Pod Insights The Tucker Carlson Show Marjorie Taylor Greene: AIPAC, NYC’s Future Mayor, and the Warmongers Trying to Undermine Trump About this episode Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene on how many of her colleagues in Congress seem loyal to a foreign power, and why that’s disgusting and immoral.
(00:00) Are US Politicians America First or Israel First?
(07:46) New York City’s Potential New Socialist Mayor
(11:51) The Biggest Threat to the United States Right Now
(19:18) The Neocons Trying to Destroy the MAGA Movement
(25:22) Why Is Tom Cotton So Deeply in Love With Death and War?
(48:55) Why Isn’t AIPAC Registered Under the Foreign Agent Registration Act?
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0:30 Tucker Carlson? What happened to you, Marjorie Taylor Greene? I was reliably informed that you were a right-wing extremist, and now I'm hearing from Mark Levin and others that you're a liberal.
0:38 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think that's what they're saying.
0:41 Tucker Carlson? So you've gotten pretty liberal?
0:44 Speaker 02 Um, no.
0:45 Tucker Carlson? No, you haven't?
0:46 Speaker 02 No, not one bit.
0:48 Tucker Carlson? But you are saying things that I've never heard you say before. Of course, we're in a different moment. We're in a moment where, you know, a lot of things that, I'll speak for myself, that I had zero interest in ever talking about, got kind of forced on us because of the wild, unbridled aggression of a few ideologues in Washington, kind of like you just can't avoid the topic.
1:10 Speaker 02 Right.
1:11 Tucker Carlson? So you are a Republican, serving in the House. Really, the only issue that all Republicans in the House agree on is that Israel is a priority over the United States.
1:23 Speaker 02 Oh, absolutely, they all agree on that.
1:25 Tucker Carlson? But you're now saying that you don't think that's true?
1:27 Speaker 02 No. As a matter of fact, I'm sticking to the campaign promises that I've made from the beginning.
1:33 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:34 Speaker 02 America first. That's what I've said the entire time.
1:37 Tucker Carlson? And you meant it, I guess.
1:39 Speaker 02 I unapologetically mean it.
1:41 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:42 Speaker 02 And apparently, that's shocking.
2:04 Speaker 02 This is so interesting, Tucker. Since I've become a member of Congress since 2021, we have voted on 22 resolutions for Israel, 22 of them, all kinds of resolutions, you know, denouncing antisemitism, supporting Israel. We voted on 22 of those. We never vote on resolutions proclaiming great things about America, or defending certain Americans, or defending Americans in general. But we have voted on 22 resolutions in the House defending Israel.
2:37 Tucker Carlson? How many have you voted yes on?
2:38 Speaker 02 I don't know my exact record. The last one I voted no on, and then the one before that I voted present, because I just started getting sick of it.
2:50 Tucker Carlson? Well, that's kind of it. I mean, I never really, I've always noticed this, certainly in the last, I don't know how many years, it's been a while, where Republicans in the Congress are always talking about Israel. I'm not against Israel, I've always liked Israel, so I don't, I haven't really noticed it. Okay, fine, you know, love Israel, love any country, you know, whatever. But it feels like something has changed, like why, clearly it has for you. What is that thing?
3:15 Speaker 02 Well, I think, here's the situation. It's coming to a point where it's so obvious all the time, in everyone's language, the social media posts they put out, the statements that they make. They have to proclaim Israel, they have to proclaim their, their faith and loyalty in Israel, and how they, you know, Israel is our greatest ally, and it's a statement that has to be made over and over and over again, to the point, it's becoming like, wait a minute, what about our own country? What about our own people? And we have so many problems here in America, and we talk about this all the time, $37 trillion in debt, just like you and I were speaking before, our kids' generations. My kids are 22, 25,
3:56 Speaker 02 and 27. And our children's generation, they can't afford rent, they can't afford to buy a house, they can't afford insurance, they can't buy a new car. They can't find a good paying job. They're living month to month paycheck to paycheck, credit card bills stacked up and they literally look to the future going, how am I ever going to realize the American dream? And it seems hopeless for them. But then in Congress, everyone is chasing and pursuing and proclaiming their loyalty to a foreign country. And my goodness, I have nothing against Israel. I wish them well. I wish the people of Israel well. I wish Jewish people well, but I also wish every country well. And I want good things for everyone.
4:36 Tucker Carlson? So why do you hate Israel so much?
4:39 Speaker 02 Right?
4:40 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
4:40 Speaker 02 But you know, here's what it is. I compare it to, it's like white guilt. You know, we've dealt with white guilt for so many years and, and it's.
4:51 Tucker Carlson? Has it worked? Has it improved anyone's life?
4:53 Speaker 02 No, no. And this is a similar thing. When in reality, everyone's lives are going to improve here in our country if we just focus on our own country. And it's really simple.
5:06 Tucker Carlson? One of my children just graduated college and I was talking to her this morning over coffee. She's got 13 friends she's moving to a major American city with. And I know, of course, I know them all. I've known them, you know, for her four years in college, great, great people. Three have jobs.
5:23 Speaker 02 Three.
5:23 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, three out of 13. Uh, you know, and it's, it's not, you know, it's like a real college. You know, pretty good college and pretty smart kids, hard to get into for sure. Um, yeah, three out of, three out of 13. And most of them are from, you know, well to do family. They'll be fine, dark of starve death or anything, but like, that's not, that's not good.
5:42 Speaker 02 No, it's ridiculous. We, we are literally failing our children.
5:46 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
5:47 Speaker 02 And, um, it's unacceptable. And it's opening the door for so many bad things in America. It's opening the door for Americans turning to voices and turning to leaders that they should never pay attention to.
6:00 Tucker Carlson? Exactly.
6:01 Speaker 02 And I'm. It disgusts me. Honestly, I turned a corner this past weekend where I'd had it. I've, I have been in four years, my first four years was under the Biden administration. And so everything I blamed on Democrats.
6:16 Tucker Carlson? Exactly.
6:17 Speaker 02 And I was absolutely repulsed and disgusted to what happened to our country over four years, just like everyone else, shocked, angry and disgusted.
6:26 Tucker Carlson? Me too.
6:26 Speaker 02 And obviously that's why we won in November.
6:29 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
6:29 Speaker 02 Oh my goodness, it was a miracle. I mean, people poured out from all walks of life, all backgrounds and came out and voted for Trump, voted for Republicans in the House, Republicans in the Senate. So we've been in power for six months and, and I was so excited in the beginning, thinking there's nothing we can't do, literally nothing we can't do. But six months in, there's literally nothing that we can do. And then we ended up bombing a foreign country. And that upset me so much. And, and I'm allowed to be upset about it. I can stand here and say-
7:03 Tucker Carlson? You are allowed?
7:04 Speaker 02 Well, no, I'm not sure if, not according to Mark Levin and not according to many others, you know, that, that prioritize another country over our country.
7:15 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, it's, it's interesting. You said a second ago that, um, when people are really frustrated when they're, the system they live under fails them, they listen to voices that they shouldn't listen to or wouldn't listen to under any other circumstance. Like how did Al Sharpton get to be the leader of Black America or whatever? I mean, it's like just, it's a thing. Desperate people tend to go to crappy leaders, I think. And I just can't get over what happened in our biggest city this week, the very same week that everybody in DC is focused thousands of miles away on the greatest threat we face, Iran's nuclear program. I want Iran to have the bomb. I'm not pro Iran.
7:48 Speaker 02 No, we're not pro Iran.
7:50 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
7:51 Speaker 02 Like, why do we have to say it?
7:52 Tucker Carlson? No, right. It's dumb.
7:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, there's the disclaimer.
7:54 Tucker Carlson? But at the same time that everybody was looking-
7:58 Tucker Carlson? To Iran, our largest city had a democratic primary, effectively the mayor's race. And a 32-year-old socialist who wants government-run grocery stores gets elected. He's going to likely run our biggest city.
8:13 Speaker 02 Yeah.
8:14 Tucker Carlson? In the country.
8:15 Speaker 02 Right, New York.
8:16 Tucker Carlson? And it's like, why did that happen? Is it because people are so desperate for government-run grocery stores? Or love socialism? Or love foreign-born midwits running their cities? Probably not. That guy was the only person in the New York City mayor's debate to say he wanted to focus on New York City. They were, all the candidates were asked, if you could visit a foreign country, what would it be? And they, of course, all had an answer. I think most said Israel. Great. And he said, I wouldn't go anywhere. I'd stay in New York. And like, if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I'd go to their synagogues, their homes, or whatever. But I'd be here in New York because that's what I'm doing. I'm running New York. That's my job.
8:52 Speaker 02 Well, he gave the right answer.
8:53 Tucker Carlson? He gave the right answer. He gave the right answer, at least. And he's talking, I totally oppose his program.
8:58 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
9:00 Tucker Carlson? I don't think it works. But he's talking about economics.
9:04 Speaker 02 Yep.
9:05 Tucker Carlson? And everyone else is talking about foreign policy. Why is it hard to talk about economics? Domestic economics?
9:11 Speaker 02 I don't know. Apparently, they don't know how to fix it. Well, look who he was running against. He's looking, I mean, the failed mayor, Andrew Cuomo. Look at him.
9:18 Tucker Carlson? Governor, yeah.
9:19 Speaker 02 Governor, or governor, yeah. Discussing sexual, all types of accusations. So he was, he was seen as the dirty establishment Democrat, right?
9:32 Tucker Carlson? Machine politician.
9:32 Speaker 02 Right, right. That really never solved anyone's problems. They already had him, and they still have the same problems. They're still poor. They can't afford life. They can't afford to move up in the world. And so they looked at Andrew Cuomo and was like, why am I going to vote for him? He's not going to make my life better.
9:47 Tucker Carlson? No, it's totally right.
9:47 Speaker 02 And so they look at this.
9:50 Speaker 02 This man who's been in our country for what, six years?
9:53 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
9:53 Speaker 02 Six years. So he's foreign born. He's a socialist and he's promising to empty the prisons and do all kinds of crazy things. And he's talking, but he's talking to them on their level and talking about, talking about the problems they are facing, relating to them with the problems they're facing. So these young people have no choice but to turn to this.
10:15 Tucker Carlson? Mike, I agree.
10:16 Speaker 02 And it's, it's, it is a failure. It is literally a failure of, of the Republican Party. I think the Republican Party has completely failed and it makes me so angry Tucker. And I can't, you know, I'm, I'm not supposed to speak out, right? I'm not supposed to have my own opinion. I'm supposed to just have blind allegiance to my party and I'm supposed to cheerlead and rah rah rah, but that's not why I ran. That's not why I ran for Congress in the first place. I literally ran because I was mad at Republicans.
10:45 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
10:46 Speaker 02 Well, I'm still mad at Republicans because it is affecting our children's lives and future and it's, it's our job to hold our elected leaders accountable. It's my job to hold my colleagues accountable. And if we don't fix these problems to the point where young people are turning to crazy socialists, it's going to get worse. It's literally going to get worse and our, it'll be gone. I, I don't think we could ever get it back.
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14:04 Tucker Carlson? Well, it's just kind of weird because Fox News tells us that the real threats are abroad or they're Iranian sleeper cells in the United States. It seems to me the real threat to the United States is the collapse of its cities, of its population centers where the most people live. I don't live in a city, don't want to live in a city because they suck.
14:22 Speaker 02 Yep.
14:23 Tucker Carlson? But in a normal country, I would live in a city and so would you.
14:27 Speaker 02 Sure.
14:28 Tucker Carlson? Of course. So I don't understand how we spent the last 25 years fighting all these wars obsessively focused on our enemies abroad, jihadis or whatever. They're telling us the threat is white supremacists under Biden and the country has not gotten better.
14:44 Speaker 02 No.
14:45 Tucker Carlson? It's like maintaining the empire has destroyed the republic. It does feel that way.
14:48 Speaker 02 Oh, 100%. But we have to look at what the struggle we're dealing with. So I think it's very interesting to look at the pattern in place. So 2016, America rose up and I was one of those little people and we rose up and turned to one man because he was different. On a stage of 17, he was 100% different than the other 16. And he spoke our language and cared about issues. We were like, oh my gosh, we've never heard a politician say this before. So we elected Trump and then President Trump went into his first administration totally unaware of what he was getting into. I mean, who could know? If you're coming from the outside, how could you know how that system works? You can't. I didn't know. And so then President Trump thought, hey, everyone's supporting me now.
15:33 Speaker 02 I won, I won the election. All Republicans should get behind me. We're all going for the same thing. But no, they stabbed him in his back. People in his administration were horrible. They threw him under the bus, allowed him to be investigated and accused of horrible things. The people stood with him, but we watched the establishment tried to beat him back. Then the election was stolen in 2020. Then January 6th happened. The establishment roared back again and tried to take back the Republican Party. Take it back and take control. The people didn't let it happen, though. The people were like, no, we are not, we do not want to go back to the neocon ways. We don't want to go back to the failures of the leadership of the Republican Party. So then we saw what happened.
16:18 Speaker 02 He, he got more powerful. They were prosecuting him. I mean, 34 indictments. They found him guilty. They tried to kill him twice. They tried, they put him in jail, giving him that iconic photo. And then we elected him again, but it's the same thing. You know what's happened? The establishment and the neocons, the ones that tell us that they're America first. Oh, we're not, we're fake MAGA, fake MAGA. They're the ones that have figured out how to dress up in, in an America first costume and put on a MAGA hat. And now they speak our language perfectly. They have the dialect down. They know the lingo and they know how to talk like us, but they're not us at all.
17:00 Speaker 02 And I think that's what we saw happen over the past week. When, when, when we bombed Iran, we saw the whole establishment rear its ugly head. And it's bigger than we could have imagined. And I think it was fully exposed. And to me, I looked at that and I went, wow, it's worse than I thought. Me too. Because you want to know something, Tucker? We only have President Trump for a few more years. And in just a few more years, we're going to have to elect another president. And we're going to all have to turn and find a new leader that will share our values and fight for them. That's going to be very hard because we're going to have to fill shoes that are very big, very difficult to feel, to fill.
17:44 Speaker 02 And we've had President Trump now for all these years. And so many people are going to be disappointed because you're not going to have another Trump. There's not going to be one. And I think it's the most dangerous time for people like us that truly care about our country, love our children and want to fix the problem so that their lives can be better. And I think we're going to face a real fight within our party to make sure that it, that we are pushing the focus to focus on America, focus on our problems and just let the world do its thing. We can have great trade deals. We can do all these things, but it's going to be very hard to push that system in place because I, I really think in the past week, I realized.
18:26 Speaker 02 That that's not who they are. They said it on the campaign trail. They they promised it when they got elected and a whole bunch of others, the talking heads on TV. They all pretended. But in the past week, I was like, nope. It's that's it's not real.
18:42 Tucker Carlson? Yeah. So the question is, do the people who really do care about the United States give up and leave? You know, the party, the movement? Or not? I mean, New York City was built by, you know, hardworking, sober, Christian people, and they built this amazing city. And then, of course, they all left because it became chaotic, starting in the 60s. And they're all gone. That's that's why you get the election results you do. They just ran away. And they moved to the suburbs, or Montana, or wherever. They have a tendency, productive people have a tendency to do that. They don't stay and fight. They do like, I don't want to deal with this. I'm out.
19:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, they don't have to stay in the fight.
19:22 Tucker Carlson? Well, that's true. But do you see that happen with America first? Like, in five years, people are gonna be like, you know, when Mark Levin and Laura Lumer built America first with Tom Cotton, Lindsey Graham?
19:35 Speaker 02 Right.
19:36 Tucker Carlson? Like, you know, the heroes of the movement.
19:39 Speaker 02 Right.
19:39 Tucker Carlson? Like, the Soviets redefined the Bolshevik Revolution to make, you know, Stalin the head of it.
19:44 Speaker 02 Oh, totally.
19:44 Tucker Carlson? You know what I mean?
19:45 Speaker 02 I mean, Laura Lumer is America first.
19:49 Speaker 02 Except Israel first.
19:50 Tucker Carlson? But can you, is that gonna happen? Do you think that people who really think that we, you know, we need a government that focuses on the country it represents, will those people stick around and say, no, I'm sorry, you can't, I don't, I can see through your skin suit. I know who you are. This, this is all fake. You can't use my government, my military, to, you know, to prosecute these silly sectarian wars anymore.
20:17 Speaker 02 Right. I don't know. I'm gonna be really honest. I don't know. I think it goes one of two ways.
20:21 Tucker Carlson? They can kick you out, then I think we'll know the answer.
20:24 Speaker 02 Oh, for sure. They would love to. They're already trying to. I've had, I had three reporters, literally, was it yesterday? I think it was yesterday. Three reporters, one from Punchbowl, one from Axios, and one from the Wall Street Journal.
20:41 Speaker 02 And I know who they're, they're connected to people and they came, they came and they were asking me the same stupid questions, trying to make this like she's, she's betrayed Trump. She's, she's broken up with Trump. She's turned her back on him, which couldn't be further from the truth, but they're setting the stage because they want these headlines, right?
20:59 Tucker Carlson? So the Wall Street Journal is now kind of looking out for Trump.
21:01 Speaker 02 Oh, totally. Yeah.
21:03 Tucker Carlson? Just enforcing loyalty in the Trump ranks?
21:06 Speaker 02 Yes. Yeah. And punch bowl, obviously.
21:09 Tucker Carlson? They're very concerned.
21:11 Speaker 02 Yeah.
21:11 Tucker Carlson? I don't want to see any leaking or disloyalty against Donald Trump.
21:14 Speaker 02 Those are MAGA publications, let me tell you.
21:17 Tucker Carlson? This is too funny. It's, it's too unbelievable.
21:20 Speaker 02 But it's so, it's so predictable.
21:23 Tucker Carlson? I know. But I do think you're, and one of the reasons I'm so grateful that you flew all the way from your real job to come see us is that, uh, I think it's important to know whether you're gonna fight for the movement that you've been in since 2016 and are really identified with. When you got to Congress, you were so for Trump and his ideas that your own party tried to expel you from the Congress.
21:50 Speaker 02 Exactly.
21:52 Tucker Carlson? They hated Trump.
21:53 Speaker 02 Oh, they hate, they still hate him. I serve with so many people that hate his guts, hate him, hate him.
22:02 Tucker Carlson? That's amazing.
22:03 Speaker 02 Yeah. And I have argued with them so many times. I, I'm like, I love him. I love the man. I, I don't care about his flaws, whatever. I love him. I love his fight. I love his passion. I love the fact that you cannot beat him. He will beat anybody and he will not give up. And that's what I love about President Trump.
22:22 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
22:23 Speaker 02 But I serve with people that hate him. And right now they're having to do the dance. They have to play the game. They, they have to say the words and they're all pretending. They're literally pretending and they can't wait. To them, right now, President Trump is a speed bump. They just have to get past that speed bump because and then they will. It's only a few years away. They just have to play the game long enough and do the deed and not get a Truth Social put out on them.
22:51 Tucker Carlson? Right.
22:51 Speaker 02 Or have him, you know, primary them or primary or, you know, endorse an opponent against them. They have to do that. And then after that, it's going to be back to business as usual. Because you wouldn't believe it, like the bills that we're putting together, the lobbyists that are coming in, tucking in what they want, big donors, oh my goodness, the donors that came on board in this last election, new donors, totally different donors than we've ever had before. These big like, like the AI tech bros, cryptos come around, there's a whole circle of donors that have all come around. Those aren't the only ones. And then you always have the military industrial complex.
23:29 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
23:30 Speaker 02 All of them have come around and they're demanding their little things. And they, and that's what they have all tried to tuck in to the one big beautiful bill. So it's, it's, it's business as usual in Washington.
23:43 Tucker Carlson? It's always been that way to some extent, of course, always. What I find different from what I thought it was anyway, is this, is this obsessive love of violence.
23:56 Speaker 02 Mm hmm.
23:57 Tucker Carlson? That like Tom Cotton, you know, you could have dinner with him and disagree on anything. But if you raise a voice against bombing people, like Tom Cotton is upset, like he wants to be able to kill people, period.
24:11 Speaker 02 Ah, yeah, I know a lot of my colleagues want to kill people.
24:13 Tucker Carlson? What is that?
24:14 Speaker 02 I, it's, I think it's a darkness. It's, we're a country, think about, think about our culture. Ever since I was a little kid, we had movies that we saw movies where Russia's the bad guy and our, the hero in the story defeats the bad Russian. Or there's a war movie where we defeat Russia or China, it's whoever the bad guy is.
24:36 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
24:37 Speaker 02 And then the movies where we had war movies of defeating Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, all these movies. And we've grown up with Hollywood telling us who the foreign bad guys are.
24:49 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
24:50 Speaker 02 And making these people our complete enemies and never humanizing them. And so, yes, and there's just this. Obsession with war and killing and murder.
25:01 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
25:01 Speaker 02 And that is, that is sick. It's sick that America is cheering that we, that we bombed another country. Now, okay, let's look at that. Yes, Iran is, they sponsor terrorism. They have killed our military, but our military never belonged over in the Middle East in the first place.
25:19 Tucker Carlson? Of course.
25:19 Speaker 02 I'll argue that all day long. But however, when, when people that hold power in Washington DC, like I do, but everyone I work with is just over the top excited that we may be going to war to kill people. They, they never, they never think about the innocent people or they don't care about the innocent people.
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27:40 Tucker Carlson? I have noticed there's a connection between the internal weakness in a person and enthusiasm for killing. So I've always wondered like, why is it the people with the weirdest, most unhappy, personal lives? And I don't, you know, I'm really trying not to be mean, so I'm gonna like, not use names, but boy, I know a lot of them, just living there my whole life. They're the most enthusiastic about exerting force on other people, including like children and villagers and stuff. It's like really dark, but it makes them feel powerful. Like you almost never see a strong man get excited about killing.
28:16 Speaker 02 No.
28:16 Tucker Carlson? You see strong men who kill, but they always have mixed feelings about it. I had to do it, you know, but...
28:21 Speaker 02 Yeah, or were ordered to do it.
28:23 Tucker Carlson? Ordered to do it.
28:24 Speaker 02 I met just this morning with one of my counties. They came up to, to visit me and so we had this great breakfast and, and met with everybody there. And, and two different groups that were in the big group were veterans groups. And they were literally telling me this morning about how many veterans they are working with that live with the horrors in their mind of what they did, kicking in doors, going into some family's home, searching for enemies and terrorists. And, uh, you know, some of them killed the father of the family in front of their children. These are the horrors that our brothers, cousins, uncles, fathers, friends, live with
29:07 Speaker 02 for the rest of their life and they cannot function, they cannot have a normal life, their, their marriages fall apart, they turn to drugs and alcoholism, they can't keep a job and they, this is what it has done to them. So Tucker, I totally agree with you. I don't know what is wrong with America that anybody cheers that on.
29:27 Tucker Carlson? The two issues that people are completely unreasonable about, literally unreasonable, reason doesn't enter into it, it's just such strong emotion that it'll end friendships, or start friendships.
29:39 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
29:39 Tucker Carlson? All of a sudden, you have Bill Kristol praising the Trump administration, uh, are war and abortion.
29:45 Speaker 02 Yeah.
29:47 Tucker Carlson? And it's the power that people feel when they kill is the, I think it's the most alluring power there is, more powerful than sex, more powerful than money. Being able to take a life makes you feel like God, and for a lot of people like Lindsey Graham, it compensates for a hollowness inside, a lack of a successful life, no family, etc., whatever, I don't want to be Freud here, but it's, it's the weakest people who are the most excited to take a life. Have you, I just can't get past it.
30:19 Speaker 02 I think that's, I think that's accurate. Yes, I would say that's accurate. I would just also say, what is wrong with our culture? How did we get to this place? Because honestly, okay, it doesn't matter what country it is in the world, those people are responsible for their government. If they want to tear it down, they will tear it down. I mean, that's a historical fact. Any group of people, if they hate their government enough, they will tear it down. So if Iran wants, if those people want to tear down their government, God bless them, let them do it. But it's not our job to do it. Now, Israel wants it to be our job.
30:56 Tucker Carlson? Of course.
30:57 Speaker 02 They want regime change.
30:58 Tucker Carlson? Yep.
30:59 Speaker 02 And they are, that is their goal, and that's why we're seeing propaganda back on the news, that now Iran is months away from having a nuclear weapon, rebuilding their program and having a nuclear weapon, because we have to go right back to it. They've been saying that since the 1990s, so they have to say it again, over and over and over again. But that's what they want, and they want America to be drug into it. I gotta tell you, it was the coolest thing this past week, when I took a really hard stance, and I said, "I'm totally against this. This is literally what we campaigned on not doing, and here we're doing the thing we said we wouldn't do." Like, why, why are we doing the thing we said we wouldn't do?
31:35 Tucker Carlson? Oh, shut up, Marjorie, just go along with it.
31:38 Speaker 02 That's what I was told.
31:39 Tucker Carlson? Oh, I bet.
31:40 Speaker 02 Yeah.
31:41 Tucker Carlson? I bet you were.
31:42 Speaker 02 Literally, shut up, Marjorie.
31:45 Speaker 02 I get that a lot, but no, here, this is what I, this was so crazy to me. We're doing the thing that we said we wouldn't do, and when I spoke out against it, it was, it was like just what you described, two sides raging, raging on the issue. The one side that was like, yes, we are, we will defend Israel, we will defend them no matter what, against anyone, we'll send our children to die for them, we will, we will, we'll take all the nuclear bombs upon ourself before we let anything happen to Israel. So we had that whole side and war, war, war.
32:22 Tucker Carlson? What is that?
32:23 Speaker 02 I don't know. I don't know. And then we had the whole other side, which was all these people that came out of the woodwork from all, all over the place, Democrats, liberals, progressives, Republicans, MAGA, America First flooding in and, and it was an all range of things is, you know, the MAGA and America First people was like, I agree with MTG, she's right. And then you've got the people on the left are going, oh my God, what is happening to me? This is the end of the world. I'm agreeing with MTG. Like they're doing mental gymnastics that because they're agreeing with me. And it was hilarious, but they're flooding my office with phone calls agreeing with me. And I'm sitting here going, hey,
33:04 Speaker 02 hey, Republicans, remember we said we weren't going to do this? Imagine how much support we could have if we stuck with it. Like if we actually stuck with what we said and actually meant it, because now there's a lot of people that feel betrayed that we didn't stick with that.
33:20 Tucker Carlson? I know.
33:20 Speaker 02 And, and that's not what President Trump wants. Absolutely. That's not what he wants. You know, he's in, and I have to, I have to give him all the praise and credit. He bombed them and then he pulled out. Thank God. And I loved it when he dropped the F-bomb, talking to the press and he was telling, he was like, both of them have gone crazy. I was so, that was, I was like, inject this in my veins right now. This is exactly what I want to hear. But it was the two major reactions that, that blew my mind, absolutely blew my mind.
33:54 Tucker Carlson? I'm not entirely surprised. I've seen that. Um, it is a kind of weird feeling to be praised by people you disagree with on everything or think you disagree with them. Like, I, who knows? I don't know. Everything is kind of up for grabs. I'm against killing people.
34:07 Speaker 02 Yeah.
34:08 Tucker Carlson? Innocence. I'm just opposed. I'm totally opposed to abortion. I think euthanasia is one of the worst thing, most evil things I can think of.
34:15 Speaker 02 Me too, I agree.
34:16 Tucker Carlson? And I think wars of choice are really evil. That's my view.
34:22 Speaker 02 Yep.
34:22 Tucker Carlson? But what's interesting, and I feel that instinctively, but I also feel it, I feel like theologically, that's correct, I guess, like, what do I know? But I feel it. But you represent a district in Georgia that's very heavily Protestant Christian. I'm Protestant Christian. You are too.
34:40 Speaker 02 Yep.
34:41 Tucker Carlson? And there is a feeling among a lot of Protestant Christians, non-main line, what we call evangelicals, I guess is the term they use, that we have a moral obligation to support the secular government of Israel. That God tells us that we have to fight these wars for the secular government of Israel, not for the ancient nation of Israel, or the Jewish people, but for the secular government.
35:04 Speaker 02 That, that, that supports abortion and, and supports LGBTQ and trans and...
35:11 Tucker Carlson? So, two questions. One, what kind of reaction have you gotten from those voters? Many of whom are like, some of the best people I know. I just want to say that.
35:19 Speaker 02 Oh, they're great.
35:20 Tucker Carlson? They're great, and they're all your fans. But what kind of reaction have you gotten from them? And second, what, where does that come from, that belief?
35:30 Speaker 02 I think, I'm sure some of them are mad at me right now. I can totally expect that and understand it, and I'm sure we'll work it out. That's, that's something I do know. I don't know where, I don't know where it comes from. I think, to me, what I've witnessed, just, you know, from my opinion, it is embedded in our education system. We're taught all these things. We're, of course, taught about the Holocaust, taught about the nation of Israel. It's, it's embedded in our education, but it's also embedded in church. It's embedded in church. And, and they take that verse back in, I guess it's Genesis.
36:06 Tucker Carlson? Genesis 12.
36:07 Speaker 02 Genesis 12, "Bless those who bless you, and I will curse those who curse you."
36:12 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, there's, in the... I checked the other day because I had this interesting conversation with Ted Cruz, who said his theology was based on that verse. He had no idea where in the Bible it was and couldn't describe really what it meant. But that's his theology. Try not to be disrespectful, though I have no respect for it, I just want to say. But anyway, I looked at the, in my Bible, I checked two different translations. There's no word Israel in there. I don't know quite know, I don't know enough to know what he's really talking about, but
36:37 Speaker 02 Right.
36:38 Tucker Carlson? but that's very common for kids in Sunday school to be taught.
36:40 Speaker 02 It's used in Sunday school and it's used in Bible studies and it's related to the end times. I've done, I've done those Bible study groups. It is very much tied into Revelations and they walk all the way through. They tie it in with the covenant. They tie it in all the way. And look, I'm not going to pretend I'm a Bible scholar. I'm not going to pretend that I know everything. As a matter of fact, I'll sit way back in the back. I know who I am. I know I'm a sinner and I'm not going to try to tell everybody what they should believe. But I've read my Bible. I grew up Catholic and then I didn't like the pedophile priest issue, didn't want to raise my children in that. So I left the church and I'm just a Christian, just a simple Christian. And I've
37:25 Speaker 02 read my Bible. And the one thing I know is it says a lot of other things in there. It says, "Do not murder." That's pretty important.
37:33 Tucker Carlson? Sure does.
37:34 Speaker 02 Yeah.
37:34 Tucker Carlson? Someone hits you in the face, turn the other cheek. If someone takes your cloak, you know, give them the rest of your clothes. I mean, that's like, that's from Jesus. So Christians care above all what Jesus says, I think.
37:46 Speaker 02 I do.
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39:15 Tucker Carlson? How have we gotten to the point where you have sincere Christians who I think I probably agree with on everything, certainly most things, who people I love would be delighted to have dinner with? I mean, no disrespect at all to them. But how do we get to a point where good people like that are making the case that Jesus wants more bombing? I don't... What is that?
39:38 Speaker 02 Well, also look at Jesus himself. Who was... He was persecuted in his lifetime by the leaders of Israel, the leaders at the temple. He was persecuted by his own people's leaders. And that's something to recognize. And all of the prophets throughout the Old Testament, who were they persecuted and killed by? The leaders of their day. It's throughout the entire Bible. So it's not uncommon that this would be happening. And here's what I find interesting. I don't think, well, America, if you've read Revelations, is not in Revelations.
40:20 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
40:20 Speaker 02 And nobody wants to talk about that. And we need to say, why is America not in Revelations? And I think we could come up with all kinds of theories, but I know for a fact it's not in there, because I've read that part too.
40:32 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, I don't think John was aware in his cave on Patmos of the United States of America.
40:38 Speaker 02 Well, and when he was given that entire vision and shown all of that, he wasn't shown America. So there's a clear reason, and we don't know why, but I think back to this story is Americans have been taught that they have to do whatever Israel says, and it's the secular government of Israel. The secular government should not be telling Christians in America what they should and shouldn't do with their tax dollars, with their military, and with who their allegiance should go to.
41:11 Tucker Carlson? Boy, I got a lecture on Christian theology of the day from David Friedman, the former Trump ambassador to Israel, and I was like, not against David Friedman, seemed smart, but like, seemed a little much to be giving me a lecture about Christian theology.
41:23 Speaker 02 Well, and also this, here's something else we have to recognize with people that are like mad at me or mad at you about saying these things, we need to recog- they need to think about this too, is like, hey, we all live in this house, it's called the United States of America, this is our house, and if we are giving our full allegiance to another foreign country who doesn't pay our taxes, will not pay off our debt, did not come and defend our southern border when it was invaded for four years straight, when it, when its prime minister Netanyahu was the first to congratulate Joe Biden, being president of the United States, he was the first foreign leader. I, I don't understand-
42:04 Tucker Carlson? A country that has longstanding military ties to China.
42:07 Speaker 02 Yeah, there's that.
42:09 Tucker Carlson? Which runs the port of Haifa. I don't, I, I mean, I'm not attack, look, Israel's doing what it thinks it needs to do. I just want to say for the 50th time, I'm not especially mad at Israel.
42:18 Speaker 02 Not mad at Israel.
42:19 Tucker Carlson? I'm mad at our leaders who don't seem to care about the United States. I think that's it.
42:25 Speaker 02 And that's the problem. And that's where we are. We have this house, it's our house, the United States of America, and our elected leaders are not fully focused on our house and our problem with our children and their future. And that's why we are opening the door wide open to foreigners that have moved to the United States of America and profess insane socialist and communist views, and they are going to get elected. There's another one running against Nancy Pelosi. AOC's former campaign manager and chief of staff, and he sounds just like that mayor in New York, and he is a Democrat primaring Nancy Pelosi. So this whole thing is going to, the left is going to go in a whole nother direction
43:09 Speaker 02 because Republicans who professed America first are not solving the problems for our house.
43:15 Tucker Carlson? And Republicans refuse to talk about economics, like actual economics, not bullshit economics, GDP and tax cuts, but actually like, it's too expensive for my kids to buy a house. What are you doing about that?
43:26 Speaker 02 Right.
43:27 Tucker Carlson? And the answer is absolutely nothing, other than yelling, you're a socialist. I'm not insecure about being a socialist. I don't really care what people call me. But that is a much bigger problem than anything Iran is cooking up in its centrifuges, as far as I'm concerned. Certainly a bigger problem for everyone I know. My kids can't buy a house, therefore they can't get married and have kids.
43:49 Speaker 02 Right. So think about this. Last week, our kids were just thinking about, I can't afford to buy a house. Where am I going to get a good job? All my friends can't find a good job. A lot of young women that are conservative are like, where am I going to find a good man? A lot of conservative young men are like, where can I find a decent young woman to marry? Because many of them are insane, have turned leftwards, so far left.
44:11 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
44:11 Speaker 02 So last week-
44:12 Tucker Carlson? Thirty-seven sexual partners, which, sorry, people are starting into it. You know, who's into that?
44:18 Speaker 02 Not I. So there's all the, but think about it. Last week, they were thinking about all their other problems that they already have, but they weren't thinking about, do I have to worry about a terrorist attack happening here in the United States? Fast forward to this week, now it's like, oh my gosh, not only is life unaffordable and all these unknowns and all these problems I have, and my credit card debt is, my credit cards are maxed out, and I can't go on vacation, and I want to go with my friends, and I want to go to this concert, but I can't afford it. But now they have to think about, oh, if I do go to that concert, there could be a terrorist attack because we bombed Iran. It's like a whole nother, a whole nother set of problems. And so of course, when this guy that's running for mayor of New York City,
45:01 Speaker 02 iconic New York City, is talking to New Yorkers, and he says on the debate stage, when he's asked, what foreign country do you want to go visit? And the rest of them are saying Israel, and he says, I don't want to go. I just want to stay here in New York. Of course, they're going to listen to him.
45:18 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, I listen to him and I, I don't want to be mayor of New York at all. I, I think it's so important that someone responsible and reasonable and American runs New York. But I guess in general, I just resent, I resent importing foreign conflicts into our country, ancient race hatreds, religious ethnic hatreds. What, what does that have to do with us? And I feel like we've definitely wholesale imported that. I get texts all the time from, you know, some people I like, but you know, Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, telling me about some fight in US or Canada between different Muslim or Hindu groups. And I'm not against any of them. I like them all. I'm not.
46:00 Speaker 02 Sure.
46:01 Tucker Carlson? But what does that have to do with North America?
46:04 Speaker 02 Nothing.
46:05 Tucker Carlson? So why did we, other countries don't put up with that. You try that in the UAE.
46:09 Speaker 02 Yeah.
46:09 Tucker Carlson? You're some, this happened. You're some Pakistani worker building office buildings in the Gulf and you like have a march through downtown Abu Dhabi saying, I'm, you know, I'm mad at India. They're like, you're out on the first flight.
46:24 Speaker 02 Right.
46:25 Tucker Carlson? Back to Lahore.
46:26 Speaker 02 Burning their flag.
46:27 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, nothing personal.
46:28 Speaker 02 Yeah. If they're out, if you're out there burning their Indian flag, I'd love to see what happens to you. Yeah.
46:33 Tucker Carlson? Well, they, I mean, the attitude of the Emirati government is that is nothing to do, don't bring that shit here.
46:40 Speaker 02 Right.
46:40 Tucker Carlson? Even if we're on your side. I mean, you know what I mean?
46:43 Speaker 02 Right. Yes. 100%.
46:46 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
46:46 Speaker 02 But okay, so in Congress, we have, I think it's 32 members of Congress are foreign born, not born in the United States.
46:55 Tucker Carlson? Really?
46:55 Speaker 02 32. I serve with them. 32.
46:59 Tucker Carlson? Well, I was surprised to learn that Ted Cruz is not American. He's like a secret Canadian?
47:05 Speaker 02 He's from Canada, not Texas. Yeah.
47:09 Tucker Carlson? So Canada, does it border Texas?
47:12 Speaker 02 I don't think so. Not on the map I saw.
47:16 Tucker Carlson? So what is it? I've been, I'm, it feels weird even to ask you because I've spent so many decades studiously ignoring this issue. I don't want to engage. I think it's weird. It's always bothered me, but I don't want to talk about it because I don't want to fight about it. But it's been pushed, you can't ignore it, and you brought it up. What, why are almost every single, every single Republican I'm aware of, other than you and maybe Massey, is like in this weird kind of Israel worship mode all the time? And many Democrats, by the way, Pelosi, chief among them.
47:52 Speaker 02 When, when, so when a candidate, when some, a candidate steps forward and they're running for Congress, they get approached by all kinds of groups, all the special issue groups, everything from pro-life groups to pro-gun groups, to Christian groups, and there's a group called AIPAC, and they come too. And so everybody, they'll have a form, a survey form for you to fill out. Each group has a survey form because they want to know where you are on the issues, which I think is a good thing. I think second amendment groups need to know, hey, are you going to take away my gun rights? I, I think that's the right thing to be asking candidates. Pro-life groups, are you going to go to Washington and vote to kill babies? Like, we want to know who you are. I think that's great.
48:34 Speaker 02 Well, there's a group called AIPAC, and they come and they want to know what's your position on Israel? And they want you to write a paper, and they want to know, they want to feel you out on your position on Israel. And then if you get elected to Congress, if you win your race, everyone's freshman year, AIPAC will take Republicans and Democrats, new members, on a special trip to Israel.
48:58 Tucker Carlson? Do they pay for it?
49:00 Speaker 02 I don't know. I don't know because they didn't take me. They didn't take me.
49:04 Tucker Carlson? Were you the only one in your class who didn't go?
49:06 Speaker 02 I think I'm the only one in my class that did not get invited. I didn't even get invited. It wasn't that I turned it down, I didn't even get invited. And I'm not anti-Semitic. I have, again, I wish Israel the best. I wish them all the best. I wish everybody the best, but they didn't take me on the trip.
49:25 Tucker Carlson? I do too.
49:26 Speaker 02 Yeah. I mean, but they didn't take me on the trip, so I don't know if it's, they pay for it, but I should find that out because I think that's important. But here's the situation, and I, it's, it can't be ignored, and I have no problem talking about it. I think any special interest group, if they are representing another country, a foreign country, they have to register that way.
49:48 Tucker Carlson? Under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, FARA.
49:51 Speaker 02 We have a law. Yes, they should register under that law. And I think, and they're Americans, are members of AIPAC. They're members, they donate to it.
50:02 Tucker Carlson? Sure.
50:02 Speaker 02 But if you're still an American, and you were representing the, the interest of any foreign country, you still have to register.
50:10 Tucker Carlson? Paul Manafort's an American. He's from Connecticut. He's from like Meriden, Connecticut, or something. Weathersfield, Connecticut. He's from Connecticut.
50:17 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
50:18 Tucker Carlson? And he was convicted as an American for not registering as a foreign agent, as a foreign lobbyist. So, I mean, the argument that it's Americans doing the lobbying, that's the point. Americans who are lobbying on behalf of a foreign country have to register.
50:33 Speaker 02 Absolutely.
50:33 Tucker Carlson? Doesn't mean they can't lobby. It's just, it's fair to have them register.
50:36 Speaker 02 Yes. So-
50:38 Tucker Carlson? So why isn't AIPAC registered, why aren't they registered under FARA? I don't understand that.
50:45 Speaker 02 I think everybody's too afraid to push that issue.
50:48 Tucker Carlson? Why?
50:49 Speaker 02 I, Tucker, I have no idea. Because that is, I think it's because it's such a strong group that will come against you. They will come against you, they will fund a primary against you. I'll probably get a primary funded against me for even saying this on this show. But, you know what? I don't care.
51:06 Tucker Carlson? I think you were getting one anyway.
51:07 Speaker 02 Oh, sure. I'm probably getting one. And that's fine. And my district can vote for whoever they want to represent them. They can.
51:17 Tucker Carlson? It's just funny. It's like you and Massey are the only member, and the whole class, Republicans, the majority of the House of Representatives.
51:24 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
51:25 Tucker Carlson? Majority of 435.
51:27 Speaker 02 Yeah, both sides.
51:28 Tucker Carlson? Well, 535 with the Senate. I still think you and Massey are the only ones who've ever said anything like this.
51:33 Speaker 02 Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure we're the only ones. We're not the only ones that think it, but we're the only ones that say it.
51:40 Tucker Carlson? So that's my next question.
51:41 Speaker 02 But it's not anti-Semitic to say it.
51:43 Tucker Carlson? Well, obviously. That's silly.
51:44 Speaker 02 Because if I had a group coming to me and, and saying, "We really want to make sure that you're voting to fund, um, uh, 3.3 billion dollars, you know, every single year to, uh, whatever."
51:58 Tucker Carlson? Switzerland.
51:58 Speaker 02 Switzerland. Exactly.
52:01 Speaker 02 That would be the same thing.
52:03 Tucker Carlson? I love Switzerland. I have ancestors who came from Switzerland. And I go a lot. It's just an amazing country. I couldn't support it more. I wish Switzerland well, as I wish Israel well. But if there were, maybe there is, a Swiss lobby. I would, it probably is, I'm sure there is.
52:21 Speaker 02 There's every kind of lobby.
52:22 Tucker Carlson? Right. I'm not, they don't need the help, I guess, but I would, neither is Israel, really, but I would expect them to register under the law.
52:31 Speaker 02 Of course, and they probably have.
52:33 Tucker Carlson? And I wouldn't be an anti-Swiss bigot.
52:34 Speaker 02 No.
52:35 Tucker Carlson? For saying otherwise. So I guess I don't really want to play along, but I'm wondering, this is all so very obvious and so rational and so, so relevant right now.
52:47 Tucker Carlson? Does anybody ever mention this in the Congress? You've been there for a while?
52:51 Speaker 02 No, they have their blind faith and loyalty. Blind faith and loyalty, and they're scared to say it.
52:58 Tucker Carlson? What about the guy who showed up in a foreign military uniform?
53:03 Speaker 02 Zelensky.
53:04 Tucker Carlson? Well, there's that. They worship, by the way, I just want to be clear, it's not just Israel that they worship, they also worship Zelensky.
53:10 Speaker 02 Oh, they worship him. Oh my goodness, they worship him.
53:13 Tucker Carlson? That's a clear.
53:14 Speaker 02 But you should see the propaganda. I could go for days on that one. You know, I went hard against that war. That war started and, and it wasn't a month after that war started, and we had Ukrainian soldiers in their uniforms, injured Ukrainian soldiers on crutches.
53:30 Tucker Carlson? Tight-fitting uniforms, because a lot of this is.
53:33 Speaker 02 Limping through the halls of Congress, going and visiting our offices, begging for help, we need help. Hitler is going to come and take our country and steamroll across Europe, Vladimir Putin. But that's what they, that was the thing. But, so we get, the propaganda that comes through the halls of Congress is incredible. It's incredible.
53:56 Tucker Carlson? But do you ever sit in the, you know, in the house and ever have someone say, "We're voting on our 22nd Israel resolution"? Like, this is a lot, actually.
54:07 Speaker 02 I did, finally.
54:08 Tucker Carlson? But does anybody ever say, "Again"?
54:10 Speaker 02 No.
54:11 Tucker Carlson? We have a country too. 350 million people live here.
54:14 Speaker 02 No.
54:14 Tucker Carlson? No one ever says that.
54:15 Speaker 02 No.
54:16 Tucker Carlson? So Nancy Mace is like, she's just excited to vote for another...
54:18 Speaker 02 Yes. Yes. Yes.
54:21 Tucker Carlson? So it's not just, everyone talks about AIPAC. I've already said, I think they should, of course they should register under fair, it's a foreign lobby.
54:27 Speaker 02 It's common sense.
54:28 Tucker Carlson? Not attacking them.
54:29 Speaker 02 It's not even saying anything bad about them. They just should be registered.
54:32 Tucker Carlson? It's insulting, of course.
54:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, they can continue doing...
54:34 Tucker Carlson? That everyone's afraid to say that. You shouldn't be afraid.
54:36 Speaker 02 No.
54:36 Tucker Carlson? But it's not just, there's something, like, what is this? This, I think, is the weirdest thing. Brian Mast shows up in an IDF uniform in the Congress? I don't know Brian Mast. I'm sure he's a delightful person, but like, are you allowed to show up in a foreign military uniform in the Congress?
54:54 Speaker 02 I don't think it's, I don't, it's like waving a foreign flag on the floor.
54:58 Tucker Carlson? But they're all over the place.
54:59 Speaker 02 But he served in the, he served over there in the IDF, yeah.
55:04 Tucker Carlson? How can you, how can an American serve in a foreign military and keep his citizenship?
55:09 Speaker 02 I have no idea. It's the same thing as how can foreign-born people serve and be members of Congress? I, I don't understand how that happens.
55:17 Tucker Carlson? But serving in a foreign military, that's pretty serious.
55:19 Speaker 02 Yes. Giving your, you swear an oath and you swear your allegiance to fight and die for that country. You're saying, "I'm willing to die for this country", but then you can serve in our country's Congress.
55:33 Tucker Carlson? I mean, but how can you remain a citizen? If I go and serve in the Russian army, I assume...
55:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
55:40 Tucker Carlson? I have no plans to, I'm not Russian.
55:42 Speaker 02 No.
55:43 Tucker Carlson? I don't want to, but if I did, I think people would say, fairly, like, "How can you be an American? Don't you forfeit your citizenship by doing that?"
55:51 Speaker 02 People would say, they definitely would go.
55:54 Tucker Carlson? Well, of course, I'd go to jail for it.
55:55 Speaker 02 Yeah. Well, the New York Post mocked me and called me Moscow Marjorie and put it on their front page because I didn't want to vote to fund Ukraine, so clearly...
56:04 Tucker Carlson? Moscow Marjorie?
56:05 Speaker 02 Yeah, Moscow Marjorie, yeah.
56:07 Tucker Carlson? Funny, the New York, any Murdoch publication is just... Agnostic on most things, but really pro-war.
56:15 Speaker 02 Oh, they love war?
56:16 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
56:17 Speaker 02 Well, they love it. It helps their ratings. It keeps all the baby boomers glued to the television.
56:22 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
56:23 Speaker 02 24 hours a day because they're terrified that bombs are going to fall on America. Something terrible is going to happen. You have to keep up with it. Funniest thing to me, Tucker, was how come? Okay, look, our country funded that war in Ukraine, funded it. And our, and our military leaders ran that war. They have been all about that war. We fund, we fund their government. We fund their retirement. We have funded their small businesses. We, the American people tragically have kept Ukraine afloat. But how come we couldn't watch that war on television? And I say that sarcastically because I think it's ridiculous. We could watch the, the Israel and Iran launching bombs at each other
57:05 Speaker 02 and exploding in their cities and people's reactions and the non-stop commentary and counting missiles and how many missiles they shot down. But we never saw that with Ukraine and Russia. And I want to know why? Why didn't we see that?
57:19 Tucker Carlson? Well, now we don't see it. I asked a bunch of members of Congress, including the Speaker of the House. Disgraceful person, in my opinion. Um, Mike Johnson, but you know, so you funded this war with billions of our dollars. We're bankrupt, but you're paying for this war because you love the Ukrainians so much. How many Ukrainians have died?
57:38 Tucker Carlson? No clue. Not interested. They're not interested. Really? You're funding the war because you love the Ukrainians, but you're not even keeping track of how many of its young men have died or now middle-aged men have died?
57:50 Speaker 02 How many fathers, how many brothers?
57:51 Tucker Carlson? How many people with Down's Syndrome? How many Ukrainians with Down's Syndrome were pulled off the street and sent to go die in a war that you're paying for? I don't care.
57:59 Speaker 02 No.
57:59 Tucker Carlson? That's what I thought. You know, I'm kind of, I'm kind of out.
58:02 Speaker 02 Oh, totally out on that. But it is, it's, it's an interesting comparison. Why can you watch one on TV and you can't watch the other one on TV? And I don't know the answer to that.
58:11 Tucker Carlson? You should be able to watch whatever you want on TV, right?
58:13 Speaker 02 Supposedly.
58:14 Tucker Carlson? Pull up pornography on your iPhone. You probably should be able to watch a war that you're paying for.
58:19 Speaker 02 Right. But isn't that, isn't that just like? Why is that? Why do Americans have to be shown that Israel is about to be annihilated? And what are the consequences of that to America if Israel is annihilated? No, wait, let's say it like this. Nuclear armed Israel. Why do we have to be shown on TV 24 hours a day? Nuclear armed Israel being bombed and attacked? And why do we have to be? Why do we have to be fed that? When we're not fed that about any other war anywhere else?
58:54 Tucker Carlson? Being manipulated, that's why.
58:55 Speaker 02 Yes.
58:56 Tucker Carlson? Why all the flags, the foreign flags in the Congress? I was just up there last week and every member has a foreign flag. Not every member, but a lot of them, the Republicans, all have Israeli flags, which I personally think is a beautiful flag. I'm not opposed to the flag.
59:12 Speaker 02 No.
59:13 Tucker Carlson? But when I was a kid, if you would, I mean, I went to Congress when I was a kid. There are no foreign flags. It's the, it's the United States Capitol. It's the capital of our country.
59:22 Speaker 02 It's the capital of the United States of America.
59:24 Tucker Carlson? What, do you have one? A foreign flag?
59:26 Speaker 02 My job title is representative.
59:29 Tucker Carlson? Right.
59:30 Speaker 02 I don't wear foreign flags. I wear the American flag.
59:33 Tucker Carlson? So, but you're one of the only ones who doesn't wear a foreign flag?
59:37 Speaker 02 Not many don't wear foreign flags. Yes, that's correct. Or no, they'll wear a pin that will have the American flag and the Israel flag together. And there were, there's also pins that have the American flag and the Ukraine flag together.
59:52 Tucker Carlson? Are they the same country?
59:53 Speaker 02 No.
59:55 Tucker Carlson? Okay.
59:56 Speaker 02 Contrary to what some people may believe.
59:58 Tucker Carlson? Yeah. Um, okay. So is, does anyone ever talk about this?
1:00:03 Speaker 02 No. It is widely accepted. It's an, it's an everyday part of people's attire. And then Democrats will wear many foreign flags. I mean, they've gone through, they've gone through Gaza. They've gone through Mexico. They've got Iran.
1:00:22 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:00:25 Tucker Carlson? Mexico.
1:00:26 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:00:27 Tucker Carlson? Really?
1:00:27 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:00:29 Tucker Carlson? Boy, I think Mexico hates us much more than Iran does.
1:00:32 Speaker 02 You know what?
1:00:32 Tucker Carlson? I grew up next to Mexico. They don't like, I like a lot of Mexicans personally.
1:00:36 Speaker 02 I gotta tell you, I was in Mexico last weekend and it was great.
1:00:39 Tucker Carlson? Oh, no. Well, Mexicans are great people.
1:00:41 Speaker 02 Mexicans are great people.
1:00:42 Tucker Carlson? I could not agree more. I could not agree more.
1:00:44 Speaker 02 And the area I was in was gorgeous.
1:00:47 Tucker Carlson? No, I'm saying the Mexican government.
1:00:49 Speaker 02 Oh, the Mexican government. Yeah, enough of that.
1:00:51 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:00:52 Speaker 02 But no, the people there, oh my goodness, wonderful people.
1:00:55 Tucker Carlson? I agree.
1:00:56 Speaker 02 They're bilingual, their English is perfect, and it's not because they were in the United States. It's because they learn English and Spanish in their schools as they're growing up. The customer service was the best customer service I have had in decades. And I, customer service is one of the things I'm really picky about because I grew up in a construction company and my dad's number one rule was customer is king. And so you treat the customer as they are the king and that, that is how we will survive. That's how we will make money is we treat our customers better than anybody. And so it's, it's a little thing I pay attention to.
1:01:30 Tucker Carlson? It's a big thing.
1:01:31 Speaker 02 I was blown away. I was like, this is, everybody's saying hello to me every single day. They're asking me if I need anything. I mean, like everybody I walk by and I'm going, wait, this isn't what I was told about Mexico.
1:01:41 Tucker Carlson? No, I mean, there are hundreds of thousands of Americans living in Mexico.
1:01:47 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah, they love it.
1:01:48 Tucker Carlson? Oh, of course they can.
1:01:49 Speaker 02 But I don't get treated.
1:01:49 Tucker Carlson? They can't afford to live in the high states.
1:01:51 Speaker 02 But we don't have that kind of customer service in the United States.
1:01:54 Tucker Carlson? We definitely don't.
1:01:54 Speaker 02 And we don't have that kind of mentality in our government.
1:01:59 Tucker Carlson? No, I know. I've known.
1:02:00 Speaker 02 We have a, yes, so we have, everyone I work with is, is going from dinner or cocktail hour to some lobbying group, to some special interest group to, they're invited to speak. So they feel honored to speak at these groups. And it's every single night or a lunch or a breakfast in Washington DC. And they're going and doing all these things and then they're wearing their lapel pins or their pocket, their little pocket handkerchiefs or whatever it may be, representing foreign countries or tying them to the United States as if you could tie a foreign government to the, to our government. That's ridiculous. And it's widely accepted and it's common practice and no one ever questions it.
1:02:43 Tucker Carlson? So now you are questioning it, um, without hate, I think?
1:02:50 Tucker Carlson? And you said like five times, you're not mad at Israel, you're mad at American leaders who refuse to put their own country first, which I think is fair.
1:02:58 Speaker 02 Right.
1:02:59 Tucker Carlson? But, um, I mean, you're going to get crushed for saying this.
1:03:02 Speaker 02 Probably.
1:03:03 Tucker Carlson? What do you think's gonna happen?
1:03:05 Speaker 02 Well, I think, I don't know, but I'm sure they're going to try to find a primary against me.
1:03:11 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:03:12 Speaker 02 That won't say the things that I say.
1:03:15 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:03:16 Speaker 02 And they're going to try to say that I'm betraying Trump when I'm not at all. I have spent millions of my own dollars campaigning for that man all over the country, like freely, just going-
1:03:27 Tucker Carlson? Weren't you just with him the other day?
1:03:28 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:03:29 Tucker Carlson? I saw you with him somewhere.
1:03:30 Speaker 02 At the White House.
1:03:31 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:03:32 Speaker 02 Like, I, you cannot make me not love, I love him. I think he's great and I support him and I think he did a great job. I, I think it was incredible that our military was so well-trained, the strikes that they made, and then President Trump said, "Enough," and he backed out of it. No other president would have done that. And the Congress is upset that he backed out. And Mark Levin's head is going to explode on his show.
1:03:58 Tucker Carlson? Well, actually, I have a quote, and I hate to beat up on Mark Levin, he's got enough problems, obviously. But, um, so the moment the ceasefire happened, he said this, "I hate this word ceasefire, I really do." So how could, I mean, that's, I do think, you know, your worldview, what you're like as a person, what you love, what you hate, like, that is important. And if you hate the word ceasefire-
1:04:22 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:04:23 Tucker Carlson? I hate the word, like, dead children, or killing. But ceasefire, that's the word you hate? Haven't you, I mean, that, wow, that's a heavy thing to say.
1:04:33 Speaker 02 Yeah, so Mark Levin, that is attacking you every hour on his X account-
1:04:38 Tucker Carlson? I don't care.
1:04:39 Speaker 02 And attacking me and calling me names, um, and, and Fox News is tolerating that, by the way.
1:04:45 Tucker Carlson? Of course.
1:04:46 Speaker 02 Which is, I think, atrocious and pathetic. Any other company, by the way, any other company would never allow their employees to go on their own personal social media and, like, verbally berate and attack and call names to people. That's a fireable offense in the real world and private, in the private sector. No company allows their employees to do that. Fox News is allowing Mark Levin-
1:05:08 Tucker Carlson? Well, you can't fire Mark Levin, he's got such a huge audi- Oh, wait, no, nobody, nobody voluntarily watches Mark Levin, of course.
1:05:17 Speaker 02 I don't know anybody that watches Mark Levin.
1:05:19 Tucker Carlson? No.
1:05:19 Speaker 02 I'm sure someone watches it, but you know, he's the great one, apparently. But no, seriously though, it's, it's the fact that he hates the word ceasefire is an attack on the president. That's a real attack on the president. Not the words that I'm saying, not anything that I've said, not when I said we shouldn't be doing this. That wasn't an attack on the president. That's going exactly with what President Trump campaigned on. Now, what Mark Levin is saying, that he hates the word ceasefire, that is his attack on President Trump. That's him putting the ultimate disapproval, hate on what President Trump has done and that we are all so thankful and happy for.
1:06:03 Speaker 02 Peace is the ultimate thing that we should pursue at all times. Peace at all times, because it's good for every, every country and every single people. But Mark Levin hates it.
1:06:15 Tucker Carlson? Well, peace is also the purest expression of strength. And I'm not, and I'm not, you know, resurrecting the horriest quote of all, peace through strength from Reagan, which you know, there's truth in that. But peace is a byproduct of strength. When you have a strong father in the home, you've got strong parents, the kids get along. You've got some, you know, flaky Xanax head running the house.
1:06:37 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:37 Tucker Carlson? The kids are out of control. There's chaos, there's fighting.
1:06:40 Speaker 02 That's right.
1:06:40 Tucker Carlson? Like, strength brings peace.
1:06:43 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:06:43 Tucker Carlson? Dad's home, knock that shit off.
1:06:45 Speaker 02 We love that.
1:06:46 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, but it's, but that's just, that's a
1:06:48 Speaker 02 It's true, yes.
1:06:49 Tucker Carlson? Principle that never changes.
1:06:51 Speaker 02 Right.
1:06:51 Tucker Carlson? So, um, it's just funny that there are people, I just can't get past it. I, I think it's important to say it because like you want your country to be good, you want its leaders to be good. You don't always have to agree with them. But if their main goal is to kill people, if they, if they don't have any problem, watching Randy Fine, who's a member of Congress, I guess, from Florida.
1:07:13 Speaker 02 Barely elected, barely got elected, by the way, in a very red district.
1:07:17 Tucker Carlson? In a very red district.
1:07:18 Speaker 02 Very red district.
1:07:19 Tucker Carlson? But Randy Fine, someone sent him, this is when I got off social media, I'm not, I'm not looking at it anymore because it's disgusting, but, um, Somebody sent him a picture of like, literally of a dead child and he's like, that's great.
1:07:31 Speaker 02 Oh my goodness, that's the most horrible thing ever.
1:07:35 Tucker Carlson? But how could someone like that serve in the Congress?
1:07:37 Speaker 02 I have no idea. They shouldn't be in Congress.
1:07:39 Tucker Carlson? What god is he worshiping?
1:07:40 Speaker 02 Not mine.
1:07:40 Tucker Carlson? He's constantly talking about god.
1:07:42 Speaker 02 Not my god, not your god.
1:07:43 Tucker Carlson? What god wants that?
1:07:44 Speaker 02 Nope. I, nobody, no god. Well, there is no god but god, and our god does not want anyone to celebrate a dead child.
1:07:54 Tucker Carlson? So you, I mean, if I'm, if I'm, whatever that guy's name is, Mike Johnson, running, you know, the Republican, Speaker of the House, I'm calling Randy Fine and being like, hey, son, no. You're not allowed to celebrate dead children on your Twitter. Like, you're a member of the Republican Party in the Congress. Like, you can't do that.
1:08:11 Speaker 02 Yeah, no.
1:08:11 Tucker Carlson? Did that happen?
1:08:12 Speaker 02 I, I don't know.
1:08:14 Tucker Carlson? Did anyone, did any other, I'm sorry to be mean or so personal. I tried to interview Randy Fine. He canceled on me, but it would have been interesting.
1:08:22 Speaker 02 He would, I think his district.
1:08:23 Tucker Carlson? But like, what do you even?
1:08:24 Speaker 02 He should answer to his district for that.
1:08:26 Tucker Carlson? I agree.
1:08:27 Speaker 02 I have to answer my district for everything I do and say.
1:08:30 Tucker Carlson? But did other Republicans say, wow, this guy is one of us. He's part of the conference, or whatever they call it, conference?
1:08:37 Speaker 02 Conference.
1:08:38 Tucker Carlson? Conference, yeah. He's a Republican, a fellow Republican in the House, and he's celebrating dead children. Did anybody say like, that's not?
1:08:44 Speaker 02 I didn't hear anybody say that.
1:08:46 Tucker Carlson? If someone put a swastika on their Twitter feed.
1:08:48 Speaker 02 Oh my goodness.
1:08:49 Tucker Carlson? Well, and they should. I'm, I'm opposed, just for the record, I'm opposed to the swastika.
1:08:53 Speaker 02 Wait, let me say, for the record, I'm opposed to the swastika too.
1:08:55 Tucker Carlson? Of course, but if you put a symbol of like hate and violence and killing children on your Twitter feed.
1:09:01 Speaker 02 Unacceptable.
1:09:02 Tucker Carlson? The people who run your party would, would say something about it, right?
1:09:04 Speaker 02 Oh, well, I got, I got kicked out of, I got totally removed from all committees for things that I had put on social media or shared before I ever became a member of Congress.
1:09:19 Tucker Carlson? But you weren't espousing violence, were you?
1:09:20 Speaker 02 No, I was not espousing any type of violence.
1:09:25 Tucker Carlson? I just, well, I saw that and I was like, I don't have any choice but to vote Republican. I guess. I don't know who else I would vote for. I mean, they just won't vote, but I'm not going to vote for a party that is for killing children.
1:09:37 Speaker 02 No, 100%. That's not what the Republican party. Not, you shouldn't. I don't think anyone should.
1:09:44 Tucker Carlson? Did anyone talk about that in the hallways?
1:09:46 Speaker 02 No, I hadn't heard about it. You're the only person I've heard talk about it.
1:09:50 Tucker Carlson? Really?
1:09:50 Speaker 02 Yes, honestly.
1:09:52 Tucker Carlson? Nancy Mace didn't notice that her fellow Republican, Randy Fine, was putting, "I love killing babies."
1:09:57 Speaker 02 I don't think so.
1:09:59 Tucker Carlson? What about all the pro lifers? Supposed pro lifers? I believe in babies.
1:10:03 Speaker 02 I believe the pro-life groups would be pretty upset about that.
1:10:06 Tucker Carlson? The real ones would.
1:10:06 Speaker 02 But how many follow, does anybody even know he posted it?
1:10:10 Tucker Carlson? I don't know. I mean, some, but nine people sent it to me. Like, what, I'd never heard of-
1:10:14 Speaker 02 Apparently, people are paying attention.
1:10:15 Tucker Carlson? Randy Fine. Um, yeah, and every time there's a bombing, bombs away, like-
1:10:21 Speaker 02 Bombs away, that's horrible.
1:10:22 Tucker Carlson? Or signing ordinance before it goes and kills people?
1:10:26 Speaker 02 Celebrating murder, especially of the most innocent. I'm, I'm pretty sure that that's in the Bible too. Then there's very dark things for those people.
1:10:34 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, I mean, you can be an atheist and oppose that. It's just, it's so obviously repulsive. And I just think Republicans, I mean, you're an elected Republican, I'm just a bystander who has voted Republican pretty consistently, um, for 40 years. I think,
1:10:54 Tucker Carlson? I think it's bad for the, I hate to use the word "brand," but like-
1:10:57 Speaker 02 I think it's terrible for the brand.
1:10:59 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:11:00 Speaker 02 But that's what the election was all about. No more foreign wars, no more regime change. No, the, the 13 soldiers that were killed in the Afghanistan withdrawal, that devastated the country. I mean, I think that was like the nail in the coffin.
1:11:17 Tucker Carlson? I think so.
1:11:17 Speaker 02 It was, and we're still devastated over it. And those poor families and all the, and there's, you know, and the ones that don't get talked about, that, no one talks about the soldiers that were horribly injured.
1:11:27 Tucker Carlson? Oh, I know.
1:11:28 Speaker 02 We, we talk about the 13, but there were so many horribly injured that are living with that today. That was the nail in the coffin. And to return back to it where our party is cheerleading it and, and apparently sharing the dead bodies of children and celebrating that and celebrating dropping bombs. It's a, it's like-
1:11:51 Speaker 02 I'm not attacking President Trump because I believe he did what he thinks is right and how he's handled it is exactly what I want from him.
1:11:59 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:11:59 Speaker 02 He has done it better than anybody, but the, the, the party itself and all of the talking heads, whether it's on the internet and on television, how they reacted was repulsive to me because they shouldn't have been like, "Yeah, we're going after him." It should have been like, "Hey, remember what happened to these 13 soldiers and their families and these other soldiers?"
1:12:23 Tucker Carlson? Well, there should at least be some solemnity. It's a big thing to kill people. It's a big thing to drop a bomb. I mean, maybe you think you need to do it. I'm, I'm not always right. I'm often wrong, so maybe I'm wrong.
1:12:33 Speaker 02 Well, and-
1:12:34 Tucker Carlson? But even if I'm, even if I'm wrong, you still shouldn't be gleeful when you drop a bomb on people. What kind of freak are you anyway?
1:12:42 Speaker 02 No, I think that's horrible. It, it, no, no one should celebrate that. Now, if, here's, here's what we can say is if the mission was successful and they really destroyed the nuclear program, then we can be really proud of our military. That is incredible and we can be proud of the, the men and women that carried out that successful mission and we can be thankful for our president for keeping our country safe. If, you know, we can go along and say, "All these things are true," but at the same time, when President Trump, I mean, and he went in hard and said, "It's time for a ceasefire. It's time for peace," but yet we have Mark Levin over there pissed off on his radio
1:13:26 Speaker 02 show and he's saying, "I hate the word ceasefire." Like, that is, that is disgusting.
1:13:32 Tucker Carlson? It is disgusting.
1:13:33 Speaker 02 And that's not who we are. That is not our movement. That is not America First. That is not MAGA. As a matter of fact, he took off the costume temporarily because he couldn't take it anymore. It was stifling. It was hot. He was sweaty. You know, you can see the whole thing-
1:13:49 Tucker Carlson? It was getting moist under the skin suit.
1:13:51 Speaker 02 Very much. And he ripped it off and he admitted who he was again.
1:13:55 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:13:55 Speaker 02 "I hate the word ceasefire." And so I think it exposed so many people-
1:14:00 Tucker Carlson? It's so perfect.
1:14:02 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's really sick.
1:14:03 Tucker Carlson? It's really sick.
1:14:06 Speaker 02 Too visual.
1:14:07 Tucker Carlson? I know, it's too visual. It's just better like have a normal personal life where you don't have to externalize all your weird fetishes onto the US military. You know what I mean?
1:14:17 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:14:18 Tucker Carlson? Sorry. Here I go again. And just once again, I noticed the connection between unhappy people and killing. I mean, there are many examples through history. Well-balanced people, wise people, people with a sense of the future, grandchildren, people like that don't, don't behave like Mark Levin.
1:14:39 Speaker 02 No, and regular people don't behave that way. As a matter of fact, regular people don't, they're, they're so, again, back to being like, okay, we have all these problems. Why, my business, I want to grow my business, but I don't have any money to invest in it. You know, people that are saying, I gosh, I really need to make more money. I can barely pay my mortgage. I can barely pay my bills. My wife's car is broken down. I can't afford to buy her a new one. I mean, these are real problems. This is the stuff that Fox News should be talking about and Mark Levin should be talking about and CNN should be talking about. And elected leaders, most of all, should, we should only be talking about that.
1:15:18 Tucker Carlson? I know.
1:15:19 Speaker 02 That's because my job title is representative in the United States House of Representatives. That's, that's our job title.
1:15:27 Tucker Carlson? Somebody said to me the other day, I don't know if you, I mean, you are an elected representative, so you have a much better sense of polling and where the public is. But someone said to me yesterday, the reason this push is coming now, when there was no, well, I don't know, there's no actual evidence that they were days away, but whatever. I'm glad, I don't want them to have a bomb, so.
1:15:45 Speaker 02 No, we don't want them to have a bomb.
1:15:47 Tucker Carlson? But why now? So Steve Whitkoff, wonderful man, was on his way to Oman on Sunday, last Sunday. And on Friday, bombing started, Israel started bombing. They didn't ask, they just announced that they were doing it and they did it and derailed the, the talks, of course. But why the urgency? And someone said to me the other day, it has to do with the polling on this question. And the only people who support this kind of lunacy are in Mark Levin's.
1:16:19 Tucker Carlson? Demographic, age demographic, like it's older people, young people.
1:16:22 Speaker 02 Our parents' generation, the baby boomers.
1:16:24 Tucker Carlson? I hate to say that, everyone beats up on the boomers, but it's well deserved if we're being honest.
1:16:29 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:16:29 Tucker Carlson? Really selfish, selfish generation in general, but do you sense that like anyone under 40 is for this stuff?
1:16:36 Speaker 02 Oh my gosh, no, no. Baby boomers get their, primarily get their news from television.
1:16:42 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:16:43 Speaker 02 The Republican baby boomers watch Fox News. The Republican, I mean, the Democrat baby boomers, they watch CNN.
1:16:49 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:16:49 Speaker 02 Or MSNBC or whatever. That's where they get their news and that's where they receive all the propaganda fed into their head.
1:16:59 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:16:59 Speaker 02 About what they should think, what they should believe, who they should support, how they should vote, when they should protest, what, who they need to be mad at. It's, it's all there on television for them. But, so I'm 51 years old. I'm, I'm generation X.
1:17:17 Tucker Carlson? Right.
1:17:17 Speaker 02 So then there's, after that, there's the millennials and then there's Gen Z, that's our kids. Everybody from my age down is like, enough of this crap. Everybody my age down is sick of it. They're fed up, but they don't get their, they don't watch TV, they don't have the TV on the living room 24 hours a day and fall asleep to it while they're.
1:17:36 Tucker Carlson? So you don't know any 28 year olds who are like, yeah, Ron's nuclear program is the biggest threat we face and we need to affect regime change if necessary?
1:17:44 Speaker 02 Absolutely not. Abs, no, 28 year olds are pissed and they're lost.
1:17:50 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:17:50 Speaker 02 And they're defeated and they're, they're, they don't know who to turn to, to fix these problems. And they're facing problems we never faced. And so, no, the 20 year olds, 28 year olds are like, oh, great. You know, now I've got to worry about this too. Like, what does that mean? Am I going to be drafted? You know, like, what does that mean? They're, they're, they don't want to have anything to do with it.
1:18:13 Tucker Carlson? It's totally true.
1:18:14 Speaker 02 It's, it's insane. And so think about it like this. Tucker, in the next 10 years, or maybe a little bit longer, the baby, our parents' generation is going to pass away. And by the time that entire generation is, has moved on and, and the bulk of it sadly has passed because that's my mom and was my dad. And when they're gone and that mentality and those.
1:18:42 Speaker 02 You know, decisions made in Washington based on all of this neo con and fighting for foreign countries and fighting the foreign causes and sending the foreign aid and all of this foreign garbage, once they're gone, we're gonna be decimated and desolate because we will have never poured back into our own country.
1:19:05 Tucker Carlson? Yes.
1:19:05 Speaker 02 And then we're gonna have our generation of kids who at that time are gonna be like in their 30s, it's gonna be really hard for them.
1:19:12 Tucker Carlson? I totally agree.
1:19:13 Speaker 02 And so that generation will be gone and Mark Levin won't get to affect, put his opinion on anybody.
1:19:18 Tucker Carlson? No.
1:19:19 Speaker 02 And it won't matter anymore. And I don't even know if people will watch TV anymore.
1:19:24 Tucker Carlson? No, of course not.
1:19:24 Speaker 02 Who knows? No, they're gonna be sick of it. I mean, I think they're already sick of it. People are checking out.
1:19:30 Tucker Carlson? We're gonna get radical politics.
1:19:32 Speaker 02 But I think it's gonna be before 10 years.
1:19:34 Tucker Carlson? Oh, I'm, when I was a kid, I went with my dad to Venezuela, to Caracas, and it was probably late 70s, great town, great city. It was a, you know, biggest oil reserves in the world, it was a rich country, beautiful, super nice people, beautiful women, you know, it was just great, Caracas, Venezuela, it was great. The economy of Venezuela was always pretty centralized, basically came down to like a very small number of families controlled everything.
1:20:00 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:20:01 Tucker Carlson? Which is fine unless you marry that to democracy, you give everyone a vote. So you can only have an economy that's pyramid shaped.
1:20:12 Speaker 02 Right.
1:20:12 Tucker Carlson? If you don't give everyone the vote. But the second you give everyone the vote, you better share the wealth.
1:20:19 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:20:20 Tucker Carlson? Or just shut it down and make it an oligarchy.
1:20:22 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:20:22 Tucker Carlson? But you can't have those two together. So they had those two together and then they elected a Marxist, um, who, you know, and all those rich people who were there when I was in Caracas are now living in South Florida and.
1:20:35 Speaker 02 Of course.
1:20:36 Tucker Carlson? You know, paying politicians to hate Maduro or whatever. But the, but the point is, it's not even about Chavez or Maduro, it's like they were the products of a society that couldn't sustain a middle class.
1:20:48 Speaker 02 Right.
1:20:49 Tucker Carlson? And that's gonna happen to us.
1:20:51 Speaker 02 It's already happening. It's already happening.
1:20:54 Tucker Carlson? I wrote a whole book about this that nobody read in a number of years ago, because it was so obvious that it was coming, so obvious to me. This is what you're gonna get, you're gonna get, it's gonna be about economics, too.
1:21:05 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:21:06 Tucker Carlson? Do you, do you feel that?
1:21:07 Speaker 02 Oh, for sure. It's always about money.
1:21:09 Tucker Carlson? I know.
1:21:10 Speaker 02 And that's, I mean, that, it's, it's, it should be our responsibility to make an, to create an environment, to create a system, to create an economy where everybody can get rich.
1:21:21 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:21:21 Speaker 02 Where people can actually make a lot of money. Because when you make a lot of money, guess what? You are happy. I know they tell you that money doesn't buy happiness, but guess what? Money definitely buys a lot of happiness. It doesn't make you perfect, it doesn't, doesn't solve who you are on the inside, but it solves a lot of problems.
1:21:38 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:21:39 Speaker 02 And we have created a system, we've created an economy where we are creating a lot of unhappiness because people are going broke.
1:21:48 Tucker Carlson? It's true.
1:21:48 Speaker 02 And there is no, in Washington DC, everyone is drawn by whatever group they're speaking to, whatever lobbyist's interest, all these things that are pulling them away from, from what we really should be doing, and we're not fixing the problems.
1:22:03 Tucker Carlson? Totally right.
1:22:04 Speaker 02 And I think it's gonna, so you asked me in the beginning, which direction will it will go? And so there's two things I have to talk about directions on. One of them is, with our country, it's really going to be up to the American people, if they're willing to get in there and really make a difference and fight for our country to not be taken over by these insane people that are gonna all of a sudden start running for office everywhere. They are gonna, that is a decision that people have to make. And I'm watching it in my own home state of Georgia. I'm watching it right now. We are coming up on the, the
1:22:43 Speaker 02 next election cycle. It is going 2026. We have our governors, lieutenant governor, secretary of state is all, the entire slate, our entire state, all positions are on the ballot, and a senate seat. And I am not seeing the willingness in the state of Georgia to rise to the occasion among Republicans, voters and donors, especially among donors, because they don't see the threat that's coming. For them, they they have been living in Georgia where everything has been, you know, we have a great state, everything's wonderful, life is great there, Republicans have been in control, have they done everything perfect? No, but my goodness, they've done a lot right.
1:23:26 Speaker 02 So no, everybody's kicking back, you know, it's like they don't worry about it, why would they worry about it? But they are not aware that we are so purple, oh my goodness, Georgia is on the brink of being stolen, and it's like this Tucker, Democrats stole California years ago.
1:23:43 Tucker Carlson? I noticed, I noticed, yeah.
1:23:45 Speaker 02 It's a communist state, they have seriously taken New York to the point of something terrifying, and we saw that election yesterday. Think about those states, okay, California, ports in California, powerful ports, that's trade, that's everything, New York, super powerful ports, that's where airports, that's where people come in from all over the world to California, New York. The state of Georgia is very similar, and the Democrats know it, but the Republicans are not paying attention to how important Georgia is. Georgia is the economic hub of the South. We have the busiest airport in the world in Atlanta, we have the third largest port in the country, the third largest port in Savannah, we have I-75, I-85,
1:24:30 Speaker 02 we have so much trade and commerce in our barely red state, that two Democrat senators hold seats in, by the way, and the people of, they are not rising to the occasion, they are not serious about defeating Democrats in this next election. It feels like they are on autopilot, and they are snoozing. But when the Democrats take the state of Georgia, they will, it's impactful, it's impactful on our economy, and it's a power structure that's terrifying when you put at the dynamic of California, New York, and if they take Georgia.
1:25:03 Tucker Carlson? So I think the cycle is, you let the middle class wither, you make it impossible for people to own anything, and then all of a sudden you have like an entire army, shock troops of disenfranchised unhappy people who are your voters.
1:25:20 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:25:21 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:25:22 Speaker 02 That are desperate.
1:25:22 Tucker Carlson? Exactly.
1:25:23 Speaker 02 And who will they turn to?
1:25:24 Tucker Carlson? The most radical person.
1:25:26 Speaker 02 That's right.
1:25:28 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, no, there's no doubt about it. Do you think the White House understands this?
1:25:33 Speaker 02 I hope they understand.
1:25:34 Tucker Carlson? So what's gonna happen is you're gonna see some seriously radical people elected in 2026, next fall, a year from November, and the story will be, well, they're just pissed at Trump. It's anti-Trump. You know, of course, I'm sure they don't like Trump, but that's not what it is.
1:25:52 Speaker 02 No.
1:25:53 Tucker Carlson? It's the state of the economy.
1:25:55 Speaker 02 For sure.
1:25:55 Tucker Carlson? And it's the fact that Larry Fink has all the money.
1:25:58 Speaker 02 It's the fact, yeah, it's the fact that our nation's leaders have been America last for a very long time.
1:26:07 Tucker Carlson? So what are you gonna do? Are you gonna run for your seat again?
1:26:10 Speaker 02 Yeah, I'm gonna run for my seat again. I don't know. I have options.
1:26:13 Tucker Carlson? Yeah, I know.
1:26:14 Speaker 02 I do have options, but I look at my home state and I go, you know what? I love Georgia more than any place on the planet.
1:26:22 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:26:23 Speaker 02 And I would fight for them to the death. But if they're not willing to fight to, then why would I throw myself out?
1:26:31 Tucker Carlson? I just noticed, I referred to it before, and I've lived it, by the way, I ran away from the city I lived in. And everyone I know my age, I'm 56, you know, who can afford it, it's like, I'm moving to my summer house, or whatever. It's like, I'm out of here.
1:26:44 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:26:44 Tucker Carlson? You know what I mean?
1:26:45 Speaker 02 Right.
1:26:46 Tucker Carlson? I, how about southeast Idaho? You know, I should live in Driggs. No, for real, though. People are just like, I don't want to deal with it. I'm leaving. And that is understandable. I mean, again, I did it, so I'm not judging, but it's also kind of ignoble. It's not, it's not impressive to do that. Like, impressive people say, no, no, no, my parents are from here. I'm staying. Like, I'm not leaving.
1:27:10 Speaker 02 But at the same time, you can't do it by yourself.
1:27:12 Tucker Carlson? No, I know.
1:27:13 Speaker 02 And that's, you need people.
1:27:15 Tucker Carlson? And it does feel like people who are vested in the system just don't want to fight, do they?
1:27:24 Speaker 02 I feel like Republicans in general don't see the fight ahead. They are completely blinded. The Republican Party as a whole is completely blinded to what is happening. Right now, the whole, the whole conversation in Washington is Democrats in disarray. Oh, they're so lost. They don't, they're, they're fighting for the illegals, the criminal cartels.
1:27:47 Tucker Carlson? Is that really what they're saying?
1:27:48 Speaker 02 Yes. They're, they're saying Democrats in disarray.
1:27:51 Tucker Carlson? Like, inside?
1:27:52 Speaker 02 In our, in our meetings, yeah. Democrats are in disarray. They're, they're gonna lose. We're going to win the midterms, you know?
1:28:02 Tucker Carlson? They're really saying that?
1:28:03 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:28:04 Tucker Carlson? Kind of congratulating themselves?
1:28:06 Speaker 02 Yeah, like as if it's like we just won the election in November. So it's still same, that same kind of vibe because Democrats, Democrats are so lost right now. They don't even know who they are, you know, it's, it's that nonstop conversation. Because they're seeing them go out and, and fight ICE and they're seeing them do these no king protests. And they're seeing them wave foreign countries' flags and things like that. And they're saying Democrats are in disarray when I don't see it that way.
1:28:33 Tucker Carlson? No, I agree with you completely.
1:28:35 Speaker 02 And, and the Republicans cannot win elections if they don't understand what the enemy is doing and how they're rebuilding and the direction that they're going in.
1:28:46 Tucker Carlson? And they're harnessing rage, real rage. I don't think it's aimed necessarily at Trump, but there's real rage about the decay in the country.
1:28:55 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:28:55 Tucker Carlson? Abandoning young people.
1:28:57 Speaker 02 That's the whole reason everyone voted for President Trump.
1:28:59 Tucker Carlson? I know. That's why I want young people.
1:29:01 Speaker 02 Absolutely. And that's why, another reason why I love him. His message and campaign promises are the greatest. But if Republicans don't deliver them, once you burn people, people are too burned. They've been burned too many times by the government. They've been burned too many times by politicians. They don't trust anybody anymore and I don't blame them. I, I'm like, I feel the same way.
1:29:23 Tucker Carlson? Maybe we should just move oil prices up to a hundred bucks a barrel because we're having another war in the Middle East. Like that, that the reckless, like if you brought that up, I said that I was roundly attacked for saying that.
1:29:33 Speaker 02 I was attacked for that.
1:29:35 Tucker Carlson? Well, that's not a real concern, tanking your economy? I guess it's not if you're Mark Levin, but I think most people are concerned about that.
1:29:42 Speaker 02 Well, I guess Mark Levin lives on some other level I, I don't live on. But I think cheap gas is like the most awesome thing. It's like everybody I know drives by the gas station is like, oh my gosh, did you see it's down to 264? And everybody's celebrating and hoping it keeps going down.
1:29:57 Tucker Carlson? So to just kind of casually risk spiking the global oil price like that because, I don't know. I just, I, the recklessness of it, I'm sorry, I shouldn't say this, but I was, I was enraged by that.
1:30:09 Speaker 02 Yeah, of course. And then also oil, it goes into so many products. It's not just the price of gas. It's, it's in, it's, it's literally in everything. It's in our, it's in everything.
1:30:23 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:30:23 Speaker 02 Oil is in everything.
1:30:24 Tucker Carlson? Where do you think your Patagonia fleece comes from?
1:30:26 Speaker 02 I don't have one.
1:30:28 Tucker Carlson? No, and I'm just saying like, plastic. You know, polyethylene comes from natural gas.
1:30:33 Speaker 02 Exactly, 100%.
1:30:34 Tucker Carlson? No, it's all from hydrocarbons, of course.
1:30:37 Speaker 02 Yes.
1:30:37 Tucker Carlson? Of course. Yeah, no, I've, I mean, no, I could go on and on. I'm interested in the topic, but I, what I'm even more interested in right now is the kind of casual risk-taking that I'm seeing that I, I really disapprove of. I don't, if you led your family like that, you, you should be in jail.
1:30:55 Speaker 02 For sure. And I think President Trump, President Trump understood the moment. And he, he himself had to fight back against everybody. He, when he said it's time for peace and it's time for a ceasefire, he had to fight back these people that were still like, yeah, let's go, which is ridiculous. It's absolutely absurd, but they're celebrating this movement. And the movement is really to destroy the movement that President Trump created and the movement that everybody voted for.
1:31:29 Tucker Carlson? You think Tom Cotton's rooting for MAGA?
1:31:31 Speaker 02 No.
1:31:32 Tucker Carlson? Probably not.
1:31:34 Speaker 02 Well, we know Ted Cruz is not.
1:31:36 Tucker Carlson? No, of course not. And I don't know. I mean, there is a kind of honor in just saying what you think and just being straightforward about your agenda. I guess what I'm bothered by, including agendas I hate and, or disagree with, but I, I'm really offended by the fakeness. No, it's MAGA or it's America first to put another country first. No, it's not. It's not. Just say, I, you know, I like America. It's not, you know, I served in a foreign military. It's not, I have a foreign flag on my door. So it's obviously not my first priority, but I like it. Why not just be straightforward? Why lie to me?
1:32:09 Speaker 02 I, well, actually, to be honest with you, I don't think they are lying, Tucker. They do say that they love whatever country's flag they have. They do say it and they do give their allegiance to them.
1:32:21 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:32:21 Speaker 02 Actually, they're not lying.
1:32:24 Tucker Carlson? Hmm. One last question. When you're, how many, cause you, you've been there a while. You're a social person. I think people like you personally. I know they do, because I've heard that. How many other Republican members of Congress sort of understand the things that you've been saying?
1:32:41 Speaker 02 I couldn't give you an exact number. I think, I think there's a small percentage of them that agree with me, but they don't want to say it. They won't say it out loud. It's too risky. Or they perceive it to be too risky because they don't want to be called anti-Semitic. That's the label. It's, it's like, it, once you get called that label, you get all these nasty articles written about you. You get all these, you know, the RJC comes after you and then, then you've got donors coming to you and saying, "You can't be anti-Semitic." When, here's the honest truth. It's not anti-Semitic to say, "We shouldn't be fighting a war that Israel started."
1:33:23 Speaker 02 And it's not anti-Semitic to say, "We shouldn't be doing what Netanyahu is telling us to do when he's in the tank in polls in his own country." And honestly, that man should have stepped down after October 7th. That was the most horrific, horrible thing that happened to all these innocent people in Israel, and it happened on his watch. And, and that's, that's the reality, and I'm quite sure there's many people in Israel that feel that way and, and-
1:33:51 Tucker Carlson? I think he's at like 30%.
1:33:53 Speaker 02 Exactly. And it's also-
1:33:56 Tucker Carlson? He's way more popular in the Congress than he is in Israel. Way more.
1:33:59 Speaker 02 Oh, way more popular. And it's not anti-Semitic to say that there was a vote on Thursday, last Thursday, that he barely won by two votes. And had he have lost that vote, there would have been an election called, and according to the polls, he would have lost. And then the next day, on Friday, they attacked, they launched the attack on Iran. And what does war do? Pulls everybody together.
1:34:28 Speaker 02 And so that's not anti-Semitic to talk about. That's, that's reality. And it's not anti-Semitic to say Americans hard-earned tax dollars in a nation where we're $37 trillion in debt shouldn't be going to Israel or shouldn't be going to any country. That we should be keeping those at home. We should keep that money at home. You know, there's, there's, there's towns in my district that could use some money coming down there to fix a water treatment plant or to help pave a road. That's where our tax dollars should be going to. Should be helping people that were affected by hurricanes. Should be helping people like, oh my goodness, in Lahaina from a, from a fire, all kinds of, California, for heaven's sake. We should be helping our own Americans. This is not anti-Semitic.
1:35:10 Speaker 02 And I refuse to have that label put on me. And they've tried to do it to me before and everybody that knows me knows, knows that is not true about me. And the reality is, it's a lie. And it's a lie that we need to get over.
1:35:24 Tucker Carlson? It's also identity politics, which I thought we'd given up.
1:35:27 Speaker 02 I thought so too.
1:35:28 Tucker Carlson? I, I was so annoyed by the Democrats. They could never talk about Americans. It was always this group or that group, you know, Malaysian Americans, lesbian Filipino Americans or whatever. I'm not against any of them, for the record. But like, how about just Americans? And I mean, I remember hearing everybody on Fox giving that lecture, we hated identity politics. And then all of a sudden, they're just engaged in it. Like, there's nothing, it's an inherently divisive message.
1:35:55 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
1:35:56 Tucker Carlson? Isn't it? Like, how about passing a bill in behalf of every American citizen, no matter what he or she looks like?
1:36:02 Speaker 02 That's the only thing we should be doing. Cause our job title is representative.
1:36:08 Tucker Carlson? It's so dark. I can't, I can't even handle it. I can't even handle it. Um, do you think that, and this is my last question, you've been so generous with your time. And by the way, from the day you started running and they decided whoever, some of the, your opponents have really good instincts and they knew you were going to say what you thought and that's the thing that they hated about you?
1:36:30 Speaker 02 Yep.
1:36:30 Tucker Carlson? But they, they would always say, cause you have a southern accent, she's stupid. And I would just dare any honest person to listen to the hour and a half we just did. Maybe they hate everything you said. No one thinks you're stupid. That's not, that was really smart analysis, much smarter analysis than I got from Harvard Law School graduate Ted Cruz, I would say. Um, did you go to Harvard Law School?
1:36:53 Speaker 02 No, definitely not.
1:36:54 Tucker Carlson? Okay. Well, anyway, I think it's, I just think it's a really smart analysis, what you said. It's true.
1:36:58 Speaker 02 Thank you.
1:37:01 Tucker Carlson? Do you feel like any of this will change? The attitudes will change that the people claiming to put America first actually will?
1:37:09 Speaker 02 I think there's a shift happening and I saw it a little bit. I don't know how big it is, but I saw a small shift and I saw it mostly in regular people and, and I think there are people I serve with that are feeling it too, but I don't know how willing they are to just say enough, you know, enough of this. I'm, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna focus on our country and my district because that's the simplest thing to say, the most simplest thing to say. I hope, I can say, I hope so. And, but I, I don't think it's going to happen as quickly as I'd like to see it.
1:37:51 Tucker Carlson? Yeah. Well, 2026, when they get just creamed, you know, election morning, they're like, oh, Democratic Party is so disorganized. They don't, they're still talking about trans stuff. I hated the trans stuff more than I've hated almost anything. I mean, I really hated it. It destroyed so many lives of kids. But what it's really about is economics and they have just refused to acknowledge that.
1:38:13 Speaker 02 That's what it comes down to.
1:38:14 Tucker Carlson? Totally right.
1:38:14 Speaker 02 Yep. Because what happened under four years of Biden, inflation was crazy. Everything was out of control. The world, our whole country felt unstable. The economy was fake. It was propped up by money pumped into it by the government and all the spending and... Look at the shift that happened. People couldn't take the crazy.
1:38:35 Tucker Carlson? Private equity owns the houses on your street and your veterinarian and your dental practice and owns everything. And they don't improve it. They make it shittier, actually.
1:38:45 Speaker 02 Yeah, because no one's going to care about their sweet little, like, I always loved the mom and pop grocery stores.
1:38:50 Tucker Carlson? Yeah.
1:38:50 Speaker 02 And I hate that they've been replaced by Dollar General.
1:38:52 Tucker Carlson? Of course.
1:38:53 Speaker 02 Like, one of my biggest pet peeves.
1:38:55 Tucker Carlson? But you're not allowed to, to mention it or else you're a socialist. Ben Shapiro's like, oh, you're a socialist. Because I don't like Dollar General, really?
1:39:02 Speaker 02 Who's Ben Shapiro?
1:39:03 Tucker Carlson? I have no idea, but I tried to bring this up to him years ago, that the economic thing, I'm hardly an economist, but I just think being able to afford to live in the country that you were born in and being, you know, having an economy that allows your children to have children, that just seems like, that's the measure.
1:39:24 Speaker 02 Yep. And you want to know something? That should be the one thing that unifies the entire, everybody.
1:39:29 Tucker Carlson? It's all I care about, I'll tell you that.
1:39:31 Speaker 02 I don't care. I'm getting to the point where I almost don't care about the two parties anymore.
1:39:34 Tucker Carlson? Oh, yeah.
1:39:35 Speaker 02 I've, I'm just like, I'm like, why would I be loyal to one? And I definitely disagree with the other one. But if we can find a place to actually, like you're talking about, care about the economy and care about our children's ability to have a future and raise a family, then I don't care, I don't care who I have to work with. It's just getting to the point where that is so fundamentally important and nothing else should matter.
1:40:01 Tucker Carlson? I couldn't agree more. Marjorie Taylor Greene, thank you for spending all this time and, and good luck, because you will definitely, you will definitely.
1:40:08 Speaker 02 I'm gonna need it.
1:40:09 Tucker Carlson? You're gonna make The Daily Beast mad. I'm just telling you that right now. You are, you are. They may not even endorse you.
1:40:16 Speaker 02 Darn it. I don't read them, so I don't care.
1:40:19 Tucker Carlson? Thank you.
1:40:19 Speaker 02 Thank you.
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