Liza Koshy: ON Becoming The Person You Should Have Been

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Liza Koshy. Liza is an actress, television host, comedian and YouTuber. Liza stars in the YouTube Premium comedy series Liza on Demand and is the host of the Nickelodeon game show Double Dare. Too often we follow a path that leads us away from who we are and Liza encourages you to release the labels others put on you, and embrace your multiple selves. A different version of you lives in the minds of everyone you know. Will you live up to their expectations, or the one that lives within? See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:56Speaker 01

  So you think of like a, you know, a kid on Disney Channel, right? And that network created, you know, what that character is in that show and what the messages are trying to convey in that show. And then when that person as a human being naturally grows and evolves, they become, you know, they're themselves or whatever version they may become. That's like a role you break out of. Now I created my own. And so to break out of that and become this host or become this actress was me, you know, experimenting creatively outside of what people knew me to be.

• 3:32Jay Shetty?

  Hey, everyone. Thank you so much for coming back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you. I'm genuinely so deeply touched that you come back every single week to learn, to listen, to grow and to make an investment into your development, your growth. And you know that I try bring on guests every single week that I believe are going to help you live a better, more meaningful, purposeful life. And today's guest is incredible, like her energy is infectious. Her smile is contagious. The love that she emanates and embodies from the moment I met her is truly one of the most beautiful things to witness and observe.

• 4:16Jay Shetty?

  And I'm so excited that you're going to get to witness that for so much more time today than we usually do. And I have to say, she has one of the busiest schedules in the world. So the fact that she's actually made time for this, I'm super humbled and grateful. So let me go into this and listen very carefully, this is for everyone listening. Today's guest is an actress, a television host, comedian and YouTuber. She began her career on Vine in 2013 before starting a YouTube channel. Her acting roles include Are Walker in Tyler Perry's horror comedy film Boo, a Madea Halloween, and the explorer in the YouTube premium series Escape the Night. She starred as Violet Adams in Hulu drama television series Freakish,

• 4:58Jay Shetty?

  and she both produces and stars in the YouTube premium comedy series Liza on Demand. And series two is coming out, so we're gonna be talking a lot about that. And she's the host of the Nickelodeon game show Double Dare. She's received four streaming awards, right, guys? Not just one, four streaming awards, 14 Choice Awards, and a Kids' Choice Award. She's a member of the 2019 Forbes 30 Under 30, and she's got a lot of years to go before that even gets close. So she's got a ton of time. And she was on Time's 2019 list of the 25 most influential people on the internet. With 60 million followers across over four platforms, her name is the one and only Liza Koshy.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  Hi!

• 5:43Jay Shetty?

  You are such a legend.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Thank you, thank you.

• 5:47Jay Shetty?

  Couldn't they have put you on like the Forbes 25 Under 25? Or like 23 Under 23?

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Work on that, work on that. I'm glad I slid you my resume so you could read all of that.

• 5:56Jay Shetty?

  I had to read it, I had to read it. And I thought about this, and I'll be honest with you. When we're researching guests and we're getting the bio together, and I'm picking out what to say, and I read that, and I literally said to Julian, I said to him when we were looking at it, I was just like, I'm gonna say all of it, because she deserves it. I was like, I'm gonna say all of it. And there's so much more, but I was like, I wanted you to, and I want everyone listening, and I want you to recognize just how amazing you are and what you've accomplished, and how incredible it is. And you do it with so much grace. Like, you don't do it with any ego. I've never sensed arrogance from you, I've never sensed ego from you.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  You're just an actress, I'm full of it. I'm just pretending to be humble over here, so.

• 6:30Jay Shetty?

  You're a great actress.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  Well, check out the show then, hey? Prove it!

• 6:34Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 6:35Speaker 02

  I'm trying, I'm trying.

• 6:36Jay Shetty?

  And I'm so excited for season two, I've been watching the first. It's been amazing.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Thank you so much.

• 6:41Jay Shetty?

  It's been so exciting.

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Season two got a little bit of an upgrade, so we got a little bit more budget on that one. So, we got more budget, but surprisingly, less wardrobe. So I will say, in the first episode, I am naked. So, speaking of...

• 6:53Jay Shetty?

  What?

• 6:54Speaker 01

  I want you to watch, so check it out. But it is, it is, it's very vulnerable. I will say, I'm very exposed, literally and figuratively and spiritually. So you get to see more of a journey and more of like my growth as like a human being, but also as a character. And it kind of like parallels my real life of me stepping into my power. And so does my character, so I'm excited for the

• 7:13Jay Shetty?

  That's amazing.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, thank you.

• 7:15Jay Shetty?

  And I love how much of, when I've been watching it, I love how much of you is infused into the character.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:20Jay Shetty?

  Like it doesn't

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Can't help it.

• 7:22Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no, but it's, it's so, it's still done so uniquely. Like, so I never feel like I'm watching a video of yours. It definitely feels like a show, which I love that distinction that you've been able to make.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:32Jay Shetty?

  It's very different, but at the same time, I can see you genuinely coming out. And I think that's your superpower. Like, you know, you as who you are and your, your expressions, your emoji like face, like, you know, that's like, that's like the stuff. And I'm like, I'm so happy to see that come out. And the comedy is all you, like your writing as well.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  That's me. So, yeah, I'm in the writer's room, I'm writing and, and, you know, developing the story with a bunch of other amazing magicians and cooks in the kitchen. So I'm just blessed to have this like amazing family that's willing to uplift this story that hasn't really been told. So, or at least told from my perspective, so I'm excited.

• 8:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  Thank you. We were just talking about starting off with compliments and I have these like, I'm like, you know, I was nervous because it's my first podcast. I'm trying to do my most soothing voice possible. Sounds like an off-brand Beyonce right now. Hey y'all, how y'all doing? But I look like crazy Cardi B right now, like if Cardi B was raised at Disneyland or something. If you're watching the visual, I'm wearing many colors, every color in the Pantone book, I swear.

• 8:26Jay Shetty?

  So we have Liza Kershey, Cardi B and Beyonce on this podcast.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  All for one, three for one, baby.

• 8:31Jay Shetty?

  Three for one. This is amazing. No, and this is your first podcast.

• 8:34Speaker 01

  This is my first podcast.

• 8:35Jay Shetty?

  Which, which I felt so humbled and honored by. I was like, wow, like, thank you. I'm so grateful.

• 8:39Speaker 01

  It is an honor to be on yours. I can't tell you like how many times I've been in my times of weakness and I felt empowered and strengthened through your words and through your shares. On Instagram, I always say like, you know, feed your feed with things that genuinely feed you. And genuinely is a word that's thrown around a lot, but you are genuinely one of the most amazing, like enlightening souls that I've like ever come across. And this is like our first time like hanging out too. So you're watching this like full on, full conversation that we've never had before, just like on camera with each other. So I'm excited, but um, yeah, I appreciate everything that you've done. You, you helped me through a really tough time and I'm grateful to be here today to thank you in person.

• 9:18Jay Shetty?

  And I'm here for you. I'm totally here for you, anytime, any, you know, anytime and And I was so touched by the mention in the Wall Street Journal and so many other places. It's not even that. Like, I just, I wanted to say that. Like, I think this is who you are. And this is where I want to start with how this conversation has already gone because it's turned into a compliment.

• 9:36Speaker 02

  I know.

• 9:38Jay Shetty?

  I want to stop this. I actually have some questions I wanted to ask, which I will get to.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 9:42Jay Shetty?

  But, but, but I want to point this out because I think it's important to testament to who you are.

• 9:48Jay Shetty?

  Like you said, this is the first time we're like sitting down face to face, having our conversation. You could have said anyone, but you still said me and you've, you've mentioned so many wonderful things about me. And I'm just like, this is the most beautiful thing about someone. Like you're saying it when we haven't even had this moment to sit down together. And so anyway, the feeling is mutual. We're going to stop complimenting each other. You will not hear a compliment for the rest of this podcast.

• 10:08Speaker 02

  Now that both of our egos are boosted, we are good to go.

• 10:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, exactly. Like now that, now that we've got that out of the way, like we're going to, we're going to ask serious interview questions.

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• 12:35Jay Shetty?

  I want to start off with something, and I want to dive into the making of the show and everything. But I want to start off with something that I think is important to what you've touched on. It's important to how you've spoken about it. And you said this, and it was really powerful. When you returned from your social media break, you said that it was the first time that you felt successful.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:51Jay Shetty?

  And when I heard that, I was just like, wow, like, what happened in that time?

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:55Jay Shetty?

  Like, we've just read your resume, you know, everyone knows your accomplishments. But you said that that was the first time you felt successful. What happened in that time where people were like, where Liza was like, now I feel successful?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay, well, everybody has their own definition of success, right? And my definition of success, although it may sound selfish, it's not. It's the feeling of joy and happiness that resides in that quiet confidence that resides in myself. And I was always a very big, kind of obnoxious, like real loud personality, like comes out in different forms and has explored myself creatively in different forms, whether it be through hosting or acting, or whatever it may be, or whatever inspires me in that time. But I, I, I... Was finding myself. I created this box, or this rectangle, if you will, of my YouTube videos and all these characters and personas that I put on and that I created for myself. And I'll get more into that later because there's reasons why I created all those personas.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  And I developed this level of awareness that I'm like, oh, that's why I made that, because I needed that. And I'll get into that. But I literally created this rectangle and people knew me. They created a definition around me as to what I do or what I create. And I had to break out of that. So you think of like a kid on Disney Channel, right? And that network created what that character is in that show and what the messages are trying to convey in that show. And then when that person, as a human being, naturally grows and evolves, they become themselves or whatever version they may become. And that's like a role you break out of. Now, I created my own. And so to break out of that and become this host or become this actress

• 14:33Speaker 01

  was me experimenting creatively outside of what people knew me to be. And so I made this definition. I allowed them to define me. And then I was redefining myself in that time that I took away. And I allowed myself to breathe, allowed myself to be whatever I may be within that day or 10 minutes, forever changing and ever evolving. And there was a point where I was stunting myself and holding myself back from becoming. And now I've become myself or selves. So now my whole thing is like, not only be yourself, because we know that cliche. We know that like, yes, be yourself, whoever that may be. But now it's plural. Be yourselves, whatever you may identify as

• 15:15Speaker 01

  and whatever you are drawn to and want to become. So in that time, there was a lot of growth and a lot of spiritual awakening. My forehead always hurts because my third eye be seeing things now. Yeah. But it's been fun and I'm so grateful to my audience for allowing me to have that break and allowing me to be a human instead of, you know, the character, the persona that I created online.

• 15:39Jay Shetty?

  I love that, be yourselves.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Be yourselves.

• 15:42Jay Shetty?

  I love that. So that's almost like giving you permission to be more than one thing.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  Be more than one thing, identify as many. You are, you know, I, in the industry, I'm this host or I'm this actress or I'm, I'm this personality, whatever that may be in your, in your real life, it's who you are at work, who you are at church, who you are at, you know, whatever, wherever you may go, you are these different versions of yourself and allowing yourself to be and accept yourself, yourselves.

• 16:07Jay Shetty?

  I love that. That's such great advice. I think you're so right that we get so caught up in our definition of what we think we should be and then we get caught up in the definition of what everyone thinks we should be. I think it's, I think it's the Japanese say we have three faces. So the first face is the face that we show to the world. The second face is the face that we show to people that are closer to us and the third face is the face we show to no one else. Right? It's like, those are the three faces and I'm sure there's multiple other layers of that. But it's interesting what you're saying is actually like embrace all of them.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, embrace all of them and that face that you don't show to the world is the hardest to show, but I think it's like, it's what the industry needs and it's what you do essentially is like, is showing the world that it's okay to be who you are behind the curtain, but in front of it as well. Like that's, that's the most exciting, most vulnerable, most relatable part that you can be is like, accepting of your feelings and your emotions. That's the hardest part, but is what we need, so I'm thankful for it.

• 17:03Jay Shetty?

  That's so beautiful and compliments are now over, so you can stop, stop.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Move on from the problem.

• 17:08Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, can you move on, like, can you stop doing it?

• 17:09Speaker 01

  I know I'm dope, okay? Calm down. All right, I get it. I have a whole podcast, very successful actually. Keep listening, there's more to come.

• 17:16Jay Shetty?

  I love it and I love what you were saying earlier, like this, that really got me thinking and I didn't know that. You were saying that you started to realize that you built characters to express certain feelings or because of what you were going through?

• 17:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:29Jay Shetty?

  Take us through that because I think that's fascinating.

• 17:31Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you. I mean, I didn't know I was crazy and then. And then I found out as I had this like level of awareness, you hit your twenties, man, that hit me like a brick. I ran straight into a wall when I hit my twenties and I'm grateful for that wall because it allowed me to stop and like pull back and listen to what I was doing and to myself and to the world. So I created these crazy characters. One, because I'm a real good looking man. I look good and a bowl cut and that is a hard thing to achieve. His name was Jet or his name is still Jet. He's still with us. I sounded like he died.

• 18:04Speaker 01

  He's fine. He's doing well. He's thriving. But yeah, no, he was this character that I created, a little bowl cut, a little mustache, always wearing black. He looks real dapper. He thinks he's fantastic at everything, but he kind of sucks. But he has this like unspoken, also very loud spoken confidence of like, I can do anything and I embody, you know, my truth always, which is that I'm great and I believe in that, even if physically I can't prove that. So he's really bad at sports. He can't do a single thing. He's awful. He's the world's greatest Olympian in his book, but in everybody else's, he's just crazy. But he was basically

• 18:44Speaker 01

  what I needed. So I needed that, that confidence, that just like entire like almost delusional belief in oneself. And that's, I forget who said it. It's probably somebody on this very inspiring wall, but someone said you have to be a bit delusional. Oh, it was, it was,

• 18:59Speaker 02

  yeah. Ali.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Ali. He said, you have to be a bit delusional in order to believe in yourself that nothing has ever been done before, that you are able to provide the world. And so I created this Jet to be this branch of confidence that I needed. And that was a form of myself that sometimes you step into that power of confidence and you're not sure what the hell you're doing, but you look, you're confident doing it. And you're just leaning into fear instead of, you know, letting it control you. But then this other version was Helga, who's a very like maternal figure. She is, she's from somewhere. She sounds a bit like this. I don't know where she's from. I say she's not from anywhere, so I don't offend anyone. Hello.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  There you go. She's from the world. She's cultured. She just picked up an accent. She's actually just, you know, from Minnesota.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  But she was this like maternal figure. I moved out at 19 and I didn't have my mom in my life in LA. And I had her blessing to move out here, but I didn't have the guidance that, you know, I wanted or craved. So I created her and she was, you know, the very outspoken confidence too of like knowing and being sure in her word and what she believes. So that's who I created for that. And then this little Liza is this young version of myself that has, you know, she's kind of unaware. She's innocent. She ignorance is bliss kind of thing. And we all have this inner child in which we embrace at times, but sometimes, sometimes we also shove down. We don't want to be too crazy, too big, or wear too many colors at the same time.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  And, and that's what little Liza was for me. She allowed me to embrace, you know, the, the younger characteristics of myself and, and it was me not wanting to step into adulthood either. I'll tell you that. My midlife crisis, she was holding me back from it. You know what I'm saying? So I created her in order to allow myself to play and we should all just be allowed to play and have fun and not, you know, conform to whatever society may be saying they want to see. But then, yeah, those are my characters and they're all different branches of me. And so I created all of them. And now I'm kind of bringing them all together as one, which is just me.

• 21:06Jay Shetty?

  And that's the Liza we see on Liza on Demand.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  And that's Liza you see on Liza on Demand. It's her like, you know, being a little confused about what to do with her career, but, thank you for tying it back into the show. God dang, you are good at this.

• 21:18Speaker 01

  You, you see that, that version of me that like is, is embodying everything and embracing everything about herself. So, yeah.

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• 23:39Jay Shetty?

  I love that. I'm so glad that you shared that because I think, and I'm guessing when you actually created them, you didn't know that.

• 23:45Speaker 02

  No, I had no idea.

• 23:46Jay Shetty?

  It's in hindsight, now that you've reflected and you've looked at those roles and you've been like, oh, that's why I did that. And I love that because what you're saying is so true. There's two things I want to point out to the audience, which you've just done here is, when you look at what Ali said, it's like, Ali said that, you know, he said he was the greatest before he was.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:01Jay Shetty?

  And so that's exactly the point of like, he was saying that to convince himself, not really to convince anyone else, but then going through that process, he did become.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:08Jay Shetty?

  And in the same way, Steve Jobs had something called Reality Distortion Field. So that's where you're creating a almost... Not slightly delusional, but a aspirational version

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:21Jay Shetty?

  of who you want to be.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:23Jay Shetty?

  And you're creating it so that you can then become that. And then Martin Luther King used to put on glasses. Yeah, so Todd Herman, who I interviewed and wrote the book, The Alter Ego Effect, he talked about how Martin Luther King used to wear glasses because they made him feel more confident.

• 24:36Speaker 02

  Me and Martin Luther King have so much in common.

• 24:38Jay Shetty?

  Really?

• 24:39Speaker 02

  I mean, like, I actually have, I didn't wear them today because I just wanted to, like, look you directly in the eye, but I have a pair of fake glasses that I wear all the time.

• 24:45Jay Shetty?

  No way, that's really?

• 24:46Speaker 02

  Because it makes me feel like so much more like regal.

• 24:50Jay Shetty?

  Do you wear them to meetings and stuff?

• 24:51Speaker 02

  I wear them to meetings because I feel like they take me more seriously. You see like a little five foot gnome waddle into the office, you're like, well, I'm gonna listen to this. This is gonna tell me an idea, a good idea? And I put my glasses on, I become this like, hey, I got some things to say. I've seen the world, let me tell you about it.

• 25:05Jay Shetty?

  You and Martin Luther King.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Me and Martin Luther King, same thing.

• 25:08Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  I have dreams too.

• 25:11Jay Shetty?

  I love it. No, but, and this, and that's something I wanted to talk about there. Like, one thing I get from speaking to you today, and obviously Courtney, who we both love.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 25:19Jay Shetty?

  And, and when she talks about you to me, and from what I've observed, I, I think of anyone who's, anything that you've accomplished externally, but also just the person that you are. I think, I'm trying really hard not to compliment you.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  I know, I know. I was like, I see you say it. Say what you love about me.

• 25:35Jay Shetty?

  But, but the thing I find is that I don't think people should underestimate people based on their age or their professional experience. Because I'm like, when I see what you've achieved externally, in terms of everything we talked about, and who I see you as a human, and just how you've just reflected on how you created roles. Like, that's not a...

• 25:56Speaker 02

  I had a lot of time. I took a year off YouTube, man. I had a lot of time to think and journal and meditate, you know?

• 26:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but it's like, that reflection is super mature. Like, people don't realize for decades that they've been creating personas to play and not knowing who they are and figuring out their identity. Like, that's something we do for our whole lives. And so I think anyone who's... Judging someone or questioning someone's ideas when they're walking through their room because of how they look and how they dress and how old they are. I mean, that needs to go for sure.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  That needs to go for sure. Don't judge a book by its cover because there's a whole story on the inside that you're about to find out if you're willing to listen.

• 26:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. And how have you dealt with that? With like, you know, you're creating shows, you're hosting shows. How have you dealt with that to be able to display without having to like defend yourself?

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:42Jay Shetty?

  Because I feel like you do that pretty well.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Display, defend, there's another D word, I say disarm. So I immediately, that's my, my favorite thing to do is like disarm. And that's what I use my humor for is I either compliment, what you just did, by the way, thank you for all those compliments that you said you weren't going to give anymore of. You either compliment or you disarm. You allow them to know like, yo, we're all just here. We have a really cool jobs and like what we're doing is a blessing to do every day. So to walk in and just immediately like, yo, just let's set the temperament now. Let's, let's enjoy ourselves, let's have a good time. Let's, let's, you know, acknowledge the world around us and, and the fact that we're living this life is so cool. So that's, that's my go-to when walking into a meeting that I'm feeling nervous about. Because that's what I want somebody to do for me. I want them to make me feel comfortable.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  So allowing someone, complimenting someone is making them feel comfortable in who they are and like taking a second to acknowledge and notice what they've done to themselves, whatever that be. But yeah, so I think for me, it's just stepping in and being bold and being confident and being that version of myself. I tap into my, my jet or I put in my, put on my glasses and allow myself to firmly believe that I have something to say. And you know, if you're receptive and you're ready to listen, then you're in your place. And if you're not and you want to shut down that idea, then that's all right. I forgive you. You're, there's, there's something that you're working through and when you work past it, maybe you will see, hopefully, I pray for you more clearly.

• 28:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I love that. That's awesome. Don't display or defend, disarm.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:11Jay Shetty?

  I think that's beautiful. I think that's such a.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 28:14Jay Shetty?

  I've, I've never thought about it like that. Like I, I almost feel like I've practiced some of it.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  Sure, you do that.

• 28:20Jay Shetty?

  I've never really consciously understood that in that word.

• 28:24Speaker 01

  Awareness of it.

• 28:25Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I think you've just made me conscious of it. You've worked me up to it. It's beautiful. It's like,

• 28:29Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 28:29Jay Shetty?

  That's such a powerful point that I think if we can always look when we walk into meetings, or we walk into an interaction or anything to disarm everyone.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:39Jay Shetty?

  So that we can allow ourselves to be more ourselves.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 28:42Jay Shetty?

  I think, I think that's beautiful. I think that's such a great practical takeaway because I think we all get so lost in, we always walk into a meeting and feel like, I'm gonna have to defend myself today. I'm gonna have to like stand up for like, I'm, I'm, I'm this. So we start looking at all of our things that people could pick out. We're like, I'm gonna build myself up. Or we go like, I'm gonna show what I'm good at. I'm gonna display. And I just, that's a huge takeaway for me.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:02Jay Shetty?

  That's massive. Yeah.

• 29:03Speaker 01

  I'll teach you one thing.

• 29:04Jay Shetty?

  You've taught me.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  So many. Like, how many posts you have on Instagram? Yeah, that many things. You've taught me that many things and more.

• 29:10Jay Shetty?

  No, you just worked me up to that. I think that's a huge point. I just think if, if we can walk into every interaction in our lives.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:16Jay Shetty?

  And think, how can I disarm the other person and disarm myself too?

• 29:19Speaker 01

  Humanize. You humanize yourself. Yeah.

• 29:22Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. Hey, thanks, man. That's what I love to do is just like make you feel comfortable in whatever heightened or relaxed environment that you're in. Like, this is so relaxing to be here and just talking to you. It's definitely, it's different than Met Gala for sure. Just to brush, brush the dirt off my shoulders.

• 29:37Jay Shetty?

  I mean, you were doing all the interviews on Met Gala, standing on like this podium, right?

• 29:41Speaker 01

  That was empowering in itself.

• 29:42Jay Shetty?

  That was empowering.

• 29:43Speaker 01

  I'm five feet tall. I was wearing four inch heels. I was five four, but I, they still needed more.

• 29:47Jay Shetty?

  And you had to wait for everyone to walk the whole carpet and you were standing there as like the gatekeeper.

• 29:52Speaker 01

  Ready.

• 29:53Jay Shetty?

  But you were amazing. Everyone seemed to love talking to you.

• 29:55Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you.

• 29:55Jay Shetty?

  Who was, who was, what was the conversation that you remember that kind of left an impact?

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I have to say, I love Stephen Colbert. So like last year was my first year doing Met Gala. This year I kind of like came back and, and felt more comfortable and in my power for sure. But, uh, last year I just geeked out over Stephen Colbert and, and from that I was invited to be on his show, which was amazing. And it was just a chain reaction of fortunate events. Yeah. So it was, it was cool, but, uh, he, he just, you know, he has a platform and I think he uses it in amazing ways and he does the same disarming. So I'm just inspired by, uh, people I watch all the time and.

• 30:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it was cool. But let me think, who else?

• 30:33Speaker 02

  It was wonderful, just like seeing people this year especially. The, uh, the, the theme was camp.

• 30:37Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Speaker 02

  So you could go as hard as you wanted to. And I had a whole pocket full of like, could have been hot cheetos that I was selling on the side, which I'm sure people would have appreciated because inside you just get one chicken breast, which yeah, just a chicken breast and a little scoop greens. I think Anna Wintour is paleo. She was ensuring everybody else was following her diet. But no, I had a, like, my arm was missing. So my arm was inside this giant pocket the whole time. It was just like flaccid in there the whole time. Didn't see the sunlight. It's a little more pale to this day. But it was cool because everybody was just expressing themselves and like, they were decorating their spirit that day or their soul that day, which I like to say because they were just having fun and being who they are and embracing it. So it was fun.

• 31:17Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's awesome. I remember you describing Lady Gaga's outfit changes on the carpet. I was like, this is brilliant. Like, I was just like, because you can see it from afar. And you're like, you're going through the motions that everyone got to go through on the pictures afterwards. But I think you did an awesome job. And, and I love how, again, like, I, I think you are constantly giving, everyone who's listening, everyone who watches you, permission to be themselves because you always are. Like, I just don't see you change in, in different forums and different, you know, whether it's the streamies where I first met you last year, or whether it's, you know, the Met Gala, whatever, like, you're always emanating who you are. And I think that that's a beautiful thing. I think holding on to that at such a young age, like, you're only 23 years old.

• 32:00Jay Shetty?

  And I think that's amazing that you've just been able to really understand yourself and be comfortable in your own skin and

• 32:05Speaker 02

  I'm glad it looks like that. That's what I'm saying. I think I might be a good actress.

• 32:10Speaker 02

  Because I am, I'm, you're, I became comfortable with being uncomfortable. And I love the skin I'm in, but I'm always trying to understand what exactly is inside. So that, that willingness to be open and accept whatever may come out.

• 32:22Jay Shetty?

  Well, that's it. Well, that's what's beautiful about it. Like, that's even more powerful, what you've just said there. Like, you're constantly trying to understand. Like, that constant, like, awareness and actualization going on is what people need to do.

• 32:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:33Jay Shetty?

  I love that. Amazing. Awesome. Well, tell me, tell me about, what I was really fascinated by is like, obviously you've done all of this great social media work, like you've, you know, built an amazing platform, amazing audience, people love you, like, you know, and, and it's just, what I was fascinated by is then you go and create a show. And, and as I was pointing out earlier, to me, it's another level. Like, the writing's incredible, the scripting's incredible, the, you know, all the jokes and the punchlines, the character style, the, the other characters that are involved, which is different to you being characters. It's now you interacting

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:08Jay Shetty?

  with real other people, which is different from your work. Tell me about the process of actually building a show.

• 33:14Speaker 02

  Oh, man.

• 33:15Jay Shetty?

  Because I feel like it's a massive undertaking. I mean, building a YouTube audience and YouTube is hard enough.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 33:20Jay Shetty?

  But then to like, transition, tell me, tell us about that transition.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Woo cha! How much time do we have?

• 33:24Jay Shetty?

  We've got time.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Um, okay, so basically, I hope you like the sound of my voice, by the way, just checking in mid podcast, because I've been talking a lot and I appreciate you guys listening.

• 33:33Jay Shetty?

  I was actually gonna say, you have a great podcast voice.

• 33:35Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you.

• 33:36Jay Shetty?

  If you ever wanna, you know, start a podcast.

• 33:38Speaker 02

  I'll be back then.

• 33:40Speaker 02

  You were saying that on the phone yesterday, like, a podcast is a great way to make friends. You wanted to have deep conversations with people that you wanted to be friends with.

• 33:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. I've literally been like, I've, I've said to people, I'm like, oh, I'd love to hang out. And they're like, yeah, yeah, I'd love to too. And I'm like, uh, can you come on my podcast? I'm like, oh, yeah, when do you want me to come on? I'm like, great, like, but no, I, I do believe that podcasts are very intimate conversations.

• 34:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:01Jay Shetty?

  And it's a chance to go vulnerable quicker.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:04Jay Shetty?

  And I can ask whatever I feel like on a podcast.

• 34:08Speaker 02

  Truth.

• 34:08Jay Shetty?

  And sometimes when you're off, off camera, off, off microphone, you can't, you don't always feel like you can.

• 34:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:14Jay Shetty?

  On a podcast, you can ask whatever and like, so anyway, but yeah.

• 34:16Speaker 02

  I love that, I love that. Sorry, my ADD kicked in. What was the question again?

• 34:20Jay Shetty?

  The question was, I, I'm just trying to, I guess there's two parts to this question. Let me break it down. The first part of the question is, what do you think people misunderstand about the life of a creator?

• 34:29Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 34:30Jay Shetty?

  Like, I want, I wanna understand, like, how challenging it is

• 34:34Speaker 02

  Sure, yeah.

• 34:34Jay Shetty?

  to do what you've done, like, you know, all the, all the kind of, the process it's taken to build the social platform.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:39Jay Shetty?

  And then the second part of the question is, I wanna hear that, how, how interesting the transition was from social media to then building a show.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I will say, the life of a creator is an interesting one. It's you, you don't get bored.

• 34:54Speaker 01

  You definitely, there is no idle mind. I will say, you are, you are constantly working and it depends what kind of content you're creating, right? So, we have vlogs that are out there, you have your scripted content that's out there, you have just podcasts. I mean, you have, you have it all. So, for, for myself, I, I started off doing vlogging and I enjoyed that, but I wanted to like build. I wanted some kind of like structure, some kind of, you know, formula, method to my madness, if you will. And I, I created all these scripts and all these characters, right? And so that was me literally dragging around a tripod in my room and finding lighting and, and just Googling everything. How do I, what camera does what and what, what does this? So, starting off from scratch and creating kind of my own, I didn't know what it was, but my production company. And that's what I was doing.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  But really for me, it was just like creating videos and having fun and being this, these versions of myself and putting myself out there. Um, and little did I realize I was acting too. I just didn't know, even though I was looking at a white, like I just didn't know that me looking at a white wall, dressing up as a different version of myself was acting. Until like the label was placed whenever I was like, oh, that's, why does it feel so familiar when I do this? You know, on set with other people? Oh, because I've been doing this alone in my living room.

• 36:05Speaker 02

  For years.

• 36:06Speaker 01

  For years, you know, making my own like audition and my own reels online. Well, that's what's so cool about social media is like you create your own reel, your own resume online. So you can show the world what you can do if placed in another environment or given another chance of some sort. So, that's what I was doing in, in my own living room and, and creating that. But it takes hours, hours of scripting and, and making sure the language is right. And you're trying to get the message across and, um, you know, costume changes on my own and, and switching into those characters. And I'm, I'm better at night. I'm surprised I'm a high functioning human right now during the day. Look at that, it's probably because you've got blackout curtains up there.

• 36:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it feels like that.

• 36:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, it feels like night, it feels chill. But I, I filmed everything from like, probably I'll start at like 10:00 PM and go until 4:00 AM. And just change into all these different characters. Cause I just like was better on and, and, and more into performance mode at night. So, I, I did that and then I would go to sleep and I'd wake up and immediately start editing. And editing's the longest process, takes like, days, days. That's why this is so relieving. I'm like, you don't have to edit this really, you just gotta chop into these different angles. Hi, how you doing? Now you're on Jay, now you're back on me.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  We're acknowledging the visuals, guys. For those of you listening to the audio.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  But yeah, no, I was, you know, taking, it took, it took a very long time. And I think that's what, you see a four minute video, but what went into that was four days. Or what went into that was a week in that 10 minute long video. So like, eh, there's a lot that you don't see that goes into making this one baby. There's a lot of parents, not just two. Yeah, but in this case, for my channel, it was just me. I was just a single parent of all these babies I was making online, just taking care. And then I got to meet my other parents and I got to, you know, co-create. And, and that was exciting for me, stepping into a different world of creation when it comes to lies on demand. And, um, you know, stepping into the writer's room and, and being able to work with all these mad geniuses

• 38:03Speaker 01

  who have these stories and ideas and experiences that I get to, you know, throw into my show and, and have these bouncing around ideas. And, and it was just so fun to be collaborative. Creating on what I did online was so fun and it was exciting, but it was very isolating at the same time. I was on my own and I felt like I had to be on my own. And that was the rectangle that I had to break out of. Or the box, I say rectangle because that's what you're watching on your phone, right? That's how you're watching your little baby movies. So that's, that was me, you know, breaking out of just being this solo act. I did the opposite of what Beyonce did.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  I found my destiny's child. I created my destiny with others. And then we made children together. So, so I got to make this, this whole show with like all these incredible creatives. And, and for them to be willing to work with me and put up with me, I'm so, I'm so lucky. Cause it was, it was fun to produce and write and be in that writer's room for hours instead of alone in my living room on the couch and, and, and being in production and figuring out how we're going to do this as a team, instead of me dragging around that tripod. And they're both equally as amazing and, and those experiences made me who I am and gave me the experience and knowledge that I needed to transition over into traditional, quote unquote, traditional, because I think everything's just entertainment now. Forget this traditional digital.

• 39:29Speaker 01

  Let's blur that line.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Thank you for saying that.

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I've always tried to do, no matter what I do in my career. Like, I want to blur that line, like Will Smith's doing, like he's, he, Will Smith is my favorite YouTuber.

• 39:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, which is crazy.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  That's wild, right? So to blur that line and just call it entertainment, it's exciting. But yeah, all of those experiences helped me into into this new one. And I'm grateful for anybody who's willing to watch and join me on the journey as I evolve.

• 39:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, 100%. We'll all be watching for sure. I want everyone who's listening to watch. Thanks for the views, views, views. No, I think everyone should watch it just because I think it's it's what's interesting for all of us. And especially those of you who have already been a part of your audience for years and those who are new to your audience. It's like, I think we're getting the fortune of watching creators evolve. Like, that's special.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:15Jay Shetty?

  Like, I'm like, I'm not meeting you or like, people are not meeting you when you got your first big break. People, people are being able to watch the whole journey.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:26Jay Shetty?

  The growth, the evolution of someone. And I'm like, imagine you got to do that with Leonardo DiCaprio. Imagine you got to do that with, Leonardo DiCaprio is one of my favorite people in the world. Like, just like, imagine you got to do that with someone. Like, you got to watch someone grow and evolve and take the next step and, you know, all of that stuff. And I think that's special.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:45Jay Shetty?

  To be able to have that with someone. And so when I'm seeing you and I'm like, you see Vine and then you see YouTube and then you see like, you've got your own show. And like, then you're hosting Nickelodeon. It's like, you're getting to, like, we're getting to be a part of that. And I think if all of us should be making the most of being a part of those journeys, because those are stories you get to tell in the future.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:02Jay Shetty?

  Those are things that, you know, you can't, you can't join someone at their start of their journey ever again.

• 41:07Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 41:08Jay Shetty?

  Right? And not that this is the start of your journey at all, but I mean, like, no one's ever gonna get to be a part of this part of your journey.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:14Jay Shetty?

  Without watching it now.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can always go back and watch it and see where I came from. And actually, I've never deleted anything on Instagram.

• 41:19Jay Shetty?

  Never?

• 41:20Speaker 01

  Ever. You can go back to my very first posts, you can go back to everything that I've ever created.

• 41:23Jay Shetty?

  That's impressive.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  And go find it. Vine, I didn't have an option. They just deleted the whole thing. It just died.

• 41:29Jay Shetty?

  You tried, you tried to keep it alive.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  I tried to keep it alive. Couldn't. I went over into YouTube.

• 41:35Speaker 01

  But yeah, no, I it's exciting to see that whole journey. And there was something that someone said to me that I believe it was someone that worked with Nicole Kidman, who was, you know, we knew her as this movie actress. And then she started doing Big Little Lies. And, you know, people were hesitant to walk up to her as a movie actress, like seeing them. You're paying to see Nicole Kidman on the big screen. Like, there's this, there's this level of like, there's a filter in between you and her. Like, you feel like it's, you can't touch her. But then when she was on Big Little Lies, she stepped into the living room, into the homes of so many. And apparently, people would, you know, come up to her and say, I love your work, and immediately go in for a hug without asking Nicole Kidman, can I give you a hug? And it was just immediate connection.

• 42:19Speaker 01

  And she was confused by it because, you know, to go from people not, not speaking to you for whatever reason, and then to being a part of their family and sitting down and being a part of their story. She was shocked by it because there's a level of comfort there now. Now, creators, we are with you. We are on the toilet with you. We are in bed with you. I have slept with people I don't know about. And it's, and it's wild to me how intimate that experience is and how intimate it is to share your story via vlogs or whatever, and you're seeing behind the curtain more than ever now. So it's exciting. That's why all these celebrities too are wanting to get into YouTube and show the process. So fingers crossed Leonardo DiCaprio has a YouTube channel.

• 43:04Jay Shetty?

  Which will save the planet too. I mean, that would be the best. Yeah, that'd be so cool. That'd be so cool. Tell me about, you've, you've said before that life has been, and, and when I'm, I'm feeling your energy today, and I'm sensing, you're in a great place, like, things are exciting and everything. But you have said before, like, you know, life is like equal parts joy, equal parts pain. Tell me about that. Like, what does that mean to you? And how do you process that? And how does that help you grow?

• 43:27Speaker 01

  Oh, man. You, I mean, you wouldn't know the joy without the pain. Like, I am, I am full in my power right now. And I feel good and I feel proud of everything that I've worked on, everything that I am and have become. But there were many, many times where I was just living in shame and spiraling of sorts of like, who am I? And trying to identify myself and what I am and what I'm doing and what I'm meant to do. And I feel like that's a description of your twenties.

• 43:58Jay Shetty?

  So true. So true. Thank you. Thank you for saying that.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  I really like, I'm ready for 2020. I think I'm gonna tease a series that I don't even know if I'm gonna do it, but I can't wait to be like in the twenties, living in the twenties. I'm gonna work on it, we'll figure it out.

• 44:13Jay Shetty?

  Still that guy, still the editors.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  I'm gonna manifest it.

• 44:17Jay Shetty?

  Please do it.

• 44:17Speaker 01

  I know where you at, I know where you live.

• 44:19Jay Shetty?

  Please do it. Please do it. Please do it.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  I will, I will try, because I really want, I wish there was some kind of guidance for my twenties outside of my sisters who have helped me so much. Shout out to them. But yeah, they, you know, it's such an interesting time where you're like trying to identify yourself, like going through high school again, like what group do I belong to? Do I sit at this table? Do I sit at that table? But for you, it's in your twenties and there's no distinguishing, like I'm in high school, now I'm in college, and now that's why I'm not friends with that person, because we went to different high schools. But now it's just like life. And now it's just like, oh, I'm not friends with that person because we just, we grew apart temporarily, or maybe just for life, and that's okay, because they served a purpose in my life at one point, and I've learned from them, and I've loved them and every experience of them, but like, no longer does. And so it

• 45:07Speaker 01

  may be, and maybe life will bring people back together at some point, but I definitely lived in such shame of myself. And that was from, unfortunately, reading comments online for a little bit, too, was receiving feedback and quote unquote, because it's not validating, but quote unquote validating, a feeling that I was already internally feeling, but from an external source, which was all these comments online. And I was like, oh, they're seeing me, they're seeing me. I don't want them to see me. And allowing myself to, you know, feel those feelings and lean into those feelings and let myself sit with them and figure out why I'm feeling that, what's the root of the problem, instead of shoving it down even further and not allowing myself to feel it, because society tells us, you know, you can't feel or put out

• 45:49Speaker 01

  anything but being happy. And that's why I'm glad for this, I'm so happy for this generation, this younger generation, who Knows and they're learning through media that has become even more vulnerable through people like you who have encouraged us to allow ourselves to feel every feeling and and experience it and and figure out what exactly is going wrong and what what childhood trauma did I go through in which that it's bleeding into adulthood. And and so allowing myself to sit and journal and meditate or, you know, whatever solutions you may find for yourself, like I I did that and I'm I'm glad that's what I did in that year or two was give myself that time and I've come out this of the fire being this phoenix.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  Just like, call, like, you know, like, ready to, like, serve the world because, you know, I I gave that time and I served myself and and that's what I want to do is be generous of the energy that I've harvested for myself and and give it to others. So, but yeah, that definitely, there was a time, I think it was at the continuum conference.

• 46:50Jay Shetty?

  Yes, I remember.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  Where I was just, I was not feeling the utmost myself and or myself and I, it wasn't wasn't my strongest place, but even just sitting with you in that moment and you just like kind of empowering me and through what I do, I was like, oh, he sees something I don't see right now. I hope I see what he sees one day, you know, like you were just, you were so kind and so giving at a time that I really needed it. And so I thank you for that. My nostrils are flaring because I'm trying to hold back tears because there is a visual, your podcast, you can't hear my shaky voice, but I was grateful for that. Really, really, truly grateful. And I was grateful for the strangers that smiled at me at a time where I couldn't smile myself. Yeah.

• 47:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's so beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. I think it's so important for people to hear that because and I and I loved what you said that I do think that we're at a time when your generation especially and this generation right now is allowing itself to explore.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:45Jay Shetty?

  And I think when I remember, even me and I'm only, you know, a little bit older than you, but yeah, all right.

• 47:53Speaker 01

  Bit like.

• 47:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, but it's like, I remember thinking that my twenties, I was told anyway, my twenties had to be when I figured it out.

• 48:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:01Jay Shetty?

  Like it was already figured out.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:02Jay Shetty?

  Like by the time you finish college or university, you have to have it figured out. And I went off and became a monk. So I totally went off, like, if there's any way to say, I don't agree with the system, it's becoming a monk. It's like, you know, that's like completely anti.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Rebel you.

• 48:18Jay Shetty?

  It's totally rebellious. Like I always say, becoming a monk is one of the most rebellious things I could have ever done because it's totally anti. The systems and the establishment, it's like, it's like basically saying, I don't value material things. And so when I went off and did that, I spent, and I can, and that's why I can testify and totally agree with everything you're saying, I spent my whole twenties figuring myself out and learning, not that I figured it all out and that I'm done now, but at least one phase of that cycle was what I dedicated my twenties to. Like, I, I made my first video when I was twenty eight.

• 48:50Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 48:51Jay Shetty?

  That was one of my first twenty nine, twenty eight, twenty nine, so two, three years ago is when I made my first video. And that was the first time I'd made any piece of media.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:59Jay Shetty?

  And, but, but I'd come, it was coming from a place of, I've just spent my twenty one to twenty eight, just reflecting, thinking, meditating, figuring stuff out, intention, reflecting. It wasn't just like, it wasn't just like, oh yeah, let's make video, you know, it wasn't like that. And I think, hearing you say that is so beautiful, because I think that applies to whenever anyone who's listening or watching has that reflection.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:21Jay Shetty?

  So if you have that reflection at thirty, that's your twenties. If you have that reflection at forty, that's your twenties. Yeah, you know, it's like, there's no number on it.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  No, none. And you're constantly, you're forever be a student, like you're constantly learning and you're constantly like, trying to figure out, you're always trying to figure it out, whatever it may be. And, and to not have it figured out is comforting to come to as a solution, at least for me, is like being like, you know what, I don't know. Someone asked me what they thought my, someone asked me, what's your purpose? What do you think your purpose is? I was like, multipurpose. I'm like a cleaner of sorts. I can do hardwood floors or glass surfaces. Like, I, I don't, I don't know, I'm trying to figure that out. Like, I, I, I don't have it figured out and I'm okay with that. So I think like,

• 50:05Jay Shetty?

  I agree.

• 50:05Speaker 01

  That learning and unlearning of what you've learned before, like it's, it's constantly changing as our world around us changes, right?

• 50:11Jay Shetty?

  And, and I think, I think the challenge that we set ourselves up for, which were you're doing, articulating so well is, When we're in the process of reflection, figuring it out, introspection, whatever that may look like, it doesn't have to look a certain way.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:25Jay Shetty?

  That's the place we're gonna be forever anyway. You just don't wanna be in the place of either saying, okay, I found it and I'm done.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:30Jay Shetty?

  Or I'm not even gonna bother.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:32Jay Shetty?

  To be in the process, cuz I think those both extremes can be quite isolating and scary when you're like, okay, I'm done now. I know, I found my purpose.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 50:40Jay Shetty?

  I found it. And I've been at times in my life where I actually was on that end where I was like, I know exactly what my purpose, I know exactly what I'm doing.

• 50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:47Jay Shetty?

  And that also makes you go backwards.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Really?

• 50:49Jay Shetty?

  And then, yeah, like, you don't wanna be...

• 50:51Speaker 01

  I look at you and I'm like, oh, he's got it figured out. Like, I'm, I'm over here saying, I'm okay with not figuring it out, but Jay, let me tell you about Jay, he's, he knows everything.

• 50:58Jay Shetty?

  No, and I, and I, I'd say I'm, I always think life is in percentages. Like, I don't, I think life is percentages. I don't think life is ever a hundred percent or zero percent. It's ninety-nine percent, it's eighty-seven percent, it's ninety-three, like, everything is proportionate, right? It's not like you've got it, there are times in my life where I'm like, okay, I'm ninety-five percent on track, but there's five percent, I've gotta leave that space to figure out more and to get to the next phase and learn and grow.

• 51:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:24Jay Shetty?

  But if I ever go, okay, I'm a hundred percent done now.

• 51:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:26Jay Shetty?

  Then it's kinda like, well, then I don't need to, then I don't need to be or do it.

• 51:29Speaker 01

  That's when you conk out.

• 51:30Jay Shetty?

  Totally, yeah, exactly.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  God or your higher power is like, okay, it's your time.

• 51:33Jay Shetty?

  Exactly, and I think it's just making, I just wanna be always shifting my percentage in the right direction, but I don't ever get to a point where it's zero or a hundred.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:40Jay Shetty?

  You know, so...

• 51:41Speaker 01

  That's beautiful, I love that.

• 51:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I, I just think like, life is phases and phases change and naturally you're gonna go through different transitions in your life.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:50Jay Shetty?

  And, and I just think that we, we try and get out of transitions quickly, but transitions are the time to spend time in, like, that's where you wanna spend your time is in the transition and get it right. Cuz when you rush a transition, you end up at a destination you don't wanna be at. Right, so...

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 52:05Jay Shetty?

  Right? I don't know, you're inspiring me right now.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  No, no, no.

• 52:07Jay Shetty?

  I'm just saying this based on what, I'm just trying to validate what I'm hearing you say at twenty-three, and I'm like, I'm thirty-one now and I'm listening to you and I'm like, that is exactly what I was doing when I was like twenty-three, like, I was a monk, so we're practically the same.

• 52:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:19Jay Shetty?

  Like, you know, we do the same thing, but you know, that's...

• 52:21Speaker 01

  This is what you wore as a monk?

• 52:23Jay Shetty?

  This is what I wore.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  All these colors?

• 52:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and the nails.

• 52:25Speaker 01

  The nails, the acrylics, missing one.

• 52:27Jay Shetty?

  But no, it was the same process. That's what I'm loving hearing about.

• 52:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, well, thank you, thank, I'm glad, I mean, that's crazy that, that, that that's a process that you have to, you see...

• 52:36Speaker 02

  Your accent made me say process.

• 52:38Jay Shetty?

  Process.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  I say process.

• 52:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, process, yeah, process.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  That's a process, process that you have to go through. Um, and, and you never, you kind of never stop going through it. What, what percentage would you say you're at today?

• 52:49Jay Shetty?

  That's, oh, you put me on this. Asking me questions. This is my podcast, right? This is not your podcast. I, I'm definitely in the, I'd say in the eighties or the nineties.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  Nice.

• 53:02Jay Shetty?

  So like, yeah, eighties or the, I was gonna say, like, yeah, you know, eighties or nineties. And it's getting closer, but I'm never looking for, and I think you've, you said this beautifully, like, multi-purpose. I think that's a great, we've got to change the podcast name, guys. It's not On Purpose, it's Multi-Purpose. But I, I think that, I, I resonate with that.

• 53:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:19Jay Shetty?

  Like, I get what you're saying there, right? I think that.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  What you do.

• 53:23Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I, and I think that your purpose should always evolve. Because if it's not evolving and you're not giving it space to grow and change and deepen.

• 53:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:31Jay Shetty?

  Then, then you're just stuck doing one thing or believing one thing.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  That you only should do one thing.

• 53:37Jay Shetty?

  That you only should do and be and achieve one thing. And then I'm just like, but that's not real. And I've not seen the greats do that. And I've not seen people I admire do that. And, and also I just don't think that's realistic. So, but I feel very on purpose. And that's why I called the podcast On Purpose is because I always want to feel, am I on purpose? Like, am I going in the right direction? You know, is, you know, and that's how I feel. And my life is very on purpose and everything's intentional.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:01Jay Shetty?

  But it's not all figured out. And I think, you know, you can figure out the intention, but you can't, you can't define it. You can't expect a result.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 54:10Jay Shetty?

  You know, does that make sense? I don't know if any of that makes sense, but I'm.

• 54:13Speaker 02

  You know what's insane is that you say the most profound prolific things. And you're like, did that make sense?

• 54:18Jay Shetty?

  No, but I'm being serious because I'm just flowing and saying stuff. And I'm like.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  The flow, oh, the flow made sense, man. I'm so glad you're recording. Like, I'm glad this is being recorded so you know, you can look back and be like, I'm a genius. Yo, that was a good episode.

• 54:31Jay Shetty?

  This is a good episode because of you. But, but the other thing that really, that stuck out to me was this whole process that I was thinking about of. You have often mentioned that you even experienced like social anxiety, right? And you talk about it a lot, you address it a lot. And I think when people first see you and like what you're saying about me, like when I see you and again, what you've done, it's like, you're like, I don't know, but Liza's like confident, like she's got it figured out in the same way you were saying about me. Like when you see me, you're like, oh, but Jay's got it figured out. And it's like, I think when people hear us, like when I'm like, no, actually it's percentages and I'm figuring it out. It's not only good for everyone to hear that, it's good for me to know that. But for you to say, hey, I'm a social media person, but I've actually experienced social anxiety.

• 55:15Jay Shetty?

  Like walk me through when you felt comfortable saying that, but more importantly, like, what have you seen has helped you with that or how have you managed that?

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Oh, man. Oh, man. Good question. That's deep. Okay, we'll be back in thirty minutes. We'll be back after this short commercial break. That's actually thirty minutes long. No, I, I, I believe I'm trying to pinpoint the exact moment where I became comfortable. I think I made a video about anxiety and it was my, you know, kind of like my social thoughts. And it was very like surface level of, you know, I was trying to bring humor, integrating humor into actual like social anxiety commentary or social commentary. And it was, it was tough for me. It got especially interesting or controversial in the comments because people were like, that's not anxiety or that's not how I experience anxiety. And we all experience it in different ways, right? There's different, different, I don't even want to say levels because not, no level is worse than the other

• 56:10Speaker 01

  because there's, it's just your own experience and it's your interpretation of life or social interactions. Or, you know, some people have anxiety about death and like I've talked about many different types of anxiety. But I think that was the moment in which I, I thought comfortable and appropriate and a time for me to speak out about it was creating that video. But I do have social anxiety and I think speaking about it and even hearing people like yourself who appear to have it all figured out, just like I even said, no, Jay knows everything. To hear that, that you do or experience anxiety or nerves disarms people. And it just allows them, it humanizes you and allows you to know that you experience these other emotions outside of the confidence that I, I also. Emmit, emit.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  And it's what I strive to do is to show people that you can feel confident no matter what situation. But my social anxiety definitely became like even social media anxiety. And I was like scared to put myself out there online, which I was scared to put, in which I was scared to put myself out there in in real life. And it kind of went hand in hand. And I will say with like my social anxiety, I even was nervous coming here today. I'm even nervous, I fluctuate and flow just throughout the course of this podcast. I'm like, yo, I said that and that was dope. Wait, no, I can't say anything that tops that. I have to, I have to have something else more profound. I gotta whip out Google real quick and quote Gandhi real fast or something. I need to peak.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  Like there's waves, ebb and flow of of your mind and and so many thoughts happen per per second, per minute. And, you know, I I've, with my social anxiety, I also have a little bit of derealization where I derealize and I question reality. I think that's my like creative side of my brain going and being like, is this real? This occurred here and you're like, what was in my drink earlier? Just like, you know, you have ebb and flow of like confidence and then lowered confidence. And that can happen within the span of five minutes or a couple of days or a couple of years. And, you know, you you might stay down low for a little bit, but the fact that you know you can come back up and and when you are low to know, to think of times where you felt high and to experience that that gratitude that you you know you can feel that happy.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  That's what I I cling on to most, cling on to most. You can't feel any other feeling but gratitude when experiencing gratitude. And I'm so thankful for that because in my times of darkness, I just feel grateful that I know what light feels like. And so that's, that's what I hold on to at all times. But I forgot the question again. What happened?

• 58:35Speaker 02

  No, no, you're answering.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  Did I answer it? See, there was, there was the ebb and flow right there, just me being like, I think I said that right.

• 58:42Speaker 02

  That's like me like saying, does that make sense?

• 58:45Speaker 02

  You get what I'm saying?

• 58:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 58:46Speaker 02

  For those words?

• 58:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Like, cause in my mind, it just sounded like random words together. But no, no, you have answered the question. I think that's, I love the way that you even brought it into this podcast. And, and I think that's why we look to make, we try to have shorter phone calls. We try to message people instead of meet them. Like, this is all part of that anxiety because trying to be interesting for a long period of time is tough. Like, you know, we, or we, we put that pressure on ourselves of like, oh crap, like, I don't think I can go on this date because I've got to be interesting for 30 minutes on a date. Whereas if I just message her or him, then that's gonna, you know, whatever it is. And so I feel like we avoid, and I think just the fact that you just mentioned, sitting, you're, right now,

• 59:28Jay Shetty?

  you are sitting on a podcast, talking about how you've felt anxiety on this podcast.

• 59:33Speaker 01

  Freaking out.

• 59:33Jay Shetty?

  Right? And, and, and the ebbs and flows. And I think that's awesome because I think the beautiful thing is that when we lean away from our anxiety, that's when it gets scary. Cause we just ignore it, we try bury it, we try like push it away. But when you lean into it, and you're like, oh, I can see you, like, I see you, I, I'm aware of you. And, and I know when I feel you and when you appear in my life.

• 59:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:54Jay Shetty?

  And I know that gratitude is gonna help me. And how do you recall those grateful moments of you feeling that light? Is that, have you written them down? Do you have a men, do you have an amazing memory where you're remembering them? Is it, is it something you're wearing? Like earlier, you were talking about the T-shirt with the.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Jay Shetty?

  You know, be humble, be brave.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Be humble, be brave. I have, I have a lot of like shirts like that, that like, something just like wearing all these colors makes me feel bright.

• 1:00:17Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  It's kind of like a costume, depending, that helps me feel what I'm feeling on the inside and kind of accentuates that. So yes, I do wear like a lot of shirts that say like, be grateful, be humble, be this, be that. Um, just as a reminder to me and anybody who's, you know, receptive to reading my shirt.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Whoever has really good eyesight, sometimes really tiny and minimalistic and aesthetic in the middle of your shirt. Uh, but no, I, I have. I have a journal. I journal a lot. I journal. I also do the most millennial thing where I video diary and I make videos and I make videos in my time of even darkness where I kind of like get analytical and explain to myself how I'm feeling.

• 1:00:56Jay Shetty?

  Are these the videos we're seeing or you're making?

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  These are not the videos.

• 1:00:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's what I was saying. Yeah, because I've seen videos you've put out. I'm just like, yeah.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, and those are my, those are my more like lighthearted videos, obviously, that I, I put out there into the world. But I do have these like very intense videos where I'm like trying to figure out why I feel a certain way and it's just for me to kind of have. It's like a personal video, but I'm constantly making content. It's just a matter of whether or not you see it. But it, for me, it allows me to like emotionally release because, you know, I don't, I don't think any millennial has good handwriting. We just, we do not pick up pens or paper. Pens, I, I, the books in here are freaking me out because the amount of paper cuts that could happen. It's a dangerous place we're in right now, guys. But like I, I have, I, I don't journal as much as I do video journal, I guess. Um, or I make these own, my own versions of podcasts

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  that I'll never release. But they're, they're audio, audio of me just like working things out and, and I see myself slowly get to like a, a place of comfort and, and positivity and light again, you know, as I, you know, work through, you know, the feelings of darkness kind of thing. So I eventually get myself back. But it, it is, I did a lot of reminders. It's your posts. It's literally your posts that remind me and feed me because I, I even said before that your feed can sometimes starve you of reality, of what real life is because we're constantly scrolling and looking down. Um, and like you're looking down, how can you not feel down? That's, you know, and so, right? How can you not feel down when you're looking down at somebody else live their life and you're, you're busy watching, you know? So I, you know,

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  I, I fed my feed when I was going through that time to, uh, make sure I had that, that positive and, and perspective, you know, from others who are willing to share their stories. And I knew, you know, this is, my problems are so small and, and I'm, everything, what I'm going through is, yes. My reality, but it's so small in comparison to like how big the world is. And there's so much to see and love and experience. So yeah.

• 1:02:53Jay Shetty?

  Those are such practical tips. I love that. No, I think the video journal is such a great idea.

• 1:02:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Jay Shetty?

  I personally prefer audio and video journals to written ones.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:03:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I actually do because A, I think you're right that the handwriting point definitely, but also just the patience to build a written life. I think because we've not been used to it growing up, especially your generation, even more so the younger millennials.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:15Jay Shetty?

  And it's, we're not used to it as much. So being able to talk it out. And also what I think is really powerful is when you talk it out and then you listen as if you're listening to someone else.

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:26Jay Shetty?

  Like you can then hear your problems from a more objective point of view.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Jay Shetty?

  And so I actually think what you're saying is perfect. I think doing video or audio recordings are such a brilliant way of journaling.

• 1:03:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:36Jay Shetty?

  And I think you can hear yourself in your voice. And when you talk it out, it's like, I, I, I think that's such a smart move.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:42Jay Shetty?

  And I've not heard many people say that, but I definitely feel it's, I definitely feel that's a huge, huge thing. I recommend anyone who's listening and watching right now, if you've struggled with journaling in a written form, please take Liza's tip on doing audio and visual journals.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:03:57Jay Shetty?

  And it's such a great thing to be easily looked back upon.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. Yeah. Jay's tip too, because you do it as well, which is, it's nice. It's sometimes I'll go back and I'll watch myself like not in my power. And I'm like, I want to give her a hug. And that's the most like feeling of self compassion you got to remind yourself of too. It's like, oh, like it's okay, girl. It's gonna be all right. Like I promise you, I'm here right now. And everything inevitably turned out just okay. Like you are going to be just fine. And then I also make videos for myself where I am fully in my power and feeling confident. And make a video saying, yo, this, remind yourself of this. You see this girl right here. And like, I looked like I was making a TikTok. Plug TikTok. It's great.

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  But like I'll make videos like that even just to remind myself in times of when I'm feeling not so, not so hot. And I'll go watch that and be like, yeah, I know she exists. I can get back to her. She's in within me at all times. All right.

• 1:04:48Speaker 02

  It's nice.

• 1:04:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:50Speaker 02

  Reminder.

• 1:04:51Jay Shetty?

  Exactly. You mentioned earlier that you've learned a few things from your older sisters.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:55Jay Shetty?

  You mentioned earlier you thanked your sisters. Tell me about some of the things you've learned from both of them.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  They warned me.

• 1:05:00Jay Shetty?

  About?

• 1:05:01Speaker 02

  Their twenties.

• 1:05:02Jay Shetty?

  Oh, that's good.

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  They warned me.

• 1:05:04Jay Shetty?

  That's good sistering.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  They were in the twenties.

• 1:05:05Jay Shetty?

  Not a word, yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, sistering.

• 1:05:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 1:05:08Jay Shetty?

  I don't know, yeah, but go on.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Sounds like a good book. But yeah, no, I, they warned me about twenties being a tough time and I was eighteen, was like, well, I went through whatever I needed to go through, cause I'm fine. Don't worry, I got it figured out. And then twenty hit me like a brick. It was funny, I actually went in for this sidebar, as always, with my attention deficit disorder. But I went in to get tested for attention deficit disorder and they told me, you, you don't have ADD. No, we can't give you any medication for that. But you do have anxiety. Good luck. And like, that was it. That was the end of that doctor's appointment. And I was like, what? I was eighteen. I was like, what? Like, I don't know what you mean. Then twenty, twentieth birthday hit me.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  And I had the utmost anxiety. I had just moved out to LA. I was experiencing all this new life experiences for the first time. And anxiety just like came at me. So it was, it was definitely them, you know, warning me about twenties. And then just allowing, they told me that like, I think my middle sister, Olivia, told me that things are just like temporary. Like you have to understand that there's a lot that's, that's temporary. So with that knowledge, know to appreciate the moment when it's there and be very, very present when it's there. That's the ultimate goal. Another sidebar, dogs are amazing. That seemed random, but dogs.

• 1:06:24Jay Shetty?

  That seems very random. I was like, I was with you. My brain had to like run from like my left hand side of my brain to the right hand side to be like, what?

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Another sidebar, I'm having sushi tonight. But like sidebar, the dog thing, it's because dogs are so present. They're so, they're so just there. They're there with you at any moment. They just want to love and be loved and that's, that's all they do. So I just, whenever I say present, like if you need a grounding presence, it's a dog sometimes. So that's another tip. If you just go find a dog, go to an adoption place and go pet one, just be present with that moment. But yeah, with that information that things are temporary, to know that it's not, this is, this moment doesn't define you. It's not who you are. And, and that this too shall pass. And then also temporary, it being like experience that moment, be grateful that you're there. And, and, and so that, that's what I took away from my sisters. So grateful to.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Both of them.

• 1:07:15Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:07:16Speaker 01

  I usually talk a lot of crap about them, so this is good. This is good.

• 1:07:20Jay Shetty?

  Just before a family holiday. This is perfect, right? It's like a family holiday in one and a half weeks.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  Hype them up. By the way, they're all such, like, my whole family is like such a big fan of yours. I'm trying to figure out the right moments to geek out.

• 1:07:30Jay Shetty?

  When do I get to meet them?

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  At the next wedding. We're both brown. We're bound to end up at a same wedding at some point.

• 1:07:36Jay Shetty?

  I hope so. I'm not sure. I think you're like a cooler shade of brown. Like, I'm not sure, like, if you've got a cooler wedding.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  There's fifty shades of brown at every wedding.

• 1:07:45Jay Shetty?

  I'm tanned right now, too, so this is not, this is not the real me.

• 1:07:48Speaker 01

  You're a white boy, aren't you?

• 1:07:50Jay Shetty?

  No, I'd love to meet them. Like, I genuinely love to meet them.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  They would love to meet you.

• 1:07:53Jay Shetty?

  It would be amazing. Like, it would be so nice. I love meeting people's families because I think, you know, like, you took such a big move to move away from your family. Like, I know it was hard doing it at twenty-eight. Like, as in overall, I mean, I left earlier when I went to university and became a monk and stuff, but

• 1:08:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Jay Shetty?

  I think, like, you leaving at nineteen, twenty to come to L.A.

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Jay Shetty?

  Like, L.A. is a big, crazy place.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:16Jay Shetty?

  And, but, but it seems like you've attracted the right people around you here. Like, I feel like you've kind of, you've built a unit or a squad of people that

• 1:08:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:24Jay Shetty?

  you feel very happy around.

• 1:08:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that understand me and I understand them.

• 1:08:27Jay Shetty?

  How did you get to want to figure out who was right to have around you? Like, how did you get? Because I don't think, I don't believe people are good or bad. I just think there's right people to have around you and there's times when, it's not the right people to have around you, but how did you get a sense of figuring out who you wanted around you? Like, what was it?

• 1:08:41Speaker 01

  Yeah. That was, I mean, there's like this almost instinctual, like, gut feeling of just, like, energy and, like, sounds like such an L.A. word, but vibes, bro.

• 1:08:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:50Speaker 01

  Like vibes of, that you get from a person and you just know that that's, that those are your people. You feel the utmost sense of comfort and strength, even within the first interaction, the first minute of meeting them. And you're like, oh, you, you are someone I want around because you, you keep me. In my power and you believe in it, even if I don't. And that's what Courtney, Courtney Carter, my manager, she CMG Carter.

• 1:09:13Jay Shetty?

  Love you Courtney.

• 1:09:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, love you Courtney. If you're listening, girl, she's proud of me. She's tearing up right now. She's like, well, she's being real vulnerable.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  She, no, she is my manager, but also like, just like my partner in crime, my producing partner, my, my like best, one of my best friends. And like, I spend so many moments with her, like, that I'm, I'm so grateful for her, just period.

• 1:09:34Jay Shetty?

  She's awesome.

• 1:09:34Speaker 01

  She's amazing. And like you even, you even know in the, the, going out to dinner with her, like you just, you just know how, how much of a grounding, empowering person she is. And what a presence she is when she walks into the room. So I, I, you know, meeting her, one of the first days that I was out in LA. And it was just by chance, by fate, by destiny, by everything, the stars aligning and just me, meeting her and, and finding like my left brain. I, I say I'm the right brain. I get to be all creative and crazy and wear all these colors. And then she is the left brain who keeps me, keeps me aligned and supports me and like tells me this is logical and this is not. And I'm like, cause I was being emotional.

• 1:10:15Jay Shetty?

  I loved that you had her and she had you.

• 1:10:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:18Jay Shetty?

  Like, I loved it. Like I, I've said that to a million times. I was like, I'm so glad that someone as amazing as Liza is with you. And, and I'm so glad that Liza has someone like you, like, you know, both ways around. Like, I just think it's awesome. And I think that it's, it's so important, what you just said, like whether it's left and right brain or the right souls, that whatever it is, like however you want to word it. It's so important to have those complimentary people around us. Because it's hard to find. It's not easy at all. And, and to have found it on your first day.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Jay Shetty?

  I mean, that's insane.

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  Insane. I mean, that's, ooh, someone's looking out for me. I'm just saying, I think.

• 1:10:54Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  God's been working, man. And he brought many, many angels into my life. So I'm thankful for it. And she introduced me, I think, I can't remember. I'm a fake fan right now, but she introduced me to you, I think.

• 1:11:04Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:05Speaker 01

  And, and that's like, that was just, it's also those people that introduce you to even more good people, that it's just a chain reaction of goodness. And, and, and becomes like this whole family that you, you know, you got to choose and, and, and I'm just lucky. I'm just really, really lucky.

• 1:11:22Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful to hear that. You deserve it, though.

• 1:11:24Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:11:25Jay Shetty?

  Very happy for you. You deserve it.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:11:27Jay Shetty?

  And I only want more amazing people to come and find you and be with you.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  I wish you the same, and I curse you with all happy people in your life, good people.

• 1:11:36Jay Shetty?

  I want to dive in more into the show specifically.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:40Jay Shetty?

  The next season, because I think it's exciting from a viewer's point of view. I'm sure it's exciting from a creative. Like you said, the budget's got better. Everyone's gonna get to see you wear less clothes, which is interesting and intriguing.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  We got a good editor.

• 1:11:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  The editor has fully seen me, but we do have a good editor who censored everything. So don't worry, you're getting the taste. There's some left up to the mystery.

• 1:12:02Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Tell us, tell us about what has evolved in your character in the season two. What are we excited to see about your character?

• 1:12:11Speaker 02

  I'm excited because it's just kind of, it is and isn't a reflection of my own personal life. So like, Liza in the show has gone on many, or is going on dates and like is going out and like, ooh, she's like talking to boys and stuff. I'm working on that in real life. I don't have any dating apps. I'm not your average millennial. But, but, but hey, meeting people organically, just going to coffee shops and just ordering from the barista. You're like, hello, how are you?

• 1:12:36Jay Shetty?

  You go to coffee shops? No, no.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  I can't. I totally can't. I totally can't. It's really fun. Like, I love meeting everybody that I run into in person. It's cool to have, but yeah, I gotta try to find me a man at a coffee shop. But, um.

• 1:12:50Jay Shetty?

  Liza, head over to the coffee shop.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Starbucks on the Braille.

• 1:12:55Speaker 02

  But, but no, I, I, I think for Liza on the show, she's, you know, she's romantically evolving and like allowing herself, or emotionally evolving and allowing herself to go on these dates and like have fun. She is a little bit more established in her career. And so it's, it's her becoming comfortable with what she's doing and, and, and being confident in what she's doing. And there's more clarity for her. She's just having fun. Like, she's just like, she like knows what she's up to now. And she's like, okay, now I'm just gonna like.

• 1:13:25Speaker 01

  Go boss to the wall or ovaries to the wall, if you will, with whatever she's doing. So she's just having fun.

• 1:13:30Jay Shetty?

  I love that.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  Having a lot of fun, yeah.

• 1:13:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that. You mentioned career there is evolving. Do you feel like the show has helped you found like a newfound respect for like Uber drivers and postmate delivery people by playing the role?

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Yo, thank you for your service, everyone out there. Yeah, literally, because those are the connective tissue of my life.

• 1:13:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Postmates bringing me some food. It's crazy what we do, man. We hire personal assistants to these apps. We are so lazy and also the most hardworking generation I know.

• 1:13:58Jay Shetty?

  Nicely, nicely done.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Right? Yeah, a little slap to the face and then I'll give you a spoon. Yeah, but like it's wild like how we hire these people to do these jobs for us, for us to go about our day and it's insane, but they're, I've always had the best Uber conversations and always like get to know them and they have many parts themselves too. So like a lot of people I've seen like a printed IMDB sheet in the back of somebody's like Uber.

• 1:14:27Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 1:14:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Jay Shetty?

  I've not seen one of those yet.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  He's like, yeah, booked a couple of jobs just by having my headshots here in the backseat.

• 1:14:33Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  And like, I was like, oh, that's cool. Another woman had her daughter's headshots in the backseat. Another guy was selling his mixtape and I was like, yo, respect. I'm not gonna buy it. But it's fifteen dollars, man.

• 1:14:44Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  You got an audio download?

• 1:14:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, no one has a CD player.

• 1:14:47Speaker 01

  I was like, I don't have a CD player for this. But there's, I mean, there's so many people and they're all out there hustling. So I appreciate and like, I thank them for what they do, because I need them in my life. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:59Jay Shetty?

  What's your process for getting into character? Like, I'm intrigued because you've played so many different characters in your own world that you explain. You play this new character, like when I saw you win the streaming last year, like your award acceptance speech was just the best. So if anyone's not seen it, go and find the video on YouTube. It's up and I, I'm gonna give it away anyway, spoiler alert, but Liza literally starts it off and I was like, wow, she is so sweet and adorable and like, you know, she was like getting emotional, she was crying for winning this award and then she switches it on, like the sass turns on, the, you know, the kind of like the beast comes out, you know?

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  The beaut and the beast.

• 1:15:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I loved it and I was just like, yeah, like, how do you get into character? Like, what do you do? What's your process?

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Oh, man.

• 1:15:45Speaker 02

  Man, I'm trying to figure out, I'm not, I'm not no Daniel Day-Lewis. I'm not Daniella Day-Lewis. Yeah, I do not, I do not stay method in character or anything like that. But I was, I guess you could say, a little bit method this season in terms of my roommates, who I cast last season, a year ago. And I remember them stepping in and taking Skype calls with them and like casting them. They became my roommates in real life this year.

• 1:16:15Jay Shetty?

  No way.

• 1:16:16Speaker 02

  Camico Glenn, if you don't move your stuff out of my room, she is still living with me to this day at this moment.

• 1:16:21Jay Shetty?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:16:22Speaker 02

  And Travis Coles, who's also, he also has an amazing show out called David Makes Man. It's over at Winfrey's Network. I'm so excited for him.

• 1:16:29Jay Shetty?

  It's amazing.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and Camico too, just, they're two brilliant beasts. And I didn't know I was casting my roommates, my real roommates, let alone people who became my best friends. And like, I'm so lucky in that sense too. But it was the same like energetic energy when I met them too. I'm just like, oh, you're, yeah, you're gonna, I have to get used to you. You're gonna be around for a while. So I put up with them. And by around, I mean, they're right next door between the thin wall that I have. My, my house is structurally sound. We're doing well. But, but, but I, they're right next door in, in the other rooms. And we would go home every night, read our lines together, memorize together, light candles and like, do squats at the same. It was the most ridiculously LA thing when I looked in my living room and we were running lines

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  and doing squats and eating dinner together. Because we had to get it all done at once, because we shoot like 14 pages a day, which is like a, a gnarly amount of content to make in one day. Um, um, so it was just, it was fun. It was really fun. It was really, it was family.

• 1:17:27Jay Shetty?

  That's not, that's not common, right? Is it common for people who are on screen to go and become really, really good friends in real life?

• 1:17:33Speaker 02

  I've, I've heard from others.

• 1:17:35Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, what have you heard? I'm intrigued.

• 1:17:36Speaker 02

  I mean, I'm, I'm friendly as hell. So I, I make friends with, like, I do my best to like be friends with.

• 1:17:42Jay Shetty?

  But I'm intrigued, because you always wonder that, right? Like, when you see on. Screen romance or chemistry and people always like, oh, I wish they were together in real life and like, but even with friends, like, is that comedy? What have you heard?

• 1:17:52Speaker 01

  I've heard that, that, no, that it's a, it's a lucky.

• 1:17:55Jay Shetty?

  Professional.

• 1:17:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Series of fortunate events again, if, if you become friends, real life friends with your, with your friends on screen. And so it helps the chemistry all the more too. Like, like we're on the clock, but we're also just like in the house, just hanging out. And it's cool to like, have that real life chemistry with them. So I hope it shows on.

• 1:18:16Jay Shetty?

  No, and I, I think that's special. I definitely think that. I think it's the same in sport. Like if you're playing on a team and you don't, if you're not really friends with the people you're playing with.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:27Jay Shetty?

  I mean, like you can do the right thing.

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:29Jay Shetty?

  But it makes a difference in terms of how much you're going to enjoy when you score, or how much you're going to enjoy, you know, all of that. I think it affects the performance for sure. Cause you're going to be there. How, how long are you recording every day?

• 1:18:38Speaker 01

  Oh, truth. By the way, I was saying, yeah, all that, but I have no idea anything about sports. So I was just like, yeah.

• 1:18:42Jay Shetty?

  Well, you do, you just, you just had the Nike thing, Nike thing at VidCon.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  That was awful.

• 1:18:48Jay Shetty?

  You were playing football, soccer. You were playing real football.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  I was, I was, and it was, woo, it was an interesting.

• 1:18:55Jay Shetty?

  That's why I brought up the sport thing.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I was like, he thinks I get this right now. He thinks I understand. Keep nodding your head, smile and wave, smile and wave. Uh, no, I, I, I was so bad. I like, I had no idea how to play soccer before and they didn't tell me I was playing a full game. I thought I was just doing warmups. So I, I went into a, for context, I went into a game of soccer at Nike or with Nike at VidCon and just like, I feel like I was bad. I was really, really bad.

• 1:19:20Jay Shetty?

  Were you really, really bad? Especially cause Courtney's so good.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Courtney's a professional soccer player. So she was looking at me with, well, you know, can't all be good at things, you know?

• 1:19:29Jay Shetty?

  No, I love it. No, but I, I think that's the point I was making, sports aside.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:33Jay Shetty?

  Was I do think that chemistry of real friendship shows on screen.

• 1:19:36Speaker 01

  Truth.

• 1:19:36Jay Shetty?

  And, and I think that's beautiful because how many days, I was asking, how many hours are you filming per day?

• 1:19:42Speaker 01

  We film.

• 1:19:43Jay Shetty?

  When you're filming, how long does it take to create?

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  A little over, we'll go over 12 hours sometimes.

• 1:19:47Jay Shetty?

  In one day?

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  That's normal filming day in Hollywood in the industry is like 12 hours. And then if you go over that, you go into overtime kind of thing.

• 1:19:54Jay Shetty?

  And you're in your little trailer in between?

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  No, not really.

• 1:19:57Jay Shetty?

  No?

• 1:19:57Speaker 01

  It's like I'm in most, most scenes.

• 1:19:59Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 1:19:59Speaker 01

  So I like, I jump from one scene, okay, we wrap that scene, we'll go straight into the next.

• 1:20:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  Go to another area and film that.

• 1:20:05Jay Shetty?

  But it's 12 hours, so you're spending 12 hours with these people. It's great when they're your friends.

• 1:20:08Speaker 01

  Yep, it's really nice. I don't know if you're nice, it gets a little awkward. But no, I'm lucky, I'm lucky. We had so many conversations off camera, on set, so it was really cool.

• 1:20:17Jay Shetty?

  That's awesome.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:18Jay Shetty?

  I love that. I'm so excited to see how things are evolving and growing for you. I'm like so glad that I've met you now and I've got to know you now. I'm like, yeah, I do wish I knew you were 18, but I didn't. Our brown families didn't figure it out. But no, I'm glad that I've met you now because I'm just so excited to see everything you do. Like, I just think you're gonna have this incredible personal and professional life for decades and decades and decades. And I'm just so excited to be your friend and be there with you throughout the journey and just see it just grow and excel even more and more and more. Like, you're gonna do incredible things. And I think both from a professional point of view, but I think also from like the stuff you so effortlessly stand for. I think that's what's so powerful about you is that you so effortlessly stand for things. Like, I saw your clean beauty thing recently.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 1:21:01Jay Shetty?

  And I was just like, you know, it's like, I want you to talk about that. But I was just like, when I saw that, I was just like, you so effortlessly can stand for so many things because they're just a part of you rather than having to be an activist or an ambassador.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:13Jay Shetty?

  How do you, how do you see that responsibility that comes with having lots of

• 1:21:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Jay Shetty?

  following an audience versus like just doing what feels natural? How have you kind of balanced that?

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel like activism or, you know, whatever it may be, doesn't, I support, I mean, anybody who is standing up for something just to do that alone is just courage and bravery in itself. But for me, it's just more so like the way I was raised, the foundation I was raised on, you know, the morale that I was raised on and being, you know, eco-friendly as much as, as well as I possibly can. It's hard to do, man, there's a lot of plastic.

• 1:21:46Jay Shetty?

  It is hard.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love a good coaster. And like, you know, there's like, there's, there's. Many things that I appreciate and embody and hope to do that even with this clean beauty brand that is all natural ingredients, organic, like the story behind that is that is one I'm looking forward to sharing even more, but like I had eczema growing up and melosca, which if you don't know what that is.

• 1:22:06Jay Shetty?

  I had eczema too.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  Did you? Yeah, I feel like everybody did. We had rough patches, like literal rough patches. We went through those rough patches and now we found out like over time after many like product dating and testing, you you figure out what works for your skin. And some people are like, yeah, I just wash it with water. I'm like, you disgust me. Get out. You saving so much money. Damn you. But like you, I started using Saint Moi, which was is the beauty brand and it's it's an amazing brand that just is all natural ingredients. There's no animal testing and like I hope that's a revolution in the beauty industry to just, you know, switch over into this entirely vegan line. Everybody's worried about the vegan food they're consuming, what they're putting on the inside. What about the outside too? Your skin that sits on your face. So

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  so just to have that, I'm excited to embrace and encourage others and empower people to use, you know, all that kind of veganism inside and out.

• 1:22:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I love that.

• 1:22:59Speaker 01

  Although I'm not vegan, I won't lie. I love some chicken.

• 1:23:03Jay Shetty?

  I love that. No, but it's it's awesome that I just I really I really mean what I said. Like, I just think this is just the beginning. Even though for you, it probably feels like twenty twenty three years. It's like, but it's like, it's like, I just see it.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  I haven't started yet. What do you mean?

• 1:23:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, like, you know, yeah, you're like, why are you putting me back at the beginning? Do you understand what I've done? Like, no, and I don't mean it that way at all. I really mean it in the sense of just like, I think you're just gonna, I think you're gonna have such a big impact on the world and you already are in incredible ways bigger than most people have already. And I'm just so excited to see it continue and grow and evolve. And I just want you to know that right here as a friend and, you know, here for you, you know, I want you to know that, like, I mean that because. Yeah, you're special and it's gonna be so, so exciting to watch for all of us. So I'm glad I get to witness.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  Thank you. Like, you have no idea, like, you say you're here for me, but you've, you've been here for me. You have no idea like how, how many times you have like saved me in that sense of, of falling into like a pit. So I thank you for that. You were a hand when you weren't even physically there, but hey, so follow him on Instagram if he's available.

• 1:24:07Jay Shetty?

  Call me up next time. That's what I'm gonna say. I don't wanna see no little more likes on Instagram. I wanna see phone calls and voice notes.

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  Yes, but I'm grateful, I'm grateful for you, man, and I'm excited for you. Thank you for letting me be a part of your journey. So I'm, I'm so happy to be here and be.

• 1:24:21Jay Shetty?

  So we, we end every interview with what I call the final five. This is the final five, quick fire, rapid fire round. I promise you there were no surprises, but I lied.

• 1:24:28Speaker 01

  Oh, you did.

• 1:24:29Jay Shetty?

  Learning about me.

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Bring it. Challenge accepted. Here we go.

• 1:24:32Jay Shetty?

  These are, so you can answer in max one word or one sentence. I know you're the queen of games, like.

• 1:24:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I talk way too long. You guys know that now.

• 1:24:39Jay Shetty?

  So, okay, so question number one, what's your weirdest habit?

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Hmm, hmm, hmm, my weirdest habit. How much time do I have to answer these? Oh, man, I think just life itself, maybe, maybe it's, um.

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Oh, oh, the way I eat, um, um, the left and right Twix. I bite off all the chocolate and then I suck off the caramel and then I eat the cookie inside. That's gross.

• 1:25:07Jay Shetty?

  I used to do the same thing. I don't eat Twix anymore.

• 1:25:10Speaker 01

  It's this brown mentality where we're like, this is all I have.

• 1:25:12Jay Shetty?

  I used to do it with Kit Kats as well. I used to eat the surroundings and then eat the top layer.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:17Jay Shetty?

  I used to eat on Twix. No, it's the best way to eat a Twix. I get it.

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  You get to enjoy it. You get to enjoy just the chocolate and just the caramel and just, although they're beautiful together.

• 1:25:23Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Okay, okay, awesome. That's question number one. Second question, if you could invent your dream barbecue sauce, what would it be made of?

• 1:25:30Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. I was just talking about this earlier. In Tex-Mex, I mean, in Texas, we have Tex-Mex. You asked the perfect person this question. In Texas, we have this fajita meat that is marinated in pineapple and lime juice. This is not a one word answer. Oopsies. And so pineapple, lime, some kind of tangy, sweet and sour sauce that also has a spicy kick at the end. I think that would be it.

• 1:25:56Jay Shetty?

  That sounds great.

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:57Jay Shetty?

  Sounds like a great sauce.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Is that a good, yeah?

• 1:25:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's a great sauce. I want it right now.

• 1:26:00Speaker 01

  Did you want the name for it?

• 1:26:01Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you can give me a name for it.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Curry spice. We put some kind of curry in there too.

• 1:26:07Jay Shetty?

  I love it.

• 1:26:07Speaker 01

  Something, something.

• 1:26:08Jay Shetty?

  Awesome. Question number three. This is, actually I'll end this one. So who on your team is the one to tell you no? Like who's?

• 1:26:18Speaker 01

  Me.

• 1:26:19Jay Shetty?

  Ah.

• 1:26:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. I recently just, I even found out about this word, no. And, and I started using it maybe when I was like 22 and, and, and I got real excited about it. Now I say no.

• 1:26:29Jay Shetty?

  I love it. Awesome, awesome. I had to ask you this because I saw this years ago before we knew each other, obviously, because it was a while ago. But how does Obama smell?

• 1:26:39Speaker 01

  Like, um, he just smells like, like, like really, really clean laundry. Like he just did it. He washed that shirt over and over and over again. So that when someone did ask, what did he smell like? He was like, they're gonna say clean laundry. Yeah.

• 1:26:55Jay Shetty?

  That's what he wanted.

• 1:26:57Speaker 01

  Also like, like a little bit like, like, like a forest, like, like, like a mystical forest with like fog and like a deer, like in the distance, you know?

• 1:27:05Jay Shetty?

  Sounds like his hair.

• 1:27:07Speaker 01

  He's incredible.

• 1:27:09Jay Shetty?

  That must've been awesome. What an experience.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  What an experience. Basically like a, like a dryer sheet in the woods. That's what Obama smells like.

• 1:27:16Jay Shetty?

  Amazing. This is your fifth and final question.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:27:20Jay Shetty?

  So you said you like, love this quote, "Success is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." So why that quote? Why is that quote so powerful for you?

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that. I, because I've, and I think we all do sometimes with our, with self doubt and whatnot. We consider certain things or certain experiences or moments to be failures. And if you let that failure bring you down, sure, you can spiral. And yes, I encourage you to lean into the feeling of whatever you're feeling. But if you, if you allow that, if you won't let your, won't let yourself live that moment down, you're gonna just feel down forever, you know? And, and so to not lose enthusiasm and to keep believing in yourself and have this quote unquote, delusional confidence, then you can keep going. And that's what makes you successful is not letting those moments of failures define you, but just to keep going and, and, and believing that you have so much to say

• 1:28:12Speaker 01

  and, and you're gonna keep saying it no matter what your mind says about you, your mouth. I like to say that though. Recently I've, I've discovered that your mind can either live in the past or the future, but your mouth lives in the present and it speaks truth.

• 1:28:24Jay Shetty?

  That's so good.

• 1:28:25Speaker 01

  I made Jay Shetty, ooh.

• 1:28:28Jay Shetty?

  That is so good.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:29Jay Shetty?

  You need to post that.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  I'm working on that.

• 1:28:31Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, go on, say it again, sorry. Say it again, I cut you off, I got too excited.

• 1:28:34Speaker 01

  No, you're good, I love that, it was like a little cheerleading moment. Thank you, thank you. But like, your mouth speaks the truth and you're able to speak your reality. My mind might be saying, oh no, you're not doing well on the podcast right now, you're not, this isn't, what you're saying is not profound enough for Mr. Jay Shetty. No, my mind, my mouth is saying, a little bit of a stutter, but my mouth is saying, no, I have something important to say and I'm going to say it and perhaps Jay will ooh. And he did, and so he did. So that's the mind, the mind and the mouth, man.

• 1:29:02Jay Shetty?

  That's such a powerful way of putting it. I've never had anyone say that before, that's amazing.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  I say things, I say things.

• 1:29:07Jay Shetty?

  No, you said so many things, like, I just, first of all, I just want to say, everyone who's been listening and watching, there have been so many practical gems and like, wisdom drops that you've given everyone, like, I'm going back to the ones that I've remembered and there's a ton more and I want you guys to find them and share your favorite ones on Instagram and tag us both, but here are a few that stood out to me. Disarm, don't defend or display disarm, right? This is what Liza was telling us, when we meet someone, we can disarm the other person and disarm ourselves to be our best selves. Delusional confidence, right? Liza was talking about like, having the ability to just go beyond what we think is possible and like, being able to realize that there's an aspirational version of ourselves. You're hearing the mouth, I mean, this mouth and mind is like blowing my mind right now.

• 1:29:51Jay Shetty?

  I'm like, I'm gonna use that everyone quote you again and again and again. I'm gonna put it on my book.

• 1:29:57Speaker 01

  I just peaked, you're watching my peak right now, y'all.

• 1:29:59Jay Shetty?

  I love that, like, I think it's such, it's so much truth because we believe everything our mind says, but if your mouth said something different, you could believe that and that could change your mind, like.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  It could be.

• 1:30:09Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 1:30:10Speaker 01

  It's happening, yeah.

• 1:30:11Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, and this is one you can hear out loud. So, I love that. So many takeaways in this whole episode, thank you, Liza. We're so excited for Liza on Demand Season 2. I want everyone to go watch it on YouTube. It's gonna be amazing and I want everyone to watch it just to witness this incredible. Burst of energy and soul that that everyone gets to all the goodness and and you've always said right like your content is always been to make people smile, happy, laugh, give them some positive outlet. And that's all Liza's own demands doing in a bigger, better way.

• 1:30:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, please tune in. But you keep tuning into Jay's podcast. Okay, I'm just saying it is literally, I was listening to one on the way here. I was prepping myself for it. You know, that's how I get into character. So I study the character I'm about to sit across the table with. But yeah, but thank you.

• 1:30:58Jay Shetty?

  I like it. I like it. And I'm gonna ask you this because you're such a dear friend and I and I want to be able to tell you, is there anything that I didn't let you talk about today that you'd love to share or anything you're like, Jay, I really wanted to share this, but you didn't let me or I didn't get to ask.

• 1:31:10Speaker 02

  Oh, nah, I like I legitimately like shared more than I thought I was going to.

• 1:31:16Jay Shetty?

  Amazing. Okay, good. I wanted to ask you as a friend, like as

• 1:31:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, straight up.

• 1:31:20Jay Shetty?

  Looking out for my friend.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  This stays in the podcast.

• 1:31:23Jay Shetty?

  I think we went everywhere. Yeah, no, it does.

• 1:31:25Speaker 02

  Oh, does? Oh, really? Okay, okay. No, no.

• 1:31:27Jay Shetty?

  I think we went everywhere. I just I always ask that because I just wanna, yeah.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:31Jay Shetty?

  I love you and I want I want this to be good for you. So it's like, like I told you yesterday, like, the whole goal with the podcast is people already love you. How can they love you more? Like, that's the goal, right? That's all it is.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  Aw, man. Well, my people pleasing side loves to hear that. You can love me more? Well, yeah, thank you.

• 1:31:45Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. Thanks, everyone for listening and watching. I'd love for you to pick whichever Liza wisdom drop stood out to you and put it on on Instagram, tag us both so we can see what you've taken away. I love seeing what you're learning. I love seeing what you're growing through. And remember, please, please, please go and support my amazing friend Liza for her new show. Share the show with others. It's gonna be phenomenal to watch. I can't wait for you to see it. I'm excited to watch it myself. Thank you so much for listening. I'll see you again next week.

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