IT'S HARD TO BE A VIEWER Ft. Mary Beth Barone | Episode 145

We're in NYC this week with famous New Yorker Mary Beth Barone! Drew and Mary Beth talk about recent unhinged experiences with terrible men, being chronically late, the shocking practice of pap smears, loving The Rock, watching horror movies in the afternoon, getting chest-punched, shutting creeps down in public, and so much more. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:32Speaker 01

  Like, there's a video, I don't remember who I heard this from actually, or if it was like a viral thing, but it was like, what's the funniest misconception your boyfriend has about periods?

• 0:39Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  And there was one person that said their boyfriend thought, "You just put the tampon in and then you take it out." Like, you just dip it in, it gets the stuff.

• 0:47Drew Afualo?

  Well, it's like testing the pH of a pool.

• 0:48Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 0:56Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guest, but before we get there, we are in unfamiliar surroundings, team. We're in New York. And today, we have a New York legend, a hilarious and ridiculously talented Mary Beth Barone.

• 1:15Speaker 01

  Thank you. Oh, my God. I can't believe I'm here.

• 1:18Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, same.

• 1:19Speaker 01

  This is so exciting.

• 1:20Drew Afualo?

  Our first time here together.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  And is this your first recording in New York? Or you've done them in New York before?

• 1:23Drew Afualo?

  I've done them before, but at different studios.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:26Drew Afualo?

  So this is our first time in this studio.

• 1:27Speaker 01

  In this studio. Spotify HQ.

• 1:30Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:30Speaker 01

  The view outside is crazy.

• 1:31Drew Afualo?

  It is, it's ridiculous.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  I can't, yeah, it's just good to be at the World Trade Center on Election Day.

• 1:35Drew Afualo?

  I think so.

• 1:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37Drew Afualo?

  Hopefully, it's a good sign.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  I think so, too.

• 1:38Drew Afualo?

  Hopefully.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  I think we're, I don't want to say anything, actually.

• 1:42Drew Afualo?

  Okay, same, same. But I will say, Mary Beth, I know you were late, but the only reason I'm bringing it up is because I'm always late.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Okay, thank you so much.

• 1:51Drew Afualo?

  So I feel seen and validated by you.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  Giving me that gift. I, time zones are really hard. I'm not going to say who put this event on my calendar. I won't name names. It wasn't me, though. But time zones are tough. It's math and it's it's tech, it's big tech, it's big pharma. I feel like, yeah, just all is forgiven when it comes to time zones for me. But I just appreciate that you didn't lock me out of the building.

• 2:15Drew Afualo?

  That's big time.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  That was, yeah.

• 2:17Drew Afualo?

  That's what big time.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  Big time. And they sort of run, they run shit.

• 2:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  And we don't even know it's not enough.

• 2:22Drew Afualo?

  Not enough people talk about big time, so.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  But here we are at Spotify HQ.

• 2:26Drew Afualo?

  We're breaking the news live.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:28Drew Afualo?

  About big time, especially because I am notoriously and always late. So much so that my team lies to me about times all the time.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 2:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's really bad.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  What's your, so can I have like your average lateness? And then what do you think is like the grace period for people being late for things that you are organizing?

• 2:44Drew Afualo?

  I know, I'm like, anything past five, I'm like, wow.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:47Drew Afualo?

  Even though my time, that's why I didn't care. When they told me, I was like, I don't care. Like, I don't mind at all. I would say my buffer's like 20, 25 minutes. Which is bad. I know, I'm not proud of it.

• 2:58Speaker 01

  That's west coast, that's a west coast lifestyle. Because in New York, if, yeah, if you're not early or late, that's it. But I really love being punctual, so then to be an hour late for something I actually asked to do is kind of insane. And that's just what you're gonna get with me sometimes.

• 3:12Drew Afualo?

  But that's how bad you want to do it.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:14Drew Afualo?

  So excited you forgot.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  I was so excited. I thought I had five more hours to get ready.

• 3:20Drew Afualo?

  I could have 11 hours to get ready and I'll still be like, I need like 30 more minutes. And that's my cross to bear. A lot of times I just blame it on being brown. Like, you know, I just think minority people time runs different. I've always joked too, I'm like, well, you know, whatever time I tell you to show up or like I'll be there.

• 3:38Speaker 01

  Just add.

• 3:38Drew Afualo?

  Two hours added.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Fashionably late.

• 3:41Drew Afualo?

  Because I'm most likely lying.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  You know that's called fashionably late.

• 3:43Drew Afualo?

  Fashionably late.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  So that's a thing. I mean, in America, I feel like there's so much emphasis on being on time. And then in other countries, like, I know there's like one country where the train just sort of arrives when it arrives. And you're gonna get where you're going at some point. But people don't value being on time there, so it's like, it doesn't matter. And I think it's cool to dip into that every once in a while. But in, yeah, in New York, everyone's moving so fast, like, I walk really fast. I always want to get where I'm going and I just want things to be over.

• 4:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  So that's, and that's bad. That's no way to live. Like, I should enjoy something.

• 4:13Drew Afualo?

  Me, I'm living in the moment.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  You are.

• 4:15Drew Afualo?

  That's why I'm so late.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  You're actually living in the, you're living in the past in a way.

• 4:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the moment went without me.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 4:20Drew Afualo?

  And I'm late.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  The train has left the station.

• 4:23Drew Afualo?

  I think New York would like... Collectively freak out if the trains just showed up whenever. Although I'm sure sometimes it feels that they just show up whenever.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  It is one reason that I could never live off the G train. It's the G train's world and we're just living in it. I don't know if you ever had the pleasure, but also what's confusing about the G train is that I've gotten on it, I've gotten on it going in the wrong direction multiple times. Cause it's like Queens is, or Manhattan is toward Brooklyn or something. It just makes no sense.

• 4:49Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  So it's, that's one where I'm like, I think someone from LA designed this. That's what it's sort of feeling like.

• 4:55Drew Afualo?

  I would, I would believe you honestly. That's big subway.

• 4:58Speaker 01

  Big subway, and again, they're sort of in charge.

• 5:01Drew Afualo?

  Right. Helpeteering if you will.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  Well, and when I, what's actually the craziest part of the story is I put in my GPS this address and it wanted me to take the ferry.

• 5:10Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  And the ferry took an hour, so I immediately saw that. I said, I'm getting in an Uber. And then when I looked it up further in my phone, in the Uber, I could have taken two subways in 26 minutes. So I don't know what's happening today. I think everyone's a little out of sorts.

• 5:23Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 5:24Speaker 01

  Due to the events that are unfolding and how, how is your election season been? I mean, we don't have to talk about it too much, but.

• 5:30Drew Afualo?

  It's been, I mean horrifying, I'm sure. Like, most people feel very scared to feel hopeful. Yeah, but hopefully, no pun intended, everything works out the way we would like it to.

• 5:40Speaker 01

  We would like it to, yeah.

• 5:41Drew Afualo?

  You know?

• 5:42Speaker 01

  We'll, we'll know in a couple of months.

• 5:43Drew Afualo?

  Right. I do want to talk about your career a little bit.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Okay, sure.

• 5:47Drew Afualo?

  About being in stand-up.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  If we have to.

• 5:48Drew Afualo?

  I just think you're fantastic.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 5:50Drew Afualo?

  But I would love to know how you kind of got into stand-up. Obviously, I find you fucking hilarious. And I've watched your, um, your opener on The Tonight Show.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 5:59Drew Afualo?

  And I thought it was fantastic.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 6:00Drew Afualo?

  You're so funny. So I would love to know how you kind of got into stand-up.

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was sort of accidental. I always wanted to be famous as a kid. I was, I don't know when you were born. I was born in 1991, so.

• 6:10Drew Afualo?

  95.

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Okay, so I was like Mary Kate and Ashley, or Lizzie McGuire.

• 6:14Drew Afualo?

  Love, love, love.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Seeing all my heroes flourish, Britney Spears, people like that, the Spice Girls. I was very inspired. So I really wanted to get in the mix, although I, I'm not an nepo baby. And I had no idea how to get involved in the industry, in showbiz. So I didn't.

• 6:28Drew Afualo?

  They don't tell you that part.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  They don't. It's like you have to sort of figure it out for yourself. I never got discovered at the mall, which is like a huge thing that I carry with me.

• 6:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh my gosh. Had you ever been approached, like, I feel like my mom was approached one time when I was with her, but I wasn't a child. I was like. Thirteen?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  You were like approachable age.

• 6:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  Did that give you a complex?

• 6:47Drew Afualo?

  Well, they were like, I think your daughter could be a child star or whatever. Mind you, we're in like Chino Hills, California, which again is like Inland Empire. So it's like, it's not even a major city. It's not a.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  But that's the best place to get discovered. I thought you meant they approached your mom to discover her.

• 7:03Drew Afualo?

  No, they approached.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  While you're standing there like a lemon.

• 7:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, right. And then my mom goes, no, we're not interested. And then I go, why would you do that? My mom goes, that guy had no informa- he's in regular street clothes. He just walks up, hey.

• 7:17Speaker 01

  Not even a business card?

• 7:18Drew Afualo?

  No, not even, he had no card. She said, can I have a card? He didn't have one. And she goes, I think that was a scam or something.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Could have been. It could have been Walt Disney.

• 7:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, right.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  We'll never know.

• 7:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  We'll never know.

• 7:27Drew Afualo?

  He could have unfrozen that one day and that train.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  To the Inland Empire for some new talent.

• 7:33Drew Afualo?

  And then literally, the ship sailed without me.

• 7:36Speaker 01

  I think you could have, I think you could have been a star. I obviously didn't know you at that age, but I feel like you, you have child star potential.

• 7:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  But it's, I think it's better to happen later in life.

• 7:45Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Just for like the development of your brain and everything.

• 7:47Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  Um, so I was never discovered. I was never plucked out of obscurity. And so I had sort of resigned myself to like a normal life. And then when I, I lived in New York after I dropped out, dropped out of college. I was working at a startup and I was like, I think I'm gonna take improv classes. Like it feels like a fun thing to do after work.

• 8:04Drew Afualo?

  Naturally.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  I had a nine, nine to six. It's not nine to five, by the way. They tell you that. It's nine to six.

• 8:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  It's a complete scam.

• 8:10Drew Afualo?

  Not including commute.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  It's insane.

• 8:12Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:13Drew Afualo?

  So you get home by ten. How does that work?

• 8:14Speaker 01

  It's ridiculous.

• 8:16Drew Afualo?

  Also, you look like you would take improv classes.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 8:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. I actually never heard that before.

• 8:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  But yeah, I did, I did do that.

• 8:22Drew Afualo?

  Take it how you will.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Thank you. And I will take it as a compliment. Um, I, I signed up for UCB, rest in peace. I think it's mostly defunct now. But then a few months in, I was like, I think I'm gonna try stand up. I was like watching a lot of stand up and I thought, I have something to add to this conversation. And so I bought a Kate Spade notebook and I wrote some ideas down. And then I went to UCB to an all women's open mic. They gave you two minutes.

• 8:45Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  120 seconds to get to bare your soul. And I said, if this, if I bomb, I'll never do it again. But if it goes well, who's to say what might happen?

• 8:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  And it did go well, fortunately slash unfortunately. And so, uh, six months later, I quit my job, broke up with my boyfriend and moved out of our apartment. And I was like, I'm gonna be a comedian. And that's just what's gonna happen.

• 9:07Drew Afualo?

  Right. And thankfully, it worked out.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  I mean, yeah. I'm actually like, why didn't my family or friends try to stop me? Because it's like a deranged thing to do. But they didn't. They just supported me.

• 9:17Drew Afualo?

  That's good.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  And so I'm thankful.

• 9:19Drew Afualo?

  Or concerning.

• 9:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:20Drew Afualo?

  Depending on why.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Well, my, my gay bestie from high school, because I have a few gay besties from different walks of life. He was like, we all know you're insane and you were gonna do whatever you wanted to do. So there's no point in arguing with you.

• 9:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're kind of just like keeping the perimeter around you at all times.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 9:33Drew Afualo?

  They're like, whatever it is you want, queen.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Just do it. And I, I acknowledge my privilege. I had a support system.

• 9:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  If I ever fell on hard times, I could ask my parents for help. So I did get like, you know, part-time jobs and stuff. But I became like a full-time comedian in quotes, because like, what does that mean? In 2019, right in time for the, um, the world to shut down.

• 9:52Drew Afualo?

  Right. Right before, right when performing live was not a good idea at all.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  Right. But I had done enough of it where I couldn't picture myself doing anything else. So.

• 10:02Drew Afualo?

  That's good.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  In the pandemic, it was sort of like, yeah, you're back to the drawing board on like how to express yourself. Um, without the stage, but I found that a fun challenge. And yeah, it feels like a distant memory. But also it feels like it's still happening in a way.

• 10:16Drew Afualo?

  How was it coming up in, in comedy? Like, how's it been as far as like, I know it's a very male-dominated field, obviously. But how has that been for you?

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Um, luckily, we are living in a time where there's a lot of like independent comedy venues. So people like us and, you know, the fellow members of the LGBTQ community, lots of women. And, um, that just non-straight white men.

• 10:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  We have the ability to produce our own shows and grow audiences online. So. But the early on sort of path is to go through the club scene, which is like very tough as a woman.

• 10:50Drew Afualo?

  I'm sure.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  And you hear, yeah, I've, it's hard. I, I don't, I'm, I'm just happy that people starting now have like a lot more options. Of where to perform.

• 11:00Drew Afualo?

  Other than going the traditional route.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Going the traditional route. Because it is just so, I mean, as, as much as. Progress has been made. I think at some of those venues, you still will see all male lineups, or you'll be in a green room and you'll feel like unsafe, or you're just on a show with people that like, you fundamentally don't agree with or align with on any issue. So it's tough, but it's really nice that we have a lot more safe spaces for us and our audiences, who don't want to hear that like bigotry, or like complaining about how hard it is.

• 11:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they don't find that shit funny, which is crazy.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  It's awesome.

• 11:33Drew Afualo?

  It's so crazy how that works.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I want to say that I'm a huge fan of yours. Obviously, discovered you on TikTok, roasting men, which is a pastime of mine as well. But I have like learned so much from you.

• 11:45Drew Afualo?

  Oh, thank you.

• 11:46Speaker 01

  I never heard of body neutrality before you did a video about it, I think, or you had spoken out about it. And I just feel like, I don't know, you are like very inspiring. So I love that you have like all these ways to reach your audience.

• 12:00Drew Afualo?

  Thank you, I appreciate that.

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Awesome. And I love, like I said before we started recording, doing a podcast in full glam, it's like, we can only aspire to such things.

• 12:09Drew Afualo?

  And you know what's funny about that is, I obviously am in full glam and I was working this morning, but what I will say is, when I first started this show, and like it was the baby that it was, I said, like, I talked to my mom and sister, and I only had one person on my team at that time, and we were kind of talking about the show, and I was like, I think I could do it myself. Like, I'm pretty good at doing my own hair and makeup. And then the first day of shoots, it was like rehearsal and then shooting cover art. And so I did the rehearsal, and like obviously there have these very high def cameras, these ones are even more high def, I'm sure. But I did, I did the rehearsal. My mom watched it, obviously my sister watched it. And they were like, oh, so funny, so great. My mom goes, yeah, you should hire someone. I said, oh.

• 12:52Drew Afualo?

  My mom goes, my mom's showing me, she's like, yeah, I think you should hire someone.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  See, I love that.

• 12:56Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 12:57Speaker 01

  I love that moms would say those things that others are afraid to say.

• 13:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And you know what's funny is, that same day, I had a very awful eye infection that I didn't know yet. But are you familiar with Bulldogs at all?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  I am, not like I I've never had one, but I

• 13:13Drew Afualo?

  You know what they look like?

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:14Drew Afualo?

  They get this thing called cherry eye. Where like their blood like literally it pops out like their eyes bulging out and you have to like massage it to make it go back in, right?

• 13:23Speaker 01

  With those nails?

• 13:24Drew Afualo?

  Well, I don't do the massage. My point being that's what my eye looked like. And I was so stressed because I was like doing this for the first time and I was like, it's not that bad, right? And I was looking at my sister. And my sister was like, no, no. And then in post, they had to edit my eye down because my eye was so red and inflamed.

• 13:42Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 13:42Drew Afualo?

  And I'm like going like.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Do you know where you got it from?

• 13:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it was um, something flew in my eye and scratched my cornea. So I had a corneal ulcer, so.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 13:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it was a big, it was a big day. I got two bad news bears that day, which was need to hire someone because my skills are not up to par. Competing with these HD cameras.

• 14:03Speaker 01

  We're gonna lose every time.

• 14:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm gonna lose.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  I'm scared to see what's. I did my makeup in a rush because I was late and so we'll see.

• 14:12Drew Afualo?

  I think you look fantastic.

• 14:13Speaker 01

  I didn't put a highlighter on. That could be, this could be the end of my career.

• 14:16Drew Afualo?

  That, no highlighter? Well, now that you mention it.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  It's looking a little flat. Also, I had to rip my nails off and now I'm looking at your nails with envy. I'm like, did I even show up for work today? The fuck's wrong with me?

• 14:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, for real.

• 14:28Speaker 01

  It's really hard.

• 14:29Drew Afualo?

  It's it's so hard.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  I had Barbie pink nails and you know, I mean, I feel like you probably don't let them grow out, but I just, they were like. They were starting to lift and getting caught in my hair.

• 14:41Drew Afualo?

  And you hate that.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  So I had to make the difficult choice to rip them off.

• 14:43Drew Afualo?

  And you have to rip them off immediately.

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Immediately because if one is off, it's like I'm not going anywhere till I have ten clean fingernails.

• 14:49Drew Afualo?

  I feel like that too, but I've I've I've had these for so long, like this length. That I feel like pretty natural with them now. Now, when I don't have any nails at all, which is rare if I do, but if I don't. I feel like my hands, they look like those little, remember when people were super into those tiny hands and they'd put them in their sleeves?

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, that's what, I mean.

• 15:08Drew Afualo?

  That's how it feels.

• 15:08Speaker 01

  What I have now, it's really scary.

• 15:10Drew Afualo?

  Hands look normal size, but mine, I feel like they're just so small now.

• 15:15Speaker 01

  And now you're used to seeing them with the sort of like elegance of the, and and they really do like trick the eye.

• 15:20Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 15:21Speaker 01

  They really do.

• 15:22Drew Afualo?

  I I think so. I'd like to think so.

• 15:24Speaker 01

  And look at that rock.

• 15:26Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 15:27Speaker 01

  I mean, how cool is that?

• 15:28Drew Afualo?

  Right. Oh my gosh, thank you, Mary Beth.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Sorry, I'm blinded. I hope the HD cameras are picking that up.

• 15:34Drew Afualo?

  You can see this from space, probably.

• 15:35Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 15:36Drew Afualo?

  Just kidding, that's me bragging about my fiance.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  No, it's a fabulous ring. Did you pick it out? Was it a joint effort?

• 15:41Drew Afualo?

  No, not at all. And I feel like people think I'm lying when I say that, but I, I'm a very type A person, so I love to control things and pick things out. With the ring, I just knew that he was not gonna let me have any say in it. Like, cuz I, he was like, "I wanna give it to you, I wanna surprise you." Plus, like, I just trust him so implicitly with things that I like, that I'm like, I'm sure he's gonna do a great job.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Wow, that's so fun to trust.

• 16:06Drew Afualo?

  Right? And he also made it gold, too, cuz I only wear gold jewelry. So I said, "That's my man."

• 16:12Speaker 01

  He did a fabulous job.

• 16:13Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  I just wanna acknowledge the work.

• 16:15Drew Afualo?

  Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm sure he does, too. He's listening in the other room.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Oh, he's here?

• 16:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's in the other room. Not too many compliments for him, though, he doesn't need those.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  I take it all back.

• 16:25Drew Afualo?

  I do wanna ask you, this is one of my favorite questions to ask a stand-up comic, like, female stand-up comics, which is like, have you ever been given advice, unsolicited advice, after a set by someone who was worse than you?

• 16:37Speaker 01

  I mean, I've gotten unsolicited advice from an audience member.

• 16:41Speaker 01

  I did a show-

• 16:42Drew Afualo?

  While you're actively performing?

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Well, I'm sure-

• 16:45Drew Afualo?

  Or was it after the fact?

• 16:46Speaker 01

  It was, it was after. So, I was at Gotham Comedy Club, and I walked out from my set, which did go well, not to toot my own horn. A man followed me outside, he starts pitching me on tags on my jokes, and then he goes, "You should be writing this down."

• 17:03Drew Afualo?

  Oh, no thanks.

• 17:04Speaker 01

  Why? I'm good.

• 17:07Drew Afualo?

  I thought you just wanted to vent to me.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I got, hey, why don't you go back in and do the two-drink minimum that you're gonna pay for? Leave my, leave my business to me. It was, I mean, that's just like, it happens all the time. And it's not, I mean, that's like, one example that really stuck out to me, cuz I was just like, where the fuck do you come off? Also, the pitch wasn't good. Yeah, I'm like-

• 17:27Drew Afualo?

  Are you catching these nuggets I'm dropping?

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Well, that's what's scary about, about performing in a comedy club, because they have so much access to you, and people know your exact location all the time.

• 17:37Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy.

• 17:37Speaker 01

  Which is really frightening. I had to stop posting shows for a bit, cuz there was one guy that was just like, showing up to all of them and standing in the back. And he was just kinda scaring me, so that's, you know, it's, it's, there's any number of things that you would experience as a female stand-up that make you uncomfortable. One of them certainly being getting advice you didn't ask for. And I have plenty of people I go to when I need help on a joke. It is not gonna be a random middle-aged, straight, white man in the audience at Gotham Comedy Club.

• 18:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  It's just not gonna happen.

• 18:05Drew Afualo?

  I have like a running bit where I, I talk about how like, straight, white men, they'll tell like, two fat jokes that make their like, shithead friends laugh.

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:15Drew Afualo?

  And then they'll be like, I should start working in comedy.

• 18:18Speaker 01

  And then they do. And then they work for fifteen years. And then they get stand-up specials.

• 18:23Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  And then I'm in a green room with them. Do you get that? It's really hard. My thing right now is like, if you are a straight man who wants to be a comedian, you better have a point of view.

• 18:32Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  If you're coming in with the same recycled shit that we've been hearing since the dawn of time.

• 18:36Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 18:37Speaker 01

  I don't need, I don't need it.

• 18:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I really, no, it's cool. It's funny too, cuz I, when I, I was like, fucking up a, a different comedian for telling a bunch of, and you know who I'm talking about. But a bunch of jokes about like, it's just bigotry, right? So I, I even said, I'm like, those jokes are, are fucking lazy, more than anything. And I was like, I even said, I'm like, I could find all those jokes on like, your racist uncle's Facebook page, probably with a minion. Yeah, probably with a minion behind it.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Oh, for multiple minions.

• 19:04Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. A picture, that's why I'm like, this shit's just not funny, like, cuz then after I posted that video, I had people going like, oh, people get so offended and like, and like, uh, he's a comedian, it's his, you know, job to tell jokes, to which I'm always like, I would consider myself a pretty funny person. I mean, like,

• 19:19Speaker 01

  As would I.

• 19:20Drew Afualo?

  We can check tape if you guys would like, but I, I feel like I have a pretty solid track record to prove I'm funny. I know I'm funny. But I was like, maybe give me a shred of credit and everybody else who fucking hated it, uh, maybe the shit sucks.

• 19:32Speaker 01

  Maybe it's just not funny.

• 19:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, have you considered the fact that maybe the joke was ass? Like, did you guys consider that, or?

• 19:37Speaker 01

  No, they don't. Well, and they wanna jump on anyone that has a problem with a joke. I'm like, and I will say, I give a lot of grace to jokes that are offensive, but they're funny. I'm like, you know what? There's merit there. It's clever. And/or it makes me rethink something, or I feel like it's like, you know, holding a mirror up to society or whatever.

• 19:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Speaker 01

  But then there's ones that just like, aren't funny and lazy and have been told, like, you know,

• 19:57Drew Afualo?

  Hundreds of thousands.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  On a, it's a joke from a popsicle stick.

• 20:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  It's just like, really? That's what, that's your best stuff?

• 20:03Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  That you wanted to bring to the, the world stage?

• 20:07Speaker 01

  It's confusing.

• 20:07Drew Afualo?

  That's your best self, huh?

• 20:08Speaker 01

  It's really confusing.

• 20:10Drew Afualo?

  That's upsetting.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  It's tough to watch. I mean, comedy's changing so much right now because of social media.

• 20:15Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  I think in some ways for better. Like I said, finding your own audience, not going through the, you know, old channels that we had.

• 20:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  But I do think there's like so much access to being a comedian now.

• 20:27Drew Afualo?

  That comes with, it's like a lot of good and a lot of bad.

• 20:29Speaker 01

  A lot of bad, which I, you know, I think there's a bubble. I think it'll pop in the next few years.

• 20:34Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  I think being a comedian now is what it, what people thought being in a band in the 90s was. Like, it felt cool and sexy to be like a rock star and like, you know, you're getting, I don't know, living like this fabulous lifestyle and make comedy is so hard. It's like gut-wrenching, it's soul-sucking, and it's not glamorous.

• 20:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, not even a little.

• 20:54Speaker 01

  So I hope that that will fade. I don't know what the next thing will be, but I think comedy is just like the thing right now.

• 20:59Drew Afualo?

  That's actually such a good point. And I feel like, like you said, with the access to social media, like gives people, especially if they're able to grow followings, it, it gives people this like false sense of, of like perspective. It's like, oh, well, all of these people online, which is so funny because I have resisted stand-up for so long. Not, and I love stand, I've loved stand-up for years. That's been like my favorite art form for a very long time because I love making people laugh. So I, I love comedians. I've been following many forever. That's why I love your stuff too. And I remember like telling my team, I'm like, I just don't want to find out hard, the hard way that I'm, I can't do that. Like, I'm not funny that way. Cause I understand that it doesn't always translate. Like, you can make people laugh behind a camera, but that's also because

• 21:42Drew Afualo?

  you don't have anyone live with you. And you also don't have any strangers listening to you, so it's like...

• 21:47Speaker 01

  No, you're one of our bravest soldiers. I, I, I have seen so many people make the jump, or what's even crazier is when they, they are failed stand-ups who then become

• 21:57Drew Afualo?

  Online people.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Online personalities. The amount of stand-up I've seen go terribly at a live show that then becomes a front-facing camera video, talking straight to camera. I'm like...

• 22:06Drew Afualo?

  And then it does well.

• 22:07Speaker 01

  And it gets 2 million likes. I mean, look, if there's people out there enjoying it, but so you've never tried stand-up?

• 22:13Drew Afualo?

  I have, actually. I've done, I've done one type five. I did it for Caleb. Yeah, I opened for Caleb and Chris Fleming.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:21Drew Afualo?

  Which is so funny because I was like that at the Largo.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Two absolute icons.

• 22:25Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:25Drew Afualo?

  When I tell other people that story, they're like, what the fuck? Like, that's great. And I was like, I was very intimidated, obviously. And I've told Caleb and Chris too, that that was the scariest thing I've ever done doing this for a living. And I, I don't care about talking live. I don't care about, I don't get stage fright. I never get any of that.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:43Drew Afualo?

  But that shit, I was like losing sleep over it. I was so nervous.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Well, it has an effect on the body.

• 22:48Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Live performance is nature's laxative. I've always said that. It will just like,

• 22:52Drew Afualo?

  Take a fear dump.

• 22:53Speaker 01

  It'll chew up your insides.

• 22:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 22:54Speaker 01

  And then you have to expel it. Um, but that's, that's like a type five, perfect. You could ride that for years.

• 23:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's, and I was,

• 23:02Speaker 01

  You could tour that.

• 23:02Drew Afualo?

  Right, that's what my man, don't say that my manager's here and he's gonna, he's gonna be like, I told you, I told you. He's probably laughing right now. Um, but what's funny about that is like, I was so nervous because I love stand-up so much. And I was like, if I go up there and nobody laughs, first of all, I'm gonna shoot myself on stage.

• 23:21Speaker 01

  Could never happen.

• 23:21Drew Afualo?

  That's the only way I'm gonna do it.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:23Drew Afualo?

  So I'm going out either, one of us, either you laugh or something terrible's gonna happen.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Or I'm gonna change the course of your life. What's that mean?

• 23:29Drew Afualo?

  Changing everybody's lives in this room together. We're all going together.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  But you know what's funny?

• 23:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 23:33Speaker 01

  And you know, joke structure is like, if you are an intelligent person and you watch a lot of comedy,

• 23:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  you can write a joke. You can write jokes. It's like, you notice the different types of jokes and how you can like, plug your idea into that.

• 23:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Um, so I'm sure you did amazing.

• 23:48Drew Afualo?

  It was a good starter for me because I was like, I also wanna, because Caleb asked me like, oh, do you want me to promote it for you? Like, say that you're gonna be there. And honestly, I told him no. And I was like, no, I wanted, I just wanna find out if I'm funny. I wanna tell the jokes. Cause like, if I go, like, my fans might go, which is great. I believe them. They find me funny. But I wanna go in front of strangers, like an audience that's not mine.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:08Drew Afualo?

  Just to really see if like, you know, people will laugh. And he was like, I admire that about you. I think that's great. And I was like, well, I told you my backup plan if nobody laughs, so.

• 24:16Speaker 01

  Exactly. And the blood, the blood would be on his hands too. Yeah.

• 24:20Drew Afualo?

  Plausible deniability.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  There's that thing of like when stand ups get so popular that like anytime they pause onstage, people will just laugh and it's not, it's harder I think to work out material at that point.

• 24:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  I luckily I'm not there yet.

• 24:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:32Speaker 01

  I still have to go up there and try things but yeah, it's a, it's an insane thing to do. I'd say it's deranged, it's a product of mental illness and I regret it. I regret it every day, but it brought me here. Spotify HQ.

• 24:46Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 24:47Speaker 01

  With you.

• 24:47Drew Afualo?

  Spotify HQ.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  In this, in our library with all of our favorite books.

• 24:51Drew Afualo?

  We look so scholarly and well read.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  I mean, from the classic car book to the NBA at 50, I mean.

• 24:59Drew Afualo?

  The Rolling Stones, Unzipped.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Wimbledon.

• 25:01Drew Afualo?

  We just read all the titles.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:02Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny is my book's not back there.

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Oh. So, I'm gonna head out. You, it sounds like a personal issue. Yeah, it's gonna be.

• 25:14Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, speaking of guns, reach under my chair. Everybody has one.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  It would get a lot of views. It would get a lot of views. Do you have a gun?

• 25:23Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  Me neither.

• 25:24Drew Afualo?

  I don't, yeah.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  But some people do.

• 25:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 25:26Speaker 01

  I mean, it's not for me.

• 25:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  I don't, I think we should have abolished guns in general, but sometimes women I, I talk to, they're like, no, it's so powerful to go to a gun range and shoot a gun. I just have no desire to do that.

• 25:37Drew Afualo?

  Me.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  I just, there's, I'd rather get my, I'd rather get a root canal than do that. Just no.

• 25:42Drew Afualo?

  I'd rather get a pap smear.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, oh my god, any day of the week.

• 25:45Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:46Drew Afualo?

  Pap smear, I was explaining a pap smear the other day to someone, I don't remember who it was or why we were talking about that, but I was like explaining what it was and they were like, what?

• 25:57Speaker 01

  It's a shocking practice.

• 25:58Drew Afualo?

  It is.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  And now we have to go less, I guess, like the new guidelines you go every few years, but yeah, to put your feet in stirrups just as an idea is completely insane.

• 26:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's unfair to me.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  But they built, they're like for that, so you're scooching down to the edge of the table and then they, but they pry your vagina open.

• 26:16Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 26:17Speaker 01

  With the speculum.

• 26:17Drew Afualo?

  And then they try to ask you, what are your plans after high school?

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Right. And you're like, um, I'm kinda busy right now. I don't wanna talk about it.

• 26:25Drew Afualo?

  It's kinda hard for me to think straight.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, have you ever had a colposcopy? Cause that's a pap smear next, that's the next step in the pap smear journey.

• 26:31Drew Afualo?

  Well, you are a lot older than me.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm a hundred years old. No, it's if you have an abnormal pap smear, then you have to get a colposcopy where they, and I hate to say this, scrape.

• 26:42Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  And then they send it in to be tested.

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• 27:50Speaker 01

  Being a woman is, it's a lot.

• 27:52Drew Afualo?

  It is a lot. Having uterus in general is a lot. I was telling my cousin Adam the other day about how like, when you're on your period, sometimes it's easier to just sit on the toilet and free bleed into it.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  And...

• 28:04Drew Afualo?

  Because it's so painful to wear tampons or underwear or anything, so you just sit there and bleed. And I just kind of chill.

• 28:09Speaker 01

  And it's the pressure of it as well. Which I guess is what contractions feel like. I haven't given birth yet, but that's what I have come to understand. And that sounds really scary.

• 28:19Drew Afualo?

  I know. I've told him, he's like, "What do you mean, just bleed?"

• 28:22Speaker 01

  Well, because it's just like, you just let it out.

• 28:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's more painful to have something in there. I'd rather just like, you know, it's like the top of the ketchup bottle where you're just kind of like, right.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, you hit the 57.

• 28:34Drew Afualo?

  Right. When you get that little juice first and then the ketchup comes out.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. It's the, yeah, the globs really, in a lot of ways. I think it's so funny when, like, there's a video, I don't remember who I heard this from actually, or if it was like a viral thing, but it was like, what's the funniest misconception your boyfriend has about periods?

• 28:51Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  And there was one person that said their boyfriend thought, "You just put the tampon in and then you take it out." Like, you just dip it in, it gets the stuff.

• 28:58Drew Afualo?

  Well, it's like testing the pH of a pool.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 29:02Drew Afualo?

  The water hardness?

• 29:03Speaker 01

  I just love the innocence of that, the pure innocence to be like, oh yeah, you just put it in, take it out and you're done. Just, yeah, toss it.

• 29:10Drew Afualo?

  Set it and forget it?

• 29:11Speaker 01

  It's single use, it's fine. Um, I love that. And whoever you were talking to about pap smears, they can now take that knowledge out into the world.

• 29:17Drew Afualo?

  There you go. Just a little like, a little tester.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  A little crumb.

• 29:21Drew Afualo?

  Tester straw.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:23Drew Afualo?

  To make sure there's no lead in your water.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  That's awesome.

• 29:25Drew Afualo?

  I don't think my, I don't think my fiance had any misconceptions about it. I did tell him about like, period poops. Sure, like, just basically diarrhea.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I mean, that's a whole other thing.

• 29:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, on your period. Which is like, again, not a choice, it's just kind of what happens. No matter what you eat, doesn't matter.

• 29:40Speaker 01

  It feels, yeah, it's like putting a hat on a hat.

• 29:43Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  It's like, I didn't eat all this. Period was enough.

• 29:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  That's the headline, and that was great.

• 29:48Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 29:49Speaker 01

  But then you have, there's an encore.

• 29:51Drew Afualo?

  Right, and I, and that is a non-negotiable part of mine, unfortunately.

• 29:54Speaker 01

  Are you, do you have an IUD or anything?

• 29:56Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 29:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:56Drew Afualo?

  I'm on the pill.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  I'm rocking that.

• 29:58Drew Afualo?

  The IUD.

• 29:59Speaker 01

  And it's the hormonal one, low dose, and I know everyone's journey with IUDs is different. This one has been great for me, and I don't get my period.

• 30:07Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 30:07Speaker 01

  So my boobs still get swollen once a month, how cool is that? Like, I love it, they're swollen right now. This is me at my, at my best.

• 30:14Drew Afualo?

  I'm happy for you.

• 30:15Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 30:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, mine, when mine, like, mine do like grow on my period, obviously, but mine, I already, I'm packing heat on my chest. You ask me if I have a gun? No.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  No.

• 30:24Drew Afualo?

  But on my chest?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  Two.

• 30:26Drew Afualo?

  Cannons.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yep, cannons, holy shit. I mean, I can, so, and not to bring this up, you're wearing a sheer turtleneck with the leather over it.

• 30:32Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  You, it's a cool look.

• 30:34Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  It's a cool vibe. I can only see a whisper.

• 30:37Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 30:37Speaker 01

  Which is professional.

• 30:38Drew Afualo?

  When mine swell, like, I've said this before, I'm like, if I had small tits, like, the world would open up for me fashion-wise. Because, like, nipples showing small tits, like, no bra when you're, when they're small, it's like, ooh, chic, fashion. With mine, it's like, you know, it's very medicinal.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:56Drew Afualo?

  It's very wet nurse, it's very like, National Geographic.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:59Drew Afualo?

  It's like, I need to study them.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 31:01Drew Afualo?

  You know, it's not like, ooh, fashion.

• 31:03Speaker 01

  It's biology.

• 31:04Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  It's not sexual.

• 31:06Drew Afualo?

  Instead of tits, they turn into breasts.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Mammarys even. Which is cool. I've never, so I would probably give up my first born to have big boobs.

• 31:16Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 31:16Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna get implants, I've decided, but I, all I wanted since I was a kid was just huge knockers.

• 31:22Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  And I didn't get them.

• 31:23Drew Afualo?

  Any particular reason, or you just draw, feel drawn to them?

• 31:25Speaker 01

  I just love them. I think they're beautiful and I just thought, since my mom had big boobs, my oldest sister had big boobs. I was like, well, I'm next. And I never got them.

• 31:35Drew Afualo?

  And God made you funny instead.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  I know. And if I had boobs, I wouldn't have, I would have never told a joke in my whole life. I think about that a lot, how my life would be different if I had big ones. I think I'd probably have like 12 kids. And I would live, not in a city. Definitely not in a city. So it's for the best, but...

• 31:51Drew Afualo?

  You'd be Mormon, probably.

• 31:52Speaker 01

  I would be, I would definitely be religious in some way. Cause I would have, you know, him to think, but...

• 31:59Drew Afualo?

  But now you're mad at him, so you became a comic.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did, and I'm speaking hard truths. But yeah, there is that thing of like, oh yeah, you could show nipple with small boobs or whatever. I don't know. I just wish I had big ones.

• 32:10Drew Afualo?

  Right. I feel like mine, it's like a cross to bear. I, I, I don't mind them, but sometimes in tops, I'm like, damn. But also like, my fitness goals are like, they're not goals, but like, I've always, recently, I'm like, I wanna look like The Rock from behind. Topless.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  My favorite actor.

• 32:28Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  I'm not kidding. I'll see anything he's in.

• 32:31Drew Afualo?

  I believe you.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  I've seen Baywatch, and I've shown Baywatch to so many people. I've seen Baywatch five times. It's a fabulous movie.

• 32:37Drew Afualo?

  Have you ever seen Hobbs and Shaw?

• 32:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 32:39Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well, clearly not a big fan of The Rock.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  What is this?

• 32:42Drew Afualo?

  It's like a Fast and the Furious spinoff.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:45Drew Afualo?

  So, but it's The Rock and Jason Statham.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  My second favorite actor is Jason Statham. Not, he's a, but I always imagined that it's Jason Statham in the movie.

• 32:55Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  It's not a character.

• 32:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he's playing Jason Statham.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  It's the actor who's married to Rosie Huntington Whiteley.

• 32:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  In that, that's him. It's not a character.

• 33:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I kinda like The Rock.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:03Drew Afualo?

  He's playing The Rock.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  He's playing The Rock.

• 33:04Drew Afualo?

  Which I love, and I think he's great at. I think he's mastered it. And we, my, it was like me and my sister, and my fiance, and like our little brother, we like went to go watch Hobbs and Shaw. We actually wanted to watch a different movie, but it was sold out. So we were like, I guess we'll see this one.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Can I ask what the other movie was?

• 33:21Drew Afualo?

  I don't remember.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  I need to know. That's to me, to picture the story. I just wanna know.

• 33:26Drew Afualo?

  Well, I'll, honestly, I remember around the, the year that we went, so I'm gonna have to look it up. Yeah, I'm literally gonna look it up.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  I would just be curious.

• 33:34Drew Afualo?

  But we were like, I guess we'll see Hobbs and Shaw. I was laughing my ass off. And I've shown at least five people that movie. And not everybody laughs, you know what?

• 33:42Speaker 01

  I'm gonna watch it. So that makes sense.

• 33:44Drew Afualo?

  You should see it.

• 33:45Speaker 01

  I just think like a blockbuster, that feeds the soul to me. A blockbuster with a few laughs in it, some action.

• 33:52Drew Afualo?

  I love.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  The Rock shirtless.

• 33:53Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Some high stakes. I'm in. My, I'm sat, I'm seated.

• 33:58Drew Afualo?

  Have you ever gone to those movie, the movie theaters with like the interactive seats?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Uh, I did at Disney. I went to the Bugs Life Ride. That's as close as I've ever gotten.

• 34:07Drew Afualo?

  I remember that one.

• 34:08Speaker 01

  What's that like? When they sneeze on you?

• 34:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  And you get sprayed a little bit. That's a great ride.

• 34:13Drew Afualo?

  That is, you know what? That's so funny. That is an interactive movie experience.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  It really was.

• 34:17Drew Afualo?

  You're so right.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Um, have you as, as an adult?

• 34:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we went, we saw Deadpool, the most recent Deadpool in like a 4DX. So it's not like the one that like really shakes you because what we wanted to see was Twister like that.

• 34:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:31Drew Afualo?

  Glenn Powell, thoughts on him?

• 34:33Speaker 01

  So I, I didn't get it for a long time and then something, something switched in me. And I thought, you know what? I am willing to accept him as a movie star. And that's been huge for my personal growth. He seems like a nice guy.

• 34:45Drew Afualo?

  You're ready to accept Glenn Powell as your lord and savior?

• 34:48Speaker 01

  As a movie, and my lord and savior.

• 34:50Drew Afualo?

  You're ready to accept him in your heart as your lord and savior?

• 34:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, my heart is open to Glenn Powell, I guess.

• 34:54Drew Afualo?

  We say the sinner's prayer, but specifically for Glenn Powell.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  For Glenn Powell. For a few, I liked him in Set It Up. Then I saw Maverick. That was good. I've seen a few of his films and, you know, he's no The Rock. He's no Dwayne The Rock Johnson, but as far as like a heartthrob goes, sure.

• 35:11Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 35:12Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 35:13Drew Afualo?

  Who am I to say?

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 35:14Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  I watched Twister at my parents' house. I didn't get to do any 4D stuff.

• 35:18Drew Afualo?

  Well, I saw people just getting thrashed in the theaters. So we were like, we should go watch Twister, but like that. And then they were sold out everywhere.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  Girl, you gotta buy tickets in advance.

• 35:28Drew Afualo?

  I know. And we were on tour like for a month. So we were going across the country. We checked in every city. We went to 22 cities. We went and checked in every city. It was sold out every night. And we were like, what the hell? Like across the country.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  A woman of color.

• 35:41Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Can't get a 4D.

• 35:43Drew Afualo?

  And misogyny on top of that.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Completely insane.

• 35:45Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 35:45Speaker 01

  How was the 4D Deadpool? Cause I just imagine Ryan Reynolds being there. In all the forty theaters.

• 35:50Drew Afualo?

  It was fun because it wasn't as, I think, intense as there's like a more intense version of watching movies like that. But it would just shake at certain points or like if something explosion went off, it would shake again. It was just like.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  Was it additive, did you feel?

• 36:05Drew Afualo?

  No, I felt like I honestly forgot about it.

• 36:07Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 36:08Drew Afualo?

  But the best part was the fact that you could like recline, like open the legs.

• 36:12Speaker 01

  Oh, that's my favorite. I can't really go to the movies. I have a bad shoulder, so I can't go to the movies unless it reclines. I just can't sit still for that long. My shoulder, to hear that.

• 36:21Drew Afualo?

  It has to do with your bad shoulder.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  It's really bad. It's really fucked up. I saw Smile Two. That's the most recent movie theater.

• 36:26Drew Afualo?

  How was that?

• 36:27Speaker 01

  Wow, I can't say enough good things about it.

• 36:29Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 36:30Speaker 01

  The first Smile I loved. I screamed, spooks and scares. And then this one was just like, they could have really phoned in a sequel. And instead, they made a movie about a pop star who's fallen on hard times. Fabulous. Have you seen it?

• 36:42Drew Afualo?

  No.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  Are you a horror person?

• 36:44Drew Afualo?

  No, I'm honestly, I'm genuinely a huge scaredy cat of shit like that. So if I watch a scary movie, I have to be like mentally prepared.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:52Drew Afualo?

  Otherwise, it sticks with me.

• 36:54Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:54Drew Afualo?

  Like, I think the last scary, no, that's not true. I've seen other scary movies. But like, one of the last ones I saw in theaters was Hereditary. And I went in with no knowledge. I had no idea what it was gonna be.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:04Drew Afualo?

  And it was my stupid sister's fault, who's right here, by the way.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 37:08Drew Afualo?

  And because she said, I want to go see this movie, come see it with me. And I said, is it, is it scary?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Like, Hereditary, it's a family. It's all about family.

• 37:15Drew Afualo?

  It's a story about love and loss.

• 37:19Drew Afualo?

  And.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  And was she, did she lie?

• 37:22Drew Afualo?

  And then when we were in, like, I think we were probably thirty minutes in, and I told her, I said, how much longer is there? I'm scared.

• 37:30Speaker 01

  And that's the last time you ever spoke. I could see Hereditary dividing families.

• 37:35Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  I made my family watch, um, Midsommar. It was after Christmas a few years ago.

• 37:40Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  And I definitely, I.

• 37:42Drew Afualo?

  After Christmas, holiday movie?

• 37:44Speaker 01

  It was a holiday flick. And I definitely, um, I got some angry responses. I mean, people walked out. But I love it. It's such a good movie.

• 37:53Drew Afualo?

  And that was the last time you were allowed to suggest a Christmas movie?

• 37:55Speaker 01

  I haven't been home since.

• 37:57Drew Afualo?

  Miss my parents.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  I actually came on here to just say, Mom, Dad, if you're watching, I miss you guys. Please let me come home.

• 38:05Drew Afualo?

  Are you a big horror person? Do you like scary movies?

• 38:07Speaker 01

  I love scary movies. My first horror movie I really loved was The Ring.

• 38:11Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 38:12Speaker 01

  And I think since then, it just like, for whatever reason, that movie just ripped off the Band-Aid of like, any of this could happen in real life. Like, I stopped thinking that way.

• 38:21Drew Afualo?

  Gotcha.

• 38:21Speaker 01

  So I could watch any horror movie and just enjoy it.

• 38:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  Um, so I, I'm a bit of a horror movie junkie. I had a big spooktober last year.

• 38:29Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 38:29Speaker 01

  But what I do is I watch horror movies in the middle of the day. And as a freelancer, I have the flexibility to do that. And it takes away a lot of the like scary elements of it.

• 38:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  Watching Talk To Me in my apartment at noon, I wasn't scared at all.

• 38:44Drew Afualo?

  I don't know what was wrong, what's wrong with the rest of you, but I wasn't shaken.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  I don't know, maybe try something different.

• 38:50Drew Afualo?

  Maybe I'm just better than everyone, I don't know. Yeah, I don't, I feel like, I, I talked to someone recently that said, oh, I think it was my ancient Alex. She was saying she'll watch them on planes, because there's a lot of people around, so it's not as scary.

• 39:01Speaker 01

  Quiet Place is a fabulous plane watch. Any of them.

• 39:04Drew Afualo?

  Any of them.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  One time I put on a movie and the person next to me was watching Quiet Place 2, I had, I turned off what I was watching. I was completely embroiled with the movie.

• 39:11Drew Afualo?

  No need for my TV.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  No.

• 39:13Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna watch with this guy.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  I watched with him. And that man is my husband.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love him.

• 39:20Drew Afualo?

  I watched The Invisible Man. Was it The Invisible Man?

• 39:23Speaker 01

  That was a weird one.

• 39:24Drew Afualo?

  It was very strange. I watched that on a plane, and I remember me and my fiance were sitting next to each other, and we watched it at the same time. So we like started it at the same time, which was fun. I think it's a fun movie going experience. Yeah, you're watching, and then you're like, to each other.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:39Drew Afualo?

  Mid. You know what's funny is, speaking of watching movies on planes, one time we were flying somewhere, and my boyfriend was on the aisle, I was in the middle, and there was an older woman to my right. When I say older, I mean like sixties, right?

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 39:51Drew Afualo?

  She had a giant iPad and she put it in the little holder and I said, "T, queen."

• 39:56Speaker 01

  Sorry, that's, that's living good.

• 39:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, she came prepared.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  And she, did she have stuff downloaded?

• 40:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, she did. And she had her like neck pillow on, like she had her whole setup. And then she watched, I saw, cause obviously the iPad is thirty-two inches, so I, I saw clearly that she was watching Crazy Rich Asians.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 40:13Drew Afualo?

  Love that movie.

• 40:14Speaker 01

  One of my favorite movies.

• 40:15Drew Afualo?

  And a great plane movie.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  I've, I've probably seen that ten times. And if it's on a plane, I'm watching it.

• 40:20Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  It's escapism.

• 40:21Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 40:22Speaker 01

  And I love that she was, you know, appreciating that, the culture, the lore of Crazy Rich Asians.

• 40:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 40:27Speaker 01

  I would like a sequel.

• 40:28Drew Afualo?

  Right, me too. And so she's watching Crazy Rich Asians and I'm like, "Okay, queen, get into it."

• 40:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:33Drew Afualo?

  And so she's watching and then I look over and it's the part, it's like the, one of the first, I think it's the first time you see Henry Golding shirtless. It's like when they first get there and they're like, "Ooh," it's like implied that they're, you know, they pan to the fireplace.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  They're gonna do, they're gonna do, um, what's it called? Um, they're gonna go to pound town? They're gonna do bam bam?

• 40:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, someone's gonna take them to pound town. Someone's taking someone to pound town. They're both visiting together.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 40:59Drew Afualo?

  And so, he's like leaning on the door frame like shirtless, right? And I'm like, "Okay." And I, the only reason I remember that's the part she was watching is because the rest of the plane ride, she rewinded that one part.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Shut up!

• 41:13Drew Afualo?

  I'm not kidding. And I, to a point where I was like, I was watching her do it, cause I wanted to make sure she was still doing it. But again, brightness all the way up.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  Of course, on a thirty-two inch flat screen.

• 41:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, flat screen right there. And she's just going like this. And then she's watching it again.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  Well, here's my thing with movies. You can stop whenever you want. You can end the story wherever you want. That's why I only watch Atonement up to the library scene and then I turn it off.

• 41:36Drew Afualo?

  And then you close it.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  So you could just, it's just a short film about, about that character shirtless.

• 41:40Drew Afualo?

  She's watching YouTube shorts.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Exactly. I think it's about, your movie going experience, you create the movie going experience you deserve.

• 41:46Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  I, I love that she did that on a plane because it's not private.

• 41:51Drew Afualo?

  And I still think about her to this day. And that plane ride, five hours. We went to, we went to Hawaii. So we were flying from LA to Hawaii. And five hours, like literally five, sometimes five and a half hours.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  Depending on the jet stream.

• 42:02Drew Afualo?

  Right. So she didn't, she didn't watch movies. Trade winds, they play a role. She didn't watch any movies really until like hour two. After she had her meal, she had her snacks, then she sets up her whole thing. And she said, "Time to watch my favorite show."

• 42:17Speaker 01

  She said, "In-flight entertainment."

• 42:19Drew Afualo?

  What confused me was watching the movie all the way up until that point and then never watching past it.

• 42:25Speaker 01

  I would wanna know what happened, but more respect to her. I mean, who knows what, what she had been going through.

• 42:30Drew Afualo?

  Right. And I, and I, I so many times that I, I literally tapped my fiance. And I was, we were both watching her watch that.

• 42:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:38Drew Afualo?

  A million times. And then afterwards, like she, when she got tired, she just locked it. She closed her. Then she woke up, unlocked it, watched the same part. I swear to God. I still think about her all the time. I wonder, I hope she's doing well.

• 42:50Speaker 01

  I hope she's doing, I wonder if she's still in Hawaii. Maybe she is.

• 42:54Drew Afualo?

  Living her best life, with Henry Golding.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  With Henry, we can only hope.

• 42:56Drew Afualo?

  I can only hope. Henry Golding, I hope you found your base, fan.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  I do think you should live, laugh, love, and dance like no one's watching on planes. Like, you should do, like, it's, you're never gonna see those people again.

• 43:06Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  I mean, with, like, obviously be respectful.

• 43:09Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  But I feel like planes are like a safe space.

• 43:12Drew Afualo?

  That's a place for you to just kinda do what you, what you need to do.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Free flag fly.

• 43:17Drew Afualo?

  Cause you're in the air. International waters, sometimes.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Martial law.

• 43:21Drew Afualo?

  Martial law. Up in the sky.

• 43:23Speaker 01

  Up in the sky.

• 43:23Drew Afualo?

  What's the craziest thing that's happened to you on a flight? Like, or random?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I was flying to Seattle a few weeks ago for my tour and, uh, I was sexually harassed by the man next to me.

• 43:35Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 43:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, which has been happening more and more since I dyed my hair blonde. I went blonde for work.

• 43:40Drew Afualo?

  Not more fun, but more sexual harassment.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  More sexual harassment. So I've been dealing with that a bit more, but I have a laptop. I know women are allowed to get them now.

• 43:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  So I have a laptop with stickers on it, cause I wanna make it my own. And I have a sticker that I used to sell that says, "I only sleep with socialists." So that's a sticker on my laptop. And this guy next to me, who then I later saw watching Trump rallies, on his iPad, not thirty-two inches, cause he's a fucking cheapskate. He was, he goes, uh, first of all, he sits down, he's like, "How are you, blah, blah, blah? Fine." I have my headphones in.

• 44:12Drew Afualo?

  A talker on a plane, huh?

• 44:13Speaker 01

  He then is asking me, "Oh, do you wear headphones so no one will talk to you?" Well, clearly it's not working. So then he goes, can I ask you about your stickers? I was like, mhm. And he's like, is this one true? And I was like, I was like, it's, it's interpretive. I just wanted to end the conversation. Like, I don't know you, you're like sixty-five, you're weird, you're like ugly and your face is like really red. You know how Republicans are all really red in the face because they're so mad?

• 44:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like a couch in your grandparents' house.

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Exactly, and I was just like, I need you to stop looking at me. And so then, um, he was then like, is it true? Like, do you really, he just kept wanting to talk to me about the sticker, it's like so inappropriate and I don't know you. And then I turned, he just like kept asking me. Then I turned on, I watched Vogue Beauty Secrets for five hours because they have them on Delta. I watched, I think I watched twenty of them. And he kept trying to, he kept looking over at my screen to see what I was watching and shaking his head. And then at one point he tapped me, he's like, this isn't very socialist. I was like, Vogue Beauty Secrets? I don't think they're politically affiliated.

• 45:18Drew Afualo?

  I don't think it's anything but beauty secrets.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  It's beauty secrets. Let's not make it anything more than it is. And then he kept trying to talk to me during, during the flight and I kept not taking my headphones out. Then I was scared to get up to pee because I didn't want to interact with him, I was in the window seat. And so then he got up to pee, so I quickly got up to pee and I told the guy next in, in the aisle, I need to pee while he's up because he's being so weird with me and just making me uncomfortable. And he kept like, you know, moving his leg a little bit closer and stuff like that. So this guy, I mean, bless his heart, he was just trying to help, but when I came back from the bathroom, he was like, do you want me to switch seats with the guy? And I was like, I think that's gonna just draw more attention to it and I was trying to be quick about it. Yeah, we were like four hours in the flight. And the guy starts walking back as this guy's asking me if he, I'm like, just shut up, please leave me alone. No, I forgot saying anything.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Um, so that was uncomfortable and I guess I haven't, I felt like I was like backed into a corner, quite literally. And that was, so that was weird and bad.

• 46:12Drew Afualo?

  That's horrifying.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  It was weird and bad, it was a weird and bad thing that happened.

• 46:15Drew Afualo?

  And it, it's awful because it's like, what do you do? Like, you can be rude, yeah, but then you gotta sit there for four and a half more hours, right?

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:23Drew Afualo?

  Which is like, that's like a battle you have to be willing to pick. And it's like, unless it's outright flagrant, I'm not gonna pick it, just depending on circumstance, right?

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Oh, and by the way, it was, it was five-thirty in the morning. So, how is your brain already operating on that level? How are you sexually harassing someone before 6 a.m.?

• 46:42Drew Afualo?

  Creep.

• 46:42Speaker 01

  Honestly, it's impressive.

• 46:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  But I thought about going to talk-

• 46:45Drew Afualo?

  You open your eyes, creep.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  I'm like, you know what? Okay, I'll bite. Yes, I only sleep with socialists.

• 46:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  I almost went to talk to the flight attendants to see if we could switch seats or something, but I feel like you're either gonna get a flight attendant who's really nice and puts you in first class where there's one open seat, or you're gonna get someone that's like, wants to kill you. And ultimately makes it worse, and comes over to ask the guy-

• 47:04Drew Afualo?

  And says, "If you don't get out of my fucking face immediately."

• 47:06Speaker 01

  If you don't back the fuck off right now. I'm like, "I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry." No, but my worst nightmare would be like, the person comes over to talk to the guy and say like, "You're making this woman uncomfortable."

• 47:14Drew Afualo?

  I know. Tell him, tell him how you-

• 47:16Speaker 01

  "Oh, so you want him to kill me."

• 47:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, tell him what you told me back there secretly.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  To his face.

• 47:21Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:21Speaker 01

  What you told me in confidence, "'cause I'm a gay male flight attendant and you thought you could trust me." Why don't we just run that back quickly?

• 47:26Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, go ahead, tell him. Literally, don't be afraid, tell him.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  No, and I was afraid. And I didn't tell him.

• 47:32Drew Afualo?

  Well, I'm sorry about fucking that, that's fucking awful. Did he try to talk to you after the flight?

• 47:36Speaker 01

  He was like, "Is this your pink bag?" I was like, "I got it, it's fine."

• 47:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  "Don't come near me."

• 47:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:41Speaker 01

  And I just ran, I ran.

• 47:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  I did my New York walk, right off, right off the plane.

• 47:46Drew Afualo?

  And then all he saw was dust.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  All he saw was dust, I said, "Enjoy the view." Never gonna see this again.

• 47:51Drew Afualo?

  Last you're ever gonna see me.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  I'm sure something fun has happened on a plane, I just can't think of it.

• 47:55Drew Afualo?

  Honestly, I have a story kinda similar to yours happening now, which is crazy.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  I'm sexually harassing you?

• 48:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yes, but I was at like, um, a photo shoot, right? But there's a whole bunch of people there, so, including my team and everything, right? And it was a photographer. And he, first of all, when I got there, like, when I went down and they were like, "Oh, we're ready to shoot." Because they're shooting many people at the same time, so they're like, "Oh, it's your turn." And so I go, and he's like, "I can't work in these conditions." That's like, my impression of him.

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 48:25Drew Afualo?

  Which is like, really like, self-important.

• 48:28Speaker 01

  And to me, pitch perfect, because I'm imagining this guy. I'm seeing it.

• 48:32Drew Afualo?

  So it's very like, "I could never, I can't shoot in this lighting." Like, if I looked over too fast, he'd have a bari on.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 48:38Drew Afualo?

  And so, he was like, as soon as he saw me, he was like, "You're Drew." And I go, "Yeah." And then he goes- Welcome. Like, it's almost like it just flipped, like it immediately turned into a big creep.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 48:51Drew Afualo?

  Uh, and so then, at first, it started off kinda like, "Yeah, you look great. You look so, yeah, you look great." Like, okay, right, which I know photographers will be like, beautiful.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  They'll gas you up. It's part of the vibe.

• 49:03Drew Afualo?

  And you know how sometimes, if photographers are, like, recording you or taking pictures of you, if they wanna adjust something and there's no one around? Cause sometimes they'll be like, "Can someone please fix hair? Can someone please fix her shirt?" Um, they'll be like, "Do you mind if I touch you?" That's what I've been asked many times. By men, women, anyone, right? And so I'm like, "Yeah, that's fine." But he never asked me, and so like, in the beginning, he wasn't really coming near me. But I already, I just, I like to think, I can smell a dude like that, like a drug dog.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. Truffle pig.

• 49:32Drew Afualo?

  Like, yeah, like, I'm being walked in the airport in a circle, right there before TSA.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:36Drew Afualo?

  And they're like, "Just walk through, it's fine, he's not gonna do anything." Like, that's me with creepy guys.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  I am the same. I'm the same.

• 49:42Drew Afualo?

  I just know.

• 49:43Speaker 01

  My, it's, my skin is crawling, and I just, I'm like, like alarms going off.

• 49:48Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  But sometimes, yeah, you just, you gotta photo shoot.

• 49:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so like, and then we moved to the next location, which involves him being a lot closer to me. Whereas before, he had to shoot me behind a table. And so then, when I'm like, standing there, he's like, "So like, what's your thing?" And I go, "What do you mean?" And then he goes, like, "You know why you're here?" And then I go, "I make fun of awful men on the internet." And then he goes, "No, seriously." Also, mind you, this guy's in his 50s, so why are you talking to me like we're the same age?

• 50:20Speaker 01

  We're not. We're not the same age.

• 50:22Drew Afualo?

  No, I, you were in college and I wasn't even born yet. I wasn't even conceived yet.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Mm-mm. You weren't even a twinkle in your mother's eye.

• 50:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, you were literally filing single form tax forms, W-2s.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:33Drew Afualo?

  So then he's talking to me, and he's like, I tell him, and then he goes, "They said something like, 'You have a podcast.'" I go, "Yeah, that's one of the things I do." And then he goes, "If I was on your podcast, what would you and I talk about?"

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Ew.

• 50:45Drew Afualo?

  And I'm dead, like, like, a child. Like, I was like, "This is so juvenile, and I'm at least 50 years younger than you."

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Also, he's at work.

• 50:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. "Hey, buddy."

• 50:54Speaker 01

  You have a job to do. Take the damn picture.

• 50:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and so he's like, "What would we talk about?" And then I go, "I don't know, probably creepy photographers." Do you know a lot about those? And then it's awkward, like, and the only person there is my cousin Adam who does my hair and makeup. And he was facing me, cuz he was like, I hated that guy so much, I felt like I had to stand there the whole time. Cuz other what, he just kept trying to get closer to me, closer to me, whatever. And so I was like, probably creepy photographers, do you know anything about that? And then we were just making eye contact, and he goes, "Yeah, you know, that does, you know, that does happen, and now that I'm looking at these lights, you know what, like, actually, guys, can we?" And he just turned around, and I was like, "Oh, crazy, I don't wanna talk anymore, fucking weirdo."

• 51:31Speaker 01

  I would not wanna be on the other end of you in that, you know what I mean? Like, just eviscerate the guy, like, that's, I, I mean, so many situations, you feel like you can't say anything, so I am, wow, that's, well done. You probably made him feel bad for two minutes, which is more than maybe anyone else has ever done.

• 51:50Drew Afualo?

  Ever done, ever in his life. Also, married, he had a wedding ring on, and mentioned he had kids multiple times. I was like, "Oh, love that, love that too." And then I told, I was like, telling my, my family and my team, I'm like, "You're really lucky that I'm at work."

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:04Drew Afualo?

  Cuz if you caught me as a civilian, and you were acting like this.

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Forget it.

• 52:09Drew Afualo?

  Different.

• 52:09Speaker 01

  Well, so what are you, in that situation, like, did you tell the people that put the photo shoot together?

• 52:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I did. Yeah, I told my family and, and my team, and my team insisted on telling them, and I was like, "That's fine, I don't care if you tell them." I don't mind at all.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  That's, yeah.

• 52:22Drew Afualo?

  And it's one of those where, like, it was too much, like, it's just, you're, you're pushing it, and you're gonna make me turn into the Incredible Hulk. And when I do that, I wake up naked in a ditch, dead bodies all around me.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  All your clothes are tattered.

• 52:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 52:34Speaker 01

  Well, that's very empowering, because I think a lot of people, one, wouldn't say anything in the moment, and then, two, you, it's sort of, you know, it fizzles, and you just decide, "I'm not gonna say anything," but what does that accomplish? I just think, it's like, it's hard, there is still that thing of like, "Well, I don't wanna be the one that complained." But I, I think, like, we need to try to shed that a little bit, and I'm speaking as someone that doesn't all the time. Like, people will be creeps to me, and I'm like, whatever, it's like, it's over for me, but that's bad, I need, we need to, like, be protecting other women.

• 53:02Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely. Well, and I, I think too, it's like, it is a testament to the workforce too, because a lot of time, when it happens at work, like, even I, like, someone like myself. Who if given the opportunity, I would have swung.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 53:14Drew Afualo?

  But like, let's, obviously, we're in a different context, so I can't do that. And even I was like hesitating to really say what I wanted to say.

• 53:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:22Drew Afualo?

  Of what I was shooting, it was very big and very important. So that's why I was like, I don't wanna look unprofessional, but I don't deserve to be treated like this.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  But they're being unprofessional.

• 53:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 53:31Speaker 01

  That's what's so frustrating about it.

• 53:33Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 53:33Speaker 01

  He didn't even realize how he was just setting you up to alley-oop. He's like, what, we talk about on the podcast? You're like, I have some ideas. Yeah, that's kinda as good as it could go.

• 53:43Drew Afualo?

  Right. That's why I'm like, that's how I'll handle it now. But also, I'm like, you're lucky you caught me when I'm about to be thirty, because in my late teens, early twenties, I was insane, for lack of a better term.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Sort of reactive.

• 53:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no, I was very reactive and I was very physical. Like, I, I didn't really spend a lot of time talking when men were being like that.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  What did you do?

• 54:05Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I've, I've fought many, I've fought men before, but it doesn't really go that far, because as soon as they see I'm like, for real.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  As soon as they see you look like, you look like The Rock from the back, and they're like, fuck.

• 54:15Drew Afualo?

  I said, you're not intimidated by me? Take off my top, turn around. Different story.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 54:20Drew Afualo?

  At that point.

• 54:22Speaker 01

  That's cool. That's awesome. I've only slapped a guy once, and it's one of the best things I ever did.

• 54:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's good.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  It was cool. He deserved it. It felt good.

• 54:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  Um, I was drunk and in college, so that's why I felt emboldened to do that, but that's the only physical. I got punched in the chest too in college once. Cause I made out with a girl's crush who was on my, so I was on a water polo team with a girl and we both, we both had a crush on the same guy. She said it out loud first.

• 54:46Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  And then I made out with him for twenty minutes in his dorm, and he never spoke to me again, but she punched me in the chest.

• 54:52Drew Afualo?

  Damn.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  So that was a, that was an L. I took an L that day.

• 54:55Drew Afualo?

  Big L, yeah.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  And I was just like, ow.

• 54:57Drew Afualo?

  Why the chest?

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Why'd you do that? I don't know. I think, I think it even surprised her that she did it. But.

• 55:04Drew Afualo?

  Imagine you guys just became best friends after that?

• 55:06Speaker 01

  We were still friends, that's just great. We were still on the same, you know, we were playing water polo and we had to let bygones be bygones. But it's tough when it matters of the heart.

• 55:15Drew Afualo?

  Were you, were you good at water polo?

• 55:17Speaker 01

  I was pretty good. I was better at defense than offense. My throwing arm is a little weak, but um yeah, Boston College had a club team and I played as a teen as well.

• 55:25Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was fun. It felt like very, a very California thing to do.

• 55:30Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Um, my family's like in the water sports. We are bad at land sports.

• 55:35Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay. But in the water?

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Water, forget it, yeah. So swimming, water polo. I guess there was some hockey and tennis in there too, but yeah. Water polo was kind of the only sport I wasn't terrible at.

• 55:45Drew Afualo?

  That's cool though. Water polo's fucking hard.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  It's really hard and it's vicious. It's kind of cool though. I think it's a place where women really like, they let their animalistic instincts kick in and they're like beating each other up in the water, under the water too.

• 56:00Drew Afualo?

  It's like insane.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  You have to have short nails. They do a nail check because you could scratch people.

• 56:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 56:04Speaker 01

  The amount of times hands were inside my bathing suit pulling me down, but it's like, it makes you feel alive.

• 56:10Drew Afualo?

  Right. You're releasing all of it.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I, I, it's funny you brought up water polo. That's one of the few sports that I, like genuinely I couldn't do, like, because I grew up an athlete. I played a lot of different sports, but like water polo, my mom just randomly was like, hey, I think, I think I want you got, you guys should, try out for water polo. Mind you, my sister and I, land sports.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 56:32Drew Afualo?

  Right. So like, we've never done water sports.

• 56:34Speaker 01

  Nothing wrong with that.

• 56:34Drew Afualo?

  I, I'm, at this point in my life, I know for a fact, like, am I a strong swimmer? No. But am I, am I a leisure swimmer? Yes. Like, I love a leisure swim. But I don't want it to feel like I signed up for like a decathlon or a try.

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Or that you're fighting for your life.

• 56:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, I don't want to feel like a coast guard. I want to feel like I'm on vacation.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:57Drew Afualo?

  Right, so I, my sister and I were like, okay, like, and so she goes, yeah, we have a pool. I'm like, well, I'm sure there's a lot of other things you should know before the pool, but like, yeah, and she goes, it's tomorrow. Oh, okay, um, no, for sure. And so, me and my sister were, we're just practicing in the pool, like, we're doing the little like egg beater thing, right, to stay above. I couldn't do it and my parents were like, okay, perfect. Let's go to the trial. So we go the next day and before you even get to the water polo part, they make you swim. Like up and down four times, but up and down is one.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:34Drew Afualo?

  Right. Didn't know that part either. Like I said, not a very strong swimmer. So we're swimming these laps and like I get so gassed. I didn't even finish like the first pass of the first lap. I start walking, but then I'm like moving my arms and then they're like, no walking, no walking. Like as soon as I got to the part where I could walk. I start walking. I'm like, I'm not walking. I'm standing fully up.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 57:57Drew Afualo?

  And then they're like.

• 57:58Speaker 01

  Feet on the ground.

• 57:59Drew Afualo?

  And I still did all four at a snail's pace. Like I think they were almost done with the trial by the time I finished.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  It was over, yeah.

• 58:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then they sent us home. Like they didn't even let us get to the water polo part. They were like, I think you should go home. And I said, okay. Then, to make matters worse, I drank so much pool water on accident that I got so violently ill.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  You can drown from that.

• 58:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, oh yeah. Well, I kinda wish I did because that was honestly humiliating. So like they sent me home and they said, you guys can still have these though. And we had water polo shirts with the club name on it.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  I bet they're kinda swaggy though.

• 58:32Drew Afualo?

  They, they weren't really.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Save them?

• 58:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, we actually did. I had them for years. I think I threw it out when I went to college, but they sent us home early. They were like, you should go home.

• 58:40Speaker 01

  They said the best thing that we could do for all of us is if you guys left. Because not only can you not swim, but you might actually make other people worse.

• 58:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 01

  At water polo.

• 58:48Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're like watching you is kinda like watching an old dog eat breakfast.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  And that's a good.

• 58:52Drew Afualo?

  Just a bummer.

• 58:53Speaker 01

  They call that a good coach.

• 58:54Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 58:55Speaker 01

  And if you're good at land sports, why put yourself through that? Water sports are so brutal. It's like you're getting wet, you're getting, you're cold. You're in the, people are peeing in the pool. It's like you're kicking each, it's, it's a lot.

• 59:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  And if you're better at land, so what was like your big sport?

• 59:09Drew Afualo?

  Soccer, honestly.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  That's so sexy. Not to objectify soccer players, but soccer is just, I mean, they, it's like, I think it's a beautiful sport.

• 59:19Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  So much more beautiful to me than football.

• 59:21Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  Which feels crass and. Damaging physically.

• 59:25Drew Afualo?

  Yes, to all of that. Yeah, and also like, no one gives a fuck about football outside of us, like, in the US.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:32Drew Afualo?

  Not us in this room.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  And even I don't.

• 59:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, not us in this room.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  That's what's crazy about it.

• 59:36Drew Afualo?

  One of the funniest jokes my sister's ever said to me was, like, my sister's a lesbian for context.

• 59:40Speaker 01

  Okay, thank you for telling me.

• 59:42Drew Afualo?

  You're welcome.

• 59:42Speaker 01

  I feel like you could have mentioned it earlier, but...

• 59:44Drew Afualo?

  My bad. I didn't want it to be a hallmark of her. Again, she's right here. Um, but she told me, like, the best part of releasing the pick-me in me was pretending, not pretending to like football anymore. She was like, "Ugh, I hated it." And she would pretend to like it.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  I mean, I have been there. Are you kidding? I dated a guy who went to Ohio State. I had to go to so many football games. And like, pretend to be invested. I tried to learn the rules dozens of times. I just kept saying, "Why are they, why are they stopping?"

• 1:00:11Drew Afualo?

  Right, a thousand times. When you watch them live, too, it's even more. On the TV, it's like, I've seen people say, like, the last, like, four minutes of a quarter is real-time two hours. On TV, it lasts a hundred million years. Yeah, there are some sports, I feel like, like, I feel that way about baseball. Like, I'm very...

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Well, you know, they changed the rules to make the games quicker. Because even baseball fans were like, "You guys have to figure this out." "We can't do it anymore."

• 1:00:37Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, because you panned back and I'm a skeleton in the chair.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  I mean, it's crazy. The most exciting thing that happened to baseball was when Smile did that viral marketing two years ago. When they had people behind home plate smiling. And props to them for changing the rules, because, like, so many sports just wouldn't do that.

• 1:00:52Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:00:52Speaker 01

  Um, I don't even know what they changed, but I know that the games are faster, so...

• 1:00:55Drew Afualo?

  It doesn't feel like it sometimes.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  It doesn't feel like it.

• 1:00:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I feel like, I've said before, if baseball was all highlights, I would be more inclined to pay attention.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 1:01:05Drew Afualo?

  But it, it's everything in between that makes me want to kill myself.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Well, I was flying out of LA when the, uh, World Series Game Three was on. And people were getting off their flights and stopping to watch TV.

• 1:01:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 01

  If I'm getting off a flight, I can't, I don't know what would have to be on the TV screen to get me to stop and watch it. I, I want to go home.

• 1:01:25Drew Afualo?

  You couldn't pay me.

• 1:01:26Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm on my way to something. I'm not going to stop and just see who wins the big game. It's like, if you just get out of the airport, you might catch it at home. I can't fathom it. I can't, and I, I try to not be too harsh on sports fans because maybe that energy like, maybe somehow equates to less mass shootings because like men have something to do with their time. I don't know. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm just like, how are people so wrapped up in it?

• 1:01:50Drew Afualo?

  I think that all the time, and I think that a lot about men who are violently misogynistic, which means inherently they think all women's interests are frivolous and stupid. And I was like, I mean, you watch other grown men hit each other.

• 1:02:04Speaker 01

  In Capri's, by the way.

• 1:02:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, shins out.

• 1:02:07Speaker 01

  Think about that.

• 1:02:08Drew Afualo?

  Right, and it's, it's funny because when we, we recently came back from a trip with my whole family, including my parents, and my dad, for context, is a really big dude. So is my fiance. So like, older misogynistic men who love sports, when they see my dad or my fiance, it's like, it feels like they saw a famous person. So they're always like, oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, I have to talk to you about sports. Which is insane because neither, my dad is a former NFL player, my dad doesn't give a fuck about football. Like, my dad doesn't care about.

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 1:02:38Drew Afualo?

  Like, he doesn't care. Like, he'll watch it, but he doesn't care. And my fiance is the same way. So this older man like saw my dad was wearing, I believe, a Yankees hat, but it was like red. It's just the color. Like, my dad just likes the color.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:02:52Drew Afualo?

  So he's like, oh my god, are you worried about the game? Because I think it was the same day as, as one of the World Series games. And then my dad goes, I'm not worried. Like, he just says very frivolous things. That man said that one thing, right? And then they were like, huh huh huh, right? Sat down on the plane, whole flight, get off the plane, go all the way to baggage claim, finds my dad at baggage claim, talks to him for 40 minutes. About just baseball.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  And that's the dangers of wearing a sports, a sports team on your person.

• 1:03:18Drew Afualo?

  My dad is so, like, such a hermit. Like, he hates attention, he hates talking to strangers for long periods of time. And so he's just going, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, like, listening. That guy talked at my dad for that long.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  Your dad had an inherently female experience.

• 1:03:35Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. What's it feel like?

• 1:03:39Speaker 01

  You're so family oriented.

• 1:03:41Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  It's like, I love this. I would watch a. Show of you and your family, like navigating the biz, going on vacation.

• 1:03:47Drew Afualo?

  The most insane things happen to us all the time. And it's funny because that man was talking, when my, that man was talking, he worked football into the conversation, talked about that too. Was talking about all these different like games he was at, these players that he's watched, like the hats that he had, whatever, right? Also worked transphobia into the conversation, don't know how he did that. My dad was like.

• 1:04:07Speaker 01

  The mental gymnastic, he's a gymnast too.

• 1:04:09Drew Afualo?

  Right. And then he does all that. And then I, my dads were laying it to us after we leave. And then I'm like, isn't it insane that grown men, like that man was in his seventies, like his hair was white and wispy and gone, mind you. And he's bragging about the accomplishments of other men greater than himself. You're a loser.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, a loser with no one to talk to.

• 1:04:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and no personality. You have nothing up here other than facts.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  You're seeking out someone's dad at the airport in baggage.

• 1:04:36Drew Afualo?

  You're harassing my dad at the baggage claim.

• 1:04:38Speaker 01

  Well, what's really scary about those conversations is they start with sports, then they move on to transphobia, and then they start pitching you businesses. So that can be so scary. That can be so scary. So my heart goes out to your dad. I hope he's, I hope he's okay.

• 1:04:52Drew Afualo?

  I know, I took my dad recently to a Clippers game. Because my dad loves basketball, like that's my dad's favorite sport to watch.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  Now that's a sport.

• 1:04:59Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but he has no favorite team. He just likes to watch. And I took my dad, like just the two of us, which is fun. And it was like a courtside thing, which is cool. But when we got there, my dad wore a wife beater. And my dad is like, he body built, he did bodybuilding competition like last year or whatever. So my dad's a big dude, like he's big right now especially. And like, I told my family, I said, taking him to that game in that tank top was like dropping a ribeye in a tiger cage bitch. Bro, the way they were all like, huh, when they saw him, like, and they were like, big guy, big guy, big guy. They start like tweaking.

• 1:05:35Speaker 01

  That's like weird.

• 1:05:36Drew Afualo?

  Like they start freaking out, like they really want to talk to him about muscles and, and, and lifting and.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Athlete. They're like, I'm standing closer to an athlete right now.

• 1:05:45Drew Afualo?

  And it's crazy how like these men, they've never spoken to my dad, they've never seen him. But they immediately respect him because they think he's like superior athletically. So which, I don't know what the fuck that is.

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  They see him at, like he is like virile, you know what I mean? They're like, this man could produce children. It's like, I feel like it's very, it's biology again, it keeps coming up. I feel like it's that biological thing of like, big man, big man walk hard.

• 1:06:12Drew Afualo?

  Big man seek safety.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Big man seek safety, big man conquer women.

• 1:06:18Speaker 01

  You know? It's really, that's what they're thinking.

• 1:06:21Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  That's verbatim what they're thinking.

• 1:06:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  And then they're like, I need to engage with this person.

• 1:06:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I need to, I need to form an alliance with this person, as if it's like, the zombie apocalypse.

• 1:06:30Speaker 01

  Well, if a war breaks out there, they want him on their team.

• 1:06:33Drew Afualo?

  Honestly, I'm making sure, I, I would love to have my dad on my team in the event of that, but my mom needs to be on my team.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:06:40Drew Afualo?

  My mom's the go-getter, my mom's the, like, she's a very solution-based person.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Is she gonna be out foraging?

• 1:06:46Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah. My mom's formulating a plan immediately.

• 1:06:48Speaker 01

  That's what you need?

• 1:06:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  You need both, you need, you need brains and, and brawn.

• 1:06:53Drew Afualo?

  Right, brawn.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  You really do.

• 1:06:57Drew Afualo?

  Right, that's important to have brawn.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:59Drew Afualo?

  That's what we're missing.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  That's what we're missing.

• 1:07:01Drew Afualo?

  Would you survive in a zombie apocalypse, you think?

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  I think I would, I think I would be good at the strategy side.

• 1:07:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:07:08Speaker 01

  Like, I think if I was in Orange is the New Black, I would be red, the chef.

• 1:07:12Drew Afualo?

  Gotcha.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  The cook, the chef. Um, who like, sort of, is like, everyone's a chess piece and you're moving them around.

• 1:07:18Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  But I think people would underestimate me, especially with blonde hair, and I would actually use that to my advantage.

• 1:07:22Drew Afualo?

  Okay, love that.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  I like to think that. Um, well, I don't know, I guess we'll see in the next couple of months.

• 1:07:29Drew Afualo?

  Depending on what happens, we'll see, I guess, we'll find out.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, what about you?

• 1:07:33Drew Afualo?

  No, I don't think, but not because, I mean, I don't think I'm like physically like incapable necessarily, I just don't think I'd wanna be around. I've said this a few times on the show, but I'm like, I mean, when my phone dies, like, what's the point?

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess you can only hope you're with someone you would wanna have sex with, and then you could do that for a while, and then die.

• 1:07:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and then after a couple, like, thirty minutes, you're like, well.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  See ya.

• 1:08:01Drew Afualo?

  Well, going out on top, that's for sure.

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Absolutely going out on top. I know there's so many zombie apocalypse shows and it does make you think like, what would my role be? I guess I'd probably flee to the suburbs, I'd go to my parents' house and hang out in the basement until they came to find me or something. I don't know.

• 1:08:17Drew Afualo?

  Have you watched The Last of Us?

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  So, I watched a few episodes and it felt like a show for straight people. And I'm 50% because I'm bi, 50% gay, 50%, that's how it works. But I just felt like, I don't think I need to watch it. Is that bad? It was really well done.

• 1:08:34Drew Afualo?

  I feel like that about a lot of shows, to be quite honest with you. I never watch anything new. That's my cross to bear. Once again, I, like, when people are like, "You watching anything new?", I'm like, "Nope."

• 1:08:45Speaker 01

  Well, when people ask me what I'm watching, I'm like, "I guess I'm re-watching Mad Men for the fifth time." So, does that count?

• 1:08:51Drew Afualo?

  Mad Men's your favorite show, right?

• 1:08:52Speaker 01

  Mad Men's huge for me.

• 1:08:53Drew Afualo?

  I saw you say that on Caleb's.

• 1:08:54Speaker 01

  It's huge for me.

• 1:08:56Drew Afualo?

  Why particularly that show?

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  I just, I...

• 1:08:58Drew Afualo?

  Just the vibes?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  It's the vibe, the writing is so good, the characters all have like such different like paths and journeys and it felt like a lot of care went into like the stories. And that they didn't cut corners, the like wardrobe is amazing, the sets, everything just feels so like lived in and real and obviously romanticizing like the 60s and 70s. It's like a time period I'm very interested in, so I just love watching it and I think I think there's some characters that the first time around, like where society was at, they kind of got like shot on. And then re-watching it now, I have like so much more empathy for the female characters and even some of the male characters that are written as, they're just complex. Like, they all felt like complex characters who sometimes you agreed with what they did and sometimes you didn't.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  TV now is so disposable, I'm finding, so it's hard for me to get really invested in a narrative that's just like kind of like flimsy. You know?

• 1:09:49Drew Afualo?

  Tell them.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  It's hard. It's really hard to be a TV viewer right now. That's what I came on here to say also. In addition to saying hi to my family, but um, so what are you watching? Are you re-watching anything? What's the classics?

• 1:10:01Drew Afualo?

  I re-watch Modern Family. I love Modern Family. Speaking of well-written jokes that like are able to transcend...

• 1:10:11Drew Afualo?

  Talking about things that are really hard.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:12Drew Afualo?

  Like, I always reference this joke from a Modern Family episode where, you know, like Phil Dunphy always says things and he doesn't realize they're like double entendres.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Yep, yep.

• 1:10:19Drew Afualo?

  That's like his bit. He has this line where he goes, "Guys, I'm transitioning," and he's talking about changing career paths. And then Haley goes, "Are you really?" She goes, "Okay, well, don't pick Jasmine, because nobody wants to be friends with a 50-year-old Jasmine." That's funny.

• 1:10:34Speaker 01

  That's a good joke.

• 1:10:34Drew Afualo?

  That's such a hilariously-written joke, that's not a mean joke, and it's not a punching-down joke.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  It's not mean, it's not punching-down, and it's not a cultural reference.

• 1:10:42Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  I think there's so much room for comedy to come from cultural references in shows. It's when shows rest on that alone for the comedy that I'm like, "Okay, it's like, I get the formula now."

• 1:10:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  I need something else.

• 1:10:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so Modern Family's a big one for me. I know everybody hate, I know there's like a big hate train for it, but I love The Office. I think The Office is one of...

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  Who hates The Office?

• 1:11:02Drew Afualo?

  People online, and I feel like a lot of times, it's like, I get it, because like, the worst guy you know loves The Office. And then there's a bunch of awesome people that also love The Office. It's kind of like Friends. The worst people you know are obsessed with that show, and also really cool people like the show, so it's like...

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  Well, if you speak out about liking The Office as a cool person and you get blowback, then that makes less people want to talk about it. So, that's really a problem stemming from those people. How do you watch The Office and not have a good time?

• 1:11:27Drew Afualo?

  I don't know. I just feel like the writing on that show is just so unbelievably funny.

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 1:11:32Drew Afualo?

  And in so many ways. Like, it's like in the stillness of awkward that it's the funniest to me.

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  And like panning the camera. There's a really good YouTube video. I love coming on here and plugging YouTube videos. It's about how they changed Michael Scott's character after the first season, because they realized...

• 1:11:47Drew Afualo?

  Because he was so unlikable, right?

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  It just didn't make sense. Like, no one was like on his side.

• 1:11:51Drew Afualo?

  Ever, yeah.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  And they reformulated the character and to make this like, sort of iconic timeless like boss character. But I just think it's cool to, I think it's great people are out there doing that type of work.

• 1:12:01Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  Looking into that sort of thing. And making YouTube videos that I can then learn from.

• 1:12:06Drew Afualo?

  Do you have any other comfort, do you have a comfort movie? I know you have a comfort show.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  My comfort movie is Interstellar.

• 1:12:12Drew Afualo?

  Really?

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Which is, I guess, surprising to some, but I just love it. Another movie where I can dip in and out of and watch different scenes and just be like, "Okay, that was good, and now I'm gonna go to bed." I just love it.

• 1:12:25Drew Afualo?

  You know what's funny is sometimes I'll go, when people say, have you ever seen that movie? I go, yeah, I think so, maybe a long time ago. When I say that, what I mean is, I've seen like maybe two scenes, not even on TikTok. I think maybe like on YouTube when I was just going down a rabbit hole. And I just feel like I got the gist.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  And that's fine.

• 1:12:41Drew Afualo?

  So I feel like.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  Interstellar is there to be consumed however you want to consume it.

• 1:12:45Drew Afualo?

  That's my movie going experience.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Drew Afualo?

  Is watching one or two scenes with no context and then lying and telling people I've seen it.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  That you've seen it. That's a fun thing to do.

• 1:12:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  I don't like, one thing in conversations with, and it happens, I hate to say it, mostly with straight guys. They'll reference someone that I obviously have never heard of and don't know. And then I'll go, yeah, oh, okay, cool. And they go, well, do you know that person? Like, do you know of that person? I'm like, no. I just wanted to keep the conversation moving so I could get out of it. Don't question me when you're talking about like a jazz pianist that I've never heard of. Obviously, I don't know that.

• 1:13:14Drew Afualo?

  You know that about me.

• 1:13:15Speaker 01

  And you know that.

• 1:13:15Drew Afualo?

  Because I'm a normal human being.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  And this is like our one conversation we'll probably ever have, so that's how you want to spend it. Um, I just think, yeah, if you've never, and, and maybe one day you'll want to watch it.

• 1:13:24Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  And it's there for you. It's being released in IMAX.

• 1:13:27Drew Afualo?

  The last time I watched Interstellar was recently and then I realized I've only seen this movie once. And I was forced to watch it for a film class that I took in college. So like, I didn't even watch it because I wanted to. I watched it because I had to. And so I remember when I was watching it, I was super, super high when I was watching it recently. And then as I was watching, I told my sister, for some reason, I convinced myself that I thought The Martian and Interstellar were the same movie. Because Matt Damon is also an Interstellar. And then I thought to myself, because I think, when I think of, and if you're wondering, no, I haven't seen The Martian.

• 1:14:02Speaker 01

  Okay, I love this.

• 1:14:03Drew Afualo?

  But I do know the movie poster.

• 1:14:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Drew Afualo?

  And it's just him with the really zoomed in.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  With the helmet.

• 1:14:07Drew Afualo?

  Right. And I was telling my sister, I was so high watching Interstellar that I was literally thinking I made up The Martian. I was like, that's so stupid. I made up the movie poster. I made up the color. I know it's orange. It's got an orange hue to it. I literally was telling myself, I was like, I literally made up The Martian. Like, that's crazy.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  You were like, "The mind is so powerful." I invented a press campaign for this thing.

• 1:14:28Drew Afualo?

  I should, I should write this down, so I don't forget it.

• 1:14:31Speaker 01

  And reach out to Matt Damon as soon as possible.

• 1:14:33Drew Afualo?

  I need to get someone on the phone immediately.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  It was a really confusing time because, yeah, the Matt Damon of it all, he wasn't in any of the ads for Interstellar. And The Martian came out at the same time, and he plays like opposite types of astronauts. Both astronauts just sort of built from a different cloth or cut from a different cloth. So it was very confusing, and I totally see why you went there with that.

• 1:14:53Drew Afualo?

  I was like, "I can't believe I made up The Martian," and I was just convinced. And then I was like, "I even made up the stupid title, The Martian." Like, I was telling myself that. And then my fiance goes, "Oh yeah, he's in The Martian too." And I go, I, out loud, I was like, "How did you know that?" And he goes, "Know what?" Like, he got, I scared him. And I go, "Wait, hold on." And then I took like a couple of minutes and I go, "Okay, I'm, I'm fucking stupid, sorry."

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Okay, The Martian's a real movie.

• 1:15:16Drew Afualo?

  For a second, I thought I made up The Martian. For one quick minute, I thought I created The Martian.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  I wish that, I wish that you had.

• 1:15:24Drew Afualo?

  Me too. And who's to say I couldn't?

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Female, female writer.

• 1:15:28Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:15:28Speaker 01

  That could have been huge.

• 1:15:29Drew Afualo?

  I had one of my friends on who's a creator, and she's super funny online too. And she, when she was on, she told me, I asked her like if she got hate online, and she goes, "Oh yeah, but..." She goes, "The worst hate I've ever gotten is when I said that I think if I was alive at the same time as Isaac Newton, I could have beat him to discovering gravity." And she said, "That's the most visceral hate I've ever gotten." She's like, "The amount of men that were like, 'You fucking stupid bitch, you could never.'" And she goes, "This is all about Isaac Newton, like, he's dead, it's fine."

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  It's fine, you ride for this man? Also, it's a joke.

• 1:16:03Drew Afualo?

  That's what I said. I was like, "I didn't know he had shooters like that." Isaac Newton? I don't want to talk badly on your friend, I'm just saying, if I was alive, who knows?

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  And by the way, you can't prove that I wouldn't have. So.

• 1:16:15Drew Afualo?

  That's like my favorite thing to do to men who are like that, is to say, like, "Well, I mean, who's to say?"

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  I, it's so powerful to just pose that question.

• 1:16:26Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  Who's to say? We'll never know. I, on Ride, the podcast that I host with Benny, I was saying how men don't have fashion references, and that's why all men's vintage stores are just like soldier uniforms. Like, they just sell like waffle tees, and like the cargo pants and all that stuff. It's all like, clothes people wore in World War II, that they're now selling for like $300 for a pair of pants. So I said, "Men have no fashion references." The comments I got, "What do you call Kanye West? Jacob Elordi? James Dean?" I'm like, "Do you think you dress like James Dean?"

• 1:17:00Drew Afualo?

  Oh, oh, I'm talking about most men.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:17:03Drew Afualo?

  Not you.

• 1:17:03Speaker 01

  Um, I'm talking about, yeah, sorry. No, I think we're not talking about the same thing. Yeah, I guess James Dean is a great fashion reference for you guys, and good luck with that.

• 1:17:14Drew Afualo?

  No, James Dean doesn't count, but why aren't you dressing like that?

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  Exactly. So what's stopping you from dressing like James Dean?

• 1:17:21Drew Afualo?

  Just the right moment.

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:22Drew Afualo?

  If I had enough time, if I had enough time. It's the same thing with like, the Olympics, right? Because I had Alona Mara on my podcast too, and like, she's obviously an Olympian. And the amount of men that are like, "I mean, I could've. If I want, I could've." Sure, like, sure. Time is the reason why you're not an Olympian.

• 1:17:42Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:17:43Drew Afualo?

  Right. It's because you're too busy. That's what it is.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Well, that's just what held them back. I brought, I literally brought this up today, but Noah Beck posted that he just watched Django Unchained. He was like, "I finally had three hours to watch this." The movie came out in 2012. What have you been doing for the last 10-plus years? That you, you're like, "I just finally had time to catch this flick." So time has kept Noah Beck from watching Django Unchained. I don't even know if he knew how much I'd be, I don't know him at all, by the way. I just am like, "I appreciate this as a piece of art."

• 1:18:16Drew Afualo?

  What have you been up to, King?

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  He's been busy.

• 1:18:18Drew Afualo?

  Busy.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  He's creating.

• 1:18:19Drew Afualo?

  That's okay.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:20Drew Afualo?

  That's all right. I get it. I have, that's why I think...

• 1:18:25Drew Afualo?

  I think that too, um, same thing with men who think they're funny. It's like, this isn't funny. To you. Well, I wouldn't expect an unfunny person to find me funny, but like. It's, it's okay, cause I'm not, if I was seeking counsel. I'm not asking you, that's for fucking sure.

• 1:18:39Speaker 01

  No, I'm not, you're not my audience. That's what you have to remember.

• 1:18:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  So, people saying I'm not funny, I'm like, sure, whatever, I've heard it all before. But this Australian guy commented on my, uh, a joke I posted. I'm wearing this like, v- vintage Versace dress for my special that's on YouTube. And I've, I posted a clip from it, and he goes, this is funny, but I don't know who told her that that dress looks good on her. I guess he wa- he is a divorced husband of The Real Housewives of Sydney or something. But it was just like, oh, so you're gonna actually come at me for fashion?

• 1:19:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Is that really what you wanna talk about?

• 1:19:10Speaker 01

  That's what you'd like to do right now. Um, you go to his page, it's like, um, Trump memes, and then like, porridge that he cooked.

• 1:19:16Drew Afualo?

  Nice.

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  And, and it says like, obviously, father, but you know, writer, blah blah in the bio. I'm like, go, go take care of your kids. Where are, do you know where your kids are?

• 1:19:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I think you have bigger problems, honestly. I think that too, when men call me like, fat and ugly, which is very common. I'm always like, well, I mean. Beauty's subjective, which I've said many times, um, so like, what one person finds beautiful, the next person might not, and that's okay, and, and normal. Um, but if good looks was a race, I know I have one bitch beat.

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:46Drew Afualo?

  And it's that guy.

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  It's you.

• 1:19:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're behind me for sure. The New York City Marathon, you're the last person coming in. I'm somewhere in the middle.

• 1:19:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:53Drew Afualo?

  Somewhere in the middle.

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  It's really shocking, and what people will do, even on their personal accounts, not burner accounts, not with a different profile picture. It has like, their employer, their wife is tagged in the bio, their kids are in fo- I'm like, are you not embarrassed?

• 1:20:08Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Why are you, why are you attacking a young woman online? It's just, I don't know.

• 1:20:12Drew Afualo?

  I've messaged wives before, and I've sent them what their-

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  See, you're doing your work.

• 1:20:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what my, what, what their husband has said to me. Recently, I did, actually did, really recently, I did like, a couple of weeks ago, I sent it to someone and I said. Hey, like, you don't know me and you don't follow me, but, um, this is what your husband wrote on my pictures, unsolicited and unprovoked. And I just feel like you should know what he's doing in his free time, because if my fiance was doing that, I would wanna know. And I said, do with it what you will, right?

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  What'd he say?

• 1:20:41Drew Afualo?

  I actually never get responses, but this time I did, and she said. I'm so sorry about that. Thank you so much for telling me and I just didn't respond. Cause there's really nothing more I can say after that, but like, I just think like even when I've said that before, I've had men delete it. I, I would say like, does your girlfriend know or your wife know that you do this? Or should I tell her? That's what I always comment back.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  Again, I would not want to be on the receiving end of that. From me, I, I would acqui- if, if I got a DM from you that said, hey, did you know? Dot, dot, dot. I would just throw my phone in the Hudson and jump in after it. Like, I'm done, I'm cooked. I don't want to know. I don't know and I don't want to know. I'm just gonna end it right now.

• 1:21:19Drew Afualo?

  And I've had them delete it immediately and then message me and say, why would you say that to me? Why would you do that? Like, my wife doesn't care, blah, blah. And I go, then why'd you delete your shit? Your wife doesn't care, you're just hiding it now. And it's always, it's almost like a, we don't need, okay, like, we're all having fun, let's not like-

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  But you do such great work with screenshots. I feel like you, you have receipts. You did one video, I remember, about receipts.

• 1:21:42Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:43Speaker 01

  About like, I don't know if someone commented something negative or like, they were maybe trying to hit on you or something and I don't know. There was some thing that happened where you were like, I have screenshots-

• 1:21:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  Of your behavior.

• 1:21:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  Like, the, the receipts are there. You can't run from this.

• 1:21:56Drew Afualo?

  I made a video like not too long ago, probably a few months ago, when I was still on Twitter, I'm not on Twitter anymore, but like, I saved screenshots and I used them in that video. They were two years old. I remember the day I took them. I screenshot them and I was like, just in case.

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• 1:23:17Drew Afualo?

  Jessica. And then there's a, I've talked about recently, I even did it on Kayla's podcast recently, talking about, I know, a guy who I know hates me because he's a bad person.

• 1:23:26Speaker 01

  Can you tell me after?

• 1:23:28Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I will tell you. I don't think you'll know who it is, but like, yeah. And I'll tell him, because not a lot of people know, like, who this guy is. But he hates me, and I know that. It's documented. And I saved that screenshot, too, which is funny. But he smells really bad. And like, genuinely smells very bad. Like, when I say, like, you know, when cats' asses stink, because you're like, they need to get something out of there.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:51Drew Afualo?

  Like, when they lift their tail up and you're like, oh, my god. Like, when they're on the back of the couch. That's what it smells like. It's pretty horrifying. And I told everyone, I'm like, he better never turn on me.

• 1:24:02Speaker 01

  Because you got, your ammo's loaded.

• 1:24:04Drew Afualo?

  And now that I know you stink, it's gonna be even funnier.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  Because not everyone would know that.

• 1:24:10Drew Afualo?

  Now, now I know you stink.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  How, you were in proximity to him?

• 1:24:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, many times. I've been next to him many times. It's so strange how he hates me so fucking much, and I know that. And he is with me at so many things. Like, we get invited to the same shit all the time.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  He's an influencer that smells bad?

• 1:24:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, girl. Which, good luck narrowing it down, because there's a million of them, I'm sure.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  That just means he has no real friends, to me. That's sad.

• 1:24:32Drew Afualo?

  No, for real. I thought the same thing. Like, does anyone in your life care about you? Because if I was walking around with stink lines above my head like that, I would want someone to tell me.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  I find it really odd when people our age who live in cities, metropolitan areas, smell.

• 1:24:47Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  What's going on?

• 1:24:48Drew Afualo?

  Especially men who are doing well.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Shower.

• 1:24:50Drew Afualo?

  They have a lot of money. Where's it going?

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  Not to toothpaste. That's the most shocking thing. When people, I'm like, toothbrushes cost $2. Just use one.

• 1:25:00Drew Afualo?

  Or even buy, I don't know, buy a pack of gum, something.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  If you can't brush, please, at the very least, get some gum. Yeah, I mean, I I would be curious, like, from your perspective, just getting people that are like, you know, giving you, or like, just insulting you, I mean, it just rolls off the back, like, was there a point where you decided that, like, I'm not gonna take any of this shit seriously?

• 1:25:20Drew Afualo?

  No, I I haven't taken it seriously from the day I I blew up, like, the day I I say all the time, like, the video that made me go viral was very specific red flags in men. And I had very specific red flags in men, so I I had a list behind me of, like, I did a note notes app.

• 1:25:36Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:37Drew Afualo?

  And I did, like, fifteen things on there. And it was like, if he, you know, loves Tom Brady. Not a Bucks or a Pats, just Tom Brady.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  Tom Brady.

• 1:25:47Drew Afualo?

  Um, if Wolf of Wall Street is his favorite movie of all time, like, if he thinks there's no movie that's ever been made that's better than that. Um, if he wears a backwards hat in the pool.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  You really came for them.

• 1:25:56Drew Afualo?

  You know what I mean? It's like, and so I was very specific, so that's the video that blew me up. When that happened, obviously, I had a lot of people being like, oh, my god, this is so funny. Then I had a whole bunch of men, uh, sending me a whole bunch of fucking hate, like, just saying the most awful things I've ever seen, which is, at the time, I think I was like twenty-five-ish, like, twenty-five, yeah, I wanna say. And I grew up on the internet to some extent, right? So, like, I was there with MySpace and the, when YouTube first launched, and so, like, YouTubers and all that shit. So I had never experienced any amount of hate ever, cuz I'd never done anything like that before.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:32Drew Afualo?

  But I do remember, like, seeing all of it and laughing, like, I was like, this is funny, cuz, like, they're telling me I I'm ugly, and I go and look, and I said,

• 1:26:43Drew Afualo?

  well, looks isn't something I would bring up if I were you.

• 1:26:45Speaker 01

  Well, the call is coming from inside the house.

• 1:26:47Drew Afualo?

  Well, it takes one to know one, doesn't it? A big fogo on the internet? Yeah, there's two of us here, queen. We're looking in a mirror, twin. Which is, like, so funny, so I posted videos, and I I've said before, I used to be a lot meaner, like, online, because nobody knew who I was, so I wasn't getting flagged.

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:02Drew Afualo?

  And so I was saying the meanest shit I could possibly think of to only men.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  They're so funny.

• 1:27:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and like all of those videos are gone now, like once I, once I became like someone, they took all of them down like in one. Yeah, cuz they were violating guidelines, okay, okay.

• 1:27:20Speaker 01

  But then, but those guys can make those videos and not get them taken down?

• 1:27:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you know what's crazy is I've heard before that it's not the same thing when they make awful shit about me because I'm a public person and they're not. So that's like seen as like they're allowed to do that because I'm a public person. But like me doing it about them is is fucked up and not cool.

• 1:27:39Speaker 01

  Well, they, they, I feel like they opted out of privacy when they made the video.

• 1:27:43Drew Afualo?

  Especially when their first and last names are on all of their shit like. So I, every time I'm like, when people are like, does it ever like actually, no. Because like, I'm not listening to an ugly bitch call me ugly. No, I'm not. I'm not even entertaining it. I'm not even listening. I'm so far ahead of you in the race called life that it doesn't matter to me. Yeah, no, I don't get my validation from that. Do you get a lot of hate?

• 1:28:09Speaker 01

  I, I get a lot of hate and people, people just saying I'm not funny, um, which it's like, okay, me, yeah, like you said to you. Um, that doesn't really bother me cuz like I know I'm funny and I, my audience is, I said, I say this at the beginning of my special. It's girls and gay guys and the straight men who love us. So if you don't fall into that, then I don't really care about making you laugh. In fact, I don't wanna make you laugh cuz then I'm probably doing something wrong. But it's a lot of that, just, a- a- and anything political, people will comment, obviously enraged. Anything about sex, oh, all female comedians talk about is sex.

• 1:28:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, why is that the new thing that they say as if men are not doing?

• 1:28:47Speaker 01

  It, it's just like a talking point. It's like they just parrot it back, but I think when, you know, maybe as the, as comedy has progressed, like back in the day, maybe women were pigeonholed into talking more about sex stuff to like be able to perform on the same stages as men cuz that's something men would actually laugh at. But what's tough is like, I know a joke about sex or dating will get a lot more views and shares because it's relatable. So it's like those things might not be my smartest jokes, but like they're the ones that will get the most eyes. So then you get followers off that and then you can post stuff that's more whatever, like speaking to my voice. So people don't understand that one, commenting is actually good for me cuz then it's gonna show up from our people.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Hard to plan. It's like, yeah, I'm getting more eyes on my, my profile to get more followers to then. But it's hard. It's like, it's that like self fulfilling prophecy of like, well, I have to post a sex joke because it's gonna get seen by more people, but then it might end up on the wrong side of Instagram or whatever. And you just kinda, I, I, it is white noise to me, truly.

• 1:29:47Drew Afualo?

  Same.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  I don't, I have a live audience that are telling me if I'm funny. Nothing you can type behind your little computer screen is gonna have me quaking.

• 1:29:54Drew Afualo?

  And I can confidently say it's far more nerve wracking, doing it live. Like, it's, that's, like, I can say with conviction now, because I've only done it once. And I was shaking in my fucking boots because I was so nervous, because they will tell you if they like it or not. Like, that's kinda the whole point of, they're paying you to entertain them.

• 1:30:12Speaker 01

  And a joke bombing hurts a lot more than like a negative comment.

• 1:30:15Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. A joke bombing is like, I was so, oh my gosh, I was so nervous about it. And I feel like, I feel like too, that's another reason why comedy is starting to flourish, like you were saying. It's, it, the, obviously, the marrying of social media with comedy is a lot of bad, but also good, because then you're seeing people that you would never otherwise see, like you were saying. It's a lot harder to get put in certain rooms where they are recording or they'll post clips. Whereas like, the club scene is where 90% of it's happening. So, when people are able to record and put them online, then you can see like, new forms of comedy and new comics that don't look like what we're used to seeing all the time.

• 1:30:53Speaker 01

  Like a man in pajamas.

• 1:30:55Drew Afualo?

  Talking about how much he hates his fucking wife.

• 1:30:57Speaker 01

  His bitch wife.

• 1:30:58Drew Afualo?

  His bitch wife who loves Target.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  Loves Target and, um, and, and he hates, he hates his in-laws too. And I think that's important to also touch upon. And his wife won't fuck him. So, but that's funny.

• 1:31:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he wants to fuck all the time, but she doesn't.

• 1:31:12Speaker 01

  She doesn't want to.

• 1:31:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It's very, and I've, I've even made jokes before saying, like, when I've talked about bad joke writing, and I'm like, it's just punching down, it's the lowest form of comedy. It's also the lowest hanging fruit. It's, yeah, anyone can make a racist joke, anyone can make a transphobic joke. Um, but that doesn't make it a good one. Just because it's easy to see and pluck doesn't mean it's good.

• 1:31:33Speaker 01

  No, and, and challenge yourself to like, say something different that's never been said before, hopefully. But I think the whole, like, the backlash from the Trump MSG rally, I've just been like, kicking my feet with glee. I'm like, that really fucking backfired, didn't it?

• 1:31:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:47Speaker 01

  I saw you were being funny. It's not funny.

• 1:31:49Drew Afualo?

  Again, like, it wasn't funny on top of it being racist.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  It wasn't funny 50 years ago either, by the way.

• 1:31:56Drew Afualo?

  A hundred years ago, like it's never funny, it the and I even said I'm the same thing like that you said, I don't want to make you laugh. That's how I feel too about people like that. Cause I'm like, well, clearly my, we're not aligned in any way, shape or form. I don't want you watching me and I don't want you laughing as fuck. On top of that, but I'm like, if I look around and the only people laughing are people whose whereabouts on January sixth are still in question.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:19Drew Afualo?

  I need to be checked into a hospital. Something's wrong with me.

• 1:32:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's something's gone terribly wrong.

• 1:32:24Drew Afualo?

  Something's gone terribly wrong and we need to check on it.

• 1:32:26Speaker 01

  I don't um like Dave Chappelle as a comedian anymore. And I think what he's doing to the trans community, I it just, I don't understand it. It baffles me. I'm like so vehemently against it. But when he walked away from his Comedy Central show, he did say like, I was, I was looking around the room when we were doing Chappelle's show and the wrong people were laughing.

• 1:32:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:45Speaker 01

  And I, I think he just saw that like, maybe the sketches were appealing to the wrong people and so I, I think like, it's tough. There's so many comedians that I once admired who you kind of have to just like let that go.

• 1:32:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:58Speaker 01

  But sometimes they still made good points.

• 1:33:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:00Speaker 01

  Um, you know, back in, in ancient history, not, not in present day.

• 1:33:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Which is so disappointing, but yeah, it is like you don't, I don't know. There's jokes I've told that I, I've told once and I'm like, you know what? I actually don't like, I don't like that the way that that made me feel.

• 1:33:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  And I think as like a white woman, I don't really touch on like race that much or just issues where I feel like maybe my voice is not like a valuable

• 1:33:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:21Speaker 01

  medium for the conversation.

• 1:33:23Drew Afualo?

  Well, and also I feel, like you said, it's like you need to have a very good perspective if, if you're operating from a very high place of privilege and you want to do comedy. Because there are certain lenses that you, like Chris Fleming is a perfect example of someone whose lens is so specific. I could never in my wildest dreams do I wish I could, I wish I could procure that imagery.

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  Or the the way he uses language.

• 1:33:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like I just, I watched a a clip he posted recently where he was talking about how like he does have guy friends as shocking as that may sound. And he says, but my guy friends I describe as like men that would have also been burned at the Salem witch trials.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  I was at that show.

• 1:34:02Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I was laughing my ass off. I was, and he was saying like, you know, there's like one or two men thrown in there. Yeah.

• 1:34:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:09Drew Afualo?

  He's like, those are my friends. And he said, one of them, he was saying, like, one of my friends, like, he talks too softly to his dad.

• 1:34:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:18Drew Afualo?

  I was like, I dream, I dream of a perspective like that. And it's like, it's not hurting anyone. It's so fucking funny and it's just so specific. I feel like the greatest humor is in specificity for me personally.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  Totally agree.

• 1:34:33Drew Afualo?

  Which is why when I've made jokes, making fun of dudes, and I've like told, like, I've told people, they're like, how do I come up with like mean things, like funny mean things to say to men. I'm like, well, like, starting points are like, you guys are going for the obvious kills. Like, you're saying like, I bet it's small, or I bet, you know what I mean, like, and I do obvious kills too, like you said, like, I do have low hanging fruit jokes, like heightened hairlines are easy ones. Those are slam dunks because it hurts their feelings every time. The minute, the minute it doesn't affect them, I'll retire it. Yeah, the minute it doesn't affect them, I will retire it. But I've told them, like, you gotta get way more specific. So like, when you tell them, like, not that he looks like he has a small dick, but you say something like you look like you work at the genius bar inside the Best Buy.

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:16Drew Afualo?

  That's funny. To me.

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  Hard to hear.

• 1:35:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's hard to hear. Like, I, if I say something to like someone where I'm like, you you personally look like you were like, really involved on campus.

• 1:35:30Drew Afualo?

  That's funny, meme. And it's funny because I've seen something that said that, something of that nature, and I've sent it to Caleb. And then he messaged me back and said, "Hey, block me."

• 1:35:40Speaker 01

  Block me, yeah.

• 1:35:40Drew Afualo?

  That's because I clocked him.

• 1:35:41Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:35:42Drew Afualo?

  Someone who's very involved.

• 1:35:43Speaker 01

  Some people don't want to see that in themselves. Wait, wait, I wanted to ask you this too. Sorry for running out of time.

• 1:35:49Drew Afualo?

  No, you're fine.

• 1:35:49Speaker 01

  I think I saw you one time, this was maybe like two years ago. Someone was ripping your videos word for word. Did that happen?

• 1:35:55Drew Afualo?

  No, that is true.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  So, it's really hard to be like a public creator because obviously you want to put that stuff out there, but like copying is such a real thing and it's such a real thing in stand-up.

• 1:36:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:07Speaker 01

  Especially because if you're doing it at live shows, like it's not really going to catch up with you because like the person who you're copying most likely won't see it.

• 1:36:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:14Speaker 01

  But I will say there's some people I've been getting texts about of like, "Oh, this person's doing your material," or "I heard this joke that you have been doing for years that they're doing." Like, how do you deal with that? Like, doesn't, I mean, to me, it's the most frustrating part of the job.

• 1:36:27Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  I'd get a thousand hate comments over having someone steal a joke of mine.

• 1:36:31Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:31Speaker 01

  Um, but how do you feel like about that?

• 1:36:34Drew Afualo?

  Well, when it happened, that was like, that was two years ago, that was, and it was a girl. And she, like, word for word was ripping off, like, and it's crazy because like, again, like, this is, this is a white girl. So, the way that I talk is very specific to me. When you verbatim rip off my vernacular, it sounds foreign. It sounds like you're doing a black sound almost.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  I mean, that's a whole other thing I could talk about for an hour.

• 1:37:00Drew Afualo?

  Right, which is crazy. Um, so that's how I know, like, I don't know how anyone could have possibly thought that that was actually you talking because you would never say that. You would never say that, that verbiage, right? But like, when I found it, I was pissed and I, and I was especially angry because the jokes that she was ripping off verbatim, like, she literally would just save my videos and, and copy them word for word. Including when I say things like, "But I digress," or like little isms that I have.

• 1:37:28Speaker 01

  Maybe she was confused about what lip syncing on TikTok is.

• 1:37:31Drew Afualo?

  She's just like, she should have just taken the audios at that point.

• 1:37:33Speaker 01

  She memorized the whole thing.

• 1:37:34Drew Afualo?

  Right. And so like, and it sounds so clunky coming out of her mouth because that's not how she talks or how she delivers jokes, like. And so I remember the part that made me the most upset, other than just ripping off my bit, was, um, the fact that the men that she was fucking up, because she was using them to make fun of men. We're being nice to her. Like they were literally in her comments saying like, oh, this is so funny. Yeah, you got me. Hey, tough but fair, you know, tough but fair. And then I said, that's insane. Because I said that exact same fucking thing and you bitches wanted me burned at the stake, speaking of the Salem witch trials. The, these men were all about like body shaming being bad when I fucking said it.

• 1:38:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:17Drew Afualo?

  But then when this bitch says it, all of a sudden it's like, she's just funny. What are you gonna do? She's giving me the business. You know what I mean?

• 1:38:24Speaker 01

  That would have made, I mean, I probably would have wanted to find out her address.

• 1:38:28Drew Afualo?

  It, it drove me like insane to the point where like, I, I made a video about it and I didn't even tag her because I was like, I'm not trying to dogpile her. I just need you to know I've seen it and I better not see it again.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:40Drew Afualo?

  And so then she kinda went on this whole like, that's not true. And then people, someone made a video, and actually I made one too, that prompted them to do it, which is like, you're, you're gonna double down on this isn't true. And so then I put every video of what I said and then what she said. And then what I said and then what she said. It was verbatim. Like it was creepy. It was almost like, it, and on top of the fact that she's not a minority at all, like she's not brown like me. It's like, again, the, the accent is far more jarring.

• 1:39:09Speaker 01

  It's, it's, it's not, it doesn't land, it's not good.

• 1:39:12Drew Afualo?

  Speaking of receipts, and after that happened, she said, cause she was in the military at the time.

• 1:39:16Speaker 01

  Oh, God.

• 1:39:17Drew Afualo?

  And she said, or no, she had just gotten out of the military, cause she said, well, I'm still adjusting to civilian life.

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  Oh, straight from the military to TikTok? Let's take a beat.

• 1:39:27Drew Afualo?

  What does, okay, so in civilian life, you guys go on TikTok, find people you find funny, copy everything they say and then do it, cause that's just part of it? That's part of the deprogramming you go through when you get out?

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  I don't know what they teach in military school.

• 1:39:41Drew Afualo?

  I don't know what they're learning over there.

• 1:39:42Speaker 01

  I guess they don't expel people for plagiarism at the Naval Academy or whatever. God, that, I mean, so did she, so she reached out?

• 1:39:50Drew Afualo?

  Not really, no. She was just posting on her own. She privated her account so I couldn't even see anything and blocked me and then was, I was, these were being reported to me by all of my little birds.

• 1:39:59Speaker 01

  Your eyes and ears. I mean, you have troops on the ground, and speaking of the military.

• 1:40:02Drew Afualo?

  I do. I got a lot of sleepers.

• 1:40:03Speaker 01

  You have eyes and ears.

• 1:40:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's why I always say I'm various in Game of Thrones, like the master of whispers. All my little birds are everywhere. So it will make its way across my desk eventually.

• 1:40:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:13Drew Afualo?

  That's how you whisper my name into the wind.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  You're gonna hear it?

• 1:40:15Drew Afualo?

  I'm gonna hear it eventually.

• 1:40:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I think it's great what you're doing and honestly, even just on that level, like, calling people out for stealing is tough to do. It's like, do you even want to give them the attention? Do you want to make, do you want them to know that you know? It's like, it's really hard and sometimes I'm like, I want to address it more or like leave a comment or like message the person and it's some, yeah, it's, it's one of those things. I'm a coward. You brought me here to tell me I'm a coward and I'm figuring it out for myself.

• 1:40:41Drew Afualo?

  And did your parents get that?

• 1:40:41Speaker 01

  I won't stand up to guys. I won't call out these, it's really tough, but I feel like-

• 1:40:45Drew Afualo?

  You're not a coward, you're a woman raised in this world. That's what happens. But you're, what's important is that you're acknowledging that you deserve to say something.

• 1:40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:53Drew Afualo?

  Which I'm glad, I'm, I'm hopeful that you will, because back to you being just such an unbelievable stand-up, I just think your shit is so funny. And it's so specific to you. That's why it feels like someone's wearing your clothes.

• 1:41:05Speaker 01

  That's why when people copy my jokes, I'm like, that could have only come from my brain. I'm so sorry. Like, props to you because it is a great joke and I get why you would want to rip it from me, but like, there's just no way anyone else could think of that.

• 1:41:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, there's no way.

• 1:41:19Speaker 01

  My jokes are very dark and I feel like the wording I use is very specific. I always put a lot of thought into like the word economy of it and the presentation style. Like, I'm very deadpan and, and I just think when someone tries to do that, it's so obvious.

• 1:41:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:33Speaker 01

  And I'm like, the joy of it for me of being like a creator or a stand-up or whatever it is, a writer, is like, the, the feeling I get when a joke does really well, because I know that I wrote it and now other people are laughing at it.

• 1:41:45Drew Afualo?

  Right, same.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  So to make a video or to copy a joke, it's like, you're, you're cheating. Like, how is that even, how does that feel like an accomplishment to you when like,

• 1:41:54Drew Afualo?

  For real.

• 1:41:54Speaker 01

  it's someone else's words? I don't know. I just don't- Understand that and it's the same thing I feel about comedians that don't have like a point of view. I'm like, what is that? How is that fun for you? You're not saying anything.

• 1:42:05Drew Afualo?

  That's why I said you're just Googling jokes and then you're just reading them off the paper. It's like, it's boring. That's why I said like, there's nothing fun about that. And like you said, it's a very saturated market now, so. But speaking of to kind of like wrap us a little bit, like, what would you say is your best piece of advice for female comics specifically? Or any marginalized person that wants to do comedy and maybe, like you said, you get sometimes, you get a little nervous, especially when you're coming up in the business. You don't want to speak up too much and comedy is already so difficult to navigate as a marginalized person. So what would you say is your best piece of advice for them?

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  My best piece of advice is to approach your career like a youngest child with a youngest child mindset, which is like, I deserve everything that I want. I'm gonna nag and beg and ask people for things and not feel shame about it. And I, you have to believe in the work that you're doing. So if you do that and you know you're putting out like the best quality for where you're at in your career and you keep asking for things and you really believe that you are going to speak your like dreams into existence. That's what I would say is like, I'm the youngest of six kids. I was constantly fighting for, you know, attention and I felt like, well, I want this, so I should get it. And not to say that I got everything that I wanted as a kid, but I think that mindset and also having older brothers of like, I had like a male confidence almost of like,

• 1:43:21Speaker 01

  well, I want this thing, so I'm gonna do it. So I think just like, don't be deterred by people ignoring emails. Don't be deterred from getting told no. Like, all those things will, once you start to like achieve the things that you want, you'll know, you'll have a much smaller circle of people to thank, which is fine.

• 1:43:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Oh, I have one more question for you. When it comes to crafting a joke, like, what would you say is like your best structure or like advice for people who are trying to write quality jokes?

• 1:43:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I don't, I don't really do like a scheduled time to write stuff. What I usually do is like, if a topic comes up in conversation with my gay best friends and I can make them laugh, then I'm like, that's probably a joke. So I should write that down. Um, but I think you need to have gay friends for that to work, so.

• 1:44:06Drew Afualo?

  So real.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:07Drew Afualo?

  That's how I feel about marginalized people when they, when I make them laugh, I'm like, okay, I got it.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Then you got it. You have to write it down.

• 1:44:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:13Speaker 01

  Oh, and my other thing I would say, advice, anytime you have an idea that is moderately humorous.

• 1:44:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:19Speaker 01

  Write it down.

• 1:44:20Drew Afualo?

  That's a great piece of advice.

• 1:44:21Speaker 01

  I don't care if it's two in the morning and you're falling asleep and you don't want to pull your phone out because of the light or whatever. You will want, there's a really great, um, David Lynch compilation of him saying, if you have an idea and you don't write it down, you will want to kill yourself. That is what I would echo that statement. I'm gonna amplify David Lynch in this moment and say, write it down. Just write it the fuck down. It takes two seconds.

• 1:44:43Drew Afualo?

  That's so true.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  The amount of jokes that could have been brilliant, but I never wrote them down.

• 1:44:49Drew Afualo?

  I feel that. I'll do that when I'm meeting up with my friends that I haven't seen in a minute. Like, we haven't like physically hung out. I'll write down funny shit I thought of and I was like, I have to remember to tell them about this. My sister and I do it all the time.

• 1:45:00Speaker 01

  You should be doing that.

• 1:45:01Drew Afualo?

  We're like, write that down, dude, write that down. Like, we'll write it down. We're like, we have to remember to tell so and so.

• 1:45:05Speaker 01

  You need to just have it. Yeah, it's not gonna stay in there.

• 1:45:07Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:45:07Speaker 01

  With the Mind Palace, there's too much going on in the geopolitical sphere right now.

• 1:45:10Drew Afualo?

  Exactly.

• 1:45:11Speaker 01

  We need to just, if you have a humorous thought, write it down. So, that's what I would say. And just, yeah, keep, keep going and if a straight comic says something weird to you, just write a joke about it.

• 1:45:21Drew Afualo?

  That's a good idea. Turn it lemons into lemonade.

• 1:45:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:45:24Drew Afualo?

  We love that. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I adore you.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you for all that you do. And I feel like, yeah, you make TikTok a, an app I want to open.

• 1:45:33Drew Afualo?

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:45:35Speaker 01

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:45:35Drew Afualo?

  I forgive you for being late.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  I'm really sorry.

• 1:45:39Drew Afualo?

  It's alright. Thank you so much for coming. Thank you all for tuning into this episode of the comment section and thank you to my amazing guest, Mary Beth Barone. Where can everybody find you?

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  You can find me online at Mary Beth Barone and I am currently touring a, across the country. So, depending on when this comes out, I'll be in San Francisco, Boston, DC, Philly. I'm gonna be everywhere and we're adding dates, um, into 2025. So, if you want me to come to your city, just let me know.

• 1:46:04Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, yeah. Y'all, go follow Mary Beth on literally everything. If you don't already and you have to go see her live, her standup is so good and I'm such a fan. And I can't wait to see you keep soaring. Love that.

• 1:46:14Speaker 01

  Fingers crossed.

• 1:46:15Drew Afualo?

  Love that for you. And if not, I take back everything I said.

• 1:46:18Speaker 01

  That you said. And I'll take that episode down.

• 1:46:19Drew Afualo?

  Yep.

• 1:46:20Speaker 01

  And I wouldn't blame you.

• 1:46:22Drew Afualo?

  Thank you so much for tuning into this episode. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms, or you can watch the video exclusively and for free on our favorite platforms, Spotify. Make sure y'all go follow and see Mary Beth Brown on tour. Follow her on everything, obviously, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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