Chanise Coyne's $4.6 Million Child Modeling Scam with Brandon Kyle Goodman

If you can't buy a modeling career for $4.6 million, you simply weren't meant to strut runways or grace Vogue's pages. But that didn't stop Chanise Coyne from scamming parents across Florida out of millions, hoping their children would hit the big time. Coyne had no photos in her hands. Actor and comedian Brandon Kyle Goodman joins Laci Mosley for a mind-boggling trip into the Facebook pages, artist squabbles, and unbelievable bank accounts of America's wannabe models. SUPPORT BRANDON: https://brandonkylegoodman.substack.com/p/live-show-in-los-angeles SOCIALS: Brandon Kyle Goodman: @BrandonKyleGoodman https://www.instagram.com/brandonkylegoodman/?hl=en Laci Mosley: @divalaci https://www.instagram.com/divalaci/?hl=en WE'RE ON YOUTUBE: Join us on YouTube! See Laci, the guests, and fraudsters: https://www.youtube.com/@ScamGoddess SOURCES: https://www.freep.com/story/news/crime/2026/09/23/woman-blew-millions-on-taylor-swift-tickets-cruises-gambling/91892731007/ https://www.freep.com/story/news/crime/2026/05/20/michigan-child-modeling-scam-chanise-coyne/90166060007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z11xx75p116550l115250c116550e1156xxv11xx75d--44--b--44--&gca-ft=229&gca-ds=sophi https://www.freep.com/story/news/crime/2026/05/20/michigan-child-modeling-scam-chanise-coyne/90166060007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z11xx75p116550l115250c116550e1156xxv11xx75d--44--b--44--&gca-ft=229&gca-ds=sophi https://www.casino.org/news/4-6m-child-modeling-fraudster-blew-stolen-cash-on-gambling-taylor-swift-tickets/ https://abc7.com/post/malibu-man-bernhard-eugen-fritsch-fbis-most-wanted-list-allegedly-conned-investors-20-million/19789742/ https://nypost.com/2026/09/21/us-news/hollywood-actress-facing-prison-after-helping-boyfriend-escape-to-mexico/ See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:03Laci Mosley?

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• 1:19Speaker 03

  You never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform.

• 1:24Laci Mosley?

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• 1:44Speaker 04

  If anyone wanted to commit a murder, up here would be the greatest place in the world to hide the body, but no one will find it.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  He acted friendly. He talked friendly. He sounded friendly.

• 1:57Laci Mosley?

  They all knew that I did this scary boogie stuff, and they says, maybe she'll find out where this girl is.

• 2:05Speaker 06

  I saw him violent, backhanded her, pow!

• 2:10Speaker 06

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• 2:25Laci Mosley?

  In 1986, a man named Scott Macklem was killed in broad daylight. Police quickly found their suspect. Prosecutors convicted him. But now, almost 40 years later, I'm reexamining this case. I really didn't believe any of it was real. And I was like, well, they're gonna figure out this is not me. They're gonna do their police job. Has the wrong man been in prison this whole time?

• 2:52Laci Mosley?

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• 3:22Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the comedy podcast. It's all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we hate them. But one thing's for sure is we'll probably laugh at them, but never at the victims. And congregation, if you are not new to the church, then I'm very what? Yes, excited, thrilled, elated to have a good friend of mine and also just a generational talent back on the show. You may know him from his own podcast, Tell Me Something Messy, which I had a blast on. He has a new live show coming out in November. If you are in Los Angeles, pull up. And if you're not, you have enough time to walk. And that's called Ho Church. And it will be at the Elysian, and we have a little scammer discount code for y'all that will be in the bio as well.

• 4:07Laci Mosley?

  He's a writer, a performer. You've probably heard him on Big Mouth as well. He's just so damn wonderful. And you definitely should be following him on Instagram if you want to get your laughs and you also want to get your life. Congregation, please welcome back Brandon Kyle Goodman.

• 4:21Speaker 06

  Ah, Lacey, I'm so excited to be here.

• 4:24Laci Mosley?

  I'm so excited to be here, too.

• 4:24Speaker 06

  First time on camera.

• 4:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 4:26Speaker 06

  My grease is all over your table.

• 4:28Laci Mosley?

  My grease is also...

• 4:29Speaker 06

  Because we're moisturized.

• 4:30Laci Mosley?

  Yes, we are, we are. And you know what? That's not a bad sign.

• 4:33Speaker 06

  That's not a bad sign. Moisturized, hydrated.

• 4:35Laci Mosley?

  I want the table to be nice and juicy.

• 4:37Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 4:38Laci Mosley?

  You do look very moisturized.

• 4:39Speaker 06

  Thank you, so do you.

• 4:41Laci Mosley?

  Man, I wish that, like, you know, I'm bi, and then when I do delve into the straight men, I just wish that they would just, you know, like, work out and groom like gay men.

• 4:50Speaker 06

  You know, a pedicure, manicure, they always have them rough feet, you know what I'm saying? To scratch you up. I had one, mm, I want, mm.

• 4:59Laci Mosley?

  But I'm like, the manosphere is scamming men, y'all. Get a little moisturizer.

• 5:04Speaker 06

  Yes, a little, you know, it's so affordable. A CVS, a Duane Reade, if that still exists in New York.

• 5:09Laci Mosley?

  And if you are just not securing your masculinity, I heard, there's a brand, right, that makes all the aggro man stuff. It's like, it's like eye, under-eye cream, and it's called War Paint.

• 5:18Speaker 06

  Yes, they're like those, those that exist, yeah. But also, if you're not securing masculinity, go to therapy and leave my girl alone.

• 5:25Laci Mosley?

  Do that, too. But moisturize also. You can do both at the same time.

• 5:28Speaker 06

  You're right, you're right.

• 5:29Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? Go out and get some of that. I don't know, what's a manly way to call a face moisturizer?

• 5:34Speaker 06

  Um, um, because not a mask, uh, a Brillo. Ooh, ooh, ooh.

• 5:43Laci Mosley?

  That sound like an exfoliator.

• 5:44Speaker 06

  It do, don't it?

• 5:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'll exfoliate, I use a Brillo.

• 5:46Speaker 06

  I use a Brillo.

• 5:47Laci Mosley?

  I use a Brillo.

• 5:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, that works.

• 5:50Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I like that.

• 5:50Speaker 06

  I think so. Or like Spikes. I use Spike. Exfoliation, we call Spikes.

• 5:54Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Spikes are like Hydro Man.

• 5:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 5:57Laci Mosley?

  That'd be the hyaluronic acid. Hydro Man.

• 6:00Speaker 06

  That's right, you better know your...

• 6:03Laci Mosley?

  I'll be here, I'm in it.

• 6:04Speaker 06

  You been at Skincare.

• 6:05Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna have to ask you, since the last time we chatted on here, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed, seen any? What's going on? You already, you perked up, so go ahead.

• 6:14Speaker 06

  Well, you know, I'm a newly single baddie.

• 6:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 6:18Speaker 06

  Because I got divorced over the summer.

• 6:20Laci Mosley?

  I've never heard someone say divorced like that.

• 6:23Laci Mosley?

  I got divorced, so whatever.

• 6:26Speaker 06

  Always there, so you gotta like divorce.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  A little conscious uncoupling type shit.

• 6:30Speaker 06

  Period, it was. A little poly, you know what I'm saying?

• 6:33Laci Mosley?

  Just like a little procedure or whatever, a little dissolutional asset.

• 6:37Speaker 06

  A little this, a little bit of that.

• 6:38Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm gonna spin that shit as a solo.

• 6:41Speaker 06

  You know, period, keep my money to myself now, you know? One income household now. Anyway, so I was on, you know, back on the grids, although I never got off the grids, but you know what I'm saying? Because we were poly, not because, you know, we were poly.

• 6:53Laci Mosley?

  No, it was ethical, it was ethical.

• 6:53Speaker 06

  Ethical, ethical, ethical.

• 6:54Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and not that ethical where they don't, they tell you, but they don't tell their spouse, because people like to do that now. I'm so tired of the poly scammers. Yeah, they be like, you know, I'm in an open relationship to try to justify their Instagram having other people on it.

• 7:05Speaker 06

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You gotta tell me and the spouse.

• 7:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 7:07Speaker 06

  That's crazy if you don't tell the spouse.

• 7:08Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we need to be together.

• 7:09Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 7:10Laci Mosley?

  You need to be wearing a fedora so I can say no.

• 7:12Speaker 06

  Not a fedora, but sometimes that is a poly style.

• 7:15Laci Mosley?

  I have been approached with two different couples with the man in the fedora.

• 7:19Speaker 06

  In 2026.

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  Mm.

• 7:21Speaker 06

  And the Kangol, have you seen the Kangols?

• 7:23Laci Mosley?

  Oh, gosh.

• 7:24Speaker 06

  That's what it's called, right, Kangol?

• 7:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, the Kangol might get me, just because maybe you can grill, like, you know what I mean?

• 7:30Speaker 06

  You're not wrong, if the sandal wear is correct.

• 7:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes, you've got that leather sandal in the Kangol, I don't know.

• 7:35Speaker 06

  That black leather sandal, you might, you might cook, might grill, and I like to eat.

• 7:39Laci Mosley?

  So go ahead, so you're on these apps.

• 7:41Speaker 06

  So I'm back on these apps, and so, you know, I had somebody over, and the scam was, which is a common scam, the catfishing. He did not look like his photo, and I didn't know what to do about it because it was so drastically different.

• 7:53Laci Mosley?

  Are we talking, they took it into the airbrush? Are we talking this photo is from 10 years ago?

• 7:57Speaker 06

  I feel like the photo was both airbrushed and from like five years ago. Because when they showed up, I almost, I opened the door and I almost was like...

• 8:05Laci Mosley?

  So, so you're on these grids, you're talking to this person, and they don't look like their photos. So you open the door and you're like, who is it?

• 8:11Speaker 06

  Hello? And then I realized, oh, you're the person that I just buzzed in clearly, and so we're supposed to have...

• 8:16Laci Mosley?

  You weren't like, I didn't wear a DoorDash?

• 8:17Speaker 06

  I didn't wear a DoorDash, I ain't wear no Seamless. And I thought about like not going forward with it, but then I felt bad about it, which is something that I'm working on, which is that like, if somebody lied about how they look, you have the right to say, hey, you lied about how you look.

• 8:32Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:33Speaker 06

  We don't need to do this. But I felt bad, and so I did the thing, and then I felt dirty after. And so what I did was I sagged, and I did a little incense to feel a little better.

• 8:43Laci Mosley?

  Twins this ugliness from your...

• 8:45Speaker 06

  I wouldn't have said it like that, but yeah, you know, because I don't want that on me.

• 8:49Laci Mosley?

  You said the spirit of ugliness upon me.

• 8:50Speaker 06

  I don't want that on me.

• 8:51Laci Mosley?

  I rebuke this.

• 8:52Speaker 06

  Hey, hey, hey, my girl, hey, shut the box, period.

• 8:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:55Speaker 06

  But I just feel like that's such an obvious scam, and I don't understand why people still do it. It's like, you're going to be seen. Somebody is going to see you, so why would you lie about your photos?

• 9:05Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I think for exactly what you reinforced, I'm so sorry to say, because, yeah, he lied on his photo, but he showed up like ta-da, and he still completed the mission.

• 9:16Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 9:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Maybe, maybe in that moment, it would have been corrected, but at the... The same time, I don't know, because if he's been trying it with this old photo for a while, he probably does get some misses, or some people were like, show me today's newspaper.

• 9:28Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 9:29Laci Mosley?

  And your face, or FaceTime me, and then you know he knows the jig is up, but you know.

• 9:33Speaker 06

  I need to start asking for the FaceTime. They do have this feature now where you, they tell you, I've seen all my greases. They tell you like.

• 9:39Laci Mosley?

  That's good, let me get some, I think I might be a little.

• 9:42Speaker 06

  They tell you when the photo was taken. It says like yesterday, last week, whatever, and I feel like I need to request more of those. But I also understand that people be in flux, right? Like what I looked like two months ago may not be what I look like today.

• 9:52Laci Mosley?

  And I enjoy being ugly at home.

• 9:54Speaker 06

  As a tourist, I love being ugly.

• 9:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, that's my peak.

• 9:57Speaker 06

  That's my peak, honestly.

• 9:59Laci Mosley?

  One of my home was, uh, John Elie, he's an actor. He was, uh, you know, I'll be scrolling TikTok for like, oh, I'm not gonna tell you. Uh, just.

• 10:08Laci Mosley?

  And he saw I was on and he invited me to his live. Now, if I was like, if I looked like this, I would've got on a live, but I looked like I was going through a mental health, like, struggle. So I was like, oh no, I can't do that. And I texted him, I was like, yo, you gotta give me a little warning, babe, so I can get in my drag, okay?

• 10:22Speaker 06

  At least a little 15 minutes, quick beat, yeah.

• 10:24Laci Mosley?

  Unfortunately, I haven't, I should've made, I should've had the reputation of like wearing a bonnet and no makeup, so that now if I did it, then people would be like, what's wrong with you?

• 10:31Speaker 06

  I'm jealous of the people who said, I'm gonna wear the bonnet from the jump, cuz they can show up, and then when they're in glam, they're like, oh, exactly, exactly. For the girls who started in glam, cuz we started as actors, so you start, you're always face together.

• 10:45Laci Mosley?

  And now that's what they expect, otherwise they're gonna call 5150 on you.

• 10:48Speaker 06

  They're like, what's going on with her?

• 10:50Laci Mosley?

  What's going on with her, something's wrong.

• 10:51Speaker 06

  And we don't wanna concern y'all, you know what I'm saying?

• 10:53Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 10:53Speaker 06

  Period.

• 10:54Laci Mosley?

  But, but, so I understand the scam, and I feel like it's something that a lot of people do on dating apps. It's like that scam of either it's a really old picture, or it's like really, really filtered.

• 11:03Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 11:04Laci Mosley?

  Or it's, what pisses me off, when I get on a dating app, if I see a picture of you and your homegirls or your homeboys, and it's a group photo, and that's your main photo, which one are you?

• 11:13Speaker 06

  I do hate that.

• 11:14Laci Mosley?

  Which one are you?

• 11:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, why are there multiple?

• 11:16Laci Mosley?

  And why are you doing that, huh?

• 11:18Speaker 06

  Why are there multiple of you?

• 11:19Laci Mosley?

  And if I look at the picture and you're not the, the one I deem the sexiest, before I scroll more, oh, now I'm real mad.

• 11:25Speaker 06

  It's disappointing.

• 11:26Laci Mosley?

  Cuz why you fishing with the sexy friend?

• 11:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:28Laci Mosley?

  I know you're not the sexy friend, you're the one next to like.

• 11:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:33Laci Mosley?

  They love doing so, if I see this, this over. I know you is the picture.

• 11:35Speaker 06

  You know, it's a rap, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's when I, it's like you look at that sexy photo, and then you swipe, and you're like, oh, that letdown.

• 11:42Laci Mosley?

  Cuz also you're telling me that you're not confident in yourself, cuz if I had seen a picture of you alone, that would make me respect you more, because I'm like, you're like, this is what I look like, period. But if you show me a picture with a bunch of people, and I don't know who you are, I'm like, what, what you trying to hide? You lying to me already, via JPEG.

• 11:56Speaker 06

  Ooh, not the JPEG, a lie, a, a lack of confidence.

• 12:00Laci Mosley?

  Don't lie to me in 1080p.

• 12:01Speaker 06

  Please, please make it 4K.

• 12:03Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 12:04Speaker 06

  See, I think that, I think a lack of confidence is what actually makes you ugly. But it's, to me, beauty's in the eye of the beholder, and if somebody walks in and they're not the traditional whatever that is, but they are holding themselves, that to me is very fucking sexy.

• 12:17Laci Mosley?

  If they're dressed well and they smell good, good haircut.

• 12:19Speaker 06

  Ooh, you gotta smell good.

• 12:20Laci Mosley?

  They say you're not ugly, you're just poor.

• 12:22Speaker 06

  Did you say poor? Okay.

• 12:24Laci Mosley?

  That's what they say.

• 12:27Laci Mosley?

  They say anybody can pull a drag together with a little coin.

• 12:29Speaker 06

  If you get a little coin, you could really pull it up together, that's true.

• 12:32Laci Mosley?

  Now, if you're a real innovator, you know where to find the things that aren't expensive and make them look expensive, because it's all, yes, it's all on you. I've seen girls with a full elf be, a full drugstore be, and when I tell you it ate down, better than the girls getting all the high-end products.

• 12:46Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 12:46Laci Mosley?

  It's also just, I think you're right, it's, it's just you.

• 12:48Speaker 06

  It's you, it's this work, once this feels good, you kinda show up in a room, and you, you bag, cuz you're confident.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I once dated a man who looked like a pit bull.

• 12:57Speaker 06

  Really? I know I look like a pit bull? What kind of pit bull was it? Short sound, long sound?

• 13:01Laci Mosley?

  Short sound.

• 13:02Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 13:03Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm, but he had that confidence, and he was very blunt.

• 13:06Speaker 06

  I thought you said, I almost said cock, but confidence. Blink, cut that, you too, please.

• 13:16Speaker 06

  Forgive me.

• 13:20Laci Mosley?

  I do wanna have some kind of preview of how many times Brandon says, cut that, on the show. Yes, give me a supercut of Brandon, just like, cut that, actually, no, I take it back, the live edit, I love it.

• 13:31Speaker 06

  Brand safe, friend safe.

• 13:33Laci Mosley?

  Yes, gotta be, always, also, I'm gonna protect the big, honey, in this economy?

• 13:38Speaker 06

  In this economy, girl.

• 13:39Laci Mosley?

  No, but you're right, that is such a scam, and I wish that people would be a bit more honest on their dating profiles.

• 13:46Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 13:46Laci Mosley?

  I also find like under profession can get a little scammy.

• 13:50Speaker 06

  Under profession?

• 13:51Laci Mosley?

  Like where you know that it'll say like job title or something.

• 13:53Speaker 06

  Oh, yes, yes, yes.

• 13:54Laci Mosley?

  Depending on the app.

• 13:55Speaker 06

  Like creative director.

• 13:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's so broad, what does that mean?

• 14:01Laci Mosley?

  So you know, we're definitely making a supercut.

• 14:03Speaker 06

  Creative director, it's a real job, but yes.

• 14:04Laci Mosley?

  Yes, no, it, like, under the profession thing, it'll be so broad sometimes, yeah, you know, to be like facilitator or operations management, what is, what?

• 14:13Speaker 06

  What do you, what?

• 14:13Laci Mosley?

  What ma, what operations are you managing?

• 14:15Speaker 06

  Facilitations.

• 14:16Laci Mosley?

  Right, where?

• 14:18Speaker 06

  And how?

• 14:19Laci Mosley?

  Coordinator, what are you coordinating?

• 14:21Speaker 06

  What's the credit score attached to it? That's what I really wanna know.

• 14:24Laci Mosley?

  I just wanna know, like, is it, is it stable?

• 14:27Speaker 06

  Is it sta, is it secure, or am I gonna be your security?

• 14:30Laci Mosley?

  Right, cuz a lot of things could be coordinating, you know, like you could be coordinating a line at a pop-up. The pop-up not gonna be there every day.

• 14:38Speaker 06

  You're not wrong, you're really, you're really on to something, yeah. I need to know what you're coordinating. Coordinator is not enough, coordinator of what, where, when, and how?

• 14:48Laci Mosley?

  And who?

• 14:48Speaker 06

  And who, yeah, yeah, and why, a little bit, cuz why are you there?

• 14:51Laci Mosley?

  I need a fifth grade paragraph.

• 14:53Speaker 06

  And not written by, have you seen that they're now written by the AIs?

• 14:57Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 14:58Speaker 06

  People are writing their profiles with the AIs, and that's really, and they're not even taking them M dashes out.

• 15:03Laci Mosley?

  You, you definitely need to look, unless you are a real writer, cuz a lot of real writers do use M dashes. If you're just a regular person, and you got hella M dashes, now, we know. Also, if you can't even take the time to spend time on finding love, or falling in a relationship before we even get together.

• 15:21Speaker 06

  You faking it before we're together.

• 15:23Laci Mosley?

  We haven't even talked, and you lazy as hell.

• 15:25Speaker 06

  Come on, I'm already doing the heavy lifting.

• 15:27Laci Mosley?

  I know you ain't gonna pick me up from the airport, I can't even get you to pick up a goddamn pencil and write a motherfucker's history about who you are.

• 15:34Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying.

• 15:34Laci Mosley?

  You can't pick up your brain, how you gonna lift me up? How we starting with lies?

• 15:39Speaker 06

  Ugh.

• 15:40Laci Mosley?

  You lying to me from jump.

• 15:41Speaker 06

  From jump, from photos to the pa, to the paragraphs, we're already lying?

• 15:45Laci Mosley?

  But also, maybe that's good, cuz you know what you're getting into, you know what I mean? Like, they're like, look, I'm gonna lie to you.

• 15:51Speaker 06

  I see you, I see you, yeah, yeah.

• 15:53Laci Mosley?

  I'm dishonest.

• 15:54Speaker 06

  I'm dishonest, so it's up to, it's my fault if I, if I get tricked.

• 15:58Laci Mosley?

  Exactly.

• 15:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right.

• 16:00Laci Mosley?

  Now, you know, but if they sexy, and they wanna, you know, have a sissy time, or you know, you just know you hooking up with a liar.

• 16:05Speaker 06

  And that's okay, if you, if you're, if you're sexy and we're just having a sexy time, I think it's okay if you're a liar, do you know what I'm saying? Hmm. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I took the mic.

• 16:17Speaker 06

  I heard it, it was, it made sense in my head, but when it came out, I ain't really like it like that.

• 16:25Speaker 06

  I ain't really like it after I said it.

• 16:27Laci Mosley?

  You know what, it made sense to me too.

• 16:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 16:29Laci Mosley?

  You saw my initial agreement, I was like, yeah, wait.

• 16:34Speaker 06

  No, wait, I don't like that.

• 16:35Laci Mosley?

  And when it comes to scams, more people should do that.

• 16:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 16:38Laci Mosley?

  Sometimes things are too good to be true, but we're desperate and we need some, and I, I'm trying to find a better word for desperation, cuz that's such a negative connotation, but like a word that says like.

• 16:46Speaker 06

  Urgent?

• 16:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, maybe the, the, the need is urgent, our needs have become urgent.

• 16:50Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 16:51Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and so when our needs become urgent, you know, we overlook things that are definitely flex.

• 16:56Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 16:56Laci Mosley?

  So, both how we were just like, well, if they're sexy.

• 16:58Speaker 06

  If they're sexy, maybe, maybe the, hmm.

• 17:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 17:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, you right, you right, you right, you right, you right, yeah.

• 17:09Laci Mosley?

  On that note.

• 17:10Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 17:11Laci Mosley?

  Two non-lyers are here to tell you a true ruthless story in what I call Historic Hoodwinks. This is where I will regale Brandon with a famous con, group of criminals, caper, we don't know, maybe we love them, maybe we hate them, we'll see along the way. Brandon, you.

• 17:24Speaker 06

  Ooh.

• 17:26Laci Mosley?

  There's a witch in the room.

• 17:27Speaker 06

  Oh, goodness.

• 17:28Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 17:29Speaker 06

  The spirit caught us.

• 17:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 17:31Speaker 06

  Actually, that was just a plug, the spirit wanted to plug, hey, have you gotten scammed out yet?

• 17:34Laci Mosley?

  Have you purchased scam goddess yet? The spirit's world is telling you to, okay?

• 17:38Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 17:39Laci Mosley?

  So, today, in Historic Hoodwinks, we're gonna be talking about a repeat scam photographer, named Chanise Coyne, not pictured ironically. So, she built one family out of four points.

• 17:55Speaker 06

  Wait, I'm sorry.

• 17:55Laci Mosley?

  That's her, Chanise.

• 17:56Speaker 06

  That's how she spells Coyne?

• 17:58Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 17:59Speaker 06

  C-O-Y-N-E, and that's how she spells Chanise? She's already scamming.

• 18:03Laci Mosley?

  And now I'm wondering, is Chanise black?

• 18:05Speaker 06

  That's, it, it's not giving, but like, I feel like we spell it with an S, a C-H, she's from Connecticut.

• 18:12Laci Mosley?

  You, you think?

• 18:13Speaker 06

  I don't.

• 18:14Laci Mosley?

  You think it's like Shawnees?

• 18:16Speaker 06

  Shawnee, Chinese.

• 18:17Laci Mosley?

  No, it's still us, Shawnee's still us.

• 18:18Speaker 06

  It's still us, you're right.

• 18:19Laci Mosley?

  Chanise?

• 18:20Speaker 06

  Chanise?

• 18:20Laci Mosley?

  That's definitely still us.

• 18:21Speaker 06

  You're right.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  That's still us.

• 18:22Speaker 06

  It might be, it might be us.

• 18:24Laci Mosley?

  Shawnee Swa?

• 18:25Speaker 06

  Shawnee Se.

• 18:26Laci Mosley?

  Shawnee Se.

• 18:26Speaker 06

  Shawnee Se.

• 18:28Laci Mosley?

  Chanise.

• 18:29Speaker 06

  Chanise.

• 18:29Laci Mosley?

  Chanise.

• 18:30Speaker 06

  Chanise.

• 18:31Laci Mosley?

  Chanise.

• 18:31Speaker 06

  Chanise coin.

• 18:32Laci Mosley?

  Chanise coin.

• 18:33Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 18:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. They were like, what's close to Chanise coin?

• 18:37Speaker 06

  Chanise coin. Yeah.

• 18:40Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:41Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay.

• 18:41Laci Mosley?

  So Chanise coin bilked one family out of 4.6 million dollars. She, one family.

• 18:49Speaker 06

  She built a family 1.4.

• 18:50Laci Mosley?

  Bilked.

• 18:52Speaker 06

  Bilked?

• 18:52Laci Mosley?

  She bilked.

• 18:53Speaker 06

  What's bilked?

• 18:54Laci Mosley?

  Ooh, that's one of my tasty words for robbed.

• 18:57Speaker 06

  Damn, oh, okay, okay.

• 18:59Laci Mosley?

  Scam, bamboozled.

• 19:00Speaker 06

  You be reading, okay, cool, cool, cool. You wrote a book, okay.

• 19:01Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 19:02Speaker 06

  Skim goddess, you have it.

• 19:03Laci Mosley?

  Skim goddess, yes. I'm not bilking it with this book.

• 19:06Speaker 06

  Okay, okay.

• 19:07Laci Mosley?

  So she bilked one family out of 4.6 million dollars she said would go towards furthering their young daughter's modeling career, but instead went entirely toward her own fun times. Now, if you got 4.6 million dollars.

• 19:20Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying. First of all, I'm kind of mad at the family. I Chanise coin, uh, was doing very well, in my opinion.

• 19:27Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and if, if 4.6 million couldn't make your baby a model, nothing can.

• 19:31Speaker 06

  Nothing can make your baby a model.

• 19:33Laci Mosley?

  You could have set up your own runways. You could have got, you could have bought out something at Fashion Week and just had your daughter wear all the clothes.

• 19:39Speaker 06

  Absolutely, for 4.6?

• 19:42Laci Mosley?

  4.6? You could have hired a whole social media team. This is nepo money at this point.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  We have the social media team, we have the glam team. If there's any procedures that need to happen, we got that, we got the retreats, you can walk.

• 19:52Laci Mosley?

  You could have bought your way into a fashion show.

• 19:55Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 19:55Laci Mosley?

  Girl, the, the fashion girlies are, are, are poor, just like everybody else.

• 20:00Speaker 06

  Honey, they, they, yeah, they pretend like they're not poor, but they ain't got no money here.

• 20:03Laci Mosley?

  It's not giving, the pop-ups aren't giving like they used to.

• 20:06Speaker 06

  They're not, oh, okay, 4.6.

• 20:08Laci Mosley?

  4.6?

• 20:08Speaker 06

  She should be a star right now.

• 20:10Laci Mosley?

  Right, you should have walked all right up to Armani and been like, I'll give y'all 500K, let my daughter just pop up in here.

• 20:18Laci Mosley?

  They would have took it.

• 20:18Speaker 06

  I just saw you some other.

• 20:21Speaker 06

  Let my daughter pop up in here, period.

• 20:23Laci Mosley?

  Let her slide, let her slide, okay.

• 20:25Speaker 06

  Let her walk there.

• 20:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, we bought our own Armani, it's in the car, you didn't even need to do no fitting, yeah, yeah, yeah, throw in there.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, oh, you got her own tailor at that point, too.

• 20:34Laci Mosley?

  Period.

• 20:34Speaker 06

  Okay, Chanise.

• 20:35Laci Mosley?

  So Chanise, let's see, let's see.

• 20:37Speaker 06

  Let's see what she does, okay, yeah, I'm excited.

• 20:39Laci Mosley?

  And now she's Chanise, we have decided, I'm sorry, the black delegation has decided Chanise. Scouts.

• 20:47Laci Mosley?

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• 21:28Laci Mosley?

  She was starting to get worried and get scared for her safety. Stories of survival. The only difference between me and her, frankly, was a little bit of luck, because by all rights, I should be dead. Cases that everyone else called closed.

• 21:46Laci Mosley?

  They can't convict her, right? Like, she has so much evidence.

• 21:50Laci Mosley?

  These stories all start in the same place, with a woman failed by a system that didn't believe her, that didn't protect her, that didn't see her. No child should ever experience that, and we were babies.

• 22:02Speaker 03

  She did all of these brave things and came out and spoke about it, and he got a year. You never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform.

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  Listen to What Happened to Her on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 22:21Laci Mosley?

  Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. Oh my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast, it's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwanu, we're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not gonna get anywhere fighting. That is wild, I learned that about you today. Now in my 30s, being the founder of new shoes, good taste is my business, and I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're gonna talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older. And a little wiser.

• 23:06Laci Mosley?

  We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to, to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts, I don't really care. They shared the same name, the same home, the same DNA, the same blood. But behind closed doors, blood isn't always thicker than water, and family loyalty can turn deadly. From shocking betrayals to carefully planned murders,

• 23:48Laci Mosley?

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• 24:33Speaker 06

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• 24:58Speaker 06

  We'll hypnotize him to strengthen that memory. So he went into a, a good trance. I really didn't believe any of it was real, and I, I was like, well, they're, they're gonna figure out this is not me, they're, they're gonna do their police job. Listen to Examine: The Backfire Effect on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 25:27Laci Mosley?

  So, 46-year-old Chanise is a photographer in New Boston, Michigan. You already from a scam in name town. New Boston?

• 25:35Speaker 06

  New Boston, Michigan? That whole thing is a scam, why is it New Boston?

• 25:39Laci Mosley?

  We got Old Boston.

• 25:40Speaker 06

  Isn't Boston in Massachusetts?

• 25:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we go, yeah. There's some people who's probably disgruntled with Old Boston, they're like, we're making a new Boston.

• 25:47Speaker 06

  New Boston. In Michigan.

• 25:49Laci Mosley?

  In Michigan.

• 25:49Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, hey, shout out to Michigan.

• 25:52Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Um, I hope that has confused some, uh, Republican donations in this midterm.

• 25:58Speaker 06

  Wow, doing my part.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  They're having a hard time getting, like, uh, good interns on the Republican side, because they, all their candidates are just like MAGA sycophants, so they're not really good at their jobs. So they've been, like, buying ads in the wrong state, and, yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 06

  I like this, I like this.

• 26:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so New Boston, y'all.

• 26:14Speaker 06

  Hey.

• 26:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, hit that one up.

• 26:18Laci Mosley?

  So for two years, she conned one young mom and dad in the metro. Let me read that again, because I sounded just like the press corps secretary, you can leave that in.

• 26:28Speaker 06

  She fired already.

• 26:30Laci Mosley?

  Baby, she had one day.

• 26:31Speaker 06

  That first day was delicious to me.

• 26:34Laci Mosley?

  Grand opening, grand closing.

• 26:35Speaker 06

  Honey, it was delicious to watch, I couldn't believe.

• 26:36Laci Mosley?

  How you gonna get fired on your day off?

• 26:37Speaker 06

  On your day off, babe.

• 26:39Laci Mosley?

  Baby, she was a scam. She, I wish we could cover, she not a lawyer, she got her JD at Pepperdine and then got her MRS in the same week, and then went to China, and then lied on the Chinese. The Chinese corporation that she worked for, the law firm, they came out and said, baby, she was nothing but a paid intern. They said, we asked her what the Americans do sometimes. They said she wasn't handling no law, she wasn't doing no corporate law. She, she really was, and I'm, I'm, I'm not.

• 27:04Speaker 06

  Do we respect that? Because, like, she scammed her way.

• 27:06Laci Mosley?

  She did scam her way, she was blonde and white, she's not a great speaker, so.

• 27:10Speaker 06

  She was terrible.

• 27:11Laci Mosley?

  So the, the, the, the bleach was doing. Whoever her colorist is.

• 27:15Speaker 06

  Really fucked her up.

• 27:16Laci Mosley?

  She needs to, no, I think she needed to tip more, because that's the only reason that she been out here in these streets.

• 27:20Speaker 06

  The colorist was, that was protesting, that colorist was doing.

• 27:23Laci Mosley?

  See.

• 27:23Speaker 06

  You know what I'm saying?

• 27:24Laci Mosley?

  For MAGA, no, for MAGA, that's a good color job, they like that. They want a, they want a dark, nasty, dark brow with a blonde hair, they want it to be block shaped, okay?

• 27:32Speaker 06

  Did you notice that her blush was really, like, also block shaped?

• 27:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes, they're like, put everything on my face in a square.

• 27:39Speaker 06

  I ain't like it.

• 27:39Laci Mosley?

  Okay?

• 27:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 27:40Laci Mosley?

  My eyeliner, heavy as hell. Make sure underneath is dark, I wanna look like I'm about to play football in 100-degree heat. You know, I want blockers, get that shit on, yes. Tan me, I wanna look like a light-skinned black woman, even though I hate black people, okay? You know, they got, they got a whole formula, she looked the part.

• 28:02Laci Mosley?

  As a scammer, I feel bad that her grift is over because, but I don't feel bad for her, because you joined Trump, you always been caping for Trump, so this is exactly what you deserve, this is a show to fraud, I love, baby.

• 28:11Speaker 06

  You deserve to be shamed and embarrassed like this. Yeah, yeah, we like that, we like that, we like that. Embarrass her down, yeah, yeah.

• 28:16Laci Mosley?

  But she fucked up her whole grift, because now she can't even go grift like she used to on the news and be like, I'm a.

• 28:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, because now we've all seen her.

• 28:22Laci Mosley?

  As a liar, as a, um.

• 28:24Speaker 06

  Wait, she was, she was.

• 28:25Laci Mosley?

  As a liar.

• 28:26Speaker 06

  She was doing them correspondence work?

• 28:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I'm a liar, yeah, she was a liar.

• 28:30Speaker 06

  But she called Mr. Trump her husband, or whatever it was, Mr. Trump, my husband, whatever.

• 28:33Laci Mosley?

  She might have had to do some wifely do this. Allegedly.

• 28:37Speaker 06

  Allegedly.

• 28:38Laci Mosley?

  But anyways, child, so, you know, this is what we got on there. Oh my goodness, y'all, because I was sounding like her. Yes, okay, so let me read like I have literacy, because I do, George Bush didn't leave me behind, I was on that bus.

• 28:51Speaker 06

  You were taken.

• 28:51Laci Mosley?

  I said, get up, J-Dub.

• 28:52Speaker 06

  Hey, we got this, together.

• 28:54Laci Mosley?

  Drive the bus, we leaving the rest of y'all behind. Sorry, I made it.

• 28:58Speaker 06

  I'm on top of that bus, baby.

• 28:59Laci Mosley?

  Period.

• 28:59Speaker 06

  Period.

• 29:00Laci Mosley?

  So for two years, she conned one young mom and dad in the metro Detroit area into thinking she was a child modeling agent. Uh, heads up for y'all, if you're trying to be an influencer or a performer in any way, you should never have to pay for representation, point blank, period. They make money, when you make money, they take a percentage, it should not be more than 10.

• 29:18Speaker 06

  Teach, teach, teach.

• 29:20Laci Mosley?

  So she said she was well-connected, this is Chanise, she said she's well-connected in the fashion industry. Chanise claimed that the money they gave her would be used to pay advance fees for their daughter to participate in modeling events across the country for companies like Nike and American Girl. Now, Nike and American Girl pay their models, modeling is a job.

• 29:40Speaker 06

  1,000%.

• 29:41Laci Mosley?

  It's one that's sought after, which is why. People get scammed because the need and their desperation is up because they want this lofty dream. But it was a job.

• 29:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 29:48Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Have you ever modeled?

• 29:50Speaker 06

  Yeah. No.

• 29:53Laci Mosley?

  You're so tall and handsome.

• 29:55Speaker 06

  Thank you. No. Have you?

• 29:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but like, not for like runways, other than like college.

• 30:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, the college, the college modeling.

• 30:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, the rest is like print.

• 30:07Speaker 06

  I did in eighth grade, I'll say that. In eighth grade, I'd modeled.

• 30:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 30:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, because you know, the school functions, like raising the money for the.

• 30:14Laci Mosley?

  You raised it with your face?

• 30:15Speaker 06

  Period, honey.

• 30:18Speaker 06

  All the way.

• 30:20Laci Mosley?

  Like, what kind of fundraising? We, we was giving incentives and you was like, you can hang out with me.

• 30:24Speaker 06

  No, it was like, you know, like when they're like raising money, so they like do like these like festivals and things. So one of the things was like, oh, a fashion show. And so we were, you know, the kids.

• 30:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes, yes.

• 30:33Speaker 06

  Walked down the little runway.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  I love those. I did like print and stuff.

• 30:36Speaker 06

  Oh, so you did it.

• 30:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 30:37Speaker 06

  You said mine was real.

• 30:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, may, may, may, may, not a lot, not a lot. Maybe like one or two. But um, my agents at one point were like, this was, I lived in New York, they're like, take a picture of your hands. And I was like, okay, no. They, they immediately responded and said, never mind, you couldn't be a hand model.

• 30:52Speaker 06

  Why?

• 30:52Laci Mosley?

  My knuckles are too big.

• 30:54Speaker 06

  Your knuckles are too big?

• 30:55Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, like hand models have like almost like straight fingers with like no knuckle.

• 30:59Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 31:00Laci Mosley?

  I got, I got like Babesha the Builder hands.

• 31:04Speaker 06

  Babesha?

• 31:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, Babesha, Babiana the Builder. I do be making things. I do.

• 31:08Speaker 06

  Your hands are gorgeous though, and soft.

• 31:10Laci Mosley?

  Oh, thank you.

• 31:11Speaker 06

  When I see a soft hand, that's money.

• 31:12Laci Mosley?

  The knuckle is big. When they said it, I was like, oh.

• 31:16Speaker 06

  You know, ma.

• 31:17Laci Mosley?

  I'm, I'm a very.

• 31:17Speaker 06

  My knuckles are big too.

• 31:19Laci Mosley?

  See, and please do not unlock a new insecurity because Gen Z and Gen X has done that too much to us. I didn't know what the fuck a hip dip was. And they're talking about, oh, my hip dips. I said, that's a new insecurity. You can't be making up new things.

• 31:30Speaker 06

  What's the hip dip like?

• 31:31Laci Mosley?

  We have enough.

• 31:31Speaker 06

  We have enough.

• 31:32Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 31:33Speaker 06

  I'm in that mirror all day.

• 31:34Laci Mosley?

  Don't look at your knuckles, but if you got little skinties, then good for you.

• 31:38Speaker 06

  My knuckles are fat in the middle.

• 31:40Laci Mosley?

  Also like fat knuckles, okay, these are good joints.

• 31:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good. I ain't mad about that. That's how I grab my food, honey. What? Please.

• 31:47Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we're taking it back, okay?

• 31:49Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 31:49Laci Mosley?

  Thick knuckles.

• 31:50Speaker 06

  Thick knuckles, bitch. Sorry.

• 31:53Laci Mosley?

  The bitch really adds something to it. It really does. So, um, she says this goes to these companies. We know it's not. The fees were supposed to cover expenses like hotel, airfare, clothing, and seamstresses. Typically things that models need.

• 32:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay.

• 32:08Laci Mosley?

  So, but there were no events and their daughter was never placed in any modeling shows.

• 32:12Speaker 06

  But for two years? I feel like after month one, don't you go, that, that family has so much money, they didn't notice.

• 32:18Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. And it's also giving that you don't really support your daughter. It feels like you're just throwing money at your daughter because if it's been two years and she ain't getting no motion, like, why aren't y'all getting involved? Why aren't y'all getting your money back or contacting this lady or finding other? Or do you think your daughter ugly?

• 32:32Speaker 06

  Damn. So they think they're blaming her daughter. They're like, you know what? The daughter.

• 32:37Laci Mosley?

  Cause it feels like they must be blaming the daughter. They're not blaming Chanise immediately.

• 32:41Speaker 06

  For two years?

• 32:42Laci Mosley?

  Chanise.

• 32:42Speaker 06

  And they've dished out all that millions of dollars. They're like, our daughter needs millions of dollars to get her to model.

• 32:47Laci Mosley?

  Which is like, if she needs millions of dollars.

• 32:49Speaker 06

  She's probably not to model.

• 32:51Laci Mosley?

  She probably not to model.

• 32:51Speaker 06

  Probably not to model. Which is okay.

• 32:54Laci Mosley?

  It's okay, everybody.

• 32:55Speaker 06

  Other jobs, if I can, if we were all models.

• 32:57Laci Mosley?

  Then who would do electricity?

• 33:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 33:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't all be the models.

• 33:04Laci Mosley?

  If, yes, if, if we're all models, who's a CNA?

• 33:08Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 33:08Laci Mosley?

  Who does billing and coding?

• 33:09Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 33:10Laci Mosley?

  You know?

• 33:10Speaker 06

  Who's doing HR?

• 33:12Laci Mosley?

  Who's doing HR?

• 33:12Speaker 06

  Who's doing the accounting? Who's paying the bills?

• 33:14Laci Mosley?

  Spiky haircut and you need to be doing the chalk.

• 33:16Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 33:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 33:17Speaker 06

  Who's doing the hair and the makeup for the models that everyone's modeling?

• 33:20Laci Mosley?

  You might, you, you might like modeling, maybe you need to be around the industry.

• 33:23Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 33:24Laci Mosley?

  You can make a good coin doing that.

• 33:25Speaker 06

  Who's making the clothes if we're all modeling?

• 33:27Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:28Speaker 06

  Cause the models ain't making the clothes.

• 33:29Laci Mosley?

  So targeting one family, Chanise created fake text messages, emails, and invoices to keep the charade going for two whole years.

• 33:36Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 33:36Laci Mosley?

  She pretended to be a talent agent named Vivian and a Nike employee named Isaiah, who supposedly were, that were helping Chanise set up the events. So she also did fake email correspondences. So she's playing Chanise and she's responding to her own emails as Vivian, the Nike employee Isaiah.

• 33:55Speaker 06

  Wow. Now Isaiah's black.

• 33:58Laci Mosley?

  I guess.

• 33:59Speaker 06

  I mean, like.

• 33:59Laci Mosley?

  I guess they figured Nike.

• 34:00Speaker 06

  Yeah. I know it's fake, but like.

• 34:02Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so, so remember, Chanise is pretended to be Vivian.

• 34:06Speaker 06

  Vivian.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Who's a talent agent. And she's also pretending to be Isaiah.

• 34:09Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 34:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, not losing Isaiah. He, he was never real, so he could not be lost.

• 34:13Speaker 06

  He couldn't be found, yeah.

• 34:15Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Uh, so supposedly he was helping set up the events. So the, the smart thing that I think that Chanise did here is that she said that she was an agent. She didn't say that she, in agents, their only job is to get you an opportunity.

• 34:26Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, yes, yes, but they can't book it for you.

• 34:29Laci Mosley?

  And sometimes they can make some phone calls and get you, you know, the opportunity. Or maybe even grease the wheels after you've performed, but other than that, they can't, you know, just give you work.

• 34:37Speaker 06

  Right.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  So that's a kind of a good.

• 34:39Speaker 06

  It's a good con.

• 34:40Laci Mosley?

  It's a good con.

• 34:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 34:41Laci Mosley?

  But if, but the money thing is what should have been the flash. So splashing out, Chanise got more than 4.6 million dollars from this one family, right? A lot of that was spent on gambling. Now Chanise.

• 34:51Speaker 06

  Come on, girl. What?

• 34:53Laci Mosley?

  I know you ain't over here on couchy.

• 34:56Speaker 06

  That's crazy, on the casinos?

• 34:58Laci Mosley?

  I hope at the casino and not on one of them Drake apps.

• 35:01Speaker 06

  Please not the Drake app.

• 35:02Laci Mosley?

  Please not the Drake apps.

• 35:03Speaker 06

  At least.

• 35:03Laci Mosley?

  Chanise, please. Oh, Lord, Lord, it's the Drake apps.

• 35:06Speaker 06

  We gambling? Oh, it's the Drake apps?

• 35:07Laci Mosley?

  Ah, she had multiple money laundering transactions involving online sportsbook FanDuel. Now, now listen, the US Attorney's Office, they didn't say how much she spent on gambling, but if she was laundering on FanDuel.

• 35:27Laci Mosley?

  We've said nothing.

• 35:32Speaker 06

  Allegedly.

• 35:33Laci Mosley?

  Allegedly. Court records show Coin spent more than $200,000 on Taylor Swift concert tickets.

• 35:41Speaker 06

  What the fuck?

• 35:42Laci Mosley?

  In Florida.

• 35:44Speaker 06

  Jail. Immediately.

• 35:46Laci Mosley?

  Chanise is not us. I know that I.

• 35:49Speaker 06

  Taylor Swift, people love her.

• 35:53Laci Mosley?

  Leave mine. You can cut whatever Brandon said. Good Lord. I go have a damn breakfast.

• 36:02Speaker 06

  Sam, cut that.

• 36:04Speaker 06

  No, you give it.

• 36:08Laci Mosley?

  So she's spent two, more than $200,000 on Taylor Swift concert tickets in Florida, so it's definitely like Shani Swar or something.

• 36:15Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:16Laci Mosley?

  She's not us. Now, there are, there are a lot of black Swifties. I just don't know if there's $200,000 black Swifties. And that's not to say that we don't have the income. I just think that we.

• 36:25Speaker 06

  We're not spending it on.

• 36:25Laci Mosley?

  We get to a, it gets to a point.

• 36:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we might drop a, a couple thousand on the coin.

• 36:31Speaker 06

  You think we got Taylor Swift money? It's not like that.

• 36:32Laci Mosley?

  But, but house money?

• 36:33Speaker 06

  No, no, no.

• 36:34Laci Mosley?

  House money for Miss Billionaire is a lot.

• 36:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, we're not giving that all to that white lady.

• 36:37Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, she's good. She got plenty of money.

• 36:40Speaker 06

  Plenty of it.

• 36:41Laci Mosley?

  When she drop an album, she drop like 30 remixes, 40 vinyls in different colors.

• 36:45Speaker 06

  I have some, Amber gonna buy that. Amber family got them trucks still, right? The Swift trucks? Yeah, we're not giving her any more money like that. $200,000. And in Florida, what you, the tickets to me would be cheaper in Florida too. That means you're buying.

• 36:56Laci Mosley?

  Florida. That's probably where a lot of her good fan base is.

• 37:01Speaker 06

  Hmm, no, I would be proud of that one, but.

• 37:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you know, the, the flip-flop girlies are coming out and they're gonna have on their best fashion.

• 37:08Speaker 06

  Girlies is crazy.

• 37:10Laci Mosley?

  Cause they're in Florida.

• 37:11Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, of course, I understood.

• 37:16Laci Mosley?

  So she also bought tickets to the Stanley Cup Finals. Yeah, she's definitely.

• 37:20Speaker 06

  That's a white lady.

• 37:21Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 37:22Speaker 06

  That's a white lady. The Stanley Cup Finals and Taylor Swift, that's a white lady.

• 37:26Laci Mosley?

  That's a white lady.

• 37:27Speaker 06

  I told you, it's a shot.

• 37:28Laci Mosley?

  The last time I was at a hockey game, i- it was low-key a scam. I went and I noticed, it was in February, and I noticed that like the section, there was like lots of beautiful black actors and stuff. And I was like, oh, what's up? Oh, my God, my dude. Like running into all these people that I know. And I was like, what's up? Like, it was very cute. And then the, there was a black woman riding the Zamboni at, you know, the little.

• 37:47Speaker 06

  What's a Zamboni?

• 37:47Laci Mosley?

  The Zamboni is the thing that makes the ice smooth again. So after they've like skated all, it's, you know, scratched all up.

• 37:52Speaker 06

  It sounded like that rice company. Remember?

• 37:54Laci Mosley?

  Zadda Rants?

• 37:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, San Francisco treat.

• 37:56Laci Mosley?

  San Francisco treat, yes. Zadda Rants.

• 37:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, there it is. Okay, Zamboni though, okay, the ice.

• 38:01Laci Mosley?

  Zamboni and Rants.

• 38:02Speaker 06

  Built and Zamboni. Do a little book, have a look at me. I'm learning.

• 38:05Laci Mosley?

  So the lady riding the Zamboni was a black actress. And I was like, oh, she's so cute. Like, so cute. And then I slowly started to put things together because the band was like. Like, you know, they have like a band, like, that's like, full band. And they have some even orchestral pieces. And they were playing "They Not Like Us." It's like, and I'm like, oh, they bumping it here tonight? Okay, L.A. Kings?

• 38:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 38:25Laci Mosley?

  And then as I'm bumping to Kendrick, I start looking around. And I see a little ticker and it says, "The L.A. Kings Celebrate Black History Month." And I was like...

• 38:33Speaker 06

  Oh, no. God damn.

• 38:35Laci Mosley?

  Oh. And that's why I was at the hockey game.

• 38:38Speaker 06

  That's why you were there, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 38:39Laci Mosley?

  So Shuny Say ain't one of us.

• 38:40Speaker 06

  It was a scam, no, no.

• 38:41Laci Mosley?

  No, I got scammed there. And I was like, look, favorite blacks.

• 38:44Speaker 06

  Where?

• 38:44Laci Mosley?

  Way blacks. Hi, I'm black. Hi, I am black. I am black.

• 38:49Speaker 06

  I ain't gonna do both hands, that's crazy.

• 38:51Laci Mosley?

  Oh, wow, wow.

• 38:53Speaker 06

  Cut that.

• 38:55Laci Mosley?

  We're not cutting that one, Joelle. We need an episode, goddamn Brandon. Let me spit. So, yes, she's getting the Stanley Cup Finals tickets. And the Finals tickets are expensive as hell.

• 39:07Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:08Laci Mosley?

  People love hockey down, okay? And then she also got, like, Caribbean cruises.

• 39:13Speaker 06

  I mean, good for her, but crazy. She was a Caribbean queen. I hate a cruise. Have you been on a cruise?

• 39:17Laci Mosley?

  I've said this before on this podcast, so if you listen, you know, I have a cruise family. Yes, and so I've been on enough that we had, like, the platinum or whatever, the most statuses on different lines.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  So you like being on that water? You like being on that ocean like that?

• 39:31Laci Mosley?

  No, remember I said family?

• 39:32Speaker 06

  The family, got it, got it, got it. So, okay.

• 39:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I, at the time, you know, I was an unemployed roommate.

• 39:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 39:38Laci Mosley?

  I had to go. And then, and then when I wasn't, and I was in college, I would still go. And then it got to a point where I was like, hey, y'all, I cannot get on a boat with a bunch of Trump supporters and eat Guy Fieri burgers until my ankles swell.

• 39:47Speaker 06

  For like eight days.

• 39:48Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I've said that before. Like, you're trapped on that boat with them.

• 39:51Speaker 06

  You're trapped.

• 39:51Laci Mosley?

  Trapped.

• 39:52Speaker 06

  Trapped in that cafeteria on the top floor.

• 39:54Laci Mosley?

  This book is never falling during the episode, Brandon. What are you doing?

• 39:57Speaker 06

  I'm here to plug it. Scam Goddess is available now, wherever you listen, also on Audible.

• 40:05Speaker 06

  So get it, okay?

• 40:07Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'll let you have it for that shameless blog, thank you. Yeah, but it's, it's, it's just, ugh. I do like it for the fact that you can hit a bunch of islands at once. I've been to every Caribbean island. You can hit a bunch.

• 40:19Speaker 06

  But you can't really see them because they, they keep you in the port.

• 40:22Laci Mosley?

  No, you go outside, you can go. You just have to manage your time well, because maybe they will leave you.

• 40:27Speaker 06

  They will leave you, and I don't want to get left.

• 40:29Laci Mosley?

  And I have, I had to sprint for the boat once.

• 40:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's terrifying. You were good. Yeah, I went one time, and I'll never go back again. It was a gay cruise, and I thought it was gonna be like, the gay cruise. But this gay cruise, the median age was 67. So there was like six of us.

• 40:44Laci Mosley?

  You were the bait.

• 40:45Speaker 06

  We were the bait, honey. There were six of us who were, you know, fresh and young, and everybody else was 60, at least 67 and higher, older. And it was eight days with them.

• 40:55Laci Mosley?

  You're supposed to be doing some financial planning there.

• 40:57Speaker 06

  You're correct. I should have been trying to get me a sugar daddy.

• 41:00Laci Mosley?

  But I don't know, like, if they got the sugar, if they own a cruise.

• 41:03Speaker 06

  That's what I'm saying. It didn't feel like, nobody was looking like they had the sugar. Do you know what I'm saying? The outfits weren't giving, "I have sugar."

• 41:08Laci Mosley?

  I need a gay who's doing yacht week in Croatia.

• 41:11Speaker 06

  If I was on a yacht, that'd be different. And then they had me out, they did one of the excursions where you go out into the water to swim with the fish. And I said, okay, I'll do it. Girl, I got scraped the fuck up on the side of the boat. The fish, there were also sharks. I, mm, I had to get out of it.

• 41:26Laci Mosley?

  Why were you on the side of the boat?

• 41:27Speaker 06

  Because I was, I was hanging on to the boat like this.

• 41:30Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 41:30Speaker 06

  Because I was scared.

• 41:31Laci Mosley?

  For dear life?

• 41:31Speaker 06

  For dear life. And I got scratched up on the side of my leg.

• 41:34Laci Mosley?

  Was the boat moving?

• 41:35Speaker 06

  The boat was, it was, I mean, I guess it's in water, so it's kind of doing this thing. And so it got, I scratched me up, I got back on the thing, I was soaking wet. And I'll never go back into the water.

• 41:44Laci Mosley?

  What country?

• 41:45Speaker 06

  Couldn't tell you, I was traumatized.

• 41:47Laci Mosley?

  Oh, okay.

• 41:48Speaker 06

  But somewhere.

• 41:49Laci Mosley?

  I've, I've been on some of those excursions, depending on the country or wherever, like, it'd just be like dudes in a trench coat. It's lowkey a little bit of a scam.

• 41:57Speaker 06

  It do feel like a scam.

• 41:58Laci Mosley?

  Like, in Mexico, they were like, hey, like, y'all drink these shots and then jump off the boat.

• 42:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, what is that? What? And we be doing that because we're on vacation.

• 42:05Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and then they had like a line, but the water was so choppy that day. Like, I was holding on to the line, and I was, and my Negro shundo was like, go back to the boat.

• 42:13Speaker 06

  Get on the fucking boat.

• 42:14Laci Mosley?

  Take a tiny ass, get your ass back on the damn boat.

• 42:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, I didn't like it.

• 42:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes, so, but I have. But no shame to cruises, because like, it can be a lot of fun. I've, I've seen a lot of adults ones that kind of make me want to go back.

• 42:23Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 42:24Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, adults only cruises.

• 42:24Speaker 06

  I just don't like being in the middle ocean like that. And, oh, adults only, but also like, climate change.

• 42:30Laci Mosley?

  And they be turning up and stuff? Yeah, it's wild.

• 42:32Speaker 06

  And did you see that movie, The Poop Deck or whatever?

• 42:35Laci Mosley?

  The Poop Deck?

• 42:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, it was on Netflix. It was like a cruise, and I think that the toilet stopped working, and so they were all trapped. Yeah, they were all trapped with the poop in the middle of the ocean.

• 42:45Laci Mosley?

  That was my worst nightmare. I know that kind of happened during COVID. And one of the boats, they brought back into commission. It should have been decommissioned. And people were on that boat, and they said it was old, and they said they could still kind of smell, like, even though they tried to clean the hallways, the COVID poop smell. Yeah.

• 43:00Speaker 06

  COVID poop specifically? That sounds like it's real nasty. Regular poop is nasty, but COVID poop?

• 43:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 43:06Speaker 06

  Ooh. What does it smell like?

• 43:07Laci Mosley?

  The antigens in it? I don't know, and I don't want to. I don't want to know.

• 43:11Speaker 06

  I was gonna try to describe for your listeners.

• 43:13Laci Mosley?

  But anyway, so she was going out, because they want that. So she was going on these Caribbean cruises as well. Meanwhile, the parents were draining their savings and borrowing from family to keep their daughter's dream alive.

• 43:24Speaker 06

  Oh, so they didn't have the millions? Their families had the millions.

• 43:28Laci Mosley?

  Two years.

• 43:29Speaker 06

  Two years?

• 43:30Laci Mosley?

  That's $2.3 million a year. And why are you borrowing? If you don't, if you don't have, first of all, if you have access to that kind of money, that kind of liquidity, then obviously you're in a great financial place.

• 43:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, you got a good family.

• 43:44Laci Mosley?

  But if you have to beg and borrow...

• 43:46Speaker 06

  They thought they were gonna make her her meal ticket. The kid was gonna be the meal ticket. That's what I'm convinced of.

• 43:50Laci Mosley?

  It sounds like if you got $4.6 million, you had tickets for meals.

• 43:52Speaker 06

  That's true, but they were gonna invest.

• 43:55Laci Mosley?

  That's too much of an investment.

• 43:56Speaker 06

  Much too much.

• 43:57Laci Mosley?

  Much too much. I would have said $10,000 is a little crazy.

• 43:59Speaker 06

  I would have, yeah, I would have kept it at 1K.

• 44:02Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if she's a, if she's a kid beautiful, I was gonna say baddie, and then I was like, no, it's a baby.

• 44:07Speaker 06

  It's a baby.

• 44:07Laci Mosley?

  But if it's a kid beautiful...

• 44:08Speaker 06

  Yeah, I like that.

• 44:09Laci Mosley?

  Child, child beautiful.

• 44:10Speaker 06

  Child gorge, yeah.

• 44:11Laci Mosley?

  Putting child first, so that we notice, yeah. Yeah, child model.

• 44:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 44:16Laci Mosley?

  Then, a, a common camera phone should be able to capture that, and you should be able to just send that to agency.

• 44:22Speaker 06

  These iPhones are great.

• 44:23Laci Mosley?

  They are.

• 44:23Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 44:24Laci Mosley?

  So, I don't understand. And then borrowing from family is crazy.

• 44:28Speaker 06

  And what were you saying to the family? Like, are you telling the truth about what you're borrowing it for? Because you're not borrowing money from me for your kid's modeling career. That seems crazy to me.

• 44:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, it's, it's obviously for them. And, and it's even kind of hinted in a bit of the research here, shout out to Caitlin Doyle, that the documents don't say if it was really for her career, if, or if it was for their dream of her career. So I think you're absolutely right.

• 44:53Speaker 06

  Yes, yes, okay, word.

• 44:54Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Scams!

• 44:59Laci Mosley?

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• 45:40Speaker 06

  She was starting to get worried and get scared for her safety.

• 45:46Laci Mosley?

  Stories of survival. The only difference between me and her, frankly, was a little bit of luck, because by all rights, I should be dead. Cases that everyone else called closed. They can't convict her, right? Like, she has so much evidence. These stories all start in the same place, with a woman failed by a system that didn't believe her, that didn't protect her, that didn't see her. No child should ever experience that. And we were babies. She did all of these brave things and came out and spoke about it, and he got a year.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  You never know who that devil is because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform.

• 46:26Laci Mosley?

  Listen to What Happened to Her on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. Oh, my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa DiGiulio, the old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions, and at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not gonna get anywhere fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today.

• 47:02Laci Mosley?

  Now in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, good taste is my business, and I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're gonna talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older. And a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to, to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't really care.

• 47:43Laci Mosley?

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• 48:29Laci Mosley?

  Listen to The Black Effect's Bloodline Crimes every Thursday, starting October 8th, from the Black Effect Podcast Network, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 48:45Laci Mosley?

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• 49:10Laci Mosley?

  To strengthen that memory. So he went into a good trance. I really didn't believe any of it was real. And I was like, well, they're gonna figure out this is not me. They're gonna do their police job. Listen to Examine: The Backfire Effect on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 49:39Laci Mosley?

  So continuing on here, Chanise, Chanise Say, might have had a lot more victims that we don't know about. A private Facebook group called Chanise Say Coin Scams Victims has more than 360 members. So how many of these 360 are nosey? And how many are actually victims? And remember, she was changing her name to at least Vivian for us as an agent.

• 50:03Speaker 06

  Vivian and Isaiah.

• 50:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So we have a little note here. This is from Chanise Marie. So now she adding her middle name in. The scammers love a different name.

• 50:15Speaker 06

  Chanise Marie Coin. Actually, that's not a bad Chanise Marie Coin. Why does that sound familiar?

• 50:20Laci Mosley?

  Chanise Marie Coin? I don't know. Maybe you saw her mugshot or something.

• 50:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 50:26Laci Mosley?

  So they describe a pattern of Coin booking and then canceling photo shoots and not offering refunds. Yes, so this says, "Good morning." This is from Chanise Say. Good morning.

• 50:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, thank you.

• 50:39Laci Mosley?

  Unfortunately, I need to move the session today. If you don't know, I was in the hospital last week for the kidney stone. I still need to pass two more. And after shooting Dress Club last night, I can hardly move today. This... I'm sorry, I'm gonna stop.

• 50:58Speaker 06

  No, no, please keep going.

• 51:00Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I just called the doctor.

• 51:02Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 51:02Laci Mosley?

  And they are having me come in this afternoon. I am pushing the session out a bit in case this needs to be removed surgically. If you cannot make the new date 6/6, please message me and I can put you on one of the other days. The other available days are 6/11, 6/12, and 6/50.

• 51:27Speaker 06

  So much information. That's how you know she's lying. It's way too much info.

• 51:30Laci Mosley?

  Cause also, why are you telling me you gotta pass two more?

• 51:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's crazy. Why are you telling me about that? And no, no, yeah, that's all you're scared.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  How you know how many kidney stones you got?

• 51:38Speaker 06

  It's too much information. When there are too many details, that's when I'm like, oh, we're really scamming.

• 51:43Laci Mosley?

  You're lying.

• 51:44Speaker 06

  You're lying to me.

• 51:44Laci Mosley?

  It's always a way to figure out if people are lying. If they're giving you unnecessary information, that's always a big red flag. I am an over explainer myself, but it's just the ADHD. But even in my over explanation, it's usually me, like, maybe telling you, like today, I came in, I was like, oh, I was running a little late. And I try not to be late recording. But I was like, oh, my doctor's appointment ran late. But I wasn't like, oh, my doctor's appointment ran late because she was doing this and then that. And then, you know, my doctor, he over on Beverly, so ba, ba, ba, ba. Like, it's like, that's when it gets to be...

• 52:17Speaker 06

  That's when you're like, oh, somebody's lying.

• 52:19Laci Mosley?

  Somebody's lying.

• 52:19Speaker 06

  You're creating a story, a fantasy.

• 52:21Laci Mosley?

  Cause now you're trying to convince me. And when people are speaking the truth, you rarely have to convince when you're speaking the truth.

• 52:27Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 52:27Laci Mosley?

  It's actually not in our brain nature to try to convince when we're speaking the truth.

• 52:31Speaker 06

  You just say what you gotta say.

• 52:33Laci Mosley?

  Perhaps if you're challenged, you might try to bring forth more details and information.

• 52:37Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 52:37Laci Mosley?

  But a fact simply is a fact.

• 52:39Speaker 06

  So she's preempting that she's gonna get pushback, which is why she's giving us so much more information than we need.

• 52:44Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. It's like if I say like, oh, Brandon, my name is Lacey. My name is Lacey because my mama named me Lacey. And when I was born in Terrell, Texas, on July 4th. And Lacey came from my grandma, she wanted to name me Lark.

• 52:55Speaker 06

  Liar.

• 52:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, like that.

• 52:57Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 52:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, got you.

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you got there pretty quickly.

• 53:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 53:01Laci Mosley?

  Took a second. You were kind of interested in the story.

• 53:03Speaker 06

  I was interested. I just liked the story.

• 53:04Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we're supposed to get to the lie faster.

• 53:06Speaker 06

  I love a name origin story.

• 53:07Laci Mosley?

  So, oh, I have a wild name origin story.

• 53:10Speaker 06

  Love it.

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  But it's in my standup, so I won't be saying it here.

• 53:13Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 53:14Laci Mosley?

  So, look, we have some victims here. Oh, why don't you read this one?

• 53:17Speaker 06

  Okay, this one's from Megan, who...

• 53:19Laci Mosley?

  Megan is disgruntled. Megan.

• 53:21Speaker 06

  Megan, it's spelled M-E-A-G-E-N.

• 53:24Laci Mosley?

  Me again.

• 53:25Speaker 06

  Me again.

• 53:25Laci Mosley?

  Me again.

• 53:26Speaker 06

  Me again.

• 53:27Laci Mosley?

  Megan.

• 53:28Speaker 06

  It's me again.

• 53:28Laci Mosley?

  One, one, Megan.

• 53:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:34Speaker 06

  Yes, I purchased photo packages costing hundreds of dollars. Shaba, shaba.

• 53:40Laci Mosley?

  That one rocks. All right.

• 53:42Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 53:42Laci Mosley?

  Megan.

• 53:42Speaker 06

  Me, me again, Megan. Yes, I purchased photo packages costing hundreds of dollars, and she rescheduled canceled shoots, which stuff happens, I get, but wouldn't refund money and only gave, quote, "credits." And then the way she did bookings, I was never available to use any, quote, "credits" for any shoots. Literally, she'd be like, quote, "This shoot can't be booked with credits." Really hung up on these credits, my God. None of them could. So the credits were useless. She refused refunds, and it's not just me who experienced this.

• 54:15Laci Mosley?

  Oh, Chanise Say.

• 54:17Speaker 06

  Chanise Say.

• 54:18Laci Mosley?

  Okay, Megan, I'm so sorry for you.

• 54:20Speaker 06

  Sorry.

• 54:20Laci Mosley?

  One, one. But, well, you told us one. But, um, I, Megan, I'm really sorry that this happened to you. And I understand how credits would alleviate the initial frustration of this shoot being canceled. Because you think, okay, we're gonna reschedule and I'm not gonna have to pay.

• 54:37Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:38Laci Mosley?

  I get that. Chanise, scammer props to you for adding this, like, this is very...

• 54:43Speaker 06

  Adding credits.

• 54:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes, because credits gives me like an airline feel.

• 54:47Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  You know what I mean? Like, airlines will be like, oh, you have credits, but there's blackout dates. You can't use them here. Also, you can't use my first class. Also, you can't use my... Like, there's so many stipulations.

• 54:57Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 54:58Laci Mosley?

  You even have to watch out, we talked about this in the entire episode, you have to watch out for airlines, like, trying to buy you out of your seat to give to someone else when they're overflowed. Are they offering you credits? Are there blackout dates? How much is it for?

• 55:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:09Laci Mosley?

  And can you do first class? These are the questions you should be asking for the credits.

• 55:12Speaker 06

  I love coming here because I learned so much.

• 55:14Laci Mosley?

  And then if they're offering cash, wait till that number gets up, nice and high. And you better make sure that they're giving you cash and a hotel to stay in if it's overnight. Like, you have to ask for these things because people have just become comfortable accepting less.

• 55:24Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 55:24Laci Mosley?

  But credits is now something that sounds legitimate. But of course, every time you try to book, she's like, oh, oh, not for this though.

• 55:30Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 55:30Laci Mosley?

  Not for this though.

• 55:31Speaker 06

  But also, it would be crazy to me to do credits for like, something like a photography situation, where it's like, I'm hiring you to take photos. Why would I need credits for that?

• 55:39Laci Mosley?

  I guess for the session. So she's saying, I'm not gonna give you your money back for the session that you booked, but it will credit you towards the rebooking of this session that I had to cancel on your way.

• 55:48Speaker 06

  I guess in my head, I would just go, we're just gonna reschedule the session. Like, why would credits even come into the conversation? Do you know what I'm saying?

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  I think that that's why they came in. That's a great observation. The credits came in because she obviously had no intention of doing the shoot or returning the money.

• 56:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:04Laci Mosley?

  So a credit can sit somewhere for a long time.

• 56:07Speaker 06

  I guess as Megan, I would go, what the fuck we need credits for?

• 56:11Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 56:11Speaker 06

  Just tell me the new date and I'll be there.

• 56:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 56:14Speaker 06

  But Chanise was well played.

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  And then she can bar her, if, let's say that Megan doesn't wanna put in any more money towards this kind of sunk cost. So she's just trying to use these credits to reschedule the shoot. If Chanise is saying that the credits don't apply to this schedule,

• 56:30Speaker 06

  Uh huh.

• 56:31Laci Mosley?

  then she can continue to postpone actually doing the work while keeping the money. Cause I don't think Chanise ever intended to do the photo shoots.

• 56:40Speaker 06

  Right, so she's just...

• 56:40Laci Mosley?

  So she's like, oh, no, you can't use credits on this day. It's because it's a Tuesday, so there's no credit Tuesday. Yeah, yeah.

• 56:46Speaker 06

  Wow, from a scam perspective, this is very good work, Chanise.

• 56:49Laci Mosley?

  No credit Tuesday through Sunday.

• 56:50Speaker 06

  Tuesday through Sunday, only Monday is the third Monday of every...

• 56:53Laci Mosley?

  The third Monday of every leap year.

• 56:54Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 56:54Laci Mosley?

  It's when we do credits.

• 56:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so obviously, this was to her frustration. So in November of 2024, Fox Two Detroit discovered that Chanise had booked Christmas photo shoots with local families but canceled after claiming the Santa Claus performer had fallen ill with M-Pox. Is that monkeypox?

• 57:13Speaker 06

  That's monkeypox.

• 57:15Laci Mosley?

  So let's look at this text message here for the cancellation.

• 57:19Speaker 06

  Oh, moneypox.

• 57:21Laci Mosley?

  She said, "Hi, I am working with Santa about refunds. He has moneypox." Baby, that was a Freudian slip.

• 57:27Speaker 06

  That was a Freudian slip. She meant monkeypox, which is already crazy, but to write moneypox?

• 57:33Laci Mosley?

  She says, "I'm sick with y'all money."

• 57:37Laci Mosley?

  I'm rich.

• 57:41Laci Mosley?

  So this is news to us as we haven't had to do this ever. So we need to get money dispersed and already handled. And then this victim says, "Oh, my God, that's crazy. He did sessions this weekend." And then Chanise says, "Between you and me, I think it's more of a conflict, but I am not going to air his laundry as I think he's a great person and look forward to working with him again."

• 58:04Speaker 06

  She throwing fake Santa under the bus like that?

• 58:07Laci Mosley?

  I'm saying, not only do you have moneypox, he a liar.

• 58:10Speaker 06

  He's a liar.

• 58:11Laci Mosley?

  A liar.

• 58:12Speaker 06

  Between us girls.

• 58:13Laci Mosley?

  Right, he needs to be on his own naughty list between us. Don't tell nobody.

• 58:16Speaker 06

  Don't tell nobody.

• 58:17Laci Mosley?

  Because I respect him and I wanna work with him again.

• 58:20Speaker 06

  That's my Santa, but...

• 58:22Laci Mosley?

  Right, like, is it? Do you? Cause I think it just said everything.

• 58:26Speaker 06

  You just told me everything.

• 58:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. Listen, I don't wanna say nothing bad about that lying ass.

• 58:32Speaker 06

  And that fake lying ass.

• 58:33Laci Mosley?

  That fake ass lying ass bitch. But...

• 58:36Speaker 06

  He grimy, okay?

• 58:38Laci Mosley?

  And then this person responded and said, "He was at Taylor Marie Photography all weekend. I saw their post because I used to go there." She's thinking that, oh, so what? Chanise here is very smart too, because she knows that the Santa that she's lying about booking is not coming to the bookings, but she's using his clout. And so he's clearly...

• 58:56Speaker 06

  She's using Santa's clout. But, oh, Santa mall Santa's clout.

• 59:00Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, saying ho, ho, ho.

• 59:03Speaker 06

  Chanise.

• 59:05Laci Mosley?

  So, this is smart too, because obviously this victim here has looked up this other Santa and sees that the other Santa got all hella kids on the lap, doing hella photo shoots. And Chanise is like, oh, you saw him? That's crazy. You know what? He is a liar, but we definitely booked him.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Damn, to have somebody lying on your name.

• 59:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes, see, that's where I'm like, I don't like that.

• 59:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, no.

• 59:27Laci Mosley?

  So, there's, there's some repercussions that are going to happen here, which I was really glad about, because I didn't know if Chanise was gonna just get away with all of this. So, there was a sentence. So Chanise has pled guilty in May to one count of wire fraud. She's going to federal prison for five years, plus three years of supervised release. She was also ordered to pay 4.6 million dollars in restitution. Good luck getting that.

• 59:51Speaker 06

  You'll never get that back.

• 59:52Laci Mosley?

  She's not the first person, nor the last person, to use modeling as a front for a money-making scheme. And we know that. I mean, there were the Barbra Zons, there were the John Roberts. Barbra Zon, that was like, did you not listen to radio in the car as a kid?

• 1:00:07Speaker 06

  No. Well, we listened to family radio. It was a Christian radio station.

• 1:00:11Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that is so cute. Okay, no, I was on the ratchet stations. You know, the ones that play those like, top dog law commercials?

• 1:00:16Speaker 06

  Yeah, I would sneak Wendy Williams sometimes.

• 1:00:18Laci Mosley?

  Have you ever heard of top dog law commercials?

• 1:00:20Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:00:21Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh, they are so specifically targeted to a lemon pepper martini Atlanta demographic.

• 1:00:28Speaker 06

  Work.

• 1:00:29Laci Mosley?

  And it's so amazing. They're like, top dog law. They'll put like, real sound effects in it, like, scurp.

• 1:00:36Laci Mosley?

  Have you or your lover been injured in an accident? Like, they're getting more and more, like, or less and less professional every time I hear one.

• 1:00:43Speaker 06

  Do they still exist?

• 1:00:44Laci Mosley?

  Yes. They're like, call us the top dog law. Y'all not getting y'all money up, because y'all not calling it top dog law. Yeah.

• 1:00:51Speaker 06

  That's already a scam, though, no?

• 1:00:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but what, these lawyers are the kind that, like, they'll take your case if they think they can win, and they usually won't charge you by the hour. They'll just take a percentage of what you win.

• 1:01:00Speaker 06

  But you win, okay, okay.

• 1:01:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and it'll be a high percentage, but I guess, like, it's better than nothing, is what they're doing. Yeah, so y'all are not gonna see this 4.6 million, but that was very cute of them to, like, offer it, so they could at least like, garnish her wages.

• 1:01:13Speaker 06

  Oh, but what's she gonna do? What kind of work is she gonna be doing after this?

• 1:01:17Laci Mosley?

  I mean, the thing about being a photographer is no one's doing a background check, unless it's like a very, like, political event or something with, like, a high-profile person.

• 1:01:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, but if you're just like, in Florida, you're probably not.

• 1:01:27Laci Mosley?

  And it doesn't sound like she was taking many pictures, so when you get off the clink, they, like, I think, she got five years in the fed, club fed.

• 1:01:34Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:01:34Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and then three years supervised release. So at least when she's being supervised on the release, she's gonna have to go get a job where she can have proof of income and a W2.

• 1:01:42Speaker 06

  And that money was gonna go right back to the family, we hope. Although, I think the family should not go to jail, but like, something's, something's up with them, too.

• 1:01:50Laci Mosley?

  Something's a little weird with them, too.

• 1:01:52Speaker 06

  Because why you get that much money? Yeah, why you get 4.6 million over two?

• 1:01:54Laci Mosley?

  For one daughter?

• 1:01:55Speaker 06

  There's something, ah, I don't like it. Something smells really...

• 1:01:59Laci Mosley?

  No, borrowing from family.

• 1:02:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, it don't smell right. It don't smell right. Yeah, I'm curious.

• 1:02:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I bet the family didn't show up in court. They were like, no, we don't need to see this. We don't have any letters of, of, of a victim.

• 1:02:10Speaker 06

  They don't, that's embarrassing. Yeah, no.

• 1:02:13Laci Mosley?

  So, I, overall, I think this scam, mm, I'm not gonna say it's harmless. I think the stuff that she was doing on Facebook, like, I mean, obviously, like, photos are not a necessity. It's something that you spend money on as like, um, like a, what, what would we call it? It's like for like...

• 1:02:31Speaker 06

  Like an accessory.

• 1:02:32Laci Mosley?

  Like discretionary.

• 1:02:33Speaker 06

  Oh, okay, there it is. The contingency funds. No.

• 1:02:37Laci Mosley?

  Contingency doesn't feel right. The word is like, on the tip of my tongue, but you know, this is like, money for fodder, rather. You know what I mean? So, I, I, I don't feel super-duper bad for the people who got scammed here. I obviously don't blame them, and I wish that that hadn't happened to them, because photos are also really important. People like to do memories with their families, and, and I think that's important. Also, like, someone on TikTok made a video, I wish I remembered their name, but they were like, if you are in a marriage that is falling apart, please stop taking those fall photos.

• 1:03:10Speaker 06

  Honestly, keep taking them.

• 1:03:11Laci Mosley?

  They're like, we can tell y'all hate each other.

• 1:03:13Speaker 06

  Honestly, keep taking them. I like them. Take more.

• 1:03:16Laci Mosley?

  Go to the pumpkin patch. I wanna see you guys look like you hate each other.

• 1:03:22Speaker 06

  The more fall, the better. Yeah, put that in the script, but, girl.

• 1:03:26Laci Mosley?

  I know someone, I'd have to be incredibly vague here, but one of their engagement photos was, like, the fiancee, like, wrapping his hand around her neck, and he was, and he was like, err, and she's like, eh.

• 1:03:44Speaker 06

  I hate that. I hate that.

• 1:03:46Laci Mosley?

  The person is a quirky person. I won't say who they were in the situation.

• 1:03:50Speaker 06

  But the Freudian slip of the pose chose them.

• 1:03:54Laci Mosley?

  The pose, when I saw that photo, I was like, this is not going to last.

• 1:03:58Speaker 06

  Was it engagement photos?

• 1:03:59Laci Mosley?

  It was an engagement photo.

• 1:04:01Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not the engagement photo we sent out.

• 1:04:03Laci Mosley?

  It was on, on socials.

• 1:04:05Speaker 06

  We don't put that on socials.

• 1:04:06Laci Mosley?

  And I saw it, and I was like, this is not gonna last, and it did not.

• 1:04:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:10Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:04:11Speaker 06

  I went to a wedding, and their photo was cheek to cheek, and I thought, well, that's not gonna last either.

• 1:04:18Laci Mosley?

  You don't like a cheek to cheek? You don't like a go on a date and y'all both sit on the same side of the booth?

• 1:04:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's fine, but like, if we just got married...

• 1:04:24Laci Mosley?

  The booth is fine for you?

• 1:04:25Speaker 06

  The booth?

• 1:04:25Laci Mosley?

  I hate a same-side booth, though.

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  You hate? I'mma be next to you next time we go to Superba.

• 1:04:31Laci Mosley?

  Why would you do this to me?

• 1:04:32Speaker 06

  Because you gotta, I like it right, right next to you.

• 1:04:35Laci Mosley?

  Now we have to turn.

• 1:04:36Speaker 06

  And what about it?

• 1:04:37Laci Mosley?

  Because now I gotta turn, okay, I gotta turn this way, and I gotta eat the food, and I gotta talk to you.

• 1:04:41Speaker 06

  Because if we're sharing our food, it's not...

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  No, you can share the food in the middle of the table, and then we have...

• 1:04:46Speaker 06

  Honestly, I'd be right, if I could, if I could sit right there, if I could, if the cameras weren't...

• 1:04:49Laci Mosley?

  Is that why you keep knocking this damn booth open? You feel like it's between us?

• 1:04:52Speaker 06

  It's between us. The candles between us, the plants are between us. I don't like that. I'll be right up next to you, sharing fries and martinis.

• 1:04:59Laci Mosley?

  What about cheek to cheek? Are we not loving it?

• 1:05:02Speaker 06

  Because if we just got married, why are we, why are our poses cheek to cheek?

• 1:05:05Laci Mosley?

  You want a tongue-to-tongue with them?

• 1:05:07Speaker 06

  Yes, we just got married. Put your tongue on me. At least lick my cheek. That's crazy. A married couple just putting, like, we're like, we're doing a press? That's no, no, no, no.

• 1:05:17Laci Mosley?

  Okay, okay, fair enough.

• 1:05:19Speaker 06

  We're both fine, fine, our camera? No, I'm so sorry. I feel very passionate about this.

• 1:05:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so I'm sorry for those of you who lost their money. For some reason, I, because of the things that you've said, Brandon, and brought up, I do not feel bad for the family who lost the 4.6 million dollars. I'm not gonna make fun of you. You're definitely still victimized, and, um, but it just seems like an aggressive amount of money with no results for two years.

• 1:05:38Speaker 06

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:05:39Laci Mosley?

  It is.

• 1:05:40Speaker 06

  It is, yeah.

• 1:05:40Laci Mosley?

  And it, and it begs the question, why?

• 1:05:42Speaker 06

  Why? And also, it wasn't all your money. You were borrowing money for this.

• 1:05:45Laci Mosley?

  And who in their right minds would do this?

• 1:05:48Speaker 06

  I wanna know who was giving that money, too.

• 1:05:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, there was, I think everyone was being scammed.

• 1:05:52Laci Mosley?

  For this amount of money, you could've gone to New York, paid somebody who was actually, like, influential. Hell, for this amount of money, you probably could've called Law Rutch up and been like, hey, I'll give you a million dollars if you introduce my baby to everybody in the fashion industry.

• 1:06:04Speaker 06

  Literally, literally.

• 1:06:06Laci Mosley?

  I would take a million dollars to do a go see...

• 1:06:09Speaker 06

  One day?

• 1:06:10Laci Mosley?

  One day.

• 1:06:11Speaker 06

  Give me that million.

• 1:06:12Laci Mosley?

  Hell, y'all could've gave me a million dollars. I would've gone to New York and I would've been at World of Nina.

• 1:06:15Speaker 06

  Maybe.

• 1:06:16Laci Mosley?

  Maybe. I watched enough America's Next Top Model, baby. I got you.

• 1:06:19Speaker 06

  Exactly.

• 1:06:20Laci Mosley?

  She charged it for makeup artists. No, we're going to the Sephora, we using all the samples.

• 1:06:23Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 1:06:24Laci Mosley?

  Okay, we gonna be real models, okay?

• 1:06:26Speaker 06

  I'll take that million, make it to Far.

• 1:06:28Laci Mosley?

  I have one photo, and it's your daughter.

• 1:06:31Laci Mosley?

  Come on. Yes. So, moving on from that strange little story. Chanise, I hope when you get out of the clink, you buy a Nikon and you do this right.

• 1:06:40Speaker 06

  That's correct. I, she probably won't, though.

• 1:06:43Laci Mosley?

  No, she probably won't. I know it'll check her background.

• 1:06:46Speaker 06

  But is it, is it, have you found that once a scammer, always a scammer?

• 1:06:49Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Um, and there are some people who reform, but I feel like those are the people who never intended to stay in the game long. Some people scam to get through doors that were never open for them.

• 1:06:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, fair, fair. I love those scams.

• 1:06:59Laci Mosley?

  And they shake it off when they, when they've made it to legitimacy. But then some people are serial entrepreneurs, and they just love it.

• 1:07:04Speaker 06

  They love, did you ever watch Toxic Love Story on Netflix?

• 1:07:07Laci Mosley?

  Uh-uh.

• 1:07:07Speaker 06

  You would love that.

• 1:07:09Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:07:09Speaker 06

  Scam down. The girl scammed that she had stage four.

• 1:07:15Laci Mosley?

  Well, I might've seen this, actually.

• 1:07:16Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:07:16Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I might've reported on it. My newer name. Yeah. They give, they, Netflix loves to give it a spicy name.

• 1:07:22Speaker 06

  Okay, work.

• 1:07:23Laci Mosley?

  Scams.

• 1:07:26Laci Mosley?

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• 1:08:09Laci Mosley?

  She was starting to get worried and get scared for her safety. Stories of survival. The only difference between me and her, frankly, was a little bit of luck, because by all rights, I should be dead. Cases that everyone else called closed.

• 1:08:27Laci Mosley?

  They can't convict her, right? Like, she has so much evidence.

• 1:08:31Laci Mosley?

  These stories all start in the same place, with a woman failed by a system that didn't believe her, that didn't protect her, that didn't see her. No child should ever experience that.

• 1:08:42Laci Mosley?

  And we were babies. She did all of these brave things and came out and spoke about it, and he got a year.

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  You never know who that devil is, because he's wearing a disguise. Sometimes it's a police uniform.

• 1:08:55Laci Mosley?

  Listen to What Happened to Her on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Lisa, we should tell them about our new show. Oh, my God, Lexi, we have a new podcast. It's called Don't Lie to Me. I'm Lexi Iwanu. We're two best friends, 22 years apart, but so close at heart. And I'm Lisa DiGiulio. The old one, which means we have wildly different references, occasionally different opinions. And at this point in my 50s, I've lived it all. I'm not gonna get anywhere fighting. That is wild. I learned that about you today.

• 1:09:31Laci Mosley?

  Now, in my 30s, being the founder of New Shoes, good taste is my business, and I've always got something to say. If men were just honest about this, there would be so much more peace in the world. We're gonna talk about dating, relationships, beauty, getting older. And a little wiser. We're best friends, but we don't always agree. Because you told us how accommodating you are. Obviously, I would do what I think I could do to to fight the fight, but there's only so much fight I can fight. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Don't lie to me. Liar. Listen on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I don't really care.

• 1:10:12Laci Mosley?

  They shared the same name, the same home, the same DNA, the same blood. But behind closed doors, blood isn't always thicker than water, and family loyalty can turn deadly. From shocking betrayals to carefully planned murders, The Black Effect's new original podcast series, Bloodline Crimes, hosted by me, Morgan Wood, explores the darkest and bizarre cases where family became the most dangerous threat of all. Because sometimes the person you should fear most is not a stranger,

• 1:10:46Laci Mosley?

  but rather someone sitting at the dinner table with you. Real cases, real families, real killers. This is Bloodline Crimes. Listen to The Black Effect's Bloodline Crimes every Thursday, starting October 8th, from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:11:14Laci Mosley?

  My name is Josie Duffy Rice. I'm a journalist who covers the criminal legal system. And over my career, I've heard account after account of prosecutorial misconduct, story after story of injustice. But I've never heard a story quite like this.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  The more I kept reading that stuff, I thought, man, this, there's more red flags that just kept coming up over and over. We'll hypnotize him to strengthen that memory. So he went into a good trance. I really didn't believe any of it was real. And I was like, well, they're gonna figure out this is not me. They're gonna do their police job.

• 1:11:54Laci Mosley?

  Listen to Examine: The Backfire Effect on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 1:12:07Laci Mosley?

  So as we move on from historic hoodwink, we are gonna regale Brandon with a scammer of the week. Yes, sometimes we do this, sometimes we don't. Sometimes we love them, sometimes we don't. This is like, oh.

• 1:12:22Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 1:12:22Speaker 06

  Oh, my God.

• 1:12:24Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that was a jump scare. Joel.

• 1:12:27Speaker 06

  Bernhard Eugen Fritz?

• 1:12:29Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:12:30Speaker 06

  Girl, lock him up.

• 1:12:32Laci Mosley?

  So our scammer of the week, we have a most wanted fraudster from the FBI. They have a new list. They didn't used to have-

• 1:12:40Speaker 06

  It looks like the Cottonelle commercial. You know the Cottonelle commercial?

• 1:12:43Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but-

• 1:12:43Speaker 06

  Or the puff? No, it's the puffs.

• 1:12:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:46Speaker 06

  The claymation with the noses?

• 1:12:47Laci Mosley?

  It's a nose and D.

• 1:12:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, don't he look like he got that same-

• 1:12:50Laci Mosley?

  Oh, he does kinda got that little V going.

• 1:12:51Speaker 06

  That little puff nose.

• 1:12:53Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:53Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:12:54Laci Mosley?

  You know, he tear a clean ass.

• 1:12:56Speaker 06

  He love, he love a clean ass.

• 1:12:57Laci Mosley?

  Blow a hole through it.

• 1:12:58Speaker 06

  Come on. Right through two of them with that. Hello?

• 1:13:03Laci Mosley?

  Listen, come out like gunshots.

• 1:13:08Laci Mosley?

  Strong.

• 1:13:09Speaker 06

  That's strong when-

• 1:13:10Laci Mosley?

  So the FBI has recently made a more specific most wanted list for fraudsters. So this is the most wanted fraudster list.

• 1:13:17Speaker 06

  Wow.

• 1:13:17Laci Mosley?

  So Impox, that's coming up again. So I guess it's a monkeypox episode, not moneypox, but AKA monkeypox, was a virus that was going viral in the news in 2024. The symptoms are fever, headache, muscle aches, back pain, low energy, and swollen lymph nodes. And one thing I love about the queer community is that when monkeypox was first surfacing, oh, babes, we got that out of here immediately. Everybody went and got a vaccine?

• 1:13:42Speaker 06

  Immediately.

• 1:13:43Laci Mosley?

  Everyone went and got a vaccine?

• 1:13:44Speaker 06

  Also because I think there were lesions too.

• 1:13:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, and you know what? It was the ugliness of it.

• 1:13:50Speaker 06

  No shame, but really, the girl said, uh-uh, what? The face? The girl said the face?

• 1:13:55Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if COVID made you ugly, everybody would have had that vaccine. I don't wanna put it, put it, put it in my neck. Put it in my neck.

• 1:14:05Speaker 06

  Get it in here, bruh.

• 1:14:07Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I don't wanna be ugly. All the racists, all the MAGA's, everybody would have been lined up like-

• 1:14:12Speaker 06

  Get it, get it. Absolutely.

• 1:14:14Laci Mosley?

  They'd have been like, fuck the libs, but give me that. Give me that jab.

• 1:14:18Speaker 06

  Give me that good, that good back here.

• 1:14:20Laci Mosley?

  Give me that beauty jab, okay? Everybody would have done it.

• 1:14:22Speaker 06

  That monkeypox had the girls running.

• 1:14:25Laci Mosley?

  Yes. They said ugly.

• 1:14:27Speaker 06

  Could never.

• 1:14:28Laci Mosley?

  Get my purse.

• 1:14:29Speaker 06

  I gotta take the social media photo.

• 1:14:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no. Okay, never get into the club looking like that.

• 1:14:34Speaker 06

  Not that, not that.

• 1:14:36Laci Mosley?

  So, you know, when it was a thing before we eradicated it, damn ugly ass disease. Right, so the scammer of the week does kind of still relate to our historic hoodwink. So remember the Santa that old girl Chanise was lying about who said had monkeypox?

• 1:14:52Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Laci Mosley?

  Fox Two Detroit later interviewed the Santa in question. Because remember, they were reporting on Chanise and her fake photographs and everything.

• 1:14:59Speaker 06

  And he showed up.

• 1:15:00Laci Mosley?

  So they did some due diligence and they went after the fake Santa. And the fake Santa denied contracting the disease. He said, look at these pores. You think I got a monkey?

• 1:15:09Speaker 06

  Come on. He said, touch the skin, honey. Touch all this skin, yeah.

• 1:15:13Laci Mosley?

  Okay, straight from the North Pole.

• 1:15:14Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 1:15:15Laci Mosley?

  Red off, could never, please.

• 1:15:17Speaker 06

  Could try, but never.

• 1:15:18Laci Mosley?

  At the top of that list is Bernard Frisch on this scammer wanted FBI list, right?

• 1:15:23Speaker 06

  Always a scammer when they're wearing that coat, that like, it's-

• 1:15:26Laci Mosley?

  I've seen that on other scammers. Remember the Howard tuition scammer?

• 1:15:31Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:15:32Laci Mosley?

  The one who, he was stealing from financial aid? And he has a picture where he's kicking his heels and he has on a yellow blazer like that.

• 1:15:38Speaker 06

  It's the blazer with the jeans. It's like, I have money, but I'm casual.

• 1:15:41Laci Mosley?

  This fucking Century 21 realtor ass fucking blazer.

• 1:15:45Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 1:15:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you definitely about to sell me a dream.

• 1:15:48Speaker 06

  I know, that's right.

• 1:15:49Laci Mosley?

  So Bernard Frisch is a 65-year-old founder and chief executive of a tech company called Star Club, Inc.

• 1:15:56Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:15:56Laci Mosley?

  I love the names. I feel like I could-

• 1:15:58Speaker 06

  Star Club, Inc.

• 1:15:59Laci Mosley?

  Spot a fake company.

• 1:16:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Laci Mosley?

  So he told investors, the app would help celebrities and social media influencers monetize their brand endorsements. He said it would deliver advertising content and share ad revenue with a celebrity poster. So this app is saying that you can sign up and we'll use your clout and we'll pay you to do, it sounds like a middleman for something that celebrities and influencers don't need a middleman for.

• 1:16:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, sounds like a useless company.

• 1:16:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:24Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:16:24Laci Mosley?

  It's like, you got money, how can we get in between it?

• 1:16:27Speaker 06

  How can we make a bridge between you and your money?

• 1:16:30Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:16:32Laci Mosley?

  So he said it would deliver this content, right? And it was gonna share the revenue. Star Club surrounded itself with Hollywood glitz, hosting events attended by celebrities like-

• 1:16:43Speaker 06

  Oh, name him.

• 1:16:44Laci Mosley?

  Tyrese Gibson.

• 1:16:47Speaker 06

  Damn.

• 1:16:47Laci Mosley?

  And Enrique Iglesias.

• 1:16:49Speaker 06

  Damn.

• 1:16:50Laci Mosley?

  Now-

• 1:16:51Speaker 06

  Now Enrique's kind of a get.

• 1:16:55Speaker 06

  I don't know. Baila amor.

• 1:16:58Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he been baila too much. Baila bastante, Enrique, come back. Okay?

• 1:17:03Speaker 06

  Damn, okay.

• 1:17:04Laci Mosley?

  So, but if I see Tyrese selling some-

• 1:17:07Speaker 06

  Yeah, I got questions.

• 1:17:09Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I love the Fes family, but I don't know if I'm like- Hey, Tyrese endorsed this.

• 1:17:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm a, I'm a-

• 1:17:15Laci Mosley?

  So I bought four. I don't know. I don't know, guys.

• 1:17:19Speaker 06

  Tyrese, no shame, no shame.

• 1:17:20Laci Mosley?

  So Bernhard, I don't call him Bernard, but it looks like Bernhard. We'll call him Bernhard. Bernard Bernhard. He wasn't building that app. He was using tens of millions of dollars in investor money to buy a McLaren and a Rolls Royce. He upgraded his yacht and renovated his Malibu mansion.

• 1:17:40Laci Mosley?

  Now Bernhard.

• 1:17:41Speaker 06

  What? The scammer's-

• 1:17:42Laci Mosley?

  You know, at some point, people are gonna be looking for the app that they invested in. You couldn't make a little app, half app? You need a McLaren and a Rolls Royce? You couldn't have just got one?

• 1:17:51Speaker 06

  One?

• 1:17:52Laci Mosley?

  Also, you're renovating, you're renovating a place in Malibu? The Fire Town?

• 1:17:56Speaker 06

  That's kind, that, Fire Town, nuts. But yeah, why wouldn't you be investing like in a property outside of the country so that when you get caught, you got a place to go?

• 1:18:04Laci Mosley?

  To go with no extradition.

• 1:18:06Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Laci Mosley?

  Also, why not just like embezzle? Why I don't understand why people have to embezzle so hard?

• 1:18:12Speaker 06

  So much?

• 1:18:13Laci Mosley?

  Do like a little bezel.

• 1:18:14Speaker 06

  A little bit.

• 1:18:15Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:15Speaker 06

  A little bit. But he's 65.

• 1:18:16Laci Mosley?

  Like embed.

• 1:18:17Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:18Laci Mosley?

  Don't, don't embed so. Don't do embed, I meant. Just embed.

• 1:18:22Speaker 06

  Mm.

• 1:18:23Laci Mosley?

  Embed.

• 1:18:25Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:25Speaker 06

  Just a little bit.

• 1:18:26Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:26Speaker 06

  You're 65, but I think you-

• 1:18:27Laci Mosley?

  We're not gonna call it, it was like reallocation of, redistribution of funds.

• 1:18:31Speaker 06

  You could be like, oh, I didn't even know it was there.

• 1:18:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I was co-mingling.

• 1:18:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:36Laci Mosley?

  With my bank account and yours.

• 1:18:37Speaker 06

  I would just have a little brunch with it, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:18:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, but y'all gotta go, look, a Rolls Royce and a McLaren is crazy.

• 1:18:41Speaker 06

  That's cool.

• 1:18:41Laci Mosley?

  Why would you get both?

• 1:18:42Speaker 06

  You don't need all of that. And then we're gonna renovate the Malibu house? You know they're gonna take the house, right? Damn.

• 1:18:48Laci Mosley?

  So before he could be sentenced, Bernhard escaped to Sanlomoco.

• 1:18:53Speaker 06

  Okay, okay.

• 1:18:55Laci Mosley?

  So maybe he did have other plans.

• 1:18:55Speaker 06

  Alright, there we go.

• 1:18:56Laci Mosley?

  He was helped by his girlfriend, Lucinda Jane Weisman Marrera. She got too many names.

• 1:19:01Speaker 06

  Wait, she look like she in a, ooh, she in a movie. I was like, she look like she's in a movie, but she in a movie.

• 1:19:06Laci Mosley?

  She gives me like nineteen fifty's or like forty's black and white actress.

• 1:19:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, Blown Away.

• 1:19:12Laci Mosley?

  Mr. Rutherford.

• 1:19:14Speaker 06

  Predator, The Silencer.

• 1:19:16Laci Mosley?

  Oh, she was in Predator 2?

• 1:19:17Speaker 06

  Predator 2, be clear.

• 1:19:19Laci Mosley?

  Wasn't Predator 1.

• 1:19:20Speaker 06

  Wasn't Predator 1, but she's in Predator 2?

• 1:19:21Laci Mosley?

  Predator 2, Electric Boogaloo.

• 1:19:22Speaker 06

  Yeah, okay, and The Silencer, ninety-six, and that's the last.

• 1:19:25Laci Mosley?

  And she's married to Jim Benara. None of this means things to me.

• 1:19:27Speaker 06

  Anything, I don't know nothing about this.

• 1:19:29Laci Mosley?

  But you know what, Lucinda, you a baddie, so it gives like.

• 1:19:32Speaker 06

  Lucinda Weist, that's pretty, she pretty.

• 1:19:35Laci Mosley?

  It feel like she was acting for a little bit just to buy the time.

• 1:19:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, she wanted to scam.

• 1:19:39Laci Mosley?

  So prosecutors said that she was under the romantic influence of a charming, skilled liar.

• 1:19:45Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:19:46Laci Mosley?

  So she said she was influenced by the boy, the boy's a liar. So she paid thirty-five hundred dollars to aid and abet a criminal. Also, like babes, if he's so romantic, why are you paying thirty-five hundred dollars for him to leave? It's not like I'm breaking up.

• 1:19:59Speaker 06

  Yeah, where are you sending him to? Are you going with him?

• 1:20:02Laci Mosley?

  Are you going with him?

• 1:20:02Speaker 06

  And thirty-five hundred dollars, that's not, that's a small change.

• 1:20:05Laci Mosley?

  That's not a small change.

• 1:20:06Speaker 06

  That's not a small change. You gotta check in with the business manager for that much.

• 1:20:08Laci Mosley?

  To start a long-distance relationship?

• 1:20:10Speaker 06

  No, listen to that all here. Bless her heart.

• 1:20:13Laci Mosley?

  So she also bought two burner phones from Best Buy.

• 1:20:16Speaker 06

  Uh-oh.

• 1:20:17Laci Mosley?

  So they could stay in touch.

• 1:20:18Speaker 06

  Uh-oh, that's a scammer.

• 1:20:19Laci Mosley?

  Bernhard, what did you do to this lady?

• 1:20:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, why she buying burner phones?

• 1:20:23Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 1:20:24Speaker 06

  Where did you even buy a burner phone?

• 1:20:25Laci Mosley?

  I mean, to be fair, if she was in those movies in the nineties, the photo that we saw is not her current, like, age.

• 1:20:30Speaker 06

  Oh, so what you're saying, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

• 1:20:34Laci Mosley?

  So maybe she was just happy that he wasn't trying to date a tween.

• 1:20:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, she was, she wanted the love.

• 1:20:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he was age-appropriate, he was good at lying, lying so good.

• 1:20:42Speaker 06

  And he has some money.

• 1:20:43Laci Mosley?

  Sixty-five years of experience, lying.

• 1:20:45Speaker 06

  And he, yeah.

• 1:20:46Laci Mosley?

  Cause I feel like he came out the womb with the lies.

• 1:20:48Speaker 06

  He had to. He's a white man.

• 1:20:51Laci Mosley?

  I feel like he stayed in there too long, too. I feel like his mama had to induce.

• 1:20:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Laci Mosley?

  He wasn't trying to stop squatting.

• 1:20:56Speaker 06

  That's why his nose look like that.

• 1:20:57Laci Mosley?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:20:58Speaker 06

  You see it, you see it.

• 1:20:59Laci Mosley?

  I see it. I see it, it makes sense to me. So in September, Mexican law enforcement found Bernhard with a false ID in violation of Mexico's immigration laws.

• 1:21:10Speaker 06

  That's right, Mexico.

• 1:21:11Laci Mosley?

  Come on, tables. Come on, Mexican immigration laws. Turn them, go ahead, turn them, bitch.

• 1:21:16Speaker 06

  Adele, let's go.

• 1:21:17Laci Mosley?

  Right, but he got away again. And Lucinda booked him a hotel room in Mexico City, and he got a plane for Munich the next day. Now, I wonder if he got away because, you know, the federales be like, you did something bad. We'd hate to have to lock you up.

• 1:21:34Speaker 06

  Give me that thirty-five hundred.

• 1:21:35Laci Mosley?

  Right. What Lucinda give you?

• 1:21:38Speaker 06

  You give a old boy.

• 1:21:39Laci Mosley?

  So the FBI is offering, so he left for Munich.

• 1:21:43Speaker 06

  Okay.

• 1:21:43Laci Mosley?

  The FBI is offering a reward of a hundred and fifty thousand dollars for information leading to his capture.

• 1:21:52Speaker 06

  A hundred and fifty K, that's no, that's, that's a lot of money.

• 1:21:54Laci Mosley?

  It's nothing to sneeze at. Like, a hundred and fifty K, I wanna look free.

• 1:21:58Speaker 06

  I find him, yeah.

• 1:21:59Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna become a bounty hunter.

• 1:22:01Speaker 06

  I, I will absolutely find that man for one fifty, and this gotta be, girl. We all gotta have multiple jobs in this economy.

• 1:22:07Laci Mosley?

  And he's sixty-five, I feel like I could do a quick Facebook search.

• 1:22:10Speaker 06

  Yeah, he ain't moving that fast. Okay, we find, and he, yeah, find him, tackle him, bring him in. We're the key.

• 1:22:17Laci Mosley?

  Do a little love fraud. I mean, he's, he is in Munich, so I feel like Munich would be a little harder to find him. I feel like I could take a trip to Mexico and get him.

• 1:22:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, and get him, but Munich, yeah, that sounds like more work, and I like being at home.

• 1:22:28Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, that's giving like Liam Neeson and Taken, Nick Cox.

• 1:22:32Speaker 06

  I can't do all that. Yeah, my hips not good. Yeah, my knees.

• 1:22:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, my knees, my back and my knees.

• 1:22:41Speaker 06

  Back and my knees.

• 1:22:41Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, no, no, no.

• 1:22:42Speaker 06

  Different time, different time.

• 1:22:43Laci Mosley?

  Oh my goodness, how do you feel about Bernhard, or Bernard, what's Bernhard?

• 1:22:47Speaker 06

  Bernhard? I mean, my feelings about him are, I hope he gets caught. Because I don't like a white man getting away with, with the bullshit, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:22:56Laci Mosley?

  Like, every day in America?

• 1:22:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, so I hope he is caught, and I hope every, all of them get caught, and that we prevail, and become the kings and queens.

• 1:23:05Laci Mosley?

  That we are.

• 1:23:06Speaker 06

  That we already are.

• 1:23:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes, I, I do, I mean, investors who invest in apps typically have like a lot of money to throw away.

• 1:23:14Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 1:23:15Laci Mosley?

  Um, and they tend to also, like, especially VCs and stuff, they, they tend to invest in a lot of projects, and it's like the casino. You know most of the startups will fail, but hopefully you hit one, you hit one Uber, you know?

• 1:23:24Speaker 06

  Yeah. What are those called, unicorns? No. Yes? No.

• 1:23:29Laci Mosley?

  Just like it.

• 1:23:30Speaker 06

  Something like that. Okay, we'll get it.

• 1:23:31Laci Mosley?

  But, yeah, so it feels like they probably have a lot of money to spread around, and they'll be fine.

• 1:23:36Speaker 06

  Yeah, I mean, he was, the thing is, like, it's like scamming the rich, so like, I'm not as, like, invested.

• 1:23:41Laci Mosley?

  And I mean, if he already had a house in Malibu.

• 1:23:43Speaker 06

  Yeah, he just renovating it.

• 1:23:45Laci Mosley?

  It seems like before he was scamming, he was doing pretty well.

• 1:23:48Speaker 06

  Cause I'm saying sixty-five is, is late in life to start scamming.

• 1:23:51Laci Mosley?

  Is it?

• 1:23:52Speaker 06

  Is it?

• 1:23:52Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you can start whenever.

• 1:23:54Speaker 06

  I guess, anybody can scam, you just have to have a dream, a vision.

• 1:23:57Laci Mosley?

  You just have to have the dream. I mean, look at Samuel L. Jackson, wasn't he like in his forties when he got like his first big role?

• 1:24:01Speaker 06

  You're right. I thought you were saying, Samuel L. Jackson was scamming, I said, what, he scam?

• 1:24:05Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 1:24:06Speaker 06

  No, no, but yes, you're right. Morgan Freeman was in his sixties when he got his first.

• 1:24:09Laci Mosley?

  Morgan Freeman's been old since he was born.

• 1:24:10Speaker 06

  Absolutely, he, he came out that.

• 1:24:11Laci Mosley?

  I have never not seen that man with gray hair.

• 1:24:13Speaker 06

  Actually, I've never seen a young picture of Morgan Freeman.

• 1:24:16Laci Mosley?

  I feel like he's almost doing it on purpose now.

• 1:24:17Speaker 06

  I think so, which is good. It's for the brand, keeping the brand safe.

• 1:24:20Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:24:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:21Laci Mosley?

  I remember they used to do those memes where they had celebrities who were older now, but there was like their baby picture, and then Morgan Freeman, it would just be Morgan Freeman.

• 1:24:28Speaker 06

  Deceased.

• 1:24:29Laci Mosley?

  He ain't never been young. Is he alive?

• 1:24:32Speaker 06

  Shut up.

• 1:24:34Laci Mosley?

  Yes, cut that.

• 1:24:36Speaker 06

  I ain't, cause I ain't heard from him in so long.

• 1:24:38Laci Mosley?

  He's supposed to call you directly?

• 1:24:41Speaker 06

  Nah, just like, he got a movie coming out or nothing, yeah.

• 1:24:43Laci Mosley?

  I mean, he done been talking on everybody's everything for so long.

• 1:24:46Speaker 06

  You know, he, he do that, yeah.

• 1:24:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, he might be chilling a little bit.

• 1:24:49Speaker 06

  That's good, he got the money to chill. But I'd like to see him, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:24:53Laci Mosley?

  Maybe if you Google him, I'm sure he's been doing things.

• 1:24:55Speaker 06

  Somebody Google Morgan Freeman, make sure he's okay.

• 1:24:56Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, just make sure he's okay. We don't need to be losing nobody else right now.

• 1:25:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, that's, that's my boy.

• 1:25:01Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, I, I, I agree with you, though. Like, I, I think sixty-five is a little old to get into it. However, I will not doubt there's no ageism on that. There is ageism for me in the, in the government, though. The White House Congress and Senate should all have age limits. We have age minimums, we need age maximums. Got minimums, need maximums.

• 1:25:16Speaker 06

  What do you think the oldest a president should be?

• 1:25:19Laci Mosley?

  I think the oldest president should be is sixty-five.

• 1:25:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, sixty-five, and I think you're good.

• 1:25:23Laci Mosley?

  Let's just leave it at retirement age. That's when you can retire.

• 1:25:26Speaker 06

  And then sit the fuck down.

• 1:25:27Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, cause after that, you're making rules for a world you're not gonna live in, so why would you care?

• 1:25:32Speaker 06

  What are you doing here? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:25:33Laci Mosley?

  They weekend in Bernie's, Dianne Feinstein, our own damn state. She voted and the next day she died.

• 1:25:39Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:25:40Laci Mosley?

  How you voting for the future you definitely not gonna see?

• 1:25:42Speaker 06

  You're voting, and then you're gonna die, and leave us with your vote.

• 1:25:46Laci Mosley?

  With your vote.

• 1:25:46Speaker 06

  That seems crazy and inconsiderate and selfish, quite honestly.

• 1:25:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and also, it's just been proven that the older people get, statistically, the more selfish they get. And so having all these selfish, nasty bastards in office, like, they don't care about what's happening.

• 1:26:01Speaker 06

  They're navigating their mortality, and they, they're not, they're not in therapy, and so they're just trying to hold on to their power and like, feel their power.

• 1:26:07Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, because once you age, once, youth is power.

• 1:26:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:09Laci Mosley?

  Money is power.

• 1:26:10Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:26:11Laci Mosley?

  And, you know, having influence, significant influence like that is power. And so once you lose the youth power, some people can't let go of that, so they have to go into either the money power, or they have to go into the, yeah, the political power. Cause they need something. Cause like, look, they may be the ugliest motherfucker you've ever seen, but every time they walk in a room, they feel like Beyonce, because they're famous, so you're looking at them. They nasty looking, but you know, every time Mitch McConnell poke their head out their shell, somebody is looking at his nasty ass.

• 1:26:37Speaker 06

  And we talking about it, but that's because they don't love themselves. If you love yourself, you don't need all that fake power. Cause that fake, the, the, the political power, or whatever that is, is fake power.

• 1:26:45Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Speaker 06

  It's like you're, you're doing something to make you feel.

• 1:26:48Laci Mosley?

  It only has as much power as we give it value to. So once we decide that we don't believe anymore, and unfortunately, that is the scam of this. I'm, I, look, we have had a long episode, so I won't get into that, but what about, but what about?

• 1:26:59Speaker 06

  But next time, the bonus.

• 1:27:00Laci Mosley?

  Yes, right, the bonus.

• 1:27:01Speaker 06

  In the bonus.

• 1:27:02Laci Mosley?

  But that's one of my favorite things, or not, I don't have many things that are favorite, um, actually none, but about, uh, orange man's presidency. Is that he completely debunked white supremacy. All of this time, they have been telling us that white people are better at everything than us.

• 1:27:17Speaker 06

  And that lady lasted five days.

• 1:27:19Laci Mosley?

  But the whole administration.

• 1:27:21Speaker 06

  I know, the whole administration.

• 1:27:22Laci Mosley?

  Y'all are supposed to be telling us this the best you got, this the most attractive you got, this is the supreme? This is supreme.

• 1:27:27Speaker 06

  This is superior, supreme?

• 1:27:29Laci Mosley?

  Y'all supremacist, right? This is supreme?

• 1:27:30Speaker 06

  This is crazy.

• 1:27:31Laci Mosley?

  This is not getting supreme?

• 1:27:33Speaker 06

  Y'all should be embarrassed, embarrassed.

• 1:27:35Laci Mosley?

  Y'all should have left DEI right where it's at. And also, please stop using DEI as a pejorative, even if you think you're, you're like insulting that Katie lady and be like, see, she was a DEI hire. That's not what DEI means. It means diversity, equity, inclusion, and all of those people who got those jobs, a lot of white men, white women. A lot of those people, most of those people who got those jobs, not only deserved them, they worked twice as hard to get half as far as the other people who have been in those positions. Easily because they were like Katie, who was just white and blonde and there. So please, I know, even if you're being an ally to the cause, or you know, you, you believe, don't use DEI to chastise the idiots on the other side. Because the words still mean things. It means diversity, equity, and inclusion, and we were always equal, and, and most times far better, and had to be.

• 1:28:17Speaker 06

  All the time, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:28:18Laci Mosley?

  It's not even the supremacist thing. We had to be, because everybody's watching us, okay? And then, look, even the fact that they gave her a press tour after that speech that she did, that horrible, that horrible performance she did in, in, in the press corps room. After that, she went on a press tour, and it's like, no, they should have handed her her walking papers right when she caps off that podium.

• 1:28:35Speaker 06

  They should have interrupted her at the podium, like Apollo.

• 1:28:38Laci Mosley?

  If it was a black woman, they would have been in the sandman.

• 1:28:39Speaker 06

  You got to go. Cut the camera, cut the camera, deadass, deadass. Yeah, yeah, yeah, deadass, cut the camera.

• 1:28:45Laci Mosley?

  Turn it off, turn it off. No, shut the lights off, they can't, they can't see us. They can't see us.

• 1:28:50Laci Mosley?

  Yes, but, congregation, thank you so much for coming for a nice wild ride again. Brandon, where would you like to be found, anything you would like to promote, socials, all of those things?

• 1:28:59Speaker 06

  Absolutely, I would like to be found on Instagram at Ren and Kyle Goodman, and you can come to my show, Ho Church, if you're in LA.

• 1:29:03Laci Mosley?

  Ho Church.

• 1:29:04Speaker 06

  November fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth, and use the code scam.

• 1:29:07Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:29:07Speaker 06

  For fifteen percent off your tickets.

• 1:29:09Laci Mosley?

  And scam, that code will be in the footnotes, just as a reminder for y'all, but get a little discount on your Ho Church tickets. Y'all know we love an alternative church scam.

• 1:29:17Speaker 06

  Yes, so Ho Church, go on.

• 1:29:18Laci Mosley?

  You know you're gonna love this church.

• 1:29:20Speaker 06

  You guys have so much fun.

• 1:29:20Laci Mosley?

  Go worship, okay? Get your ho, ho, hos in.

• 1:29:23Speaker 06

  Ho, ho, holy.

• 1:29:24Laci Mosley?

  And now I know I'm definitely going to him, um, but.

• 1:29:27Speaker 06

  I'll see you there, girl.

• 1:29:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and, and for all of you, you can subscribe to the podcast. Please subscribe on YouTube as well. Give us five stars on Apple Podcasts. Do something nice for a black lady today. Yes, we need it, and it's free. Um, you can watch Scam Goddess on Hulu, and you can watch all my other TV shows and projects there as well. If you wanna follow me, D I B A L A C I, Diva Lacy, on all platforms. If you wanna see the photos from this episode, you can go to Scam Goddess Pod, that's where we post all the photos and all the clips from the episode. And you can watch full-length videos on YouTube. Congregation, I want y'all to get out there.

• 1:30:00Laci Mosley?

  Stay crediting, okay? Even if you don't have it right now.

• 1:30:04Speaker 06

  Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:05Laci Mosley?

  You got credit.

• 1:30:06Speaker 06

  Come on.

• 1:30:07Laci Mosley?

  Even if it's only a little bit.

• 1:30:08Speaker 06

  Even if it's a little bit.

• 1:30:09Laci Mosley?

  You got credit.

• 1:30:10Speaker 06

  The fact that you're alive means you got credit.

• 1:30:11Laci Mosley?

  Yes, the fact that you're alive means you got credit. You don't have to have the money all the time. As long as there's breath in your body.

• 1:30:17Speaker 06

  Ah, there's credit, honey.

• 1:30:18Laci Mosley?

  There's credit.

• 1:30:19Speaker 06

  Hey, hey, hey, my God. You say that, say that.

• 1:30:24Laci Mosley?

  Thank you so much, Brandon.

• 1:30:25Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 1:30:37Laci Mosley?

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• 1:30:52Speaker 03

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• 1:30:57Laci Mosley?

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• 1:32:16Speaker 04

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