368: The Epstein Files | Unpacking the Disturbing Emails & Allegations

The Justice Department recently released 3 million documents, 2,000 videos and 180,000 images tied to Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier and convicted sex offender connected to some of the most powerful names in the world. And the internet has gone into absolute overdrive. As the new files are made public, previously undisclosed details are fueling a tidal wave of viral conspiracies. Social media is dissecting every name and every redaction, with theories about cover-ups, code words, and hidden networks. In this episode, Annie is joined by Dr. Leslie Dobson to unpack the wildest allegations circulating right now.... If you’re new here, don’t forget to follow the show for weekly deep dives into the darkest true crime cases! To watch the video version of this episode, head over to youtube.com/@annieelise. .🔎Join Our True Crime Club & Get Exclusive Content & Perks..🎧 Need More to Binge? Listen to both of my weekly true crime series 10 to Life & Serialously with Annie Elise wherever you get your podcasts on the Annie Elise Channel!🍎 Apple Podcasts | Where you can also unlock access to 100+ and growing extra exclusive deep dives.💚 Spotify🔴 YouTube🎙️ All Other Platforms.📸 Follow Annie on Socials Instagram: @_annieeliseTikTok: @_annieeliseSubstack: @annieeliseFacebook: @10toLife.👗 Shop Annie’s Must-Haves! ShopMY: bit.ly/AnnieElise_ShopMy Amazon: bit.ly/AnnieElise_Amazon.🫵🏻 Get Involved or Recommend a CaseAbout Annie: www.annieelise.comFor Business Inquiries: [email protected]••••••••••••••••••🚨Disclaimers1️⃣ Some links may be affiliate links, they do not cost you anything, but I make a small percentage from the sale. Thank you so much for watching and supporting me. 2️⃣ Sources used to collect this information include various public news sites, interviews, court documents, FB groups dedicated to the case, and various news channel segments. When quoting statements made by others, they are strictly alleged until confirmed otherwise. Please remember my videos are my independent opinion and to always do your own research. 3️⃣ The views and opinions expressed in this video are personal and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of any other agency, organization, employer, or company. Assumptions made in the analysis are not reflective of the position of any entity other than the creator(s). These views are subject to change, revision, and rethinking at any time and are not to be held in perpetuity. We make no representations as to the accuracy, completeness, correctness, suitability, or validity of any information on this video and will not be liable for any errors, omissions, or delays in this information or any losses, injuries, or damages arising from its display or use. All information is provided on an as-is basis. It is the reader’s responsibility to verify their own facts.

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• 1:25Annie Elise?

  Hey, true crime besties. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialistically.

• 1:48Annie Elise?

  Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to an all-new episode of Serialistically. With me, your host, Annie E. Lys. And today, we've got a little bit different of an episode. You know, usually, we do headline highlights on Thursdays, where we talk about everything happening in true crime, case updates, things like that. But when I tell you, okay? The amount of DMs and comments and emails that I have been receiving over the past, gosh, maybe five weeks. When are you going to talk about Epstein files? When are you going to talk about this? When are you going to talk about that? What about Epstein? What about Epstein? And I'm going to be honest with you. I haven't had time to go through two or three million pages of files. I'm not going to act like I have. However, I know a lot of you want to know what

• 2:33Annie Elise?

  the hell is going on with the Epstein files. So today, we are doing a deep dive into the Epstein files. I have my Diet Coke right here and ready because it is going to be a long one. And I, look, I don't pretend to know what I don't know. And so I'm not going to act like I'm the expert in all things Epstein and the files and the emails and the Wayfair of it all, the pizza of it all. But that's why I have somebody here to help today. Now, before we get into the episode, I do want to give a warning. The material we are covering today is especially dark. It's a bit graphic and it is not an easy episode to listen to. I also want to mention, for those of you watching this on YouTube, you may want to, even if you're a video watcher, you may want

• 3:15Annie Elise?

  to pop over and listen to the podcast version instead, because the podcast version will be completely uncensored. Whereas, you know, in order to get it up on YouTube, we have to pull out and mute and censor a lot. So you may want to go pop over to the podcast to listen to that. And as a reminder, everything included in today's episode is alleged. There has been no prosecution for any of these crimes or for any of these accusations. Do your own research, form your own opinions. And you guys might be familiar with her, maybe on Instagram, TikTok, podcasting. I've had her here as a special guest before. But joining me today is somebody who has been covering everything relating to Epstein, the dirty things that have, you know,

• 3:56Annie Elise?

  gone on, the allegations. She has been working directly with Congress as well on the Epstein files. She is a forensic psychologist, knows everything there is to know about this. So, please join me in welcoming Dr. Leslie Dobson. Hi. Thanks for being here.

• 4:13Speaker 04

  I'm excited to have the space to talk about it.

• 4:16Annie Elise?

  Well, I know you've been like all over. Instagram, which you guys have to go check out her Instagram if you haven't already, because you are posting so much on there and exposing so much. And it's great hearing it from your point of view. I mean, you've been in this industry. You've worked with the worst of the worst. You are partnering with Congress. You have the files like your take is so incredibly important. So I appreciate you being here.

• 4:39Speaker 04

  It's wild because, you know, on Tik Tok, you know, I don't know what was going on. Tik Tok got overtaken.

• 4:46Annie Elise?

  They got like bought out or there was some weird thing where now everything is being filtered.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Right.

• 4:50Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  But then I, I go on, I do a little video about Epstein and the suctioning of baby's mouths, which we'll get into. And it's at six million views.

• 5:00Annie Elise?

  Cause people want to know. I think that's the thing. And that's where I'm at.

• 5:05Speaker 04

  I can explain it. Yeah. I mean, I, it's dark though.

• 5:07Annie Elise?

  It's very dark, but I think it's like, and I'm just going to speak for myself. And maybe this is going to come across the wrong way, but whatever, I'm going to just speak my truth. I've known about all of the Epstein stuff and like, you know, the allegations, accusations for years, all of us have, but when the files finally started being released and we were actually seeing things in black and white, there were certain things that I saw that to your point were so dark that I was almost kind of like, this is too unbelievable to even be real. But then, and which I'm not trying to doubt the authenticity, not at all. I believe it's real because then when you start looking into it, it is real. There is validation in a lot of those things. And so I've been debating if I wanted to ever go near Epstein Island with all of this because,

• 5:51Annie Elise?

  you know, it's like you get flagged, you get shadow banned, you get opinions and it very quickly turns political. And yeah, I just really want to know the truth. And I think so many people do. It is dark. It's scary to go there, but like, what is truly happening? Who's involved in like, what, you know, what the hell is going on? So I guess that's the best place to start. If you could break down to us, like based on everything that you're saying, what are some of the biggest things in those files that you have been able to confirm and validate as being real and not conspiracy?

• 6:22Speaker 04

  I mean, I think if if we look at it as an umbrella, there's many ways to look at it, right? This is massive. But this is an international money laundering, probably drug trafficking, definitely sex trafficking, child trafficking organization. It is international. If people didn't seek out to be a part of Epstein's world, then he would seek them out because of their power, their money, their wealth. And he would then use them. He preferred, I mean, there's tons of stuff about how he, he was super into fertility. He wanted to make like the perfect person, the perfect gene. And there's, this is why we have all

• 7:07Speaker 04

  these doctors named in the files, doctors that are still teaching right now at Harvard and Princeton and UCLA. Disgusting. In these emails to him, talking about ways for him to meet his mission, which was that he wanted to basically spread his seed.

• 7:23Annie Elise?

  Sick.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  His seed is still in a cryo chamber. There are, last year, there were receipts that they're being paid for. They're still there, embryos.

• 7:33Annie Elise?

  So he just wanted to procreate and like make a bunch of Epstein's all over the world?

• 7:36Speaker 04

  That, and he also had these, he was weird.

• 7:40Annie Elise?

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, he was.

• 7:41Speaker 04

  He was just weird, right? But he also had these ideas of like youth and like longevity and shape shifting. And that's where you get into these conspiracies. But literally in these emails, he's asking these doctors about what is the potential for this to happen? You know, can I freeze myself? Can I live longer? How can I use these amazing doctors to benefit these kind of conspiracy theories that he wanted? Right? And one of them, and it has not been substantiated, but the one that I have been really focused on has been cannibalism. And my focus is because I've worked with cannibals. Like, I know cannibals.

• 8:21Speaker 04

  I've done violence risk assessments on them. We study cannibals and our, and serial killers, right?

• 8:27Annie Elise?

  Which, actually, I want to pause really quick. Can you explain to the listeners? Because I'm familiar with Cannibalism because of certain true crime cases I've covered and psychologically what motivates people to do that because I think from an outsider's point of view they're like oh they are just they are sickos that like the taste of flesh which that's not necessarily always the reason sometimes it's like a consumption piece of it so can you explain from based on your work with cannibals what it is that typically or usually more times than not motivate someone to go down that avenue?

• 8:58Speaker 04

  You know you could probably break it up into three different cannibals one is more that sadistic they want to hurt and the reward is eating the body of the flesh one is more that they're psychotic and they're ingesting like in a lot of our serial killers they're ingesting the person because they feel like they can belong or be a part of that person or they have an internalized friend almost

• 9:26Speaker 04

  and then you've got the Jeffrey Epstein cannibalism which is which there are books about this for hundreds of years right elite people dining on human beings ordering them usually you don't see it in America right it's kind of like we have movies about this but they're ordering human meat and it's considered

• 9:48Annie Elise?

  Like a delicacy?

• 9:49Speaker 04

  It's a delicacy right it's the caviar of fish it's venison and what over time we've had these conspiracy theories of pizza gate like that pizza means children and we have all these different words that people use and I have lots of lists I can always provide anyone who wants them as you go through all of these emails you see around 2010 2012 when the pizza gate was really becoming active and like people were talking about it the code words in the emails literal emails of Epstein

• 10:24Speaker 04

  Bill Gates, like these are known entities starting to talk about jerky.

• 10:30Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  And so, and then they're talking about the intestines of babies. They're talking about cream cheese. They're talking about the taste of, of formula or breast milk within the intestines of babies. And so you literally, I think the most obscene part of all of this is you have these names that you once thought were so incredible. Writing these, I have to say, like major typos and major grammatical errors as well.

• 10:59Annie Elise?

  I was gonna say, some of the emails, I'm saying like, what's with the equal sign everywhere and like with not being-

• 11:04Speaker 04

  That's the conversion. I think that's the FBI's-

• 11:06Annie Elise?

  What's going on here? Can billionaires not type? I just can't figure it out.

• 11:09Speaker 04

  No, I think that's the, um, the conversion that the FBI used the software they used.

• 11:14Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  I don't think it's any type of a code.

• 11:16Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  But what you will see is you'll see a famous person's name and then you'll see a preference like baby, minor, teen.

• 11:25Annie Elise?

  And are they outright saying the age or are they using code through the, because what I had heard, and you tell me if this is true or not, that going back to the pizza gate conspiracy, that now people are starting to think that there was actually validity in that, that it wasn't just a conspiracy and that when they would order, call it a small, medium or large, the inch size based on the diameter of the pizza really equates to the age of whoever they're trying to order, so to speak.

• 11:51Speaker 04

  I think it's both and it could be the age of who they wanted to rape. So it's also the, the sexual offenses, right? Like, and I don't know, it's what's not clear too is did they say what they want? Or was Epstein and the people working for him thinking this is what this individual would like should they come?

• 12:11Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  Because he preyed upon very rich, famous people as well.

• 12:15Annie Elise?

  So that kind of brings me to my next point. You said that early on is that he would prey with the powerful, the wealthy, because it was almost as though he wanted to extend favors or luxuries to them so that then he would have leverage over them. I think that's how he ended up becoming the hedge fund guy or whatever he was, that one guy, he would became really- Friendly with Wexler, the guy who owned, what was it limited to or the limited?

• 12:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:38Annie Elise?

  And so because he would meet all these very powerful people and rub elbows with them and be like, "Hey, come to my party, come to my island, do this," or then sneak in, "Here's this underage girl, "Here's this, now I have leverage over you, give me all of your financials, I'm going to manage your portfolio now," and things like that.

• 12:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:55Annie Elise?

  Okay, so that was kind of his MO.

• 12:57Speaker 04

  He was grooming them.

• 12:58Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 12:59Speaker 04

  Um, but I think they were using him.

• 13:00Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  And they didn't care and they were horrible, disgusting people.

• 13:04Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:05Speaker 04

  And then you have, you know, I like to say, you know, we can't make, it's not everyone, right? It's not everyone that's involved. We can't generalize small moments.

• 13:16Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 13:16Speaker 04

  But a lot of people were forcing themselves on young, young girls. We have pictures of babies, we have pictures of a girl that she probably looked seven or eight. People were sending in photos, hoping that Jeffrey Epstein would take them.

• 13:34Annie Elise?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  I mean, these, we're, we're talking about, you know, orphanages, we're talking about parents literally reaching out, we're talking about our, our own kids getting their photographs at school.

• 13:44Annie Elise?

  Oh, through Life Touch.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  And that being sold to the Epstein estate.

• 13:49Annie Elise?

  So can you break that down? Cause I, I'm not sure if everybody who's listening or watching this is familiar with that, but it's the company Life Touch.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:57Annie Elise?

  They used to take my school pictures when I was in middle school. They are like a huge company. It's like the Mecca that goes to all the schools and takes all of the photographs of the kids. And what happened with Life Touch?

• 14:07Speaker 04

  Well, so, and this is where people are, people will fight back all the time. They're going to say conspiracy, conspiracy. And what people mean by conspiracy is you're linking too many things together that aren't related, right? We can't link it all together. We can link this. Leon Black owned all of these companies. These, they were sending the photos, there are receipts and payments. They were sending the photos of all the kids that Life Touch took pictures of, the yearbooks to Epstein. Now, what did they do with them? We don't know, right? A lot of it's redacted. My assumption is that they were offered as a menu of gender and race and looks.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Because again, Epstein wanted certain people to reproduce and certain ones not to. But he also wanted to offer a menu to people for the type of person or the type of child they wanted to abuse.

• 15:03Annie Elise?

  And then was Ghislaine like the curator of that and the gatekeeper?

• 15:07Speaker 04

  So with Ghislaine, she was actively, I mean, she did a fucking TED Talk. Like, okay, on water. But she was actively driving around, oftentimes with Juan, one of the house managers. And she was looking for young girls, teenagers. I mean, they didn't adolescents. I mean, she wasn't like straight up looking for babies, right? And she was inviting them in to model and to come to the island. And then that's when they would be offered these careers.

• 15:38Annie Elise?

  Doing the massages and doing, yeah, where it would then start escalating. They were in the fold and it would go. And I think that's what a lot of us had heard years ago. Yeah. Back when he was first thrown in prison and when everything happened.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  But that's nothing compared to what we see now.

• 15:52Annie Elise?

  Well, and so I was gonna ask, I know you're working with Congress on some of this. And as of just last week, things are getting unredacted. Have you seen some of the unredacted documents?

• 16:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:02Annie Elise?

  And what does that, some of that illustrate?

• 16:04Speaker 04

  That the highest people in our government and our administration and almost every other country are named and involved as well.

• 16:13Annie Elise?

  So why is nobody being arrested? Because it's only accusations at this point.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  In America.

• 16:19Annie Elise?

  What do you mean?

• 16:20Speaker 04

  Other countries are arresting people.

• 16:21Annie Elise?

  They are?

• 16:22Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 16:23Annie Elise?

  So who's being arrested in other countries?

• 16:25Speaker 04

  The Sultan who was responsible for the torture email. Like, did you torture her? He, I don't know if he's actually being arrested yet, but he stepped down from being his, what a billionaire financier. A pilot in a different country, I can't remember all the countries, was arrested, taken straight off the airplane.

• 16:47Annie Elise?

  Oh.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  But what's happening, which I think is fascinating, is that if our US government won't fully unredact things. Other countries will.

• 16:57Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Because they can still subpoena the same Epstein estate that we did.

• 17:01Annie Elise?

  And there are a lot of people in the United States who have been stepping down as of the last couple of weeks. It was like the CEO of Chuck E. Cheese, he stepped down. And look, I think that, and you may have touched on this a little bit, too. You have to pick and choose what is not, that's the wrong way, not what is real in files, but also like what somebody's level of involvement and knowledge was because just because somebody is named in an email, if they were invited to a party or an event, doesn't mean necessarily that they knew the inner workings, that they even went to the event. And I think sometimes we're in a place where so many people say like, if your name pops up once, you must have known where it's like, no, he knew everyone. He was

• 17:42Annie Elise?

  inviting everyone. However, that being said, there are a lot of threads where it's like, there is direct involvement. And if people are willingly stepping down and not pushing back and saying, well, I didn't know anything, this and that. Obviously, there is some level, in my opinion, at least of guilt in that. Otherwise, if I if somebody like if my name showed up in one email where they were like, Annie, do you want to come to a movie premiere? Like Epstein's inviting you from like 2016, which would have been post first conviction, and I wouldn't have gone, but just throwing it out there. And if I was like, yeah, I'll go or no, I won't go. That wouldn't necessarily mean I had direct knowledge of what was going on in his house, the parties, the island. Again, that was post conviction. So that could

• 18:23Annie Elise?

  be argued 100%. But my point is, I don't think anyone who has ever crossed path paths with paths with him at some point necessarily knows the extent of what was truly going on. That feels like not that it was a select few, because I think it was way more than a select few, but it does feel like it's more of a bubble, kind of.

• 18:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I think everyone knew he was a sex offender, but that also doesn't mean that, I mean, we just had Mike Tyson on Netflix doing a fight. I mean, he's a sex offender. Like I, there are so many people that we still platform as sex offenders. It's just become okay.

• 18:57Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Right? We have sexual allegations against our own president. Like, so it's normalized in a sense where people would then think it's not a big deal to attend.

• 19:08Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 19:08Speaker 04

  But it's, it's the people that were going and that were asking for things, or asking to go again, or asking what the dinner menus were going to be. And there is a lot of, as we move forward in the post 2012, I think there's a lot more coding and code words that are put in because people knew eyes were on him and they didn't want to be caught.

• 19:31Annie Elise?

  So let's talk about some of that. And for those of you who are only listening to this episode and not watching, Dr. Leslie brought her computer. She's got it fully up in front of her. She's got all of her information, all of her documents. So let's walk through what some of the big takeaways are that everybody is talking about, that I know you have posted about that are kind of, and a warning, this is very graphic and it gets very dark and unsettling, but what are some of these big things now that have been uncovered since this release?

• 20:01Speaker 04

  And I say this with, I'm a forensic psychologist. I, I base my entire world in research and science. I add 50 to 150 articles to prove things before I say them, right? And so when I say these things, it's because I've seen the patterns of behavior occur throughout history, throughout research, and now in, well, I've probably gone through hundreds of thousands of these emails. I've turned, I've converted the images all into videos myself. I've been trying to just learn how to hack this shit. I've lined up with hackers who are helping me. You know, they put all the files into what they call a Gmail. And so you can search the files easier now.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  We have all caught the DOJ taking files down that were once up and everyone's kind of curious why. They definitely underestimated the capacity of, of all of us and what we were capable of doing with their poor redactions. Cause if you remember the original redactions, you could just copy and paste the PDF into a word and the black box went off and you could see all the names. Well, now they didn't do that. So now you can't take the black box off, but some people actually can.

• 21:10Annie Elise?

  Yeah, there's so much software and tools out there that you can, absolutely.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  And then they have all these images up, but the images, you literally pull up on justice.gov/ebstein. You've got the EFTA number and it has .pdf. Take out PDF and put in. MP4, it turns into a video.

• 21:30Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 21:31Speaker 04

  One in particular will be the video of the night he died.

• 21:36Annie Elise?

  Really?

• 21:37Speaker 04

  It is cut. There is about 23 seconds missing.

• 21:42Annie Elise?

  Okay, so we are, I do know that there was a piece of, a chunk of the video missing and I remember that from quite a while ago. Let me ask you this, and this part, I just want to be clear with everybody, is, we're going into conspiracy land for just one second, just for this question, and then we'll go back to reality. Do you think that Epstein is alive?

• 22:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:01Annie Elise?

  You do?

• 22:01Speaker 04

  I do.

• 22:02Annie Elise?

  I know a lot of people think he's in Israel right now.

• 22:04Speaker 04

  Um, I saw those pictures. I don't really know.

• 22:06Annie Elise?

  I don't think that's him.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  He did have a plastic surgeon, which is in the records, coming frequently to his estate after 2016. So, I don't know. Why was a plastic surgeon there? He did have medical issues. Someone said there was a tumor. He had doctors coming often.

• 22:22Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  So was he changing his face? I don't know.

• 22:25Annie Elise?

  Well, he would have had to change his face, his face after release or after the death, which, again, like, it sounds crazy to some people, but it's not.

• 22:35Speaker 04

  It's crazy.

• 22:35Annie Elise?

  It's not impossible. It certainly is not impossible. When you have that many powerful people trying to cover something up to scoot someone away, although you would hope that, like, you just kill him and be done. And if that were the case, like, why isn't Ghislaine?

• 22:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:49Annie Elise?

  Dead.

• 22:49Speaker 04

  Because she's our fall girl.

• 22:51Annie Elise?

  Well, and I want to get into all of that, because I know she's pleading the fifth. And like, when I saw that video last week, I lost my mind, just like the arrogance on her when she refuses to talk. And it's because she's working out her own sweet deal. I get it. I get how it all works, but it's just like, it is unbelievable to me. I just want street justice to take wind.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that's why I think you say, you know, this isn't political. You're like, the biggest proponent for locking her up right now is Nancy Mace, I think. She's very conservative, right? This is hitting. Once they are seeing the actual files, I mean, a lot of the congresspeople have been like, I don't know if I'm gonna look. I don't know if I have time. They don't even know what the hell they're doing.

• 23:33Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  Yet they're voting on stuff related to this. They're voting, but they don't, they haven't even taken a moment to look. So it's not political in a sense that it's...

• 23:45Speaker 04

  Democratic versus Republican, it's more just this kind of cultish group that doesn't want to believe what is actually out there to be seen.

• 23:54Annie Elise?

  Because it's too dark to believe, I think, for a lot of people. And it's too unbelievable. But you made a good point, and I've seen a couple of people on social media say that too. They're saying like, it's not even about right and left anymore. It's about like humankind and doing the right thing and holding the people accountable who did the wrong thing and coming together in that way and not having such division. Which, maybe that's just a fairy tale for right now, but hopefully it is somewhere.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Maybe it will bring us all together.

• 24:19Annie Elise?

  Maybe it will. So, sorry, I sidetracked a little bit. Let's go back a bit. So what are some of the biggest bombshell findings that you have seen in the files that you have uncovered?

• 24:30Speaker 04

  Yesterday was pretty monumental for me, and I know some people have already covered it, but I read the journal entry of one of the trafficked victims. And it basically is, it's a little bit of poetry. It's written in, she has it written in code. But she basically describes over a short period of time, pregnant three times. And describes each time the baby was forced out of her. One baby was four pound, 10 ounces.

• 24:59Speaker 04

  It did not seem like she was in delivery. It seemed like they were inducing her. She described it as having to, you know, when your tummy hurts and you have to push. She used the word tummy. She was baby.

• 25:12Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  And so she described, you know, basically it didn't work out the first time and Epstein was really mad. There was a lot of screaming and he said, don't worry, we'll get it done in a couple of months. And then she said, he was right, in a couple of months, there were two pink lines.

• 25:27Annie Elise?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  So he was doing IVF or raping these girls. And probably a lot of others. So. That, that was horrifying to me. And then the part that really got me was that Maxwell was there the whole time covering her eyes, saying, "Don't look." But each time she did look, and she would see the baby's hand or the baby's foot.

• 25:48Annie Elise?

  Oh, my God.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  And she said that she would hear the baby cry. Now, this is the part where you can say it's conspiracy or not. I don't know. Each time, these girls were allowed to hold the baby for 10 or 15 minutes and give them the initial, what do we call it, breastmilk?

• 26:03Annie Elise?

  Like latching the colostrum?

• 26:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, colostrum. Why were they allowed to hold that baby for 10 to 15 minutes? And then the baby was taken, and they never saw the baby again?

• 26:15Speaker 04

  Where are all these babies is a really good fucking question.

• 26:18Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 26:19Speaker 04

  So that's where you get into this idea of, well, there are many books on cannibalistic rituals of that being a very, I don't know, very hormonal, very, it can give you youth if you eat intestines when that, what is it called again?

• 26:37Annie Elise?

  Colostrum.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  Colostrum is present in the intestines. Also, so we have that, but also, we have, we have abortion-like rooms everywhere Epstein was. We have abortion specialists, doctors.

• 26:52Annie Elise?

  And this is proven?

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Oh, yes. The emails are, "When they're coming, I need you." The emails change over time. The names are, are in line. She names Dr. M. There's a Dr. Mark Landon that was brought to the island frequently. He's a fertility specialist. The names all line up. Virginia Giuffre said in her book that he was absolutely obsessed with fertility. You know, he still has his cryo chamber and his sperm active today. But what changes a lot is that they start asking to go to the dentist a lot. And then the dentist starts to come to them. And everyone needs a dental cleaning. And he wants to see photos before and after

• 27:33Speaker 04

  the dentist. These are abortions. Now, and this sounds, again, so, so wild, right? But in my experience, 20 years with criminals, these are words they use. They don't, they know, right?

• 27:46Annie Elise?

  Well, you've worked with some of the worst of the worst, and I know we didn't do a ton of your background in the beginning of this episode, but just to give the listeners a little bit of context too, you have worked with some of the worst sex offenders out there. You've worked in the prison systems. You have been on so many court cases. I mean, so this is something that you have seen and lived with and worked with for years in your everyday life and your husband as well.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:13Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 28:14Speaker 04

  And I've consulted with the FBI. I've consulted with CIA. I worked in DC.

• 28:22Speaker 04

  I also have the ability to say, this is too far. This is too conspiracy, right?

• 28:27Annie Elise?

  So will you kind of self-regulate and check yourself when you're like going on a path? Once you're reading all these files, I would imagine sometimes you start going down the rabbit hole a little bit and you're like, oh, I need to check myself. Like it's going too far. Are you able to like?

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:39Annie Elise?

  Catch yourself pretty quickly with that?

• 28:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. And it's because things are, so my level of realism is very different than other people because I have literally sat and talked to a guy who had brain matter in his pocket.

• 28:52Annie Elise?

  What?

• 28:53Speaker 04

  Like that was just, I had a therapy session with a guy in prison and he had killed his cellmate and he thought that literally that was the way to hide it. This, the part of the brain that had splurged out.

• 29:03Annie Elise?

  He just had it in his pocket?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, but you know, prison guard, like they're thin, right?

• 29:07Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  I literally thought he was orgasming.

• 29:10Annie Elise?

  Wait.

• 29:13Annie Elise?

  Hold on, hold the fuck on, okay? He had brain matter in his pocket. Why did you think he was orgasming? Cause he was like.

• 29:22Speaker 04

  Cause I could see the moisture starting to.

• 29:24Annie Elise?

  Oh, oh.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  To bleed.

• 29:25Annie Elise?

  I see.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Or not bleed, but.

• 29:26Annie Elise?

  You saw like liquid in his pants?

• 29:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:28Annie Elise?

  God, okay. I thought you meant like by his.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  No, he wasn't a, I couldn't see his penis or anything, but he, I could see moisture like on, on his thin, khaki outfit. And he went back to his cell. It was a very like shallow, superficial, like, I'm not sure what happened. I'm not going to call him out. It's not entirely safe to call anyone out.

• 29:49Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  And then, well, they just came and handcuffed him because he had just killed a cellmate.

• 29:57Annie Elise?

  So you've seen it all.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  Like, yeah, so, but what criminals know that they need to hide.

• 30:03Annie Elise?

  Yeah, so they use code word, they do things, which that's kind of another question, and I'm actually going to put on my notepad to ask you after, because I don't want to derail too much. So you had said there were these termination rooms, there were, where are these babies? Then that leads us into the cannibalism piece of it. How people not only view it as a delicacy, but that you will have not like, you know, unlimited life, but like it will enhance your life. It will, you'll be an enlightened being, almost like a cult or something if you consume that.

• 30:31Speaker 04

  Right, it's, um, you know, what is it called? Adrenochrome, like he was, these researchers are, I mean, they're incredible researchers, right? They are teaching at Princeton and Harvard and UCLA. But he was using them for dark things. And now, do they know that? Did they know?

• 30:48Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 30:49Speaker 04

  I don't know. But one of the biggest things was that when you eat, usually when you eat raw human brain, there's a virus you can get. The bacteria, I think, is called prion, okay? And it gives you, this is where you can call me a conspiracy theorist, I don't know, prove me wrong, it gives you a disease called Kurru, K U R U.

• 31:11Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Now, the doctor that was frequently coming, who taught at Harvard and had his assistant, who's now a world renowned professor at Princeton, he wrote an article in 1998 on prions and Kurru. And his primary focus was trying to slow down the, the degeneration of the brain when you have these, when you have Alzheimer's, when you have diseases like this.

• 31:36Annie Elise?

  But the argument could be that he was studying the brain and he just wanted to know the effects, rather than he took part in anything. But then, coincidentally, he was frequently going to the island and working with Epstein.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 31:48Annie Elise?

  Got it.

• 31:49Speaker 04

  And then you have other doctors, to the point of inviting Epstein over when they knew their children were having sleepovers.

• 31:59Speaker 04

  And, and across the world, other countries as well. So it's deciphering, how much did people know? This is why we need everyone to testify.

• 32:09Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 32:09Speaker 04

  We, we need to hold them accountable.

• 32:11Annie Elise?

  But I guess that's my question, too, just sidebaring.

• 32:16Annie Elise?

  Do you think that people will ever be held accountable here?

• 32:21Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 32:22Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 32:23Speaker 04

  I'm starting to think so because, because

• 32:29Speaker 04

  there's 3,000 billionaires in this world. How many?

• 32:33Annie Elise?

  I mean, by the se- it seems like a lot of them are involved by the looks of it.

• 32:36Speaker 04

  Yeah. How many

• 32:39Speaker 04

  of us are there?

• 32:40Annie Elise?

  Well, and that, I feel like that's kind of going back to, to where everybody's becoming this united front, a little bit wanting to expose the dark and demanding it.

• 32:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 32:49Annie Elise?

  Okay, so let's go back to some of the biggest bombshells that you have found in the files. What else do we have?

• 32:54Speaker 04

  I think the

• 32:57Speaker 04

  I don't know what words to use. I don't want to like get everything completely banned, but

• 33:02Annie Elise?

  No, you can use it.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  There was a professor teaching Epstein how to get babies to suck harder. And that if you keep them dehydrated and hungry, their suction is harder. And those babies were being given to these men and the men were orally raping them.

• 33:19Annie Elise?

  This is proven.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  This is written in the emails.

• 33:21Annie Elise?

  In the files.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:23Annie Elise?

  Who's this professor?

• 33:24Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't, uh.

• 33:25Annie Elise?

  Wait, okay.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  We can, you can Google it in a second.

• 33:28Annie Elise?

  So a professor was saying that by dehydrating the baby, withholding food, withholding liquid, it's gonna, they're of course, because they're going to be emaciated and they're going to be dying for thirst and food and sustenance that they would then suck harder. So then they would do that, you're saying, are you saying that they would do that to babies? And then pass these babies to these predators?

• 33:51Speaker 04

  Yes. And there's one professor who, I think it might be the UCLA one, um, and they've been, they've been protesting at UCLA.

• 34:00Speaker 04

  Mark Tramo, who I think he was the one with the email says they will suck more vigorously. These are actual emails. And he also said, if you play the voice of the mother, they will suck more.

• 34:16Annie Elise?

  Oh, my God.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:20Speaker 04

  That's real. That literally is written.

• 34:22Annie Elise?

  Let me come in as devil's advocate for just a minute here. I don't even know.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  I welcome it.

• 34:28Annie Elise?

  I don't even know if there's a way to, if there's an entry point for that. What else could he be explaining that for?

• 34:39Annie Elise?

  Why else would anybody need to know that?

• 34:41Speaker 04

  I mean, he was a baby specialist, so.

• 34:45Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Maybe to, maybe.

• 34:48Annie Elise?

  Could the argument be teaching women to breastfeed better? Well, I was just gonna say, could the argument be that, and but were these emails to Epstein?

• 34:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 34:56Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 34:57Speaker 04

  Because after they had, after these people had been on the island.

• 35:00Annie Elise?

  Okay, cuz like, and tell me if I'm, if this is a correct scenario, or if there's no way this would work out. But if I were someone who just gave birth and I was struggling with breastfeeding and latching, my baby also wouldn't take a bottle, and I was, you know, losing it. And I reached out to this specialist and said, hey, what can I do? And they're like, dehydrate them, they'll suck harder, they'll latch, they wanna hear your voice. Those things all track.

• 35:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:27Annie Elise?

  Why they would need to route that message through Epstein to me? Is there any world in which why that would happen?

• 35:36Speaker 04

  Years after he was a known sexual predator.

• 35:40Annie Elise?

  And like, he wasn't in these emails saying, hey, give Jane this tip or advice. It was just to Epstein.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:47Annie Elise?

  For Epstein to have that knowledge.

• 35:48Speaker 04

  A lot of the names are redacted, so it could have been other people.

• 35:51Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Epstein's name, I don't really think is redacted.

• 35:54Annie Elise?

  Yeah, no.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Anywhere.

• 35:55Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 35:57Speaker 04

  But there were, people were CC'd on to these messages.

• 35:59Annie Elise?

  So he was, he was receiving this at some point.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  And, and replying.

• 36:03Annie Elise?

  And replying.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  There's.

• 36:05Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  There, the, when people say like, three million just dumped, it's literally like, one email, like.

• 36:14Annie Elise?

  Like a couple of sentences.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  A couple of sentences.

• 36:15Annie Elise?

  Not a thread.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  Right? And then you'll get, the next file is gonna be the reply with the first one. The next one's gonna be the next reply with the first two.

• 36:24Annie Elise?

  Yep.

• 36:24Speaker 04

  So it's not like, three million individual, it's not, it is a lot, but it's not.

• 36:29Annie Elise?

  It's more threads and like, the whole sequence of everything.

• 36:32Speaker 04

  If you can get to the bottom of each thread of each email and have the whole email, then your time is used better, and that's where AI is coming in to do this for us. Um, but yeah, no, they're, they are corresponding back and forth and that's in writing. Imagine what they're talking about on the phone.

• 36:46Annie Elise?

  I mean, well, and that, okay, so that was kind of the question I wrote down that I was actually going to table for later is like, what morons are putting all of this in email? I mean, that, that sounds, seems crazy to me.

• 36:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:59Annie Elise?

  If you're trying to be so secretive and use code words and all this, like, why not have the conversations in person? I get it, maybe not over the phone because of wiretapping and recording. But like emails, that's a digital footprint. Like, what are you even thinking?

• 37:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:13Annie Elise?

  But like, we love to see it. We love to see when people are dumb and do that because then here we are.

• 37:17Speaker 04

  Right.

• 37:17Annie Elise?

  So.

• 37:18Speaker 04

  One, one thing I want to remember.

• 37:20Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Don't want to forget about is, and again, like, I welcome anyone to prove me wrong.

• 37:26Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  Because I hope to fucking hell this is not true. But when we mentioned jerky, that was the more elite human meat is what I'm interpreting this as. There were emails from people, redacted names again, saying, hey, I, I have 68 pounds of jerky in my freezer. I'm not sure what to do with it.

• 37:45Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  There were emails of, I need more jerky. I'm going to send it to the lab.

• 37:50Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 37:51Speaker 04

  Okay. Um, there were.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  What were the other emails?

• 37:57Annie Elise?

  Well, I saw some where it's like, I'm going to walk the jerky across the street to so and so. And.

• 38:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:02Annie Elise?

  Or I'm going to travel with the jerky, make sure, you know, a six ounce block of ice should do it. So, okay, let me ask you this.

• 38:07Speaker 04

  Oh, the sulfuric acid is the part I was going to say.

• 38:10Annie Elise?

  Oh, what?

• 38:10Speaker 04

  Is that when he knew they were coming after him, and we haven't even gotten to Sasha Riley. We've talked about Sasha Riley, but when the, they knew they were going to come arrest him, he ordered 330 gallons of sulfuric acid, which is.

• 38:23Annie Elise?

  What?

• 38:24Speaker 04

  Which is how you would dispose.

• 38:26Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Babies.

• 38:29Annie Elise?

  Anything, really?

• 38:30Speaker 04

  Anything. And then the.

• 38:31Annie Elise?

  How many gallons did he order?

• 38:33Speaker 04

  330 at one point, and I believe 50 at another point.

• 38:38Annie Elise?

  Sulfuric acid.

• 38:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:40Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  And there are mentions, and now Congress is actually speaking about it. They did this week. A few Republican Congresswomen, I believe, and Thomas Massey, spoke about Zorro Ranch, and how there are so many mentions of bury them in Zorro Ranch, leave them in Zorro Ranch. Now, that's 7,000 acres of land that Jeffrey Epstein owns in New Mexico. And it's actively working right now.

• 39:04Annie Elise?

  Is it?

• 39:05Speaker 04

  Now, conspiracy-

• 39:06Annie Elise?

  This might be a really ignorant question, and it probably is. Is it on native land?

• 39:09Speaker 04

  No.

• 39:10Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 39:10Speaker 04

  No, it's considered like a little town, and they changed the street names. On Google Maps, it's like blurred out. You know, you can ask them to do that.

• 39:18Annie Elise?

  Hmm.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  And then, again, this would be conspiracy. Last, a couple of days ago, we closed the airspace over Zorro Ranch for 10 days.

• 39:32Speaker 04

  Weird, right? That's where I'm like, okay-

• 39:34Annie Elise?

  It's enough to make your head explode.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  It's enough for me to be like, I'm not going to take that as truth, but I'm building this, I'm filling my bucket with doubt that this administration was clean of this.

• 39:49Annie Elise?

  So, I want to circle back really quickly to the jerky of it all, because I'm not as familiar with that, but I did see it. And so, for anyone who's listening who doesn't know what that is, there were a lot of emails going back and forth and exchanged, basically, as Dr. Leslie said, talking about how he's on like an all jerky diet, or like, or maybe he didn't even say that, but like how he loves jerky. He has all the, like, tons and tons of pounds of it, how it's better when it's dehydrated, or like, all of these weird things, then, saying, "You should try the jerky." And weird enough to where it's like, and that's like, if for some reason, right now, I was like, on a jerky diet, or on the Master Cleanse, or something, and I'm emailing 15 of my friends, like, pressuring them, "You gotta try the jerky. You gotta figure this

• 40:33Annie Elise?

  out," and them writing back like, "Hey, when can I get some of that jerky?" It's just like such a weird conversation to have, especially when you layer in where he talks about how, you know, not only the, like, amount and the weight of the jerky, but then where it's being held in the, like, deep freezer, or this and that. So- I had brought that up to my sister last week when I first heard about it. I'm like, I, when we were talking about the cannibalism things and I was like, well, have you heard about this whole jerky thing? And I showed her some of the threads and she pushed back a little bit, not, and just kind of devil's advocate. We always like do this push pull thing. And she had said, she's like, well, what if he was on this like weird fad diet or crash diet for his health,

• 41:14Annie Elise?

  where all he was gonna eat is jerky. And so he's saying it needs to be dehydrated. I am going to travel with it. I am going to do this. Is it as nefarious as it looks? But then I pushed back and I said, well, what about like, hey, we're gonna walk John or whatever his name is, some jerky, walk the jerky across the street to him where you normally be like, bring him the jerky. I don't know, like, things like that towards like, could it be explained away? Or is the writing on the wall?

• 41:40Speaker 04

  And then just to add to that, you know, the chef that was making the jerky that was sending recipes that was on the island was Francis Derby.

• 41:49Annie Elise?

  Who's that?

• 41:50Speaker 04

  Francis Derby owns the restaurant Cannibal.

• 41:53Annie Elise?

  What?

• 41:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 41:55Annie Elise?

  Wait, there's a restaurant called Cannibal?

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Cannibal and Cooking.

• 41:58Annie Elise?

  Is it actual cannibalism? No, it can't be. That'd be illegal.

• 42:01Speaker 04

  It can't be, right? But is it so tongue in cheek? Did they think they were so fucking smart that they could go that far?

• 42:08Annie Elise?

  Well, and here, there's a saying I all, you know, I hate the cliche sayings, but in a lot of the cases I cover, something that I often say, where there's smoke, there's fire. So a lot of these things individually could potentially be explained away. I think everybody in the world agrees there was sexual assault going on, there was underage assault going on, and that there was like this huge group of predators, women and men. I don't think anybody's trying to argue that fact. But when you bring in the cannibalism, the babies, the terminations, the trap doors, which I have on here, as I know I want to get to as well, all the sulfuric acid, one or two of those potentially could be explained away.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:53Annie Elise?

  But where there's smoke, there's fire. And when there are that many nuanced things and weird things and outlandish things, it's like, at what point do you say like, I can't be devil's advocate and explain this away? Like, there's too much of it.

• 43:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:06Annie Elise?

  But then it's like, are you teetering on conspiracy? But I think now a lot of people are realizing. No, and not that some of the, I don't know if I fully believe the Wayfair stuff out there. I'm curious to know your take on that, but I think there is a lot of truth that people are starting to catch on to. Pizza Gate is a perfect example. That first started to your point in like the 2010s and where people like rumblings. We heard a lot about it in 2020. I mean, it was everywhere. Everybody was talking about Pizza Gate. And then it kind of died off. People were labeled conspiracy theorists and like, there's no way there's truth to this. I have never seen so many emails where they are talking about fucking pizza

• 43:50Annie Elise?

  back and forth than when I started looking at these files. And the argument, the argument can't even be that we don't live in a day and age of text messaging back then because texting became around in 2006, 2007. So where it's like, thanks for the pizza party last night. Hey, did you order the pizza for so and so? Hey, I got this pizza. What toppings do you like? Like, there's so much to where it makes you step back and be like, were we not crazy? Is this real? Is this how they were ordering people?

• 44:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, I think that if someone were gonna play devil's advocate, they would probably counter it with drugs.

• 44:27Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 44:28Speaker 04

  That, to me, would be like the, if you want to take my pattern I'm presenting to you, make it a pattern of drug use.

• 44:35Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 44:35Speaker 04

  Um, still.

• 44:37Annie Elise?

  Like if they go to the island and they're all doing like GHB and all the party drugs and like sex parties and all that, thanks for the pizza party. But also, if it's a drug party, do you really need to thank them for the drug party? And like, you don't need Epstein to be your drug dealer if you're a billionaire. I can get GHB tomorrow if I want it, right? Or today, you know, like, you don't need that kind of access for those types of things. You don't need people in that position for any kind of drug.

• 45:04Speaker 04

  Right. And why do you need so many doctors?

• 45:09Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 45:10Speaker 04

  Why do you need so many psychiatrists? Like Virginia said in her book, when she would, she was telling people what was happening and they would just give her medications.

• 45:26Annie Elise?

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• 46:10Annie Elise?

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• 46:52Annie Elise?

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• 47:45Annie Elise?

  Do you believe that she took her own life?

• 47:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, very much.

• 47:48Annie Elise?

  You do. I know a lot of people don't believe that. I, it could because she had outright said, "If I die, it would never be self-inflicted," but it seems as though she was struggling.

• 47:57Speaker 04

  Because of me knowing Tara Palmeri very well, the independent journalist who went on a year or more with, with Virginia confronting people and caught on tape. I mean, I think it was Apple produced it or something. It's called Unbroken, I think, or Broken.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  The moment they got to Juan's house, who let them in, who I think he was probably quite naive to the seriousness of all of this at that point, they got into his house, they sit down to talk to him, and the FBI calls his phone. It's on, it's on audio.

• 48:35Speaker 04

  So it's, I believe Virginia is, I believe she ended her life because her relationship to people, it was very bad. She was losing her children, her marriage was going downhill. She was losing her mind because of the, the complexed PTSD.

• 48:54Annie Elise?

  How could you not?

• 48:55Speaker 04

  And she was one of the favorites, right? She was blonde and blue-eyed, which goes into what the strategy of this, he, he obsessed over this bloodline and making the perfect person, and that's in the files. That's in emails, right? He had all these labs done, all the stuff done. That's all accessible to the world. We can all look that up right now.

• 49:16Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  So I think Virginia killed herself because I think she was in a horrible, horrible place and couldn't take it anymore. And everyone was gaslighting her. No one would help her. And she settled and financially settled against abusers, but if she named them, then that money would have been taken from her kids and her family. So she was stuck. She was stuck. No one believed her. And then she kept seeing all of these abusers continue to own restaurants and be in politics and lawyers.

• 49:48Annie Elise?

  And seeing their face on her TV every single day. That would be enough to drive somebody insane.

• 49:52Speaker 04

  And I mean, she dies and then we finally denounce Prince Andrew.

• 49:56Annie Elise?

  Right, right, right. And I know we talked about this before we recorded. What is it? Sarah Ferguson? Is it for? Yeah, Fergie. Was that his first wife or his previous wife? Hold on. Yeah, hold on.

• 50:10Speaker 04

  I don't remember.

• 50:10Annie Elise?

  I don't know. But where there was like where they were sending photos of their children too. Again, not necessarily outright meaning anything, but like being like, here's a picture of the girls. And so one of the other things before you continue down your list of the things that you have learned. I have it here in my red pen circled. Is it true that there was a trapdoor in his house on the island that released to the sea?

• 50:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's an image of it.

• 50:39Annie Elise?

  Okay, that's real.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:41Annie Elise?

  And

• 50:42Speaker 04

  Again.

• 50:42Annie Elise?

  What it means? Who knows?

• 50:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:45Annie Elise?

  It and if you haven't seen this image, I'm going to kind of just describe it. It's dark. It looks like it's just in the floorboard of a room, a little square, probably what 24 by 24? Maybe two feet by two feet?

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Maybe a little bigger.

• 50:58Annie Elise?

  Maybe a little bit bigger.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:59Annie Elise?

  Just in the floorboards and you open it and it's not like to a reef or anything like that. Or with a ladder, it's just to darkness to the sea. So let's play both sides of this. Of course, a lot of the allegations naturally are that was a way to dispose of people, things. You're done. It's off into the sea. It's an easy way. You don't have to ever leave the house. You're never going to get caught being seen in public. You're already in the house and it's a way to dispose of things. Other people are saying, oh, no, he lived on an island. It's a door to the sea. However, and we don't know exactly where the location is, I don't think, but. I'm just gonna say, if I had ever had a mansion

• 51:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:41Annie Elise?

  on an island, on the water, I probably would do like an overwater hut, like the Maldives or something like that. I don't know that I would have a trap door in my dining room that just releases to the bottom of the ocean. Like, that feels a little weird.

• 51:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:55Annie Elise?

  But I'm not a billionaire, so I don't fucking know. But like, that's weird, right?

• 51:59Speaker 04

  Everything's so weird. I mean, there was one image and they took it down, and I don't know why. It's the image of a kitchen and three steaks. And then what looks like a bone or bone marrow could very well be bone marrow, right? It was up last week. They took it down this week.

• 52:16Annie Elise?

  So who is taking it down?

• 52:18Speaker 04

  The DOJ, the Department of Justice, but

• 52:20Annie Elise?

  And why? If they released everything, why are you now taking it back?

• 52:25Speaker 04

  Because my assumption is that they thought Americans in the world were dumber than we are. And people are analyzing these images, knowing we can turn images into videos, knowing that there are hidden links in these images. Like, in one image, you click on the link, you right-click, there's a little blue dot, and you right-click on it, and it takes you to, um, Roblox.

• 52:48Annie Elise?

  Don't get me started on Roblox.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  Why, why? I don't know what that means. Like,

• 52:53Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 52:53Speaker 04

  I mean, we know that's

• 52:55Annie Elise?

  Predator's Playground.

• 52:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, but why is there an image of like a hallway in Jeffrey Epstein's house?

• 53:01Annie Elise?

  Let me ask you about this image I have seen, because people also will use AI to complete images that have been redacted and things like that, which I don't really like. I can't subscribe to that.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:10Annie Elise?

  Um, maybe it's real, maybe it's not. But there was a conspiracy a couple of weeks ago, when these all first started getting released, floating around, that one of the images that was redacted showed hands, and I believe legs, of a little girl who people are suggesting was JonBenet Ramsey.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:32Annie Elise?

  What do you, does that go to conspiracy for you? People were like comparing her hands, the times she went missing, when the time he became like into power and influence, how he loved little girls with blonde hair, beautiful eyes, how she was in the pageant circuit. I know there's also that photo where people think Ghislaine was like in the crowd next to her, and I don't think that's ever been proven to be her. But does that, is that just because everybody's so desperate for an answer of what happened to JonBenet that they're now trying to like tie it together?

• 53:59Speaker 04

  No, I think it's because the timing literally matches up and the images, you know, the, there's one image where she's on

• 54:07Annie Elise?

  His shoulders.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  Back or shoulders. Um, and the hair lines up perfectly.

• 54:13Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm. And she, I think it's like the same bows too, or the same bow on her dress or something like that.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  They did overlays, right? And it wouldn't surprise me. I mean, I guess that's the thing is it wouldn't surprise me.

• 54:25Annie Elise?

  But then would that, that would take it a step further, arguing that either her parents were implicit in all this, which I don't, I don't think personally that that is the case. I don't think that they would have like passed JonBenet to Epstein. I don't know, possibly, but I don't believe that. Or that somehow he was involved in the abduction?

• 54:46Speaker 04

  Well, or she went for a photo shoot, right?

• 54:49Annie Elise?

  I mean, Oh, and that he had nothing to do with her disappearance and murder.

• 54:52Speaker 04

  Or maybe he, he did. Maybe the parents were like, sure. Go, go for a photo shoot. You're in the pageant industry, whatever, you know, Oprah's plane was on his island 12 times plus. She was, she's not on a plane. She wasn't flying the plane.

• 55:06Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 04

  They were bringing children over.

• 55:09Annie Elise?

  Because he was, to, to people who didn't know his rap sheet even post 20, whatever it was, 2012 or whenever it was, but even pre, like, if you didn't know the darkness that was going on, or what his extracurriculars were, he was this very powerful billionaire in New York City with this huge elite town home. So it's like, yeah, if you're a family and you're getting your kids into modeling and this billionaire, if the Kardashians or somebody come up to you and they're like, oh my God, come over and play at Northwest's birthday party, da, da, da, da. Come to what was Michael Jackson's island, uh, Neverland? Like,

• 55:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:42Annie Elise?

  If you don't know the sinister intentions or activities behind it, then you probably are easily impressed by that and willing to go to those places. And then maybe that's when you start to get sucked in, or maybe you don't, maybe you never do. But I think that there is this whole, like, he's kind of cloaked in this veil of protection, or he was, because people are so star eyed when it comes to influence and power and wealth.

• 56:09Speaker 04

  And he, he did though. I mean, the, the heads of talent agents were his friends.

• 56:16Annie Elise?

  Isn't that, didn't one agent just, um, Wasserman or what?

• 56:20Speaker 04

  People are leaving, but they,

• 56:22Annie Elise?

  Oh, but he hasn't left.

• 56:22Speaker 04

  Stay. No.

• 56:23Annie Elise?

  Okay. Cause it's his agency, right?

• 56:25Speaker 04

  The board like voted and they're letting him stay. Which is wild to me, but genuinely, yeah, you would like Lisa Phillips describes it. One of the survivors, he would name the agencies, you know, what kind of career do you want? What do you want to be? How famous do you want to be? I can get you that.

• 56:42Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 56:43Speaker 04

  And he did for a lot of people. I mean, the Hadid sisters are listed in those emails.

• 56:49Annie Elise?

  What do you mean?

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Bella Hadid, that he helped promote their careers.

• 56:52Annie Elise?

  How?

• 56:53Speaker 04

  They're really, they're really rich, I think.

• 56:57Annie Elise?

  Yeah, Mohammed is their father. It's very, very rich. He's like a huge like real estate guy.

• 57:02Speaker 04

  A lot of what Epstein did was move money to make people more famous, to get them gigs, to get them jobs.

• 57:10Annie Elise?

  And now these people that he has helped or crossed paths with aren't speaking, obviously, unless they're getting caught. So I know there were, what else not only was in the files, but I know there you want to talk about the Sasha of it all.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Sasha Riley, he came out and he was the one who made direct allegations against Donald Trump.

• 57:31Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 57:32Speaker 04

  And people are really going back and forth with the truth is the nature of this. I very much believe his story, the way he tells it, it's very linear.

• 57:43Annie Elise?

  And what's his story for anybody who's unfamiliar? Can you just break it down?

• 57:46Speaker 04

  This is where it gets even more dark.

• 57:49Annie Elise?

  Great.

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Okay, so you take out the, the letter T and you put an N in stuff?

• 57:57Annie Elise?

  Hold on. Wait, take, oh, like in Epstein?

• 58:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, in the word stuff.

• 58:04Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 58:05Speaker 04

  If we take out the T and we put an N. So that's when you are sexually abusing someone and

• 58:12Annie Elise?

  Sexually assaulting.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Assaulting. It's when you're sexually assaulting someone or maybe just like having sex and you kill them.

• 58:19Annie Elise?

  Oh, yeah, because there are those kinds of films, the S word type of films out there and people like watching those. It reminds me too of, I can't remember the movie now, but yeah, where there's like this whole like market for those kinds of movies.

• 58:34Speaker 04

  So Sasha claims and he has, he has receipts.

• 58:40Annie Elise?

  What kind of receipts?

• 58:41Speaker 04

  He has timelines, he has pictures.

• 58:43Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Um, he's in hiding now.

• 58:45Annie Elise?

  He is?

• 58:46Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm. Um, he claims that an aspect of it was that they were being videotaped. Now, again, as Pam Bondi was caught on a hot mic saying, "We have 12,000 videotapes of just kids." And-

• 58:59Annie Elise?

  I didn't know that.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  Yes, she was caught in a restaurant saying that those have not been shown.

• 59:04Annie Elise?

  Why aren't those in the files?

• 59:07Speaker 04

  Todd Holdman, the attorney, said, "We will not be showing any of the killings or the murders." Okay.

• 59:14Annie Elise?

  So you're confirming that there are killings and murders?

• 59:16Speaker 04

  Yes, this is so stupid, this fucking administration is. So-

• 59:20Annie Elise?

  I get why they wouldn't release it. If it's underage, it's minors, you'd, you're not gonna-

• 59:24Speaker 04

  But acknowledge it. If you saw someone die, who was it and who did it?

• 59:28Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 59:29Speaker 04

  So Sasha openly says, and he, he was, he's military, comes from a military family, was in the military, um, that he killed a little girl, that they made him, that he shot her.

• 59:41Annie Elise?

  That Sasha did?

• 59:42Speaker 04

  Yeah. That he was also assaulting them. Um, and then they made him do that.

• 59:47Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 59:47Speaker 04

  And then another little girl wanted to end her life so badly that another little girl shot her for her. And then he said another little girl wanted to get off so bad, she just jumped in the ladder and swam. She's never seen again.

• 1:00:00Annie Elise?

  So these are all Sasha's allegations?

• 1:00:02Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:02Annie Elise?

  Nothing has been proven?

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Nothing has been-

• 1:00:05Annie Elise?

  And he's now in hiding?

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. I don't know, maybe there's, maybe there's investigations, I don't really know.

• 1:00:11Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:00:11Speaker 04

  Um, because they wouldn't talk about open investigations. Although Pam Bondi in the hearing yesterday, even though she said there are no investigations, at the end said, "We have open investig- investigations." Of who?

• 1:00:21Annie Elise?

  Well, isn't her, and, correct me if I'm wrong, but what's, her, her name was floating around a lot in these emails?

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:00:28Annie Elise?

  Right? And her husband, correct?

• 1:00:29Speaker 04

  She was the attorney in Florida with all of these people for decades.

• 1:00:37Annie Elise?

  So that's where you're saying, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but from what I'm gathering, that's what I'm hearing is that it's the administration as a collective, for the most part, of why there has not been movement, forward movement in holding people accountable with the release of this.

• 1:00:56Speaker 04

  It's bigger than Watergate. It's a massive cover up of our, the biggest one of our lifetime.

• 1:01:03Annie Elise?

  Do you think that it will ever be fully exposed?

• 1:01:06Speaker 04

  Yes, because of other countries.

• 1:01:08Annie Elise?

  Because, oh, that's right.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  And I think we'll get some whistleblowers and I think people will stop being scared. Um, but I personally, I mean, the size of Cash Patel's eyeballs, since he took that job, they have gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. I mean, these people are realizing what they're in. And I think, I'm assuming they're being blackmailed or they're just, it's a cult-like mentality.

• 1:01:28Annie Elise?

  I, and I, I'm going to pull this up because I did have a couple of questions that I had logged down here as well, that I was like, I know I need to like, ask her about these. Um, okay.

• 1:01:40Annie Elise?

  I, what do you think about Wayfair? Do you think it's conspiracy or real?

• 1:01:46Speaker 04

  I think it could very much be real.

• 1:01:49Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  Because of the people involved.

• 1:01:52Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  Because I think, honestly, I think a lot of them were fucking around.

• 1:01:58Annie Elise?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  Like, look what I can do to my website with my billionaire company.

• 1:02:02Annie Elise?

  Well, and the truth of the matter is Wayfair is like a third-party hosting website where people, it's all drop ship anyway. And so it's like, you use it as a platform to send stuff out. That's why it's the same stuff on Joss and Maine, Wayfair, you know, all the different things. It's just a third-party platform for drop ship.

• 1:02:18Speaker 04

  Trafficking is, is the biggest crime we have in this entire world.

• 1:02:22Annie Elise?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  Wayfair is a worldwide company.

• 1:02:24Annie Elise?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:02:25Speaker 04

  It makes, it, it, take this whole case out of it, makes very much perfect sense that there are going to be avenues. We find out about ways that you are picking kits.

• 1:02:37Annie Elise?

  Why do you think that all of the files were released at once? Was it to like, overwhelm everybody? Was it done strategically that way? Or is it because they granted the release that that's just the way it worked out?

• 1:02:50Speaker 04

  I think there are a lot more files to come.

• 1:02:52Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:02:53Speaker 04

  A lot. But I think there was a dump, definitely a dump. And it was to, to desensitize us, to make, there's just so much going on that it's overwhelming that if we can't process it, it's, it's psychological warfare.

• 1:03:11Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:12Speaker 04

  And that's why I'm so proud of the people who are continuing to fight through this and talk about it, because you know, we kind of go on these trends, right? Everybody was like anti ICE and that kind of faded. Now we've got this. Is this gonna fade? We have to keep pushing the really important things.

• 1:03:28Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:03:28Speaker 04

  Because that's, this is CIA tactics, psychological warfare. Overwhelm them, make them feel helplessness, confuse them, and then distract them.

• 1:03:37Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm. And what do you think is gonna happen with Ghislaine? Obviously, in her, the latest thing we saw, if you didn't see it, it's unnerving to watch, but she took the fifth for everything, refused to speak, refused to speak on anything, to avoid self-incrimination and probably, in my opinion, because she's trying to work out a sweet little deal for herself, whether it's less time, transfer, whatever it may be. What do you think will happen with her?

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  That's where I think, you know, Trump is losing numbers. He's losing supporters and that's what he cares the most about, right? We have Republicans, very, Republicans that were very in support of Trump, who are seeing the files and saying that Maxwell raped these girls and is just as guilty and she should, someone said she should be hung. Someone said she should go back to maximum security prison.

• 1:04:29Annie Elise?

  But some think she may get a pardon.

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  I don't think so.

• 1:04:33Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  Because I think it's gonna, it's now taking out Trump's house too.

• 1:04:38Annie Elise?

  Uh huh.

• 1:04:39Speaker 04

  And he's a man of strategy.

• 1:04:41Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  But. She's not registered as a sex offender.

• 1:04:46Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  They took that off. To move her back, I don't, I can't see them moving her to a higher level of security. And then you have that horrible interview with her and Todd Blanch, where he was giving her all of these leading questions to say that everyone was innocent.

• 1:05:04Annie Elise?

  Well, here's my question. If all of these files just got dumped, and if I'm Bill Gates, or I'm whomever, and I'm realizing that I'm getting exposed right now, which by the way, the whole Bill Gates of it all with like the STD and trying to like slip his wife the medication so that she wouldn't catch it is so foul and disgusting.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  And did you see her answer?

• 1:05:22Annie Elise?

  I saw. And she was, well, I saw an interview and she was like distraught. And I felt awful. My heart broke for her.

• 1:05:29Speaker 04

  She said, I'm so glad I got away from him when I did.

• 1:05:31Annie Elise?

  Yep.

• 1:05:32Speaker 04

  Because she knew.

• 1:05:33Annie Elise?

  Yeah. Which, for those of you who don't know, there was an email, it was in the email, right? Yeah. There was an email exchange where Bill Gates had gone to some sort of sex party, he did whatever, and contracted something, or I don't know if it's confirmed that he contracted it, or he thought he contracted it. Okay. And he didn't want his wife to find, to also get it then, when they were together. So he tried to get medication that he could slip to her without her knowing, so that she wouldn't get it, and then know that he was being unfaithful. So, my question with Ghislaine, my point was, if I'm Bill Gates, or if I'm any of these people being exposed and named in these files, and I'm powerful enough, because I run with that crowd at the very top, why has nobody taken out Ghislaine? Because she seems like

• 1:06:17Annie Elise?

  a liability, right? Like, if she decides to speak to protect herself, she knows everything. She knows just as much as Epstein, if she was the gatekeeper of all of it. So how come nobody has taken her out yet?

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  It's a really good question. I mean, she's important.

• 1:06:35Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Speaker 04

  But she's also important to proving people's claims should things go awry.

• 1:06:40Annie Elise?

  But that's what's so crazy, is I feel like she is the one person who could validate or invalidate all of this.

• 1:06:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Annie Elise?

  Which, and she's just sitting there in prison and refuses to speak, which is fucking infuriating.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  But that's why they are redacting perpetrators' names. Because if I redact your name, then you're not going to tell anyone that my name's in there.

• 1:07:02Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  So they're holding her in this place, kind of waiting to use her, I think. She is a tool that they'll use when needed, depending on what direction. And I honestly don't think that the Trump administration thought it was going to get this far.

• 1:07:18Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  I mean, he campaigned on, I'm going to release them all. And then he said, it's all a hoax. Then he said, you need to get over it. I think they just, I think they're really surprised that the public kept moving this forward.

• 1:07:29Annie Elise?

  They're not going to let it go. The public is like a dog with a bone. They are not going to let it go. And like we've been saying, look, this isn't a political podcast, guys. I get accused of being left. I get accused of being right. Nobody knows where I stand. We're not a political podcast, but like we talked about earlier, it's a moment in time where everyone is collectively uniting against the darkness.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Annie Elise?

  Whoever that may be. And I'm not suggesting I know who it is exactly. I mean, I obviously know it's Epstein, but um, oh God, it's disheartening. It really is to think that this is like, and that's like the reality too. And I think that's why so many people do get overwhelmed when they're looking into it and they just stop for a minute. Or speaking for myself, at least when I would almost feel like, oh my God, these accusations are so unhinged and unbelievable. There's no way there's people like this in the world. And then you keep looking and looking, you're like, it's real. And like knowing that you live in a world where there is that much darkness and cruelty is very scary to think about.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  And the psychological manipulation of grooming.

• 1:08:34Annie Elise?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:08:34Speaker 04

  I mean, this is, this comes down to little girls who have dreams. I mean, one of the emails was, I hurt her so badly, she prayed to Jesus.

• 1:08:46Annie Elise?

  I saw that.

• 1:08:47Speaker 04

  And then the response was, next time, dress up like Jesus.

• 1:08:50Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  These are babies.

• 1:08:53Annie Elise?

  It's sick.

• 1:08:54Speaker 04

  Babies being forced to hug babies.

• 1:08:57Annie Elise?

  And then they take those babies away.

• 1:08:59Speaker 04

  And that's all, that is true. That is injustice.gov documentation.

• 1:09:05Annie Elise?

  So where, what, what do we do from here? What's the next step? What's going to happen? What can we expect? Obviously there are certain ones now that are being unredacted. There, I know you are working with Congress as well on it. So what's happening?

• 1:09:18Speaker 04

  I think we continue to show patterns to Congress of the files. Congress people don't. Like, a lot of Congress aren't that smart, right? Like, they're not analytical, they're not pattern aware, they're not scientists, right? They get funding, and everyone does, you know, there's 500 of them. They don't really know what they're looking for. And a lot of them have even gone on their socials and said, please help me. Please tell me what to look for, on both sides, everyone. I want to see, I want to see the patterns because we need to be able to charge people, like identify what is going on here and then have the forward movement.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, we have the Zora Ranch, people have been trying to send cadaver dogs out to Zora Ranch for so long. Why haven't they? Because they, they just keep getting met with denials and then they appeal it. And maybe we're at a place finally where it'll work. Who owns the land currently? Is it in the Epstein estate? I think it was, I don't think anyone knows, I don't think anyone knows now. Okay. It was his, though. And technically, there's not enough evidence to just pull a search warrant, or is there? Well, that's what they, I think, yesterday or the day before, I think that's what they started to push forward. So what happens, I'm gonna put on my conspiracy tinfoil hat for a minute.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  What happens if they go to that ranch, search that property and find a multitude of remains? Everybody's worst nightmare is like, it's a reality. Yeah, and then maybe, maybe the FBI, maybe this would be more the CIA because they're not as corrupt. Do you think that the CIA is working on this? Well, yeah, there's definitely international components that they have to, right? And they're gonna be the most quiet. Yeah, of course. They're not quiet, they don't wear, they don't hide behind masks, right? They go and make, make an arrest, it's on TV, people see who their face is, they're known entities. But I think we are, as a, as a people, as a movement, able to push this forward to prosecutions.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Now, Zora Ranch has incinerators on it. No, casual, well, could that be RE because it's a farm? Yeah. DNA. Yeah. But at what level of degree of like heat does that not become viable anymore? I don't know. And how many years?

• 1:11:44Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  And

• 1:11:45Annie Elise?

  And how contaminated, how cross contaminated, that's, yeah, that's a whole separate issue.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  But we do have missing, uh, missing people.

• 1:11:53Annie Elise?

  Right.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  We have

• 1:11:54Annie Elise?

  And if there are remains recovered, then you can do that.

• 1:11:57Speaker 04

  Mm hmm. We have a few missing names, um, who are still missing around the same timelines are noted on the flight logs to Epstein Island. I want to say it's Kathy Roberts. I can't, I need to think of the name, but, um, she's noted to, to be on the flight written in hand. And again, we don't know if these people were actually on the flights, but she went missing that year and she still hasn't been found.

• 1:12:20Annie Elise?

  Wow.

• 1:12:22Speaker 04

  So, uh, you know, there's, there's enough like,

• 1:12:24Annie Elise?

  Yeah, there's a lot.

• 1:12:25Speaker 04

  We can step back and see the forest for the trees. Like this is, this is the worst thing we've ever seen in American history.

• 1:12:31Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Speaker 04

  But now we have to actually start picking apart the trees.

• 1:12:34Annie Elise?

  Yeah. Well, thank you so much for joining today and sharing all this. I feel like there's probably going to be a part two in the future because there's so much to go. And which, for those of you listening and watching, let me know in the comments if you want to do a part two. We can definitely have Dr. Leslie back to break it all down for us. Let us know too, if you do, what questions you have for Dr. Leslie and we can compile all of those. I'll compile all of those questions and we can just go through all of them. So I know it's obviously very dark content and it's not easy. So thank you for stomaching it and being a part of it and championing it, championing it forward, championing it forward. I can't talk. Um, and thanks for being on.

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  My pleasure. After years having to work with sex offenders, being able to fight for survivors is like, you don't have to pay me to do it.

• 1:13:22Annie Elise?

  Yeah. Well, and let everybody know, where can they find you and keep up with you as you continue to do research all of this?

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  Um, I'm going to start, uh, compiling it on my YouTube.

• 1:13:32Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  Cause I need to do that also because it's like not as, um, attacked by the algorithm.

• 1:13:37Annie Elise?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 04

  But Tik Tok, um, it's Dr. Leslie and Instagram is Dr. Leslie.

• 1:13:41Annie Elise?

  Okay.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  You know, and then if you have tips, if you have files, if you have patterns that you are seeing, send me because I have direct lines into Congress and I am helping them.

• 1:13:51Annie Elise?

  Fantastic.

• 1:13:51Speaker 04

  And there are literally encampments all around DC that are like taking our tips, taking our patterns, running them through themselves. So we're, you know, we're always, um, vetting everything, um, and then literally texting Congress people and senators and people are there. We're all, we're all connected at this point because we have to be.

• 1:14:11Annie Elise?

  Well, thank you. I appreciate it.

• 1:14:12Speaker 04

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:14:13Annie Elise?

  Of course. So as I said, this was definitely a wilder episode than we normally do. And it did, you know, go sideways a few times with some of the conspiracies and the allegations, which I think I even said in the beginning, some of these are just so unbelievable to where it feels truly unbelievable, but there does appear to possibly be, I don't want to say some proof, but more than meets the eye, especially with certain things that have been discovered over the last few days as well. Does that mean that everything is rooted in fact? Certainly not, but it is opening the door to conversation and for people to interpret what they believe to be true. So like I said at the beginning, this conversation wasn't meant in any sort of way to steer

• 1:14:57Annie Elise?

  you one way or another of what to believe or what you should believe or what's true versus what's false. It's just to have a conversation and so many of you have been hounding me to talk about the files. And so I wanted to just come on here, have a conversation about it, try to make some sense out of what we're seeing and if that's even possible at this point and just talk through it. So I will say it again, you know, my mantra, as always, do your own research, form your own opinions. All right, guys, until the next one, you know, the drill, be nice, don't kill people, don't join any cults and stay away from anybody who is listed in the Epstein files. Okay. All right. Bye.

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