The Hollywood Hoodwinker w/ Lauren Lapkus (Fraud Friday)

This week, Laci is joined by actress, director, & podcaster Lauren Lapkus (Between Two Ferns: The Movie, Threedom) to cover the Hollywood scam artist and master impressionist who lured unsuspecting professionals halfway around the world before leaving them high and dry. Stay Schemin’! (Originally released 10/14/2019) CON-gregation, keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Lauren Lapkus: @laurenlapkus Research Assistant: Sharilyn Vera Sources: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/hunting-con-queen-hollywood-1125932 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fbi-seeks-more-victims-hollywood-con-artist-marvel-executive-targeted-1137712 https://www.npr.org/2019/07/17/742818984/the-story-of-a-scam-that-lured-hollywood-professionals-to-indonesia?t=1564239220681 https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-49001504 https://caymannewsservice.com/2019/07/status-scammer-guilty/ https://www.caymancompass.com/2019/07/10/10-years-for-delilah-who-orchestrated-1-9-million-scam/ https://caymannewsservice.com/2016/02/scammer-took-20k-in-pr-con/

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• 2:22Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall. And as always, stay schemin'.

• 3:04Laci Mosley?

  That's the thing about scams, sometimes they work. You know, you just gotta keep sinking your money into every single one.

• 3:09Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 3:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I missed out on the Bitcoin scam. I'm gonna come with my own coin, though. Well, we're gonna call this coin, Cody, a cybercoin. That sounds like it already.

• 3:18Speaker 04

  The cybercoin?

• 3:19Laci Mosley?

  Intercoin, like internet and then coin.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  A webcoin.

• 3:23Laci Mosley?

  Webcoin. I like webcoin. All right, guys, Lauren and I are coming out with webcoin.

• 3:28Speaker 04

  Webbucks.

• 3:28Laci Mosley?

  Webbucks. Webbucks definitely sounds fake.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  With an X at the end, too.

• 3:34Laci Mosley?

  B U S X. Webbucks. Oh, God, if you guys buy webbucks, y'all are really fools. Uh, what's up, congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And I'm here with an amazing guest, guys. I'm so excited to have her on the show. She's super talented, she's a writer, she's a director, she's an actress, she's a comedian. You know her, you love her, Ms. Lauren Lapkus.

• 3:55Speaker 04

  Hi, I'm so excited to be here.

• 3:57Laci Mosley?

  I'm so happy you're here.

• 3:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

• 3:59Laci Mosley?

  So, wait, Lauren, what is your relationship with scams?

• 4:02Speaker 04

  Okay, so I was thinking about this, um, as I knew I was coming here. And I was like, there's one scam that pops out of my head. It's very stupid and small. But I was like, that was the first thing I thought of, which is my family went to Italy when I was in high school on like a family trip. And we, there are all these people on the street, like trying to trick tourists with shit all the time. Like selling you stupid. Shit that nobody wants and you know, whatever. We fully fell for one. There was one where it was like this man had a boombox set up and it's so stupid. He had these little like paper like imitate, you know, like knockoff like Mickey and Minnie characters that were made of paper with like yarn legs and like little feet. And they were dancing to the music like, like one of those like eighties flowers thing. You know what I mean?

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Like where it's like, just kind of like the beat is making it move. And we loved them. So we bought them.

• 4:51Laci Mosley?

  You thought this was gonna work at home?

• 4:52Speaker 04

  Yes. And then I got home and realized they were just yarn and paper. Like it was like there's, he had a string that he was pulling. And we eventually like saw more people doing it around town after we bought them. We're like, looked at and saw the string this time and we're like, we're so stupid.

• 5:04Laci Mosley?

  He got you. Wait, can I ask where, do you remember where you encountered him?

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Um, just on the street. Like it was just like, he was just, you know.

• 5:11Laci Mosley?

  Was it near your hotel or where you were eating?

• 5:13Speaker 04

  I don't know, but I'm sure it was in a very touristy destination. It was mainly just super touristy areas.

• 5:18Laci Mosley?

  Cause he got y'all.

• 5:19Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh yeah. We were fully, we were fully scammed. It was very stupid. Um, but then the bigger scam that I've recently been a part of.

• 5:27Laci Mosley?

  This is where I met you.

• 5:28Speaker 04

  How we met.

• 5:28Laci Mosley?

  Which is kind of amazing because our origin story as friends is a scam. Oh my gosh. It's really like sent us into like, now we're like sister wives.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  I know. We've been through hell and Zach. Um, we, so just to be as vague as possible.

• 5:41Laci Mosley?

  So vague.

• 5:42Speaker 04

  Uh, we signed on to do, um, like an indie movie, a low budget indie movie.

• 5:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we did.

• 5:48Speaker 04

  And.

• 5:49Laci Mosley?

  With a great script. It was a really funny script.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Everything seemed on the up and up.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  That was the hook.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it's how we all were, were, uh, taken by this because we truly like, there was so much good information surrounding this. It felt like everything was like written, the script was written well, the like pitch about the script was written well, like where it was like, oh, it's like these people and so and so is involved. And we have this set up and, and these people have said yes, and blah, blah, blah. And we got there and, uh, it just was not.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  We were on an island.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  We were on an island, first of all.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  We had to take two planes to get to where we went.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  I had to take a boat. Did you have to take a boat?

• 6:25Laci Mosley?

  We did take a boat. We flew out.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  I was gonna say because I felt like I was mistreated because.

• 6:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we took a ferry in. No, we, you were saying you were mistreated because you took the ferry?

• 6:34Speaker 04

  I was like, you got the plane? Okay.

• 6:36Laci Mosley?

  Only one person got a plane.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  And we know. And that was a celebrity. Yes. So it's completely unfair.

• 6:44Laci Mosley?

  That was a whole thing, too. It was a hierarchy. Okay, so let me try to like break this down in simplest terms. We basically thought we were gonna shoot a movie. Scams, timing is really important. So this was like a low budget movie with a really great script. And the reason that we all were freeze, cuz like it's feature season, it's the summer. So it's not really like for actors, like it's a little bit of a slower time. Like August is a slower time, like the summer in general, like there's movies, you go shoot a movie, you come back, whatever. And then there comes episodic, and then there comes pilot season. So we're like kind of in a, you know, like a chill place where most people are like, ah, I'll take a little random movie.

• 7:17Speaker 04

  It sounded like a vacation.

• 7:18Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  Like it was on an island. It was like, almost like a, like a retreat sort of experience is how it was kind of pitched. Like there, it's this sort of luxury cabin situation. And it sounded really appealing to all of us.

• 7:31Laci Mosley?

  Be wary of islands. This was after Fire Fest. We really shouldn't have questioned going to an island at all.

• 7:36Speaker 04

  Yes, an island you've never heard of. It's like, what are you doing?

• 7:39Laci Mosley?

  If anyone asks you to go to an island, y'all, that's step number one. You need to start Googling. Start Googling and also like, um, talk to your friends. Which is what we should have done.

• 7:50Speaker 04

  We should have done that.

• 7:50Laci Mosley?

  Um, but yeah, so basically this person who created this movie, um, perfect scammer. They start, so they wrote a script with someone else. And then they decided to make the script without the person that they wrote it with, which is illegal.

• 8:07Speaker 04

  Yes. And remove their name from the script.

• 8:10Laci Mosley?

  And remove their name from the script.

• 8:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:12Laci Mosley?

  Steal the script and then they, their family was like super rich, which like as a scammer, you need resources.

• 8:17Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:18Laci Mosley?

  So this was the perfect setup because

• 8:20Speaker 04

  Use what you have.

• 8:20Laci Mosley?

  This person had resources.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay? So we get to this island, um, and we start shooting and things are just a little off.

• 8:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:29Laci Mosley?

  Um, but the person had gotten like a huge recommendation from a huge production company, or so we thought.

• 8:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, and we later found out that that just wasn't true. It was, and that the person had said that this, this, uh, you know, impressive production company was on board for it. We later discovered that they, the, the creator of the film had actually like just won a contest.

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 04

  Through that company.

• 8:52Laci Mosley?

  And it was like Like cropping, listen, with the day is a Photoshop and everybody's got iMovie on their phone.

• 8:58Speaker 04

  I know, so many things were cropped and edited. I mean, I'm truly like, I'm impressed to the level of like, wow, you went all the way to every little thing we could possibly Google and made it look a certain way.

• 9:09Laci Mosley?

  If you get on Adobe Photoshop for a scam, listen, I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, but that I think was the, that was the craziest scam I've ever been a part of because I, I felt so swindled and so like, I had no clue what was happening in my own life. Like I went, I like took a step back and I was like, how did this happen to me? Like, I feel like I should be smarter than this.

• 9:31Laci Mosley?

  Existential crisis.

• 9:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, like I was like, I should have a better like red flag thing, like, you know, coming up for me where I'm like, oh, this seems bad. Like, I just didn't listen to any, any of my feelings.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  And that's like, what's a part of scams? Like, people think sometimes if you're in a scam that you're stupid or you're gullible, but a lot of times it's actually about what we call our Despo meter. How desperate are you?

• 9:52Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 9:53Laci Mosley?

  And if you're, not that we were desperate, but if you were like willing to buy into something.

• 9:57Speaker 04

  Sounds fun.

• 9:58Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 9:58Speaker 04

  No. Yeah, actually, you're reminding me of another thing that happened to me when I was, um, I was like 22 and I had just moved to New York and I had gone home to visit my family and I came back through the airport. And you know how they have like those signs where it's like, never take a ride from someone?

• 10:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  I like didn't see that or didn't know that was a thing.

• 10:17Laci Mosley?

  Because I didn't see the sign, I was willing to take a ride from anyone.

• 10:20Speaker 04

  Truly, it was, it was the kind of thing where every second of it was terrifying and I was going, don't do this, don't do this. And I kept doing everything that I was telling myself not to do. And this man comes up to me and he's like taxi. And I was like, yeah. And then he just grabbed my suitcase and started walking ahead of me. And so I was like, oh, so I started following him. We passed, I mean, truly, I'm like, I was so dumb and young and stupid. It was just like, wow.

• 10:42Laci Mosley?

  Robbery? I rob you now?

• 10:44Speaker 04

  I'm going with you, Sarah. Like, it was truly, I started following him and then we walked past the taxi line where I was going, I, I should get.

• 10:51Laci Mosley?

  Lauren, this is taken.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. It could have easily ended really horribly.

• 10:55Laci Mosley?

  Do you have a father who will neck chop for you until he dies?

• 10:59Speaker 04

  He might. It hasn't come to that. But I like followed this guy. We passed the taxi line. Get into his SUV.

• 11:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  And as he's putting my suitcase in, I'm going, I should just take it and then say no, and then just, and I'm like thinking all of this. I get in, I only had a razor phone, because it was back then, and like, I had no way to like.

• 11:17Laci Mosley?

  That's hot.

• 11:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, it was really cool. I had a pink, hot pink razor.

• 11:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I couldn't get a razor. Okay, I'm chilling. I had one of the saddest flip flops. It looked like I sold drugs. I wanted a razor so bad.

• 11:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, my dad, he did pay $200 for my hot pink razor, and I thank him every day. And just the whole ride home, I was terrified, and I was trying to go on my maps on my razor, which was like going to like a website, like to like MapQuest. And I didn't know where I was or what was happening, and the whole, and he was like, starting to say stuff to me that was very scary to me, like he was like, challenging me and like wanting to like kind of make me say things that would offend him. It was like turning into this negative vibe where I was like, I feel like I shouldn't talk, because I'm afraid I'm gonna say the wrong thing. And eventually he did drop me at my house, but then he charged me like way more than a cab would ever charge, and I did have the cash, so I just gave it to him, and then I.

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's paying for your life.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I just ran into my apartment and cried. It was scary.

• 12:07Laci Mosley?

  He was like, look, I decided not to murder you. And then you're like, thank you so much, sir. How much money would you like?

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was picturing like jumping out of the, the car and like just roll, I'd be like, I don't need my bag, like. Have you ever been in a situation like that where you're like trying, like, and, because now we have Uber and stuff, and I feel like there are so many situations where you're in an Uber as a woman, where it's just like, this feels probably bad.

• 12:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:28Laci Mosley?

  And that's when I, yeah, the survival skills, they totally kick in. I'm trying to do whatever to make this man not try to murder me.

• 12:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:35Laci Mosley?

  Which is sad that that's a requirement, but it's like, what do I have my bag of? Please don't murder me today.

• 12:40Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yeah.

• 12:41Laci Mosley?

  Cash, and then I got a photo of my family that loves me.

• 12:46Laci Mosley?

  What can I tell this man?

• 12:47Speaker 04

  Do you carry like, uh, protective things? Like, you know, like those like keychains that have like, like eye gougers and shit? Like, I don't have anything like that. I feel like I should.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  I see those, but those are too direct combat for me. Like, I'm never gonna get close enough to an assailant to jab their eyes out.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that's a good point, yeah.

• 13:03Laci Mosley?

  I have pepper spray, though, and I have practiced where you, you look away, you spray. You look away, you spray.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  Oh, good.

• 13:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because if you look at them while you're spraying, and it's a downwind, next thing you know, you in the trunk, you know what I mean? And if I was in the trunk, because I pepper sprayed myself, I'd just be like, well, damn, I deserve this.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true. At that point, it's your fault, yeah.

• 13:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man. I'm glad that you made it out with your life.

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Me too, yeah. Yeah, both situations, actually. Yeah, we had to escape that island on a little, a tiny little plane where I was like, I actually felt nervous about flying and I usually don't, but I've never been on a plane that small. I was like, this feels, um...

• 13:39Laci Mosley?

  I was having like a Leah flashbacks. Anytime I get on a small plane, I think about...

• 13:43Speaker 04

  I know, and we're all actors. It's like, oh, this is a huge, like, we'd all die at once.

• 13:47Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  It'd be a story.

• 13:49Laci Mosley?

  God, it wouldn't even run that long. Fucking Trump, man. I like, we would have had like murals and fucking candlelit shit and all types of stuff. If Trump wasn't president nowadays, you can't even be a sad story for that long.

• 14:01Speaker 04

  I know, I know. It all moves way too fast.

• 14:03Laci Mosley?

  God damn. Our candlelight vision will be blown out over after two hours. I'm like, move over, bitch. We got, we got new people to talk about. Trump told all the black people to go back to Africa. He's providing boats, so we can't talk about you dead, but just no more.

• 14:16Speaker 04

  I hate him more than anyone ever.

• 14:18Laci Mosley?

  Oh, god, I don't even mention him. It's sad that like, usually a president is a wealth of jokes, but we don't really get much out of him because everyone's just so fucking sad.

• 14:26Speaker 04

  I know, I know. I would just like him to peacefully pass naturally.

• 14:29Laci Mosley?

  Oh, man, he's gonna live forever. When you evil, you be living a long time. That's why I'm gonna switch over to being evil when I'm like 45. I'm gonna switch over to being evil because you be living. My un Charlene has outlived all of my grandparents. She is evil as fuck. Like, I used to have to clean her house when I was a kid because she was dirty. Um, she never gonna hear this. She don't understand podcasts. Um, but like, she was evil as fuck. I remember her telling me something about putting a fork in an electrical socket, like just...

• 14:57Speaker 04

  Like telling you to do it?

• 14:58Laci Mosley?

  No, you know what it was? She was doing it. She was trying to fix an electrical socket with a fork. And I was like, un Charlene, like, that's a bad idea. You gonna get electric. She was, you don't know what the fuck you talking about.

• 15:07Speaker 04

  But she survived it.

• 15:08Laci Mosley?

  Because she evil. Oh, my gosh, she's so evil.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  Oh, wow, I think that is true.

• 15:13Laci Mosley?

  But I'm gonna get like her because nice people be dying. Like, when you be worrying about people and stressing and caring about people, that's when your blood pressure go up.

• 15:19Speaker 04

  That is true. Okay, let's all care less. Yes, caring is the cause of strokes. You heard it here first. Scammers live a long time.

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• 17:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, well, I have to talk to you about what's hot and fraud.

• 17:27Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 17:28Laci Mosley?

  So this is a segment of the show where we really try to protect our listeners from scams that are current and happening. Because if it's not me calling, then I don't want you guys to participate, okay? But if I try to scam you, please know.

• 17:39Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, go along with it.

• 17:40Laci Mosley?

  It's legitimate.

• 17:43Laci Mosley?

  But what's hot and fraud this week is student loan debt relief.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 17:48Laci Mosley?

  Which, so, companies are luring people with false promises to pay down student loans with lower monthly payments and interest.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  That's a good scam.

• 17:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes. It is an excellent scam because millennials have so much student loan debt that we're like, what do you want to consolidate? Y'all gonna do a bundle? Okay.

• 18:06Speaker 04

  And it's such a topic right now, like how people have been so fucked by student loans.

• 18:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So, so these companies, like, this is the perfect scam because there's a need, there's a want, there's a desperation, and the timing's perfect.

• 18:18Speaker 04

  Wait, what was that term that you'd use? The Despo?

• 18:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the Despo meter. How desperate are you?

• 18:22Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 18:23Laci Mosley?

  And on a scale of desperate for student loans, everybody's pretty high. Everyone's like an eight or a nine, you know? We'll try some things. So, basically, this one woman, Lisa D., says, "I was one of these people that fell for this. Four years later, the company I went through is under investigation. I recently called my student loan provider and spoke to them about my situation. Although they can't do anything, I did find out that this company got me for $17,000. Instead of paying my loans down, I now have more debt. Be careful, people. I didn't know better at the time."

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, wait, so are they just like, your loan is still with the original company that it's with? And then they're just like, we'll help you. And they're like, just give us $17,000, we'll pay it off. And then they're actually just keeping the money?

• 19:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 19:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 19:07Speaker 04

  That is so sad.

• 19:08Laci Mosley?

  I know. That's a scam that I just can't get behind because millennials are already in so much debt. You're just gonna put us in more debt?

• 19:14Speaker 04

  No, it's really awful. I mean, I still have friends who are paying off their student loans, and they have barely cracked into them because, like, the interest is so high that over the years, it just keeps, it, like, stays level.

• 19:25Laci Mosley?

  I was doing that scam where when they called me, because I definitely have student loans numbered in my phone, so I know when they call, I have the number saved.

• 19:32Speaker 04

  Yeah. Do they call from the same number every time?

• 19:35Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. I had, well, depending on what your loan is. But I had a small loan for books and for housing, because I had free tuition, which was so dumb. I could've just got a job. My parents were like, don't get a job. I'm like, well, hello, these loans? They're like, you on TV? I'm like, but you said you was gonna pay for these. I don't care, come pay for these. I know I sound super spoiled, but.

• 19:55Speaker 04

  No, I know what you mean.

• 19:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but as soon, so I used to do that thing where you would just defer it. Like, they would call me and I'd be like, hey, guys, I'm an actor. Um, I don't have, I have zero monies for y'all. And they'd be like, okay, well, as long as you're not making anything. Like, they laughed once, they're like, haha, okay, girl, we get it, you don't got no money. Um, and so, as long as I didn't have any money, but then as soon as I started making money, ooh, they called real quick. It's all auto, auto debit now, every month.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  I'm sure, yeah.

• 20:21Laci Mosley?

  They're getting theirs.

• 20:22Speaker 04

  I had a friend who got all, like, she did her, her tuition on student loans, and then also was like, fully shopping on credit cards all through college. So it like, was a student loan, like, her, her debt has, was so huge from college, because she was like, paying for everything on credit cards. And then just had all of that debt too, to pay off for like, years to come. Yeah.

• 20:42Laci Mosley?

  I do not recommend it, guys. Debt is a real stifling thing. Also, it's stifling, if you have debt, I'm not gonna marry you.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, I mean, I might.

• 20:53Laci Mosley?

  Because you married somebody with debt, then you're, you're already married.

• 20:55Speaker 04

  I know, but I've done it twice, I've been married twice.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  Like, I think I'll just keep getting married forever.

• 21:01Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I always talk about my first marriage and how I wanted to be, and then my second marriage, and my third, you know what I mean, like?

• 21:07Speaker 04

  It's good, it's good to be practical with that. Like, you might have a first one that doesn't end up being the one.

• 21:11Laci Mosley?

  But I'm hoping that mine are where my spouse dies. That way, I don't have to feel bad for.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  No, yeah, that's, that's the best way, probably, because then it's just like, that ended naturally.

• 21:19Laci Mosley?

  Right. That's what happened to my grandpa. My grandpa was married three times. He was married once for 20 years.

• 21:25Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 21:25Laci Mosley?

  Then she died, then he was married for 17 years, to my grandma, then she died.

• 21:29Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 21:30Laci Mosley?

  Then he, just, he recently passed away, but I was like, and he was married for five more years after that. I was like, yes, Papa, you had all these lives.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is like a whole new life.

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it was very respectable, because he never got divorced.

• 21:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he said till death, and then he meant it. That's how I'm gonna be.

• 21:47Laci Mosley?

  Be my first husband.

• 21:49Speaker 04

  Just be ready to die, I guess. That sounds really.

• 21:51Laci Mosley?

  I mean, this would be of natural causes. You're going to die naturally.

• 21:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was meant to be.

• 21:57Laci Mosley?

  But you're not happy because you're with me.

• 22:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but so this one really hurts me, guys. If anybody's offering to consolidate your loans, please think twice about it, or ask questions, or Google, or contact your actual agencies that you got the loans from to see what reputable companies are doing it, because you don't want to be in this situation where you just, and I get so much fucking mail about consolidate your debt.

• 22:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:20Laci Mosley?

  Blah, blah, blah. Like, they're out there, man.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. And I feel like people will, it's so easy to believe something when you just receive a company's information. It's like, this seems real.

• 22:29Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 22:29Speaker 04

  Like, it's that, I feel like that scam, I don't know if you've talked about it, with like, Apple calling you to like, you're, they need your password, your Apple ID and your password. But it's like, Apple would never call you to do that, but there are like, older people who don't know that, who just suddenly are like, talking to them for an hour, and like, just giving them all of their information.

• 22:45Laci Mosley?

  Yep. And they say they're like, because you said you're with Apple, right?

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes, this is me, Steve Jobs. I'm calling to verify your Apple ID. They're like, okay, Steve, yeah, absolutely. Um, which, those scams always particularly interest me, because we've talked on the show, not about that specific one, but about the fact that like, a lot of times those scams, those people come with information that they shouldn't be offering up anyway. Like, they're always like, I have a confirmation number from the company. And it's like, if someone's calling you and they need information, they're going to grill you to first of all, see if you are who you say you are. Like, it's not going to be like, hey, I have a confirmation number for you, 227.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Right. They're going to ask you for the confirmation.

• 23:21Laci Mosley?

  All right, congregation, it's time for my favorite segment of the show, Historic Hood Wings. Guys, so I'm going to regale Lauren with a story that I don't think she's heard before, about a very popular scammer, and we'll just see what you think.

• 23:34Speaker 04

  Okay, great.

• 23:35Laci Mosley?

  Okay, guys, so for more than a year, some of the most powerful women in entertainment, including Amy Pascal, Kathleen Kennedy, Stacey Snyder, and a Homeland director, Shade,

• 23:46Laci Mosley?

  and somebody who directed Homeland,

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  have been impersonated by a cunning thief who targets. Insiders with promises of work and then bilks them out of thousands of dollars. For the past two and a half years, hundreds of unwitting victims around the world have been ensnared by a small but cunning criminal organization that contours only are beginning to understand. So basically, we don't even know how many people these people have scammed. We don't have a name of who this person is, but we know that this is someone who has mastered replicating other people's voices on the phone.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 24:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so it's like.

• 24:22Speaker 04

  That's cool, actually.

• 24:23Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 24:23Speaker 04

  I feel like that's a talented scammer.

• 24:26Laci Mosley?

  Right. I feel like this is someone whose dream was deferred, like they had perfect pitch, they can probably sing. Because if you can do voices, chances are you can sing a little bit.

• 24:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:34Laci Mosley?

  Uh, so I kind of feel like this person, you know, I'm, I'm with it. I'm with it. So the people being impersonated were like the who's who of Hollywood, like everyone I just described and that one director from Homeland. Who's not the who's who, because they would not say the person's name.

• 24:47Speaker 04

  Were saying, who are they? Who is who?

• 24:50Laci Mosley?

  So how it works was this imposter uses a combination of deceit, charm, and intimidation to manipulate her marks. It is a woman. The victims travel to Indonesia on a promise of work. And once they're there, they're asked to hand over like relatively modest amounts of money at a time, up to like $3,000 in some cases.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  But they travel all the way to Indonesia, like thinking that there's a job.

• 25:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, thinking that there's a job. So they think they're like on a production crew.

• 25:14Speaker 04

  The amount of like prep that you're doing in your head for that to be eventually scammed is crazy. Like you're just, I mean, we actually could.

• 25:21Laci Mosley?

  Right, literally.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  But like, I'm going to Indonesia, I have a job there, I'm gonna go. And then if you get there and you just get robbed.

• 25:28Laci Mosley?

  And you gotta reimburse for, they're gonna, oh, we'll reimburse you for your flight. That's number one. If anybody tells me they're gonna reimburse me for my travel, I'm like, I'm not going. Y'all better, y'all better pre- reimburse me for the travel. You better buy the flight. I won't be there. I will not.

• 25:41Speaker 04

  Cause I like, I like pre- reimburse.

• 25:45Laci Mosley?

  Because like, what the hell am I supposed to do if I fly there and you don't reimburse me?

• 25:48Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 25:48Laci Mosley?

  I already did the flight. I can't be like, hey guys, I need my money back. They're like, but we took you here.

• 25:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  Like.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  We don't care.

• 25:53Laci Mosley?

  What airline is gonna give you your money back?

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Nobody.

• 25:55Laci Mosley?

  Airlines hate everybody now, anyway.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  You have to pay to cancel a flight. That's a scam.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  It truly is. And you buy a flight and they're like, okay, we have your money and we're gonna keep that. But if you would like to cancel it or have more, like, we also need you to pay for it.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Like, it makes more sense to not show up for the flight than it does to cancel it.

• 26:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, if you don't show up for a flight and then you show up within two hours of when the flight was supposed to take off, you can reschedule it.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't know that.

• 26:19Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 26:21Laci Mosley?

  That's a good one. So it's like, if you miss the flight, like, don't sit at home. Like, go to the airport, you know, panic, throw a little, you know, water on your brow and, um, make it work. And tell them you were in an accident. They don't know. There's so many accidents happen every day. It don't mean that you gotta be extreme, you know what I mean?

• 26:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 26:38Laci Mosley?

  I left my keys in the door. That was an accident. I was in an accident. You know what I mean? You gotta fix your thinking. Change your mind.

• 26:44Speaker 04

  I feel like you are a scammer.

• 26:46Laci Mosley?

  I am. I, I fully am. I don't deny it one bit.

• 26:51Speaker 04

  You just suggested we throw water on our brow to look like we're panicking.

• 26:56Laci Mosley?

  It helps. Look, people like a good story, you know? Um, so basically, once they would fly to Indonesia, which, my God, a designated Indonesian money man arrives on a moped to collect the funds.

• 27:08Speaker 04

  Oh, God.

• 27:09Laci Mosley?

  Uh, needless to say, the, the promised reimbursement never arrives. Um, don't trust nobody on a moped.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  They can get away so fast.

• 27:16Laci Mosley?

  Mm-mm.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  You don't have to see their face necessarily. They got a helmet on.

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  Right, a helmet. It's only kind of vehicle where we don't have to see your face and then you can get through traffic and red lights and shit, like you're not in a vehicle. And also, like, if a man arrives on a moped to take your money, like, what?

• 27:32Speaker 04

  It, what, why, what, why is there a rush, first of all? Why do you want my money so bad that you have to, like, and then speed off with it? I'm very stressed by that. Why are you meeting me right here to get it immediately?

• 27:42Laci Mosley?

  Like, from the airport. Like, I can't even get to my hotel. I can't check in.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  Can I relax for a second before I get robbed?

• 27:47Laci Mosley?

  Can I get cucumber water? Can I get some Holiday Inn cucumber water before I am robbed? Expedientiously by this man on a moped. Also getting robbed by somebody on a moped is just embarrassing.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  It is.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  So needless to say, the reimbursement's never arrived. Hundreds and thousands of dollars have been collectively stolen this way. So at the center of this organization is the impersonator. It's a woman who's sophisticated research, skill with accents, and deft psychological and emotional manipulation have earned her the beguising respect of her victims and trackers.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, afterwards you're like, I respect her.

• 28:22Laci Mosley?

  Like, she conds you, you're like, I mean.

• 28:24Speaker 04

  I have to say.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  How could I not fall for that? That's how I want to be scammed. I don't want to be scammed by somebody where it was like all the signs were there.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 28:32Laci Mosley?

  I would like to be like, oh, no, she was talented.

• 28:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. So K2 Investigators, so it's like an international investigation. They believe that the woman is the talent of the operation. While relatively small, they think that it's operating in three continents, including the US, Asia, and Europe. The victims come from all over and represent a wide swath of creative industries: hairstylists, stuntmen, military advisors, photographers, cinematographers. So basically, she's saying, hey, it's me, Kelly. I'm British, as you know. We're doing a project over here in Indonesia, and we would really love if you would come. We'll reimburse you for your travel.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  I personally want to do it. I like how you.

• 29:17Laci Mosley?

  Right?

• 29:18Speaker 04

  I mean, also, if you're going to like lower on the food chain of like people working in the business where you're like, okay, I'm going to scam the hairdresser as opposed to the director of a film or something like. And then they're like, oh, it's a job. It's just like jobs spun of nowhere through random people that you know. Like, it all just can happen that way, where someone calls you and you get a job like that. So like, yeah, it's harder to fact check.

• 29:39Laci Mosley?

  That's the weird thing about Hollywood is like sometimes you'll get an email and you're like, this sounds wrong. And then you'll go and it's real. I got an email once to do 20 minutes of improv for $5,000. And I was like, there's no way this is real. I like emailed them, like I had them send me over their website, all their information, all this stuff. I only gave them information that was like not my personal information. And then the day came and I was like, okay, so what's the worst? I get killed if I go?

• 30:04Laci Mosley?

  Get no money or like whatever, like they never send you a check.

• 30:07Speaker 04

  And did it work out?

• 30:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, they gave me the check there.

• 30:09Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 30:10Laci Mosley?

  It was like 15 minutes and they gave me a check and I was like, it cleared.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 30:13Laci Mosley?

  Check cleared. And I was like, so that's the reason why in Hollywood is like,

• 30:17Speaker 04

  You fall for it.

• 30:18Laci Mosley?

  We're always gonna be adept to these scams. Cause I'm like, okay, Indonesia?

• 30:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  And then I think Indonesia is like a great place because, what do you know about Indonesia?

• 30:25Speaker 04

  I don't know much. It's super vague. I feel like I'd be like, sounds really cool. I've never thought about going there.

• 30:30Laci Mosley?

  So if the moped man pulls up, you're giving him your cash?

• 30:32Speaker 04

  I probably would. I mean, I feel like, oh God, I mean, I can't imagine fighting back in that moment.

• 30:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, yeah, he said we gotta give him the cash. So I mean,

• 30:40Speaker 04

  Are you supposed to show, do they tell you to show up with cash? Like, why do these people have so much money on them?

• 30:43Laci Mosley?

  I think because they talk about reimbursement and all that stuff that maybe they have it on them. I don't know.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  Or maybe they're like told like, it's easier to, to buy things with cash there. So just bring cash for all the stuff you're gonna do while you're there.

• 30:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. Yeah. That might be what it is. Like just bring cash in Indonesia. The transfer is not that high. So they're doing this to so many people. And I, I guess it's smart because like you were saying, they're not going higher up to where people could actually spread the information. If you're just one hairstylist, like who are you gonna tell?

• 31:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:11Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean?

• 31:11Speaker 04

  And it just sounds, it sounds true. Like what, yeah, there's no reason to not believe it.

• 31:16Laci Mosley?

  And so they have a transcription of her.

• 31:18Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 31:19Laci Mosley?

  Doing this. So basically,

• 31:21Speaker 04

  And they don't know who it is?

• 31:22Laci Mosley?

  No, they don't.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  That's so crazy.

• 31:24Laci Mosley?

  So someone named Scott Johnson started tracking this woman because he was really impressed by her different vocal skill sets. Maybe he wants to be her, but.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  I love how everyone talking about her is just really impressed by her.

• 31:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 31:37Speaker 04

  No one is like, let's arrest her. They're like, we just think she's an amazing actor. She's just really talented.

• 31:43Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  We just wanna know more.

• 31:44Laci Mosley?

  We wanna make her life a movie that actually isn't a scam like the movies that she's saying are scams?

• 31:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:51Laci Mosley?

  All for research. So they're saying nothing is a hundred percent, but they're very, very sure that this one person is the guise of multiple people. And we're talking more voices, more personas, more personalities, more accents than probably what they've calculated out of their little list and the director from Hong Kong.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  So have like people come out of the woodwork saying like, this happened to me? Or like, how are they like figuring this out?

• 32:11Laci Mosley?

  So what's happened and that's why K2 got involved and it became internet. National is because different continents, well, not different continents, but people on different continents were speaking up about the similar kind of scam. So they aren't sure still a hundred percent if it is the same woman. But they're pretty sure because they have like voice analysis and people who are like running the like checking her, because they have recordings now of her voice. So they're checking. So that's like the hot thing right now. It's like, is it one person? Is it multiple people?

• 32:38Speaker 04

  It's like Banksy. It's like secretly 10 people maybe, or it's just one, or it's just one great guy, but everyone's obsessed.

• 32:44Laci Mosley?

  Right. And so they said this is someone who's exceptionally skilled with voice work, impersonation, accents, and a particular kind of sarcology. They've talked about that a bunch. So they get people to go along with these job offers that just seem too good to be true. But she has this way about her that is convincing people. And I could, I could see that.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  I could see that. She was using burner phones to cover her tracks. So all these numbers are different. You can't call back. Which is also crazy. You get to Indonesia for your job and you call it, hello? Hello? I'm here for, hello?

• 33:15Speaker 04

  I know. That would, that, that alone would be scary. Like you arrive somewhere and then there's just like no real, like nothing's really happening. Then you get all your money taken from you. You're totally fucked. Like, I don't know. That would be like a really, that would scare me from jobs in the future for sure.

• 33:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna give her a name, Sharon. So.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  It's Sharon. Her name is Sharon.

• 33:32Laci Mosley?

  So you get to Indonesia and you're like, hey Sharon, we gave the moped man our money. Hello? Hello? He sped off.

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  And now you're just cashless in a foreign country with no job and probably no hotel either.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:46Laci Mosley?

  So, which, oh gosh, girl. So they would use fake burner phones and they would also use GoDaddy accounts with fake email addresses.

• 33:55Speaker 04

  Wow. Okay. So they made like what, like fake websites or something?

• 33:58Laci Mosley?

  So they were constructing fake websites to be like, oh, here, Google us. Like this is legit. Our production company.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  I feel like so often when like something like this happens, it's almost like a way to teach people how to scam people. Cause I'm like, oh, I wouldn't have thought of that. Okay. So there's that. I could do that if I was going to do a scam. Like you have a bunch of websites with all your different emails attached to them.

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  Dan Patrick told us GoDaddy was a good company and now I believe her.

• 34:19Speaker 04

  It's always the strange, that was like one of the strangest like bash out. Yeah. Like why her?

• 34:24Laci Mosley?

  She races cars and then

• 34:26Speaker 04

  This is websites.

• 34:27Laci Mosley?

  Y'all make websites.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I get it.

• 34:29Laci Mosley?

  Uh, NASCAR people need websites. Okay, okay. You know, it didn't matter. I remembered.

• 34:34Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 34:35Laci Mosley?

  That's all GoDaddy wanted.

• 34:36Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 34:36Laci Mosley?

  That's probably why they did it. They were like, let's just do something random.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, it works.

• 34:40Laci Mosley?

  And it worked, because we were like, why are they associated? But now my brain is questioning which advertisement.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  It's one of the only things I know about Danica Patrick, is that she likes GoDaddy.

• 34:48Laci Mosley?

  Right, literally. And she races cars.

• 34:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:51Laci Mosley?

  So, good job, GoDaddy. But yeah, so they were doing like fake GoDaddy accounts and things like that to just try to get people involved. Um, and I, I thought that was great. So, once they get to Indonesia and the moped man comes and leaves, then a local driver picks them up at the airport, sometimes accompanied by an interpreter. So, they do get picked up.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 35:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And then both ask, can't even read this, both ask for thousands of dollars upfront to be used for the victim's accommodation, plus an additional fee for their respective services.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  So, okay, so someone shows up and they also bring a translator and both of those people are like, you have to give us money?

• 35:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  That's so intimidating. Like, you're in a car with people and suddenly they're like, just give us thousands of dollars.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  They're like, you got in the car.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:35Laci Mosley?

  No, you already in the car, so give us the money.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  I mean, that was my whole.

• 35:38Laci Mosley?

  Doors are probably locked from the inside. Yeah.

• 35:40Speaker 04

  My pre-Uber experience, yeah.

• 35:42Laci Mosley?

  That was my pre-Uber experience. He was like, I'm giving you your life.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're in a car, you got a ride home, so it's a hundred twenty dollars.

• 35:49Laci Mosley?

  That's how much I say it. Uh, or else.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:54Laci Mosley?

  So, they get in the car. Now, what I don't understand is the moped man already came for the cash, so.

• 35:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, how did, they have any money left? Maybe he only took a certain amount.

• 36:03Laci Mosley?

  Or, I, I truly don't know. Are they using cars?

• 36:05Speaker 04

  They must be told to like bring a certain amount of money with them.

• 36:08Laci Mosley?

  Maybe.

• 36:08Speaker 04

  And then like it's just getting split all over the place.

• 36:10Laci Mosley?

  Because it's like.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  It doesn't feel as crazy though. It's like, if you give the moped, if you're told to bring like five thousand dollars in cash, and you give the moped man like two thousand, you're like, okay, well, that's fine, got that deal done. And then you get in the car and like, we want the three thousand. You're like, oh. So, they just kind of divide it so that you go along with it a little longer.

• 36:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, maybe, because it's like smaller amounts of money.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Because like five thousand would sound so insane to like give that first guy. But then it's like, if you're giving him a little bit and then a little bit.

• 36:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and that's what they're doing. It's like a very small con because this is where the con actually ends. So it's like you're in the car with the driver and the interpreter and they're like, give us this money for the accommodation. Also, give us this money for the interpreter, which I'm like, I ain't asked for no interpreter. I got Google Translate. Hold on, let me put in.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  Have you seen 90 Day Fiance? These people have full relationships just through Google Translate. It literally just talks like a robot and that's how they are with their lover.

• 36:59Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. So nobody asks for your interpreter, okay? I will get on Google Translate and be, uh, what the hell in Indonesian? Give me my money back. Where am I going in Indonesian?

• 37:14Laci Mosley?

  Vigorously typing away. Yeah, so it's like, I didn't ask for this interpreter. Why I gotta pay this guy? I love people showing up and demanding to be paid that you didn't ask to be there.

• 37:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's really stressful. I feel like I, I mean, I would give them everything. I, it would work.

• 37:27Laci Mosley?

  Like, I'm so sorry. So after they do this, the accomplices disappear. So basically they drop you off at the hotel and then you're like, okay, y'all checking us in or whatever. And they just leave.

• 37:37Speaker 04

  They're gone.

• 37:38Laci Mosley?

  And that's it.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  And that's it.

• 37:39Laci Mosley?

  And they do this to all types of people.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Wow, so then you're just in your hotel realizing what just happened to you.

• 37:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Oh, my God.

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, your hotel that you still have to pay for because the thousands that you paid did not go to the hotel.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 37:52Laci Mosley?

  Which I was like, okay, props to y'all.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  God, that is, that would be, I honestly would feel so stupid by the time I was at the hotel. Like, it's just like, you just got robbed every which way.

• 38:04Laci Mosley?

  I think I would too. Robbery!

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• 40:02Laci Mosley?

  So there's one guy who has kind of come back with his whole story and he was a freelance documentary photographer who's 27 and he worked at conflict zones and several prestigious newspapers and magazines. He shot ad campaigns for corporate clients. Basically like he's a legit photographer. So he said the first thing that he noticed was the sender's name when he got this email and it was from Amy Pascal, who's the former chair of Sony Pictures Entertainment. Pascal, in quotes, wanted to know if he would be interested in traveling to Indonesia to pursue an exciting project. So Indonesia is this girl's jam. She's like, I know the airports, I know the terminals. I have all my people there. I got moped men, I got interpreters, like I've built a thick web of lies in Indonesia. So this is where all her projects are happening.

• 40:44Laci Mosley?

  So after the call, he looked at the email again and he noticed the URL, pascalfilms.com didn't exist.

• 40:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:53Laci Mosley?

  Pascal claimed to have been very publicly embarrassed in the 2015 Sony hack. And that was when

• 40:58Speaker 04

  Right.

• 40:59Laci Mosley?

  all her emails came out.

• 41:01Speaker 04

  Yes, that was so bad.

• 41:03Laci Mosley?

  So what a, what a loop-de-loop here.

• 41:06Speaker 04

  It's an interesting person to pick because you're like, okay, this person's kind of been dragged through the mud a little bit. And so it would make sense that maybe they started their own thing and now they're doing something different. They have their own website because it's like now they're not really associated with Sony anymore.

• 41:20Laci Mosley?

  And then like, who do you think is shooting like weird projects in Indonesia? Definitely someone who was disgraced by

• 41:26Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:27Laci Mosley?

  the entire film industry.

• 41:28Speaker 04

  Just go somewhere random and start over.

• 41:30Laci Mosley?

  Right. So it's like you're thinking if you know the industry, like maybe she's starting over. She got some questions, you think? I appreciate the amount of thought they put in.

• 41:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, they didn't just say it was like Jennifer Lawrence, like, yeah.

• 41:40Laci Mosley?

  Jennifer Lawrence, we're making

• 41:42Speaker 04

  I'm making a movie. Silver Linings Playbook 3, um, in Indonesia.

• 41:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, probably will be there.

• 41:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we're like, there was never a 2.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  Don't ask questions, just show up, shut up.

• 41:55Laci Mosley?

  So yeah, so he picked somebody who's kind of disgraced. And then he basically, the photographer's like, this email doesn't exist. Like this person, maybe, maybe something's fishy or off. But the woman said that the lack of online presence for her new company was because she was laying low because of the 2015 Sony hack.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  That's a good excuse too.

• 42:16Laci Mosley?

  It was excellent, perfect.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:18Laci Mosley?

  You had to have done some thinking about this.

• 42:20Speaker 04

  You're ready for that question.

• 42:22Laci Mosley?

  I too am impressed with this woman.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:23Laci Mosley?

  So Pascal was familiar with details of his corporate clients, specifically personality quirks and of whom he'd worked with. Like you only know these things if you've dealt with these people in very specific ways. So this gave her immediate credibility. So what he's saying is, is that when she was on the phone talking about, you know, other networking zags, like she, she's obviously met these people.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:43Laci Mosley?

  And so she knew how to con. So I've always thought that maybe this was like a secretary or someone who had been working in the film industry, who realized that she could do this con.

• 42:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:51Laci Mosley?

  Because that's how like good scammers start is like they realize there's a flaw in the system.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:58Laci Mosley?

  And then they exploit it. So I'm like, this woman had to have at least worked in the film industry.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  If you're, yeah, if you're like someone who's like an assistant or whatever, like so often they're on every single phone call, listening. And as like someone calling them, you don't necessarily know that, but they're taking notes and like making sure that that, that their boss has like all the information for when they have to call them back later or whatever. And so they get all the inside scoop of like how everything works, who all the people are, what all the names are, like how people are talked about and like how people talk.

• 43:22Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. So she saw the whole process.

• 43:24Speaker 04

  That's gotta be what it is.

• 43:25Laci Mosley?

  Has to be.

• 43:26Speaker 04

  Like, how are you just some random person doing that? And you have, I mean, you would, that would be so impossible to pull off. You have to be, it has to be someone from the inside.

• 43:32Laci Mosley?

  It has to be. And maybe she was fired or, or maybe she was fired from Sony when they cleared that house. Who knows?

• 43:37Speaker 04

  Maybe this is Amy Pascal.

• 43:40Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna put that in, I'm throwing that in the ring too. Because like, I think like she was probably at her desk like, damn, these hairstylists just be showing up to set down, and they paying their own money? What a stupid.

• 43:50Speaker 04

  Ooh, they stupid.

• 43:53Laci Mosley?

  And then the light bulb went off in her head. She was like, oh, I'm about to start doing this to other people.

• 43:58Speaker 04

  I like that theory.

• 44:00Laci Mosley?

  So she explained that he would stay in Indonesia for about a week, shooting images of landscapes, temples, iconic scenery for a storyboard. He would pay in advance for the airfare and the front cost for the driver, the translator, and food and other sundries. And she would reimburse him for all these expenses. So before long, he was on a plane to Jakarta.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  I mean, I believe it. Like it's, it's actually, the job sounds so legitimate though, to be like, you're gonna go shoot these like things for a storyboard. Like it's like not even making it sound like it's something bigger than it is. Like it's, it's a very, yeah, like it's a simple project. So that's why we can't pay you in advance. Like it's just kind of a thing we're doing to like get the stuff, get it rolling.

• 44:41Laci Mosley?

  You're gonna get your money.

• 44:42Speaker 04

  You'll get paid.

• 44:45Laci Mosley?

  So six months and $65,000.

• 44:50Speaker 04

  Why is it so much?

• 44:51Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. That's too much. The photographer who requested an anemone out of concern for his safety. Also, probably because like-

• 45:01Speaker 04

  To protect his dumb ass.

• 45:02Laci Mosley?

  His stupidity. Sixty-five thousand dollars.

• 45:06Speaker 04

  For like the flight, I mean, like you can't, I can't even think of like, what would add up to be that much in that trip? Like, that's just an insane luxurious trip that you're taking.

• 45:14Laci Mosley?

  Maybe he was like, put up in a really nice hotel and he thought the company was paying for it. Maybe he was, you know what, he was popping that hotel, eating, getting dining in every day.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  That might be what it is.

• 45:23Laci Mosley?

  Bring on the brute.

• 45:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, he's like, it's a work trip, I'm getting paid back.

• 45:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm getting reimbursed, honey.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Need to be reimbursed, whatever you learn.

• 45:30Laci Mosley?

  Reimbursed. And then I was also like, you were over there for, please don't tell me you were over there for a week.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:35Laci Mosley?

  Cause then what are you, like a king?

• 45:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, who spends that much money in one, I don't understand.

• 45:39Laci Mosley?

  You're like a royal family member, like, what are you, sixty-five thousand dollars? The interpreter just keeps coming back like, look.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's like, I got a lot to say.

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Just thinking of talking to random people.

• 45:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, people, people got a lot to say around you, you wanna know or not? You don't wanna know what they're saying about you, they talking about you over there. But you gotta pay me first, then I'm gonna tell you.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  A thousand dollars a word, yeah.

• 46:00Laci Mosley?

  Seriously, cause that's sixty-five thousand dollars is an insane amount of money to be scammed out of.

• 46:06Speaker 04

  It sounds fun to spend that much in a week. Like, I can't imagine what I would be buying and what I'd be doing, but it sounds like a good time.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I would love it, I would adore it. Like, so basically, this similar type of scam is what this woman has been running on so many people. And they don't have her name.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  I can't believe she's still getting away with it. It's like, she must, she's probably still conning people like right now.

• 46:25Laci Mosley?

  There's no resolution to this. She actually is still out here in the world, conning people. And to that I say, listen, queen, Sharon, if you can hear this, I am proud of you.

• 46:35Speaker 04

  Sharon, call in on a burner phone, we will not try to track you.

• 46:39Laci Mosley?

  No, we won't.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  We just wanna know.

• 46:40Laci Mosley?

  We don't want you to get caught.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  No, we just wanna know how it's going, what your next plans are.

• 46:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, are you having moved up to cam ops and DP? No, they got a crazy union girl, don't do that, okay? Stick with the hairstylists, cause they are, they work non-union for a long time. Shout out to my hairstylist, I'm sorry, guys. I, I don't think I would show up and, and not be paid for travel.

• 47:01Speaker 04

  I don't know, yeah. I guess, I think I might.

• 47:06Laci Mosley?

  I was like, I mean, she knows everyone in the industry.

• 47:08Speaker 04

  Look, I feel like that's where it would start to get fishy. Like, if you involve, like, an agent or something, you'd think they're able to, like, check this and make sure it's real, but they might not be able to.

• 47:17Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, because that happened to us.

• 47:18Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 47:19Laci Mosley?

  We have very large agencies who told us that this was a good idea.

• 47:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, no one questioned it.

• 47:25Laci Mosley?

  No, no one.

• 47:25Speaker 04

  At all. So, yeah, it could happen.

• 47:28Laci Mosley?

  Except for my lawyer, who was like, "This is why you don't do low-budget projects." I was like, "Get your ass out of here." You're just saying that because who wasn't gonna make that much money on this?

• 47:36Speaker 04

  Exactly, you're gonna get five dollars.

• 47:37Laci Mosley?

  That's why you need to be selling your own movies every week. Come on. So, so I can get commission.

• 47:45Laci Mosley?

  No, but, so, I think the industry thing is the thing that's most jarring to me. It's like, she's calling people and she's probably like, "Yeah, I'm working on this project with Ted." You know Ted from Sony, you know, the one with the breath, don't say nothing.

• 47:55Speaker 04

  Throwing it out super casual, yeah.

• 47:57Laci Mosley?

  And everybody's like, "Yeah, we all know Ted got halitosis." Yeah. He be eating them mystery strips all day. We'd be like, "Ted, go to the doctor, damn, Ted." And she's like, "Yeah, so anyway, Ted involved."

• 48:05Speaker 04

  So, show up with $65,000. Um, it's gonna be a four-day trip.

• 48:10Laci Mosley?

  Be prepared to give some to a man on a moped.

• 48:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. You will speed away, you will never see him again. And that money does not go anywhere, so.

• 48:18Laci Mosley?

  It's not actually for anything that's a part of the trip.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  You'll never know where it went.

• 48:21Laci Mosley?

  It's just moped money that you gotta give up. Don't ask. We reimbursing you, so why do you care?

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's fine, it'll come back.

• 48:27Laci Mosley?

  You gotta watch out.

• 48:28Speaker 04

  She's good, she's good.

• 48:29Laci Mosley?

  She's excellent, and she's still out here.

• 48:32Speaker 04

  I love her.

• 48:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Oh, uh, so, some fun details about this. When she was doing the New York, or the Pascal accent, which I guess Amy Pascal's accent is a mix of New York and Midwestern.

• 48:43Speaker 04

  Wow, that's like a really nuanced dialect that she's working with.

• 48:47Laci Mosley?

  With a slight lisp.

• 48:48Speaker 04

  Oh, that's hard to balance all those things.

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Now I know why they're impressed with her.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  Like, have you seen that, maybe it's that woman, have you seen that YouTube video of that woman who does all the accents? She just likes, she just, I actually think she says, "Hi, my name is Amy." I actually think that's what she says in the video. She says the same sentence over and over, but like, where she changes where she's from to the accent.

• 49:06Laci Mosley?

  Wait, can we find that?

• 49:06Speaker 04

  Oh, my God, yeah, what if it's her?

• 49:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God, are we finding the Amy?

• 49:10Speaker 04

  I'm not sure if that's what she says, but I feel like it is. It's like woman does like tons of accents. I don't know how you would find it, but.

• 49:16Laci Mosley?

  I think anybody who can do multiple accents, we have to keep an eye on like the government should just like.

• 49:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, Amy, Amy Walker.

• 49:23Laci Mosley?

  Uh oh.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  Uh oh, Amy.

• 49:25Laci Mosley?

  Uh oh, Amy, are we figuring out this is 11 million views. I think we might be on to something.

• 49:30Speaker 04

  What if she was hiding in plain sight?

• 49:33Laci Mosley?

  That's how you gotta hide when you're a scammer. Yes, hello. My name is Amy Walker. I'm 25 years old.

• 49:40Speaker 04

  Regional.

• 49:41Laci Mosley?

  That's more money. That was more money.

• 49:48Laci Mosley?

  Oh my God, this is her. Hi, I'm Amy Walker. I'm 25 and I was born in Sydney. Oh my gosh, she should have been arrested immediately. As soon as they put up this video. If you got this many talents, there's no way in hell you're using them for good.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  So impressive.

• 50:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh my gosh.

• 50:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, she definitely gotta be.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  Amy Walker.

• 50:06Speaker 04

  I know. She likes the name Amy. What can I say?

• 50:10Laci Mosley?

  If you seek Amy tonight, y'all know that one.

• 50:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh my gosh. Yeah, no, the accents, that's when you have incredible skills like that, like we can't not admire.

• 50:22Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:23Laci Mosley?

  You as a scammer. So now it's time for our last segment, Scammer of the Week, where we honor just one prestigious, amazing charlatan. You know what I mean? Who's just been excelling at chicanery. Uh, this week we have a Georgetown woman who conned a dive instructor out of nearly $2 million by pretending the money was for legitimate fees for his Cayman status application.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  $2 million?

• 50:49Laci Mosley?

  $2 million.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  What application? Like, what are you possibly getting yourself into that could cost $2 million to get like certified?

• 50:58Laci Mosley?

  So he was trying to be a citizen? Uh, no, no, no. So he's trying to be like a legit operator, I guess, of like scuba diving in the Cayman Islands.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Costs $2 million. That's insane.

• 51:09Laci Mosley?

  This sounds like a Richard Branson type.

• 51:11Speaker 04

  And how did he even have $2 million? How did this happen?

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  Uh, well, she was recently jailed for 10 years. Douglas presented herself as a legitimate operator working for the government. And indicated that much of the money would be returned at the end of his process. Guys, this is a number one scam tactic. Anybody who's telling you they gonna give you your money back. When the government takes your money, they don't give it back. They don't. That's basically just a fact. Like, I mean. The government's the biggest scam organization that we all participated. Yeah, we're paying our taxes. It's a scam. We don't know where it goes. They're like, to the roads. Which road? Like, when they fix shit, we don't know. Like, sometimes I just wanna get out and talk to construction workers, like, what y'all doing this week? This all y'all doing? How much you getting a month? Everybody, let's talk. Cause we don't know what the government's doing to our money.

• 51:58Speaker 04

  But they're not giving it back.

• 51:59Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 51:59Speaker 04

  If I give the government $2 million, I'm not getting $2 million back.

• 52:02Laci Mosley?

  Absolutely not.

• 52:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 52:03Laci Mosley?

  And why do y'all need it? Why do y'all need to hold my money? Y'all the government. Now, taxes are that.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:09Laci Mosley?

  We give them money and they do give us money back sometimes.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, but maybe a little. But it's not gonna be, you're not gonna get 2 million.

• 52:14Laci Mosley?

  No, nobody's getting a $2 million refund check, unfortunately. So, red flag. Anyone telling you that they're gonna give you money back. And also, my mom always said, growing up, like, never borrow, or no, never lend out more money than you're willing to never see again.

• 52:29Speaker 04

  I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that.

• 52:31Laci Mosley?

  So, if someone asks me for a loan, I have to think about how much they want, because I'm like, I have to be okay with, like, never getting this money back.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, and I've lent money to friends before and have gone, like, okay. And they've paid me back, actually, every time. But it's that thing of, I might never see it again, so the amount that I give has to just be a gift until further notice. And then if they pay it back, that's great.

• 52:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. It can't be so much money that I'm looking at you every time I see you.

• 52:54Speaker 04

  Going like, hmm.

• 52:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so you got Starbucks? Oh, so you got money for Starbucks, but you can't pay me back? Oh, you got money for a double frat, but you can't pay me back?

• 53:03Speaker 04

  I would take $5 at a time.

• 53:07Laci Mosley?

  You can send me $5 at a time? Yeah, I'd be looking at everything they do. I'm like, oh, okay, so you got gas in your car. Where you going? To get my money?

• 53:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:14Laci Mosley?

  You going to the bank? No? Okay, okay. I'm just saying you getting real lavish.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  If you can't handle being looked at that way, like, with every purchase you make. Like, it is, like, that's how it's gonna go.

• 53:24Laci Mosley?

  If I ask for money, which I have, I have parents who I ask for money, which are the best people to loan from, because, like, they don't bother you. But, but if I have ever, if I had ever borrowed someone's money, I would never have the audacity to try to, like, spend it, any money in front of them.

• 53:38Speaker 04

  No.

• 53:38Laci Mosley?

  Every time I see them, I'd be in tattered clothes.

• 53:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:41Laci Mosley?

  Unless you have so many clothes, like, where are these rags coming from? I just played a part of so poor.

• 53:45Speaker 04

  Things are not going well, yeah.

• 53:49Laci Mosley?

  Where did you get these tattered drags?

• 53:51Speaker 04

  And why do you only wear them when we hang out? Because I've seen your Instagram. I just feel like...

• 53:56Laci Mosley?

  I've seen your Instagram story. You're wearing normal clothes everywhere else. But then when I see you, you're dressed like an 18th century beggar. Like, what is this? Like, I'm gonna play the part until I got the money. You know what I mean? We ain't gonna go nowhere to spend money. Every time we go out, it's gonna be a hike.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 54:10Laci Mosley?

  It's gonna be one of those cheap ass Tinder dates that everybody likes to do. Like, oh, let's go for a hike or a walk. I ain't going up fucking woods with you.

• 54:16Speaker 04

  You don't do that on Tinder. When I go on a hike, I don't like that.

• 54:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they have sex. It's hinged when they wanna go for hikes. Everybody thinks they so deep because they like tacos, office, and they wanna go for hikes.

• 54:26Speaker 04

  I don't wanna go on a hike on a first date where I'm out of breath. I can barely get a, like, get a conversation going.

• 54:30Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 54:30Speaker 04

  That's like too, and also, like, not fun.

• 54:32Laci Mosley?

  No, not fun at all.

• 54:34Speaker 04

  Not relaxing.

• 54:34Laci Mosley?

  And also, like, I'm going up into the, I don't know.

• 54:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, you're gonna kill me at the top of this canyon? Great, no.

• 54:39Laci Mosley?

  That's not like a perfect recipe. I'm just bringing the murder to you. Like, that's not even fun.

• 54:43Speaker 04

  A stranger is gonna take me to the top of a canyon. Uh, that's a no. Yeah.

• 54:48Laci Mosley?

  But it sounds, it sounds fun. Just like, long walks on the beach. You know how hard it is to walk in sand?

• 54:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't wanna do that.

• 54:54Laci Mosley?

  I did a 5K on the sand and I was like, fuck this.

• 54:56Speaker 04

  Good for you. Yeah, that's a brag, guys. That's a humble brag, yeah.

• 55:01Laci Mosley?

  You know, it's harder because it's on the sand.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:03Laci Mosley?

  Did I make that clear?

• 55:04Speaker 04

  Strong calves.

• 55:06Laci Mosley?

  So, back to Douglas. So, um, you know me. I am all for women scamming men. But this poor guy, this was, this was very sad. Um, some hilarious quotes from this was, okay, he was a diver, but he was hardly able to get a breath. He was drowned by her ocean of lies.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  Oh, okay.

• 55:27Laci Mosley?

  He's a very creative reporter who was...

• 55:28Speaker 04

  He's a poet who wrote this.

• 55:31Laci Mosley?

  So, basically, she just kept calling him, pretending to impersonate the government, saying that she needed more fees from the government. Everybody gives the government their money, like, unwittingly.

• 55:40Speaker 04

  He must have been in debt from this, though. Like, I mean, unless he was a millionaire who was...

• 55:43Laci Mosley?

  If you've got millions to spare like this, then like...

• 55:46Speaker 04

  How are you getting scammed, actually? I feel like if you have millions, you have like the best people ever helping you do everything.

• 55:52Laci Mosley?

  No. When you start to have so much money, you need help managing it. That's how Rihanna got scammed down to so much money.

• 55:59Speaker 04

  His own brother, yeah.

• 56:00Laci Mosley?

  Because like, my mom always said, never be too big to sign your own checks.

• 56:03Speaker 04

  Right, because they're not paying attention on the ins and outs.

• 56:06Laci Mosley?

  So now you have somebody whose whole job is to manage your money, which,

• 56:09Speaker 04

  that's dangerous.

• 56:10Laci Mosley?

  That's, nobody but a con artist wants to manage other people's money. Nobody else gets passionate about other people's shit like scammers.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  Right, because they're getting something out of it. Yeah, it's a good point.

• 56:20Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so I'm like, maybe, I could see how maybe this money just kind of like, oh, but Nathaniel Robb was the victim here. And actually, at the end of this scam, he says that he's a broken man with just nineteen dollars and seventy-five cents in his bank account after a relentless five-year con.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Okay, but at what point do you go, I don't need to be a scuba instructor that bad? Like, you are down to your last twenty dollars.

• 56:48Laci Mosley?

  Rob borrowed from friends.

• 56:50Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 56:51Laci Mosley?

  From businesses. He borrowed from his own dive business, which was probably thriving in the US. He sold a family home in the US to help meet Douglas's demands, so.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  Okay, so he wasn't a millionaire who was just not paying attention. He was using every resource he could possibly tap into.

• 57:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, to try to make this work. Now, I'm thinking, I'm like, okay, so you're going broke for this. You're selling homes, you're borrowing from friends, you're borrowing against your own business. But then, the Cayman Islands are a real diving hotspot.

• 57:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:23Laci Mosley?

  And maybe he was about to have a luxury diving company, where, you know, all the Kim Kardashians would be floating in the ocean with their silicone booties, diving and seeing tropical fish.

• 57:34Speaker 04

  I mean, don't you think you have to be a sociopath to like pull, like to scam somebody for five years and take two million dollars from them when you kind of know they don't have it?

• 57:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  It's like, so unfeeling.

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  And also, like, you really truly have to be a sociopath because I think I would emotionally get exhausted by having to talk to this person all the time.

• 57:50Speaker 04

  And him being like, okay, I want to refinance my house. Okay, maybe, oh, God.

• 57:54Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, refinance the house.

• 57:56Speaker 04

  Like, okay, talk to you soon. Just let me know when that's done. Send me that money.

• 58:00Laci Mosley?

  What was that about your daughter's kidney on the black market? Okay, let me know when it goes.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  Happy that you have, you've got new ideas, new ways to get money. You're very clever. Talk to you soon. Hang up. Like, you have to not give a shit.

• 58:12Laci Mosley?

  I would get so annoyed having to constantly like, oh my God, sorry y'all, it's work. Hello? Nathan, okay. So, so, so your family got robbed now? Okay. Well, how you gonna get the money? Cause the government of the Cayman Islands, uh, they said they need it.

• 58:28Speaker 04

  They need a million dollars tomorrow.

• 58:31Speaker 04

  I read this book called The Psychopath Test, which is like all about psychopaths and sociopaths and like how they can manipulate everyone in their lives. It's actually a really, really good read, but um, one of the things that I thought was really interesting about it was that they said like, the, like, there was a person in it who was like, I feel so bad for, for the sociopath because they're, you know, and because of like their life, it's so sad and like all the ways that they're like so mean, they don't realize. And the person writing the book was like, you basically can never feel sad for that person because they feel nothing about you. So like the scammers are getting away with this. They don't give a fuck. They don't care. They feel nothing about that. I mean, you have to be a sociopath because you'd have guilt. Like, if you had no guilt, you don't, like, missing a part of your brain that like tells you to feel bad. And you're just like, oh, I can just manipulate these idiots into giving me whatever I want. And like, it's bad simple. Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  I mean, their lives are really carefree because they don't care.

• 59:20Laci Mosley?

  Yo, I'm low-key envious. I'm low-key envious. Cause they're gonna live longer.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, they are. They are.

• 59:25Laci Mosley?

  I think evil sociopaths, same thing. So, I'm 45, I have to become a complete sociopath.

• 59:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 59:31Laci Mosley?

  I wanna live for a long time.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Just turn off that part of your brain and you'll be fine.

• 59:35Laci Mosley?

  Caring about people kills you guys, okay? But yeah, so this poor guy, he ends up with like 19 dollars. I'm like, who is Nathan's wife? Like, who are his family members?

• 59:43Speaker 04

  And why are they all going along with it? Like, at what point, isn't your wife like begging you to stop doing this? Like, I would be so mad at my husband if he was just like, okay, I'm gonna borrow money from everyone we know and I'm gonna um, put our business on the line and like, we're gonna lose everything. Okay, I have 19 dollars and 75 cents. So he was like, he knew exactly how much it was.

• 1:00:01Laci Mosley?

  I mean, look, make it count, get that low. You know exactly how much is in it.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:04Laci Mosley?

  Listen, when I was in college, I used to know if a penny was deducted.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  Totally.

• 1:00:09Laci Mosley?

  You know how I used to take a penny at the gas station?

• 1:00:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  I said, bitch, where the fuck?

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  No, and like those gas stations, they're like, it's 35 cents for the charged user debit card. I'd be like, I'm gonna go across the street.

• 1:00:17Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm like, it's that ATM right there from my bank. So actually, I'm gonna save my 35. Thank you.

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  I used to write down every penny that I spent when I was living in New York because I was like so broke and it was like, I wanted to make sure I never overdrafted. So it was like, if I bought a bottle of water, I wrote down, begrudgingly wrote down my $1 that I spent on the bottle of water. I mean, I kept track of it all.

• 1:00:36Laci Mosley?

  You're so responsible. Oh, my gosh, Lauren, it was so good to have you.

• 1:00:39Speaker 04

  This was so fun. Thank you for having me.

• 1:00:41Laci Mosley?

  Anything you want to plug, any podcasts you wanna?

• 1:00:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I want to plug my, I have too many podcasts. I have Raised by TV, I have Wild Horses, I have with special guest Lauren Lapkus. I have three of them. They're all on Citro Premium. Some of them are on Apple Podcasts. They're all different things, so go check them out and, you know, whatever one strikes your interest.

• 1:00:56Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so people can't get enough.

• 1:00:58Speaker 04

  No, I mean.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  So many platforms.

• 1:01:00Speaker 04

  Too many, too many platforms. So find the one that you like and listen to that one.

• 1:01:04Laci Mosley?

  Yes. And as always, guys, you can find us at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram, Scam Goddess Pod Gmail. If you've been scammed, reach out to us. Let us know about it. We want to hear. We'll share it on the show if it's interesting. And then always, Lacey Mosley on social media. You can find me at Diva Lacey, D I V A L A C I on all platforms.

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  Including Venmo.

• 1:01:24Laci Mosley?

  Including Venmo.

• 1:01:25Speaker 04

  Go throw her a dollar, why not?

• 1:01:28Laci Mosley?

  All right, congregation, we'll see you next week.

• 1:01:33Laci Mosley?

  This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay Schemin.

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