131. Russell Brand: EXPOSING the Profit System & Why We're All Getting Sicker

Most chase endless comfort and profit maximization, but the real path to impact is reconnecting with traditional wisdom while staying aware of modern challenges. In this paradigm-shifting conversation, Russell Brand shares how modern comforts led him from Hollywood chaos and addiction to profound spirituality and clarity. Russell and Gary also break down how major institutions like, Big Pharma and Big Food, have created systems that prioritize profit over human wellbeing. What comfort could you give up today to grow stronger tomorrow? Share your thoughts in the comments down below! Listen to "Stay Free with Russell Brand" on all your favorite platforms! YouTube: https://bit.ly/4gEhrRF Spotify: https://spoti.fi/4f2rizq Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/4giJiGG Connect with Russell Brand: Website: https://bit.ly/3B4r5Ol Instagram: https://bit.ly/3OI5oqo Facebook: https://bit.ly/3Zf4uqc TikTok: https://bit.ly/3ZElFCT X.com:https://bit.ly/3OHdWh6 00:00 ​​Intro of Show 01:24 ​Russell Brand’s Journey from Addiction to Success 07:43 ​Giant Companies’ Corruption and Maximization of Profit 10:23 ​Russell’s Message to the Masses 14:27 ​Gary’s Perspective on Religion 18:40 ​Who Do We Worship? 22:09 ​How Do We Fundamentally Make a Change? 25:34 ​Military Industrial Complex Companies 28:19 ​Advocates Helping to Make a Change 31:34 ​Globalism vs. Nationalism 32:45 ​Getting Back to the Basics 36:42 ​Ecosystem from Soil to Humans 42:18 ​Russell’s Daily Routine and Mindfulness Practices 44:48 ​​Final Question: What does it mean to you to be an “Ultimate Human?” BODY HEALTH - USE CODE “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF YOUR ORDER: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD - 91 ESSENTIAL MINERALS PER PINCH! 10% OFF USE CODE "ULTIMATE10": https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa EIGHT SLEEP - SAVE $350 ON THE POD 4 ULTRA WITH CODE “GARY”: https://bit.ly/3WkLd6E ELEVATE YOUR WORKOUTS WITH THE ULTIMATE HUMAN STRENGTH TRAINING EQUIPMENT: https://bit.ly/3zYwtSl COLD LIFE - BOOST RECOVERY & WELL-BEING WITH THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP - GET 1 FREE MONTH WHEN YOU JOIN!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW MASA CHIPS - GET 20% OFF YOUR FIRST $50+ ORDER: https://bit.ly/40LVY4y PARKER PASTURES - GET PREMIUM GRASS-FED MEATS TODAY: https://bit.ly/4hHcbhc AION - ACHIEVE 25% MORE OUTPUT!: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD HAPBEE - FEEL BETTER & PERFORM AT YOUR BEST: https://bit.ly/4a6glfo GET GARY’S WEEKLY TIPS ON HEALTH AND LIFESTYLE OPTIMIZATION: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU SHOP GARY’S TOP-RATED PRODUCTS & EXCLUSIVE DEALS: https://theultimatehuman.com/amazon-recs Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST on YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Connect with Gary Brecka: Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X.com: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 SUBSCRIBE TO: https://www.youtube.com/@ultimatehumanpodcast https://www.youtube.com/@garybrecka Download “The Ultimate Human with Gary Brecka” podcast on all your favorite platforms: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Most of us, by default, become members of the biggest cult there is. The cult of commodity and consumerism, the cult of bad food and Big Pharma. You're not offered the opportunity unless you're born into a family of people who know what a score is. Unless you're lucky enough to be born in that, the system will turn you into a little commodity.

• 0:16Gary Brecka?

  The most powerful and most influential institutions now control that segment of the population. We're a lot more sick and diseased and pathological than we really deserve to be.

• 0:27Speaker 00

  If something is geared towards the continual maximization of profit, it will always be corrupting.

• 0:33Gary Brecka?

  I know you've been very open about your history with addiction, how you solved that path. How has that journey transformed you?

• 0:40Speaker 00

  What the culture is telling me is if you are not famous, if you do not have money, you are not valuable. Now, I might have other pathological reasons for not feeling valuable. And one of the ways I best understand it is through the sort of rubric and lens of addiction. Thankfully, I've been educated and now so I'm on a different path to communicate a message of value to the maximum number of people.

• 1:00Gary Brecka?

  If Russell Brand were to look back on his life, humanity, public policy, what does that look like?

• 1:05Speaker 00

  Sometimes a fractured society, so full of falsehoods and damnation. And yet I have the sense that we're on the precipice of...

• 1:24Gary Brecka?

  Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, Gary Brecka, human biologist, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between. And today's guest is a sure treat. We've had an amazing morning here at the house with his kids and his wife and his family. We see eye to eye on so many things. He is an incredible comedian, actor, and a wellness inspirational individual that's just been on a tremendous journey of his own. So, welcome to the podcast, Russell Brand.

• 1:57Speaker 00

  Thanks, Gary. I've actually been here eight hours. You've accommodated me and, as you say, my family so beautifully. I've had hydro baths, I've fallen asleep under some sort of red light sunbed thing. I'm still wearing a weighted vest, even though I'm sat down now.

• 2:13Gary Brecka?

  He is wearing the weighted vest.

• 2:14Speaker 00

  It's branded. He's got your name on it.

• 2:16Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, he took, so he walks into my house, I've known him for, you know, three, four minutes. He goes, "What are you wearing?" I said, "It's a weighted vest." I take it off, he puts it on, and I don't think he's taken it off since.

• 2:27Speaker 00

  I'm very happy, and I took it off in the bath, of course.

• 2:30Gary Brecka?

  He did take it off in the bath. So he took a bath with his son and one of his friends. So we've had a whole day of biohacking. He's staying right across the street, so this is how we survived the hurricane. Turns out, we see eye to eye on so many things, and we've had some really inspirational discussions. But, you know, a lot of my podcast guests, I think, are very analogous to you and your journey in that they had a problem in their life, and they solved this problem. And through the solution to that problem, they've become these massively impactful figures. And I know you've been very open about your history with addiction, and how you solved

• 3:13Gary Brecka?

  that path, and it turned into Christianity, it turned into a massive voice for mindfulness, for meditation, for spirituality. I wonder, for, you know, my guests that maybe only know you as an actor, comedian, in your, I'll say, former life, it's still your current life, you know, how has that journey transformed you, and how has it put you on this path to be such an advocate for mindfulness and spirituality? And you've almost even become this anti-corruption, you know, purveyor of the truth. And I'm very attracted to people like that because you are so purpose and mission-driven.

• 3:54Gary Brecka?

  And the media hasn't been particularly kind to you, sometimes they're not kind to me. And so, talk a little bit about this journey from actor, comedian, and addict into the impactful journey that you're on now.

• 4:08Speaker 00

  Gary, I hear you, over the course of the day, talk a lot about stimuli and response, and the response that we... The conducive response between an external stimulant and whatever inner mechanism is impacted or responds to that stimuli. I heard once that in chemistry, if two components are introduced, if they react at all, then both are changed forever. I feel like a lot of people.

• 4:36Gary Brecka?

  It's a truthful statement.

• 4:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's cool, isn't it?

• 4:38Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 4:38Speaker 00

  But I feel like that most of us, but maybe many of your audience, and I know a lot of the various types of audiences that I have had and hopefully have grown and have grown with me over the years, will recognise that we interact with the apparently raw material of the culture and wonder how we might fit in with it. In fact, there's a beautiful quote by George Bernard Shaw, the playwright, who says, "The reasonable man looks at the world and asks how he might fit in with it. The unreasonable man looks at the world and asks how it might fit in with him." I think many of us look at culture and think, what am I supposed to be doing in this culture?

• 5:19Speaker 00

  Now, me, I have a lack of, as you obviously do, and now I understand a little bit about your history and how you've been able to apply your core competency to a variety of different fields. My inherited ability appears to be the spontaneous response to new stimuli and communicating new information. Now, I come from a pretty normal background back in England. I come from a place called Essex. If you don't know what Essex is, because you're American, it's like...

• 5:48Gary Brecka?

  I've heard of Essex.

• 5:48Speaker 00

  It's New Jersey, is what it is.

• 5:50Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 5:51Speaker 00

  So if you come from a place like that and you're aware of urbanity and cosmopolitanism, and then you're aware of fame and celebrity and excitement and all of those things, the culture is telling you, I don't know, maybe you're getting a different message, but I feel that what the culture is telling me is, if you are not famous, if you do not have money, you are not valuable. And actually, at that point, I wasn't famous and I didn't have money, so I didn't feel particularly valuable. Now, I might have other pathological reasons for not feeling valuable, and certainly I've explored them at some depth over a variety of conversations with a number of people over the years. And one of the ways I best understand it is through this sort of rubric and lens of addiction. Nevertheless, getting famous and becoming a celebrity is pretty exciting. People have done it, sort of know it. Going from scarcity to abundance is a pretty exciting journey for most people.

• 6:35Speaker 00

  But we're all dealing with the palette and the spectrum that we are shown. You know, I reflect frequently about how if I had known when I was younger, there was a different pathway, I may have taken it. But being a comedian, that seemed like a pretty easy fit for me. Being in movies, that seemed like a pretty exciting opportunity for me. And the fruits that the culture promises you, worldliness, are by their nature exciting and stimulating. Who doesn't want to be surrounded by nice material things? Who doesn't want to know what erotica is like when it's abundantly available? I know that I found those things pretty exciting. But luckily, God made me a terrible, terrible drug addict.

• 7:19Speaker 00

  So like, because when I was pretty young, I was addicted to crack and heroin in my twenties, say, I learned that the only way to, I was shown, I was shown, I did not work this out. I remembered someone taught me earlier today. In English, we say, "I speak English." That's how we say that statement. In Hindi, the equivalent is, "Hindi comes to me." And I have started to recognize that most of the things that I have in my life, one way or another, have come to me, whether they are hard, painful, agonizing lessons, or great and abundant gifts. Even the pleasure of today. I ran into Asim Malhotra, the brilliant British cardiologist, doctor and activist, whose film First Do No Farm is an excellent one.

• 8:00Gary Brecka?

  I had a podcast with him yesterday. I recommend everybody look, everybody watch that.

• 8:04Speaker 00

  What a great guy he is and what a brilliant innovator.

• 8:07Gary Brecka?

  Do No Farm.

• 8:07Speaker 00

  So because I trust the Lord, I run into him in the hotel lobby. And he's like, "Oh, Russell, are you here to see Gary Brecka?" And I'm, "I am now."

• 8:20Speaker 00

  And like, you know, of course, he was generous of spirit. This is good. He didn't sort of like try to keep you behind a little paywall. Like he was like, "Oh, yeah, yeah, Gary, you know, do you want me to connect you?" I was like, "Yeah, I do." And then like I message you, you message me back. In fact, I mean, Max, I don't know, I tell you, I do your job. Obviously brilliant, but you could drop in some of the videos.

• 8:37Gary Brecka?

  We should show the videos that we exchanged because they were absolutely hilarious.

• 8:40Speaker 00

  Pretty funny exchange and then within a few hours, because I trust the Lord, when you say to me, come here, I come here and.

• 8:46Gary Brecka?

  Bring the kids, bring the family.

• 8:48Speaker 00

  Come here, they're playing with your family members. I'm having a great time with my wife, my buddy's here with me. And I feel like I'm happy and in the flow of things. Somehow before I was corrupted by some malign flow towards the culture. I'm not saying there aren't marvelous people in the culture. I worked with amazing people in Hollywood, brilliant, intelligent, creative, wonderful people. But those institutions, those corporatized centralized institutions, as you described earlier in the day, and I won't be specific in case it's not something you want to be publicly known, but if something is geared towards the continual maximization of profit, it will always be corrupting. What industry at the top co level isn't geared towards the maximization of profit?

• 9:31Speaker 00

  Hospitality, big pharma, big food, look at all of them. They're all geared towards the maximization of profit. Throughout, therefore, like at an institutional level, money is being saved, products are being made addictive. I'm talking about food now and the brilliant work of Bobby Kennedy and Callie and Casey Means. So now, me, I don't want to just do work where I like, you know, where I appear in films unless them films have a really, really amazing message. And I can't imagine that they would have, although I would like to sort of make, there's a lot of things I'm learning about at the moment around Christianity and stuff. And I'd love to make some movies around those things and talking to people about those things. But now what I've realized, funny enough, going around the block with the gift of addiction, with the gift of trauma, with the great gift of my disadvantages,

• 10:09Speaker 00

  the gift of coming from where I come from, having the afflictions that I have, now I'm on a pathway where I'm much happier. I wish I'd been set off in this pathway in the first place. You know, like Gary with Dalai Lamas and that, you know? I know that Dalai Lama's is not a massive category, you can only have one at a time, but all different types of.

• 10:27Gary Brecka?

  You only have one at a time, this is true.

• 10:29Speaker 00

  You don't want Lama rap battles, but with like Lama hierarchies, you know, like they in Tibet, they go around and they look sort of poke, yeah, have a little poke around, see kids that are looking a bit off key, like that kid's probably a Lama, show him a walking stick, show him a bowl of hat from yesteryear, do a little ceremony. If it turns out he's a. Reincarnated Lama, you're coming to the monastery, son. Now, in our culture where we don't believe in reincarnation, I believe in eternal life as a follower of Jesus Christ. Like, most of us, by default, become members of the biggest cult there is. The cult of commodity and consumerism, the cult of bad food and Big Pharma. That's the cult, the glistening and shimmering cult of Mammon. We're all indoctrinated into that cult. You're not offered the opportunity unless you're born into a religious community

• 11:11Speaker 00

  or like have the privilege of being born into a family of people who know what a score is. And like, we're not giving you our kids that food. We're not giving our kids those medications. We're not letting our kids watch those kind of shows. We're not letting our kids go to those type of schools. Unless you're lucky enough to be born in that, the system will turn you into a lot of commodity.

• 11:27Gary Brecka?

  So true.

• 11:28Speaker 00

  Thankfully, Lord, I've been educated and now so I'm on a sort of a different path where I'm hopefully can learn the skill set gifted to me by a variety of experiences to communicate a message of value to the maximum number of people. And thankfully, I don't even have to take care of it anymore because you'll be in charge of that bit. I'm gonna relax.

• 11:48Gary Brecka?

  But, you know, and, you know, we talked about messaging to the masses and we talked about, you know, sort of this, just the state of the world and society and how we got here and got so divided and, and, and how we got so upside down with, um, you know, the corruption in our, you know, our political systems and our, and our food systems and our, and our, you know, industry of, of pharmaceuticals and disease. But turning this somehow into a message of hope is, I think, the greatest gift. And, and we, we talked about that a lot today in the eight hours that we spent together. And you had really some, some incredible kernels of wisdom. And I wonder if you might talk about what your message is to the masses now. I mean, you do talk a lot about mindfulness, a lot about spirituality.

• 12:32Gary Brecka?

  You talk about the impact that Christianity's had on you. You're, you know, you've, you, you've found Jesus or he found you. And you now subscribe to that lifestyle. And, and so how has that changed your message? And what is your message to humanity now? I mean, if, if Russell Brand were to look back on his life 25, 30, 40 years from today and say, I accomplished... My mission, I have this vision in my mind of where I would like to see humanity, public policy, you know, and what does that look like? What does your utopian world look like?

• 13:10Speaker 00

  Isn't it strange, Gary, that it seems so bleak at the moment, sometimes a fractured society, so full of falsehoods, persecution, condemnation, war, toxicity and damnation. And yet I have the sense that we're on the precipice of something quite incredible, just because I get to speak to amazing individuals quite frequently. Now, say if people have a vision of changing just one area, let's take the area of food. If someone is an expert in nutrition and has a vision for how to alter food, in particular, ensure that people have access to good nutrition. Say if that person who knows how to spread a message around nutrition well were to work

• 13:53Speaker 00

  with people that have political influence, a few examples like Kelly Means or Bobby Kennedy who's interested in this subject. I'm beginning to see that there's sort of an emergent corpus and the cartilage between the parts of this emergent new anatomy can be animated by a certain type of spirit. Now, you asked this, you asked me this question, particularly in relationship to having become Christian, having been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. And I love it because, you know, we, everything.

• 14:21Gary Brecka?

  I do too.

• 14:22Speaker 00

  Thanks, man. I praise Jesus. Everything you do these days is like criticized and condemned. Of course, people see me as a famous person getting baptized and I love to watch like the kind of propaganda done by, I suppose they're establishment supporting podcasts, but they think somehow that they're doing something vanguard and important. But no, they are supporting the interests of the powerful. They're the same kind of people that would get Pfizer tattooed on them during the pandemic period, forgetting for a moment the Big Pharma. We've always known those were the baddies. We've always known that during the opioid crisis. We've always known when there are peculiar out of court settlements with Johnson and Johnson over their baby powder or 300, billions of dollars are spent on out of court settlements by the pharmaceutical industry. That's an indicator and that we all know how the FDA.

• 15:07Speaker 00

  is run and how the CDC is run and how the NIH is run, we know and have known for some time, these people are not the good guys. And if you find yourself advocating for their perspective, you are on the wrong side. Now, I mentioned this in relationship to Christianity for this simple reason. Having become a Christian, when I'm on point, I'm only talking to an audience of one at all times. I'm talking to Jesus Christ. I'm talking only to Jesus Christ. And at best, it's Jesus Christ talking to Jesus Christ. I'm not making any claim, of course, that would be ludicrous and absurd, that I am Jesus Christ. I'm saying like in Galatians-

• 15:37Gary Brecka?

  You kind of look like him.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Thank you. I've, like, I've, listen, since becoming Christian, I've been willing to make this change. I've gone from wanting to be Jesus to wanting to be St. Paul. I'm not going any lower than that. That's it.

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• 17:11Gary Brecka?

  men's rally, or I probably wouldn't have gone. And there was a, it was in Soldier Field, 70,000 Christian men in Soldier Field, and everybody joined hands and began to recite the Lord's Prayer.

• 17:24Gary Brecka?

  And I was raised Roman Catholic, but got very far away from the church. And I hope that I don't politicize this or, you know, offend my audience because this is just my own personal journey. But my, you know, my parents were very religious. My dad was Navy captain. My mom, mother worked for the airlines growing up. We had a little church in our town in Lothian. But half the church was in Latin. And, you know, if you know anything about Roman Catholics, like they're very, very traditional, very ritualistic. Stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, kneel, peace be with you, ring the bell, incense, go to communion, sit back down. I had no identity with the church. I didn't feel like I identified with the church. And so when I got into college, I got pretty much as far away from the church as I could.

• 18:09Gary Brecka?

  But this Christian men's rally, this brought me back into a religious perspective. I actually accepted Jesus that day. I went down to the stage. Why?

• 18:23Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's, to this day, I don't know. I was holding hands with all of these men in this, in soldier field. And everybody started to recite the Lord's Prayer. And I started bawling. I just started crying and I didn't know why I was crying. And I looked around and there were all these other men crying. And in my mind, I said to myself, 70,000 men cannot be wrong. Like there's 70,000 people in this stadium. And they have no agenda. And the pastor was calling people down to the stage. And I just felt so compelled. I didn't know why I was doing it. I went down there and gave my life to Christ. And I think that very often, and I, you know, I don't push that on people.

• 19:06Gary Brecka?

  I don't judge people for having, you know, a different religious motif. And I didn't intend for this podcast to become, you know, about religion. But I think so often I had looked at religion as being very confining. And all of the parameters that would be put on you, once you became a quote unquote religious person, or you became a Christian, or you chose whatever religious path you have, it's actually very liberating.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:30Gary Brecka?

  For me, Christianity especially, because you just lay your problems at the foot of the cross, you can't have a direct relationship with Jesus, you know, you don't need an institutional framework, in which I think a lot of people go, "Look at me, I go to church every Sunday, and you know, I've given in the offering, or you know, I've donated to this philanthropy." And I don't believe that you need that to have a godly relationship, you know, with, with Christ. And that's been very fulfilling for me. And I'm a very imperfect person. I mean, I've been divorced, I've been bankrupt, you know, I've been in litigation, I'm an imperfect person, but I think that what Christianity has allowed me to do is be that imperfect person, recognize it, ask for forgiveness, ask, you know, ask God to keep me on his path, and...

• 20:12Speaker 00

  Yes, Gary.

• 20:13Gary Brecka?

  I find it as an enormous sense of strength, and I think people that do not have faith or religion, which is fine for them, look at people that are religious and think that they are condemning them, or they're constantly judging them, and it's, it's actually the polar opposite, right? I don't think less of you because you don't have the same religious path that I do. But if you have something that's missing in your life, very often, it's a, it's a spiritual relationship. You know, we are spiritual beings, we, frequency matters in the human body. Faith is all about delayed gratification, you know, you know, we know that we're headed to a better place. And when you don't even fear dying, you don't fear much else.

• 20:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. I think that's why a Christian is getting a real hard time, because you don't...

• 21:03Gary Brecka?

  Very hard time.

• 21:04Speaker 00

  The same way as you talk quite a lot, mate, about it's beneficial to powerful institutions to have a population that's sort of high, maybe on illicit substances, dumbed down, probably on SRIs, ill and sick from bad food and bad farmer, hardly in a position to start standing up and opposing systems of corruption. Similarly, on the spiritual plane, if people... Begin to believe that all of us are fallen, all of us are sinners, all of us are forgiven, and not by through some act of merit that we have undertaken ourself by becoming good or powerful or something, but because of the sacrifice that He made for us and we enjoy eternal life, not for something that because of something that we have done,

• 21:48Speaker 00

  but because of something that He has done for us, that He was sacrificed, that we may be born again. Now, this idea when undertaken rationally with my panicky, fiddly little chopsticks of rationalism poking around.

• 22:02Gary Brecka?

  Panicky, fiddly.

• 22:04Speaker 00

  On the level of rationalism, some molecular scrutiny carried out there on the petri dish of reality, like it don't make no sense to me. But I can know the peace that passed of all understanding by surrendering my ability to understand, and I can know and feel His wisdom. And that thing that you described among them seventy thousand men taking the oath there among a brotherhood, I've had experiences like that. In fact, I can feel it. I can feel Him with me when I yield. And we don't choose whether or not we worship, we choose who we worship. Either we choose to worship the highest principle, which in my case is Jesus Christ, my Lord and Savior, or we worship carnality, the flesh, or we

• 22:47Speaker 00

  worship civilization and culture, wildliness, or we worship the diseases of the mind, the devil, mental infection, distraction, self obsession, circuitous circular, endless fractal dances inwardly following the false Luciferian light that's blasted at you continuously, day and night in this neon world by satanic forces. And you ain't got strong enough, I ain't strong enough to overcome those things on my own, but through Him, there is a new power. No wonder the culture wants you to think that stuff is dumb and boring or sexist or homophobic or something. But I've spoken to a lot of Christians now, and they say, we're all sinners, I've got no judgment on anybody, it's the first decree, no business judging anybody else. Sometimes I do judge other people, not as a Christian though,

• 23:28Speaker 00

  because I'm a fallen man myself. And the proclamation is this, that it is a kingdom for sinners, it's a kingdom for those of us that are fallen. And the reason they don't want you Christians, not because they care about sexism or they care about homophobia or any of that stuff. They don't want you Christian because they don't want you waking up and opposing them and knowing that you're part of an eternal kingdom. And their material and passing world is of no value. And when people start realizing that, when people start becoming willing to sacrifice themselves for a higher principle, they're gonna have a real struggle on their hands. Rather than choosing which of the two parties runs the country for the next four years, you'll be you'll be dealing with an empowered nation of people that are surrendered but somehow empowered through surrender. They don't need that. They don't want it from a nutritional perspective and they don't want it from a spiritual perspective.

• 24:09Speaker 00

  And it's our job, in answer to your question, to deliver the possibility of that. And for me, I'll just try and do it as an individual as best I can and hope that that somehow acts as a contagion among all of us, because on my own, I can't do it. I need continual support. I'm vulnerable and I'm weak, but in my weakness is his strength.

• 24:28Gary Brecka?

  You know, and we talked about not how do we turn the world into Christians, but how do we, how do we actually fundamentally make a change? Because I think no matter what side of the aisle people are on or where their beliefs fall, I think everybody would agree that we're a lot more polarized than we need to be. And I don't think anybody can pinpoint exactly what it is. And I think, secondly, you know, we're, we're a lot more sick and diseased and pathological than we really deserve to be. And we have pandemic of chronic disease and we have pandemic of mental illness. We have a pandemic of childhood obesity, of childhood cancer, of childhood sickness. And when you see that there's an industry that is there profiting from disease and pathology

• 25:13Gary Brecka?

  and sickness and chronic illness, so that people suffer over a prolonged period of time, they don't die early, they suffer over a prolonged period of time, there seems to be a way that we can bring society together under the common theme that nobody wants more sick children. Nobody wants a poor quality food supply. Nobody wants, you know, an increased amount of highly processed and engineered foods that are not even foods in our diet. But we've developed a society where the wealthiest and most powerful and most influential institutions now control that segment of the population. Like, I worry about our soil health, and I worry about the quality of our water, and

• 25:57Gary Brecka?

  I worry about the fact that the majority of Americans don't even eat whole foods. Sixty-five, seventy percent of their diets is highly processed foods, engineered foods. And people refer to it as fear mongering, but I'm not trying to fear monger. I'm actually trying to help you get around the system so you can get back to just, you know, basic nutritional foods. Like, you know, when we were eating here, you know, all day, we've had raw dairy and grass-fed meats. And by the way, he's eating meat now, thanks to Paul Saladino. Shout out to Paul Saladino.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  And Bear Grylls.

• 26:32Gary Brecka?

  And Bear Grylls, so Bear Grylls, you get deserved shout out, too. So, you know, one of the things we talked about is how do we shift back to make popular the, you know, the whole food diets and exercise and prayer to whatever god you pray to, or mindfulness and awareness and breath work. Like, how do we make that kind of shift to society, especially in the masses?

• 27:01Speaker 00

  Oh, well, this is what I think. Now, you know, a minute ago, you said like that you want people to suffer from chronic illness, because chronic means time, and time means money. And if people are sick their whole lives, then you've got a customer for life.

• 27:16Gary Brecka?

  That's a win.

• 27:17Speaker 00

  Yeah. Well, you know, that reminds me of something that the very brilliant hero Julian Assange said. "The aim is not to win the Afghanistan war," he says. "The aim is to perpetuate the Afghanistan war." The Afghanistan war cost America $2 trillion. That $2 trillion is your $2 trillion if you're a taxpayer in America. That's your money. It's not the government's money. The government money doesn't make money. They haven't got an ice cream stand out the back. It's your money. And as you know, like, the $14 trillion that they've spent since the Iraq War, seventy percent is a feed between Fifty-five and seventy percent of that went to military industrial complex companies.

• 27:52Gary Brecka?

  When you say military industrial complex companies, I don't think most people understand what you mean. I think most people's interpretation of, and certainly my myopic view, because I don't profess to know much about, you know, where how spending goes in foreign wars, is that, you know, we're sending this money to a foreign country to fight their own battle. But you're saying that we're actually sending this back to ourselves to fund our battle. Hey, guys, let's talk about meat for a minute. Did you know that ninety-six percent of the beef sold in stores is not grass-fed? That's right. Most beef comes from cows fed a grain-based diet in feedlots, which isn't even healthy for you or the cow. And even

• 28:33Gary Brecka?

  if a label says grass-fed, that doesn't always mean what you think. It means a cow spent at least fifty percent of its life on grass. So now, if you're ready to eat a real nutrient-dense meat that was raised on a pasture, then let me introduce you to Parker Pastures. I love this place. The story of Parker Pastures is as inspiring as it is heartwarming. Chloe Parker, just nineteen years old, took over the family business when her mom was diagnosed with cancer. Instead of backing away, Chloe stepped up to lead and turned an overwhelming challenge into a calling. Chloe says it best. In honor of my mom and for the health of all, I guarantee Parker Pastures meat will always be flavorful, nutrient-dense, and healing for both you and the land. You can order grass-fed and grass-finished beef, lamb,

• 29:16Gary Brecka?

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• 29:42Speaker 00

  Well, as I understand, and the information I have comes from men that know a lot more than me, for example, men like Jeffrey Sachs, or John Mearsheimer, or Callie Means, people that understand how the deep state and military industrial complex work. Most of the Pentagon's money, over 50%, between 55 and 70% of the defence budget goes to companies like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Northrop Grumman, and Boeing. Those are others, but those are some of the biggest. So when money's going, say, to Ukraine, meaning there's not enough money for hurricane relief in Florida, or fire relief in Hawaii, that money isn't going to sort of like buy blankets,

• 30:23Speaker 00

  like nutritional food, it's going to buy missiles and weapons. And increasingly, these agitating armaments are being used in ways that are likely more debilitating to the fragile world peace that hangs upon those conflicts. Now, whichever particular conflict you're talking about, or we're discussing, my view is that America, and NATO, if you're going to have a NATO, America should use its power on the global stage, which is obviously still significant and supreme yet, in order to bring about diplomatic solutions in any conflict that they are peripherally, or emotionally, or ideologically involved. Not to perpetuate the crisis, because the perpetuation of the crisis leads to loss of

• 31:05Speaker 00

  life on all sides of the conflict, and as well, seemingly as a tangent or byproduct, does increase the profit margins of Lockheed Martin, and Northrop Grumman, et cetera, who spend a lot of money lobbying, spend a lot of money donating, and a significant number of people in your institutions of legislation and government own stocks and shares in those organisations, which in itself should be banned. So what I believe in is institutional change, and when you sort of talk about, as you just did, like making nutritional change, it ain't no small thing to tell people to start eating well, and to start eating healthy, because there's a lot of things that have got to get bypassed. Bobby Kennedy taught me about how food stamps in this country can be significantly spent on dumb sugary drinks that aren't very good for people.

• 31:50Speaker 00

  And you don't have to talk about, like, you know, I've been listening to you... All day when I've not been talking myself, but you've done the most of the talking. It's your house, it's your expertise.

• 31:59Speaker 02

  I have eaten your face today, I definitely have.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  Been a lot of language, but it's been amazing and there's been some strong downloads. But what I learned, even probably the first 20 minutes that we were chatting, is that things that I've learned, please remember these names and please consider having them on your podcast if you can. People that I have learned from, like Helena Norby Codge, who since the 1970s has been campaigning for what she would call localism, that we should be in food grown and reared, where, in the environment that is grown and reared. Or Vandana Shiva, who speaks continually about the impact of Bill Gates's interference, which she says is worse than Monsanto's, on Indian farming and farming across Africa. And how the seeds are sacred, that life is sacred.

• 32:45Speaker 00

  And by patenting a seed, you turn it into information. And they want to turn everything into information, because then you can patent and own information, then you can centralize it, you can control it. And we, human beings, we don't matter to them. So you can't sort of, even like talking about poor people being able to afford good steak, or good vegetables, or good fish, or whatever they want to eat, because it's their business after all. For poor people to afford that stuff, the entire economic system and big food system is going to have to be radically altered. That cannot be altered because government is owned by those interest lobbyists and donor class. So you have to change government. And you don't really get many opportunities to change government in ways that would meaningfully impact that. Because those companies, guess what they worked out?

• 33:27Speaker 00

  If they fund both parties, whichever party wins, they're still in charge. Except anomalously and peculiarly, anachronistically and peculiarly, once every generation or so, some weird cadre of characters will turn up, like Bobby Kennedy, Trump, Tulsi Gabbard, and you might get a shot. And whether or not you believe in all those people or none of those people, what you have to recognize is they represent berserker havoc in institutional systems that operate at the global level, macro-wise, and at the deep state level, nationally, to create a kind of... Polarised magnetism that prevents electoral democracy or true representative republicanism

• 34:10Speaker 00

  ever taking place. And the only way to disrupt it at the moment, I would say, is by thinking very carefully what you do with your vote in the forthcoming election in this country and in other countries as well. You have to, we have to learn to recognise worldliness as globalism, the devotion to the world, the replacing of divine, holy, sacred power with material, rational power. Once you annihilate the God principle, once you take Jesus Christ out of the picture, then you can say, well, we're God now. We're God with all of our information and with all of our data. And what do they do with that information and data? Data, of course, can be used brilliantly and magnificently to create excellence and wellness and health, but data can also be used to create control. And that's what these big tech companies have become very adept at doing. And the outlier big tech companies that refuse to play that

• 34:55Speaker 00

  game, whether that's Rumble, the platform that I'm on, or X that is owned by Elon Musk, or TikTok, because it's, you know, a foreign national company. If those, if they don't play ball, they get penalised and controlled. There is no virtue or principle under censorship. We want to protect people from hate speech. What is hate speech? Keep it vague. Then it's whatever speech we want to control is hate speech. So this is a point, I suppose, where we first have to recognise that the threat is not one political party versus another political party, it's globalism versus nationalism. Now, is there a type of nationalism that might be exclusive, might include all people, might include various cultures with respect for the, let's call it dominant culture of whatever that country is, say, France, or America,

• 35:39Speaker 00

  or England, or Senegal, or wherever, it doesn't actually matter. The principle is localising power to the lowest level, localising food to the lowest level, localising forms of communication to the lowest level, not what's happening and what we saw in the pandemic, centralising power to the highest level. WF, WHO, IMF, World Bank, NATO, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, although Melinda dropped out for some reason, too many plane trips, baby. So what we have to watch for is that level of corruption. We have to watch out for global corruption and we have to oppose it. First, within Individual sovereignty, that means the power to surrender to the highest principle, not the power to dominate. And we have to collectively communicate so we can create new alliances. I'm sure you work with people

• 36:23Speaker 00

  that you don't agree with on everything. So do I, because we've got something serious to oppose.

• 36:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, and it's it's not that I'm trying to oppose anything. My my my message hopefully is one of hope, you know, that you know, people don't need to be dogmatic about dieting. They need to be eating whole foods. People don't need to have fancy equipment and gyms. They need to just be moving their bodies more. They need to actually take their health and wellness into their own hands, start filtering their waters, start actually reading labels, start start trying to circumvent the system there themselves, because I think if you know, not telling people particularly how to vote or how to think, but if we actually give them the skills so that they can enter an average supermarket, you know, the the average family doesn't even know how to spin a box crackers around and tell whether or not it's nutritious or not. And and mothers and fathers are doing the right thing

• 37:13Gary Brecka?

  in their mind by feeding their children ultra-processed foods, because the truth is, there's a lot of research that is imparted by our public policy institutions that would say that there's no harm for you know, these these foods, things that are fortified, things that are rich, things that are colored, things that are artificially sweetened, artificially flavored. You know, the there's there are these big announcements, I see them in mainstream periodicals that

• 37:39Gary Brecka?

  there really no evidence to say that highly processed foods have a negative impact on health. So, you know, we're still investigating it. But, you know, right now, Lucky Charms is more nutritious than Grass-fed Steak. And I just think that's it's it's such nonsense, you know, the the real research that I see in the in the longevity, the anti-aging, the biohacking space that I think is really profound for humanity is getting us back to the basics. It's like sunlight, breathwork, grounding, cold showers, exercise, mobility, sense of community, sense of purpose, whole foods.

• 38:12Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's and and people think that when you're trying to back them up to how we did things 50, 60, 80 years ago, that you're also trying to back up how we thought during that time. You're like, well, you know, that was a time where society was a lot more divided. So we don't want to go back to that time. But you actually do want to go back to how our ancestors ate and how they exposed themselves to the sun and how in touch with nature they were and how they had actually deep, meaningful relationships that weren't like turned over to social media to be, you know, very fake and superficial. And, and, you know, Bobby Kennedy talks about how when he graduated from high school, and this actually hit me

• 38:57Gary Brecka?

  too, because I graduated high school in 1988. So there you go. I've just dated myself. And when I graduated high school, I didn't know a single person that was autistic. Right? I still can't think. I didn't even know somebody who knew somebody that was autistic. Yeah. My 16 year old stepdaughter, Sage's daughter, knows 10, 10 friends that that had have autism and knows 15 other families that have autistic children. And so you've seen autism go from 1 in 5,000 to 1 in 32. And that was the last time we had statistics, probably much worse now. And you've got to ask yourself, what is causing this? Right? Where, how in the

• 39:39Gary Brecka?

  in the most civilized nation in the world with the access to healthcare we have, with $4.5 trillion a year being spent on healthcare, how are we becoming so sick, so diseased, so pathological? And why are our children having to deal with mental illness at such a young age? And so you bring in a, an angle of mindfulness, meditation, you know, I hear you talk about this all the time. And what are some of the practices that you engage in on a daily basis that keep you grounded and centered, you know, while the media is assailing you? And how do you stay focused on the mission? And how do you, what practices?

• 40:22Gary Brecka?

  Is do you engage in that everybody else could engage in to be more mindful?

• 40:25Speaker 00

  I've been trying to learn about what you said there about the anthropology, about how the breath work and the exposure to light and the reverence for our indigenous condition is a significant portion of our wellness dispensed with.

• 40:42Gary Brecka?

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• 41:24Gary Brecka?

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• 41:54Speaker 00

  Why do you think that is, Gary? Why do you think that if we approximate the conditions for which we lived in for millions or hundreds of thousands? It depends what version you believe. Certainly for a long time, we lived more harmoniously with nature. Why do you think that has such obvious health benefits when it comes to nutrition? And because nutrition is so measurable, I wonder if there are corretives beyond nutrition. You've already indicated light, and I suppose that's a form of nutrition, and breath. I suppose that's the ultimate form of nutrition. But if we are rewarded, I mean, if you take sort of an evolutionary and biological perspective,

• 42:33Speaker 00

  the idea would be that we evolved harmoniously with these sources and stimuli. So we are in a symbiotic relationship with nature. We are an emergent part of nature.

• 42:44Gary Brecka?

  No doubt that we are. I mean, in a teaspoon of soil. There are more organisms than there are people on the surface of the earth. I mean, so what you have is, you have these, and I feel like we just switched from me interviewing you to you interviewing me, but I want to answer your question. But the, you know, you take a teaspoon of soil, you realize how many microorganisms are in that soil. There's an entire ecosystem in that soil, and it's there for a reason. It was designed, it's unbelievably beautiful design, this ecosystem. And this ecosystem gives rise to soil nutrition, which gives rise to, you know, grasses and plants, and in many cases, we eat those plants, in many cases, animals eat those plants, and

• 43:25Gary Brecka?

  they eat this diverse ecosystem of bacteria and bugs and fungi and cellulose and all of these different compounds. That gets into their bodies, and then those move up the food chain, and we consume those. And so, this ecosystem from the soil to the human being is a very important lineage. And as you destroy the soil, you essentially destroy the human being. You know, it's like an assembly line, right? You put a part on it at one end, and it's getting assembled while it's working its way to the other end. Well, if you destroy it at the beginning of the assembly line, then the part's never fully assembled.

• 44:08Gary Brecka?

  So, this is the same with the ecosystem of soil and plants and animals, and, you know, there is a way for us to make farming regenerative, there's a way for us to restore the

• 44:20Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 44:21Gary Brecka?

  You know, the health of our soil. And, so I guess the point that I'm trying to make is, that in an industrialized society where the idea is volume and profit and not nutrition, what we've done is, we've either intentionally or non-intentionally, ended up poisoning the masses and creating a pandemic of chronic disease that is now so catastrophic that it could actually collapse the most economically powerful nation in the world. So we're becoming victims of our own, you know, the, you reap what you sow. And, you know, I, I think that it, you know, when I get back in touch with nature personally,

• 45:04Gary Brecka?

  and I post about this all the time, I throw my own cell phone under the bus all the time. Like, geez, guys, I put on 20-pound ruck vest and went for a four-mile walk in the woods. I feel better than I do getting out of a hydrogen bath, out of $120,000 red light bed, or using my fancy PMF mat or sleeping in my EMF tent. I feel amazing, just that connection to nature. And if you go back and look at physiologically what we get from nature, we get magnetism from the earth, we get oxygen from the air, we get light from the sun. The further that we get from those basics, magnetism, oxygen, and light, the sicker we become. And I feel like aging is the aggressive pursuit of comfort. You know, people are pursuing comfort so aggressively that we actually accelerate our aging, right? Most people don't like to lift heavy weight. Most people don't like to expose themselves to cold water. Most people don't go outside because it's too hot.

• 45:49Gary Brecka?

  They don't go outside because it's too cold. They eat at the first pang of hunger. They want everything to be immediately, instantly satisfied. We control our lighting, we control our temperature. And, and we're just not exposing ourselves to the hormetic stresses that strengthen us.

• 46:02Speaker 00

  The only thing that I would query is whether or not that's taking place at the level of the individual or the level of an entire culture, given that we've just spent much of this conversation-

• 46:08Gary Brecka?

  Well, I hope there's nobody at the top just pulling the strings, you know, designing this, because it's really, it's really sick being designed so-

• 46:14Speaker 00

  To make people eat bad food, to make people take bad drugs, to make people live sedentary lifestyles, that's telling me that I have to get back to my children, so-

• 46:22Gary Brecka?

  Okay, so we can, we can hurry this up.

• 46:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, but what I, what I want to say is that, of course, it's being centrally organized. What is monopolization? What, why do we put the prefix "big" in front of farmer and in front of food and in front of agriculture? Because it is centrally controlled. So whilst at the individual level, we might have become, as I once said the phrase, prisoners of comfort, that's been indoctrinated and institutionalized at a cultural level. Most people would prefer to eat healthy, delicious food if it was affordable- by breaking down these massive Goliath tyrannical systems that are dominating and controlling our culture, using our political parties as the marionettes. When they pull a string, those things twitch. That's what can only be-

• 47:07Speaker 00

  opposed if people are galvanized and purpose driven. Now you asked me a minute ago about my daily routine. I believe in the things, I think, but with a sort of a much level lower, a lower level of understanding that you believe in. I do my, like, I wake up and if I'm at home and I have access to it, I do a cold plunge. Then I spend some time in the sauna where I do the holy rosary. Then, then I read scripture every day and some other readings. I pray on my knees for a while. And I pray for anyone that I can think of that is suffering and needs help and I worship and I praise God. And I do a gratitude list every day for the many, many things I've grateful for, for the previous day. Cause I'd like to try and get into that grateful mindset. Yes. Right at the beginning of the day. Then I try to watch myself and whether or not I'm doing things for other people

• 47:52Speaker 00

  or whether I've drifted back into just seeing the whole world about being what I want the whole time. I drift back into that pretty easily. It's quite easy to slide back into that kind of mad solipsism. It's easily done. So I try and have routines that do that now. Like I've been sort of traveling at the moment. I'm in your country in this hurricane world, in this hurricane election. But like, I, I like to do Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. I like to do yoga, although I've not done yoga for a while. I'd love to do some more. At the moment, I'm eating meat, which I've not done for a long, long time. And I can feel it's constitutionally changing me. Some friends of mine, you know, I was like vegetarian for when I was 13. I've been vegan for about five years. Some of my friends said, it's them or you, Russell. It's them or you.

• 48:38Speaker 00

  The animals that I was in a time of rebuilding. So I've undergone a lot of radical change. Most of all though, becoming Christian has given me a focus that it isn't me at the center of the universe. And I'm relieved with that. Even if you hate yourself, you can put yourself at the center of the universe. I think even people that are full of self pity, full of self loathing, despair and suicidal, they might be the people that are most at the center of their universe, that would most benefit from the presence of an all loving, real creator risen now as he was risen then. I think it's the sort of the greatest advance in, in, it's greater than the advance of the iPhone. It's greater than the advance of the internet, an omniscient, omnipresent, Holy Spirit, ever-present in relationship with you right now. What could be? Better than that, so like having all of these things bought together.

• 49:21Speaker 00

  It's uh, nothing has made me more myself than surrendering to those things. And since I've been in your country on this trip, I feel purpose driven and I feel directed and I can see.

• 49:30Gary Brecka?

  I can feel it, yeah.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's unfolding. I know I don't have to do anything. The only thing I've, I've recognized now, the only power I've ever had is the power to make things worse.

• 49:41Gary Brecka?

  Well, Russell, I know you gotta go and get with your kids. So um, you know, I, I, I end every podcast by asking all my guests the same question. And that is, what do you, what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 49:52Speaker 00

  Alright, to be an ultimate, the ultimate human is, the ultimate human is Jesus Christ. The ultimate human, to be the ultimate human myself, what it means is get out of the way, Russell. Now, to get Russell out of the way, like you, I do have to undertake a lot of rituals that could easily be misinterpreted as a kind of selfishness. But the simple fact is, I'm lucky that I, blessed that I do not function unless I get up and expose myself to cold water, expose myself to scripture, expose myself to breath and meditation, expose myself to the company of other people just like me that one day at a time do not drink or take drugs. I need regular contact with the vulnerable and the fallen to remind myself of my purpose.

• 50:35Speaker 00

  So the ultimate human being is Jesus Christ, fully human, fully God. The ultimate human, the ultimate version of Russell is the Russell that fully accepts that there's no point in a Russell that is his own God. There's no point in any of us being our own gods, that the really, that when your purpose is the myopic pursuit of self fulfillment, you're a closed off little loop. I'm sure all of us know, powerful billionaires, incredible politicians that are caught up in that circuitous little loop, they're locked off, they're lifed off, they may as well be in a prison cell. But if you are connected to the whole, to the sort of mycelium network of the ulterior reality with him at the center, then you are a force of great power.

• 51:16Speaker 00

  So the ultimate human is whatever rituals you undertake, whatever ceremonies, whatever nutrition you imbibe, is the human being that is willing to accept the highest call of all.

• 51:26Gary Brecka?

  Hmm, that was good. Good one. So, Russell, I hope that we can have you back again.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  I'm only ever the road.

• 51:35Gary Brecka?

  Because I think we're just... He's only 150 yards away.

• 51:38Speaker 00

  I liked it. Well, like, what about the beginning? I was going, "Gary!" Like that.

• 51:41Gary Brecka?

  He was. He was literally shouting from downstairs, screaming up to my balcony, "Gary!"

• 51:46Speaker 00

  Wanted to get up here. I knew there was stuff up here that I wanted.

• 51:49Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, it's a very special place.

• 51:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, because I don't normally imagine that you would get a special place that would be so fly. Normally, a special place would be some rickety little place. But what this is, I would say, is it's the biohacking Willy Wonka's chocolate factory, where you are taken on a world of pure imagination. And every wall, "This microbe will add 10 years to your life. Why don't you lick that wallpaper? It'll advance your consciousness by 5%. Drink this water. It's got special magic bubbles in it." Never been anywhere like this.

• 52:21Gary Brecka?

  It actually does. It's a hydrophone. And today, I was installing UV filtration when he got here. I had the guys here ripping all my AC units out. But this has been amazing. I want to ask you a couple of questions offline for my rule break of VIPs, because they submitted five questions I want to get to. And then I want to get back to your family. But thank you for taking the time today.

• 52:42Speaker 00

  I love it.

• 52:43Gary Brecka?

  I appreciate you being so raw and so visceral. I know that people are going to be... Some people are going to get the message. Some people are going to be polarized by this. But feel free to leave your comments, guys. I want to hear from all of you. If you think it was a terrible idea, if you think it was a great idea. I welcome all of those ideas to get the message out. And as always, that's just science.