Richard E. Grant: Nigella recommends restaurants to me! Take your holiday food and drink seriously

Be honest... do you pick your holiday destination based on the food you can eat there? You’re in good company – that’s just what Richard E. Grant does! Welcome to The Happy Place Guide To Holidays! In this chat – brought to you by British Airways Holidays – Fearne and Richard share their thoughts on how to take your holiday food and drink more seriously, including asking mates (Nigella Lawson, if you’re Richard!) for recommendations, looking for restaurants with small menus, and testing ingredient quality via a Caesar salad starter. They also get into a heated debate about whether perusing the aisles of a foreign supermarket is the best way, or the worst way, to spend your holiday! And Richard offers to pack Fearne’s suitcase for a very specific reason... Plus, Richard explores why grieving can make us more likely to notice the little joys in life, as well as wondering if we all need praise and accolades to some extent. British Airways Holidays are ATOL protected, offer a 24hr holiday helpline, and allow you to book with a low deposit. All holidays include a generous baggage allowance per person. Go to Ba.com/holidays http://Ba.com/holidays to find out more. Child on the line is a three-part documentary podcast series celebrating the Volunteer Counsellors of Childline, and the brave children & young people who contact the helpline service. Listen here: https://www.childonthelinepodcast.com/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:28Fearne Cotton?

  Hello and welcome to the Happy Place Guide to Holidays, brought to you by British Airways Holidays. I'm Fern Cotton and today I'm chatting to Richard E. Grant.

• 0:39Speaker 02

  There's a restaurant called La Petite Maison in Nice, right on the seafront. And they, off-menu, have a baguette that is filled with butter, melted butter, and stuffed with shaved black truffle. I've never eaten anything that is quite as good. You have to take out four mortgages and bribe the woman who runs this restaurant, but that is somewhere I would go to.

• 1:08Fearne Cotton?

  So this is, of course, Happy Place, but maybe a little sunnier, a little warmer than your regular episodes. This is the Happy Place Guide to Holidays, an exclusive mini-series brought to you by British Airways Holidays. They're all about helping you take your holidays more seriously, and this series is all about making the most of our travels. In each episode, we're getting to grips with the things that I and you lot, according to British Airways Holidays, love most about going on holiday. Things like getting to actually read a book uninterrupted. Oh, can you imagine? Discovering new passions and taking time out for some much-needed self-care. Today, oh boy, we are going to get stuck in to a real treat of a topic: food and drink.

• 1:53Fearne Cotton?

  And I know this chat is going to resonate with so many of you, because according to a recent YouGov survey commissioned by British Airways Holidays, 69% of us agree that food is an important factor in picking where we want to go on holiday. I wonder if you're one of these people who proper- Crafts their entire itinerary around finding local specialities and viral dishes. High chance of the latter, given 40% of you have tried a dish on your travels that was inspired by something you saw on social media. I'm totally with you. I'm more than happy to put the research ahead of time to make sure I'm finding the most delicious food while I'm away. And I know today's guest, the delectable Richard E. Grant feels the same.

• 2:37Fearne Cotton?

  Now, we had this chat a couple of weeks ago, and can I just say, Richard is the most fun ever. He is such a hoot, and also he's an incredibly deep thinker. So as well as all the delicious food chat, we really got into big emotions like grief. Because all this stuff makes up real life, doesn't it?

• 3:17Fearne Cotton?

  It's very good to see you again.

• 3:18Speaker 02

  And you.

• 3:19Fearne Cotton?

  Well, you came on the podcast a couple of years ago now.

• 3:21Speaker 02

  I did, yeah.

• 3:23Fearne Cotton?

  So much to catch up on. It's ridiculous. Have you had a good summer so far?

• 3:27Speaker 02

  All, yeah, all good.

• 3:28Fearne Cotton?

  Dun Wimbledon?

• 3:29Speaker 02

  Dun Wimbledon.

• 3:30Fearne Cotton?

  Is that good?

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, really good. I'm going again tomorrow.

• 3:32Fearne Cotton?

  Are you?

• 3:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 3:33Fearne Cotton?

  Are you big into tennis?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  It's the only sport that I know anything about and play.

• 3:37Fearne Cotton?

  I know nothing about tennis.

• 3:40Speaker 02

  I know who David Beckham is because he's married to Victoria.

• 3:43Fearne Cotton?

  Correct.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  I did Spice Well the movie with 25 years ago. So I know him, I know who he is. And I knew who George Best was.

• 3:50Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  Because my father was an alcoholic and George Best was an alcoholic.

• 3:54Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  So that's about as much. Somebody asked me today who Christian Ronaldo, what I knew about Christian Ronaldo. And I said, I've heard his name, but in the same way that he would know me from a bar of Lifebuoy, so I don't know who he is. So.

• 4:11Fearne Cotton?

  I know nothing about football either.

• 4:13Speaker 02

  Oh, he's a footballer.

• 4:14Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, tennis seems, it's a delightful sport to enjoy. There's like a nice social setting, the food and drinks really good. Delightful.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  Yes, competitive and it's short.

• 4:25Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, yeah, that's great. So you're gonna go again tomorrow. Have you been chilling in the garden a lot, listening to Barbra Streisand?

• 4:31Speaker 02

  Streisand.

• 4:32Fearne Cotton?

  Streisand.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Yes. Um, yes, because her new album, her thirty seventh studio album that she released at the age of eighty three, ten days ago, I was sent an advanced copy of it two weeks before. And if you're trying to shame me in feeling embarrassed about my

• 4:50Fearne Cotton?

  Are you joking?

• 4:51Speaker 02

  Addiction to Barbara.

• 4:51Fearne Cotton?

  Not at all.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 4:52Fearne Cotton?

  I celebrate it.

• 4:53Speaker 02

  Good. So, yes, I have been listening to it pretty constantly.

• 4:57Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I saw your review on Instagram and I was like, I'm in. I mean, what a voice.

• 5:02Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 5:03Fearne Cotton?

  What a voice.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  I agree. There's not many people that are releasing albums of that quality in their ninth decade.

• 5:09Fearne Cotton?

  No, and still able to belt it out.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Still able to do it, yeah.

• 5:12Fearne Cotton?

  It's something else. I mean, you've got a full figurehead of her face in your garden.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  I do. I commissioned a sculpture.

• 5:19Fearne Cotton?

  How beautiful.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:20Fearne Cotton?

  I love that. And there's no shame. I mean, I've got.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:23Fearne Cotton?

  I have not got cool music taste at all. I, I, I like all sorts of, I'm Hanson, put them in there. I like Hanson. Umbox is an absolute tune.

• 5:32Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 5:33Fearne Cotton?

  There's no shaming from me. Um.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Anything that makes you happy.

• 5:37Fearne Cotton?

  Anything that makes you happy.

• 5:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:39Fearne Cotton?

  Something that makes you very happy is gardening.

• 5:41Speaker 02

  It does.

• 5:41Fearne Cotton?

  You love gardening.

• 5:42Speaker 02

  I do.

• 5:43Fearne Cotton?

  Well, I haven't reached that, I know it's coming, but I haven't got there yet. What does gardening give you when you're pottering around your garden?

• 5:50Speaker 02

  It happens, how old are you now?

• 5:52Fearne Cotton?

  About to turn forty four.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Okay. In six years' time, you will suddenly understand that going to the garden centre is not something that you think, oh, this is what old people do.

• 6:04Fearne Cotton?

  No, no.

• 6:05Speaker 02

  Because you will be old.

• 6:05Fearne Cotton?

  Well, correct.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  And. There's something, I don't know, psychologically that happens that I think it's because you know that your time, you know, the time is running out on you, you have less time. So planting stuff and seeing it grow and the seasons and things dying, regenerating, all of that stuff somehow, and you have more time for it as well. And usually by the age of fifty, you will get there. You will be able to afford enough space and then you think, well, I've got to fill it and you have more time to do it. So it's all of those things.

• 6:37Fearne Cotton?

  We've got a nice gardening centre near us, the Palm House.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:41Fearne Cotton?

  It's a lovely gardening centre.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  I've spent a huge amount of money in the Palm House.

• 6:44Fearne Cotton?

  I'm sure you have. You've got like a whole tropical tree section around the corner that I only just discovered. It's lovely. We're like going to gardening centres, I'm just not into the planting bit yet.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  It's, uh, yeah, it, it happens. I had very little interest when I was your age, very young, but it does happen as you get older and everybody in garden centres is silver surfers, as you'll notice. Like going to the theatre, everybody's old. Take your teeth out, put your wigs on and get out there.

• 7:09Fearne Cotton?

  No, I'm, I'm really looking forward to that era of my life and enjoying that. I, I know it's coming. It's so, it's so close, I can smell it.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:17Fearne Cotton?

  It's gonna happen.

• 7:18Speaker 02

  I mean, sort of going back to the earth because you know that that's where you're headed for.

• 7:22Fearne Cotton?

  Right, that's quite bleak.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  I find that reassuring. I don't find it bleak.

• 7:25Fearne Cotton?

  Really?

• 7:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:26Fearne Cotton?

  Hmm.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. My dad was, you know, absolutely, right from the get go, said, ever since I was four or five years old, he said, heaven and earth are human concepts and nobody's come back from the dead. And I said, what Jesus had? And he said, no, people say that he did, but do you know when the Bible was written? I said, well, yes, in the ancient times. And he said, well, it was written three hundred years after Jesus had died. So if you try and remember what you discussed with Fern on that Monday in twenty twenty five, and what she was wearing, in a week's time, you will have a different idea than what she had about what you talked about. So if it's three hundred years later, chances are, it's not gonna be entirely accurate.

• 8:09Fearne Cotton?

  No, agreed.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:11Fearne Cotton?

  But you don't find that thought bleak?

• 8:13Speaker 02

  No, I find it reassuring that this is it. You only have one chance.

• 8:16Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 02

  You believe in reincarnation, I know.

• 8:19Fearne Cotton?

  I don't know. I'm sort of open to all sorts. My mum is big on the reincarnation thing. She loves talking about that stuff. I don't know. And I think actually.

• 8:30Fearne Cotton?

  When you lose people.

• 8:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:32Fearne Cotton?

  You do have that stark moment of wow, this is quick, life is fragile.

• 8:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 8:38Fearne Cotton?

  You know, I I've lost a couple of people this year and it's awful and terrifying. But I think it is motivating to live in the now and to embrace every good thing in your life, but also to not be so terrified of the bad bits. You know, it's kind of, it is such a cliche, but I think that's, that happens.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, absolutely true. I agree with you 5,000%.

• 9:04Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. And I, I loved your Instagram video. I think it was back in maybe April, May.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:11Fearne Cotton?

  Where again, you were incredibly honest about grief and you'd had, you'd been out for dinner with friends and you came home and you just, grief just hit you and it is of course undulating. It's not a, a linear ascent to feeling better.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 9:26Fearne Cotton?

  How do you deal with those moments when they arrive?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  Well, I think that I'd been out for dinner with people that I really got on with and they were all coupled up. I was the only solo there and it was driving home and it's a steering wheel stuff. When I instinctively want to turn to my left and speak to my wife and say, this is what, and your phone asked me that and she was wearing that. This is what she smelled like and she had those sparkly shoes on. All of that stuff that you want to download, which I love doing, um, there's silence. And you can, you know, I write, I'm in the habit now of writing with no expectation of an answer.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  So I'm not, you know, wibbly wobbly about that, but I find that writing to my late wife keeps the conversation going, but because I wasn't.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  You know, sitting able to write that down, I was in the car just with the radio on and it's not being able to share that with that person. And that I found, I was suddenly sort of walloped by it. And what anybody who's been through grief, you know that it's a it's sort of a passing phase that you have to hit the wall with it. And then the next day you'll be fine again, or maybe in two days' time you'll be fine. So you get habituated to it.

• 10:48Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, of course.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  Because you have to.

• 10:51Fearne Cotton?

  You have to, of course. And then even, I guess even like the bits where you're not feeling completely bombarded by grief. That's complicated too, because is there sometimes guilt that you're not grief stricken in moments where you're actually feeling happy or okay?

• 11:05Speaker 02

  Ah, well, my late wife gave me the guide for that because she said to our daughter and I, four days before she died, try and find a pocket full of happiness in each day. And that, in that little phrase, absolve, I realised, absolves you from guilt in feeling joy and delight in things. Because if you're finding those, if she has, she gave the instruction, do this, it would be rude not to. So I think that that has been an incredible mantra to really live by.

• 11:36Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 02

  And I try and do that every day.

• 11:39Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, it's such a good one, whether you're in grief or not, like we have to find these little moments. And they could be so tiny that no one else can see them.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:48Fearne Cotton?

  Just something nice when you're out walking.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Well, that brings you back to the gardening question that you asked me earlier.

• 11:52Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  That, you know, when you're younger, and I still feel nineteen, that is the problem.

• 11:57Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, we all do.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, as you look in the mirror and you go, oh, there's the old grunt looking back at me.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Bald along a tooth, is that it's not thinking that, you know, you've got to win an Oscar or win the lottery or have these big things that are going to happen. It's being a sort of cognizant or mindful, whatever you call it, of the stuff that is around you and what you can get delight out of.

• 12:20Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 12:21Speaker 02

  And that's where gardening comes in, that you can find, that you can get completely like listening to somebody's new album. You go down the rabbit hole of getting distracted by something and gardening forces you and allows you to do that.

• 12:34Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I had that with painting.

• 12:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, there you go.

• 12:36Fearne Cotton?

  That's my gardening. I completely have that. I'm in the moment, nothing else exists. It's just, and I so agree with you. Huh?

• 12:43Speaker 02

  It's like sex.

• 12:44Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's just no time. Time doesn't exist.

• 12:47Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 12:47Fearne Cotton?

  It's the best. And I I completely get that because I think, you know, I'm I'm in my forties, but I've already definitely landed on that notion of not.

• 12:58Speaker 02

  Amazing.

• 12:59Fearne Cotton?

  God bless you. Thank you, Richard.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Whether it's fish sperm, salmon, fish sperm that you've had injected subcutaneously.

• 13:06Fearne Cotton?

  I keep hearing about salmon salmon sperm you're mentioning on your, I've not had it.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Is that what the Kardashian ladies had done?

• 13:12Fearne Cotton?

  Apparently, this is what you do. It's some sperm under the eyes. I've not done it. I I need to. I want to try.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you should.

• 13:18Fearne Cotton?

  I mean, we'll have to go and find a professional.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Will you be the guinea pig and then let me know? Just.

• 13:21Fearne Cotton?

  Fine.

• 13:22Speaker 02

  Shout down the hill to where I live.

• 13:24Fearne Cotton?

  I also don't eat fish, so I feel like that's a bit of a loophole.

• 13:27Speaker 02

  It's a problem if you're a vegan. I know you are. That you, yeah.

• 13:30Fearne Cotton?

  But anything to look better. So we'll see. I might find a loophole for that one. Um, but I've definitely landed on that notion of.

• 13:37Speaker 02

  You'll forsake your principles for vanity.

• 13:41Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, correct. Absolutely. Um, I will. I, if someone says to me, oh, you know, what what are your work goals? Or what are your your life dreams if you were to write them down? It used to be.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:52Fearne Cotton?

  Be the biggest presenter, blah, blah. It's definitely not that anymore because I know. It, yeah, but it doesn't, it doesn't give you anything. You know, I like being in the moment, having a chat and enjoying like, oh, I had a good day at work. But having, getting an award or being told you're great, I know it won't touch the sides. I know it won't. I know that's not where I'm gonna get happiness. It's just not.

• 14:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I wouldn't discredit those things entirely because.

• 14:19Fearne Cotton?

  Not discredit them. I'm just not pinning.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  Or saying, you know, you did good. You look good. Um, everybody needs approbation or, you know, confirmation in some way, don't you think?

• 14:28Fearne Cotton?

  Without a doubt, I'm not pinning the entirety of my happiness on it anymore. And I used to, which meant everything was just a roller coaster of, I feel amazing. I feel fucking shit. I feel amazing. I feel dreadful. Now it's just, it's more the, oh, I'm walking by the river, like near where you live. That bit, oh, my God, I'm so, I've never been happier, walking on my own at sunset, by the river. That is happiness. One of your happy places is travelling.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:54Fearne Cotton?

  I mean, having a light look on your Instagram, I can see that this year you've already been to, correct me if I'm wrong, France, Rome, New York, India, Kenya, Barbados, anywhere else?

• 15:05Speaker 02

  Yep. Uh.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  Morocco.

• 15:08Fearne Cotton?

  Morocco.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:08Fearne Cotton?

  I went there for the first time this year. I loved it.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:11Fearne Cotton?

  Really cool.

• 15:12Speaker 02

  It's incredibly vibrant. I'm going on Wednesday.

• 15:13Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, those markets.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:15Fearne Cotton?

  I bought lamps, rugs.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  A shopaholic.

• 15:17Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 15:18Speaker 02

  It's just.

• 15:18Fearne Cotton?

  Heaven.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:19Fearne Cotton?

  Are you good at bartering? That makes me nervous.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Um, I'll have a go.

• 15:24Fearne Cotton?

  Mmm.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  You know, I'm sure that, yes, part and parcel of it.

• 15:26Fearne Cotton?

  I, I, I can't do it. I was just like, yeah, I'll, I'll take it for that. Or I'll give you more. That seems too cheap. Um, one thing that I think is really evocative, certainly of beautiful nostalgic holiday memories is smell. And I know that you're big on smell. Obviously, you've got your own scent, which is delightful, Jack. Um, what smells really evoke great holiday memories for you?

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Gardenias.

• 15:50Fearne Cotton?

  What?

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Gardenias.

• 15:52Fearne Cotton?

  How come? And where, where are you placing them?

• 15:54Speaker 02

  They are, they are the most erotic smell of anything.

• 15:57Fearne Cotton?

  Mmm.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  They're also the flower that have so far eluded all scientific extraction. So every gardenia that's on the market, you know, as a perfume is an industrial.

• 16:09Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, really?

• 16:10Speaker 02

  Concoction. There's no, there's not like you can extract from other white flowers. It's the one that has, so to me, that makes it even more the holy grail.

• 16:18Fearne Cotton?

  So exclusive.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. And it's, it's leaves are incredibly luscious and.

• 16:23Fearne Cotton?

  Mmm.

• 16:24Speaker 02

  Uh, shiny green and then this soft velvety white of the, the petals. And they only last for a very short time when you, when you pick them.

• 16:34Fearne Cotton?

  Let's talk about food as well because it's a huge part of going away, is whether it's trying local cuisine or just indulging because you're on holiday. What's the best meal you've had on holiday?

• 16:46Speaker 02

  I went, we went to an opera festival in Cortona in Italy and had a bowl of pasta that I've been, again, holy grail. I've been trying to find how they did it and if you can ever repeat that. I've never eaten and it happened to all of us.

• 17:03Fearne Cotton?

  What was in it? What was so good about it?

• 17:06Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think that elves and goblins had, had come out of the woodwork and they had made.

• 17:14Speaker 02

  The equivalent of an Italian leprechaun delight that was absolutely unbelievable.

• 17:19Fearne Cotton?

  Hmm. They just get it right, don't they, the Italians?

• 17:23Speaker 02

  And a small portion of it, which makes you want it even more.

• 17:26Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, and you have to eat it so slowly and really enjoy every minute.

• 17:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like you have a tomato in Italy, on the south of France, it is different from having one in our climate.

• 17:35Fearne Cotton?

  Ours are not great. They're less flavoursome. They just are.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:40Fearne Cotton?

  Have you tried to recreate that pasta dish at home?

• 17:43Speaker 02

  No, no, I haven't. No, I'd rather go and have it again in Italy.

• 17:49Fearne Cotton?

  You should. My favourite thing on holiday, and again, it doesn't work in the UK, is not a meal, but it's a combination of olives in a little tiny bowl, a packet of crisps, but completely open, so the packet's flat, and just like plain sort of, they're not even ready salted, they're, whether you're in Spain or whatever, just salt crisps, and a beer. That triangle just seems to be

• 18:14Speaker 02

  That does it for you.

• 18:15Fearne Cotton?

  Perfect. And especially on a towel on a beach. I can't think of a better scene than that.

• 18:21Speaker 02

  Bit of sand in the old crisps.

• 18:23Fearne Cotton?

  That is slightly annoying, but I'll worry about that later. It's just that triangle of food, it just works.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  So you're very easy to please?

• 18:32Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, completely. Common as muck. It's just a great little, it just works. It's a great combo. Heaven. That's what I'm wanting this summer, for sure. Now, you don't drink alcohol, so what are you drinking away, allergic to?

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:45Fearne Cotton?

  So what are you drinking when you go away?

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Oh, I discovered in Morocco, they have fresh squeezed pomegranate juice, which to me is, if there's a champagne of non-alcoholic drinks, that is it.

• 18:59Fearne Cotton?

  Will you have a non-alcoholic cocktail? Or not bothered?

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Not bothered.

• 19:03Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  No.

• 19:04Fearne Cotton?

  Seems like a waste of calories.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  Well, when you see that they charge about twenty bucks for something that's a bit of syrup and

• 19:11Speaker 02

  three quarters of crushed ice, it's a bit of a rip off.

• 19:14Fearne Cotton?

  A bit pointless.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:15Fearne Cotton?

  But specifically pomegranate juice in Morocco.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  Pomegranate juice, yeah. Oh, pomegranate juice anywhere. But in Morocco, they, you know, they squeeze on the side of the street.

• 19:23Fearne Cotton?

  I don't know if I've tried pomegranate juice. My daughter loves pomegranates.

• 19:27Speaker 02

  Oh, it's just one of the great things.

• 19:29Fearne Cotton?

  It's a great flavour. It's not too sweet, is it?

• 19:31Speaker 02

  No, not at all.

• 19:32Fearne Cotton?

  It's really, really good.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Really good.

• 19:34Fearne Cotton?

  Have you ever travelled somewhere specifically for the cuisine?

• 19:37Speaker 02

  France and Italy.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  And there are countries that I won't go to because the cuisine is, well, I don't like cheese.

• 19:46Fearne Cotton?

  Right.

• 19:47Speaker 02

  So the Greek islands, beautiful as they are.

• 19:49Fearne Cotton?

  A lot of feta.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Um, there's a lot of feta.

• 19:52Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  And cheese pies.

• 19:54Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  So I find Greek cuisine less attractive than Spanish, Italian or Turkish is great too.

• 20:03Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:03Fearne Cotton?

  So say you're going to France.

• 20:05Speaker 02

  I was in Turkey.

• 20:06Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, you meant Turkey this year as well.

• 20:09Fearne Cotton?

  Just add that to your list.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Two weeks ago.

• 20:11Fearne Cotton?

  There we go. Um, so if you're going to France.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:16Fearne Cotton?

  What is that meal that you are dreaming about on the plane there that you wanna have when you land?

• 20:21Speaker 02

  There's a restaurant called La Petite Maison in Nice, diagonally across from the Opera House on the um Promenade des Angles, right, right on the seafront. And they off menu have a baguette that is filled with butter, um melted butter. And stuffed with black, shaved black truffle.

• 20:43Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, I love truffle.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  And I have never, I've never eaten anything that is quite as good as that.

• 20:50Fearne Cotton?

  God, that sounds amazing.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  And if you have it again, it doesn't disappoint.

• 20:54Fearne Cotton?

  The smell of truffle.

• 20:56Speaker 02

  You have to take out four mortgages to buy one, but and bribe the woman who runs this restaurant. But that is, that is somewhere I would go to.

• 21:05Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, my God.

• 21:06Speaker 02

  Would walk there from here.

• 21:08Fearne Cotton?

  I think a lot of the best restaurants are the ones that are so simple, where the menu has four things on it, but you know they're gonna be amazing.

• 21:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you walk down the street and you have not gone on any of the apps or the stuff of where you're supposed to eat. And you look at just the size of the menu.

• 21:26Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 21:27Speaker 02

  That to me is the best indicator.

• 21:29Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, you don't want.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  Almost anything.

• 21:30Fearne Cotton?

  A Bible with pictures in it of the food. That's not what we're looking for here, no.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Oh, you're sounding very judgmental and snobby.

• 21:39Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, I am.

• 21:39Speaker 02

  It sounds like a description of Leicester Square or.

• 21:42Fearne Cotton?

  Correct, exactly, exactly.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:45Fearne Cotton?

  Um, what other telltale signs would notify you that restaurant is worth going into? So we're saying minimal menu, what else?

• 21:55Speaker 02

  The moment you sit down, um, the quality of the bread tells you something.

• 21:59Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  And I've found obviously not, certainly in England or in America, if you order a Caesar salad.

• 22:08Speaker 02

  Before you order anything else on the menu, you say, well, I'm going to decide once I've tasted this, you will know within one bite if the place is shite a lot and then you can go, check please, I've lost my appetite, I'm not going to order anymore. I found that has been almost foolproof.

• 22:26Fearne Cotton?

  Really?

• 22:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:27Fearne Cotton?

  And what what classifies as a good Caesar salad in your books?

• 22:30Speaker 02

  One that's been properly made. I made one this morning for two friends of mine from America. And they said, oh, that's that's a proper Caesar salad.

• 22:38Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:38Fearne Cotton?

  And I get you with the bread thing. You want the bread to be warm for a start.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:42Fearne Cotton?

  And I also, I think I want it like, it's not even been cut up. I want to tear chunks off of it. It's just like a

• 22:48Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 22:49Fearne Cotton?

  Big chunk of bread.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:51Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, it's making me really hungry with really good olive oil and

• 22:54Speaker 02

  And you know what really annoys me is if they bring around a bread basket with some tongs and then they they ask you to choose what you'd like.

• 23:01Fearne Cotton?

  Just leave it all.

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Leave the tongs and I'll take one of each onto the plate.

• 23:05Fearne Cotton?

  Correct.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  And they look at you as though it's the Home Alone poster. Mousin and big O.

• 23:10Fearne Cotton?

  Because I want to be in control of my bread consumption. Pop it on the table, I'll work it out.

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and charge whatever you want to charge, but you know, don't don't be mealy mouthed about it because that's the beginning of the meal.

• 23:21Fearne Cotton?

  I agree. I also think lighting is important for me in a restaurant. Candles imperative. I want little candles everywhere.

• 23:28Speaker 02

  As you're over forty, you will understand. You haven't been to my house yet, but I've got candles in every single room.

• 23:34Fearne Cotton?

  The best.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  And I've eaten by candlelight for dinner for the last fifty years.

• 23:39Fearne Cotton?

  There's something quite ritualistic about it, isn't there? Lighting a candle before you eat. I love that.

• 23:43Speaker 02

  I like it too, and everything looks better.

• 23:46Fearne Cotton?

  It does.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  And people look sexier and your clothes look good. People's faces look, everything looks great with candlelight.

• 23:53Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, we should do this interview by candlelight.

• 23:56Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, my God, we should. This lighting is so hot.

• 23:59Speaker 02

  It's so brutal.

• 23:59Fearne Cotton?

  I mean, it's good when we look back at ourselves on the internet and go, we look great, but in terms of just atmosphere, it's not good. It's not good.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  There's no salmon pink filtering here. Salmon sperm pink filtering here going on. It's like fluorescent.

• 24:14Fearne Cotton?

  So good. How do you find those good restaurants when you go away? Especially if you're visiting a new country or a new place. I will usually actually ask friends. I'm going to Mallorca this summer and I haven't been since about nineteen ninety seven. So I asked a friend of mine who goes all the time and she gave me, and I said, I don't want to go to like the tourist spots. Tell me all where the locals go, like the good quiet spots. And she's given me a phenomenal list and I will work from that list.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:43Fearne Cotton?

  That's the best.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  And Instagram is good too.

• 24:45Fearne Cotton?

  Instagram's good.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I also have been friends with Nigella Lawson for many decades.

• 24:49Fearne Cotton?

  Come on.

• 24:50Speaker 02

  So when in doubt, Nigella, where do I go here? And she will tell you.

• 24:55Fearne Cotton?

  I bet she will. Have you been to a restaurant that she's tipped you off about?

• 24:59Speaker 02

  All of them.

• 24:59Fearne Cotton?

  Really?

• 25:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:00Fearne Cotton?

  And they're all phenomenal.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Never, yeah, there's never one that's been a dot.

• 25:05Fearne Cotton?

  Oh my god. Has Nigella ever been to your house and you've had to cook for her?

• 25:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:10Fearne Cotton?

  How does, how does that work?

• 25:12Speaker 02

  You just go, go for it.

• 25:13Fearne Cotton?

  Really? And she's kind of complimentary about it all and, yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  Well, she's come back, so.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  I suppose that's a sign.

• 25:22Fearne Cotton?

  Can you remember what you cooked her last?

• 25:23Speaker 02

  I cooked, uh, those giant Madagascan prawns. It comes from Sandy's Fishmonger in Twickenham.

• 25:30Fearne Cotton?

  Right.

• 25:32Speaker 02

  And just, uh, barbecued with garlic butter and a bit of chopped chili and rocket salad and yeah, that's about it. And crab linguine, the other one.

• 25:46Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, nice. A classic. Yeah. And she loved it.

• 25:49Speaker 02

  Well, there's nothing left on the plate apart from the shells. So that's, that's an indicator that the person's.

• 25:53Fearne Cotton?

  I've been really nervous to cook for her.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  I've known her a long, long time, so that helps.

• 25:58Fearne Cotton?

  She's a legend. I don't think I've even met her before. That's how I avoided her. I don't know. I love her. I'm a huge fan.

• 26:04Speaker 02

  She's incredibly generous a person.

• 26:05Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah. She's an amazing human being. We love her. Um, British Airways Holidays and YouGov did a survey.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:12Fearne Cotton?

  And they found, this is such a pleasing fact, that fifty four percent of travellers are likely to visit a supermarket as a sort of tourist activity. I love nothing more.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  I love nothing less.

• 26:26Fearne Cotton?

  What's wrong with you?

• 26:27Speaker 02

  Because I have to go to the supermarket all the time to cook at home, so.

• 26:32Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, but you get all the different stuff.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, but when I go on holiday, I want to have somebody cook for me.

• 26:38Fearne Cotton?

  Right.

• 26:39Speaker 02

  In a hotel or in a restaurant.

• 26:40Fearne Cotton?

  But what about for a snack? You're popping out for your olives and crisps. So you're not quite intrigued by the supermarkets?

• 26:45Speaker 02

  No, no, because supermarket to me is like being at home. So it's like the opposite of the holiday. So no, if it's a souk or, you know, a big open air market. Um, like in France and Italy, all across Europe, yes, I'll go to that. But um, not the old aisles and the tins and the.

• 27:04Fearne Cotton?

  I love it.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  No.

• 27:05Fearne Cotton?

  I absolutely love it. Me and my kids.

• 27:06Speaker 02

  Well, we can't live together then.

• 27:08Fearne Cotton?

  No, no, no. You'll be eating, a chef will be cooking for you over here and I'll be picking really shitty kids cereal from a foreign supermarket. But I like seeing all the different sweets, the different types of cereal, the different biscuits. That's a key one for me is finding.

• 27:23Speaker 02

  And when the labels are in a language you do not understand.

• 27:25Fearne Cotton?

  Exciting. Who knows what's in it? It's a surprise.

• 27:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 27:28Fearne Cotton?

  No?

• 27:29Speaker 02

  No.

• 27:29Fearne Cotton?

  Oh my god, you're not in that fifty four percent.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  No, I'm not.

• 27:32Fearne Cotton?

  Sadly.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Sadly. Gladly for me.

• 27:36Fearne Cotton?

  Now, I need to ask you some very serious questions.

• 27:39Speaker 02

  I'd rather be on the beach or, you know.

• 27:41Fearne Cotton?

  We're same, but I do like to go, especially in a new country. I love it.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  I've never done it.

• 27:47Fearne Cotton?

  You've never been to a foreign supermarket?

• 27:48Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I have in France because I had a house there, so, you know, I had to go.

• 27:52Fearne Cotton?

  You have to, yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'd offer a market rather than going to a supermarket.

• 27:57Fearne Cotton?

  Say you went to somewhere really different culturally, like Japan. Would you not be intrigued to go to the supermarket and just buy random stuff?

• 28:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:07Fearne Cotton?

  Gosh.

• 28:07Speaker 02

  Absolutely not.

• 28:07Fearne Cotton?

  Really?

• 28:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 28:08Fearne Cotton?

  Okay.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Never done. I've been to Japan three times. I've never gone to a supermarket and I never will, fun.

• 28:13Fearne Cotton?

  Right, I feel like I need to stop asking you that same question in a different style.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  I think you should.

• 28:17Fearne Cotton?

  Okay.

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:18Fearne Cotton?

  Um.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  Because I'm on holiday.

• 28:21Fearne Cotton?

  What's the one thing that you do to take your holidays more seriously? Because, you know, we need to go there and properly switch off. What's aiding you in really relaxing?

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Begins hand luggage only. I've done that for 25 years.

• 28:37Fearne Cotton?

  Wow.

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Because I like to shop.

• 28:40Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Speaker 02

  And if you need to shop at the other end, you can buy an extra suitcase and get it back that way.

• 28:49Fearne Cotton?

  And what are you buying like?

• 28:50Speaker 02

  But, oh, just stuff.

• 28:51Fearne Cotton?

  Just stuff.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  But going to, so I try and travel with as little as possible so that I can buy more stuff at the other end. But I've never gone with luggage, even if I have to go away on a job for three months. I will literally only take hand luggage.

• 29:04Fearne Cotton?

  I have never managed to do that. Even when I went to Newcastle for one night last week for work.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  We live very near each other.

• 29:12Fearne Cotton?

  A suitcase.

• 29:12Speaker 02

  Call me, text me and I'll come around and I will pack what you need. You'll tell me how many days you'd need. You'll have one pair of shoes on your feet. You'll have one extra in the suitcase. That's it.

• 29:25Fearne Cotton?

  The problem is. But wait, hold tight.

• 29:27Speaker 02

  Okay, hold tight.

• 29:28Fearne Cotton?

  One of the big problems is.

• 29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:31Fearne Cotton?

  And this takes up half a suitcase. Have to take my own pillow. Can't deal with other pillows.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Tragic.

• 29:39Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, so it's a big suitcase because half of it, and it's, it's one of those memory foam ones.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  Why?

• 29:45Fearne Cotton?

  Because it's the only pillow that works.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  You've convinced yourself of this.

• 29:50Fearne Cotton?

  Perhaps. I've got that, I've got my eye mask, my earplugs, sometimes take a travel kettle in case I haven't got one.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  That is, that is insane. But the ear mask and the earplugs take up no space whatsoever. But the pillow.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  I mean, stuff it up your front so that you look pregnant.

• 30:11Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, true.

• 30:11Speaker 02

  You could do that.

• 30:12Fearne Cotton?

  I could do that.

• 30:14Speaker 02

  But, but taking up a suitcase with a pillow.

• 30:16Fearne Cotton?

  I know, it's so silly.

• 30:17Speaker 02

  How, at what age did you convince yourself that you needed this special pillow?

• 30:21Fearne Cotton?

  Uh, I think when my sleep got quite bad at about 34 maybe.

• 30:28Speaker 02

  Is that when you stopped having regular sex? Because if you have regular sex, that pillow will become less of an issue.

• 30:36Fearne Cotton?

  Ow, I need that pillow.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Just does.

• 30:38Fearne Cotton?

  It's a really good support on your neck. It's just really good.

• 30:40Speaker 02

  No, no. Buy one of those things in the airport then that you can blow up.

• 30:44Fearne Cotton?

  It's not my pillow. It has to specifically be mine.

• 30:47Speaker 02

  Oh, you see, you've gone all anal now and I think that's, yeah. It's self-defeating. You're obviously Dr Freud. You need this, this adjunct to you to go travelling.

• 31:00Fearne Cotton?

  We're apologising, my pillow. This is great. Clara Ampfo is going to be on this series in a bit. And we're going to talk about holidays that are specifically about hobbies and passions. Have you ever been on like a painting holiday, a pottery holiday, or a hobby style holiday?

• 31:18Speaker 02

  No, because that would involve having to meet total strangers. And that should be the equivalent to me of saying, would you come on a cruise ship?

• 31:28Fearne Cotton?

  It's a no.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  It's a no. Would you like to go on a guided hunt? It's a no. I'd rather be lost than be guided with those little umbrellas or flag. People sort of following around it. I would.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  I'd have to pull my teeth out. It is a no, yeah.

• 31:47Fearne Cotton?

  I've never done one, but I nearly went on a walking holiday last year. That appeals to me. I will rebook that trip.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  But you could walk on your own. You don't need to go and deal with other people.

• 31:58Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I guess I'd be less inclined to walk for so long if I wasn't motivated by someone telling me I had to do it. And that was the thinking behind it.

• 32:07Speaker 02

  But if you, I mean, you paint, would you go on a painting holiday with other people? You just go anywhere in Europe or anywhere in England and just go and paint.

• 32:16Fearne Cotton?

  I maybe would because I think again, it's, it's the, your, that's the time you've set aside to do that. And someone's telling you to do it. So I would then do it. I'd be less accountable if I was on my own, I think.

• 32:28Fearne Cotton?

  I don't know, you're unconvinced, like the supermarket gate.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, sounds like painted by numbers where you're all going to look at this lovely landscape or vase or naked person and we're all now going to do it and then it becomes competitive with the other people.

• 32:44Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, maybe. Okay, I'm understanding it's just a no.

• 32:49Speaker 02

  It's just a long-winded no.

• 32:51Fearne Cotton?

  It's just a long-winded no. And where would you say your holiday happy place is? If you could pin down one place, maybe somewhere you've not even been before.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  Uh, there's a beach called Macaroni Beach, maybe you've been there?

• 33:07Fearne Cotton?

  No.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  On the island of Mustique in the Caribbean.

• 33:11Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, I'd love to go to Mustique.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Absolutely, because it's got surf, white sand, palm trees, no street vendors, no cafe, no, nothing at all. There's nothing there. There's a couple of picnic tables and that's it. And there are usually very few people on it. And that is, if I have to think about a place that I would like to go to right now,

• 33:35Speaker 02

  that's far from that supermarket and that hobby trip that you have in mind for me. You know, the hobby trip also sounds like really old age stuff. It's like, oh, we'll get the Ramblers Association. You think, yeah, the people who are the anti-sex from their clothes to their walking sticks.

• 33:53Fearne Cotton?

  That's me. I want to do that. That's a dream trip for me, a rambling holiday.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  No, no, sorry. I have to be strapped down, strapped down a gag.

• 34:02Fearne Cotton?

  What's that brilliant lady called who wrote the book who her husband invented Mustique? Oh, what's her name? I love that book.

• 34:09Speaker 02

  Lady Glen Connor.

• 34:10Fearne Cotton?

  Yes, I love that book. That was fabulous. Mustique's got some very good historic stories attached to it.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  It does.

• 34:16Fearne Cotton?

  Rock and roll, royalty, it's glamorous, quite decadent.

• 34:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I'm talking Macaroni Beach is a beach.

• 34:23Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, just a lovely beach.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:25Fearne Cotton?

  Mmm, heaven. Where is left on your list where you haven't been as yet?

• 34:30Speaker 02

  I've never been to South America and I've always hoped that I would get a job that would take me there because I've travelled so many places and I'd like to go there.

• 34:39Fearne Cotton?

  Whereabouts? Because it's such different terrain and Costa Rica?

• 34:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't want to go to Machu Picchu or I don't want to go up in the mountains. Well, yeah, but you like climbing.

• 34:48Fearne Cotton?

  It was good. Yeah, I did a five day ramble.

• 34:50Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 34:51Fearne Cotton?

  It was really good.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  Other forty four year old.

• 34:54Fearne Cotton?

  Lots of lame llamas.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Phillies.

• 34:57Fearne Cotton?

  Um, it was so good.

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Do you eat guinea pig?

• 35:01Fearne Cotton?

  I didn't eat guinea pig. No.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yes, it was your vegan.

• 35:03Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, I wasn't then, but it was offered and I was like, absolutely no way. I don't want that anywhere near me.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, like me in supermarkets.

• 35:10Fearne Cotton?

  I love this. The supermarket was actually fascinating in Peru. It was brilliant. But that is.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  The guinea pig section of the freezer department.

• 35:17Fearne Cotton?

  Yeah, uh, literally whole. I don't know. I've made that up. Um, but Costa Rica, that's on my list.

• 35:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:23Fearne Cotton?

  I've heard nothing but good things about it.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  I'd love to go.

• 35:25Fearne Cotton?

  Everything from rainforest to beach.

• 35:27Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 35:28Fearne Cotton?

  Gorgeous hotels.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:30Fearne Cotton?

  You've got to go.

• 35:31Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 35:32Fearne Cotton?

  You've got to do it.

• 35:33Speaker 02

  In the time I have left.

• 35:34Fearne Cotton?

  Yes.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  The sixty year old veteran had to be pulled away from his gardening potting shed.

• 35:39Fearne Cotton?

  Exactly.

• 35:40Speaker 02

  To go to South America.

• 35:42Fearne Cotton?

  You've got to do it. Um, Richly Grant, happy travels wherever you end up going next. Morocco?

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Morocco.

• 35:47Fearne Cotton?

  Morocco. Happy shopping in Morocco.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 35:51Fearne Cotton?

  Thank you for coming back on Happy Place.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Thank you very much.

• 35:55Fearne Cotton?

  Oh, Richard, I love that chat. Uh, what a shame. He doesn't like supermarkets in other countries. I, I'm still perplexed by that. How can you not? How can you not be completely intrigued by new labels and different things that you don't quite understand, but we give them a try anyway? Anyway, we're all different. Um, but I loved that and he just made me laugh so much throughout that whole chat. That was just like a jolly, brilliant half an hour. Loved every minute. Now, if you want help taking your holidays more seriously, then you know where to go. British Airways holidays allow you to book with a low deposit and pay off your holiday in flexible instalments. They offer a twenty four hour holiday helpline and all holidays include a generous baggage allowance per person.

• 36:37Fearne Cotton?

  What's more, all British Airways holidays are at all protected, so they've got you well and truly covered. As I said, next time I'm going to be chatting to the wonderful Clara Amfo about getting stuck into our favourite hobbies on holiday. And this is going to be a pretty cool episode, gang. Because it will be coming to you live from the Happy Place Festival in Gunnersbury Park. So you might even be there in person, listening with a lovely bit of street food on your lap in the sunshine. Until then, a massive thanks again to Richard, to British Airways Holidays for making this episode happen, to the producer, Anushka Tate at Happy Place Studios, and to you, I completely adore ya.