#648 - Vince Vaughn

Vince Vaughn is an actor, writer and producer known for his roles in movies like Dodgeball, Wedding Crashers, Swingers and more. His new movie “Mike & Nick & Nick & Alice” premieres on Hulu this Friday 3/27. Vince joins Theo to talk about what he loved about growing up in the midwest, why old school football players were just built differently, and how he balances the good and bad parts of Hollywood. ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Prize Picks: Go to https://link.prizepicks.com/LME0/THEO and use code THEO to get $50 in lineups when you play your first $5 lineup! Play Responsibly. Moonpay: Head over to https://www.moonpay.com/theo to sign up Good Ranchers: Go to https://GoodRanchers.com and use my code THEO for $100 off your first three orders. AG1: Visit http://drinkag1.com/weekend to get an AG1 Flavor Sampler + a bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 FREE in your Welcome Kit with your first AG1 subscription. ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

  You ever realize that you spent your entire morning thinking about lunch? It's 9 a.m. and somehow I'm already in negotiations with myself about how I'm gonna spend $20 on a sandwich at noon. And then I eat it, or you eat it, or somebody eats it, and then an hour later, you're just standing in the kitchen worrying about what you'll do for dinner. And that's one reason why I've been into Huell. The Black Edition Powder is a complete meal you have instead of food, not a shake on top of food. Their powder starts at less than $3 per meal, has 40 grams of protein, and mixes with water or milk in about 30 seconds. I like Huell's shakes because they're clean and it's quick.

• 0:41Theo Von?

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• 1:23Theo Von?

  And I'm just prepping my material for my Netflix taping, and so be grateful to be down there. It'll be one of the last times to see the Return of the Rat Tour. Tickets are on sale now at theovon.com/TOUR if you can make it. Thank you for your support. Today's guest is an actor. He's known for just being that figure, that humor man. Wedding Crashers, Swingers, Dodgeball, Rudy, and the list goes on. His new movie, Mike and Nick and Nick and Alice, is on Hulu this Friday, March 27th. I had a great time with today's guest, Mr. Vince Vaughn.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  So do you have a place there?

• 2:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 2:25Theo Von?

  I've actually been thinking about moving recently.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 2:28Theo Von?

  I know, I'm kind of excited. I'm kind of scared.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  I'm always scared.

• 2:31Theo Von?

  You are?

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Well, when you make a new purchase.

• 2:33Theo Von?

  Yeah. I don't like to spend any money on anything. I just like to kind of keep it somewhere.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  Well, you also think like-

• 2:38Theo Von?

  Till the devil takes it or whatever.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, right. And you also feel sometimes, I think, like, uh, this is, you know, you kind of know what you have and how that works. And now, how does this change your spending and what you're doing? Because you always feel like, well, gosh, what happens if it, if it goes away, you know?

• 2:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, one of my friends said something to me the other day about buying a house. He goes, "Well, you could invest it in the stock market, or you could invest it in a home." He's like, "You can't live in the stock market."

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:05Theo Von?

  And that was kind of interesting to me because I was like, "Oh, yeah, well, at least if you put your money into a home, then you, if it's going up, then you're living in it while you have it."

• 3:12Speaker 01

  That's right. I mean, there's ways to look at it because you, I kind of looked at it because I was, I never was educated in any of it. So as I made money, I started to figure it out more. But I, I started to look at stuff like what makes me money every month? And then what costs you money every, every month? And so a house is kind of both because you have your property taxes.

• 3:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Especially here. And you also have your mortgage if you do, and the stuff that goes with it. But it can go up in value as well. So I started buying rental properties that I could rent out for that reason because it was tangible and I could make money every month off it. The market, I never studied it. But I guess if you do the S and P, I mean, I never spent my energy on that. But a house, I'm like, "This neighborhood's nice. I think it's going up. Okay, I'll buy something here."

• 3:52Theo Von?

  Like trusting your instincts about that?

• 3:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you're more exposed to it.

• 3:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's where you're driving through it or something, you're seeing things.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, like the old thing was like, "This neighborhood's not, this, these neighborhoods are good. Now this one's not. Okay, I'll buy there."

• 4:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 4:04Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, some, oh, there's been-

• 4:06Speaker 01

  But then you've got to balance it with what you enjoy in your life. You want to be happy where you're at.

• 4:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, you want to get something like, I don't know, I always hate, like, I never really want to invest in myself. I always, I'm just like a saver. I remember I would save my money. I would bury my money in the yard. I was that kind of it. I would go to people's homes and hide them.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  Like a fucking pirate.

• 4:22Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  You got a fucking treasure map and shit.

• 4:25Theo Von?

  I'm not even joking. They had these like Crown Royal bags when I was a kid and it was like the- Purple one with a gold.

• 4:30Speaker 01

  I remember those.

• 4:31Theo Von?

  And I would put my money in there and I would hide it in different places. I would hide it at friends who had better security in their homes.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Now, did they know?

• 4:39Theo Von?

  No, they had no idea. I would hide it there. Dude, we would steal people's silverware when we went to their house. Like, we were doing like this little things we'd seen on like Home Alone.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Mrs. Jones.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  You find out it's not silver later?

• 4:52Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 4:53Speaker 01

  Go to the pawn shop and argue with somebody.

• 4:56Theo Von?

  It's sterling silver.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Did you ever go try to dig it up and couldn't find it?

• 5:00Theo Von?

  Oh, no.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 5:02Theo Von?

  I always knew exactly where it was, you know? I would check on it, that kind of stuff. I was a big barrier, like burying stuff to make sure that it was okay. My grandparents had a basement growing up, and so I think that kind of added some mystery. Basements always added mystery.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Big time. And the scary.

• 5:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, did you have a basement or no?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  I did. One time I went to, everyone left the house. I was home by myself. I thought I'm gonna watch a fucking horror movie in the basement, because that was double scary. And I turned off all the lights in the house, because I really wanted the experience. I wasn't good at watching horror. I would get pressured and I'd do it and I'd play it cool. But then I was fucking terrified. I didn't like, I didn't like, my imagination was too strong. And I remember I turned this thing on and I was watching. It was The Evil Dead. You ever see The Evil Dead? And I was like, that's fucking it. I got to a point where I had enough. And so I got up to run to get the lights, but I hit a pole. And I went down. And then your mind's really playing tricks, like this is it, it's coming in. But I kind of crawled. Got my lights on, turned off the movie. I turned on every light in the house. But yeah, basements are, well, they're a magical place, because they can be a place of discovery too.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Right? I mean, good and bad happens in a basement.

• 6:04Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Well, I think they had like those cellar doors when you realize that like, because I never put it together for the first like few times. Those are my grandparents. It was just a basement and then was these outside weird doors that, and then like.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  You mean like the cellar, like where you had that little light come in and you knew you were underground? Like the outside had a little hole area?

• 6:21Theo Von?

  Well, they had like.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 6:22Theo Von?

  Like these. Like, did y'all have some of those?

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, hell yes.

• 6:25Theo Von?

  Yeah. So those, the fact that those doors would open up and go down in that little staircase. Yeah, my grandparents had a garden. They lived, they grew up in Illinois, and so they had a garden. Um, outside of Peoria, just a small town out there.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:38Theo Von?

  So.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, from the area.

• 6:40Theo Von?

  Um, you're from the area?

• 6:41Speaker 01

  Well, I grew up, my family originally was, you know, Virginia, my dad's side, and then Kentucky. But ended up in Ohio, and then my dad was a salesman, so we ended up in Illinois, yeah.

• 6:51Theo Von?

  Oh, nice. What did he sell?

• 6:52Speaker 01

  Toys.

• 6:53Theo Von?

  Nah.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Super cool.

• 6:55Theo Von?

  He said toys around the house a lot?

• 6:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, he had a lot of toys. He'd give me like samples and stuff.

• 6:59Theo Von?

  Yeah, samples were the best, dude. If your parent was so-

• 7:03Speaker 01

  Cause you were kind of ahead, right?

• 7:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, I mean, you had a bunch of something. I mean, I don't know, you know? It was weird. Like, I had one friend, his dad sold Oakley sunglasses, so he fucking would have like three pairs of Oakleys on, like.

• 7:15Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 7:16Theo Von?

  Um, yeah, what kind of toys did y'all have just kind of milling around?

• 7:20Speaker 01

  He became a manufacturer's rep. He did well. He, he was the first to go to college in his family. Um, and, uh, his dad had like a hundred acre farm and would work in the, and on a, in a, in a steel mill. But my dad was the first to go to college, so they kind of moved us to better schools. That was their thing. We kept moving to get to better schools, but we weren't prepared for that, cause we didn't, I didn't know what a tutor was. Like, no one had a tutor. So we moved to area that was more academic and exposed to stuff, which was good, but, uh, he, he sold like, uh, uh, I, I love that. I don't think he sold this. He might have, but I love that Evel Knievel stunt cycle when I was a kid. But he sold like, uh, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

• 7:59Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  And like, uh,

• 8:00Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was fun as shit. And then he had like, uh, God, he had like these little, like, uh, like those kind of bathtubs. I guess it was in the toy section, but not bathtubs, swimming pool, but it was just a big plastic circle.

• 8:12Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Remember those outdoor?

• 8:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, were they hard ones or the soft ones?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  No, they were just like these-

• 8:17Theo Von?

  The rigid ones?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they would just be in the backyard in the summer, cause no one had a pool. Um, and then he sold Galoo toys, whatever they sold, yeah.

• 8:26Theo Von?

  Pull up that stunt cycle for me, can you?

• 8:28Speaker 01

  Evel Knievel. Did you ever have that?

• 8:31Theo Von?

  I don't think so, dude.

• 8:32Speaker 01

  That was so cool. You'd pull the thing and then it would take off.

• 8:36Theo Von?

  Oh, that thing?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  That thing was dope.

• 8:39Theo Von?

  Dude, yeah.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  He was jumping shit and never making it.

• 8:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  But you were like, you would watch and why World of Sports? And they say he's gonna jump Snake Canyon and then he would crash and he couldn't move.

• 8:49Theo Von?

  Well, I read somewhere that-

• 8:50Speaker 01

  Deer Devil. Back then Deer Devils were popular.

• 8:52Theo Von?

  Oh, they had, yeah, well, that was a crazy thing. Yeah, look at this. There you go. There's a commercial for-

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, so dope.

• 8:58Theo Von?

  And it never did the shit it did on the commercial dude.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  No, bro.

• 9:01Theo Von?

  It never, nothing ever did.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Nothing ever did. Remember when they were first coming out with shit that flyed it never did what was, you know what I mean? And I wasn't good enough to, I was never, I always needed an uncle or someone to put it together. I wasn't good at putting stuff together. Were you?

• 9:13Theo Von?

  No, I would take it all out and I'd get furious or whatever.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  I, I'd Tom Sawyer, I'd get someone that could do it, help me.

• 9:19Theo Von?

  Oh, I see. So you were extortious.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Wow, I was just, you know, I'd, I'd do certain things for them or could help, but I needed help with this, you know what I mean? I knew my limitations, Theo.

• 9:29Theo Von?

  I'm trying to think of what we had. We had Rambo.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Rambo was dope. We had. I played with toys till I was older. I played with toys young. I love toys. Did you?

• 9:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm trying to think of what toys we had. I'm just trying to think about it. Oh, the wrestling figures was huge when I was a kid.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Super huge. I played with Smurfs too. Did you ever play with Smurfs?

• 9:46Theo Von?

  We would watch Smurfs, but uh, I couldn't understand it.

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Collectibles of Smurfs. Yes, I, we're looking back.

• 9:52Theo Von?

  You had the collectibles?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Well, they had like those little Smurfs you'd buy, but looking back, I don't think the, the Smurfs uh, age as well.

• 9:59Theo Von?

  They didn't do, yeah. Gargamel was just weird. I think he got a little.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  One lady, Smurfette, they only had one going down.

• 10:05Theo Von?

  And there was, yeah, there was sort of a, bring up Smurfette. She was kind of, she was cute, but she didn't have enough.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  She had Girl Next Door going.

• 10:13Theo Von?

  She didn't have enough body on her, to me.

• 10:15Speaker 01

  No, no, no. But none of them did.

• 10:18Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're right. That's a good point. But what was Gargamel doing there? Remember they had the dude?

• 10:22Speaker 01

  Bad guy.

• 10:24Theo Von?

  Yeah, but it seemed.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Bad guy.

• 10:25Theo Von?

  More than that, though, to me.

• 10:27Speaker 01

  I've seen it. They say that there's like a whole like dark kind of thing behind it. There's some stuff with Smurfs being really bad.

• 10:34Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 10:34Speaker 01

  I think so, yeah, there's some.

• 10:36Theo Von?

  Like a conspiracy theory?

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 10:38Theo Von?

  Well, there's all those, Disney had the secret cocks in the movies. Remember that whole thing?

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they did, by the way.

• 10:43Theo Von?

  Did they?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  I think that you could find those.

• 10:45Theo Von?

  I never even looked at it.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Did you ever smoke cigarettes?

• 10:47Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:48Speaker 01

  Remember Camel?

• 10:49Theo Von?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:49Speaker 01

  They have that weird stuff on the Camel cigarette. It looks like a guy, I think, who's naked or something, right?

• 10:55Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  Put up, get those Camel cigarettes. Remember you could make out the, the outline of a guy on.

• 11:00Theo Von?

  With a wiener?

• 11:01Speaker 01

  I think so. I think if you look at it hard enough.

• 11:05Theo Von?

  You look at anything, you'll see a little bit of cock, I feel like. You know what I'm saying? If you mill around a gas station.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  I'm gonna get up there and see it.

• 11:11Theo Von?

  Dude, you spend forty minutes at a gas station, you'll see somebody's cock.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Look at his hands are on his hips like this, same shit here.

• 11:21Theo Von?

  Let me see that hole.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Looks like, yeah, right there.

• 11:24Theo Von?

  There we go.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Plant this day.

• 11:25Theo Von?

  Yes! That ain't shit.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  I'm telling you, that's something.

• 11:28Theo Von?

  You think that's a guy with a, dude, just.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  I think that's just a dude standing up, no?

• 11:33Theo Von?

  Dude, there's a picture of a guy smoking like, uh.

• 11:37Theo Von?

  That ain't, I mean, I'll tell you this, though. If that were like fifteen, twenty years ago, then yes, we would all think, now this is.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Did you ever hear shit too, like Pop Rocks and Coca-Cola make your stomach blow up and all that?

• 11:48Theo Von?

  Yeah, or they'll kill a bee, Sean, or whatever, you give them to them?

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally.

• 11:51Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, that was.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  People were bored, we didn't have the internet, we were making shit up, bro. We were hearing like Rod Stewart had to get his stomach pumped, didn't you hear all that?

• 11:59Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, they said Richard Gere was like working for a, like, like.

• 12:02Speaker 01

  Had a hamster?

• 12:02Theo Von?

  You had a hamster?

• 12:03Speaker 01

  I don't think that's true, I don't want to discourage nobody, but I think this was the stuff going around.

• 12:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, but that was a great rule.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  That was Camel cigarettes, had some fucking naked dude on it, that's, that's what was in the news.

• 12:12Theo Von?

  That's a.

• 12:13Speaker 01

  That was the news, baby.

• 12:14Theo Von?

  That's crazy. I do miss when they had more imagination, though, even like you're saying, that was something interesting you said, like, when you were in the basement, your imagination, if it was big, it could be a blessing and a curse, because it could really create the darkness, too.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  I think a big imagination is both. But, yes, I think, if you have a great inner life, like, would you talk to yourself a lot?

• 12:33Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, I'd be harrowing, I'd be like, you're a piece of shit.

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I know, sometimes good.

• 12:37Theo Von?

  Yeah, occasionally, sometimes like Merry Christmas.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  I remember one time, that's so good, I remember one time leaving a situation with older kids and not loving the exchange, and I was kind of walking my bike back, and I was kind of talking out loud and playing different sides of the conversation, and there was one of the boys had happened to leave at the same time, and he was behind me, really hearing me kind of have this conversation, and I kind of, so then I kept talking, but steering it with a different kind of point of view to kind of hide the fact that I was, that I was just working out out loud, like, I kind of saw him, but I made, I kept going, but steering it in a place where I felt more comfortable with what I was saying.

• 13:16Theo Von?

  Like you were, like, just making up things that made sense, that would have made it justifiable to him?

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, or not see him as nuts, you know?

• 13:23Theo Von?

  Oh dude, one time me and my friend, we got in a fight or something in a ditch and uh, and with some other kids and then we were riding our bikes leaving and I think we got, the fight was pretty even. But we kinda went to like high five like that and our hands got kinda stuck together. While we were riding our bikes, so it just looked like two dudes just like holding hands up in the air.

• 13:45Speaker 01

  And proud of it.

• 13:46Theo Von?

  Yeah, bro, but it's.

• 13:47Speaker 01

  Everyone should see this.

• 13:48Theo Von?

  It seemed like we're like a couple Harvey Milk fans, just like leaving a speech.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Tri-Off it.

• 13:52Theo Von?

  Yes. We seemed a little too tri- like, and I still, our hands got locked and we were riding our bikes with the other and just holding our bikes up, both riding the same way. So we couldn't let them go. So I'm sure these dudes, it looked like, oh, these dudes are a couple of zest.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  Well, really, you were really wanting to not damage the friendship over the fight.

• 14:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  So you were overly connecting and making up for the, for the, for the fight.

• 14:13Theo Von?

  Well, the kids we had fought were down the street.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Oh, so you guys were celebrating how you did.

• 14:18Theo Von?

  We were kinda celebrating. Well, I, I don't think we did that great, but I think we just went to do a high five.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  You were in it together. No one ran.

• 14:24Theo Von?

  Right, and our hands got locked. So I'm sure they looked and they're like, oh, we just beat up these two gay kids, probably. And I'm not saying that, but that could have been what they said.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  You don't know what they were thinking. You're just saying it was possible.

• 14:33Theo Von?

  I know what they were thinking and that's probably what it was.

• 14:38Theo Von?

  Um, yeah, dude, I, I, I, I'm, I'm super nostalgic.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Yeah. I try to, I can be, but you gotta, you gotta move on too. It's, it's, I think it's good to reflect on that. I think it's good to be where you're at.

• 14:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Both.

• 14:51Theo Von?

  When you were in college, did you like live in the dorms or anything?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Well, I never went to college.

• 14:54Theo Von?

  Oh, you didn't at all?

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 14:55Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, I went to LSU. I went to, um.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I got a lot of friends who went there.

• 14:58Theo Von?

  College of Charleston.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Hugh Hayden, I, I.

• 15:00Theo Von?

  Oh, I know Hugh, dude. I met you with Hugh before.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Hugh's my guy.

• 15:03Theo Von?

  Is he still alive?

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude. Fucking Hayden's the greatest, isn't he?

• 15:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 15:07Speaker 01

  I go down and watch the games, uh, I'll go watch LSU with him. Uh, I always have fun going to those games, yeah.

• 15:13Theo Von?

  Maybe that's where I've seen you.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, could have been. He, he's a great guy, Hugh.

• 15:15Theo Von?

  Hugh knows everybody.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Oh, he's the, he knows everybody.

• 15:18Theo Von?

  He's like the glue of New Orleans, probably. And the Better Than Ezra guys, those guys are great.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  I know those dudes, yeah.

• 15:23Theo Von?

  Yeah. Kevin Griffin, I see him a lot. He has a big festival over there in, uh, the Pilgrimage, uh, Music Festival that he helped start.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, Hayden was friends with all those guys too.

• 15:32Theo Von?

  Oh dude, you met Drew Brees?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a terrific guy.

• 15:36Theo Von?

  Oh wow.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz Hugh's friends with, I got to meet a lot of those guys. Hayden is, you know, obviously friends with a lot of the Saints and stuff too, and Mickey Loomis and those guys.

• 15:45Theo Von?

  Hugh's friends with all my ex-girlfriends somehow, which is interesting, but he was the best looking guy they had.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:51Theo Von?

  I mean, he was a good looking guy.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  He makes friends with, yeah, he does good.

• 15:53Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah, look.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  I don't know if they're just friends.

• 15:56Theo Von?

  I don't know, I'm insinuating.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  I think it's all groovy. I don't think there's any strings, but I'm just saying, it may not have just stayed like, they might not just been sitting down playing canasta with each other.

• 16:06Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's totally true.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  They may not just be hooking up and playing rummy cue. There might be some, there might be some connections going on.

• 16:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm sure. Hugh was just like, yeah, I mean, he was just, everybody knew him.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  I just texted with him yesterday.

• 16:19Theo Von?

  Oh, you really?

• 16:20Speaker 01

  He's a good guy.

• 16:21Theo Von?

  So you guys keep in touch a decent amount?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  I do, yeah.

• 16:22Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 16:24Theo Von?

  It's, well, it's just so fun down there.

• 16:26Speaker 01

  It is fun down there.

• 16:27Theo Von?

  I was supposed to do.

• 16:27Speaker 01

  Did you think about going, going to, when you, when you left here, did you think about going there?

• 16:31Theo Von?

  Oh, going back to Louisiana? It's a little too slow down there sometimes, you know?

• 16:38Speaker 01

  And I think. How much did, how much did stand-up weigh on where you relocated to? The ability to get up?

• 16:44Theo Von?

  That's a good question. It didn't, I was doing like a tour, so at that point, most of my sets, I was like going out of town and doing like four nights and then coming back. Like, like we'd go out, so most, I wasn't getting up and practicing as much, as much as I was just doing a tour.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  So you would go take out on a tour, material that you hadn't workshopped all?

• 17:01Theo Von?

  Oh, that I had, but it was like this tour, and it, the tour ended up going for like three years because we kept finding more markets to go play, so we'd play like be smaller and smaller markets.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  So you were changing material slightly, but you kinda had your base and you were just hitting areas you hadn't hit. Gotcha.

• 17:15Theo Von?

  And it was growing. I was performing like four nights a week, but I was just on, it was like in venues and like, as opposed to just doing practice sets.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  How does that get, as you get older, the road that way? That, that kinda longevity? Is it, is it something you're still excited about, or does it become more of a job?

• 17:29Theo Von?

  It definitely becomes more of a job and you have to take more breaks. I didn't realize it, you know?

• 17:34Speaker 01

  Cause you want, you gotta fill up your tank.

• 17:36Theo Von?

  Well, yeah, yeah, you gotta fill up your tank.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Recreate, recreation, recreate.

• 17:39Theo Von?

  Oh, I burned out a few times.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Do you bring a crew with you or do you go solo?

• 17:43Theo Von?

  I take a tour manager, um, a couple other comedians and then we'll bring like a, for some of the venues, we'll bring like screens and a truck. So we have like one.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Are they people you enjoy and spend time with?

• 17:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  That's good. You need that.

• 17:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. But then that can become unhealthy too.

• 17:59Theo Von?

  Spending too much time with them?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  Well, yeah. I mean, you kind of become a circus and it's good because you have each other, but then you kind of are so with each other so much.

• 18:07Theo Von?

  Oh yeah. You can get like family fights type of energy.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  You need a break sometimes too.

• 18:10Theo Von?

  Yeah. I guess as you get, do you, do you choose films based on now with, you want to work with your friends?

• 18:17Speaker 01

  Well, I have kids now, so that's, once you have kids, that really becomes your priority. I have so many great friends that I just don't see that often because we're on different cycles. You know, they, their kids are at different ages than mine or live in a different area. So the family is really, and your kids become the calling card. You know, it's always funny. I thought of a movie idea with this, which is when your kids are real young, there are a lot of work. Like me and my wife didn't have any help. It was just me and her, which I, but that's.

• 18:43Theo Von?

  Really?

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Well, that's how I grew up. So I liked it like that. Uh, as they got older and I would leave for movies, we'd have people who kind of can help drive, help her driving and stuff, but I found that like, you're so desperate to have other people that have kids your age. Cause it's a lot of work. So when the kids get to be three or four, if you meet other people with kids the same age, you can hang out, you know, have some, have a glass of wine, whatever. And the kids play together. So that's nice. But all you really have in common is your kids are the same age. And then it feels like a good idea to go on spring break with them. Cause that's easy. You can put the kids can do stuff together and the parents could hang, but then you can realize that you have very different parenting styles.

• 19:25Theo Von?

  Oh, have you been in some situations like that?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  I think everybody has. It's sort of funny, but you're like, is that guy going to tell? His son to stop hitting my daughter, am I gonna have to say something? You know what I mean, like, or is that guy's way too, that guy's screaming at his son, he's an inch from his face. Where these guys are getting super drunk and falling down in front of their kid, you know? So you just don't know until you go on that trip.

• 19:44Theo Von?

  With the parent, with, oh, I see.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  Parenting and how they, how they roll.

• 19:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 01

  But you know, you, you kind of hang with them. And I'm sure, you know, everyone feels that way. So it's sort of something you start to hang out with more people who have kids in your area. Because your kid's schedules are dominating your time. Way more than you would hang out with friends that you had in common through comedy or through other stuff because.

• 20:06Theo Von?

  It's all the kids.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  It's all the kids. Yeah.

• 20:08Theo Von?

  Have you ever been shocked if your kid picks a certain friend and you're like, no, that's not the kid?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  I kind of let my kids, I mean, I give them kind of a baseline of things to look for. And then I let them make their mistakes and go through it, but I've been fortunate, my kids, you know, both have pretty good friends. I like, they handle themselves well. I get nice reports that they treat kids good. Yeah, I, I get texts all the time or will hear.

• 20:29Theo Von?

  Oh, that's nice.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Stuff saying, oh, your daughter, uh, walked my daughter out of this situation and was nice to her. So that makes you feel good. But yeah, I think it's not as complicated as people make it, Theo. I think it gets over complicated in a city in LA if everyone's competing to get into the right school.

• 20:46Theo Von?

  Right.

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Do you know what I'm saying?

• 20:47Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  But I think if it's just a basic idea of how you go about handling stuff, you kind of attract people that share those ideas. But if you're competing all the time, I think you're kind of going to get in a bad situation.

• 21:00Theo Von?

  Is your, uh, did you choose a good wife for?

• 21:03Speaker 01

  I did, yeah. She's from Canada. She grew up on a farm.

• 21:05Theo Von?

  That's where you gotta get them.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  You're so funny, dude. I know the way you said that was like, that's the secret code.

• 21:12Theo Von?

  Well, a lot of people are like, yeah, I'm definitely looking to Canada. Even further, I'll take something that's, you know what I'm saying, that's still on ice.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  How far are you going?

• 21:20Theo Von?

  I'll take a fricking Inuit. I'll take something that's in the freezer section, you know what I'm saying? Something that hasn't been thawed out by some of these desperate ways of America, you know?

• 21:30Speaker 01

  I tell you, it's you got good and bad people everywhere for sure, but I definitely, I definitely look for somebody who, you know, I like their base values and how they handle stuff. I think that goes a long way because a lot of parenting is problem solving.

• 21:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  Working with each other, yeah.

• 21:45Theo Von?

  And they have good posture up there in Canada. You notice they have the best posture.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  I haven't noticed that.

• 21:50Theo Von?

  Watch Canadians when they go by. You could barely even see them. They're so.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 21:54Theo Von?

  Just horizontal longitudinal.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  You'd be a little surprised. You don't see them like Africans with that, like, you know, carrying shit on their head.

• 22:02Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. You remember that? They always have a basket.

• 22:04Theo Von?

  Carrying.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Walking around real casual because their posture was great.

• 22:08Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:09Theo Von?

  And someone would even like if the ladies would get pissed, they would be like, mm hmm.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  But.

• 22:13Theo Von?

  Not even spilling anything.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Dropping.

• 22:15Theo Von?

  Not a fricking melon would fall out of the basket. Oh dude, I remember I went to South Africa a couple of times and you would see a lot of people walking and they would, that was how they would travel to stacking on the dome.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I've never been to South Africa.

• 22:24Theo Von?

  So nice.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  You like it?

• 22:26Theo Von?

  Yeah, because there's just so much going on, you know, um, yeah, just like it's beautiful and amazing and there's these beaches and then there's all this insane history.

• 22:35Speaker 01

  Were you there for a vacation or work?

• 22:37Theo Von?

  I went there one time to Johannesburg to do a comedy festival. I went once when I did this thing called Semester at Sea where you like went as a student, like on this boat and we went there.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:47Theo Von?

  And.

• 22:47Speaker 01

  Do you ever go somewhere for work and then say, I want to come back for when I have some downtime to hang? That's cool. That's the great thing about our work is you get to travel.

• 22:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  I find that to be a great education.

• 22:58Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, for sure, dude. Going to Vietnam or whatever. I'm trying to think of some other neat places. Um, yeah, what's a place that you filmed in that you were like, wow, this kind of blew my mind, even if it was an American city?

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's been a lot of them. I mean, I remember going, you know, as a kid, getting to go to New York and actually living there was a big, very different for me, obviously, than I lived there for a while.

• 23:19Theo Von?

  And you were acting then or not?

• 23:21Speaker 01

  I was, yeah. I never really traveled anywhere, bro, until work took me there. Like for us, a vacation was in a, you, we, we would get in a station wagon.

• 23:29Theo Von?

  Where would y'all go?

• 23:30Speaker 01

  We tried to Florida or Arizona. You try not to get grounded because everyone's hopped up on sugar and shit and you're crowded in. And you try not to get in trouble in the back, but we didn't really, you know, we, we would, we would drive most places for spring break. I never left, I would, I had relatives in Canada from my mom's side. Um, so we would, we would go up there, uh, but I never went to Europe ever.

• 23:52Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Until I, I had gone for work.

• 23:55Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Did you?

• 23:56Theo Von?

  No, dude, we didn't know, even know about Europe. The guy, the janitor that drew the map on our, like cement at our school left out three states of it, dude. So there was like, people were like, what is happening like?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  How does that happen?

• 24:09Theo Von?

  They just, you know, they probably.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  States, what were the states?

• 24:12Theo Von?

  Um.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  You wouldn't know because they didn't put them down.

• 24:14Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, I think it was somewhere, some of it, I think Maine, I knew that Maine was missing. I didn't want to call them out because I felt kind of bad for the guy, but anyway, yeah, so we weren't going to Europe, dude. I remember Canada, they didn't even have it when I was a kid or whatever. They had like a picture, I remember in our classroom, they had America.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:32Theo Von?

  Cause it was very, everything was very American then, very like, we are America. And then they had a picture of a wolf like chasing a boy. And that was Canada, like chasing a cold boy. And that was like what we thought was going on outside of there. And Florida was the greatest place you could go in the world. If somebody went to Florida and they came back to school and their shirt on said Florida, you were like, oh.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Oh, man, you killed it.

• 24:53Theo Von?

  They are so rich.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 24:56Theo Von?

  That's nice. You guys would drive all the way from, uh, Illinois down to Florida?

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have relatives in Ohio. I go see my grandfather had a little hunt, had a little farm.

• 25:04Theo Von?

  What kind of animals did they have over there?

• 25:06Speaker 01

  He just had cows. Um, he just had cows. I remember, um.

• 25:11Theo Von?

  I like cows, they're warm.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember as a kid, I was like in first grade. And we were studying the pilgrims and you know, the pilgrims were all in black and white. And so when I, we drove from the farm to go see my grandfather, I never saw him much, but when you get to the smaller roads, they're like this narrow. You know, there's, you can't get around, there's just two, two lanes and it's those country roads are smaller roads. And we were behind Amish, I'd never seen Amish people.

• 25:40Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Never knew.

• 25:41Theo Von?

  Time travelers.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  I thought they were pilgrims. So you had a bunch of kids in black and white in the back of the carriage, you know, um, kind of staring at us. Like you couldn't break eye contact because they're looking right at you. And they're fucking slow, bro. They're not moving like this horse is not excited. And we're sitting behind them. We had like a Lincoln Town Car or something my dad was driving. And it was so slow going and I remember going, why won't these pilgrims get out of our way? And my dad lost his mind. He pulled the car over and took my head off. You're no better than these people. Who are you to talk like that about someone? But he didn't realize, like, I really thought they were pilgrims.

• 26:18Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  I really thought that that was a pilgrim because I had not, I couldn't even understand.

• 26:22Theo Von?

  Yeah, of course.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  What? These people living, not touching electricity, you know what I mean? But my dad's great and my mom, but they were real keen on, you know, making sure that you were, I think because they moved me to a nicer area. They were real big on making sure I wasn't, you know, feeling better than anybody. But I think he got that one wrong. I think he thought I was making fun of these Amish people. I didn't know what they were.

• 26:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're like, this could be Christopher Columbus's children or whatever over here. And they just, you know, they're all hopped up on cheese curds and they're slowing down.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  They're slow as fuck and we can't get around them.

• 26:54Theo Von?

  Dude, that's hilarious, bro. Yeah, that's kind of what we had in our classroom.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  We were super pro-America too. Everything was. It was taught in that way.

• 27:02Theo Von?

  The pledge of allegiance.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Which I thought was good. Hell, yes. I liked it. By the way, I love it.

• 27:05Theo Von?

  I did too. Well, it kept us together. It was like one thing you had in common. It was like, if you, at a certain point, if you don't have anything in common, if you, if you take away things that people have in common, then they don't have anything in common.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  I still feel the same way. I still feel like it's the best out there. Not that it's perfect. There's a lot of stuff going on. I don't think, I don't think we even, I don't know how much control everyone even has over it, but, but I still love the idea of it.

• 27:27Theo Von?

  Well, a lot of people are going to homeschool now too. That's it. Yeah. There's more, uh, parents have switched to homeschooling, uh, now than even during COVID.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  I did some of it.

• 27:35Theo Von?

  You did it?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  My daughter, in first grade, we did it. I did some, you know, I, I.

• 27:39Theo Von?

  Well, that's easy to teach though, dude. Try one of the harder grades. Oh, you did?

• 27:42Speaker 01

  I had, I had a, a lady that was good. Yeah. But I get a curriculum, you know, and then I'd have a pick, pick a curriculum that I like, that lady. But the first year she was by herself, which she'd look at me when I'd leave her in the classroom, like, fuck this. No one wants to be sitting by themselves. So then I found a public highbred school where she would go two days a week. And then I moved her to a local Catholic school and now she goes to a big public high school and she's doing great.

• 28:05Theo Von?

  Nice.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  But, um, for all the same reasons, you start looking at this stuff and figuring that you want to try to give a, uh, education that is not. So drowning and beating them down.

• 28:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 28:20Theo Von?

  Not really exactly. I mean, let me think about beating them down.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Well, meaning everything was taught from a place for a while, like pointing out everything bad. And you can't say this, you can't feel this way, or so much guilt education.

• 28:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  Oh, you're bad to feel this way or that way. And so I didn't, I thought it's just too heavy and also like just a hatred of anything. And I just, I always, you know, like an optimism, positive. And why not share different ideas? Why not have different thing of opinions? And create an environment where you can talk about different things.

• 28:55Theo Von?

  Yeah, it feels like there's a lot, yeah, like kids were just feeling bad about themselves. Or like we did this or our people did this. It's like, what are we doing?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  I'd go to my kids and say, when I would get stuff, I'd say, this is not the history of how this shit started. This is not real. We didn't invent any of this shit. You know, so you'd have to kind of go and that's a lot of work.

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• 32:10Speaker 01

  Where are you at with marriage and kids?

• 32:12Theo Von?

  I don't have a marriage right now.

• 32:14Speaker 01

  Someone that you are serious with?

• 32:16Theo Von?

  No, but I would like to get there, so it'll happen sometime soon.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  What's your process for that?

• 32:21Theo Von?

  That's been the problem. I just haven't really, I've been working so much that I didn't really focus on it much. But now I'm trying to focus on it more.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  How old are you, if you don't mind?

• 32:29Theo Von?

  I'm 45.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:31Theo Von?

  So I'm gonna die, I'm gonna, I'm not gonna die soon, but I'm gonna, you know.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  No, you got time. I think the thing that happens is, is we're so focused on the career and it takes up so much time. And it's easy to put that to the sidelines. But then as you get older, sometimes the joy or the things we got from the career aren't as high as they were. And you start to look at family and the idea of it and say, that would be fun.

• 32:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  So you take kind of the same approach that you take to your, towards your career, and you start to put those ideas on meeting somebody.

• 33:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  And then you start to work at it in the same kind of way. And I think, my opinion, sometimes, what are the things I'm doing that are good? What, what's not good? What's a good thing to bring to a relationship? What's not working on yourself in a weird way? You'll come in contact with somebody, more than I gotta go to the right class or go out during the day. It's more about doing that kind of work on yourself. And then I think you'll kind of attract somebody in a similar mindset. But I would say, put, don't put it off. Just, it, it, focus on it a little bit, in the same way that you've done with your career.

• 33:37Theo Von?

  Did you have to do that in, in your, like?

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got to a point like you did, and I thought, at first I thought, you know, maybe you don't get all the cards in life. Like, maybe I was so not focused on this.

• 33:47Theo Von?

  Right, it just doesn't work out.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  And now I'm older, and I wish I would have gotten started sooner. But then I thought, you know, I want to ask God for those years back. Like, I, I, I can get those years better than I would have had them, if I want, if I'm asking for them now. Because now I'm wanting that.

• 34:02Theo Von?

  Ah.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  Does that make sense?

• 34:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  So now that you want it, you say, why can't I have it now? In whatever way it looks for you at 45.

• 34:08Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, I, I think you're right. I think the more, I, I, I just keep realizing, it's not me, like, because sometimes I'm like, I don't really want to go out or go do this thing or something, but maybe I'll meet somebody, right? And maybe I'll, but then it's a lot of times. I'm still meeting somebody with the same kind of. I'm showing up with some of the same problems that I still that have prevented me. So it's I think you're right about. Instead of like, uh, out there metal detecting, maybe stay home and work on the magnet a little bit.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  But I think do it with grace too. You can say, you know, I don't want to do this. This would be better. What do I look? And also I think you go, what do I want in a person that I'm gonna be married to? What, what do I want and what don't I want? Like just thinking about it. It's almost like the same as a stand up. You, what kind of venues do I want to play? What kind of podcast, what do I want to do? What, and, and by making those decisions, you can manifest something you're excited about.

• 34:59Theo Von?

  My, yeah, I think I'm a good mom. That's what I want to have a wife. That's a good mom. That's probably the number one thing.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:05Theo Von?

  Did your wife have to introduce you to her dad or whatever, like they do in the movies or whatever?

• 35:10Speaker 01

  They were kinda, I met them pretty quickly. I, I did call him and say, I'm gonna ask her to marry him. He, I think he was appreciative of it, but. They weren't as much like that. I was raised like that.

• 35:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  Were you?

• 35:21Theo Von?

  No, dude. There was like a lot of domestic abuse in our area and people like hiding drugs in each other's. You know, uh, bedrooms and stuff like that. So it was more.

• 35:30Speaker 01

  Those are relationships that aren't going well.

• 35:33Theo Von?

  Yeah, pretty much.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Right. So, but I'm saying you would want to, you know, the family.

• 35:37Theo Von?

  Yeah, yeah. I would like to have like a family, you know, I'm okay with like people fighting at night before they go to bed a little bit.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  Show me a normal family. I'll show you a liar. Everyone's gonna go through their bullshit. You know, no one's like fucking killing it. You know what I mean? Everyone's got their shit they fight about. There's days anybody's mad at anybody. So that's never gonna go away. You're just trying to aim it a little better.

• 35:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:55Theo Von?

  Oh, I, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Just shoot a little bit and a little bit. I just want my arrow to end at least in a different area.

• 36:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:02Theo Von?

  But dude, yeah, I remember one time we were so mad at our mom and we were like crying, we're all crying and we tried to like put all of our tears in like a little jar. And we're gonna take them to the police and be like, look what's happening at the house. But they won't stay in there. They like in the morning they were gone or whatever.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Isn't that interesting?

• 36:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:18Theo Von?

  But I remember that. I remember I was like.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Were you real tight with your mom?

• 36:22Theo Von?

  No, we weren't that tight, but we're tighter now.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 36:24Theo Von?

  Yeah, I just went and surprised her for Valentine's Day the other day.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 36:27Theo Von?

  We had a nice time, dude.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  You have brothers and sisters?

• 36:30Theo Von?

  Uh, yeah, I got a couple of brothers and sisters.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  Close?

• 36:33Theo Von?

  It's gotten better over the years.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:34Theo Von?

  Yeah. What about, what do you got?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Same. It's older sisters and, uh.

• 36:38Theo Von?

  And you were the boy?

• 36:39Speaker 01

  I was the youngest, yeah.

• 36:40Theo Von?

  And they were older sisters?

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:42Theo Von?

  No, did they ever have friends come over and you were just like ogling or whatever? Or would you put on a tuxedo?

• 36:47Speaker 01

  They were five or six years older, so.

• 36:49Theo Von?

  Dude, that's the best.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  I would sometimes get thrown under the bus to look cool for the older friends. You know, like you'd hang out and play and then when the older friends would come, all, you weren't included.

• 36:58Theo Von?

  I was like, Vince, get out of here.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:00Theo Von?

  Go hide, Vince.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:01Theo Von?

  Did they call you Vince or is that, did they, what'd they call you?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  They called me Vince if they weren't mad at me, then they'd call you anything. We'd fight like crazy younger. It would like, it would be hot and then you'd be friends and you'd love each other, you know, like anything.

• 37:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  You'd really go at it when you go at, I, did you have this? Sometimes when you get in a fight with your siblings, it's really like a game of tag.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  You'd be so pissed and you'd hit somebody, but then you'd be afraid because now you got them.

• 37:25Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  So then you, they'd turn around mad and now they try to come to get you real bad and you were trying to get to the door to shut it. And then if they got you, it would go the other way.

• 37:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  So it's like whoever got the other one hard last is kind of how the fights would go.

• 37:40Theo Von?

  Yeah, but and when so they already brought it to mom and then seeing kids run around their mom is one of the funniest things, you know?

• 37:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:46Theo Von?

  Like they're hiding. It's so funny when you watch it, you kill with their mom sometimes and then it's like, you know, they're moving in between the moms, like they're just running or, you know, they're all like, or they're fighting around the mom. That kind of shit's fun.

• 37:55Speaker 01

  Or even how kids play hide and seek.

• 37:57Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 37:57Speaker 01

  Like an ostrich, their ass will stick out, but their head will be behind a curtain. You ever seen kids play hide and seek?

• 38:02Theo Von?

  Oh dude, sometimes a kid will just sit there and cover his eyes.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  He'd be laughing wildly.

• 38:06Theo Von?

  Dude, we could see you, dude.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Thank God there's not a kidnapper after the kid.

• 38:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, we didn't have, I think we had some, we had a decent amount of like, uh, they used to have a law that they would put. Like if he was like a sex offenders or whatever, children, sex offenders, you had to go around and go door to door. Right? Which was the worst because we all, we lived at, our mom was working. So we'd just be, these guys would come and they'd be like, I have to let you know I live in the area. I'm a sex offender. It would just be us kids.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Live in the area. I'm into super young guys. Just letting you know. Mom.

• 38:34Theo Von?

  But mom would be gone. And that was like at every house. I'm like, who put this rule together?

• 38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Now it's on an app.

• 38:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's easier now.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  I know, but it's weird because you're like, oh geez, this guy over here.

• 38:44Theo Von?

  This is only a sixty feet away.

• 38:46Speaker 01

  Not known. We just walk around. We were always outside going around. Nobody paid attention to us.

• 38:51Theo Von?

  Dude, yeah, that was being, living in that was the best. We had this one kid named Kirby that tried to crawl through the ditch culvert one time. And the government had to come and get him or whatever. I remember.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  The government had to come get him. That government man came down to do some work.

• 39:05Theo Von?

  Shit, like that was the best. We had this dude named Milford that would drive the school bus and he was always, they were always coming and checking to see if he was drunk. It was just like, it was, yeah, but there was nothing like that being like.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  We'd find out stuff later that a teacher molested people and stuff. We didn't know. You'd find that out later.

• 39:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:23Theo Von?

  Anyway, that kind of took a turn. Um. Let's talk a little bit about, well, I, I watched your movie, uh, Mike and Nick and Nick and.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Alice.

• 39:31Theo Von?

  Alice, yeah. It's cool, man.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, cool.

• 39:34Theo Von?

  The way that they shot somewhere, they slowed it down.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:37Theo Von?

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 39:37Speaker 01

  Stylized, yeah.

• 39:38Theo Von?

  Yeah, it was interesting. Was that a choice that was made kind of later? Or do you have any clue?

• 39:42Speaker 01

  No, I had no idea. It's the director who puts it all together and he kind of has a stylized point of view to do it. But I, I liked it. I thought it came out cool.

• 39:50Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it's just bizarre. It was like, or it's just like, it made me think, oh, things can be different.

• 39:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Like, like when he would do flashbacks, you're saying?

• 39:58Theo Von?

  Well, like even with the, like, there's like a moment where they have that cat that's in there and they show him, but it's like, uh, it goes in slow motion just for like a moment or something. I just thought it was pretty sty-, it was pretty stylized. That's what I thought.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 40:10Theo Von?

  Um, yeah. And so I don't want to give too much of it. A little way, but so your character kind of goes back. What can we say?

• 40:17Speaker 01

  You can say whatever you want, just kind of a sci fi thing where it's rated, it's like a rated R comedy with action. And it's got this kind of sci fi twist to it.

• 40:26Theo Von?

  And your character, you have, you played two, two characters.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:29Theo Von?

  Of you.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:31Theo Von?

  Yeah. It was kind of cool to see like, cause you always wonder, well, I wonder what it would be like if you played this character in this thing while you're watching somebody in something. But to see him play two people, it was like, oh, that's, it's like, I can't even explain it. It was just like, it almost seemed like an experiment.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  It's crazy what they do with technology now. Cause you kind of film one side of it, then you film the other side and they put it.

• 40:53Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  You know, together like it's one thing that technology's gotten so much more advanced.

• 40:57Theo Von?

  Uh, was there tough moments to play like two different characters in the same thing, or you didn't really think about it? I was amazed at how different the guys actually seemed because I was like, oh, well, at one point I'm just going to kind of get confused, but I didn't at all.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, they make them a little different because one's obviously been alive longer and you're going back in time. But yeah, it was a different experience for sure. So I kind of like doing stuff that's a little different. You get bored doing the same stuff. So anytime I'm doing something that's a little different, I like that. So it was, it wasn't too bad. I mean, sometimes it was just more stuff to film because you're playing two characters in a scene.

• 41:30Theo Von?

  That's true.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  But um, I, I like trying different stuff.

• 41:35Theo Von?

  Was there, um, I read some of the, you were almost in The Matrix one time.

• 41:39Speaker 01

  I don't know about that. That wouldn't, I don't remember, I don't remember that. Sometimes there's stuff I've turned down, but that, I don't remember that being one of them.

• 41:46Theo Von?

  Yeah. Um, your first, one of your first movies was, um, Rudy.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 41:53Theo Von?

  That's the best, huh?

• 41:54Speaker 01

  That was fun. Yeah.

• 41:55Theo Von?

  Dude, I still sometimes, uh, see that guy clapping by the.

• 42:00Speaker 01

  So funny, bro. Yeah, that's so funny.

• 42:03Theo Von?

  It's such a meme.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Slow clap.

• 42:04Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Slow clap.

• 42:05Theo Von?

  Charles S. Dutton, that's the actor.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was great.

• 42:08Theo Von?

  Yeah. Did he pass away?

• 42:09Speaker 01

  I don't know if he did or he didn't. Let's go back to the board here.

• 42:12Theo Von?

  Bring him up.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  He was cool. He was great in that part.

• 42:16Theo Von?

  Oh, he was so good.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Great speech to Rudy.

• 42:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  gratitude. Still alive.

• 42:21Theo Von?

  Hell, yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Come on, Charles.

• 42:23Theo Von?

  Show them, Charles.

• 42:26Theo Von?

  And he was in the show, yeah, they had a show called Rock when I was a kid that he was on.

• 42:30Theo Von?

  Yeah, that guy was great, dude. Um, did you ever meet the real Rudy over there?

• 42:34Speaker 01

  I did.

• 42:35Theo Von?

  Yeah?

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. I didn't hang out with him much, but he was there.

• 42:38Theo Von?

  That's wild.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Said hi to him a few times, yeah.

• 42:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, cuz I went over there to Mishawaka, Indiana. I used to go do comedy over there. Sometimes he had a comedy club.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  He owned, he owned a comedy club?

• 42:45Theo Von?

  No, no, they had one on the edge of town there, right outside of where Notre Dame was.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Got you.

• 42:50Theo Von?

  And, uh, and I would go.

• 42:51Speaker 01

  Have you been to a game there?

• 42:52Theo Von?

  Uh, I've never been to a game.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  It's cool.

• 42:54Theo Von?

  Yeah?

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, tradition, yeah.

• 42:55Theo Von?

  Yeah. Oh, I would love to go. Well, the grass right there, when you walk onto the campus at Notre Dame, it's like beautiful. And then when you're off the gra- off the campus, it's a little bit different grass.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Totally, they do.

• 43:05Theo Von?

  It's more like the grass has been drinking or whatever during, you know, during the day even.

• 43:08Speaker 01

  Yes, that day drinking.

• 43:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, but on campus, it's super nice.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they, they take care of it, for sure.

• 43:13Theo Von?

  Oh, is that the campus right there?

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 43:16Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's a nice pitch. Give me that one with the snow right there, that's nice.

• 43:22Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's one thing I do like about Nashville is that we, we do get some cold weather over there, that's kind of a vibe. Do you miss that about the Midwest, about having cold weather?

• 43:30Speaker 01

  I think you're used, whatever you get used to, I, I, I don't mind the cold. Like, I'm, I'm always ready to be done with it come January. I like it for the holidays.

• 43:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  But come February, I'm, I'm done with it. As a kid, I loved it.

• 43:41Theo Von?

  What would y'all do, go do?

• 43:41Speaker 01

  Just go play in the snow or get a snow day. You know, as an adult, you're scraping it off the driveway, you're scraping your car, it's more maintenance.

• 43:47Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 43:48Speaker 01

  And getting kids ready in the snow is a lot more time.

• 43:51Theo Von?

  Yeah, you gotta lock, yeah, you gotta lock them down.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Lock them down.

• 43:53Theo Von?

  And then their faces just like a thing of snot and just redness.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Like Christmas Story, yeah.

• 43:57Theo Von?

  Yeah. Dude, the guy from Christmas Story, I met him with you.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's one of my best friend, probably.

• 44:02Theo Von?

  Uh, Peter Billingsley?

• 44:03Speaker 01

  Peter Billingsley, yeah. He's my closest friend, he's a great guy.

• 44:05Theo Von?

  Yeah, cuz I met you guys, did, so you guys started the Wild West Comedy Festival? What was that like? Cuz that was the Nashville Comedy Festival, right?

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, what, what?

• 44:12Theo Von?

  What was it?

• 44:12Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what it was. I, I had a lot of friends that were stand-ups, but there wasn't any opportunities for stand-ups. This is in the, like, nineties. Like, we did swingers. We wrote the, in the, in the script, there was the line that said, uh, cuz Favreau's character was, uh, a stand-up, an ex-stand-up in that movie. So he wrote the line saying in the eighties, it felt like they were handing out pilots to stand ups. You know, at the airport and then it was a time where there really wasn't a lot for stand ups. So I just started trying to help friends of mine out that were stand up comedians. I did that Wild West comedy show where I went around and did thirty days and put Sebastian was on that and.

• 44:49Theo Von?

  Oh, y'all would just do it everywhere?

• 44:51Speaker 01

  I just would go hit thirty cities in thirty days because it seemed fun to me. So I we perform every night. We did thirty nights in a row. But I was really trying to help some of my friends like Ahmed that I knew guys that were stand up comics.

• 45:00Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. John Caprulo, I saw him last night at the Comedy Store.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  So there was a bunch of stand ups because there wasn't as much opportunities. It's crazy because now stand ups have a lot more opportunities.

• 45:10Theo Von?

  Brett Ernst is on there. Wow.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  I like Brett.

• 45:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  But anyway, they so they started going, um, but now then what happened is the stand ups now have a lot more opportunity. But at the time, they're just, it wasn't as viable. Like I think in the last fifteen years, stand up really had this. Renaissance where.

• 45:28Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  So much came out of it. And I look at the stand up stuff a little bit like what happened with improv. Like I did improv when I was a kid in Chicago. When I was in high school because there was a improv Olympic that was an offshoot of Second City. But it wasn't, it was just a place to go train and it was fun. It wasn't that big, big of a deal. I enjoyed it and I learned stuff there, but I didn't stay the whole time. I came out to California after high school. But as I got older, there started to be these different improv groups and then it became like a religion. This improv group thought that that improv group wasn't good.

• 46:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 46:02Speaker 01

  This improv group is good at sketch. This is good at characters. They don't. And I thought this is fucking improv.

• 46:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Like who the fuck is talking about improv?

• 46:10Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's like when mimes start beefing or whatever.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 46:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, it's like both mimes.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  It's just comedy. Like what is the, I mean, what are you talking? It's so fucking crazy to me. And so then stand up kind of went through the same thing where it started to form into like this stand up group or this group. Or a comic is this. And I thought, Jesus, it's the same shit where it starts to get too self important. And I think ultimately comedy is. Big tent, you can go real cerebral, or you can be physical, it doesn't matter. There's nothing that, there's nothing that, you know, prestigious, or like a stamp of approval about it.

• 46:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, I agree. It's gotten to that place recently. There's been like, kind of like infighting.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  It's like rappers now, right? It's so silly.

• 46:52Theo Von?

  But everybody's afraid to kill each other.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  It's weird, right? It's just so stupid.

• 46:56Theo Von?

  So I'm just saying, we either, either, we need a Tupac and Biggie from, we need somebody.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  Gotta go real bad to get good.

• 47:03Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, or it's just gotta stop. It's silly.

• 47:05Theo Von?

  But it is silly. Well, a lot of it got political too, I think. Politics came into stuff. I think that's, it's happened a lot over the past few years, um, with people like attaching themselves like heavily, attaching themselves to politics, uh.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  Which is part of the job, because you're gonna talk about current events.

• 47:22Theo Von?

  Right, but to attach yourself and say-

• 47:23Speaker 01

  But you don't want to become part of a group, and feel like you're, now you're a, a, a champion for one ideology. You want to make fun of everybody.

• 47:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:33Theo Von?

  It's happened more over the past few years. But it's always been that, well, it was, for a long time, it was like, uh, you know, Hollywood is pretty much overly kind of a liberal place.

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:45Theo Von?

  And so you would have-

• 47:47Speaker 01

  But not really.

• 47:48Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 47:49Speaker 01

  You know what I mean.

• 47:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  It's more like, uh, we're smart and got it figured out, and if you don't agree.

• 47:57Theo Von?

  Then you're-

• 47:57Speaker 01

  Then you're an idiot.

• 47:58Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, so that's true.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Not, yeah, not liberal in the way that we think, where it's like, hey, it's all groovy.

• 48:05Theo Von?

  Right. Yeah, it's not liberal like a hippie with a joint.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  No, man, no.

• 48:09Theo Von?

  Maybe it was-

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Pursuit of happiness, that's cool. Whatever makes you happy, bro. Right, that's cool.

• 48:13Theo Von?

  Maybe it was at one point, though, I think.

• 48:15Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 48:16Theo Von?

  But it's definitely got more of an elitist take, like this is our way or the highway.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  I think it's changing now.

• 48:21Theo Von?

  Well, do you think it's dissolving now, or do you think it's just spacing out more now, like?

• 48:26Speaker 01

  That's an interesting conversation too, because I hear this from the different groups too.

• 48:33Speaker 01

  I do think that there's less control in some ways, but I also thought, I also think that they put themselves in a corner with trying to please everybody. You know, you're gonna catch pneumonia, you're trying to please everybody. That's like that old Vonnegut quote. So, yes, I, I think, uh, uh, I think there was a more of a stranglehold with ideas. But there's always been people who feel differently within that. It's like any group, I guess, but, um, but yeah, not, I think what we're saying is similar that it was never really a place where, within individuals and friends, and it's, we could always disagree and always joke with each other. People my age, I disagree, agree, and you could change, we'd change our minds, we'd laugh, we'd joke.

• 49:14Speaker 01

  But there was definitely a culture that if you didn't agree with these ideas, uh, you were looked at as bad.

• 49:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:20Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 49:21Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think Hollywood really got more politi-, I don't know if it got more political?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  No, they got rewarded for it, yeah. They started to come out there and do it, and I don't even know how much everyone even is informed on everything.

• 49:32Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  But they really like to get out there and do it.

• 49:35Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. But it's also wild how those people will speak on one thing, but there'll be another topic that's way bigger.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  And they're hypocrites too, a lot of times, like anybody is.

• 49:44Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure, dude. I'm a, I totally, I think I'm a hypocrite.

• 49:46Speaker 01

  Like, I feel strong about this, but it's a strange thing when you start going like you know better than someone.

• 49:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  That's, that's when, that's when it gets weird. It's one thing to say, this is where I'm at.

• 49:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  And then here's someone else's point of view, and disagree or agree. It's another thing to be like, I'm so right.

• 50:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  And I gotta, and I'm gonna help you or condescend to you. That's the part that no one, I mean, who wants, no one wants to hang out with that.

• 50:07Theo Von?

  Mm-mm.

• 50:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it got to that.

• 50:08Theo Von?

  Or, my agent is right, and so this, I'm gonna have to tell you what they think, you know? That's also another, like, you know, that happens a lot too. Where people are like, feel like they have to think how their agents or managers, you know what I'm saying? Well, they feel pressured to think a certain way.

• 50:20Speaker 01

  That's terrible, and that happens, but that's the problem if you're going through life, trying to check boxes, like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, like, let me get the broom, let me do this, what is the wizard? You're not thinking for yourself, you're just trying to do the things you're supposed to. But it's always better if you get quiet. And do what's in your heart and do what you think is right. That's when you carve out stuff and make your own path.

• 50:42Theo Von?

  And probably the best of and get the best stuff out of you even creatively.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  A hundred percent and have the courage, I think, to be honest, try to be and, you know, go out. That's the problem, I think, that happened with film comedies, and that's why I think stand-up got stronger is they, you know, stand-ups would kinda, it was easier to give someone money for a special and say, we're gonna not, that's their special. But the studios weren't gonna produce a comedy and have more of, uh, be more responsible for supporting the making of that film.

• 51:13Theo Von?

  Oh, I see. So you're saying with the stand-up special, they can just put this is their thing?

• 51:16Speaker 01

  That's their thing. We're out of it. We're just hiring a special. But, but the truth is, most people, they wanna laugh. They don't wanna see stuff be precious that you can't talk or joke about.

• 51:26Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Most people can make fun of themselves. You know, in, in the real world, if you don't have a sense of humor about yourself, then it's a, it's a lonely experience. You know, you gotta be able to laugh at yourself. You can look back at stuff that you believe so strongly a few years ago and laugh about it. So, I think you gotta have that quality, and comedy is that, being able to laugh at stuff. And I think that it was easier than to go, okay, well, we're gonna just have a stand-up and that's their point of view, than it was to, they got too complicated not to offend anybody with going and making a movie. They were trying so hard not to offend anybody.

• 52:03Theo Von?

  Well, I think it's why I'll-

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Does that make sense?

• 52:05Theo Von?

  For sure it does. I think it's one of the reasons why, like, I've seen a lot of, um, why a lot of the late shows have struggled.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  Oh, bro.

• 52:12Theo Von?

  Because all they did during like, all they did, the only person they could make fun of at a certain point was just like white, redneck kinda people, and it fucking tanked, and then everything tanked after that.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Think about that. This is, but see, they never get it right. The podcasts have gotten so much more popular with less production, less writers, less staff.

• 52:33Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, you have two people working here and both of them are hungover. Then one guy has shingles.

• 52:37Speaker 01

  But the place is clean. I like that. You keep a clean place.

• 52:39Theo Von?

  Thank you. Yeah, we did a vacuum.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  But, uh, but yeah, because people want authenticity.

• 52:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  And I think that, I think that the talk shows, to a large part, became really agenda-based.

• 52:49Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  They were gonna evangelical people to what they thought, you know what I mean? And so people just rejected it because it didn't feel authentic. It felt like they had an agenda. It stopped being funny and it started feeling like I was in fucking a class I didn't wanna take.

• 53:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean?

• 53:04Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure, dude.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  I'm getting scolded. A hundred percent.

• 53:07Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:08Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And so I think that's the phenomenon isn't what they say. They always blame technology. But the reality is, it's the approach. You know, someone could go watch a stand up at Madison Square Garden and they want to go because it feels dangerous. The crowd is alive. I don't know what Theo is going to do or say. And I love taking that experience. So it's fun. I don't want to stay home and watch it on a TV because I want to experience that live.

• 53:36Theo Von?

  Right.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  So it's where you're coming from. That's the, that's the main point. And I think people are going to tune into a podcast more so because they want to feel like people are, are having a real conversation. It's interesting to them. But if you look at what happened to the talk shows and why their ratings are low, it's got only to do with the fact of what you just said, which is they all became the same show.

• 53:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  And they all became so about their politics and who's good and who's bad. And it's like, imagine sitting next to someone like that on a fucking plane.

• 54:03Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Bro, you'd be like, how do I get out of this fucking seat?

• 54:07Theo Von?

  I would fart right next to him.

• 54:09Speaker 01

  Holy cow. You fart your way out of it.

• 54:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, I would. Oh, I would for sure. And I'm sorry.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Fucking skunk. You know, the skunk's the king of the jungle. No one's playing with the skunk. You can watch all the fucking videos you want. No one's playing with a skunk. Skunk, skunk in the food chain in the woods. Fucking skunk is here. You get yourself a pit bull. I don't give a fuck what you got. The honey badger. The fucking skunk is the king of the jungle. Don't bring that badass around.

• 54:34Theo Von?

  Yeah, bro. I think it's fucking.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Am I right?

• 54:36Theo Von?

  The devil's cologne, baby.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  That's it. The devil's cologne, daddy.

• 54:40Theo Von?

  Look at that little mix, fella.

• 54:41Speaker 01

  You can talk about whatever the fuck you want as far as an animal and velocity. Right there. All hail the king.

• 54:47Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  That motherfucker's going where he wants. Now, he might need a nap. He might be like a lover that needs to recharge. You know what I mean? He might be like an older lover. He might not be able to go 10 times in a day, but that one or two times, he's going to get it right, Theo.

• 55:01Theo Von?

  But what's he having for lunch? Oh, they have to go to.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Whatever the fuck he wants, whatever's around. He can hit a spray and get everyone else to scurry. Don't bother him.

• 55:08Theo Von?

  God.

• 55:09Speaker 01

  Well, once that skunk puts its tail up, you got a real decision to make.

• 55:12Theo Von?

  What a fucking.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  How fucking, how much of a badass are you?

• 55:14Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Right? So if you brought that skunk mentality to the plane, you fucking run that shit.

• 55:20Theo Von?

  Well, I'm just saying every now and then if somebody won't fucking shut up, dude.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  You gotta put some ass on him.

• 55:25Theo Von?

  Well, you just gotta be a, you know what I'm saying? You gotta be the king of the jungle. That's all I'm saying, bro. That's all I'm saying for sure.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:32Theo Von?

  But did you ever feel, you never felt ostracized in, in, in by Hollywood at all or no?

• 55:37Speaker 01

  I always, I got along with people for the most, and always was, you know.

• 55:40Theo Von?

  Always had a great career.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  Try to be honest who I am, but yeah, there's times you felt like it would have been easier. It's almost like a career move.

• 55:46Theo Von?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? But I was always the other way too. Like, I'm not jumping on a hundred percent this or this, because I have opinions on both sides. There's shit I don't agree with at all.

• 55:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 55:56Speaker 01

  And then there's shit I don't agree with at all.

• 55:58Theo Von?

  I don't see how people could, could choose a side completely.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  It's so crazy.

• 56:02Theo Von?

  Because also, once you're on a side, you're on a side. Fuck that. I want to be able to have the freedom to go.

• 56:05Speaker 01

  Flexibility. Yeah. And also, some, I'm agree with this over here. I agree with this over there. It is what it is. But I, I just, we never cared about it so much. It wasn't our defining conversations about how I like somebody or life. We weren't 23 sitting around talking about fucking taxes.

• 56:22Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  But I think as it started to encroach on us, for me, I started to go a little bit back here because nobody wants to be told what to do.

• 56:32Theo Von?

  Or feel like everything you do has to be through a certain lens.

• 56:35Speaker 01

  Or worrying about if people think you're kind or not. Like, you're not gonna tell me.

• 56:39Theo Von?

  And especially when everybody's pretending a lot of times, because I would have friends acting one way, but then like, kind of speaking another way sometimes.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  Well, those are the people that are so focused on how they're coming off.

• 56:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  You know, they, they're worried about, and that's not a real journey, and you're hurting in that. I think we all go through those stages younger. Like, everyone learns that lesson.

• 56:59Theo Von?

  Well, we all want to be accepted.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you learn younger the right way to do it. Hopefully, we never get it perfect, and you learn the wrong way. But if you're constantly worried what someone else thinks of you, and you're only around them a couple hours a day, you're miserable most of the time. You gotta really try to be, you know, find the way to be yourself, but be respectful. You know, that's the other side that I think happened is when I was a kid, if I was loud in a restaurant, my parents would say, these people didn't come here to hear you fucking scream.

• 57:24Theo Von?

  Well, dude, you stared at the Amish wrong and you got berated.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  I got dog talked.

• 57:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  But now if you're mad in a restaurant, they'll say, are you okay? And I just think it's important to be aware of how you're affecting other people.

• 57:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  But if you're all about you and you're right and they're bad and you're good, then you're okay to go after somebody because you're not really thinking about what that's, what their shoes are, you know?

• 57:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, we've started to like, for like, make it seem like the delusional isn't delusional sometimes.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Say that again.

• 57:52Theo Von?

  Like, yeah, something's delusional, but if we act like it isn't over and over and we'll be like,

• 57:56Speaker 01

  Normalize it.

• 57:57Theo Von?

  Yes. It's almost like you said, like the boiling water like gets a degree higher, one degree at a time, you know?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, saying that like as they change the laws a little bit at a time, you kind of wake up and you go, this has gone way further than, but it happens so slowly.

• 58:10Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 58:11Speaker 01

  That you're like, if they would have done this at once, I would have gotten out. Yeah. Hundred percent.

• 58:14Theo Von?

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• 58:57Theo Von?

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• 1:01:29Theo Von?

  I take AG1 first thing in the morning. That's what I do. One scoop with water, little shake them up and bam. No thinking required. Visit drink AG1.com/weekend to get an AG1 flavor sampler and a bottle of vitamin D3 K2 free. And your welcome kit with your first AG1 subscription, a $72 value. That's drink AG1.com/weekend. Give it a buzz. Let me know how you feel. Um, did your fan, do you always live in California since you moved here?

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  No, I went back to Chicago for a minute, but, and I lived in New York for a while, but um, I'm out here now and uh, you know, I like California. I just get tired of like everybody. Uh, it's like a lot of these big cities, I think, you know,

• 1:02:22Theo Von?

  It's a lot.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  It's a lot.

• 1:02:23Theo Von?

  It's a lot of energy.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  It's a lot of energy. It's also just, you know, uh, you're not getting, things aren't uh, getting handled well. And no one, and there's no accountability. It's like a bad relationship.

• 1:02:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  You know, it's like something, someone doesn't do what they said they're going to do and there's no, I'm sorry or want to change.

• 1:02:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, I agree, dude. It's definitely gets.

• 1:02:43Speaker 01

  But you love, I still love California.

• 1:02:44Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:45Speaker 01

  You?

• 1:02:46Theo Von?

  Oh, I just realized this is my second time back in like about three months. Um, but I was here like about two weeks ago and I do miss it more. I just miss some of the energy. Like I live in Nashville now and there's just less energy there. You know, it's, it's just different.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:02:59Theo Von?

  You know, like here you can meet more people. There's more like things going on. Um,

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  But you're in a great spot where you can do both. You can enjoy your time here and you can enjoy your time there. Yeah.

• 1:03:08Theo Von?

  So it's been good, man.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:10Theo Von?

  Um, the, what did I see? Oh, Chicago. You said, uh, are you a Bears fan or no?

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  I am, yeah.

• 1:03:15Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude. Fucking Williams, bro.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Bro.

• 1:03:18Theo Von?

  He's, he's really great for like four and a half minutes a game.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  That ice, yeah. I mean, if you look at that NFC, we barely beat the Packers and the Rams barely beat us. And then, and then we're obviously right, then they lost. Those games were all so close, but it was exciting because we've been so bad for so long. It was good to be good.

• 1:03:37Theo Von?

  We were channeling through the TV. We were like screaming like, is somebody make this happen?

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  Who do you, who do you cheer for?

• 1:03:43Theo Von?

  I'm a Saints fan, so yeah, we've had a tough.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  Do you know, do you know some of those guys? I like the Saints organization. I like Mickey, the, the GM.

• 1:03:50Theo Von?

  I never met Mickey.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  He's a great guy.

• 1:03:51Theo Von?

  Is he?

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. He's good friends with Hayden.

• 1:03:53Theo Von?

  Oh, he is?

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:54Theo Von?

  I wonder if I haven't met him then. Um, no, I haven't.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  They had a good year. They turned around this year.

• 1:03:58Theo Von?

  They did good.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, they did better.

• 1:03:59Theo Von?

  Tyler Shaw, everybody's excited about him.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:01Theo Von?

  Who just had a baby. Bring up a picture of his baby since we'll, we're, since I'm a fan of their. Cam Jordan's a great guy that plays over there in that organization.

• 1:04:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, he just came out and said nice things about your quarterback.

• 1:04:12Theo Von?

  He did?

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:04:13Theo Von?

  He's, uh.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Cam Jordan's nasty. He's fast.

• 1:04:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  He's a great, he's a pass rusher all, all by himself.

• 1:04:19Theo Von?

  I would not want him chasing me. I wouldn't even go knock on his door and run off or whatever.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  You wouldn't want him coming and saying, I moved to the neighborhood and I got to register.

• 1:04:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Speaker 01

  He ain't going nowhere, bro. He ain't getting away.

• 1:04:30Theo Von?

  Oh, I'd be like, just touch me now and get it over with.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  No basement, nothing's keeping you safe, dude.

• 1:04:34Theo Von?

  No cellar doors are gonna keep you safe. Um, do you, do you wish, when you look on that, on that, uh, there he is right there. I know he's had a baby. Congratulations.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Congrats.

• 1:04:42Theo Von?

  QB1. Um, do you, when you look back at that Bears game, do you think that they, you wish that it would've gone to on that moment? Like, just that momentum was there.

• 1:04:49Speaker 01

  It was amazing to hit that crazy pass.

• 1:04:52Theo Von?

  That was insane.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  And then we had that last drive. All we needed was a field goal. But we got, you know, it was, it was the same kind of thing a lot. We lived and died by the sword all season.

• 1:05:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:01Speaker 01

  So I, I thought it was a fun year. Would've loved to have won the game, but there's a lot of pieces to be excited about.

• 1:05:07Theo Von?

  Yeah, just that confusion at the end. Like, how does they not know which way the guy, like, as a fan, I'm sure it's way more complicated as a player. But as a fan, you're like, how do you guys not know what the, this is the most crucial moment?

• 1:05:17Speaker 01

  I know. I don't know what happened there. I've heard different stuff.

• 1:05:20Theo Von?

  I don't think anybody.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  I don't think anybody.

• 1:05:21Theo Von?

  And then it's almost like, was everybody just so cold they wanted to go home? There's a little bit of that energy. Because I think that happens a lot where you're just like, I'm so cold, I just wanna go home.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, you think it was, be advantage for them. They'd be more used to it, but you never know. Cause some of those guys could be from Louisiana playing on the team. It's not like all of them grew up in the cold.

• 1:05:37Theo Von?

  Oh, I.

• 1:05:38Speaker 01

  They're all from everywhere.

• 1:05:39Theo Von?

  I wish that teams had their, all the players from their state. I think it would give us so much more of like a, our state versus your state.

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  It used to be more that way with college, but it's, that's in a, in a crazy place now. Yeah, the college game.

• 1:05:51Theo Von?

  It's gotten baffled.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  I think it's good people are getting paid. I just don't think they've figured it out yet.

• 1:05:54Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think we're in like the, kind of the Wild West years of it.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:57Theo Von?

  Um, do you, the, the Bears might be moving their stadium. Did you see that?

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  I saw that.

• 1:06:01Theo Von?

  What do you think about that?

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  Well, I'd like to see them stay. Um. But I think they gotta, they gotta figure something out with the state. I haven't followed it too closely. What do you know about it?

• 1:06:11Theo Von?

  It seems like, and Zach's a, one of our producers is a

• 1:06:16Speaker 01

  Bears?

• 1:06:17Theo Von?

  He's a Bengals fan, but he's, he's in the know. It seems like it's because time is ticking for Illinois lawmakers to make a better offer for the Bears. On Thursday, Indiana pushed legislation forward that clears the way for the Bears to build a new stadium in Hammond. Is it just because they're willing to give them more money?

• 1:06:35Speaker 01

  I haven't, I, I, I think it's something to do with economics, obviously. So I don't know what.

• 1:06:40Speaker 02

  I think there's a big tax incentives to go over to Hammond, Indiana. And Hammond, Indiana isn't exactly like the coolest place. So I think there's some people upset.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  It's close though. It's right over the, right over.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it's Chicago is such a vibe in that city. I think people seem to be like widely, but.

• 1:06:56Theo Von?

  And also if you move something to a new place, then there's going to be so much surrounding, you know what I'm saying? They can put in all types of other things to go on.

• 1:07:02Speaker 01

  I mean, I like to see it. It's like, it's the, it's the second oldest franchise in the NFL. The oldest is the Cardinals, which is from Illinois originally, before they went to St. Louis.

• 1:07:10Theo Von?

  Oh, St. Louis Cardinals?

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it was originally the Illinois. It was Chicago. It was, it was from Illinois. It's the, that's the oldest team in the NFL, the Cardinals. So they were from Illinois. And then they went to St. Louis and then they ended up in Arizona.

• 1:07:23Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  They're like a senior citizen. As you get older, you start to move warmer and warmer, right? They follow the, they follow the moving habits of like someone who's retired.

• 1:07:33Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  But the Bears, the Bears are such a, the Bears are such a crazy, you know, George Halas, it's so crazy that it's only the NFC trophies named after him because he was really the, he was the first one to get a college player to play for the NFL, the galloping ghost. Did you know that?

• 1:07:49Theo Von?

  Mm-mm.

• 1:07:50Speaker 01

  Well, originally pro football was just farmers and, you know, there was no, no well-known names because there was no money in it. And college football was real popular, but going to college was even harder back then. And so when you'd come out of college, if you had a degree, you had a real opportunity to earn money.

• 1:08:06Theo Von?

  Oh, so you would go, you would go work. Like, I'm not going to go screw, I can't go screw around and be irresponsible.

• 1:08:09Speaker 01

  With a bunch of these rednecks and I'm going to go play football. No one's watching. So Halas, he played for the Yankees. He was a baseball player. He went to Red Grange from the University of Illinois and he said, I'll give you half the gate. If you come on a barnstorming tour, we'll go play places and then people showed up, they'd go watch the, they go watch Red Grange, who was a big time college player. And so when they got Red Grange to join, to play with the Bears, they knew if they could get the college guys to come in, the fans would grow and then the college guys were more open to it because you could pay them because you'd get the fans to fill up the stadiums.

• 1:08:43Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  And then when they first did it, whatever college you were from, you would play for that local team because the college would already be a fan of you, the people in the area would be a fan.

• 1:08:53Theo Von?

  Right, so let's sell tickets that way.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  So that, so then you, and then they started the draft after that, but, but George Halas did everything. He was a player, he was a coach, he was an owner. He beat Lombardi as a coach in his heyday one year. He, he coached the team and did well, but he started so much that's in the NFL today, Papa Bear. He was, he's really the, the, probably the most important figure in the, in the NFL.

• 1:09:12Theo Von?

  George Halas?

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  George Halas. It would be a shame, and he's from Chicago, so it would be a shame to see that, that team leave that city with that history.

• 1:09:20Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  For sure. But I hope they, I haven't really looked into it, but I hope they're able to figure it out and, and come to terms that, that, that, uh, worked for everybody. But he's a, he's an amazing figure in sports and they named the, the NFC trophy after him, the Halas Trophy.

• 1:09:36Theo Von?

  Hmm. Bring up that Red Grange picture. Thank you, George Halas, for your efforts. Look at Red Grange, dude.

• 1:09:42Speaker 01

  The galping goes. Well, that's the other quarterback you could make the argument for is Otto Graham. He was from Waukegan, Illinois. When you look at him, it's crazy. I think he won, I could be wrong, but did he win seven championships in 10 years as a quarterback? I think he played for the Browns, right?

• 1:09:57Theo Von?

  Otto Graham.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  But here's what's interesting about him. He went to Northwestern, he hit, he was a, he, he had a 300 batting average in college. And that's when everyone played baseball because baseball was the only way to make real money.

• 1:10:10Theo Von?

  It was king.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  It was king. And he played basketball in college and I think he won what would be an NBA championship. He was like the sixth man on a pro team. So he won a championship in professional basketball, hit 300 in college. And I think as a quarterback, did he win seven championships in 10 years, right?

• 1:10:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  Is that right? Is that crazy? Think about that. And, and, and you know, everyone wants to say the goat, the goat. But you can't really compare era to era. You know, Jordan said, it's hard to say who the greatest of all time was because it was different rules, a different time. And one person learns from the next person. So Otto Graham dominated his era. Obviously Brady dominated his era, you know, and this guy. So it's so hard to compare era to era. Who was the best? I think sports always want to sell you now that you're watching the best ever because it sells tickets. Who doesn't want to feel like they're watching the best product ever?

• 1:10:57Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  But it's a totally different game than it was back when you could hit a quarterback when LT played.

• 1:11:02Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  So I'm not saying that it's, it's not better that they've changed it. I'm just saying it's hard to compare one quarterback from an era to another.

• 1:11:10Theo Von?

  Well, they never had turf toe when we were growing up. Remember, when did they come out with that?

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:11:15Theo Von?

  You know what I'm saying though? Like, could we never hear a guy has turf toe? You would hear a guy's toe was in pain. So he carved it off with his nail, with his wife's nail clippers on the way to the stadium. So he could still play.

• 1:11:26Speaker 01

  Ronnie Lott, right? He took his finger off.

• 1:11:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:28Speaker 01

  He ripped his finger off so he could play. Different era. Yeah.

• 1:11:31Theo Von?

  Yeah. Let me see that shit.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  That's the thing I always marvel at.

• 1:11:33Theo Von?

  Crazy though, dude.

• 1:11:34Speaker 01

  Ronnie Lott ripped his finger off. He's like, I'm going back in. That's a dedication. That's not a hobby. But you know, that's what I always think is crazy. When you hear about boxers, what's the longest boxing fight of all time?

• 1:11:45Theo Von?

  It used to be like 27 rounds.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  I think some fought 100 rounds. Am I crazy? Could you jump rope for 100 rounds for three minutes? No way. What's the longest fight?

• 1:11:53Theo Von?

  I mean, it's probably the one in Gaza right now, but I'm assuming that.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  That's true. That's true. That's true.

• 1:11:59Theo Von?

  Um, Andy, Bowen and Jack Burke, the longest boxing match in history was 110 round bout?

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Cause they used to fight until someone couldn't answer it.

• 1:12:07Theo Von?

  But at the end, we're just whispering heavily at each other. Like, how?

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  I think you're in the bathroom a lot. I don't even think anyone saw it.

• 1:12:13Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  But so that's the thing that's crazy. And they would fight like, look how many fights these guys had. These guys would fight like 10 times a year. Now they're fighting twice a year.

• 1:12:21Theo Von?

  That's.

• 1:12:22Speaker 01

  How many fights did, did Sugar Ray Robinson have? Did he have like 300 or something? Isn't that crazy?

• 1:12:28Theo Von?

  Yeah. And now a guy will have maybe 30.

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  30? Cause they, they, they know, they space it out. But how do you compare these guys? How many fights, what was his record? I can't see.

• 1:12:36Theo Von?

  At the end, he was one seventy-four and nineteen and six.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  So just about two hundred.

• 1:12:42Theo Von?

  What?

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:12:44Theo Von?

  Oh, my gosh. Sugar must have been stevia by the end of that, dude. He had the aspartame beat out of him.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  You don't think he ever had, he probably had a turf toe.

• 1:12:52Theo Von?

  He probably had a turf head at a certain point, dude. That's so crazy.

• 1:12:57Speaker 01

  The difference was-

• 1:12:58Theo Von?

  That's unbelievable. Why do you think someone could be like that?

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Well, this is the stuff that they're not, but this is, I remember when my dad grew up and he'd go to the farm where his dad was, because his parents were divorced. So in the summer, he'd go work the farm. But they didn't have any running water. So he said when they would bath, they'd go down to the fucking creek and fill up the thing with water. They'd boil it and then dad would bathe, then his older brother, then him. But that wasn't that long ago.

• 1:13:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Speaker 01

  So if you go back then, everything took physical strength.

• 1:13:27Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  Like just moving around. No one was sitting around playing Mario Kart in between games.

• 1:13:31Theo Von?

  Right. Your thumbs were the strongest parts of your body.

• 1:13:32Speaker 01

  So you were always like, just doing anything took so much energy and strength. You're using your muscles every day. So I think they train smarter, they know more. But there's more downtime and less strain on your body doing daily tasks. But back then, these guys were just getting from place A to place B was exhausting.

• 1:13:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  But I don't know how you could fight a hundred and ten rounds. I don't know if you could do jumping jacks for a hundred and ten rounds.

• 1:13:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  It's so crazy. How did they do that? Remember, they used to have fifteen round fights and then they went to twelve. Because they thought fifteen was too much. So I don't know how to compare. How do you compare someone? How do you compare someone from that era to this era? It's just a different time.

• 1:14:10Theo Von?

  Impossible.

• 1:14:11Speaker 01

  A different sport.

• 1:14:11Theo Von?

  And also, they say like the diet has gotten better and we have, like, if all these things have gotten better, you'd think that they would be able to do it more. But then part of it probably has been that the commercialization of it has come in and like, well, let's only have it be here so we can have the viewership and have to sell the tickets then. So that could be part of it.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  Or understanding safety. Back then, like you said, they wouldn't even know what turf toe was. It was just you moved on.

• 1:14:32Theo Von?

  Oh, every other person had a glass eye. When I was a kid, every other person had a glass eye. Like if some guy was gonna, I remember at the, at the fair or whatever, when the fair would come, you'd have a guy that would sit there and have a hat full of people's glass eyes. You'd like, you'd set it and therefore you went on the ride.

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  They put their eyes out because they didn't want to lose on the tilt-a-whirl?

• 1:14:48Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. People that had one, they'd be like-

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  They leave their eye in the bag?

• 1:14:51Theo Von?

  They leave it in a little basket or whatever, like basket for eyes and loose change or whatever.

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  That's an exciting hometown. I never saw that.

• 1:14:55Theo Von?

  Get it when you come back out. But you'd have four of them in there at a time. You know what I'm saying? That people.

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  That'd be tough on a date. There'd be some rides you couldn't go on. Maybe we're not going on the tilt.

• 1:15:04Theo Von?

  Honey.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Honey, let's go on the, let's go on the, what's that one that goes up real slow? Ferris wheel.

• 1:15:09Theo Von?

  The Ferris wheel?

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Isn't that the slow one where you kind of sit at the top?

• 1:15:12Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, that's.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, that's what you're not going on that salt and pepper ride where you're fucking.

• 1:15:16Theo Von?

  No, that was.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  Going up and down. We used to do that with friends. We'd dare them. We'd go have like hot dogs or hamburgers and then at the end, you dare someone, can anyone eat all this for 20 bucks? And someone would be desperate for money. So they'd be like, fuck, we don't kick it. And they'd be like, I'm gonna have a shake. I'll eat those chili fries. I'll finish that chicken breast sandwich. And then you'd say, okay, another 20 bucks if you go on that salt and pepper ride. And they'd fucking lose their shit. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's a different, it's so weird. I also think the food might have been healthier.

• 1:15:46Theo Von?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  Remember they went through that whole stuff with the oil, seed oil, and we know it's bad for you.

• 1:15:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  But they went through a whole thing saying you should cook with that. But back then, people were just cooking with butter.

• 1:15:54Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  I think the food was health, that was more natural.

• 1:15:57Theo Von?

  Butter?

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  It was less, it was less fucked up food in some ways.

• 1:15:59Theo Von?

  Dude, strong saliva dip spit. People would cook in it. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  Did you start dipping young?

• 1:16:04Theo Von?

  Uh, yeah, because I used to work on a farm. So we would chew the, like the block of tobacco.

• 1:16:10Speaker 01

  Like red man?

• 1:16:11Theo Von?

  Yeah, like the, um.

• 1:16:13Speaker 01

  Would you like skull wintergreen, like the circular one?

• 1:16:15Theo Von?

  No, no, we just plugged tobacco.

• 1:16:17Speaker 01

  We all, we had a thing, so we did like.

• 1:16:19Theo Von?

  Plug.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  When I first started as a kid, we didn't know it was that bad for you.

• 1:16:22Theo Von?

  That was it right there.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  We knew smoking was bad, but you would think this wouldn't hurt your. Then they started showing pictures in the school of people missing their jaws, but.

• 1:16:30Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  But, but originally you thought it's not bad for your wind. But it was all like the skull wintergreen, like the, the circle stuff.

• 1:16:36Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  And then, but the red man was the leaf. But the first time you do it, you're gonna vomit.

• 1:16:40Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. I puked out of my friend's mom's car.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  Older kids are like, here, try this.

• 1:16:44Theo Von?

  Yeah. And they will watch you fucking vomit.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Were you in a car?

• 1:16:47Theo Von?

  Yeah. I sat out of each window. I was like, oh, maybe I'm sick just at this window. And I sat out of each window and puked out of each window.

• 1:16:53Speaker 01

  There's no way to keep it in more than two or three minutes. You're on the, you're on the ground.

• 1:16:56Theo Von?

  It was the worst. It still makes me fucking sick. It was cherry skull or something.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Do you remember the first alcohol you got really drunk on?

• 1:17:04Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, of course. So I remember climbing up a shelf in my brother's closet. I found per, a pornos, they had pornos up there.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  That was a surprise. You wouldn't expect them that.

• 1:17:13Theo Von?

  It was a lot of surprises. This one shelf I'd never been to. They had a little stack of towels.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  You were a ground barrier and he was putting shit up high. He was a mountain hider.

• 1:17:22Theo Von?

  Oh, I'm like, oh, this is where things are up here. Yeah. And I got up there and I remember this kinda like, and I found liquor up there.

• 1:17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, what, what was it?

• 1:17:33Theo Von?

  Alize, it was called. It was like a, um, pretty, more of an urban liqueur, I think. Bring it up a bottle of it. It was considered an urban liqueur right there. The orange was so good.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Have you ever had it since?

• 1:17:46Theo Von?

  I've never had it since.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  See, that's how it is. My first drunk was peppermint schnapps, and I never touched, touched it again. I think the first time you get really drunk, you never revisit that.

• 1:17:56Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Ever, ever.

• 1:17:58Theo Von?

  But the first time-

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  How did you do it? Were you playing quarters? Or were you just drinking by your, were you with friends?

• 1:18:02Theo Von?

  No.

• 1:18:03Speaker 01

  Were you by yourself?

• 1:18:04Theo Von?

  I was by myself.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  Oh, bro.

• 1:18:06Theo Von?

  I remember drinking and then watching porno or whatever, and then I blacked-

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  You had, you started off as a fun afternoon.

• 1:18:13Theo Von?

  Horrible. But here, thirty years later, it's still, it's still been an issue, you know?

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Did you just go through like, what? Like a quarter of a bottle or a couple glasses?

• 1:18:23Theo Von?

  I think I had four sips, jerked off, and then blacked out.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Woke up with the, with the evidence all around. You didn't even clean up the crime scene.

• 1:18:30Theo Von?

  Woke up, yeah, with my glass eye and a hat. Yeah.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  I didn't do nothing. Friends were over here. I'm pissed that they left the house like this.

• 1:18:36Theo Von?

  Yeah, mom, can you believe some kid came over here, jerked off on my stomach, and drank some of this and left, mom? Times have changed. Um, with your new movie, if you could go, uh, Mike, Nick, Nick, and Alice.

• 1:18:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Theo Von?

  If you could go, cause your character kinda goes back in time to make something different.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:52Theo Von?

  Is there a time, if you could go back in time, that you would go back to? Kind of like, I know it's a general question, it's kinda whatever, but, you know, it fits with the film, man.

• 1:19:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:01Theo Von?

  And it makes you think, what would you go back to change? Cause I think it used to be, people would be like, I'd go back and stop Hitler, I'd do, go back and, you know, I'd go back and help Napoleon or do whatever, you know?

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  You think you would.

• 1:19:09Theo Von?

  Or I'd go back and like be in, you know, Jumanji one or whatever.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:19:13Theo Von?

  But then now, it's like people I think would do individual things. Like I'd go back and, you know, buy a, a, a bitcoin or something, you know?

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  It's more realistic.

• 1:19:20Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  It's a crazy thing to think you're gonna go and be the one guy to fucking-

• 1:19:25Theo Von?

  Battle up country.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Go to the king and tell him to shut the fuck up and no one else is, you know what I mean? Like, people always like that. It makes me laugh, right? I'd go do the, oh, would you have?

• 1:19:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:19:34Theo Von?

  Dude, I'll go back and tell him, yeah, obviously no one's walking up to the guy and saying, hey, Hitler, calm down, you know? I'll be the guy. That's hilarious.

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  Have you thought about, in your life, what you would do?

• 1:19:46Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think I would go back maybe to a certain time probably and uh I think I could have been better like in this one relationship I was in probably.

• 1:19:55Speaker 01

  That's a great, that's a great thing that you feel that. But, but, but I, I would say to you, I, I had had those thoughts, but then I realized you have to travel down every road you travel down. And you don't get to learn those lessons without making those mistakes. And so you're kind of in a good spot now. You're very reflective, you think about stuff. And so maybe if you hadn't gone through those things, not that you wanna, you know, get hurt or hurt anyone, but sometimes you gotta go through those lessons. And so like what we were talking about earlier, where I said you can ask for those things now, you gotta take that knowledge and bring that to your new thing.

• 1:20:33Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  And maybe you think if you went back, but normally the person you were dating was sometimes had their own lessons to learn. And that's why you found each other. And you can romanticize like what if we were each different people, but you weren't. And hopefully you're both better people from the experience. So I think you can not go back to that, but you can take the lessons and have something great now. And I don't know that you would have been in that relationship with that exact person if you were a different person at that time. There was probably something with her going on too, that, that drew you guys together to teach each other that, whatever that experience was. Makes sense?

• 1:21:11Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, no, it, it does make sense, man. Yeah, I think there's just like a probably, it's almost like an ego part of it. Once I think about it now from that. It's like, yeah, you just wish you could go back and love somebody differently.

• 1:21:21Speaker 01

  I love that. But you can love that person different now. And it's okay, Theo, because you weren't, you, you, how would you have known that?

• 1:21:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:28Speaker 01

  Unless you're going through it. It's like kids, you know, sometimes you take something away from a kid and then you see him cry. You know, if you're just playing with toys, you go, oh, that, that doesn't feel good. But I don't know that you can learn that without seeing the response of somebody else.

• 1:21:41Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:42Speaker 01

  Do you know what I'm saying?

• 1:21:43Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  But I think, but that's the thing with nostalgia is you can get excited, I think, about doing those things the right way now. So you, your nostalgia, because you look back at those, you don't want to hurt anybody. You wish you could have played it out differently, but it played out the way it was supposed to for where you and that person was at. And also it's our ego. We're not that powerful.

• 1:22:03Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Like sometimes, I don't know if you've ever suffered from this, but I, I could really get caught up in trying to help friends. And then I realized I use so much time and energy and I'm really not that powerful. Like I can't want them to change. In the same way that I probably had people try to help me and I wasn't ready to change. So you really can't get someone to a place that you think is right for them. You can say it once, you can, you know, you can encourage them.

• 1:22:29Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:22:29Speaker 01

  You can give them grace and be there for them, but ultimately you can't really make that kind of a big shift with them.

• 1:22:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  Have you found that?

• 1:22:37Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, for sure. You think you can, or there's times where it's like, yeah, I didn't try this enough or something like that, but yeah, yeah, I couldn't.

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Because I think we're hurting. And so when we find better ways of doing things, we want everyone to have that.

• 1:22:52Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:53Speaker 01

  And I don't know if you felt this way, but I, but I don't know. Yeah, I had to go through a lot of it on my own. You know, like I had to learn those lessons and figure it out. When like the cavalry showed up and saved me. Not that I didn't have good people in my life.

• 1:23:05Theo Von?

  No, but you.

• 1:23:06Speaker 01

  But everyone does. They have to go through those stages too.

• 1:23:09Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. You have to see something that like surprises you enough, or you have to sometimes, you have to hit a level for you that's like, this has to be different, you know?

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:18Theo Von?

  But yeah, you can't, like you can offer suggestions, you can kind of show somebody, you can lead by example sometimes.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  And I think you can reflect on times when you handle stuff in ways that you feel good about.

• 1:23:28Theo Von?

  Yeah, I don't do enough of that sometimes.

• 1:23:29Speaker 01

  But I bet you have a lot of it.

• 1:23:31Theo Von?

  I probably have some good ones, yeah.

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, some really good. And as you get older, don't you think more and more? Yeah. And so that's, that's what's in front of you. And so that's why I would say the nostalgia is, I like that for myself too, but I realize at some point I have to take those things and really try to do it with what's in front of me now. And I think you can have that exact relationship. Instead of saying, wasting time on saying, "Well, I'm older now. I should have started this younger." You can say, "I know these things now and I'm gonna start it now." And I'm gonna get a great experience based on the things I know. Cause the other just takes you in a place where you're kinda not allowing it.

• 1:24:09Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, well, yeah. Yeah, I think it's making sure that you're learning from the past, you know?

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then you feel excited for what's in front of you. And you can't really go back and, that's the thing with stuff. It's like, you gotta look at it and learn from it. You can't... But then at some point, you gotta move forward.

• 1:24:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  You know, it's like anything. It's like a set. What did I do right? What did I do wrong? What should I have done? But at some point, you're good to move on and go to the next set. Cause if you just dwell on that set, you can get stuck in it to the point where it's counterproductive.

• 1:24:41Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Do you have a process for that of dealing with?

• 1:24:45Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure, yeah.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  Do you have a good process now that you feel good about?

• 1:24:48Theo Von?

  I think it's gotten better.

• 1:24:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:50Theo Von?

  I think even having conversations like this are probably helpful, to be honest about it, you know?

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Same, for me too.

• 1:24:54Theo Von?

  Having things that are like reminders and be like, "Yeah," and that's, that is, yeah.

• 1:24:59Speaker 01

  And I think you can take the things that you've done well at that in your professional life and apply those same principles to our personal life.

• 1:25:06Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  Or try to.

• 1:25:11Speaker 01

  But I don't know that I would go back to answer your question because, and I don't mean-

• 1:25:14Theo Von?

  But your character has to go back.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  If you would've asked me 10 years ago, I would've said, "Oh, for sure." Cause I'm, I'm not saying there's not things I didn't handle really bad.

• 1:25:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Or things I regret. Of course there is. But I think I couldn't change those, cause I don't know that I would've come out as different or stronger, or at least more thoughtful if I hadn't gone through those experiences. You gotta walk down every road, I think, so...

• 1:25:36Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 1:25:37Speaker 01

  I like the idea that I could go back, but maybe you fuck up some other shit.

• 1:25:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude, yeah, that's a good point. Oh, I think I probably would.

• 1:25:44Speaker 01

  I just maybe would push the lesson till later.

• 1:25:47Speaker 01

  I still make some of the same mistakes. So like, you know, you get, you get better at it. I find that the time in between the mistakes is longer, but they never go away all the way.

• 1:25:56Theo Von?

  And your reaction to them and give yourself a little bit more grace, but yeah, and making sure you don't go down. And making sure sometimes that you don't like maybe hurt other people as much, you know, you know, or, or just like that you're more.

• 1:26:06Speaker 01

  I could, you're very thoughtful. I bet you don't do that very often.

• 1:26:08Theo Von?

  You're more respectful of their feelings anyway. Not like actually hurt somebody, but uh.

• 1:26:12Speaker 01

  But I know what you mean. Hurt doesn't mean physical necessarily. It means that you made someone feel unloved or unwanted or underappreciated.

• 1:26:18Theo Von?

  Like a bruised banana or whatever.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. But you know, there's, there's also a thing with being funny and connecting. It's a weird thing because I really enjoy teasing with friends sometimes and if someone showed any weakness, we'd kill you until you didn't, until it didn't bother you. Anything that bothered you, that was going to be the topic of jokes until you got over it. Wasn't our job to make you okay.

• 1:26:39Theo Von?

  That's a good point.

• 1:26:40Speaker 01

  You had to fuck it. And I think some of that was good.

• 1:26:42Theo Von?

  Oh dude, it was the best, bro. We would fucking, everybody would pick on you, everybody, but everybody got it. You would all deal with it. And now everything is, now it's more like bullying. Dude, I saw two Waymos bullying a fucking Kia Sorento on the way here. And I was like, nobody's helping this guy, you know, or whatever, this female, I don't know what a Kia is.

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  We were just brutal.

• 1:27:02Theo Von?

  Oh, so much fun.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  If we knew it bothered you, it would, it would never stop. So it was a weird concept to me where I thought you're not making fun of each other.

• 1:27:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, we were just communicating. Even animals call each other names, I bet a lot.

• 1:27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:18Theo Von?

  You know, we just don't know it.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're at least signaling that they're not into what they're doing. Yeah.

• 1:27:22Theo Von?

  Um, but your character has to go back in time. I do want to make sure that I talk about your movie a little bit more and then we'll get you out of here. Um, and thanks so much for your time today, man.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  No, it's great to, to hang with you. I enjoy listening to you and appreciate, appreciate you. So it's fun to get a chance to sit and talk with you.

• 1:27:36Theo Von?

  Well, same man. Thanks for all the entertainment and uh, inspiration and like, yeah, just so much good humor over the years. Thank you.

• 1:27:42Speaker 01

  Back, back at you.

• 1:27:45Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're because your character goes back in time, not really to help himself, though, kinda.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  That's right. Well, isn't it to help himself in a way like?

• 1:27:51Theo Von?

  Oh, that's a good point.

• 1:27:53Speaker 01

  He doesn't love the way that he's handled stuff.

• 1:27:55Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  And he realizes the pain he caused.

• 1:27:57Theo Von?

  Well, you don't think that's what it's for in the beginning, kind of.

• 1:28:00Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 1:28:01Theo Von?

  You kind of get, yeah, like you get that as it goes along a little bit. I don't want to give away too much of it because there's there's moments in it that were very like a surprises to me. I was like, oh.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  There's some good twists. Yeah. But I think the concept's right. And I think all of us hopefully are that way. I don't know. I think people are happier when you're thinking about others more. And I don't say that in like a kind way, like I'm great. I mean, just it's as a general feeling, you feel better when you are thoughtful of others and connecting with them than when it's all about you.

• 1:28:33Theo Von?

  We've been scientifically.

• 1:28:33Speaker 01

  We never had friends like that. We wouldn't hang out with somebody that would talk about themselves all fucking day.

• 1:28:37Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  Would you?

• 1:28:39Theo Von?

  Well, didn't even have it as much back then.

• 1:28:41Speaker 01

  You wouldn't be at the fucking, you wouldn't be included. Nobody wants to hear about it. How you're great. No one wants to hear how you're killing it all day. It's so weird. But you know what's I find now? Like parents do with their kids, it's everywhere. Me, me, me. It's so crazy. It's just in general, I think there's way more of a, it's odd because you're marrying the one hand that what we were talking about. With this kind of better than now, but on the other hand, it's really kind of about ourselves more. It's a weird cultural moment.

• 1:29:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, well, it's like we just see so much reflection of ourselves, you know? And we don't have a lot of time to integrate. That's one of the biggest things I noticed. It used to be like you'd go see a movie or you would read a book or you would read some pages of a book or things like that. And then your brain and your heart and stuff would have time to integrate stuff. But now it's like we'll get on our phone or there's a there's a next thing, there's a next call. There's so much connection that you're not really processing.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Are you good at downtime and processing?

• 1:29:37Theo Von?

  I'm getting better at it.

• 1:29:38Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:29:38Theo Von?

  Because I want it more. I start to realize, oh, there's so much peace in this thing, you know? It's like, yeah, there's just, it's almost there's nowhere to hide from the electronica. It feels like sometimes these days, you know?

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  For sure. I could be guilty. You get stuff, a game or something that you like.

• 1:29:53Theo Von?

  Yeah, but your phone, a game, a TV, another screen there, an advertisement, whatever. You know, even just a little Chinese guy that's just telling you something, you know, it's like it never ends. It's just like a lot of information coming at you. Um.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Do you have a good group of pals and people that you connect with and hang out with a lot in Nashville or here? Or is it more like everyone's in different locations and you hook up and you hook up?

• 1:30:16Theo Von?

  Yeah. But I gotta do a little bit better. I think I need to branch out a little bit more. I know good people. So I think sometimes I have to be.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  I like my alone time. Do you?

• 1:30:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, but it can be isolating for me too at a certain point.

• 1:30:26Speaker 01

  I like to recharge. I like that. And then I do like to hang out.

• 1:30:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  But I'm not someone who wants to hang out four days a week.

• 1:30:32Theo Von?

  Did you feel a responsibility? Cause you did those, you did that, um, is Swingers one where y'all go to Las Vegas? Yeah.

• 1:30:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:37Theo Von?

  And did, so did you ever feel like a responsibility to people that were going to Vegas? Like some guy that got like GHB by a hook or something. It's like, I'm here cause of Vin, you know what I'm saying? Did you ever feel any, like you ever lay in bed at night and be like, how many guys, like how many dudes are laying without a kidney in an ice bath right now?

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  No, I always looked at like storytelling and comedy, like, you know, there, there, there are stories, like campfire stories, same with comedy. So, uh, they're not like how to books.

• 1:31:05Theo Von?

  But people take them that way.

• 1:31:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it's crazy. It's like, you know, I remember like when I would watch, uh, you know, you know, fun movies. They were escapism, but I never, we were never so fucking dumb that we were like, oh, they're telling me like, I gotta go out and risky business. I gotta go get some hookers and fucking get into Harvard. Do you know what I mean? Like they were, they were having fun with, they were having fun with what was going on at the culture.

• 1:31:30Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:31:30Speaker 01

  So like in that movie, it was the mom and dad are like, you gotta go to Harvard. You can't fucking have a party. And he's like, I'm a fucking horny teenager. I'm looking to, I'm looking to fucking mix it up. Like I'm living right now. And so the, the idea of that was the thing that was a problem, saying what the fuck? And running hookers as a pimp for the suburban kids, that's actually the thing that got him into Harvard.

• 1:31:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:51Speaker 01

  Right? It's a crazy movie, but we never were like, oh yeah, they're, these guys are my parents and they're telling me, I better go fucking start a brothel out of my fucking basement, going back to basement. It's like, no, it was escapism. It's fun. So like Swingers is a, is really about, you know, uh, friends helping a friend get past a breakup.

• 1:32:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:09Speaker 01

  And, uh, but you know, who wants to watch perfect people? These are people that have some good, some bad. And that's the journey of the story where you go through people and you get to learn from what they did right or what they did wrong. If you go back to like even the Bible or Greek mythology, some of these morality tales, it's like someone does this and here's the consequences of it. They're not all stories like everyone's doing everything right. Most of these human stories are someone made a decision based on ego or what was important in the moment and they paid.

• 1:32:40Theo Von?

  The price.

• 1:32:41Speaker 01

  Right. And those are important, those are important stories.

• 1:32:43Theo Von?

  Yeah. Well, there were, yeah, like moral tales, like Aesop's fables they had when I was a kid. Like they had different things like that. I wonder if they still have that stuff for kids because there was a lot of stuff that was like kinda common in culture. That was where you would learn things from. But yeah, if you watch Forrest Gump and you go out and break both your legs, so you can.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Try to run across the country.

• 1:33:00Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? And try to run. Then I guess you're like Forrest in some, I mean, I don't.

• 1:33:04Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:05Speaker 01

  But like, I, I, I never took that serious. It's like where the parents at?

• 1:33:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  You know, it's like same with albums. When we were kids, they started putting these warning labels on an album.

• 1:33:13Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, parental advisory, remember that?

• 1:33:15Speaker 01

  It was like Tipper O'Neill or something. They were putting like these.

• 1:33:18Theo Von?

  Said parental advisor is a black and white sticker.

• 1:33:20Speaker 01

  That would make us buy it.

• 1:33:21Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  It's like, let me hear that fucking un.

• 1:33:23Theo Von?

  Let me know shit, dude.

• 1:33:24Speaker 01

  Unfiltered, let me, right? Parental guidance. But like as kids, we weren't like, when I was listening to N W A, this wasn't like a fucking how to manual.

• 1:33:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  I was digging someone having a strong opinion.

• 1:33:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:38Speaker 01

  Unapologetic from their experience. I was like, fuck, I wanna, let me, let me fucking listen to that. That's fun. But we were never so fucking dumb.

• 1:33:45Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? That's part of the problem that they make it. And I was like, everyone's so fucking stupid that what if you see, you know, any, like any kind of movie or story that it's somehow encouraging kids to do it. It's like, shut the fuck up.

• 1:33:57Theo Von?

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:33:58Speaker 01

  I'm gonna listen to rock and roll and watch some people make some bad decisions and laugh. You know what I mean? Like, what did that become a thing where like, like if you do a set out, you're funny, I hear your shit.

• 1:34:08Theo Von?

  It was lawsuits. That's what did it probably. People sue for a thing probably. But yeah, if you got so attached to you, like, oh, I believe this now I'm gonna.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Like when you do your sets, I, and I enjoy them. Sometimes you're going further with a point of view to, to, to get a point across. You're not hoping you're reaching some fucking eight year old kid. To go follow, you know what I mean, you're like.

• 1:34:26Theo Von?

  Right. Yeah, that's all a bunch of shit.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  You're being entertaining and fun. And I think there's a place for that. I think if anything, that's what, that's what got in the way was that everyone started to put these things under a microscope like, I don't know, like when we were kids in school, i- i- i- if we go to the auditorium, and they would give us like a safety film on fucking bicycles, we'd just make fun of that shit all day long. I'm not telling kids to go out and, you know, uh, but everyone's got to assume whatever risk you want to take. Like everyone's different. You gotta, you gotta decide, are you gonna cross the highway? Because you want to get to that candy store and try to dodge the cars? No one should do that.

• 1:35:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Speaker 01

  But everyone, everyone, everyone ultimately is gonna make their choices.

• 1:35:06Theo Von?

  Yeah. And there'll be people that do and people that don't, you know?

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:35:09Theo Von?

  But yeah.

• 1:35:10Speaker 01

  But how do we?

• 1:35:11Theo Von?

  I saw a bike video and I was like, first of all, I'm never wearing a bike helmet because I understand it's safe. I know it is, but I don't want my children to see me in a bike helmet because

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  It's culture.

• 1:35:21Theo Von?

  My son and I would never be able to make eye contact the same way.

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  I mean, now all the kids have to. We didn't know what the fuck that was. And in a way, I think it kept us, in, in some ways, this is, but I felt like I was safer because I could try to jump that.

• 1:35:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  But there ain't no fucking way I'm gonna jump that.

• 1:35:36Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:37Speaker 01

  Do you know what I mean? Because the helmet.

• 1:35:38Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  Like, we knew, I may, I may get some fucking scabs and shit and hit my face if I put like, you know, a wooden board on two things. But I'm not doing five because I don't have a fucking helmet. You know what I mean? Like, it was self-regulatory. You got me all fucking Michelin Man and dressed up. I might try to go back like evil and try to jump the fucking Snake River, but I, I'm just saying, like, entertainment and stories, you know, I think, have fun with it and you should watch it. But, I mean, really? What, what percentage of the population thinks that it's a how-to book?

• 1:36:12Theo Von?

  Yeah, who's gonna like?

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  And by the way, do we cater everything to the fucking, excuse me, naive kid? Who's looking to jump on any story he sees? Like, that's the way to live his life?

• 1:36:24Theo Von?

  It's kind of what we do. That's kind of what we've done anyway.

• 1:36:26Speaker 01

  Right?

• 1:36:26Theo Von?

  And hopefully that's kind of correcting course.

• 1:36:28Speaker 01

  We can't watch Dirty Harry because you think you can just go fuck and shoot a criminal without talking to him? No, it's escape. You're like, yeah, that motherfucker. You know what I mean? Like, you like it as a story.

• 1:36:37Theo Von?

  Yeah. But that's what it was.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I think everyone kind of got that more. Like, I wasn't listening to

• 1:36:43Theo Von?

  No, but

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  rock, I wasn't listening to rock and hip-hop and shit.

• 1:36:47Theo Von?

  Right, but I think it was lawyers that did it. They're like, oh, this is, this is what happened.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Or the do-gooders. Maybe they meant well.

• 1:36:54Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  But don't you create a whole other series of problems because if you can't express those feelings through movies and songs, where do those feelings go?

• 1:37:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  Like if storytelling and stand-up or movies isn't the place to explore, it's podcasts. If we can't express ideas there or feelings, what do you do with those? They just, you can't have those feelings? It's crazy.

• 1:37:14Theo Von?

  Oh, I think one day a smile will be in a museum and you go to see it, you know? I really do.

• 1:37:20Speaker 01

  I don't think so. I think, I don't, I think, I don't think.

• 1:37:22Theo Von?

  I hope not too.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  You don't, ultimately, I know you don't believe that.

• 1:37:25Theo Von?

  I don't think I really, that's kind of a joke.

• 1:37:26Speaker 01

  You think there's a warning of it.

• 1:37:27Theo Von?

  Right. I think we're getting close to.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  We're gonna push against it.

• 1:37:29Theo Von?

  If you wanna see feelings, you have to go to a museum. Oh, this was happiness. Look, children.

• 1:37:34Speaker 01

  I think these kids sometimes, I think there's a place for, for, I think it's good. I'm not saying it's all.

• 1:37:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:39Speaker 01

  The pendulum always goes too far in one direction. I think it's good to have skills to talk about stuff. But it's always a little bit like this, like. If you have a breakup with a girl that's bad and we're friends. I'm gonna clear the decks, our other friends are gonna do it, and we wanna hear everything you gotta say about this breakup. And we're gonna give you our perspective and we're gonna really focus on it. And that may go on for a week. But after three weeks.

• 1:38:06Speaker 01

  You're not allowed to talk about it anymore. There's nothing else to say. We gotta drop it and move on. You gotta get in a new bad relationship. You know what I mean? Like, we can't keep talking about that.

• 1:38:14Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  And so I think what happens sometimes is we're indulging, talking and exploring it. There's a time to do it. You need to do it. But at some point, if you're always bringing up the stuff, you just kinda stay depressed.

• 1:38:27Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:28Speaker 01

  Like, there's a process to digesting it, and then there's a process of pushing it away and trying to get into something new. But if you're only focused on it, it just doesn't go away.

• 1:38:38Theo Von?

  Well, you're kinda getting addicted to self-pity too at that point in a way, you know?

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  Or you're just always living in that and it's gonna make you sad.

• 1:38:44Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah, and that's I think that's something that's kind of like been like kind of a society just a weird tour that we took in society of like, you know, that there's something always wrong with us, you know?

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  Well, who isn't there something wrong with?

• 1:38:56Theo Von?

  Hopefully, everybody is something wrong with.

• 1:38:57Speaker 01

  As you get older, you start to go, my God, everyone's a little nuts.

• 1:39:01Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:01Speaker 01

  Like, we're all holding it together, but if you see people by themselves, like, there's no one you would be like, that guy's like at home, living, you know what I mean? Like, everyone's got shit that's crazy.

• 1:39:10Theo Von?

  Oh, hopefully.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  Hopefully.

• 1:39:12Theo Von?

  Dude, the best thing is imagining that people are at home just fucking, you know, putting lipstick on.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  Urban La Cor.

• 1:39:18Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:18Speaker 01

  Urban La Cor, and hopefully some French magazine.

• 1:39:23Theo Von?

  Yeah, Club, El Club, I think it was called Le Club. Um, your movie comes out on Hulu, March 27th, and, um, and, oh, Jimmy Tatro's in it, his character is hilarious in it, yeah, he's a great guy.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  He's good, yeah, he's funny.

• 1:39:39Theo Von?

  He's a cool guy, and, um...

• 1:39:40Speaker 01

  Ace of Mars in there, all good in it.

• 1:39:42Theo Von?

  That's the little lady in it?

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:44Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, she's real foxy.

• 1:39:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:39:47Theo Von?

  And then the other guy?

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  James Marsden.

• 1:39:49Theo Von?

  That plays Mike.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  He was cool.

• 1:39:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  And he's a good actor, yeah.

• 1:39:51Theo Von?

  He's a good actor.

• 1:39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did a good job.

• 1:39:53Theo Von?

  A lot of good facial stuff, and like, a lot of like, yeah, he's like, good looking, but he also is entertaining. He reminds me of Rob Lowe a little bit.

• 1:40:00Speaker 01

  That's interesting, I could see that, yeah. Handsome guy, likable.

• 1:40:03Theo Von?

  Right, but also like, not just being, yeah.

• 1:40:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:06Theo Von?

  Not just being handsome.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:08Theo Von?

  Um, Vince Vaughn, thanks so much.

• 1:40:11Speaker 01

  Great to sit with you.

• 1:40:12Theo Von?

  Nope, yep, yeah. I'm excited for the Bears next season, man, we'll be cheering them.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Cool, is that your, is that kind of an adopted team?

• 1:40:19Theo Von?

  Yeah, I got you. Just because we grew up so much, I grew up there watching, like, you know, like, the only baseball teams that existed were like, uh...

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  Cubs and Braves.

• 1:40:26Theo Von?

  Cubs, Braves, Cardinals, though, like, collecting like, Ozzy Smith cards.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  Coleman.

• 1:40:32Theo Von?

  Yeah, oh, uh, Rod.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  Vince Coleman.

• 1:40:33Theo Von?

  Vince Coleman, Ozzy Smith, who else?

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  They were dominant, Cardinals were always dominant.

• 1:40:37Theo Von?

  You ever hung out with Mark Grace before?

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  I met him.

• 1:40:39Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's a great guy.

• 1:40:40Theo Von?

  He's the best, he has the best stories.

• 1:40:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was a hell of a player.

• 1:40:43Theo Von?

  Oh, he was so good, but those were the times, Andre Dawson, all those guys, Rick Sutcliffe, Greg Maddux, fucking just... That was like, there was like, only three or four teams that existed, it felt like, you know?

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, they were popular, they had personalities, but Cardinals have been good forever, they're always finding them, lately, not as much, but they've always been dominant. Cubs, as you know, was a long story, so it was a big deal when we finally won.

• 1:41:02Theo Von?

  Oh.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:03Theo Von?

  Yeah, when you thought of all the...

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Are you with the Titans at all?

• 1:41:05Theo Von?

  Um, I wish they would draft Diego Pavia for the same reason that we said, that he played at Vanderbilt, he crushed it there, I think...

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  How fun was that kid to watch?

• 1:41:14Theo Von?

  So much.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  Dude, I love that dude's spirit. I loved watching that boy play. A kid from my high school played, played wide receiver for him.

• 1:41:21Theo Von?

  Oh, really?

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, younger than me because he's playing now, obviously.

• 1:41:24Theo Von?

  What's his name?

• 1:41:25Speaker 01

  It's not like some 50 year old had some eligibility on his fucking ears.

• 1:41:28Theo Von?

  Well, they'd probably give him another-

• 1:41:29Speaker 01

  Hoskins, his last name was Hoskins.

• 1:41:31Theo Von?

  Oh, Richie Hoskins?

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  I knew his sister real well.

• 1:41:32Theo Von?

  Bro, Richie's a dog, bro.

• 1:41:34Speaker 01

  He was good, right?

• 1:41:35Theo Von?

  Dude, he caught a couple, he caught some passes that only he could catch, bro.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, there he is.

• 1:41:39Theo Von?

  Yeah, they were dogs, dude.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  I knew his, I knew his, his aunt would have been my grade and was a nice gal. But he played for him. So I watched, I, you know, I got, my high school puts out a lot of really good athletes, people that still to this day, Lake Forest High School, Public High School in Illinois, and a lot of, a lot of people do well. But this was, this was an exciting year for Vandy and that quarterback.

• 1:42:00Theo Von?

  Diego Pavia, yeah.

• 1:42:01Speaker 01

  Bro, he was like this.

• 1:42:03Theo Von?

  I'm gonna go to his-

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  He was like, oh, he's like that. Come and get it. Yeah, he was super fun to watch.

• 1:42:07Theo Von?

  And they come out-

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  He's going pro now. Is he done?

• 1:42:09Theo Von?

  Yep, he's training right now down in Tampa.

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Where'd he transfer from?

• 1:42:12Theo Von?

  Um, he transferred from, um, uh, New Mexico State and then before that, New Mexico School of Mines. I think he could have gotten one more year, actually, but-

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  He's gonna strike while the iron's hot, I can't blame him.

• 1:42:25Theo Von?

  He's already in. Yeah, he's already going in.

• 1:42:27Speaker 01

  He's not tall.

• 1:42:28Theo Von?

  Well, that's the thing. They came out and said that and was like, so you're telling me he did this great at not even the same height as some of these other guys?

• 1:42:34Speaker 01

  It's true. Sometimes that, sometimes that motivates you to get better at it. Well, Brady was that in a way, right? He didn't hit the prototype.

• 1:42:40Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  And made him work harder.

• 1:42:42Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:42Speaker 01

  I mean, being tall wasn't his thing, but they also made it like, but he obviously, sometimes the thing that they label you as a disadvantage makes you stronger because you have to work harder.

• 1:42:51Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:52Speaker 01

  But that dude's a winner, bro.

• 1:42:53Theo Von?

  He doesn't, that's the thing. Who do you want to bet? You want to bet on somebody that wins ev- every time they said you can't?

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  At an academic school in the SCC at Vanderbilt.

• 1:43:02Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  I mean, you're playing big time football every week. When's the last time Vanderbilt was in that position?

• 1:43:07Theo Von?

  Never.

• 1:43:08Speaker 01

  And so the fact that this kid was a part of that with a lot of other great players.

• 1:43:11Theo Von?

  So many great guys.

• 1:43:12Speaker 01

  And did that well. That's that intangible quality that has to mean something.

• 1:43:16Theo Von?

  And that's the shit-

• 1:43:17Speaker 01

  That's the shit's getting lost in this evaluation.

• 1:43:19Theo Von?

  Yes, always in everything. It's like-

• 1:43:22Speaker 01

  It's so stupid.

• 1:43:22Theo Von?

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  There's a place for it.

• 1:43:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  But not, not the whole thing.

• 1:43:25Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:27Theo Von?

  But anyway, I'm glad we all got that out of our systems.

• 1:43:30Speaker 01

  Me too.

• 1:43:30Theo Von?

  Um, dude, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate you too, Vince. Thanks so much, man. And, uh, we'll check it out. Um, everybody, it's on Hulu, March 27th.

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