Part Two: 95% of Your Life Runs on a Program You Never Chose. Dr. Bruce Lipton on Rewiring Belief in Minutes, Why Quantum Physics Says You’re a Creator, and Why Science Now Calls Spirituality Real

Bruce H. Lipton, Ph. D. (former medical school professor, epigenetics pioneer, and bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and Beyond Darwin) returns to explain why he believes humanity is living through an unprecedented evolutionary crisis, why today's global chaos may actually be the necessary breakdown before an extraordinary breakthrough—and asks the unsettling question: How far can humanity be pushed before it changes? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, we explore the revolutionary science of epigenetics, why your genes account for less than 1% of disease, how environmental signals control your biology, and why Dr. Lipton argues that you are far more powerful than your DNA. He explains how consciousness shapes epigenetics, why our subconscious programming determines so much of our lives, and reveals practical ways to rewrite that programming through self-hypnosis and other powerful techniques. Bruce also dives into the fascinating intersection of Quantum Physics and spirituality, discussing whether everything is truly energy, whether physical reality is ultimately an illusion, whether spirit can be understood through quantum science, why he believes we cannot truly die, why karma is a biological reality, how many souls exist in the universe, whether souls choose to come to Earth to learn, and even whether a soul can switch bodies during a lifetime. He shares his own recent health challenges and how he applied The Biology of Belief to his recovery, explains why ignoring your life's purpose can manifest as emotional and physical struggles, recounts his personal experience with psilocybin, and reveals what it feels like to meet your energetic match. Bruce also discusses why love is the highest creative force, how it allows us to create "Heaven on Earth," why we need physical bodies to fully experience love, why cooperation (not competition) is humanity's greatest evolutionary advantage, and why the belief that life is meant to be a struggle is one of our biggest collective illusions. We also explore why alternative healing methods remain largely absent from mainstream education, the urgent new professions Dr. Lipton believes society must create to help humanity sustain Earth's ecosystem, how we unconsciously download limiting beliefs from those around us, four practical ways to reprogram the subconscious and create coherence between mind and reality, and why a lack of knowledge ultimately becomes a lack of power. If you've ever wondered whether science and spirituality can finally meet, this conversation may completely change the way you see yourself, and reality itself! Dr. Bruce Lipton’s latest book, Beyond Darwin: How Epigenetics, Quantum Science, and Cooperation Shape Humanity’s Future: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Beyond-Darwin/Bruce-H-Lipton/9781637749364 Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:04Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Iyan Bialik.

• 0:05Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to part two of our conversation with Dr. Bruce Lipton. We're discussing beyond Darwin, how epigenetics, quantum science, and cooperation shape humanity's future. What if everything that we have been told about health, disease, death, and even reality is actually not the whole story? Dr. Lipton is going to explain it all.

• 0:28Jonathan Cohen?

  In part two of this conversation, we describe how love can be a transformational force to allow us to experience heaven on earth and overcome our previous programming.

• 0:39Mayim Bialik?

  What are we here in Earth School to understand? And how can we reprogram and create coherence between our mind and the reality that we're living?

• 0:48Jonathan Cohen?

  All this in part two of our conversation with Dr. Bruce Lipton.

• 0:52Mayim Bialik?

  Break it down.

• 0:55Jonathan Cohen?

  We've had near-death experiencers who have gone to the other side, been dead for sometimes minutes, sometimes hours or longer. And they've seen souls lining up. Imagine this massive set of multiple screens where they're witnessing events of their life and then possible new events that they can sign up for, making a choice, and then coming back to Earth.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  That is beautiful, because I didn't say it, but the idea was this. At the beginning, actually, I said, we got these genes. If you really want my opinion of it, we selected these genes. We selected our parents and the environment because we came in with a mission. And that would be fulfilled by having these parents in this world, in this environment.

• 1:52Mayim Bialik?

  So everyone has a mission?

• 1:54Speaker 02

  At some level, yeah. And the mission would be what? Return to the harmonic balance that we came from. Why? Harmony is health and happiness. This harmony is acquired through our experiences where we sent back vibes from life experiences that altered the original vibe, karma. And then, but I said, what would happen if we all found our vibe? We have been programmed to believe if you have a really good life and you die, you can go to heaven. I really want to change that. I want to change it because I say, I believe we are born into heaven.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  This is the place of creation. If you ask 100 people, tell me what your vision of heaven is, you can get 100 definitions. Here, you can manifest those definitions. And you have a mechanism to do so. And it's the body. The body allows me to move. The brain allows me to move where and what I want to do with it. Okay? So the body is a mechanism to create. I can build. I can do all these things. Why the body? It converts experience into sensation. Love is a feeling. Love can be a definition. And I can give you a whole definition that has no feeling at all.

• 3:23Speaker 02

  It's a definition. Feeling love is not defining love in those words. It's an experience of love, of anger, jealousy, happiness. These are derived from the nervous cells in our body that are taking in through receptors and then translating the experience into vibration coming from the brain, which is now being sent back to source. You want to know what love feels like? You don't have a body, it's not the same. Okay? So we came here for experiencing this. And it's interesting.

• 4:08Speaker 02

  I bring this up a lot. Many people have seen the movie The Matrix. And it's, oh, it's science fiction. I go, no, no, no. It's a documentary. They go, what do you mean? I said, we're supremists. Everybody's programmed. They go, oh, that's a scientific reality. For seven years of your life, your brain is in a state of hypnosis. You are programmed. Okay? But the part that I love, the wake-up part, just from the way I'm going to present it, is you can take a red pill and you can get out of the program. Almost everybody who's listening today has taken that red pill at least once. I go, what was that red pill? And here's what it is.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  Why am I playing the programs? And the answer is because my mind, through my conscious mind, wants to manifest its wishes and desires. So first thing, look at your body as a vehicle, and your eyes are looking out the windshield. And when you're in your conscious mind, you have the hands on the steering wheel, and you're going towards wishes and desires, conscious mind. But here's the problem, and this is the blowway why the whole damn thing is upside down, is that the mind can think. Thoughts are inside, not outside. The moment you're thinking,

• 5:35Speaker 02

  your conscious mind is no longer looking out the windshield. It's inside looking for thought. I go, well, what if you're driving a car? And all of a sudden, you're saying, well, when I get to the store, I'm going to buy this and that. And I'm saying, you're thinking. Guess what? You're not driving the car. Why? You're not looking out the window. And so why is that important? The car is driving pretty well. Who's driving the car? The subconscious is a hard drive, not creative. It's a habit mind. It's a programmed mind. You taught it how to drive the car, a habit.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  So when I'm thinking, I'm not paying attention, my subconscious, a million times more powerful information processor, is driving my car safely, if I was programmed safely. Okay? So the whole idea is this. Ah, so when I'm thinking, I'm not running a show. I go, right. And I go, and here's the number. 95% of the day is the amount the average person is thinking. With 95% of the day, you are not running your show. I said, what's running the show? I said, you've been programmed. You've been programmed how to live a life. How? For seven years, you downloaded program

• 7:03Speaker 02

  by observing your parents, observing your community, and downloading in a state of hypnosis, the behavior to be a member of a family and the behavior to be a member of a community. Now you've got programs. Okay? How to react? Then I say, 95% of the day, those are the programs that control your life. And more than half are disempowering, self-sabotaging, and limiting programs we downloaded. And if they're self-destructive, disempowering, you won't see it. I go, what do you mean? How can you see the program if you're thinking? Because when you're thinking, you're not paying attention. So the program that's coming out,

• 7:46Speaker 02

  you're the one that doesn't see the program, but everybody else does. And you have no idea you're playing a program. But then you see the people responding to you messing with your life. I didn't do it. They did. You didn't understand. They were responding to your program. And I've been through this how many years? Same story, because it's not a better one. So I'll say it because it's great. You have a friend. You know your friend's behavior very well. You happen to know your friend's parent. One day, you see your friend has the same behavior of the parent, and you want to tell your friend.

• 8:27Jonathan Cohen?

  The alternative is that you see the parent, and they have tried to make their behavior so opposite to the parent that they're actually having a maladaptive adjustment in the other direction.

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that takes the conscious a lot of effort. The programs you're going to play, 95% are straight out of the program machine. And there's more than half of them are self-destructive. So it does make a difference. At some point, you're going to be self-destructive in the process. But the point about it is... So 95% of the day, my life is coming from a program. So I said, okay, you see your friend has the same behavior as their parent. I love it because that's when you offer, Bill, you're just like your dad. And then I say, back away from Bill because I know what Bill is gonna say. He's gonna say what? He's gonna say, how can you compare me to my dad? I'm nothing like my dad.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  And it's funny because everybody else can see that Bill is using that behavior. He downloaded from his dad. The only one who can't see is Bill. And then the big global picture is we are all Bill.

• 9:36Mayim Bialik?

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• 13:45Speaker 02

  We are doing this every day, and we are looking as victims because we've been programmed.

• 13:53Jonathan Cohen?

  She tells me this all the time.

• 13:55Mayim Bialik?

  I say, you're like my dad. That's a different story.

• 14:00Speaker 02

  Oh, she has some balance between your vibes.

• 14:03Mayim Bialik?

  You've got the HLA profile like my dead father.

• 14:07Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, here's actually a very esoteric question, and then we're gonna get to a couple of very practical

• 14:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 14:14Jonathan Cohen?

  things, because people want to know, number one, how do we change it? How do we reprogram ourselves?

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Oh, you want to...

• 14:21Jonathan Cohen?

  We want the playbook, which we're gonna give people.

• 14:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:23Jonathan Cohen?

  But let's get a little bit esoteric for a second.

• 14:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:26Jonathan Cohen?

  Can souls switch midlife? Meaning, you know, there's something that... We did an episode that came out mid-June called Earth School, which talks about how Earth, across all the ancient traditions, was a place where souls came to learn lessons of all...

• 14:47Speaker 02

  Hey, that sounds like what we just said.

• 14:48Jonathan Cohen?

  Okay. Right?

• 14:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:50Jonathan Cohen?

  And we go through this episode where we're pointing out each one of the ancient texts that was developed with no connection to one another in different parts of the world and how they came to these same ideas. So either it's a collective creative imagination or there's some form of truth in it. I would say the latter. But an idea that also emerged is the notion that either through profound change, spiritual change, or through injury, sometimes people have such a profound change that it feels like they're almost such a different person that there's been a soul switch. Like, they've changed a broadcast so fundamentally that they're actually a different person. Do you think that's possible?

• 15:33Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And I think something like schizophrenia is what? Proteins modulate, they vibrate, okay? But they can be altered to a degree. And if I'm receiving a station, let's say, on these six antennas, and then one of them alters, now I'm downloading a different broadcast. And I will become somewhat different by that download, okay?

• 16:00Jonathan Cohen?

  And what if it's not schizophrenia? What's actually, if it's for a positive change?

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Ah, okay. Because it was a program, and something in your life drastically altered the program. Now, there are three natural ways to change the program. The fourth one is what you brought up. It happened because of some event you had no control over, but it shocked your system so much that it was like, boom, I'm different. And it was a shock. Can I control that? No. Does it happen? Yes.

• 16:34Mayim Bialik?

  So what are the other three?

• 16:36Speaker 02

  The first thing is, how did you get a program? And the answer is, in the first seven years of your life, your brain was not vibrating at the level of consciousness. It was vibrating at a lower frequency called theta. Theta is characterized as imagination. That's how a child under seven lives in the real world and the imaginary world at the same time.

• 17:01Mayim Bialik?

  And this is a kind of a dreamy state that, like, the Waldorf schools and Rudolph Steiner identified as we develop in these seven-year phases. And the first seven years are dedicated, you know, from an educational perspective, to fantasy, to a dreamlike state. It's why, you know, Waldorf families, we don't teach writing and reading and alphabet even.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  That's a different part of the brain.

• 17:24Mayim Bialik?

  Right, exactly. So these first seven years, but this is what you're saying, is that you're in a state where you are receiving, correct?

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Yes. You're receiving, you're not conscious, okay? And you're recording, okay? So I can have imaginary friends. I can talk to them. As I always say, I love it because so many people experience, the tea party, where you poured nothing into the cup. You drank nothing, but it was the best damn tea you ever had. That is theta. And theta is hypnosis at the same time. So a character is imagination, a quality is hypnosis, okay? So I say, well, can you do hypnosis? I say, yeah, hypnosis is hypotherapy, okay?

• 18:16Speaker 02

  But more importantly, we can do it called self-hypnosis. I go, where is that? I say, remember, theta is a vibration of the brain, a frequency. It's a lower frequency than consciousness. So as the brain is evolving, first it goes through the theta phase, but then it acquires higher vibration. Alpha is the next higher vibration. That's called calm consciousness. Then the vibration shoots up again, and it's called beta. And that's the schoolroom thinking, working consciousness. And in fact, it can even go up one higher called gamma.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  And gamma is the highest form, is peak performance. A pilot of an airplane.

• 19:07Mayim Bialik?

  Is that flow state or different?

• 19:09Speaker 02

  It's a flow, yeah. It's like, there's so much going on, and you're in charge. I'm landing an airplane. I fly the airplane on beta.

• 19:21Mayim Bialik?

  Got it.

• 19:21Speaker 02

  I land it on gamma.

• 19:23Mayim Bialik?

  Right. So we were saying, ways, the ways that reprogramming happens. So then you have those first seven years of your life was one of them.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  If you can get into theta, you can get in a program. That's it. So you have these higher vibrations while you're awake.

• 19:35Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  But the moment you fall asleep, the brain vibration goes down to the next lower realm, theta. So immediately after you fall asleep, immediately, consciousness disconnect, theta in. If you put earbuds in your earphones on and you play a program that you want to be true in your life, health, relationship, job, self-help program, okay?

• 20:05Speaker 02

  And as you go to bed, you put those earbuds in. And you start the program while you're awake. You'll hear from a program. And then, as you fall asleep, the program is playing. You don't hear it anymore.

• 20:21Mayim Bialik?

  But you're receiving.

• 20:22Speaker 02

  Theta is downloading.

• 20:24Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  So it's called self-hypnosis, repetition. It takes a while because you're not in theta for a very long period of time. It's so short before you hit the next lowest one, delta, unconscious. Okay? So first one, self-hypnosis. You got, that's how you got the program day one. Okay? Number two, you've still got programs after age seven. Learn how to drive that car. Learn how to play a music instrument. How'd you learn that? Because it becomes a habit. Because you repeated it. It's repetition, habituation. You want to change something, then generate a new habit.

• 21:06Jonathan Cohen?

  So it's action in the world.

• 21:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, because now you're, and you create what you want. If you want to change it, what do I want? The funny one, which makes the rounds in the new age circle is fake it till you make it. If you're not happy, what do you do? All day long, as many times as you can, you say to yourself, I am happy. I am happy. I am happy. What are you doing? Habituating a program, I am happy. And if you repeat it enough times, you wake up one day and you're happy. Why? Now it's the program subconscious and can play 95% of the day. A very important thing that should be mentioned here.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  The function of the mind is to create coherence between your belief and your reality. If you have a negative belief, the function of the mind is to manifest the negative reality. If you have a positive belief, then you manifest a positive reality. And all of a sudden, it says, well, that's the function of the mind, but it's based on the belief. And I said, well, you guys have a belief program. Okay? And then, but you can program yourself. Ah! Because at that moment, then I can program it. You, having been an actor. An actor.

• 22:34Speaker 02

  Number one, learn the script. But number two, learn the character. And practice the character. And you can become the character.

• 22:47Mayim Bialik?

  But you don't need to be an actor to do that. That's what we're all doing.

• 22:51Speaker 02

  Actors do this on a normal basis. And consummate actors become a character so, so much that it changes their lives.

• 23:02Jonathan Cohen?

  People will say, I'm not really my authentic self. I'm always faking it or masking it. But in a way, what we're saying is to inhabit a character that you want to create and then put that out in the world. How, where's the delta between, I want to find out who I actually am, but who I am might have been programmed to be miserable?

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Who cares? Who cares? What is it you want, not what you got? That's the important one. I can change what I have. Let's just jump to number three for a moment. Okay? Number one, self-hypnosis, theta. Number two, repetition, habituation. And number three is a new version of psychology called energy psychology. It's a process that engages something called super learning. Super learning. You go, what's that? I go, a child's under seven is a super learner. A child under seven can live in a family where there are three languages spoken.

• 24:04Speaker 02

  And in the process, before age seven, learn all three languages. But then try and teach the kid one language when they're 10 or 11 or 12.

• 24:15Jonathan Cohen?

  Or 46, that's very hard.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  Well, that's even harder. I was here, what was the point? There was a point where I could easily learn three. And then there's a point where I could have trouble learning one. What happened? And the answer is, that's the way we learn authors at age seven.

• 24:36Mayim Bialik?

  It's also plasticity, right?

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Well, this is where the relearning comes in. That's the plastic part. So I said, well, how do you relearn? I said, well, what if you can get back into super learning?

• 24:49Mayim Bialik?

  This is where a lot of people are engaging in, you know, psychedelic assisted therapy. Ketamine is one of them.

• 24:56Jonathan Cohen?

  Iboga.

• 24:56Mayim Bialik?

  Iboga and Ibogaine. We spoke to Rick Doblin about this.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  Hey, go be on a show, psilocybin, right away.

• 25:01Mayim Bialik?

  Right. So, so the idea being that if we can put our brains back, you know, even temporarily, in some sort of flexible neuroplastic state, that maybe we can learn to, you know, fill in the blank. We can learn to love ourselves again. We can learn to not be depressed. We can learn to cure our autoimmune disease.

• 25:18Speaker 02

  Fantastic, because it's true. And this is how did we get to the psychedelics? It didn't start in the street. Especially with pharmaceutical version, like ecstasy. Okay? It's a laboratory experiment. And then it starts to realize, oh, my God, if I, if I use LSD, an alcoholic can lose alcoholism in a couple of sessions with LSD. Or magic mushrooms. If I have this problem, I can change it. Because it opens up the opportunity to see outside of this body and to look into this body. And so it's a facilitation.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  People say, well, oh, no, that's so impure. You could do it through meditation. I go, yeah, you can do it through meditation. How much time are you going to do? How long is it going to take you to do it?

• 26:15Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, Paul Stamets cured a lifelong stutter in one session of psilocybin.

• 26:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:20Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, it was an accidental dose, but still, it took away his stuttering.

• 26:24Speaker 02

  Honestly, I took psilocybin, not as a young kid. I missed it. And see, and that was what the cool part was. I was 40, 40 years old. I was a scientist already. So when I took it, it was an experience, not like a party. It wasn't a party. It was like, oh, my God, I am outside of this system. And I can see a picture of my life.

• 26:51Mayim Bialik?

  It's a tool, yeah.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  It was a tool. And the things I saw were fundamental and became fundamental in my research. And what I saw, what most people have out of body, my wasn't in a body. I went in my body. I saw myself. I saw them working. I saw them, I was irritated because at that moment, my life wasn't really going that well. And when I was in there in my body and I was watching myself, they were having a party. And I was saying, gosh, I'm out here beating my head against the wall. You guys are having a good time. And that's, and it's the first time where I learned from that moment. It was fun because I was in communication.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  And I said, I'm doing this for you. What do you do for me? That's when I experienced all my receptors turned on at once. All the sensation came in by body. It was so intense that I couldn't breathe for a minute. I fell on the floor. And I remember getting back up, getting back to that place. And I said, thank you. You give me sensation. And that was a fundamental piece of learning that I got from that. And the relevance is that, did I see some? Actually, I saw things I didn't know existed at that time.

• 28:16Mayim Bialik?

  Like what?

• 28:17Speaker 02

  Cells light up like, like a laser show. There's lights all over them going on. It's called bio photons.

• 28:24Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 28:25Speaker 02

  I didn't know about them. Okay? And when I saw those cells, I was like, wow. Wow, look how pretty, look at all these lights. It was like going above an amusement park with Ferris wheel lights spinning.

• 28:40Mayim Bialik?

  The question would be, how could you experience something, right? That you didn't yet know existed unless it existed, right? In the field.

• 28:47Speaker 02

  And then I found out there was a reason why.

• 28:49Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 28:50Speaker 02

  Is the body runs on electron chain transport, moving electron from A to B to C. Fact of physics, which I learned. Every time an electron is passed, it gives off a photon of light. And all of a sudden, I said, oh, my God, I visually saw electron chain transport. Without knowing it.

• 29:13Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  And I thought it was still, oh, that was an hallucination.

• 29:16Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, I, I usually say neuroscience is the best science because, you know, that's what I studied. But biochemistry is a close second, you know? Being able to see all of these, these processes in that way. That's what makes us us.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  That was, to me, was like a shock. Because all of a sudden, I said, I saw something that was real that I didn't even know existed at the level of a self.

• 29:38Mayim Bialik?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  And so I felt pretty good about the rest of it. But, oh, I could have maybe done this with meditation. I said, yeah, maybe a hundred years, I don't know, but I can do it tonight. A new modification of psychology, energy psychology, does not give a damn about the past. Why? I have a program. I say, yeah, how do I get it? From my experience in the past. So you want to talk about the past? I said, what are you doing? Reactivating the damn program that I already have. I don't have to go backwards. I have to go forward. So I have to say what I want to do. I said, first I have to know my program so I know what I can change.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  And then I say, well, how do you know what your program is? I said, why? Well, first of all, you were being programmed three months before you were born. Tell me what the program was. Oh, wait, you were programmed the whole year from zero to one. What program did you get? Wait, you were programmed all the, a year from one to two. Tell me the program. I have no idea. Now I'm going to tell you how you can tell what the programs are. Your life is programmed 95% of the time. Simple point. The things you like that come into your life, they come into your life because you have a program to support those things. But. The things you work hard at, the things you struggle over, the things you put effort into. I'm sweating over it.

• 31:07Speaker 02

  I'm gonna make it happen. I'm gonna be a success. I'm working. Why are you working so hard? And the answer, whatever that destination, whether it's losing weight, finding a relationship, wherever, if you're having trouble, it's not because you can't have it. It's because your program doesn't support it. And you're trying to override the program. I go, that is a bitch. Why? It's a bitch. It's running 95% of the time with a computer that's a million times more powerful than the conscious mind which can be programmed. So I say, well, how can I facilitate? I say, get back into a super learning state.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  And then you can download like that kid below seven. And you can change the belief you had your whole life in minutes, walk away. I emphasize this usually by bringing up the very important quote, necessity is the mother of invention. And I say, why? I say, we're facing an upheaval of a civilization. And it's based, we have to change the way we are living. Because the way we are living is self-destructive. So I say, well, how much time do you have? I say, you don't have a lot of time. So, energy psychology coming in at this time is offering an ability to change a belief in minutes.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  There's different modalities. So I just want to offer this because I'm not going over it right now. My website, very simple, brucelepton.com. Under belief change modalities, under resources, I have about 25 different versions of energy psychology, offering a description paragraph or two and a website. So if you're interested in this, go to the website, read some of these things. If it won't interest you, go to the website. But, does it work? 100%. You know, going back to personal life, my mother and father had a very dysfunctional relationship.

• 33:18Speaker 02

  I'm seven, you're below seven, watching, my father is my role model, watching his behavior. My mother is the partner that I want because it masters my father in that sense, okay? But I'm watching my father's behavior. I'm downloading it hypnotically, okay? Well, it was dysfunctional. And then every time I started to get into a relationship, it would break up. Why? Because I would start playing my father's program. And then, that takes us back, which I don't think I got back to, is that red pill. When you take the red pill, you get out of the program. And I said, and what would happen if you're not playing the program?

• 34:03Speaker 02

  I said, you fell in love. I said, and what was that? The honeymoon. What was that? Heaven on earth. Well, it was there all the time, folks, except the program didn't offer it.

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• 35:47Mayim Bialik?

  It's completely risk-free with a 30-day money-back guarantee. Check the link in today's episode description to get started. Well, I guess one question I would have, you know, a lot of people are working on, let's say, defects of character, defaults of character. What does that mean? If someone finds themselves, let's say, you know, really stuck, let's say they're judgmental or they're critical of other people. You don't, you're not saying that it's your destiny to be critical. But if you're really working against that and you don't want to be that person anymore, what's that?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  What do you do when you are now being confronted with this? This is the pause, this is where the resolution has to come from.

• 36:27Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Not the experience of it.

• 36:28Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  It's what I want to change. So first of all, you have to know the behavior. We just mentioned before, you're playing these programs. You don't even see the behavior. Other people see it. And this is an important part of where love relationships come in. I say, why? If you're unaware of these programs and their impact, and your partner all of a sudden starts showing up with this crap behavior, and then you start precipitating arguments and saying, what kind of behavior is that? Not knowing the person who just said that, to even know they had that behavior, it's an argument. And an argument, every time I knew one of these shows up, next argument, next argument.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  50% of marriages, divorce. Why? It's not the person they marry. I say, who did they marry? The spirit, the creative one, the one that stopped playing the program, the one that had wishes and desires to live that honeymoon. Yeah, but once they start thinking, then those programs that never showed up in the honeymoon, they didn't play. Why? Science has recognized a fact. When you fall in love, you stay mindful, you stay present, you stop thinking. Well, if you stop thinking, what's running the show?

• 37:57Speaker 02

  The conscious mind. And what's that? Wishes and desires. And that's called the honeymoon. Until thinking takes over, and then the negative programs manifest.

• 38:12Mayim Bialik?

  So that's why I like that great feeling, which lasts, I don't know, three months seems to be the cycle.

• 38:18Speaker 02

  There's a short intense period, then there's an adjustment period. I'm adjusting to what? That behavior that wasn't there when we first fell in love. And I can adjust a certain amount.

• 38:30Mayim Bialik?

  Or more often than not, we, there are blinders that go on because of this like huge chemical, right? Like experience that you're having and things that actually should bother you don't seem as significant. And once all of that chemistry wears off, you then see, oh, wait a second.

• 38:49Speaker 02

  I don't like this.

• 38:50Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 38:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Yes, and I think what ends up happening is you be, both people begin to react to the other person and you go into a different cycle. Like, a perfect example of this recently, I don't remember what the conversation was. I didn't have any understanding of how I was coming across to Miam. And I thought I was just sort of super neutral. And she was like, you're so elevated. And I'm like, I don't even know what you're talking about. And then I'm like, why are you reacting like that? And we're back at each other.

• 39:26Speaker 02

  And who are you? Where's that come from?

• 39:29Mayim Bialik?

  I think it was my father.

• 39:32Speaker 02

  Switch the table. Both parties know we have programs. We know that.

• 39:38Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm gonna give you one more example because this is, it just recently happened. You, again, we were having a conversation, and this one, I actually think I was.

• 39:48Mayim Bialik?

  The problem is us having conversations. We just figured it out.

• 39:51Jonathan Cohen?

  I was generally neutral. I was trying to reason something out with her. And she's like, this is just like my mom. To which I'm like, exactly. Right? Like, we can see it and we know we're in a cycle.

• 40:06Mayim Bialik?

  And he said, you're just like my dad. We're even.

• 40:10Jonathan Cohen?

  And what do we connect the most on? Writing, being creative, doing things that are not related to-

• 40:18Mayim Bialik?

  Not having conversations.

• 40:20Jonathan Cohen?

  About practical things that require these types of filters.

• 40:23Mayim Bialik?

  I think that was more revealing than you intended.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, but now look at it this way. A behavior shows up that's not right. There's no argument if you start with, did you just, did you hear what you just said? Did you, you understand what you just said? What do you mean? What did I say? Ah, you said this, I go, you know what? I didn't mean that. And then all of a sudden-

• 40:50Jonathan Cohen?

  It's diffused.

• 40:50Speaker 02

  Instead of an argument, it's a discussion. And if it's a discussion, and I said, but I can change that. I say, how? Self-hypnosis, habituation, energy psychology.

• 41:02Jonathan Cohen?

  But it's important to pull yourself out, right? Like, you can feel that you're not interacting at the level that you want. Like, when you get that elevated, it's likely not the thing that you're actually talking about.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  It's just an amazing thing that's going on that people don't understand. What was super learning? If you look at a brain, there's a line down the center. And each half called the hemisphere. And the two halves have different functions. The left hemisphere is intellectual words, okay? The right hemisphere is emotions, pictures, okay? When you're under seven, and this is where the secret is. When you're under seven, both hemispheres function at exactly the same time. Point. Every experience has an intellectual element to it, and every experience has an emotional consequence, okay?

• 42:00Speaker 02

  After age seven, and this is where the problem comes from. They functionally, not physically, but functionally separate. So sometimes during the day, you're more intellectual. It's called ultraradian, a frequency, ultraradian. Sometimes during the day, your left brain, a couple hours, it changes. And then you go into right brain. So sometimes you're more intellectual. And then there's a point where you go more emotional. And it goes up and down. It's a wave, okay? So my usual story, which gives me joy because it makes sense, is there's an argument between a couple.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  The guy is in his left hemisphere at this moment. He's got all the words. It's like a sword, slash, slashing his woman partner down with all the words. She happens to be in the right hemisphere, emotion. She has no words. But she, the emotions are, oh, oh, oh, like that, right? But three hours later, the guy's going, oh, what did I say? Oh, my God, I'm so wrong. Oh, I feel so bad. Now she has the words. And she comes in, slash, slash, slash. And this is a perpetuation of a problem.

• 43:27Speaker 02

  And that super learning is the process of reintegrating right and left hemispheres. That is the fundamental process. And the significance is, it takes you back to the learning ability of a child under seven, which is I can download it with one experience. And that is how super learning and energy psychology allow us to change the belief you had your whole life, five, 10 minutes. But you have to get into that state of integration.

• 44:04Mayim Bialik?

  It's very powerful. It's very, very powerful. You know, there's so much in here that we didn't get to get to today. But I wonder if you can leave us with, you know, kind of one final evolutionary tidbit here. You know, this notion that we have more control, right? Over our conscious evolution than we even understand.

• 44:26Speaker 02

  And that we've been programmed is the most important part.

• 44:28Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, what can you leave us with?

• 44:29Speaker 02

  I can leave you with, why is this an answer to Darwinian biology? The answer is, well, give me two things. I give you one. The belief that genes control your life. I'm a victim, and therefore I give up power. Okay? Number two, and this is the primary one affecting us right now. The summary of Darwinian theory is survival of the fittest in the struggle for life. We bought it. We bought life as a struggle. And we bought competition is the way out of this struggle because I have to be the fittest. And I go, and where's the problem?

• 45:10Speaker 02

  Number one, life is not a struggle until you say it is a struggle. And then we program struggle, okay? A very simple point. We came from a garden. We evolved from the garden. I go, what? A garden is the height of cooperation. Every organism in the garden's job is to facilitate the garden. Except for us. We're in the garden destroying a garden, so we have a problem, okay? So life is a struggle because we made it so, okay? But more importantly, survival of the fittest. I go, what does that mean? Competition. And what's the point?

• 45:51Speaker 02

  I say, there is no morality in Darwinian biology. Meaning, if I win, it doesn't make any difference how I did it. If anybody got hurt, that's not my problem.

• 46:07Mayim Bialik?

  The end justifies the means.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  That's it. I'm the winner at what expense. They're the losers. And the idea is, that's how you can end up with a tiny percent being the winners in today's world because they don't give a damn about the rest of the people. And how can they do it? You can use your intelligence, or you can use an Uzi. Whoever's standing at the end, the winner. If I shoot you, I win. If my war beats your war, we win. And all of a sudden, you say, wait a minute. We're killing each other in a hypothesis that you have to be survival of the fittest.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  Now, let me undo that in one fraction of a second. I go, what is it? I say, what's the definition of the word fit? Capable of surviving. Well, wait, there's fit. There's people a little bit more fit. They're fitter. And then there are people that are apparently more fit than that. They're the fittest. And it says survival of the fittest. And the answer is, well, but all the rest are fit too. I don't care about them. Why? I'm the fittest. Why? Darwin came from Victorian England. Upper class, lower class. The fittest, upper class. You were born into it. You were always upper class.

• 47:35Speaker 02

  If you were born into the lower class, you're always in the lower class. So survival of the fittest says the upper class is the source of evolution. The lower class are the feeder layer supporting the upper class. And we don't need them, so many of them. So let's get rid of a lot of them. And that's today's world. Eliminating the weakest ones because I don't need them as much. And with AI, Jonathan, we don't even need that many. And when you look at the death rate going up, the health crisis is going up. I say, it's not an accident. They know exactly what they're doing. And the people don't know.

• 48:20Speaker 02

  And I can program your life right out of you by telling you you're less than powerful. That, oh, you're inevitably going to get sick. And I'm the smart one, so my belief overrides your belief, and you bought my belief. That we bought. If you grew up in a family where when you were sick, you went to a doctor, what did you learn from that experience? The answer is this. When it comes to health, I'm not the ones who know about it. The doctor knows about it. And therefore, the doctor's opinion, prognosis, becomes the truth because you say, they know, I don't.

• 49:04Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Is this gonna happen? Oh, yeah. This will happen, then this will happen, then you'll die. And I was, I have a program. This will happen, this will happen in a day. I go, yep. And you unfold it exactly the way the prognosis says.

• 49:20Mayim Bialik?

  And beyond Darwin, I think, gives a lot of hope because it places the power really back in your own hands. That if we were programmed, we can also learn other programs. We still have the ability to tap into that neuroplasticity. We have that ability to kind of see beyond it. And we have the gift of not having to live in a classist biological philosophy.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Absolutely. And it comes down to them, the final simple thing is this, knowledge is power.

• 49:52Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 49:52Speaker 02

  And I go, and at the same time, I can say the same thing. A lack of knowledge is a lack of power. What you don't know, you have no power over. And if I program you with things that are wrong, that means those things, you don't know them because you don't see it, then you have lost your power.

• 50:16Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  And that is today's world. And it started with the psychology of it, and then it becomes Bernays, Edward Bernays, who taught us propaganda, you know? But it's called advertising, okay? And the idea is what? I can convince you to buy my product because you're gonna believe what I'm gonna tell you. And all of a sudden, you say, oh, my God, we're consumers. So when was the last time you saw the sunset?

• 50:49Mayim Bialik?

  Well, a really, really good reminder. Go out and see the sunset today. And also, thank you so much for being here. You know, so many people are incredibly inspired by the work you've already done. And this book is clearly evidence that you are not done influencing us in the best ways. So thank you.

• 51:07Speaker 02

  I thank you so very much. As I said, participating with you allows me to participate with them.

• 51:13Mayim Bialik?

  Absolutely. Well, we are glad to be here for that.

• 51:15Speaker 02

  And I'm so glad you were here.

• 51:20Mayim Bialik?

  One of the things that's so incredible about Dr. Lipton is, you know, the vast, you know, kind of scope of knowledge he has about the smallest things and the biggest things, right? Like, we're here talking about consciousness and we're talking about evolution and it's a really pioneering, you know, kind of notion, like his entire career. But to say that Darwin was wrong is a really, really big statement. But one of the things that, you know, he's focusing on, as I said, in sort of the scope of his work, is like the smallest thing and the biggest thing. So he's pointing out, you know, with this book and in our conversation, how, you know, cooperation, right? The purpose

• 52:03Mayim Bialik?

  of competition, the purpose of survival, how that is important on this large scale. But on the smallest scale, you know, he's literally talking about that everyone has a different distribution of a set of proteins that are coded by your DNA. And the distribution of those proteins which receive hormone signaling and neurotransmitters and they're changing the purpose of every cell, right? That distribution is more of a, an imprint, right, of who you actually are. And the notion that that sends out some sort of, you know,

• 52:46Mayim Bialik?

  cosmic signal about who you are, that that's actually who you are, right? That's what your DNA is for. It's coding for proteins that are receiving information from the environment, right? But the DNA that has predicted what those protein receptors will look like is determining how the environment then can change your cells.

• 53:12Jonathan Cohen?

  So here's a crazy question. If I could replicate all of that,

• 53:20Jonathan Cohen?

  would it connect to the energetic field and create another version of me exactly in a different form?

• 53:28Mayim Bialik?

  I mean-

• 53:29Jonathan Cohen?

  The essence of me.

• 53:29Mayim Bialik?

  I think the, I think the question would be, why are you asking that? Meaning, is the question, is that all I am?

• 53:38Mayim Bialik?

  Or it's more of a creative question?

• 53:39Jonathan Cohen?

  I think it's a creative question, because-

• 53:41Mayim Bialik?

  I don't like creative questions.

• 53:42Jonathan Cohen?

  That's deep in your programming. We talk about like, the soul being this unidentifiable, ambiguous, animating force. And when, you know, it gives us character and it gives us qualities and attributes that we can't necessarily measure, right? It's like, they're just them. They have an essence to them, or they feel like the person who I know, or-

• 54:04Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 54:05Jonathan Cohen?

  And all of a sudden, if there are these, you know, what he called 65 trillion variations of combinations, and if you could actually map that and recreate all of them-

• 54:16Mayim Bialik?

  I'm gonna give you a really specific example. So I'm gonna use an example that we've talked about a lot here and that many of us maybe know about on a surface level. That's funny if you know about chemistry, molecules, surface molecules. Anyway-

• 54:31Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm sure many people are laughing.

• 54:32Mayim Bialik?

  Many people are laughing right now. No one in this room, but that's okay. So when we talk about SSRIs, right? Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, right? What SSRIs do, and these are kind of like your Prozac's, right? Those are your general SSRIs. What they do is they inhibit serotonin being removed from synaptic clefts. They're allowing more serotonin to float around. That's the easiest way to think of it. More serotonin's floating around. But the reason that we get to talk about it in this conversation is that what happens when serotonin floats around? You don't know?

• 55:13Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't know.

• 55:14Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so great. So-

• 55:16Jonathan Cohen?

  It floats?

• 55:16Mayim Bialik?

  It binds to receptors.

• 55:20Jonathan Cohen?

  That's right, yeah. I do know that, actually.

• 55:22Mayim Bialik?

  So the receptor, you know, the receptor is kind of the human term for what it actually is, which is a protein. And a protein means it's a bunch of amino acids that have just twisted around to make a pretty shape. And this protein embeds itself in the membrane of a cell, okay? So this protein receptor is the only thing that can take something from the outside and make changes inside. So that's what we're talking about. When we talk about people and who we are, how many, and I'm, this part, I actually don't know if this is even an accurate way to say it, but how many of these receptors do you

• 56:03Mayim Bialik?

  have that are sensitive to serotonin? Are they working right? When the serotonin binds, do you know what to do with it? You know, if you're the receptor? What cascade of changes is gonna happen inside of that cell that we then communicate as, I feel good today, right? That's, in a sense, who we are. But the place that Dr. Lipton is blowing this field wide open and has for the past 40 or 50 years, is that he's saying everything about the environment that we live in. Lifestyle, the choices we make, the people we talk to, the way we think, how much time we spend in meditation or on psychedelics, that changes

• 56:47Mayim Bialik?

  this environment so that the cell is then impacted by the environment of where the serotonin is floating, how it's binding, all these things. That's the interplay. It's not just about what receptors do you have.

• 57:01Jonathan Cohen?

  Correct. And another way of saying that maybe even more simplistically is that if your receptors aren't binding well, you can change the way that they bind so that they can bind better.

• 57:14Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I mean, look, I'm using a medication example because it's one of the easiest ways that we can explain. But we also know that exercise is, in many cases, you know, Johann Hari's episode talks about this, and as does every other episode where we've talked about the misreporting and the lack of reporting by pharmaceutical companies when they're even testing SSRIs, in many cases, exercise is phenomenal.

• 57:40Jonathan Cohen?

  Sometimes far better.

• 57:42Mayim Bialik?

  I don't wanna say far, because I don't have the stats here. Cognitive behavioral therapy, in many cases, consistent and reliable cognitive behavioral therapy-

• 57:50Jonathan Cohen?

  Take it until you make it, as you would say. Because you're just adjusting perspective.

• 57:55Mayim Bialik?

  That's not exactly what cognitive behavioral therapy is doing, but-

• 57:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Look, no diss to the cognitive therapists out there.

• 58:01Mayim Bialik?

  The idea being, there are many ways to shift distribution of chemicals and the ability then for your receptors to kind of show up and, you know, do their particular dance. Yeah.

• 58:16Jonathan Cohen?

  Four ways to reprogram yourself. Training, self-hypnosis-

• 58:22Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 58:24Jonathan Cohen?

  Getting into, well, self-hypnosis is getting into a theta state, so I'm missing number three. And number four was something you can't do actually for yourself, which is the shocking life scenario whereby something happens in your life that you're so fundamentally changed that your perspective, every way you see the world is adjusted. And I think that's what happens with these near-death experiencers. They experience something so profound that they can't go back. They can't go back to the way that they were thinking, how they were perceiving the decisions they were making.

• 59:02Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, I mean, I think we can even slow down that kind of understanding. So in a near-death experience, in a psychedelic journey, when you've experienced a significant, you know, trauma, those are, you know, in many cases, things that shock the system, right? But when people like Anita Morjani, you know, talk about their experience, or really any of our near-death experiencers, Elizabeth Krone, you know, they're talking about some fundamental global rebooting, right? It's literally like the system has been shut down and rebooted, you know, which I, I don't, yeah, I don't think it's reserved

• 59:43Mayim Bialik?

  for dying, right? But I do think that in the right environment, right? Because Paul Stamets even, when he took his accidental heroic dose, it was a thing that was beyond heroic dose of psilocybin, there could have been anything different about that situation that might have led to a very different outcome, right? Like, all these things need to be in place for those kind of events, right, to take hold the way we're talking about. But yeah, I was very, you know, interested in this notion that those first seven years of life, you know, and of course, I'm like, I don't remember being particularly dreamy. My kids weren't particularly dreamy kids, actually. I mean, they had like, things that they liked to pretend and do, but, you know, sometimes you meet a kid and you're like,

• 1:00:27Mayim Bialik?

  that kid's in theta state. Like, that Xander is in theta state, right?

• 1:00:32Jonathan Cohen?

  No, all kids are, all kids are in their own world to some degree. That's why they're so fun.

• 1:00:39Jonathan Cohen?

  They are. They're like-

• 1:00:40Mayim Bialik?

  Spoken as someone who loves little kids. He does. You really do.

• 1:00:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Having a kid under three around, like, two and a half, three, they're just wandering around, thinking they know things. It's amazing. It's so fun.

• 1:00:52Mayim Bialik?

  It just sounds like Jonathan's in Theta State right now. So, yeah, when we look at kids who are in that kind of, their own world and sort of that dreaminess, when they can imagine anything and they can, you know, they have imaginary friends, right? That's a very special period of time when also we know they're highly impressionable and they're sponges. They're sponges for information. They can learn three languages. I mean, I have cousins who grew up speaking three languages and the kids know which parent speaks which and they can speak, "Oh, this one speaks Hebrew and this one doesn't." Like, it's amazing. So that's those years. How do we recreate that? Clearly psychedelics, right? In certain situations psychedelics. Meditation.

• 1:01:35Mayim Bialik?

  You know, I feel like Bruce was a little bit, you know, hard on people who like to meditate as a way to access this state. But, yeah, there are kinds of trainings that we can do. You know, he mentioned some of the auditory, you know, stimulation. A lot of people will listen to theta rhythms and things like that while they're sleeping. Some people report that it shifts their sleep significantly. Significantly.

• 1:01:59Jonathan Cohen?

  Have you tried that?

• 1:02:00Mayim Bialik?

  No.

• 1:02:01Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe we should.

• 1:02:01Mayim Bialik?

  That's actually not true. I think it's weird to have my phone playing something for eight hours.

• 1:02:08Jonathan Cohen?

  You just don't want your screen time to go up.

• 1:02:09Mayim Bialik?

  No, I just like, it's weird to me when I've seen them. I've done shorter meditations like that. But when I've seen it, it's like, "This will play for the next 12 hours." It just seems weird. I don't know.

• 1:02:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe I should start that while I'm working. Just get me into that zone.

• 1:02:22Mayim Bialik?

  It's actually, I was thinking about that because you and I both, we know we shouldn't look at our screens before bed. And I think like, we go into phases of being better and worse about that. But we both have a very difficult time being in our own mind before bed.

• 1:02:37Jonathan Cohen?

  The last time we spoke to Dr. Lipton, he was talking about the self-hypnosis. And I created one. I never told you about it.

• 1:02:44Mayim Bialik?

  Excuse me?

• 1:02:45Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, I went on my voice note recorder. I created one and I was like, "Great, I'm gonna listen to this."

• 1:02:51Mayim Bialik?

  What did it say?

• 1:02:52Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, it just said, you know, it's a little personal.

• 1:02:54Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:55Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a little personal.

• 1:02:55Mayim Bialik?

  It said, "You're good enough, you're smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like you."

• 1:03:00Jonathan Cohen?

  It did say that. No, I was, I was getting some limiting beliefs about abundance out of my, out of my system. I was, you know, I fluctuate between

• 1:03:12Jonathan Cohen?

  being very mathematical, being like, "Oh, I've done this and that and it's led to this and so I have to like, find that formula and if I only do one more step." But I actually think that's a very limiting way to think. Recently, I got a text out of nowhere and I got invited to a movie screening by someone I hadn't spoken to in, I don't know, we hadn't seen each other in 15 years. And it was a producer friend of mine that I used to work for when I was right out of AFI. And

• 1:03:48Jonathan Cohen?

  we really got along. We had, you know, she was into spiritual stuff and still is and I am. And we just kind of bonded on like, oh, we were working on a show about psychics, actually. And then, you know, I went back to Toronto, we lost touch for a while. And then like, we've texted a few times but haven't connected. A month ago, they invite me to a movie screening. That leads to like, me meeting a handful of other people, met someone else. And so, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, something can appear and open up an entirely new door and a set of opportunities that I never would have imagined. And in my calculus, I'm not equating for the unexpected, right? I'm only crunching the data that I have on a very limited set of opportunities.

• 1:04:32Mayim Bialik?

  Your programming is exactly what you know to program, basically.

• 1:04:35Jonathan Cohen?

  Exactly. So what if you pull back a little bit and I can feel, wait a second, I want to create a more abundant, exciting life filled with opportunities that I can't even put a framework around yet. Meaning, is it a film? Is it a new venture? Is it something amazing? And maybe, it doesn't have to be hard.

• 1:04:59Mayim Bialik?

  Is this what the recording was that you made?

• 1:05:01Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, I started, I started to pull back a little bit to just sort of set those wider parameters. And that was an example of how it could start to shift my thinking, to pull me away from, because when I'm in those moments of like, trying to figure out the next steps, it's, it's very myopic, right? It's like so dialed in as to be stressful. It's like, "Oh, but it's not gonna be enough." And it has a lot of that limiting belief programming. "I have to work so hard and I have to work harder because it's not gonna be enough unless I do this much more." But like, what about stepping way back and having a totally different? And so, that type of hypnosis programming,

• 1:05:44Jonathan Cohen?

  the intention was, okay, what feels way more expansive? What feels easier? What feels like I can contribute to something greater than the smaller things that I'm thinking about right now? And I think that helps not go into the tunnel vision, which could then prevent me from, maybe, maybe I got that, that invite and I was like, "I don't wanna go because I don't know something and that limits an opportunity."

• 1:06:11Mayim Bialik?

  I'm laughing because I think I'm gonna ask Valerie to take that speech you just made and just make it into an audio file and I'll just listen to that over and over for eight hours.

• 1:06:20Jonathan Cohen?

  You could. Now, the problem I ran into is that when I did my voice recording, it didn't loop. So it was like 40 seconds long and I wanted to continue to loop it, but I didn't know how to loop it.

• 1:06:31Mayim Bialik?

  You better be in Theta for those 40 seconds or it's not gonna work.

• 1:06:34Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, no, I needed, so I, anyway, there's a little bit of a technological challenge in order to make yourself a self-hypnosis. And then like, what program do you play it on? I don't know, I can't upload it to Spotify. I don't know how to do that. So, and like, no one has MP3s anymore. So, anyway, there's a little bit of a-

• 1:06:49Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 1:06:49Jonathan Cohen?

  There's a tactical-

• 1:06:51Mayim Bialik?

  It's a practical, tactical issue.

• 1:06:53Jonathan Cohen?

  If we're gonna provide solutions, people should be able to figure out how to execute the solutions. And I'm here with you to anyone who's like, "Well, how do I actually do that?" I'm trying to figure out that problem.

• 1:07:05Mayim Bialik?

  One of the things I also wanted to remind people before we wrap here is in a typical, typical, putting that in quotes, in a typical, you know, eight-hour sleep cycle, what usually happens is the deepest you go is first. And then throughout the night, you have these periods of REM, right? Which is very, very active, brain activity-wise. And then you have subsequent stages throughout the evening, but they are less and less. So if you've ever had a newborn or been around a newborn, you know that they can usually sleep better in those first couple hours that you put them down. But then something crazy starts happening.

• 1:07:49Mayim Bialik?

  Or if you've ever had a menopausal girlfriend.

• 1:07:52Jonathan Cohen?

  I can't focus because I'm laughing at myself. I'm like, "I have a new business idea. I will record people's self-hypnosis. Send me a script."

• 1:08:02Mayim Bialik?

  You have a lovely voice.

• 1:08:04Jonathan Cohen?

  And I will record.

• 1:08:05Mayim Bialik?

  No, that's weird. You just made it weird.

• 1:08:08Jonathan Cohen?

  I will record.

• 1:08:09Mayim Bialik?

  That would bring me right out of Theta and into REM.

• 1:08:12Jonathan Cohen?

  Set a sleep timer for like, 40 minutes, because you'll drop in, do your Theta, get reprogrammed.

• 1:08:18Mayim Bialik?

  Do your Theta.

• 1:08:21Mayim Bialik?

  You know, it feels like we did enough here today.

• 1:08:24Jonathan Cohen?

  I think we're done.

• 1:08:25Mayim Bialik?

  Thanks so much for listening and watching. Go over to Substack for more from this episode and so much more. BialikBreakdown.substack.com Or just search Mind Bialik Breakdown on Substack. And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.