An Abortion Story (FBF)

How are we not advanced enough as a society where women are equal to men? Alex Cooper examines the reality women are facing in the fight to preserve autonomy over their bodies. This episode discusses adult subject matter, including descriptions of sexual assault and rape and is intended for adult consumption only. Listener discretion is advised. If you or someone you know has been sexually assaulted, confidential 24/7 help is available. Chat online at: https://online.rainn.org Call someone at: 800.656.4673. For additional resources, please visit www.callherdaddy.com/free-nudes.

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• 2:28Alex Cooper?

  I am currently on my way to a preferred women's health center

• 2:36Alex Cooper?

  where women in Charlotte, North Carolina, get abortions. It's a Saturday, so the clinic is probably gonna be pretty busy. Saturday also is probably when a lot of protesters will be here. If there's one episode of Call Her Daddy that people should watch and listen to, it's this one.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  Fifty years worth of women's rights in America overturned in an instant.

• 3:11Speaker 04

  And ended a woman's constitutional right to an abortion.

• 3:14Speaker 05

  Overturning Roe puts every single one of us in danger.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  Your children have done nothing wrong to deserve the best sentence today. They deserve an end in the crosshairs. Did you choose life? If you made it, did you choose life? No, with the clinic. There's the ultrasound down there. Just go park there, okay? Go ahead. Go down there to the ultrasound. You're good. Come on, keep driving. Inside that building, you are not gonna find hope. You are not gonna find health. You're not gonna find joy or peace or any of those things inside that building, because none of those things can come from the murder of your innocent children.

• 4:14Speaker 03

  You don't have to go in there today. Don't follow the path of the wicked that are driving you, that are bringing you into this building, lying to you about the humanity of your child, leading you like sheep into the fire. Hi there, I'm a volunteer at the clinic. You're welcome, yeah. Ma'am, no matter what you're going through, your baby's heart is beating. That baby is precious in the sight of the Lord. God's word says the six commandments God says: Bow down to murder.

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• 7:49Speaker 06

  I'm Calla Hales. I'm the Executive Director of a Preferred Women's Health Center, and this is my ninth year being here.

• 7:55Alex Cooper?

  So, your parents started this clinic?

• 7:58Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 7:58Alex Cooper?

  In what ways has your clinic been impacted by the overturn of Roe v. Wade?

• 8:03Speaker 06

  This is easily the most desperate I've ever seen patients, which is very frustrating. However, like, we do focus on the fact that we are still helping patients live their best lives.

• 8:12Alex Cooper?

  Because like, as an outsider just coming in and seeing the protesters, immediately I'm like, holy shit, this is hell.

• 8:18Speaker 06

  And this is like, an easy day.

• 8:25Speaker 06

  Once you get here and you're driving to the clinic, you're driving past these folks who are calling themselves pregnancy counselors. But they're not with the clinic. And they're specifically trying to stop patients, to explain to them why they shouldn't have an abortion, or what they can do instead.

• 8:43Speaker 06

  You're seeing these patients and their companions come in, and you start hearing people yelling at you and being like, "You're a murderer, you're a slut, mama, don't kill your baby."

• 8:55Speaker 06

  They're so loud that you can hear it through the doors and through the walls. And it is traumatizing.

• 9:04Speaker 06

  One of the worst and most uncomfortable feelings to have is when a patient comes in and like is so distraught and so upset and you know you ask them what's wrong and they're like, "Am I gonna die?" I'm like, "Honey, why did you come in if you thought you were gonna die?" And she was like, "Well, I can't have this baby." But the guy outside tells me that like people die here all the time and I'm like...

• 9:24Alex Cooper?

  The fact that you felt like you were submitting yourself to what you thought could be certain death is just so heartbreaking.

• 9:34Speaker 04

  Well, now that abortion laws can be determined by each state...

• 9:36Speaker 06

  Conservative America is tightening its grip. So, we knew that the United States Supreme Court was gonna overturn Roe v. Wade. Fuck, and I mean this with all disrespect in my heart, you. 26 states will ban abortion. You're talking about 36 million women of reproductive age.

• 9:56Speaker 03

  A 15-year-old girl, my rights are being threatened. And I came here because I'm hoping to not allow these government officials who think they have control over my body to do what they're doing and take us back 50 years of fighting. The day that the ruling came down, I had to immediately call up my staff and tell them to stop seeing patients because in Alabama, we had a law that said that all abortion was illegal and anyone who was involved could be put in jail.

• 10:27Speaker 03

  I'm Robyn Marty. I am Operations Director for West Alabama Women's Center and until a few months ago, it provided about half of the abortions in the state of Alabama. Now it just does reproductive health care.

• 10:38Alex Cooper?

  As we sit here today, how many states have made abortion illegal?

• 10:43Speaker 03

  At this point, we have 14 states where there's no longer legal abortion. Now that Roe v. Wade has been overturned, all of the states get to decide individually whether or not there will be legal abortion and they don't have to have it legal in their state at all. A lot of times, people think, "Okay, that means I have to go to the next state over in order to get an abortion." Where I'm from in the South, in the Gulf Coast, there's no legal abortion anywhere.

• 11:08Alex Cooper?

  So is that when people are referring to like an abortion desert?

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, an abortion desert means that you have hundreds of miles that you have to go through in order to be able to access a legal clinic.

• 11:24Alex Cooper?

  There have been bills in a number of states to ban common forms of birth control, not abortion, birth control. I think every woman in America needs to know this. Should women be nervous and worried that birth control and Plan B could potentially become illegal?

• 11:44Speaker 03

  Oh, God, yes. I'm so terrified of it. Specifically in Alabama, we think the next legislative session, that emergency contraception is going to be banned. And we think this because right after the, right after the decision, there was a reporter who went through and asked all of the representatives whether they would consider banning emergency contraception next. And the worst part was, most of them responded, "I don't really know what that is, but yeah, that sounds like a good thing to ban. I don't know how it works, but yeah, we should ban it." Because that's what we're at. I don't know how it works, but yes, let's get rid of it.

• 12:23Speaker 05

  Your baby's heart started beating in your room, just below your own heart.

• 12:30Speaker 05

  If you can't name, by part of a woman's reproductive system, you don't deserve an opinion on women's reproductive healthcare. You're not pro-life, you're pro-forced birth. Women are not your incubators. Your religion does not have a place in my doctor's office.

• 12:55Alex Cooper?

  I drove up to the clinic while this protest is going on, and I was shaking. It's fucking terrifying. There's so much shame as I was driving. A man just started screaming, "Murderer, murderer." And a woman shoved her face at my car window, and it's like, "Did you choose life? Did you choose life? Did you choose life?" There's ultrasound down there. Just go park there, okay? The shame that they're trying to inflict on these women, the confusion also of like how they make you feel, it's so overwhelming. And it's, I can't, I cannot even imagine waking up in the morning to get an abortion and to have to fucking deal with this bullshit. It is, it's insane.

• 13:41Speaker 03

  I am Christy Kelly. My regular job is I'm a corporate accountant. And I have been volunteering in like some sphere of reproductive justice for off and on 20 odd years.

• 13:52Alex Cooper?

  Your job is escort and?

• 13:54Speaker 03

  Defender.

• 13:55Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So can you describe what those jobs do?

• 13:58Speaker 03

  Sure. So escort's job is to, you know, once the patient's in the parking lot, you get them from their vehicle into the clinic door. And the whole point is just to shield them as much as possible, you know, to maintain their privacy and dignity. And to try to shield them from, you know, a lot of the rhetoric and really nasty things.

• 14:15Alex Cooper?

  Do the protesters ever provide misinformation to the patients?

• 14:19Speaker 03

  A better question would be, do they ever not provide misinformation? They try to say things that are not true, like if you go in there, you will die, and abortion is not safe. And abortion is incredibly safe. It is safer, if you ever had a root canal or gotten your wisdom teeth out, you were in way more danger.

• 14:35Alex Cooper?

  It's all scare tactics.

• 14:37Speaker 03

  Mostly, yeah, and shame. Yeah, shame and fear is the easiest thing to learn about, like the anti-choice stuff and all of that. It's not about babies. It's never, ever, ever about babies. It's about control.

• 14:49Speaker 02

  We are having a conference here.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  And I'm trying to enlighten these nice folks of their slavery descent and their need to repent and put their faith in Jesus. I'm free. I'm good. I'm concerned about yours as well. Why do you think my soul is in jeopardy? Because you're supporting the murder of children. You're in rebellion to God because children are being murdered inside of there. What if I don't believe in God? How can I be in rebellion to somebody if I don't believe in? I mean, you can stand on an interstate and say, I don't believe in Mack trucks if one coming at you at 70 miles an hour. So you are equating God with a Mack truck? And you need to bow before me when you address me. Oh, I will never bow before you, you dumbass. I've always felt royal, ever since I was born. Well, of course you felt royal, you're a white man. Do you believe in equality of women and men?

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Um, I believe in equality of value, yeah. I don't believe in equality of function, like literally men and women have different functions with their, with their bodies, the way their bodies operate. What is your goal when you show up to this place? My goal is to...

• 15:50Alex Cooper?

  Try to persuade people not to take the innocent lives of their children and offer them alternatives. Something like that. It's a man's issue. I do think abortion is a man's issue, yes. If men didn't take advantage of women and have sex with them outside of marriage, then this wouldn't be a thing. Do you think that it would be helpful if men all at a young age got vasectomies? And then when they were ready to financially be able to support a child, then they get it reversed? Are you suggesting that the government institute that as a government program? At this point, we're regulating the uteruses. We could also regulate the penises, right? I mean... If we're forced to have the kids... You believe that? I'm just asking you. Do you think that would help?

• 16:34Alex Cooper?

  Um, I don't know. I don't think it would be helpful for society.

• 16:56Alex Cooper?

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• 18:22Speaker 06

  I'm Shannon. I am the Executive Director of Charlotte for Choice, which is a nonprofit that helps defend and escort patients coming into the clinic. What do you make of the term pro-life? I don't use it because these folks are pro-life would be taking care of the children they're born, working with houseless population, helping others. They don't. They also believe that, you know, help yourself. We'll give you everything you need up to two years of life. That's what the antites tell the patients. We will give you a lavish baby shower for everything you need up to two years of life. There's a little bit more involved. So let's talk about this RV because this is, this is crazy.

• 19:07Alex Cooper?

  This is evil and you know, you know, in your heart that this is the murder of your child.

• 19:13Speaker 06

  What is happening in this RV? What is the purpose of the RV?

• 19:15Alex Cooper?

  You can have a free ultrasound and see your precious baby.

• 19:19Speaker 06

  They allegedly have an ultrasound. They say they have a nurse that gives you ultrasound. They try to get patients to come on the RV.

• 19:28Alex Cooper?

  Young women, we have real help for you today.

• 19:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, perhaps they give ultrasounds, but while they're doing that, they're trying to convince them as to why they need to continue the pregnancy.

• 19:38Alex Cooper?

  Please do not do this today.

• 19:41Speaker 06

  They also use this opportunity to hopefully get the patients to not make their appointment, miss their appointment time. I can't actually remember a time where an ultrasound from that bus was accurate. I've had folks come in and say, well, they said they couldn't see anything, like I was too early to be seen, or you tell them they're too far along to be seen to begin with. Like there's, there's real manipulation here that really works to keep a patient from getting services.

• 20:08Alex Cooper?

  We don't take money for what we do. They don't want you to have any other choices for death, but we have many choices. Help for health.

• 20:16Speaker 04

  Food, a big baby shower for your child that covers close to two years of the baby's life.

• 20:23Speaker 03

  If you're gonna tell someone, "We have resources for you," be honest about what those resources are. If you take resources from them, they make them sign this like really elaborate contract. You have to give them access to going to medical appointments, to posting your image and your potentially future child's image on social media. They get to use you as a bargaining chip success story. That's pretty gross. That's really, really exploitative. And there's a huge element of, you know, white saviorism to it, too. That is extra gross.

• 20:52Alex Cooper?

  It does feel very manipulative.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  Right. Because they're gonna say, "We have resources. We can do this, this, this, this, and this for you." They don't. "We've looked at those pamphlets." They're the number to the local social services. It's how to apply for Medicaid, how to apply for food stamps. How is that helping someone?

• 21:06Speaker 04

  Inside that building, you are not gonna find hope.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  We hear the religious right say that it's okay to do those kind of lies because it's for a good cause. It's for God.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  God's word says, "The sixth commandment God says, 'Thou shalt not murder.'"

• 21:21Speaker 03

  And it just terrifies me because when you feel that every person who is for bodily autonomy is evil.

• 21:32Speaker 04

  They don't believe their lies and deception of this world. They're wicked people.

• 21:37Speaker 03

  Everything's justified. They believe that they are fighting the spiritual battle and we are the devil. (Inaudible)

• 21:57Speaker 04

  I don't care how many of y'all come out here. I don't care how many times you come out here. People are gonna get abortions. Abortion is still legal in North Carolina. We are still free. You uphold white supremacy. You uphold the legacy of slavery, forced to.

• 22:21Speaker 03

  Childbirth.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  How does religion play a part in the fight for women to have access to this type of healthcare?

• 22:33Speaker 03

  Well, their religion doesn't like women.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  When you look at all of the language in the decision that overturned Roe v. Wade, it's all harkening back to the 15 and 1600s, when women were possessions that were traded for cows and used to make alliances, but they weren't people. They didn't have any control over their lives. And that's what they like. They like the idea of women as possessions. They like the idea of women as something that they can move around and bend around and will do whatever it is that they want. And what better way to do that than to have her exhausted and constantly pregnant? Being able to control your own body gives you independence. And that's not something that they enjoy. That's not something they like. And apparently, it's not something that is part of their Christianity.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  My name's Kristen Smith.

• 23:23Speaker 05

  My name is Rana.

• 23:24Alex Cooper?

  My name's Nick. I'm a non-binary person. My name is Jack. My pronouns are they/them.

• 23:28Speaker 05

  My name is Victoria Orefel, and I had an abortion. I had an abortion.

• 23:32Alex Cooper?

  I had an abortion when I was 20 years old. I found out I was pregnant when I was in my early twenties. And I had an abortion in Texas in 2017.

• 23:39Speaker 03

  The condom broke. I went and got a Plan B. That did not help. And when I found myself in that position, you know, the partner I had at the time, we had a really tumultuous and complicated relationship that was not healthy.

• 23:54Alex Cooper?

  I was unemployed. I was just in a period of a lot of instability. I was living with a bunch of roommates. It was like the worst time to find out I was pregnant.

• 24:06Speaker 05

  I got pregnant just after my 40th birthday. Like many people who have abortions, I was already a mom at the time. I have three kids, and last year in May, I found out that we were pregnant with our fourth. It was unexpected, but we quickly got excited. We found out it was a boy, and we named him Case. Everything was perfect, up until my 20-week ultrasound. I knew from the moment that I saw the part.

• 24:35Alex Cooper?

  Pregnancy test that I did not want to continue the pregnancy. I felt my heart sink to like the bottom of my stomach and I I remember I was just crying, crying because I was afraid.

• 24:48Speaker 05

  I knew in my soul that I couldn't watch Case be born to struggle to breathe, to go through any type of pain, to just lay there and watch him die. I just, I couldn't imagine it. So um I scheduled, I called the the clinic in DC and I scheduled an appointment.

• 25:07Alex Cooper?

  For me, it was not a hard decision to have an abortion. I was already struggling to balance work and being a parent. I felt like my kids deserved a hundred percent of my attention.

• 25:19Speaker 05

  I did have to face protesters on that day. And it made it really hard, you know, it honestly was just really humiliating to have to listen to people scream about me and, you know, tell me I'm a bad person for making a medical decision that has nothing to do with them.

• 25:43Alex Cooper?

  Having an abortion is probably one of the best things that's ever happened to me. Having that access is one of the best things that's ever happened to me. It gave me freedom. It gave me a life. I absolutely would not have been able to carry that to term. There is no way I would have survived that. I would have made sure I didn't survive that. I do think about that pregnancy and think about what my life would have been like if I had added another child to our family at that point. And I'm very glad I made that decision. I felt so relieved that I could finally move on with my life, that I could finally heal. I wanted to graduate. I wanted to study abroad.

• 26:24Alex Cooper?

  I wanted to do so many things and because of my abortion, I'm now figuring those things out.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  And it changed my life for the better. Having the right to an abortion, having my abortion, it saved my life. It allowed me to become a parent when I was good and ready over a full decade later. It meant that I could grow my family on my own terms, according to my own timeline, with a PhD degree in hand and pursuing a career I care about deeply. It meant that I could live my life in the way that I knew was best for me.

• 27:17Alex Cooper?

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• 29:21Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:22Alex Cooper?

  You're pregnant.

• 29:23Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 29:24Alex Cooper?

  Like, is that almost to them like confusing? Like, oh, the woman that's helping give abortions is pregnant now. Like, how do they treat you?

• 29:31Speaker 06

  Um, some of them, it really does radically fuck with their heads. Last time I was pregnant, I gave, uh, I gave birth during COVID. And after I gave birth, I had complications. My daughter had complications and that information got out somehow. Um, and that led to a lot of protesters being like, this is, this is punishment. Your, your daughter's gonna die. Like, this is gonna be punishment for all those babies you killed. This is your karma. This is your retribution. I used to take it really personally. I don't as much anymore, um, just because of the fact that

• 30:08Speaker 06

  if you did, if you took it personally, like it would eat you alive. I feel like that's what they want, though. I, they wanna eat you alive. They want you to quit. They want you to just make their lives easier.

• 30:18Alex Cooper?

  You have been personally attacked because of the work you do.

• 30:26Alex Cooper?

  Do you mind sharing what happened to you in Raleigh?

• 30:29Speaker 06

  Um, so when I was still in Raleigh, um, I had just gotten out of grad school and moved back down. And like most people who are new to a, an area, you, you know, you make friends, you, you go on dates and things like that. And I unfortunately went on a date with someone who I thought was normal and wasn't. Um, uh, it turned out to be a protester who knew me and knew my family and knew what I did and had a lot of feelings about it. And in turn took that out on me. And I was attacked and assaulted.

• 31:32Speaker 03

  I know her tells. She needs a sign.

• 31:36Speaker 03

  Oh, no.

• 31:39Speaker 06

  She's seen me do this way too many times.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  I'm sad because I don't think people understand.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  It's very hard. It's hard to be an open book. It's

• 31:53Speaker 03

  difficult to live life really publicly. And it's it's difficult when you know that there are people that want to cause you harm. And Calla is so unbelievably brave. And she just keeps coming back and she does it over and over and over again.

• 32:10Speaker 03

  You good?

• 32:14Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, you're still working in this field. It's very close to you and your family, but to have something happen to you like that, like, how did you move on?

• 32:28Speaker 06

  There's a certain level that you don't move on. I will say that it still comes up. It catches me off guard when it still comes up. Obviously, I was caught off guard in this conversation. Because you lock it, you just lock it down and you keep moving. It's like that is a thing. It happened and I have to now see patients who are in that exact situation, too. So if I can use that to help them and understand them. One of the things that I do try to be kind of open about is, and like I keep, like Robin said, like, I keep coming back and I keep being this open book is because

• 33:02Speaker 06

  quite honestly, people need that and they need to know that they can talk about it.

• 33:16Alex Cooper?

  I grew up in a church. I know the Bible. I know the true love of Jesus Christ. These people, they don't know love. They spread hate. They take His name in vain and spread a message of hate and disgust and vile. Scared little man. Terrified little man. When women are not free. When women are not free. No one is free. We are not here because men have decided that they have sovereign power over our bodies, our voices. They're not pro-life. They're pro-hypocrisy, pro-birth, and pro-control.

• 34:00Alex Cooper?

  All they really care about is controlling and suppressing women. We need to let them know that this is our bodies and we do what the fuck we want to do with our bodies.

• 34:12Alex Cooper?

  This is not exclusively a healthcare issue. It has become, it is, political. And in order to have autonomy over my own body, I need to get out there and vote. It's like, why do I have to vote to have control over my own body? How are we not progressed enough as a society where women have equal rights to men?

• 34:36Speaker 03

  That's a fabulous question. How long we should podcast? I mean, everything's about inequality, but also it's not just about women not being equal to men. It's about white patriarchal men who are terrified of the idea of losing power because when they grew up, they've always been the ones in charge. They've always been the ones likely to be running the board meetings. They're the ones that get called on the most in class. They've always been in charge. So much of it is about control, and that does take you back to the patriarchy. If you... You are not assigned male at birth. You have less power in this country. You just do. At some point, we're going to get to a place where people are going to have to challenge laws. And you challenge laws by breaking them. It's something that, quite frankly, I'm doing at this moment

• 35:21Speaker 03

  by saying it on a camera because I could get charged with conspiracy in my home state of Alabama. But everybody should have access to an abortion. Everybody can get access to an abortion, and they can do that by accessing pills online. Every person can do that regardless of their state by going to aidaccess.org, ordering pills, and having them.

• 35:41Alex Cooper?

  Interesting, the concept of breaking laws. And let's see, because if every single woman in America, if we all join together and we decide, no, we're actually, we do deserve abortion. It's my fucking body. I'm going to do whatever the hell I want.

• 35:58Speaker 03

  There was this amazing protest where 100 women got together and took medication abortion out in the middle of the public square. Two of them were actually doing actual pills. The rest of them were taking Tylenol or something. Nobody knew who was who and what was what. No one was arrested. That's the kind of shit we need to be doing.

• 36:16Alex Cooper?

  What will happen when the government in Alabama sees this?

• 36:20Speaker 03

  That's an excellent question, and it's one that I'm ready for. At some point, you have to decide what you're willing to do in order to make change.

• 36:32Alex Cooper?

  I don't think a lot of people understand what's going on, which is essentially a war against women and our bodies. Coming here has opened my eyes, and I feel so grateful because there's never been a greater moment that Daddy Gang can actually affect what's going on in the world. Like, we genuinely can make a difference and change, and I hope this episode shows. Like, this is us. This, we are the women that could potentially also be going through this one day. And so if we don't fight for ourselves, who the fuck is going to?

• 37:11Alex Cooper?

  What would be your rally cry to people in America that are listening to this in their dorm rooms, at home, in their apartments, wherever they are listening? What would you say to them? First off is fight. When you fight, you start building strength. When you start getting up, when you start getting momentum, when you start moving, you're getting ready.

• 37:29Speaker 06

  To battle. And that's, I hate to use that terminology, but that's, that's what's going on. This is a very much a battle. I know it's a broken system and that voting is such a hard thing in this country and so complicated, but it's a broken system we have and to ignore it just means downfall faster.

• 37:49Speaker 03

  The idea of hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, you just scorned a whole fucking nation of women and they are coming for you. Like, that is the thing that gets me through every day is the thought of the reckoning. I call it the reckoning in my head because of course I do. And it's going to be amazing and I can't wait to watch it. And your audience is who is going to change everything because they're the ones who are going to be the most impacted by this. They are the first generation who is going to know what it's like to grow up without reproductive rights, that is going to have to face the idea that there are a bunch of men in power that think that they deserve less, that they don't deserve to have control over their

• 38:34Speaker 03

  bodies, that they don't deserve to have sex just for pleasure. Like, what good is a world without sex for pleasure? And they're gonna fight for it.

• 38:59Alex Cooper?

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