Crooked College Wall Street Investor w/ Cristen Conger (Fraud Friday)

This Fraud Friday, Cristen Conger joins the show to discuss David Bloom, a 23-year-old Wall Street “Whiz Kid” who was caught stealing millions from his friends and lovers to "invest" in the stock market. Plus, Professional Cornhole has been rocked by controversy after illegal bean bags used in a championship game. Stay Schemin’! (Originally aired 11/21/2022) Research done by Kaelyn Brandt. Sources: https://nypost.com/2022/11/02/professional-cornhole-world-rocked-by-baggate-cheating-scandal/ https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-09-28/con-artist-scam-manhattan-elite-la-dive-bar-frolic-room https://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/13/nyregion/lush-life-investor-23-named-in-huge-fraud.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-12-10-fi-1381-story.html https://nypost.com/2022/09/28/con-artist-david-bloom-arrested-for-fraud-in-los-angeles/ Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Cristen Conger: @cristenconger

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• 1:59Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:41Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, and we're back with another installment of Scam Goddess. The podcast's all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. We'll see along the way, y'all know how this goes. As always, what am I, come on, parasocial girlies? Yes, I'm excited, I'm extremely excited for today's guest. Today, we have the creator and co-host of the Webby Award, a winning podcast, okay? Unladylike, where she explores contemporary feminist issues and historical contexts. I love that. She also is a book and busy writer with her work appearing on Jezebel, Bitch Media, XO Jane, and How Stuff Works. Hey, How Stuff girlies, we know who y'all are.

• 3:23Laci Mosley?

  Congregation, please welcome the ever-talented Kristin Conger. I should've asked you before, did I say your name right? Is it Conger?

• 3:32Speaker 05

  It's Conger. No, you did it perfectly.

• 3:36Laci Mosley?

  It's Conger for the congregation. Come on, Conger.

• 3:40Speaker 05

  Okay, you already, you're already reading my mind, because, well, it's not that hard to put Conger and congregation together. But I was gonna say, I am the youngest of five. Big family. As a kid, we went to church all the time, and for much of my childhood, I thought that congregation was like a church joke about my big family.

• 4:05Laci Mosley?

  I love that you were like, oh, y'all are so sweet.

• 4:07Speaker 05

  I know. I thought it was like this inside joke.

• 4:11Laci Mosley?

  Also, being the youngest of five is a scam, because that- We all know the first child is the practice child. That was me. If you get middle siblings and you know, they, they, they trying to get their attention and then whatever. But the last one, oh, that's the sweet spot.

• 4:24Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, your parents are too tired to punish you as much. Like, they're just like, oh, I don't know. Go to your room.

• 4:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, I can, uh, hear the middle children in my family there. My middle siblings' ears are burning right now.

• 4:40Laci Mosley?

  Now, I have to ask you first, if you don't mind sharing, what religion? Were you in church all the time? We talking mass, like, get up, sit down, get up, sit down, like, holy.

• 4:50Speaker 05

  No, no. I mean, my family was, they were kind of classic nineteen nineties, like evangelical church hoppers. So.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  Church hoppers?

• 5:01Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:01Laci Mosley?

  Now, why are they moving around so much?

• 5:04Speaker 05

  Well, they had a passion for Jesus and were looking for the right place to, to congregate.

• 5:12Laci Mosley?

  I love your family, your parents just like assessing the vibes of the church. Like, they're just going to churches like it's free before eleven at the club. Well, yeah, their wafers were a little stale. I don't know. I feel like we could do better.

• 5:24Speaker 05

  It really, it was not, you're not that far off. It was a lot. But at least I got a really fun congregation pun out of it, you know?

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  That you did. Did you go to youth church ever?

• 5:36Speaker 05

  Oh, my God, yes, because Lacey, this is when I further revealed to you that I was homeschooled during this time as well.

• 5:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so this was your, this was your interaction. You were like, it's lit.

• 5:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, if I was gonna see a boy I was not blood related to.

• 5:55Speaker 05

  I had to get to church.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  They're like, Kristen loves going to church.

• 5:59Speaker 05

  Yeah. So, you know, and I adjusted out of it just right as rain.

• 6:08Laci Mosley?

  I love that. Little Kristen was like, hey, y'all, it's Wednesday night prayer meeting. We can need to go now. Like, was, okay, I got youth group. Come on, we gonna be late.

• 6:17Speaker 05

  Having like a heavy eyeshadow.

• 6:21Speaker 05

  Really getting gussied up.

• 6:22Laci Mosley?

  Right. I love that for you. And also, we always talk about this show, like, if you're a hater, like, find a hater job. Like, being a parking meter person, or, or working in the IRS. But also, I think if you're a corny person, find a corny person job. And being a youth pastor? Peak corny person job, okay?

• 6:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, but it's also a fine line between corny and creepy and, you know, I actually, I won't focus down that road.

• 6:47Laci Mosley?

  If you're a creep, find a padded room. Like, don't spare us, please. That's the least you can do. I would be proud of somebody who was like, yo, I really started doing some thought, and I'm a creep, so I'm just gonna stay at my house. Like, not bother y'all. Like, why don't you do that? You could just stay at your home, creep. I guess it's not your fault you were born a creep. I don't know. It probably is. So, stay home. I don't, you know, don't bother everybody with your creepiness, but I know exactly what you're saying. We do not have to go down that road, but, yeah. But, the first road we are gonna go down is, Kristen, I have to ask you, what is your relationship with scams? Do you love them? Do you hate them? Have you been scammed? Have you run these scams that are past the statute of limitations? It could be anything.

• 7:27Speaker 05

  I think yes, all of the above.

• 7:30Laci Mosley?

  Not all of the above. Same.

• 7:31Speaker 05

  I do love scams. I, as you pointed out so wisely, as the youngest of five, I am inherently a scammer.

• 7:42Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  And, not only was I the youngest, like, there's, there's a four-year gap between me and the next kid. So, like, truly, the baby. Like, I was a real oopsie daisy, you know?

• 7:54Laci Mosley?

  Where it's like, we were done. And then here you come scamming your way into your mama womb. Like, hey, girl, I'll be rinsing this out for the next nine months and sucking all the calcium out of your teeth. What's good?

• 8:06Speaker 05

  I was a scam. And, uh, I think it's also something, though, as the youngest, or maybe it's just part of being in a bigger family, where you do have to get scrappy. And, you know, because the, the resources, they're gonna go to the oldest first.

• 8:23Laci Mosley?

  That's a scam of being the oldest.

• 8:25Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  If they have the resources, if they have you when they all young and shit, then you grow up with a different life. Like, I remember when I was a little kid, my mom did have an apartment at some point. And then, after that, every house we moved into was built new. Like, I never lived in a house that anybody else lived in. And my sister rode around in Mercedes Benz's and shit, so, she won. She won on that.

• 8:50Speaker 05

  But did she get your hand-me-downs at all?

• 8:53Laci Mosley?

  No, she just steals my nice clothes now. She she was too good for that. I remember one time I took her to a dentist appointment and this was like, I maybe was like sixteen, I just, you know, got my driver's license and was driving and the roads were slick because it had just rained. And I got into a small fender bender, but I had the kind of car that like it, it was like a Hyundai Elantra. And I said it like it's a foreign word. And so the car crumpled a little bit in the front because I think that's just like an impact protection, but it wasn't a bad accident. My sister was maybe like four or five at the time. She wasn't upset about the accident. I had her strapped into her car, sitting in the back. But I had to get back in the car because it wasn't a big accident and move it so that we could get it off the road and somebody could tow it. Why? The whole time my sister is not in distress.

• 9:39Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, we have to get back into the car so we can move it. She breaks down crying. And I was like, what's wrong? What's wrong? Are you hurt? She was like, I don't want to get in a broken car.

• 9:51Laci Mosley?

  It's like, you bougie, you bougie ass.

• 9:56Laci Mosley?

  Me is the first one would have been like, yeah, let me get in. You want to try to fix the engine?

• 9:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I'll help push it. Come on.

• 10:01Laci Mosley?

  So you're scrappy because you're the youngest as well.

• 10:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm scrappy. I'm a bit sneaky. I definitely was sat down many times by my mom and my sister, like, saying you have to stop sneaking into your sister's closet and stealing her stuff. You think that you're getting away with it. You are not. Because that's the thing. I just really, I was like, who's going to notice this? Who's going to? She's she's not wearing this.

• 10:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but you live in the same house. Where'd you think you were going to leave and they weren't going to see you?

• 10:34Speaker 05

  I know. That's also the paradox.

• 10:35Laci Mosley?

  You thought you were Casper, the youngest friendly ghost? Yeah, we see you.

• 10:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, you know, I guess I was kind of full of myself, you know?

• 10:45Laci Mosley?

  I love the confidence.

• 10:46Speaker 05

  As the baby. And then I unfortunately never grew out of it. I like to think I'm starting to grow out of my kind of sneaky scrappiness. But first, when I went to actual high school, so I was homeschooled through middle school. Then I got to high school and I did earn the nickname Scraps because

• 11:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 11:15Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Scraps.

• 11:18Speaker 05

  Because I was like willfully bad about bringing my lunch. Just kind of like, ah, I don't really want to do this. I'll figure it out. And I would never really figure it out. And so I would just like wait, wait until my friends were done with their lunch and they would, you know, slide down a go girt to all scraps at the end of the table.

• 11:39Laci Mosley?

  Kids are fucking rude. Kids are rude. Like they give me their food, but they're like, okay, scraps.

• 11:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. I was also the poor kid at a private school. So, you know, I made note of that. But then also after college in my early adulthood, I'm embarrassed to say that an entirely different group of people gave me the nickname of the scavenger because I would scavenge snacks.

• 12:04Laci Mosley?

  Okay, the brand is strong.

• 12:05Speaker 05

  Yeah. So I guess what I'm trying to say is, uh, I have a problem.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  I see you on like TV jobs and like, oh, what do you do here? Oh, I'm here for crafty. What do we?

• 12:21Speaker 05

  Just got like pocketfuls of like, you know, snack packs, anything I can get my paws on.

• 12:27Laci Mosley?

  I love that for you. Listen, if it's free, it's for me. Okay? If it's free, it's for me and I'm gonna take some home for later. No matter what. Okay? Listen, we all got to take advantage. I love that.

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• 14:41Laci Mosley?

  It's time for me and scraps. Oh, no.

• 14:47Laci Mosley?

  To get into our first segment here, what's hot in fraud? Now, my scavenging queen, I need a fake name for you. We don't care about gender unless somebody marks it at the top, and there's no mark here, so it could be anything. Okay, Doris. Doris, ooh, take us back. Doris Payne, one of my favorite scammers, jewel thief. So Doris says, Lacey, at the congregation. Now, Doris, I haven't told you about, okay, but I'm gonna read this. I love, and there's about 80 O's here, your show, and I wanted to share the day I almost got took. Okay, Doris, what happened? Doris says, I think of myself as someone that can't be scammed. And this boy right here had me driving in a car

• 15:31Laci Mosley?

  down the street to buy a gift card. Oh, no. Now, y'all, y'all know about the gift cards. Anybody who wants a gift card, it's like a burner phone. People get those to do crime, okay? They can't be traced as well, just like gift cards. So, okay, Doris says, let's back up. Okay, Doris, a storyteller. Here was the scam. My Amazon Fire Stick wasn't working and I Googled customer service for Amazon Fire Stick. It took me to a number that I dialed.

• 16:03Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 16:04Laci Mosley?

  So you guys know for the most part, like, when scammers, they're reaching out to you. They're doing the legwork. But Doris is saying that she called because her Amazon Fire Stick was trash. And I've had that issue with Fire Sticks back in the day when I used to use them. For some reason, sometimes they just like, stop working. Like you plug them in your computer, they get weird. It feels like a Nintendo. You gotta unplug it and like, blow it off, put it back in. So, been there. The number sent me to the scammer and this is why I was off my game, because I called them.

• 16:41Laci Mosley?

  The internet is a scary place, y'all. The internet is a dark alley. Okay, you always gotta watch out. Anytime you click Safari or Google or anytime you get on any of your apps, you're in a dark alley and you need to be aware of that. So he sounded very official and fast forward, he stated that they had to verify my location and they could only do that if I brought a gift card and sent them numbers to verify that it's me. Damn, girl, you really wanted your Amazon Fire Stick back. Doris, were you hooked on ten last night or?

• 17:16Speaker 05

  Doris, why wasn't that your tell? It suddenly got very complicated.

• 17:20Laci Mosley?

  That, you should have known then, when is Amazon Fire Stick, like, we need to verify your location? Absolutely not. So it says, I was swept up in the fact that I needed to get my Fire Stick going for a house party.

• 17:33Laci Mosley?

  See, your desperation was high. You had a house party coming up. The girlies needed to watch Amazon on your Fire Stick and so you were ignoring all the flags.

• 17:42Speaker 05

  What do you think they were gonna watch?

• 17:43Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Cause now I'm trying to think like, house party and Amazon Fire Stick. Maybe she had Amazon Music and she was like, I'm not gonna have a DJ. I already told everybody to wear white linen. If they show up and I don't have no tunes, I'm down bad.

• 17:58Speaker 05

  Doris was in a frenzy. You know she was in a frenzy. She realized she did not leave herself enough time to plan this party. And suddenly she found herself in, in a car with a man. Oh, Doris, losing party planning time.

• 18:12Laci Mosley?

  She went to Costco, panic buying. She

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  She already has sent it out on paperless post. She was like, everybody has RSVP'd. Yes, there's only three maybes. I'm down bad. I gotta, I gotta get the vibes. I get it. I like to host too, Doris, so I understand. So she swept up, trying to throw the house party. She says he had a very official sounding voice, which I don't know what that sounds. Is that just a white man? He sounded tall and like he had a full head of hair.

• 18:42Speaker 05

  What if it was just like a robot voice?

• 18:45Laci Mosley?

  We must verify. It's like, it doesn't, this doesn't, robots don't sound like this anymore. We must verify your location. Send us a Walmart gift card. Like what, I don't know what that sounds like now, but okay, you said it's official. So Doris says, I got into my car and I drove to Publix. Publix, where are you? Florida, Atlanta?

• 19:03Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm in Atlanta and I love a pub sub. I'm right around the corner from Publix.

• 19:07Laci Mosley?

  Publix is that spot. I do love a Publix, especially a Publix rotisserie chicken. So I'm not mad. And, okay, so Doris is black, so said, then this nigga told me. But she blurted it out. I had to get a hundred dollar gift card. My brain kicked back on. Wait, I said, hey, there has to be another way to verify me. P S, I don't even have a hundred dollars to get to gift scam card. I hung up and drove home shaking my head. I was still shocked that he got me that far for sure. Congregation stays scamming. Doris. Okay, Doris.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  But Doris, how was the party?

• 19:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Doris, how was the party? Did you figure out how to get the music popping? Cause it's given Atlanta, it's given Florida, it's given somewhere around there. Also, Doris, did you send this from your work email? I'm not gonna say what it is. But, um, Doris, the man, the name that you sent does not match the sign up nor the business. So I know you like scams and I love that for you.

• 20:07Laci Mosley?

  I really wish, oh, oh, and we, we got one of the locations right. I'm not gonna say which one, but the end of this, why are you sending me emails from work, Doris? I love that for you. Yeah, it's quiet quitting. She said, I'm an email scam guy as well. I'm at my job.

• 20:24Laci Mosley?

  Doris, delete the company email that you sent to me. That's probably why she bleeped out the inwork. She was like, just in case a corporate or HR sees this email.

• 20:35Speaker 05

  Oh, man. Doris needs some 101s, I think, about creeping around online.

• 20:41Laci Mosley?

  Doris, look, you were in a desperate position. You were trying to provide vibes, probably hookah, because you know that has our community in a chokehold, okay? And, and the last thing you needed was your fire stick to have no fire. I understand, but I'm glad that you stopped when you realized that a hundred dollar gift card to fix an Amazon fire stick, that's definitely not a hundred dollars anymore, is not worth it. You could have just bought a new one. Aren't they like forty-five bucks now?

• 21:08Speaker 05

  Probably.

• 21:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, girl. With inflation, they making up all types of prices. You go to the grocery store. It feels like they auctioning now. We gotta celebrate. We gotta celebrate. One ninety-nine, two ninety-nine. Who's hungry? Who wants to celebrate? Who wants to eat tonight? Come on.

• 21:21Speaker 05

  I'll pay five.

• 21:24Laci Mosley?

  We got five in the back. We got five in the back with a woman with a family.

• 21:26Speaker 05

  I'm just driving up prices unnecessarily.

• 21:30Laci Mosley?

  Literally, that's what our fake inflation is right now. Okay, yeah, Amazon sticks are like, the fire sticks are like twenty-four ninety-nine now, sis.

• 21:37Speaker 05

  Okay, that's a good, that's a good lesson. If anyone wants you to pay a hundred dollars, you say, I could get four fire sticks. Official sounding, sir.

• 21:46Laci Mosley?

  And also, these days, like scammers know how to put their numbers online and also subvert algorithms. And you might search something and they will pop up if that's their scam. Apparently, Amazon fire stickers had enough problems that some scammer realized that they could cash in. Honestly, this wasn't too good to be true. This was too much work. You gotta drive. You gotta get a gift card that's worth more than the value of the thing. But at the same time, there might be some people who would be willing to fall for this. Nothing is really official anymore. You kind of have to just wait and almost like you're in a police interrogation. Like, if you're sitting there, we all know the rules are ask for a lawyer, ask for a lawyer, don't give up any personal information.

• 22:25Laci Mosley?

  And that's how you have to be online now, because people have figured out ways to pretend to be everybody, including myself. So. And I I will get into the the new updates about the hacker who got me on Twitter at some point, but not right now, but I just want y'all to know like, whoo, they working hard out here these days.

• 22:45Speaker 05

  It does sound, yeah, it sounds like a beyond a full-time job.

• 22:49Laci Mosley?

  It is, scamming is a profession, and I think that's what people forget. They think that people are lazy, they think that they're stupid, when in reality, they're just hardworking people who wanna do crime.

• 23:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:02Laci Mosley?

  If you give anything your all, you can be successful, okay? I'm sure a lot of scammers watch like Oscar speeches and shit and were like, you can be whoever you wanna be, and they're like, okay, I can be a bank robber.

• 23:14Speaker 05

  They're talking to me, yeah.

• 23:16Laci Mosley?

  Some people take that as, I could be president. Other people are like, I could do financial crimes a lot. I believe in myself.

• 23:22Speaker 05

  I can scam with fire sticks.

• 23:25Laci Mosley?

  You could be the future of fraud, guys. Believe in yourselves.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  That's all. And it's time for me to regale Kristen with a famous con caper group of criminals. We'll see if we like them, see if we hate them. So we're going back to nineteen eighty-eight.

• 23:39Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 23:40Laci Mosley?

  A twenty-three-year-old Wall Street whiz kid was caught stealing millions from his friends to invest in the stock market. However, instead of increasing the wealth of the hundred of his closest friends and associates, he became a professional lush. Oh, no, he gave all the money to Gregos?

• 23:57Speaker 05

  What were they drinking in eighty-eight?

• 23:59Laci Mosley?

  Right, how you stealing from a hundred people for for cocktails? Feels like you don't need that much money.

• 24:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:05Laci Mosley?

  So we have a picture here. David's on the right. So David's investment scheme began when he was just a freshman at Duke University in nineteen eighty-two.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 24:16Laci Mosley?

  So he's probably just what, like eighteen, seventeen?

• 24:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:20Laci Mosley?

  An entrepreneur. Along with other students, they formed a seemingly legitimate investment pool that generated eight thousand dollars with inflation that's about twenty grand today.

• 24:30Speaker 05

  Not bad.

• 24:31Laci Mosley?

  That's a good, I mean, I guess you're at Duke, so kids, parents probably have more money than most, cuz I'm like, you got this from college students?

• 24:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, it it definitely sounds like they had monopoly money at their disposal, you know?

• 24:44Laci Mosley?

  Right, they weren't stretching twenty dollars over a week? Like, normal college students, they weren't eating ramen. You you know how they always have to have those little information sessions in dorms? And for some reason, there's always something targeted towards like the cis male, uh, college students. It's like, hey, guys, if you put ramen in the microwave, make sure you put water with it. Please don't start a fire. And every year, there's a microwave fire from some freshman who can't cook a ramen noodle.

• 25:08Speaker 05

  Oh, man, that's, oh, I believe the children are the future. You know, that's, that's right there.

• 25:15Laci Mosley?

  I can't even judge. I look, he started a small fire. I left a flat iron on when I went to a football game and like incinerated a chair. It was all good, though, like, the building did burn down, just like the chair got a little melted.

• 25:26Speaker 05

  I did that with a, with a curling iron once and like left a brown stain on my counter. So, yeah, yeah.

• 25:33Laci Mosley?

  Red of passage.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  That was all of us. We're all fire hazards, Lacey.

• 25:38Laci Mosley?

  We're all fire hazards. That's the big lesson of this episode. Don't worry, guys. It's okay if you burn something to the ground. So, Smokey, we ain't listen to that bear and we ain't listen to that lion from Dare, you know? Sorry, we failed you both. I know Smokey's like, only you can prevent. I'm sorry, Smokey. You're gonna have to find somebody else to prevent the forest fires. Damn. So with some measure of success on the books, David was easily able to attract investors to business after he graduated with a degree in art history in nineteen eighty-five. So you didn't even get a degree in finance?

• 26:11Speaker 05

  He must have been rich then if he left Duke with an art history degree.

• 26:16Laci Mosley?

  And you're not even getting into like, I don't know, selling like high-end paintings? Like, you're not working at Sotheby's?

• 26:21Speaker 05

  He was, he just wanted to be able to like be obnoxious at his like rich, rich person parties, maybe when he was making all of his scam money.

• 26:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he wouldn't got a bougie degree. He was like, what's gonna make me bougier? Not necessarily into the workforce, just bougie. Love it. So David said he tried to repay Duke later by pledging one million dollars to create an endowment fund for Duke's art museum to buy paintings by American artists. However, the school said that less than a hundred thousand dollars had been paid. I mean. He gave y'all a hundred G's like. Come on universities, that's more than you're gonna get out of most of your students. That's the most ghetto thing. You graduate. And then immediately the alumni association is like, hey, you wanna donate? I'm like, no, girl. I just donated for like tuition. What do you mean? They're like, yeah, but you got a job yet? You wanna give back? No.

• 27:12Laci Mosley?

  I don't, not yet. Or maybe ever, college is a scam. So at the same time, in the eighteen months following his graduation, David acquired nearly five million dollars worth of art and three million dollars worth of real estate. I think you're right, Kristen. He had to have been rich already. He got automobiles, jewelry, and furniture. And he's, he's just a little guy. Right. Well, you're, this is the biggest success story straight out of college I've ever heard. So David was even featured in the New York Times Magazine as one of Wall Street's newest breed of private investors, whose bigger ambitions included building an important art collection. Okay, so he was tying in art the whole time. He was like, I rob people. I love art. These are my passions.

• 27:57Laci Mosley?

  Okay, but wait. Picasso. I'm sure you're gonna tell me, but I feel like the art's a scam. He's keeping it in the brand though. He's keeping the brand strong, just like you. That's good, that's good. Just like you scraps. Okay, I'm not gonna call you that no more. I don't know if this is triggering. It's not, no, it's not. I just love it. It's just very funny. So, in an article, he said, first I decided what I want to buy. Then I worry about how I'm going to pay for it. Wow, cool. So he's like Elon Musk. Literally, literally, a, a supervillain, Lex Luthor. Cause I'm like, most average people are like, oh, I guess we do figure out like, oh, I want this, but then we save to pay for it, or we figure out if we have it in our budget or our bank accounts, but I don't.

• 28:41Laci Mosley?

  He's just like, I don't know, I wanna buy a bridge. I'll figure out how to get it. Yeah. I love the confidence. It turns out he skipped a step in making money from his clients by not investing their money in the stock market at all. Oops. Uh oh. Oh, when y'all had gave me the money, y'all had wanted me to, y'all had wanted me to do something with it other than. Buy automobiles? Oh, y'all should have been more specific. When y'all gave me the money, I didn't know you wanted me to like, invest it and like make it back and get dividends and returns. Oops. I thought it was a gift, a donation of sorts to the arts. Do you not love art? I thought you really believed in my lifestyle. You weren't sponsoring me. This wasn't a scholarship.

• 29:27Laci Mosley?

  I love it.

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• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  So the first Ponzi scheme, because obviously this is a Ponzi scheme. When you take people's money, you say you're going to invest it and you just use it and you don't invest it. We're working on a Ponzi scheme. Shout out to Bernie Madoff. I'm looking down on you, thinking about you right now. Love you so much.

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  So he told his clients that he would acquire stocks and options on their behalf through the New York brokerage houses. But instead, he fraudulently created fake statements showing non-existent trades. That's the business. You cook up, you get on Photoshop, you cook the books. That's so much, but like we were saying, that's so much work. You fry the figures, saute the numbers. Because scamming is a job. Just because he wasn't doing the right thing doesn't mean he wasn't working very hard. It's a lot to keep up with. So as an investment advisor who held a lot of other people's money, David would also... Be required to register with the S E C, the Securities and Exchange Commission. He did not. So he's investing for people as just some dude.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  He's just gone rogue, like just, just a free agent.

• 33:31Laci Mosley?

  Cause I know, yeah, I just consult for investing. The S E C don't need to know about me. It's like if you were like, we've talked about this before, like I do braces. There are people on Instagram and businesses are like, I do braces. You can't just do braces. You gotta be.

• 33:47Laci Mosley?

  Like, no, no, no. We skipped out that orthodontist stuff. I do, I just do braces. Do you want some?

• 33:54Laci Mosley?

  So when his clients wish to withdraw their money, he used other clients' accounts to pay them off, otherwise known as, yes, a Ponzi scheme. That's where you just move money around so that people think that they're making money so that they don't blow the whistle on you. When you're like, oh, oh, so when you gave me money, you wanted some back? Oh, that's crazy. Okay, okay. I see what I can do. So in order to create the impression that he was making money, David continued to buy lavish and very expensive items. And we've talked about this, just because you see somebody having like a nice watch or a nice car. It doesn't mean that they have money. A lot of people do that to convince you so that you will give them money. So additionally, he incorporated under the name Greater Sutton Investor Group Incorporated. Wow, very official.

• 34:38Laci Mosley?

  Four, four names there and opened an office at nine West fifty, fifty seventh street, a block away from Central Park. So that's expensive real estate, even in the eighties. And I always think about New York and I think about what Darren Starr did to my brain when it comes to New York City. Cause I grew up like, and as a kid, I would watch Sex and the City, you know, whenever I could sneak it and my mom was watching it. And I thought New York was this fabulous place where a writer could have a, a nice rent control apartment and spend all her money on Manolo Blahniks. And you know, that was normal. It's like, no, New York City is expensive.

• 35:14Speaker 05

  And you could go for endless brunches. Everything was very clean. Oh, man.

• 35:20Laci Mosley?

  I think, uh, I need to run like a three A M. ad. It's just like, if you are a loved one, move to New York City. Because you saw Sex and the City and thought you could be Carrie Bradshaw, you might be entitled to damage. It's like Carrie, you ain't tell us about all these rats. You didn't tell us we couldn't walk at nineteen blocks in Manolo Blahniks.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  And then, not to totally derail us, but did you watch In Just Like That?

• 35:47Laci Mosley?

  You know I watched that mess.

• 35:49Speaker 05

  It just reminded me of whatever episode it was where Carrie just like walked the length of Manhattan because she couldn't sleep. She's just prancing around. I'm pretty sure she was in, of course, in heels that day.

• 36:02Laci Mosley?

  In a gown.

• 36:03Speaker 05

  And I'm over here with goddamn bunions and sneakers, Lacey. Like, that is a lie.

• 36:09Laci Mosley?

  She lied to us. She straight up lied to us. And like, and just like that, huh, they really got us with that because I was just like, I don't know, more Sex and the City. Yes, it was problematic and no, they never wrote black people well, which is one of my favorite things about Sex and the City. It's like one of the few episodes where they have Samantha dating a black guy. Of course, she's like, he's black. He's big blocks. Like, it's so extra. But they have a fight in the club where she gets in a fight with his sister because his sister doesn't want him to be with her. And when the fight breaks out, he pops back up, this black man.

• 36:46Laci Mosley?

  He breaks up the fight and he says, keep it real, keep it real. No black person has ever used keep it real like this. And this is so funny.

• 36:58Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 37:00Laci Mosley?

  They watched one nineties music video. We're like, we got it.

• 37:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would, I would like to see, you know, because they did like the podcast, like Writer's Room for, and Just Like That. I would love like the Writer's Room backstory, just for, just for that episode. You know, it's like, walk, walk us, walk us through. Let's, uh.

• 37:19Laci Mosley?

  And that podcast was given, hello fellow kids. I was like, we know about podcasts and Carrie has one. Like, what?

• 37:27Speaker 05

  Well, that's the thing. Okay, I felt like I did feel. So scammed when I saw the first episode of Just Like That and Just Like That. Because I fancied myself a young Carrie Bradshaw. You know, I smoked cigarettes and, you know, and wrote my little things and overshared about sex.

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  I couldn't, you couldn't help but wonder.

• 37:48Speaker 05

  I couldn't, there were so many things I couldn't help but wonder. And if you had told me back then, like, hey, guess what? Um, you are gonna end up doing the same thing as Carrie Bradshaw. She's actually gonna start doing what your job is. And she's gonna be a podcaster. I was like, this, it's not supposed to be like this.

• 38:10Laci Mosley?

  No, this is embarrassing.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  Here we are. So David's got this office near Central Park. He hired, this is in quotes, two employees to answer phones and mail. And had stationery printed, because you gotta look official. So he's got the official letterhead of, we do business for real. Give us your money, we definitely will give it back to you, da business. But he kept no accurate business records and disclosed no financial information to his clients or anyone else. Because he didn't have any. What was he supposed to say? I stole it? Would you like a letterhead? You don't want that on a letterhead?

• 38:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, if you're gonna get the letterhead, you can at least, you know, put some fake charts on it or something.

• 38:52Laci Mosley?

  Just several fake charts and just the lines.

• 38:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, uh, an arrow going up, up, up, up, up.

• 38:58Laci Mosley?

  Yep. Money, money, money. We're in the black, black, black, black.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  It just says, you're rich, congratulations.

• 39:07Laci Mosley?

  There's no, like, map on it. There's no, like, information on what the numbers mean. Like, you didn't even, what is a, like, on a line graph? You have, like, the tall part and then the long part. I've been out of business school for a while.

• 39:19Speaker 05

  It's just the, like, uh, the emoji, the smile emoji with, like, the, the dollar sign, like, tongue.

• 39:24Laci Mosley?

  That's what he just calls it. He calls it the length and the width. And they're like, sir, there's no numbers here, nothing correlates. He's like, you see, it's going up high and it's going long wide. You're making money. What's happening? Still, he continued to keep and attract clients by falsely claiming his clientele included the Sultan of Brunei, the Rockefeller family, and Bill Cosby.

• 39:46Laci Mosley?

  Well, that's the only, he said he was selling all the Jell-O pudding, because this is the eighties.

• 39:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was about to say, that is the most like, like, peak eighties, uh, fake client portfolio.

• 39:58Laci Mosley?

  Ever. The Rockefellers, Assultin and Bill Cosby. Okay. Over the course of two years, David collected over ten million dollars from a hundred clients and friends, primarily friends of his parents. Ooh, damn, now your parents can't even go to dinner parties. They, you've ruined the social reputation.

• 40:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, holiday parties are gonna be awkward.

• 40:23Laci Mosley?

  They're getting no invites. They're not getting Christmas cards, nothing. Everybody talking cash shit when they come in the country club. Nobody wants to do doubles tennis with them anymore.

• 40:32Speaker 05

  Like a hush falls over the dining room.

• 40:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah. They walk into the room and it's just falls silent every time. Ooh, wow. But eventually, David couldn't continue paying out his clients for one another. And in March nineteen eighty-eight, at the age of twenty-three, he was caught and charged with mail insecurities fraud. We talked about this a billion times, y'all. Don't do your crime through the mail. The US Postal Service will pull the fuck up and they'll put you in cuffs and drive you away. It won't even be no doors on the van.

• 41:01Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 41:02Laci Mosley?

  He's just hanging on till you get to the precinct, okay? The mailman will put you in jail. They'll do crap through mail.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  Oh, they're gonna throw you in the back of like a little mail carrier?

• 41:16Laci Mosley?

  And I hope you don't fall out on the way to jail, okay? They've got no seat belts for you. He was sentenced to eight years in prison and had to surrender forty paintings by great American artists. His two million dollar East Hampton House, his Upper East Side condo, and his two cars. And one was an Aston Martin and the other was a Mercedes Benz. So he had to give up all the loot. Oh, wow, that's so eighties.

• 41:40Speaker 05

  I do, I, I do like it though.

• 41:42Laci Mosley?

  This is the most eighties car I've ever seen. Like, this eighties car, now I'm coughing on hairspray. Like, what? But that was nice for the time. I was like, oh, he got the whip. It's very long. In the eighties, they really loved a long front of a car.

• 41:56Speaker 05

  It reminds me of, I forget the car that they drove in Ferris Bueller's, but the Mercedes has that vibe.

• 42:04Laci Mosley?

  It does. I guess it's given sporty and aerodynamic for the time. But I don't know why everybody was like, hey, instead of having more room in the car, let's just make the front so long.

• 42:15Laci Mosley?

  True. Well, it's very phallic, right? It is. It's like, people will see the front of your car and then five minutes later, they'll see you. When you pull up, like, why is it so long? What if it was a limo, but for people to drive normally? Oh, yeah, the Aston Martin is popping, and they're both red, so he was definitely trying to get, you know, attention. Oh, yeah. Yeah, and so it's like a spider. Do you think he picked up a lot of babes in those cars? Oh, you know, the wind was blowing through their overly processed hair, and I love that for them. I love it. The S E C also prohibited David from ever again working in the industry or associating with investment at all. So he couldn't be a securities dealer, he couldn't be an investment advisor,

• 42:57Laci Mosley?

  and he couldn't work for any brokerage company. They were like, you are now banned from gambling with uh, government subsidy funds from corporations who have too much money and way too much help. Uh, they kicked him off the table. I mean, that doesn't sound that bad. I mean, eight years in the clean, that's the thing, financial fraud will put you in jail jail. Which I've always been like, they didn't murder anybody, they stole people's money. I don't know how beneficial it is for taxpayer dollars to go towards them being in a, you know, cushy prison. However, David's career of fraud did not end in the eighties. He said, okay. He was in jail at twenty-three, that's really young. So if he only got eight years, he's getting out at thirty-one. I guess at that point, too, that's kind of all he knows.

• 43:42Laci Mosley?

  Right, and now his reputation is destroyed, so what else is he gonna do but crime? How's he gonna pick up babes anymore?

• 43:50Laci Mosley?

  He's walking now. They gotta feel the wind through their hair on the street. David was released from prison in nineteen ninety-four, but was back in the game by nineteen ninety-nine. In two thousand, he was caught again for grand larceny and violations of business law after stealing another fifty thousand dollars and scheming to defraud at least ten people. Can't stop, won't stop.

• 44:13Laci Mosley?

  He spent another five years in prison and was repo- paroled in two thousand six. At this point, I feel like he's going to prison. He's like, let me get that bed that I had last time. A few years later, he met his next mark, the woman, ah, no. Who would take him to California. David met Nancy Ozies or Ozies in a Manhattan bar and immediately charmed her. No, he told her he was an investor, but offered few details. She was like, oh, where? He was like, you know, places. The present.

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  No details. But Nancy was wise enough to look him up and discovered his criminal history. When she confronted him, he apologized and said he was going to change.

• 45:03Speaker 05

  Sure. They all do, Nancy.

• 45:05Laci Mosley?

  Right. Nancy, I'll change for you. I know I've been to jail several times, but now, now that I'm with you. I'm different. Oh, is this them together? Nancy, you are too cute to let this man do this to you.

• 45:18Speaker 05

  That's an, they're an interesting match.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  Nancy probably was a powerful woman who was lonely and she was like, look, I'm just trying to get consistent dick in the crazy New York streets.

• 45:30Speaker 05

  She was like, I just want to be with a, with a man who's comfortable being a little bit shorter than me. And I don't, cause I don't care about that.

• 45:37Laci Mosley?

  Doesn't mind when I wear heels.

• 45:39Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 45:40Laci Mosley?

  We stand a short king. We do.

• 45:44Speaker 05

  I'm coming around to David now.

• 45:49Laci Mosley?

  He's so ambitious. We love him, David. What's her number?

• 45:53Laci Mosley?

  We call him. So the two married in two thousand and nine and moved to Los Angeles in twenty eleven. No, Nancy, Nancy, the flags were there and you found them.

• 46:06Speaker 05

  Was it, but it wasn't true love?

• 46:08Laci Mosley?

  Maybe, but it seems like he needed more, her more than she needed him.

• 46:12Speaker 05

  Oh, well, yeah, yeah.

• 46:14Laci Mosley?

  And that's what men want to get married, straight ones at least.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  You are too good for me. Somebody get the government involved. Right now, I want to make it difficult for her to leave.

• 46:24Speaker 05

  Exactly. You'll have to get lawyers in order to break this up.

• 46:28Laci Mosley?

  And it will take so much time and so much more money than when we got married.

• 46:34Laci Mosley?

  So he struggled to find work, though according to Nancy, she didn't see him running any scams at the time. He eventually lost his job at an ad firm, but money continued to roll in and they lived in a million dollar loft in Venice. I love how. What? Just white men, they persevere. He done been to jail fifty eleven times. Them scammed his whole, all his cousins, all his parents, friends and family. And yet he gets an ad sales job and now he's living in a million dollar home with Nancy. So Nancy gets frustrated, but was stuck in a marriage her family and friends didn't approve of.

• 47:15Laci Mosley?

  On the other side of the country. Yeah, that's why he wanted to marry you, girl, so he could make it difficult for you to run away. Imagine coming home, you married a man, they sitting on your couch. He eating wise potato chips. Oh, no, not the wise. Watching daytime TV. You tired, you come home, feet hurting, you been working all day, fighting the patriarchy and they're like, hey babe. Hey, Nancy. How's the office? I put in a bunch of, uh, job applications today. I haven't heard anything back yet. Yeah, David, it's been, it's been three years. You need to get a job. Look, babe, I'm trying, just nobody wants to hire. And then, and you know what he does.

• 47:58Laci Mosley?

  It's affirmative action. The black people are taking all the jobs, babe. I bet that's the point when he like breaks down and he's like, you know, I'm trying. You know, I am Nancy. I love you, Nancy. Come on, Nancy, I'll eat your Gucci tonight. Come on. With wise potato chips.

• 48:17Laci Mosley?

  So the bubble finally popped when in twenty seventeen Nancy came home to find a collection of notices for credit cards that had been opened in her name. Oh, not it. See, this is why you cannot. If you see the flags, if you see that you are dealing with a homosexual, you cannot do it. It's not worth the companionship. They always will fuck up your credit. It's the first thing they go for. They will ruin your credit. So he had been paying for his international business trips and vacations with Nancy's money. So when she thought he had money, he was really swiping cards in her name. Nancy, how did you not notice that when he pulled out the billfold, you didn't check any of the receipts where you're at? You're like, Nancy, why does it say Nancy?

• 49:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, Nance, I'm.

• 49:06Laci Mosley?

  Nance, I at least hope that David could fuck, because if he couldn't, then what, what are we even doing? So at the same time, David was swindling at least two Venice business owners out of a hundred thousand dollars after he offered to help them earn returns when a large amount of equipment was stolen from them. So he stepped in and was like, oh, I'll work with your insurance. No, no, no, you don't need to get on the phone with State Farm. I got it. I got, no, no, no, no. I, they're gonna mail the check to my house and then I'll reroute it to you.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  And they're like, that sounds great.

• 49:38Laci Mosley?

  So after David ghosted them, they sued him and Nancy both for fraud, believing she was in on it. Nancy filed for divorce in June twenty seventeen. Damn Nancy.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  Finally.

• 49:52Laci Mosley?

  This man drug you to hell, fucked up your credit, now you in court looking crazy. All for this man that you knew was a two-time criminal when you met him.

• 50:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, because I just remembered Nancy did her homework at first. And caught him as a scammer and yet believed him when he told her he would reform. What? Okay.

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  And nothing, nothing about his behave, like, I'm sorry, if, if I catch you, it's just not enough charm in the world. There's not enough charm in the world. And look, this is not discrimination against anybody who's been in the carceral system, because a lot of people end up there because of the circumstances they're born in or what they look like, how they identify. Uh, there's a lot of reasons that people get wrapped up into what our government is doing, which is basically still slavery. But. This man went to jail for eight years for fraud. And then came out and said, let me do a little bit, let me get it one more piece. And went back again, I'm sorry, two strikes. No. No. And he had enough resources to obviously get other jobs. He got a job at an ad sales firm.

• 51:06Laci Mosley?

  He came from privileged. There's no excuse. Nancy, you brought this on yourself, sis. I'm so sorry. But I know sometimes we be down bad. It's lonely out here and cold. And you know, that, that, that body pillow can only do so much.

• 51:23Laci Mosley?

  Nancy, you gotta go get you a vibrator or something, sis, because.

• 51:28Speaker 05

  And a vibrator.

• 51:29Laci Mosley?

  Yep.

• 51:32Laci Mosley?

  Okay, it keep you warm at night and you can go to sleep easy. So David admitted to the fraud and the case against him settled in twenty nineteen. For several months in twenty twenty one, David resurfaced.

• 51:45Laci Mosley?

  Making die, so he was going to dive bars like the frolic room. And he would make it his office. He once again promised windfalls to anyone who fell for his lies. That he could sell them stocks before they went public. So now he's like, I'm on the inside of insider trading. You thought Martha Stewart knew? Nah. I'm your guy. One anonymous restaurant owner gave David thirty thousand dollars for early access to shares of Soho House. A members only club in West Hollywood after the restaurant went out of business. The shares and the property David also tried to offer them didn't exist. Duh.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:26Laci Mosley?

  When does anything existed?

• 52:28Speaker 05

  That's what you get for wanting like an early in on Soho House.

• 52:32Laci Mosley?

  Making a snappy rich people club? Let me get an early in on that. David was like imagination. That's all he was operating on, imagination and charm. At the time, David was living at the luxury villa Carlotta Apartments in Franklin Village, across from the Church of Scientology Celebrity Center. I know exactly where this is. Damn, David.

• 52:56Speaker 05

  Are they nice?

• 52:57Laci Mosley?

  This is a good grift. Uh, they're cute, and like Franklin Village is cute. Many, especially during this time, I'm over there a lot. There's UCB Franklin over there, so I'm over there a lot. So, he, he, he made the right choice. Many of his neighbors would become his victims, which ended up being his downfall yet again. So, he's, he's like, oh, I got popping neighbors, everybody. I know what they rent costs. I know what it costs to live over here. They got money. And I'm gonna get it from them. Several residents who hadn't seen returns on their investments started talking. And eventually, one did a Google search on David, which turned up his criminal past. Why wouldn't you do a Google search on anybody before you give them your money?

• 53:35Speaker 05

  Yeah. I'm doing a Google search on people before I give them my coochie. I'm definitely doing a Google search before I give you my money. I'm so curious, like, what kind of charisma he has.

• 53:46Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 53:47Speaker 05

  Cause it doesn't come through photos like, yeah.

• 53:51Laci Mosley?

  But oftentimes, it doesn't.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  Right.

• 53:54Laci Mosley?

  Cause some people, you know, they, ah, listen.

• 53:57Speaker 05

  That's what I tell people about my photos, that my charisma doesn't come through.

• 54:02Laci Mosley?

  No, but wait till you see me, though. Wait till you see me.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Now, in photos, I look like scraps, okay? But, but you get me, get me live, there's a little bit more there, alright?

• 54:13Laci Mosley?

  You're gonna like it. You're gonna be enticed, okay? I promise you. They confronted him at his apartment, where he denied the scam, then promised to pay them in the morning. Yes, angry mob. Y'all better get pitchforks. Y'all better go to Hobby Lobby and get some torches, tiki torches, and show, pull up. I love an angry mob. I wish I could see the email thread of like, okay, so when is everyone available to do the angry mob at David's house? Wednesdays at 8pm were great for me. Uh, I can, I can make a win to me. We can make a Google Doc. Like, we got this.

• 54:48Speaker 05

  You know that it was just an endless, endless scheduling thread.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  Let's make a WhatsApp because you know Craig's still got a Android and we can we can coordinate this. We can schedule our angry mob. So David moved out not long after duh because all his neighbors hated him and all of the neighbors slash victims were seeking restitution. Oh, I know that Nextdoor app was popping.

• 55:15Laci Mosley?

  For the following year, he continued to bounce around Hollywood nabbing similar small thefts. He was arrested on suspicion of 12 counts of grand theft on August 9, 2022 and released after posting $45,000 bail. This man is still out here.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 55:33Laci Mosley?

  Since the 80s. My guy has been robbing people for almost 40 years. That is a career. This is Hall of Fame.

• 55:41Speaker 05

  It is wild how he is able to just kind of seems like bounce just in and out of the carceral system. Like he's just like, oh, you got me again, fellas. All right, here's 45K. All right, let me out of here.

• 55:54Laci Mosley?

  Like he playing cops and robbers. He's like, tag, oh, I'm it. Okay, I'll see y'all at the precinct. Like what? Sir. His case is currently being reviewed for charging and his current activities are unknown, which means you know, he is still out here in these streets and these cul-de-sacs and these boulevards robbing people.

• 56:20Speaker 05

  Lacey, I bet. He was the guy Doris called about the fire stick. He had an official sounding voice.

• 56:31Laci Mosley?

  He's got small grips. He's got large grips. He's the scammer who took over my Twitter account. He's hard at work. This man is the hardest working man in crime. Okay. He needs to retire with a full 401k. Okay. Give this man his social security because he's earned it. Okay. No one's working harder in crime. No one's more dedicated.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, maybe he's just bored when he's not scamming.

• 56:58Laci Mosley?

  Because you don't do this for this long, especially if he had other opportunities like the advertising firm, like the rich wife Nancy. He couldn't just laid up with Nancy, gave her some good dick, rubbed her shoulders. You know, listen to her stories about how, you know, Janelle in accounting is trying to thwart her business. And you know, he could have just stopped. He had so many opportunities to stop. So he has a passion. Yes, I think that is the word for it. It's passion. He's got a passion for fraud. Okay, he can't stop. It's his calling. One victim said he already went to prison. It's not going to change anything. He doesn't know how to work differently. Now that victim, you're right. Yeah.

• 57:40Laci Mosley?

  Because this is how he works. This is his talent. Why would he give up his skill? He's perfected it. He got all the y'all. I can't imagine robbing people where I live. That just feels so precarious. Like I checked my mail, I'm gonna get accosted by a mob. Like that just feels, I'm not gonna rob, I'm sure right. Well, it's the same thing he did to Nancy, right? Oh, yeah. He was, he was living with her and robbing her. So you're right. And that's even worse. You're going to bed every night next to the person that you are robbing. Like, oh, you want to watch Jimmy Fallon? Boo. Also, what's your mom's favorite car?

• 58:19Laci Mosley?

  What's the first elementary school you went to, baby? I just want to know more about you. Remind me the name of your first pet. I love that story. It was my favorite. It was a bird, right? Tell, tell me more about it. And also the name and the spelling. And did you use any caps when you spelled it? What's your favorite two numbers to put in a password at the end? Baby, how was work? What's your favorite special character? What? This is terrible. But guys, that brings us to the saddest part of the show, the end where I have to let Kristen go. But before we do that. Scammer of the week. This is where we honor a charlatan who's worthy of our praise, or maybe not.

• 59:04Laci Mosley?

  We'll see. Might be a business, might be a group of people, we'll see. So today we're talking about professional cornhole. Okay, that's just like a whole thing. Okay, so it's been rocked by controversy after illegal bean bags were used in the 2022 American Cornhole League World Championship in August. So if you don't know what cornhole is, you probably don't have many white friends. I do.

• 59:31Speaker 05

  I feel like the, uh, the Venn diagram of cornhole players and pickleball enthusiasts is close to a circle.

• 59:40Laci Mosley?

  They're both in the circle.

• 59:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:41Laci Mosley?

  You know, cornhole is white people's spades, okay? You go to any white people cookout, they gonna had them cornholes popping. If you don't know what it is, it's like you separate these two wooden boxes away from each other. And the boxes have holes in them at the top. So the point of the game is you throw a bean bag and you wanna land the bean bag through someone else's hole. That's how you get the most points. But if you throw a bean bag and you land it on the box and not in the hole, that still counts for like lesser points. I'm doing this, I'm not reading anything, y'all. I just, I, I, I played a lot of cornhole in my life. Also, you can knock off points from the other team by throwing a bean bag and knocking like a bean bag off of theirs. Like, you know what I mean?

• 1:00:26Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. Kinda like with croquet, like you can kinda like knock their

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so you can also like help yourself win that way. But yeah, you're literally never gonna go to a, um, white barbecue function and not see cornhole, not if they're the real ones, okay? So I didn't know that they had a profession, I mean, they had a professional everything. You can go to the Olympics for power walking, so why am I shocked?

• 1:00:49Speaker 05

  I also love that the sponsor is, uh, Bush's Baked Beans.

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  And it's just these bur- this one guy who's jacked, wearing, you know, Bush's baked beans across his chest.

• 1:01:02Laci Mosley?

  And Epsom salt, the two key seasoning.

• 1:01:07Laci Mosley?

  Barbecue. It's just the girl with the umbrella.

• 1:01:12Laci Mosley?

  So the incident has been dubbed Bag Gate and came with a fifteen thousand dollar cash prize at stake. So you know, when you get money involved, like people will find a way to cheat if they can. Player Devon Harbour has complained that a rival component, Mark Richards and Philip Lopez, used bags that were smaller than regulation during the finals. So if the bag's smaller, it can go through the hole easier. Cause you know, sometimes it'll like bounce off the hole or land right on the hole. And that little bit of the bag will go in, but not the whole piece. I know what's happening here. Officials investigated on the spot and determined that none of the bags used by either team were regulations. So y'all tried to snitch and y'all bags were not regulation either.

• 1:01:57Laci Mosley?

  Wow, that's some audacity. How are you gonna be cheating and be like, look over there?

• 1:02:00Speaker 05

  I, from the looks of these guys too, I'm just imagining like their, you know, secret bean bag like meetups of like, oh dude, we gotta stuff the bags. Like they're very, they're very bro. Like I want to hear them talking about like, oh.

• 1:02:18Laci Mosley?

  Also, I want to imagine bros like in the basement sewing, like I got my grandma's sewing machine. We're not losing the fifteen K this year, bro.

• 1:02:28Laci Mosley?

  Give me those little lead weights. I know I, I went on Pinterest. I learned how to sew on YouTube. Let's do it.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Oh man, do you have a thimble? Like I always poke my thumb.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it hurts. Also, why is the professional cornhole league letting you bring your own bean bags in the first place?

• 1:02:44Speaker 05

  That's a great question, Lacey. That, cause that seems like, isn't that part of, like with professional sports, like they supply. You're not bringing your own basketball to an NBA game.

• 1:02:57Laci Mosley?

  Right. LeBron don't come with his own ball. No, this is the ball I like to use. No, they have balls there. What do you mean? So this is kind of on the league. Cause why are y'all letting them bring their own bags anyway?

• 1:03:07Speaker 05

  Probably because it's the cornhole league.

• 1:03:11Laci Mosley?

  Okay, you're right. They don't got a budget that high. Cut that half a bunch. Look, we're doing this cornhole league, but we ain't got enough money for all these bags. So y'all gonna bring your own bags. Also bring your own cornholes.

• 1:03:23Speaker 05

  Wood prices are pretty high right now and they they need that just to like build the little, you know, the cornholes.

• 1:03:28Laci Mosley?

  If you would like to throw on grass, please go to Home Depot and get your own AstroTurf and unroll it. Like what? So this whole thing is a scam. It's also giving that the cornhole of, you know, championship is a scam itself. So according to the ACL regulations, cornhole bags must be six by six inches when laid flat and weigh sixteen ounces. With minor violations tolerated, because duh, y'all scamming too. You told people to bring their own bags. This is not Publix. This is not Ralph's. We don't bring our own bags. Provide the bags. The bags used were thinner, which was advantageous by the players, because if it's a thinner bag, then the weight of it isn't gonna sit if it's on the side of the hole. So if part of it goes in the hole, it's all gonna slide in the hole.

• 1:04:13Laci Mosley?

  According to the, according to the ACL, top players earned as much as two hundred and fifty thousand a year from winnings, sponsorship deals, endorsements. Meaning that players sometimes do anything they can to give them a leg up in the fast-growing sport.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  Oh, man.

• 1:04:33Laci Mosley?

  Two hundred and fifty K?

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  That's a lot of money, but ah, you're gonna have to be wearing a lot of Bush's Baked Bean logos.

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  Like a NASCAR player, but it's just, it's not even Epsom salt. I said Epsom. I don't even know what the name of the the little girl with the in the salt is.

• 1:04:50Speaker 05

  Little Morton's salt girl? I like it as Epsom salt though, because it's like, oh.

• 1:04:55Laci Mosley?

  That's for baths.

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  It's like tough day after, full day of bagging. You need to soak.

• 1:05:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh, right. If your back throwing arm is getting sore, Epsom salt. I imagine they're sponsored by the most random.

• 1:05:09Laci Mosley?

  People, maybe like tomato ketchup, like kinds would get involved.

• 1:05:14Speaker 05

  Maybe I can see like an Axe body spray.

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, Axe would definitely get involved. Oh, that's a good sponsorship pitch. I'm trying to think, who else? Uh, Red Bull. I feel like they do anything over there.

• 1:05:27Speaker 05

  I don't know, would it, would it be, I feel like Red Bull might get cornholeers too amped, you know?

• 1:05:33Laci Mosley?

  Monster? Who's, who's the sports, the, the sports drink for cornhole? I feel like it's an energy drink for sure. Mountain Dew?

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:43Laci Mosley?

  Do the do.

• 1:05:44Speaker 05

  Do the do, bag the bag.

• 1:05:46Laci Mosley?

  Do the, y'all work it out, but these feel likely. The players involved denied that they boiled their bags, which can cause shrinkage. And the tournament was allowed to continue. They were like, we don't care.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  They're out here boiling bags?

• 1:06:02Laci Mosley?

  Boiling bags, I guess. We thought they used sewing machines. Apparently it's more scientific than that.

• 1:06:06Speaker 05

  They've got little lab coats, beakers.

• 1:06:09Laci Mosley?

  The next, uh, white barbecue I go to, I'm like, hold on y'all, one second, I just need to go in the kitchen real quick with all my cornhole bags.

• 1:06:17Laci Mosley?

  Y'all got a pot? It's just boiled. Why are your bags hot, Lacey? Like you throwing them, they're hot and they're wet.

• 1:06:24Speaker 05

  Really small and they're really hot.

• 1:06:27Laci Mosley?

  They're really hot and they're wet. I got splashed when it landed on the board. Yeah, you know what? I love this. Mark Richards won the pro singles and Philip Lopez won the pro blind draw, which is where partners draw blindly. So, wow. I mean, it looks like y'all were caught for scamming and then because the whole tournament is a scam, they're like, it's fine.

• 1:06:50Speaker 05

  You, you guys.

• 1:06:52Laci Mosley?

  Yo, you little rap scallions, y'all get out there with your little boiled bags.

• 1:06:58Laci Mosley?

  It's cornhole, who gives a fuck? I love that for everyone involved. And I also love that when they got caught, they were just like, eh.

• 1:07:07Laci Mosley?

  Let them keep going. Don't boil the bags, fellas. Guys, next time, just don't boil the bags. But that's fine right now. Like, what? Why even do the work of investigating if when you get the results, you don't care? Yeah, we've got a lot of questions for Big Cornhole.

• 1:07:29Laci Mosley?

  Big Cornhole is corrupt. I'm upset about that. If anywhere I thought they were being honest and true, it was Big Cornhole.

• 1:07:38Laci Mosley?

  But guys, that brings us to the end of another fun episode. Kristin, we always ask here, where would you like to be found? Anything you want to promote, any socials while they're still alive?

• 1:07:51Laci Mosley?

  You can listen to my podcast, Unladylike, anywhere you find podcasts. And you can follow Unladylike on Instagram, Twitter for now, and TikTok, at unladylike media. Yes. And as always, guys, you can send your friends, your family, and your enemies at [email protected]. Just make sure your scam is retired so we don't what? Yes, fuck up your bag. And if you want to follow me, I have all of my handles back. And I did post a video confirming that it is me. While there's still a Twitter, we'll see what Alante does to destroy it each and every day. D I V A L A C I, Diva Lacy on all platforms. If you want to follow the show and see the photos that we were referencing,

• 1:08:35Laci Mosley?

  scamgoddesspod on all platforms. Y'all know I'll be posting these later. Sorry, y'all. I have 12 jobs, but I will post the photos, I promise. Congregation, stay conquering.

• 1:08:54Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, aka Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Karkbo, engineered by Ryan Connor and Abby Aguilar. Our researcher is Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

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