The Ex-Hurler’s Cancer Con w/ Shea Couleé

Laci welcomes renowned drag artist and actor Shea Couleé (RuPaul’s Drag Race All Stars, Ironheart) to discuss and DRAG one of Ireland’s most famous sports stars for faking a cancer diagnosis to scam people out of money for treatment. In reality, he didn’t have cancer at all and staged his diagnosis by putting an iPhone cable up his nose. Stay schemin’! CON-gregation, catch Scam Goddess LIVE in a city near you. Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Shea Couleé: @sheacoulee Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4gwwl8rpn8o https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/1104/1542089-revealed-the-fake-letters-and-miracle-cure-behind-careys-scam/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnqQgFZb7DU The Dodger DJ Carey and the Great Betrayal (book) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IDMWnpOLXw https://metro.co.uk/2025/11/03/iphone-cables-handball-fake-cancer-everything-dj-carey-dupe-friends-400-000-24602680/ https://www.independent.ie/regionals/herald/couple-who-aimed-to-clean-up-in-celtic-tiger-ended-up-bust/28006431.html https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2025/07/03/dj-carey-superstar-hurler-spectacular-downfall/ https://www.thejournal.ie/dj-carey-6-6863591-Nov2025/

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• 2:40Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, the host of the show all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Please don't forget this is a comedy show. Yes. And congregation, y'all already know I'm what? Yes, I'm excited, I'm elated, I'm thrilled. I'm gonna need y'all to get up out of your seats, stand up in your car at the red light, okay? Do a little catwalk for me because today, we have a drag icon on the show. They are a singer, rapper, actor, podcaster, and fixture of the Chicago nightlife scene. You've seen them as the winner of RuPaul's Drag Race All Stars, Season 5, and as a finalist on Season 9 and on 7 All Stars. Yes, they are celebrated for their fashion-forward editorial looks,

• 3:25Laci Mosley?

  advocacy for the LGBTQIA+ and BIPOC communities, and for their pioneering work as the first drag artist in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I know that's right, congregation. Please welcome Shay Kool-Aid to the show. How you doing?

• 3:41Speaker 06

  Hey, hey, girl. How's it going? So glad to be back.

• 3:45Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad to have you back. It's been a minute.

• 3:48Speaker 06

  I know, I know. And the scams just keep on scamming.

• 3:51Laci Mosley?

  It's getting worse.

• 3:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 3:53Laci Mosley?

  That's good for me and my business.

• 3:55Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 3:57Laci Mosley?

  We're not running out of material anytime soon. But bad for the countries.

• 4:02Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:03Laci Mosley?

  Scams are a recession indicator for sure.

• 4:06Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 4:06Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but at the same time, like scams, even in good times or bad times, it's like alcohol consumption where it's like, people drink when they're sad or they drink when they're happy, if they drink at all, you know what I mean? So like, people are scamming when times are good. They're scamming when times are bad.

• 4:19Speaker 06

  You know, look, we live in America.

• 4:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 4:22Speaker 06

  It is a country built off of scamming.

• 4:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 4:24Speaker 06

  You know, scamming is woven into the fabric of this country. So I'm just like, there is... There's no way to exist here without either scamming or being scammed.

• 4:35Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. I mean, we're the product of scams.

• 4:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 4:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:39Laci Mosley?

  And our history books are like, yeah, black people, uh, they took a little Carnival cruise ship like 300 years ago. Had an unpaid internship. And then Martin Luther King came and he was marching in suits.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  Right.

• 4:50Laci Mosley?

  And then Barack Obama.

• 4:52Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 4:52Laci Mosley?

  And in the end.

• 4:52Speaker 06

  And then ended racism. And it's just been smooth sailing ever since.

• 4:58Laci Mosley?

  Ever since.

• 4:59Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  So wait, I have to ask you, Sha, it's been a minute. What is your relationship with scams? You love them, you hate them, you seen some you like, you seen some you hate, you had some run on you, you run some?

• 5:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, look, like I said, I'm an American, so I'm getting scammed every single day.

• 5:14Laci Mosley?

  Well, yes.

• 5:15Speaker 06

  That I'm out in these streets. Now, I love when scamming happens to people in privilege or the status quo. You know what I'm saying? Like, those are great scams.

• 5:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Speaker 06

  Um, other scams like, you know, Jen Shaw scamming the elderly. Those are not the scams that I like, you know, I don't like that. She scammed her own mother like that. That to me, that is a very specific level of scamming when you scam your own mama.

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  Right, because you scammed her once already, you got nine months free rent and you stole all her bodily resources and you coming for her again?

• 5:51Speaker 06

  Uh, came for her retirement. Literally was like, mama, I swear I did not scam these people, mom. Give me your retirement to fight my legal battles. Give me all that money, mama. And then gonna go and be like, yeah, y'all, I did it.

• 6:06Laci Mosley?

  That was the worst part about it. Why would you set your mama up like that? That's like having your parents put your, like, their house up for your bail and then running away. Like, why would you do that?

• 6:15Speaker 06

  It just, that to me was really the nail in the coffin for Jen Shaw. I was already like, damn, like, she is really, she is really just like a treacherous scammer. And then when I was just like, you scam, the last scam that she did was on her own mother and that's what I was just like, well, damn.

• 6:34Laci Mosley?

  But I mean, also though, is it, is it equality? She said anybody could get it?

• 6:39Speaker 06

  You know what? Actually, yeah. Honestly, it is equality. She's like, you know what? Everybody, including my own mama who brought me into this world and raised me. She could get scammed too.

• 6:50Laci Mosley?

  Which is, it's trifling, but I guess she has a code, which is no code whatsoever.

• 6:55Speaker 06

  Right, none, none. She's like, I, she's like, I respect no one.

• 6:59Laci Mosley?

  Which, you know, that, that can be a place in the world. I, I don't want that to be our world. So I absolutely agree with you.

• 7:05Speaker 06

  But it's like, you know, Jen Shaw came up in America. So she was just like, oh, this is the American dream. We have to scam people. Like, I was just like going through, doing some stuff for, uh, uh, taxes just like yesterday. And I was just like, oh, yes, this scam. I said, this scam really annoys me.

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  You don't like the guessing game? You don't like, you guess how much you owe us? And if you don't send it, we put you in Wesley Snipes jail.

• 7:30Speaker 06

  Right, girl. And like, I'm like, actually, y'all owe me for everything that this administration has done the last year. I was like, I feel like I deserve payment for my pain and suffering.

• 7:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like, when can we get the American class action lawsuit where we all just show up to Congress in a neck brace? Like, with all of us?

• 7:49Speaker 06

  Yes, from all the whiplash.

• 7:51Laci Mosley?

  January 6th. Like, we all just show up with canes and neck braces from the whiplash.

• 7:56Speaker 06

  Right, from all the headlines.

• 7:57Laci Mosley?

  We demand compensation.

• 7:59Speaker 06

  Girl.

• 8:00Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna start this. Y'all stay up till 3 a.m. because I'm, I'm gonna start them ads like, have you or a loved one been scammed by America?

• 8:08Speaker 06

  Every day. A personal bag of chips should not be a dollar.

• 8:13Laci Mosley?

  No, they put more air in it too. They took out the chips.

• 8:16Speaker 06

  And put air in there. And I'm like, what we're getting in that bag of chips, I kid you not, is probably a third of a potato. And one single-

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  A third? Oh, you're generous.

• 8:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, maybe a fourth, maybe even a fifth of a potato. And one potato won, okay? So five times of what we're getting in that bag is about two cents. Why is this a dollar? You know what? If I were to run on any platform, mine would be make chips cheap again.

• 8:43Laci Mosley?

  Make chips cheap again. I would vote for that.

• 8:45Speaker 06

  25 cents. That's all a bag of personal chips should cost.

• 8:49Laci Mosley?

  I know they're like this big and they're full of air. Yes. And so if we're gonna keep them packed with air, they should be 25 cents. Unite the country.

• 8:59Speaker 06

  You still gonna be making money off those chips. So that's what that's, that's, you know, I'm sick of being scammed over my chips too.

• 9:05Laci Mosley?

  I feel like that's a great campaign platform, honestly. You know, something everybody can get behind. Like, how could you be contentious about that? But you, I'd be surprised, because in America, I feel like there's somebody to be like, my granddaddy loves not having chips.

• 9:20Speaker 06

  His sodium intake is too high. He don't need no more chips.

• 9:23Laci Mosley?

  You're trying to kill my granddaddy.

• 9:25Speaker 06

  Well, who did your granddaddy vote for?

• 9:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we know who your granddaddy voted for.

• 9:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. Well, yes, I agree with you on scamming up and scamming like the systems that are already scamming us. And that's what we advocate for here. I mean, I don't encourage it.

• 9:41Speaker 06

  For legal reasons.

• 9:42Laci Mosley?

  For legal reasons. If you learn a tip or something.

• 9:49Laci Mosley?

  Then that's not, you know what I mean?

• 9:50Speaker 06

  That's just playing the game that you have involuntarily been forced to participate in.

• 9:57Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. Like, sometimes people are inspiration for you and they're not doing crime. Like Elizabeth Holmes loves Steve Jobs' turtlenecks, you know, but Steve didn't make her make the tiny thing scam.

• 10:08Speaker 06

  And little miss Anna Delvey, she loves her little ankle bracelet.

• 10:12Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 10:13Speaker 06

  She was out there on Dancing with the Stars. So, look.

• 10:16Laci Mosley?

  I will never forget that. She really had a resurgence. I want to meet her so badly. I was on Good Morning America and they were like, who would you want to meet? And I was like, Michael, I need to meet Anna. Like, I need, I need her to tap on the ankle bracelet and come see me because I just need to be around her. I need to know. I just want to know what she does so that I can, like, who she chooses as a target, so I can be less of that in the world.

• 10:38Speaker 06

  You know, it, from what I've seen, it looks like really rich white men who all deserve to be scammed. Because they, I know that they all scam people to get where they are. So it, it, it is kind of like their version of paying taxes.

• 10:53Laci Mosley?

  That's true. The hardest thing about the rich white man scam is that some of it's already baked in. It's like they really didn't have to do much. They were born looking like that. You got a full head of hair. It means you got charisma. And, and, you know, they say things, and maybe they're not even trying to scam sometimes. Maybe they're just speaking what they want into the world. They're like, yeah, I would like all of your money. You agree?

• 11:12Speaker 06

  Right. And people just give it to them.

• 11:13Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, you know what, I do agree. Here you go. This makes sense. What was I doing with my money in my bank account? When I'm supposed to give it to you?

• 11:20Speaker 06

  I just give it to you. Yeah. No, those, man. Yeah, there's nothing more dangerous than a good-looking white man with a full head of hair. They will get, they will get things that they do not deserve.

• 11:30Laci Mosley?

  Have you ever encountered a scam in your own personal life?

• 11:33Speaker 06

  Yes. I mean, God, I would say probably one of my favorite scams that I have participated in multiple times would be RuPaul's Drag Con.

• 11:47Speaker 06

  They put the con in drag con. Baby!

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  It's capital C-O-N.

• 11:52Speaker 06

  Baby! You get, girl, like, you get there as like a, like a queen or a vendor, and I kid you not, at every single turn, they're like, oh, you need like a stanchion for your booth? That's gonna be $300. Oh, oh, oh, you need an outlet for power? That's gonna be $300.

• 12:14Laci Mosley?

  Oh, you need electricity? That's crazy.

• 12:15Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, oh, oh, do you need Wi-Fi so that you can like run your, your square? That's gonna be $200. And you're just like, whoa. And they're like, oh, you're trying to use another device on the Wi-Fi? That's gonna be another $200. Like, the scamonomics that go on. Good. And, and it turns into like trickle-down scamonomics because then I have to scam the fans.

• 12:40Laci Mosley?

  You have to pass the scamings down to them.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  Yes, I have to pass the scam down to them. So I'm just like, yeah, you gotta pay, you gotta buy $50 worth of my merchandise to come and get a picture with me. So then that's my little scam.

• 12:53Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 12:54Speaker 06

  You know?

• 12:54Laci Mosley?

  But you were forced into that because you already gotta pay booth fees.

• 12:57Speaker 06

  Right.

• 12:58Laci Mosley?

  Breathe fees. Oh, you wanna breathe air? That's gonna be another $150. We didn't know you were gonna breathe when you came in here.

• 13:02Speaker 06

  Right. Oh, you wanna hug? That's gonna be another 75. Like, you know? So I would say, yes, that's probably one of my favorite scams that I have participated in.

• 13:15Laci Mosley?

  I would argue that's more of a hustle than a scam because they're hustling you and then like you gotta pass a little bit of the hustle down so. You can make your hustle money back.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  True.

• 13:24Laci Mosley?

  I think that for me, the definition of a scam is when two people enter an agreement and one person walks away, not receiving what they were promised or what was agreed upon.

• 13:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:35Laci Mosley?

  And that could work in many different fashions. That could be a romance scam. That could be, you know, somebody robbing you. That could be a Ponzi scheme. Like all of these things where we promised something and then the other person walks away feeling duped. So I feel like DragCon, everybody's living, everybody's in their life. Everybody's on Twitter fighting afterwards because of remarks. Which is my favorite part is to get into people's like, uh, Twitter feeds and be like, she said, what about the girl?

• 13:58Speaker 06

  When Gia Gunn said that there was no glamour at DragCon and everyone was so upset. And I was just all like, baby, I don't feel upset about that because she didn't see me.

• 14:07Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 14:08Speaker 06

  So obviously that's why she didn't see any glamour because she didn't see me.

• 14:12Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, she just don't get the people going. And she got people going. I was all in the thread. I wasn't at DragCon. I was like, ooh.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  So funny. I was laughing myself and I was just like, why are y'all letting this girl get you so upset? It's just her little opinion. It's okay.

• 14:27Laci Mosley?

  Also like queens, like shade, like hen hen.

• 14:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's what we do. Right.

• 14:33Laci Mosley?

  But they were like rallying the troops. I'm like, is this a, is this a change.org?

• 14:36Speaker 06

  Well, that's what I'm saying. I was like, literally she struck a chord with some of y'all. So I'm like, maybe you do need to up your glamour.

• 14:44Laci Mosley?

  Seems like there wasn't glamour.

• 14:46Speaker 06

  It feels like y'all were feeling kind of clocked and that's why you were feeling so sensitive about it.

• 14:50Laci Mosley?

  Hit up, go holla.

• 14:52Speaker 06

  Go holla.

• 14:53Laci Mosley?

  That's what it's giving, very much so. But I love that. Your scams are great. I love the scam of DragCon. I do think DragCon's more of a hustle because I do love it as everyone walks in. Yeah, and everyone comes and they get what they want. It would be different if I came and I went to your booth and instead of Shay Kool-Aid, it was Shay Kool-Aid.

• 15:10Speaker 06

  Oh, yes.

• 15:11Laci Mosley?

  And I was like, where is Shay Kool-Aid?

• 15:12Speaker 06

  Right. You thought that you were gonna get a meet and greet with Shay Kool-Aid, but you got Shay Kool-Aid.

• 15:16Laci Mosley?

  You gotta read the fine print. It says Shay Kool-Aid. It even said, oh, yeah, in like small print.

• 15:24Laci Mosley?

  Then I'd be like, oh, okay, scam. But yes, but they get the experience of, you know, seeing all of you. So I think that's really amazing.

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• 17:31Laci Mosley?

  Well, it's time to get into my favorite segment of this podcast, Historic Hoodwings. This is where I will work Gail Shea with a famous con caper group of criminals. We might like them, we might hate them. We will see along the way. One of Ireland's most famous sports stars is about to serve a five and a half year sentence in prison for lying about having cancer. So people would give him money for treatment. In reality, he did not have cancer. He just took a picture of himself with an iPhone cable up his nose. How do you feel about this drag? Should I tell you, stay?

• 18:07Speaker 06

  Now, ma'am, I'm clocking that iPhone cord. That is very like-

• 18:17Laci Mosley?

  And I can tell you which one it is. It's definitely for like a 12 and down.

• 18:20Speaker 06

  It is because I have an 11. Right, I have an 11. So I do have that lightning cord. And I was just like, that's exactly what that is. That's exactly what that is. Yeah, that was in his junk drawer and he went just-

• 18:33Laci Mosley?

  He really didn't give it much effort. I mean, his eyes do kind of look-

• 18:36Speaker 06

  And that's masking tape too, but like, that's not even like medical like grade tape. Like that is, that is like masking tape.

• 18:42Laci Mosley?

  He just finished painting his house and he was like, you know what?

• 18:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, girl. And so we'll get into it, but literally off of this photo alone, I do not want to victim blame anybody, but-

• 18:55Laci Mosley?

  But I wouldn't look at this-

• 18:56Speaker 06

  I do have two working eyes and mama, that's the iPhone charger.

• 19:04Laci Mosley?

  It's not giving. And also like, what if he put a little makeup on around his eyes? Do you think his eyes were just naturally that red? Cause it could be giving a little hospital drag? No, no. Okay. So who is this guy? His name is DJ Kerry and he's one of Ireland's most respected sportsmen. He's been described as Ireland's Messi or Pele. So he's one of the best hurlers ever, a superstar of hurling. What is hurling? Don't worry about it, cause I don't know what it is either. Can we see an example of hurling? I want to see a-

• 19:39Speaker 06

  Oh, he has very hairy forearms.

• 19:43Laci Mosley?

  He does. Wow, they're distracting.

• 19:45Speaker 06

  They're like, yeah, that was literally the, I was like, well, damn.

• 19:48Laci Mosley?

  He would get a ball over me, cause I'd be like, what is going on? Why? And then the ball just slide back.

• 19:53Speaker 06

  All the hair left his head and went straight to his forearms.

• 19:57Laci Mosley?

  Dang, that's really what happened.

• 19:58Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 19:59Laci Mosley?

  I would be mad as hell if I went bald and I saw my, my, my forearms had all my hair on them. Like, what?

• 20:06Speaker 06

  You're like, why are you there?

• 20:07Laci Mosley?

  Why would my body do that? Why are you scurrying away from my head?

• 20:10Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:10Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 20:11Speaker 06

  His body knew.

• 20:12Laci Mosley?

  So, in ancient Gaelic, it's like an ancient Gaelic sport that's really hard to describe. It's kind of like field hockey slash lacrosse slash an egg and spoon race. And here's a pretty moving video that basically explains it. So, we're gonna learn what hurling is right now with this video.

• 20:32Laci Mosley?

  Hurling. They're running.

• 20:35Speaker 06

  Okay, catch with your hand.

• 20:36Laci Mosley?

  He's got a mitt, but he catches with his hand. Fastest game on grass, they say. They moving pretty slow, though.

• 20:45Laci Mosley?

  Okay, seems like they're just dancing with each other. All right, we got a hit. And it's going into a net.

• 20:51Speaker 06

  Uh-huh.

• 20:52Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 20:52Speaker 06

  So, okay. So, not John 3:7. They said...

• 20:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, why is that there?

• 20:59Speaker 06

  That is not...

• 21:02Speaker 06

  I wanna know what Bible verse that is.

• 21:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what is John 3:7? Sometimes we don't get reception in here.

• 21:06Speaker 06

  What is the message?

• 21:09Laci Mosley?

  What's John 3:7? I ain't been to church in a minute.

• 21:12Speaker 06

  No.

• 21:13Laci Mosley?

  No, John 3:7.

• 21:14Speaker 07

  Jesus tells Nicodemus, "You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again,' or do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'"

• 21:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so this person was just at the match, like, with their own agenda.

• 21:25Speaker 06

  Yeah, they were like, yes. They were, they were like, "Accept Jesus into your heart."

• 21:31Laci Mosley?

  And hurling.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  They said, "I can tell that you are not hurling with the love of Christ." And they were like, "You need to come."

• 21:37Laci Mosley?

  You need to be hurling in his name.

• 21:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:40Laci Mosley?

  Okay? That's why you're not wearing the game. Okay, okay, we'll take it.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  Okay. There's a big ass sign for that.

• 21:48Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm like, this feels irrelevant. Well, all right. So, in the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s, DJ Kerry, I don't like that his name is DJ Kerry 'cause it's making me feel like he's a, like a... But he's not.

• 22:01Speaker 06

  See, and I, but I do love that his last name is Carey because this whole situation, this whole scam is a Carey.

• 22:07Laci Mosley?

  It is.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  That, like that, I was like, okay, that's fitting.

• 22:10Laci Mosley?

  Right. So, right, he told everybody who he was. So DJ Carey was a five-time All-Ireland winner and multiple All-Star in hurling. One of the most decorated and acclaimed people to ever play the sport. So he's like the Michael Jordan of hurling. You know what I mean? He's just, he's just doing it. He's just hurling it. We got a video of DJ playing a little bit. And let's see if DJ was any good. But in the meantime, we just know that he's a household name in Ireland. And now he's even more famous for something else. And obviously I love Ireland. I shoot there and I have on a Celtic necklace. I really bought in. Okay, what's the crack? Having a good crack? Crack here is, you know, crack, but their crack is like fun and like laughter.

• 22:49Speaker 06

  Oh, having a good crack.

• 22:51Laci Mosley?

  So we got a little video here of DJ. Let's see if DJ is good as they say.

• 22:57Speaker 07

  Apart from an All-Ireland medal, the greatest honor a player can receive in any one year is an All-Star award. And no holler has received more of these than DJ Carey. Our next two clips demonstrate just why. The first is from the Guinness.

• 23:13Speaker 06

  Thank you so much for the clip.

• 23:16Laci Mosley?

  Right. Oh, the Irish accent is pretty strong. I, I, I can get most of them, but some I do be like, this is English, but I'm not in. And I'm smiling.

• 23:29Laci Mosley?

  Okay, they running.

• 23:29Speaker 07

  And a great spirit and determination in their ranks as well.

• 23:32Laci Mosley?

  Which one is he?

• 23:36Laci Mosley?

  What number is he? Oh, that's it. That's it.

• 23:40Speaker 07

  Still DJ. That's one they've needed.

• 23:46Laci Mosley?

  There's John 37 again. John 37 is at every game.

• 23:50Speaker 06

  What the hell is their obsession with Jesus and Nicodemus? Like, girl, what?

• 23:56Laci Mosley?

  Also, girl, it got the same sign. It's the same sign. They pulling it out for every match.

• 24:00Speaker 06

  They, right. They, they leave it in its own little case in the basement with the Christmas tree and then they bust it out when they go to the hurling matches.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  Time to go to another hurling match. Where, where John at?

• 24:08Speaker 06

  Bust out the banner.

• 24:09Laci Mosley?

  We can't leave without John.

• 24:12Speaker 06

  That is so random.

• 24:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, so now we're hurling experts. We totally know everything about it.

• 24:16Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 24:16Laci Mosley?

  And we're excited. So, the business gets in a little bit of trouble. Being a superstar hurler didn't inherently pay that much money since it's still a club sport. But his fame did open doors to sponsorships. So, sportscasting was happening for him. He was getting sport commenting gigs as well as coaching positions. So, he was getting like a little side hustle going because I didn't know about hurling until I was today years old.

• 24:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, so then truly did not know about hurling until I was today years old.

• 24:45Laci Mosley?

  So, he needed a side hustle for sure. I can't imagine being like a famous hurler and then I like see you like, I don't know, like on the side of the street corner at the, uh, at the roundabout like, you want some flowers?

• 24:54Speaker 06

  Right.

• 24:55Laci Mosley?

  Like, you've got to have side hustles. Like, you're supposed to be famous. So, during and after his hurling career, he also met multiple cleaning and gen- he had like multiple cleaning and janitorial businesses. So, okay, he's using his money wisely, started a little business. The primary one being DJ Carey Enterprises, a cleaning supplies business headquartered in his hometown of Goran. Now, why would you call it DJ Carey Enterprises? That doesn't tell me what you do.

• 25:22Speaker 06

  No.

• 25:23Laci Mosley?

  That's a scamming ass name.

• 25:24Speaker 06

  Too vague.

• 25:26Laci Mosley?

  Like, you're supposed to be, like, DJ Clary's Cleaning or it don't say cleaning, nothing says cleaning.

• 25:32Speaker 06

  That is kind of like one of those, like, Real Housewives entities.

• 25:36Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 06

  When like, there's like a housewife that's like, "Yeah, I own my own business and it's called Fierce Girl Enterprises." And you're like, "What do they do there?"

• 25:50Laci Mosley?

  Girl boss conglomerate.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  Oh, my God. Like, I, I don't even remember the name of the business, but like recently, there's like Salt Lake City reunion. Heather said something to Lisa about like, "And what is your business? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know what they do." And Lisa's like, we create experiences at my business. We, we create experiential activations. And I was like, okay, you're scamming people.

• 26:18Laci Mosley?

  Yo, anytime somebody says experience and activation in the same.

• 26:23Speaker 06

  You know they on some bullshit.

• 26:25Laci Mosley?

  What do y'all do?

• 26:26Speaker 06

  What?

• 26:26Laci Mosley?

  But what do y'all do?

• 26:27Speaker 06

  What?

• 26:28Laci Mosley?

  We told you, we activate the experience. Okay?

• 26:32Speaker 06

  It's like.

• 26:33Laci Mosley?

  Who is gonna get activated, you know?

• 26:35Speaker 06

  Hello, right. She said, cause the experience is just sitting there waiting for me to come and activate it.

• 26:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, to activate it, okay? It's sitting there dormant.

• 26:42Speaker 06

  Right, she said like a perm, you need that activator first to make it go.

• 26:45Laci Mosley?

  Get it popping, okay? That's why you need our enterprises.

• 26:49Speaker 06

  Yes, hello.

• 26:53Laci Mosley?

  So initially DJ ran these businesses with his wife Christine. In 2001 DJ's sister Katrina, who was a former international hockey and women's hurling star. Damn, y'all got an athletic ass family.

• 27:05Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:06Laci Mosley?

  This, what is this, the curry?

• 27:08Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, sister.

• 27:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay, sis looks like she can really get down.

• 27:11Speaker 06

  Right, no she do.

• 27:12Laci Mosley?

  I'm kinda scared of her a little bit with that stick.

• 27:13Speaker 06

  No, I wouldn't want her next to me in a pub fight. Like, you know she throw down, you know she throw down.

• 27:19Laci Mosley?

  We had O'Shanleys, she, she throwing bows, like, we in there.

• 27:23Speaker 06

  I'm gonna have her like just standing just like right off my left shoulder. And I'm like, a- a- and what?

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  And what, and what?

• 27:29Speaker 06

  Cause like, my girl will handle you.

• 27:30Laci Mosley?

  That's why we got this enterprise activated right now.

• 27:32Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 27:33Speaker 06

  Right, she's about to activate an ass whooping.

• 27:35Laci Mosley?

  Right, in this enterprise.

• 27:37Speaker 06

  Hello.

• 27:37Laci Mosley?

  What about that? So, the sister came in and replaced Christine, who was his wife, because they were getting a divorce. So now the wife is like, I'm leaving the business because I'm divorcing you. So the sister stepped in, probably after getting in a little fight with the wife, joined the business. Ba, ba, ba. So then in 2009 DJ switched it up again, replacing his sister with millionaire girlfriend Sarah Newman as his business partner. Sarah is famous in Ireland for being an investor on the show Dragons Den, their version of Shark Tank.

• 28:10Speaker 06

  Ah, oh, okay, got you.

• 28:14Laci Mosley?

  So, I love a bootleg Shark Tank Dragons Den. I thought it was gonna be a Game of Thrones spinoff, that's where I thought we were going.

• 28:23Laci Mosley?

  All right, let me see a little Dragons Den.

• 28:29Speaker 03

  legend DJ Kerry, Sarah is no ingenue in this area, as she is quick to demonstrate.

• 28:35Speaker 07

  Uh, Dohi, I'm Sarah. How are you?

• 28:37Speaker 06

  Goodness.

• 28:38Laci Mosley?

  She's looking at a product.

• 28:39Speaker 07

  There is absolutely a shortage of ash.

• 28:42Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 28:43Speaker 07

  Okay, so that's why a lot of hurley makers are moving abroad. I know, because I, I set one up in Slovakia myself.

• 28:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so they need ash to make the hurleys? That's that's thick.

• 28:57Speaker 07

  But that's okay. I happen to know for a fact that people will travel from all over Ireland to certain counties to buy hurles.

• 29:05Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 29:06Speaker 07

  So I like your idea.

• 29:08Speaker 06

  Okay, so when they say ash, do they mean like, because is it like the way that we think of ash? Or do the Irish have a slang for ash that means something else?

• 29:19Laci Mosley?

  Ash wood. So it's a type of wood.

• 29:21Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 29:22Laci Mosley?

  And I'm glad you said that because they got some little words for everything, honey.

• 29:25Speaker 06

  That's why I always want to double check.

• 29:27Laci Mosley?

  They're like, you got your jumper? I'm like, why can't y'all just say coat? Like, no, they, they have their little cutesy little words for things where I'll be like, what's that?

• 29:35Speaker 06

  One of my favorite things, because like, you know, they're like, they're underwear, they call pants. And then pants, they call knickers. And I'll be like, what'd you call me?

• 29:45Speaker 06

  Every time. Every time. And I just love watching the color drain from their face.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. They're the least likely.

• 29:53Speaker 06

  That's my favorite joke.

• 29:55Laci Mosley?

  Irish people are like the black people of white people. They, they are the only ones who understand the pressure.

• 29:58Speaker 06

  They do.

• 29:58Laci Mosley?

  And they really stand our business. Like, that potato family are really stuck with them. They can't let it go.

• 30:04Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:04Laci Mosley?

  When I'm over there, like, they will put potatoes with any damn thing. I'm not even joking. You get a tuna pokey, it's just gonna be a potato around there. I don't know why.

• 30:12Speaker 06

  Right.

• 30:13Laci Mosley?

  I'm like, I don't know why, but it's gonna be there.

• 30:14Speaker 06

  They said, we're so proud of these potatoes.

• 30:17Laci Mosley?

  Make it rain.

• 30:17Speaker 06

  Girl.

• 30:18Laci Mosley?

  Like, everywhere.

• 30:20Speaker 06

  I mean, I do love a potato.

• 30:21Laci Mosley?

  I mean, they make it in Ireland, had it every way. And Ireland, you gonna get it everywhere. Possible mashed, scalloped, hatched, fried, baked. Like, anything that they can do to it, they, they done did.

• 30:35Speaker 06

  Yes. You know, potatoes are really diverse. I love, you know, all the things that you could do with a potato.

• 30:41Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 30:41Speaker 06

  Like, show me, show me the way.

• 30:44Laci Mosley?

  So as a couple now, because this is Sarah and we just watched her Dragon's Den. Um, and I kinda also like her on Dragon's Den, cause she was getting a little cunty like cadence. She was like, well, we are out of ash and I think that.

• 30:59Speaker 06

  She's like, I myself have outsourced to Slovakia. I was like, okay.

• 31:03Laci Mosley?

  People will come all over Ireland. I was like, okay, maybe I need a hurling stick. What is this? What's crazy is that the whole tone seemed like so no, and then she's like, yes.

• 31:14Speaker 06

  Right. Yes, exactly. Very bad.

• 31:16Laci Mosley?

  Very girl boss of just having the tone of no, but then being like, I love it.

• 31:23Laci Mosley?

  It's very Miranda Priestly.

• 31:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 31:25Laci Mosley?

  That's all.

• 31:26Speaker 06

  Icon. That's all.

• 31:28Laci Mosley?

  So as a couple, DJ and Sarah, our icon, uh, bought a number of investment and personal properties as far as Switzerland. So they got Chalet Grace, which was named after Sarah's daughter. And that was like a luxurious $12 million Swiss holiday home overlooking the Mediterranean, or Matterhorn, rather. And you know how you need a $12 million home looking over the Matterhorn?

• 31:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, abso- absolutely. I mean, I just, just finished the remodel on my $12 million home. Um, overlooking the, what's it called? Macarons?

• 32:02Laci Mosley?

  Matterhorn. The macarons? I'm talking the macarons.

• 32:11Speaker 06

  You know, yeah.

• 32:12Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I bought the property off Timo, so it was supposed to be Matterhorn, but it is macarons.

• 32:18Speaker 06

  And I spent $12 million and the whole house fits on top of a macaron.

• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, so clearly they balling out. They got, they got some plans. And, um, I'm remembering now that, I mean, DJ Carey, he had his side hustle businesses. We haven't really learned how much money he was making off of it with the word enterprise in it. I'm not seeing maybe that's much.

• 32:43Speaker 06

  No.

• 32:43Laci Mosley?

  However, obviously Sarah is in this, uh, shark, Dragon's, uh, douche.

• 32:52Laci Mosley?

  Dragon's Den. And she clearly has an interest in hurling because she's like purchasing things with Ashwood. She know all about Ashwood. She know she she go in the Slovakia.

• 33:02Speaker 06

  Right, and now I'm gonna be looking into Ashwood being like, okay, what makes that so special?

• 33:06Laci Mosley?

  So, he is still the most famous person in hurling. So that's how you could probably pull a baddie who can, you know, drop 12 mil on a Switzerland home.

• 33:15Speaker 06

  You know?

• 33:15Laci Mosley?

  With the macaron.

• 33:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:17Laci Mosley?

  Matterhorn.

• 33:18Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 33:19Laci Mosley?

  Catriona, is that how you say that? Katrina? Oh, when was it spelled like that? Oh, yeah, this is, I forgot, this is like how, there's some Irish names that, like, you read them and they don't, they're not what they are. So everybody knows like Siobhan, like S I B O H A N.

• 33:38Speaker 06

  Yes, yes.

• 33:38Laci Mosley?

  Saoirse.

• 33:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:40Laci Mosley?

  S O A I I S E, I I can't, Saoirse Ronan, I love you. But the reason for that is the Irish alphabet doesn't have as many letters as the English alphabet. So, a lot of times they put two letters together to make a different sound. So I had to really learn, like, I would be reading people's names and I was hooked on phonics, like.

• 34:01Speaker 06

  Cause the the.

• 34:03Laci Mosley?

  That's how I was reading the names.

• 34:04Speaker 06

  Cause I'm like, but y'all, you guys, you you still speak English, so that's the thing that's crazy.

• 34:13Laci Mosley?

  Listen, the Irish got beef with the British, so they was like, we're not stopping what we've been doing.

• 34:17Speaker 06

  They said, you know what, some of these letters are getting the chop.

• 34:22Speaker 06

  They're like, we don't need all of those.

• 34:24Laci Mosley?

  And.

• 34:25Speaker 06

  Girl bye.

• 34:25Laci Mosley?

  Girl bye, okay, and that, and I honestly, I love it for them, I love it for them. Most people in Ireland speak English or some form of English.

• 34:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:35Laci Mosley?

  But, um, there is like still Gaelic.

• 34:38Speaker 06

  Gaelic.

• 34:38Laci Mosley?

  On every street. And the funny thing about Gaelic is it's like English characters, but I couldn't read none of that shit.

• 34:44Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, like, I am totally not validating the fact that they do have their Gaelic roots. And that that in and of itself is a different language.

• 34:57Laci Mosley?

  And when the British colonized there, they held on to it.

• 35:00Speaker 06

  And look at me, over here just buying into the colon. And their propaganda that everyone in Ireland just has always spoken English. You see how the scam just like permeates and it's insidious. It really is.

• 35:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, they had to educate me. I didn't know. I was like, why are these letters next to these letters? Cause I and they and they told me and I was like, oh.

• 35:21Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 35:22Laci Mosley?

  They also know a lot about their history. They don't erase their history like we do over here. Like when I tell you the average Irish person could tell me when that bridge was made. Or like, oh, this is where the original. But I'm like, how do y'all all like casually?

• 35:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 35:35Laci Mosley?

  Like, how do y'all all know everything about your history?

• 35:38Speaker 06

  They have a good schooling system.

• 35:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, they be educating their kids.

• 35:40Speaker 06

  Yeah, they really be teaching the kids.

• 35:41Laci Mosley?

  They want their kids to know stuff.

• 35:42Speaker 06

  I know. Isn't that wild? They're so crazy.

• 35:46Laci Mosley?

  Kids are supposed to know about paying taxes.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  Right. Kids are supposed to.

• 35:50Laci Mosley?

  And the mines.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  Yeah, to just like know about like contributing to corporate. Yes, corporate America and capitalism. Like, that's all that really matters.

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• 38:52Laci Mosley?

  In Dallas, they have this town. I can't remember what it's called, but just maybe you could look it up for me. But it's like a town where it's like all businesses, but it's for kids. If you put in like Dallas business town, it's probably going to come up. But when I was a kid, I'm from Dallas. We had something in Frisco called Safety Town where you can volunteer to get your hours for like your college courts and everything like that. So I volunteered at Safety Town, which was at a fire station. So I'll give tours of the fire station. I would teach classes for kids on how to like cure, like cure a bee sting. Or if you You like break your arm, how to set it with household things.

• 39:26Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:27Laci Mosley?

  You don't have to pay fifty K for an ambulance or like.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 39:30Laci Mosley?

  Back of CPR, like things like that. And then we also had a safety tower where the kids could drive around in these like little cars. And they had like um scale replicas of our town. That they could like go in and out of and it was super cute. But this is like on capitalist steroids, what this is. And it's like, okay, I don't see it here, but somebody's gonna scream it out to me who's from Texas or put it in the comments, y'all. But it is a little town in Dallas where they have a miniature like town that's set up to be replica sized for like kids who are probably like uh maybe third grade and under.

• 40:03Speaker 06

  Uh huh.

• 40:03Laci Mosley?

  And maybe fourth. And it's a town where you gotta, maybe it is Kidzania. Kidzania, so you have to go there and they immediately sign you a job. So you might be the CEO of Kidzania, so that means you gotta do payroll. And it's stressful because you gotta get the payroll out for the whole city. Or you might, like they have a podcast studio.

• 40:23Speaker 06

  Oh my god. Oh my god.

• 40:26Laci Mosley?

  And like you go, you'd be a news anchor, but they also have people who are DoorDash. They had kids doing cosplay DoorDash.

• 40:35Speaker 06

  No, I, girl, I like, look. I do not know what I would do if I ordered a DoorDash and like a third grader brought it to my door. I would be like, where is your mama? What are you doing here?

• 40:50Laci Mosley?

  Five stars.

• 40:51Speaker 06

  Right.

• 40:54Speaker 06

  I'm like, I'm calling CPS. What the hell are you doing here? Shouldn't you be at school?

• 40:59Laci Mosley?

  Right, but I do know that kids do like to cosplay as adults. But this to me feels a bit extreme because these are like name brands that are on these stores. And they really are making these kids be employed.

• 41:10Speaker 06

  And are these kids getting compensated? Or are they all like, it's just a game?

• 41:14Laci Mosley?

  Their compensation is joy.

• 41:16Speaker 06

  Uh yeah, right, because they're trying, they are trying to, they are trying to condition them.

• 41:22Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 41:22Speaker 06

  At a young age to be like, don't you love this? Don't you just love Doordashing?

• 41:31Laci Mosley?

  And don't you love not getting like money for it?

• 41:33Speaker 06

  Right, isn't that your dream?

• 41:38Laci Mosley?

  Starting earlier and earlier. Oh my goodness, but yeah, so anyways, it's one of the things I've always just been like, what? But also like, it looks kinda cool. I don't know.

• 41:49Laci Mosley?

  So Katrina had a huge falling out with DJ. Remember DJ and he's got his wife Sarah with the money. They got the chalets. And Katrina, who was his former, yeah, former business partner, also his sister. They had a huge falling out when she was forced out of the company. Well, duh, that's your sister and you forced her out of the company. I hope that falling out came with her hitting you with one of them hurling sticks. Cause she looked like she could fight.

• 42:13Speaker 06

  She said, you can get some of this ash.

• 42:14Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm gonna beat your ass.

• 42:19Laci Mosley?

  So to get back at him, she set up a rival cleaning company called Kerry Cleaning Supplies with their sister Liz and mom, also headquartered in Goran, which should have been the cleanest town in Ireland by now because they're all, now we got all these cleaning companies in Goran. At least the sister put in Kerry Cleaning Supplies.

• 42:40Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying.

• 42:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, cause now we know what you're doing.

• 42:43Speaker 06

  Yes, we know.

• 42:44Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what DJ Kerry Enterprises is doing.

• 42:46Speaker 06

  No.

• 42:46Laci Mosley?

  So we can already tell somebody's up. So in 2011, DJ Kerry Enterprises, along with his other cleaning business companies, all went bankrupt. Surprise, surprise. Maybe nobody knew what you did.

• 42:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:59Laci Mosley?

  The website was DJ Kerry Enterprise. We do stuff for you.

• 43:03Speaker 06

  Right. No, no, it told, like, I, I was just waiting for the bankruptcy because I was just all like, what are you even doing? What is your business model?

• 43:12Laci Mosley?

  Like, please, and quickly.

• 43:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, quickly.

• 43:14Laci Mosley?

  No, they were like, we, we install activations.

• 43:17Speaker 06

  Right, uh huh.

• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  So the same year, commercial court ordered DJ and Sarah to repay about $10 million in property loans to Allied Irish Banks. So that same year that he goes bankrupt. See, this is why you can't get with a man, ladies. Sarah, you was popping off on Dungeons and Dragons, Sharks and Tanks.

• 43:39Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 43:39Laci Mosley?

  And you, you got money for a $12 million house and now all of a sudden you're tied to, married to a bankrupt system.

• 43:49Laci Mosley?

  And the court is also ordering you to repay about $10 million in property loans to Allied Irish Banks. In 2012, DJ and Sarah separated. I mean, duh, you gotta get away from this man. He has driven me, woo.

• 44:02Speaker 06

  Right.

• 44:03Laci Mosley?

  Listen, you gotta be making my life better if you're gonna come into it as a man. As a woman, I believe in your potential. As a man, I need you to already have way more than I do.

• 44:12Speaker 06

  You have so much to prove.

• 44:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 44:14Speaker 06

  You have so much to prove because.

• 44:15Laci Mosley?

  The chances of you making my life worse are just way too high.

• 44:19Speaker 06

  Like, I mean, with most men, the bar is already underneath the floor.

• 44:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 44:24Speaker 06

  So it's just like.

• 44:27Laci Mosley?

  With men, it's like, you, you wake up, maybe y'all slept together for the first time, and you know, he's leaving, and you look over at your purse, and you're like, "He didn't take any money out of my wallet."

• 44:39Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God.

• 44:40Speaker 06

  He's a keeper.

• 44:41Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God.

• 44:43Speaker 06

  But then you look at your closet and then realize that he took your Margiela Tabby shoes.

• 44:49Laci Mosley?

  And I can't believe that man did that and gifted them to his girlfriend. Be serious, I will never forget that story. Because she saw the girl in her Tabby's. It was like, baby, those are my shoes. Also, girlfriend, I'm looking at you as well, because this is feeling like a scam that y'all would do it together. It's a scheme, the Todd setup. Because who is, who is, who in their right mind? Their man comes home with some shoes that definitely look like feet, but nothing.

• 45:12Speaker 06

  Right.

• 45:13Laci Mosley?

  And it's like, baby, I got you these new Tabby's. What? And you just put them on your feet, no box, no tissue paper, no nothing?

• 45:18Speaker 06

  What in the Cinderella is going on here? What? What? What?

• 45:25Laci Mosley?

  He was, he looked, he was pretty charming, all right. Charming you right out of your shoes.

• 45:29Speaker 06

  Charming you right out of your new Tabby shoes.

• 45:32Laci Mosley?

  I don't know what I, I don't think I could get back in dating if I, if, if I dated, if I slept with somebody and they stole my shoes.

• 45:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:39Laci Mosley?

  And gave them to another woman.

• 45:40Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:41Laci Mosley?

  Even if he had pawned them, I would have felt better about that.

• 45:43Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 45:43Laci Mosley?

  But you stole my shoes, and I had to see them on another bitch. She walking, she walking a mile in my shoes, literally.

• 45:50Speaker 06

  Right.

• 45:52Laci Mosley?

  No. No, that would be my 1330.

• 45:54Speaker 06

  Right, I'd be like, done.

• 45:56Laci Mosley?

  And I love that she shared that with us, because I would have took that to the grave.

• 46:02Laci Mosley?

  Jesus couldn't get that out of me. I'm at the pro gates like, I don't know what you're talking about.

• 46:06Speaker 06

  No, they could not waterboard that information out of me.

• 46:11Laci Mosley?

  So in 2012, you know, DJ and Sarah separated. Sarah, Sarah, good for you. Get away from that man. That's when some very convenient health issues started to appear. I know you guys were wondering like, DJ ain't got to the cancer yet, but now we're getting there. So cancer trouble. This is where I can't stand with DJ. I'm, I'm okay with the enterprises and things like that, but I'm very sensitive when it comes to faking real illnesses that people suffer with that take the lives of so many. Um, and obviously like a lot of us, many of us, if not all of us have been affected by it. I don't want to bring the podcast down, but I do want to say that just so you know that we're not being insensitive about this topic, but I'm about to get on DJ's ass.

• 46:50Speaker 06

  Oh yeah, I'm about to hop right in there with you and get on his ass about this one.

• 46:55Laci Mosley?

  So initially DJ told people he had multiple myeloma. A rare and treatable, but incurable blood cancer.

• 47:05Speaker 06

  That is actually what my dad died from.

• 47:08Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 47:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, multiple myeloma. So I'm really going to get on your ass, DJ. I'm about to drag the shit out of you, sir.

• 47:18Laci Mosley?

  I did not know that, Shay.

• 47:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 47:20Laci Mosley?

  I am so sorry.

• 47:21Speaker 06

  And it's a very, it's a very rare, it's like, you know, and it's really aggressive. And you know, my dad went through multiple treatments, even including like a stem cell transplant, like all of that. So I, I have seen firsthand like how terrible multiple myeloma is. So for him to, that little, okay, okay DJ, let's go.

• 47:46Laci Mosley?

  Uh oh, uh oh.

• 47:50Laci Mosley?

  So he said that he was receiving blood transfusions and hormone injections overseas in the US and needed money to travel there and back. There was no big news stories where he went on the record about his health, but he called and texted friends and fans and fellow athletes to tell them the news personally. So remember, he used to be famous athlete. So he didn't try to exploit the general public and media because the receipts would have come too quickly. They would have been having paparazzi, you know, out in front of, you know, the Keweenham Center, hospitals, things like that. Waiting for them. So when people asked why he had to go so far away for treatment,

• 48:30Laci Mosley?

  he said he had gone to a hospital in Dublin and they flooded his lungs and he had ongoing malpractice suit against them.

• 48:42Speaker 06

  So, my guy, they flooded his lungs. So they drowned you?

• 48:52Laci Mosley?

  Like.

• 48:52Speaker 06

  What did, girl?

• 48:53Laci Mosley?

  What does that mean?

• 48:54Speaker 06

  What? Yes. I'm like, did they hold you underwater in the bathtub until you could no longer breathe? And like, what, what do you mean they flooded your lungs?

• 49:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 49:06Speaker 06

  Me, picks up Google.

• 49:08Laci Mosley?

  I don't like it when a man think, man think what?

• 49:13Speaker 06

  What?

• 49:14Laci Mosley?

  So this sounds vague. Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 49:17Laci Mosley?

  But people trusted DJ when he asked for money for medical treatment because he was a household name and widely viewed as a decent man. Mind you, he just, okay, I guess his, his enterprises did go bankrupt. They weren't like fraudulent. They just went out of business.

• 49:32Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 49:32Laci Mosley?

  And bankrupt is like the get out of jail free for rich people.

• 49:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, it is. Yeah.

• 49:36Laci Mosley?

  Like, I ain't got it, y'all. And then they hide their asses.

• 49:39Speaker 06

  Right.

• 49:40Laci Mosley?

  They're like, the business ain't got it. And I'm like, isn't that a forty thousand dollar watch on our, this whole thing? This is not walking around. This is not my AP. Like, what do you mean you ain't got it? Um, yeah, so people were trusting him because he was famous and because famous equals good person.

• 49:57Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:58Laci Mosley?

  You know how famous equal good person?

• 49:59Speaker 06

  Oh, yes, because every single famous person is famously a good person.

• 50:06Speaker 06

  I mean, just look at Nicki Minaj.

• 50:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness. I was just thinking about like the best person I know in rap. And Nicki popped up immediately. I was like, the choices she makes.

• 50:18Speaker 06

  I know.

• 50:19Laci Mosley?

  You know, the people she marries.

• 50:21Speaker 06

  Right.

• 50:22Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:23Speaker 06

  The presidents that she supports. I'm just waiting for her sainthood, for her to finally be, you know, become a saint, Saint Nicki.

• 50:35Laci Mosley?

  Saint Nicholas?

• 50:38Laci Mosley?

  Makes sense, because he ain't real either.

• 50:40Speaker 06

  Girl.

• 50:42Laci Mosley?

  I don't even care, Barb. Y'all come after me. Y'all unemployed. Y'all ain't got no damn jobs.

• 50:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, y'all ain't got no damn jobs and no damn sense.

• 50:49Laci Mosley?

  At all.

• 50:50Speaker 06

  And nobody scared or worried about none of y'all.

• 50:53Laci Mosley?

  And they gonna deport your good sis as soon as that orange man is gonna talk about some gold card.

• 50:58Speaker 06

  Girl, come get her.

• 51:00Laci Mosley?

  So, back to trustworthy DJ.

• 51:02Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:02Laci Mosley?

  He's such a good guy celebrity.

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  They trusted him. And as far as actual evidence of his illness, he faked medical records and images. So, this is a medical record that he had.

• 51:19Laci Mosley?

  It's on, it's on a letterhead.

• 51:23Speaker 06

  I've faked things with letterheads that I went and got from the internet. Like, it is very easy.

• 51:32Laci Mosley?

  It doesn't look, can we zoom in on it? What does it say?

• 51:35Speaker 06

  She's like, eligible.

• 51:37Laci Mosley?

  Dear, dear.

• 51:38Speaker 06

  Oh, his name is Dennis.

• 51:39Laci Mosley?

  Dennis, okay. This whole time you been DJ.

• 51:41Speaker 06

  Dennis Carey. What's his middle name? James?

• 51:45Laci Mosley?

  Dear Dennis.

• 51:46Speaker 06

  Jonathan.

• 51:47Laci Mosley?

  Jobless?

• 51:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, jobless.

• 51:49Laci Mosley?

  Dear Dennis, thank you for attending the Fred Cruz claim yesterday. This is what it says. Can you read it just? Oh, it's just blurry. Okay. For a second, I thought I was failing the eye exam.

• 52:05Laci Mosley?

  Well, anyway, so it's like, dear James, thank you for attending this, and this is very legit, and you are definitely sick.

• 52:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 52:12Laci Mosley?

  Let's see some images. This is definitely an iPhone call. You know what's pissing me off the most about this is like... Dennis, if you're gonna do a fake cord, can you at least stick the charging part of it all the way up your nose? I can see where the plugin is.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  And here's the thing, with those oxygen tubes, when are they ever opaque? They're always clear.

• 52:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cuz you need to see.

• 52:39Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're always clear.

• 52:42Laci Mosley?

  And is it usually more than one? And if he's trying to say like this is a cancer port, wouldn't it be on your chest?

• 52:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, and also I'm like, those ones, like, cuz sometimes they do do like the single like nostril, but that's normally if it's to go like back down your throat to add like, you know, like a pathway like down into your actual airway. The ones with the two are where, you know, you can, you are able to breathe pretty well and you could just kind of breathe through your nose. But then they do do those single ones that they tape in that go all the way up and like down into the throat.

• 53:12Laci Mosley?

  So he did a little bit of research.

• 53:14Speaker 06

  He did, I mean, he saw a picture of somebody and then was just like, yeah, I think I can recreate that. But like, you could have, like, you literally could have gone to like PetSmart and got like one of the clear tubes that they use for like in an aquarium, you know, for like the oxygen that you use in your aquarium.

• 53:32Laci Mosley?

  Right. Okay, see, you know, this is a little, you know where to get this a little too fast.

• 53:40Speaker 06

  Look.

• 53:41Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I was gonna say Joann's Fabrics or something, but you were like, no. So you go to the PetSmart, you go to the aquarium aisle, you talk to Dan.

• 53:48Speaker 06

  Yes, exactly.

• 53:50Laci Mosley?

  Do you have an aquarium?

• 53:51Speaker 06

  Well, I did. We, like, me and my partner Dan, funny enough.

• 53:57Speaker 06

  We had a, we were like, oh my God, we should get a, well, first of all, it started off with a little, little, I forget what they're called. It was something else. It wasn't the, it wasn't the beta fish. We got little, like, I don't know, I forget what they are, but they look like little lobsters, whatever the hell they are.

• 54:17Laci Mosley?

  Oh, the little crappy little.

• 54:19Speaker 06

  Yes, and then, yes, and then Dan was like, oh my God, I heard that if you, that like beta fish don't bother them. Because they're like bottom feeder, so you can't put a beta fish in the tank with them. And I was just like, but beta fish are like naturally, they say that they're really aggressive and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He's like, no, I read somewhere that you can. We put that beta fish in there 20 minutes later, it had like eaten all the, and I was just like, well, there they go. They're all dead. Like watched it murder them.

• 54:50Laci Mosley?

  I love it, Dan. I heard somewhere, you just went with that. You never said ask where. You were like, he said, I said somewhere, I heard.

• 54:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, see, and my baby, he do love to do that. He'd be like, oh, my God, I saw this thing somewhere. And like, we'll say it like, it is like straight up fact.

• 55:04Laci Mosley?

  I love that, the confidence.

• 55:05Speaker 06

  Like I have to like now be like, Dan, where, where, where?

• 55:10Laci Mosley?

  Don't worry about that. Don't worry about it.

• 55:11Speaker 06

  Like he told me, it was like, oh, I read you could put the Dutch oven in the dishwasher. No, you can't. You cannot put the, the Dutch oven in the dishwasher.

• 55:20Laci Mosley?

  He heard it somewhere.

• 55:21Speaker 06

  He heard it somewhere in his own mind.

• 55:25Laci Mosley?

  That's the source. That's the source. He's like, I feel like this should work.

• 55:28Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 55:29Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I heard ba- beta fish jump you in. When you put a new fish in the tank, they'd be like squaddle up. Like you gotta like, you gotta jump in the gang. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I always say though, like people who own fish could be murderers. So I'm glad y'all got rid of that fish tank. I'm glad it wasn't for you.

• 55:45Speaker 06

  We did.

• 55:45Laci Mosley?

  Because it's a pet that you can't touch. It's a pet that you're like, ah, eat your little flakes, bitch.

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. And honestly, I was like, she was around for two days and I was just like, man, I don't want this bitch in my house no more. I was like, give her to your niece. I don't want this bitch around no more. She pissed me off. Murderer.

• 56:01Laci Mosley?

  She was a murderer. She got after it. She got active. So as far as like the illness, we got the images and the fake medical records. He told people that he was in line for a one million euro payout from the HSC, the publicly funded healthcare system in Ireland. He said that those who helped him out financially would get back what he got when that payment came through. So this is so funny to me because this is almost like a Nigerian prince scam that he's running on these people. Because he's like, I'm gonna get my payout. So y'all just flow me. And then when I get my money, like everybody will be paying. So between 2014 and 2022, he took about $400,000 for more than 20 people.

• 56:42Laci Mosley?

  And there's no record of DJ ever having cancer or being treated abroad when Irish police investigated. That was also a smooth part of his plan because he wasn't getting treated in Ireland. So there was nobody who could really check in or go to the hospitals there to see if he was there.

• 56:56Speaker 06

  Well, my, you know, I would have been like, okay, so wait, you're involved in a lawsuit with this hospital. I would have been checking the public records for that lawsuit because that, that's public. When you file, I would have been like, okay, let me be like trying to see if I can figure out like a case number, look up his name, look up the hospital because it gets like, okay, well, if this is a suit that he's filing, then he is the person lodging the complaint. So his name will be on it. So I will be looking to see if this lawsuit is legitimate. I can't believe nobody thought to just be like, let me look up and see if this lawsuit is real.

• 57:29Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And he named the hospital. So it's like you already got the name.

• 57:33Speaker 06

  Right. You named the hospital. Oh, and if I worked at that hospital, babe, if I was a representative at that hospital, you know, I would have been out in the streets being like, liar!

• 57:42Laci Mosley?

  Shame!

• 57:43Speaker 06

  Right.

• 57:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I would have been right. But we gotta get angry moms back. Like, we would have needed to hit him with an angry mom.

• 57:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, the shame bell.

• 57:50Laci Mosley?

  Shame! Shame! So the Fred Hutch Hospital in Seattle, where DJ claimed to have been treated, had no record of him being there. His doctor in Ireland had no record of him ever having cancer. There was no record in any outstanding claim against the HSE or a hospital, and he had not traveled to the US since 2015. So when questioned in December of 2022, DJ admitted that he had made up the story about being sick with cancer to buy himself time as he had substantial debt with Allied Irish banks. Because remember, they got them million dollar houses that are looking over the Montclair.

• 58:22Speaker 06

  Yes. Uh huh. And $10 million that you gotta pay back in loans.

• 58:27Laci Mosley?

  So to add insult to talk of injury, medical professionals in Ireland have said there is no need to go abroad for treatment for this type of cancer anyway. And I believe that. I don't know how your experiences with the US medical system here, but we're...

• 58:46Speaker 06

  Right, like... You going to the US to get treated? That should have been a red flag right there.

• 58:53Laci Mosley?

  Really?

• 58:53Speaker 06

  Yeah. You wanna go, so you gonna go to the ghetto?

• 58:56Laci Mosley?

  You going to the ghetto?

• 58:58Speaker 06

  Get treated. Okay.

• 59:01Laci Mosley?

  All right, if you say so. So, here's the victims. DJ often targeted well-off people that he hardly knew. And he would befriend them or play a few rounds of golf with them. Golf where it really get the scams popping.

• 59:15Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 59:16Laci Mosley?

  And then he would do all this before hitting them with the cancer news and then asking for money. One businessman said that he hadn't heard from DJ for 30 years when he got an unsolicited text message from him. What in the future?

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Right, you, I don't hear from you for 30 years and then you randomly gonna hit me up for like 20 bands?

• 59:35Laci Mosley?

  I was just thinking about you.

• 59:37Speaker 06

  Right, I was just thinking about you and...

• 59:39Laci Mosley?

  Remember that one time, little friend?

• 59:41Speaker 06

  Right, remember?

• 59:42Laci Mosley?

  30 years.

• 59:43Speaker 06

  Remember when I got that tab at the pub back when I was hurling?

• 59:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:47Speaker 06

  Well, look, baby. Let me hold 20 Gs just really, really quick. Yeah, it is literally like the same thing.

• 59:55Laci Mosley?

  If you counted 30 years of inflation, that tab that I paid and these 30, 20 bands I need from you, this gonna work out. Some of DJ's targets were asked for a donation for his alleged cancer care. Others were asked for a loan, which he promised to repay quickly. So, when he said he was suing the hospital, he was like, once I get this payment and this neck brace off, y'all gonna get y'all coins. Other people, he was like, can you donate?

• 1:00:19Speaker 06

  He said, you got it, you just, you could just, you could just give up that money.

• 1:00:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's a donation, do you ask for more from the donation person? Or do you ask for more from the loan person?

• 1:00:31Speaker 06

  More from the donation person because you're not gonna be paying that back.

• 1:00:36Laci Mosley?

  But I feel like...

• 1:00:36Speaker 06

  I mean, you're not gonna be paying back the loan person either because you're scamming them.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:00:40Speaker 06

  If you were going to have a conscience and at least try and pay back the people that you said that you're gonna pay back, I would take a smaller loan from them because then I'm like, okay, listen, I gotta pay back.

• 1:00:52Laci Mosley?

  There would be less pressure on you from them to get the money back.

• 1:00:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Laci Mosley?

  That's a good strategy because I would... I was thinking like, are people more willing to loan more money or give away more money? To me, they're one in the same, because my mom always said, like, never loan out more money than you're comfortable not receiving back.

• 1:01:09Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:10Laci Mosley?

  And I don't really loan money anymore.

• 1:01:11Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 1:01:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, everybody get their own money.

• 1:01:15Speaker 06

  Right, I'm like, I do not.

• 1:01:16Laci Mosley?

  I've done it too much, and I'm good.

• 1:01:18Speaker 06

  I'll just give you the money.

• 1:01:20Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:01:20Speaker 06

  And if I, if I feel so inclined to give it to you, I will do that, but like, I'm like, loans, no.

• 1:01:26Laci Mosley?

  Because then I just lose the resentment, because everybody be pocket washing. If I give you a loan and then I see you getting a pedicure the next day, I'm like, well dude, that's my pedicure. Those are my toes.

• 1:01:35Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's my la bo bo.

• 1:01:36Laci Mosley?

  Right. What you mean?

• 1:01:38Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:01:39Laci Mosley?

  That's my, that's my coffee.

• 1:01:40Speaker 06

  Hello.

• 1:01:40Laci Mosley?

  From the local coffee shop. Bring that to me.

• 1:01:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, where that at?

• 1:01:43Laci Mosley?

  You need to be saving back up.

• 1:01:45Speaker 06

  Right. My toes need done too.

• 1:01:48Laci Mosley?

  Right, you Instagram posting, that's my Instagram post. Bring that over to me.

• 1:01:52Speaker 06

  What are you doing on vacation in the Maldives?

• 1:01:54Laci Mosley?

  That's my sunset.

• 1:01:58Laci Mosley?

  What do you mean? So, he got more than a hundred thousand dollars, plus a London apartment and a car, out of a billionaire, Dennis O'Brien. This is one person who founded a mobile phone network called DigiCell.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  What'd you say his name was?

• 1:02:11Laci Mosley?

  I definitely know about DigiCell. Dennis O'Brien, which is like, the most Irish name ever. So this is Dennis O'Brien, and he, oh, you, he's taking it back. He, that's how he looks, Shay. He, he looked like he got a lot of money. That coat is very tight.

• 1:02:26Speaker 06

  He do look like he got a lot of money.

• 1:02:27Laci Mosley?

  That coat is very tight, though. He looked like he one stride away from just the buttons being like.

• 1:02:31Speaker 06

  Right, right. He is one sneeze away from putting somebody's eye out.

• 1:02:36Laci Mosley?

  So he founded the mobile network DigiCell, which I definitely have seen DigiCell in Europe. So at one point, Dennis asked for evidence, and this is Dennis O'Brien, the rich Dennis. He asked for evidence of the medical treatment that DJ was getting, and DJ gave him letters claiming to be from the Fred Hutch Medical Center in Seattle. Later, DJ told Dennis that he had won a handball tournament and that it made him an elite athlete in the US, and that the US government will pay for your medical treatment if you're an elite athlete. That's wrong for a couple of reasons, because like, the US ain't paying for shit, in principle.

• 1:03:07Speaker 06

  Girl, medical girl.

• 1:03:08Laci Mosley?

  Why would you ever believe that?

• 1:03:09Speaker 06

  And first of all, we don't know what hurling is over here. So, no, they're only doing that if it's football.

• 1:03:15Laci Mosley?

  Well, he said he started playing handball, so that's something we know. So now he's like, they're gonna give me a handball scholarship. You know when you have a hand.

• 1:03:23Speaker 06

  No, you mean like?

• 1:03:25Laci Mosley?

  You know when you have a hand and then you have a, and you have a ball and, um.

• 1:03:29Speaker 06

  Is there a goal?

• 1:03:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's a high scoring.

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  So is that like?

• 1:03:34Laci Mosley?

  It's like soccer where you can use your hands.

• 1:03:36Speaker 06

  Is, there's this one sport that all the gay bears like to play. Um, it's not lacrosse, but, you know.

• 1:03:42Laci Mosley?

  Racquetball?

• 1:03:43Speaker 06

  No, actually it is lacrosse. I think it is lacrosse.

• 1:03:46Laci Mosley?

  It's probably lacrosse.

• 1:03:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, cuz it's kind of like football, but it's like, yeah.

• 1:03:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's lacrosse. So this is handball.

• 1:03:54Speaker 06

  So it's kind of like that.

• 1:03:55Laci Mosley?

  There's also rugby.

• 1:03:56Speaker 06

  Rugby, that's what I'm thinking of, rugby. Thank you, thank you. That's what the, all the homosexual bears like to play.

• 1:04:03Laci Mosley?

  Woo, that's good to know. So at one point, you know, Dennis, the rich guy asked for all this evidence. DJ told him, look, I am now a handball star in the US and they, the US government is gonna pay for my medical treatment. It's, and get it poppin'. So that's wrong for a couple of reasons, no offense to handballers out there, but it's not a super important sport for us. As Shay has demonstrated by immediate confusion that she had. Not that important to us. And also, the US government is not going to help anyone pay for any kind of medical treatment because it's the US government. We don't like, the Olympic athletes gotta pay to go over there.

• 1:04:38Speaker 06

  Right, and I'm also like.

• 1:04:40Laci Mosley?

  Athletes had to, Flavor Flav had to raise money for female Olympic athletes to go compete.

• 1:04:45Speaker 06

  Hello, hello. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, also, he's not a US citizen too, and we know how we treat those here.

• 1:04:52Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 1:04:53Speaker 06

  You're not gonna be getting.

• 1:04:54Laci Mosley?

  You're not gonna be getting nothing.

• 1:04:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:56Laci Mosley?

  With some deportation?

• 1:04:57Speaker 06

  Hello.

• 1:04:58Laci Mosley?

  And it's so funny because people will train for the Olympics all their lives and then they make it to the Olympics and the US got the nerve to be like, you got some Olympics money?

• 1:05:06Speaker 06

  Girl.

• 1:05:07Laci Mosley?

  How you getting over there?

• 1:05:08Speaker 06

  Right, you got the Olympics, and then have the nerve to not even give them gold.

• 1:05:13Laci Mosley?

  And then if they get gold, like other countries will give you a pretty hefty payout.

• 1:05:17Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 1:05:18Laci Mosley?

  Like over here, they're like, you want a Wheaties box?

• 1:05:20Speaker 06

  Right. They're like, oh, well, aren't you going to get some sponsorship deals?

• 1:05:24Laci Mosley?

  You didn't get no sponsorship?

• 1:05:25Speaker 06

  You didn't get that? Oh.

• 1:05:26Laci Mosley?

  Oh, damn. That's crazy.

• 1:05:29Speaker 06

  That sucks, but thank you for bringing the gold home.

• 1:05:31Laci Mosley?

  Yes. We'll post you on the Instagram. Maybe I'll get your followers up.

• 1:05:35Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:05:35Laci Mosley?

  And we can get you some sponsors.

• 1:05:36Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:05:37Laci Mosley?

  So, yeah, you gotta go to every other country for some healthcare. I don't know what the hell he was talking about. So here's the sentencing and fate. So DJ was arrested in 2023, and he pled guilty to defrauding 13 people over a nine-year period from early 2014 to late 2022 out of 400,000 euros, which is actually way more than 400,000 dollars. So he has repaid 44,000 euros so far. He was sentenced to five and a half years in prison for fraud. His defense lawyer said he was instructed to offer a heartfelt, sincere apology to every victim at his sentencing. He was accompanied in court by a Kalarney potato farmer named John Crowley, who is still such a big fan of DJ the Hurler, he can't bring himself to be mad at the man.

• 1:06:21Laci Mosley?

  Now, I will tell you, if there's not a closed caption on this, Shay, you're not gonna... The Kalarney accent is pretty strong.

• 1:06:29Laci Mosley?

  I know that one for a fact. I know people from there.

• 1:06:31Speaker 06

  And I'm not here to stand to defend DJ Carey because you can't defend the defenseless. How can you defend him? Well, he's a friend of mine, was a friend of mine, and still is a friend of mine. He has sinned. He is a sinner. We learned when I was young about forgiveness. I'm a Catholic. I'm not really practiced Catholic much, but I live strong Catholic values. A lot of those people are very, very angry. I suppose a lot of them are very mad, very angry, bitter, very bitter with him. But a lot of people still, they feel a lot of sympathy for him. They remain quiet. They're not like me. I have a big mouth. I always do.

• 1:07:03Speaker 06

  Guess who's hiding the monies first, friend?

• 1:07:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:07:06Speaker 06

  Back comment. They still have a lot of respect for him because we have huge, huge respect as a whole. We're probably addicted to Holland, like we love Holland.

• 1:07:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 06

  But look at what's off the table. Hmm.

• 1:07:19Laci Mosley?

  He said, look, I'm gonna stand beside him.

• 1:07:21Speaker 06

  Right, he said, my man, my man, my man.

• 1:07:23Laci Mosley?

  My man, my baby.

• 1:07:27Laci Mosley?

  He was like, look, everybody sins. I said a prayer for him.

• 1:07:30Speaker 06

  Right, he's like, forgiveness, y'all.

• 1:07:33Laci Mosley?

  Forgiveness, y'all. Forgetting, y'all.

• 1:07:35Speaker 06

  Right, and forgetting, don't forget to forget.

• 1:07:42Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. So he's been letting DJ live in his house for the past six months.

• 1:07:48Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:07:49Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 1:07:49Speaker 06

  Oh. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

• 1:07:54Laci Mosley?

  So wait, is it really my man, my man, my man, my baby?

• 1:07:57Speaker 06

  So wait, he was, DJ was sentenced when? Was it twenty twenty two or?

• 1:08:02Laci Mosley?

  He was arrested in twenty twenty three.

• 1:08:04Speaker 06

  Three.

• 1:08:04Laci Mosley?

  And then.

• 1:08:05Speaker 06

  Sentenced to five years. It is only twenty twenty six, so he didn't even serve his full sentence? They gave him the Gen Shaw treatment too? They said, oh, you could do like a little bit of time and then we'll let you out. Ooh. I hate that.

• 1:08:19Laci Mosley?

  So the reason that he was able to live with him was because he was sentenced to five and a half years in prison, but he didn't have to start serving his sentence till shortly after that. So he had six months where he could have lived with his number one supporter.

• 1:08:33Speaker 06

  His number one fan.

• 1:08:34Laci Mosley?

  His bestie, Boogie Love.

• 1:08:36Speaker 06

  Bestie. Hmm. I wonder what that roommate situation was like?

• 1:08:39Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:40Speaker 06

  Like, was he even a good roommate?

• 1:08:42Laci Mosley?

  And so DJ's sister Katrina, who ran the rival cleaning business with their mother, is also awaiting trial in twenty twenty seven for money laundering. Damn.

• 1:08:51Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:08:52Laci Mosley?

  She really looks up to her brother. Because she was like, oh, my brother doing sports, I'm doing professional sports. Oh, my brother got a cleaning company, I got a cleaning company. My brother doing fraud, let me get some of that.

• 1:09:03Speaker 06

  Let me get a little piece of that too. She said, looks fun.

• 1:09:07Laci Mosley?

  Little sister activities. I'm gonna follow your footsteps.

• 1:09:09Speaker 06

  Right.

• 1:09:10Laci Mosley?

  All the way to prison.

• 1:09:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh, be so for real.

• 1:09:14Speaker 06

  My goodness.

• 1:09:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh. Well, that brings us to the end of an amazing episode. Shay, we always ask on the show, where would you like to be found?

• 1:09:21Speaker 06

  Yes, um, you can find me, uh, on Instagram. You can find me on Threads. You can find me on, uh, maybe TikTok for still for, for the foreseeable future. YouTube, um, and then Twitch. I will be starting a book club. Um, and then, yeah, you could just like catch me out here in these, uh, virtual streets, normally complaining about this current administration.

• 1:09:49Laci Mosley?

  As, as you should.

• 1:09:49Speaker 06

  Call your senators.

• 1:09:51Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Pull up on them.

• 1:09:53Speaker 06

  Yeah, no, for real.

• 1:09:55Laci Mosley?

  As always, guys, you can find me at D I B A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. If you want to see all of these photos and the amazing, um, drag that, um, DJ did for his cancer moment, uh, you can see those at Scam Goddess Pod on Instagram. And y'all, you can get my books, Scam Goddess Pod, anywhere that books are sold, including audiobooks. And we are going on a live mini tour, y'all. We're starting March 26th in Chicago at the House of Blues. Then we are headed April 9th to Irving, Texas, where I'll be doing the Punchline Comedy. I am from Dallas, Texas. Irving, you better show up and show out. Chicago, you already know how we get down, so I better see y'all, too. Um, April 18th, I will be at the Grand Mercy Theater in New York City. You already know it's going up, down, and all around.

• 1:10:38Laci Mosley?

  And then finally, I will be at the Cobb's Theater. And I forgot that date, but it's in April. And just go click in the link in my bio, okay? Um, and congregation, I really want y'all to get out there and stay hurling.

• 1:10:52Speaker 06

  Stay hurling.

• 1:10:54Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros. And our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

• 1:11:13Speaker 04

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