POST-TOUR ZOOMIES Ft. Ravyn Lenae | Episode 144

This week, Drew sits down with the talented singer-songwriter Ravyn Lenae for an unfiltered discussion on the misconceptions terrible men hold about modern women. Ravyn opens up about her journey—balancing artistry with the demands of the music business, the road to fame and how having a strong support system is crucial for young women navigating the industry. Together, they bond over having a loyal gay fanbase, similar tour experiences, not liking to cook and so much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 1:08Drew Afualo?

  Um, he made like a bunch of transphobic comments too.

• 1:11Speaker 03

  How did that slip in?

• 1:12Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I don't know. I said, huh? Like, what the fuck? You're talking about the World Series and how did you get there?

• 1:23Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the comment section show. Sorry, me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guest today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the amazingly talented Raven LeMay.

• 1:38Drew Afualo?

  Welcome to the show, Ms. Raven.

• 1:40Speaker 03

  Thank you, love. I'm happy to be here.

• 1:41Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, I'm happy to have you. It's an honor and a privilege. How have you been? How's life?

• 1:46Speaker 03

  I'm doing good. I just got off tour, so I've been thinking about all the things I've been wanting to eat on tour and I've been eating them.

• 1:54Drew Afualo?

  Oh, nice.

• 1:54Speaker 03

  So it's been a good few days.

• 1:56Drew Afualo?

  How was tour? Your tour looked like it was, it's kind of spread out a little bit, huh?

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, so there's, we did the US dates, um, which I just ended about a week, week or so ago.

• 2:06Drew Afualo?

  Nice.

• 2:06Speaker 03

  And then I go to Europe in a few days.

• 2:09Drew Afualo?

  And are you excited for that?

• 2:10Speaker 03

  I am. I just don't want it to be too cold. That's the only thing I worry about.

• 2:15Drew Afualo?

  Like, started winter. How was tour? Do you like touring?

• 2:19Speaker 03

  That I think in a Michael Jackson meme, have you seen that?

• 2:22Drew Afualo?

  Which one?

• 2:22Speaker 03

  Where he's like, I love to tour, and he really hates.

• 2:26Drew Afualo?

  But they made him say it. You're right, you're right. Actually, I have seen that one, yes.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  But I do, I feel like one of the best parts of making music is getting to see the people who love it in real life.

• 2:38Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  And see how the lyrics stick. And always, there's real people behind streams and comments and likes, you know, who really sit with the music. So I think I'm just always so shocked whenever I see people show up.

• 2:54Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 2:54Speaker 03

  Really know the songs and are crying.

• 2:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And like so fired up to see it.

• 2:59Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 3:00Drew Afualo?

  I'm, I'm honestly, that's so tea and I'm with you because obviously I'm not an amazingly talented like singer. Or musician, which I think their touring is probably a lot harder. I just like, I'm a dickhead online, so. My, I went on a book tour this summer.

• 3:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:13Drew Afualo?

  For a month and like did twenty-two cities, US. I hate touring.

• 3:19Speaker 03

  Really? What about it?

• 3:21Drew Afualo?

  I just told everyone I felt like I was living on the run.

• 3:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:24Drew Afualo?

  Like it's just, it's a lot of me like wiping shit down and change.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  Packing up.

• 3:28Drew Afualo?

  In there long enough to shower and then leave.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 3:31Drew Afualo?

  And wiping my fingerprints off, everything. That's how I felt. I felt like Jason Bourne that entire time.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  Literally what it is.

• 3:35Drew Afualo?

  It's horrible.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  You get too good at packing up.

• 3:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Like my record time, it's like five minutes. And that's including brushing my teeth.

• 3:44Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 3:45Speaker 03

  That's not normal.

• 3:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, did you do a tour bus or did you fly?

• 3:48Speaker 03

  I did a sprinter and then I flew sometimes whenever the drives were way too long.

• 3:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 3:54Speaker 03

  But yeah, it was, it was a good one. I think this is one of my favorite ones. Mainly because the group and my friend Arema opened for me, so just having another woman on tour, I think made.

• 4:05Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 4:06Speaker 03

  A big difference for me. My family, my mom and my sister.

• 4:09Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 4:09Speaker 03

  Always tried to catch some shows, so they caught the majority of this tour.

• 4:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I get that. I totally get that. And you know what's funny is I felt the same way you did where like performing was the best part of it.

• 4:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:21Drew Afualo?

  It's everything in between, that's awful.

• 4:24Speaker 03

  I don't think people even realize or think about, you know, like something as basic as eating.

• 4:30Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:31Speaker 03

  Or getting exercise, stretching.

• 4:32Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Sleeping, like all those little things that make you a person.

• 4:38Drew Afualo?

  Like a normal.

• 4:40Drew Afualo?

  And able to function. I know, I can't even imagine doing what you do too, cause like singing for that much, like that long duration of time, the show itself, and then also multiple days in a row. I'm sure is extremely taxing. What's your kinda like vibe on tour as far as taking care of your voice and your body?

• 4:57Speaker 03

  That's something with each tour, I feel like I'm getting a better handle of, um, like with this one, I tried to make sure I ate well and not waiting to the last minute and having to sit in the Burger King drive.

• 5:11Speaker 03

  That's happened in the past, so just like being proactive about those things, making sure I'm getting the most sleep I can. Also, just for like mental health reasons, like telling my mom, like, I really would like you to be here and not being scared of that, or you know.

• 5:27Drew Afualo?

  Totally, you're so me. I did this, I brought almost my entire family on tour. I brought my fiance, I brought my mom, my dad, my sister.

• 5:34Speaker 03

  That is so sweet.

• 5:36Drew Afualo?

  Who else, yeah, like I brought my entire team, everybody. I was like, I need everyone there to like, literally, I felt like how Sally from The Nightmare Before Christmas looks. By the end of tour, stitched together.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's what it feels like.

• 5:49Drew Afualo?

  Right, held together by prayer and a whim. That's holding me together at that point. But I love that you're, you're getting more of a, like a feel for what you like. Yeah, totally. And I know you came out with an album earlier this year, sophomore album. Yes, love that. How was the reception been? How's it been? And obviously, I'm assuming the tour, the music you're touring.

• 6:09Speaker 03

  So I actually play the entire album, and this is the first album of mine where I play the entire thing.

• 6:17Speaker 03

  I feel like this music brought out a different part of me as far as, uh, what I bring on stage and the, and what I want to leave people with. So it can be something as subtle as, um, not feeling like I have to move around the stage the entire time and feeling confident in the songs and the lyrics and like being able to just hold the mic here and just stay there and sing. So those subtle things that I think people really picked up on.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  In my like development on stage, I think it's something that I wanna start to really curate and think about with with every album. So it's been good, also seeing what songs people like. It's always the ones you think like, oh, this is my favorite, but they're not gonna like this.

• 7:01Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're gonna like more of the other kinds of like singles and they're eating them all up.

• 7:04Speaker 03

  Eating like the deep, the ones that I thought were like, this is for me, like they're not gonna like this.

• 7:11Drew Afualo?

  You gotta have at least one. Girl, this one's for me, this one's just for me. And if everyone likes it, cool.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 7:17Drew Afualo?

  That's cool. I love that. And you have some crazy features on this album. What's it been like, uh, working with some of the artists you've worked with, like Childish Gambino, Steve Lacy?

• 7:25Speaker 03

  So.

• 7:25Drew Afualo?

  How's that been?

• 7:26Speaker 03

  Childish Gambino has been someone I've like always wanted to work with. So the fact that it happened so naturally and him being so interested in the story around the song he's on, um, was something really special for me. Cause I could just tell that he cares about nailing it and making sure it feels true and right for the song and for me. So working with him was a dream. I would love to keep working with him. Ty is incredible. He brought something to the song that I think it really needed. And literally, that's the verse that people scream at the shows.

• 8:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, so feeling that in person and, um, just seeing how these songs really move throughout the world and through people is everything to me. And it makes everything else around touring worth it.

• 8:16Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like, yeah, right. You're like, okay, well, this one thing, alright, I'll keep.

• 8:22Drew Afualo?

  So I'm very, I'm familiar with your lore. Um, for those that aren't though, how did you get into music? What did you like, what kinda drew you to it initially? Is this what you always wanted to do? Is it kinda something that you're like, you know what, I've found this medium, I'm gonna write it. So like, what's that journey like for you?

• 8:39Speaker 03

  I think from very early on, I knew that I wanted to be in music entertainment around it in any way I possibly could. I knew I loved watching artists perform on TV, seeing their videos. Something about it just felt.

• 8:56Drew Afualo?

  It's calling to you.

• 8:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, something about it felt like, oh, like what they're doing is living in the world in a way that like lives on beyond them. I don't know if I thought that as three year old. But something about it just felt um like I wanted to be a part of it.

• 9:13Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 9:13Speaker 03

  Um, and then being around music, growing up with my dad. Would show me different artists and play different music and just seeing how it moved him. Um, my mom, I just feel like songs and music albums live with us through like each section of our life. And I think that's so special that we can like associate different periods and different times and emotions and heartbreak and just different moments.

• 9:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, in life are like they can be earmarked by music, like certain songs or albums.

• 9:45Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 9:45Drew Afualo?

  That's very true, yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  So that's something that I I think that I wanted to be a part of.

• 9:49Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  My family recognized that in me early. So my grandmother put me in guitar lessons and piano lessons.

• 9:56Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 9:57Speaker 03

  And then um, that's when I started to sing with during piano lessons. And I was like, ooh, I like this.

• 10:04Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's cool. Okay. So they noticed your musicality. And then that's kind of how you found that you could sing too.

• 10:09Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 10:10Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I love that.

• 10:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:11Drew Afualo?

  I wish. I wish I woke up and I was like, oh, I'm an amazing singer.

• 10:15Speaker 03

  Everybody can do, just you gotta practice.

• 10:18Drew Afualo?

  I know, everybody tells me that. Every time, I have lots of friends who are singers and artists and they're like, I bet if you practice, I bet you could.

• 10:23Speaker 03

  Literally.

• 10:24Drew Afualo?

  I mean, maybe. I mean, I'm sure. I feel like the ones like you or my friends who are also famous artists too, like

• 10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:32Drew Afualo?

  God given talent.

• 10:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:33Drew Afualo?

  Like just given to you. Like you just woke up. Like, you know what I'm saying? There's like certain things I feel like you can't teach.

• 10:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:38Drew Afualo?

  Because you're just born with it, which I love and admire. And you're one of them. Must be fucking nice. Whatever. I told, that's like, I got hit with a funny stick and he said, that's good enough. Send that bitch down. Good enough. Good enough. She's gonna be funny for a living. And T, look at us, we're living in our purpose, we're walking our purpose out.

• 10:59Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so I know um, the original music that you released was was unsigned and then it was

• 11:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:03Drew Afualo?

  once you did get signed. So how did that process come about with getting signed?

• 11:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I was honestly, so I met Monty Booker in Chicago when I was around fifteen. Um, and that's when I started to make my own music. And with him, like, I kind of figured out what my style was and what I wanted to put out. Um. So we put that out on SoundCloud. I didn't think anything of it. I was just, I just wanted to put music online. But then people really started to gravitate to it towards it in Chicago. Liked it and labels were calling. Like it honestly happened really quickly. And me being fifteen at the time, I don't think I got the full scope of what all of that meant. Uh, what that type of attention meant. And how to go about it.

• 11:53Speaker 03

  So it have, it's kind of a blur, like when I look back on it. Yeah, so I signed and then I put out my moon shoes EP. And from there is when I started.

• 12:03Drew Afualo?

  It just kind of started snowballing from there. And how has that adjustment been? Like, that's one, one thing I love to ask my artist friends is like how it's been adjusting to being seen by so many people. And your art being consumed by so many people. Like, how has that adjustment been for you? And how do you feel now versus how you felt when you first started?

• 12:22Speaker 03

  I think it's a very different thing when you're releasing music at fifteen with no other opinions. You're not even thinking about making money from something like this. So then like you put on like almost like a business hat. Signed and like things become very logistical and numerical. I think with that, sometimes you can get caught up in what all those things mean and still being young. Wanting to put out things that feel good for you without the thought of, okay, wait, now I have rent, now I'm eighteen.

• 12:57Speaker 03

  I think that was the major shift for me of like this pressure of performance. And that translates also through persona. And um, online, engagement, all of that.

• 13:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's all, it all plays a role now especially. But not so much when you first.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  I don't even, like, this wasn't even that long ago. But when I dropped, I dropped it on SoundCloud. I don't even remember having like a posting schedule. Or people posting really on Instagram about music. Like it was just a completely different landscape. So things are just changing quick and we just gotta like.

• 13:34Drew Afualo?

  I know, that's true. That's actually such a good point. I feel like to be in that honestly, you sound like a true artist like it's like the whole reason is to make the art. It's not. It wasn't for anything and now it's like you have to have both.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 13:47Drew Afualo?

  Like you have to still be in that place where you can feel inspired and create your art, but also keep in the back of your mind that you know numbers. Yeah, I was gonna say, how has that been kind of blending those two or like kind of keeping a good balance? Cause obviously you wanna do well.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 14:02Drew Afualo?

  But at the same time, you don't wanna compromise the art either for the sake of doing well. So how has that been?

• 14:08Speaker 03

  I think especially with this album, I was reminded of. Like the more. The logistical part of my brain comes into play, the more I kinda get away from. Like the reason I make music in the first place and I think people can feel that. I think they can because even with. Um, putting out my song, One Wish, which is like my best performance song to date.

• 14:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  That's such a deeply personal song that I never thought would really resonate in the way it has. Um, so that to me was a reminder of like, okay, like these. Things that live in me is the reason why people come to shows and they got attached to the music in the first place. So it's okay to, you know, think as like a businesswoman or. Or think about my future, but also trying to figure out that balance of like making sure the music still feels like me. Yeah.

• 15:07Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm. And what you wanna put out, not necessarily what you know will chart, which I feel like most artists know. Like you know what will chart like immediately and then artists also know.

• 15:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:18Drew Afualo?

  What they really wanna put out and what makes them feel good. So that's why I was curious how that balance has been. I know. All my artist friends that have come on the show have talked about like. Struggling with it in the beginning and then learning how to marry the two, cause unfortunately you can't have one without the other. If you wanna make money off your art.

• 15:33Speaker 03

  Right.

• 15:33Drew Afualo?

  You have to be willing to play the game to a certain extent.

• 15:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:37Drew Afualo?

  Which is frustrating, but how has it been navigating just as a young woman? Like in the industry?

• 15:43Speaker 03

  Ew.

• 15:46Speaker 03

  Um, I think with any industry, uh, we just gotta, we gotta put in a little more work than our male counterparts. That's just what it is. We can't show up with our hair undone or our makeup off or, you know. But I also think, that's, that's a question I've been asking myself a lot. And, and what that means for me and what collaborating with women and reaching out to women, like what, what that does for us and the industry we exist in. Um, like I'm sure even with you, you know, I, I think just across all industries, that's something that I don't think is gonna change, but it's something that we just learn to cope with and figure out.

• 16:32Drew Afualo?

  And finding other women too that you admire or you can, um, kind of bounce things off of like sometimes, and obviously like again, I'm just a dickhead influencer. I've told people whenever they're like, huh, do you have any advice? If they're like new and up and coming, sometimes I tell them, I tell them like, you need to make friends. Like make friends in this industry that, that have the same job, that, that have the same kind of like goals in mind because it can be very lonely and isolating, like when you have no community in the job that you currently have. Cause obviously you have your community, hopefully from before recognition happens. But then a lot of those dynamics shift too, once you enter this world. And then it's like, you have like a whole plethora of problems that

• 17:16Drew Afualo?

  nobody can relate to, like at all. And you're like, who the fuck do I talk to about this? I don't know who to ask about this. So do you have like a good community? Did you find that to be really helpful for you?

• 17:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, I found some girlfriends that I love. But I think having those friends who are in the industry I work in is equally as important as the ones who, who aren't.

• 17:37Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly.

• 17:38Speaker 03

  Sometimes it's nice to just see friends and not talk about

• 17:42Drew Afualo?

  Work.

• 17:42Speaker 03

  Work.

• 17:42Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, that's so real, that's so true.

• 17:45Speaker 03

  When you're doing this, when you're dropping this, when you're getting, when you, it's just like, have, being able to separate it and like exist in both worlds. It's something that I, I've found a lot of value in.

• 17:55Drew Afualo?

  That's so true. I feel that too. It's like, it feels like you've, I've told them like, I've told my family, I'm like, it's like normal human time. So like getting to do normal human things with normal human people is important. Because doing this like you, you like genuinely, once I started doing this, I was like, I get why people go insane. I totally get it. It makes a lot of sense.

• 18:19Drew Afualo?

  I own devices with no support system. Uh, who knows what I'd be doing. I'd be crawling up the walls and shit. I'd be going nuts. I'd be walking on all fours with my head turning all the way around. Like, I would be so bad for me. I would be going nuts, like I really would. Without like a strong support system, like of people who knew you before.

• 18:40Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 18:41Drew Afualo?

  I love that you have that too. And I love that you keep your family so close to you too, like. I'm always like plus four.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  I love that. So when I saw your family come in, I was like, oh, she's me.

• 18:55Drew Afualo?

  I know, I take that. I, I even like, I'll take my sister on, cause I travel, you like you, I'm sure you travel all the fucking time, so do I. Um, and so sometimes I'll, my sister will be like, I don't have to go. And I'm like, yeah. Just to come and hang out with me. I just need you to be there so I can, when I feel like I'm going cracky, I could just look at you. And then I'll feel better.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  It's good you can articulate that. Cause I think when I was like, when I was a teenager touring and I felt those isolating moments, I think. I felt bad about needing help and or just asking for people to be there.

• 19:27Drew Afualo?

  And like for no real reason, other than just like grounding. It's like keeping someone there that can. Yeah, and gets you and reminds you of who you really are. Cause I feel like, even when you add in now, like the added layers of like social media. And like, um, obviously entertainment, news, whatever, when you mix all of that shit together, it, sometimes it can get really hard to like. See yourself for who you really are. Cause you're looking at yourself through other people's lenses all the time.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  And how to talk about you.

• 19:57Drew Afualo?

  How has that been for you as far as like being perceived on a very large scale?

• 20:01Speaker 03

  I think I'm doing much better with it than I like was when I came out. I used to read every comment and take everyone personally. I think you have to have like more of a callous attitude. Also understand that people are coming from a whole different perspective in life than you are. So sometimes whatever they're thinking about you or whatever, they think about the work you put out, it's coming from a place that you might not even understand. And that's sometimes I just have to literally put that lens on and be like, it's cool. It's not for everybody. Maybe it's not for you right now. Maybe I'm not for you, you know?

• 20:39Drew Afualo?

  And that's like, again, a very subjective opinion. Like art is very subjective. So like it's it's to say one is good and one is bad is just like not fair. And it's not said in good faith because art is art regardless. Whether it's well received by a lot of people, by a small part of people, by a medium sized amount of people, it's still art regardless. But I get that too. I feel like especially someone like an artist like yourself is like you're putting out something very vulnerable. And so to hear people say rude or callous things is like, of course it's gonna rub you the wrong way because it's like this is coming from a very truthful place. And it wasn't meant to like be perceived. It wasn't, it was like, almost like someone reading your diary. Right when they listen to your songs, it's essentially what they're doing.

• 21:23Drew Afualo?

  And to hear someone be like, mm, I don't like it. For no real reason.

• 21:29Speaker 03

  What annoys me sometimes is when people tweet like, um, I've been seeing a lot of this album. Should I listen to it? And it's like.

• 21:38Drew Afualo?

  You have to be told to listen to it?

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Like that drives me crazy.

• 21:41Drew Afualo?

  You know what? That's actually so true. You know, I'm really glad you brought that up because sometimes like I I came out with a book this year. That's what I toured and like, um, it's overwhelmingly did well, thank God.

• 21:55Drew Afualo?

  Thank you very much and congrats on your album, by the way. Um, your second album too. But I I feel like when I recently I had like a couple, someone like took an audio from my audio book and like clipped it and then it started doing well. Months after it came out. And then I started seeing people. Use it and then say, hmm, should I get the book now? This is kinda convincing me. You know what? Don't. That's what I wanna say, but even though I don't.

• 22:20Speaker 03

  But it's like, if you can't, like, I need people to think for themselves.

• 22:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, no, exactly. I'm like, I know, like, if I wanna listen to something, I go and I listen to it. Yeah, like taking.

• 22:30Speaker 03

  People to like it. It's kinda scary.

• 22:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and like watching other people talk about it, they're like, you, you know what? You've actually convinced me. I think I'm gonna try it.

• 22:38Speaker 03

  It's like, and now I know I like it because you told me to like it. It's just like, or no, I know I hate it because you tweeted that you hate it.

• 22:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's, it goes both ways.

• 22:47Speaker 03

  I always know people are coming from different places, so I don't take it personally.

• 22:52Drew Afualo?

  Sending love and light.

• 22:55Drew Afualo?

  So, speaking of social media, how's it been for you? Do you deal with hate online? Do you get hate?

• 23:01Speaker 03

  I get, I get, I wouldn't say hate, but I mean, people's opinions.

• 23:04Drew Afualo?

  It's like trolls.

• 23:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, trolls.

• 23:05Drew Afualo?

  Trolls, yeah, I feel that.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  I think I just try to ignore it in this thing for a second, and then I see a good comment, and then I'm like, okay.

• 23:11Drew Afualo?

  There you go, yeah. That's, I tell people, yeah, I'm like, I always ask, I always ask my guests that because it's a varying degree of answers. Like, sometimes people are like, oh, yeah, all the time. Some people are like, not really, like, it's kinda just like what you just said. It's very varying. Mine is always and constantly, but that's my choice. That's the choice I made when I decided to antagonize men for a living.

• 23:33Speaker 03

  They be deep too. They come in deep.

• 23:36Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, girl. They, they, they've had my face on wanted posters all over Reddit forever. You know what I mean? They hate me on that app. Ooh. They hate me over there. Someone once asked me, they asked me, do you, have you ever read your snark Reddit page? And I go, no.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't.

• 23:51Drew Afualo?

  And I go, I, I had one of those before snarks became a thing. Like, like, it's just a bunch of pages of men who fucking hate me, like. Yeah, no, I know they don't like me over there. I don't need to go check. Yeah, no, like, I get it. Like, trust me, I get it. Well, that's good. I'm glad to hear that you don't get a lot of hate and just, it's more so just random trolls.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Like random stuff.

• 24:09Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 24:09Speaker 03

  My fans are so. Thoughtful and nice, even if they don't like something, they're gonna say it in the most respectful way, like.

• 24:19Drew Afualo?

  I know, sometimes they're a little too real, I'm like, okay.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  Oh wait.

• 24:21Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well, relax. I was like, you're a fan, I can't tell.

• 24:27Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well, are you on TikTok a lot?

• 24:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:30Drew Afualo?

  No, not really? I'm looking at you through a window.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  But I feel like I get the good ones to my sister. Like, I know if I get them, the neat, like, these are the ones.

• 24:38Drew Afualo?

  That's good, that's good. No, I'm happy that you're not on there, trust me, stay away, Raven.

• 24:44Drew Afualo?

  It is very fun, but it is a vortex, you know, whether it's for good, for better or worse, honestly. But there is a new kind of trend going on, on TikTok, so I'm, I'm, that's gonna bring us to our topic. We're just gonna key about it, but we're talking about breaking the mold of traditional gender norms. Unpacking a current trend of men on the internet complaining that modern women are, quote, entitled and ungrateful. Which, like, I mean, par for the course, they say that all the time. And I, sometimes when people ask me, like, oh, have you seen this, like, and if it has to do with an awful man, I promise I've seen it. No matter on the deepest, darkest corners of the internet, I've seen it, I trust me, I've seen it. Sometimes I see it far before other people see it. Oh my god, queen, have you seen this guy?

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:29Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I saw him in twenty twenty two, yeah, unfortunately for me. So, this first clip is from a podcast episode called, Why Your Man Should Have a Say in What You Wear. That's a really long title. I'm like, first note, first note, out the gate, simplify, right? Abbreviations. Okay, two men are interviewing two women about an incident that happened to one of the women late at night. The man says, aren't you so grateful your man was there to protect you? And the woman responds, well, no, I'm capable of protecting myself. The men get offended and post this clip with the caption, modern women are ungrateful for the protection of men. Which, believe it or not, Raven, that is not the first time I've ever seen a man say something like that. That's probably the hundred thousand.

• 26:14Drew Afualo?

  But I've seen this exact.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  That is actually.

• 26:15Drew Afualo?

  Do you ever get any misogynistic comments? Or anything that could be perceived as misogyny?

• 26:21Speaker 03

  Not really. My fanbase is pretty gay, honestly. I'm like, thank God.

• 26:30Drew Afualo?

  One thing about me, the gays got me.

• 26:35Drew Afualo?

  I love that for you.

• 26:37Speaker 03

  I don't really get those type of comments.

• 26:40Drew Afualo?

  And is your, uh, fanbase like real protective?

• 26:43Speaker 03

  Very protective.

• 26:44Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 26:45Speaker 03

  Very protective. Whenever there could be an issue, they clear it up.

• 26:49Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 26:49Speaker 03

  They're like, nah, actually.

• 26:53Drew Afualo?

  I love them.

• 26:55Speaker 03

  They ride. I'm like, oh, I didn't even have to tweet.

• 26:58Drew Afualo?

  I know, I love when they're like, it's a real self-correcting ecosystem.

• 27:02Speaker 03

  I love it.

• 27:02Drew Afualo?

  Like they're like, uh, one of my girls is gonna get you.

• 27:05Speaker 03

  They gonna get you.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  I'll be back later to check.

• 27:09Drew Afualo?

  I love that. And it feels good, I'm sure.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  It does feel, it feels good because I feel like, like they know my intentions with things. And that feels good. So I'm like, okay, we've built a rapport already, Shetland, in a way where they like, they know where I'm coming from with something.

• 27:24Drew Afualo?

  And also, I feel like too, it's like, critical thinking is, is very void in a lot of online conversations. Like, there is no critical thinking whatsoever. No, never. It's never present. And it's always like, I just woke up today and I don't know the context or nuance of anything. And it's frustrating because it's like, whenever, like, people start saying shit or talking shit, like trolls, whatever, trying to kick things up about you that are not true, saying they're not true, they'll be like,

• 27:49Speaker 03

  Well, of course you're gonna say that. Of course.

• 27:51Drew Afualo?

  There's just no winning either way. So it helps and it feels very validating when you have fans who love you and know you and have followed you forever.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 27:58Drew Afualo?

  And like followed your career for a long time, for them to be like, that's not true because of this, this and that. Like to see them kind of like, listing all the things that you would say if you defended yourself. Right. It's moved me to tears sometimes when I see that shit. I'm like, thank God, one of you's listening, thank God, one of you's listening.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Somebody has a brain.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  Somebody.

• 28:18Drew Afualo?

  It can really make you feel insane. I love, like, it's like, I even said on the last episode, like, that just came out with Ravyn. I had just had Ravyn on, love her. My friend Tiffy's described it as like, sitting in front of a one-way mirror. So it's like, you're like in an interrogation room and you can hear everything people are saying, but you can't see them. And they can't hear you. Like, no matter what you say, they're not listening. And it feels so suffocating at times. So I, I totally get that. Having fans that are writers. One thing about her, she's gonna, she's got me. You know what I mean? She gets me. Thank God. Oh my God, y'all. Thank God one of you's listening to me. Okay, so, we have these men saying, women are ungrateful for the protection of men. Are you ungrateful for the protection of men?

• 29:01Speaker 03

  I don't know what that means.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  What does that mean?

• 29:06Drew Afualo?

  I've talked about this before, in the same lens of men being like, oh, what do you, like, you want, you hate all men, what happens when? Yeah, when someone breaks into the house, or whatever.

• 29:19Drew Afualo?

  I always think like, the same thing that would happen if I was alone. Like, that's probably what's gonna happen. Like, what do you, what are you fucking talking about? Like, there's just two of us now. Like, what do you mean? Yeah, it's always like, and what if? What if I killed you? Like, that, we could go down that route too. Like, this is just such a pointless conversation to have. But I always think, um, you know, on a more, like, somewhat serious note, like, the few times I have seen women get harassed in public. Or like, whether it's like sexually harassed, or just in general.

• 29:51Drew Afualo?

  Do you know how many men are around, and not doing anything?

• 29:55Speaker 03

  It's true.

• 29:56Drew Afualo?

  So, yeah. Um, no, I'm not leaning on y'all. That's for fucking sure. Like, you guys don't do that shit normally. In their head, cosplaying as like, don't talk to her that way.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  And I also, I also feel like, like, certain things or certain situations don't have to turn into, like, this match on the men's side of, of, what if, but what if, but what if? I think two things can be very true, at least about me. I can love the men in my life, and respect them, and know that they'll show up for me, but I can also acknowledge that. A lot of violence towards women is inflicted by men. Right. You know, and that we aren't protected in a lot of spaces. Yeah. You know, so I think the instinct for a lot of men to get defensive and get up in arms about some of the things we say. Totally.

• 30:50Speaker 03

  And some of the things we are sad about regarding men.

• 30:57Speaker 04

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• 32:29Speaker 03

  It's just, I don't, I don't keep men like that in my life.

• 32:32Drew Afualo?

  Amen. That's what I say. I say the same shit too. I said this when people have told me like, are you just like this all the time?

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:37Drew Afualo?

  I'm always like, well, no, because I don't hang out with men I fucking hate.

• 32:39Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 32:40Drew Afualo?

  I don't surround myself with them like that. I don't, I don't see them on the regular. I don't see them constantly. I'm just, I'm, I do it online because I come across it and then I make fun of them and then I move on.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  And then you move on.

• 32:50Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I know. And that's, I think that's the greatest irony is that, like I said, context and nuance.

• 32:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:55Drew Afualo?

  Missing always.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:56Drew Afualo?

  Because I've said on this show, exactly, I've said, when women tell me, if women tell me I hate all men, I don't ever correct her.

• 33:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:04Drew Afualo?

  Because clearly she has a reason for feeling that way. And who am I to tell you, you're not allowed to? I'm not. That's not my lived experience. So.

• 33:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 33:10Drew Afualo?

  I am not in a position to tell you how you can and can't feel. And that's essentially the, the genesis of my intersectional feminism.

• 33:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:17Drew Afualo?

  Is driven by autonomy. So it's like women's right to choose.

• 33:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:20Drew Afualo?

  How they act, how they move, how they feel about things, right? So I said that and then all of a sudden someone clipped that shit, put it on TikTok and said, well, clearly she said she hates all men.

• 33:30Speaker 03

  Stop it.

• 33:31Drew Afualo?

  That's, I actually didn't say that, not even a little bit, but it's not shocking to me that men don't listen. So. It's crazy how you just like.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  The jokes write themselves.

• 33:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It's crazy how you just like, don't listen. But it's crazy how that works. Like, and I've had so many men like try to take a very logical approach to like, well, the way she chooses to be mean to men is like, what about men who are not bad? Men who are not genuinely not bad and don't, and know they aren't.

• 33:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:56Drew Afualo?

  Don't care about me. Like they, I don't bother them, not even a little bit.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  It's y'all that's committing full Twitter pages to trolling and, and sliding and undermining.

• 34:06Drew Afualo?

  Right. All women. Any and all, like every single woman actually, like to exist ever.

• 34:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:12Drew Afualo?

  Especially famous women. That's why I was like, when, when you have women who are singers and artists or models or whatever, express any sort of opinion. Boundary.

• 34:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:21Drew Afualo?

  Anything like that, jump down their fucking throat, attack them immediately. And when men do it, they're like, well.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 34:28Drew Afualo?

  He's got a good point. He has boundaries. I love that for him. It's just, it feels so elementary, I feel like, to explain it. So sometimes I'm, I'm like, I, they're like, why don't you educate them? I'm like, well, they didn't come out of my cooter, so that's why. Um, that's, he's not my responsibility, that's why.

• 34:45Speaker 03

  And those personalities, I feel typically don't wanna be educated. I just think it's, it's all the debate and just.

• 34:53Drew Afualo?

  That's why sometimes when they're like, well, debate me. And why would I do that? So my scalp can be even drier? I don't wanna do that. Waste my fucking time? I don't wanna do that.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  They don't stress you out?

• 35:03Drew Afualo?

  Girl, no. I feel like they don't stress me out. Well, I, you know, you know who stresses me out? Honestly, you know who stresses me out more is, is when women are like, well, what about like if women don't like me? Because they. Yeah, sometimes. Not a lot, but I would say more than you would think. Like, I would say if we're looking at a percentage, it's like a hundred. It's probably eighty percent men, it got like twenty women.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  Twenty's a lot.

• 35:27Drew Afualo?

  I know, shockingly. And I'm like, I'm fighting for you, girl. And honestly, if they're white women, I'm like, and you're ahead of me in line. What the fuck? Like, I'm fighting for your equality, bitch. And you're cutting me. You're in front of me in the line and I'm fucking fighting for you. It's crazy. Um, but I know that's internalized misogyny. So like, I have a lot more empathy for them. I have a lot, I have a lot of empathy for them, but at the same time, my empathy can only extend so far. Before it's like, okay, you're sinking your own ship and I gotta keep it moving.

• 35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:56Drew Afualo?

  And help everybody else who's not stuck in this wheel of like, oh, I need men to like me, I need men to like me.

• 36:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:02Drew Afualo?

  I feel like de-centering men's validation has freed me. I was like, I'm free.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  That's a big task.

• 36:07Drew Afualo?

  It is, it is. It can be very.

• 36:09Speaker 03

  That's a big task.

• 36:10Drew Afualo?

  I can be very taxing.

• 36:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:12Drew Afualo?

  And I feel like, especially in the industry you're in too, like, I feel like that's why a lot of women band together a lot of times. Because it's like, it can, like we talked about earlier, it can be very isolating, but also like, sometimes misogyny is very subtle. And it's very like minor and it's very, that's like the most sinister form of it to me. Because there are, I think, more men like that than there are men who are like.

• 36:37Drew Afualo?

  You know what I'm saying, like? Those men you could spot from a mile away, but there are other men who are a lot more subtle with their misogyny. And those are the men who don't like me because it flares something a little bit, you know what I mean, so? Well, I'm like par for the course, they hate me, we all know that. Okay, so I'll read some of the comments on this, this says, she can defend herself lol, I'm starting to think these women have been overprotected and pampered. They are clueless. I find it very strange when you, when like women are talking to a very outright misogynist and you're like, I just don't want you to be mean to me. Like if that's cool. And then men go, well then I should be able to punch you in the fucking face. You're a psycho, like, hey buddy, see a doctor, like you need help.

• 37:20Drew Afualo?

  Like their first instinct is to be like, and what if I tried to kill you?

• 37:23Speaker 03

  Then what?

• 37:25Drew Afualo?

  I was, I was talking about like, I was talking about being nice, but you're talking about murder?

• 37:30Speaker 03

  That's what I'm like, some, a lot of these interactions just show more about like the other person. Like, that's what I take away from it, it's like, okay, you got a lot going on. Yeah, I'm actually scared.

• 37:45Drew Afualo?

  You're weird and I don't like it, it's giving me bad weird. Okay, this next one says, I can protect myself, like they're mocking her. The independent women are too independent, y'all keep this up and y'all are gonna be marrying a cat and drinking Henny to sleep, huh?

• 38:02Drew Afualo?

  Drinking Henny, Hennessy specifically, why?

• 38:08Drew Afualo?

  Like, uh, every single bitch drinks Hennessy.

• 38:13Drew Afualo?

  Do you like Hennessy?

• 38:16Drew Afualo?

  It hurts my stomach. I feel like, well, I just think pooping my pants is not really my vibe, that's why I don't like any kind of whiskey or anything like that.

• 38:22Speaker 03

  Anything dark like turns my stomach.

• 38:27Drew Afualo?

  I don't even really like drinking that much anymore, I feel like, well, I'm, just feel so old, like mentally, but I feel like I drank too much in college and that's why I was like.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  You just got turned off.

• 38:39Speaker 03

  Maybe it's just a season.

• 38:40Drew Afualo?

  Alright, and now I have like a few fun, a fun drink.

• 38:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, drunk off two glasses of champagne.

• 38:49Speaker 03

  That's me.

• 38:50Drew Afualo?

  That's my kind of vibe too.

• 38:53Drew Afualo?

  My drink of choice is always like champagne, cause it doesn't hurt me. What about yours?

• 38:57Speaker 03

  It just feels fun.

• 39:00Speaker 03

  Like little, little stuff, little cute stuff.

• 39:01Drew Afualo?

  Well, I love wine. Do you like a white or a red? Really? I like more of a white, but I think it's cause I'm, I'm a baby when it comes to the taste. Red wine's intense. I haven't drank it in a while though, so maybe I need to re-up.

• 39:14Speaker 03

  I can see, cause you like champagne, so it's like a softer, sweeter.

• 39:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, lighter. I like a, like a riesling or a pinot.

• 39:21Speaker 03

  Red just feel grown.

• 39:22Drew Afualo?

  That does feel really grown, huh? Damn, you're inspiring me, now I kinda wanna try. Like a red wine in a bath?

• 39:29Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 39:30Drew Afualo?

  Grown, grown, grown, grown. Hair up in a clip.

• 39:35Drew Afualo?

  He doesn't get it. He doesn't know. This last one says, this is why no one wants to get married anymore.

• 39:42Speaker 03

  Oh god.

• 39:42Drew Afualo?

  These women think they're men. The United States has made y'all delusional. The United States?

• 39:47Speaker 03

  What it gotta do with the United States?

• 39:50Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 39:52Drew Afualo?

  I'm assuming because the United States is, and this is not saying much, um, far more liberal for women. And that's not saying much, is it? Considering we're still fighting for our bodily autonomy. So, clearly that's not doing much. This is why no one wants to get married anymore. These women think they're men. I don't really, I feel like the idea of a gender role is exhausting to me. I'm more of a capability kinda person, so I'm like, I just think like whoever's best should do it.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  Are these people like in real relationships?

• 40:22Drew Afualo?

  Oh, I think that all the time.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  How real relationships work. Like, there's usually some tug and pull. And you do this because you're better at this. I do this cause I'm better at this. Kinda even each other out.

• 40:34Drew Afualo?

  It's really that simple, isn't it?

• 40:35Speaker 03

  People like in a room with a TV with a mattress on the floor, like that type of, that's what I think.

• 40:42Drew Afualo?

  Right, I'm like, I don't think you've ever spoken to a human woman ever. Considering, that's why I've I've said before, like my my fiance like, he loves to cook, I don't.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:51Drew Afualo?

  So he cooks.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:53Drew Afualo?

  And he prefers to, and that's okay, cuz cooking is not a gendered thing, believe it or not, we can all learn how to boil an egg.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  Way, I'm like, I'm not about to torment us. Torture us with my cooking.

• 41:02Drew Afualo?

  Honestly, I just like, I get bored.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:05Drew Afualo?

  Standing there cooking, I'm like.

• 41:06Speaker 03

  Just standing there.

• 41:07Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like standing, I feel like I'm shackled to the fucking oven, I'm like, oh, I'm stuck here and I wanna talk.

• 41:11Speaker 03

  Not a cook, I'm not a cook.

• 41:13Drew Afualo?

  No, I'm a yapper.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 41:14Drew Afualo?

  I love to yap.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  You keep him company while he's doing it.

• 41:16Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, I'll I'll entertain, I'll sit and tell a story, I'll sit and tell a long winded story. Yeah, that's, you don't like to cook either?

• 41:27Speaker 03

  Not yet.

• 41:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Not yet, maybe in the future, maybe in a different part of my life, but right now, I just can't focus on it. And then I'm like, usually, when I think about cooking, I'm already hungry.

• 41:38Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  So like cooking and then like, I notice not about to be as good as the place next door that I can order from.

• 41:43Drew Afualo?

  Carol, what am I doing all this for? Every time I have dishes, I'm like, see, this is, see what happens when we eat at home.

• 41:48Speaker 03

  We gotta clean.

• 41:49Drew Afualo?

  Do you see what happens?

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:50Drew Afualo?

  Clean, we have to wash dishes.

• 41:52Speaker 03

  Here, I don't gotta wash dishes. I can walk, so I'm kinda saving the earth a little bit, I get dishes.

• 41:57Drew Afualo?

  You're so me, I'll tell myself every excuse in the book. I'm like, if you think about it, I'm actually saving money, if you really think about it, if you really think about it, I'm actually saving money. And the earth, and and so many other things, and also, I'm I'm putting, I'm putting money in the hands of people who need it. Yeah, see, I'm tipping well.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  See?

• 42:13Drew Afualo?

  If anything.

• 42:13Speaker 03

  You gotta think about all of that.

• 42:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 42:18Drew Afualo?

  I'll tell myself every excuse in the book, I'm like.

• 42:21Speaker 03

  This is right.

• 42:21Drew Afualo?

  And especially too, with traveling all the time, it's like, it's fucking hard to have food at home. When I first started doing this and leaving all the time, I felt like every time I came home, the first thing I had to do was empty my fridge, cuz all my shit went wrong.

• 42:32Speaker 03

  You don't wanna grocery shop, cuz you got to leave again.

• 42:34Drew Afualo?

  No, for real.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  It's like impossible.

• 42:36Drew Afualo?

  Right, literally, that's what you said, eating on the road, I felt like was a task in and of itself too, cuz I was so tired.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:42Drew Afualo?

  And do you glam before shows and stuff?

• 42:44Speaker 03

  I glam before shows, it's a lot of work.

• 42:45Drew Afualo?

  It is, you know what's funny is halfway through our tour, cuz I toured with my sister, cuz we have our own podcast too, and so, like, the two of us were doing it together, performing every night together. And so like, we had to take turns getting glammed. And I'm like halfway through, I was like, I feel like every time I've watched a documentary movie. About going on tour, there was a lot of jack around time. They're riding scooters and they're like playing soccer and they're like. No, and I go, and then I realized they don't have to sit and fucking glam for two hours. So I have no jack around time. As soon as I get to the venue, I have to get in that fucking chair and start getting ready immediately.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Sound check, test the sound, come back.

• 43:25Drew Afualo?

  I had to do a sound check too, which is so silly because all I'm doing is sitting up there telling people to suck my wiener. I shouldn't have to do a sound check for that. I don't have an in ear for that.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  How long were your sound checks?

• 43:35Drew Afualo?

  They were probably like, I'm complaining, but they were probably like ten minutes.

• 43:41Drew Afualo?

  How long are yours?

• 43:42Speaker 03

  Forty-five, it depends, like forty-five.

• 43:45Drew Afualo?

  What do you typically do for a sound check? Do you just go, do you go over every song or do you kind of just test levels?

• 43:52Speaker 03

  I test some that like, I, I, it's kind of a vocal warm up for me too. So I like to do like some of the harder songs. But it's just a good moment to like get a feel for the venue, like the sound people, get it dialed in.

• 44:09Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, oh, I have to stand up here and be like testing, testing, one, two, three. And then they go, okay, you're good.

• 44:14Speaker 03

  Well, you're right. It's like, it's no downtime really.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  I know, I did it. I really didn't.

• 44:22Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, I didn't see shit. I haven't seen, I opened my eyes, I came, I went to, I saw the inside of a hotel room. I saw the inside of the screen room. And I'm gonna see the inside of my eyelids, because when I leave here, I'm gonna wake up in Nashville. When I leave here, I'm waking up in a different city. It's exhausting. It is. It's like, that, I think that was like when I got home from tour. The first night in my own bed. Oh, girl, I felt like I was, I felt like, uh, what I believe dogs feel when they have the zoomies.

• 44:53Drew Afualo?

  That's why I felt like I was going insane again in my own bed, but I was just like, had tears in my eyes, because I was just so grateful. To be home. Oh, my gosh, I know.

• 45:02Speaker 03

  My smells. My clothes.

• 45:06Drew Afualo?

  The smell thing is so real. I felt so key, I felt so akin to smell on tour. Which like in every.

• 45:13Speaker 03

  Every venue got its own thing going on.

• 45:15Drew Afualo?

  My gosh, it has its own smell.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  Put a candle on your rider, put candles on your rider.

• 45:20Drew Afualo?

  That's such a good idea.

• 45:21Speaker 03

  This is my first tour doing that and I was like, this saved my life.

• 45:23Drew Afualo?

  That's such a good idea. Oh my god, I'm for sure gonna keep it on that. I'm like Carrie, cause Carrie's my assistant. Carrie, keep note of that. That's such a good idea. What is on your rider? What do you like having on your rider?

• 45:35Speaker 03

  This, I did like a really, this is my best rider.

• 45:37Drew Afualo?

  OT, okay.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  Space heater, you got that. Fan, uh, makeup remover with the cotton pads. You need both, cause you will run out.

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• 47:01Speaker 03

  Oatmeal, that saved my life this entire tour because we're leaving so early. And most hotels have just like the hot milk or hot water.

• 47:08Drew Afualo?

  That's true.

• 47:09Speaker 03

  Just throw it in there real quick, get on the bus.

• 47:10Drew Afualo?

  Ooh.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  So you don't even gotta think about it or stop.

• 47:13Drew Afualo?

  I love oatmeal. I love a quick oatmeal. Mm-hmm. I love a cafeteria oatmeal.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 47:18Drew Afualo?

  Like the little big ladle. I love those. Okay, so you have oatmeal?

• 47:22Speaker 03

  Just really think about the stuff you really need when you go on tour. I like the little stuff, you know?

• 47:26Drew Afualo?

  Right, like halfway, I feel like, did you change your rider at all? Like how? If you got too many of one thing.

• 47:31Speaker 03

  I was gonna ten bananas in every city.

• 47:35Speaker 03

  I cannot get any more bananas.

• 47:37Drew Afualo?

  We kept changing ours ours too, because we're like, okay, we have two thousand ramens. Let's go ahead and change that one. We're like, what else do we need? What else do we need? Yeah, we were thinking, we thought about that all the time too. Cause I had so many people on the on the tour with us too, like.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  So you're thinking about everybody's needs.

• 47:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what everybody likes and like what people don't like.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  I was like, we can't even hold any more bananas.

• 48:01Drew Afualo?

  Get rid of them. I know we had a veggie tray, I think, the first week. Then we had seven of them and we were like, hey, these are disgusting. Throw these out. Don't ask for those.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  Cause then you feel bad leaving stuff.

• 48:11Drew Afualo?

  I know, you take everything with you.

• 48:15Speaker 03

  I'm really not. Just take it off. Just take it off.

• 48:19Drew Afualo?

  Ooh, that's so real. I know we, one of our main ones, because we were touring in the summer and I'm a big sweaty girl. Uh, most of my family is, we're all sweaty girls. We would have them turn the air down to like as low as it can go. But I think it's because we were touring such old and small venues, like it just takes a million years for it to turn on. And we did one show in Chicago. The green room was above the venue and it was like an apartment. And it was a little scary because it was giving brothel, which is a little scary. I know. And then, and then when we went downstairs, no air, not, not. They had those big Home Depot fans and that's it. But then they had to turn those off once we started performing because it'll blow the mics and you can't hear us. And they're too loud.

• 49:02Drew Afualo?

  I remember like when I went on stage, it felt like the Everglades in that bitch. I was like, it is a swampy in here. And I was literally telling them like, if I was a patron, I wouldn't sit through that.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  It was that bad.

• 49:15Drew Afualo?

  It was that humid and hot.

• 49:17Speaker 03

  Chicago.

• 49:21Drew Afualo?

  And they honestly, they didn't take their cut or anything because they felt so bad.

• 49:24Speaker 03

  It was bad.

• 49:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they were like, it was so bad. We're so sorry about that. Like it had just, but then I saw people saying that went to that show. They've been in that venue. Yeah, they said, it's always hot. The air is never on. I was like, oh, they lied to us. But I was like, I'm such a sweaty girl that I was like, this is miserable. I cannot. Every person stayed the entire show.

• 49:48Drew Afualo?

  Right. And I'm not like you, like singing and entertaining, really. I'm just like sitting and making fun of them and they sat through the entire thing, which I'm grateful for.

• 49:55Speaker 03

  Still add lights, add like everything.

• 49:57Drew Afualo?

  Right. Did you ever have a performance where you were like, oh my god, everything's going wrong. I hate this.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Oh, going wrong?

• 50:02Drew Afualo?

  Or just like stressful for whatever reason.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  Funny enough, Chicago was my sweatiest show. This tour. But I wore the wrong thing too. I wore like this thin, um.

• 50:12Drew Afualo?

  Did you wear like a long sleeve?

• 50:13Speaker 03

  It's a long sleeve, but it was the type of material that like clings.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  And showed every sweat spot. Everything, everything. Here, here, everywhere. Just push through. I come off stage. There's this song, I come off stage and like kind of pat down like every. And um, my tour manager was like, um, don't put your arms up anymore.

• 50:43Drew Afualo?

  They're like, arms, arms locked, arms locked at the sides from now on. We're swaying and arms are down.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  I was like, oh, it must be bad. Don't put your arms up anymore. I'm like, we've reached, we've reached.

• 50:58Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy. Oh my gosh, that's happened to me too. I'm the sweatiest girl alive, so. And it feels like, it honest, also feels like it's never, and no one ever sweats. And I, when I, I remember recently I did like an interview thing, but it was in studio. And so I was like talking to one other person on camera. And you could see my full body. I'm like sitting on a stool and I had this like, it's like a two piece, like it looked like a dress, but it's like a two piece thing. And it's really tight, like and it's like that silk. Right. And I had hair down and it was like a turtleneck, so it's like gripping my neck too. And they, they're like, oh, turn the air off. I'm like, no, perfect, perfect. I love it. Turn the air off.

• 51:37Drew Afualo?

  And they turned it off because obviously they don't want to hear it in the mics. And so I was sweating like a motherfucker. We had to keep pausing so that I could wipe off, like towel off, like a boxer. And then I remember at the end, when we wrapped finally, I was like, oh, thank god, like I'm done. The sound guy came up to me, he was like, oh, can I grab your mic? Girl, I was like my sister, because I had, it was blue, like, and I was like, I knew I was sweating through it. I just knew. And I was like, whatever my back looks like. Please don't hold that against me.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  I have to say that all the time.

• 52:10Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I'm like, if it looks horrifying back there, I'm so sorry.

• 52:14Speaker 03

  I'm very sorry.

• 52:14Drew Afualo?

  And I was telling Jason, like, my sister, I was telling her, it's also because that's a man taking it off me and I'm like, me not wanting to get caught slipping.

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 52:23Drew Afualo?

  Don't you hold that against me. Don't you dare.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  It's real though.

• 52:27Drew Afualo?

  I literally was like, and it's because I sweat through the sides too, like armpits and everything.

• 52:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:31Drew Afualo?

  Horrifying.

• 52:31Speaker 03

  It's okay.

• 52:32Drew Afualo?

  Have you thought about like getting botox and stuff to not sweat? I don't feel like you sweat nearly as much as I do.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  I nervous sweat. I nervous sweat.

• 52:38Drew Afualo?

  Nervous sweat. That's tea.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  I never, but like not, like definitely my underarms. But botox helps with that? I didn't know that.

• 52:45Drew Afualo?

  Apparently if you get them like injected, it helps the sweat not come down.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, maybe something with the pores closed.

• 52:51Drew Afualo?

  It's like it freezes them. And then it, what they do say though is that it redirects to another part of your body because the sweat has to come out.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm like, what, it gotta come out.

• 53:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so you still get hot, but it just redirects and I'm like, okay.

• 53:03Speaker 03

  To a different place.

• 53:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, so because I'm more of a face sweater. That's like where it norm, like gushes out of me. But then I'm like, well, let me find out. I get the botox and it goes to my lower back. How is that any better?

• 53:13Speaker 03

  Or your feet or somewhere random.

• 53:15Drew Afualo?

  Then I have a different problem. I have to figure out.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  They gotta, you gotta keep going back.

• 53:20Drew Afualo?

  That's how they get you.

• 53:20Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 53:23Drew Afualo?

  Okay, let me move on to this next one. I'm like, back to misogyny. Okay. Speaking of sweaty. Okay, so in this video, a woman who makes dating TikTok says she's received a lot of comments that men would rather marry a quote, traditional woman than a quote, modern woman. She asked viewers if this is true and what the terms of traditional versus modern.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:43Drew Afualo?

  Even means to them. And these men in the comments had a lot of thoughts.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 53:48Drew Afualo?

  Of course they did. I'm so glad. I want to hear what men have to say all the time. About everything. This one says they're problematic, have no self-control, super narcissistic, have no skills outside of a nine to five. Not feminine, no self-preservation. Huh?

• 54:05Speaker 03

  This is, this is from a man, this is a man.

• 54:06Drew Afualo?

  A man, a man saying why he hates modern women.

• 54:09Speaker 03

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 54:10Drew Afualo?

  No skills outside of a nine to five?

• 54:12Speaker 03

  This is just such a huge generalization.

• 54:17Speaker 03

  Like is that not insane?

• 54:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's insane. Like, what am I supposed to be, a fucking cartographer? Like, they're like, oh, can you, can you sew? Like, also teaching straight awful men the term narcissist.

• 54:31Drew Afualo?

  It was a curse, but on this earth, bitch. That was one of the curses that came out of Pandora's box. That's for real. No one, they should have never given him that word, the access to the word.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  Cause she asked, what's the difference to men?

• 54:44Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like, like, why, if you feel that way, why? And like, what would be the difference between? A tradit- and every time they say traditional.

• 54:52Speaker 03

  What did I mean by that? Maybe?

• 54:53Drew Afualo?

  A trad wife, have you heard of trad wives?

• 54:55Speaker 03

  Nah.

• 54:56Drew Afualo?

  They're just, it's women who stay at home, cook and clean, that's it. And they don't talk much. So it's like,

• 55:01Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:02Drew Afualo?

  No talk, no talking, no thoughts, no nothing. Um, it's stay at home, cook, clean, yeah. It's basically like I've said before, like, men like that, they say like, oh, I just want a homemaker. I'm like, no, you fucking don't.

• 55:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:14Drew Afualo?

  You want a lobotomized bitch. Like, that's what you want. You want a bitch that is just standing there and does whatever you say.

• 55:19Speaker 03

  And agrees.

• 55:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and agrees with everything you say and has no problem with anything you do, and then cooks and cleans and serves you like a, like a servant.

• 55:26Speaker 03

  Woman like that. That exists.

• 55:29Drew Afualo?

  Like, ever?

• 55:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 55:30Drew Afualo?

  That's why I was like, I think about, I think even back generationally, like in my family. And I was like, every bitch in my bloodline.

• 55:37Speaker 03

  Like, I don't know.

• 55:38Drew Afualo?

  Is loud as fuck. Like, I don't know.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  There's a lot of women in my family too. So I think I'm just very used to growing up in a women dominated, like, space.

• 55:48Drew Afualo?

  Same. And my, I'm Sam one, so I'm, I'm indigenous Pacific Islander. So like, I've told people before, someone, some, someone's culture prior to being colonized is very matriarchal. So we've always, yeah, we've always held women in very high regard. A lot of Pacific Islander communities are the same exact way. So women have always been empowered in my purview, like in my perspective. So when I started.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Outside and was like.

• 56:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I said, ooh, ew, that's why y'all doing it out here? Yeah.

• 56:18Drew Afualo?

  I said, oh, that's not gonna work for me.

• 56:19Speaker 03

  It's not gonna work.

• 56:20Drew Afualo?

  That's not gonna work for me.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  Oh my, they don't sound like real breathing women.

• 56:23Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying, like, who are they, I'm gonna say, who are you referencing? Like, especially a lot of times, they're young men, so I'm like, you haven't even lived long enough to meet enough women.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:33Drew Afualo?

  Let alone a woman exactly like the way you're describing, I don't know. It's so, yeah, y'all are scary. It says, I've dated too many strong and independent women or girl bosses, no more, those women are not it. Well, I can lie on the internet, too.

• 56:50Drew Afualo?

  They lie all the time and nobody is like, I don't, hey, I don't believe you. Like when men say, I've dated a lot of them, I don't believe you.

• 56:56Speaker 03

  I don't believe you.

• 56:57Drew Afualo?

  I don't believe you, I think you're a liar, I think Pixar didn't happen, you know, that's how I feel. Yeah, okay, I'll just, I'll do this last shit comment, but it says, there's a third modern woman, they're not independent or career driven, but have a conflated sense of entitlement due to online validation. Guilty as charged.

• 57:16Drew Afualo?

  I'm the one validating them, hoes, you know what I'm saying? Like, it'll be me every day, all day, until the end of time, bitch.

• 57:21Speaker 03

  That is so funny.

• 57:22Drew Afualo?

  That's me, bitch, you're looking at her.

• 57:23Speaker 03

  To me, it sounds like some jealousy, I think men should be in men's comments, like, hyping them up a little bit, if that's what they want.

• 57:30Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, they're like, there's a third one, it's, and it's a bitch who puts on TikTok and gets validated by somebody else. I'm like, men, men seek validation from each other all the time, all the time. I'm like, no one needs, no one needs validation more than like, men like this.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's true.

• 57:47Drew Afualo?

  And they need it from other grown men, never from the women that they're allegedly liking and they want to date. The other day, or literally like, two days ago, I got back from a trip with my family, and we were standing at the baggage claim, and this old, this old ass white guy, and I can say that because he was a dick, but like, this old ass white guy, old white guys salivate over my boyfriend, like, or my fiance, and my dad, because they're big brown guys.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:15Drew Afualo?

  And my dad used to play in the NFL a long time ago, and so like, when they see my dad, they're like, Sports like immediately.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  They gotta say something.

• 58:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're like, ah, sports, sports. And so this guy was holding my dad hostage at baggage baggage claim, talking about sports for god knows how long.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 58:31Drew Afualo?

  And my poor dad, my dad is so shy and like antisocial that my dad's just like.

• 58:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 58:37Drew Afualo?

  He just stares with with a smile on his face, doesn't talk and they just talk at him for like thirty minutes. So this guy's like talking his ear off and eventually we were like, okay, we gotta go. So we leave and he, my dad was telling us in the car, what he was saying, he's like, yeah, he's telling me about like baseball and he was telling me about, you know, his season tickets and he was telling me about like this guy's stats from college, like all this shit.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  Random.

• 58:58Drew Afualo?

  All about.

• 58:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:00Drew Afualo?

  Baseball players, what the fuck ever.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:02Drew Afualo?

  And this man's like probably in his like seventies. And I told my dad, I said, I find it shocking when men, like the only thing that makes up their entire personality is memorizing the accomplishments of men far greater than them. You're a fucking weirdo. You're a loser. Hey, you're a loser. You're a big fat loser bitch.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Not memorizing.

• 59:23Drew Afualo?

  That's all they have in their brain. They can't talk about anything else. Like you are boring as fuck and you're a weirdo. Like, sorry, sorry. And that's how all these men are. Like, they're like, again, lobotomized. Like, they, they wanna like, just being able to cite off the nineteen sixty-five World Series MVPs college. You are a freak. Hey, you're a freak. Hey, grow another personality. I'm sorry, find something else like. And it's crazy how in the midst of him like ta- telling my dad all this shit that nobody cares about. Um, he made like a bunch of transphobic comments too.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  How did that slip in?

• 59:57Drew Afualo?

  Girl, I don't know. I said, huh? Like, what the fuck? You're talking about the World Series and how did you get there? Oh, I know why. Cause like my dad was wearing a hat that was a Yankees hat. The Yankees are in the World Series. My dad doesn't give a fuck about baseball. He just liked the color of the hat. Which honestly would have been so funny if he said that.

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  I'm a fan of him.

• 1:00:15Drew Afualo?

  I just dig the color. That's pretty much it. But he talked to him about the Yankees for thirty minutes and uh, he was like, yeah, next thing you know, they're gonna make, they're gonna make them in, in, in different colors, like for trans people. What? What?

• 1:00:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:00:29Drew Afualo?

  What would that even look like? And what does that have to do with baseball?

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  What does that have to do with, like, why?

• 1:00:32Drew Afualo?

  And then I told my dad, I said, "That man is so old, I could have pushed him over and he would turn to dust." Fuck you bitch. Like, get out of here. You geriatric fuck.

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Who made him even say, like, "People hate you"?

• 1:00:43Drew Afualo?

  And then I'm like, and then you expect me to not make fun of you when I get in the car? I'm going to.

• 1:00:47Speaker 03

  You're making it hard.

• 1:00:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, I'm not surprised that, that trans people scare you because you've been alive since, I'm sure you were in grade school with Jesus Christ, so. Sorry, the world looks a lot different than it did back when you lived in Jerusalem, you fucking old bitch. That's what makes me so mad. I get so angry at old white people who act like that, like, it makes me so mad. I feel like personally attacked.

• 1:01:08Speaker 03

  I'm like, "Yo, poor dad."

• 1:01:11Drew Afualo?

  I said, "Girl, don't worry about trans people, get your affairs in order." Cause one fart and you're gone, you're done. You better get out of my face immediately. I hate old people. I don't hate old people, I hate old bigoted people.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:01:24Drew Afualo?

  That's who I hate. But my point being, like, me going on a, a complete and utter tangent. My point being, like, men like that, that is a man who grew up, who constantly seeks the validation of other men. Like, and I said, "And look, you are father time." And you still care what men think about you? What a prison. That must be a prison.

• 1:01:45Speaker 03

  You really gotta feel bad.

• 1:01:46Drew Afualo?

  Really, like, it's just truly like, that is sad, like, and I, and I think I, I talk about that too, I'm like, the irony of men getting so mad at me, like, like, very specific awful men, getting so pissed off at what I do, is that, if you fought with me, i- it could free you too.

• 1:02:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Drew Afualo?

  Like, it hurts all of us, it doesn't just hurt women, it doesn't just hurt, you know, gay people, trans people, non-binary people.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  It's everybody.

• 1:02:06Drew Afualo?

  It hurts everybody, including men. And I was like, it must be a prison to like, feel like you have to perform every time you see other men.

• 1:02:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Drew Afualo?

  That look big and strong.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:14Drew Afualo?

  Weird. You're a big freak. You're a weirdo.

• 1:02:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what sign are you?

• 1:02:20Speaker 03

  What do you think?

• 1:02:24Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  Aquarius.

• 1:02:27Drew Afualo?

  An Aquarius? I love Aquarius.

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  Really?

• 1:02:30Drew Afualo?

  Well, Aquarius women. I love Aquarian women. I would say that about any sign when it comes to men.

• 1:02:38Drew Afualo?

  I'm a Virgo.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Right, oh cute, I love y'all.

• 1:02:42Drew Afualo?

  I know, I love, I love, I love Aquarian women. I, I get along with Aquarian wom- women pretty well, I would say.

• 1:02:47Speaker 03

  That's good.

• 1:02:48Drew Afualo?

  But to be honest, I feel like I get along with all the signs.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:50Drew Afualo?

  It's just men where I'm like.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:52Drew Afualo?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  I love y'all because I feel like you're bringing so much like structure to us.

• 1:02:57Drew Afualo?

  Planning.

• 1:02:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, planning, real life.

• 1:03:00Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  You bring us like down.

• 1:03:02Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:03:04Drew Afualo?

  Aquari- Aquarians are always so creative.

• 1:03:06Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:07Drew Afualo?

  Like, that's why it makes a lot of sense that you're an artist. Like, they're so creative in the way you see things. And Aquarians always dress fucking awesome. And they're always like, your taste in music and art and everything, film.

• 1:03:17Speaker 03

  Oh, what else?

• 1:03:18Drew Afualo?

  Top notch. Oh my gosh, what else do you like about me?

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Make sure you're rolling.

• 1:03:25Drew Afualo?

  Okay, just to wrap us. Uh, I know we've talked about all kinds of things, but what I would love to, to end on would be if you have any advice for any up and coming artists, especially young women.

• 1:03:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Drew Afualo?

  Uh, and just people in general who feel maybe like, I feel like this past year especially has been a really big year for women in music. Which is fantastic and I'm so happy that you're in there too. I'm so excited about that, but like.

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  Thank you boo.

• 1:03:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what would you say is your best piece of advice for people who are pursuing, especially because you started so young?

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:58Drew Afualo?

  And like, like how to navigate it or how to like stay close to their art form, anything like that?

• 1:04:05Speaker 03

  That's tough. Um, I think the biggest thing to keep in mind is that there're gonna be a lot of voices and opinions and people who are older than you, who you think are smarter than you. Um. But really zero zeroing in on like what you want in your voice and the things that make you feel good out of music and like holding on to that.

• 1:04:31Drew Afualo?

  Totally.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  And not letting all the other things cloud that. I know that sounds like a big word salad that a lot of people may say.

• 1:04:38Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:38Speaker 03

  But I think it's crucial.

• 1:04:40Drew Afualo?

  Absolutely.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  And even just keeping family close is something that has helped me a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. Even moving from Chicago to a whole nother city where I don't, I didn't really know anybody and you can just easily get lost and get sway this way or that way.

• 1:04:57Drew Afualo?

  That's so true.

• 1:04:58Speaker 03

  But I think like channeling that inner voice and like making it, for me, it's getting clearer and clearer the older I get. And I'm able to hear it a little better.

• 1:05:08Drew Afualo?

  Thankfully.

• 1:05:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:09Drew Afualo?

  Which is a wonderful thing. And I'm glad you're listening to it too.

• 1:05:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:05:12Drew Afualo?

  Cause I feel like women especially who like grow up essentially in the industry that you're you're in currently is like, um, they almost get taught and trained to not listen to that voice because like you said, it's easy to be moved.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:05:26Drew Afualo?

  So I think that's a wonderful thing. And I do want to say too that I think you are fantastic and I think your art is so beautiful. And I'm excited to see where you keep going. I know you're on a real trajectory right now, but I'm very excited for you. And I'm on the ground floor. Where the fuck were you at? Exactly. You weren't here with me. Tune in with me. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I think you're fantastic and amazing and so talented. And for those who don't know, where can they find you?

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  You can find me on everything at Raven Linet.

• 1:05:54Drew Afualo?

  Period. And you can stream all of Raven's music on all streaming platforms as well.

• 1:05:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Drew Afualo?

  And you are going on tour again.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:02Drew Afualo?

  In November.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:06:04Drew Afualo?

  How exciting. For Europe.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  Yep, Europe.

• 1:06:07Drew Afualo?

  We have a lot of European listeners. Get into it, Europe.

• 1:06:09Speaker 03

  Yay.

• 1:06:10Drew Afualo?

  I'm like just saying Europe.

• 1:06:13Drew Afualo?

  But thank you all so much for tuning in. Thank you to my amazing guest Raven for coming on. For those of you that don't remember or aren't familiar, new episodes of the comment section drop every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms or you can watch the video exclusively and for free on Spotify, which is perfect because Raven Linet's whole entire discography is also on Spotify. You can listen to that. You can watch this episode and then you can go see her on tour in Europe if you would like. And thank you all so much for tuning in. Thank you to my amazing guests. And I'll see you next week. Bye.

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