Bonus Episode: Musical Sherpas and Spooky Sounds

This week in the After Party, Jake suggests some songs for spooky season and wonders if ChatGPT will replace the musical sherpas who guided us in our youth. Plus, we hear your stories about who turned you on to your favorite music. Next week we're bringing you an episode on Harry Houdini (with a side of Red Hot Chili Peppers), and Jake wants to know: what scary music do you play this time of year? What songs, bands or albums creep you out? Share your thoughts at 617-906 6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 129 - Bruce Springsteen Episode 29 and 30 - Grateful Dead Episode 212 - Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace Episode 89 - Black Sabbath To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:14Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more Disgrace Land in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgrace Land, the after-party.

• 2:40Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we're talking about our new episode on Pentagram. And we're rewinding back to our Cramps and Brandon Lee episodes for the spooky season, previewing next week's story on Houdini with the Red Hot Chili Peppers making a guest appearance as we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried.

• 3:25Jake Brennan?

  Disgrace Land is where I tell the stories they didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling to someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:42Jake Brennan?

  All right, before I put these after-party episodes together, I usually do a quick cruise of the internet, just to see if there's any music news breaking that's worth talking to you guys about. This morning, I came across this headline, "Spotify Integrates Into ChatGPT to Bring New Music Recommendations." And it made me vomit in my mouth, but it also made me think of our new full episode, where the character of Teddy Pentagram gloriously recommends to our two young metalheads the awesomeness of his favorite band, Pentagram.

• 4:17Jake Brennan?

  My, how far we have come from those days of searching out the cool dude at the record store to turn you on to the music that you needed to know about. Instead of stoned record store clerks and cool older siblings and parents who knew their way around the, the cool section of their record collection, we now have artificial intelligence bots turning us on to new music. It was always gonna come to this, guys. It was all, it was bound to happen and it's here. Somehow this is more egregious to me than AI creating music, because that feels like something that I'll be able to safely ignore.

• 4:58Jake Brennan?

  This artificial intelligence recommendation technology, it feels like something that's gonna quickly become normalized. It already is. I mean, this is essentially what Spotify's been doing with their playlist for years, but now with ChatGPT and language-based AI, it's just going to explode, become totally normalized. And I gotta say, like, I just feel bad for future generations. The thrill of discovery, that sense of danger, that feeling of being special, all those emotions that you got when your musical sensei, when your vinyl shirpa, when your rock and roll Obi-Wan Kenobi played you Black Flag for

• 5:39Jake Brennan?

  the first time, or explained to you what Led Zeppelin's deal with the devil was all about, or passed down a Grateful Dead bootleg cassette that they got from like a cool person in their neighborhood or whatever, made you swear not to tell your parents that he or she was gonna let you listen to Straight Outta Compton. All that will soon be completely gone. A dead ritual from the past, like checking your messages on an answering machine, or making a mixtape for a girl or a guy that you got a crush on. It's all gone. It's already gone, but it's really about to be just dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead,

• 6:18Jake Brennan?

  Our question of the week coming into this after party was who turned you on to music as a kid? And we're gonna dive into your answers later in the show, but I read this shit about chat GPT and Spotify recommendations and it just made me go, you know what, fucking, I just, I just want to talk, I just want to talk about music with these guys today. I just want to recommend stuff. That's all I want to do. I want to talk about cool shit. And I'm going to do recommendations with Zeth later in the show in the exclusive section. But in the meantime, right here, I'm gonna, I'm gonna frame this around Halloween music and recommend music to you guys, old school style, analog style, just gonna open up a discussion right here, right now, that'll prompt some talk about a certain type of

• 7:03Jake Brennan?

  music. And then, like I said, later in the show, I will dive in more fully with Zeth and give you specific recommendations. But I want to just be open here and just, just talk about the stuff that I'm vibing on right now. It's October and there's a specific type of music that I think we all get into in October. I certainly do. My wife and I, we've been hosting these October dinner parties now for a couple of years. We, we had it a week early in, at the end of September this year. That's not the point. The point is that I've had an epic mix going on since about 2022 with great fall slash Halloween music. Now with this mix with this playlist, I'm not trying to give haunted house vibes

• 7:48Jake Brennan?

  with the mix, but I am trying to give Donnie Darko dinner party vibes. Okay. So I want to look at this great Halloween music from the perspective of a list that I found on Rolling Stone of, you know, what they recommend in this genre, in this area and line it up against my mix. Okay. And then, like I said, Zeth and I will come in during the exclusive section of the show and we'll give you like three just banger recommendations each on stuff that you're, you're probably not going to find, I don't think anywhere else. I mean, some of you, I'm sure will have heard of some of this stuff, but we're trying to, you know, pull you under the covers with us here. First, A sampling of the track listing from my Halloween playlist.

• 8:32Jake Brennan?

  I'm not going to give you the whole thing because it's just too damn long, but here's a taste. Diamonds and Rust, Judas Priest, Joan Baez cover. It's a fucking great song. The Killing Moon by Echo and the Bunnyman. There's that Donnie Darko dinner party vibe at its best that I was talking about. Gimme Danger by The Stooges, just sounds spooky. Don't Fear The Reaper by Blue Oyster Cult, because we need the, the classic mom and dad from the seventies are breaking up vibes. We need that peppered in. Fascination Street by The Cure. Are we having sex or are we freaked out, Robert Smith? I don't know what's happening. Explain it to me. Wolf Like Me by TV on the Radio. You are the protagonist in your own horror movie here with this song, so run. Season of the Witch, but the Lana Del Rey version, because depending on the day, I either love or hate Donovan.

• 9:16Jake Brennan?

  Attack of the Ghost Riders by The Ravenettes. Hurdy Gurdy Man by Donovan, because the movie Zodiac made me love this song, even if I do hate Donovan on some days. My Girlfriend Is A Witch by October Country. Murder in the Red Barn by Tom Waits, just to make sure everyone at the dinner party isn't getting too comfortable. Werewolves of London by Warren Zevon, because his hair was perfect. You Make Lovin' Fun by Fleetwood Mac. I don't know, I find that tune haunting. London Dungeon by Misfits, because, you know, London Dungeon. Evil Woman by Black Sabbath. Evil Woman by ELO. Wild in the Streets by Garland Jeffries, because city kids get to celebrate Halloween too. And of course, 96 Tears by Question Mark and the Mysterians. And The Ripper by Judas Priest. That's two Judas Priest songs already, if you're counting. Venus of Avenue D by Mink Deville.

• 9:59Jake Brennan?

  And I could go on and on and on, but I will not, this list does not quit. But let's look to Rolling Stone Magazine and their list of 25 songs that are truly terrifying. Now, I'm not going to give you all 25, but I'm going to give you a smattering, because this is a pretty incredible list. It's from 2019, I don't know if that's why. I find Rolling Stone to be insufferable these days, but you know, they, they really came to with this. They brought it here with this list, alright? I want to get into some of these songs with you guys. Okay. At 25, number 25, they have a song called Murder of the Lawson Family by the Carolina Buddies.

• 10:40Jake Brennan?

  Now, I've heard this song. This story is the, the story of this song is the basis for our Derek and the Domino's Beeline story about the slaughter of the Lawson family by their patriarch, Charlie Lawson, on Christmas Day. So this tune is more of a Christmas song for me than a Halloween song. I've never heard this version, though, by the Carolina Buddies. I have heard other versions that are, are, you know, they're not very, they're not spooky because it's kind of old timey waltz, country, blue, bluegrass. The subject is scary, but the vibe isn't. I think it's the, the, what is the time? Two, four? What is Walt's time? It just, it doesn't spook me out. Okay. So, but whatever. I mean, I credit Rolling Stone for having this tune because

• 11:25Jake Brennan?

  the subject matter is as Halloweeny as it gets. Anyways, next on the Rolling Stone list is another old timey country song, Louven Brothers by Knoxville Girl, which to me scares the hell out of me every single time. There are other versions of this song that are great, most notably the Lemonheads version, which I love, totally different. There are certain artifacts from my past where if I didn't consume them, I don't believe I would be talking into the microphone with you right now. You know, reading Helter Skelter by Vincent Buliose, as bunk as I think that book now is, but it led me on this path and so did this song by, by the Louven Brothers specifically. Knoxville Girl, it's one of the, if someone asked me, what's a murder ballad?

• 12:08Jake Brennan?

  This is the song I'm playing for them. They've got, Rolling Stone has The Doors, The End, which I love, but this is the wrong Doors song for Halloween. You need to have Riders on the Storm.

• 12:23Jake Brennan?

  As your doors tune for your Halloween playlist. It's so spooky. It's so cinematic. Zeth and I, for the all access members, you're going to hear about this in a little bit more detail when we get into it, but Zeth and I spent all last night with the cameras on, the microphones on, talking about Riders in the Storm by The Doors and Billy "Cockeye" Cook, the Killing Spree juvenile delinquent hitchhiker from the 1950s. If you want to know why we were doing that, again, see in the exclusive section of this after party. Next on the Rolling Stone list, this is great because this is one of those songs that I know and I love and I listen to often and I just for whatever reason, never thought

• 13:08Jake Brennan?

  to put it on my playlist of great Halloween tunes, great spooky season tunes. And it is Leonard Cohen's Avalanche. I love this song. I love it. I love it so much from Songs of Love and Hate. Great, great album. I don't know why, man. When I'm, you know, when I got one, when I got one going, when I've tied one on and it's late at night and the wife's asleep and I'm still roaming around the house looking for shit to do. This is one of those records I put on and I just kind of, you know, do my thing. This one, in this context, however, Avalanche, the song, check these lyrics out.

• 13:53Jake Brennan?

  "Your laws do not compel me to kneel grotesque and bear. It is your turn, beloved. It is your flesh that I wear." Woo hoo. Old Leonard was on a heater with that one. Fucking great tune. Love it. Can't wait to put it on my list. Suicide's Frankie Teardrop, another great song. I feel like I talked about this recently with you guys. That's on the list. Of course, Springsteen's Nebraska.

• 14:21Jake Brennan?

  You can't talk about scary shit without talking about this song. I, I still remember hearing the closing lines of this tune and being chilled to my core. And this, of course, just to give you a little context, Charlie Starkweather, and this is true, he said this, he's on trial for his life after, you know, one of the first serial killers, if you want to call him that. And Springsteen says about Starkweather at trial, these are the lyrics, "They declared me unfit to live. Set into that great void, my soul be hurled. They want to know why I did what I did. Well, sir, I guess there's just a meanness in this

• 15:05Jake Brennan?

  world." Oh, crushing, chilling lyric. Also on the list, great tune, PJ Harvey, Down By The Water. Fucking great, great. Scott Walker, Farmer In The City, I don't know this song, maybe you guys do. And I'm, I'm talking about it here because I'm hoping, I'm hoping one of you guys out there who's a Scott Walker fan can point me in the right direction. Where do I start with Scott Walker? I want to know. Okay, Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds, Song Of Joy, this should be on my list. It's from his Murder Ballads album. I'm sure you guys, Nick Cave fans, you know this tune. We're gonna do a Nick Cave episode soon enough.

• 15:50Jake Brennan?

  Tom Waits, What's He Building In There? My wife and I always joke about this song because in our very first apartment together in Arlington, Massachusetts, in the Heights, in Arlington Heights, with the Soshes, we had finally moved away from the greasers and we were living in the Heights and this dude behind us had this house. This fucking guy, man, they couldn't have made a horror movie character better than this guy. He was something else. I, you know, short in stature and he only came out at night and he always seemed to be dressed for winter, even if it was the summer. And I shit you not, this guy, he lived right behind us. Like, I fucking kid you not, he wore surgical gloves

• 16:33Jake Brennan?

  all the time and we never knew why. He freaked us the fuck out. He's probably responsible for us moving out a year before we should have, but we would always just, we'd see him, we'd come in the house, we'd be like, what's he building in there? And that's from that Tom Waits song. Solid, solid list from Rolling Stone. Zedd and I are gonna have more non-AI-generated spooky music recommendations for you guys in the exclusive section of this episode. Recommendations that I promise you, you are not going to be able to get anywhere else. So stick around for that if you're an All-Access member. If you're not an All-Access member and you want exclusive content like this every month, you want ad-free listening on all DisgraceLand and Hollywoodland

• 17:15Jake Brennan?

  episodes, if you want behind-the-scenes content, if you wanna talk to me and Zedd and your fellow DisgraceLand listeners, your fellow music obsessives daily, you wanna talk to us in the chat, well, now is the time to sign up. You're gonna get everything that I just mentioned for only $5 a month. The cost of one cup, the cost of one cup of coffee a month, guys. But that price, it's gonna go up before Halloween. All right? You can sign up now on Apple Podcasts or on Patreon. And, and, and, if you sign up on Patreon in the next two weeks, you're gonna get a pretty significant discount on your membership. Okay? But that offer, that one's gonna expire on October 21st. So now is the time to sign up so you don't hear any ads like this one that

• 17:58Jake Brennan?

  we got coming up. Right now, I will be back in a flash with your voicemails and texts.

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• 18:47Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 19:56Jake Brennan?

  All righty, this week we dropped our episode on Pentagram in the feed for all of you as our newest full episode. Coming up right after this, our Rewind episodes, direct for the spooky Halloween heads out there. We've got The Cramps and our episode on Brandon Lee and the Crow. Next week on Tuesday, our next full new episode will be on Houdini with a special appearance in that episode by the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Okay, keeping with our haunted October theme, I want to switch it up as it pertains to the question of the week. I want to stay on this topic of scary as all hell music. I want your songs that spook you out.

• 20:39Jake Brennan?

  I want to know the records that give you the creeps. I want, you know, we talked about, you know, who are the people who turned us on to music as little kids? You know, what records are you guys playing for your little sister, for your friend, who, you know, your cousin, your kids, whatever, just kind of creep them out? I remember playing Night Prowler by ACDC for my sister when she was probably, well, 10. I was probably 15 and scaring the shit out of her. What spooky music are you, are you vibing on in October? Hit me up 617-906-6638. Let me know. Voicemail, text. Let's lean into this spooky music this month, okay?

• 21:22Jake Brennan?

  To match all the spooky stories we got going into the feed. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. Let me know what songs, what records, artists and bands gave you the songs, the tunes, the records that give you the good kind of creeps. All right? And we'll get into it all next week. I'll play your voicemails. I'll play your texts right here. Last week's question of the week was, who was your musical Obi-Wan Kenobi? Who was your Sherpa? Who turned you on to great music as a kid? Hanging on the telephone this week right now with the 816. Hey, regarding the question about our musical Sherpas of the past, number one would be my big brother, obviously.

• 22:05Jake Brennan?

  But another huge one for me and all my friends was the state videos from, especially from the 90s, before they had to worry about music rights. We heard about tons of punk and hip hop acts, but I mean, Even got into stuff like Public Image Limited and Stereolab, even like Herbie Hancock and stuff. Just so much great music and stuff you don't just stumble upon in your day to day life. Gets used in skate videos and they're a great source to this day. So, all right. Thanks. Thanks for the pod and keep up the good work. Love this. Love that you bring up skate videos. Such a great portal for incredible music.

• 22:48Jake Brennan?

  Skaters just had the best fucking taste, man. I, I never skated as a kid, but I hung out with skaters. On Instagram, I did a little video and I mentioned one of my musical sherpas growing up. This guy from Clinton, Mass named Dan Thomas, who was an older skater kid who let me borrow these records, turned me on to the Circle Jerks, Bad Brains. And I mentioned that I wasn't sure if I ever returned the records, knowing fully that I, that I didn't. Just one of those things. I didn't steal the records. I just, you know, Dan got busy. I got busy. He never got his Circle Jerks record back. And, you know, whatever. I'm a dick. I admit it. Anyhow, his girlfriend, I haven't seen Dan in literally like three, four decades,

• 23:31Jake Brennan?

  like forever. Decades I haven't seen him. And I don't, he doesn't even live in Clinton anymore. Neither do I. His girlfriend saw the video, got in touch with me. It was like, Dan wants his records back. So I'm going to work on getting them back for him. And a little something else too, some, some Disgrace Land merch. But Dan was of course a skater. This is way before skate videos and all the great, very eclectic, those skate, skate videos from the nineties as, as the 816 mentions, eclectic music. Great taste, great taste. All right. Let's check out this voicemail here from the 619.

• 24:11Jake Brennan?

  Yo Jake, this is Jeremy again. Thanks for playing my voicemail last time, but.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  The pentagram episode was fucking brilliant. And it's funny that it started getting some recognition before being shut down finally. But as far as the person who influenced me, uh, would be Cliff Cunningham from the local band Social Spit. He used to work it off the record. And that guy used to basically turn every local punk rocker onto some great, great music. I actually did a podcast with him on my podcast. Uh, my podcast is the Union and Metro podcast.

• 25:02Speaker 05

  And we talked with him about his music and then working it off the record and influencing others by letting them know what to buy. So, thanks again, brother. Hope all as well. And I will talk to you soon. I gotta dig up this cactus, so I gotta get back to work.

• 25:24Jake Brennan?

  Again, again with the local punk rockers and the local skate kids turning us on to music. Thanks for your message, six one nine. Appreciate you. Uh, Matt, play the seven eight one.

• 25:35Speaker 05

  Hi Jake, this is Kelly from the seven eight one. Um, I haven't been in touch in a little while. I've had like a rough few months, but I was just talking about who influenced you musically question and that would be my big brother, which is Frank, Francis. Um, and he passed away in May, but I thought of him instantly when you said that because he really was, uh, he was a guitarist and so he had like two Marshall half stacks in his room and like his friends all over playing, you know, had a band, different bands, whatever. I just distinctly remember hearing Metallica one. That's the first time I ever heard it from him. He got me into all of that, you know, Metallica led Zeppelin.

• 26:20Speaker 05

  My dad got me into Beatles on Jondo, the way he pulled that. I could sing Rock Your Home when I was eight years old. But definitely my big brother influenced me in regards to music because he was a musician and, you know, had all musician friends and so, yeah, that's, that's how I got into that. Now I just like everything, but wanted to call in, check in with you, haven't talked to you, haven't called you in a while, or texted. And.

• 26:45Jake Brennan?

  Still love the show, obviously. Keep it up, rock and mola. 781, my condolences to you. Sounds like Francis had some, some great taste and I hope you're doing okay. I hope you're doing all right. Hope you're getting through this time. I just, you know, for what it's worth, I can hear the Massachusetts in your voice and it brought a smile to my face and it made me feel a little homesick and I'm actually heading home this weekend. I'm really excited about it. Thanks for getting in touch, 781. Uh, let's, uh, go, let's do some texts, guys. Just a reminder, 617-906-6638. Voicemails and texts that I want to hear from you on for next week are going to be, uh, what is

• 27:27Jake Brennan?

  the spooky music that gets you going? The records, the songs, the artists. All right, let's do this text from the 530. Hey, Disgrace Slam Crew, I'm catching up on the October 1st bonus episode. My friend Derek was solely responsible for getting me into punk rock and hardcore when I was 12. He introduced me to bands like Dag Nasty, Youth of Today, Uniform Choice. List goes on and on. He also mysteriously disappeared and was found dead in a California desert in August of 2021. At the time, there were swirling stories of what happened, traveling fast by wire. And many of us suspected foul play, but no cause of death or autopsy were released, to my knowledge. And I'd still like to know

• 28:09Jake Brennan?

  exactly what happened, but may never know. His spirit remains close to 530. I'm sorry for your loss. Sounds like your friend Derek had some great taste in music. A horrific story. That's awful. All right, let's go to the 416. 416 text in, hey Jake, thanks for shouting out, "On the Corner, Miles Davis record. I think his fusion is underrated. When I got back from Jamaica, great trip, toured Marley's Estate in the mountains, ganja rasta tour, drank Steel Bottom, and got a private tour of Johnny Cash's secluded estate. When I got back..." I set my Instagram reel of street photography pics from rural St. Anne's to

• 28:51Jake Brennan?

  Dubop by Miles. It slaps. I use it as my wake up song now and it always makes me smile. Rock-a-roller. You know, 416, I'm very happy to hear you say this. I love it. When we're recommending stuff, just talking about music and people are as hyped on things as we are. It's part of why, it's why we do it. I think, you know, my favorite thing in the world, literally, is to talk about music. So keep it coming. 617-906-6638. You can also email me, [email protected]. Polly McCracken writes in, my musical Sherpa, my cool Aunt Judy. Judy turned me on to the Grateful Dead when I was a kid. She was my mom's little

• 29:33Jake Brennan?

  sister, the fun aunt, my favorite person ever. And we got along so well because she was so cool and let me do things my mom would not. And I could, I could talk to her about anything. Sounds like you had a great one there. Polly, with your Aunt Judy, thanks for getting in touch. I gotta shout out my Aunt Tracy, who listens to Disgrace Land religiously and who still is turning me on to awesome music. She gets me new records, her new record every, every Christmas. And it's, it's always fantastic, which reminds me, I still have that canned heat John Lee Hooker album that she got me this past Christmas that I have to fully dive into that I have not. I'm on it, Tracy. It's happening. All right. You guys want to email

• 30:13Jake Brennan?

  you, [email protected]. You want to call me, 617-906-6638. You can leave me a voicemail. You can send me a text. You want to hit me up on social, you can do that too, at disgracelandpod. And just a reminder, the question of the week, I want to know what spooky music you are recommending for this Halloween season. Right now, I'm gonna take a quick little break. I'm gonna drink a little tea. I'll be back in a flash.

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• 31:14Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 31:46Speaker 05

  Hello, hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. Imagine your business depends on a system you didn't build and don't fully control. For years, it works perfectly. It's fast, reliable, affordable. So over time, more and more of your operations rely on it. Then one day, the terms change. What once felt flexible now feels difficult to leave. Moving to another provider or bringing those capabilities back under your own control could take years, cost millions, and disrupt the business in the process. That's the challenge of digital sovereignty. Businesses today rely on all sorts of third-party systems:

• 32:28Speaker 05

  cloud platforms, data pipelines, AI models, software tools. Most days, these systems operate quietly in the background. But when something changes, like Costco up or rules shift, organizations are forced to confront how much control and flexibility they actually have. So to understand

• 32:49Jake Brennan?

  Stand the challenge up close. I traveled to Paris to speak with IBM's Ana Paula Assis and acts as CIO Giovanni Doniello, two people who think about these questions every day. Hear the full conversation at ibm.com/smarttalks or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 33:18Jake Brennan?

  All right, Matt, give me the ticker. I want to eat my crow right away. I want to get into this. Let's hit it. This 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds is once again sponsored by Five Hour Energy's new pumpkin spice flavor, your favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot available online at fivehourenergy.com or Amazon. Listen, it takes a real man to admit when he's wrong. Teach this to my sons all the time. Couple of weeks ago, I sat down in front of this very microphone and I told you all how Drake May was at best Drake maybe and that he wasn't the real deal, that that maybe McCaffrey was better, that Drake didn't look like he

• 34:01Jake Brennan?

  had any sand, like he couldn't hang in the NFL, like the Pats were headed toward a season of mediocrity at best. Well, I'm here today to tell you flat out that I was wrong. After that performance on Sunday night in Buffalo, I am convinced this dude can play. I am also convinced Mike Vrabel can coach. I think both these dudes have intangibles that lead to winning. Yes, I'll say it right now, intangibles that lead to championships. I'm not saying we're winning anything this year, but I am saying we've got winning in our future. And I think even a playoff appearance this year. That's right. I said it. I was wrong, but I'm happy about it. You know why? Because we have the two things you absolutely need to win in the NFL right now in New England. That is a real coach and a real quarterback

• 34:42Jake Brennan?

  who can ball out. All right, Matt, more of a mea culpa rave than a rant. I know I didn't do well, but just let me know where I came in on the buzzer. Let's see here. Minute eight, Jake. Not too bad. You know, I don't care. I don't care that I didn't beat the buzzer. We beat the Bills in Buffalo, baby. That was the sports rant sponsored by five hour energies new pumpkin spice flavor. These new pumpkin spice five hour energy shots are fall in a bottle and bring that classic pumpkin spice flavor that we all know and love. Our favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice five hour energy shot available online at five hour energy.com or Amazon. So every Wednesday, Dr. Zeth Lundie from the Presley Memorial Hospital graces all

• 35:25Jake Brennan?

  of you with his film and cinema knowledge in the Hollywoodland feed. Here's a little of me grilling Zeth on what he's got cooking in the rap party bonus episode this week and why you should be subscribed to Hollywoodland for the finest in true crime and Hollywood podcasting. Okay, what are we going to speak to? I wanted an update on rap party because I'm not gonna, I don't know that I'm traveling this week. I don't know. Just fucking bring me in. What are you talking to the people about? Let me know. What's up?

• 35:50Speaker 06

  Pretty interesting stuff, actually. There was, I basically opened the rap party asking the question, are movies dead? Which is a question that people ask all the time, at any given time in movie history, I guess. But it's kind of come back in the conversation because the director Ridley Scott, just a couple of days ago, was giving a talk in somewhere in England and his son was like asking questions. He took questions from the audience and someone asked him about what kinds of movies he was watching. And he basically said that he's watching his own, his own movies, because they're so great. Because we are drowning, he says, I think it's the quote is, we are drowning in mediocrity, that only 5% of movies that are made are any good. And so, before I posed

• 36:35Speaker 06

  this question to the audience, I actually like went back in time. I picked a year arbitrarily from the 80s and I sort of did a very unscientific look at the number of movies that came out of that from that year and clocked them against what I would just very quickly deem as being a great movies. And the percentage rate is pretty much the same. It was like a 5 percentage rate, the same thing that Ridley Scott was talking about.

• 36:56Jake Brennan?

  What year did you go back to?

• 36:57Speaker 06

  89, 1989.

• 36:59Jake Brennan?

  So you went back to 1989?

• 37:01Speaker 06

  And I, according to the IMDb, there were at least worldwide.

• 37:06Jake Brennan?

  600 movies made that year. There were more than that, but I didn't have enough time to keep going and find. So there were at least 600 and I quickly identified at least about 20 that I thought were great, which was a 3% rate. And then I said, if we just doubled this rate and made it 40 out of 600, that's still a 6% rate. It's still about the same. So you took Ridley Scott's theory that only 5% of films made today are actually any good. You went back to 1989 and you tested it against the films that were made then. Yeah. And you determined that basically it was the same percentage of good films, just 5% made back in 1989. Very unscientific view of it. I think it was just, there was more to choose from.

• 37:49Jake Brennan?

  So there are more great films, but there's also hundreds of more shitty films because movies were just such a bigger deal back then. Right?

• 37:59Jake Brennan?

  All right. That's Hollywood land. That's the wrap party. Make sure you're subscribed to Hollywood land on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts on Tracy. I'm talking to you. Listen, guys, don't forget the question of the week this week. Which evil, spooky, dark, what musical madness are you digging into in October? I want to know. I want to update my playlist with your recommendations. Call me 617-906-6638 and let me know. Leave a voicemail. You'll hear yourself here in the after party. Send me a text. I might read it right here. And I respond sometimes too, to the text. You might get a text late at night. Who the fuck is this? It's me. I don't know.

• 38:42Jake Brennan?

  Sometimes I do that, you know, sometimes I answer it here. Sometimes I answer it there. Who cares? One way or another, you're getting an answer. I think, I hope, we try. Listen, if you want more on the recommendations front from Zeth and I, and trust me, you do. You're not going to want to miss out on these recommendations. They're coming up right now in the exclusive section of this after party. Go to Patreon and sign up or just go if you're Apple podcast listeners, go to Apple podcasts and sign up. It's five bucks a month. You know, you can buy a beer for five bucks. Can you, can you, can you dip into the, the old wallet there for, for one more beer, one more coffee per month? You're going to get that content and you're going to support this show and believe me, we appreciate it. All right. Here we go.

• 39:34Jake Brennan?

  Oh, man, we mentioned a ton of great musicians in this episode, musicians with incredible stories. Grateful Dead, Elvis Presley, Bruce Springsteen, The Doors, Black Sabbath. We've got episodes on all these artists. We also mentioned Judas Priest, The Cure. We've got episodes for these guys in the pipeline. You're gonna hear this Judas Priest episode this month. The Cure, you're gonna hear early next year. Mentioned Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave. Gotta do episodes on these folks. PJ Harvey, we should do a PJ Harvey episode next year, for sure. Matt will have the episode details in the show notes of this after-party

• 40:18Jake Brennan?

  for you, so you can quickly find those Dead, Elvis, Springsteen, Doors, Sabbath episodes. And you can just get to listening, all right? But right now, it's time. It's time to recap. Number one, this week's full episode on Pentagram is available in your feed right now for you to check out. Number two, we're rewinding with two spooky episodes this week, one on The Cramps and one on Brandon Lee and The Crow. Those are gonna be in your feed right after this after-party. Number three, next week, on Tuesday, our episode on Houdini with, like I said, a little bit of chili pepper sprinkled in there. Number four, on

• 40:58Jake Brennan?

  Hollywoodland right now, Anna Nicole Smith. Number five, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us digging into the dark corners of music history, so keep calling, keep texting with your answers to this week's question of the week, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Number six, don't forget Discos. This isn't just content, it's a community, a community of the obsessed. And no one cares about music, books, records, and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do, and well, that's a disgrace. All right, Pentagram's excellent album, Relentless, was released in February of 1985, and here is what America was listening to right at that moment. Number one, Careless Whisper, Wham!, featuring George

• 41:43Jake Brennan?

  Michael, last week, three weeks on chart, nine.

• 41:48Jake Brennan?

  Number two, I want to know what love is. Foreigner, last week, one. Peak position, one. Weeks on churn, eleven. Number three, Easy Lover, Philip Bailey, featuring Phil Collins. Last week, two. Peak position, two. Weeks on churn, thirteen. Number four, Loveable, Billy Ocean. Last week, four. Peak position, five. Weeks on churn, twelve. Number five, Method of Modern Life.

• 42:34Jake Brennan?

  Quit talking and start mixing. Cut it! I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 43:09Speaker 03

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• 43:22Speaker 04

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• 44:05Speaker 04

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