#647 - Dr. Peter McCullough

Dr. Peter McCullough is a physician-scientist, cardiologist and best-selling author known for his research on the effects of Covid-19 vaccines. Dr. McCullough joins Theo to share his views on side effects of Covid-19 vaccines, how the medical research community can discourage alternative treatments, and his thoughts on how big pharma got so big in the first place. Dr. Peter McCullough: https://www.instagram.com/petermcculloughmd/ ------------------------------------------------- Tour Dates! https://theovon.com/tour New Merch: https://www.theovonstore.com ------------------------------------------------- Sponsored By: Celsius: Go to the Celsius Amazon store to check out all of their flavors. #CELSIUSBrandPartner #CELSIUSLiveFit https://amzn.to/3HbAtPJ Better Help: This episode is sponsored by BetterHelp. Go to http://betterhelp.com/theo for 10% off your first month. Jolie: Head to http://jolieskinco.com/theo/ and start the year with better water. Shopify: Go to http://shopify.com/theo to get started with Shopify. Valor Recovery: To learn more about Valor Recovery please visit them at https://valorrecoverycoaching.com/ or email them at [email protected] ------------------------------------------------- Music: “Shine” by Bishop Gunn Bishop Gunn - Shine ------------------------------------------------ Submit your funny videos, TikToks, questions and topics you'd like to hear on the podcast to: [email protected] Hit the Hotline: 985-664-9503 Video Hotline for Theo Upload here: https://www.theovon.com/fan-upload ------------------------------------------------ Find Theo: Website: https://theovon.com Instagram: https://instagram.com/theovon Facebook: https://facebook.com/theovon Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thispastweekend Twitter: https://twitter.com/theovon YouTube: https://youtube.com/theovon Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheoVonClips Shorts Channel: https://bit.ly/3ClUj8z ------------------------------------------------ Producer: Zach https://www.instagram.com/zachdpowers Producer: Trevyn https://www.instagram.com/trevyn.s/ Producer: Nick https://www.instagram.com/realnickdavis/ Producer: Andrew https://www.instagram.com/bleachmediaofficial/ Producer: Halston https://www.instagram.com/halstonrays/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Theo Von?

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• 1:24Theo Von?

  Um, it's in theaters April 17th, but if you get tickets now, it'll show the movie theaters that we're gonna sell them, uh, or that they are selling, and then we can expand to more theaters. So if you know when you're gonna go and, um, and you can support, that would be great. And no pressure if you can't. Uh, again, the pre-sale tickets are available, uh, busboysmovie.com. Um, I'm excited, thank you. Today's guest is a physician. He's a cardiologist, he's an author, he's a professor. He was the Vice Chief of Internal Medicine at Baylor University Medical Center. He later became known for his investigations into the COVID-19 response here in America.

• 2:08Theo Von?

  Uh, we're looking forward to spending time with today's guest, Dr. Peter McCullough.

• 2:30Theo Von?

  And you can move this any way you want. If you decide you're end up moving over here, you can just move the mic over there.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Well, I don't have the type of voice you have. Get the D voice.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  We'll make sure, we'll let you know if it's all.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:40Theo Von?

  Yeah, you're kind of that whisperer, huh?

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Man, well.

• 2:43Theo Von?

  You like to whisper?

• 2:44Speaker 01

  I was recently in the UK and this woman who's an actress and got up and everyone was shouting at the microphone, making their things, myself included. She got up and she started whispering and everyone paid attention.

• 2:59Theo Von?

  Yeah, that's a whisper and that's what I was, it's a lost art.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:02Theo Von?

  But really the value, when everything is so high, you have to think that if you come in at another intonation, if you come in at another level, you have to find an alternate route into people's brains and hearts and stuff. And yeah, whispering, gosh. If we had just like Whisper Tuesdays where everybody just whispered?

• 3:19Speaker 01

  There was a doctor at Stanford back when I was, you know, accepted in academia. His name was Glenn Shertow. And when he spoke, it was so careful and he talked like this. And I remember the sponsors of a big meeting. I was at the National Institutes of Health. I said, what is it about Glenn Shertow? He seems to be getting all the attention. They said, he appears wise. He has the appearance of wisdom, the way he speaks. He may not be wise.

• 3:52Theo Von?

  Right.

• 3:52Speaker 01

  But he appears wise. The other thing that helps you that you and I don't have. Oh, he brought him up. There's Glenn right there.

• 3:59Theo Von?

  There he is, beautiful guy.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Good, good, good. Are we gonna bring people thinking up on the screen?

• 4:03Theo Von?

  We can.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  Oh, it's gonna be so much fun.

• 4:05Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:05Speaker 01

  But anyhow, the one thing that my uncle Ivan taught me is that you can double your perceived intelligence with a British accent.

• 4:18Theo Von?

  Really?

• 4:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. You get a British accent, they think you're twice as smart as you used to be.

• 4:23Theo Von?

  Oh, that's so true.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  Twice as smart.

• 4:24Theo Von?

  I feel like, oh, if I meet a British girl, I'm like, oh, tell me everything. I feel like they just know everything.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yes, and.

• 4:30Theo Von?

  Read me a book, mom.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Have you ever read that book, Culture Code?

• 4:34Theo Von?

  Uh, Culture Code, no.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  It's about what's your first impression. And he did focus groups, it's very scientifically very solid. He said, when you meet a British person, what's the first word that comes into your mind?

• 4:46Theo Von?

  G'day. Oh, that's Australian. Oh, um.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  You, you, you almost got it with that girl. Classy.

• 4:53Theo Von?

  Classy.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  So if you're going to advertise something to the, if you're going to advertise with British, you have to show somebody playing polo and it has to be classy.

• 5:02Theo Von?

  Yes, just finishing a biscuit, you know?

• 5:04Speaker 01

  So how about, how about Italian? What's the first thing you think about when you say?

• 5:08Theo Von?

  Hey, you know?

• 5:10Speaker 01

  The Italian first thing? The culture code says, uh, artiste. So you have to Michelangelo, you have to portray things artistic, what have you. Um, how about American? Now, if you just do, do this globally, when you, uh,

• 5:24Theo Von?

  Like a belch, kind of?

• 5:25Speaker 01

  Oh, close. Uh, America, they, uh, the conclusion is out of this world. So you want to advertise an American, like, you know, landing on the moon or just doing something completely, you know, Elon Musk, you know, just jetting somewhere, you know?

• 5:42Theo Von?

  Yeah, just knocking up people and just blasting rockets into people and into space.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  So culture code is a code of advertising. And what he said is if you break the code, if you try to advertise something that goes against what people are thinking, your product is going to bomb out. So, uh, what's the, uh, what's the culture code word for nurse?

• 6:07Speaker 01

  Nurse, what's the first thing comes to your mind?

• 6:08Theo Von?

  Helpful.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Close. Mother. So you always want to show a nurse holding a baby.

• 6:14Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  What, what, what's the culture code for doctor?

• 6:20Theo Von?

  Information.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Hero.

• 6:22Theo Von?

  Hero.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  Hero, you know, hero, going to save your life. This is, culture code was written, I think in the eighties or nineties.

• 6:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  It's probably changed. Well, here's another one. It fits for COVID. What, what's the first thing that comes to your mind and you think of? Hospital.

• 6:38Theo Von?

  Safety.

• 6:40Speaker 01

  Death trap. Death trap. And he interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people, did these focus groups.

• 6:47Theo Von?

  Culture Code.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  Culture Code. It's a great book. It's a quick read and in your business, you'd want to, you'd want to, I guess, kind of be in tune with the code.

• 7:02Theo Von?

  Yeah, I think there's some codes that you pick up on people that you don't realize, you know? But yeah, no, I think it's interesting. Just people that are able to examine that, like how people operate and how we perceive certain things. And you're a guy that's kind of like, I guess, the way you've operated has kind of changed over the past few years. Maybe I know it's certainly like grown in perception, like your ability to reach people has grown.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:26Theo Von?

  You are a physician scientist, is that correct?

• 7:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:30Theo Von?

  Okay, and what exactly does that term mean?

• 7:32Speaker 01

  That means I practice medicine. And, you know, I see and examine patients every day, board certified in internal medicine and cardiology by the National Board of Physicians and Surgeons.

• 7:44Theo Von?

  So also a cardiologist?

• 7:45Speaker 01

  And a cardiologist. But I'm also a scientist, meaning I evaluate new concepts, I develop hypotheses, I use the scientific method, and I, you know, conduct studies, case reviews, literature reviews, analyze data, formulate an analysis, and then come up with opinions. And through that method, I'm one of the most published doctors in the world. And certainly the most published in my field previously, which was heart and kidney disease.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  So, you know, I came into the pandemic locked and loaded in 2007. I had testified before the Congressional Oversight Panel for the FDA. I had lectured at the European Medicine Association, New York Academy of Sciences, lectured widely at virtually every major medical school in the United States, published seminal papers. But when the pandemic hit, what I saw within the first few months is no one was going to the problem.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  No one was, you know, when there's a fire or a catastrophe and let's say nine 11 and the building is burning, most people ran this way. But some of these first responders, they ran right into it. I found myself in the same mode. The first few weeks, I said, well, surely Harvard will tell us what to do, or the Mayo Clinic, or maybe the US government. Usually the government on medical things is a laggard. They're not a leader. So if we had a new cancer problem, we wouldn't say, well, what does the government say? The government

• 9:49Speaker 01

  is, is behind academia. Got it. Within a few months of being into the pandemic, I said, listen, you know, I need to do my part. I know other doctors in the hospital doing their part. And I devised the first treatment protocol of how to treat high-risk patients. We're talking elderly patients, patients with a heart disease, lung disease, kidney disease, at home with very intensive therapies and oxygen at home to avoid too bad outcomes, hospitalization and death. And that became copyrighted as the McCullough Protocol. It was published in the American Journal of Medicine in 2020. Immediately, I was called before the US Senate.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  I appeared November 19, 2020. And so the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, a leading doctors group, did pick up the McCullough Protocol. It became standard of care. And the principles were used- It became standard of care when? Because it was- It became early standard of care in 2020 for high-risk patients. We immediately organized telemedicine units and, and you know, it was the McCullough Protocol that kept the hospitalizations Remember, there were projections that we were going to overrun our hospitals.

• 11:04Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, there were like emailing people like, do you have a place we can put bodies at your house?

• 11:08Speaker 01

  I had patients in their 90s with pacemakers and heart failure. And we got going early with the McCullough protocol. We start with getting fresh air, nasal sprays and gargles, nutraceuticals. They all played small roles. Initially, the first year, we used hydroxychloroquine as our antiviral and antibiotics and other drugs. Second year, ivermectin. And then third year, we actually used Pexlovid, came in the third year, molnupiravir. We used those drugs. But I have to tell you, the winner was ivermectin, for sure, for sure. But, but I think corticosteroids, prednisone played a huge role. Anti-inflammatory drug called colchicine, we use widely today.

• 11:48Speaker 01

  And, and then anti thrombotics.

• 11:50Theo Von?

  What was the McCullough protocol? Like, what, what went into it? Like, what were you basically advocating for people?

• 11:56Speaker 01

  I was saying that if we got behind on this illness, it was becoming clear, we can't start treating when people are sick enough to go in the hospital. There were, virtually every death occurred in the hospital. So McCullough protocol said, there's two bad outcomes, hospitalization and death. And if we can treat upfront and never go in the hospital, we'll get through the illness. Now, I did an artificial intelligence search recently, which is a great use of AI. And I asked AI, tell me what percent of the world's population contracted COVID?

• 12:33Speaker 01

  And it searched every single database and what have you. And, you know, the, the number it came up with was 90%.

• 12:40Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Now, the pre-programmed bias that's still left in AI is promotional of pandemic fear, where you're still at risk, promoting vaccines.

• 12:56Speaker 01

  Doing everything it can to tell people they have no other options. It's pre-programmed. So if you go to Grok.

• 13:03Theo Von?

  Is that true?

• 13:03Speaker 01

  It's true. Let me give you an example.

• 13:05Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  If you go to Grok and you say, who's Dr. Peter McCullough? It'll say, well, Dr. McCullough is a cardiologist and it'll go on and on. It'll say, but he's a conspiracy theorist and he was, lost his board certifications. It'll start saying all these things. I said, listen, just say who it is. Don't put in any defamatory comments. Just give the straight facts. Then it'll actually give a straight answer. So Grok will tell you, I'm the most published person on the pandemic, period, in the world.

• 13:35Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  And, you know, and so if you actually tell Grok, stop all the BS, it'll do it. With Alter AI, you don't have to do that. So at McCullough Foundation, I started the foundation. We formed a relationship with Alter AI and we pay for it and, and we get a, we get a clean feed. But I think even Copilot will come up with. Yeah, formerly practicing. No, I'm in practice. I just saw patients yesterday. I mean, look, it's just, it just goes on and on.

• 14:03Theo Von?

  Dr. Peter McCullough, uh, yeah, formerly practicing as a cardiologist and internist.

• 14:08Speaker 01

  Wrong, because I'm practicing today.

• 14:11Theo Von?

  He has highly published in medical literature, over a thousand publications, cited tens of thousands of times. Became wildly known during the COVID-19 pandemic for his early advocacy of outpatient treatment protocols, including controversial early use approaches and for his strong public criticisms of COVID-19 vaccines.

• 14:29Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Okay, well.

• 14:31Theo Von?

  This seems.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  It's getting there. You know, the thing about artificial intelligence, which I think is a huge advance. By the way, I'm using it in my practice every day now. Huge advance.

• 14:40Theo Von?

  One more thing here. His views on COVID-19 vaccines and related topics have been heavily criticized by mainstream medical organizations, fact checkers and sources like factcheck.org, which describe many of his claims as misinformation or unsupported.

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Do you know not a single medical organization has reached out to me even for a discussion? And, you know, factcheck.org, that's not a medical organization.

• 15:04Theo Von?

  No idea what that is.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  So, the idea is, uh, let's say a medical organization said, well, let's have a discussion about, uh, COVID vaccine complications. Not a single one. There hasn't been a single medical school in the United States that's even had a grand rounds on this, let alone invite me to present grand rounds.

• 15:23Theo Von?

  Why do you think that is? That they haven't, uh, reached out to you to have a conversation?

• 15:28Speaker 01

  They haven't reached out to anybody.

• 15:30Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  There is a tremendous willful blindness to what's gone on through the pandemic. There has been no review of lessons learned. What did we learn from the pandemic?

• 15:46Theo Von?

  I agree. It's so wild how so much information was every day it was this, this, go here, get a booster. If you can't like get a vaccine, like hang your family member out of a window, we'll have an archer come by with a vaccine like from Pfizer. Yeah, we can, you know, we'll vaccine them from the road or whatever. It's like, it was getting crazy. But yeah, it's kind of wild how afterwards there hasn't been as much like, hey, these are the things we learned. This is like what we've learned as a society.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Well, we're told over and over again, there's going to be another one. It's called disease X. It's gonna come out of another bio lab.

• 16:19Theo Von?

  Shit, it's gonna come out of Miami, I'll tell you that.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Or Galveston, Texas, they got a BSL4 lab there.

• 16:26Theo Von?

  Do they? I don't know. They got some BBLs over in Miami, though I know that.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's, it's.

• 16:31Theo Von?

  Is it really?

• 16:32Speaker 01

  They're dealing with some bad stuff down there.

• 16:33Theo Von?

  Okay, Mark that, I want to go back and talk about that in a second. Wait, so this is it right here, defining disease X.

• 16:38Speaker 01

  Well, look at Bloomberg School of Public Health. Who's the major funder of Bloomberg School of Public Health? Bill Gates.

• 16:44Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  This is a dream. This is a dream of those who want to vaccinate the world is they want another disease X.

• 16:53Theo Von?

  Of course, it's another industrial war complex. That's what this is.

• 16:56Speaker 01

  Well, you got it.

• 16:57Theo Von?

  But it's on your bodies. I do want to say this, and Bill might just be trying to solve whatever he was potentially giving his wife. I don't know. That's allegedly. But I will say this, I want to read this right here, because you mentioned it, disease X, I haven't heard about it. Since 20- 2018, the mysterious and often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts. Just that sentence alone, when you look at that sentence, look how bullshit, look how front loaded and vague it is. Since 2018, this mysterious, often misrepresented hypothetical pathogen has been at the heart of international pandemic preparedness efforts. Like, we're so prepared for we don't even, for something that's super vague. It's just like, you can feel it's setting you up for something.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  Well, let's go to SEPI, the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness and Innovation. It's founded in 2017 by the World Economic Forum and Bill Gates. And SEPI, in its business plan in 2017, says, "There's gonna be a series of these pandemics, one after another, coming in like hurricanes. And for each one, there'll be only one solution: mass vaccination. And SEPI is a vaccine incubator. They're gonna be ready." Let me tell you, vaccines in pandemics is big business. Way more than pro sports, way more than anything else you can think of. It's huge business.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  And in this world of, we don't hear about other forms in this industrial complex now, other things now, outside of biological threats, and then countermeasures, which is a military term, which are vaccines, therapeutics, and protective equipment. But the idea is, these are so richly funded, they're so richly funded, that the entity that holds the threat and holds the antidote, they hold power. Can you imagine the negotiating power you would have? If you said, "Hey, listen, I got COVID-20 locked and loaded right now in an undisclosed location, can get the whole country sick. We want a little better tariff situation."

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Can you imagine the negotiating power? And Peter Daszak, who's part of this whole conspiracy to create SARS-CoV-2, when he testified in the House of Representatives, he said, "I left a whole bunch of samples back in Wuhan."

• 19:24Theo Von?

  So wait, I'm confused. What was he doing there?

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Peter Daszak was the go-between, between Dr. Ralph Barrett at University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, who devised the virus and was publishing on it. And the federal government, DASEC was at the Eco Health Alliance. It's a go-between organization that was shuttling money for Barrick's projects over to Wuhan. DASEC had been to Wuhan many, many times. He knew that lab well.

• 19:50Theo Von?

  To create the virus, you mean?

• 19:51Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 19:52Theo Von?

  Understood. Okay, let's back up one second. I just want to look at SEPI. Who created SEPI? Bring that back up.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  SEPI was a world economic forum in the Gates Foundation. You'll find, I think, the government of Germany and India, I believe, was involved as well. But this is a richly funded, multi-billion dollar organization. You just can't imagine how big these.

• 20:12Theo Von?

  Oh, I can totally. You know, you look at the industrial war complex.

• 20:15Speaker 01

  There we go.

• 20:15Theo Von?

  Now you start to see it's the industrial medical complex, right? That's the new one that really seems like it's sprouted over the past 20 years.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 20:23Theo Von?

  Right here. SEPI is the Coalition for Epidemic Preparedness Innovations, a global organization focused on accelerating vaccine.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  Vaccine development.

• 20:30Theo Von?

  Okay, sorry. It was created in 2017 through a partnership between the governments of Norway and India, the Wellcome Trust and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 20:42Theo Von?

  And go back to Disease X. I want to just read what it was really quick.

• 20:48Speaker 01

  By the way, SEPI has got a big Disease X section. They have a whole white paper on it.

• 20:52Theo Von?

  Wow. Disease X is a placeholder concept that refers to a pandemic pathogen that has not yet been characterized. How vague is that? Like, hey, it's, it exists, but we don't know what it is exactly yet.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  But we have a vaccine for it.

• 21:07Theo Von?

  Its purpose is to encourage proactive thinking about pathogens that could cause a pandemic. Oh, so Disease X isn't an actual disease? It's a plan?

• 21:16Speaker 01

  It's a plan for a disease. So Disease X was SARS-CoV-2. It was a planned disease.

• 21:26Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  And here we are. It was a plan. And, you know, my first book, Courage to Face COVID-19, we expose SEPI and what we call a biopharmaceutical complex. You called it a bio-industrial complex, same thing. But there has been a.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  A cartel that's formed is very powerful. And it's probably back 2004 is probably when it started with the Bioshield Act. But it includes the World Health Organization, the World Economic Forum, Gates Foundation, Wellcome Trust, the Rockefeller Foundation, SEPI, GAVI, UNITA, all these organizations, all organized to essentially plan for, create pandemics and then respond to them. And that's how COVID-19 ultimately, it's essentially known now. This was not a spontaneous thing from nature. This was planned.

• 22:29Theo Von?

  What's the number one piece of evidence that makes you feel like it's known that it was planned?

• 22:33Speaker 01

  Well, I think the best source of all of the evidence is Peter Breggin's book, COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey. I wrote the introduction for it. But he goes back again to about 2004, the Bioshield Act, where he outlines 36 pandemic preparedness planning events, 36 historically. He's got a wonderful timeline. And of those, two dozen provide written documents. You can just read them, including one of them's the Prep Act in 2005, which says, "There will be a pandemic and we will have one." 2005, that was the Bush administration, HHS, said, "Listen, we're going to have one.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  And when we do, we're going to have countermeasures. And when we roll out these countermeasures, you better take one." And there is a complete freedom of liability. But 24 of them provide written evidence and then six of them are filmed. You could just go watch them.

• 23:33Theo Von?

  So was he kind of a whistleblower, do you feel like?

• 23:35Speaker 01

  He was a whistleblower back in the days where, where essentially Prozac wiped out, you know, consultative counseling psychiatry. Overnight, he wrote the book, Talking Back to Prozac.

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• 26:20Speaker 01

  But COVID-19, the global pressures, it has the best timeline. Now, Robert F. Kennedy wrote a book about the real Anthony Fauci. He's got a timeline into our book Courage to Face COVID-19. I think outlines what, who this complex is and what they're, what they're doing.

• 26:37Theo Von?

  This medical industrial complex.

• 26:39Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 26:39Theo Von?

  Yeah. Who is it exactly?

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, but hang on, people have said, well, wait a minute, it's big pharma. I disagree. I think the pharmaceutical companies and the in vitro diagnostic companies and the gown and mask companies, they're suppliers to the, to the, the complex. The complex is this organized group that in, in many ways, they have

• 27:05Speaker 01

  bad intentions. And look at the last World Economic Forum meeting. They play a big role in this. And it was one of those speeches where they said, you know, COVID-19 pandemic was a test of human compliance. They just come out and say that.

• 27:22Theo Von?

  Was it just written or did someone speak?

• 27:24Speaker 01

  Someone say it. Yeah, let's pull it up. World Economic Forum, the pandemic was a test of human compliance. But the point I'm making is that

• 27:37Speaker 01

  there's a lot of interest in this whole field. We have divisions. Here we go. Who said that?

• 27:47Theo Von?

  No, the World Economic Forum did not describe the pandemic as a test of human compliance. Test of social.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Social responsibility.

• 27:54Theo Von?

  Key details from that and related WF publications include test of social responsibility. Article explicitly stated that COVID-19 was the test of social responsibility.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Citing the fact that people worldwide complied with the unimaginable restrictions. Well.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Pretty close.

• 28:09Theo Von?

  Oh, I don't doubt that it felt certainly like a psychological experiment. I mean, one of the things I was gonna ask you is what do you feel like they learned from this? Like what valuable information was taken away? Like whoever these powers are that be, you know?

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Well, I, I hope that they learned that when they have a vaccine, that's an epic failure. That that's permanently gonna set back aspirations for future worldwide vaccination. Now, if this vaccine would have worked and everyone took it and COVID magically went away and just everything cleared up in a month or two and there was nobody was sick anymore and there was no side effects, these guys would have been heroes, right? Remember Bill Gates comes out in April of 2020 and says, "This pandemic doesn't end until virtually every person in the world takes a vaccine."

• 29:07Speaker 01

  How does he know it's April of 2020? Vaccines.

• 29:11Theo Von?

  Right. Who knows what's gonna happen?

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:13Theo Von?

  Yeah, if you have a strategy, then of course that's what you're gonna say.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Well, Gates Foundation and the Bloomberg School of Public Health in 2017 hold a planning seminar. It's called the SPARS pandemic, S.P.A.R.S. pandemic. It's at Johns Hopkins and it says, "There's gonna be a coronavirus pandemic."

• 29:34Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 29:35Speaker 01

  In 2017.

• 29:36Theo Von?

  I remember reading that.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Now, they held it in 2017. They thought it was gonna hit in 2025. Okay, it hits in late 2019. Then, and this is one of the ones that, you know, is well documented as a planning event, and then Event 201. Come on, that's November of 2019.

• 29:55Theo Von?

  What is Event 201?

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Event 201 was again Johns Hopkins, Bloomberg School of Public Health, Gates Foundation. They have a meeting. They said, "We are really gonna have a coronavirus pandemic." They bring over George Gao, who's the Chinese CDC Director.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  And he's paired up with others there. Avril Haines is there. Who's Avril Haines? She's a former World Economic Forum Associate, becomes our Director of National Intelligence under Biden. Really? And she's with George Gao? And they're saying, oh, we're gonna, gonna have a COVID pandemic? And this is how it's essentially, it's going to be used to railroad mass vaccination on the world.

• 30:33Theo Von?

  But do you believe that everybody knew that? Or do you believe that a select group knew it? And then they just, because say if I, say if I have a devious plan, right? I could still go to someone and say, hey, this is what's happening. I don't have to say I'm the one who's causing what's happening, right? So were there, because it, the tough part is when you start to think of like, that everybody was complicit, like, you know what I'm saying? That's the part that starts to feel very impossible to a lot of people.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  I don't think that's the case. I gotta tell you, I was in practice then. I had no idea this was going on. Everybody I talked to in my institutions, all over the whole country, all over Europe, no one knew this was happening.

• 31:09Theo Von?

  What that, that.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  The point is, this was going on. This was in the open.

• 31:13Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  No one was paying attention. I, I bet, I bet no one briefed Trump that in 2017, that they're gonna, you know, they were planning for a coronavirus pandemic? I bet there wasn't any briefing.

• 31:30Theo Von?

  But does it also make sense that as our world evolves and as like biohacking and like research and everything becomes so much more intense? And like medicine is evolving all the time and science is evolving constantly? That's just what it does. That there would be, it would make some sense to strategize that something like this could happen? Like that maybe we've moved on from like actual like, like huge wars on land? And then it's gonna become more like, yeah, I remember years ago, you would hear like, oh, the next war is gonna be in the water or it's gonna be in the air, right? It's gonna be a virus. You would hear stuff like that a lot, like just kind of randomly.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Oh, there's movies, right? There's movie Contagion and all these other movies. What, what experts will say in infectious disease and vaccinology? They said, the reason why we have to have biolabs is we have to get ahead of. Nature. Right. So, nature sooner or later is gonna throw us a really bad bug. And we're susceptible to these. And the case example they use is Spanish flu. In my book on vaccines, we spend a lot of time on the Spanish flu. Which was very unique. Yeah, post-World War I, we have, um, you know, young men in army barracks. And remember influenza doesn't directly kill people. What kills them is a secondary staphylococcal pneumonia.

• 32:50Speaker 01

  And that's what they die of. The, the point that was made, though, is that, listen, we could have another Spanish flu. And when, when COVID-19 pandemic broke, don't forget. The storyline we were told is, oh, here we go again. It's another Spanish flu. Now, remember, Anthony Fauci knows it came out of the lab. But they collaborate together to say, you know what? It came out of a, a fish market. In fact, the WHO, when it was asked to investigate early in 2020. Where did this virus come from?

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Rear Admiral Brett Gharar, someone who went to my medical school in Dallas, at Southwestern. He, he was on President Trump's first task force. Brett Gharar nominates three US scientists to go to Wuhan. The WHO says, no, no, we, we don't want them. We want Peter Daszak. Isn't that interesting? Daszak, who knew? In fact, he was shuttling the plans over there. So Daszak goes over to Wuhan and he looks around. He goes, I, I don't know where this virus came from. But it definitely didn't come out of the lab.

• 34:04Speaker 01

  He had been to the lab dozens of times. He shuttled the plans over. Anthony Fauci was well aware of this. They started covering up their emails. Rand Paul's got a great book called Deception. He has every single one of these events in it. But the point I'm making is Those in this field keep saying, listen, there could be another Spanish flu. We must get ahead of this. However, with the 2004 Bioshield Act and the 2005 PREP Act, the governments got in the game of bioterrorism.

• 34:39Theo Von?

  How did those acts allow them to do that?

• 34:41Speaker 01

  Well, what happened was, we had the anthrax scare, which largely looks like it was a deranged government worker at Fort Dietrich, who was working on the anthrax vaccine for the military. And there's been lost enthusiasm for this vaccine, based on safety. And so he actually sent some letters to Leahy and other people in Congress. Some people got sick. To this day, not a single soldier has died of anthrax because an enemy shot an anthrax capsule the other way. It's all been, you know, this event.

• 35:22Theo Von?

  Like these social events?

• 35:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, social events.

• 35:24Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 01

  So.

• 35:25Theo Von?

  Yeah, what happened with anthrax?

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Well, there's another great book with, there you go.

• 35:33Theo Von?

  Letters containing anthrax spores were mailed to several news media offices and the Senator's Tom Daschle.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Daschle, Patrick Leahy.

• 35:38Theo Von?

  Patrick Leahy, killing five people in 1870.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  But what I'm saying is, the anthrax scare and SARS-1, the SARS-1 outbreak led to this idea that, wait a minute.

• 35:50Theo Von?

  There's money here.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  Well, first off, this could really happen. So we should be prepared. That's the reason why it's called the PREP Act. We should be prepared and our governments should get in this game. So the military got in the game with a unit called DARPA, D-A-R-P-A. And the National Institutes of Health got in this game with a unit called BARDA, B-A-R-D-A. And these are pandemic preparedness units. Well, as they churned over time, there's funding of bio labs. And let's see how we can make this organism more contagious. And would this work? And let's test it here. And it got to Barrick. Barrick got to the point of, well, let's take a human coronavirus, of which there's four that we can get as a common cold,

• 36:36Speaker 01

  and let's take the spike protein, the surface of it, from a bat.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  And then start to play with this until it can lock in with a human receptor called the ACE2 receptor and invade humanized epithelial cells in animals. And when they did that in Wuhan, it basically killed the animals. They said, ooh, now we've got a real, we've got, we took something benign, which is a coronavirus, and we've made it potentially lethal. Now, in those papers, 2015- In what papers? In peer-reviewed papers, 2015, Nature Communications. In 2016, in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science, the first author is Menachery, M E N A C H E R Y.

• 37:26Speaker 01

  Those two papers describe primordial SARS-CoV-2 in 2015, 2016. This is published, these are high-level, peer-reviewed journals. And the title of the paper is "A SARS-Like COVID Coronavirus: WIV-1 Wuhan Institute of Virology I Virus Poised for Human Emergence." So here they are in these papers, and you can pull them up, poised for human emergence. So they were announcing to the world, this isn't my field, I wasn't reading this. But was this a good guy saying this, or was this a bad guy saying this? These are the guys who are working, this paper was done, the work was done in the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Okay.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  They say, they say it's gain-of-function research, but it was grandfathered in because it was started before the Obama ban on this. And we took it over to Wuhan. They thanked the Chinese for their collaboration. Now, the second paper that came out a month later in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, they actually put the Chinese authors on. So this was, in many ways, in the infectious disease community in the open. Now, this paper, by the way, when the US government funds work like this, they must put the genetic code of the new virus they created in a central databank. Did they do that? No.

• 38:50Speaker 01

  And when Ralph Baric was interviewed on this in 2021, they said, wait a minute, did you submit your genetic code? Does the virus, does it match your code from here? He says, well, I've had a discussion with the National Institutes of Health and we believe it's a national security issue and we are not going to release it. Now, his virus didn't have in it a key part in the spike protein called the furin cleavage joint. And it looks like that was the final thing that was added later.

• 39:18Theo Von?

  Understood. We hear about spike proteins a lot. What is that?

• 39:22Speaker 01

  The spike protein is a spike or this projection on the surface of the virus. The ball of the virus is called the nucleocapsid. The red part shown there is the spike protein.

• 39:32Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  The ball itself is benign. That's not going to kill you. But all the lethality in SARS-CoV-2, what killed people, and some people truly did die of this, was the spike protein. The spike protein allows the virus to inject itself in the body. We sacrifice the part of the spike protein near the ball, the S2 is sacrificed, and S1 goes into the body. Now, that's with the infection. The vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, are the genetic code for the full spike protein. So you take one of those vaccines, now the genetic code is producing the full-length spike protein

• 40:11Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  in the human body.

• 40:12Theo Von?

  Was there a moment, do you think, when they planned to unleash the virus? Or did it just naturally sort of enter society? Sort of, like, that's where I'm a little bit confused. Was there like a day, like a D-Day of sorts where it's like, okay, this is when we're going to just unleash this virus into the world? Or do you think it was unleashed on accident? Like, what is your thoughts on that?

• 40:32Speaker 01

  You know, I don't exactly know, but I have listened to many opinions. And one opinion, who I think is on target, is former CDC Director Robert Redfield. He believes it leaked out by accident, summer of 2019.

• 40:47Theo Von?

  Accident. It just seems so. It feels like there would be so much security around something like this.

• 40:52Speaker 01

  No, no, you, you, there are.

• 40:54Theo Von?

  But if everybody's keeping it a secret.

• 40:56Speaker 01

  Listen, we've published this on my Substack, Focal Points, Nick Holstein, McCullough Foundation. There's over 3,000 bio labs. Do you know there have been hundreds and hundreds of leaks? This one down in Galveston, there's been a ton of leaks.

• 41:11Theo Von?

  In Galveston, Texas?

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Sure. The, the, the, these labs require biosecurity level four, means you have to wear a hazmat suit. And they use reverse ventilation, what have you. All you need is a ventilation system going out, someone spilling a test tube, someone not being careful. And the Biden administration in 2024, in the summer of 2024, published this legislation. And it's concerning pathogens of pandemic potential that are dual purpose. It's very important.

• 41:45Theo Von?

  I'm a little confused.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  And what that means is, we are in the business of creating pathogens that can create pandemics. But they have a dual purpose, to get the world sick and to create vaccines.

• 42:01Theo Von?

  I see what you're saying. So they're able to create a pathogen now that can get you just sick enough, you're saying?

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Get the whole world sick. Now, that's kind of tricky because.

• 42:10Theo Von?

  Let me read this really fast. Sorry. There have been no recent reports of community-wide leak or environmental breach from the bio labs in Galveston as early of 2026.

• 42:20Theo Von?

  In February 2025, reports disclosed that there were three incidents in 2024 where researchers were potentially exposed to infectious agents within the high containment labs. The Chapar, Chapar virus, a lab worker accidentally punched their finger with a needle while handling an infected guinea pig. Shout out, guinea pigs, all of them. Chapar is a rare deadly hemorrhagic fever virus. Anthrax were also cited in the annual biosafety summer release. And containment status in all three cases, the incidents were contained inside the lab.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  So let's go to thefocalpoints.com. We're gonna have to start going to the original papers because you're getting, you're getting snowed on artificial intelligence. You're getting snowed. Okay, now do the search button up there and type in bio lab leak.

• 43:08Theo Von?

  Galveston?

• 43:09Speaker 01

  No, it'll come up.

• 43:10Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Let's pick any one of those. Just pick the UNC Chapel.

• 43:16Theo Von?

  That's it right there.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Click on the link right there.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  And this is what I do. I just go from the original papers and none of this.

• 43:29Theo Von?

  Yeah, because a lot of AIs, that was Gemini, I think, a lot of AIs, you just don't know what they're pulling in.

• 43:34Speaker 01

  The illusion of biosafety during SARS-CoV-2 research, multiple apparent occult lab-acquired infections identified under BSL3 conditions, primarily US labs. And so, you know, we're starting to get the idea that these labs are not infallible. And, you know, Trump has actually stopped federal funding of these, but they're richly funded by foundations like Gates Foundation, Rockefeller Trust, Wellcome Trust, and they're big business for universities. Do you know that not a single state has done an inventory of their biolabs? And I'm on the Senate Committee for Arizona, and they ask, well, Doc, what can we do to, you know, do better next time? I said, why don't you do an inventory of what universities are running biolabs?

• 44:18Theo Von?

  Wow. So there's biolabs on college campuses right now?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 44:22Theo Von?

  And are some of them handling like pretty severely infectious diseases?

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:25Theo Von?

  Really?

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, go back to.

• 44:27Theo Von?

  Like which ones, do you know?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Go back to focal points, and I want you to pull up when I did. Search on this and do pandemic potential dual. You're going to get the Biden administration. There we go. Click on the top one.

• 44:43Speaker 01

  This is the government, just scroll down. This is the government

• 44:48Speaker 01

  work on pandemics. This is the Bioweapons Convention, 1975, that says we shouldn't be in this business, so they call them biological threats. And just go down. The Biden administration put out

• 45:05Speaker 01

  guidance on this, of this dual-use potential. And it's a 31-page document, and it's very minimal oversight. Listen, if you were making a nuclear bomb in a university lab, you'd have the nuclear, here it is, you'd have the Nuclear Regulatory Commission all over you.

• 45:26Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  And here, this is so light, voluntary reporting, just kind of tell us what you're generally doing.

• 45:35Speaker 01

  You know, there was a biolab that someone found in Ridley, California. There was one recently in Las Vegas.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  It's been said, I can't back it up, but it's said they're all over Ukraine.

• 45:47Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  I am telling you, the next threat we have is from a bio lab. I feel pretty strongly about it.

• 45:53Theo Von?

  Well, I think based on what's happened recently, yeah. I mean, I think that would make a lot of sense to say. You know, America feels super compromised. I feel like in a lot of, I know, shocking. And I think we trusted the red, white and blue, you know? You believed that America was this thing for so long. And it may have been at some point, but I feel, I feel like the number one thing that I notice amongst a lot of my friends is that people just feel that this is, everyone's questioning everything right now, that we don't trust. We don't trust that our country, that our government, that our, that the entities out there are looking out for our best interest at all. In fact, that they're using us as prey.

• 46:31Theo Von?

  What, what countries do you feel like are leading the way in, in fighting for like truth and transparency? Do you feel like, and then with that said, how hard would it be for there to be this world? Like pandemic cabal to take over?

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Has the world ever agreed on anything?

• 46:52Theo Von?

  No.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  All 193 countries, ever?

• 46:56Theo Von?

  No.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Written language, religion, nothing. But suddenly this pandemic comes out and all the countries agree? That essentially there's one solution? Mass vaccination? You've got genetic vaccines that have never been used in mankind ever? And we're talking about largely messenger RNA vaccines, Pfizer and Moderna, which are the leads.

• 47:23Theo Von?

  So we'd never used genetic vaccines in the history of man?

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Never.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  And so.

• 47:30Theo Von?

  Is that true? Bring that up. These are the first genetic, what does that mean exactly?

• 47:34Speaker 01

  They're the first human messenger RNA vaccines. It's the genetic code for the lethal spike protein.

• 47:42Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  What a gamble. So you have a protein that's been worked on for years and years and years, and it's lethal. It's proven to be lethal. Then we create the genetic code for this lethal protein and inject the genetic code with no idea what's going to shut it off.

• 48:04Theo Von?

  No, genetic vaccines such as mRNA or DNA vaccines had not been used in humans before 2020. They underwent preclinical testing and early phase human clinical trials for conditions like influenza, rabies, Zika, HIV, and cancer, but none received regulatory approval or widespread use prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Wow. Now, listen, messenger RNA has been around for a long time. There's a paper by Lalani and colleagues, British Medical Journal, that dates messenger RNA development back to about 1985. Billions of dollars were poured into this by countries all over. Big companies, CureVac, Sanofi, BioNTech came along, Moderna, and there's a love affair with messenger RNA technology. I'm telling you, love affair. Can you imagine any protein we want to, we can make the code for, inject it and start making a protein? The enthusiasm for messenger RNA is through the roof. And, you know, when this pandemic came along, it was, it was

• 49:06Speaker 01

  like go time for those people in the messenger RNA world. And it was a very important development step. And I think it's very unfortunate, no one briefed Trump on this. DARPA, a research unit of the military, and this one you have to bring up on the screen, guys.

• 49:23Theo Von?

  And DARPA is basically their, their, our government's lab.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:28Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Military.

• 49:30Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  DARPA has a program in 2012.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  It's called the ADEPT P3 program. They announced in 2012 that our aspiration is to end pandemics within 60 days using messenger RNA vaccines in 2012. See if you can bring up, yeah, click on P3 right there.

• 49:52Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 49:53Speaker 01

  Click on that and scroll down and you'll see.

• 49:55Theo Von?

  Three aims to specifically to develop a scalable, adaptable and rapid response platform capable of producing relevant numbers of doses against any known or previously unknown infectious threat within 60 days of identification of such a threat in order to keep the outbreak from escalating and disruptions to the military and homeland.

• 50:12Speaker 01

  Now click, click on that next link autonomous. Now roll down, there should be a figure. Is there a link there? I guess not. But they literally show messenger RNA in a little life cycle that that's what they're using in 2012. Lalani, Lalani points out that this has been going on for the longest time. It's almost as if a technology waiting for a use. And when this rolled out, to me, one of the greatest blunders was that there was no way to shut off this genetic code. And so.

• 50:49Theo Von?

  What do you mean? No way to shut off once it's injected into you?

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yes. So normally cells make messenger RNA. So we have our DNA and a DNA codes for a message. The messenger RNA is made. It goes outside the cell and it works with ribosomes and it makes a protein like insulin. And then the messenger RNA is immediately dissolved with enzymes. Done. And so this cycle goes on and on and on. So the ability to make synthetic messenger RNA is powerful. But the reason why the development program stumbled so long is that it was immediately dissolved by these enzymes. So Kariko and Wiseman, who won the Nobel Prize in 2023, I believe.

• 51:36Speaker 01

  They came up with a process of replacing one of the base pairs in the code in messenger RNA, uracil, for a synthetic one called pseudo uridine. Once that happened, they were able to make the messenger RNA indestructible. Human enzymes can't break it down. Now it's game on.

• 51:56Theo Von?

  Ah, now it's ready.

• 51:57Speaker 01

  So now you, Kariko and Weisman, 2023 Nobel Prize.

• 52:00Theo Von?

  But this was after COVID come out.

• 52:02Speaker 01

  And I know, but the work wasn't, don't forget Nobel Prize is usually granted for 20 years of work. So, you know, they were working on this for years. So Pfizer, Moderna, when they went through their decision making on this, they tried, let's try to just replace 25% of the uracils. Well, it still gets dissolved. 50% still gets dissolved, 75%. They finally said, screw it. Replace all of it. Let's make it fully synthetic. Well, let me tell you what, this gets injected in the human body. Yeah, I was alarmed when that proposal was made. I published an op ed.

• 52:37Theo Von?

  So you have a fully synthetic genetic code inside of you?

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 52:41Theo Von?

  That can't be dissolved?

• 52:42Speaker 01

  Cannot be dissolved. That's Pfizer and Moderna. And I published an op ed in The Hill and myself and Scott Atlas were invited through 2020 to, you know, kind of guide a house in the Senate, White House on what's going on with the pandemic. And I published an op ed in The Hill in August of 2020. And the title of the op ed is The Great Gamble of the COVID-19 Vaccine Development Program. So I called it out. I said, listen, this is a gamble. And when this rolled out, the CDC says, well, it just stays in the arm and will be there for a couple of days. We have now one of my patients in Dallas and we've just published it. There you go.

• 53:27Speaker 01

  The Great Gamble. You're looking at the only public figure in the world who questioned the vaccines before they came out. The only one. You can't find another person who put it in writing big time before they came out. They came out December. They came out December of 2020. No one did.

• 53:44Theo Von?

  PMAC.

• 53:45Speaker 01

  No one did. No one else did it. I mean, the point I'm making is the entire world was seduced by this technology.

• 53:54Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  The seduction was overwhelming. Every country signed on to this. They couldn't wait to do this.

• 54:01Theo Von?

  Can you search that and see if the genetic code that was injected with the mRNA vaccines, it doesn't?

• 54:08Speaker 01

  Go to McCullough Foundation, mcculloughfnd.org, and I'll get you the link there. But the point is, we have one of my patients. This guy's taken three Pfizer shots. He's had blood clots, you know, MRI proven heart damage, neurologic damage. He's absolutely miserable with these shots. And so we work with a lab in Germany that can actually detect the spike protein. And scroll down to our publications, you should find it here.

• 54:36Theo Von?

  But this is on your own website?

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it links to the publication. Everything I do is peer reviewed and published. So that's him right there, actually, if you want to see him. That's Steve Kempin, the man right there with the glasses on. He's got Pfizer circulating his bloodstream 3.6 years after the shots. So it's in his skin. We did skin biopsies. We did two sets of skin biopsies, multiple sets of blood tests.

• 55:06Theo Von?

  Okay. And? And is this the only patient like this you've found?

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Well, it's the only, it's the only, with every seminal observation, he is the seminal observation. Now they'll be-

• 55:17Theo Von?

  What does that mean?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  That means the first one. It's the first observation. There it is. That's the central figure. This is essentially what we found in Steve Kempin. So this is the work we're doing at McCullough Foundation. You know, Harvard's not doing this. Mayo Clinic's not doing this. There's sick people who took the vaccine. They are not looking for the spike protein. They're not looking for the vaccine. They're baffled.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  You know, the Biden administration spent a billion dollars on long COVID, never considered the spike protein, which is the cause of long COVID. When you get the infection, a part of the spike protein gets stuck in your body. You take the vaccine, you get the full-length spike protein body. No wonder you feel sick.

• 55:56Theo Von?

  Why wouldn't they be trying to figure it out? Because there's money there, too.

• 56:00Speaker 01

  It's the most interesting observation ever. There's no lectures on the spike protein or vaccine injuries. There's no grand rounds. There's no primary care updates. The Biden administration spent a billion dollars on long COVID research. They didn't do a single spike protein or messenger RNA research study. Now we have a new administration in. They haven't done it. No one will look directly at the problem in the entire world. And on top of this, there's plenty of evidence suggesting each vial was different. Each batch was different. Some were super loaded, some didn't have much in it at all. There's tremendous batch-to-batch variability.

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• 58:09Theo Von?

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• 1:00:21Theo Von?

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• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  Do you know that not a single country has initiated a safety review of these vaccines? Not a single country has opened the vials to inspect them for quality or purity? And not a single country, they're on in 140 markets, not a single country has pulled them off the market.

• 1:01:01Theo Von?

  Why though? And how would you get all of these countries to go along with this continually and agree? Like, there has to still be some like countries out there who will raise their hand and ask questions, huh?

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  None. It's a mind-blowing reality. You can't get people to agree. This is the biggest oblivion.

• 1:01:23Theo Von?

  But you are saying you're getting them all to agree to not look into this?

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:01:29Theo Von?

  How?

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  I was asked to lecture last year in Chautauqua, which is actually a great honor. Chautauqua is the heart of modern American liberalism. It's in Western New York. The Roosevelts have lectured there.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  And I thought about this. How can this be? How can not a single medical school have a spike protein project looking at this?

• 1:01:57Speaker 01

  And I picked two prior examples where there is a complete oblivion to a big problem. The first one was 1860 to 1920, what I call the first great cocaine epidemic. Every drug made by all the pharmaceutical companies was cocaine derivatives. It was in Coca-Cola, it was in Chianti wine, all the doctors experimented with this, the nurses used it, all the medical journalists were publishing effects of cocaine, improving energy, in JAMA, in the New England Journal of Medicine. Halsted, the father of modern surgery, used cocaine as an aesthetic. He became a brutal cocaine addict. So did Sigmund Freud. He was on it, huh? Right.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  So, listen, this goes on for 60 years. In JAMA, our US medical journal, in 60 years, with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of papers on cocaine, there was one paper by an Irish doctor who said, "I'm concerned this is causing addiction."

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  One, in 60 years, a complete oblivion to the addictive potential of cocaine. So you're saying that it's possible? Okay, let me give another example. 1920 to 1978, what I call Smoke Fest.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Everyone smoked.

• 1:03:21Speaker 01

  Doctors smoked, nurses smoked, everyone smoked, people in high society, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke, smoke. Doctors handed out cigarettes in the clinics. RGR Reynolds, an American tobacco company, Philip Morris, they had doctor... Prescribed cigarettes? No, they had doctor cigarette promotional campaigns where the doctors handed out cigarettes. They said which ones they thought were the best and doctors claiming smoking is safe. This goes on and on and on. And finally, Sir Austin Bradford Hill in the UK, an epidemiologist, and Richard Dahl, a medical doctor. Present data in the UK in 1950, and they said, it looks like smoking causes lung cancer. No, you can't be, that you're smeared and discredited, debunked.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Loser. If it was social media, they would have been canceled. They would have been thrown off YouTube for saying that smoking caused lung cancer. They do the physician smoking study. They come back four years later, they say, listen, smoking is causing cancer. In fact, half of British doctors are dying of smoking-related conditions. Still doesn't convince them. In the United States, this goes all the way to 1964. Luther Terry, our Surgeon General, calls a meeting to Washington of the doctors and says, listen, I got the Surgeon's General report, smoking causes lung cancer. Doctors were still smoking. They still didn't believe him. Yeah. In fact, doctors were, doctors were smoking in the operating room, in the clinic.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  A great book is The Emperor of All Maladies by Mukherjee, one that Pulitzer Prizes in his first book. He describes the lead surgeon at Johns Hopkins, taking out these blackened lung cancers in surgery, and he was smoking all the time when he was doing the surgery and teaching the students, no, smoking doesn't, the black smoke doesn't cause the lung cancer. Wow. He himself dies of lung cancer, and on his deathbed, he still says that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer. It's not until 1978 before the AMA sheepishly comes out with its first brochure that dangers, health hazards of smoking. And it's not until the 1990s before we have the tobacco settlement.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  So my point is, listen, if cocaine and the doctors being totally oblivious to cocaine because they were seduced by it, totally oblivious to smoking because they were seduced by it, and now totally oblivious to the hazards of these COVID vaccines, we got three examples here. What's common to all of them? Self-participation.

• 1:05:49Speaker 01

  That is, they did it themselves. Can you imagine if you told a doctor, listen, did you take the Pfizer, Moderna vaccines?

• 1:05:55Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  Do you know they don't leave the body and they're still in your body now producing spike protein?

• 1:06:00Theo Von?

  Uh, no.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  And no, I don't know and I don't want to know. And did you have your wife and your family take it?

• 1:06:05Theo Von?

  Oh yeah, I did.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  And did you tell your patients to take it?

• 1:06:08Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Do you know it causes fatal heart damage and blood clots? And autoimmune problems, neurologic problems, stroke, and it may cause cancer? It's overwhelming. The average doctor cannot psychologically handle it, just like they couldn't psychologically handle it that cocaine was damaging themselves and ruining their lives, or like smoking was causing the lung cancer. It's the same thing.

• 1:06:30Theo Von?

  Wow. Yeah, I guess when you look at it like that, that it's happened throughout time, that if we've been standing right there in the sun and denying light, it's pretty wild. What are some of those common side effects that you've seen from the COVID-19 vaccines?

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Most concerning is fatal heart damage. Myocarditis, fatal.

• 1:06:49Theo Von?

  What is myocarditis? We hear about it all the time. People are like, you know, a guy, a kid falls down in a soccer game and people are yelling, he's got myocarditis. You know, you just don't know what's going on. What is it exactly?

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  There was a very important paper by Crosson, K-R-A-U-S-O-N, from Harvard, that found in some people who took the vaccines, found that the messenger RNA is physically in the heart. That's a bad sign. Whatever you take in the arm should not end up in the heart. So it has a tropism for the heart. It actually has a predilection to go in the heart. So, um, so there's Crosson to 2023.

• 1:07:27Theo Von?

  Take another lift.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  So messenger RNA is in the heart. Okay?

• 1:07:30Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  And.

• 1:07:31Theo Von?

  Let me see, duration of SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccine persistence and factors associated with the cardiac involvement in recently vaccinated patients.

• 1:07:43Theo Von?

  Let me see what it says. Vaccine was detected in the axillary lymph nodes in a majority of patients dying within 30 days of vaccination, but not in patients dying more than 30 days from vaccination. So originally it was going to the heart.

• 1:07:56Speaker 01

  Read farther down. Vaccine was detected in the myocardium, in the heart, in a subset of patients vaccinated within 30 days of death. I mean, it's at the scene of the crime. Okay. Another paper by Baumeyer, B A U M E I R. Baumeyer found the spike protein in the heart. He didn't have the tech to find the messenger RNA, but he found the spike protein in the heart. And there you go. That should be Baumeyer. That's it. So this is image, these are images showing inflammation and spike protein in the heart. So here's the point. The vaccine is in the heart. The spike protein is the heart. When you have

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  inflammation in the heart, the heart is dependent on having a nice, consistent muscle for conduction of electricity. That's how our heartbeat comes, depolarization. When you have inflammation, that creates heterogeneity in conduction, and then we can actually get a reentrent loop, an electrical loop that goes around very, very fast. That's called ventricular tachycardia. And if that isn't shocked or interrupted, it generates ventricular fibrillation, and you're down. Now, the triggers, we've had myocarditis rarely before the pandemic from various viruses and other forms of inflammation. It was known then that we can

• 1:09:20Speaker 01

  never let these people exercise, because if they exercise, the surge of adrenaline through exercise can trigger this abnormal heart rhythm.

• 1:09:30Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  It's in our guidelines. So as the vaccines roll out, and we've had a US Senate hearing on this in May of 2025.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  People started getting heart damage with the vaccines. And if you look up US Senate testimony, May 21st, 2026, Ron Johnson, Peter McCullough. The US government got communications from Israel saying, listen, we gave the vaccine to all our soldiers. We got 60 cases of heart damage and two cases are fatal. This came in in February of 2021. The public health agencies, they all sat on this. The White House sat on this and they didn't inform the public. And so more people got vaccinated.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  Then a big bomb hit and the bomb hit, that's my opening statement right there. A big bomb hit in August of 2021 where a paper was published from Washington University in St. Louis. First author is Verma, V E R M A. And they describe a 42-year-old man who takes a Moderna shot, develops myocarditis, gets really sick, goes in the hospital and he dies right in front of them. They can't save him. With all the technology that we have, life support systems, everything else, he dies. Brutal, fatal myocarditis.

• 1:11:07Speaker 01

  And this is New England Journal of Medicine. So, but here's my point. If there was a new drug on the market and we gave it to somebody and they died of fatal heart damage, there'd be product warnings, withdrawals, doctors would say, wait a minute, I'm not concerned. Doctors showed no concern over this. Outside of me, I saw this. I said, you gotta be kidding me. This kills a healthy 42-year-old man? If this, if, if Moderna can kill a healthy 42-year-old man with all the technology and we can't save him, do you know how many people are dying in nursing homes, in athletic fields, and in schools, and all over? And how many people are dying in, in, in, uh, underdeveloped countries?

• 1:11:53Theo Von?

  But are we seeing an uptick in that? Like, is there any information? Or would we even get the correct information anymore? That's, that's, because it starts to get to this place where you're like, okay, if this is really happening, I'm not seeing people drop dead everywhere, you know? Um, I'm not hearing that, but also you don't know if the news is factual or not a lot of times. Don't you think you would see like, see it happening en masse so that it would really support some of this information that you're saying?

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  You'd have to, um, get to a point where it would be, people have estimated this. What would be something so significant that you'd see it with your human eye? It's probably more than 15%.

• 1:12:38Theo Von?

  More than 15% of the population, you mean?

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  You'd have, you'd have to just see bodies all over the place.

• 1:12:42Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:12:43Theo Von?

  Yeah, you'd literally have to be like, oh, man, what's going on?

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Otherwise, you'll miss an important signal. Now, there's, there's 12 studies showing mortality is actually up since the pandemic, not down. You know, you go through a pandemic, there's a culling effect. There should be, you know, sicker, frail people who die, and therefore, the remaining people have a lower mortality if the pandemic mortality is up.

• 1:13:05Theo Von?

  Do you believe that the number of vaccine-related deaths is being misrepresented?

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  Yes. So let's go to Open VAERS, Open VAERS, O-P-E-N-V-A-E-R-S.com. Click US Data. Okay, this, nobody's challenged this. This is presented in the US Senate multiple times. These are deaths reported to VAERS by doctors like me, who've already determined the vaccine is the cause of death. This is not controversial. I've reported some of these cases. I've already decided the vaccine caused the death. I filed the death certificate. I've looked at the autopsy. I've looked at the MRIs. I've looked at all the data. This is not up to the CDC to decide.

• 1:13:43Theo Von?

  Understood.

• 1:13:44Speaker 01

  I've decided, okay? 16, 19,609 deaths. Okay. Do you know how many deaths per year come into this system for all the other vaccines combined?

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Hundred and fifty.

• 1:14:01Theo Von?

  Hundred and fifty thousand?

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Hundred and fifty.

• 1:14:03Theo Von?

  Total?

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Total.

• 1:14:05Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:14:05Speaker 01

  This is off the Richter scale, off the Richter scale. And so in Senate, in House and Senate and FDA testimony, people say, wait a minute, if you don't have the vaccine card and you're not willing to report it, and you don't have all the data, it can't be reported. So what is the underreporting factor? There's actually a publication on this. But from you, from conservatively, because people are aware of COVID and fatal side effects, the conservative estimate is thirty. And in my publications, I use thirty.

• 1:14:36Theo Von?

  Thirty thousand?

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  No, thirty. It's a, it's an underreporting factor, meaning this nineteen thousand, six hundred and nine is probably underreported thirtyfold. So the true number of vaccine deaths is between five hundred and six hundred thousand deaths.

• 1:14:52Theo Von?

  No way.

• 1:14:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:54Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 1:14:55Speaker 01

  Now, listen.

• 1:14:56Theo Von?

  And how do you get that thirty X?

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  Well, there's a paper by Lazarus that said it's a hundred, it's a hundredfold underreported. People said, no, people know about these COVID vaccines. So the, we are reporting more deaths now than other vaccines. But thirtyfold underreported is conservative. It's conservative. But even if we, even if there's no underreporting, nineteen thousand, six hundred and nine, what if we had nineteen thousand, six hundred and nine people die from, you know, a new energy drink?

• 1:15:23Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  People would be outraged.

• 1:15:25Theo Von?

  Like Prime or whatever.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Right? I mean, you know, we, we, we have a couple of people die in a, in a building collapse. It makes the news. You know, you have Nancy Guthrie, bless her heart, she's abducted from her home. It's on the news for, for weeks on end.

• 1:15:41Theo Von?

  Yeah, Cass Patel can't even find her. He's out partying or whatever.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  No, but what I mean is, we.

• 1:15:46Theo Von?

  He's at hockey.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  One death is too many. But here we are, here we are, in that nineteen thousand, six hundred and nine, are these in-your-face deaths reported in the peer-reviewed literature? And one that really caught my eye is by Gil and colleagues. Gil, Archives of Pathology. This is terrible. This is two boys, they're teenagers, they.

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Die after taking Pfizer and they're found, Estegio, they're found in their beds, dead at home by their parents. They get autopsies, they bring an expert pathologist. It's conclusive. They died of taking the Pfizer vaccine, healthy, young adolescents.

• 1:16:26Theo Von?

  Let me read this. Clinical and autopsy investigation of two teenage boys who died shortly following administration of the second Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 dose. The myocardial injury seen in these post-vaccine hearts is different from typical myocarditis and has an appearance most closely resembling a catecholamine mediated stress cardiomyopathy. Understanding these instances are different from typical myocarditis and that cytokine storm has a known feedback loop.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  Do you want me to translate?

• 1:16:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Okay. I mentioned that-

• 1:17:01Theo Von?

  It's that electrical loop you were talking about.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Wait, I mentioned the vaccine is in the heart, the spike points in his heart, there's inflammation. But what triggers the cardiac arrest is a surge of adrenaline that occurs on the playing field during athletics. It also occurs between 3:00 AM and 6:00 AM during the normal waking hours of sleep. They're called the waking hours. That's what happens. So the pattern of vaccine deaths has been during sports and athletics and then dead in bed.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  These are astronomical numbers.

• 1:17:30Theo Von?

  The simple fact that 150 people have died of vaccine, die of vaccines each year, right? Is that what you're saying?

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  That's what comes in the report.

• 1:17:37Theo Von?

  Right. And this report is saying that there was 19,000, this is just, which we believe is highly underreported.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Right, 19,000 over five years. So, but, but I can tell you, you know, by March of 2021, three months into the campaign, there were 1,600 deaths. And I was called to the Texas Senate. I said, listen, I'm concerned. I had already expressed concern before they came out. I'm really concerned. And, and you can't-

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  whitewash this away. And that's what we saw being done everywhere. And I've heard ridiculous explanations like, well, these aren't verified. Well, who's going to verify them? The doctor has all the right. Yep. When I do a VAERS report, the first three or four pages is all about me. Who are you? Who's making this report? Where's your name? What's your address? What's your email? What's your office address? What have you? Okay. Then the next several pages are who the patient? Who are they? Who are their relatives? Where's their, where's your email? What's their address? The CDC has all of this information on 19,000 deaths. Do you know how many people the CDC has actually called to, to kind of do a study? Zero. Wow.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  They're sitting on 19,600 deaths. They have all the information. They didn't even, they didn't even send a, you know, a, a, I'm sorry, card. I mean, let alone do a study.

• 1:19:14Theo Von?

  I mean, to think that the Center for Disease Control, we're, we're so diseased. We're one of the most diseased countries in existence. How they're even still allowed to function to me is just beyond me. I think most people, um, I'm, I'm seeing an uptick of people that want to give births in home. People that do not want to go to the hospital anymore. People looking for, uh, home remedies, homeopathic type of, uh, remedies. Uh, people trying to get off of their antidepressants. I mean, I think it's one of the largest resurgences. There's more people getting into homeschooling right now.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:48Theo Von?

  Right now than there was during COVID. Right? If you think about that, that's unbelievable. That's how much people do not trust, uh, any of these entities anymore.

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  Well, have you heard that there's measles outbreaks everywhere?

• 1:20:01Theo Von?

  I haven't seen it.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all over. Oh, my gosh.

• 1:20:04Theo Von?

  Is it true?

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, it, it, you know, there are. Now, there's one of the social media platforms. It's called Threads. Do you know what Threads is? Yeah. Oh, yeah. So go on Threads. I don't think we have a Threads account, though. I do. But anyhow, you go on Threads, you are, every time you turn around, there's a measles update, another measles outbreak, another measles outbreak. That's interesting that that's where it's at, too. Nobody's even on Threads. So, of interest, we have about 1,000 measles cases so far this year, and average year is about 2,000 in the United States. There have been 40,000 distinct press pieces on measles outbreaks. Wow.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  And 75% of those encourage taking the measles vaccine. So, this is interesting. And so, and by the way, in the pieces, they blame RFK and Trump. Now, think about this. RFK and Trump have been in office, what, a year and three months? A baby doesn't come up for the first measles vaccine until about 18 months of age. So, the measles cases are seen now. And so, the most ridiculous thing is, they'll say measles outbreak hits college campus. So, why don't you type in measles outbreaks? There have been some measles cases on college campuses. And they'll say, they'll blame RFK and Trump. Say, wait a minute, that

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  kid's vaccine decision occurred 15 years ago. How can they blame Trump? And so, there you go. Hits the university in Florida. Oh, yeah. Florida, UMass Amherst. I've caught something over there. Okay. But so, here's another point. There's been measles outbreaks recently in the UK. So, in the UK, well, how can you blame Trump and RFK? It's the UK. They have a different vaccine schedule. So, here's the point I'm making is, and I wrote a Substack on this recently, that if you go to thefocalpoints.com, I'll give you the updated numbers, that

• 1:22:14Speaker 01

  We have a situation where testing has been ramped up fourfold. Now they're just doing PCR testing for measles all over. And it turns out the measles vaccine isn't perfect. So in a paper by Bianchi and colleagues, they found about 20% of people take the measles vaccine. They don't have any serologic protection. I'm one of them. I took the first shot. I took a second shot. I went to medical school. I got a blood test. I had to take, I took four measles. I still don't have any measles. I guarantee if I got exposed to measles, I would get it. But so it's not perfect. But the measles is being used as an example to try to, in this whole vaccine promotional world, which has divided people into vaxers and anti-vaxers. Have you heard that one?

• 1:22:57Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 1:22:58Speaker 01

  Are you an anti-vaxer?

• 1:23:00Theo Von?

  Um, no, I'm, I, I, I mean, I got vaccines when I was young. I didn't get the COVID one, but I don't, I'm, I'm curious about the science. And I think, I don't trust the entities that tell us the things we need to do to take care of ourselves anymore. So I think everything should be put under a microscope right now.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:17Theo Von?

  And I think people should trust their own decision making. And if that's wrong or right, then at least you as a human can live with that. As opposed to feeling like you may have gotten poisoned, because then that's out of your, then that's not your choice, really.

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  Well, sure. And, you know, I think the unique thing about vaccines is they've been, and we, we point this out in my book, they've been proposed to essentially be a savior to humanity. And that you get a vaccine to protect other people. And in many ways, that's, that's a myth. The real reason to get a vaccine is for your own personal protection. So it must be a personal choice.

• 1:23:53Theo Von?

  I think it is.

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  Just like you take a blood pressure medicine to lower your personal blood pressure. You're not doing it for somebody else. You're doing it for yourself. But vaccines have been presented that, wait a minute, this is good for humanity. And people should do it. And if you're against doing it, you're hesitant. Wait a minute, vaccine hesitancy, that's actually a psychiatric disease. Do you know there's 20?

• 1:24:16Theo Von?

  Are you serious?

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's 20 scientific survey instruments to assess your vaccine hesitancy. And if you score above a certain level, you have a disease.

• 1:24:25Theo Von?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:24:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:24:26Theo Von?

  Bring that up, vaccine hesitancy?

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, put up McCullough vaccine hesitancy. I just published a paper on this. It's on the Substack. You'll find everything on Substack or my Twitter, you guys. Okay, that's it.

• 1:24:36Theo Von?

  Throughout history, there's always been, but this is just you writing it. But this is real information.

• 1:24:40Speaker 01

  It's peer reviewed.

• 1:24:41Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:24:43Theo Von?

  Throughout history, there's always been a fear of untreatable, potentially fatal communicable disease. Immunization has been an advancement in population health that has developed over three centuries. However, fear of side effects is a psychological phenomenon that has arisen as a substantial issue for the lay public. Vaccine hesitancy, a complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization, poses significant challenges as a concept to the research and public health communities. Who decided vaccine hesitancy was real? Or are you just saying it?

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Eighteenth century. It goes back to the 1700s.

• 1:25:17Theo Von?

  Vaccine hesitancy, a complex phenomenon rooted in historical resistance to immunization.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. And in the paper, I identified 20 different of these measures. You know, there's an Oxford measurement of vaccine hesitancy.

• 1:25:31Theo Von?

  That's so crazy.

• 1:25:32Speaker 01

  And it's just, yeah. So the idea is, it actually, you're considered to have a psychiatric disease if you are hesitant to take a vaccine. That's how far this has gone. And, you know, people say, well, it was really hard during COVID. I lost my job, what have you. In our book, we point out that, this is the late 18th century, let's say about 1790 or so, and some of these smallpox outbreaks, when clearly in the late 19th century, you know, 1890 or so, if you decline taking a vaccine, or your children, your children go to jail. Families went to jail, parents went to jail. This was enormous. This has gone on for a long time now. So...

• 1:26:17Theo Von?

  While vaccine hesitancy is not a disease itself, but is a formal, medical, and socio-biological term used to describe the delay in acceptance and refusal of vaccines, that makes sense. The term was solidified by the WHO Sage Working Group on Vaccine Hesitancy, which was established in 2012.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Right. Listen, pull up the statement by the WHO. It should come down here, where the WHO says that vaccine hesitancy is a major threat to public health.

• 1:26:46Theo Von?

  I think it might have even been in that first thing you put up.

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  Major threat to public health. And so vaccine hesitancy is is basically put forward as a principle that there is top 10 threats to public health. If you're hesitant to take a vaccine.

• 1:27:04Theo Von?

  In 2019, the World Health Organization officially named vaccine hesitancy as one of the top 10 threats to global health. This designation was a landmark moment because it shifted the focus from the vaccines themselves to the behavioral and social factors that prevent people from using them. But.

• 1:27:18Speaker 01

  Okay, but I told you about our government covering up, and this is like in US Senate, Homeland Security government files permanent subcommittee investigations. This is airtight. Our government covered up heart damage with the COVID vaccines because they didn't want to promote vaccine hesitancy by telling people the facts.

• 1:27:40Theo Von?

  Well, sure. I mean, I think that it's all part of the same thing. It's like, well, if we show this, then it's going to make people weary of vaccines.

• 1:27:46Speaker 01

  I mean, in our society, safety comes first. It doesn't matter how good these vaccines are. It doesn't matter what they could possibly do. If they're not safe, they should go.

• 1:28:01Theo Von?

  Well, our safety only comes first to us. And sometimes even then, it's, but it doesn't, it obviously does not come first. It doesn't feel like anymore to any of these powers at bay.

• 1:28:10Speaker 01

  Well, does safety come first in automobiles? Yes, because you have all these inspections. Does safety come first when you build your house? You can't get your certificate until things are safe and engineering. Does safety come first in other areas? Yes, except vaccines, because vaccines have become a religion. They are accepted as articles of faith. This has been going on for 300 years. It's a religious thing. So if you come in and you say something that violates somebody's religious beliefs, you know what they do? If they're nice to you, you know what they do? They give you the Heisman. They say, I don't want to talk about it. That's what most of my colleagues do.

• 1:28:50Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  I don't want to talk about it. And if if you go further, you know what they normally do? Happened to me, obviously. They throw you out.

• 1:28:58Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  They say, listen, you're anti-religious, you're sacrilegious, get out.

• 1:29:03Theo Von?

  Well, here's the thing, this wouldn't be on so many people's emotional radar and truth radar if there wasn't some truth to it.

• 1:29:11Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 1:29:12Theo Von?

  Like, that to me is undeniable. Like, I've always trusted my instincts, right? Sometimes I'm wrong, but over time I hone them and a lot of times they get very keen for me and I operate well with them, right? And I assume that's how most people operate.

• 1:29:24Speaker 01

  Yes. You mentioned you didn't take the COVID vaccines.

• 1:29:28Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  I didn't take them either. And according to USA Facts, which takes the tabular data from the CDC, the best estimates are that 19% of us did not take the shots, 19%. Now, 81% took at least one shot, but only 70% took two shots. So only 70% got fully vaccinated.

• 1:29:51Theo Von?

  Ah, understood. I'll say this, we had a guy, we had a guy on last week that's called James Lee and he investigates a lot of, he exposes a lot of corruption and he exposes a lot of like rich people that are just being like deviant, you know? Type of stuff, you know, companies, politicians, all that, you know, he's seeking out like, he's known for investigations into like corruption and fraud. He was working as a consultant for one of these big biotech companies. And he said there was a conference call at one point where,

• 1:30:25Theo Von?

  where a representative from the company was talking about how they had, everyone had been vaccinated that was gonna get vaccinated. They kind of figured that. And then there were still a lot of vaccinations left. There was a stockpile of vaccinations left. And so that they were gonna start to push this idea that you needed a further, like a, because there was extra, right? Not because they thought that people really needed it, but because there was extra. Do you think something like that could be true?

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure. Do you know that the pharmacies did not have any blanking period after someone got a shot?

• 1:31:04Speaker 01

  So

• 1:31:05Theo Von?

  Like, what do you mean, there was no timeline between this you get a second one?

• 1:31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I mean, you got the primary series is you get one shot. And then two to four weeks later, you get a second shot. But after that, the idea is, well,

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  six months or a year, ultimately, it was decided that there were going to be annual shots. But the pharmacies didn't mind giving you extra shots. So I had some patients came in and they were upstanding citizens and they said, Dr. McCullough, we got our COVID shots. And I was like, oh, boy, you know, hope you're okay. And they said, well, yeah, we're fine, but we're gonna go on a cruise. So we went in and got some extra shots. And it's possible.

• 1:31:45Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:31:45Speaker 01

  So can you imagine if I was prescribed a drug for a patient? And they took, I said, take one pill a day. And they said, well, it's such a good pill. I think I'll take 20 or I'll take 50 or I'll take 100. Can you imagine me saying, well, sure, just take as many as you want to? We would never do this. And so with vaccines, there is a delusional scheme that the more vaccines, the better.

• 1:32:10Theo Von?

  But vaccines have been helpful throughout history.

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  Sure. So in our book, you know, vaccines, mythology, ideology and reality, there's a reality for sure. So the measles vaccine, that's a good example. It definitely dropped the case count of measles. But it's not perfect. So if you took the shot, you still could get measles. So we have measles outbreaks. And on top of that, there's like any drug, there's always risks and benefits. So what's the risks of the measles vaccine? This is important. This is another one that's on the Zenodo server, you guys, we just came out with this. We analyzed how many babies died after the measles vaccine, the MMR vaccine since 1990s.

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Answer, I think there's over 100 kids, maybe 200 kids died.

• 1:32:59Theo Von?

  From the vaccine.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  It was a combination of vaccines, but they found them dead in their bassinet. How many people died of measles during that same time? About six or eight? You get the exact numbers if you guys go on the server. So there are risks. That's the point. Nothing is risk free. Let me give you another one.

• 1:33:18Theo Von?

  But right there, what you're saying is, yeah, it's effective.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, it drops the case count, but you could lose your baby with it.

• 1:33:25Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:33:26Speaker 01

  Okay. Now, what about chickenpox? I had chickenpox as a kid, but my kids didn't get chickenpox. They took the shots. So chickenpox lowers the case count. Terrific. But what's the catch? There's always a catch. That's the point. The catch is that now there's a higher rate of adult shingles if you take the chickenpox vaccine.

• 1:33:50Theo Von?

  So you're really just pushing it down the road then?

• 1:33:52Speaker 01

  Well, it's a trade off. It's a trade off.

• 1:33:55Theo Von?

  Who doesn't want chickenpox? First of all, you get out of school for like two or three days.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  And you get, you get permanent immunity. So there's always a trade off. So you, there's an important paper in JAMA recently by Vasouvian, V A S E D U V A N. That said, a large number of parents now are not going to get their kids fully vaccinated. They've seen enough of this now. There's been way.

• 1:34:22Theo Von?

  Is that alarming to you? Or how does that look to you?

• 1:34:24Speaker 01

  Well, I think it's going to bring us back to a more appropriate use of vaccines. Now, I'm not against the use of vaccines. I took every vaccine known to man, except for the COVID shots. I've taken all kinds of, you know, flu shots. My kids took all the vaccines, so I'm not against vaccines. But I think they're excessively used. And where we're going is what's called risk stratification. That is, there has to be some meaningful risk of the disease for you to take the shot. So let me give you an example. If you've had your spleen taken out, you had a car accident, you got taken out or taken out for other reasons, like my brother in law had a spleen taken out. You can die from a pneumococcal infection, meningococcal infection, or hermaphyllos infection.

• 1:35:09Speaker 01

  It's called encapsulated organisms. I feel very strongly, if you've had your spleen taken out, you should get those vaccines. Because it's compelling. It's like you don't have a chance. I've seen some patients go down with these infections. However, if you're young and healthy like you and I, I mean, come on. I mean, we're not, I mean, you're not going to, you're not going to go down with a pneumonia. It's just not going to happen. Let me give another example. This came up recently. A healthy baby born where the mother is negative for hepatitis B, the baby is fine. The baby has zero chance of getting hepatitis B until they get into teenage years. And even then, they're probably going to be fine. Depends on what choices they make with IV drug abuse and sexual partners, what have you.

• 1:35:55Speaker 01

  It's just not compelling to give them the hepatitis B vaccine. Now, I took it myself when I, you know, went into medical school and I was going to work with blood and what have you, or a paramedic or a police officer. But not every person needs to take the hepatitis B vaccine. I think it's compelling. The highest risk for hepatitis B transmitting it to the baby is in about 20,000 mothers who have active Hep B. Most of them are immigrants, by the way, from outside the United States. They come here, they have Hep B, they're going to give it to the baby. And so when that occurs, the mother gets the vaccine, the mother gets a drug called Fasinevir, and the baby gets hepatitis B immunoglobulin, and the baby gets...

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  So we have for 20,000 babies out of 3.3 million born, we have a good hepatitis B transmission. It's very effective. It's 90% effective. But it doesn't have to be applied to all 3.3 million.

• 1:36:53Theo Von?

  Got it. Yeah, I agree.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  Recently, even Rand Paul said this, others said that, listen, we're overdoing vaccines. So I think where we're going is risk stratification. One that's going to come up, you're going to hear about it, is actually the human papillomavirus vaccine, HPV.

• 1:37:09Theo Von?

  Yeah, I've heard about that.

• 1:37:09Speaker 01

  Again, that's sexually transmitted and it's given to all children in teenage years. But I can tell you, you know what the most compelling group is? That transmits this virus like you cannot believe? Gay and bisexual men. Anal intercourse unprotected, watch out, anal carcinoma, penile carcinoma, et cetera, and oral head and neck cancers. So, the bottom line is, you know, HPV vaccine? Yeah, gay or bisexual man? For sure.

• 1:37:42Theo Von?

  Everyone? Probably not.

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  Everyone? It's gotta be an individual decision. So, but, so, we're got, we have to get to risk stratification and freedom of choice as opposed to putting it on a government's schedule and forcing it into people.

• 1:37:58Theo Von?

  The CDC recommends routine HPV vaccinations for pre-teens at 11 or 12 years old, but it can be started as early as age nine with the goal of protecting them before exposure to HPV, as it works best at, at younger ages. But here's one question I have. At a certain point, wouldn't some of these drug companies or these law, like these, like, if there's a bigger entities out there that are, that are, there's this cabal of control, wouldn't they, is there more money in them, you battling these diseases over time than there is just in one vaccine? You know what I'm saying? Like, wouldn't it then, on the, them tabulating how much money they could make off of a person,

• 1:38:40Theo Von?

  wouldn't it be like, oh, well, it's better if we have them battling these two diseases? Or, instead of getting a vaccine early? Does that make sense?

• 1:38:46Speaker 01

  No, the question is good.

• 1:38:49Speaker 01

  If you're a drug company, and you say, I've got two choices. I'm gonna make a vaccine, or I'm gonna make a drug to treat the disease. You would take the vaccine every time. Because the vaccine, let's say, a, you know, a universal vaccine, like influenza, you're gonna give it to 300 million people! That's 300 million doses!

• 1:39:13Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  If you get influenza, and severe influenza, you'd have a drug that's maybe given to 50,000 people. It's night and day.

• 1:39:22Theo Von?

  So then, right there, that should be information to us that... That that makes like, it makes more sense than if you're like, well, let me just wait and see what 50,000 people would have these symptoms or get this, it feels like.

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  From a public health perspective, my view on this is that it should all be about treatment. Right? I mean, so, you know, have you ever gotten influenza test positive ever? You've never even gotten it or tested for it?

• 1:39:50Theo Von?

  I don't have it.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  Okay, you never have?

• 1:39:52Theo Von?

  Never have.

• 1:39:53Speaker 01

  Have you ever taken an influenza vaccine?

• 1:39:55Theo Von?

  I don't know.

• 1:39:57Speaker 01

  I can tell you, that shows you, it's completely irrelevant to you. I've never had influenza, and I've never taken the test.

• 1:40:03Theo Von?

  I've never even met anybody that's even said it before.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Right. So my point is, why is it recommended for you, me, every human being on earth, including little babies, every year?

• 1:40:15Theo Von?

  But is the reason why we're not talking about it or anything, or know anybody that has it because it?

• 1:40:20Speaker 01

  Well, you don't take the shots.

• 1:40:22Theo Von?

  Oh, that's right. But did I once get it when I was a child?

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  No, what I'm saying is, it's an annual risk.

• 1:40:26Theo Von?

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  Do you see what I mean? So it's an annual risk. So the point is, the fear of infectious diseases is grossly exaggerated to promote vaccine uptake. Vaccine mythology and ideology has been going on for 300 years. This is medical religion. This is medical. Do you know some doctors will throw a patient out of their office if they don't take a vaccine? Yeah. Pediatricians will. They'll say, listen, if your kid doesn't take a vaccine, they're out of here.

• 1:40:57Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah. I've seen people fighting about that online, like, you know, they, I didn't want my kids to have the vaccines, and this is how they treated us.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I prescribe blood pressure medicines. If you don't take this blood pressure medicine, I'm throwing you out of my office.

• 1:41:12Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:12Speaker 01

  I mean, this is, it's insane. It's a religion. And how the ideology works is like this. That there's always been historically tremendous fear of infectious diseases, and that we're vulnerable. We're vulnerable. But through the brilliance of man, man and vaccines can improve upon God's creation. Man outdoes God with vaccines. This is very important. And because the vaccines aren't perfect.

• 1:41:48Speaker 01

  We all have to take them. And because this is such a laudable goal for humanity, if some people are injured or disabled or died of the vaccine, they should take it for the betterment of humanity. They should take it for the team. It's collateral damage and it's acceptable in the eyes of this vaccine ideology. It is a runaway freight train. Look at the front of our book. Look at the coin on the front of the book. Look at the iconography. That's a boy.

• 1:42:19Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  This is a 22 euro coin issued by the Vatican. That's a boy in the tripartite imagery.

• 1:42:26Theo Von?

  There's a boy getting a vaccine. This coin was issued by the Vatican?

• 1:42:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, issued by Vatican. But look at, but look at this. This is during the pandemic. The boy should be receiving the Eucharist. He should be receiving the body and blood of Jesus Christ.

• 1:42:40Theo Von?

  So you're saying-

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

  But instead, he's receiving the vaccine.

• 1:42:43Theo Von?

  Yes. So you're saying there's a bigger psychology here of playing God.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  It's a religion. The point is, it's a religion. That's the reason why people can't talk about it. That's the reason why doctors are nuts over this. That's the reason why there are no lectures about side effects from vaccines.

• 1:42:59Theo Von?

  No grand rounds.

• 1:43:00Speaker 01

  No grand rounds. We can't talk about it. There are people who, there are people listening to your show. They still can't talk to their relatives about this.

• 1:43:10Theo Von?

  Well, now everyone's in a spot where it's like, it feels like a lot of people know that it's bullshit, but you don't want to bring it up to people because they've probably had the vaccine and you don't want to hurt somebody's feelings.

• 1:43:23Speaker 01

  Well, what did I do when I came here? I did a quick check. Did everybody take the vaccine? Where are we on this? Because people start to get pretty uncomfortable when we talk about this.

• 1:43:31Theo Von?

  Yeah. If you have something swimming in your pool, you don't, you know, and you don't want to admit it, but you can't, you don't have a net, then what, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's a little bit alarming because you can't-

• 1:43:39Speaker 01

  Well, that's the reason why I have, you know, you have the one doctor in the chair right now, where I was the first to devise- A method to treat COVID patients to avoid hospitalization and death, McCullough Protocol, the most widely used early treatment protocol in the world. It's been credited with saving tens of millions of lives.

• 1:44:00Theo Von?

  Let's go.

• 1:44:00Speaker 01

  Sparing hundreds of millions of hospitalizations. Listen, Harvard could have grabbed this. They didn't. I did. And now I've devised the first detoxification protocol.

• 1:44:10Theo Von?

  I want to hear about it.

• 1:44:10Speaker 01

  Of what people should do when they've had the infection multiple times, or they've taken a vaccine. And so.

• 1:44:17Theo Von?

  Now, it's only have to be they only took one vaccine, or they have to get at least two vaccines?

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  Listen, whether you take the infection, whether you've had the infection, or you've taken the vaccine, you've gotten the spike protein in you. So it matters for virtually everybody.

• 1:44:30Theo Von?

  So even if I never took the vaccine, but I got, but I tested that I had antibodies?

• 1:44:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:36Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:44:36Speaker 01

  You've had some spike protein in you. So we've been studying this. This is McCullough Protocol, based spike protein detoxification, first published in 2023, peer-reviewed literature. And, you know, after working with every drug under the sun, the Biden administration spent a billion dollars in this. They found no drugs. Turns out three natural products have a huge impact. Natokinase, bromelain, and curcumin. Natokinase and bromelain are natural products. Now, we use them in high doses, medicinal doses, but they dissolve the spike protein in the body. They help you clear it out. Curcumin is blocking the inflammatory effects of the spike protein. And they're well tolerated in high doses. Remember, most prescription drugs are still natural products.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  They're just in high doses. And so this protocol was published. And then now we've published multiple cases and we have, I've experienced in thousands of patients. We reliably bring antibodies to the spike protein down. And when we can measure spike protein directly, that's coming down and patients get better. It takes a long time. So, you know, it takes probably over a year.

• 1:45:42Theo Von?

  Of taking these.

• 1:45:43Speaker 01

  Of taking the supplements.

• 1:45:44Theo Von?

  And how often should they take them? What do you have? Do you, is that one, is that it right there?

• 1:45:47Speaker 01

  This is it. So this is the lead product. This is from the wellness company, the ultimate spike detox. And this is high dose, natto kinase, bromelain and curcumin. We formed a whole company around this. Well, this company is probably one of the greatest success stories out of the pandemic. It's now a global healthcare company, telemedicine, nutraceuticals and supplements, emergency kits. We'll never get burned again because now we have treatment kits for pandemics. And I've told people, listen, I don't think the government's going to save us from the next pandemic, but the wellness company will. And we continue to innovate. People need, in general, they need over a year of this to clear this spike protein out. Take a look at it.

• 1:46:28Theo Von?

  How do you decide what supplements are safe and effective enough to put in here? And what grades?

• 1:46:31Speaker 01

  Well, we have a medical board. We had certainly multiple meetings. We went through dose ranging. Once we got to the product, we had to go through the Federal Trade Commission.

• 1:46:40Theo Von?

  So this isn't just some white labeled thing?

• 1:46:41Speaker 01

  No, no, this is, this is the real deal. And so it's all science backed. And, and you know, we didn't, we intentionally did not, we intentionally did not patent this. It's copyrighted mainly for just accountability, but we did not patent it because so many people worldwide need it. Now have fun. Are you on Amazon? Go to Amazon and type in spike detox. I did this before I came. There are dozens and dozens of products. There are dozens. Type in spike detox.

• 1:47:12Theo Von?

  Are there any side effects of it?

• 1:47:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if you're looking, most of it is ours, but you'll just scroll down, you'll see a zillion different products. So the bottom line is this tells you people know about the spike protein. All this wouldn't be on Amazon.

• 1:47:26Theo Von?

  I agree.

• 1:47:27Speaker 01

  Now, listen, the doctors are not measuring this in the bloodstream. The doctors are not talking about spike protein. It's not in New England Journal of Medicine or JAMA, but it's all over Amazon. That should tell you something. It's, it's absolutely hilarious.

• 1:47:40Theo Von?

  Or that there's a fear of it out there and people are capitalizing on a fear.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. You know, that's a fair point.

• 1:47:48Theo Von?

  I mean, it could be.

• 1:47:49Speaker 01

  That's a fair point.

• 1:47:50Theo Von?

  Because I've looked at hair medicine, like hair scalp things over a lot, over the years on that you find articles like this, this will help. And they set you up with an article. And then like, even if you, even if you don't even go on the link from the article to the product, but then you go find their product and then you realize, and then I've had things come out like this thing doesn't do anything. It was just a, it's phony.

• 1:48:08Speaker 01

  But here's the thing. Natto kinase is used by the Japanese as a heart supplement. Oh, I love them. It helps, it helps unblock arteries. So natto kinase is beneficial anyway. Bromelain is derived from pineapple. It's also anti-infective and healthy. Bromelain is actually used as, as a prescription drug in a form of an ointment that's used in deep burn wounds. And then curcumin is derived from turmeric. That's anti-arthritic. That's a healthy supplement. Yeah. So bottom line is, you know, no one's, no one's capitalizing because these are three healthy supplements anyway, but we have a compelling case to use them in spike detoxification. How were you able to test that it worked?

• 1:48:54Speaker 01

  Well, this is perfect for HHS, Robert F. Kennedy and his team to do a large prospective, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trial. Have they done it yet? No. Have they even called about it? No. What would, what would that trial mean? I mean, 20,000 people in each group. It would probably be a $50 million trial, $100 million trial for sure. It should be done. I'll be, I'll be a, I'll be a guinea pig. This is it. So this is ready to go. A lot of people, as you can tell by Amazon, people don't want to wait. If our government hasn't even started thinking about testing it, people don't want to wait. They're doing it. Our government's a pack of shit. Now, remember, anything that actually works has side effects. You, you asked the question. This is a form of a blood thinner.

• 1:49:38Speaker 01

  So people can have more easy bruising. We tell, I just tell them somebody on the way here, you know, if they start to get nose bleeding or bleeding when they brush their teeth. Whoa. No, yeah. So it's a, it's a natural product, but it's a blood thinner. The spike protein causes blood clotting. So we have, we have an epidemic of blood clotting. So everybody is prone to this. I personally took it, take it, I took it this morning, take it on an empty stomach. And, you know, I had measured my spike antibodies and my spike antibodies, uh, which should be zero, but since I had COVID at least, uh, once proven and probably two other times, my spike antibodies were 2,300. And the published literature suggests under a thousand, you're probably safe. You probably cleared it out, just residual antibodies.

• 1:50:23Speaker 01

  I was 2,300, my ears are ringing. I didn't feel well. I went on spike detox. It took about a year, but I've dropped into 900. Amen, let's go. Now, the average person who's had, taken a vaccine, who's got a trouble, blood clot, heart damage, they're at 11,000. And we commonly see people over 25,000. So people who are in

• 1:50:41Theo Von?

  How can people get checked to see what they're at to know if

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  Blood test, super important. Let's go to LabCorp. You can self-order your blood test. You should do it.

• 1:50:49Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm getting some blood work done this week, actually.

• 1:50:51Speaker 01

  You should do it. Go to LabCorp. Okay, so now go to

• 1:50:58Speaker 01

  Individuals and Patients.

• 1:51:01Speaker 01

  So go to more on-demand tests.

• 1:51:02Theo Von?

  There we go.

• 1:51:04Speaker 01

  And it's going to be a COVID antibody test. Keep going.

• 1:51:08Theo Von?

  There we go.

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  There, click on this. This is the test. It's 69. Okay, stop here. If you, if you get a user ID and password right here, and you pay $69, use your credit card, you pay right here. You, then the orders at LabCorp, you can go in there, get your blood test, and you'll know that night your number. If you're under 1,000, you're safe.

• 1:51:28Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  If you're above 5,000, you probably got the spike protein in your bloodstream.

• 1:51:32Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:51:33Speaker 01

  And if you're over 10,000 or above, you're in trouble.

• 1:51:35Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  You've got a, and it's, it, there's about a correlation about point 8 to point 9 of the antibody to the actual spike protein. Soon, there's going to be a direct spike protein test. And we're working hard with companies to do that. But this is a super useful test. Do you know that the Mayo Clinic refuses to order this test? And so does every other major hospital. If you go and you say, "Doctor, I want a COVID test. I want to assess my spike exposure." They'll say, "I refuse to do it." So LabCorp got so frustrated, they just offer this to the public. And they say, "Pay 69 bucks, you can self-order your COVID test."

• 1:52:08Theo Von?

  Good for them.

• 1:52:09Speaker 01

  We've published a whole spike guide on this, how to interpret it. And, and so like I told you, the average person who took the shot who's in trouble in a paper by Barham and colleagues is 11,000. So my mother-in-law, who's now 93, she lives with us, she took two Pfizer shots because we had to get her out of Canada, which she was older and pandemic and what have you. She's never had a side effect once. No sore arm, nothing. She goes, "I don't know what you're making such a big deal about these COVID shots." Nothing. And I've been watching her carefully. I'm telling you, she has nothing wrong with her from the COVID shots. I said, "I can't believe this." So, and I told you, I was 2,300. I didn't take the shots, but I had the illness. So we checked Mama. You know what she was? 200.

• 1:52:53Speaker 01

  No wonder she's fine. So the point is, there's probably easily 85% of people who took the shots, they got basically a dud. They got next to nothing.

• 1:53:04Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:53:04Speaker 01

  They have no antibodies. They never got much exposure to spike and they're fine.

• 1:53:07Theo Von?

  The, the reading that you're looking for, the number that you're looking for coming back, it's what spike proteins?

• 1:53:11Speaker 01

  It's actually the antibody to the spike protein.

• 1:53:13Theo Von?

  Okay. So you're looking for the antibody number to the spike protein.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Which is.

• 1:53:16Theo Von?

  If you're under a thousand, then you're doing fine.

• 1:53:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:53:19Theo Von?

  If you're 5,000 or up, then you're, you should get checked out.

• 1:53:22Speaker 01

  Well, you need to get going. You need to get going on, at least on the ultimate spike detox.

• 1:53:26Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:53:26Speaker 01

  And, um, you know, once starting to, I've treated thousands of patients. Now I do have to prescribe some drugs in addition for just certain syndromes.

• 1:53:34Theo Von?

  What does that mean?

• 1:53:36Speaker 01

  No, I mean, well, what I mean is if there's heart damage, there's another drug I have to prescribe called Colchicine.

• 1:53:41Theo Von?

  Okay. How do people know if there's heart damage?

• 1:53:43Speaker 01

  Well, then, you know, I've published the, kind of the, the leading paper on this called risk stratification, but in general, it's prompted by symptoms, EKG and, and an ultrasound. I just do that in my office.

• 1:53:56Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:53:57Speaker 01

  Any standard doctor would do that. But the point is, um, some people additionally need prescription drugs, but once people are on the detoxification program, and I've, I, I think I'm the most experienced doctor in the world in treating patients with this condition. I've never seen a new blood clot. I've never seen a cardiac arrest. I've never seen a new, um, problem emerge.

• 1:54:20Theo Von?

  Amen.

• 1:54:20Speaker 01

  All the people who are emerging with problems now, oh, I got a blood clot now. Oh, I've got an advanced cancer now. Oh, I've got some, they have not done the detox.

• 1:54:31Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:54:32Speaker 01

  So important. It's probably the biggest public health message I can give on this show is, you know, if you just want to play it safe and want some healthy supplements anyway, a lot of people take supplements, they just take it empirically.

• 1:54:43Theo Von?

  Take it for a year.

• 1:54:44Speaker 01

  And at least a year and extended use. If you have underlying heart disease or risk for blood clots or.

• 1:54:51Theo Von?

  How many a day?

• 1:54:52Speaker 01

  Uh, two capsules, twice a day, empty stomach.

• 1:54:55Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Best time to take it, I think, is when you get, if you get up at night to use the restroom and your stomach's empty, take it with some water before you go back to bed and just take it on an empty stomach.

• 1:55:03Theo Von?

  Got it.

• 1:55:03Speaker 01

  I saw a woman yesterday. Who has a rare genetic condition, but it impairs it, the nerves.

• 1:55:11Theo Von?

  What is it? She was good at parallel parking? That's just an old joke?

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  No, she's actually, she's very bright. She's a very successful in her job. She comes in. But her genetic condition, the nerves don't allow the capillaries to open and close correctly. And so she's modeled all over with a pattern called levito reticularis. And doctors and nurses know what I'm talking about. And I, I, I saw her walking down the hall because I was getting ready to, you know, have her and her husband come in the office and I just, she just looked so ill. She looked chronically ill. She's 20 years younger than me. And she said, doctor, I have this genetic condition. And when I took the vaccine, it absolutely ravaged me.

• 1:55:55Speaker 01

  And I have intractable headaches. Look at me. Her, her, she looked so terrible. The, the condition is actually called Mitchell's disease. If you'll type in Mitchell's disease. So the point is, but listen to this.

• 1:56:10Speaker 01

  When she walked in my office, I did not know what Mitchell's disease was. She came in, I have, I have Mitchell's disease. So what did I do? A smart doctor. I get to a certain point where I said, listen, you know, I have to have you change into a gown because I'm going to get an EKG. While she's changing in the gown, I go on artificial intelligence and I look up Mitchell's disease. In two seconds, I have the answer. In fact, I even have the genetic mutation for Mitchell's disease now known, which is an SCN9a mutation. And I came back in the office and I do the next part and I said, I said, so you have this, this rare disease. It's a mutation of the SCN9a gene that gates voltage into these nerves.

• 1:56:53Speaker 01

  She goes, you're the first doctor who's ever identified that. And I said, you know, it's just, but the point I'm making is that's the power of artificial intelligence. I could have gotten to it. It would have taken forever.

• 1:57:05Theo Von?

  For sure.

• 1:57:05Speaker 01

  And I got to it. In fact, Before I finished, I ordered the correct genetic test on her, which she's never had before, got her on spike detoxification, ordered the other appropriate labs, and she literally hugged me. She goes, I have never had anybody even paying any attention to me. I'm absolutely miserable at this, and now I can see a pathway out of this.

• 1:57:27Theo Von?

  That's the biggest thing. People want to, yeah, they just want you to hear what's going on with them a lot of times.

• 1:57:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:57:31Theo Von?

  A couple of questions I gotta get answers to, just so we, RFK's been in office for over a year now, right, as Secretary of Health and Human Services? How do you feel like he's done there?

• 1:57:42Speaker 01

  Well, you know, he's a friend. What I'd say is this, is that if we've learned anything, you mentioned trust is low in the government. The government doesn't treat patients. The government's, honestly, you know, not our caretaker. They're not our doctor. And you probably never asked the question, how is Alex Azar doing? You probably know who he was. He was HHS Secretary under Trump. Or how did Beshera do? He was HHS Secretary under Biden. You probably never asked that. The only reason why you'd ask about RFK is because you know him, and he's kind of has a celebrity status. Let me just say constructively what I would do if I was in his job. I think that's probably a better thing to say.

• 1:58:27Theo Von?

  Yeah, I'm not trying to pitch you like saying something negative about.

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  No, but I'll just tell you what I would do. Now, the difference is, I'm a doctor with medical authority.

• 1:58:34Theo Von?

  Right.

• 1:58:35Speaker 01

  That's very different. There's nobody in Washington who has medical authority. There's nobody in Washington that's ever treated a COVID patient, that's ever had an important publication on COVID, ever innovated with a treatment protocol or detoxification. There's no one in Washington with medical authority. Medical authority means I am taking charge and I will handle this medical problem. No one. So if I went to Washington, I would be the only one with medical authority. So what would I do on day one? I would have pulled the COVID vaccines off the market. Just pulled them. Say, sorry, I have medical authority. They're not safe. They're gone.

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  It just, that's what it, it's, it's the call. You just make the call. Yeah. It's not a political issue. This is a drug safety issue. So I pull the COVID vaccines off the market. The next thing I do is I'd use the power of HHS in the office to do some very important things. Virtually every major medical center and medical school gets funding from HHS, not only through CMS for medical care, but also from the National Institutes of Health and sometimes the CDC. Every week I'd be having meetings in Washington, saying, there's a mandatory meeting. Send your dean or your chief medical officer, your chief of medicine, whatever, to Washington,

• 1:59:53Speaker 01

  and we're going to have a review of, you know, lessons learned in the pandemic. Which hospital had the best treatment protocols? Which one didn't? Which had the lowest mortality? Which didn't? Vaccine safety. This is what we're seeing with the vaccines. This is the reason why we're pulling them off the market. In fact, you could actually call Rapid Meetings and say, listen, we're going to go over the data and we want to gain a consensus. Before we tell the public we're pulling them off the market, we want to make sure you got your buy-in on this. And use the power of the meeting to, you know, when you call a meeting, and they happen all the time, they're called Bethesda meetings. In the last two administrations, they, they literally haven't had any. But we go to Washington, you have all kinds of experts from academia, from the FDA, CDC,

• 2:00:36Speaker 01

  NIH, industry, you have public citizens, there's an agenda, you raise some issues, you basically vet them, gain a consensus, drive policy. That's, that's the process. So I, I'd be doing this every week. When it came to diet, for sure I would have done that. I would have had all the Dietetic Society, American Heart Association. And what I would do in that office is I would get, I would get the medical orthodoxy on my side. I wouldn't write policy with just a handful of assistants. Because there's a million doctors out there. There's a half a million nurse practitioners and PAs. There's 5,600 hospitals, 2,200 acute care hospitals. I mean, come on.

• 2:01:20Speaker 01

  The medical industry is too big and too strong. You can't do anything in Washington without the medical community. That's what I would do. And you can make it mandatory. So, listen, if you want to get your CMS funding, your NHS funding, you better show up here. And I would do it for topic after topic. Food dyes, fluoride. I'd go through childhood vaccines. I'd go through the whole thing and just use Washington as a convening. And talk about make America healthy again. If we had somebody with that type of leadership skills and that type of vision, oh, my gosh, healthcare in the United States could be dramatically turned around.

• 2:01:57Theo Von?

  Do you think that the lobbies that are there now and the big pharma and the cabal that's out there now? Do you think it? What's its end goal for us? Does it? Do you feel like?

• 2:02:10Speaker 01

  Well, you know, in our first book, we outline this biopharmaceutical complex. It's powerful. And it has the medical societies with it. Remember, I mentioned the smoke fest and this great problem with smoking among doctors. Do you know the American Medical Association was fully on board with smoking? They were getting tobacco lobby money. And it wasn't until 1978 before they have the first pamphlet come out on this.

• 2:02:39Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 2:02:39Speaker 01

  You know, 28 years after the evidence shows cancer, lung cancer, smoking causes lung cancer.

• 2:02:44Theo Von?

  After everybody made their, made a buck, huh?

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  Yeah. So here, let's just take vaccines as an example. Well, you got the American College of Pediatrics. You've got the American College of Special Geriatricology, American Medical Association. I mean, this is a freight train. They all are fully in lockstep on these vaccines. And so. The lobby is, is very tight and they're told, I guarantee, uh, non-physicians in Washington are, are told, don't you flinch on these vaccines. If you do, polio is coming back.

• 2:03:19Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:03:19Speaker 01

  And it's going to be on you.

• 2:03:21Theo Von?

  Well, I'll tell you a story. This, this is one, one reason why this stuff like is always been interesting to me is because I grew up in a community where Tulane University, they had their primate testing facility center in our town.

• 2:03:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:03:32Theo Von?

  And it's where they helped develop the polio vaccine, right? And they found out at one point that the vaccine that they created was gonna also, uh, could cause cervical cancer in women and they, but they'd already made so much of the vaccine that they still gave it out to women. They, you know what I'm saying? Like, so I think I was like, literally grew up in this environment where there was always these like weird mysteries and things going on. Um, uh, Lee Harvey Oswald went to the same middle school that I went to, which was kind of wild. Um, so there was just always like this, this allure in our area of like, uh, I don't know if it's conspiracy, because now every conspiracy theory ends up being right about two years later.

• 2:04:13Speaker 01

  Well, you probably read the book, right? That Mr. Mary.

• 2:04:15Theo Von?

  Oh, Dr. Mary's Monkeys?

• 2:04:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:16Theo Von?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that took place, you know, the.

• 2:04:19Theo Von?

  But it was just interesting to me that, because all, all I'd heard about was this cures polio, but then also it helps cause cervi, it can contribute to causing cervical cancer in women. So it just made me think out of the gate, like, how reliable is what we're doing? That's something I've always asked.

• 2:04:34Speaker 01

  We should, you know, always trust but verify, understand what we're doing now, um, is very, very likely to change in the future. Uh, do you know, most of the drugs I use now didn't even exist when I went to medical school.

• 2:04:48Theo Von?

  Wow.

• 2:04:49Speaker 01

  So we, we get rid of old drugs. We use newer, better drugs. You know, we should have constant drug improvement. We should have constant vaccine improvement. We talked about the measles vaccine.

• 2:04:58Theo Von?

  That's a great point.

• 2:04:58Speaker 01

  The measles vaccine has not been improved since the 1960s. It's like, what?

• 2:05:04Theo Von?

  That's crazy, dude.

• 2:05:05Speaker 01

  It's nuts. I mean, there's been no improvement. And one of the reasons why is the 1986 Vaccine Injury Compensation Act, which gave immunity to any liability to the companies.

• 2:05:14Theo Von?

  That's why they couldn't face any lawsuits, right?

• 2:05:16Speaker 01

  Right. So the companies have no incentives to make better, safer products.

• 2:05:20Theo Von?

  And not only not to make better ones, but to save probably money on whatever they're currently manufacturing anyway, because that's the way that business works a lot of times. Why do you think that no politician wants to tackle Big Pharma for real? You know, it's always this thing that's kicked around, but it's, I mean, it's, it's, but no one really does anything.

• 2:05:41Speaker 01

  Well, remember, they don't want to touch healthcare. Remember, no politician wants to touch Medicare, Medicaid,

• 2:05:49Speaker 01

  drug companies, Big Pharma, vaccines. Why don't they want to touch healthcare? The reason being is that healthcare is about 17% of the gross domestic national product. We spend more on GDP in healthcare than any other country. It's big business. Do you know that hospitals are the leading employer in most middle and smaller towns? Healthcare is the leading employer of single mothers. Healthcare is so big. We spend so much money taking care of each other. It's literally, it's a behemoth. And people are afraid to touch it because it's such a political hot potato. You do anything that looks like you're anti-healthcare,

• 2:06:32Speaker 01

  anti-vaccine, anti-drug company, anti-nurses or anti-doctors, you're going down. You're not getting re-elected.

• 2:06:38Theo Von?

  I mean, and if you're a regular person, it's like you won't even work. If 17% of our GDP is going through that canal, it's like, a lot of people would be afraid to speak up because they wouldn't even be able to work.

• 2:06:47Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm wrong. It's 18.5%.

• 2:06:50Theo Von?

  Healthcare spending accounted for about 18.5% of US GDP in 2025. If we can't change it, how do you avoid Big Pharma, do you feel like?

• 2:06:59Speaker 01

  You know,

• 2:07:02Speaker 01

  I've been impressed in the last six years and I'm constantly collaborating and I've always done this my entire life. So I'm literally out of the medical orthodoxy now. I used to, I was, I was the named endowed professor at lecture at Harvard in 2019. Harvard hasn't invited me back. I was a full professor of medicine where I was in Dallas, Texas. So I'm now actually working with naturopathic and holistic and other doctors. And one of them has particularly impressed me where he said, listen, he said, it's nature first, drugs last. So try to find natural solutions. And if you're willing to do this,

• 2:07:44Speaker 01

  that means you probably will be taking more supplements or vitamins that you, than you normally would. It probably means you'll pay more attention to diet and exercise than you normally would, but you are intentionally not going to have a reliance on drugs.

• 2:08:00Theo Von?

  Yeah. Yeah. And have some responsibility for ourselves. Yeah. I mean, it almost did. I get to the point in my life where it feels gross even like, I mean recreational drugs. Now that's different, but if I just have to take a pill for something or it just, it feels so cringe to me now, even opening a pill bottle. It just feels like it has such a sour taste in the world, I think for a lot of people these days.

• 2:08:25Speaker 01

  But.

• 2:08:26Theo Von?

  But it also saves people's lives. There's also a lot of great medicines out there.

• 2:08:29Speaker 01

  Well, let me ask you this. What percent of people make it to age 80 perfectly healthy without relying on any drugs?

• 2:08:39Theo Von?

  Probably none.

• 2:08:40Speaker 01

  About 10%. It's possible.

• 2:08:42Theo Von?

  Okay.

• 2:08:43Speaker 01

  It's possible. I'm not one of them. I'm 63 years old. I've had high blood pressure since age 25. I mean, life threatening high blood pressure. I can't live without taking a blood pressure pill every day. So I'm not going to make it.

• 2:08:55Theo Von?

  This helps.

• 2:08:56Speaker 01

  I'm not going to make it. Yeah. Well, I take, I take some natural products as well. But the point is. I have people come to my office saying, Doc, I don't want to take any medicines. I had something like that yesterday. He's already had a heart attack. He has stents in his cornea. I said, well, we're going to do the best we can with the natural products, but you know, I got to tell you, if I was you, I would take the prescription drugs. A lot of prescription drugs are natural anyway, and they're just, they're just in purified form. Like aspirin is over the counter, but it's a drug. It's derived from the bark of birch trees. Hydroxychloroquine, which we used in COVID, but we used for malaria and for rheumatoid arthritis, that's derived from the bark of a chinchona tree. Ivermectin

• 2:09:38Speaker 01

  is derived from the soil in Japan. It's produced by another organism.

• 2:09:43Theo Von?

  Why those two drugs specifically hydrochloroquine and ivermectin got such a bad rap. If you read Bobby Kennedy's book about Dr. Fauci, it kind of, it lays out how some of that was sort of like pre-planned, how it was, how it was lobbied against in certain environments. It was taken off the shelves. When you look back on those two medicines, what are your thoughts about them?

• 2:10:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that those who really, really were involved in pandemic planning, even in the Johns Hopkins 2017 sparse pandemic training exercise, there was a drug proposed, and it was going to generate confusion. And in the planning exercise, they killed the drug to feature the vaccine. That was in 2017 in the open. I think it was essentially in people's minds to say, listen, don't allow any drugs to play a role here. We want to feature mass vaccination as the principle. So hydroxychloroquine killed in the first

• 2:10:48Speaker 01

  year. Second year, ivermectin killed. We had IV monoclonal antibodies, high tech, Operation Warp Speed. They were safe and effective. I used them like crazy. They were taken off the market rapidly. Six in a row taken off the market. Colchicine, super useful, again, natural product, but it's a prescription drug. It was absolutely suppressed and crushed. Corticosteroids were, were great confusion over those. They were suppressed. Vitamin

• 2:11:13Speaker 01

  Crushed Eric Nipooty, who ran a company, the Federal Trade Commission sued him and his company personally. Nasal sprays and gargles, they worked very well in reducing the viral burden. Nate Jones at Clear personally and his company was sued by the Federal Trade Commission. He was crushed.

• 2:11:31Theo Von?

  For what? What was he crushed for?

• 2:11:33Speaker 01

  He was crushed.

• 2:11:34Theo Von?

  For creating them?

• 2:11:35Speaker 01

  He was crushed for proposing that we could use them.

• 2:11:38Theo Von?

  Right.

• 2:11:39Speaker 01

  In the pandemic.

• 2:11:40Theo Von?

  People forget so quick. Remember, have you mentioned anything? Everybody was against you. It could be your neighbor. It was like the news channels, this guy disagrees.

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  Except the vaccine. You weren't crushed if you said the vaccine's the answer.

• 2:11:54Theo Von?

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:11:55Speaker 01

  But it's interesting. That was in the minds of people. So nasal sprays and gargles, vitamin D, other forms of nutraceuticals, hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, monoclonal antibodies, colchicine, corticosteroids. The entire McCullough protocol was crushed. It didn't matter if it was cheap, generic, or expensive, high-tech. That told you there was some type of delusion about the vaccine being the only approach. Remember Paxlovid, the oral drug that comes in, comes in two years into the pandemic. In the first year, all we really had was McCullough protocol and hydroxychloroquine. The second year, we really had McCullough protocol and ivermectin.

• 2:12:36Speaker 01

  So it got so bad, the FDA put out, you know, flagrantly false information about ivermectin on its website and on Twitter, all over. Misleading information. The FDA is sued by three doctors. And this goes through court proceedings. And finally, the FDA says, we'll take down our false information. Why is our FDA putting out false information on ivermectin? It was hurting people. I'm telling you, as a doctor, and again, I have the authority to make this call. I've used it. I've looked at all the clinical trials. I understand clinical trials very well. I'm telling you, ivermectin is safe and effective.

• 2:13:13Theo Von?

  I mean, I've done a lot of drugs over the years. I'd do a little probably.

• 2:13:20Theo Von?

  Was there anybody who was immune to like any genetics or demographics or cultures that were immune to COVID-19?

• 2:13:29Speaker 01

  There were a few papers indicating that children were largely immune, that they had a lot of cross exposure with other coronaviruses, almost no serious cases in children. There was an occasional child with cystic fibrosis or some problem who got really sick, but children largely immune. Schoolteachers, because they have so much, there was no significant spread of serious illness from children to the schoolteachers.

• 2:13:53Theo Von?

  But no, was there any like, was there any like a Norwegian person couldn't get it? Or was there like a, um, somebody from Zimbabwe? Like, was there any like, uh?

• 2:14:01Speaker 01

  There's one adult group, you're gonna laugh, but there's one adult group, no specific ethnicity or culture, but you're gonna laugh, smokers.

• 2:14:09Theo Von?

  Smokers couldn't get it?

• 2:14:11Speaker 01

  They got it, very mild cases. And they don't get long COVID.

• 2:14:17Theo Von?

  Hmm.

• 2:14:18Speaker 01

  You know why?

• 2:14:19Theo Von?

  Why?

• 2:14:20Speaker 01

  Because smokers maintain a level of nicotine in the bloodstream. They actually smoke frequently enough, blood nicotine blocks the spike protein as it's interfacing with the nicotinic acetylcholine receptor. Smoking blocks the spike protein. It's amazing. I thought smokers were gonna go down.

• 2:14:41Theo Von?

  Well, who knows now then, all those years of this, all those smoking advertisements ended up probably saving people's lives 40 years later.

• 2:14:48Speaker 01

  Well, you know what? We use now use, we use a nicotine, um, patch, seven milligram patch even in non-smokers to help them through long COVID. We use it in addition to the McCullough protocol.

• 2:14:59Theo Von?

  I've seen people recommend that people should just be on nicotine of like a take a nicotine patch. Do you think that's a good idea, on a regular basis? Or is that just?

• 2:15:05Speaker 01

  I think if they have long COVID, I recommended to a patient yesterday, if they have long COVID, um, uh, symptoms, nicotine, don't forget, is a nootropic. A nootropic, um, is a drug that does make the brain function more effectively. It's, it's a methyloxanthine, it's related to caffeine. Caffeine does the same thing, it's a nootropic. So some people use nicotine little packets or whatever. I grew up in Texas, so you know, there were kids were dip snuffing.

• 2:15:33Theo Von?

  Oh, yeah, we used to chew that plug tobacco.

• 2:15:35Speaker 01

  Right. My dad was a chain smoker, but nicotine itself is not, it's addictive, but it's not harmful to the human body. And so is, by the way, caffeine's addictive, but it's not harmful to human body. What's harmful is the tars that's in tobacco and smoke. So you might even use the dip snuff, that's related to oral cancer. But now the purified forms of nicotine, my understanding is that they're safe. The nicotine patches are perfectly safe. And there you go.

• 2:16:03Theo Von?

  Nicotine is a cognitive enhancer. Um, right before we started, I heard you say that the past like six years have been very exciting in your life, right? Cause it seems like, does it feel like now that you have more of a sense of purpose? That you've kind of been put like at the pinnacle of this, um, like being somebody to raise their hand about, hey, is this safe for us? Like, um, because you're, so often people look back, like, you look like at, at movies that, that like champion a certain person. And at first that person was ridiculed and ostracized, you know? That's always the story, but it's so crazy. And then at the end, they're the champion. And we liled them as being like, thank God they braved the rapids and they did this.

• 2:16:48Theo Von?

  But then we'll see somebody in our present lives who are trying to do the same thing. And whether they're right or wrong, sometimes it's like, I'm always like, that person's trying to do something different, right? Like that person is speaking against the grain. How, don't you think of all the movies that we've seen where it's like, that's the beginning of the story? So I know that like the last six years of your life have been wild. You said that. What did you mean when you said that? And if you just felt a lot more of a sense of purpose? Do you feel more support now than you did in the beginning? Tell me, tell me some of that before we get you out of here. And thank you so much.

• 2:17:26Speaker 01

  The last six years of my life called me to essentially adopt an entirely new area of medicine, which is infectious diseases. And, you know, specifically the pandemic and everything about it.

• 2:17:40Speaker 01

  But is also, in a sense, thrust me into the public limelight as a figure. And you'll be the first one to tell people, I didn't ask to come on your show. No, no, not at all. And I didn't ask. We were excited. I didn't ask to go on Joe Rogan, and I didn't ask to go testify in the US Senate. I'm being called to play a role in this enormous controversy that's unfolded in the world. And sadly, people did die of the infection, and even more people have died of the vaccine now. And we still haven't seen this whole story unfold.

• 2:18:19Speaker 01

  There seems to be a group think, a madness that we saw evolve regarding fear, masks, lockdowns, hand sanitizer, vaccines. We don't know what's coming next, but I can tell you this infectious group think, it does occur among doctors and nurses and healthcare professionals. I think they're very susceptible to this. Something has happened in the human mind, and we need to have a lot more discussion on this. We have to be able to call meetings and have people come together. If our government can do anything, they just have to bring together the orthodoxy,

• 2:19:03Speaker 01

  those who are the innovators and the thinkers outside. Remember in the time of a controversy and a crisis, the answer never comes from within the establishment. Never, never. Previously, the establishment for centuries and centuries was the church. And when there's a crisis, the church didn't provide a solution. You can tell governments all over the world did not provide a solution Not a chance. to the pandemic. But individuals did. Unfortunately, Wellness Company, we got like-minded people. We formed an entire company. We've been very successful. But here we are. So I must have been called to play a role in this time of great controversy. It's been so great to be on your show.

• 2:19:44Theo Von?

  Yeah, Dr. McCullough, thank you so much. And thank you so much for just being brave enough to speak up and to think out loud. Like, that's what we, you know, it's like, so many times during this conversation, I've just realized like, how we slowly just get like molded into the, like, kind of folded into the batter. We don't even realize it, you know? So, um, yeah, thank you so much for joining us today. Uh, yep, I'm gonna grab something from the wellness company. And, um, yeah, I'd love to chat again sometime and see how things are going.

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  All right. Thanks for having me.

• 2:20:38Theo Von?

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