205. Dr. Josh Axe: On Longevity Secrets, Mitochondrial Health, Peptide Therapy & Parasite Infections

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  The Bible, to me, is actually the greatest health book ever written. And it gets into so many details about toxicity and cleansing and healing.

• 0:08Gary Brecka?

  If something's been around for 5,000 years, it's probably because it works.

• 0:13Speaker 00

  There are literally almost 100,000 people in Japan over 100 years old. Their form of medicine over there is a type of Chinese medicine, which is called Kampo. Combined with more of the functional medicine that we are aware of today.

• 0:25Gary Brecka?

  We've lost the notion that connection is medicine, that nature is medicine, and that food is medicine. And before we had medicine, that was our medicine.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  But I do think we want to do everything we can to both practice these traditional ideas and these more cutting-edge concepts that modern-day science has brought us.

• 0:44Gary Brecka?

  I think when you look at the big data, there's no dogmatic diet that extended life. It was absolutely the absence of processed foods, but also the sense of community and purpose.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  The number-one factor for longevity is having a great support of family and friends around you.

• 0:59Gary Brecka?

  When someone's starting on this journey and they want to make basic lifestyle shifts, how important is diet? How important is connection?

• 1:08Speaker 00

  When we are prioritizing what makes people well again, at the very, very top, even ahead of diet, is...

• 1:26Gary Brecka?

  Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, Gary Brecka. Where we go down the road of everything: anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And this is a special episode, all the way from London, England. And we're both jet-lagged, so maybe we should talk about jet-lag.

• 1:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:44Gary Brecka?

  I think he got in after a red-eye flight. I got in at about 2 o'clock this morning, and we're bringing the episode to you live. One of my very, very good friends, fellow chiropractor, and just an incredibly spiritual, passionate, driven human being. I know you know who this gentleman is. I'm really, really excited to have you back on the Ultimate Human Podcast. Welcome, Dr. X.

• 2:07Speaker 00

  Gary, thanks for having me. Excited to be here.

• 2:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, me too. We've done challenges together and water fasting challenges and you know, we've done podcasts and we've done podcast swaps. And I'm just so, and I believe my audience is too, just so aligned with your philosophy in general of more of what God gave us, less of what man makes us.

• 2:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:28Gary Brecka?

  And I think as a broad theme, that would probably describe your philosophy and your approach.

• 2:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, a hundred percent. You know, I think, I think one thing that's really important for people to balance out, and this is one thing I really appreciate about you is, you know, we need to pay attention to the science and the studies and what they're saying. But you also have to, in your other hand, hold this balance of what does ancient wisdom say? What does the Bible say? What does traditional Chinese medicine say? You know, I read a study about studies recently and it's

• 2:58Gary Brecka?

  A study about studies?

• 2:59Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 3:00Gary Brecka?

  I think I read this one too.

• 3:01Speaker 00

  Over 50% of studies that are put out are false. Essentially in terms of what their findings are, and there are a lot of reasons for that. One is the bias of pharmaceutical companies and them manipulating the study to get what they want. Another thing is people cherry picking data, only giving you the parts that you want to see. The other thing is not getting into the details enough. For instance, there are studies showing red meat is bad for you. What type of red meat? Are you talking about grass fed, organic pasture raised beef? Are you talking about feed lot, GMO, eating pesticides, never out in the sun cattle? So, so overall, I think that if people want to get the best results and gain the greatest amount of wisdom, you need to really balance this sort of what is traditional wisdom say with?

• 3:46Speaker 00

  What does the science say? And the Bible to me is actually the greatest health book ever written. There is

• 3:53Gary Brecka?

  I think it's the greatest business book ever written.

• 3:54Speaker 00

  The greatest business book, greatest life book, and it gets into so many details about regenerative farming, about if you have mold, what do you do about that?

• 4:03Gary Brecka?

  Oh, I want to go down that road.

• 4:04Speaker 00

  And shelf and all and toxicity and cleansing and healing. So, so there's a lot of amazing content in there. So that that's definitely become a, you know, continued to be a passion of mine is teaching people, hey, what does the Bible say in some of these traditional forms of medicine along with what is the science saying? I know we both love A combination of all those things.

• 4:21Gary Brecka?

  I totally agree. You know, what's interesting is if you look at where the science has led us. I mean, first of all, something's been around for 5,000 years. Let's just take acupuncture, for example, or Ayurvedic medicine, which was, as I know it, to be the oldest form of medicine that we know of. And it was based largely on observation. Let me look at your eyes. Let me look at your tongue. Let me feel your body temperature, you know, based on observation. If something's been around for 5,000 years, it's probably because it works.

• 4:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:49Gary Brecka?

  Not much stuff that doesn't work sticks around for 5,000 years.

• 4:54Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 4:55Gary Brecka?

  And, and you know, we can also follow big data too. Like, we've never done a peer reviewed, randomized placebo controlled clinical trial on parachutes. But I would not jump out of an airplane without one, right?

• 5:07Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 5:07Gary Brecka?

  Who was in that control group, right? You're gonna line up over here, we're gonna give you the empty backpack, can you get that? But we have data that proves that they work, and we have a large data.

• 5:17Speaker 00

  Well, and I think looking at the big picture is important. For example, what you're sharing, you know, a, two months ago, the recent data came out on the country with the longest lifespan and the greatest amount of longevity. Think about this, Japan, right now, has 95,000 centurions.

• 5:35Gary Brecka?

  95,000?

• 5:36Speaker 00

  95,000. So there are literally almost 100,000 people in Japan over 100 years old. And they rank either one or two in overall health and longevity. The United States ranks around 70, according to the most recent data. So who should we be listening to? What should we be following? What's really interesting about Japan is their form of medicine over there is a type of Chinese medicine, which is called compo, combined with more of the functional medicine that we are aware of today. And that's a big reason why their lifespan is so long. So listen, if you want to live long, be healthy, heal disease, don't follow what a lot of the conventional medicine is doing in the United States. Instead, what are the people of Japan doing on a regular basis in order to stay well? And so that's part of that big picture perspective you're talking about.

• 6:21Gary Brecka?

  And what, what kinds of things are they doing? I mean, can you be a little more specific? I mean, what is, what is compo? I've heard of Tai Chi.

• 6:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:28Gary Brecka?

  But I assume that it's

• 6:30Speaker 00

  It's

• 6:30Gary Brecka?

  Some form of movement?

• 6:31Speaker 00

  It's well, it's actually their form of Chinese medicine. And so what they do is they they'll look at the body and they'll do diagnosis based on looking at your tongue is a really major indicator.

• 6:42Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 6:42Speaker 00

  Uh, and then they'll also run blood work from the Western side. But again, Campo, uh, it's based on what they call the five elements of Chinese medicine. But rather than looking at all your organ systems, they look at five organ systems, how they work together, how they impact each other. And they use that for healing people. And then their protocols tend to be the most lifestyle based of any form of medicine. So if you're sick with heart disease, probably the first thing that they're going to do is recommend you go and do something called forest bathing, or go out and do, uh, Tai Chi, or start taking a two hour lunch break. I mean, we're talking about major lifestyle shifts.

• 7:20Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  And then after that, they're going to recommend some dietary protocols. And we know that they're the greatest consumer, I think, per population of, uh, along with China of green tea. Uh, they do a lot of purple sweet potatoes over there. They do a lot, a lot of wild caught fish and seafood. They do a lot of seaweed. So their diet is incredibly nutrient dense. But overall, again, I will say, I think they're, they're, when I looked at their prescriptions and what they recommend the most, we're talking about just bigger lifestyle adjustments. You know, in the United States, and you've experienced this as you work with clients, and when we're working with people, they will schedule something from the moment they wake up till the second they crash at night. I think about all the moms out there, all the dads who are spending time, like soccer practice, full time work,

• 8:03Speaker 00

  serving and play. I mean, we're, so they, we are so busy and this puts us in this sort of fight or flight state.

• 8:08Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  I, I remember going on a mission trip to China, and it was a very similar thing in Japan to where there was, there was, there was just a more of a cadence of rest and get refreshed and I, during lunch one day, everyone came out and, uh, started doing Tai Chi in the streets after eating lunch and just moving for 30 minutes.

• 8:27Gary Brecka?

  And that was just a thing that they

• 8:28Speaker 00

  That was just the thing they did in the city we were in. Like the whole community came out and did this as part of their lunch break.

• 8:33Gary Brecka?

  That's so cool, man. You know, I think when you look at the big data too, you know, uh, blue zones, longevity studies. There's no, not dogmatic diet that drives longevity. In other words, it wasn't carnivore or just keto or just paleo or pescatarian or vegan or vegetarian. Um, you know, it wasn't the Atkins diet that extended life. It was Absolutely, the absence of processed foods. I mean, there are no longevity or blue zones that have highly processed foods. We can, we can take something from that. But also the sense of community and purpose.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:04Gary Brecka?

  Which I found pretty fascinating when I was, you know, researching the blue zones, because we, we've lost the notion that connection is medicine. That nature is medicine and that food is medicine. And before we had medicine, that was our medicine.

• 9:21Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 9:21Gary Brecka?

  And, and because it's still prolonging life and beating the statistics, we, we, we want to go more conventional towards chemicals, synthetics, pharmaceuticals. You know, I, I, I will sometimes, when I, when I do stage talks, I'll put up a crazy chart of your methylation, right?

• 9:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:39Gary Brecka?

  And it's, it's meant to be overwhelming and confusing because there's lines and charts going everywhere. Triptophan becomes, you know, serotonin and all this, you know, there's all this crazy stuff going on. And what's fascinating is if you blow that chart up, 90% of the audience will recognize the name of every nutrient in there. It's vitamins, it's minerals, it's amino acids, it's, it's all the things that drive our cellular biology.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:02Gary Brecka?

  And somehow we think that we can replace that absence with, you know, what, what man makes us.

• 10:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:08Gary Brecka?

  So, you know, back, back to the, the longevity. I mean, I know that you have a background as a chiropractor, acupuncturist, but, and you are, I would say, very eastern philosophy in the way that you approach things and treating the whole organism. I think one of the challenges we have in our modern medical system is we, I, I think of it like the hub of a wheel with all of these spokes. And as soon as something goes wrong, we're out chasing these spokes sort of away from the problem.

• 10:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:36Gary Brecka?

  I think maybe the Maha movement is maybe the first time in our modern history where we're actually trying to ask the questions about. What is the root cause of autism? Why do we have skyrocketing rates of obesity? Multiple chronic disease in this, in a single biome? When I actually was a mortality researcher, we lead the world in not just chronic disease, but multiple chronic disease processes in the same body.

• 11:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:07Gary Brecka?

  It's super not uncommon for somebody to have one or two autoimmune disorders, also have gut dysbiosis, advanced cardiovascular disease and, and type 2 diabetes. I mean, these

• 11:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:17Gary Brecka?

  massive. So when, when someone's starting on this journey and they're, they want to make basic lifestyle shifts. I mean, and then I want to get into some of the details. I want to go down the mold bandwagon with you. I want to go down the autoimmune bandwagon with you.

• 11:34Gary Brecka?

  How important is diet? How important is mobility? How important is connection? Uh, how important is returning to nature? You actually mentioned forest bathing.

• 11:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:48Gary Brecka?

  I assume it's what it sounds like.

• 11:49Speaker 00

  It is.

• 11:50Gary Brecka?

  It is?

• 11:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:51Gary Brecka?

  Can you talk a little bit about that?

• 11:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So, so well, first off, I think when you're, when we are prioritizing what makes people sick and what makes people well again, at the very, very top, even ahead of diet is this deep, it's, it's personal connection. It's your emotional health, your mental health, your spiritual health, your connection with God, your connection with others. I mean, the Bible alludes this to in, you know, love God, love your neighbor. And, and then there are other areas where it's like, like, love the planet, right? So I think having these deep intimate relationships with God, with others, with the planet, that philosophically and in reality is going to lead to the greatest level of health. And so, and this is something a lot of people want to skip over. You know, I know in taking care of tens of thousands of patients in my lifetime, one of the greatest things I see making people sick today

• 12:36Speaker 00

  is they'll have had childhood trauma and they will not have dealt with it.

• 12:40Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 12:41Speaker 00

  And so they will have feelings of shame, guilt, regret.

• 12:46Speaker 00

  That sort of live and a lot of times they'll take these emotions or memories and they'll sort of stuff them down deep because they're painful. But unless you fully address them, it's sort of this reoccurring pain that's happening over and over and over again. That's just as an example of one thing, but I think going and addressing and focusing on dealing with childhood trauma.

• 13:05Gary Brecka?

  Can we drill into that a little bit? Like, how do you deal with childhood trauma?

• 13:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, so what I, and I'll share this for myself, and this is a more, a less traumatic event, but still somewhat traumatic for me. So when I was, when I was in high school, I had a teacher say, Josh, would you stay after class? This is my English teacher, name is Miss Noble, and I stayed after and she said, Josh, what do you want to do after, after high school? And I said, I want to be a doctor. And the reason is, Gary, the year before, my mom had just gone through breast cancer, lost all of her hair, mastectomy, rounds and rounds of chemo. So when I saw my mom suffering like that, I said, I want to help people like my mom. I remember even just praying, God, like, use me to help people like my mom. It really set me on this path to.

• 13:49Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, you felt so helpless.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, to natural health. And so I remember praying that. And so I told her, I said, I want to be a doctor. And Gary, she looked at me and she laughed and she said, listen, Josh, you'll never be a doctor with your GPA. She said, right now, you're getting a D minus in my class. I want you to stay after because you got an F on this paper. She goes, you need to try harder. You'll be lucky to graduate high school. And, and I, it was, I mean, it was.

• 14:14Gary Brecka?

  She means to read How to Win Friends and Influence People.

• 14:16Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 14:17Gary Brecka?

  She skipped a huge half.

• 14:18Speaker 00

  It was really, it was really, really brutal. And then two weeks later, my mom brought me to see an M D, a family doctor, and he, and he talked about me like I wasn't in the room. And he said, listen, your son has ADHD, it's really severe. Here's Ritalin, and you know, he's got this, it's a learning disability. So at the time, like, I kept hearing in my head.

• 14:39Gary Brecka?

  Oh, my God.

• 14:40Speaker 00

  Oh, I've got a, I've got a disability. I can't, like, I'm like medically not smart. And so in high school, I just kind of stopped trying. And I barely graduated high school with like, I mean, literally like a 2.0 GPA. I mean, very, very low. Applied to a bunch of colleges, didn't get into most. And finally, I got into one. Here's their letter. It was like, you're not in, but if you come and take summer school and you average above a I mean, I mean, like, that's me summing it up. But that's essentially what it said at the beginning, like, you're not in, but if you come and take summer school, uh, average above a 3.0, we'll let you in. And I thought, okay, I'm gonna do this. So I grew up in Ohio, went to, it was University of Kentucky. First time they'd ever done this, went and took summer school. And the first class I had was English 101.

• 15:21Speaker 00

  First big assignment was a paper. Turned it in, felt good about it. Three days later, the teacher says to me, your name is Ms. Williams. Josh, would you stay after class? And I said, uh, yeah. And my stomach sank. I thought, oh no, you know, this again. And she goes, hey, what's your major? And I said, uh, I haven't chosen one, Ms. Williams. She said, well, I think you should consider being an English major, journalism major, because you're really talented writer. You're 40, came to the class, you got the highest grade. Great job. And Gary, I walked out of there and it literally transformed my life. Like, I had one memory of with a teacher and her say one thing to me. And it literally destroyed me for four years. I mean, I was so, I had such a hard time learning. I mean, I just, again, barely getting through high school. And then the teacher, one teacher, said something positive to me in that way. And it radically changed my life.

• 16:06Speaker 00

  And everybody listening to this has probably had somebody do that. They've had somebody say something negative or somebody say something positive. And it was a turning point in their life. And that, that was true for me. And so now it was a little bit of a process of me continuing, continuing to say, hey, you're smart. You can do well. And what's crazy is, you know, then I went and got my doctorate, got a 3.1 GPA, went to John Hopkins, graduated with a, with a 3.9 GPA from there. So, so, and I just share that to say, like, I was a kid that barely got through high school. And, um, but the power of words and the power of having the right type of people around you, the right community, the right family. One of the studies I've heard you quote before, which is such a brilliant study, is the Harvard study. It's almost 90 years now.

• 16:49Speaker 00

  The number one factor for longevity is having a great support of family and friends around you. So true. And, and, and that is number one. Those things are number one. So when it comes to trauma, here's practically what I have patients do. Number one, Let's address the memories. Here's what I have them do first. Write, write. I want you to just write for a while. Write down what are things that still bother you today that happened in the past. Write down all those memories.

• 17:12Gary Brecka?

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• 17:50Speaker 00

  And is there, are there certain things that bring up guilt, shame, discontent, hurt? Okay, write down what those things are. Okay, now that you've written those things down, I want you to do something, and this is hard for some, depending upon the trauma, write down how that has been used for good for life, or you can use that for good, that trauma. And, and I want you to see it in a totally different light where you're no longer the victim, you're the hero. You're now the hero of the story, and God is going to be able to use this for good in your life to help others. You know what's crazy? So my mom had cancer. She will tell you today, she's glad she had cancer, twice. Because she'll tell you that she now has a better relationship with my dad. She has

• 18:32Speaker 00

  learned to cherish every single day. It is, like God has used it for good in her life. And so I think that if you can change that perspective, and the other thing would be, go through a practice of forgiveness. If somebody has hurt you, forgive them. We know that living with unforgiveness is like you drinking poison. It's not hurting them, it's hurting you more so. So, so practice unforgiveness. And then the other thing is, then develop a practice of building your identity and your purpose in life. And, and the more virtuous or the greater thing you tie it to, the more fulfillment you have in life. And that's why God and the Christian faith is so powerful, is that you're tying yourself to the greatest person that's ever lived in Jesus. And it gives you a sense of your, his child, your, uh, your his heir, you have a calling on

• 19:17Speaker 00

  your life now. And so it gives you a sense of identity and purpose like you've never had before. So I think, and then my mom also meditated on Bible verses daily and just did things for growing herself. And so I think that those are some of the things people can do to help heal and overcome everything from childhood trauma to negative emotions they might be experiencing.

• 19:37Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, because I think, you know, I had this discussion on a podcast actually earlier today and we were talking about, um, if we put, let's say 50 of the leading experts in longevity, anti-aging, bio-optimization, wellness, whatever you want to call it, functional medicine in a room, um, what one thing, what one theory on aging do, do, do I think they would all agree on? And I was like, oof. Um, I said, likely the theory of immunofatigue, which is a slow, progressive overwhelming of the immune system. You know, if you look at when we're infants, the amount of time that the immune system spends policing ourselves

• 20:21Gary Brecka?

  versus protecting us from, you know, parasites, viruses, pathogens, glyphosate, BPAs, you know, poofus, all of these things. And, and once we make it into adulthood, our immune system seems to be really distracted because of all the, I'll just call them micro poisons, micro toxins we're putting in. Would you agree with that?

• 20:41Speaker 00

  Uh, I, I would say that's incredibly high on the list, you know, it's, what's, what's happened today is our, our, our body should be constantly adapting, but it should be adapting to local environmental stressors that then act as a form of hormesis that make us stronger. I mean, this is, and we don't get much of this today. Like if you're eating food out of your local garden, carrots and beets, and they have these, you know, types of microbes on them or local honey and pollen, you're getting, it's actually a natural form of immunization. You're getting micro doses on a regular basis. Your body's building up tolerance, getting stronger. Now it has certain types of gut bacteria and enzymes your body will create to break down and better digest the food, bolster your immune system.

• 21:26Speaker 00

  So all that's happening. Well, what's happening today is we're spending such little time outside and such little time getting these foods that are in our local area. Instead, we're getting, to your point, glyphosate, heavy metals, environmental toxins, and our body is dealing with those. And those are two different types of immune systems. The one type of immune system is really going to be strengthening to your overall long-term immunity, to your point. The other one is going to cause one system to over-activate, and it's going to increase your risk of issues like autoimmune disease, probably at the top of the list, but even things like cancer.

• 22:02Gary Brecka?

  You know, what's fascinating to me is that as a category of disease, autoimmune in 85% of the cases is idiopathic. It's of unknown origin. So, you know, most people, when they're told they have an autoimmune disease, that, you know, they're basically told, "You woke up one day, and your immune system went haywire. It's attacking your colon. You have Crohn's. Oh, it's after the lacrimal gland in the eye. You have Sjogren's. It's now attacking the thyroid. You have Hashimoto's. It's attacking the, you know, the myelin sheath. You have multiple sclerosis." But when you try to take that a step further and ask your doctor, "Well, what caused my immune system to go haywire?" Well, we don't know. You know,

• 22:42Gary Brecka?

  just luck of the draw. It happens. Or, God forbid, they say it's hereditary. It's familial. So, you know, while we don't know the genesis of autoimmune, I would argue that if you eliminated some of the big four mold mycotoxins, heavy metals, parasites, viruses, you would dramatically narrow down this idiopathic portion of those causes.

• 23:08Speaker 00

  I agreed. You know, let me say, though, like, go one step, maybe backwards with this, too, in terms of what I think a big cause is. I think that those exposures are big. They're a huge part of autoimmune disease, to your point. I think part of the reason, though, people become more susceptible to those microbes is because of the emotional, spiritual, and mental drain people have, like not getting enough sleep, or dealing with these constant feelings of shame and regret. So, we talked about Kempo, and that's a part of that Japanese medicine system that they're using over there. You know, within That system, they believe that certain emotions tax different organs.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  So if you're living with shame and guilt from the past, or, or let's say you have a regret, something's happened in the past and you haven't been able to let go and move on from it. They'll say that is the biggest thing that taxes your immune system, weakens your immune system. German new medicine, if you're familiar with German new medicine, this is a, German new medicine is really the psychological component that makes us sick.

• 24:11Gary Brecka?

  German new medicine.

• 24:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a, it's, it's based off of, I think, a lot of the ideas of this campo and Chinese medicine. But here's an example of what they believe with autoimmune disease. They believe part of autoimmune disease is the fact that your body's attacking itself. And that is due to the fact that you are emotionally attacking yourself. And they believe a lot of people with autoimmune disease say things like, you shouldn't have done that. Why did you say that? Negative self-talk, constantly beating themself up, or they are reliving things that maybe they're, where their parents were critical of them. And so they have this thing that's kind of happening where they are literally attacking themselves over and over and over mentally, and sometimes it's in the subconscious.

• 24:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 00

  And, and that's a contributor there. And I think what happens then is when you're, when, when you are overly busy, you're not sleeping well enough, all those things are adding up mentally, you're in this fight or flight state. Eventually, it's like your batteries burn out. We know this, we can talk about mitochondria health, but those batteries get so depleted.

• 25:11Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 00

  That now your body can't deal with all of the infections, the parasites, the mold, the viruses, the long COVID, the, all of those things, and then it just overtakes your immune system. You know, and that, that's, that's part of the process.

• 25:23Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, let's go into the mitochondria, because I, I'd love to talk about that. I mean, you know, I was saying that broad category of immunofatigue is just a, you know, something that at 30,000 feet, the majority of, you know, the great thinkers would agree on.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Agree.

• 25:38Gary Brecka?

  You don't have a healthy immune system.

• 25:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 25:40Gary Brecka?

  You know, you're, you're in for a short ride.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  That's what, well, well, think about, again, how many people have autoimmune disease today? How many people have cancer today? I mean, those two in particular, as much as any, that those are caused by exactly what you're saying.

• 25:53Gary Brecka?

  And the vast majority autoimmune is, are in women. So you it's very much to what you're saying that it's not that it has a sexual bias. It's that, you know, women, for example, are more likely to have caregiver syndrome. I know this from mortality space.

• 26:07Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 26:08Gary Brecka?

  And caregiver syndrome is a real syndrome where you just constantly put the needs of other people before your own. You know, your kids, your spouse, your career, what have you. And you're constantly just putting yourself further and further in the backseat.

• 26:20Speaker 00

  That's so good. You know, as we were talking about these ancient forms of medicine, they believed that the reason why women got breast cancer specifically is you think what the breasts are. They are for nurturing an infant and for sexual arousal. Well, they will say one of the number of reasons why women get breast cancer is they give and they give and they give till they have nothing left. It's over nurturing while not being nurtured yourself.

• 26:41Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 26:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:42Gary Brecka?

  So when we talk about, you know, the mitochondria, you know, has the further I've gotten down the the bandwagon of of looking at longevity and anti aging, you can't open that discussion without talking about the mitochondria. I mean, that is the powerhouse, the energy source inside the cell. I think everybody is familiar with the term. It's 10% of her body weight. You've got about 110 trillion of these. I don't know who counted them, but I'll take their word for it. But we have about 110 trillion of these. And I still remember my biology class how like bored I was studying the Krebs cycle. And now I've actually gone back and relearned it.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  You're so funny. Well, yeah, I was. So funny. I was so. So when we were at the Health Optimization Summit in Austin, speaking together, you spoke right before me. And so I listened to your your lecture. And I remember, you know, you're putting out, you put up methylation, you put up Krebs cycle. And I was laughing because I'm like, it is so funny that when I was in high school science class, I'm like, you know, I don't want to hear anything about the Krebs cycle. And now we're both going back and, you know, doing more research and study anyways. I appreciate it.

• 27:52Gary Brecka?

  So so how do we care for this little microscopic organelle? Why is it so important? What? How is it the genesis of or a driver of disease? How does it help us be more resistant to disease? And how could it be linked to longevity?

• 28:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's interesting. A few years ago, I shouldn't say a few years ago, my first two years in practice. And you work this hard too. So it's like I was working 60 hours a week, putting in so much time. And I started getting leaky gut, like loose stools, breakout, like just, just these health issues, but especially digestive distress. And I thought, this is crazy. I'm eating perfectly. I'm eating like superfood smoothies and salads. And then I went to see an acupuncturist and he felt my pulse, looked at my tongue and he said, he goes, Dr. Axe, your battery is down here. It needs to be here. He kept showing me like how much like your battery is depleted. And I was like, okay, well, what do I need to do? And basically, here's the biggest thing I did, Gary. Once it hit five o'clock, once I ate dinner, I

• 28:52Speaker 00

  stopped working because, because I used to get home and even while I was watching TV and I was on my laptop or my phone, like doing more work. And he's like, listen, you just have to take, he's like, I want you to take 30 minutes at lunch and then once five o'clock rolls around, you're done. No more work. I said, okay, I did that. Leaky gut fixed and healed completely. Wow. From, from, from that one change, but, but it, it led me to understand this idea that we all have batteries. And part of these batteries in Western medicine, we talk about our mitochondria. And these batteries, our mitochondria, they run every single cell, every tissue, every organ of your body. And if that's depleted, you can't heal. Like when I'm thinking about the root issues for most people, it's, it's

• 29:34Speaker 00

  threefold. It's, and if we're talking about cellular medicine, it's cellular toxicity, cellular deficiency, and cellular energy issues. So we know toxicity issues, we've talked about that, everything from glyphosate to mold to, you know, I would say even pathogenic infections, sugar acts as a toxin. So that's destroying our cells. The other thing is, again, just deficiencies, right? A lot of the things in the methylation cycle, methylfolate, zinc, vitamin D, magnesium, these are critical. But then there's this idea of cellular energy. And in Kempo, Chinese medicine, they would call this qi. This is your energy. And that's really tied, that's what mitochondria is today. And this, this ATP, this cellular energy.

• 30:15Speaker 00

  And so in order to boost that the most, if we're looking at modern science and then ancient science, so modern science, they would say, there's this compound in Pomegranates and raspberries called alegic acid. If you have a healthy gut microbiome, that can be converted into urolithin A, B, C, D, and E. That's an amazing compound for regenerating and healing mitochondria. I know that you, if we were sitting down here, you were sharing with me some new technology, which I love. If, if, it's like, if I want to know what's new and going on and new products, nobody knows it before Gary Brecka. So, so I appreciate that, but you have this incredible new NAD plus.

• 30:51Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 30:51Speaker 00

  Product you were, you were sharing with me. That's an incredible compound. And so, yeah, pomegranates, NAD plus. We know, again, even the methylation cycle is connected here. So getting these B vitamins is critically important. I mean, I like organs and glandulars for that. If we're talking about sort of things that you're going to find that are completely food based. But I, but it's a lot of these nutrient dense foods. And then outside of that, it's getting deeper sort of sleep.

• 31:18Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 31:18Speaker 00

  It's tied to breathing and breath work, breathing properly, whether that be exercise or doing box breathing or those things. And the last thing that a lot of people don't talk about would be having a purpose in life. According to all these ancient forms of medicine. Yeah, if you want to fuel your mitochondria, go deep, meditate, read the Bible, chew on what it says. It's, it's, it's tied to what they call the water element, which is tied to your adrenal glands. You want to go really, really deep in life. Most people today, it's like, I don't have a million friends. I'm going to be on social media. I'm doing like, we spread ourselves really thin. No, mitochondrial health is all about going very deep spiritually, having a sense of purpose and taking action on that.

• 32:01Speaker 00

  You know, and I, I, I put this in a recent book that only 25% of people know what their purpose is.

• 32:07Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 32:07Speaker 00

  And so 75% of people are kind of wondering, not feeling like really in tune with what their calling is in life. And that leads to lack of motivation. That's going to affect things. But again, finding your purpose and living that out, huge for mitochondrial health.

• 32:20Gary Brecka?

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• 33:04Gary Brecka?

  Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast. And how do you, would you, and I know you're not a psychotherapist, but I mean, how do people begin to find their purpose? I mean, I found mine, but I've, I've sort of stumbled upon it. You know, it was an epiphany that I had that I'm spending my life predicting death. Yeah. And I've read tens of thousands of medical records. And I've been working with this model and I've, and I've actually followed these, you know, call them patients, clients. From when we did their initial mortality assessment through, and then we did a post mortality assessment because in the life insurance business, you get that data, you get day, date, time, location and cause of death. Yeah.

• 33:49Gary Brecka?

  Because they need to file a death claim. And then you would go back into the predictive analytics and say, how much of what we predicted was true? Did they die of cardiovascular disease? Did they die of, you know, muscle system organ failure, this autoimmune condition? You know, and we, and it was, was that prediction correct? And I was very desensitized to that. And when I had this spiritual epiphany and, and decided I wanted to move into helping people live healthier lives and happier lives, longer lives. I mean, for me, I've, that was a massive spiritual revolution. I shed the old Gary and I, and I brought in the new and I've never looked back. But I don't know that most people will have those.

• 34:34Gary Brecka?

  Epiphanistic moments, you know, sometimes I tell people, well, if you don't know what your purpose is, maybe you can find your purpose in your pain.

• 34:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's right.

• 34:42Gary Brecka?

  You know, um, some of the most passionate, purpose-driven people, impactful people I've ever met have been, have overcome an addiction, overcome a really rough relationship, have overcome, you know, immense financial constraints and bankruptcies, and then they, they worked their way out of that, and now they're giving that back to the world. But for people that are unclear.

• 35:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:05Gary Brecka?

  What, what are some of the ways that you suggest that they narrow in on that?

• 35:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think there's a few ideas here. Now, there, there's a practical tool called ikigai, and this is used in, in, in Japanese culture for finding what purpose is.

• 35:17Gary Brecka?

  Did you always give me like words I've never heard?

• 35:19Speaker 00

  Well, well. Yeah, so, but, but here's, here's what it is. It's their word for purpose.

• 35:24Gary Brecka?

  It's an English podcast, by the way. Do we gotta speak English on here?

• 35:27Speaker 00

  So, so what it is, is number one, and, and everybody could write this down. This is such a great exercise. What, what are your gifts? What are those gifts you have? Is it hospitality? Is it serving others? Is it health? Is it mentorship? But what, what, what is, what are those gifts you have? Number two, what do you love to do? Like, what really brings you a sense of joy where you kind of get lost in things and, and lose time doing it? That's, that's, that's a second component. Number three is, what, what are some opportunities that may lay before you, you know, thinking about that? And then the fourth, and this isn't always included, but sometimes, uh, they would include, what can you, uh, make a living doing? What, what, what can, what, what can you, you know, uh, what, what can be tied to that?

• 36:12Gary Brecka?

  Monetize it.

• 36:12Speaker 00

  Monetize it, yeah. And so, and that's sometimes included, not always within that, that exercise. And I'll say this as well. Here's another example of, of I think what gives me a sense of purpose. So, um, I know we were talking about this earlier, Charlie Kirk passing, and I know that I've so appreciated your, your, your posts and, and all that you've posted there. I mean, I, I was, um, I mean, I just cried. I cried yesterday because just, just seeing that, because there's this picture of him with his two daughters. And they're the same age as my kids right now. I, he had, I think a two and five year old. I, I have a two and five year old. And I just thought, wow, like, you know, there, there's a proverb. It reminds me of in the Bible and Solomon says, Lord, teach me to number my days that I may gain

• 36:56Speaker 00

  a heart of wisdom. Lord, teach me to count every moment precious. And so, you know, for me, purpose as a dad, you want to go as deep and meaningful as possible with your purpose. So for some people, you know, one of the greatest tragedies in the entire world today, and this is very high in the United States is kids that grow up without a parent, right? It could be, it could be a father. I mean, fatherlessness.

• 37:19Gary Brecka?

  Oh, fatherlessness. It's astounding, the statistics, incarceration rates, recidivism rates. I mean, I mean, it's incredible.

• 37:27Speaker 00

  It is. And when you look at those statistics, also how it impacts health negatively is very, very extreme. In fact, it's one of the greatest things that could make you sick and deal with things like autoimmune disease is actually not having a father there. And so when you look at those, those stats, you realize how important that is. And so if you realize, and, and, but a lot of fathers haven't fully grasped this. There are some fathers who think, well, I'm a father if I just impregnate a woman and then that's it. And then even if I never show up again, that makes you a father. There are other fathers, and I had an amazing dad like this, like my dad, um, I had such a good dad. My dad like provided for our family. He was like a great disciplinarian, like my dad never missed.

• 38:08Speaker 00

  I, I played over a thousand, you know, I played basketball and soccer and whatever. I mean, thousands of games. And my, I never remember my dad missing a single one. And so.

• 38:18Gary Brecka?

  That's a blessing, man. That is a true blessing. I did the same for my kids, but it's, it's just such a blessing.

• 38:24Speaker 00

  It is. And I'm not saying that that's the standard everybody has to go, go with, but like that. But my dad was just there and that meant so much. But I think if, if you're going to the greatest depths of what it means to be a father, I think one is understanding your kids are going to live for eternity. Eternity, what a great responsibility you have of raising kids up, not just now, but impacting their eternity and their kids and their kids and helping them do a couple of things. One, Growing character, more kind, more loving, more wise. And then also finding that unique gift they have, that God given gift and helping them cultivate that and refine that and grow in that. And then if you, because this is how people have the greatest impact in the world. The two things, they grow in character and they grow

• 39:09Speaker 00

  in their unique gift. That's how people have the greatest impact. Think about Michelangelo. He was an incredibly spiritual person, an amazing Christian person. And, and so he had a great amount of character, but with that, he had the great, he took his gift to the highest level possible with that level of excellence. And so I think as a father, for me, if I have this realization and sense of purpose of God has called me to raise up two other human beings that are divine beings that are going to live for eternity and helping them grow in their character and find their gifts. You know, Mother Teresa has this quote, and she said, "If you want to change the world, go home and love your family." And it's part of that idea there. So I think if people are going to find a real sense of purpose, you want to attach a greater level of meaning to what you do. It's not just that you're a mom or daughter, even that you're a doctor, a health practitioner, or

• 39:53Speaker 00

  an influencer. It's the fact that you can change the trajectory of somebody's eternity. And so I think the more that we can tap into these spiritual truths, because today, like, and I'm seeing this growing more and more, like, people want to hear about this message. They want to, people are seeking out faith more than ever before. But I think we went through this period of time where the world was very cold and we kind of took spirituality out of everything and the meaning versus no, if you want to live your best life possible, you have to attach a great level of meaning to all, to everything you do.

• 40:25Gary Brecka?

  No, I love that. I mean, it's, it's so funny how sometimes we, we're wandering around and we don't actually realize that, you know, our purpose is all around us. I mean, that's a great quote from Mother Teresa, you know, "If you want to impact the world, go home and love your family."

• 40:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 40:39Gary Brecka?

  And sometimes, like you say, you know, we, we, we're so busy and we knew in the mortality space, and I've talked about this a lot, that if you wanted to cut a human being's life expectancy in half, and I mean in half, at any age. Put them in isolation.

• 40:56Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 40:57Gary Brecka?

  Isolation was one of the most impactful, what we call comorbidities. So if we put this into a probabilistic model, it would aggravate and accelerate every other condition that they had.

• 41:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:09Gary Brecka?

  And it would actually bring new disease etiological processes from their future into their present, and it would accelerate the mortality curve. And isolation doesn't mean you're in solitary confinement, but isolation is like broken heart syndrome, you know, you 50, 60 year marriages and one spouse passes, I mean, one spouse passes and one is now home alone.

• 41:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:33Gary Brecka?

  And that's instant isolation. We would see the same thing in the elderly when they lost pets. You know, so it's fascinating how, when you talk about loving your family, it's fascinating how impactful isolation can be. And I, as I start to process that, I realize we're more isolated than ever.

• 41:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:53Gary Brecka?

  Because we think, we think of connection as, you know, our iPhone.

• 41:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:57Gary Brecka?

  Right? It's not connection, it's just entertainment. It's actually not connection, it's distraction.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 42:02Gary Brecka?

  You know, there's, there is no element of humanity there. And I think that that's, you know, one of the underlying root causes of these parabolic rises in autoimmune and, and the state of chronic disease. But before we get lost in that.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, I did want to say, when it comes to mitochondrial health, though, so, so one, I've brought up some more of these, I guess, spiritual mindset topics, because I think it's the biggest thing people forget, but I do think we want to do everything we can to both practice these traditional ideas and these more cutting edge concepts that modern day science has brought us, you know? You know, mitochondrial health wise as well, I mean, red light therapy is amazing.

• 42:48Gary Brecka?

  Ah, huge.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  You know, I mean, so, so fantastic.

• 42:50Gary Brecka?

  I am such a huge fan of red light therapy, and I get beat up for it all the time. I mean, and I don't even sell red light beds anymore. I mean, I don't sell red light anything right now. I use it every day.

• 42:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:59Gary Brecka?

  I am such a fan. You know, and back to the mitochondria, you know, it's red. Light, as far as I know, is is one of the only ways to dissociate mitochondrial nitric oxide.

• 43:12Speaker 00

  It's amazing.

• 43:12Gary Brecka?

  From cytochrome c oxidase and have this oxygen dock there and upstage the mitochondria.

• 43:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 43:18Gary Brecka?

  Just on that benefit alone.

• 43:19Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, listen, here's the reality. And one, you've been such a great pioneer and leader for people in helping them understand and gain access to. Again, we use the term biohacking. I would almost call it nature hacking. I think part of the.

• 43:36Gary Brecka?

  It's a great term. I agree with you.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think part of what, so here's the thing. You should get a lot of sunshine. It's the best thing for you. It's even better than a red light bed for the most part.

• 43:46Gary Brecka?

  Amen.

• 43:47Speaker 00

  But you can't be in it every day year round. Some people like my wife grew up in Minnesota. I have friends in Canada. It's like, you can't get that year round. If you can't get out in the direct sunlight, which is free, which you should do as much as possible. People aren't doing it near enough. Because the other thing is when you're getting the sun, you're not only getting red light, you're getting blue and green and violet. Like you're getting all these other forms of light. That actually have differing benefits where red light might be more active towards mitochondria. Blue light is actually highly anti-inflammatory. So there are some different types of light you're getting from the sun. You're not getting from a red light bed. So lay out, do it for free. Gary talks about just free challenges on all this stuff. So do that.

• 44:26Speaker 00

  But red light therapy is absolutely incredible. And it's another similar thing where it's like hyperbaric oxygen therapy is incredible.

• 44:36Speaker 00

  But box breathing and oxygenating your body that way, that's amazing. That's free as well. I think most biohacking. It's they're taking an element of nature and getting it in sort of a convenient way because we're so deficient. That's why I think people see such great benefits of red light therapy. It's because we get such little sunshine.

• 44:56Gary Brecka?

  I agree.

• 44:57Speaker 00

  So, yeah.

• 44:58Gary Brecka?

  And you know, the rabbit hole that I'm down lately with red light therapy is, so we know about the benefits of cytochrome c oxidase and this dissociation of mitochondrial nitric oxide. And, you know, anytime you can get more oxygen into the mitochondria and get more ATP from a cycle of the Krebs cycle, the better. For cellular energy. Anyway, but what's fascinating is, you know, when you look at our circulatory system and realize that. The heart only circulates 30% of the blood in the body. So 70% of our circulation is microvascular. It's venules, capillaries. What are we doing to care? You know, and if you think we got 63,000 miles of blood vessels. What are we 70% of 63,000? I'm not going to do that.

• 45:42Gary Brecka?

  Some 442,000 miles of blood vessel are microvascular. What are we doing to cater for that part of our circulatory system? Because by the way, this is what's feeding our eyes and our brain and our liver and our lungs and our pancreas and our kidneys. I mean, do you think about how small capillaries have to be to bring gases to the lung? Not bleed fluid into the lung and bring gases back, you know, to tissues. I mean, this is very small vasculature.

• 46:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:10Gary Brecka?

  Red light really caters to that 70% of the circulatory system. It can actually restore vascular laxity to these, you know, can restore vasomotor and vasomotion activity. So yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm just a huge fan.

• 46:25Speaker 00

  Well, what's interesting is the color of light will tell you the benefit. Like red light is most benefit for the cardiovascular system and circulation in those areas. Blue light is most beneficial for hormonal system, green light for the detoxification system. And so like, it's crazy. Kind of there's even a color coding there. But yeah, I mean, there, there are so many people today that are circulatory deficient. I mean, and, and again, this is why nitric oxide, red light therapy, beet juice. I mean, these sort of things are incredible.

• 46:55Gary Brecka?

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• 47:35Gary Brecka?

  That's A I O N gear.com and you can use code ULTIMATE for 10% off and start training smarter today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. So I do want to go down the detox bandwagon. One of the things I appreciate that you talk about a lot is parasite education.

• 47:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:54Gary Brecka?

  And, and the reason why I appreciate that is because parasites don't show up on your labs. The effects of it may, or may not.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:04Gary Brecka?

  Unless you're doing very specific labs, but I'm saying on a routine blood panel, hormones, you know, thyroid, you know, your lipid panel, CBC, CMP, you're not going to catch these things. And what I see in the community that I have a VIP community where I'm very interactive with, and I would say as a broad complaint, I guess, for lack of better words, there's a lot of people that have great labs and feel awful.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:35Gary Brecka?

  And they are tired of being told over and over and over again, your labs are fine. Your labs are perfect. It's all in your head. Get stress out of your life. Or these just big blanket dismissal, you know, diagnoses. You're one of the few people out there talking about the impact of parasites, impact of mold and mycotoxins. And I don't want to scare everybody, but we all have parasites.

• 49:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, we do. We all have cancer cells. We all have.

• 49:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, CTCs.

• 49:04Speaker 00

  We do. We do.

• 49:05Gary Brecka?

  So if someone falls into that category of my labs are great and I just don't feel good. I know something's wrong. I've got brain fog. I've got poor focus and concentration. I wake up feeling like a lead balloon in the morning. You know, I have days where I have crushing fatigue. You know, all of those things that these little bugs cause on the parasite side, where do they start and how do we get rid of parasites?

• 49:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so, so first off, I think, and you brought this up earlier. One of the greatest things making people sick today, and most every person in longevity would agree with this, is this sort of immunodeficiency. And this is where your immune system is tacked. You're building up these immunosincent cells in our immune system sick. I think that when I, when I, in order to address that and find that and find the cause of that, let me, let me go to the blood work thing first. You and I have both experienced this. I have had thousands of people come into me saying, I feel awful, but my blood work is normal.

• 50:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 50:02Speaker 00

  And then doctors.

• 50:04Gary Brecka?

  Thousands.

• 50:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, and doctors will say oftentimes, it's all in your head, you're fine. Here's the thing about a lot of lab work, though, it might look at what's in your blood, but it doesn't look at what's going on inside your cell. It doesn't go and look at what's going on in every organ system. So it's, I mean, you're only, you're only seeing a snapshot at one point in time, not what's going on in terms of trends on a regular basis. So, so to your point, I think that, and then a lot of the lab tests, I want to necessarily say outdated, but they're not enough. I mean, there are a lot of other things we should be looking at there.

• 50:36Gary Brecka?

  Very, very basic.

• 50:37Speaker 00

  And so when it comes to these microbial overgrowth, the first thing that people are getting wrong, whether it be with a parasite, or long COVID, or Lyme disease, or mold, is that the first thing they try and do is go and kill the infection. That's the first thing they try and do. And oftentimes, it's with an antibiotic drug. That is today statistically, the most common thing that people are taking.

• 51:00Gary Brecka?

  Oxycycline for Lyme disease, for example.

• 51:02Speaker 00

  Exactly, exactly. And, but the thing is, is that I don't think that you got a parasite necessarily. Now, some people are going to get it because maybe they're on a mission trip, they're on a vacation in Cancun, Mexico, okay? And you ate something and you got infection. That can happen. But one of the bigger ways is.

• 51:19Gary Brecka?

  By the way, I'm going to Cancun in a few weeks. Can we pick another place to get a parasite?

• 51:23Speaker 00

  Here's what I'll say.

• 51:24Gary Brecka?

  Costa Rica.

• 51:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:25Gary Brecka?

  Dominican.

• 51:27Speaker 00

  Well.

• 51:28Gary Brecka?

  Oh, you're freaking me out.

• 51:29Speaker 00

  By the way, I will say, we both love Cancun. We got one of our favorite clinics, Rehealth there, so it's.

• 51:33Gary Brecka?

  Okay, so if you get a parasite, you can go to Rehealth.

• 51:35Speaker 00

  I, I, exactly. I go regularly, so I love Cancun.

• 51:39Gary Brecka?

  So.

• 51:39Speaker 00

  But, but you know, I think for most people, they actually get the infection and it spreads because their immune system is depleted to start with. I think if, if most people's immune systems were strong and bolstered enough, they would have the infection come in and their immune system would kill it. They would kill the parasites. It would, and, but that's not happening. And so the first thing people need to do if they have a parasitic infection, or any infection, Lyme, long COVID, they need to strengthen their immune system, get more rest, spend more time in the sun. Spend more time with community and then take herbals and eat foods that are immune strengthening, not the ones that are killing things, but that are strengthening your own immune system. And then your immune system won't kill the infection in part.

• 52:24Speaker 00

  So this is where I really like an herb like astragalus. I love reishi mushroom. I like, like ashwagandha to a degree. These things are very, very building over time of the immune system. And then also taking things to just get out of the fight or flight state. Everything from skull cap to higher doses of magnesium to, you know, magnolia, like the things that kind of help lower fight or flight, strengthen up your body's mitochondria. And then your body can kill a lot of it itself. Now, if you have a severe infection, like a severe parenthetic infection, you're going to want to take some anti-parasitic herbs.

• 53:02Gary Brecka?

  Anti-parasitic herbs, but not, you're not a big fan of like ivermectin?

• 53:07Speaker 00

  I'd actually be okay with that in a lot of cases. Yeah, I think ivermectin, listen, if somebody's a very severe, here's what I have a problem with sometimes. And I did a whole episode on this on my podcast a few weeks back. And that is people are taking like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine like they're vitamins, like, like long-term, listen, no, they're not vitamins. They're medications that are great if you have a very specific condition. Okay, but if you don't, there's other things you should be taking, not those things. But oh yeah, I absolutely believe if you have a parasitic infection and you know it's severe, ivermectin is great. I'll tell you something. My cousin, he's a, he's a pastor and he's a functional medicine practitioner.

• 53:51Speaker 00

  He's been doing mission trips to Pakistan and India for the past 25 years. He was diagnosed about a year ago with glioblastoma. And glioblastoma, you know this from the, I mean, your chance of living is one, is less than 1%.

• 54:08Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 54:09Speaker 00

  Over five years, it's like, it's almost, it's like one in 10,000. I mean, it's, it's so low. He's a year now, going strong, just read it as scans, markers are perfect, feels amazing. He relieves, he got, and glioblastoma is one of the most severe forms of a brain tumor.

• 54:27Gary Brecka?

  And it's inoperable and it's aggressive.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  Very good, exactly. And he, they believe that he got it because of all these mission trips he went on. He had parasites. And there and I didn't know this until I started doing the research to because I started working on a program with some other docs to a program for him to heal. And I didn't realize that one of the greatest causes of cancer today is co infections.

• 54:52Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 54:53Speaker 00

  Like parasites. I mean, if you get a parasitic infection, your chance of getting cancer, I mean, it's it's worse than eating glyphosate. It's worse. I mean, it is one of the it is one of the worst things that could happen. And so I became very aware of this, but he took ivermectin and we had him do a lot of these herbals we're talking about. But the herbals that are probably the most effective are black walnut and wormwood.

• 55:14Gary Brecka?

  Black walnut and wormwood.

• 55:15Speaker 00

  And wormwood tastes as bad as it sounds. It is terrible. I mean, but they're very bitter and different flavors tend to have compounds that do certain things in the body. But the flavor of bitter is very tends to be a very antiviral. So think about oregano as well, or some of those things that have a bitterness.

• 55:35Gary Brecka?

  And how do you take these? Do you come in powder form? Do you take them in their raw form?

• 55:39Speaker 00

  I typically have people do capsules or tinctures of of black walnut and wormwood. And there are others that are great, too. But those are the two most commonly recommended and prescribed by holistic practitioners for parasitic infections. And then along with that ivermectin. Now, those are things you don't want to be on long term. It's anywhere from typically a two week cycle to a six week cycle of those. And then with that, you oftentimes want to do binders. Now, a lot of people like activated charcoal. I'm not as big a fan of that. I'm in a short term, I think it's great. Like if I have somebody having the cervi fillings removed or a two week cleanse, I'll have them do that. And I think it's fantastic. But I think if you're going to do something a little more long term, I really like clay. I really like chlorella.

• 56:19Gary Brecka?

  I guess silica clay, chlorella.

• 56:21Speaker 00

  Exactly. I like pectin, like citrus pectin. So those are.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  And zeolites are great, too. And then very high dose probiotics. A lot of people do a trillion a day.

• 56:31Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 56:31Speaker 00

  Of probiotics, especially post post treating. But if you follow that right process of strengthen, kill and bind. And then, of course, with that infrared sauna sweating is just absolutely amazing to support the process. But you have helped a lot of people. Get rid of and kill parasitic infections, long COVID, these, these different types of infections. But a lot of people don't do the right process. It's like, I'm going to take one supplement or I'm going to take just an antibiotic. And then they never fully get rid of the infection.

• 57:01Gary Brecka?

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• 57:42Gary Brecka?

  head to bioptimizers.com and use the code ULTIMATE to save on magnesium breakthrough. Trust me, your body will thank you. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. And you know, Lyme is in particular, which for some reason is on the rise, like a parabolic rise.

• 58:00Speaker 00

  It was crazy this year, the amount of ticks. Crazy.

• 58:02Gary Brecka?

  Crazy. Yeah. I mean, I have quite a few clients that are going through Lyme protocols with me. But you know, the interesting thing about Lyme is it's not usually just the viral infection. You have co-infections, you know, the parasitic infection and the bacterial infection. And if you're not testing for the Lyme co-infections, the Borrelia burgrenosis, like some of these co-infections that you can get at the same time that you get the Lyme virus. And then Lyme is, seems to be particularly tricky, you know, it sort of retreats or hides in the dorsal root ganglion. It can have these undulating periods where it comes back. So I wonder if we should, we could talk about Lyme for a few minutes.

• 58:43Gary Brecka?

  Because you know, the first line defense is 21 days doxycycline and you're done. Don't worry about it.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 58:49Gary Brecka?

  And I think the sad thing about that is that it works for that period of time. Because people feel horrible because they got the Lyme infection. They take the doxycycline. They're like, oh, feel great. That's over. And, but now the parasitic infection, the bacterial co-infection. So I wonder if we might talk about that.

• 59:12Speaker 00

  Well, the first thing that happened is people skipped a step. They didn't strengthen. You know, Lyme overcame your butt. You know, this is years ago. My whole family, like my, my, my immediate family, like my sister, my brother, my dad, my mom. We all took a, we, we, and we did a, this is like ultra powered microscope and did test it. See if we had Lyme.

• 59:33Speaker 00

  I'm the only person in my family that didn't show up. And all four of my fam, my, my immediate family members had, had Lyme disease. What was weird is, is that.

• 59:42Gary Brecka?

  And you just test by the antibodies?

• 59:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 59:45Gary Brecka?

  Okay. So you look for Lyme.

• 59:46Speaker 00

  And so, but, but they, uh, but none of them had symptoms. But my sister had, uh, my brother had Hashimoto's, my mom, you know, like, like there were other symptoms, but not like these common symptoms that you would see with like the joint pain and some of the things you'd see of, of Lyme. A, a lot of people have Lyme, but if your immune system is strong enough, you'll, you will have no symptoms. So my point there is, is that you do need to take something to help kill Lyme. But more importantly, you need to strengthen your own system. So your, um, your own immune system can keep Lyme and cancer and all the other co-infections at bay. There's another study that was really interesting. They said, if you get long COVID, that viral infection, it activates these other co-infections like Lyme disease.

• 1:00:29Speaker 00

  Like your chance of you got long COVID, your chance of expressing Lyme, uh, and other types of infections.

• 1:00:35Gary Brecka?

  If it was dormant, for example.

• 1:00:36Speaker 00

  That's right. If it was dormant, it's like waking it up. And so, so that's an issue too. But when it comes to Lyme, what I, what I like to do specifically is I like to do a lot of a stra. Well, one, let me go to diet. Most people don't, we try and treat it all with supplements and not with diet. I really want to do more of a traditional diet based on like Weston A. Price Foundation. It's a lot of soups. It'd be a Chinese medicine diet, similar to what you'd find in the Bible too. But it's a lot of soups. It's meat, it's vegetables. That's the primary part of the diet. Then again, I like pomegranates. I like berries. If that's the basis of your diet, maybe there's some sweet potato there as well. But, but that's the basis of the diet. And then from there, I actually, I do think that working on your emotional, mental health is really important there.

• 1:01:21Speaker 00

  And then from a supplement standpoint for building, I like astragalus and Shisandra. Those are.

• 1:01:26Gary Brecka?

  Astragalus?

• 1:01:27Speaker 00

  And Shisandra.

• 1:01:28Gary Brecka?

  Shisandra.

• 1:01:28Speaker 00

  Shisandra is a berry that's used in Japanese medicine and Asian medicine that, uh, oftentimes it's, it's the main. Supplement they recommend for for mono nucleosis, if somebody has mono, but it's extremely immune boosting. Same with astragalus. So doing high doses of that, high doses of probiotics and then a lot of vitamin D and zinc. And so really bolstering up and strengthening your own immune system. And then from there, there are supplements to take to fight Lyme, like one called Japanese knotweed. That's really high in resveratrol. And then you've got cat's claws popular and andrographis would be another one.

• 1:02:11Speaker 00

  But, but yeah, I mean, and those are probably some of the best. And then, but that's what I would do. And then, and then take your time, you know, and do a lot of the other biohacking things you talked about. I really think deep breathing and red light therapy are so, so good.

• 1:02:23Gary Brecka?

  Deep breathing, red light therapy, sauna.

• 1:02:25Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:02:25Gary Brecka?

  Hydrogen nanobaths. There's a very interesting blood filtration that I'm actually going down to do on the 19th of this month, September. You know, I did a podcast with Dr. Ming Chala and he, he's a nephrologist. Was an ICU septic specialist and modified a dialysis type filter to filter out CTCs, circulating tumor cells, viral pathogens, all kinds of things, glyphosate, even bisphenols, microplastics.

• 1:02:58Speaker 00

  Wow. I saw you doing plasma exchange. I saw you doing that, I think in New York, somewhere.

• 1:03:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I did it once in LA and I did it once in, in New York.

• 1:03:07Speaker 00

  How did you, how did you feel after that? Did you?

• 1:03:09Gary Brecka?

  I was tired that day. The first time I did it, I, it was in LA.

• 1:03:15Gary Brecka?

  At Dr. Darshan Chow's clinic, Next Health. And amazing clinic, by the way. And I went in and, and I did it. My wife was so freaked out because I held up that bag.

• 1:03:28Gary Brecka?

  I feel like you need that in your body. It's like two liters. You know, that yellowy fluid. And then I wish I'd sent that to the lab to see what, what, what was in it. But in any case, they replace it with albumin, sterile albumin. And I was flying 16 hours to Dubai. So I literally went from the Next Health clinic to the plane and it was perfect because I slept like nine hours. Then when I woke up, I felt like the light switches came on. Like I. Took a limitless pill. I was eating my wife's face and she's like, I didn't sleep on the plane. You need to shut up. I'm like, I'm so happy to be here. Look at the ocean. There's a palm tree.

• 1:04:09Gary Brecka?

  So we got all that building. It's like Captain Chatty. I was just on fire. I felt amazing the next day. The second time I did it, I felt a little fatigued for, for two full days. And then the third day I kind of had that little spike. So I think different people have different results. But you know, I'm a big fan of trying to remove all of these things that are just distracting our immune system. You know, if we can get things like heavy metals and parasites and viruses and glyphosate and forever chemicals. I mean, to the extent that we can get those things out of the body, there's less for, for the immune system to do. So.

• 1:04:49Speaker 00

  Totally. Yeah. And your body can spend that time now doing other things, regenerating, healing, you know, cleaning up the other senescent cells, those things out of your body. I agree. You know, another thing I do like for almost all infected, I like it for mold the best, but I like it for Lyme is ozone. A lot of ozone therapy. It's so good.

• 1:05:07Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. I mean, I actually have a ho cat machine in my house. I have a transdermal.

• 1:05:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, you, you've.

• 1:05:11Gary Brecka?

  Oh, you got one after I got it too.

• 1:05:12Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. You have the greatest, uh, you know, sort of biohacking setup I've ever seen. It's pretty amazing.

• 1:05:18Gary Brecka?

  It's pretty amazing. That's a really big compliment. Cause I remember you called me and you're like, where'd you get the machine? You, you called me when you saw my hybrid bear too.

• 1:05:25Speaker 00

  Which is all, I mean, amazing too.

• 1:05:28Gary Brecka?

  So where do you fall in the world of peptides?

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:34Gary Brecka?

  Would you ever use a peptide like a thymus and alpha or something to help boost the immune system? Do you, do you?

• 1:05:40Speaker 00

  I, I'm a huge fan of peptides. A huge fan. Now, now here, here's, here's what I will say. I tend to be a more, I'm trying to think the right word for a holist or naturalist in terms of what my understandings are. And this is from looking at medical literature and combining that. I, I always try and do this and I, I really try and have, what is the medical literature say? What is the ancient? Medicine, say, and combine those two and take the greatest sort of ideas from, from those. But, but peptide therapy, if you want to go back to the original peptide therapy, it was taking glandulars and organs. I mean, that's where they're found in the highest levels in the body. And so thymus and alpha one, like before we had thymus, thymus and or even TB 500, that's

• 1:06:23Speaker 00

  from the thymus gland. And so one of the oldest cancer protocols is taking thymus gland in order to fight cancer because of all of what it does.

• 1:06:32Gary Brecka?

  Boosting your immune system.

• 1:06:33Speaker 00

  Exactly. And, and you can go back to Gerson therapy. It's so funny. This was left out in like the nineties and two thousands. The original Gerson therapy was not just juice vegetables. It was raw liver. And, and liver is loaded with peptides. And so if people want to do the most food based form of peptides, eat organs and glandulars. You know, there's this great meat brand called Forces of Nature. They have liver and heart in their meat. You really don't taste it at all. So, so getting or, or take.

• 1:07:03Gary Brecka?

  They call them organ blends. Yeah.

• 1:07:04Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. The organ blends, like getting more liver and heart in these organs that as a food based supplement or actual food, that's going to give you your greatest level of peptides overall. However, there are a lot of ways where regular peptides, especially the BPC 157, TB 500, GHK, say, you as an Ed's that sort of trinity blend there for tissue regeneration.

• 1:07:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Speaker 00

  That's so impactful. You know, when I went through my.

• 1:07:30Gary Brecka?

  I have seen those work miracles in people legitimately.

• 1:07:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:34Gary Brecka?

  I've seen it work miracles.

• 1:07:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. You know, when I, when I had my, uh, my spinal infection and walked for a year and I'm just going on, that was three years ago. I, uh, I needed, I was just desperate for healing. And the two things that moved the needle the most, one I mentioned was stem cell therapy. But the other thing where, where night and day, two weeks later was like, wow, I, I, I feel and can tell my tissues have literally regenerated. Was after taking BPC157, TB500, and the GHKCU, that blend. I could not believe the pain reduction, the my mobility improved. And so I'm a big fan. I will say there's this sort of old quote and it's the dose determines the medicine or the poison. So the dosage, I think, is important for certain peptides.

• 1:08:19Speaker 00

  This is where the GLP-1.

• 1:08:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:21Speaker 00

  Like the Ozempic is an example. The micro dosing, I guess I don't really have much of a problem with that.

• 1:08:26Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 00

  But the high dosing, we know, causes a high level of gastroparesis. That's going to lead to poor nutrient absorption, increased risk of SIBO, just nutritional deficiencies.

• 1:08:37Gary Brecka?

  Dependency, tachypnea.

• 1:08:39Speaker 00

  And the amount of muscle loss is absolutely insane. I saw a quote from a researcher. He said, "The amount of muscle loss the average person has from taking Ozempic is the equivalent of aging yourself 20 years, making yourself 20 years older."

• 1:08:54Gary Brecka?

  Like giving yourself sarcopenia.

• 1:08:56Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:08:56Gary Brecka?

  Accelerated sarcopenia.

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  Yeah. So you are making yourself sick. So again, that's actually a peptide. There's a lot of peptides people don't realize are peptides.

• 1:09:03Gary Brecka?

  Insulin is a peptide.

• 1:09:04Speaker 00

  Exactly. You're right. Insulin's a peptide. Creatine is a tripeptide. Glutathion is a tripeptide. So peptides are the future of medicine. We're going to continue to see this absolutely grow like crazy over the next five years. And like even BPC157, that is the peptide found in your duodenum, stomach lining, and stomach acid.

• 1:09:27Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:27Speaker 00

  And so, and if you think about what it does, it helps break down things in order to make them more absorbable by the body. So there are, it protects your body. It's there for protection. So I'm a huge fan of peptides. And we're going to see this whole group called bioregulators.

• 1:09:44Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:09:44Speaker 00

  Explode in the future. And this is where you take typically the highest, you take peptides from organs. They're made synthetically. And then you, but in a higher concentrations and you take those for healing organs. So Livigene heals the liver, Cardiolipin heals the heart. So.

• 1:10:01Gary Brecka?

  So these are, these are organ derived peptides to support that organ's function, which is. PPC is a gastric pentadecap.

• 1:10:09Speaker 00

  It's just like that.

• 1:10:10Gary Brecka?

  And I think, you know, we've, we've used it to heal and seal the gut. I, I, I take the peptide patches. I have this nagging bicep tendon tear.

• 1:10:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Gary Brecka?

  That I've just been nursing forever. And I kid you not, three, I did a Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 12 hour patch on, on a Monday, 12 hours on Wednesday, 12 hours on Friday. This is an N of one. So there's no clinical study behind this, but, but, um, and by early in the next week, for the first time, full range of motion and completely pain free. And it was just BBC, NAD and GHKCU.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  It, it's incredible. You know, I, I know, I, I feel like there's already just so much anecdotal evidence on the benefits of those specific peptides we're talking about for tissue regeneration, pain reduction and healing. But I think we're going to see these in the future really for like women's hormones. Like, like I'm working with, uh, I'm actually working on a, um, with a scientist on peptides right now for, for women's hormones. So we're going to do one that's a thyroid peptide, adrenal peptide, ovary peptide. And then one called epitalin and penilion, and those are for brain.

• 1:11:22Gary Brecka?

  Telomerase. Aren't they telomerase peptides?

• 1:11:25Speaker 00

  Epitalin is, yeah.

• 1:11:26Gary Brecka?

  The epitalin.

• 1:11:27Speaker 00

  And so, um, but, but these, these peptides, so we're going to see it for women's hormones, for testosterone. We know there's already a lot for testosterone actually, but, but, uh, we're going to continue to see them for autoimmune disease, like thymus and alpha one has great research for lowering thyroid antibodies for Hashimoto's rheumatoid arthritis.

• 1:11:44Gary Brecka?

  Incredible.

• 1:11:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. So, so, yeah, I'm, I'm absolutely on the peptide.

• 1:11:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm very much on the peptide bandwagon too, because, you know, I, I feel like broadly you could put, um, most things into one of two categories, you know, metabolites are things the body recognizes. We have enzymes for, we have waste elimination pathways for. So, you know, you eat a piece of chicken, the chicken gets broken down, that protein gets broken down to the amino acids, the amino acids essentially become other tissues or build other proteins. But, but, and then whatever that waste is from that methylation process. The body can get rid of, so we can metabolize them and then get rid of the waste. And then there are other things that the body doesn't have enzymes for, doesn't recognize, cannot eliminate the waste, things like forever chemicals.

• 1:12:29Gary Brecka?

  And I think this is a large part of the side effect theory in pharmaceuticals, because the body doesn't recognize these things. They're synthetic or they're chemical. So I agree with you. I think the threshold of safety is so high. And, you know, the barrier for, you know, positive outcomes is also so high. I think it's going to be the future.

• 1:12:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're very similar to what a vitamin and supplement would do. You know, a vitamin or mineral. I mean, it's something your body can use as a building block to create hormones or just to bring balance. And so I absolutely agree.

• 1:13:06Gary Brecka?

  I have a feeling too, that based on knowing you and our conversations, that your new book, The Bibliodiet, is going to be a lot about back to the basics.

• 1:13:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:13:19Gary Brecka?

  I haven't read it yet. I'm excited to read it. I hope that copy's for me.

• 1:13:22Speaker 00

  It is for you.

• 1:13:22Gary Brecka?

  Okay, good.

• 1:13:24Speaker 00

  It's for you there.

• 1:13:25Gary Brecka?

  You're not coming in, you're not getting out unless you give me that. But, so tell me about the Bibliodiet.

• 1:13:33Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, this is a diet that's based on the Bible. And I believe that the Bible is the greatest health book ever written. You mentioned it was the greatest wealth book ever written.

• 1:13:41Gary Brecka?

  I really think that.

• 1:13:42Speaker 00

  It's absolutely incredible. And myself and Jordan Rubin, we really spent a lot of time, I'm talking about years and years cumulatively saying, what does the Bible say about healing and longevity? And the subtitle there is.

• 1:13:57Gary Brecka?

  People lived a long time in the Bible, by the way.

• 1:13:59Speaker 00

  Oh.

• 1:14:00Gary Brecka?

  Very long time.

• 1:14:00Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. You know, when I started going through a sort of this microscope and lens of what does the Bible say about health, healing and longevity? You'll start to see it everywhere. I mean, absolutely everywhere from Genesis to the book of Revelation. Here's an example. You know, Genesis, when you're reading it and actually understanding the sort of plants that were grown there, they were growing something that we'd call a regenerative food forest. And so it wasn't like today, we plant annual plants that just grow for one season. You have to. Replant them and then till the soil, which harms the environment like soy, corn and wheat. It's fruit trees like apples and berry bushes and strawberries that cover the ground. And those are the sort of things. So Adam was tending to the garden, not replanting. He was just simply being an artist and what he was doing.

• 1:14:45Speaker 00

  And God called us to take the Garden of Eden in this one little area in the Middle East and spread it through the entire world. So that's in the book of Genesis, those first few chapters. You go to the last book of the Bible in Revelation, the second to last chapter, the last two chapters, Revelation 21 and 22, it says, "In the end, we will live in a garden city." Essentially, this entire planet will be a Garden of Eden. And so we know, like, as health practitioners and people that are into health, like, what an amazing calling to think about if everywhere you went, it's like a scene from Lord of the Rings. It's like, like, you're living in a garden city. So we know we're called to do that. And then we see this progression through the Bible in terms of what we should be eating and doing. We see with these perennial plants,

• 1:15:30Speaker 00

  these very nutrient-dense fruits and vegetables and nuts that were likely grown that they ate. And then we see afterwards, when they're cast from the garden, modern agriculture. So we see the growing of grains. After that, in Genesis 9, 3, after the flood in Noah, he says, "You can now eat the things that creep and crawl in the ground." After that, we see the laws of Moses, where God through Moses basically says, "Listen, there's a lot of these things you can eat, but there's some things like bottom feeders, like pork and shellfish and, you know, and a lot of these certain other types of animals, bats, reptiles, you don't eat those because they store toxins." And they don't eliminate very well. So when you're eating, that's the issue with pork today. By the way, I get, you know, I get some pushback on this one.

• 1:16:15Speaker 00

  Because like, I don't think that it's a sin to eat pork, okay? I don't think we're under that same law today, if there's people of faith listening to this. But I don't believe that all of a sudden it became healthy after Jesus was here on earth. It's still not healthy. In fact, we talked about parasites earlier. The number one carrier of parasites that we eat in America today that gives us parasites is pork. Pork, number one, trichinosis, it's by far. And so pork, they have digestive systems that store toxins that don't eliminate. So it's the worst meat you could eat for most people. Shrimp and shellfish would be the next one. They're so high in dioxins and chemicals and even, you know, even modern medicine has shown this in terms of the scientific literature. And then later on in the Bible,

• 1:17:00Speaker 00

  there's a Bible verse I love, and it's 1 Corinthians 1031, it says this, "Whether you eat, drink, or whatever you do, do all for the glory of God." And I think that's a big heart behind the biblio diet is eating because you have a purpose. You know, I used to have a, I had a, I took care of a lot of pastors in Nashville is where I had my practice and

• 1:17:21Gary Brecka?

  They're not the best eaters, by the way, not the ones I had knew growing up.

• 1:17:24Speaker 00

  Terrible. Well, listen, growing up, I was real involved in churches, like church potlucks in the Midwest.

• 1:17:29Gary Brecka?

  The worst.

• 1:17:30Speaker 00

  So bad.

• 1:17:31Gary Brecka?

  The coffee in the styrofoam cup and the donuts.

• 1:17:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's absolutely.

• 1:17:36Gary Brecka?

  I loved it when I was 10, though.

• 1:17:39Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:39Gary Brecka?

  It was like my favorite part of church was afterwards.

• 1:17:42Speaker 00

  I agree. I agree. But I think today, some churches are kind of waking, it's funny, there's a lot of pastors.

• 1:17:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, they need to read the biblio diet.

• 1:17:50Speaker 00

  Well, you know, oh, they do. You know, one pastor who read this and gave us great feedback was Craig Rochell. And he's a very fit pastor. You think about also, you know, Stephen Furt, there's a lot of these pastors, that they're actually much more into health, I think, than the previous generation. But all that being said, I think the biblio diet first and foremost is focusing on honoring God with your body and following the advice in the Bible. So it's staying away from pork and shellfish. You know, the most commonly referenced foods in the Bible, like the American Heart Association would just cringe at, you know, it's so anti-mainstream medicine, but the most common food referenced is red meat. There is actually, there's in, in the writings on Solomon, they, there's something called Solomon's provisions.

• 1:18:35Speaker 00

  People could check this out. And the number one thing he's eating is just all kinds of red meat, elk and beef and lamb and the wisest man ever lived. So red meat, extra virgin olive oil.

• 1:18:45Gary Brecka?

  Wisest man to ever live. Good.

• 1:18:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, red meat, extra virgin olive oil, dairy that's raw and organic, oftentimes fermented, or wouldn't last more than a, more than a day or so. And then you've got.

• 1:19:00Speaker 00

  A lot of fruits referenced, pomegranates and figs, along with olives are referenced the most in terms of fruit. And then you have sourdough bread, and then you have honey. And I will say that the foods referenced in the Bible, the form they were in during that day is so different than today. Because a lot of people might think, well, honey, that might have a lot of sugar. Or, well, salt is referenced a lot in the Bible. Bread and milk, those can't be healthy. But the bread they had was a very nutrient dense ancient grain, that they then would harvest, they would soak, lay out in the sun and let it dry. So it was sprouted. They then would mill it themselves, and then they would ferment it into sourdough bread.

• 1:19:39Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:39Speaker 00

  So it was a very, and the same thing with dairy today. I mean, dairy today is homogenized, it's pasteurized, it's got so many chemicals in it. If you're buying conventional, there was a study out of Spain.

• 1:19:50Gary Brecka?

  Carogens, all kinds of things.

• 1:19:51Speaker 00

  Oh, it's terrible. There's a study out of Spain that said, if you're drinking just the average milk you get off the shelf, has nearly 30 different medications and chemicals in it. One of them that was very high in was estradiol, which is going to cause, you know, a lot of these young girls are hitting menstruation so early. You know, a lot of men are testosterone levels low, and it's in part due to all these hormones in our milk and meat supply. But, but you know, ancient dairy was super high in probiotics, minerals, fat, soluble vitamins. And, and then honey was used as a form of natural medicine. Now, proverbs are clear, like eat a little, not too much.

• 1:20:27Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:20:27Speaker 00

  Is, is in there as well. But yeah, the Bible really walks through, here's what to eat, has principles on fasting, which are absolutely incredible, using essential oils, herbs are referenced, saffron is referenced in the Bible for

• 1:20:40Gary Brecka?

  Oh, saffron, I love, yeah.

• 1:20:41Speaker 00

  Amazing for, for brain and mood. So, so yeah, we went through and short, created a book that really dives deep into

• 1:20:47Gary Brecka?

  You don't need much saffron either, yeah.

• 1:20:49Speaker 00

  Just a little, yeah.

• 1:20:50Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. I mean, my wife and I get the, this, we have a friend that gives us this Iranian saffron. It comes from, comes from Iran. It comes in this little thin dish. It is so retarded expensive.

• 1:21:03Speaker 00

  Oh, it's crazy.

• 1:21:05Gary Brecka?

  It's like the size of a CD, not much thicker. There's not a lot of saffron in there, but you really don't need much, you know?

• 1:21:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, the dosage that the main study is, is like 88 milligrams. So it's very, very, I mean, compared to a thousand of like turmeric.

• 1:21:18Gary Brecka?

  So it's. Yeah. And it's one of those things, I, I knew nothing about saffron. And he went on this long diatribe about how it's harvested. But I mean, it's, I guess the one little petal, not petal, but stalk inside the flower. And they literally go in there and pluck it out. So when you see this jar full of all of these little fibers, those were plucked one by one by one from, you know, giant fields of saffron. So now I were like, really, I really appreciate it.

• 1:21:44Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. You know, one other thing we get into the book, and I think, you know, this has become somewhat

• 1:21:52Speaker 00

  polarizing, controversial, you know, I saw a post recently. It is, you know, where there was, there was a shooting and, and there, there was some, there was some really well-known people and even a pastor saying, we need to pray for this person's family for this. And then somebody said, you know, prayer doesn't do anything. It's not enough.

• 1:22:13Gary Brecka?

  I saw that unfolding.

• 1:22:14Speaker 00

  And, yeah. And, and you know what?

• 1:22:17Gary Brecka?

  Especially when the people that, the victims were praying at the time, if you're referring.

• 1:22:21Speaker 00

  That's right. It is. That's exactly what I'm referring to. And, and you know, prayer has an amazing ability to heal. You know, when I had my spinal infection, my mom had his cancer. It was the number one form of medicine we were practicing on a daily basis is prayer. And there, in the book of James in the Bible, it says, if you're sick, go to the elders of the church. Have them pray for you for healing. Have them anoint your head with oil and you will be made well. It's very clear. It's probably one of the most clear things in the Bible. If you do this, you will be healed. And this is something even the church has got away from that doesn't do very often. I mean, how often if we're sick, do we have somebody go place their hands on us? Pray for us for healing?

• 1:23:02Speaker 00

  And believe in faith that we're going to be made well. Now, there's also this thing interesting in there. There's something in the Bible called the holy anointing oil, and it was a blend of olive oil was the base, and then cinnamon, cashia, myrrh, and kalamus oil, sometimes frankincense, were added to this oil blend. They used it to anoint kings, but they also used it for healing. So it was a very potent essential oil blend that they would use there as well. But, uh, but, you know, and there are studies on prayer, but I think overall, I think if somebody is sick, one of the greatest things you could do is ask somebody to pray for you for healing, pray for your own healing. I believe God's at work today. And that's, I mean, the Bible never says like, eat this and you'll be healed, but it does say, act with faith in prayer. Those things will actually heal you.

• 1:23:47Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, that's fascinating. I'm excited to read it. I'm excited to have you back on the podcast. You know, I have a group called my VIP group, and it's, uh, these are, these are a community, this is the community that I'm building. So, uh, and every time I have a podcast, we, you know, we end the podcast and we go into a private room and they get to ask you questions directly. And they got a whole bunch of questions for you. So, yeah, if you're interested in becoming a VIP, you can head over to theultimatehuman.com/vip, sign up to VIP, and you can submit questions for Doctor Ask or anyone else. But, um, before I wind down the podcast, I ask all my guests the same question. Um, I probably asked you this last time, too. So maybe you'll have a

• 1:24:32Gary Brecka?

  different answer. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:24:36Speaker 00

  You know, along with what we've been discussing, I think the ultimate human is somebody who is doing the greatest good, uh, loving God, loving people, making earth a heavenly place. I think that's what an ultimate human is. I think in order to do that, you've got to take care of your health. I think it's critically important. Um, I had a pastor once, and he was in his 70s, and he was my best patient. Like anytime I like, and you've had people like this, every lecture you ever did, anything you ever put, like, he was there.

• 1:25:07Gary Brecka?

  He would consume it.

• 1:25:08Speaker 00

  Yeah. And I asked him, I said, Pastor John, um, you're my best patient. Why are you so committed? And he said, because I want to be helping serve the poor and preach the gospel when I'm in my 90s. And I thought, you're an ultimate human. That's amazing. And Jesus was the ultimate human. So I think the idea there is, is like, In or like, why are you trying to be healthy right now? I like, like, why are we trying to be healthy? Is it for vanity's sake or because you have a God given mission? You know that you were called to raise up world changing kids. You know, you're called to, you know, you have this gift and this book to write or this thing to do. And that's why you're eating. That's why you're fueling, fueling your body. So I think, I think that's part of the mindset that goes with becoming, you know, an ultimate human.

• 1:25:50Gary Brecka?

  Giving yourself that why?

• 1:25:52Speaker 00

  That's right.

• 1:25:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Fan- fantastic, man. Great answer.

• 1:25:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, thanks so much.

• 1:25:57Gary Brecka?

  So guys, I hope you enjoyed the podcast. If you're interested in becoming a VIP, just head over to theultimatehuman.com/vip. And until next time, that's just science.