NEW Shelby GT350 with over 800 Horsepower! Doug and His Problem with Porsche?

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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:08Speaker 05

  I'm Ken.

• 1:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Felipe. And let's get into the news, starting with the big one.

• 1:12Speaker 05

  Oh, yes, there's a new Mustang GT350. Now, we love the previous generation GT350 and the R. Amazing car, flat plane crank V8, manual transmission, killer. This does not use that engine. This uses a supercharged version of the Coyote V8. It makes 810 horsepower.

• 1:30Doug DeMuro?

  810 horsepower from the new GT350.

• 1:33Speaker 05

  That's a lot.

• 1:33Doug DeMuro?

  Are you aware that the old GT500 had 760 horsepower? The old GT350, didn't the old GT350 have like 560 or something?

• 1:44Speaker 05

  That high number, yeah.

• 1:45Doug DeMuro?

  So they've radically leapfrogged the horsepower count?

• 1:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, again, it's not NA, has a supercharger, so naturally.

• 1:53Doug DeMuro?

  Like the world, if this is the GT350, what will be the GT500?

• 1:57Speaker 05

  A thousand, gotta be a thousand. You have to imagine.

• 2:00Doug DeMuro?

  A thousand in a Mustang?

• 2:02Speaker 06

  Isn't it what like the Corvette?

• 2:03Speaker 05

  Crowds look out.

• 2:04Doug DeMuro?

  That's what they use to kill people in crowds. It is crazy. It's a crazy power number. I'm also surprised to see that this car is being built by Shelby and kind of marketed and specifically directed by Shelby.

• 2:17Speaker 06

  Wait, can you explain that to me?

• 2:18Doug DeMuro?

  Ford is not announcing this. If you go on Ford's website, they still have the old GT350 showing on their site.

• 2:23Speaker 06

  Still for sale.

• 2:24Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, but it's, if you want Ford, if you Google Ford Shelby GT350, like there's webpages that still have it up on Ford's website. But they're not talking about the new one. Shelby American is building this specifically and it's gonna have the powertrain warranty from Ford. So it's done with their blessing, but it's obviously not, like the old one was kind of more of a mass market Ford made it Ford developed it car. This is purely a Shelby thing. Ford has the Dark Horse instead, but it makes you wonder if Ford is getting out of the Shelby Mustang game and focusing on Dark Horse and GTD.

• 2:53Speaker 05

  Right. Now I'd imagine you'll be able to buy it still in Ford showrooms.

• 2:56Doug DeMuro?

  I imagine you will, but I bet it's gonna be pricey and it probably will not have the same like widespread like appeal and sales numbers as the old one did.

• 3:05Speaker 05

  It is pricey. Base is $109,995.

• 3:08Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. That's no way.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  Yes, that is, yes. So they have, they are also doing an R version of this car, but they're only building 36 of those.

• 3:16Doug DeMuro?

  The GT500, the GT500 is like an $80,000 car.

• 3:20Speaker 06

  The Mustang Dark Horse with options is in the 80s too.

• 3:24Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Everything's gotten more expensive. That's crazy. So the GT350 as we know it is gone. It has morphed from a 500 horsepower car that Ford sells at 60 grand to a Shelby built like special kind of limited project that's gonna cost $130,000 and have 800 horsepower. Here's the question. Ford's out of this game.

• 3:44Speaker 06

  The last GT350 and GT350R impressed everybody with like, the engine was special, the handling from your review was exceptional, which is not what you expected at the time from a Mustang. Do you think that this will live up to that? Do you think they went too big on power? Because the GT500 didn't get that same like handling acclaim.

• 4:02Speaker 05

  Well, to be clear, it's not just power, obviously. I mean, they did a lot underneath to, yeah, to make it handle the power. And this one, I believe, is also, it's available as a manual and an automatic, which the last one was only a manual.

• 4:12Doug DeMuro?

  I just don't view this in the same league as the old one. Like, it's by name alone, it's kind of similar. But other than that, they've really messed with, I think Ford has clearly taken a step back from this. Mustang sales haven't been strong. They don't want to invest a huge amount more in Mustang sports car, clearly. And so they let Shelby run with this and they're saying, we're out. You know, Ford does this. The Shelby brand has kind of come and gone with the Mustang over the years. There have been entire generations that either didn't offer it or offered it in very small numbers. And then the last gen, they really blew it up again. Cobra was a big name that they used for years and have stopped using for a while. Maybe they're taking a little hiatus from this kind of thing, but this is a different GT350 than the one we know. It's not just a replacement. This is like a totally different world. Price, power, the way it's being distributed. This is a totally different thing.

• 4:55Speaker 06

  Remember when the Hellcat came out and it had 707 horsepower? And we were all like, that's insane. No car will ever have more. And then we kind of accepted that EVs would have more power.

• 5:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:04Speaker 06

  And now this has 800 whatever.

• 5:07Doug DeMuro?

  Well, to be clear, this car costs a lot more than the Hellcat did when it came out, when you and me almost crashed street speed 717s.

• 5:13Speaker 06

  I distinctly remember. My god.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  I can't believe you were in the car.

• 5:15Speaker 06

  In the car.

• 5:16Doug DeMuro?

  Um, he was in the backseat too. He would have been the one to.

• 5:18Speaker 06

  I was on the other side of the tree.

• 5:19Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I mean?

• 5:20Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I see what you mean.

• 5:21Doug DeMuro?

  Like, you crash, the car's on fire, the door people get out.

• 5:26Speaker 06

  It is the downside of two-door coupes.

• 5:28Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not saying he was expendable, but I'm saying it would have been hard to get him out.

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it was crazy when that car came out. And yes, now a lot of stuff has 800, 900, 1000 horsepower.

• 5:38Speaker 06

  But including gas cars.

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  Including gas cars. Yep.

• 5:41Speaker 06

  Whole new world.

• 5:41Doug DeMuro?

  Whole new world indeed. Speaking of a whole new world, our next news story, ha, some sort of 30-year-old Ferrari.

• 5:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 5:48Doug DeMuro?

  What's news?

• 5:49Speaker 05

  The mighty F40 is always news, but this one is specific. So this car has been, this one, if you look closely, is not a stock F40.

• 5:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, it looks like the wheels are bigger.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  This one has been played with a company called, is it Offician? Is that how it's pronounced? Fiavellanti. So this car, the idea with this is very similar to what was done with your Carrera GT. Keep the recipe larger than the same, make it visually, basically identical, but make it usable. Give it, no, it's still red. Just look, anyway. So this car has upgraded dampers. It has Olin's TTX 36 dampers, which give it a lot more. They have internal reservoirs and they're much more compact to actually use on Formula 3 cars, which is a thing that you didn't know about. This car also critically has upgraded brakes. Brembo six piston front and four piston rear brakes.

• 6:32Doug DeMuro?

  That's why it has bigger wheels.

• 6:33Speaker 05

  Hence the bigger wheels, correct. It has 18 inch front and 19 inch rears, which come on a choice of Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or Pirelli P0 tires if you still want to die. And this car also, more than this though.

• 6:47Speaker 05

  I don't like Pirellis, but it also, it has a hydraulic steering servo assist to make the steering faster, so you can catch it more.

• 6:54Doug DeMuro?

  So what do you think? This is like a good restomod, like a well-executed?

• 6:58Speaker 05

  Well, the timing is something after the two accident videos come out and then all of a sudden, here's a car that, you know, has been healed, if you will, from its handling.

• 7:06Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I'd like to just sit here and say, "Thank you, Kenan, for validating the decisions I've made on my Carrera GT", as my Carrera GT is in fact, exactly this. The car just improved.

• 7:18Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 7:19Doug DeMuro?

  Improved. Better suspension, better tires, heated seats.

• 7:24Speaker 06

  I thought Kenan was referring to when you sent it back to Porsche to get...

• 7:26Doug DeMuro?

  The only reason I let him leave this news story in here is because I think at its core, this news story is validating who I am.

• 7:34Speaker 06

  Does it have heated seats?

• 7:35Doug DeMuro?

  Does it have heated seats, Kenan?

• 7:37Speaker 05

  No. Actually, your car has heated seats. This car, I don't think, they didn't change anything. Like, the engine is the same. They didn't mess around with, they, to your point.

• 7:48Doug DeMuro?

  But they modernized it in a way. And this is, to be honest, okay, supercar makers are not manufacturing cars that analog car enthusiasts are interested in anymore. The way to stay up, the way to keep these cars fresh, is to do this kind of stuff and to do what I did with my Carrera GT. There's people on Renlist who are like, "You messed with the suspension! How could you do that?" Well, the suspension's 20 years old. The technology is 20 years old. We can improve it. Same with the tires. I don't run the same crappy tires that it had when it was new, right? We have new tires on there. And that's how you do it. I think if you want to enjoy analog cars in the modern era, and I'll tell you something, my Carrera GT handles like a pista. It truly does now because of those upgrades and I bet this is significantly improved too. And by the way, brakes is the number one thing an F40 could use.

• 8:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, which has always been something they did. I mean, the F40 LM had, and that's a very common modification to add the LM brakes to in a 40. Then you have to do the wheels too. At least these wheels look, they're a little large looking.

• 8:42Doug DeMuro?

  No, they look fine.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  But they look fun.

• 8:44Doug DeMuro?

  Terrible. Wouldn't even consider it. I wouldn't even consider it. Look, it looks like, it looks like you're riding an F40 on docks. Look at that in there. That's ridiculous. That's ridic- why don't you put, why don't you put some of those two spoke bar across wheels? At least the design looks appropriate.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  Hey Ben, if you're going to actually use your F40 and you don't want to crash as, you know, the two very recently have.

• 9:03Doug DeMuro?

  You'll still.

• 9:04Speaker 05

  Maybe this is what you have to do.

• 9:05Doug DeMuro?

  Wait until the tires are warm, drive it responsibly. There are better ways to do it. However, the point is that you are validating the decisions I made with my career GT.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  You are welcome.

• 9:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You're welcome. Okay, next news story and this is a, this is a tough one, folks. I'm sorry. People are going to turn off the pod right now because they're so distraught. They're just, they're angry. And call BMW. BMW, Ken, this is a BMW news story. It's a big one.

• 9:30Speaker 05

  I'm hanging on.

• 9:32Doug DeMuro?

  Gesture control is gone. Now, for those of you who don't know what gesture control is, which is everyone who doesn't have a BMW and most people who do. Gesture control was this thing where you could like make hand motions and it would correspond to actual engagement with the radio mostly, the infotainment system. Now, I rented an X7 two, three months ago and I'm driving along and I remember it's got gesture control. I want to change the song. Did it work? Every time and it's all I did. It's all I did. Want the volume to go up? No way. I did not use gesture control. Now, my front passenger was perplexed. Yeah. Like we're driving along and I'm like.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  Normally when a BMW driver does that, it's the telling the person in front of them to move over, get out of the left lane.

• 10:18Doug DeMuro?

  He was in both. It was odd. However, it works beautifully. And you know what it did? It saved me from the indignity of having to press a button like a. On the steering wheel. Like a plebeian. Right. I was able to instead do this. Yeah. So anyway, it's gone. And do you have any? Did they give a reason why? Yeah, it's, it's obviously stupid. Now, they're also getting. That was their primary reason. Yep. When interviewed BMW's head of PR said, yes, this was obviously stupid and we should have gotten away with it years ago. Now, they're also getting rid of, this is a big one, the iDrive controller. What? The knob? The knob. Sorry. Current cars have both gesture control and the knob. And they're on a touchscreen and you can work it on the button on the steering wheel. Now, when I was a child, a mere boy, 2002, the E65 comes out.

• 11:03Doug DeMuro?

  This is Kenan's dream car. It is nuts. Especially the 745.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  I don't know what I'm doing. Need a break. Forget it, I quit.

• 11:12Speaker 01

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• 11:13Speaker 02

  This is objectively fantastic.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Relax into the movies and shows you already know and love, all for free. Shwing. Even our news is uplifting.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  You stay classy, San Diego.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Watch Tommy Boy, Crazy Ex Girlfriend, Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy, The Ex Files, Wayne's World, and so much more.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  We're not worthy.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  The best things on TV really are free.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  You just have to know where to look.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  Escape to Pluto TV. Stream now, pay never.

• 11:37Speaker 03

  Para los grandes, para los chicos, para los bajos y los altos, los pacifistas, los valientes, para los optimistas y los pesimistas, los que valoran lo de adentro, para los que están lejos, los que no ven de lejos, y los que no ven de cerca, para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos, para los que piensan y los que hacen, para los que nos mostraron el camino, Coca-Cola, para todos. Compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted.

• 12:08Doug DeMuro?

  The 745. Yep. LI. The 7 series. And they launched iDrive, which was actually terrible. Like, it's actually kind of funny because people complained about how bad it was then and you get in the car in retrospect and you're like, oh, they just weren't ready for technology. No, it was bad. Like BMW hadn't developed it well. Like, it had been developed poorly. They fixed it quickly. They fixed it and they fixed it and they refined it and they got to the point where the IX has a crystal iDrive knob and now it's all gone. It's all gone.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  Can I talk about the IX?

• 12:36Doug DeMuro?

  After 20 years BMW says, you know what? You people were right all along.

• 12:40Speaker 06

  I have something that I'm a little bit worried about.

• 12:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 12:42Speaker 06

  So the IX just got a refresh, is why I lost the knob, and there's a new grille.

• 12:46Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 12:46Speaker 06

  You may recall when the IX came out, the big news was that the grille was self-healing.

• 12:51Doug DeMuro?

  Self-healing.

• 12:51Speaker 06

  I have not found a single piece of PR that says it's the new grille.

• 12:55Doug DeMuro?

  The new grille might not be self-healing.

• 12:57Speaker 05

  Oh, that's a shame.

• 12:58Speaker 06

  If it's not self-healing, do you want an IX?

• 13:00Doug DeMuro?

  Do you want an IX? Okay, now, for those of you who don't know what Filippo was talking about is when the BMW IX first came out, Yep. It had, it had its giant front grille, they advertised that if you got a rock chip, it would, in heat, self-heal.

• 13:14Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 13:15Doug DeMuro?

  This was obviously the stupidest thing ever to exist, aside from gesture control in the first place.

• 13:19Speaker 06

  But it was a really big grille, and you need to do something.

• 13:21Doug DeMuro?

  You needed to do something, it had to have some trick.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 13:23Doug DeMuro?

  And the trick was that it was self-healing. And that's maybe gone. We don't know.

• 13:27Speaker 06

  It's a shame that I don't, I couldn't find out, I tried.

• 13:29Doug DeMuro?

  You agree that every time you see an IX, you think to yourself, self-healing grille?

• 13:32Speaker 06

  I do, I have a hundred percent.

• 13:34Doug DeMuro?

  Every time.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  I see one, I go, that's a pretty good lease deal.

• 13:37Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty good lease deal. It's a cool car.

• 13:38Speaker 06

  The, the refresh one, don't worry, still has a giant grille.

• 13:41Doug DeMuro?

  Still giant grille, but no longer self-healing.

• 13:43Speaker 06

  I don't know, why aren't they talking about this? They need to talk about it.

• 13:46Doug DeMuro?

  They gotta talk about it.

• 13:47Speaker 06

  BMW PR, please tell us.

• 13:48Doug DeMuro?

  BMW is ruining everything we hold dear. You can no longer do this, and now the grille doesn't self-heal in heat like a Gecko that loses an arm?

• 13:56Speaker 06

  Again.

• 13:57Doug DeMuro?

  This is, what, what has happened?

• 13:59Speaker 06

  I want to be clear, maybe.

• 14:00Speaker 05

  That's a good thing their cars are beautiful. Oh, that's not right either.

• 14:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, move on to the next news story, please.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  Ah, yes, so, to talk about Bentley, so,

• 14:08Speaker 06

  Bentley.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Bentley has announced that they're making the world, I have to get, read this to get it right, the world's first luxury urban SUV. Not just a luxury SUV, not an urbanist, just an urbanist SUV.

• 14:19Speaker 06

  Are they not familiar with the Lexus UX, which is a urban explorer?

• 14:22Speaker 05

  I'm gonna be completely honest with you, no, they are absolutely, Bentley is absolutely not familiar with, but it was recently spotted.

• 14:27Doug DeMuro?

  Neither is the, buying public.

• 14:30Speaker 05

  But it was recently spotted driving around, and it's dressed up as a Porsche Cayenne. Uh, so,

• 14:35Speaker 06

  With some Ioniq 5 tails.

• 14:37Speaker 05

  Well, the thing that gives this away, that it's, it's a Bentley, is that, definitely not how it looks, but it had British tags on it, from the front and the rear, and this platform, obviously, is shared between Volkswagen and Bentley, as they own Bentley. Yes.

• 14:49Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's

• 14:49Speaker 05

  Well, it's a Cayenne looking thing.

• 14:51Doug DeMuro?

  The window line's not right. No, it's not a Cayenne, but it's clearly intended to

• 14:54Speaker 05

  It looked like a Cayenne.

• 14:55Doug DeMuro?

  Which may be true in production, honestly, because this looks relatively far along. In fact, that mirror, well, that's a Bentley-ish mirror, too.

• 15:01Speaker 05

  It's a Bentley-ish mirror.

• 15:01Doug DeMuro?

  It's kind of Porsche-ish.

• 15:02Speaker 05

  Bentley has said also that this isn't replacing the Bentayga, it's going to become like its own line.

• 15:07Doug DeMuro?

  So what do we think, luxury urbanist, meaning it has no off-road capabilities of any variety?

• 15:12Speaker 05

  I guess, which, you know, so many people took the Bentayga off-road.

• 15:15Doug DeMuro?

  Are you kidding? Flip and I went fox hunting, we went fox hunting at least, at least three hunts a year.

• 15:19Speaker 05

  You shot a fox?

• 15:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, the foxes help us hunt, I think.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  No, no, you use hounds to hunt the fox. You're killing the fox.

• 15:27Doug DeMuro?

  We need to know about this if we're gonna go again. We just went out there, too.

• 15:30Speaker 05

  Well, it was a successful hunt, boys.

• 15:31Doug DeMuro?

  We just went out in a Bentayga because we wanted to look the part.

• 15:33Speaker 05

  Or you wanted to play the bugle or whatever.

• 15:35Doug DeMuro?

  So this is fully electric?

• 15:36Speaker 05

  Yes, I believe that is the thing. This is fully electric.

• 15:38Doug DeMuro?

  Because I don't see a taillight.

• 15:39Speaker 05

  I don't see tailpipes, and I think that is, that is the idea here.

• 15:42Doug DeMuro?

  I see a lot of rear end treatment that I'm not, I'm not that into, but I don't see a taillight.

• 15:45Speaker 05

  Which, of course, Bentley has been slow to EVs. They've been, and they've, I, I think the luxury manufacturers, Rolls Royce, who admittedly makes an EV, have been hesitant because it does inconvenience the people who own them. You have to plug it in, and that is an inconvenience to have to wait. Rich people don't wait.

• 16:00Doug DeMuro?

  Rolls Royce literally has an EV.

• 16:01Speaker 05

  Yes, but, yes, but they've

• 16:02Doug DeMuro?

  They're only a new car in a while.

• 16:04Speaker 05

  They took a long time to do it because they really wanted the technology to be okay. And I think Bentley's done the same thing, but it's clear it's coming.

• 16:10Doug DeMuro?

  It does make sense for these brands to make EVs, though, because it's quiet.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  Silent. It's the best thing that EV manufacturers

• 16:14Doug DeMuro?

  You know another way you can, you know, this is a Bentley, I bet you those stupid square taillights cover up the big oval that Bentley's trying to sell.

• 16:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they do, too.

• 16:21Doug DeMuro?

  But either way, so urban SUV, so they're, they're gonna make this into a, like a off, like a urban luxury electric SUV. Not a Bentayga, but like a very high-end, you drive it around town. That's how everybody uses their Bentaygas in London, anyway.

• 16:35Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:36Doug DeMuro?

  To be honest.

• 16:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, so I don't think, I don't think it's a bad thing. I think EV, like I was saying, makes sense for these luxury manufacturers because of the silence, instant performance.

• 16:43Doug DeMuro?

  It's not like it's taking away some sports car that we're missing out on.

• 16:46Speaker 05

  No.

• 16:46Doug DeMuro?

  I am, I am still curious about execution. We'll, we'll see how it checks down.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  I'll bet you you really like it when it comes out. I have a hunch.

• 16:53Doug DeMuro?

  I do like a lot of these things.

• 16:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, I suspect that is the case.

• 16:56Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, give us our next one. Oh! There is a new.

• 16:59Speaker 06

  Miata 35th anniversary.

• 17:01Doug DeMuro?

  35th anniversary. The 30th was the orange one.

• 17:04Speaker 06

  The 30th was the orange one which had Brembo and BBS wheels and something else.

• 17:09Doug DeMuro?

  The 35th is this dark red situation.

• 17:11Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 17:11Doug DeMuro?

  And that is it. No, it's got a couple of upgrades. I was reading it. It's got a good, it's manual only, it's soft top only, you can't get an RF. And it's got a couple of nice-

• 17:19Speaker 06

  So it's a regular Miata grand touring in a different color, but with one additional thing. You notice? Um, it comes with a non-track day. I read that in Car and Driver. It does come with an experience that they haven't announced what it is, but it's not attractive. But it comes with a color matched key.

• 17:34Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, and leather pouch. So take that.

• 17:36Speaker 06

  The key is not color matched. The leather pouch is color matched.

• 17:39Doug DeMuro?

  Color is distinctive. This was on CX90.

• 17:40Speaker 06

  Correct.

• 17:41Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't attractive on that car.

• 17:43Speaker 06

  It's attractive. I like the color. My wife's nails are often this color.

• 17:46Doug DeMuro?

  Soul red. Soul red is the color of God.

• 17:50Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:51Doug DeMuro?

  Soul red was given to us by God through Mazda for some reason. God chose Mazda.

• 17:55Speaker 06

  It really was, yeah.

• 17:56Doug DeMuro?

  And he said, "I will give you this color," and then Mazda dispelled it upon the followers.

• 18:01Speaker 06

  The populace.

• 18:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. And now that we have this instead.

• 18:04Speaker 06

  It is called artisan red for the record.

• 18:05Doug DeMuro?

  This is a distinctive wheel, don't you think?

• 18:08Speaker 06

  I actually don't think it is.

• 18:09Doug DeMuro?

  So the ND, they're still going with the ND. Mazda's always done these special edition things. Yeah, but we're still going with the ND.

• 18:15Speaker 06

  The, so I've-

• 18:17Doug DeMuro?

  It's 10 years.

• 18:17Speaker 06

  I spent a little bit of time on the Miata forums. And people are a little bit disappointed that this doesn't have anything special. Because the 30th anniversary was cool. It was that orange-

• 18:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:26Speaker 06

  Had the wheels, had the Brembo brakes, had Olin's, it's been resurfaced, had some suspension upgrades. This is a grand touring in a different color.

• 18:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it's manual only, it's got a tan, listen, what, in, back in my day, Kenon in my day, back in the N A N B. Mazda used to do a Miata special edition every year, and it was always like a color in a wheel.

• 18:44Speaker 06

  Mica edition.

• 18:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. That was it.

• 18:46Speaker 06

  It's very similar to that.

• 18:47Doug DeMuro?

  People have gotten too used to good things. We're gonna, we're gonna dial it back.

• 18:51Speaker 05

  There is a great website that details every special edition. We've used it a lot for cars, because I'm writing stuff, and I reference it all the time. When you go through, it is like that, it's like wheels.

• 19:00Doug DeMuro?

  Some of them were special in a very special way, let's just say.

• 19:05Speaker 05

  Yes, yes.

• 19:06Doug DeMuro?

  And those are the ones people brag about having. I got the, I got the NB or whatever, and it's like, oh, well.

• 19:10Speaker 05

  Is it a Mazda Speed? Well?

• 19:12Speaker 06

  Right.

• 19:12Doug DeMuro?

  To us, it's like N A, N B, NB Mazda Speed, N C, N D.

• 19:15Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 19:16Doug DeMuro?

  And we're out.

• 19:17Speaker 06

  I, I will say, the Mazda releases a new color or two every year for the, the Max 5. And the last two years have been like gray colors for their like new color for the year. So it's nice that at least this is like- A vibrant.

• 19:29Doug DeMuro?

  But you would get soul red.

• 19:31Speaker 06

  No, I'd get that.

• 19:32Doug DeMuro?

  You wouldn't get an orange one off the site, a used orange one?

• 19:34Speaker 06

  No, I would.

• 19:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:35Speaker 06

  Also, they're only making 300 something of these, 300 cars in the US.

• 19:39Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it looks like that old Merlot edition.

• 19:41Speaker 06

  Merlot Micra, yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 05

  That's what I was thinking. That's exactly what it looks like.

• 19:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, give us our last news story, which is the most important of all.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 19:47Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, look at that beautiful generic SUV.

• 19:51Speaker 06

  This is a QX50. There's also a QX55, which is a coupe version of this.

• 19:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 06

  They're both dead.

• 19:56Doug DeMuro?

  They're dead. They're gone, folks. This is it. This is the end for the QX50 and QX55. A lot of people out there saying, they made those still? They made those at all?

• 20:03Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 20:04Doug DeMuro?

  No, you know who's mad about this? Enterprise, because they could upsell you, be like, oh, you get a luxury SUV, sir. And then you show up and they give you an Infiniti and you're like, wait a minute.

• 20:11Speaker 05

  This is the X5 or equivalent?

• 20:12Speaker 06

  No, this is X3.

• 20:13Doug DeMuro?

  Right. This is equivalent?

• 20:16Speaker 06

  I want to be clear, X3 replacement.

• 20:17Doug DeMuro?

  Now, Infiniti says.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  Which is also bad.

• 20:20Doug DeMuro?

  Infiniti says they're going to refresh or redesign the QX60 and come out with a coupe version called the QX65.

• 20:26Speaker 06

  At least they're consistent.

• 20:27Doug DeMuro?

  I would like, at this moment, January, whatever date this airs.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  What is it? Air Friday?

• 20:32Doug DeMuro?

  31st.

• 20:35Doug DeMuro?

  To start an Infiniti death watch.

• 20:37Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  Oh, wow.

• 20:38Speaker 06

  We're doing it, our first death watch.

• 20:39Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta say, you gotta admit, this is coming to an end.

• 20:42Speaker 06

  If you, as a manufacturer, are getting rid of your compact luxury SUV.

• 20:47Speaker 05

  It's not looking good.

• 20:48Speaker 06

  It's not a good situation.

• 20:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's not like this is 80%. The Tesla Model Y, the best selling car in the world. Infiniti, as their competitor, like, we're going to actually exit the segment. You know, we just decided.

• 20:59Speaker 06

  Why don't they have an Infiniti Aria?

• 21:00Doug DeMuro?

  Infiniti doesn't have anything. My opinion, and my opinion may be wrong, but in my opinion, they're down to the QX60 and the QX80.

• 21:07Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 21:07Doug DeMuro?

  This is it. It's a, it's a death watch.

• 21:10Speaker 06

  They still sell the Q50, but the Q50, the QX50 and the QX55 are the only other.

• 21:14Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, they sell the Q50? No.

• 21:16Speaker 06

  According to their website, they sell the Q50.

• 21:18Doug DeMuro?

  They're just used versions of the existing ones.

• 21:20Speaker 06

  I'd like, the X3 BMW's best selling car. The Q5, Audi's best selling car, probably.

• 21:26Doug DeMuro?

  How do you get rid of your smaller SUV? BMW has nine SUVs, ten. Some number that's insane. They have two products. Right. Infiniti is over, you're hearing it here first, and if they actually do this Honda merger. So over. It's over, over. There's no way Accurate and Infiniti both survive, especially when, if you really, really look at the numbers, probably neither of them should survive. Also, Infiniti's gotta be a US-only brand. Well, they tried, remember they tried in Europe? And it was, it was the worst failure in the entire history of failures. It was worse than Hindenburg. And that blew up. Wow. That caught fire. I want to be clear, because Hindenburg apologists do exist, but it didn't blow up. Right. It burned. It burned, it burned, and then cascaded to the ground, killing people. apologists do exist. Killing people. And the Infiniti launch in Europe was similarly bad, especially because it also included them trying to bind to Formula One. Do you remember this?

• 22:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, absolutely. They sponsored cars. They didn't actually, they weren't actually involved with the cars. They didn't have a team? I thought there was an Infiniti-Red Bull team. They sponsored Red Bull. They did. No, they were not involved with the engineering of the cars. But wasn't the team called Infiniti-Red Bull? They, like, do you think Patronus is there, wrenching on Mercedes cars? But it's Mercedes-MG Patronus. It was the same thing. It was a sponsor, it wasn't. But nonetheless, I mean, it was the name of the team. Yes, they gave a lot of money.

• 22:35Doug DeMuro?

  That couldn't have been cheap. No, I'm sure it wasn't. And they launched all these cars in Europe, and it lasted like two years, and Europeans were like, "Yeah, actually, we're good. These are trash." And you gotta admit, Infiniti cannot last. This has to be coming to an end. There is a new QX80, you've reviewed it, you liked it. Yeah, it was good. Unfortunately, their model also exists. There's a Nissan version. The QX60 is a great.

• 22:59Doug DeMuro?

  It was. When it, when the QX60 came out in 2012, when I was in middle school, it was a great car. I love how the QX60 looks. By the way, at that time, it was called the JX35. Yeah, I love how the QX60 looks.

• 23:07Doug DeMuro?

  No, actually, there's a redesigned one. Because they redesigned it based on the Pathfinder a couple of years ago. Yeah. No one knows, because no one cares.

• 23:13Doug DeMuro?

  I like how the current one looks. Looks great, but. Okay. Uh, it's time to move on to the Talk Cars segment. Talk Cars, Talk Cars. This segment is sponsored by? Uh, the Carrera GT, a V10 developed for Formula One. Okay. Not Formula One. Have a cool car you're looking to sell? Sell it on Cars and Bids. It is absolutely free. That's right, free. It's free. To sell your car on Cars and Bids. And you get the entirety of the final sale price, no hidden fees. It just takes a few minutes to submit your car and our expert auction specialist team will build your listing and get it live on Cars and Bids in as little as three days. Cars and Bids has over 750,000 registered users

• 23:56Doug DeMuro?

  and our content brings more eyeballs to your auction than our competitors. Get started today. Go to carsandbids.com and hit the Sell Car button. I can't wait to write your Doug's take. Okay, uh, speaking of Carrera GT, our Talk Car segment lead story today is that I am not a Porsche guy. Please try to justify this. Okay, alright. Worked for Porsche. Yeah, okay, you know what? Oh, company cars. Worked for Porsche, I did work for Porsche years ago. That's the number one thing people use to say that I'm a Porsche guy. Let me tell you something. If you worked there, if you spent any time working there, I'm gonna try to be diplomatic here. That wouldn't make you more of a Porsche guy. Let's just put it that way. Let's just, let's just make it, make it really clear here.

• 24:39Doug DeMuro?

  My time at Porsche, when I went in very excited and I left less excited, it certainly didn't make me thrilled to be in the Porsche sphere, if you know what I'm saying. Good luck to all my friends who are still there. It's going great, I bet. Um, okay, so anyway, working. I did work there and believe it or not, that experience did not take it out of me completely. Um, but, most people now say, because I have the Carrera GT, you know, that's only the second Porsche I've ever had. And I went and looked at all the cars I've had. Except for all the ones that you had. I had two. Well, I had some company cars, but I crashed most of them. Hard argue that. Um, I, I went and looked and you know what I am actually secretly that no one accuses me of, but they should? Mercedes Benz.

• 25:23Doug DeMuro?

  Is a Mercedes Benz guy. I've had only two Porsche, I've had seven Mercedes Benz. I have two Mercedes Benz right now. What's your other Porsche?

• 25:29Speaker 05

  I've always accused you.

• 25:30Doug DeMuro?

  I had a nine and six turbo years ago for like six months.

• 25:33Speaker 05

  With bump, with bump rats. I've always accused you of being a Mercedes guy because you've only, you've owned one BMW and E3673 sedan, which got totaled or something, not where you were driving, but later on.

• 25:41Doug DeMuro?

  Later.

• 25:41Speaker 05

  But you've owned a ton of Mercedes Benz.

• 25:43Doug DeMuro?

  I've had seven Mercedes Benz. I've had five or something E-Class. You currently own two Mercedes Benz products. And for some reason people are like, oh, he's a Porsche guy. I, I'm, I'm not a Porsche guy on so many levels. I don't care about the options. I don't know any of the colors. People are like, oh, is that Miami blue? I'm like, I don't have any clue at all what the colors are. Literally none. You don't wear a watch? I'm not into the watch thing. I'm not into the stitching thing. I don't give a, and I hate the 356. And I think that that is the number one.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:13Doug DeMuro?

  Thing that is clearly. You agree though that you're slowly becoming a Porsche guy as Porsche becomes the enthusiast. I'm not interested in more Porsches though. You want a nine nine three. Well, okay, but I also want a super turbo. Am I a Toyota guy? And the answer is yes, because I've had, I've had four Toyotas. Four. How many were Land Cruisers? Uh, a, a, two Land Cruisers, a Sequoia and a first gen Prius. Did you have a first gen Prius? Sadly, no.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  First gen Prius?

• 26:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yup. By the way, I've had three Nissans. You would refer to that as a second gen Prius for the record. That is a second gen Prius. The first gen was Dupane only. Not too many people know that. I've had three Nissans. I've had more Nissans than Porsche. You want to call me a Nissan guy? Fine. I'll wear it, dude. Infinity. Oh, I hope you survive. I hope you make it. What Nissan? You, you had a cube. I had a cube. I had a Skyline GTR and I had, what else? There was, oh, the S-Cargo. Boom! The S-Cargo counts less than your Porsche corporate cars. I drove the S-Cargo more than you drove the S-Cargo. Oh my God, I loved the S-Cargo. You kidding? It was a snail. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

• 27:06Speaker 05

  It was a snail and a pun. It was everything.

• 27:08Doug DeMuro?

  We used to drive, it was a snail and a pun. We used to drive there around Philly. People would freak out. It was like driving the Countach. Swear to God.

• 27:15Speaker 05

  I mean, yeah, that's one thing that Philadelphians would actually be happy to see. They wouldn't want to destroy.

• 27:19Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that's true. Uh, anyway, so I'm not a Porsche guy. Okay. I want to set the record on this.

• 27:25Speaker 05

  All right. You've set the record.

• 27:26Doug DeMuro?

  Do you agree?

• 27:26Speaker 05

  You're not a Porsche guy, you're a Mercedes guy and a Toyota guy.

• 27:28Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, I'm an objective observer of the automotive industry and I think if you're an objective observer of the automotive industry, you end up buying a bunch of Mercedes. Cause they make really nice cars. Are you familiar with the C300? Yeah, the C300. They had a stick. No, no, current one. Well, you can shift gears.

• 27:45Speaker 05

  Maybe people feel that way because you do have the courage to, we also recommend Porsches a ton.

• 27:49Doug DeMuro?

  Because honestly, they're generally speaking, they're like, the, the reason that Porsches are so well recommended by me and so many car viewers is they do a lot of stuff well. Even though I've only had two Porsches and I'm not really interested in more and I don't really like the community. They are the best examples of cars that give daily driving enjoyment and have like fun. Ferraris go way too far on the fun scale. You know, a lot like my AMG Mercedes go too far on the daily driving enjoyment. They're not really that enjoyable to toss around. Porsche uniquely does that well and you don't have to be a Porsche guy to understand that. You just have to be a car enthusiast, which is why most car enthusiasts end up getting Porsches.

• 28:30Doug DeMuro?

  But I'm more of a Nissan guy. By the way, I've had four Land Rovers and two Fords. I've had the same number of Fords.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Ford GT and a?

• 28:38Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I had an Explorer Sport.

• 28:40Speaker 05

  Really?

• 28:40Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, one, oh, one buddy. That's the, that was the third gen Explorer Sport that didn't have a four door version, except the truck. So the third gen Explorer Sport, there was the two door and the truck, but the four door got a different body.

• 28:53Speaker 05

  Sport track.

• 28:53Doug DeMuro?

  We're going deep into this, the sport track. Okay.

• 28:56Speaker 05

  Deep into that. I will say that your point is spot on. Like, and I will also note, not the entire Porsche, people that buy my cons don't know about the decision.

• 29:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 29:05Speaker 05

  So you can, you can be part of that.

• 29:06Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, anyone who knows me, I wouldn't think, would say I'm a Porsche person, especially because of some of the way that I talk about some of those folks when the cameras are off.

• 29:14Speaker 05

  I fit, yeah. I, I, I fit into that category of Porsche person more because I'm pedantic and I like really find details.

• 29:21Doug DeMuro?

  You need to get a Porsche. And on that subject, we have to have a callback to an incident we had last week on the show.

• 29:27Speaker 05

  Yes. Now, last week, somebody asked a question and they asked that for me, they asked three questions, but the one to me was. Would I for no cost take a 993 Turbo S? It doesn't cost me a dime. But I can never drive, I can never, let me finish. Stop speaking. But I can never drive in, experience, or own another E39 M5 again for the rest of my life. And my knee jerk reaction was one I needed to think about. And so I said, no. And so I thought about it a lot. I spent hours thinking about this this week.

• 29:59Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  And there are some things I need to, I have to apologize to 993 community for starters. One is that unlike, like I have actually driven a 993 Turbo S. They're very rare, very expensive, very few people have driven them. You've driven a Turbo S?

• 30:13Doug DeMuro?

  Only, I've never driven the holy one, only the

• 30:15Speaker 05

  I've driven God. I've driven God. It's amazing. It does 0 to 60 in 3.7 seconds, 60 man transmission.

• 30:21Doug DeMuro?

  Same as a Cragger.

• 30:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's fast. The beauty of that car is that it true, the turbo is excellent, but the Turbo S combines true modern day performance with analog feel. You know, the door closes with that and all the gauges are beautiful and it smells like an old car, but it's fast.

• 30:36Doug DeMuro?

  In the fenders. It's the only difference. It's worth triple because it has holes in the fenders.

• 30:40Speaker 05

  Not true, but I did a whole video on it. You can go and watch it. I talked about all the differences, but it's one of the greats. But when I was filming it, there was a guy there who was like the curator of the car. And anytime I would like get a fingerprint on it, he would come over and spray details. He just loved the car. For him, it ignited like a passion and an excitement in him because he loved the car, which is great. I really liked the Turbo S. I don't love it. And when you're asking me to do is to give up a car I really love for a variety of reasons. It fits in my life. I've been sentimental about it. It's a wonderful car to drive. And you're asking me to give up something I burn for, for a car that I don't. Now, there are cars that I would give up the M5 experience for.

• 31:21Doug DeMuro?

  Acura, McLaren F1.

• 31:23Speaker 05

  Ferrari 550, yeah, like, yeah, McLaren F1.

• 31:26Doug DeMuro?

  Do it for a 550?

• 31:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, the 550 is an amazing car.

• 31:29Doug DeMuro?

  Forever give up an E39 M5 forever. Never be able to touch one again. Not even touch, not even lick for a Ferrari 550?

• 31:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think I would because I really love the 550. The point

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  We talking Barca or we talking regular?

• 31:44Speaker 05

  I can have other cars, right? Yeah.

• 31:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you can have a Cura.

• 31:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, a Barca. I chop those, you know, those scroll hoops right off. This is fascinating. But the thing with it is. I take a 93 turbo, it's over a 550. The thing about it is, is that like, although I'm not married to the, you're a Porsche guy, that's right. Although I'm not married to the idea of having the M5 forever, it has done so much for me and how I feel. My grandfather recently died at the beginning of the year, and it made me really think a lot about like how I feel and relate to things in the, the subject of time, because time is really finite. And for me, I want to experience that with the people that I like. Yeah. And the objects that I like. And the M5 for me is one of those objects. Anytime I'm in the car when I was dealing with grief or feeling bad, I close that door

• 32:29Speaker 05

  and I go and I feel those ITBs sucking in air and it to me just takes me to another place.

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• 33:35Speaker 05

  Don't you think, I'm playing devil's advocate here, because honestly, at this point, I, you know, you can...

• 33:41Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't, I, I, this doesn't affect me, but I'm playing devil's advocate. Don't you think, don't you think that you could have that same, like at some point, well, you grow out of, like Filippo, okay, Filippo and his blankie, right? We're not supposed to talk about it on the air, but we're gonna today. Filippo has a blankie, he's always had his blankie, brings it to the set, you know, it's sitting under the table right now.

• 34:01Speaker 05

  It's blue, for those who are wondering.

• 34:03Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you, right, it's blue, blue. I mean, it was blue and that's faded, but anyway. Don't you think at some point you grow out of the thing and move on to the other, the next thing?

• 34:12Speaker 05

  This is another point that you bring up. So I'm very fortunate, I've driven hundreds of really cool cars. I have a list, for those who don't know, that on my phone, of every single car I've ever driven in my entire life. The date I drove it, whose it was, what year it was, what trim it was, for even normal cars. And I've driven everything from a Chevy Malibu Max, right up to like a, to a, give, SA a pair, a Ferrari 458, a pair, SA a pair. I've driven from cool to cool, that's right. But I have seldom gotten out of any other car and thought, ah man, I was just happy to get back in the M5.

• 34:42Doug DeMuro?

  That happened over time with your M5. Don't you think it could have happened?

• 34:46Speaker 05

  That's not true. It happened, like, the second I rode in my friend Ryan's, before he could even drive. He bought, his parents bought him this car. I was in love with the car immediately.

• 34:56Doug DeMuro?

  There's some childhood stuff here.

• 34:58Speaker 06

  Don't you think that if you had a CT5V Blackwing, you would eventually develop that same feeling?

• 35:02Speaker 05

  I love that you bring up that question. So I had driven a CT5V Blackwing and immediately drove my M5 right after. Back to back comparison. There are things I really love about, the Blackwing is a badass car. It's so cool. You experience actual range and gliding in a gasoline car, which is wild. But there are things that, like, I got back in the M5, what I liked about it more is it, it's the right power figure. The, the 5V Blackwing is a ton of power.

• 35:25Speaker 06

  A CT5V, not Blackwing. I don't, there's a lot of other cars where I feel like you could develop a similar rapport with.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  But I don't have to.

• 35:31Doug DeMuro?

  But it's kind of a childhood love. It's, it's like, it's like when you, when you first played catch with your dad. You, you know what I'm talking about.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  It'll never happen in my life. Well, admittedly, like, the reason that car.

• 35:44Speaker 05

  They didn't do that in Italy.

• 35:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 06

  I'm not a common fast time.

• 35:47Speaker 05

  Throw a meatball at him and but.

• 35:51Speaker 05

  The thing, the thing with it is, it's like, and I have, although I don't like a lot of normal cars, admittedly, I specialize with the European exotic cars, what I love. I, if somebody loved their Toyota Echo as much as I love my E39M5, I absolutely respect the halide. I think that's phenomenal. But the thing with it is, is like, that's the, that's what's important about these cars. They're not rational.

• 36:12Doug DeMuro?

  So why is it that a 550 would be enough to, to send you away?

• 36:16Speaker 05

  Because that, when I drove, when I drove that car, we had that gray one in the office. I drove it a ton because I had, we had to, I had to take it up for service and brought it back and stuff. And it just like, it is, just, it is the M5, but it says Ferrari on it.

• 36:28Doug DeMuro?

  So there's a way to get you out of the M5. With a certain car and a certain thing, it's just not the 993T.

• 36:34Speaker 05

  Right. And of course, in a world where I'm being given one for free, it's, it's, you know, it's a world that doesn't exist. Unless someone out there wants to give me a 550 for free for this, for some reason.

• 36:43Doug DeMuro?

  I'm fascinated with it. So there are cars, he's got the childhood love and the passion and the love and the, the time is finite. Unless you're showing up at his door with the keys to a 550. He's like, I'm out.

• 36:53Speaker 06

  What about like a 575 StixSwat?

• 36:55Speaker 05

  So, so again, the point is like, well, don't forget, I loved Ferrari long before the M5. I've been a diehard Ferrari fan my entire life. So, or my entire conscious life. And so, again, it's, it's all hypothetical. I plan to have an M5 and a 550.

• 37:11Doug DeMuro?

  But hypothetically, what about a 575 StixSwat?

• 37:13Speaker 05

  I would, I would buy a 575 StixSwat.

• 37:16Doug DeMuro?

  Same question, but 575 StixSwat. OE stick. OE stick, yes.

• 37:21Speaker 05

  Oh, well, OE stick definitely with the handling package.

• 37:24Doug DeMuro?

  But sticks, oh, but no handling package, no bye-bye M5. You gotta have FHP.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  My uncle had.

• 37:29Doug DeMuro?

  We're getting real granular here.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  My uncle had the GTC handling package.

• 37:31Doug DeMuro?

  Are there any Akiras? Uh, okay.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  That's my, my thought process. I know it's an insane statement to say, but again, love is not rational and it's not rational for these cars. And although I'm not saying that the M5 is a better car than the 993T, although it's better at certain things than the Tauruses. The Taurus is better at a lot of things than the M5 is. For my personal preference, because you're removing cost from the whole thing here, or price is what the question removes. It's how you feel emotionally. And for me, like, I just emotionally am more attached to my M5 than I would be to a price.

• 37:59Speaker 06

  For the record, the question would have allowed you to sell that 993 Turbo S and buy five 550s.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  He only focuses on money. He only focuses on money.

• 38:07Speaker 06

  No, I take my point here as dollars.

• 38:08Doug DeMuro?

  I think so too, but I generally...

• 38:10Speaker 05

  That's not the spirit of it.

• 38:11Doug DeMuro?

  I generally agree with, I generally understand your point, although I vastly disagree with it. Uh, okay.

• 38:17Speaker 06

  I appreciate that, though.

• 38:18Speaker 05

  Well, again, I'm really sentimental and emotional about cars specifically. You're not emotionally attached to your cars like I am. I think you, the courage you had was a car you had to own and it means a lot to you of achieving. But when you told me you're buying it, you said, "This shouldn't be celebrated, it's just a rich guy buying a car."

• 38:33Doug DeMuro?

  It is a rich guy buying something. I agree with that. That's generally true.

• 38:37Speaker 05

  You accomplished a childhood dream. You should be proud of that.

• 38:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I know, but at some point it's just obnoxious. Look at my current car. Uh, okay. Which is why I haven't made a video about it since. No, I made a couple. Oh, I gotta make a recall video. We gotta talk about what happened with the recall. The car was recalled! Dang it! Okay, final talk cars thing here, Filippo.

• 38:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, we are in the middle of a fun integration with our friend at Coinbase. So we are selling a 1986 Toyota Pickup, which I'm looking at right now.

• 39:02Speaker 05

  It's so cool.

• 39:03Speaker 06

  That we sourced out in the Bay. It's a California car from New with one family from New. So, you know, we bought it. Uh, it's very, very cool. It's also really exciting because we partnered with Coinbase to sell it for USDC, which is a crypto-stable coin that's pegged 1 to 1 to the US dollar. It's also a really legitimately great way to pay for a car because it's instant. You don't have to worry about when the bank is open. You can do it really safely and seamlessly. Uh, so...

• 39:27Doug DeMuro?

  2 AM.

• 39:28Speaker 06

  2 AM, whenever you want.

• 39:29Doug DeMuro?

  Underwear.

• 39:30Speaker 06

  Sure. You certainly don't need to go to the bank, which is nice. And you can't do that in your underwear. Just like generally.

• 39:36Doug DeMuro?

  I can't go to the bank in my underwear.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  In my case, it's my pajamas with lapels on.

• 39:38Speaker 06

  In your case it is. The show pajamas? It doesn't matter.

• 39:41Speaker 05

  Yes, that's a whole thing.

• 39:42Speaker 06

  Doesn't matter. Uh, but I would encourage everybody to kind of go check out my video on the Cars and Bits channel, which comes out today. Doug's review of the Pickup or carsandbids.com/USDC to learn a little bit more because it is legitimately quite cool.

• 39:53Doug DeMuro?

  So I want to get clear on this.

• 39:54Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 39:54Doug DeMuro?

  You can buy the truck, you have to buy the truck, using...

• 40:00Doug DeMuro?

  This stablecoin. Correct.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  So this specific truck we're selling, the payment needs to be in USDC. But we're then going to open it up in the next month or so to all sellers and buyers.

• 40:10Doug DeMuro?

  So people can be selling, buying USDC vehicles on the site.

• 40:13Speaker 06

  And if you use Cars and Bids Safe Pay, which is our payment platform through our friends at KeySavvy, you can already pay in USDC.

• 40:19Doug DeMuro?

  Interesting.

• 40:20Speaker 06

  It's also legitimately, I am like the operations business nerd here at Cars and Bids.

• 40:26Doug DeMuro?

  That's your title.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  It is, yeah. And it's very exciting because it's legitimately a good option for people. And it's kind of fun to be like the forefront of this.

• 40:32Doug DeMuro?

  We're at the crypto guy.

• 40:34Speaker 06

  But it's, this is a good use case.

• 40:35Doug DeMuro?

  We're at the cutting edge.

• 40:36Speaker 06

  We're, yeah.

• 40:37Doug DeMuro?

  We're at the cutting edge.

• 40:38Speaker 06

  The bleeding edge.

• 40:39Doug DeMuro?

  And we've done it with a 40-year-old pickup truck that is carbureted.

• 40:42Speaker 06

  Take that.

• 40:42Doug DeMuro?

  It is carbureted.

• 40:43Speaker 06

  It's wonderful. You drove that truck.

• 40:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it was so wonderful. I drove it around and all I was thinking to myself the whole time was, when this truck was made 40 years ago and it doesn't have a computer in it, they weren't thinking that someday it would be bought using a stablecoin.

• 40:54Speaker 06

  Here we are.

• 40:55Doug DeMuro?

  USDC.

• 40:56Speaker 06

  It wasn't on their minds.

• 40:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's a fascinating dichotomy. It is. It's kind of a new and old situation. Okay, next up, we're going to talk about, it's time for the market report, where we talk about the car market. Now, the market report is sponsored by the Cars and Bids app.

• 41:11Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 41:12Doug DeMuro?

  You can download it somewhere and then use it somehow.

• 41:15Speaker 06

  On the Apple app, so you can use it on your iPhone.

• 41:18Doug DeMuro?

  Can you use it on iPad?

• 41:19Speaker 06

  You can. It's not optimized for iPad, but you can use it.

• 41:21Doug DeMuro?

  Could I download it on my computer and use it?

• 41:24Speaker 06

  No.

• 41:24Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, well, that's some BS.

• 41:26Speaker 06

  You can go to CarsAndBids.com. The browsers are different.

• 41:29Doug DeMuro?

  I think the Android people have more stuff than you. Yeah, why can't I use it on my Kiosera 2830J? Okay. I have no idea what any of that is.

• 41:39Speaker 06

  Kiosera is a brand that makes phones.

• 41:40Doug DeMuro?

  They make phones? I guessed, I assumed it was microwaves. How would I know about Kiosera? I have no idea how I can. You have some friend with a green bubble who shows up in your text messages.

• 41:48Speaker 06

  No, they don't have a Kiosera. You know, he was that way for a long time.

• 41:52Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway. I'm not surprised. Let's talk market report. There's a lot of market-related things to cover. And I want to start with my Rolls-Royce question.

• 41:59Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 41:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. When I was a child, a wee lad, Rolls-Royce Bentley. English car, he's learning. Rolls-Royce and Bentley were the same, okay? The cars they made were basically indistinguishable. Bentley was the driver's version and Rolls-Royce was the chauffeur version, but like, they were the same, I think. Like, there may have been some suspension differences, but that may have also just been marketing. Now they're different and and one of them is owned by Volkswagen and the other one is inexplicably owned by BMW. And Rolls Royces don't lose value and Bentleys lose value to an unbelievable level.

• 42:30Speaker 06

  Don't lose value is a very strong word.

• 42:32Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna give you, I'm gonna give you an example. I'm gonna give you an example. The Phantom.

• 42:36Speaker 06

  Sure, familiar.

• 42:37Doug DeMuro?

  A 2000 and, yeah, what's the lowest we've sold a Phantom for? What do Phantoms go for? All right, the cheapest, oldest Phantoms, right? Still selling for 65. This was a 150 car new, right? No, it was 300. It was 300. 300, okay. But it's still, it's still worth 20% of its original value. A Continental GT from the same year was a 180 car new. It is now worth $0.

• 43:00Speaker 06

  16.

• 43:02Doug DeMuro?

  Cause we sell nice ones. I want to be clear about this. I want to be really clear about this. You can go on Craigslist and find a ratty Continental GT for two.

• 43:09Speaker 06

  That's three times the price for fundamentally a competitor.

• 43:11Doug DeMuro?

  It's not just the Phantom versus Continental too. Like compare Arnage, which was the Phantom equivalent, like it was the flagship full-size and the Mulsanne. The Arnage and the Mulsanne have gone, but Phantom and Ghost, Ghost is retaining its value. I went on Autotrader yesterday, autotrader.com. I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it. And I went on Autotrader yesterday to look for Ghosts. You know what cheap used Ghosts cost? They have 90,000 miles, they're 15 years old, and they're $84,000. Why is that? Why is that?

• 43:41Speaker 06

  You know the real reason? Rolls Royces look cool.

• 43:46Speaker 05

  I know there's something to it.

• 43:47Doug DeMuro?

  You get my point. It's weird.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  I think it's because when Rolls Royce owned Bentley, they specifically went out of their way to make sure Bentleys were less good. And Rolls Royce had a better car. And that brand prestige has carried them forever.

• 44:01Doug DeMuro?

  Now they don't own Bentley, but Bentleys are still less good. Not by trying or anything. It's just the way it works.

• 44:07Speaker 06

  That W12 was one of the finest models.

• 44:08Doug DeMuro?

  It is. And so what is the deal with that? You could drive around in a Phantom or you could drive around in a W12, the greatest powertrain of all time. And you can purchase it for the cost of a used road sign on eBay.

• 44:22Speaker 06

  What road sign goes for that?

• 44:24Doug DeMuro?

  You would know. Any dude. Railroad crossing or 05 Continental GT.

• 44:29Speaker 06

  I do think there's something to the styling of them. Rolls Royce went for such like an in-your-face styling, like look at the front of the Phantom.

• 44:38Doug DeMuro?

  You think it's the way it looks?

• 44:39Speaker 06

  I think that the presence that it has does impact the current value.

• 44:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, let me ask you this then, and I'm not trying to... Stir any pots.

• 44:46Speaker 06

  It's also true of the Cullinan Bentayga.

• 44:47Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not trying to stir any pots, but let me ask you this. If it's about styling and presence, why has the Nissan Murano Cross Cabriolet depreciated? That car has excessive presence and styling.

• 44:58Speaker 06

  Are you familiar with Murano Cross Cabriolet pricing? Compared to a regular Murano, it's four times the price.

• 45:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's four times the price, it's still nine grand. I am familiar with the pricing. I'm also familiar with the fact that the pricing determines greatly on whether the top is working, and it isn't.

• 45:10Speaker 05

  I also want to make it plain, if you search God's Chariot on Carson, but it's not an E395 that comes up, it is the Cross Cabriolet, which is very fair.

• 45:17Speaker 06

  One other note on Bentley, Rolls Royce.

• 45:19Doug DeMuro?

  This is weird.

• 45:20Speaker 06

  What's the new Bentayga?

• 45:21Doug DeMuro?

  The weirdest part about it is Ghost. Because Ghost and Continental GT are roughly equivalent, and Ghost, I'm telling you, a 10 Ghost is an 85 car at the cheapest. And a 10 Continental GT, Continental Flying Spur is like a 40 car.

• 45:33Speaker 06

  Yeah. What, uh... It's also like, in more recent years, I feel like Rolls Royce has stayed further off market than Bentley has. Bentley's kind of come down a little bit.

• 45:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there's more of them. That could be the answer right there.

• 45:45Speaker 06

  What's the new Cullinan? How much is the new Cullinan?

• 45:47Doug DeMuro?

  400.

• 45:48Speaker 06

  What's the new Bentayga?

• 45:49Doug DeMuro?

  3?

• 45:49Speaker 06

  285. Right. So now, going forward, I think that that kind of brings the overall price down.

• 45:54Doug DeMuro?

  But Cullinan's are holding their value like cray.

• 45:55Speaker 06

  Right.

• 45:55Doug DeMuro?

  And Bentaygas are not. Not, they're not as bad as other Bentley.

• 45:59Speaker 06

  They're in a different league now, that's a 50% price difference.

• 46:01Speaker 05

  I think the status of, yeah, I think...

• 46:02Doug DeMuro?

  There's, the part of it is the original price tag. But Ghosts have held their value better even despite of that.

• 46:07Speaker 06

  I agree with that.

• 46:07Doug DeMuro?

  Like, if you look, Ghosts are still 30% of their original MSRP, the cheapest ones.

• 46:11Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 46:11Doug DeMuro?

  Whereas Bentleys are struggling to get to 1520.

• 46:16Speaker 06

  Yeah. I agree.

• 46:18Doug DeMuro?

  I think, I was hoping I could get a cheap Ghost by now.

• 46:21Speaker 06

  I deserve a Ghost. Why do you not want a cheap Flying Spur?

• 46:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, interesting.

• 46:26Speaker 05

  Oh, interesting, yeah.

• 46:28Doug DeMuro?

  You're right, I prefer a Ghost.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  Nice shot, Floyd.

• 46:30Doug DeMuro?

  The market would prefer a Ghost.

• 46:32Speaker 05

  Is it?

• 46:33Speaker 06

  Doug is the market and the market is Doug.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  Do I really factor into it a little bit? I mean, Bentleys aren't the most reliable cars, but Rolls Royce are...

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, I mean, I presume that the, that the fears about Bentley reliability are, have the same, are, are people in the used market have the same fears about reliability. I will say this, as, as just, as just a, a single data point. One time I rented a used Continental GT in Atlanta. I primarily rent two cars, Cayenne base models and Continental GTs when I'm on Turo, okay? I rented a used Continental GT in Atlanta because I love the Continental GT, drive it every time I can. And um, and I got in and the fellow said to me, he said, listen, he said, there's some warning lights and I said, okay. And so I drove the car and 10 minutes into the drive, a warning light comes on and it says, warning, uh, you have no tire pressure in any tire, but it doesn't just say that it goes beep for like a minute. And that happened every 30 minutes.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 47:24Doug DeMuro?

  And so, you know, maybe there's some issues.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  Disturbed the serenity of your Bentley issue. You know, the other thing I think is that, coming back to looks, Rolls Royces, like they don't, like this, this is a Phantom Series, uh, seven, right? It looks this, pretty much the same as the eight, like it's hard, they were such tiny incremental changes from oh four to the present day. Counterpoint, the Continental GT. Well, yes, but this is more of a statement.

• 47:52Doug DeMuro?

  Or the Q5, new Q5 looks like the oh nine Q5, but oh nine Q5's cost.

• 47:56Speaker 05

  But there's an entire generation of people, well, maybe it does apply to Bentley, but there's a entire generation of people, they think Rolls Royce, that's the, that's what they picture in their mind, that's, that's it. And it ends up in more, it just has a more of a pop culture reference point, I think.

• 48:07Doug DeMuro?

  I think that's true. I think there is, there, I think it's three things now that we've discussed it. Desirability of styling and like the appearance of the car, the name brand, you said, why don't you like it? Why don't you want a Bentley? And probably production numbers plays a role too. The cars are simply less common and a lot of these swam, let's be honest.

• 48:23Speaker 05

  They, they do swim.

• 48:24Doug DeMuro?

  They swim.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  But yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 05

  They get exported to other countries.

• 48:28Doug DeMuro?

  They get exported to other countries where, where a, a bad Carfax, maybe, you know, it's a good Carfax all of a sudden, you know?

• 48:36Speaker 05

  It goes to countries.

• 48:38Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, you ever try to use Carfax in Europe, they don't let you.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 48:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's the real key. You export these things to Hungary and it's like, oh, uh, let me check the Carfax. Oh, I can't.

• 48:46Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 48:46Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna use a VPN to find out how many times it's been rolled over.

• 48:49Speaker 05

  I just, you've driven, how many Phantoms you've driven?

• 48:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 48:52Speaker 05

  Lots, right?

• 48:52Doug DeMuro?

  A few.

• 48:53Speaker 05

  I, I drove this one, uh, this series eight and I've driven the other ones in. What a car. God damn, it's so good.

• 49:00Doug DeMuro?

  No, Phantom's not.

• 49:01Speaker 05

  No, no, Phantom's not the seventh.

• 49:02Doug DeMuro?

  Ghost is a long ways too.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  It just like. There's nothing like it, like the serenity you experience in a car that large. And I have to say,

• 49:09Doug DeMuro?

  Spectre too.

• 49:09Speaker 05

  I was sitting there, it's like back to the pop culture thing, someone walked across the street like and got out their camera phone, I was like taking pictures of the car. They were that like,

• 49:15Doug DeMuro?

  I guess they're

• 49:15Speaker 06

  Wraith.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  They're that excited about like,

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know what, I just, Rolls is cool.

• 49:19Speaker 05

  Rolls is cool. And they're like a nice pair of shoes. Like, people don't understand why they're so expensive when you travel on it, it's like, oh.

• 49:25Doug DeMuro?

  I, I do agree with that. I've always, people are like, is it really worth three times what an S-Class is worth? And I want to be like, the guy who owns this car has had five S-classes and that, those little differences are worth a lot to the person like that.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  It, I totally agree with that.

• 49:39Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, let's talk V12 Ferrari. Ken, pull it up. Pull it up. Pull it up.

• 49:44Speaker 05

  Which, which one was it?

• 49:45Speaker 06

  The, the

• 49:46Doug DeMuro?

  How many V12 Ferraris we got? Just type in Ferrari, the one that's live.

• 49:51Doug DeMuro?

  Look at that.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  Super America. So the, yes, we currently have on the site, I can't believe we have one, but we have a Grecia Silverstone 575 Super America. Now you and I agree, this is one of the most underrated special Ferraris that exist. The 550 Barqueta sells for a ton of money. There are a lot of cars that sell for a lot of money. These aren't as beloved and I don't really get one.

• 50:12Doug DeMuro?

  They're barges, they're total barges.

• 50:13Speaker 05

  Most of them were F1s, although the car was offered with a 6B main from the factory. Nicolas Cage had one. Oh.

• 50:18Doug DeMuro?

  There's only like 10.

• 50:19Speaker 05

  But I, yeah, I think they're, I think it's 17, but yeah, they're, they're crazy rare, but these cars.

• 50:23Doug DeMuro?

  This one is nice, man. The interior looks, how many miles are on this?

• 50:26Speaker 05

  5,300.

• 50:27Doug DeMuro?

  Looks like zero. Go to the seats. My god.

• 50:30Speaker 06

  Incredible.

• 50:31Speaker 05

  Look at that.

• 50:31Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo would never be able to keep a car like this. You gave Filippo a car in an afternoon, it would look worse than this, even if he didn't drive it.

• 50:37Speaker 05

  That's so true.

• 50:39Doug DeMuro?

  Just by being his.

• 50:43Speaker 06

  Blanky gets things serious.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  But these cars are so cool. For those of you who are unfamiliar, it replaced the 550 Barqueta, but unlike the 550 Barqueta, it kind of sort of had a roof. And the roof would, had these electric motors that would roll it forward. It lays on the trunk lid and you roll it forward and then it covers the car. And then, it was tintable. It had an electromagnetic control, I think, in it. You would, you'd turn the switch and it would adjust how dark or light it was to keep the sun off of you.

• 51:09Doug DeMuro?

  In 2005.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it was big deal in 05, it's pre-Venza, because Venza's got it now. Um, but, uh, but here's how the roof would work. I'm going to demonstrate for you.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Even if you're just listening to audio, that, that's it. You get what he's talking about.

• 51:28Doug DeMuro?

  Cool as hell, this car is, in my opinion, super undervalued and, and deserves more love in the Ferrari community. I love these cars.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  Look at that V.

• 51:35Doug DeMuro?

  When I see a 575, I'm like, holy crap. When I see one of these, I call Kenan. I'm like, Kenan, get up here. Yeah, there was a guy who drove around one in Newport like regularly and we would see it fairly commonly. One time I was shooting at the Aston dealer and he pulled up the Javier's right next to the Aston dealer and the whole Aston dealer, every salesperson and staff member walked outside to check out the Super America. It's cool as hell.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  It's so cool. I haven't seen one in ages. Last one I saw was like in Napa, just driving around, which was so cool.

• 51:58Doug DeMuro?

  That's where you, that's, that's the place. It's like a connoisseur's car. They made 559 of them, right?

• 52:02Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 52:02Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and Filippo will never encounter one.

• 52:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 52:06Doug DeMuro?

  You know how many Barquettes they made?

• 52:07Speaker 05

  No.

• 52:08Doug DeMuro?

  448 and they're all ruthless.

• 52:10Speaker 05

  Big hoops.

• 52:11Doug DeMuro?

  Big hoops. We agree though, that 448 was, that's the last car that the production number was correct. And so this car, we don't know how many they made.

• 52:17Speaker 05

  No, I think this one was correct too, because that was the only number they could sell.

• 52:19Doug DeMuro?

  But they didn't individually number these.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  No, they didn't.

• 52:22Doug DeMuro?

  The Barquette was the last individually numbered Ferrari.

• 52:24Speaker 05

  And the SA, the 599 SA Aperit, which replaced this car, they built 75 of allegedly.

• 52:30Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next up, it is time for questions, questions, questions. Remember, you too can ask us questions. Not you two, although if Bono had a question for us, I'd answer it. You could 100% ask a question. Yeah, he had a 445, like Nick. Wow.

• 52:43Speaker 05

  Or Smash Mouth, thank you. Anybody.

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  Smash Mouth had one of those?

• 52:46Speaker 05

  No. They like, they like, they're fans, they're fans of you and they can ask a question.

• 52:49Doug DeMuro?

  Oh yeah, that's true, that's true. Okay. Uh, anyway, you can ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on community at the top and then this thing comes up and you ask your question and we'll answer it. We speak to you. We speak to the hue, to the you.

• 53:01Speaker 05

  We see you.

• 53:01Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, okay, go to the questions and the first question, pop back to the slide really quick. The first question is, which country has the best president, this is from Montana Plated Range Rover, which country has the best presidential limo and in general, which dictator's presidents had the best taste in cars? Kenan, I thought of you when I got this question. I'm in Malta, 2015, 10 years ago.

• 53:18Speaker 05

  Wow, look, it looks like a press, weird.

• 53:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, every car in Malta is a trashy little hatchback, except... The president, you can't see it on this image, but if you look there, you could see the presidential seal of the Maltese president.

• 53:29Speaker 06

  No plate.

• 53:30Doug DeMuro?

  We're walking through, we took a tour of the Maltese presidential palace. And we're walking through and parked there in like the main, you know, employee forecourt is the presidential car. An E38. Did they get the V12? No. They got the 735i on base wheels. And that's the car that brings the Maltese president around, or at least it was 10 years ago.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  I guess they wouldn't need it, but I'm surprised it's not a protection.

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's in, it's Malta. The whole country goes to bed at 7:30.

• 53:57Speaker 05

  Right, yeah.

• 53:57Speaker 06

  Could you name any of these cars and I'll give you extra credit if you can name the red one on the far right?

• 54:03Speaker 05

  That?

• 54:03Speaker 06

  You know what it is.

• 54:04Doug DeMuro?

  I think I do.

• 54:05Speaker 06

  I think I do too.

• 54:06Speaker 05

  Oh no, fully for this.

• 54:08Doug DeMuro?

  Well, we know what this is. Can you name this?

• 54:10Speaker 06

  Oh, Canon.

• 54:12Speaker 05

  It's a Golf?

• 54:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's a Golf 4.

• 54:14Speaker 06

  Golf 5, yeah.

• 54:15Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and I can do a couple of these. The thing about Malta that's important to remember, and you're wondering why there are so many Japanese cars in Europe? Because Malta's right-hand drive.

• 54:24Speaker 06

  So many, there's a Yaris.

• 54:25Doug DeMuro?

  No, there's, there's two Yaris's. These are Yaris's. That's a Toyota-based product.

• 54:31Speaker 06

  That is.

• 54:31Doug DeMuro?

  Citroen C3?

• 54:32Speaker 06

  That's a, that's a hot seal.

• 54:35Doug DeMuro?

  No part of what you've said is correct. These are Mazdas. That's a Mazda. Malta's right-hand drive, and one of the most interesting things about Malta when I was there, every car was deregistered in Japan. It's one of those, it's like New Zealand. It's one of those where they fail the shake-in and they have to leave Japan. And so they go to New Zealand, apparently go to Malta. Every car in Malta had Japanese like writing on the, you know, and had been kicked out of Japan. And in Malta, they're like, bring it. Our prime minister is driving around in a 10-year-old base minus 7 series. We can, we don't, we don't care if you're bringing an old 323.

• 55:03Speaker 06

  I will give you credit, that's a 106, which was shared with the Toyota Igo.

• 55:06Doug DeMuro?

  The Igo. That is an Igo. And that's a Mazda 323.

• 55:09Speaker 06

  It's almost certainly a Hyundai.

• 55:10Doug DeMuro?

  Tiburon, I think so too. I think so too. These are all Japanese cars. Everyone except the Peugeot.

• 55:15Speaker 06

  I thought, well, it's a Citroen. Oh, the, the two Peugeots.

• 55:17Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's an Igo.

• 55:18Speaker 06

  And the Citroen, the blue one, the Citroen, uh, what did they call it?

• 55:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, that is a 121.

• 55:23Speaker 05

  Was a Citroen, so no, the answer to your question is no.

• 55:25Speaker 06

  306.

• 55:27Speaker 05

  206, this might be a 206.

• 55:29Doug DeMuro?

  Fine, I'll forgive you.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  Okay, uh, that's my answer, except the real answer, of course, is Brunei.

• 56:06Speaker 03

  Para los grandes, para los chicos, para los bajos y los altos, los pacifistas, los valientes. Para los optimistas y los pesimistas, los que valoran lo de adentro. Para los que están lejos, los que no vende lejos, y los que no vende cerca. Para los introvertidos y los extrovertidos. Para los que piensan y los que hacen. Para los que nos mostraron el camino. Coca-Cola, para todos. Compra una Coca-Cola en una tienda cerca de usted.

• 56:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's always Brunei. Answer any question.

• 56:40Doug DeMuro?

  There have been some dictators that have had some legit cars.

• 56:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, well, the Mercedes, like the 600, the Pullman. I mean, every bad dictator had one of those. And I think probably of any dictatorship, you can almost guarantee you've seen one of those in the parking lot. So it's kind of a professional BMW, I guess.

• 56:57Doug DeMuro?

  Right, an I C 38.

• 56:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I like an I C 38.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, you got any presidential?

• 57:01Speaker 06

  Um, this is not presidential, but the Pope had a Mercedes M L.

• 57:07Doug DeMuro?

  That's right, he had an M L on MyBok wheels, remember that?

• 57:09Speaker 06

  I do. That's something to consider.

• 57:11Doug DeMuro?

  What, throw on MyBok on an M L?

• 57:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, dude, I'm there. Just having an M L or a MyBok.

• 57:16Doug DeMuro?

  Presidential M L. Okay, next question, and this is a great question. This is a question from me and Filippo from T Barrett. If you were given 18 months of Kennon's M5 maintenance cost to buy a car, what fun weekend car would you buy? What is 18 months? It's like 20 grand, right?

• 57:28Speaker 05

  Uh, it was 15 last year.

• 57:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, last year, but add another 6 months. So, yeah, 22, 22, right?

• 57:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, 20.

• 57:36Doug DeMuro?

  What fun we pull up the site, what fun weekend car did we buy?

• 57:39Speaker 06

  We already chose.

• 57:41Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, you've already got an answer?

• 57:42Speaker 06

  Well, no, but previously in life, we bought a C6 for a challenge where we were buying $20,000 cool cars.

• 57:48Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, but I bought a Kian, it's not a weekend car. Alright, what do we got?

• 57:52Speaker 06

  I have a real answer.

• 57:53Doug DeMuro?

  Could I buy a, could I buy a Cobra?

• 57:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 57:55Doug DeMuro?

  Keep going. This only sold for 16.5, that. Oh my God, that's 22 and it's a convertible?

• 58:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God.

• 58:01Speaker 06

  I think my answer goes to an ND2 Miata.

• 58:05Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't get an ND, it's just not enough power for 22. I can buy a V8 M3.

• 58:09Speaker 06

  Oh, for 22, you can, you can get a decent 996, 911.

• 58:12Doug DeMuro?

  You know what you can't get? RCF Track Edition. Did you see that sold for 83?

• 58:16Speaker 06

  Wow, really?

• 58:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, that's what they go for. It's insane money.

• 58:19Speaker 06

  When do those come down?

• 58:20Doug DeMuro?

  They don't, they never will.

• 58:21Speaker 06

  I guess they don't.

• 58:22Doug DeMuro?

  ISF's never really came out either for the record. Oh, S2000, you can probably get a ratty S2000.

• 58:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, you get a, no, you can get a decent S2000.

• 58:28Doug DeMuro?

  Get a decent S2000?

• 58:28Speaker 06

  If you say you want the power.

• 58:29Doug DeMuro?

  Done. Yeah, but S2000 got enough power for me.

• 58:31Speaker 06

  I'll go WRX SDI hatch.

• 58:33Doug DeMuro?

  Ooh. No, but like, there's a lot of good stuff for 22. That is also appealing, to be honest, an S52 shoe coupe.

• 58:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:39Doug DeMuro?

  SDI hatch is cool. That's a cool car.

• 58:42Speaker 06

  If it's just for weekend driving?

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:44Speaker 06

  Well, it's a fun car, so yes.

• 58:47Doug DeMuro?

  There's a lot of good stuff. Boxsters, Boxsters, I'm a Porsche guy, so.

• 58:50Speaker 06

  But Fleet would buy, who would buy this?

• 58:52Doug DeMuro?

  I said ND, not NB.

• 58:54Speaker 06

  You, no, but you'd get an NB and you'd pocket the rest of the money, that's what you'd do.

• 58:57Doug DeMuro?

  If that's an option.

• 58:58Speaker 06

  There's a lot of good stuff.

• 58:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's changed massively. There's a lot of good stuff here. Can I get a 996?

• 59:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:03Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I would, I would think about a first gen S8.

• 59:05Speaker 06

  You can buy four of them. You can get, you can get a 996.

• 59:07Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't buy four of them, I'd buy, I'd buy three of them and an S5. That's an S5, is that a stick? That's a stick S5 for eight grand. Everything, the answer is everything.

• 59:16Speaker 06

  Wow, really?

• 59:17Doug DeMuro?

  You know what you could buy? Another E39 M5.

• 59:19Speaker 06

  Yep, easily.

• 59:20Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you know what, maybe that should be Kevin's strat. Instead of putting 18 grand on his car every two years, just buy new ones all the time.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  It doesn't need it, there are years that I've like spent legitimately $500 on maintenance. That has happened many times.

• 59:33Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that also, I was looking at my Carrera GT service records and that also happened in my Carrera GT previous owner, but then one year, it was $140,000. So like... It didn't really even out.

• 59:42Speaker 05

  I mean, different scales, but yeah, yeah, it still doesn't. I'm not saying it evens out, but I am saying not every year it costs me arm, a leg, you know, the other foot.

• 59:50Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Okay, next question from jrad1600. Question for the group. Have you guys ever worked on your own cars? If so, what is the biggest job you've ever done? Ken and I have done some motor swaps and we also did a, we put a Tesla drivetrain into a Honda Passport. Rich rebuilds, but cooler. Cause it's Honda Passport. Right, first gen, I want to be clear. The second gen, it was a 98.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, I've done, I did a huge suspension refresh on my M5 myself, replaced the struts and shocks and ball joints, which anybody who's done that on an M5 knows. With the, if you have the correct tool, it makes it a lot easier. I've done camshaft position sensors. No, and it sucked. It was a really difficult job, but I made it work. Camshaft position sensors on that car, for those of you, I have to take the plenum, I have to take the entire intake manifold off. And then they're on the back of the engine and it's, you have to take the valve covers off and it's a whole thing. I've done a lot of work on the M5. A lot of bruised knuckles, a lot of cold ones, a lot of swearing, so, but you know.

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  Then you know it's done right. Flippo and I have also, we replaced the turbo in his 500 at Bar. That was a long weekend. That car is, don't mean that thing.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  Doug, Doug does not work on his cars.

• 1:00:56Doug DeMuro?

  I put a taillight on a Range Rover once.

• 1:00:58Speaker 05

  I once had to help him take off a license plate and he did not know that righty tighty, lefty loosey was the thing. He turned it the wrong.

• 1:01:03Doug DeMuro?

  That's not what happened. It was severely rusted and I felt that a better way to do it would just be to sell the car. Which I did.

• 1:01:11Speaker 05

  It was really hard. It was a great picture of me laying on the ground.

• 1:01:14Doug DeMuro?

  The fellow who bought the car, I hope he got the license plate off. I have never worked on my cars and it makes me really sad, actually. For a long time, listen, a lot of people who work on their cars don't understand just how important it would be, what it was for them to have grown up in a house where people did this. In my house, there was none of this and there was no car interest at all. None, zero. There was no working on stuff, there was none of that. And I never really got the ability to like, nobody ever showed me how to work on a car. There was never any of that. And over the years, what has evolved is that I have gotten incredibly busy and now even if I could work on my own cars, I just wouldn't. And that's, that's happened to a lot of my friends too. However, it's one of the things that I think I would like to do in a future scenario is start learning how to work on the cars and start doing it.

• 1:01:56Speaker 05

  I, I mean, to be clear, my dad is a brilliant woodworker, but he wasn't into cars, so I didn't have that either. But I started with an oil change and Ryan and I learned together, that's actually why we started like the YouTube channel, 39 Source was. Didn't know how to do this stuff, but we read, there are great written articles with no videos. We would learn that and then we'd make the video and put it on there. Ryan's gone that into a real business. And so, yeah, you start with small little things.

• 1:02:17Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. And by the time it hit me that I should do that, I truly couldn't now. Like, I don't even have time to talk to Filippo.

• 1:02:23Speaker 06

  Thank God.

• 1:02:24Doug DeMuro?

  Thank God.

• 1:02:25Speaker 05

  But imagine one day Doug works his way up and he's in there listening to the radio with a couple of cold bottles of water rebuilding an engine.

• 1:02:33Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:02:33Speaker 06

  Doing a motor swap. Say, don't forget one time we fixed a throttle cable on the side of the road on your Defender.

• 1:02:39Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, I will say, I am not above, I have done some shade tree like BS stuff. I am not above, and I have a pretty good working knowledge of how these things operate. You can generally diagnose stuff, okay. I just have no interest or understanding of how, but yeah, a throttle cable came off of my Defender. And we put it on with a keyring.

• 1:02:57Speaker 06

  And it worked great.

• 1:02:58Doug DeMuro?

  And then, and this was the greatest experience of our lives. Do you remember what happened next? I, we then went to check the keyring to make sure it was still holding and I pulled the engine cable, the engine release, the hood release. And it snapped.

• 1:03:09Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:03:10Doug DeMuro?

  And then I sold my Defender.

• 1:03:11Speaker 05

  Maybe more Defender experience than that.

• 1:03:14Doug DeMuro?

  So we drove around all week with no idea about like whether our It was! Keyring was working and you know what? It was working better than OE.

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  I will say to answer the question, in the, there was a time when we lived in North Carolina and I knew that I would have time, which was rare. I bought an E53X5 purposely to like be able to work on it. Cause it's a great engine bay, the engine's very well documented.

• 1:03:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:03:35Speaker 06

  And it was easy to do some support.

• 1:03:37Speaker 05

  I sent you many things.

• 1:03:38Speaker 06

  You were very helpful.

• 1:03:39Speaker 05

  I loved helping out.

• 1:03:40Speaker 06

  But I did a bunch of like maintenance related things that are easy to do in that car.

• 1:03:43Speaker 05

  I will, yes, totally. I will say it's easier to learn when you're younger and admittedly if you want to learn how to do this, buy, buy a car that has a great amount of support. And like just start with small things and learn your way through it.

• 1:03:54Speaker 06

  And a Miata.

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, and a Miata is a good one. And you know, that you'll learn, you'll learn a lot along the way. I mean, and you'll have to, it's great when you're young, cause I remember I changed a drive shaft once on jack stands. That's a Not a good, taking off an exhaust and trying to do that in a confined space is awful. But when you're young, you put up with that.

• 1:04:11Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:04:11Speaker 05

  But I, I think it's a great exercise and people should do even small things on your cars.

• 1:04:16Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question, I'm gonna cherry pick a couple of, because we got a couple of really good ones, but they're a little lower. I'm gonna cherry pick them this week.

• 1:04:20Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:04:21Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Wolfman6276. Are we gonna get an update on the car driving simulator you got from Linus Tech Tips? Linus stole this from us. He's Canadian and he thought we wouldn't come after him and he's right.

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  You know what he's gonna say?

• 1:04:34Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not going to Vancouver. You know that's literally on its way here. Yeah, it's coming. It's in the, it's in the mail. Okay, next question. Oops, sorry Doug, I'll get you a truck. Next que, right. Next question from MM Nilo. Doug, when you talk about your previous cars, you never mentioned your Kia Stinger. Why was it that bad? On the contrary! Fleetwood Kennedy know about this. It's hard for me to explain how much I liked my Kia Stinger. I sold it to a doctor in Wisconsin. I hope he has done a lot of surgeries. With it. I hope it's taken him to the hospital and, because I want it back! I loved that car. No part of that sentence. I hope that it like served the community. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it's basically an ambulance, as far as I'm concerned. Red.

• 1:05:14Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 1:05:14Doug DeMuro?

  And you could fold down those seats and put like people in back, dead or alive.

• 1:05:17Speaker 05

  You once put a lot of plants in there, remember that?

• 1:05:20Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I love that car. I love that car so much. One of the great powertrains of all time. I'm, I'm only slightly exaggerating. That twin turbo V6, I'm telling you, it was so good. I love the steering, I love the handling. I genuinely like the looks. I think it has to be red.

• 1:05:33Speaker 05

  I agree. For the taillight thing.

• 1:05:35Doug DeMuro?

  For the taillight thing.

• 1:05:37Doug DeMuro?

  I loved that car and I sold it to get a new Defender, which I never really fell in love with. Uh, and I still think about how I wish I had that Kia Stinger back.

• 1:05:46Speaker 05

  I really liked that car. That was a good car.

• 1:05:47Doug DeMuro?

  And it was faster than Ken's M5.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  He says that identical zero to 60 time. Identical.

• 1:05:52Doug DeMuro?

  Not when I'm driving, no, and you're driving yours.

• 1:05:54Speaker 05

  I drive M5 pretty hard. I'd, I'd still do that.

• 1:05:56Doug DeMuro?

  I love, it's, I'm serious. I loved that car. I loved my Stinger. I had a GT2.

• 1:06:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's what they call it, I'm serious. And I loved it, it was so good to drive.

• 1:06:11Speaker 05

  I have a brochure that breaks down exactly what's in each.

• 1:06:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, you didn't want the GT1.

• 1:06:16Speaker 05

  GT1, GT2.

• 1:06:16Doug DeMuro?

  In Porsche world, you really want the GT1, not Kia world. I really loved that car. I thought it was just a great handling, great steering, attractive. I also just loved the fact that like, I could be so holier than that. Because I had a Kia. People be, you know, Ken's out here with BMW, Felipe's out here with Mercedes. I'd be like, I got a Kia. I don't need your luxury items.

• 1:06:35Speaker 05

  Right, and then he got in his Lamborghini Countach and drove away.

• 1:06:38Doug DeMuro?

  I got, yeah, I got a couple of old cars, I don't know, I got a Kia. Okay, next question. From RallyArtWagon, which was a great car.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  Excellent car.

• 1:06:48Doug DeMuro?

  For Kenan, you are shopping for a Cayenne, and you have said you prefer cars over SUVs in general. Why aren't you not considering a Panamera?

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  So, a great question. So, I really, what I realized driving the Cayenne Turbo around was that I like having the SUV practicality, being able to just drive through dips and not care. San Diego, despite being in a nice place, has awful roads. And a lot of them have dips that are, that allow rain to run through these channels in the streets, because they, for a variety of reasons, but...

• 1:07:16Doug DeMuro?

  Rain, mostly.

• 1:07:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, the few, the six days a year it rains here, but like, driving through, Felipe says good shit, look at that. The point, having the, having, yeah, having the ground clearance, just being able to drive through and not care was so liberating to me as someone who's only owned sedans and sports cars my whole life, so like...

• 1:07:33Doug DeMuro?

  May I make a counterpoint?

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  I like this.

• 1:07:35Doug DeMuro?

  May I make a counterpoint?

• 1:07:36Speaker 05

  Not scrape.

• 1:07:37Doug DeMuro?

  Going along with what RallyArtWagon said, you don't want to scrape. What if you bought a Panamera that was so cheap that you scraped it and didn't care? Huh?

• 1:07:45Speaker 05

  I think we can just get a Cayenne Turbo ski.

• 1:07:47Doug DeMuro?

  What's the latest? Are we gonna talk about this? Why doesn't a Panamera All-Terran exist? There should be a Panamera All-Terran. Oh wait, there was, it's called the Taycan Sport Turismo, what's it called? Cross Turismo.

• 1:07:59Speaker 05

  Proof that he's not a Porsche person, right there, he would've known that cold.

• 1:08:01Doug DeMuro?

  No, not only would I know it cold, they'd be like, it's the 947 Taycan, actually!

• 1:08:06Speaker 05

  I mean...

• 1:08:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's finished in rebel silver!

• 1:08:08Speaker 05

  Peace! He says that, but I said 958 when he went, "It's 92A."

• 1:08:13Doug DeMuro?

  92A.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  See?

• 1:08:14Doug DeMuro?

  92A.

• 1:08:15Speaker 06

  Well, what is the latest in the 92A?

• 1:08:17Speaker 05

  Um, the hunt continues. I've made offers on a couple of them. I decided to expand it to GTSs and turbos, like I talked about. Um, but yeah, I think I'm close. I think there's a turbo that we've discussed.

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, to the person on autotrader.com who has listed a V6 Cayenne automatic as a manual, I'mma come for you. I'mma get you.

• 1:08:36Speaker 05

  I hate that dealers make that.

• 1:08:38Doug DeMuro?

  You're bad. You should feel bad.

• 1:08:43Speaker 05

  Every dealer that does that should feel bad.

• 1:08:44Doug DeMuro?

  But especially in this case, because I got my hopes up and I sent it to Kenan. I sent it to Kenan because I trusted you. You have to love. I trusted them. There were three, and I was like, "Well, if there's only three, they're all manuals, because there's only three," and there were zero, actually. But I'm really especially pissed. Two of them, one of them didn't have any pictures. So maybe it is. One of them was black, so I didn't like it anyway. The other one was the perfect spec, low-option car. That's what you want, is the manual spec. Nicki Minaj, Super Bass. I sent it to Kenan.

• 1:09:13Speaker 05

  Need to know where you're going.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 1:09:15Speaker 05

  All right.

• 1:09:16Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that's the end of our questions. It's the end of our podcast, I think. Um, and, uh, Filippo, you got any parting thoughts? Yeah, this is the most off-the-rails podcast yet. This is the best podcast we've ever done. Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:09:30Speaker 05

  Goodbye.