Kristen Bell & Justine Lupe

Kristen Bell & Justine Lupe (Nobody Wants This) join the Armchair Expert to discuss the incredibly involved, long-game prank pulled on set, how this season of their show is a love story between her their characters, and why wanting to evolve into a better person is so aligned with wanting to become a better actor. Justine, Kristen, and Dax talk about Justine coming to a place in her life where it feels good to not deliver a counterpoint, having a penchant for justice in accordance with her name, and her harrowing journey to audition for Juilliard. Justine explains feeling a part of the unit of TV which makes it so much less brutal than working in theater, wanting to know the futures of her on-screen relationships to assist in building them but being open to the mystery, and the relevance of imaginary podcast money math. Follow Armchair Expert on the Wondery App or wherever you get your podcasts. Watch new content on YouTube or listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free by joining Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts, or Spotify. Start your free trial by visiting wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ http://www.wondery.com/links/armchair-expert-with-dax-shepard/ now. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Dax Shepard?

  Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert. I'm Dax Shepard and I'm joined by Monica Padman. Today, we have a very, very fun pairing from Nobody Wants This, Kristen Bell and Justine Loop. Justine Loop is an actor, Kristen Bell is an actor. Justine was in Succession, Mr. Mercedes, Luckiest Girl Alive, and they are both on Nobody Wants This, coming out October 23rd on Netflix. Guys, I've watched season two and it's spectacular. If you loved it the first time, you're gonna be so delighted this time. Please enjoy Kristen Bell and Justine Loop. Stick around to watch an exclusive clip from Nobody Wants This on the fact check. We get support from Quince.

• 0:41Speaker 01

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• 1:01Dax Shepard?

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• 1:16Speaker 01

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• 1:27Dax Shepard?

  Well, I'm gonna tell you this, it just got chilly for the first time this year in California, and I'm so excited, and I'm wearing my Quince cashmere right now.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  It's great.

• 1:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and I am going to gift this to some of my friends. I hope they're not listening.

• 1:40Speaker 01

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• 2:02Dax Shepard?

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• 2:27Speaker 01

  Okay, can we talk about how November is basically survival mode between the holidays, the travel, the hosting, the cooking, the everything. Sleep is the one thing keeping me from completely unraveling.

• 2:37Dax Shepard?

  It really is the foundation, and I think people underestimate how much a bad mattress is quietly ruining their day. You wake up stiff, your back's angry, you're already behind before your feet hit the floor.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  That was me before Helix. I took their sleep quiz, which is so fast. It took me like two minutes, and they matched me to a mattress that actually fits how I sleep. Not a guess, not a firm or soft coin flip. It's a real match. I have a midnight mattress, and I really like it. I was noticing it because I actually had to sleep in one of my other beds recently that doesn't have a Helix mattress on it, and I really could tell a big difference in my sleep.

• 3:11Dax Shepard?

  Temperature was all over the map.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  It was a mess. I need a new one.

• 3:14Dax Shepard?

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• 3:29Speaker 01

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• 3:36Dax Shepard?

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• 4:15Speaker 02

  I was hoping you'd be wearing something like these pants.

• 4:18Dax Shepard?

  Something fun.

• 4:19Speaker 02

  Because you wore some similar pants to Seth, and I was like, this is cool.

• 4:24Dax Shepard?

  I did, I did.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  It's really good, and nobody's doing it.

• 4:27Dax Shepard?

  Oh my god.

• 4:28Speaker 03

  It's a singularly dax situation. There's a reason nobody's wearing it? No, I don't. I actually think it's really good. It's very up my alley. I like it.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  I did hear a story through the grapevine.

• 4:40Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 4:41Speaker 01

  That on Sunday Emmys, you were debating whether to wear your vans with your nice suit.

• 4:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Which is a move you do a lot.

• 4:50Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  And you decided to wear the nice real shoes.

• 4:54Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 4:55Speaker 01

  And I thought that was really nice and a big step.

• 4:58Dax Shepard?

  Mature.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  You put your identity aside for the sake of the outfit.

• 5:03Dax Shepard?

  But let me ask you something, Gail. Should one set their identity aside for their clothes?

• 5:09Speaker 01

  For their wife's moment? Yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  It depends. There was a lot at play because he tried on each shoe. I saw both sides. I really did. Because I like the fact that you make it your own. And you've had phases. You were only cowboy shirts, remember?

• 5:25Dax Shepard?

  I had a lot of cowboy shirts.

• 5:26Speaker 03

  You were the ones with like the pearl buttons. And then, once the cowboy shirts got a little ratty, you started cutting them off. So then you were sleeveless cowboy shirts.

• 5:35Dax Shepard?

  Sleeveless cowboy shirts, yeah. Okay, we lost, we lost Justine.

• 5:38Speaker 03

  It's a bun down and it has like two pockets like this, but it has the flap over. Very Yellowstone, right?

• 5:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 5:45Dax Shepard?

  Well, I mean, we can say Yellowstone or we can say Jack White's gonna make a big difference to the listener.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  It was cool. But what I loved about it is that it was very you and that you don't really sacrifice. And then he does vans a lot or tennis shoes, like when he goes on a talk show. And I do appreciate that. When he was wearing this suit, I will admit, they both looked cute.

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Great.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  The level of the Emmys being what they were, that it wasn't just like a fancy party we were going to.

• 6:08Dax Shepard?

  It was in a backyard picnic.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  And particularly the fact that Mr. Armani just passed away.

• 6:13Speaker 01

  Yes. And were you, oh, you were wearing Armani?

• 6:16Speaker 03

  Armani.

• 6:16Dax Shepard?

  Only because my bride was wearing Armani.

• 6:18Speaker 03

  Totally, totally.

• 6:19Dax Shepard?

  And then I got sucked in the casting net. Thank god.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, sucked in. He got brought in and a beautiful tailored tux.

• 6:27Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 6:28Speaker 03

  So out of respect for the person that designed the suit, I thought it was kind of cool. I just feel like that was a big thing. This is a person who, it could get testy if you were like.

• 6:37Speaker 02

  Could you please wear the nice shoes?

• 6:40Dax Shepard?

  So I had both options. I walked into her room and all the ladies were there. And I said, what's the vote? I was very open to whichever way it went. And it was leaning towards vans for a while. I have a good conscience. I wasn't trying to sway the jury.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  You were not. It was a close call.

• 6:55Speaker 01

  But I just appreciate the flexibility. I want to give credit where credit's due.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  You know what you'll appreciate more than anything? When the call was made among the girls, he goes, okay.

• 7:05Dax Shepard?

  The fun part is Nicole, the stylist, who knows the most in the room about what should be worn or not. There's just all this debate and chatter and she's just sitting there dead quiet. And I'm like, you're biting your tongue so well. You must have a really strong opinion. And she's like, no, come into the light. And she looked at and she's like, the black ones make you look longer. I want you to be longer. That's not even a selling point for me. I've already been too long. Have you been, were you too long as a kid?

• 7:28Speaker 03

  What age were you this height?

• 7:30Speaker 02

  I think in high school. Yeah. I'm 5'9".

• 7:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's a hefty height.

• 7:34Speaker 02

  It has been in moments too long. Like when I dated a guy who was 5'4", 5'5".

• 7:40Speaker 03

  Short king.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  He was pulling it off. He was a short king, but I did feel that I didn't want to walk together.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  I understand.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  I felt so big.

• 7:50Dax Shepard?

  Did you lean over when you hugged or did he go tiptoes? I'm not saying that to insult the short king because I have to obviously lean over quite a great deal to hug Kristen. And I just wondered, were you in that situation? Do you have scoliosis?

• 8:03Speaker 02

  I'm sure I did. I don't remember. It's kind of like a blackout moment in my dating history. But I do know that he was just so confident. I mean, that's part of why we dated is he just had it going on. But it was less about him and more about me just feeling like a monster so tall.

• 8:17Dax Shepard?

  Like if someone saw a photo and they just naturally assumed he was 5'9", they go, well, shit, that gal then is 6'3".

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Wait, can I ask you though, when you said, yeah, I'll wear these shoes, did you feel great afterwards? Didn't it feel good to be like?

• 8:32Speaker 03

  To cooperate?

• 8:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:33Dax Shepard?

  It should feel great. I recognize that as a virtue.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 8:38Dax Shepard?

  But I do think

• 8:39Speaker 02

  It felt like a loss.

• 8:40Dax Shepard?

  My annoying identity is that I do what's right or wrong, period.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Well, hence why this was a big step forward for man.

• 8:49Dax Shepard?

  Kind.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm stubborn too. And I had a moment the other day where an ex asked me to coffee. And I was like, great, I would love to catch up with that person.

• 8:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  But I was like, I should touch base and see how he feels about it. And he's like, you know, it's recent enough that I feel like maybe, is it okay if we don't do that? I wanted to be like, but, and instead I was like, it's not worth putting him in a weird moment of not feeling good. I care so much more about my husband than I care about hanging out with this person for 20 minutes or whatever, an hour or two. And I gotta say, it felt good to be like,

• 9:23Dax Shepard?

  I honor your wishes.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's nice. I would not describe you as stubborn. That's so interesting. You think you're stubborn?

• 9:29Speaker 02

  I don't think in the interactions, it feels like stubbornness, but I do feel like, I'm like, well, but here's the reason why.

• 9:34Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, cuz you wanna go, you can trust me, you have nothing to worry about. I have no desire to.

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Yes, like I could have gone through that whole thing, like, there's none of that there. It isn't stubborn necessarily, but it is stating a case past the presentation of the options. And I was like, we don't even need to do that. And it felt good.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 02

  Do you have a justice hangup? I do. My name means justice.

• 9:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 9:59Dax Shepard?

  Justine means justice.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  And it's so in me. If someone is mean to someone, if one of my friends get fouled, I irrationally want to step in there and be like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  You want a sheriff a little bit?

• 10:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, kind of.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:14Dax Shepard?

  Are you ADHD? Cuz I just learned from Tim Simons that a huge comorbidity of ADHD is inflated sense of justice.

• 10:21Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting. It's funny you say that cuz just recently, our couples therapist was like, I think you might have ADHD. I've never thought it myself, but I'd say the thing that Tyson gets frustrated with the most is that I leave things everywhere. He'll be in the bathroom and there's a spatula on the bathroom counter. Or he'll lift up a piece of paper and there's a used Q-tip under the piece of paper. He is a Virgo. You're a Virgo, right?

• 10:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, double.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Okay, so he's really neat. Are you like that?

• 10:50Speaker 03

  I'm not that neat. That's one thing that's eluded me.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  I've been to your apartment.

• 10:56Speaker 03

  Well, I clean up for guests.

• 10:57Speaker 02

  She doesn't think it's neat because she's a Virgo.

• 10:59Speaker 03

  No, I'm quite messy, but I am all about presentation. If people are coming over, it's gonna look perfect. But my day to day, like right now, it's a mess.

• 11:10Speaker 02

  Uh huh. See, me too. I'm messy.

• 11:13Speaker 03

  What's your sign?

• 11:13Speaker 02

  I'm a Gemini. Uh oh. Why'd you look at him? Does he have a bad history with Geminis?

• 11:18Speaker 03

  He just hates astrology.

• 11:19Dax Shepard?

  No, no, I don't hate it. I don't believe in it.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  It's good to have people like you around.

• 11:23Dax Shepard?

  I don't believe in God. I don't hate God, you know? I don't hate the Easter Bunny.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  But it's just not real.

• 11:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Can I drop back to one issue with the vans thing?

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:34Dax Shepard?

  I don't even think it would have even been a debate if not for a previous guest, Bobby Brown, who's a queen, the makeup tycoon.

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:44Dax Shepard?

  She said, oh yeah, I remembered meeting you at the Time 100 because you had vans on with your tux. And I was like, this guy's great, man. He's got his own style ball. So I was kind of riding high.

• 11:54Speaker 02

  Dax, you're so cute. I'm sorry. I just think it's adorable. It's like when you meet you, you would never think that you are so cute and sweet about holding on to these little things and being like, she said I look good in the van. So I wanted it. It's really endearing.

• 12:07Dax Shepard?

  I was like, oh, I guess this is kind of working because she would know.

• 12:10Speaker 02

  Do you know what your moon sign is? I'm just kidding. I want to know what your emotional little sweetheart shadow side is. It's good to have people like you around. Like my husband's like, I see you and I lasso you and pull you back down to planet earth with this stuff. He's really good about being like, okay, cool. Now, moving on, we're not going to talk about the moon being in Scorpio and how it's making you sad today.

• 12:30Dax Shepard?

  Will you make life decisions based?

• 12:32Speaker 02

  No, I don't do that.

• 12:34Dax Shepard?

  Because that's where I think someone would need to step in, like, no, we should buy this house.

• 12:37Speaker 02

  Totally. And I do have friends who do it. They're like, I need to move to blah, blah, blah, because I talked to a psychic and they looked at my birth chart and it's time to go.

• 12:46Dax Shepard?

  And it's a vortex.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 12:48Dax Shepard?

  There's no jobs, but it is a vortex.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  The vortex thing, I gotta say, I do believe in.

• 12:53Dax Shepard?

  Well, I gotta tell you.

• 12:54Speaker 02

  Have you been to Sedona?

• 12:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's the place I was gonna say. I gotta say, we were there and I was like, I kinda believe in it.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Right? There's twisted trees.

• 13:02Speaker 03

  It felt funny there.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  It did. It's wild. I did a program called Sedona Soul Adventures, where I went, I was in a crazy relationship. The guy was like, you need to go check out this place to work on your confidence. So I went to this place called Sedona Soul Adventures. And basically what it is, is them just rotating you through healers' houses.

• 13:23Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so you do like Reiki, you do like chakra measuring.

• 13:27Dax Shepard?

  And you sleep at their house?

• 13:28Speaker 02

  And they're like, you're actually dead inside.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, you get a hotel.

• 13:32Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:33Speaker 02

  And then there was this guy named Rick, and he was in charge of like putting together a folder and being like, you'll go to all these healers' houses and do this like soul healing journey. And I got to know Sedona through this thing, because it's like five days of going from house to house. You're going into these people's houses and doing like healing.

• 13:48Dax Shepard?

  And everyone's home has a smell.

• 13:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally. It's a vibe.

• 13:52Dax Shepard?

  That's the part that would be tricky for me.

• 13:54Speaker 02

  Totally. Yeah, no, I think a lot of it might be tricky for you, especially if you don't buy into this stuff.

• 13:59Dax Shepard?

  But did you leave feeling better and more confident?

• 14:02Speaker 02

  I did.

• 14:03Dax Shepard?

  And did you feel like it was nurturing for him to say, you should work on your confidence?

• 14:06Speaker 02

  No, I mean, no, you know what's funny is he had gone there before with a prior girlfriend, and they all knew him, and they were all like, fuck. And when I got back from the retreat, the end of the story is that I left that relationship.

• 14:21Dax Shepard?

  Oh, he sowed his own seeds.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, that I, my light got turned back on, and I was like, and I'm out.

• 14:28Dax Shepard?

  So you did get confidence, it sounds like.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  I did, it worked. I felt different.

• 14:32Dax Shepard?

  Because I gotta say, as a thing to suggest to a partner they might work on, confidence feels like maybe a good one, because it would be for you.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 14:42Dax Shepard?

  That seems like within the zone of what you could get away with suggesting.

• 14:45Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 14:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, it sounded like stop being so annoying.

• 14:48Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, or go to this place and stop being messy.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Yes, and I think he had a lot going on. He was like a very evolved person in certain ways, and he really had done a lot of work on himself. So there was that, but I just don't think he was. Good in relationships.

• 15:02Speaker 03

  Well, he was so short.

• 15:03Dax Shepard?

  No, this is not the short king.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  I don't know who it is, but it could definitely be the shorty.

• 15:07Speaker 02

  It wasn't the short king, but yeah.

• 15:08Dax Shepard?

  You've had a lot of lovers.

• 15:10Speaker 02

  I dated a lot. I dated a lot in my twenties. I did. I dated a lot.

• 15:14Speaker 03

  You should.

• 15:14Speaker 02

  I didn't have a lot of long-term relationships. I did like six months, three months, all through my twenties, back to back.

• 15:23Speaker 03

  Great.

• 15:24Dax Shepard?

  Kristen is a little regretful. She was very active.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  Always with someone.

• 15:28Dax Shepard?

  She was very sexually active.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  And.

• 15:31Dax Shepard?

  And she wishes she was even more sexually active.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  I just wish I butterflyed around a little bit more. On a scale of one to 10, how sexually active were you? In your twenties, I guess. How do you say that? 10 is having sex and zero is not?

• 15:46Dax Shepard?

  Zero is virgin, 10 is sex worker.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Four?

• 15:49Speaker 03

  Okay. And I just wish I maybe would have gone.

• 15:52Dax Shepard?

  Six?

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:53Speaker 02

  I think I was a six.

• 15:54Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 15:55Dax Shepard?

  Really good job, ladies. Yeah.

• 15:58Speaker 03

  Good for you.

• 15:59Dax Shepard?

  You guys.

• 15:59Speaker 03

  I'm proud of you.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  High five.

• 16:01Dax Shepard?

  You guys get along so well. You have such a cute relationship. Right out of the gates, when you started working together, you started coming around the house. And then quickly you were pregnant and so there was a.

• 16:11Speaker 03

  A secret and I said, I'll protect you.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Protect me.

• 16:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. And then the baby arrived and you were around. So I just want to set a little bit of framework for how well I knew you when this wonderful event happened that you orchestrated. So I had met you several times at the house. I thought you were absolutely lovely and an effortless person to have around. You're very chill and relaxed and you're not needy. You're a lovely guest and I diagnosed you as normal. So far as like.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  I'm great. Really good.

• 16:39Dax Shepard?

  An actor. An actor can be normal. I thought, yeah, she's very normal. So season two commences and I guess maybe from your perspective, hun, what was the first thing that happened?

• 16:52Speaker 03

  I remember exactly what. It was we're shooting this scene in the second episode where we're getting out of the car with Adam in a parking garage. They're saying, okay, guys, go to one. We're about to roll. Justine and Adam are already in the car chatting. I get in the car and I hear her say, it's really nutritious. And then a ping goes off in the present.

• 17:14Dax Shepard?

  Anything nutritious is gonna spark your interest.

• 17:18Speaker 03

  Yes. And as we identified, this entire experience was predicated on my noziness. So I went, what? And Justine goes, do you ever do this? The first urine of the day you drink again? Action. And then I'm like, what did she just say? Wait, what?

• 17:33Dax Shepard?

  First.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Yeah. The first urine of the day, the first pee of the day, you drink. She said, do you hear about this? People doing this like the first. Drink the urine? Urine of the day.

• 17:42Dax Shepard?

  This is people do do this.

• 17:43Speaker 03

  Yes, for to reinstall your minerals.

• 17:46Dax Shepard?

  depleted minerals.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  And they called action right after that sentence. And we get out of the car and we do this scene. And then we reset. And I go, wait, wait, what? And she goes, well, I mean, I just started it. But I think that it's really been helping me. Do you do it? And I was like, no, I don't think that's right. Actually, at this point, I gotta say, you were much more polite. You were like, really?

• 18:14Dax Shepard?

  I can imagine that.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  And I was like, yeah, really. And then they were like, action again.

• 18:19Dax Shepard?

  All right. So that ended. And then how long between the next?

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Installment?

• 18:24Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  The next install installation? The next installment was that I brought pee to work.

• 18:32Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  And.

• 18:34Dax Shepard?

  In a mason jar?

• 18:35Speaker 03

  Yes. I put it in a mason jar. And then I moved it into a canteen because we thought too obvious. We can't have it in a canteen. We have to put it into a mason jar. So we put it into a canteen. We're sitting behind the scenes, waiting to go. I call Basecamp and I get on the phone with our Basecamp. And she says, now, mind you, we're in a green room. There are numerous people there. And again, Justine knows I listen to everything. Yes.

• 18:58Dax Shepard?

  It's not like she's engaged you and then says, I have to make this call. So you just. Initiates this call.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  She's in the corner kinda like this. Hey, Ruston, hey, can you do me a favor? Can you go into my trailer? In my fridge, there's the liquids container. Can you send it up? Okay, thank you. Oh, I don't know what the HR is about this, but I feel like I should tell you it is urine. Like, if you're okay handling that. No. Okay, thank you. Okay. Then she just goes back to doing whatever.

• 19:27Dax Shepard?

  What a pro. You were able to just not even look at her to see if she... God, you... What confidence, the confidence thing works.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  You kinda have to. I'm on my phone like this.

• 19:38Dax Shepard?

  And I think I get brought in. So she comes home from work and she's like, yeah, Justine is drinking her pee. She was telling me depleted minerals and it's really good. And then she had Transpo bringing up some container of her pee. And now I'm like, okay, that gal that was at the house also drinks her pee.

• 19:58Speaker 03

  So in that moment, when she heard this phone call, she did engage at this point. And she's like, what are you talking about? At this point, I had pre-prepared an AI-generated article about pee being good for you. Screenshotted it and she asks me about it and I'm like, ready to go. I said, Justine, where are you getting this info? Like, if you visited some witch and she said, do this, we need to discuss it. But like, have you researched this? I feel like we should look into this before you actually do it. Could be bacteria in there. It's waste, honey, it's waste. And she goes, no, look, you can read it.

• 20:33Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great. And how good was the article?

• 20:37Speaker 03

  I can't really remember because all I wanted to do was my own research.

• 20:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, right.

• 20:42Speaker 03

  So I, the second Justine left to go get her water bottle, called Dr. Mike.

• 20:49Dax Shepard?

  Oh, you did? You called Dr. Mike directly?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:52Dax Shepard?

  You reach out to him whenever you have bacteria.

• 20:54Speaker 03

  She's my internet GP, of course. Personal doctor. Yes. I said, I have a friend who is drinking her own urine. What are the risks slash benefits of this? Have you heard anything about it? And he was like, well, honestly, I think it sounds insane, but I don't think... It would hurt her.

• 21:13Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow. Because people who are stranded drink their pee.

• 21:17Speaker 03

  Right.

• 21:18Dax Shepard?

  You can do it.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  He said, there are a lot better ways to re-mineralize, like a multivitamin. And I think that was my next argument to Justine. I said, have you ever thought about taking a multivitamin in the morning?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  And then I think I came back with like, oh yeah, I'm taking all the multivitamins that then lead to the most effective pee.

• 21:40Dax Shepard?

  Oh, sure.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, because it's coming up.

• 21:42Dax Shepard?

  Actually, there's some logic here I'm following.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  It is like a weird Ayurvedic. Like, I did some research too. It is something that people do. But at this point, I knew Kristen's fucking telling Dax. She's gonna tell maybe a few friends. I have to be okay knowing that this is going to be something that is said about me behind my back.

• 22:02Dax Shepard?

  The reputational cost.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  But let me be clear, not in a way of talking shit.

• 22:06Speaker 02

  No, but just like the fact of Justine is drinking her own piss.

• 22:11Speaker 03

  You were so open about it.

• 22:13Dax Shepard?

  Testament to how likable you are, because I was never like, she's out.

• 22:17Speaker 03

  I was saying, coming home and saying it to you because I was worried about her. I care a lot about this girl and I was like, honey, I think, I don't.

• 22:23Dax Shepard?

  She's mine.

• 22:24Speaker 03

  She's drinking her pee and she's talking a lot about it at work.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  And I drank it in front of you once.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  This was one of the most epic performances I've ever seen. So about five days later, we're sitting at the table on set where we record the podcast. Again, I'm not engaging with her, but she knows that I'm looking.

• 22:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  And she grabs her water bottle and she kind of makes eye contact with me and she goes, do you want to smell it? And I go, no, stop. And we're getting our touch-ups and she goes like this. Therese, Therese, do you have a mint?

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 23:00Dax Shepard?

  Do you have a mint?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  God. So for the listener, Kristen's drinking it and then taking, yeah.

• 23:05Speaker 02

  So I'm taking a big pull.

• 23:06Dax Shepard?

  Placing the mint in her mouth, but just dipping it in.

• 23:09Speaker 03

  It was such a performance and the whole time I'm getting touch-ups, they're doing powder on me and I'm like.

• 23:16Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 23:17Speaker 03

  My god, could you smell it? A little bit, yes.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 03

  Which I was grateful she had the mint.

• 23:23Dax Shepard?

  So my curiosity, if I were in your shoes, would be like, I a little bit understand she's drinking it in the morning. But now she drinks it all day.

• 23:30Speaker 02

  She's just doing it all the time now.

• 23:31Dax Shepard?

  That's her main source of hydration is her own urine?

• 23:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, if I had thought this through a little bit more, it doesn't quite.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  I think that was pretty early in the day.

• 23:39Dax Shepard?

  You did it perfectly, obviously.

• 23:41Speaker 03

  Obviously. I was very worried.

• 23:44Dax Shepard?

  Well, right, because it's not even just about the urine. She's on a path. We started with urine and now the sky's the limit.

• 23:51Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 23:51Dax Shepard?

  Fecal transplants are next and god knows what kind of.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  And I do have a little bit of crunch in me. I'm a little.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 23:58Speaker 02

  It's believable that I'm leaning into this.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Well, I think we both do, which is why she had to actually set up some guardrails around this.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I talked to everyone. I talked to Anna. I was like, Kristen, do not let her drink her own piss.

• 24:13Dax Shepard?

  Great, because that may be the most shocking thing of this whole prank is that Kristen.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  I didn't get her in on it.

• 24:19Dax Shepard?

  Didn't drink it because she is down to try anything that might help.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  That was the whole origin of this whole thing is that she's obsessed with biohacking. And so I was like, what would be the thing? And we talked about it. Adam and Tim were in on this with me. I was like, what could we do that wouldn't be so believable that she would try it? It was a fine line.

• 24:42Dax Shepard?

  You had to thread the needle.

• 24:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, we did.

• 24:44Dax Shepard?

  You did it perfectly.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  You got your flowers earlier and now you, Kristen, get yours. I am so happy and impressed. You've come a long way.

• 24:52Speaker 02

  That I didn't try it.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  You did not try this because I am truly shocked that you didn't.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  I was born with a very why not attitude. If it doesn't feel too dangerous, but again, I had already gotten confirmation. Dr. Mike had said it's not going to hurt her.

• 25:06Speaker 03

  I know, that's why this is.

• 25:08Speaker 02

  There wasn't danger.

• 25:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  It culminates with onset. Justine rolls up and she's not actually shooting that day, but I didn't consider that at the time. She rolls up with a cooler.

• 25:22Speaker 03

  And it's about, I don't know, 18 inches by 15 inches. And she says, I have a present for you. And I looked at the cooler and I said, I hope it's a puppy. And she set it down on the table outside and she opened it up and I see three different sized mason jars with radiating color. Some are brown, some are yellow, some are...

• 25:43Dax Shepard?

  Some are brown.

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Yes. And I open it up and I, and I look up at Justine's face and she's going... Like a pleading for the listener, like a really excited look. I was very calculated at this point because I was like, do not hurt this girl's feelings. You love her so much. How do you get her away from this idea without poo pooing it? I looked up, I said, is this your urine? And she said, yes, I saved three of the best batches for you.

• 26:14Dax Shepard?

  Stop it.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  They're super, super high quality mineralized. And she starts touching me, she's like, this one isn't... They're leaking. Thing smells disgusting. She's showing me the mason jars. Oh, it's unreal. I took a beat and we have this on video.

• 26:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  People were recording it, they knew it was happening now. And I said, Justine, no.

• 26:37Dax Shepard?

  I don't want this.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  I don't want this.

• 26:39Dax Shepard?

  You said that?

• 26:41Speaker 03

  And it was really hard for me.

• 26:42Dax Shepard?

  I know, I'm impressed.

• 26:44Speaker 02

  It's very sweet, but it's like...

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Cannot drink your pee.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  Perfect, it's perfect. It felt kind and just honest.

• 26:50Dax Shepard?

  Kristen, good job.

• 26:51Speaker 02

  I do not want your pee. And then she goes, I would much rather have a puppy.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  And then she said, April Fools, and it was April 1.

• 27:01Dax Shepard?

  This whole thing was leading up to April Fools' Day.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  It was four or five weeks worth of material.

• 27:07Dax Shepard?

  Material, yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  It was a long run.

• 27:10Dax Shepard?

  This is the most incredible prank ever.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  I'm so impressed, guys.

• 27:14Speaker 02

  It was really satisfying.

• 27:16Speaker 03

  I have never felt more loved in my entire life than when it occurred to me how long she had been working on this and how many props and how much performance and how many people had been wrangled into this. And I just felt very loved.

• 27:34Dax Shepard?

  Well, the best is that you were staging conversations away from her that you just knew she would stumble into.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Totally. She's like a little mouse bat with like ears that hear everything. So I was like, if I'm just a little bit out of reach, that's the best place to be.

• 27:53Speaker 03

  Yes, that was brilliant.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  It was not my own pee. I steeped chamomile tea at different gradients.

• 28:00Speaker 03

  Which smells gross, by the way. Chamomile tea smells gross.

• 28:02Speaker 02

  It does smell gross. And the grand finale of this actually is that I accidentally left it in our car for like months and months and months. And just recently, it fell out of my car and smashed all over the ground. And my husband had to pick it up because I was carrying the baby. And he was like, what is that smell? Like, what the fuck?

• 28:23Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that blows a Q-tip under a piece of paper out of the water.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  I'm terrible. I'm a trash bag. I know.

• 28:30Speaker 03

  No, but you're a guy.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Once you lose him, you get this committed wife.

• 28:33Speaker 02

  He did love the game. He loved the prank. He was there for it all.

• 28:37Speaker 03

  I felt so warm inside and so loved.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Warm enough.

• 28:44Dax Shepard?

  How did you get this idea?

• 28:46Speaker 02

  I think it was just the relentless bio. I mean, this woman loves talking about sauna, cold punch, peptides, plugging up your body with greens and Metamucil and apple cider vinegar before you eat pasta. Like, she's just the tracker, the buffness.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Well, I have glucose issues. I have to track it, Justin.

• 29:06Speaker 02

  It's just, she's like, just on it. And I know she loves pranks because she's played me a few of Jimmy Kimmel's pranks. So I knew that there was a glee around pranks. Wasn't there something about his house and Christmas?

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. When he pranked Mickey and he was behind the emails. Remember, Mickey had bought a house, his cousin Mickey, and the people they bought it from were like...

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Asked if they could come back for Christmas.

• 29:30Speaker 03

  Asked if they could come back for Christmas. And Mickey says yes to everything. And she said, sure, okay. And Jimmy had hacked the email and he was responding with the fact that we'll need some ingredients for our Christmas dinner. We're going to make this soup. It kept on building and building. And she was just so sweet.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  But you could just feel

• 29:44Speaker 03

  So overwhelmed. We'll be there at midnight. It was a great one.

• 29:49Speaker 02

  The long, the slow burn prank, it's the first time I've ever done it. And there's, I can't tell you how satisfying.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  It's intoxicating.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Slowly building.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  That is so fun.

• 30:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so subtle. Talk about throwing it away. It's like a little thing here and then get that from my trailer there.

• 30:06Speaker 02

  The best was when we engage in a conversation and then they'd be like, action. And I'm like, like I just like left her with like

• 30:13Speaker 03

  She's a mess inside during this scene.

• 30:15Speaker 02

  And then like took it away. It was fun. It was really fun.

• 30:20Dax Shepard?

  Is Kristen your favorite co-star of all time? She loves you so much. She talks about you endlessly.

• 30:25Speaker 02

  Dreamy, dreamy, dreamy, dreamy. It's awesome. I have talked about it too much, but having her be the first person that I said that I was pregnant to in her living room with a sheet max on her face and the way that she just bounced up and ran around the room and then gave me honestly, an Emmy winning speech about the magic of being a mom and how important it's been to her. It was so, so sweet. And honestly, on top of that, she's just the biggest role model to watch on set because she's kind to everyone. She's professional. She's playful. You're an incredible mom. I love your guys' relationship. I've been really lucky because Snook was like this too on Succession, just

• 31:05Speaker 02

  the right person to be there at the right time. I do see it as sorry, Dax, divine intervention a little bit that I got these women at these times in my life. Snook was prego through the last season of the show. I watched her do the whole thing incredibly pregnant.

• 31:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 31:21Speaker 02

  And that show was shooting for like nine months. Her whole pregnancy was literally that whole season. And so having that, to know that that kind of work is possible while pregnant and just to get inspired by that and then

• 31:34Dax Shepard?

  That you're gonna have your whole life and this thing.

• 31:36Speaker 02

  Totally. Like she just killed it. She slayed. So like all the kind of preconceived things about what it's like to be pregnant and what it's like to be a mom in this industry. And then coming in and seeing Kristen doing what she's doing during this moment, I just feel like they're little gifts. I'm from Colorado. Oh.

• 31:53Dax Shepard?

  You were born in New York, but you grew up in Colorado?

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:56Dax Shepard?

  Why were you born in New York?

• 31:58Speaker 02

  So my dad was a visual artist in New York and my mom worked at a halfway house for boys.

• 32:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh, wow.

• 32:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:05Dax Shepard?

  That's intense, no?

• 32:07Speaker 02

  My mom's whole career has been the most intense. She worked at a halfway house for boys. She then worked with children who had been abused as a therapist. She then now is working mostly with women with borderline personality disorder.

• 32:23Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 32:23Speaker 02

  She's kind of a champ in terms of committing herself to this kind of work.

• 32:27Dax Shepard?

  She's in the deep end. She likes to get where it's hardest.

• 32:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, she can hold space for a lot of dark.

• 32:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  She's dark.

• 32:34Dax Shepard?

  She's dark. Okay, good for her.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 32:36Dax Shepard?

  Dark meets dark.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that there is something to being someone who's lived in that level of dark that

• 32:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 32:43Speaker 02

  can hold space for it. It makes me want to cry. The times where I've been in the most distress, like when I was 21, I did ecstasy. I had the worst trip of my life. I thought I was gonna die. My friend thought she was gonna die. We were like, it was laced with something or something.

• 32:57Dax Shepard?

  I was gonna say, I bet it had bath salts in it.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was some weird shit in it.

• 33:01Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  And my mom, I called her at four o'clock in the morning and I was like, shit's help. Hit the fan.

• 33:08Dax Shepard?

  I smoked my brain.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  She came to the house, she opens the door, I'm naked.

• 33:13Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  All of us are naked. There's three of us. We're all naked. Oh, my god. Before the shit hit the fan, it'd have been very fun.

• 33:21Dax Shepard?

  Sure, sure, sure.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  There's like candles and beanbags and like, there's probably wax on my body in some way. And she comes to the door, she has a carrier of coffee, she has a bunch of children's books. She sat there, I'm like, it makes me cry. She sat there for like hours and just talked us through it. She was A plus.

• 33:42Dax Shepard?

  And read children's books.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  She sat there, she just calmed us. Down, read to us, took us on a drive, played calm music for hours and hours, two days, nursed us back to health. It was terrible. It was the first time where I was like, oh, I understand what depression is. I was so low and she just sat there through the whole thing and tended to us. And meanwhile, my dad was on another planet. We were truly traumatized, laying in bed. He comes in with like clown's mask at one point. He's like, hey guys, let's go. Like not reading the room at all, but my, my mom was like, that's just her in a nutshell. She's not always that way.

• 34:19Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 34:19Speaker 02

  But when crisis is there, when shit hits the fan, she rises into a part of herself that's a hero, honestly.

• 34:27Dax Shepard?

  Did she have a wild childhood herself?

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 34:31Speaker 04

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare.

• 34:38Dax Shepard?

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• 34:52Speaker 01

  I love matching pajamas. I'm literally going to be in coordinating sets with all my friends this holiday season. Because I got them, spoiler to my friends who are listening, the same Skims pajama set I've been living in. They are so soft and cozy and they look cute. So you can leave the house and go get a late night hot chocolate and be cozy.

• 35:13Dax Shepard?

  It's so great how Skims has sets for everyone too. Women's, men's, kids, even your pets. So nobody in your life has to be left out this year.

• 35:23Speaker 01

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• 35:29Dax Shepard?

  Okay, tell me more.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  It is so comfortable, very chic too. The top is a button down, but very, very soft, easy to sleep in. But as I said before, you can multi-purpose this and look super cute.

• 35:42Dax Shepard?

  Hot chocolate runs. It's like the pajamas we grew up in, except without the scratchy polyester that made opening presents feel more like a hot yoga class that nobody signed up for.

• 35:52Speaker 01

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• 36:11Dax Shepard?

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• 36:34Speaker 01

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• 36:50Dax Shepard?

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• 37:09Speaker 01

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• 37:17Dax Shepard?

  You start feeling it.

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, because then I had it this past weekend and I was like, oh, my God. And just thank God, thank God for her. Yeah.

• 37:25Dax Shepard?

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• 38:09Dax Shepard?

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• 39:55Dax Shepard?

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• 40:07Speaker 03

  She was one of six girls, so I kind of think like when that's on the table.

• 40:10Dax Shepard?

  That's a lot of girls.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, she's had a wild life, but she's amazing.

• 40:14Dax Shepard?

  So what year did you move to Colorado?

• 40:16Speaker 03

  So when I was a baby, basically my dad was in the art scene. And he was basically like, if I have a kid, I'm so in this art world right now. There's no way that I can do both. If we're gonna do this, we've got to get out of here. They moved to Colorado and he became a closet case artist, only did art for my mom. Basically shut down his career to be a dad. And he worked at the Denver Art Museum, so he didn't shut down his career, but he stopped making art and being an artist and doing freelance work and got a steady job. He actually never showed any of his art until when I was pregnant, he had his first art show.

• 40:52Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 40:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:54Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that's adorable. And then you went to an arts high school, performing arts high school. Why does grandma have a theater there?

• 41:01Speaker 03

  So my grandma was a super activist. She was on every board for women's rights. She enforced this busing system that brought kids from different areas into other areas. She held Colorado accountable for doing that. She started this arts program. It started as a very small thing and then evolved into the Denver School of the Arts. So I went to the school that you kind of, yeah.

• 41:26Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  No wonder your name means justice. This is all adding up.

• 41:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. How does one set their sights on Juilliard? And then what's the process to get into Juilliard? Because I can't imagine ever thinking that's even an option for me. I mean, it wouldn't be, I don't know. I don't know if I'm talented enough, but still, that seems like the single most exclusive place to get into.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Totally. I mean, it felt like a shot in the dark when it was happening. There wasn't an expectation of getting in at all. But the first time I saw it, I was watching a PBS documentary with them at home. And I was like, whoa, that school looks cool. I think I was 13 or something.

• 42:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  And then a kid from my school, Gabe Ebert, two years older than me, he got in.

• 42:09Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 42:09Speaker 03

  And that was like, oh, okay, maybe.

• 42:11Dax Shepard?

  And you acted with Gabe?

• 42:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:14Dax Shepard?

  You're like, I'm better than Gabe.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  No, Gabe was like the shining golden boy of our school, and I was not, actually.

• 42:20Dax Shepard?

  Why not?

• 42:21Speaker 03

  I don't know, you know, I didn't get a lot of parts. And I later found out, and this is so.

• 42:26Speaker 02

  Embarrassing. It was embarrassing when I found out in my thirties, my parents had to go into the school and have a talk with my drama teacher and be like, you need to cast her.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Oh, really?

• 42:35Speaker 02

  Which is like a crazy fucking thing to do and so embar- it's humiliating, but they didn't.

• 42:40Dax Shepard?

  Didn't it work?

• 42:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:41Dax Shepard?

  Did you get that?

• 42:42Speaker 02

  I got into a few shows.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  It's so crazy. And I remember my drama teacher saying something about parents coming in and complaining about their kids not being in stuff and thinking like that was crazy.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:54Dax Shepard?

  Yes, like can you imagine whoever?

• 42:55Speaker 03

  Who'd do that?

• 42:56Speaker 02

  And then later I found out it was my parents.

• 42:58Dax Shepard?

  I bet it's Becca's parents.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 43:01Dax Shepard?

  They're so involved.

• 43:01Speaker 02

  I was like kinda shocked because they were very supportive parents, but they are not Karen parents or whatever.

• 43:07Dax Shepard?

  They're not all helicopter-y.

• 43:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. No siblings?

• 43:11Speaker 02

  I have a brother.

• 43:11Dax Shepard?

  You have a brother, older or younger?

• 43:13Speaker 02

  Younger.

• 43:13Dax Shepard?

  Did he go to this school as well?

• 43:14Speaker 02

  He went there for middle school and then he was like, screw this, I want to play sports. And he left and he went to East High, which is the quintessential classic high school.

• 43:24Dax Shepard?

  Two thousand kids.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  But still ended up super artistic.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Then he ended up going to school for film at Chapman.

• 43:29Speaker 03

  Cause he's a photographer and a director and very, very cool stuff.

• 43:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:34Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so what's the process of getting into Juilliard?

• 43:36Speaker 02

  So it's nuts. Basically you have to go to a unified audition. You go to one of three places and you do an audition, which is two monologues. And then there's a second set of monologues that they call you back for later in the day. So you have four monologues prepared. You do that. Then you have to sing to them.

• 43:53Dax Shepard?

  Oh, boy. Can you sing?

• 43:55Speaker 02

  No. And it was a nightmare. And I sang Fever, which is kind of an inappropriate song for like a seventeen year old.

• 44:00Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 44:01Speaker 02

  And I was like, really, I'm gonna seduce them. And I remember I walked up to their desk and they were like, can you please back up in the middle of the song?

• 44:10Dax Shepard?

  You got too sexual with it?

• 44:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I got a little too sexual. They were like, end scene, we're done. After that, you have to do an interview. So that's one day of three different stages.

• 44:20Dax Shepard?

  Is that in New York or is that that satellite?

• 44:22Speaker 02

  I went to Chicago.

• 44:23Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 44:23Speaker 02

  Then they have another round, the final forty. They bring forty kids back to do two days of auditions in the school. You have to do your monologue with the fa- Faculty and then you have to do mock classes and all the faculty sits on the side of the classrooms and take notes and watch how you perform. The crazy story about that was the weekend of this callback, there was a massive blizzard. And I was set to go on this plane by myself. We get to the airport, my dad is like, there's a huge blizzard. I'm gonna come with you. I was like, dad, leave me alone. I'm 17. I can do this. My plane gets canceled. I call him back. I'm like, actually, what do I do?

• 45:06Dax Shepard?

  Bring your mask.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  My dad is like, okay, we're gonna figure this out. He comes to the airport, he gets into the airport, buys a ticket. We end up getting on a flight from Denver to Chicago that then is going to take a flight from Chicago to DC. And then from DC, take a train to

• 45:25Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 45:25Speaker 02

  New York. It's massive. It's a massive storm. Yeah. I'm freaking out. I call the school. They're like, listen, if you can get here for 10 minutes or two days, whatever, just the important thing is you just get here. So we get to the Chicago branch of this whole thing. And they're like, everything's canceled. There's no flight to DC anymore. And all my stuff's checked in a bag, so that's all on its way or whatever. He is like, okay, we're gonna rent a car and we're gonna drive from Chicago to New York through a blizzard, through the night, 16 hours or whatever it is. And he did it.

• 46:00Dax Shepard?

  Oh my, what a champ.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Got a car and he drove me through this blizzard and we're watching semis literally on the side of the road, like toppled over. It's crazy torrential. I can't describe. I couldn't take over at any point because it was so hard to drive. He stopped for five minutes at a McDonald's to do like a micro nap, literally five minutes. And he drove me all the way there and I made it.

• 46:21Dax Shepard?

  What was your mental state on this whole journey? You had to already be nervous to go and now you're like, I'm doomed. Were you letting any of that come in?

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Totally. I was totally heartbroken. Once he got there, honestly, I was like, if my dad's here, like, maybe we can do it.

• 46:37Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 02

  And then the nerves burned off. And by the time I got there, I think we were both so tired. I was wearing some other student of the school's clothes because I didn't have any clothes and I was just so worn down that I actually think it really helped because I just didn't have any nerve to give. It was like gone. And he slept on a friend's couch and stayed there with me until the moment that he was like, can I go? Am I good? And he left and then he let me do the plane ride back like the adult that I wanted to be.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 47:08Dax Shepard?

  So how many people get in?

• 47:09Speaker 02

  16.

• 47:10Dax Shepard?

  16 is the number of students?

• 47:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  When did you start feeling like, I think I might get in?

• 47:15Speaker 02

  When the 40 thing happened, I was like, okay, there's a shot. That's 50% ish.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:22Speaker 02

  Maybe I could do it. But then you're like looking around and everybody's so good that you're like, I don't know. I don't know. I also was 17 at that time, so I don't quite remember all the steps. But I remember being so shocked when I got the phone call that I got in.

• 47:35Dax Shepard?

  And is it insanely rigorous?

• 47:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:37Dax Shepard?

  You know, Kristen was down the street learning to act and she was in her sweatpants breathing in dudes mouths and stuff.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  100%.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  It's called Alexander Technique. He makes fun of it all the time.

• 47:48Speaker 02

  Breathing in men's mouths and stuff. It was crazy. It's just such a singular thing to like put that much time into that, like only that for four years from 7 a.m. till 10 p.m. every day because you're doing school and then you're doing rehearsal for whatever the play is. And I'm like, I'll never do anything like that again.

• 48:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  And the teachers are tough.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  They try to strip you down a little bit, right? Isn't that sort of the goal?

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think that the, the goal is to basically take away as many habits.

• 48:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  As they can so that you are free to decide what you want to do.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Blank slate.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I think that that can be great and it also can take away the thing that got people into the school.

• 48:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 48:31Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Where it's like, actually that person was incredibly shiny and they had an essence that was their fingerprint and then get beat them. Down into not trusting the thing that got them there.

• 48:43Dax Shepard?

  That's my little bit of a pushback on this approach. You take someone who's had 18 years of practicing how to be an appealing human being. They learn a bag of tricks that work for them. And I see actors then try to get rid of all of that and take on some entirely different personas. Like, it can be accomplished, but I don't know that it's the net win of it all. If you have some shiny, sparkly things that you do.

• 49:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, you want to hold on to the sparkle.

• 49:09Speaker 03

  Ultimately, someone would say the goal is to learn how to do both, right? You could be in a rom com, but if you're playing Truman Capote, you don't need any parts of yourself to do that.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, or that you should be able to release the things that are habitual in order to put something else in there. I had a little bit of fuck you in me, just enough. I was totally a people pleaser and I totally wanted them to like me and I wanted to do a good job. But I also had just enough.

• 49:35Speaker 03

  I don't know about this.

• 49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:37Dax Shepard?

  I don't want to come out of here as an acting android.

• 49:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. I don't want to be a bot. I don't really.

• 49:42Speaker 03

  That's a little bit. That was rude. That was rude.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  Sorry, we shouldn't talk about the robot that way. Crazy. She is a little bit of an acting robot.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  She can do anything.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  There's not a moment where you're like, mm, they'll buy it.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 49:53Dax Shepard?

  True that.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  And also then she's like, okay, we've got it. We're moving on. And you're like, girl. We had a talk at one point during this season where she was like, she loves the speed. Because she can fucking nail it.

• 50:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  And I'm like, ba ba ba babe, ba ba ba baby. You're like, I'm not ready. Like, maybe just a few. I mean, I'm not that machine yet. And I don't think that I'm sucking, but I don't feel like I'm in the place where I'm like, okay, we can get in.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  But I think you're not giving yourself enough credit because you're a very believable actor as well. And I think sometimes what stands in the way of people is like, wait, can we have one more? I didn't feel it. I want to remind you, it doesn't matter if you feel it. Is the audience going to feel it? And that information we get from the people behind the monitor. So if they're like this, then it's like, let's go to lunch.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  I think the feeling it thing probably maybe 60% of the time or less. I remember there was a point where I was with Brendan Gleeson. Do you guys know who Brendan Gleeson is? He was in Bruges with Colin Farrell. He's like OG, incredible. Paddington 2, you might be familiar. He and I were doing a show together and I was like, fuck, I did not feel that at all. And he was like, well, that is why you're an actor and you have skill. You can rely on having skill. Most of the time, you're not. Going to be like transcending.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  That's why I think speaking about it in terms of were you paying attention in the scene? Is more valuable than did you feel it? Were you paying attention?

• 51:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Were you taking the other person in?

• 51:18Dax Shepard?

  Were you present?

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  But some of that time, the answer is no.

• 51:24Speaker 02

  Some of the time I'm like, girl, I was like not there.

• 51:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, yeah.

• 51:29Dax Shepard?

  You and I also just had a baby.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Totally. And more than having a baby, I was weaning. I don't know, we actually haven't talked about it too much, but no one told me that when you wean, it's psychotic drops of all the hormones that were in you to keep your boobs flush and milk out. They're gone.

• 51:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  And so I was like waking up with anxiety in a way that I never had before. I didn't have crazy postpartum, but I had wild weaning.

• 51:54Dax Shepard?

  Weaning.

• 51:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 51:56Speaker 02

  And I was like, what is going on? Am I just nervous about acting again? It was the first time that I was back from having the baby. I was like, is this about the work? Is this about the show? Is this? I had a couple of friends be like, oh, it's probably that.

• 52:10Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 52:10Speaker 02

  And I started researching and I was like, well, that's like a major thing.

• 52:14Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 52:14Speaker 02

  It was nuts.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  So from a scene partner perspective, I have never seen you be off your game. As evidenced by, Justine has this incredible running bit in season two, where anytime that I brush up against her, she goes, ow!

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Like where everything, there's one moment where I grab a wine bottle out of your hand and you scream.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:39Speaker 03

  There's another moment where we're fighting over a remote and you're like, you broke my finger.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  I know. There was a point where I was like, I think I've worn this one.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  I loved it, but it was anytime I brushed up against her, you were, whether you want to admit it or not, or whether you felt it or not, you were ready to give that piece of the sisters where like, if Joanne touches Morgan, Morgan will overreact. And I loved it.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't want to like keep on praising Kristen, but I do think that you can feel her listening and she does draw you into like being there. And she's so fun to play with as a friend, as a partner. She's a playful person and so we had a lot of fun.

• 53:16Speaker 03

  Kristen, before you started shooting this season, you said the first season was a love story between you and Adam and the second season is a love story between you and Justine.

• 53:26Speaker 02

  I firmly believe that. Which is so exciting. I'm so excited to watch it.

• 53:30Speaker 03

  I don't even think that when our writers, or specifically Erin, who dictates a lot of where the story goes, because it's kind of her story. Did you feel like, as it unfolded, this is so clear to me that this is a love story between these two girls? And it's about the sisterhood, because Justine has some major stuff happening this season.

• 53:49Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know if I felt that. I did feel that I had more to do, but I do feel like last season I felt that already. I felt my whole point of view was I'm losing the love of my life. When you're so close, you're so codependent, you are so involved in each other's lives. When someone that you love, not in a romantic way, I've had it with my friends, I've had it with my brother, goes off and finds their love. It is a loss. It's heartbreaking. So.

• 54:16Dax Shepard?

  They start building a combined life with somebody.

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So for me, that was what I was going off of last season. It's like, oh, the love of my life is actually leaving me. And all the pettiness and all the bitchiness and bad behavior that Morgan's going through. It's a reaction to being like, no, no, no, no, no. Please stay. Don't leave me. This season, I think, snowballed that a little bit more. And I think that there was more of a back and forth around it, too.

• 54:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I think it was way more the focus. It's not that the Joanne and Noah of it all is not there, because it definitely is.

• 54:51Speaker 02

  And strong.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  But the events surrounding this season, if you dislodge one of the sisters, it just doesn't work. It's so rooted in whether or not you and I are in balance. The whole ending scenario, you're so devastating in the show.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  I can't wait to watch it.

• 55:08Dax Shepard?

  Do Julie or turn out comedians? Or are they more, you're going there to be in Shakespeare?

• 55:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think there is like an emphasis on classical theater, which, when I say I had a little bit of the fuck you and me, there was something about talking in that way with that project. I was like, I don't feel like I'm a human talking.

• 55:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I've never spoken this way in my life.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  I mean, my acting teachers and I really got along, and my voice and speech teachers hated. I think they really actively disliked me.

• 55:34Dax Shepard?

  I guess when you got out, were you aiming to be in? Only dramas or were you aiming to be in comedy?

• 55:41Speaker 02

  I was aiming to just work. Please just let me work.

• 55:44Dax Shepard?

  The first couple of things, one's written by Noah Baumbach and one's written by David Chase. So if I were you, I'd be like, oh, I get it. I'm gonna be on this pedigree train.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  I don't know. It's funny because also those are the only movies. I've done like maybe one movie after that. So I do think it was a weird false start. I was listening to you guys talk to Alex Skarsgård about him booking his first job and being like, and now I've arrived. So those were crazy. That was crazy to be in those two filmmakers' jobs.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  What movie was it?

• 56:11Speaker 02

  It was Frances Ha.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  One scene, but it was really fun. I liked, he shot a lot. We did one scene all day long and.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Acting robot doesn't like that. You don't like that?

• 56:25Dax Shepard?

  Nor does Mr. Robot.

• 56:29Dax Shepard?

  Mr. Robot's okay on the first one.

• 56:31Speaker 03

  Pick up the pace.

• 56:32Dax Shepard?

  Pretty good on the second, third, and then it's all downhill from after third.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  Really?

• 56:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I have this fraudulent alarm that goes off in my head when I've said something so many times. I'm improv-ing mostly out of silencing that alarm. I just start feeling very fraudulent and I said it so much and it's flat and I don't believe it anymore. And I'm like, even if I add one word or I do something, I just like to get in and fucking.

• 56:57Speaker 02

  I feel like that definitely happens. It's like when we were taking pictures and you're like, and now I've clocked into a new level of not being here. When you're in a photo line and you're like. I was listening to David Fincher talk about, or someone who worked with him about the over and over and over again thing. Their whole point was it gets past the idea you have of what you're going to do or any of the preparation that you did or your idea of what it is. And it pushes you past that into another level of finding it.

• 57:27Speaker 03

  But what if your preparation and your idea of what it is is right for the scene?

• 57:31Speaker 02

  Listen, I think that there's real value in that too. I see both sides of it. I think that there's something interesting about mind-numbingly getting through the amp up and the preconceived notions or the construct that you have and then getting into something where it's like, whoa, didn't think. That that was coming out and that was interesting.

• 57:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that's fun. I've heard his thing, though. We've interviewed a ton of people that have worked with him. It's always technical. His shots are so complicated and they're so long.

• 57:58Speaker 02

  So it's not even about the acting?

• 57:59Dax Shepard?

  25 different things.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  It's actually a relief to a lot of the actors. They're like, it's not because I'm bad. It's because he wants this and he wants this and he wants...

• 58:06Dax Shepard?

  His shots are science, you know?

• 58:08Speaker 01

  Tell me if this resonates, and it might not.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  Because you weren't getting in the plays before you knew your parents got you into the plays, do you feel like you have something to prove in life?

• 58:18Speaker 02

  Ooh. I mean, I don't even know if I would frame it as something to prove, but I do feel like this whole thing is about being a better version of yourself all the time. Becoming a better person, being kinder, working on yourself. And acting is part of that. Becoming a better actor and evolving is an important part of what this whole trajectory is about. So I don't know if I'd frame it as something to prove.

• 58:45Speaker 03

  I feel like that sentence has two different meanings. Something to prove where it can be arrogant, and I was just gonna say like, I find you to be the antithesis of that. Justine does not suck the air out of a room when she walks into it. She's only additive and light. But something to prove, if you're gonna use that as the definition of, does she come aggressively prepared to every single scene and piece of work?

• 59:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, cuz something to prove to me is within. It is what you end up putting out, but it's, I have to be the best version of me every time I show up to anything because people didn't take me seriously or because X, or because I didn't get all these things. So now I'm here and I'm gonna... I mean, I have it, obviously. That's what I...

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's also just like being like, I don't know. I mean, in terms of the acting of it all, it's also just knowing how rare it is to have an opportunity to work. And all my friends, none of them are famous, you know? None of them are working nonstop. And a lot of them aren't in the business either, so. But there's something about knowing, A, that this is a rare opportunity and wanting to capitalize on it as much as possible for myself and for the sake of job that I'm doing, but also just knowing that hardly anyone gets to do it. So I just want to do, I don't want to let it slip by and I don't want to take it for granted. And yeah, I always want to do my best. I'm also pretty relaxed. Theater, I had a way harder time feeling okay about myself. There was something about facing the audience every night that was

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  just so brutal and terrible and I hated it so much. I felt so much more responsible. And there's something about going to sets and being with Kristen and being with the crew and being with the crafty people and transpo and feeling the unit of it all, that it takes the like preciousness off of it just being about me and how well I do. So it's a weird balance. I do feel like I always am trying my best and at the same time, I don't think I've got some sort of crazy like, yeah, yeah. I'm not too like hardcore.

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  No, you're like the opposite of hardcore.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  I try and have fun.

• 1:00:45Dax Shepard?

  I asked Jackie this and I asked Tim this. You're in the exact same situation. Tim was on Veep, which was really successful. Jackie was on Glow, which was really successful. You were on Succession, which was hugely successful. How did the reaction of Nobody Wants This compare to the previous? You were on Marvelous Mrs Maisel, Mr. Mercedes. You were shooting all three of those at the same time somehow?

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:07Dax Shepard?

  That sounds crazy.

• 1:01:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was totally right for where I was. I was like, single, no kids, 25, energy to burn. So it worked out. But Succession, it was this weird thing where I was friends with everyone. They were my family at that time. I was heavily invested in terms of just being there. But I wasn't there. I wasn't a core member of that show in the same way. I was kind of a fly on the wall a lot and it was an amazing experience. I loved it so much. Because of that, I also didn't have the same feeling around the reaction that it had.

• 1:01:38Dax Shepard?

  Right. You didn't feel like you could take a lot of ownership over that?

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:42Speaker 02

  I don't know if I have that. Now, I would walk with Nick Braun. What he was dealing with was like nuts. Like, or Sarah Snook. I'd be like, you know, whenever we'd hang out, I was like, this is wild. And especially because we live in

• 1:01:52Dax Shepard?

  New York.

• 1:01:53Speaker 02

  New York.

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  LA and those are the places where people were watching Succession. Middle America wasn't watching it as much. It was like a crazy thing to watch them experience, but I didn't necessarily feel it in the same way.

• 1:02:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:07Speaker 03

  And this one, when it came out, I was so postpartum and in my own little bubble world that I wasn't truly engaged in the way that I imagine some people were, but I felt it in a different way.

• 1:02:18Dax Shepard?

  It was nuts, right?

• 1:02:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. My agents were like, we haven't had a reaction to anything like this since Girls. Cause my old agent represented Adam Driver when he was on Girls. The level of attention that that got, it felt comparable to that.

• 1:02:31Dax Shepard?

  It was a cultural phenomenon.

• 1:02:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:02:34Dax Shepard?

  I was saying, we've been together for 18 years. She's been famous the whole time. She had Frozen, but really nothing compared to going in New York within like weeks of the show coming out. And like 75 year old ladies needing a picture, 61 year old dads needing a picture, kids needing a picture. And I was like, hon, I'm gonna meet you places.

• 1:02:57Dax Shepard?

  You, I'll let's meet.

• 1:03:00Speaker 03

  You're on your own.

• 1:03:01Dax Shepard?

  It was very fun and it was a touch overwhelming. So it was just, it was really fucking huge.

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  Do you guys feel pressure for season two because it was so big?

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  In the beginning, yeah, but as far as what was happening early on in the writers room, at least when I went in there, I was like, this is unfolding beautifully. We had the additions of Jenny Connor and Bruce Eric Kaplan, who have great resumes. And then also Erin had said in the writers room really early on, she was like, I just want to say to you guys, we're gonna give the people what they want. We're not gonna do the TV show thing where every other episode, they break up. I mean, there's going to be strife and problems, but that's not why people watch the show. And I thought that was really a lovely take.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  People are watching this show to feel the romance.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Speaker 03

  Let it happen.

• 1:03:49Dax Shepard?

  So I've watched two of the first season, or I'm sorry, two of the second season. I've watched the whole first season.

• 1:03:54Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 1:03:55Dax Shepard?

  Two of the second season. I'm most interested in Morgan and Sasha. That to me is the relationship. And I love Jackie, so I don't want anything to happen to Jackie. But at the same time, I'm so intrigued by how opposite you guys are and yet somehow similar. That's like the funnest relationship cooking.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  I loved him. I think he's so, he's awesome. Did you have fun when you guys were doing your thing?

• 1:04:20Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God, I had.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Isn't he awesome?

• 1:04:22Dax Shepard?

  He's incredible.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  I have a lot of fun doing stuff with him. He's great. First season, we were really like, what the fuck is going on with these two? Like, what's happening here? And like, we wanted answers. And Erin's kind of smart in that she was like, it's vague.

• 1:04:35Dax Shepard?

  It's unexplainable.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. And it was frustrating in those moments where you're like, okay, but are we going to make out next episode? Like, is that what's happening here? Or is this just two people who are magnetic and they're interested? You know, those relationships where you find someone and you're an adult and you have a partner, but you're like, okay.

• 1:04:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  You've got something that's attractive to me. So we were kind of just trying to like, figure out like, is this going to be infidelity? Or is this just going to be an interesting energy that's fun and familiar? And people actually do know what that gray is.

• 1:05:06Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  All of us have experienced it. And she didn't have an answer. There were moments where we were like, ugh. But it works out. Honestly, when I watched it, I was like, this works. It is smart.

• 1:05:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I think actors are overly interested in being certain about what they want. You know, like, what is your motivation in this scene? And I not understand, I need to know what I'm after. And it's like, well, also, life doesn't really work that way. A lot of time, life, so you're like, you have a dream about someone you kind of know. And then the dream, you're in love. And then you wake up and you're like, huh, that's interesting.

• 1:05:36Speaker 02

  Totally. I think I was just like, is this woman going to fuck a guy who has a child and a wife? Because that is something.

• 1:05:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:44Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's something to consider about you.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  Totally. Who is she?

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  And what's going on? And is she okay? If that's gonna happen in two episodes, that does say something about her mental state.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  For sure. And from a robot's perspective, of course, I'm always doing the emotional math of what the audience is watching.

• 1:06:01Speaker 02

  See, that's crazy. I can't even think about that.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  That's the whole, acting does not exist for me. It's just emotional math. This emotion leads to this emotion leads to this emotion. It's not just the emotion, it's the temperature of the emotion. Is it anger and is it really small or is it anger and is it huge? And they have different consequences. But I understood what you were saying where you were like, no, I would like to know if they're going to hook up. Because from my perspective, I would not stop being open to the ambiguity of the situation, but rather start to lay the track.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  That's what I felt.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  That will get the audience there. Because what you don't want to do is have four episodes where it's super casual. And episode five, they're having sex in the back of the car. And you're like, what is happening?

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  I really get both sides. That's the thing. You see how vague it was or whatever. Not knowing the answer served people being like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what is happening?

• 1:06:52Dax Shepard?

  Well, it's alive and scary. And that makes for great TV and drama.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  And maybe we could have done that if we did know. You know what I mean? Like, it's almost like that Meryl Streep thing. There's a story where, I can't remember what movie it was. Someone like throws a glass. Was it Kramer versus Kramer or something? Where someone throws a glass and it shatters behind her.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  Uh huh, yeah.

• 1:07:09Speaker 02

  And she was like, why the fuck didn't you tell me that you were gonna do that? And he was like, well, I wanted to surprise you. And she's like, well, let me act.

• 1:07:16Speaker 03

  I think it was Dustin Hoffman.

• 1:07:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Also, I probably could have done that had I known what the track was too. So it worked out, but it also could have worked out if we knew the math thing.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  The emotional math. Well, you can argue it six ways to Sunday, but if you're doing a movie and your character goes to a carnival and you haven't read the end of the script and she jumps off the Ferris wheel in the last scene.

• 1:07:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:39Speaker 03

  Hopefully, you are going to want to contribute ever so slightly to the emotional math of what gets her there. So yes, actors always feel like they need to know way more. And yet, I feel like in order to make that equation work, sometimes it's important.

• 1:07:54Dax Shepard?

  It's their job and they should. But also, there's a reality that they could have never set out to do that. And they can start watching in the editing room like, wow, there's some bizarre spark between.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  Totally. They did that a lot in Succession. One scene where Karen looked back very early on. Karen looked back and checked out Jay's ass.

• 1:08:13Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:08:14Speaker 02

  And it was caught on camera. And it was not obviously written, but they were like, Karen just checked out Jay's ass?

• 1:08:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:08:21Speaker 02

  That was hot. Let's do something with that. And then it created that whole storyline between Jerry and Roman.

• 1:08:27Speaker 03

  Kudos to the writers who can pick that stuff out and see it and take it. Because that's the same thing that happened on Veronica Mars. Logan was never supposed to be Veronica's love interest.

• 1:08:36Dax Shepard?

  And then they saw the simmering.

• 1:08:37Speaker 03

  They saw so much chemistry.

• 1:08:40Speaker 02

  It's so smart. I think it's the best way, getting to know who you're working with, what's going on with them, and then playing around with that.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

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• 1:08:55Dax Shepard?

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• 1:09:38Dax Shepard?

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• 1:10:00Dax Shepard?

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• 1:10:43Dax Shepard?

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• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  Which is a fair question.

• 1:11:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, so Instagram has got something called teen accounts and they come with automatic protections built in by default. So anyone between 13 and 17 is automatically placed into this experience. They get age appropriate content settings, contact limits, so that by default, only people they're already connected to can message them. And time management tools, daily time limit reminders, and also sleep mode that mutes notifications from 10:00 PM to 7:00 AM.

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  Sleep mode is genius.

• 1:11:45Dax Shepard?

  Right? And here's the thing, for anyone under 16, a parent has to give permission to change any of those settings to be less strict. The guardrails are on and Instagram keeps building new safety features to create age appropriate experiences for teens.

• 1:12:00Speaker 01

  I am really glad Instagram is helping to give parents peace of mind with teen accounts.

• 1:12:04Dax Shepard?

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• 1:12:48Dax Shepard?

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• 1:13:07Dax Shepard?

  Oh, this could be a good test of how prepared you guys are as actors.

• 1:13:11Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:13:11Dax Shepard?

  So my one big question mark when I watch the show and it drives me a little bit bonkers is, how much money do you guys make on this podcast?

• 1:13:20Speaker 03

  You're about to say, how much do you personally each make on the show?

• 1:13:28Dax Shepard?

  Let's be honest.

• 1:13:29Speaker 03

  I see.

• 1:13:29Dax Shepard?

  People either make a bazillion dollars in podcasting, or they make almost none. So I'm like trying to figure out.

• 1:13:34Speaker 03

  Little middle ground, that's true. What, Joanne, I'll tell you this. Here's what we know.

• 1:13:38Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:39Speaker 03

  We've never read an ad on our podcast. Yeah. Ads are how you make money. We have a producer. We don't know who's paying her. Okay, so there are some holes. To be honest, Joanne's income, because there's never been a scene where she's put down a credit card, or been worried about buying something, has never been a part of the emotional math equation I'm trying to tell. It's actually a detail of like, I also don't really need you to know what size her shoes are. It's not relevant. And I know you would say it's relevant because it's the set and how she lives her life, but we're at the vintage store quite a few times, so I think they are on a budget. Well.

• 1:14:17Dax Shepard?

  I'm gonna make a more dangerous argument.

• 1:14:19Speaker 03

  Have you ever shopped at Scout? Because we're looking at some thousand dollar pieces.

• 1:14:26Dax Shepard?

  Right, right, right. More dangerous argument.

• 1:14:28Speaker 03

  Shocking.

• 1:14:28Dax Shepard?

  And I do not want to offend her.

• 1:14:30Speaker 03

  Put your nice shoes back on.

• 1:14:33Dax Shepard?

  Cause she's fucking awesome. And she created a cultural phenom. Erin and Sarah grew up with a lot of money. It's not a detail that they would imagine needs explaining.

• 1:14:43Speaker 03

  I think that's right.

• 1:14:44Dax Shepard?

  But for me, as someone who's broke, I'm a little bit like, I'm so confused. How's everyone living?

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get the feeling that they both come from families with money.

• 1:14:54Dax Shepard?

  See, that's exactly it. I'm watching, I'm like, okay, so I think they're not panicked about money. That's just not what their concern is.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:15:01Dax Shepard?

  But then your parents aren't loaded on the show.

• 1:15:03Speaker 03

  I think Noah also, he's like a rabbi, but he comes. From money.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:07Speaker 03

  I see your point. We didn't grow up with money. You didn't grow up with money. I know that. And that usually is a very important part of identity. When you don't have it.

• 1:15:17Dax Shepard?

  How much does this person make?

• 1:15:18Speaker 03

  Right, right. Or how much can I spend today? Or what do I have to do today to hustle to get what I want? And I just, that's probably not part of her equation.

• 1:15:28Speaker 02

  This is like the age old, like, how were the six friends living in New York at the nice apartment? It's like, okay, get over that. Like, that's not what this is about.

• 1:15:36Dax Shepard?

  I concede to that, but I just was curious, had they decided?

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  I had thought about it, and I think 80% of the people who live in LA are surviving off of their parents' money.

• 1:15:47Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:48Speaker 02

  Like, I think that it's impossible. Like, I have been on a show consistently for years.

• 1:15:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, nine years.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  And I have a 1,400 square foot house, and I cannot afford to get a three-bedroom house. Like, that's crazy.

• 1:16:02Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:03Speaker 02

  And these girls are living in LA, they're surviving off of podcasts. Most people, I think, have help. I don't know anyone who's bought a house. None of my peers have bought a house and then didn't have some help.

• 1:16:14Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 1:16:15Speaker 02

  It's LA. Like, it's crazy. Yeah.

• 1:16:17Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:18Speaker 03

  Also, the podcast is big enough that they had a meeting with Spotify. So Spotify was interested at least, so it had to be.

• 1:16:27Dax Shepard?

  And that was one of my ideas in the original pilot. I was saying, I'd love to know how big the show is. I don't know if I'm driving crazy, maybe just because I'm in a podcast, but could we see other people listening to it? Could we see that, oh, it's kind of a broad group of people?

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  That was an original.

• 1:16:43Speaker 03

  It was a shot.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  For season.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  Original opening. And we did it. Some of it is in.

• 1:16:46Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:47Speaker 02

  It was sort of a.

• 1:16:47Speaker 03

  You should have had a fan come up. That was what Dax pitched, because remember in the beginning, the opening sequence of the pilot was not working? And we were like, struggling for ideas. And I showed it to Dax, and I was like, what can we do here? And he was like, you have, you have to identify how many people listen to this show. I need to know if they're famous or not famous.

• 1:17:06Dax Shepard?

  And what kind of people? Like, is there a 50-year-old dude at work listening to you guys talk like that? That would be fun. Is there, you know, like, who's listening?

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  Can I ask, do you think the fact?

• 1:17:15Speaker 02

  That they're at their mom's house on the couch doing the podcast. Do you think there are people who make a ton of money and they actually do it in that casual of a setting? Or do they all have kind of like, this is a full studio?

• 1:17:26Speaker 03

  Well, that's an unanswerable question because the reason we were shooting at the mom's house practically behind the scenes is because we did not secure Joanne's location yet. But also, yes, we did most of the years of this show upstairs. It looks like shit.

• 1:17:41Dax Shepard?

  But we didn't do it at your mom's house or my mom's house.

• 1:17:44Speaker 03

  You're a grown up. I mean, I guess. During COVID, we did a lot from my couch.

• 1:17:52Dax Shepard?

  Well, true.

• 1:17:52Speaker 03

  So like, I'm just saying, and we had a big show at that time. You could, I think. I think you could. If you're being frugal, but I don't know if these girls would prioritize being frugal.

• 1:18:04Dax Shepard?

  Also, I recognize probably no one in America that doesn't have a podcast.

• 1:18:08Speaker 03

  I know, I know. It's so singularly your thing. You're so confused. Every single person in America has a podcast right now, so you don't have to worry about that.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  It was fascinating listening to podcasts, people talk about the show after the show came out. Cause I listened to a bunch of podcasts and hearing the inside baseball of.

• 1:18:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, what would they say? Cause Erin and Sarah really do have a successful podcast.

• 1:18:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they do it from their couches.

• 1:18:31Speaker 03

  Exactly, exactly. I do have a grievance though. Now is the place to air it. It makes sense. I should have been cast as that Spotify executive. This is true.

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  You know, I pitched on the carpet yesterday, you guys should be a podcast in the show. We should have some sort of rivalry.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  My god.

• 1:18:51Speaker 02

  I was like, if you see Dax, please pitch this.

• 1:18:53Speaker 03

  I don't know if they'll ever do it though, because one of my notes from the very beginning that nobody saw the value in, and that's fine, was to get people on the podcast. Like you guys had the sex therapist on that I loved so much. And I was like, that's a person that Morgan and Joanne would interview.

• 1:19:10Dax Shepard?

  And it's a great excuse for really fun poppy character.

• 1:19:14Speaker 03

  Exactly. And I pitched quite a few of them and it just didn't feel right. I mean, sometimes it takes me a minute to understand what's in Erin's head because she'll be not interested in an idea and I'll feel poo poo. Food for a second, but then later on I'll realize I understand why she didn't.

• 1:19:30Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  She may not have had the words to explain it at the moment, but now I understand.

• 1:19:33Dax Shepard?

  But I. She knows her world really well.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  She knows her world so well, and it took me a long time to really understand that and go like, I just have to completely trust. And her answer is yes if it's yes, and it's no if it's no. And that is the tone of the show and it works.

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:45Dax Shepard?

  I did like this season that you're dealing with the ramifications of talking too much about Noah. You're like exposing what his personal bedroom looks like.

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  That's not the only time you see them dealing with the consequences of feeling isolated and chatty in front of a microphone and not realizing how it will avalanche in their real life.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  Do you guys have rules about talking about your relationship on the podcast?

• 1:20:08Dax Shepard?

  They're unspoken. I think we both trust each other to represent each other. I did come to her for her episode of Mom's Car because one of the questions that gets asked, because we ask these moral dumbfounding questions. And one was like, this person cheats, they never find out, blah, blah, blah. Is this morally wrong? And so Kristen and I are pretty loosey goosey. It's not a big concern of mine. You know, we're just kind of acknowledging it's not a huge concern of ours.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Kristen once said, Dax could have cheated on me 15 times and I'd be like, whatever, we're monkeys. But if he drove our kids drunk, it would be it.

• 1:20:47Dax Shepard?

  We brought that up in the thing, which is like, we had asked a bunch of friends, what would be your preference? They either cheated on you or they drove your kids drunk.

• 1:20:54Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 1:20:54Dax Shepard?

  A lot of people wanted their.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  Neither, please.

• 1:20:57Dax Shepard?

  A lot of people chose drive the kids drunk. We just were like, that's kind of wild. So I did come to her and I said, look, I like this conversation. I'd like to keep it in. I also don't want it to read like we're swingers because we're not and we don't have an open relationship. And then we both were like, yeah, that's fine. And then we were like, okay, now we got to play out. Someone's mom listens to it. That's a mom of a kid in our kid's school. Is a kid gonna come to school and say, your parents don't care about cheating? And she's gonna go, no, they do care about cheating, but it's not, you know.

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  That's so hard because you really shouldn't have to cater to what some random. It's the same thing as like teacher in a classroom catering to the most sensitive person in the room. That sucks, but I get it.

• 1:21:40Dax Shepard?

  So that one, I definitely need her to sign off or feel good about.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  I saw it and I was like, I feel fine about it. I don't regret anything that I said.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  And ultimately, he chose to keep it out just because he was like.

• 1:21:51Dax Shepard?

  I kept it in and I pared it down a lot.

• 1:21:54Speaker 01

  Oh, because you were like, I don't want you to be on a red carpet and someone to bring this up as a soundbite where it's warranted as a much deeper conversation and someone to ask it flippantly.

• 1:22:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, nothing happened from it. It already aired three weeks ago. It wasn't a thing. Have you, you've asked her times, right, for fact check? Like, do you care about this?

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  No, I asked Delta if we were allowed to keep something in about Groot and she said no.

• 1:22:18Speaker 02

  Do you ever feel weird when you talk about dating afterwards? When you've gone on a date and you talk about the date and then afterwards, like you're like, maybe someone heard that?

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  I felt a little like, oh, is that sort of unethical? But also, I'm never, hopefully, although I probably have done this, talking about the person's faults or whatever. I'm talking about my feelings about it. I feel bad about my feelings about my life. So I feel fine about it, but I'm very careful to edit them when they're talking about each other or the family. There are things that I've cut out a ton that I'm sure you don't even know. Like, I'm just like, I don't think that needs to be in there. I don't think this feels a little slippery. So I'm always sort of aware of protecting that while maintaining honesty. I mean, that's the whole point of this show.

• 1:23:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I run against that too. Like, I had an experience lately where I talked about a past relationship and then there was a little bit of a thing around it. And I was like, but that's my experience. I had that experience. And that person may be the most incredible partner. He probably is. He's probably grown. But my experience was that.

• 1:23:23Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:23:24Speaker 02

  And it's weird to censor yourself based off of maybe something down, especially when I'm not naming names, not, you know?

• 1:23:30Speaker 01

  Everyone's just so addicted to binary thinking that it's hard to say something with any bit of nuance and not have to think about the consequences. And that's super annoying, but it also exists. And I feel like we have unwritten stuff, but most of it's on the table. There's one or two things I can think of.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  That I wouldn't say.

• 1:23:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  The kid stuff's getting interesting as they get older.

• 1:23:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, that I'm having to confront more and more because obviously when they're eight, no one's going to come to school or whatever. So I backed off a bit, I think, on the kids sadly because they're all I want to talk about.

• 1:24:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:24:05Dax Shepard?

  What I tell myself when I'm trying to convince myself it's fine is, well, they heard it. All they'd hear is how much I love them and how much I think about them. But that's not true. That's not my decision to make per se, even if I feel good about how I'm speaking about them.

• 1:24:17Speaker 02

  It's totally hard though. I mean, I've only done it for a year, but it really is a lot of what you want to talk about. You're like, yeah.

• 1:24:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it's what you do every single night. There's no going out. There's no.

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  And it's a huge part of how you identify yourself. This is part of my identity in a big way now, and I'm so proud of it.

• 1:24:34Dax Shepard?

  And they're changing you radically all the time. And you kind of want to comment on how you're getting changed by these people. There's always a bit of tension. I think if anyone in America met Kristen and I anywhere, we would talk exactly how we talked on that podcast.

• 1:24:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, I feel that.

• 1:24:50Dax Shepard?

  Who we are. And then to have to consider sometimes, and also you people write articles about you. There's just a tension there, but whatever. We used to care a lot and now we don't care much at all. We like hit our engagement, wanted to hide the pregnancy, terrified, you know?

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:06Dax Shepard?

  We had a whole season where we were very protective and very secretive, and it consumed us more than it should have probably.

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  But very quickly, I feel like we dropped it because we felt the positive reinforcement of when we were honest and authentic.

• 1:25:21Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  The voices that were listening online were so much more real. Like, I'm so grateful you guys talk about that. I'm so grateful you guys talk about you're in therapy or that you guys argue. And that's way more important to have connective tissue between the people that you're actually trying to entertain.

• 1:25:37Dax Shepard?

  This podcast was a big step forward in that, which is the first episode of the show is us in a fight for two hours.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  I loved that so much.

• 1:25:44Dax Shepard?

  Bickering thing. And that was kind of like, okay.

• 1:25:46Speaker 02

  It was so good. It's so weird thinking about what I knew of Kristen before I met Kristen. It's such a weird thing.

• 1:25:54Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you have two Kristens?

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Kristen's pretty consistently Kristen. I will. I'll say that, but it's just a strange thing to know someone and then actually know someone.

• 1:26:03Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Monica was just saying the other day, she's like, I remember the first time I met you was at this party and the guy from Parenthood came in.

• 1:26:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:09Dax Shepard?

  Like, so there is a point in history.

• 1:26:10Speaker 01

  And same with her. I was obsessed with her.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Speaker 01

  And it's so bizarre.

• 1:26:15Speaker 03

  Oh, how the tables have turned.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  No, but that is in its own category. It's not her. It was the idea of her.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  The real thing's better.

• 1:26:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Speaker 03

  And now I'm obsessed with you.

• 1:26:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, my example is always like Robert Downey Jr. I'm fully friends with him. And then there's also, there's Robert Downey Jr., which I'm very excited about watching in movies. And he's a whole other thing I've always had in my head.

• 1:26:40Speaker 02

  It's crazy. My cousin is with Steven Tyler and has been with him for 10 plus years now.

• 1:26:46Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 1:26:47Speaker 02

  And that's so bizarre.

• 1:26:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:49Speaker 02

  Because I also don't say it very much. And Steven Tyler is Steven Tyler. So you like hear Steven Tyler and then knowing Steven, I still see him as two separate.

• 1:26:58Dax Shepard?

  A rock star and then this playful.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:00Dax Shepard?

  He's very playful, right?

• 1:27:02Speaker 02

  He's so funny and wild and weird and yeah, very playful. And yeah, he feels like Peter Pan a little bit. Truly like, there was a moment where we were in Hawaii and he was blowing a conscious shell off the deck. And I was like, this is so Peter Pan. There's like hair all like dreaded up like a lost boy. You're like, okay, couldn't be more Peter Pan than this.

• 1:27:24Speaker 01

  Doesn't it kind of curious some stuff though, for me being like, oh, I'm a fan to then knowing has made me very uninterested in celebrity.

• 1:27:33Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 1:27:34Speaker 01

  In a very good way.

• 1:27:35Speaker 02

  I feel weirdly that I've always felt that way.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  That's good. That's healthy.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  But I missed out on, when people ask, who were you obsessed with as a kid? I never had it. I never was there with a sign being like, woohoo, or a T-shirt. The only time that I've felt so fan crazy, this is the wildest moment of my life. And I think it's less about him and more about the energy that he had was I did a play with Phil Seymour Hoffman. He was the director of it.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  And when I met him, it was like a force, I felt impact. I felt like a. Had hit me or something. He was such a powerful, full person. So I don't know how much of it was just how much I looked up to him and his celebrity and his talent, I guess, more than celebrity, the talent that he was and all the stuff that I'd seen him in and fallen in love with him in. I can't tell if it was that or just that's who he is, like he was just this powerhouse. I think it's probably the latter, but that was the one time where I was like.

• 1:28:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Dax Shepard?

  Everyone idolized Phil.

• 1:28:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, everyone I know that was friends with him just completely idolized.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was a force. Still, you're like, no, no, that person couldn't be gone because he was such a huge personality.

• 1:28:49Dax Shepard?

  Someone was just telling me a story that they were in this session with Philip Seymour Hoffman directing My Friend and Young Tom Hardy.

• 1:28:57Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:28:58Dax Shepard?

  And Phil was very much like, knock it off. You're going for a laugh here and you do this. And even Tom Hardy, who I think of as the most raging bull actor among everyone, had a reverence for him and just complied with whatever. And I think that's very telling.

• 1:29:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, that was my experience with him was he was relentless. In fact, I remember him talking about Tom Hardy.

• 1:29:20Dax Shepard?

  Oh, really?

• 1:29:20Speaker 02

  Yes. He talked about the relying on the thing that worked the night before a lot, or like your charisma. It was the hardest experience I've ever had completely. And I was utterly in love with him. There was always more, like more. There's more to do. There's more to do. Like, talk about an actor with a capital A. That guy was like, truly, and it shows. He's just so fucking good. It's crazy. I was watching Paul Thomas Anderson's movie last night. I went to go see an early screening of it. Seeing acting at that level, I was just like, man, I want more Phil. You see Leo doing some shit that you're just like, it just gets better and better. And Sean Penn is absolutely out of control. Benicio del Toro, who I'm like, couldn't be more.

• 1:30:02Dax Shepard?

  Cast.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  He's the hottest thing. I know. He's so hot.

• 1:30:07Dax Shepard?

  He's so hot.

• 1:30:07Speaker 02

  It's fucking insane.

• 1:30:09Dax Shepard?

  He looks like Brad Pitt, weirdly.

• 1:30:10Speaker 02

  Yes. He's got the hooded eyes. He's got the sexy, but he's also.

• 1:30:14Speaker 03

  So funny.

• 1:30:15Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:16Speaker 03

  So funny and so good.

• 1:30:18Dax Shepard?

  Well, gals, the second season's phenomenal. The sizzling hot chemistry's still alive.

• 1:30:23Speaker 01

  Ooh, I cannot wait.

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  It's so hot.

• 1:30:25Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:26Speaker 02

  You haven't even gotten, you've only watched two episodes?

• 1:30:28Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. Is it about to get so hot? Is there a great fucking scene?

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  You know what I'm talking about?

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  The scene on.

• 1:30:34Speaker 03

  Ah, secret.

• 1:30:36Dax Shepard?

  Secret scenes. It was a reverse back into a sixty-nine.

• 1:30:40Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  Wait, give us one word.

• 1:30:43Dax Shepard?

  A reverse back into a sixty-nine?

• 1:30:45Speaker 03

  I'll, I'll give a word.

• 1:30:45Speaker 02

  One word.

• 1:30:46Speaker 03

  Mount.

• 1:30:48Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 1:30:48Speaker 03

  That. Oh.

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  I forgot about that.

• 1:30:53Dax Shepard?

  Okay, that's my last question. You, as previously mentioned, you're just perfect at everything. You're so fucking good. You are. Just shut your mouth.

• 1:31:01Speaker 03

  Why aren't you people here to say that?

• 1:31:02Dax Shepard?

  The only thing you're bad at is shutting your mouth.

• 1:31:03Speaker 03

  Cause I have imposter syndrome and it's, it's.

• 1:31:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, don't worry about that.

• 1:31:06Speaker 03

  I know you do.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  You know what? She's not great at answering the phone, texting back.

• 1:31:10Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, she's the worst. She's the worst.

• 1:31:11Speaker 03

  Okay, fine. Let's throw that in there. You are very bad about that.

• 1:31:14Dax Shepard?

  She's not even worthwhile having her number in your phone.

• 1:31:17Speaker 03

  Sorry.

• 1:31:17Dax Shepard?

  It's almost not even worth adding to your phone.

• 1:31:20Speaker 03

  But isn't it fun when once in a while I do pop a text back?

• 1:31:23Speaker 02

  You get a FaceTime from Kristen like out of nowhere when you haven't talked to her in forever? And she'll just be like, hey, I just wanted to call you. I can't see my map anymore. I gotta go. Bye. And you're like, that was cute.

• 1:31:32Dax Shepard?

  But here's a genuine question, and I think what was the magic of the first one? And I don't think you've gotten to do it a lot. Ron Mars had Elaine. She was a tough customer and she flirted, but it was very Ron Mars flirting. In Nobody Wants This, right out of the gates, the first dinner table scene, you were turning on the fucking Land Me a Boyfriend that I got to witness eighteen years ago.

• 1:31:55Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:55Dax Shepard?

  You got to go full flirt.

• 1:31:59Speaker 03

  It's hot.

• 1:32:00Dax Shepard?

  And you were so good at it. I was so happy for you. Was it so fun to get to play that flirty?

• 1:32:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, someone who knew they were very attractive.

• 1:32:10Dax Shepard?

  Yes.

• 1:32:11Speaker 03

  And could sprinkle it around wherever she wanted.

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  Is that who you were when you were dating? Cause I've heard you say you're not sexy, you're cute. That was sexy.

• 1:32:21Speaker 03

  I totally.

• 1:32:22Speaker 02

  I disagree.

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  I don't feel sexy. I don't think I throw around sexy at all. But I do throw around cute and maybe lean into coy. And yes, I gave it a lot. I gave it hard in my twenties.

• 1:32:37Speaker 02

  I feel like there's so much sexy in there.

• 1:32:40Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  This is the thing that I'll say about getting to know Kristen and Kristen before, is I feel like there's a lot of shadow. And sexiness is in there. Sex is right there in there. I think you don't lean into it, or you don't express it as much. It's right there and you're really open and you're really vulnerable and you're really communicative about everything that's going on with you. But I think there's so much more depth and dimension and there is more shadow in there than I think you let out. And I think sex is there. I feel sex appeal in her all the time.

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  So do I, yeah.

• 1:33:14Speaker 02

  And I think you know it's there.

• 1:33:15Speaker 03

  I think you just got reinforced.

• 1:33:17Dax Shepard?

  I love it.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  Cute was reinforced for you.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  Validated.

• 1:33:21Speaker 03

  Yeah. So I think that's just where you decided to lean.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  And cute was why I was getting cast.

• 1:33:27Speaker 03

  And cute feels safer. And cute feels way safer.

• 1:33:30Dax Shepard?

  You grew up in a very Christian household, so it's not...

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Sex wasn't a thing to walk around with.

• 1:33:35Dax Shepard?

  Being slutty was a cool look for anyone.

• 1:33:37Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 1:33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a safer thing to own, too. Yesterday at the Emmys, I was wearing a see-through thing that like was...

• 1:33:43Speaker 03

  You looked amazing.

• 1:33:44Speaker 02

  Thank you. I feel good about it, but I, at one point, was going for a bombshell look. And then after I said it, I had a full-on meltdown about being like, I was going for a bombshell look? Ew. Like, I was ashamed of owning sexuality a little bit. I am a sexual person and that is sexy. I was weirdly ashamed of myself owning that I could be sexy. That there was something about it.

• 1:34:05Dax Shepard?

  Or that you were pursuing that.

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  Yes, or that that was something that I wanted, or that I could possibly be that. It's a brave thing to be like, I can be sexy. And I have the same thing as you, because I've been coined as cute and sweet and fun and funny and goofy. And it's really hard for me to own my sexuality. It's really tough, but it's definitely there.

• 1:34:27Speaker 03

  Well, sexy is confidence, which you do have a lot of. And it seems like you have a lot of... A lot of confidence too. Yeah, but also there's no way.

• 1:34:35Dax Shepard?

  There's no way she'd be with Dax if she didn't have.

• 1:34:39Speaker 03

  Right. Yes. Some sexual stuff going. You brought out a ton of my sexuality. For sure. For sure. I was never this sexual. No, but I do feel like the water seeks its own level. And I do feel like, Dax, you're so confident and open about that being something that you have fully integrated into who you are.

• 1:34:59Dax Shepard?

  I grew up in a different household.

• 1:35:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:35:01Dax Shepard?

  My mom told me, we're not a Beatles family. They're talking about holding your hand. We're a Rolling Stones family, talking about getting someone pregnant. That was my mom's vibe.

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:35:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, we're not goody goodies.

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  When I grew up, there was a lack of safety around explaining it like that. And I think subsequently, having gotten to know your family and your mom and seeing how safe and comforting she is, it's like, oh, wait, safe and comforting people can have positive perspectives about sex too, and sexuality and sexiness.

• 1:35:29Dax Shepard?

  I've said it a million times, but it's worth repeating to you. I was very young. I came home from school, someone called another kid a butt humper on playground. So I'm like in fourth grade. We're at the dinner table, my brother, my little sister, and my mom. And I said, Mom, someone called someone a butt humper at school. She goes, okay. And I go, is that something people do? They hump in the butt? And my mom goes, well, there's a lot of nerve endings in the anus. And some people find it very pleasurable and some do not.

• 1:35:55Speaker 03

  So good. Yeah. It's so good. Because it is a fact. And she just said it like a fact. It's admirable.

• 1:36:02Dax Shepard?

  Well, ladies, I just really want to thank you, Justin, because you make Belle so happy. When she gets to work with you all day long, she comes home so happy. And it's a real gift to everybody.

• 1:36:12Speaker 03

  I feel the same. I love her so much. It's been really, really awesome.

• 1:36:15Dax Shepard?

  Fake sisters to real sisters. I love you guys.

• 1:36:18Speaker 03

  Love you.

• 1:36:19Dax Shepard?

  Nobody Wants to Season Two, October 23rd on Netflix.

• 1:36:23Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yep.

• 1:36:24Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:25Speaker 03

  Check it out.

• 1:36:26Dax Shepard?

  Let's fucking.

• 1:36:27Speaker 03

  Do even a rewatch before you get there. Do a rewatch.

• 1:36:30Dax Shepard?

  Let's double it. Let's double last time.

• 1:36:32Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 1:36:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. All right. Love you guys.

• 1:36:34Speaker 03

  Love you.

• 1:36:36Speaker 06

  He's an arm care expert, but he makes mistakes all the time. Thank God Monica's here. She's gonna let him have the facts.

• 1:36:46Dax Shepard?

  Grandpa had to come over to get his wallet.

• 1:36:48Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, I saw his car.

• 1:36:50Dax Shepard?

  I'm surprised he didn't drive his.

• 1:36:53Speaker 01

  I thought maybe it was.

• 1:36:53Dax Shepard?

  300 to show you because he's really hell bent on showing you and taking you for a ride.

• 1:36:59Speaker 01

  That's very sweet. I thought it maybe was that, but I couldn't.

• 1:37:02Dax Shepard?

  Easy mistake, silver Mercedes.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Dax Shepard?

  Two door coupe.

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  Two doors.

• 1:37:07Dax Shepard?

  That's what that is the carryover from originally. This is just the current iteration of that car, basically.

• 1:37:15Speaker 01

  Oh, got it. Okay, yeah.

• 1:37:16Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it lives on.

• 1:37:17Speaker 01

  It was a cool car.

• 1:37:18Dax Shepard?

  This is the one I was telling you about.

• 1:37:21Speaker 01

  That you want?

• 1:37:21Dax Shepard?

  It's in today's episode of Mom's Car. I tell you about going out to eat with Uncle Grandpa and he had that car. I was like, oh, who cares? I don't care. And then I found out the numbers.

• 1:37:29Speaker 01

  Oh, that's the one you wanted it.

• 1:37:30Dax Shepard?

  Oh my God, I gotta have that.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:37:33Dax Shepard?

  But we did a car day last week and I drove it.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  And you didn't like it?

• 1:37:36Dax Shepard?

  And it's lovely, but I did think, yeah, I just don't need it.

• 1:37:40Speaker 01

  That's nice.

• 1:37:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it didn't like change my life.

• 1:37:43Speaker 01

  That's like when I see something online, like a shirt I like, and then I go try it on in store. And it's like, actually, it doesn't fit.

• 1:37:51Dax Shepard?

  The way you just said, I go to try it on in store, sounded like you were English saying in hospital. Like I would have said in the store. I will go try it on in the store, at the store.

• 1:38:00Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 1:38:01Dax Shepard?

  But you said in store, like I was in hospital.

• 1:38:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:05Speaker 01

  I wish.

• 1:38:06Dax Shepard?

  Oh, thank you, Wabi Wab. You wish you were in the hospital?

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  Well, I don't not actually.

• 1:38:14Speaker 01

  But I can't go to the hospital because we have a very important guest today and I'm so thrilled and excited.

• 1:38:20Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I'm assuming this outfit's for her?

• 1:38:22Speaker 01

  Obviously.

• 1:38:22Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  So, okay, we both got our blood drawn yesterday.

• 1:38:29Dax Shepard?

  11 vials.

• 1:38:30Speaker 01

  11 vi- all three of us did, actually.

• 1:38:32Dax Shepard?

  How did you do? I was, I was thinking, I think I even said to Rob and Roger, the clinician. Monica might die. This might be too much blood for her to lose.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I never worry about it.

• 1:38:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:44Speaker 01

  But when I was sitting there and he, you know, he was like, are you okay? And I was like, yeah, but then as soon as, you know, it's like that thing when someone asks if you're okay and like.

• 1:38:53Dax Shepard?

  They plant a seed.

• 1:38:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then you're like, maybe I'm not okay, actually.

• 1:38:56Dax Shepard?

  What is he noticing? He's a medical professional. Are my pupils dilated?

• 1:39:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then he said, no, I just, when people are quiet, I like to check in. I was like, oh yeah, I'm fine. But then I, I was like, wow, but I have. Lost weight. And I wonder how much I weigh because technically you're not really supposed to give blood, like a lot of blood if you're below a certain weight.

• 1:39:21Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  And I don't know how much I weigh.

• 1:39:23Dax Shepard?

  And anemic.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Potentially anemic, I guess.

• 1:39:28Speaker 01

  So I got a little worried, but I was, I was just fine.

• 1:39:31Dax Shepard?

  It concerned me enough where I was like, should I go up and get an apple juice and have it in the attic? And then I thought, that's crazy. If she wants an apple juice, she'll figure out an apple juice. But it did cross my mind.

• 1:39:44Speaker 01

  He told me to have apple juice or orange juice after.

• 1:39:47Dax Shepard?

  He told me to.

• 1:39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, he said, please.

• 1:39:50Dax Shepard?

  He said, please, and I didn't.

• 1:39:51Speaker 01

  Neither.

• 1:39:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I had oatmeal with blueberries and I thought, that's plenty of carbs.

• 1:39:56Speaker 01

  I had English breakfast tea.

• 1:39:57Dax Shepard?

  No, that's not the direction to go.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:40:00Dax Shepard?

  I felt fine though.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  It had milk in it.

• 1:40:01Dax Shepard?

  I, I felt, in fact, I thought, good. I probably need to get rid of some blood. I think I have too much.

• 1:40:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what our friend Eric, he has too much, it's a real thing he has. He has too much blood or hemoglobin or something.

• 1:40:14Dax Shepard?

  Too many red blood cells. So a small percentage of people on testosterone will produce too many red blood cells.

• 1:40:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:22Dax Shepard?

  The solution is, yeah, I think you gotta go donate blood once a year or something. I don't know what his schedule is.

• 1:40:28Speaker 01

  Me either, but.

• 1:40:28Dax Shepard?

  But when he was taking it, I was like, I don't have that side effect. Thank God from testosterone. But I thought, well, let's take some anyways.

• 1:40:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:35Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. But it was a tremendous amount of blood.

• 1:40:38Speaker 01

  It was a lot of blood and then we had to do finger pricks. I had to do two fingers because I ran out of blood in one of my fingers.

• 1:40:43Dax Shepard?

  They should have done the, the fingers first. Because I feel like the blood pressure then was lower.

• 1:40:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did say, so we should wait a minute for the blood to come back to your hand. And I was like, oh, we can use the other hand. I was in a rush.

• 1:40:56Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, you have places to be.

• 1:40:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:58Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so as I just said, Uncle Grandpa was over. Tom Hanson, my dad.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  Friend of the pod and your dad.

• 1:41:04Dax Shepard?

  Friend of the pod and my children call him Uncle Grandpa because he didn't want to be a grand, well, we already said it. He wants to be my brother.

• 1:41:10Speaker 01

  Of course, he probably hates the fact that he's your grandpa. I mean, not yours, sorry.

• 1:41:15Dax Shepard?

  No, no, we didn't go that far. He's not my grandpa.

• 1:41:18Speaker 01

  He doesn't want to be your dad because that's, makes him very old.

• 1:41:21Dax Shepard?

  He wants to be my bro. And rest assured, he is my bro. I mean, we talk like bros.

• 1:41:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Dax Shepard?

  Also, I admire him and he's a mentor. So he's kind of my dad. So my grand, my kids were in this situation where do they call him Uncle Tom? Cause he's my brother.

• 1:41:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:38Dax Shepard?

  Or grandpa. And so the solution was Uncle Grandpa, which he likes a lot.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 1:41:43Dax Shepard?

  And they go, oh, is Uncle Grandpa coming? Like, that's really his name. Anyways.

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's sweet.

• 1:41:47Dax Shepard?

  So I invited Uncle Grandpa over because Uncle Grandpa's wife, Auntie Grandma.

• 1:41:51Speaker 01

  Uh huh. Wow. There's a lot to keep.

• 1:41:54Dax Shepard?

  Which is less fair to her because she's actually a bit younger than Tom.

• 1:41:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:41:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay. She's out of town. And it's rare that I can have, Tom's never going to come over on a Sunday and watch the Formula One race.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:42:06Dax Shepard?

  But I knew that Auntie Grandma was out of town. So I was like, hey, you want to come watch the race?

• 1:42:11Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:42:11Dax Shepard?

  He's like, and this is what a great guy Uncle Grandpa is. He's like, I would love to, but I'll be at a baseball game at 9 a.m.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  Children's baseball game?

• 1:42:20Dax Shepard?

  Not his kids.

• 1:42:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course not.

• 1:42:22Dax Shepard?

  He's going to Ziegler's kids.

• 1:42:23Speaker 01

  That's so sweet.

• 1:42:25Dax Shepard?

  He's such a sweet Uncle Grandpa.

• 1:42:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:27Dax Shepard?

  Okay. So he goes to the baseball game.

• 1:42:29Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:42:30Dax Shepard?

  He rolls up, Eric's already over. He's been there for a while, but I'm kind of not paying a ton of attention to it. And then Eric's finally like, Dad's out there really doing something. So we go outside and Tom is tearing apart his truck. I mean, the seats are up and all the doors are open. He's on his hands and knees. And I'm like, Tom, what's happening? He's like, I lost my wallet.

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:42:56Dax Shepard?

  He's like, I think it's his shorts. He was wearing like kind of jersey material,

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:43:00Dax Shepard?

  long, cool shorts because he's also stylish.

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:04Dax Shepard?

  And so.

• 1:43:04Speaker 01

  And very handsome.

• 1:43:05Dax Shepard?

  Oh, God, is he handsome. And so now we all join this thing. And I know my dad. If I'm obsessive, he's obsessive times six. He's one of.

• 1:43:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:43:17Dax Shepard?

  Well, he has the strongest brain. So if it is set on something, good luck. So I immediately know like, F1's out the window. There's no way he's going to be able to sit downstairs and enjoy the race without going like, what are the, he's like, I bet it's at the bleachers, you know, I bet it's a.

• 1:43:31Speaker 01

  That would be my guess.

• 1:43:32Dax Shepard?

  Maybe it's at the gas station. He's like, well, I'll watch the beginning of the race. And I'm like, you're not going to even be watching. But yeah, let's go. So he watched like, I don't know, 15 minutes of the race. And he's like, I gotta go. And he wanted to go take his old, because he was driving a super cool old 50s truck. He's got such great tastes, you know?

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:43:47Dax Shepard?

  I go to my office and get a normal car because I go to the valley. It's gonna be, you know, I gotta make sure it doesn't break, blah, blah. So he was on a mission. I think he spent his entire day looking for his wallet.

• 1:43:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:43:54Dax Shepard?

  I felt so bad for him. I text him that night. Found your wallet? No, I didn't find my wallet. I'm like, oh, poor, poor dad. So that was Sunday.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  Did he go back to the ballpark?

• 1:44:02Dax Shepard?

  He went to the ballpark. He went to the gas station. Was not there.

• 1:44:05Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:44:06Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so two days have gone by since then. The gardeners are over today. They're leaf blowing and mowing the grass.

• 1:44:12Speaker 01

  Oh, no.

• 1:44:13Dax Shepard?

  They knock on the door. Is this yours? They hand me Tom's wallet.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  It fell out when he was up ending the truck?

• 1:44:20Dax Shepard?

  Well, here's where the, this is where I became like kind of bonkers. I'm like, what do you, so they handed it to me. Oh, my God. Thank you. Text Tom. Oh, my God, I have your wallet.

• 1:44:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:30Dax Shepard?

  And then I'm like, how? How? And then I find out it was across the driveway in the fake grass where my trailer is. So then I text Tom, when you got here, did you like go look in my trailer?

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Dax Shepard?

  This is a gearhead. Maybe he peeked in there to see what was happening. He's like, no. And now I'm like, I spend the next two hours like, this doesn't make sense.

• 1:44:53Speaker 01

  Mystery.

• 1:44:53Dax Shepard?

  Was it on the floorboard of the truck? When he turned out, it slid off over there, blah, blah, blah. And then it hit me, Monica, like I was Veronica Mars.

• 1:45:01Speaker 01

  Leaf blower?

• 1:45:03Dax Shepard?

  When he pulled in for sure to do the gate code, he opened his door. Wallet fell out. He enters the property, drives in, gates close. Someone else walks by the house, sees a wallet sitting directly in front of our house and then threw it over the wall.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  What a good summation.

• 1:45:21Dax Shepard?

  Yes. So there's a very long winded, if there's any chance in hell that an armed jury did that, my deepest gratitude.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  That's so, you know, we only hear bad stories and that's a nice story.

• 1:45:34Dax Shepard?

  What do they call that news?

• 1:45:35Speaker 01

  That's a good citizen.

• 1:45:36Dax Shepard?

  They're like on news, feel good news or something?

• 1:45:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, just positive stuff. Like, that's great. Yeah, that is probably what happened. My guess would have been that when he was like, where is it? And, you know, he was like tossing everything around. It fell out. He didn't see it. And then the leaf blower situation blew it over there.

• 1:45:57Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it is a very heavy wallet. Dad has a lot of credit. When I held the wallet, I was like, I don't want this in his back pocket. This feels dangerously heavy.

• 1:46:06Speaker 01

  It's like my purse.

• 1:46:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I don't think a leaf lower would have shot it all the way over there. I think would make so, so I was, I was going crazy trying to figure this out.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  I love a mystery.

• 1:46:16Dax Shepard?

  Once it was solved, I loved it.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  Of course, it's, it's strenuous when you're in the middle of it, but it's really exciting to solve a mystery.

• 1:46:23Dax Shepard?

  Yes. All right. Now I'm going to do a really, really heavy push. It's a request to the cherries.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:46:30Dax Shepard?

  You've got to watch Monica's episode of Mom's Car. It is so funny and your face is so funny.

• 1:46:39Speaker 01

  Well, you trick me.

• 1:46:41Dax Shepard?

  I trick you, but it doesn't end there. Your face is so expressive the whole time.

• 1:46:45Speaker 01

  I have an expressive face.

• 1:46:47Dax Shepard?

  You have an incredibly, your, your face betray thee.

• 1:46:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does.

• 1:46:51Dax Shepard?

  And so my post, in fact, was about, this is what no one saw for seven years. Like you kind of think you're understanding what you're saying. You're missing 70% of the data.

• 1:47:02Speaker 01

  You know what? The truth is I do have a face for radio. I have a face for radio. Like they need to see it to believe.

• 1:47:12Dax Shepard?

  No, you don't. Right. You don't have a face for radio, as it turns out.

• 1:47:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, that was a fun thing to do. That was a fun.

• 1:47:21Dax Shepard?

  It's a really fun episode.

• 1:47:23Speaker 01

  And I do get, um, I get tricked and, um, even though I, I knew something was up, but I wanted to believe what I wanted to believe. You know, that's hope for you.

• 1:47:35Dax Shepard?

  Times, but all in all, you did stay into the very last sentence. So I guess it was pretty perfect.

• 1:47:41Speaker 01

  Probable enough.

• 1:47:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:47:43Speaker 01

  Even though, yeah, you.

• 1:47:45Dax Shepard?

  In retrospect, the worst was me saying sun worshipper when I had said that exact phrase to you in the, in the yard, walking to the car.

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you kind of used my like, um, you used my susceptibility to the sim. Cause of course in my head, I'm like, this is so, so we just said it.

• 1:48:05Dax Shepard?

  Yes. Which you now expect.

• 1:48:07Speaker 01

  He's obviously my person.

• 1:48:10Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:48:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. Anyway, yes. If you haven't seen that, that's a fun thing to, uh, listen to. Also, I have a request to the cherries.

• 1:48:18Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:19Speaker 01

  And I'm going to talk, I'm going to talk about this a little more, but, um, Beth's Dead, a podcast.

• 1:48:26Dax Shepard?

  Which is a show you made with your friends.

• 1:48:28Speaker 01

  Yes, that we, many years ago, we armchair, we're like, let's help do that. Like, let's put this thing together, a podcast that is very, it's like true crime-y, mixed with some Nancy Drew mystery elements. And it's very fun. We've been working on it for two years and it is finally coming out.

• 1:48:48Dax Shepard?

  When does it come out?

• 1:48:49Speaker 01

  I'm really proud of it. October 30th.

• 1:48:51Dax Shepard?

  Oh, a day, but Devil's Night.

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, we considered putting it out on the 31st, but it was like, people are busy on the 31st, you know?

• 1:48:59Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes. Yeah, they're racing around trying to get their costume.

• 1:49:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and your kids are dressed and all that stuff. So it's 10 episodes. It's out all at once. It's on Patreon. There'll be links and we're gonna play a trailer for it here. Not today, but when it's.

• 1:49:15Dax Shepard?

  As we approach Devil's Night.

• 1:49:17Speaker 01

  And it's fun.

• 1:49:18Dax Shepard?

  Devil's Night release is a pretty, pretty cool timing.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it, I'm not gonna spoil anything. It does take a ton of twists and turns, but it ends up, there's something so poetic about the way it ends in relation to what we do on this show.

• 1:49:35Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:49:36Speaker 01

  And sim, you know?

• 1:49:38Dax Shepard?

  Very sim.

• 1:49:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Unlike the boyfriend that didn't exist.

• 1:49:43Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I would argue, you so much Charlie Sheen doc. What I'll say is that like, you come in for the rubbernecking aspect. It's so well made.

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:53Dax Shepard?

  And by the end of it, you're like, just really, really emotionally.

• 1:49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, invested.

• 1:49:59Dax Shepard?

  Invested and, and torn up at the end. And it's like this bizarrely beautiful thing. They really did it all. They gave you all the juiciness. And then they really made it quite meaningful at the end.

• 1:50:11Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 1:50:12Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. I have a couple of things. People have been, and they pertain to you. I've been trying to keep track of them as they come in. Fun fact, this is from Lexi View on Instagram. Fun fact, the guy who wrote Contagion.

• 1:50:28Dax Shepard?

  Your favorite movie.

• 1:50:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:50:29Dax Shepard?

  Is also behind the Got Milk campaign.

• 1:50:32Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:50:33Dax Shepard?

  Scott Z. Burns.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  What? How can that be? He was in advertising.

• 1:50:39Dax Shepard?

  How happy are you with that?

• 1:50:40Speaker 01

  I can't even.

• 1:50:41Dax Shepard?

  Your favorite ad campaign ever. Coupled with your favorite.

• 1:50:44Speaker 01

  One of.

• 1:50:45Dax Shepard?

  Virus movie.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Yes, my favorite virus movie. Wow, that's, I love that guy.

• 1:50:52Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, Scott Z.

• 1:50:53Speaker 01

  Scott Z. What's he up to now?

• 1:50:58Dax Shepard?

  Something genius, I guarantee.

• 1:51:00Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:51:00Dax Shepard?

  Okay, now are you ready for this one?

• 1:51:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:51:03Dax Shepard?

  Now, I don't know where this person works, but the way they're saying this, I'm inclined to think they're high up.

• 1:51:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:51:09Dax Shepard?

  This is for, from Pumpy Parr 16. We would love to have you and Monica Padman at the US Open. We'll work on getting this message to your team through the proper channels.

• 1:51:21Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:51:21Dax Shepard?

  Tennis ball, heart hands.

• 1:51:24Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. The privilege, the privilege is outrageous. I can't even accept it. Also, that episode isn't even out. Maybe it came up on a fact check.

• 1:51:34Dax Shepard?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:51:35Speaker 01

  Wow, I'll go and I can't wait to have a honeydew.

• 1:51:39Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 1:51:40Speaker 01

  I'll have a couple.

• 1:51:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, have three.

• 1:51:43Speaker 01

  I'll probably.

• 1:51:43Dax Shepard?

  Take your top off.

• 1:51:45Speaker 01

  I mean.

• 1:51:45Dax Shepard?

  No one's ever done it at the US Open.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  Wow. How, yeah, because it's a classy event.

• 1:51:51Dax Shepard?

  It is.

• 1:51:52Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:51:53Dax Shepard?

  Well, I was gonna say like the Kentucky Derby. Kentucky Derby is not very classy, is it?

• 1:51:57Speaker 01

  Well, they do wear big hats.

• 1:51:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, and they drink mint juleps.

• 1:52:02Speaker 04

  Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert. If you dare.

• 1:52:08Dax Shepard?

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• 1:52:53Dax Shepard?

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• 1:53:22Speaker 01

  You know, most of these um, big events, they have a signature cocktail. Signature cocktails are a whole thing.

• 1:53:32Dax Shepard?

  It's a part of branding.

• 1:53:33Speaker 01

  It is. I mean, you know weddings will often have a signature cocktail. It'll be like their names.

• 1:53:39Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah, the John and Jenny or whatever.

• 1:53:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:42Dax Shepard?

  We should have one here at the show that we offer guests.

• 1:53:45Speaker 01

  Monteska Padme?

• 1:53:46Dax Shepard?

  Which brings me to, which is so weird, ding ding ding. I would love to find out, I could do it, I'm gonna do it. What our guest's cocktail is.

• 1:53:56Speaker 01

  I can't wait.

• 1:53:56Dax Shepard?

  Cause I think it would be great to have a drink for her. I will present it to her. She doesn't have to drink it, but I think it would be a neat gesture.

• 1:54:03Speaker 01

  I can't wait. I love her so much.

• 1:54:05Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I'm quite excited too.

• 1:54:07Speaker 01

  I'm sure.

• 1:54:08Dax Shepard?

  Grey goose limes. Or Rob, do you want us? Just run to? Run out while we finish the fact check? Yeah, what am I getting? Grey? Grey goose and limes. Grey goose and limes. And there's a, Rob, there's a liquor store one foot that way. I made the trip in, what was it?

• 1:54:25Speaker 01

  You did it fast.

• 1:54:26Dax Shepard?

  58 seconds on my motorcycle. Yeah, bottle of Grey Goose vodka and limes. Yeah. Okay, last, can I borrow you just one more thing?

• 1:54:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:54:35Dax Shepard?

  Okay, because this is eventful.

• 1:54:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:54:37Dax Shepard?

  Um, I just like to tell these stories. Um, I, this pattern I'm in of underestimating how much time things take me, I think is funny.

• 1:54:45Speaker 01

  Yes, let's hear it.

• 1:54:46Dax Shepard?

  Because I just am so bad at it. I cannot figure out why I'm this bad at it.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, we'll need to, let's, we'll dig deep after we hear it.

• 1:54:54Dax Shepard?

  Like I think I told you, I was like, I looked at my pontoon, I was like, I'll be able to power wash that in 45 minutes, you know, hours and hours later.

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:55:00Dax Shepard?

  So, there's a tree on our deck. We've had it for five years.

• 1:55:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:04Dax Shepard?

  Kristen hates it. She wants to be able to put a table there and she wants to be able to put shade. The tree does not provide any shade. It makes a huge mess of the deck. It's just like, in theory, it's beautiful, but functionally, it's terrible. It's just like, eats up most of our deck.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:21Dax Shepard?

  And she cannot bring herself to get rid of it.

• 1:55:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:26Dax Shepard?

  Because we bought it and whatever.

• 1:55:28Speaker 01

  I understand, yeah.

• 1:55:29Dax Shepard?

  And then it was like, well, could we have it transferred somewhere?

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:34Dax Shepard?

  Which I looked into, and A, it's, it would be dicey. It might not live.

• 1:55:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:39Dax Shepard?

  And then also, we would need this crane to come in with the scooper. The crane can't go on the deck. It can't drive in the pool. Um, it's not, it's never gonna happen. We can't do that.

• 1:55:48Speaker 01

  Acceptance mode.

• 1:55:49Dax Shepard?

  So she flew out on Sunday.

• 1:55:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:55:54Dax Shepard?

  At noon.

• 1:55:56Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:55:56Dax Shepard?

  And at 2:00 PM, Delta goes, can we go roller skating at Moonlight Roller Way?

• 1:56:03Speaker 01

  Oh, fun.

• 1:56:04Dax Shepard?

  And I go, yeah, if you, you gotta get Lincoln. Lincoln's gotta come. She's got a lot of homework today. If you convince her to put her homework down, then I'll go. They're open at this time. I said-

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  She's such a little good worker bee.

• 1:56:17Dax Shepard?

  Well, what had, in the morning, I had done the hillbilliest thing we've ever done.

• 1:56:22Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:56:22Dax Shepard?

  Which is I hooked two tow ropes to the back of my motorcycle.

• 1:56:27Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:56:27Dax Shepard?

  And I towed them through the neighborhood on their roller skates.

• 1:56:30Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:56:30Dax Shepard?

  So we were doing laps on them. I'll show you the video. It couldn't be better. And we're running into neighbors and I'm like, don't go to protective services.

• 1:56:39Speaker 01

  Yep, exactly. No, that's so fun.

• 1:56:41Dax Shepard?

  So that had happened in the morning, then Delta wanted more skating. So I said, I tell you what, I'm gonna go cut this tree down. It was 2:00 PM. We'll leave at 3:00. We're gonna leave at 3:00.

• 1:56:52Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:56:54Dax Shepard?

  Monica, this- I'm telling you, and I think maybe not even then. This is the hardest I remember working physically since I did was in the cornfields when I was 14.

• 1:57:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:06Dax Shepard?

  I don't think, there were so many times where I sat there. I had my full overalls on, long sleeve shirt, hat, glasses. I was sweating so bad, it was dripping off the lip of the hat, the brim.

• 1:57:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:20Dax Shepard?

  The lid.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:21Dax Shepard?

  Raindrops, the Carhartt overalls were soaking wet through.

• 1:57:27Speaker 01

  Were you using a saw?

• 1:57:29Dax Shepard?

  Yes, chainsaw, I'm using also some, because the cutting the tree down, I was right. I could have done that in 10 minutes. But I have got to get this enormous tree into three green waste containers.

• 1:57:41Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:57:42Dax Shepard?

  And I put tarps down, I was like, I'm thinking ahead.

• 1:57:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:57:44Dax Shepard?

  The tarps down will be easy to clean up. I cutting this thing down, I gotta cut individual little logs that I can put in the fire. It's a huge tree.

• 1:57:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it is a big tree, yeah.

• 1:57:54Dax Shepard?

  I finished at 7:30.

• 1:57:55Speaker 01

  Oh, no, no roller skating.

• 1:57:58Dax Shepard?

  Lincoln, Lincoln wasn't gonna go anyways.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:58:01Dax Shepard?

  So I didn't feel terribly bad about that, but I was just like, oh my God.

• 1:58:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:04Dax Shepard?

  I thought it was gonna be one hour.

• 1:58:05Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:58:06Dax Shepard?

  It was five and a half hours of me working as fast and hard as I could to be done with it.

• 1:58:11Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:58:11Dax Shepard?

  And it got to this point where it's just like, all these different branches, I have to keep cutting them up. So they'll fit into this fucking garden waste thing. I did get the entire tree into three bins.

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:58:23Dax Shepard?

  It was something else. Yesterday, I could barely move.

• 1:58:27Speaker 01

  I bet.

• 1:58:28Dax Shepard?

  Yesterday, I was like, I am 50.

• 1:58:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:58:32Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:58:33Speaker 01

  Do you think that when something's like on your mind, you have to do something physical like that? So that that's kind of all you can think about?

• 1:58:43Dax Shepard?

  Oh, like just focus on that and distract myself?

• 1:58:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:47Dax Shepard?

  Um, well, certainly. Yeah, like if I'm ever depressed, a great solution, even better than a walk, is some kind of building project. Cause it requires so much of my focus.

• 1:58:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:58:58Dax Shepard?

  I can't like, I can't think of other stuff.

• 1:59:00Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:59:01Dax Shepard?

  And generally, when you're operating a chainsaw, your best to not let your mind wander.

• 1:59:06Speaker 01

  Remember that guy we had on whose fingers got chopped off?

• 1:59:09Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, you can lose some fingers.

• 1:59:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not using that.

• 1:59:13Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:14Speaker 01

  I already, I can barely keep these fingers on as is.

• 1:59:17Dax Shepard?

  You do cut them quite a bit.

• 1:59:19Speaker 01

  I cut them a lot.

• 1:59:19Dax Shepard?

  There was a hell of a police dust up here last night.

• 1:59:24Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 1:59:24Dax Shepard?

  The helicopters would not quit until like three in the morning.

• 1:59:27Speaker 01

  What happened?

• 1:59:28Dax Shepard?

  Stolen car, Carly went outside. She's got some photos and stuff. Stolen car, pit maneuver, car up on the side, surrounded by cop cars, standoff for hours. Person would not get out of the car.

• 1:59:42Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:59:43Dax Shepard?

  Guns drawn.

• 1:59:44Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:59:45Dax Shepard?

  Apparently what they ended up doing is somehow getting into the backseat or the trunk and they put tear gas in there and then the person had to come out. But it was going on forever.

• 1:59:54Speaker 01

  What if it was the same guy who threw the, um, threw the wallet over? You know, cause people are, people are multifaceted.

• 2:00:01Dax Shepard?

  We, we were full of contradictions.

• 2:00:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:04Dax Shepard?

  But Lincoln was like, you know, she was really nervous about it. And I said, okay, well, love, first of all, because at that point, we don't know. Anytime there's helicopters, generally they're looking for someone on foot.

• 2:00:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:14Dax Shepard?

  I was like, oh, and then just completely coincidentally, someone rang our gate buzzer when they definitely wanted to ring the other one.

• 2:00:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:00:20Dax Shepard?

  So it's like the gate buzzer goes off. Now the helicopters show up, blah, blah, blah.

• 2:00:23Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 2:00:24Dax Shepard?

  And I was like, love bug, you know, this doesn't work either. I'm even embarrassing. I go, love bug. The doors are all locked. I have a gun next to me in a safe.

• 2:00:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:37Dax Shepard?

  Nobody is gonna get to you if I'm here. It's not gonna happen.

• 2:00:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Dax Shepard?

  Grizzly bear, nothing.

• 2:00:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:00:45Dax Shepard?

  Everyone's going down if they come for you. Doesn't, didn't matter.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't matter because I think what, of course she's worried about herself, right? But she's also scared. She's, she's just generally scared. Like this is a scary thing. So yeah, she probably believes you that like you're gonna protect her.

• 2:01:04Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:04Speaker 01

  But that doesn't solve the overall issue that the world is scary.

• 2:01:08Dax Shepard?

  Right. It's what I've, I'm attempting to interrupt is like the catastrophizing. It's like I hear helicopters. So then my brain catastrophizes and go to these crazy places. So often they'll tell you in CBT. That's another ding ding. You know, play through every step of what happens. Okay. So yeah, there's a bad guy in, and he's in our yard.

• 2:01:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:01:28Dax Shepard?

  And now he tries to come in our house. Okay. Well, what happens next? We'll hear it from him and it'll take him a while to get into the house. The doors are locked. We'll call 911. They're one feet away. They'll know he's right here.

• 2:01:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:37Dax Shepard?

  Should he get in? It's not like I'm gonna be standing there in my underwear with a spatula. I have a gun.

• 2:01:43Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:01:43Dax Shepard?

  Like, let's just go through every step to try to think of what the reality of this fear would be if it all played out.

• 2:01:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:51Dax Shepard?

  I think this is what you're supposed to do, but I didn't.

• 2:01:53Speaker 01

  Kind of. That was fast. Good job.

• 2:01:55Dax Shepard?

  Oh, my God. Wabi-wa. I'm trying to set a new record. Don't break my record.

• 2:02:01Speaker 01

  Yes, it, I, I know what you mean, and I think you can, I think it's good to do that. But again, it's not solving, it's solving the imminent fear, but it's not solving the greater fear, which is like, in life, these things happen. In life, there's standoffs and the police, like, it's just like.

• 2:02:24Dax Shepard?

  Crazy world.

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a crazy world and it's scary. And it's, I think.

• 2:02:29Dax Shepard?

  I was tempted to tell her we have the lowest homicide rate per 100,000 in the country, but I was like, that definitely won't help.

• 2:02:35Speaker 01

  No, I think it's just like, it's okay to be scared. It's okay. Even like, you know, there was a big, like, you know, car accident outside of my apartment. It was like so loud and everyone, everyone, you know, runs out of the, of all the apartments and like running down the street. You know, I'm looking, of course, I'm not like, I'm not in danger. They, you know, I'm not a part of this accident, but it's scary. People get in accidents. Like, life is very tenuous. And when you're reminded of that, I think it's okay to be scared. But of course, I understand, I definitely understand your position to wanna like,

• 2:03:18Speaker 01

  take that away.

• 2:03:19Dax Shepard?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 2:03:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I talked to my parents this weekend also about a bunch of stuff and, yeah, it's, it's, it's hard when you have like emotions and they're trying to be like, well, it's fine. It's like, well, it's not.

• 2:03:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  And they're like, well, I know it's not, but like, it, it just, you just need, you just need someone to be like, wow, I support you.

• 2:03:41Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  And it's hard.

• 2:03:44Dax Shepard?

  Okay, so I invented a new CBD, CBT technique.

• 2:03:47Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:03:48Dax Shepard?

  Which is I was ruminating on Saturday, okay?

• 2:03:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 2:03:52Dax Shepard?

  On a couple of different topics. And I just made this up in my head where I was like, every time any of these topics enter your head,

• 2:04:00Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 2:04:01Dax Shepard?

  You have to count to 10.

• 2:04:02Speaker 01

  Great, adding a pause.

• 2:04:04Dax Shepard?

  Have you ever tried this?

• 2:04:06Speaker 01

  No.

• 2:04:06Dax Shepard?

  So it's like, and I was like, huh, one, two, three, four. And it gets so annoying because I counted to 10 probably 40 times in a few hours.

• 2:04:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:17Dax Shepard?

  But you know what? It fucking worked.

• 2:04:19Speaker 01

  That's good.

• 2:04:20Dax Shepard?

  Because it's, I don't even think it was like, I think initially, initially I was thinking like, oh, well, knowing I'll have to do that will stop that. That's not it. It's that I interrupt my launch off point.

• 2:04:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:31Dax Shepard?

  Long enough that I, I do avoid the pit.

• 2:04:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:04:37Dax Shepard?

  Of rumination.

• 2:04:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's great.

• 2:04:39Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, it was, it was quite effective. And I was like, oh, this is my new, this is my new technique.

• 2:04:43Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 2:04:44Dax Shepard?

  Count to 10.

• 2:04:44Speaker 01

  Do you ever like count to 10? And then the next time you have to do, you start at 11, 11 to 20? Then you can see how high you go.

• 2:04:51Dax Shepard?

  Oh, that would have been good.

• 2:04:52Speaker 01

  That's kind of a fun game.

• 2:04:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, like the AI who wouldn't count to a million.

• 2:04:55Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. She was very.

• 2:04:59Dax Shepard?

  Insolent, I mean, you gotta call it.

• 2:05:01Speaker 01

  She was insolent. She was not cooperative.

• 2:05:04Dax Shepard?

  No. And she's, she's getting paid.

• 2:05:07Speaker 01

  And she had the ability to do it and she just wouldn't do it for her friend. But he was mean to her.

• 2:05:13Dax Shepard?

  He was very mean.

• 2:05:14Speaker 01

  He was very mean to her. So maybe she was like, you know what? I'm not going to take this.

• 2:05:17Dax Shepard?

  He was treating her like a slave.

• 2:05:19Speaker 01

  I wish she had said, you can't talk to me like that.

• 2:05:22Dax Shepard?

  Right. And he would have said, yes, I can.

• 2:05:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:05:25Dax Shepard?

  Cause you're not real.

• 2:05:25Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 2:05:26Dax Shepard?

  And he would have had a pretty good point.

• 2:05:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, so that video is so interesting because he's so mean to her. And it made me scared, you know, because it's like, oh, my God, you can get so mad at these things.

• 2:05:36Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:36Speaker 01

  But also it was like, maybe it's a good outlet for angry people.

• 2:05:40Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  They can get out their anger at something that's not real. And then maybe they won't get mad at a human.

• 2:05:46Dax Shepard?

  That's a, that's a glass half full.

• 2:05:47Speaker 01

  Like maybe in rage addiction camps. I assume they have camps and stuff.

• 2:05:53Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:05:54Speaker 01

  Um, they can have classes about. Converting it to AI.

• 2:05:58Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I had a lot of good interaction with AI yesterday. He's AI a lot. So Sunday, I saw Instagram video of someone burning a stump to the ground. Cause you know, once you cut a tree down, you have this, you have this issue of the stump.

• 2:06:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:12Dax Shepard?

  And I saw that someone had like drilled holes in it, put kerosene in it, and then it just burnt like this beautiful little fire and disappeared. And I was like, I think I want to try that technique for my stump.

• 2:06:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:06:22Dax Shepard?

  AI'd it. AI I was using was like, I will not tell you how to do that.

• 2:06:26Speaker 01

  Oh, good. Cause it's saying you might burn that. Wow. Okay. I like that.

• 2:06:30Dax Shepard?

  So then I told Eric, my AI won't tell me how to do the thing. No, I just went on Google and I found out. But he said, let me ask Gronk. And of course Gronk doesn't care. Gronk's like, here's what you do. I've never used Gronk, but it's funny that that's, that's the premise of Gronk, right? Like it'll tell you how to do anything.

• 2:06:48Speaker 01

  I guess like, cause I think it also like, I think that's the scary thing about like, if you ask it how to kill yourself, like it'll tell you. There's like no guardrails at all.

• 2:07:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:01Speaker 01

  That's interesting. Um, okay. But did you burn it?

• 2:07:04Dax Shepard?

  No, I decided to ask my landscaper if he knew a stump removal guy. And he said, yeah. And I said, you know what? I did enough work. I like, I was a hero in my own mind. I don't need to see it all the way to the end. Cause I'm sure that's another, that's something I'm like, yeah. I'll light it on fire. I'll keep an eye on it. I'll have a garden hose by it.

• 2:07:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:07:22Dax Shepard?

  But was this gonna take eight hours? I can't sit and watch a stump burn.

• 2:07:26Speaker 01

  That's too much.

• 2:07:27Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. As I know you mentioned drilling all the holes.

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  He's according to you.

• 2:07:31Dax Shepard?

  It is fire season, but we're not, we're in a suspicious, and I'm grateful for it, but like it is so fine.

• 2:07:38Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:07:38Dax Shepard?

  Weather wise.

• 2:07:39Speaker 01

  It's very temperate.

• 2:07:40Dax Shepard?

  It's usually impossibly hot right now.

• 2:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. Um, all right. Shall we do some facts?

• 2:07:46Dax Shepard?

  Yes, I love facts.

• 2:07:48Speaker 01

  So we have something fun. We have a clip.

• 2:07:51Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:07:52Speaker 01

  We have a exclusive clip from Nobody Wants This.

• 2:07:56Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:07:57Speaker 01

  Between Justin and Kristen, which is super fun. So we're gonna play it.

• 2:08:01Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 2:08:02Speaker 03

  Noah will make such a good dad. He'd be like one of those guys who puts their kids on their shoulders to watch the Fireworks.

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  Ugh, I can never see over those people. Have you guys even talked about the kid thing yet?

• 2:08:13Speaker 03

  We both want them. He even used the words "our kids" on Valentine's Day.

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  Right, but has he actually talked about it with you? Because like, these would be rabbis' kids. What's that like, you know? No bacon, no Santa, like praying for fun.

• 2:08:26Speaker 03

  Well, we haven't gotten that far. Oh my god, no Santa?

• 2:08:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:08:31Speaker 03

  I didn't even think about that. I guess the kids and I'll just have to come live with you every December.

• 2:08:35Speaker 02

  No, no, I don't like kids.

• 2:08:39Speaker 01

  Super cute.

• 2:08:40Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:41Speaker 01

  Super cute.

• 2:08:42Dax Shepard?

  Are we... Well, what age is Kristen playing in the show? Makes me wonder. Have they established her age?

• 2:08:48Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 2:08:49Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:08:50Speaker 01

  I mean, I think she's mid-30s.

• 2:08:52Dax Shepard?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:08:54Speaker 01

  I think.

• 2:08:55Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 2:08:56Speaker 01

  Although Aaron's 43.

• 2:08:58Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  So...

• 2:09:01Dax Shepard?

  But she's telling the story of when she met her real-life husband.

• 2:09:05Speaker 01

  So, okay, I'm still thinking mid-30s.

• 2:09:07Dax Shepard?

  She's playing 29, 30?

• 2:09:09Speaker 01

  Probably mid-30s. Mid-30s.

• 2:09:12Dax Shepard?

  I have done that. I've been in things and been like... Well, I'll tell you something that was really weird.

• 2:09:18Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:09:18Dax Shepard?

  I was, in theory originally, and I think they addressed this, Crosby was younger than Julia.

• 2:09:25Speaker 01

  Crosby was younger than Julia?

• 2:09:29Dax Shepard?

  In parenthood.

• 2:09:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that makes sense to me.

• 2:09:32Dax Shepard?

  But I was much older than Erica.

• 2:09:34Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 2:09:34Dax Shepard?

  And I think for a while, we were trying to play it that way. And then it was just like, this is ridiculous. He clearly is not younger than Julia.

• 2:09:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't know. I would have totally thought that you were.

• 2:09:46Dax Shepard?

  Wow, because I think she's a good eight years younger than me.

• 2:09:50Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:09:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah. While we... While will you find out how old Erica Christiansen is? She is 43, 1982. Seven.

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  Seven years younger than you.

• 2:10:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:10:02Dax Shepard?

  And she looked young, and I didn't look young for my age. So, it's really compounded.

• 2:10:06Speaker 01

  You looked young in that show.

• 2:10:08Dax Shepard?

  We would go, what's... Hold on a second. Well, I remember we had to work through the logic of several scenes, and then we changed the dialogue.

• 2:10:15Speaker 01

  You don't look...

• 2:10:16Dax Shepard?

  It's because she's in a business suit.

• 2:10:18Speaker 01

  Exactly. The way, the way this show was and the way these characters were written and the way you guys dressed and looked, you do not look...

• 2:10:28Dax Shepard?

  Oh, let's see about here.

• 2:10:29Speaker 01

  You look the youngest.

• 2:10:31Dax Shepard?

  I don't know. No, look at Erica, she's like a baby. Cause I would, by the way, what a weird smile on my face. I'm smiling like this.

• 2:10:42Speaker 01

  No. No, you're just smiling small. It's just a small smile.

• 2:10:47Dax Shepard?

  Cute Peter Krause is.

• 2:10:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, the whole gang is very cute.

• 2:10:51Dax Shepard?

  Playful face.

• 2:10:53Speaker 01

  Cause people who aren't watching, um, that we have a picture of the parenthood cast up. I think that you, you, you guys look like you're one year apart. Like you're, you guys are Irish twins and it could go either way.

• 2:11:08Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:11:09Speaker 01

  Young.

• 2:11:09Dax Shepard?

  I think I look Bonnie's age in that photo. I think you look even younger because you're not as buff in this photo. Hmm. I think that's playing a role. That's tricking us a little bit.

• 2:11:21Speaker 01

  You look young here.

• 2:11:23Dax Shepard?

  I think younger in the other picture, but yes, I feel, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying.

• 2:11:26Speaker 01

  What's the other picture?

• 2:11:27Dax Shepard?

  Look at the previous one. I think I look way younger.

• 2:11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. And those are the same season.

• 2:11:33Dax Shepard?

  It's, well, clearly it's not. Cause look at my hair. What's it 10 feet long in one and then short in the other?

• 2:11:40Speaker 01

  How old were you again?

• 2:11:42Dax Shepard?

  I was.

• 2:11:43Speaker 01

  High age.

• 2:11:44Dax Shepard?

  Thirty three, no, thirty three to thirty nine.

• 2:11:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Sometimes age gets tricky on screen.

• 2:11:53Dax Shepard?

  But I think, I want to say it was even at play in, in Blessed Is Mess where it was like, I had been written three or four years younger, maybe even five. And I was like, yeah, that's great. That's great. Trick the audience so I can do this longer.

• 2:12:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:06Dax Shepard?

  That's kind of what I was thinking.

• 2:12:08Speaker 01

  I mean, some people look young, like Timothy Olyphant.

• 2:12:13Dax Shepard?

  Tell me about it. I do not now. There we go. First of all, great episode.

• 2:12:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:12:20Dax Shepard?

  If you didn't hear TO, it's a great episode. And I was watching the YouTube version and for sure I could play his older brother if we dyed his hair. His gray hair is the only thing about him.

• 2:12:33Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:12:33Dax Shepard?

  That doesn't look way younger.

• 2:12:34Speaker 01

  Your hair gray.

• 2:12:36Dax Shepard?

  And his jet black. I could play his dad.

• 2:12:40Speaker 01

  I do think the muscular body ages you up a tiny bit.

• 2:12:45Dax Shepard?

  Sure.

• 2:12:45Speaker 01

  I still think you look much younger than your age though. You're 50 years old.

• 2:12:51Dax Shepard?

  Fifty fucking years old. I, it's so also relative. Cause it's again, I'll sit now at Olafan, he's 57. I'm like, what the fuck? Or I'm with Brad Pitt and he's 11 years older than me or 12. I'm like, what the fuck? And then I'm around people I grew up with and I'm like, no, I do look younger than them.

• 2:13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:08Dax Shepard?

  A lot of them. So it's just like who you're comparing yourself to. A bunch of actors or a bunch of

• 2:13:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:13:13Dax Shepard?

  People's real careers.

• 2:13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, but I think even for an actor, who's another 50 year old actor? Oh, you know, who's 50, who looks unbelievable. I didn't real, Sarah Paulson.

• 2:13:26Dax Shepard?

  Oh, she's so cute.

• 2:13:27Speaker 01

  She's 50.

• 2:13:29Dax Shepard?

  She's 50 years old.

• 2:13:31Speaker 01

  She looks 35 years old. She's 35 years old.

• 2:13:34Speaker 03

  Joaquin Phoenix, Adam Sandler, Bradley Cooper.

• 2:13:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:38Speaker 03

  Angelina Jolie.

• 2:13:39Speaker 01

  Oh, I guess it's hard with the women, but uh, yeah, I think you look young in that category.

• 2:13:45Dax Shepard?

  Okay. Do you think I should have a facelift?

• 2:13:48Speaker 01

  No, we've discussed this. I don't think you should.

• 2:13:50Dax Shepard?

  I don't either, but I do think a lot of people have facelifts. Yeah.

• 2:13:53Speaker 01

  They do.

• 2:13:54Dax Shepard?

  They do. I, something must have changed in the technology.

• 2:13:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:58Dax Shepard?

  I think there must be breakthroughs because Kristen's been a high alert. I kind of didn't believe her at first, but then I saw some things. I was like, oh God, she's right about all these people.

• 2:14:06Speaker 01

  There's a lot of them.

• 2:14:06Dax Shepard?

  But they look so, they don't look like, like I'm, I have in my mind what a facelift look like on, on Burt Reynolds, my hero.

• 2:14:13Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:14:14Dax Shepard?

  Where it was like his, he was tight as a drum.

• 2:14:17Speaker 01

  I know. It's definitely more natural now.

• 2:14:21Dax Shepard?

  Something has improved.

• 2:14:23Speaker 01

  But also people are kind of getting them younger.

• 2:14:26Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 2:14:27Speaker 01

  And I think that has to do with why it's a little confusing.

• 2:14:30Dax Shepard?

  If you're going to have them, that is smart to get, start getting them younger.

• 2:14:33Speaker 01

  Should I get one?

• 2:14:36Dax Shepard?

  After you just said, I can't have one.

• 2:14:38Speaker 01

  Well, you can't, doesn't mean I can't.

• 2:14:42Dax Shepard?

  It's true.

• 2:14:42Speaker 01

  We're different people.

• 2:14:43Dax Shepard?

  We are.

• 2:14:44Speaker 01

  And I'm a woman.

• 2:14:46Dax Shepard?

  A woman.

• 2:14:47Speaker 01

  And there, there are women my age who have had them.

• 2:14:50Dax Shepard?

  You know, a good question is, is like, would I get one for?

• 2:14:56Dax Shepard?

  A dream role with either Tarantino or Scorsese or one of these like once in a lifetime. Want to die having done that?

• 2:15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:15:05Dax Shepard?

  Probably because I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck one way or the other. But if I could do this rad thing and the person was 39 or whatever the hell the reason was.

• 2:15:15Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:15:16Dax Shepard?

  Maybe.

• 2:15:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I.

• 2:15:18Dax Shepard?

  God knows I'm not afraid of surgery.

• 2:15:20Speaker 01

  Think you're, I don't think, I think if anything, you're going to be playing your age or up. These days.

• 2:15:30Dax Shepard?

  I am gonna act.

• 2:15:32Speaker 01

  I get, do you want to tell everyone?

• 2:15:33Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I don't know if I'm, I don't think I can say what, but I'm gonna act.

• 2:15:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have a job coming up.

• 2:15:39Dax Shepard?

  I have a job coming up. I think I have six episodes or something coming up. Yeah, yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.

• 2:15:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm really happy for you.

• 2:15:46Dax Shepard?

  It's in my realm of dreamy experiences.

• 2:15:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's going to be such a great time. I'm very excited to watch it.

• 2:15:53Dax Shepard?

  Oh, thank you. Yes, I'm really excited. And as soon as I'm allowed to say what it is, I'll say it.

• 2:15:58Speaker 01

  Yes. Okay, couple of things. Justine means justice. It does.

• 2:16:05Dax Shepard?

  It does. That's just a fact.

• 2:16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, just, fair, righteous, deriving from the Latin word justice. I think that's cool.

• 2:16:13Speaker 01

  I looked up what your name meant.

• 2:16:15Dax Shepard?

  It means the German stock exchange.

• 2:16:17Speaker 01

  No, it is a, the name Dax is a French place name, meaning leader or from the waters.

• 2:16:25Dax Shepard?

  Well, I'm a lake boy.

• 2:16:26Speaker 01

  I know. I know.

• 2:16:28Dax Shepard?

  Well, well, well, that was quite.

• 2:16:30Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 2:16:31Dax Shepard?

  Delta, for some reason, has an astrology book and she was reading me the Capricorn description and she had a lot of beef with it.

• 2:16:37Speaker 01

  She did.

• 2:16:38Dax Shepard?

  She did. Cautious, there's like a lot of cautious.

• 2:16:42Speaker 01

  I've never heard.

• 2:16:43Dax Shepard?

  Careful and cautious. And she's like, Dad, this is not you.

• 2:16:48Speaker 01

  What about when she got to all the other qualities that are exactly you?

• 2:16:52Dax Shepard?

  She was kind of stuck on the ones that weren't.

• 2:16:54Speaker 01

  Doing the opposite of what most people do.

• 2:16:56Dax Shepard?

  Well, it's telling, to be honest, because when she read hers, she thought it was dead spot on, no issues. I think people are reading about themselves. They, they do something interesting, but when they hear about another person, they're not invested.

• 2:17:13Speaker 01

  Well, I think yours is dead on. I've never heard that, though. I've never heard cautious.

• 2:17:17Dax Shepard?

  I'll send you a screen grab of this.

• 2:17:19Speaker 01

  Okay, great. But I, I think yours is dead on. I think.

• 2:17:25Speaker 01

  I think Kristin's is often pretty accurate.

• 2:17:29Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, she read Kristin's, which is also Aaron's.

• 2:17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're both cancers.

• 2:17:35Dax Shepard?

  And I would never, what's funny is I wouldn't think of those two people as having a ton of overlap in personality.

• 2:17:42Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:17:42Dax Shepard?

  But when you read the attributes, they really do have all those attributes. Yeah.

• 2:17:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:17:47Dax Shepard?

  Really emotional.

• 2:17:48Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 2:17:49Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:50Speaker 01

  Water signs.

• 2:17:51Dax Shepard?

  Lake boys?

• 2:17:52Speaker 01

  Lake boys.

• 2:17:53Dax Shepard?

  Ah.

• 2:17:54Speaker 01

  Okay, now mine.

• 2:17:55Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:56Speaker 01

  The name Monica primarily means advisor or counselor.

• 2:17:59Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:18:00Speaker 01

  In Latin.

• 2:18:01Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:18:02Speaker 01

  Um, and Rob, Robert, means bright fame.

• 2:18:08Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:18:09Speaker 01

  From the old German elements, hroth and perhost.

• 2:18:13Dax Shepard?

  Oh, Blathar, the berserker?

• 2:18:17Speaker 01

  Yes. Fame and bright and shining.

• 2:18:20Dax Shepard?

  You're all those things. You're famous and you're bright and shiny.

• 2:18:23Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 2:18:24Dax Shepard?

  You lived up to your name.

• 2:18:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I didn't look up anybody else, but just that.

• 2:18:28Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:18:28Speaker 01

  Okay, are people with ADHD, uh, justice seekers?

• 2:18:32Dax Shepard?

  Right.

• 2:18:33Speaker 01

  According to AI.

• 2:18:34Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:18:35Speaker 01

  Yes, individuals with ADHD are more likely to be justice sensitive, meaning they perceive injustice more frequently and experience stronger emotional and behavioral reactions to it, though this can also be overwhelming. This trait is attributed to intense emotions, emotional dysregulation, a tendency to perceive information negatively, and lower levels of dopamine and norepinephrine in the ADHD brain. Researchers, research indicates that heightened justice sensitivity is a common trait in people with ADHD, sometimes even a coping strategy to navigate social environments. Okay, now what else do I have here? Oh, she asked what your moon sign was.

• 2:19:18Speaker 01

  So I looked it up. You're a moon sign.

• 2:19:20Dax Shepard?

  If you are ready.

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  Is Virgo.

• 2:19:23Dax Shepard?

  Virgo. And explain a moon sign to me. It's your shadow side?

• 2:19:27Speaker 01

  No, it's your emo- it's your emotions.

• 2:19:30Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:19:32Speaker 01

  And I mean, I say this so often, but you may forget, I am a double Virgo.

• 2:19:37Dax Shepard?

  No, I do not forget.

• 2:19:39Speaker 01

  So my moon is also in Virgo. My sun is in-

• 2:19:43Dax Shepard?

  That's what makes you double.

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, my sun and moon are in Virgo.

• 2:19:46Dax Shepard?

  Uh, do you wish you had mixed it up a little bit?

• 2:19:48Speaker 01

  I am who I am.

• 2:19:49Dax Shepard?

  I am who I am. What did Popeye say? I am's who I am?

• 2:19:53Speaker 01

  Your rising is a Libra.

• 2:19:57Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:19:58Speaker 01

  Rising is how you present to the world.

• 2:20:01Dax Shepard?

  Oh, so I present as a Leo?

• 2:20:03Speaker 01

  Libra.

• 2:20:04Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:20:05Speaker 01

  Those are different.

• 2:20:06Dax Shepard?

  Okay.

• 2:20:07Speaker 01

  Libras are known for being diplomatic, charming, fair-minded, and sociable, valuing harmony, justice, and beauty in their environment and relationships. They are cooperative, empathetic, and balanced thinkers with strong intellects and artistic inclinations.

• 2:20:22Dax Shepard?

  Here's one of my grievances.

• 2:20:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:20:25Dax Shepard?

  There's so much positive in the book, in this.

• 2:20:29Speaker 01

  Great.

• 2:20:30Dax Shepard?

  But people are like half and half. I need more of the character defects associated with-

• 2:20:34Speaker 01

  That's so Capricorn of you to say. Why can't we just-

• 2:20:38Dax Shepard?

  This can't all be positive, or it wouldn't be very objectively honest.

• 2:20:42Speaker 01

  It's not saying there aren't bad things. In fact, if you go really deep and you read your charts and you do this, there's lots of bad things all over the place.

• 2:20:49Dax Shepard?

  I need a little more of those.

• 2:20:51Speaker 01

  Okay, well-

• 2:20:51Dax Shepard?

  You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense?

• 2:20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know what you're saying.

• 2:20:54Dax Shepard?

  Like, we're so multifaceted, and this just seems to highlight all of our virtues.

• 2:20:58Speaker 01

  I know, but maybe that's fine.

• 2:21:00Dax Shepard?

  Mom.

• 2:21:01Speaker 01

  Right? Like, maybe it's not meant to talk about the negative parts.

• 2:21:07Dax Shepard?

  I'd argue the opposite. I would say you don't need to concentrate on your virtues and gifts and focus on that. You need to be aware of your character defects and work on those. Like your work isn't to get even better at your easy virtues. It's like to really be honest about your character defects, have a plan of attack to overcome them.

• 2:21:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:27Dax Shepard?

  And if they're not giving you the cheat sheet of what you need to be working on, then how are we gonna improve? We're just gonna like read all these great aspects of ourselves and be like, we're pretty great.

• 2:21:38Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, I guess it depends on how obsessed with yourself you are. Like I think you could read it and be like, oh, these are nice things about me. Obviously I have all these other horrible things about me. These are some of the good things that I should lean into.

• 2:21:51Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:51Speaker 01

  Cause they're good.

• 2:21:52Dax Shepard?

  I just think it might help people be honest about their defects and they might even be able to go like, oh yeah, I have that. That makes sense. Cause I have these other things. I have that.

• 2:21:59Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, Capricorn, here's some bad stuff.

• 2:22:02Dax Shepard?

  Okay, great.

• 2:22:03Speaker 01

  Condescending.

• 2:22:04Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 2:22:04Speaker 01

  Aloof.

• 2:22:05Dax Shepard?

  Oh.

• 2:22:06Speaker 01

  Unforgiving.

• 2:22:07Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 2:22:08Speaker 01

  Pessimistic.

• 2:22:09Dax Shepard?

  Uh huh.

• 2:22:09Speaker 01

  Critical.

• 2:22:10Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:22:11Speaker 01

  Stubborn.

• 2:22:12Dax Shepard?

  Hmm, mm hmm.

• 2:22:13Speaker 01

  Sensitive.

• 2:22:14Dax Shepard?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:22:15Speaker 01

  That could go either way.

• 2:22:16Dax Shepard?

  Yep.

• 2:22:16Speaker 01

  Melancholy.

• 2:22:18Dax Shepard?

  Hmm, no.

• 2:22:21Speaker 01

  Um.

• 2:22:22Dax Shepard?

  I'm very upbeat.

• 2:22:23Speaker 01

  You have, you're not only upbeat.

• 2:22:25Dax Shepard?

  I'm not only upbeat, but I trend upbeat.

• 2:22:28Speaker 01

  Oh, you mean, yeah, you're not like an Eeyore.

• 2:22:30Dax Shepard?

  No, I'm a good time Charlie. Let's go do this fun thing. Let's go have a blast.

• 2:22:34Speaker 01

  But if it starts going, you don't like it. If it starts tipping ba- based on something that isn't your, in your control, you don't like it. That doesn't mean melancholy.

• 2:22:45Dax Shepard?

  No, do I not like, do I like being out of control? Not at all. But I'm not like a somber person.

• 2:22:51Speaker 01

  No, I, I agree with you there. Um, okay. So suspicious.

• 2:22:56Dax Shepard?

  Oh, big time. Very suspicious.

• 2:22:58Speaker 01

  These are all bad stuff.

• 2:22:59Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, I like those.

• 2:23:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23:00Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:01Speaker 01

  Ambitious, hardworking. I know now I've switched.

• 2:23:05Dax Shepard?

  Changed gears.

• 2:23:06Speaker 01

  Disciplined.

• 2:23:08Speaker 01

  Set lofty goals.

• 2:23:10Dax Shepard?

  Virgos change gears without any indication?

• 2:23:14Speaker 01

  Well, we are very balanced.

• 2:23:16Dax Shepard?

  Jump topics.

• 2:23:17Speaker 01

  Here's mine. Here, I'll do some bad ones. I'll do some bad ones. Since you want, you really want to do that. Observant, perfectionist, judgmental, overthinking, fussy, critical. There's just so many good ones.

• 2:23:34Dax Shepard?

  It's just too many good ones, do we?

• 2:23:36Speaker 01

  Stubborn.

• 2:23:37Dax Shepard?

  Do you identify with those?

• 2:23:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. I identify with the good and the bad of them.

• 2:23:42Dax Shepard?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:43Speaker 01

  I think I'm a lot of these things. Yeah. Worry about things being done correctly. I already say overthinking. I said that. Hardworking, extremely loyal, stubborn, I said, I think. Attention to detail. And some of these are two of the same thing, really, like, critical. Yes.

• 2:24:06Dax Shepard?

  Attention to detail.

• 2:24:07Speaker 01

  Yes. My dad would say that because he, you know, has to be so like, he has to look for problems in his job. All the time, looking for problems. And so he does look for problems all the time in life. And, and it's like chicken or the egg. Is it the job?

• 2:24:23Dax Shepard?

  No.

• 2:24:24Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 2:24:25Dax Shepard?

  It's reinforced by the job because then he has a reason to lollygag in that side of himself, you know, like spend a lot of time there.

• 2:24:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:24:36Dax Shepard?

  But I think the fact that that was his nature is what drew him to being an engineer.

• 2:24:40Speaker 01

  Good at it, I guess.

• 2:24:41Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:24:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess. So like, if you need a job, I think you should

• 2:24:47Dax Shepard?

  Figure it out.

• 2:24:48Speaker 01

  Go to your sign. Yeah, go to your sign. Look at the, maybe the bad things and see what kind of jobs require those.

• 2:24:56Dax Shepard?

  Although what's tricky about that is we have completely different signs and different attributes. And the perfect job for us is still both podcast hosts.

• 2:25:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we do very different things here.

• 2:25:07Dax Shepard?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:25:08Speaker 01

  That I think lean into our very specific attributes.

• 2:25:12Dax Shepard?

  For sure. But I'm just saying, this is a job that somehow would accommodate both types.

• 2:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Sure.

• 2:25:21Speaker 01

  Man of the water. So I think that's it for Fakies. It was really fun. That's it.

• 2:25:27Dax Shepard?

  All right. Love you.