95% of Your Life Runs on a Program You Never Chose. Dr. Bruce Lipton on Rewiring Belief in Minutes, Why Quantum Physics Says You’re a Creator, and Why Science Now Calls Spirituality Real

Bruce H. Lipton, Ph. D. (former medical school professor, epigenetics pioneer, and bestselling author of The Biology of Belief and Beyond Darwin) returns to explain why he believes humanity is living through an unprecedented evolutionary crisis, why today's global chaos may actually be the necessary breakdown before an extraordinary breakthrough—and asks the unsettling question: How far can humanity be pushed before it changes? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, we explore the revolutionary science of epigenetics, why your genes account for less than 1% of disease, how environmental signals control your biology, and why Dr. Lipton argues that you are far more powerful than your DNA. He explains how consciousness shapes epigenetics, why our subconscious programming determines so much of our lives, and reveals practical ways to rewrite that programming through self-hypnosis and other powerful techniques. Bruce also dives into the fascinating intersection of Quantum Physics and spirituality, discussing whether everything is truly energy, whether physical reality is ultimately an illusion, whether spirit can be understood through quantum science, why he believes we cannot truly die, why karma is a biological reality, how many souls exist in the universe, whether souls choose to come to Earth to learn, and even whether a soul can switch bodies during a lifetime. He shares his own recent health challenges and how he applied The Biology of Belief to his recovery, explains why ignoring your life's purpose can manifest as emotional and physical struggles, recounts his personal experience with psilocybin, and reveals what it feels like to meet your energetic match. Bruce also discusses why love is the highest creative force, how it allows us to create "Heaven on Earth," why we need physical bodies to fully experience love, why cooperation (not competition) is humanity's greatest evolutionary advantage, and why the belief that life is meant to be a struggle is one of our biggest collective illusions. We also explore why alternative healing methods remain largely absent from mainstream education, the urgent new professions Dr. Lipton believes society must create to help humanity sustain Earth's ecosystem, how we unconsciously download limiting beliefs from those around us, four practical ways to reprogram the subconscious and create coherence between mind and reality, and why a lack of knowledge ultimately becomes a lack of power. If you've ever wondered whether science and spirituality can finally meet, this conversation may completely change the way you see yourself, and reality itself! If you're struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NOCD can help. Book a free 15 minute call to get started: https://learn.nocd.com/BREAK Get 15% off OneSkin with the code BREAK at oneskin.co/BREAK https://www.oneskin.co/BREAK #oneskinpod Visitwww.wakingup.com/breaker http://www.wakingup.com/breaker for a 2 week free trial. Go to https://helixsleep.com/breakdown to receive up to 30% off your Helix mattress. Visitdrinkag1.com/BREAKDOWN http://drinkag1.com/BREAKDOWN and get a FREE AG1 Flavor Sampler and a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3 + K2 in your Welcome Kit with your first AG1 subscription order. Get your annual IANDS Conference tickets athttps://conference.iands.org/https://conference.iands.org. Go to https://tidd.ly/4uVltMe and use the code MAYIM50 to get $50 off your Elastique order. Dr. Bruce Lipton’s latest book, Beyond Darwin: How Epigenetics, Quantum Science, and Cooperation Shape Humanity’s Future: https://www.simonandschuster.com/books/Beyond-Darwin/Bruce-H-Lipton/9781637749364 Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  We are facing irreversible collapse. There's a point where people cannot be sustained.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  What kind of wake up do people need?

• 0:08Speaker 00

  To recognize the science of spirituality, to create coherence between your belief and your reality. Energy psychology is offering the ability to change the belief in minutes. I don't have to go backwards, I have to go forward. I cured myself of cancer by changing the belief.

• 0:31Mayim Bialik?

  Dr. Bruce Lipton, known for his pioneering work in epigenetics, is here to explain how quantum science and cooperation will shape the future of humanity.

• 0:40Speaker 00

  If you ask 100 people, tell me what your vision of heaven is, you can get 100 definitions. Here, you can manifest those definitions. Harmony is health and happiness. This harmony is acquired through our experiences. Those are the programs that control your life. More than half are disempowering, self sabotaging. The greatest fear humans have is death. How much money would you spend to not die?

• 1:14Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Iain Viallick.

• 1:15Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:16Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our Breakdown. What if everything you've been taught about life, death, disease, and even reality is actually not the whole story? Today, we're speaking with Dr. Bruce Lipton, and we're going to be discussing his new book, Beyond Darwin. The book focuses on how epigenetics, and understanding of quantum science, and cooperation and kindness are actually what shapes humanity's future, not simply our genetics. Dr. Lipton is going to take us through the current chaotic situation we find ourselves in, how environmental signals are actually controlling our biology, which makes us the creator and not the victim of our personal destiny and our global destiny as well.

• 2:01Jonathan Cohen?

  We cover how our unconscious beliefs are influencing our lives and four amazing ways to change them. We even talk about the nature of the soul and how each of us has a unique genetic imprint that connects to our life's purpose. We talk about harmonic resonance and what does it mean to actually find and be in alignment with what you're meant to do in this world?

• 2:25Mayim Bialik?

  We spoke to Dr. Lipton about a year and a half ago, but we are so excited to have him here in person to discuss Beyond Darwin and so much more. Dr. Bruce Lipton, welcome to the Breakdown.

• 2:36Speaker 00

  Break it down. I am so happy because it's part of the real breakdown. And there is a breakdown. I don't have to explain that. People who are watching the news or surfing the web, they don't have to be told there's a breakdown.

• 2:54Mayim Bialik?

  Your message is one of incredible optimism, not just from an energetic perspective, from a biological one. But I wonder if we can, before we get to the hope that in particular, Beyond Darwin, I think, conveys, can you talk to us about the place that we find ourselves in 2026 from an evolutionary biology perspective? What is going on?

• 3:21Speaker 00

  Well, let me give you a scientific piece of that. It is established by science, NASA scientists, that we are facing, and I want to emphasize the word, irreversible collapse of civilization within 10 to 20 years. It'll be gone. It's already in process. And I said, why? Well, there's a simple mathematic, and that is this. How much resources does it take to support today's civilization? The answer is the resources from 1.6 planet Earth. I said, well, there's a problem. We have one planet Earth.

• 4:04Speaker 00

  Where's the extra 0.6 coming from? And the answer is we're undermining the ecosystem. We're destroying the garden. The web of life is collapsing. First, you have to know we are a web of life. We came from a web of life. If the web of life doesn't exist, we don't exist. So the wake up call is, how long can you keep doing this? The answer is, according to science, 10, 20 years maximum, 10 years more likely.

• 4:38Mayim Bialik?

  What does that mean when you say that we kind of only have 10 or 20 years? What would we imagine could collapse?

• 4:45Speaker 00

  It's collapsing right now. I'll give you one of them right now. If people are trying to go buy food and they're finding the cost of food getting higher and higher, that's the beginning. And there's a simple fact that people are not paying attention to because we've been misdirected as usual. Oh, yes, climate change, the ice is melting, and the cities by the edge are going to get flooded. And I go, yeah, that's cool. I said, what you're not telling people is, you have to know climate if you're going to do agriculture. If you can't predict the weather, you can't grow food. As a matter of fact, right now,

• 5:29Speaker 00

  Kansas, for example, the heart, was the heart of the wheat belt and wheat foundational. No harvest this year of wheat because the climate, it didn't grow. And people are saying, well, guess what? Well, you bought bread. It's made out of wheat. Can you even afford bread? As the prices go up and everything. There's a point where people cannot be sustained. And there's a point where a rebellion would be natural. You can't starve people and have some people living up on the hill with a million trillion dollars, and you can't afford a loaf of bread. There's going to be a problem.

• 6:13Speaker 00

  And the mass of the problem. A simple picture, if you could. A piece of pie representing all of the resources of this planet, you know, the money. Less than 1%, less than 1% has taken more than half of that pie. 99% of the people are now in competition survival mode to get a piece of that leftover pie. And there's not enough. You can't push people in a corner too far. And then there's rebellion. Because it's survival. And all organisms are driven by survival.

• 6:54Speaker 00

  Even, it's called in biology, the biological imperative. I go, what was that? It's the drive to survive. I go, from every organism, from bacteria. If you try and kill a bacterium, it's like, oh, okay, kill me. It's going to do everything in its power to stay alive. Okay, and that's a bacterium. When you get into humans and you're starting to see people can't get healthcare, can't buy food, can't, you know, are struggling week to week and not making it. How far can you push them?

• 7:39Speaker 00

  I mean, it's a very logical thing. It says, not very far, something's happened.

• 7:44Mayim Bialik?

  You've been alive in extraordinary times.

• 7:46Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:47Mayim Bialik?

  And, you know, you've witnessed, you know.

• 7:49Speaker 00

  Television.

• 7:50Mayim Bialik?

  Well, but I think you've witnessed, you know, a certain kind of turmoil in the 1960s and the 1970s. How do you compare, you know, that kind of instability? And what's the difference between the instability and chaos that we're seeing now?

• 8:05Speaker 00

  The drive to survive is again very important. And I go, why is that important? If you were back in the 60s, a male, your life was under threat. Why? You're going to go to Vietnam. And I remember in the very beginning, being detached. Vietnam, if you were back there in the very beginning, was a game in a sense like, tonight's news. Okay, 500 Vietnamese warriors were killed. Only 100 Americans were killed. We win. It's like, it was a ballgame. And I personally didn't see it.

• 8:46Speaker 00

  And then, you know, I woke up, I woke up and somebody snapped a finger and got me out of a trance. And it was a song by Buffalo Springfield called For What Is The Word?

• 8:58Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, something happening here.

• 9:00Speaker 00

  Something happening here. And the universe, I was driving north in a snowstorm. And I had miles and miles to go. And I'm going like 20 miles an hour, just trying to look out. And the guy on the radio said, oh, you gotta hear this. And he played it. I said, oh, you gotta hear it. Let me play it again. And then he said, you understand? Let me play it again. And I'm driving 30 miles an hour, repeating, repeating. And by the time he finished playing about four times, I was like, I was evolved.

• 9:37Mayim Bialik?

  Yep.

• 9:38Speaker 00

  I woke up and said, damn right. Who's that guy over there with the gun?

• 9:43Mayim Bialik?

  Yep. What kind of wake up do people need in 2026?

• 9:47Speaker 00

  There was a threat at colleges because there was a draft and you couldn't get it out. And we were against the wall. It's being against the wall that pushed. We are being pushed against that wall right now. And when the population decides enough is enough, it'll switch like a lit match, boom, it'll start to fire. And the idea is, can we get by without the violence? And the answer is yeah. As a matter of fact, my nephew Alex and I on the way over here, I said, Alex, there's a song from way back. It was called

• 10:32Speaker 00

  The Low Spark of High Heel Boys. It was from a group called Traffic.

• 10:36Mayim Bialik?

  Steve Winwood, yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 00

  High Heel Boys were like the dropout. And it was talking about the man making all the money and buying a new car, selling you a dream. And he's the one that bought the car. And you have nothing. And basically says, the man was killed, not by a bullet, but by the low spark of High Heel Boys, meaning they pulled out. I'm not playing this game anymore. And I was really thinking, that is somewhat of an anthem for right now. It's supported by money. If you don't have money, then what? And when they stop getting money, that changes them.

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• 15:31Jonathan Cohen?

  There's a divide between people who believe that the next wave of technology will bring prosperity, breakthroughs. There are a lot of people who claim there'll be no job loss at all because now everyone is able to create so much more than they've ever created. And in fact, right now, people are hiring in engineering because the engineers can create so much more. And then on the other side, there are people who believe there's going to be a massive wave of displacement. The only possible way for the AI companies to achieve the revenue that their valuations have stated is to wipe out most of middle-tier

• 16:12Jonathan Cohen?

  labor, and there's going to be a force, a reckoning in society, because that will increase this displacement, and people will get more and more angry, and there'll be conflict in the streets. Where do you sit in that divide?

• 16:26Speaker 00

  I say that is an interesting outcome if you don't see the positive side. I go, what is it? We are facing an evolutionary crisis on the planet because of the way we're destroying nature. The Native Americans, they saw nature as a garden, and we were gardeners, okay? We're pillagers, not gardeners anymore. We're destroying all this. The only way we can survive is to rebuild the garden. I say, what does that mean? I say, jobs you

• 17:05Speaker 00

  haven't even imagined yet. People working at every level of improving, increasing, evaluating the ecosystem, and simultaneously evaluating us as an ecosystem. And so, the job loss at one end, which is jobs that are destroying the planet, can be turned into new jobs that enhance the environment, enhance the garden, and living in that garden. And people, they're not living in the garden. I always ask the audience, I say, well, raise your hands if

• 17:43Speaker 00

  you've seen the sunset lately. No hands go up. Why? I'm in commute. I'm traveling here. I'm working my job. I'm doing this. I say, you're not here. I learned myself because I was one of those guys, okay? I had a job as a professor in a medical school, University of Wisconsin, for that job. I had tenure. What's that? A job for life. I could've stayed there my whole life, even if I'm doing and not doing anything. I walked out.

• 18:20Speaker 00

  Because I realized what I was teaching was incorrect. And the curriculum wouldn't allow me to teach a new science. And then people don't know this, as a medical school professor, the curriculum is controlled by the pharmaceutical industry. I go, why is that important? If you go to a school, in a medical school, you're not going to find any other form of healing other than drugs and pharmacy. Yeah, but there are all different forms of healing. Energy healing, consciousness healing, spiritual healing, nutritional healing, all these things.

• 19:01Speaker 00

  If you can't do it with a drug, it's not being taught. So we're programming a population of victims. My, I can't control my health. That person can. When a person is a victim, they will look for a rescuer and pay whatever that rescuer demands because you feel like if I don't pay it, where am I? And then you look at the high cost of healthcare. And the health crisis is interesting. The cost of healthcare goes up, the health crisis is going up simultaneously. And the reason is, and people need to know this, is this.

• 19:46Speaker 00

  People think that diseases, gene-related heredity. That's 100% false. I'm citing this from two major scientific journals. The Journal of the American Medical Association and the British Journal of Medicine. This is a fact research. Firstly, in cause of death, at that time, health, heart disease. Second, cancer, okay? What we were just getting into is cancer is now becoming number one. Cancer, young people are getting cancer, okay? It's changing the dynamic, okay? So let's say cancer is number one, heart disease is number two.

• 20:30Speaker 00

  Number three, iatrogenic illness. I go, what the hell is iatrogenic? And then I like to amuse myself by saying, science is like religion. We put it in Latin, you have no idea what the hell we're talking about. And iatrogenic is a word that means illness as a result of medical treatment. Medicine is the third leading cause of death. That's a fact from them. I'm not, I'm not making it up. I go, why is it relevant? I say, you never realize how dangerous it might be to follow the medical path. The third leading cause of death. Why?

• 21:15Speaker 00

  The vision is wrong. It's a corporation. Medical schools are front for pharmaceutical industry where the money comes from, okay? And the pharmaceutical, second corporation under industrial military. So the point is this, a corporation is manipulating belief. And it is programmed people to believe that genes control your life. You didn't pick them as far as you know.

• 21:47Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 21:47Speaker 00

  You can't change them.

• 21:48Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 21:49Speaker 00

  And then add the last whopper. Genes turn on and off by themselves. I go, what does that mean? My life is controlled by my genes. I'm a victim. It's ruining my family. And I got it. What can I do? Well, every 15 minutes on TV, you'll get an ad for what you can do. Every 15 minutes is buy a drug, buy a drug, buy a drug. Drugs, people don't know this fact. Over 300,000 businesses in the US die every year from prescription drugs.

• 22:30Speaker 00

  Less than 100,000 die from illegal drugs. Three times more. But the fact is, the whole belief system is wrong. Genes don't control anything. The mind controls the genes. And not just controls them. The mind can change the reality of the genes. A fact, there's no gene that causes cancer. Lifestyle is 90% cancer, right there. Why? Epigenetics in a bad lifestyle rewrite a healthy cell into a cancer cell. And all of a sudden, I say, well, why is that important? I say, well, you can buy this drug. You can do chemotherapy.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  You can do all that stuff, but you haven't solved cancer. Cancer, you're killing the cells that have the cancer. You never said, how did I get the cancer? Because if you did, 90% cancer would disappear on the planet. Because it's just by how you're living. And nobody ever mentions that. That my life is making a cancer. And heart disease, same thing. 90% is all lifestyle. Where do you hear this? Where is it written? The answer is leading edge of science. I grew up as a scientist. My career as a scientist.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  And people are blaming science for the fault that we have. I want, please, people understand this. Science doesn't make anything. Science doesn't sell anything. Science is philosophy and wisdom. Technology uses that science to create. It's the technology creations that are the problem. Science is wonderful, but the technology is deadly. And then you take your blame and you'll say, it's not us. It's the science people said this. And I go, oh, man. That's an issue, yeah.

• 24:42Jonathan Cohen?

  We speak to a lot of people who've had changes in their consciousness, right?

• 24:45Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 24:46Jonathan Cohen?

  And on our last conversation, we talked a lot about the programs running beneath our conscious awareness that influence how we perceive the world. And we could go back there for a second. We could do a bit of a recap. But before, before we do that, for people who may not have either heard that episode or don't really understand how that works, let's go into consciousness for a minute.

• 25:06Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 25:06Jonathan Cohen?

  And we speak to a lot of people and, and we hear from our audience, a lot of people who have either had near-death experiences that has changed their perception of reality or they've had mystical experiences, often through meditation or a spiritual awakening. And then all of a sudden, that filter through which they viewed their entire life has drastically changed. Can you talk a little bit about that and what that does to our physical bodies and how our, our genes are expressing themselves?

• 25:41Speaker 00

  Okay, well, you mentioned it. We won't go into it right now, but very simply, genes are blueprints to make body part, protein. They're blueprints. I go, so what? I said, blueprints don't control themselves. Otherwise, you could throw the blueprints into a yard and walk away and the house would show up. No, there's an architect that reads the blueprints. That is the mind. And as an architect, not only does it read the blueprints, but it can change the plan. That's epigenetics. I have genes and I can change how they work,

• 26:26Speaker 00

  but I have to change consciousness. That's the architect. If I have a negative architect, my building is, I don't want to be in that building, okay? And then you say positive, negative, and then that whole thing of positive belief. And then people, oh, that doesn't work. I tried to think positive and it didn't even work. And I go, first of all, more than 50% of all medical healings are placebo. More than 50%. What does that mean? I go, it's positive thinking. I go, well, yeah, but, oh, the doctor gave me this brand new pill.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  It was made just for my, it's the newest technology for my problem. And I took these pills and I got better. And then we find out the pill was the sugar pill. It was the belief in the sugar pill, a positive belief. And it changed the entire biology. I cured myself by changing the belief. It's the thinking we're doing. How's it creating? We are creators. This is a given fact. This is quantum physics, as I always like to get into is, and it changed my life just as much, Jonathan, as you were mentioning. It's like boom, changed my life. I grew up in Newtonian physics.

• 27:55Speaker 00

  We all grew up. I said, what the hell does that mean? Newtonian physics subdivides the universe into two realms, matter and energy, and says that they don't interact. Matter affects matter. Energy affects energy, but they don't interact. This is why science medicine never included consciousness or spirit in a healing process. They don't even talk about it. It's why? Well, that's an energy. That's metaphysics. Science, we're physics. Metaphysics is phony.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  And so we've been led to believe that our consciousness and our spirit plays no role in this game. You're a physical body and we have physical chemicals. That's the nature of healing. Okay? Well, that game is changing. And when you wake up to it like I did, I said, wait a minute. Everything is energy. That was what quantum physics found out. An atom, when you take it all the way apart, below protons, neutrons, electrons, below quarks, you get to the bottom, it's an energy vortex. It's nothing solid.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  So everything made out of atoms is made out of energy. And all of a sudden, the whole realm is everything is energy. And this energy is what shapes what we perceive as matter. Albert Einstein quote, very important quote. And that is the field, which is the energy. The field is the sole governing agency of matter. The energy changes matter. And what's the energy we're talking about? Well, Jonathan, the thought, the consciousness. And that led me into, oh, my God, we've been focusing on the genes. That led me into focusing on consciousness.

• 30:04Speaker 00

  And all of a sudden, the game changes. Why? Because I'm powerful. I didn't know that. I thought I was a victim. As long as I let you think you're a victim and enhance your victimization. And I can do it every 15 minutes on TV. You guys this problem? We have the drug. You have a problem? We have a drug.

• 30:25Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to bring along and sort of vocalize for an audience, a type of audience that I know is listening.

• 30:31Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 30:32Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe they have cancer. They have cancer in the family.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 30:36Jonathan Cohen?

  And sometimes they hear, I'm not a victim, as they've played some role in this disease. And they shouldn't trust the medical system because of these incentives, because of the profit center. And yet they're very confused. And I don't think we would ever say, do not go through a traditional medical process.

• 30:56Speaker 00

  Let me just say, I have, right now, I'm struggling with my speech a bit. A couple of years ago, I went to the doctor. I was having problems swallowing. He says, oh, you, you have a tumor. A tumor in your tongue and your throat. And it was fun because doctors always, when they say that, the patients go, oh, you know, grab the heart. And I go, oh, okay. And he looked at me like waiting for me to have some emotional hit. And I go, oh, okay. Why? Because I know it's based on my belief. Why did I get the tumor in my tongue?

• 31:40Speaker 00

  Because my speaking was interfered with. And my job was lecturing. And if you can't lecture, then you have a job problem, right? But it wasn't that. My book Biology of Belief says, there was some belief behind you. And the answer to that, which I recognize and now resolve, is for 20 years, I've had an understanding of evolution that transcends Darwinian theory. As a matter of fact, I call it the antidote to Darwin. And I didn't publish it. And I kept thinking, well, who am I?

• 32:25Speaker 00

  You know, Bruce published a theory against a great Darwin, you know? So I held on, I held on, I held on. And at some point, my biology and my spirit said, shut up, stop talking, write this book. I had to get into like, I'm going to write the book. I don't care what other people say. That was one thing that was holding me back. You're going to challenge Darwin? So at some point, it's like, so I wrote the book. You have it in your hand right now. And the relevance, I say, why was that important? My growth was malignant when I started. My growth is benign now.

• 33:08Speaker 00

  And actually, tomorrow, I think I get another scan to see it's going away. But I still have some cells affecting the nerve. So I'm working on my voice. But the fact was this, I'm one of those people. It's my fault. Now, Jonathan, that's where the bad word comes in. You got cancer because it was your fault. I say, if you have no knowledge of something, how can you be blamed?

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• 35:13Speaker 00

  If I say, listen, take my car to town and standard shift. And you say, I don't know how to drive it. I said, take it. And you get into town and you say, it's broken? The clutch isn't working? And so I said, you idiot, you drove my car and ruined the clutch? I can't say that. Why? You didn't know. And I'm trying to say this issue, Jonathan. I don't blame them. I'm not saying it's your fault. I say you had no knowledge of your participation.

• 35:49Jonathan Cohen?

  I think someone else might also hear your description and say, did you get cancer to write this book? If you did not have that belief about being limited in writing this book, would you not have gotten cancer? Would you have gotten cancer somewhere else? Because it's just age and the natural environment. And at some point, we all break down to some degree. And father or mother time is undefeated.

• 36:15Speaker 00

  Cancer is very interesting related to people's culture and lifestyle. There's different cancer in China than there is in the US. But when Chinese people come to the US.

• 36:28Mayim Bialik?

  Or when we export our food, yes.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  Then they end up with the same cancers we have.

• 36:34Jonathan Cohen?

  So is it lifestyle? Is it environmental? Is there something generally in North America?

• 36:39Speaker 00

  Lifestyle includes environmental. Lifestyle says, am I eating the right food? Am I eating toxic? Am I putting stuff in that is actually taking away from my health? One of the big things is sugar. Now, sugar's not that good, but you know what? High fructose corn syrup is toxic. Why? Research has revealed it impairs memory and learning. I go, huh, interesting. In the US, it's all of the drinks instead of sugar. No sugar, okay? Even health food has high fructose corn syrup in it. And it's like, no, it's been demonstrated.

• 37:24Speaker 00

  It's an interference. I go, it's down dumbing us. And we drank it because it was sweet. And they knew if I satisfy your sweet, you'll pay the price. And it's cheaper than sugar. So all of a sudden, it's like, oh, they win twice. It's addicting and it's cheap.

• 37:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Again, not to put you on the spot, but I just want to sort of finish this.

• 37:52Speaker 00

  Go ahead.

• 37:53Jonathan Cohen?

  What do you think about the book as it relates to your cancer? Do you think that if you had written the book, you wouldn't have gotten cancer in that way? Because you could have gone on lecturing.

• 38:05Speaker 00

  I think there was an involvement with my consciousness because consciousness is what shapes epigenetics. My mind, the tongue didn't decide, today I'm going to give you some cancer. That was no decision of the tongue. It came from consciousness. I was not in harmony with my life or my mission as I perceived it.

• 38:29Jonathan Cohen?

  So this is really interesting because it go, and it speaks to actually something Rizwan Verk said when he came here.

• 38:36Mayim Bialik?

  Expert.

• 38:37Jonathan Cohen?

  And what he's told us is he had a life plan and he knew what his life plan was. And every time he fell off of his life plan by not following the guidance that he had been given, he ended up in the hospital.

• 38:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:52Jonathan Cohen?

  Do we think that each one of us has a unique life plan? That we, and it's our job to figure out what that path is to be in harmony with something greater than ourselves?

• 39:03Speaker 00

  Yes. I'm gonna say this and a lot of people go, "Rakai, you know, he's crazy," but no, I'm not. It's this. First of all, one of the big important things that this evolution we're facing is requiring of us is to recognize the science of spirituality. That quantum physics actually uses the word spiritual in science. And quantum physics is the most valid of all the sciences. So why is this important? Because the greatest fear humans have is death. And you will, that's where the money comes back in.

• 39:48Speaker 00

  How much money would you spend to not die? Over 60% of bankruptcies in the US medical bills, the price is a joy in it. I forgot what the number is, very high. How many US citizens, citizens cannot afford a visit to an emergency room? 500 bucks, you gotta have to walk in that door. How many people have that? We're having a problem with this whole thing. And I go, spirituality reveals in a quantum physics world.

• 40:25Speaker 00

  My connection is the biology of that. Is that we are an energy field, a field, like a broadcast right now. And that broadcast get picked up by antennas. On your cells, the ones with nuclei, not red blood cells. And it's very important. Red blood cells, we can transfer from one person to another, no problem. But transferring an organ from one, you can't do that. I go, "Why?" Because, and here's the connection. If I put my liver or lung or kidney into your body, your immune system is gonna say "not self" and destroy it.

• 41:11Speaker 00

  If you put your organ into anybody else's body, their immune system will say "not self." Well, now we got an issue. What makes me different than you? Why is my biology different than your biology? The immune system sees physical things, viruses, bacteria, parasites. If it's looking at your cells and it says "not self," well, there must be something that recognizes self from not self.

• 41:38Mayim Bialik?

  It's the whole purpose of understanding autoimmune disorder, right? Why would the body all of a sudden not recognize itself?

• 41:45Speaker 00

  Consciousness got in the way. It's self, autoimmune defines self-destruction. It's like civilization, it's in self-destruction, okay? So the point about is, what led me then to say, "Well, wait, where is the difference?" And here it is. On the surface of your cells with the exclusion of red blood cells, there are protein receptors on the surface, outer surface, okay? I say, "Well, your biology is a reflection of that. You have eyes, ears, nose, taste, touch, pain. These are receptors. Where are they? In the skin. To do what? Read the environment."

• 42:31Speaker 00

  These receptors are given the name, and it was inappropriate, but now appropriate, called self-receptors.

• 42:40Speaker 00

  Okay? What they didn't recognize is the quantum physics of it. The protein is an antenna. It downloads a vibration frequency. Meaning, no two people are downloading the same broadcast. All the broadcast is like, like a radio, like FM band. And then you turn the knob and here's a station, here's a station, here's a station, where there's a human band. And each of us has our own station. I go, "What was the point? Our identity is the field." I say, "It's the broadcast." I go, "So why is that important?" Analogy.

• 43:24Speaker 00

  The body is like a television set. The self-receptors are an antenna. Bruce is a broadcast. Playing through the antenna, and now you're watching the Bruce show on this TV. Okay? But now comes the beautiful part of the analogy. And I say, "What? You're watching a TV, it breaks?" I say, "TV is dead. No longer, it's not working. It's dead." Did the broadcast die when the body died?

• 44:00Jonathan Cohen?

  Our near-death experiencers would say absolutely not.

• 44:03Speaker 00

  No, absolutely not. Why? It was never part of the body. It was downloaded into the body. Spirit is a field, an energy field. That's what quantum physics is dollars. But now, the mechanism is, why are we different? Each of us has a different set of antennas, downloading our own station. Now, there's two parts. I'm downloading a program, but my life experiences are sent back to source. And so, and it's very important because when you put, "Why is on a person's head to read brain?" We call it EEG, electroencephalograph, read brain function inside my head.

• 44:44Speaker 00

  There's another newer device called magnetoencephalograph, MEG. I say, "What? It reads brain activity?" "Oh, yeah." What's unique? The probe is outside, doesn't touch you at all. Your thoughts are not contained in your head. Your brain is like a tuning fork, vibrating, a field, okay? And that field of your life experiences also goes back to the field of source. So as we come in, our life experiences also are original source. Karma is a scientific reality.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  Then it says, "If I'm coming back, I can adjust my karma." And I say, "What do you mean coming back?" I say, "My television's dead." I go, "Yeah, but here's a very important part. An embryo in the future shows up with the same set of antennas you have right now. Now you're downloaded into a new TV."

• 45:48Mayim Bialik?

  So can we die?

• 45:50Speaker 00

  Your identity doesn't die, your TV dies, okay? But the core part is this. My field is out there, nobody's downloading it. Why? TV's broken, no, nobody. But an embryo shows up with the same antennas, now I'm being downloaded into a new TV.

• 46:06Mayim Bialik?

  That's reincarnation.

• 46:07Speaker 00

  A hundred percent. And then, get ready. Does it make a difference if that TV is male or female? I don't know. That's, you're not the TV, you play through the TV. Bigger one. Does it make a difference if your TV is white, brown, black, red, or yellow? I go, "No, you are not the TV."

• 46:33Jonathan Cohen?

  There's a really interesting point that's probably missing from most reincarnation conversations.

• 46:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 46:40Jonathan Cohen?

  Or the continuation of the soul through many lifetimes.

• 46:43Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 46:45Jonathan Cohen?

  The notion that the broad, or the receptor would be the same in the next version of us.

• 46:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:55Jonathan Cohen?

  How many people are on the earth now? I don't know.

• 46:57Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, I was instantly thinking, like, how many, how many frequencies are there?

• 47:02Jonathan Cohen?

  Right?

• 47:02Speaker 00

  There's an answer.

• 47:03Jonathan Cohen?

  We all have different receptors, which is allowing us to get these different frequencies.

• 47:08Speaker 00

  We have a unique.

• 47:09Jonathan Cohen?

  We have a unique receptors. So I'm imagining just like a car key or the thing that opens your car. It's just slightly different enough to open only that car.

• 47:17Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:18Jonathan Cohen?

  Now I, my TV, my body dies.

• 47:21Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:21Jonathan Cohen?

  My receptor goes with it.

• 47:23Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:23Jonathan Cohen?

  But then, a similar enough receptor to the one that I had.

• 47:27Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:28Jonathan Cohen?

  Has to be recreated somewhere.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 47:30Jonathan Cohen?

  And then, and that body will then take that essence and, you know, and I wanna, I wanna hear what you have to say. And then I wanna frame it with some of the near-death experiencers as they've described it. Because they've talked about what they saw on the other side and like the back office of life as souls go through the process to reengage with that receptor. So tell us about that uniqueness of the receptor.

• 47:55Speaker 00

  Now, as I said, these are proteins. Proteins come from genes, okay? There are three genes that come from your mother and three from your father. They're called HLA genes, okay? And they make the receptors, okay? But, and very unique, all six genes in your body, three from your mother, three from your father, are simultaneously expressed. So you have six separate proteins from these genes. And I goes, "Yes, so what?" I go, "Well, the alterations of a gene are called alleles.

• 48:40Speaker 00

  Same gene, but slightly altered." Well, in HLA A, there's like 590 alleles. HLA B, another like 150 something. And in HLA C, you got another hundred, let's say, okay? So I say, "Well, my HLA, I got, well, one out of 309 for the A and one out of 150 for the B." And it's called a permutation.

• 49:10Mayim Bialik?

  That's a lot of combinations.

• 49:12Speaker 00

  So you multiply all those numbers together. What are the possible combinations?

• 49:17Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 49:18Speaker 00

  And it's about 65 trillion.

• 49:21Jonathan Cohen?

  Hold on. There are 65 trillion possible combinations to make this gene that's the receptor?

• 49:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:29Jonathan Cohen?

  That's a lot of combinations.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, because when you multiply each one times each one twice, and you multiply, the number jumps each time.

• 49:38Mayim Bialik?

  So is that how many souls there are in the universe?

• 49:41Speaker 00

  That's how many potential souls there are in the universe. And we have eight billion, which is nothing. And no two people share the same set. So that's where the numbers come in that you were asking about, Mayim, okay? Because no two, how can I get no two people the same? I said, with that many possible combinations, it's unlikely that two people will be the same.

• 50:06Jonathan Cohen?

  So that hardware component

• 50:10Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 50:10Jonathan Cohen?

  is in some sort of matching rhythm to whatever spiritual quality is on the other side.

• 50:17Speaker 00

  It's called resonance, vibrational resonance. Proteins vibrate. The field has vibration. Quantum physics, harmonic resonance. If two things have the same vibration, you activate one, the other one gets activated. Okay? And so basically, it says, I have receptors that have this vibration code. I can give it a number and say, my frequency is X, whatever. And I say, and the energy in the field, there's that frequency. And there's many, many more frequencies, you know? And I'm downloading my own.

• 50:59Speaker 00

  So when I got this, there was a moment of the biggest aha I could have. What was the point? I cannot die. I'm not even in here.

• 51:12Speaker 00

  And then the reality of it was, oh, my God, I can come back. Why? The next TV that shares my same alleles of the HLA genes, I'm back. That said, wow, wait a minute. We have separated people based on sex. We have separated people based on race. I'm saying, you're focusing on the wrong thing. It's not the TV. It's the broadcaster playing through the TV.

• 51:41Jonathan Cohen?

  Over time, on a mass scale with artificial intelligence, if we could map that receptor, we could determine if someone has come back with the same receptor combination.

• 51:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, these are potential. If you don't know about it, you can't do it. But now, if you know about it, it opens up the door to so many different things. And at some point in the back of my mind, I said, if you have one set of frequencies, I bet you can find a complement to that set of frequencies.

• 52:17Mayim Bialik?

  What does that mean?

• 52:19Speaker 00

  My spiritual partner.

• 52:22Speaker 00

  I found my mate. How do you know your mate? Our energies overlap and we share frequencies. But it can't be the same because then if both people have the same frequencies, they also have, both have the same problem. So it wouldn't help.

• 52:47Mayim Bialik?

  We're going to hit pause here, but there is so much more in part two of our conversation with Dr. Bruce Lipton. We're going to talk about how we can achieve heaven on earth.

• 52:58Jonathan Cohen?

  And why is it that we need our bodies at all? What is it about being incarnated in physical form that is crucial to our experience here on earth?

• 53:09Mayim Bialik?

  Dr. Lipton is also going to talk about the role of psilocybin and transcendental experiences in understanding the nature of our own reality.

• 53:17Jonathan Cohen?

  As well, the myth that life needs to be a struggle. Why was that programmed into us and how do we overcome it?

• 53:25Mayim Bialik?

  All of that and more in part two of our conversation with Bruce Lipton. Make sure to check us out on Substack, biologicbreakdown.substack.com, or search Mayim Bialik's Breakdown on Substack. From our breakdown to the one we hope we never have, we'll see you next time.