Bonus Episode: Music and Monsters

This week in the After Party, Jake is thinking about monsters – the fictitious kind and the kind that are all too real. Plus, we hear more spooky stories from you and get your recommendations on scary music. Next week we're bringing you an episode on Judas Priest and the Satanic Panic of the 1980s, and Jake wants to know: who is your favorite heavy metal band? Share your thoughts at 617-906 6638, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 89 - Black Sabbath https://www.disgracelandpod.com/089/black-sabbath Episode 24 - Spade Cooley https://www.disgracelandpod.com/024/spade-cooley Episode 22 - Big Lurch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/022/big-lurch To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is exactly right.

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• 0:43Jake Brennan?

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• 2:15Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:42Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. Our mission to uncover the truth, to confront the myth, to reclaim the story. On this bonus episode, we are talking about our new episode on Houdini with the Red Hot Chili Peppers making an appearance. We're rewinding back to our Norwegian black metal and misfits episodes for the Halloween season, previewing next week's brand new episode on Judas Priest, talking about one of the worst humans ever right now, a crap singer from a crap band. And we get into your voicemails, texts, DMs, and as always, a whole lot of

• 3:23Jake Brennan?

  Rosie. This is the podcast for the musically obsessed, the outsiders, the independent thinkers who know that the best history is the history that gets buried. DisgraceLand is where I tell the stories I didn't want told, the kind you'll end up telling someone else. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:53Jake Brennan?

  All right, this prison, it holds criminals so notorious, they call the prison "The Monster Mansion." It's filled to the brim with predators, the worst of the worst, serial killers, cannibals, rapists. The criminals are too depraved to be held in general population. Yes, for fear of what they'll potentially do to others, but more out of fear of what will be done to them. Now, there's a hierarchy in all prisons and England's Monster Mansion not only holds the worst of the worst, it also holds the lowest of the low.

• 4:33Jake Brennan?

  And this is where Lost Prophet's ex-singer, the convicted pedophile Ian Watkins, was murdered last week. On the morning of October 11th, as the cell doors were unlocked and the prisoners were allowed to move about, two prisoners ambushed Ian Watkins in his cell. One of them stabbed Watkins in the neck with a shank, reportedly hitting his jugular. Blood went everywhere, spewed violently, quickly covered the cell.

• 5:11Jake Brennan?

  The alarms blared and for a minute, chaos ensued before guards got control of the situation. The bloodshed was described by a source on the scene as horrific with blood everywhere and that the event was, quote, "shocking even by prison standards." The 47-year-old Ian Watkins was quickly pronounced dead. His two attackers were apprehended. His fans, his groupies, yes, he still has groupies, even young ones who still correspond with him in prison. His ex-bandmates and his victims, we haven't heard from any of them.

• 5:55Jake Brennan?

  Aside from a fairly narcissistic ex-post from Lost Prophet's guitarist, We Gaze, using this occasion of Ian Watkins's death to lament the downfall of their band from 13 years ago, due to, of course, Ian Watkins's depraved crimes.

• 6:16Jake Brennan?

  In 2013, Watkins pleaded guilty to attempted rape and sexual assault of a child under 13. He also pleaded guilty to three counts of sexual assault involving children, to six counts of taking, making, or possessing indecent imagery, and one count of possessing an extreme pornographic image involving a sex act on an animal. One of this dude's victims was a two-year-old boy, a two-year-old boy, the son of one of his girlfriends, a woman that the singer once texted saying, quote, "If you belong to me, so does your

• 7:00Jake Brennan?

  baby," unquote. Let that sink in. There's been a reason that I haven't covered this story. A lot of you have written me before. I get an email about this every couple of months or so and have for years. And I hate this shit. I really do. And it's so dark, it's so depraved that, you know, I've done, I've done similar episodes in the past, as you know, on some really dark stuff. And, you know, when you're researching it, you're just in it, in your fucking head, man. It's like, it takes a beating, your soul takes

• 7:42Jake Brennan?

  a beating. It's tough for me, and I know everybody's different. It's tough for me to have my head in places like this, deeply in places like this for long periods of time. And, you know, for some, it's not. You know, it's funny, I was, I got this buddy who's an ex-New York City cop, and I was talking to him a couple of weeks ago. And he was just, you know, I asked him, you know, we were at a party and things had kind of lightened up and we were getting, we were getting heavy on some stuff. And I asked him about some of the worst things that he'd seen when he was a cop in New York. He retired very young.

• 8:28Jake Brennan?

  And, you know, I'm not going to repeat what he told me, but the fact that this guy's not traumatized by it is just, it's, it's astonishing to me that some people can compartmentalize these types of experiences, this type of information. And again, everybody deals with it differently. And a lot of you have asked me to cover this horrific story and I haven't done it. I always planned on doing it though. And I'm, I'm, I'm now going to for sure. Now that there's a real ending here, I'm going to get into it. But it's so dark. And especially that, that quote gives you a taste of how dark it is. If you belong to me, so does your

• 9:09Jake Brennan?

  baby. Just a special kind of evil. During the investigation into Ian Watkins's crimes, authorities got a hold of his laptop. And they figured out that his login password was I fuck kids. I mean, a senior investigator assigned to Watkins's case said that Ian Watkins was, quote, potentially the most dangerous sex offender he'd ever seen. I mean, I don't

• 9:50Jake Brennan?

  know how I'm going to tell this story, but I'm going to. I want to know more about why he was killed. There's no word yet on why Ian Watkins was murdered. Now, many are assuming that it's, it's prison justice. It's back to what I was saying earlier about the hierarchy in prison, you know, convicts cleaning out the lowest of the low from among their ranks. However, in 2023, not that long ago,

• 10:19Jake Brennan?

  A couple inmates took Ian Watkins hostage in jail and beat and tortured him for six hours. Now, this had nothing to do reportedly about Ian Watkins's crimes, the crimes that led him to jail, the abuse. It was reportedly over a drug debt. Ian Watkins was an addict. He's got a lot of experience in and out of jail with drugs. So I don't know why he was killed. I don't think anyone does right now as of the recording of this episode, but we're going to find out. And we're going to do an episode on this and we're going to find a way to do it that isn't completely sensationalized.

• 10:58Jake Brennan?

  And it gets to the evil at the heart of this singer from the band Lost Profits. Details are still emerging from this case. You know, as we get them in, we'll start putting this together, putting the research together on, like I said, Ian Watkins from Lost Profits, disgraceful crimes in a full episode soon. This is one of those stories, as I mentioned, many of you have recommended even before Ian's death. And there's of course, a lot about this story that is hard to digest. But I don't know, I just, I believe it's important to cover the worst of the worst.

• 11:40Jake Brennan?

  And this is one of those reminders this Halloween season that true monsters walk among us. Ian Watkins from Lost Profits is about as disgraceful a musician that I've come across in all of my years doing this. He deserves a special place in whatever the hall of disgrace is. He's up there with the worst of the worst, like I said, up there with the Spade, Cooley's, Big Lurch. Truly a bad, bad man, an absolute monster.

• 12:14Jake Brennan?

  And that's, you know, that's part of the whole, this whole season, this whole Halloween thing that we're doing. There's the fun side of it. There's the sort of comic book side of it, the Freddy Krueger, Jason Voorhees side of it. And then there's the, the real evil side of it. And we know what side of the street this Ian Watkins story is on. I want to kind of slowly start to turn the ship now toward the more fun side of the street here because, you know, it's just a better hang. Like I said, monsters, this guy was a monster. Monsters, they come in all shapes and sizes. The real life monsters like Ian Watkins and the make believe kind, the less literal, the more literary types

• 12:58Jake Brennan?

  of monsters that happen to be more fun when this month rolls around. The ones that are fiction in the horror movies that we watch. And yes, in the songs that we listen to, especially during the Halloween season. Now, this has been a big topic around here, these parts, scary music, spooky music, I should say. We did, we did a bunch on it last week. We're going to take a different road into, into that subject today. Similarly, but not, not that different, but not exactly the same either. Kind of running with this theme of, of, of this monster theme here. Zeth and I will be ticking through some music recommendations of our favorite monster songs in the exclusive section of this episode

• 13:41Jake Brennan?

  in a bit. And I promise you that our recommendations will be tunes that you've likely never heard. We're not going to be recommending the Monster Mash or Godzilla by Blue Oyster Call, even though I love both of those songs. You're going to be getting tunes that will make great additions to your October listening routine. And like I said, it'll be real monster fare, both literal and literary. Okay. Tunes that you're not going to get anywhere else. Tunes that will pull on your Gen X heartstrings. Okay. Tunes that will make you long for an era long gone, an era you are either part of and miss dearly or missed and want to feel like you were there and want to live in it. These era monster music recommendations.

• 14:26Jake Brennan?

  That's what I'm talking about. Songs about the worst of the worst from the 1990s. Coming up in the exclusive section of this after party. But you've got to be an all access member to listen. That's currently just $5 a month to become a member on Apple Podcasts or Patreon, less if you nab that Patreon promotion that's currently running. In reminder, this $5 a month cost is going up in a couple of weeks. So get in at just five bucks a month now while you can. And not only nab extra content like this, but also ad free listening. All right, I'm going to take a break and I'll be back in a flash with your voicemails, texts and emails.

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• 15:46Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 16:17Speaker 06

  Hello, hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. Imagine your business depends on a system you didn't build and don't fully control. For years, it works perfectly. It's fast, reliable, affordable. So over time, more and more of your operations rely on it. Then one day, the terms change. What once felt flexible now feels difficult to leave. Moving to another provider or bringing those capabilities back under your own control could take years, cost millions, and disrupt the business in the process. That's the challenge of digital sovereignty. Businesses today rely on all sorts of third-party systems: cloud platforms, data pipelines,

• 17:02Speaker 06

  AI models, software tools. Most days, these systems operate quietly in the background. But when something changes, like costs go up or rules shift, organizations are forced to confront how much control and flexibility they actually have. So to understand the challenge up close, I traveled to Paris to speak with IBM's Annapola Assis and acts as CIO, Giovanni Daniele, two people who think about these questions every day. Hear the full conversation at ibm.com/smarttalks or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 17:52Jake Brennan?

  Yes, yes, yes. Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back. This week, if you've been dialed into your Disgrace Land feed, you heard our episode on Houdini with a freaky-styly guest, appearance by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, and an exclusive mini-episode on Slipknot's experience in the same haunted Houdini home. Patreon and Apple subscribers, they got the mini-app. Did you? All right, coming up next, after this episode, we are continuing our romp toward All Hallows' Eve with classic creepy-crawly rewind episodes this week on the Norwegian black metal scene and also on one of the Greatest bands to ever do it, The Misfits. Next week, coming at you, those leather clad Birmingham defenders of the faith, The Mighty Judas Priest.

• 18:36Jake Brennan?

  Our new episode on Priest, the band's origins, the relationship to the whole Satanic Panic thing that overtook North America in the eighties. How the band got roped into that disgraceful PMRC dealio with Tipper Gore and the suicide pact lawsuit that threatened to ruin the band. That and, and, and a whole lot of hot leather daddy action that you're not gonna wanna miss in our next episode on Judas Priest, coming up next week in your disgrace land feed. Now, when you're listening to this episode on Priest, I want you to be thinking about, well, this is an easy one. I wanna know who, in your opinion, is the greatest metal band of all time? And I wanna know why, okay? Judas Priest, part of the first generation of great metal bands, along with Black Sabbath.

• 19:20Jake Brennan?

  And this episode deals with the question of who the greatest metal icons, who were they? Judas Priest, in my estimation, is definitely one of them, but are they the best? Are they better than Black Sabbath? Can you give it to them over Black Sabbath? I don't know. I, yeah, we'll talk about it more next week. 617-906-6638. Call me, send me a text, leave me a voicemail, and let me know who your metal icons are and, you know, why you love them, what they do for you, how they make you feel, how you relate to their music, their lyrics, their heaviness, how these bands, these artists compel you. I wanna know, heavy music, I have a special place in my heart for heavy music, and I know a lot of you do as well.

• 20:04Jake Brennan?

  And even if you're just one of these fly by night, heavy music fans, like, whatever, like, you're into what you're into, and it's not heavy, and who gives a shit, right? Hall & Oates is cool, even though they're not heavy metal, right? So you're at the football game or whatever, and you know, just that song comes on by Metallica or by, I don't know, I don't know, I mean, Ozzy, whoever it is, right? But it gets you going, right? Hockey fans, you know what I'm talking about? That Audioslave song comes, I can't stand, I don't like Audioslave, but if I'm at a Bruins game and Audioslave comes on, I'm like, alright, I'm listening. What's the music that does that for you? The heavy music? Let me know. 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. All right. Speaking of calling me, I'm in the phone booth right now. It's the one across the hall.

• 20:47Jake Brennan?

  I'm hanging on the telephone, which means it's time to hear from you guys on last week's question of the week via your voicemail and text. And that question was, which songs spook you out? Which tunes give you the heebie jeebies? What music is must-listen for you around this particular time? This season? The spookiest time of year? The 520 writes in, hey Jake, first time writing in. It's Halloween, so I haven't heard you even mention the genre of Psycho Billy. The perfect mix of campy spooky Halloween rockabilly. Check out Necromantics, Horror Pops, and Coffin Cats 2.

• 21:28Jake Brennan?

  Well, listen 520, we just dropped last week, I know it's not strictly Psycho Billy, but we just dropped our Cramps episode in the feed. A little rewind taste for you. Go check that out. All right. Obviously, there's a Psycho Billy connection there, and I'm pretty sure we do an okay job of explaining that connection in the episode. Haven't listened in a while, but it's available for you at the top of your feed, that Cramps episode. Go check that out. Give it a spin. 412, has nobody mentioned Frankie Teardrop by Suicide as the scariest song ever? If not, consider it mentioned. Scary as fuck. So scary, I can't listen to it all the way through. I may also be a punk ass bitch, though, so there's that, too.

• 22:08Jake Brennan?

  412, you know, I read punk ass bitch, and I guess, you know, it kind of makes sense with Frankie Teardrop, but I was like, hey, those are harsh words. And then I scrolled up here in the text thread history. You've texted a couple times, and I was like, who's this dude writing punk ass bitch? And it appears...

• 22:33Jake Brennan?

  From this earlier text where you say, what's up Jake? It appears you're a woman. Okay. 412. Okay. I mean, I'm not going to quibble, I guess with your, you know, if you're saying punk ass bitch. Also appears that you're Pittsburgh Pirates fan. Yinzers, what's up? How did so many of you end up in our audience? I don't know, but I love it. Keep it coming. 775 writes in, say, since you have two Judas Priest songs on your list of great Halloween songs, why not make it three? Beyond the realms of death from staying class is one of my all time fave priest tunes. You're going to hear all about staying class in this Judas Priest episode 775 that we've got coming your way. Next week, 816 writes in garage.

• 23:16Jake Brennan?

  They're making fun of my voice. It's okay. You want to make fun of someone with a, someone's accent? Is that, is that cool? Is that what we're doing now? Discos? My kid, make fun of me all you want. Terry Sadler emails us. Subject terrifying tunes message in every home, a heartache by Roxy Music. Psycho by Eddie Noack. Genie's afraid of the dark by Dolly Parton and Porter Wagoner. The best rock-a-rola Terry. Terry, thank you. Terry's terrifying tunes. I love this. I love this because I only know one of these songs. I know Psycho, if it's the one I'm thinking of.

• 23:58Jake Brennan?

  I know the Leon Payne, Elvis Costello one, you dig am psycho, don't you mama? That one. I'm guessing that's the same one because it feels like you're on a country tip here. You got every, in it. Well, I don't know. Every home, in every home, a heartache by Roxy Music. I don't know that tune. And you know, I was, I actually heard a Roxy Music song this morning, came on randomly. And I thought to myself, I need to, I need to listen to more Brian Ferry, more Roxy Music. So I appreciate this genie's afraid of the dark by Dolly and Porter. This sounds awesome. No idea what this is, but it sounds like, yeah, I kind of know, I know where they're going with this. That's so, that whole country politen, kind of, we're going to get scary on you here.

• 24:40Jake Brennan?

  Someone's dying. That's all I'm saying. I bet you someone died in genie's afraid of the dark. Terry's terrifying tunes. Appreciate the email. Guys, you want to email me [email protected].

• 24:52Jake Brennan?

  You want to hit me up on the socials? That's at DisgraceLandPod. Marissa Delgado writes in, "Hey Jake, longtime listener. The best spooky band of all time is Queens of the Stone Age. Have you listened yet to Live at the Catacombs? It's dark, wet, drippy, spooky, and haunting, and they are keeping rock and roll alive." And I wrote back to her, "I'm husband yet, but I need to." Thank you. "Was listening to Queens yesterday at the gym, and I think I hurt myself." That's a true story, ladies and gentlemen. And Marissa went on to say, "Get the vinyl, light a candle in the dark, and listen to it loud. It's like you can hear the spirits." All right, Marissa, I dig that. New York City hardcore

• 25:32Jake Brennan?

  legend Gavin Van Vlak writes in, "Halloween song, Bela Lugosi's Dead, Bauhaus." I gotta admit, and I admitted it to Gavin, Bauhaus is a, it's a whiff for me, man. It's a black hole in my, my musical knowledge. I know I've heard this song before, but I can't say that I'm familiar with this whole thing. Gavin also recommended Sisters of Mercy, Vision Thing. All right. Oh, and then Ghost Town by The Specials. Ghost Town by The Specials, I know we've got that record on. It's currently pulled out in our living room, sort of vinyl turntable area. It's not mine, though. It's my son's, and I didn't buy it for him. Got

• 26:11Jake Brennan?

  it himself. I like that. All right, let's check out this voicemail from the 480.

• 26:18Speaker 07

  Hey Jake, this is Jessica in the 480. Longtime listener, first time caller. Hopefully, I'm not too late for the after-party question about the spooky stories, but my house was very haunted. Lots of strange occurrences happened there. The worst one, however, was one time, my oldest son was about two or three years old, and I was measuring him against a growth chart that we had on the wall. And all of a sudden, he got this really scared look on his face, and he clung onto my leg. And I said, "Oh, buddy, what's the matter?" And he said, "There's a man." And I said, "What?" He said, "Right in the back of you." And there was nobody there and I completely froze and then ran out of the room.

• 27:02Speaker 07

  But yeah, definitely one of the more spooky occurrences there, but thanks again for a great pod.

• 27:07Jake Brennan?

  Thanks for the spooky story, Jessica. Happy to hear that everybody's all right. You want to send in more spooky stories, keep them coming. We were talking about that a couple of weeks ago, but you want, I love it. I'm here for it. That's what, that's what October's for. Keep them coming, guys. 913 texts in Sabbath forever. It's cruel and usual to ask such a broad question, but if there's a gun to my head, I'm blasting war pigs. Rest in peace, Ozzy. Thank you. Love the show, especially the Halloween episodes. Madison Miller, KCMO. I responded to Madison. I said, hey, you got it. Hope you dig the Judas Priest episode coming up on Tuesday. And then Madison responded, sorry, I think you might have the wrong number. I'm not sure who this is. Madison, it's Jake. It's

• 27:52Jake Brennan?

  Jake texting from Disgrace Land. Come on, Madison. Screaming Lotus emails us, [email protected]. I finally joined Disgrace Land's Patreon. I talk a lot about your podcast to my music students and have turned a lot of them on to it. You provide such a great source of music history. Thanks for everything that you do. I'm really happy to support your business and passion. See you on Patreon. Rock or roll a best Mike Moldy Aguello. Aguello. Aguello. I'm fucking up that last name. I know I am and I apologize, Mike. So I'm going to give you a little plug here. Mike's, Mike's emailing from Screaming Lotus Music Lessons. If you're in the 503, give Mike a, a little Google search there if you need some music lessons. Mike, we appreciate you and all the kind things you're saying and also your

• 28:36Jake Brennan?

  support over on the Patreon box. Mike's getting hooked up with ad free podcast listening, guys, and exclusive content like the conversations Zeth and I are going to be getting into fairly shortly. But right now, I'm gonna take a quick break. Back in flash.

• 28:58Speaker 05

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• 29:28Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

• 29:59Speaker 06

  I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of Smart Talks with IBM. I spoke with Dr. Laura Jayhai of Cleveland Clinic about how advanced computing is helping shorten the path from medical discovery to treatment.

• 30:12Speaker 08

  The moment that there is a compound that someone in a lab thinks it would be effective to treat a certain disease, it takes about 10 to 13 years from that moment to when that drug is on a shelf for a patient. A big part of that gap could be computationally solved. Better simulation of compounds, designing drug trials that are more efficient, that would finish faster. That was the motivation to bring computational tools and technology closer to biomedical researchers.

• 30:46Speaker 06

  Learn more about how Cleveland Clinic and IBM are using AI and quantum computing to revolutionize biomedical research at ibm.com/smarttalks.

• 31:06Jake Brennan?

  You know, I got almost 48 hours of sports fan bliss this week. The Patriots won. Drake May looked great with Mike Rabel. I'm convinced is the right coach. Watched up in, uh, up in the New England area back in my hometown. Sat in a big living room with my stepdad and my son and, and my brother-in-law and his family. Just a bunch of dudes from New England, sitting around watching the Patriots. I can't explain how fucking awesome that felt to do. I haven't done that in a while. Just, uh, you know, it was real shitty out. It was raining on Sunday. It was just, you know, that kind of made it even better. I don't know why it just did. It just felt very familiar to me.

• 31:49Jake Brennan?

  And the Pats won and it was fantastic. And I flew home and you know, now just, you know, I was walking through the world yesterday, thinking how great it was to finally have a football team that doesn't suck again. And, uh, just how, uh, you know, excited I am about this whole Drake May, Mike Rabel thing. And then bam, this morning, get hit with this Red Sox news. So listen, before I get into it, this 60 second sports rant in under 30 seconds is once again sponsored by five hour energy's new pumpkin spice flavor, your favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice, five hour energy shot, available online at five hour energy.com or Amazon. Matt, give me that ticker. You know, after the Red Sox ended their season, most every Sox fan sitting here going, we overachieved this year. All right.

• 32:34Jake Brennan?

  With this roster, this is super young team. This team has glaring holes that need to be addressed in free agency. The front office needs to bring in another pitcher, another starting pitcher, by the way, a stud, a real number two, if not a second ace, no sniffing around the margins with the ghost of Tommy John's triple A cousin. We need a real arm and we need a real bat. Just one more big bat. Go get us Pete Poler, Berhalanza, bring back Kyle Schwaber. And then, and then, and then we get this news this morning that Alex Bregman is most likely opting out of his contract and heading to free agency. So now the Red Sox not only have to have a stud. Pitcher and free agency come their way. They also got to get that big bat still.

• 33:16Jake Brennan?

  And then they have to re-sign Alex Bregman. I can tell you, can I pre-hate the Red Sox for something that they haven't done yet? Because I can almost all but guarantee you that this pathetic, yes, I said it, pathetic front office doesn't make all three of these moves. There's no way. At best, they'll make two. And if they do, I guarantee they're going to use those two moves to justify not making the third move. Because that's typical of this front office, Red Sox of the past decade, the way they work. They find ways to justify being mid. They find ways to spin us, the fanbase, into believing that they actually care about competing with the Yankees

• 33:58Jake Brennan?

  front office when they don't. They really don't. We're just a line item. We're a bigger part of a bigger business. It's going to be a long offseason. I'm telling you that right now. Just like this was a long 60-second sport rant in under 30 seconds. Matt?

• 34:14Jake Brennan?

  1:46 Jake. Yeah, well, them's the breaks. That was the sports rant sponsored by 5 Hour Energy's new pumpkin spice flavor. These new pumpkin spice 5-hour energy shots are fall in a bottle and bring that classic pumpkin spice flavor that we all know and love. Our favorite fall drink in an energy shot. You can pick up a pumpkin spice 5-hour energy shot available online at 5hourenergy.com or Amazon. Alright, so you guys know that the true crime is just our own unique way into music history with disgraced land. Same goes for Hollywoodland. True crime is just our lane in. It's our excuse to talk about music and to talk about movies that we love. Sometimes, though, we just want to talk about great music and great musicians

• 34:58Jake Brennan?

  and great movies and great actors and actresses. Okay, just because some great musician didn't commit some awful crime or have some awful crime happen to them, or some great actor or actress, you know, same thing, doesn't mean we don't want to talk to them. Alright, Zeth Lundie, Dr. Lundie to you and to me, over in Double Elvis's Hollywoodland feed, has been killing it lately with this ongoing conversation about Hollywood history that he's been having with you guys. You know this, assuming you're listening. If you're not, and you love movies, and you want a conversation on film history that you're not going to get anywhere else, and what are you waiting for? You need to subscribe to Hollywoodland. But anyways, back to what I was saying. We, Zeth, myself, and all you guys, sometimes we just want to talk about the music and the movies that we love, even if we don't have a crime angle.

• 35:42Jake Brennan?

  And since Zeth has started over in Hollywood land, he's had some pretty major icons die on his watch. Robert Redford, a couple of weeks ago, and most recently Diane Keaton. And Zeth, being the talented doctor that he is, has found this unique skill in paying tribute to these giants of the screen. If you want to hear what Zeth has to say about Diane Keaton, who, make no bones about it, was a giant talent, get on over to Hollywood land in whatever podcast app you use and hit subscribe. Here's a taste of what you're missing.

• 36:15Speaker 09

  I gotta take a second and talk about the late, great Diane Keaton, who we just lost a few days ago at the age of 79. Sometimes I actually forgot that her name was Diane Keaton, and we just called her Annie Hall, because her entire persona, her style, it was so entwined, at least in my mind, with that great role she played in the 1977 Woody Allen film, the film that earned her Academy Award for Best Actress. Her maiden name actually was Hall. She changed it to Keaton, which was her mother's maiden name when she joined the Union, and there was already another actress registered under the name Diane Hall. But Woody Allen wrote that role for her. And so I've got to think that the character was, in many ways,

• 37:00Speaker 09

  an echo of the real Diane Keaton, just like Woody's character, in many ways, is an echo of him. This was, of course, five years after her big break as Kay in The Godfather, a role she won out after Francis Ford Coppola auditioned something like 100 actresses. And this role, the role of Kay, is so different from Annie Hall. I mean, there's so much that Diane Keaton is doing in this movie, but doing it low key. I mean, the whole movie is in her face at the very end, when Michael lies to her, and then the door shuts on him as he's becoming the thing he never wanted to be, which is basically the devil. But it's all in her face, your entire understanding of what's happening, of what's just happened

• 37:43Speaker 09

  over the course of the two-plus hours, what's going to happen. You see her seeing this, and you're like, oh, fuck, it's one of the greatest non-verbal pieces of acting, of reacting, ever on screen.

• 37:58Jake Brennan?

  All right, that's the Hollywood Land Podcast. Make sure you're following on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaking of people and things that we love, I am stoked to get into this conversation with Zeth on the music from the 90s about the worst of the worst, the monsters, the slack demons, the creepers who give us the creeps. Ian Watkins' murder last week in the Monster Mansion inspired this drive down the dark side of the recommendations cul-de-sac, and I hope you are all signed up as Rock-a-Rolla members on Apple Podcasts or Patreon so that you can hear this exclusive content. As always, that cost is a mere five bucks a month, but that cost is going up before the end of the month. So now is the time to become a Disgrace Land All-Access member so you can hear at a

• 38:41Jake Brennan?

  reasonable price, of course, exclusive content like what we have coming up right now, as well as it being ad-free. If not, either way, see ya after the break.

• 39:04Jake Brennan?

  All right, aside from Black Sabbath, I don't know that we mentioned any artists that we've previously covered in Disgrace Land today. I guess that means that we're pretty forward-thinking, pretty forward-looking, I should say. Maybe it also means we need new episodes on Sisters of Mercy, maybe Portishead, Nine Inch Nails. If you don't know what I'm talking about, that means you didn't hear Zeth and I in the All-Access section. Matt will have the Black Sabbath episode details in the show notes of this after-party if you want to easily find that story. Right now, however, we are going to recap. Number one, this week's full episode, Houdini with a special appearance by the Red Hot Chili Peppers, is available for your listening pleasure at the top of your feed. Number two, also, there's a new mini-episode

• 39:48Jake Brennan?

  for All-Access members on Slipknot. Number three, Rewind episodes coming out right after this after-party on Norwegian Black Metal and the Misfits. Number four, next week, our new episode on Judas Priest. Five, Zeth's tribute to Diane Keaton in this week's Hollywood Land Rap Party, episode number six, 617-906-6638. Your voice keeps us Digging into the dark corners of music history. So keep calling, keep texting, get your answers into me on this week's question of the week, or with whatever, or with whatever else you want to talk about. Seven, don't forget this goes, this isn't just content. It's a community, a community of the obsessed. No one cares about music, books, records and the crime and grime. It ties them all together like you do. And well, that's a disgrace.

• 40:30Jake Brennan?

  All right, on September 24th, 1991, the ghost of Houdini's housemates, the Red Hot Chili Peppers, released their excellent album, Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magic with a K. Here's what America was listening to on that day, according to the Billboard charts. Number one, I adore me a more color me bad. Last week, two weeks on chart nine. Number two, good vibrations, Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch. Last week, six weeks on chart 10. Number three, Motown Philly, Boys to Men. Last week, four weeks on chart 15.

• 41:14Jake Brennan?

  Number four, things that make you go hmm, CNC for music factory. Last week, five weeks on chart 10. Number five, the promise of a new day. Last week, six weeks on chart 10.

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