219. Peter Crone: The Science of Mindset and How Your Subconscious Patterns Control Your Health & Longevity

The most toxic environment you live in isn’t your city, your home, or your workplace, but it could most certainly be in your mind. Peter Crone, “The Mind Architect,” reveals how the internal narratives formed in childhood become invisible prisons that could sabotage your health, relationships, and success decades later. In this episode, you’ll discover why “being right is the poor man’s version of self-worth,” and how your subconscious programming creates the exact outcomes you fear most. CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARYS VIP!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Peter Crone Website: https://bit.ly/4r5p1dK YouTube: https://bit.ly/3XzWKyu Instagram: https://bit.ly/3JYuO4j TikTok: https://bit.ly/4o6RLQN Facebook: https://bit.ly/3LQdH57 X.com: https://bit.ly/3LQdKOl LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3K7FNZ9 Thank you to our partners H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp WHOOP: JOIN AND GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn CARAWAY: “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S RHO NUTRITION: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC GENETIC TEST: ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 Intro of Show 03:02 The Mind is the Ultimate Environment 08:08 Taking on a Journey of Introspection 09:09 Perspective of the Identity and Ego 22:10 How Do We Get Started in this Journey? 34:42 Gary’s Personal Journey of Introspection 36:14 The Possibility to Go through This Journey On Your Own 44:22 Universal Law of Attraction 46:09 Loneliness and Isolation as a Reflection of Being Misidentified 54:00 How to Increase Self-Awareness? 57:19 Impact of Ancient Practices and Wisdom 1:03:43 No Greater Virus than a Thought 1:05:04 Connect with Peter 1:06:40 What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human? Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  How many people say they have dreams and aspirations? Get in shape, create a business, start a homestead. Whatever people are passionate about, but you're not doing it. Why? People become resigned and cynical. They're no longer like actually enthusiastic for their life. It becomes normalized.

• 0:11Gary Brecka?

  Well, because normal is safe.

• 0:12Speaker 00

  It occurs as safe. It's actually the most dangerous way to live.

• 0:15Gary Brecka?

  Rarely do we really understand the correlation between our mindset and the tricks that it plays on us.

• 0:22Speaker 00

  That's why, understanding that the space you live within side of this mind, if it has a consistent, persistent conversation that is in any way self-deprecating, you're living in a hostile environment.

• 0:33Gary Brecka?

  When a fish gets sick, we don't treat the fish, we treat the tank. The brain is kind of like the fish and the mind is like the tank. And if we don't clean these things out, they're constantly poisoning an otherwise healthy body.

• 0:46Speaker 00

  When you recognize that we have this predisposition to want to be right, but what we're being right about is our shortcomings.

• 0:54Gary Brecka?

  We want to be right for our ego. I was right. But very often, being right is the antithesis of the outcome that we want.

• 1:01Speaker 00

  There's no greater virus than a thought. And to me, you know, there's nothing that hurts us more than our own thinking.

• 1:07Gary Brecka?

  How do we begin this journey of even getting in touch with our ego?

• 1:13Speaker 00

  How do we get there? We have to, first of all, one of the best ways is...

• 1:29Gary Brecka?

  Hey, guys. Welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today's guest coming to you live again from Saudi Arabia, which is why I have a suit on and I normally don't have a suit on. Coming to you live from Saudi Arabia. Our next guest is going to absolutely blow your mind. He's going to answer questions that you've always had that didn't, you didn't know how to ask. I have enjoyed every minute that I've spent with him since I've been in Saudi Arabia. We've had some deep introspective conversations. I actually watched him in real time heal a woman's trauma.

• 2:13Gary Brecka?

  And a car ride. And so I cannot wait to run this podcast. Welcome to the podcast, Peter Crone.

• 2:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a pleasure. I feel like this is well overdue in ways that we didn't understand, but I'm so happy to connect and contribute to your audience in whatever way I can.

• 2:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, you know, it's odd for me to sit down across from another human biologist, too. I was actually reading, you know, your, your background and you have a degree in human biology, a degree in exercise physiology.

• 2:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:40Gary Brecka?

  And, um, and then you jump to the other side of your brain and you have a masters in information technology.

• 2:45Speaker 00

  Technology, yeah.

• 2:46Gary Brecka?

  When these two don't belong in the same frames of the brain, right?

• 2:49Speaker 00

  But in the same skull.

• 2:50Gary Brecka?

  In the same skull. Yeah, they fit in the same skull.

• 2:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:53Gary Brecka?

  But they're very left brain, right brain.

• 2:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:55Gary Brecka?

  And, um, you know, it's, it's been a fascinating few days. I mean, I'm, I'm aware of your work.

• 2:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:00Gary Brecka?

  And my team's aware of your work, but actually, uh, experiencing it with you and listening to you walk somebody through unpacking their trauma in real time was, was fascinating.

• 3:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:15Gary Brecka?

  You know, I consider myself pretty astute in the biohacking world and

• 3:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:20Gary Brecka?

  my mind is really just blown.

• 3:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:22Gary Brecka?

  Uh, but it was blown because, you know, it really returned my awareness back to, you know, the Bible says, so a man thinketh he shall become.

• 3:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:32Gary Brecka?

  Right? And our thoughts become medicine. They, they become real action in our body.

• 3:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:41Gary Brecka?

  Everybody knows, oh, stress, you know, you gotta lower stress if you wanna live a long time.

• 3:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 3:46Gary Brecka?

  And stress can make you unhealthy, but rarely do we really understand the correlation between our mindset and the tricks that it plays on us. And, and even before we start, you did an interesting exercise, um, which I found profound. You hooked a hundred percent of the audience and you said, Uh, take a finger and point at your mind.

• 4:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:07Gary Brecka?

  And a hundred percent of the room pointed it.

• 4:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:09Gary Brecka?

  At their skull. And then you said, you're pointing at your brain.

• 4:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:13Gary Brecka?

  And you said, the mind exists outside of that.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 4:17Gary Brecka?

  Can we unpack that a little bit?

• 4:19Speaker 00

  For sure.

• 4:19Gary Brecka?

  Because I think that's a great place for us to start.

• 4:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's quite a reframe, and I think it's very profound, especially with all the work you do, which I'm such a fan of. And again, it's just lovely to get to know you personally, and I'm excited for the beginning of this friendship.

• 4:32Gary Brecka?

  I think somewhere between our intersection is the perfect.

• 4:35Speaker 00

  I believe there is just such a beautiful synergy, you know, our partners both saying the same thing, you know? It's like you have mastered like that whole arena of three dimensional reality, physiology, structure, anatomy, chemistry, biology. And I would assert, you know, as humbly as I can, I've sort of mastered the inner terrain of like psychology and emotional intelligence. And the degree to which those are commensurate, like they're inextricably connected, as you know, there's not a mind body connection. They're just different levels of density. And so for me, making that reframe for people is typically astonishing, right? Because we understand that at some degree, we are at the effect of our environment, right? You speak to this eloquently all the time about all of the toxicities in our soils and our waters and our airs.

• 5:19Speaker 00

  And the things that we accumulate, we're fundamentally walking trash cans at this point. And so people understand that we mitigate as much as we can, you know, the more extreme do the Faraday cages to mitigate EMFs. But at least most people are hopefully doing some sort of detoxing and cleansing. And they recognize from chemtrails that apparently don't exist or, you know.

• 5:38Gary Brecka?

  Oh, no, they exist.

• 5:40Speaker 00

  Well, when they're starting to pass legislation and states that you can't do it anymore, it's sort of, you know, they've revealed the wizard behind the curtain. It's been happening for a while. So we understand that. And I sort of use the analogy at the talk we did at YPO, you know, if you live within a 600 square foot studio apartment and there's mold in the drywall, then there's no way that you can mitigate or overcome the effect of that. You can do the best you can to minimize it and maybe you're proactive and you cleanse. But you know that if you live in an environment that at some level is deleterious to your health, that over time, the accumulation of that means that it's going to manifest in something. So by reframing the fact that the mind, which to me is really a space that contains

• 6:22Speaker 00

  the narratives that typically get formed in our childhood, is the space that we live in, it's the ultimate environment. To me, there's no more valuable piece of real estate than what is within the state of our mind. And for that reason, I know it's a bold statement, but I don't think there's anything more toxic than dialogues that are in any way self derogatory. You speak to, you know, all of these diseases probably way more proficiently than me, but like a lot of people ask me about things like cancer, and we understand the genesis of a cancerous cell, and I look at it energetically and emotionally, and to me, it's a cell that's really in a hostile environment, right? It's really, the primordial imperative of every being in human is to survive. And so the cell, which is just sort of the mini version, is got the same MO, it's just

• 7:07Speaker 00

  trying to survive. So if it's in a hostile environment, and in this case, it could be a series of different things that sort of give the impression of hostility or defined hostility. But for me, the mind, if it's got a narrative of, I'm not good enough, there's something wrong with me, I'm trash, nobody loves me, I'm not safe, you're living inside of that 24/7. So that to me is the ultimate, of course, I'm biased, but the precursor to disease is dis-ease, which is the absence of ease, which means, just from a purely physiological background, which I can speak to with my undergrad, is putting you in sympathetic mode.

• 7:44Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 7:45Speaker 00

  And then if you're in sympathetic mode, fight, flight or freeze, then there's no rejuvenation, there's no healing, there's no rest, you know, sleep is suddenly compromised, relationships become more acrimonious, and you know, you've got this sort of dysfunction, you're in a state of stress. And so that's why, understanding that the space you live with inside of this mind, if it has a consistent, persistent conversation that is in any way self-deprecating, you're living in a hostile environment.

• 8:13Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's, it's, there's analogy that someone told me one time, which is very, it describes what you're, you're saying.

• 8:22Gary Brecka?

  It says, you know, when when a fish gets sick.

• 8:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:24Gary Brecka?

  Uh, you know, we don't, we don't treat the fish, we treat the tank.

• 8:27Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 8:27Gary Brecka?

  Um, you know, the, the brain is kind of like the fish and the mind is like the tank.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 8:33Gary Brecka?

  Right?

• 8:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:34Gary Brecka?

  And if we don't clean these things out and they're constantly poisoning an otherwise healthy body.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:41Gary Brecka?

  Um, and without identifying anyone, you know, the, the, the person you were talking to.

• 8:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:48Gary Brecka?

  In the car, um, I mean outwardly, she's a beautiful woman, young, well spoken.

• 8:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:56Gary Brecka?

  Got along with my wife, just very, very engaging.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:59Gary Brecka?

  Um, but that was the fish, but in the, in the, in the mind, you were able to unpack.

• 9:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:05Gary Brecka?

  All of these.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:06Gary Brecka?

  Consequences of how the, the, the mind was affecting her.

• 9:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:11Gary Brecka?

  And so for somebody that's never been on a journey of introspection.

• 9:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:17Gary Brecka?

  Um, but has, doesn't know even how to go inward and.

• 9:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:23Gary Brecka?

  Find out where are these roadblocks? How do I, uh, unlock childhood trauma? How do I, um, unpack the narrative? That is working against me because a lot of times, you know, since these are inner monologues.

• 9:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:37Gary Brecka?

  Um, we might not even acknowledge that they exist.

• 9:41Speaker 00

  No, they're complete blind spots.

• 9:42Gary Brecka?

  And so it's, it's fascinating to me. I believe that all of us have some of these voices going on. Some of this inner narrative.

• 9:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:50Gary Brecka?

  And, you know, a lot of it has to do with, the only thing that our, our minds, our brains can actually conceive is what's already happened. It's hard to us to conceive something in the future.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:02Gary Brecka?

  So very often we take what's happened in the past and we just superimpose it on the future.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 10:06Gary Brecka?

  And.

• 10:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:07Gary Brecka?

  And you're sort of a fulfilling your own destiny.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:10Gary Brecka?

  And then you're not surprised when a negative outcome happens because you were expecting a negative outcome and you go, there, see, I'm safe. I knew everything was going to go to shit.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:19Gary Brecka?

  And it did.

• 10:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:20Gary Brecka?

  But I expected that.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  It's, uh, I, you know, you're somewhat familiar with my work and I know you're learning more, but I write a lot in quotes. And so the one that comes to mind as you say that is I say that being right is the poor man's version of self-worth.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  And so the ego, because it's fictitious in its actual nature, it's a it's an identity, it's a personality that, you know, nobody on the planet is their name, their nationality, their religion, but that's something that gets adopted. Typically, you're born into a family and therefore like I'm British and you're American and, you know, then it gets even more complicated with dogmas and religions and then we get bloodshed over things that were made up at some point. You start to see the absolute insanity from my perspective, you know, we're all beings underneath it. So when you recognize, okay, that we have this predisposition to want to be right, but what we're being right about is our shortcomings. That's one of the things that I was most fascinated is that someone say, I I knew

• 11:18Speaker 00

  that was too good to be true. I'll prove to you that this won't last. And it's like, wow, that's so inspiring. You get to be right about your inadequacies.

• 11:26Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 11:27Speaker 00

  I I my one of my first athletes.

• 11:28Gary Brecka?

  Such a reframe of how we think about things.

• 11:31Speaker 00

  Isn't it fascinating?

• 11:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 11:32Speaker 00

  I really saw this in display so often with athletes because like you work with a lot of athletes as well. And it's like you get those tangible results instantaneously. And when I I worked with my one of my first predominant, I worked with triathletes to begin with, and I had a PGA Tour player. We tripled his winnings in two seasons, not insignificant. Yeah. Back in the day, this was before Liv and, you know, the Saudi Sea brought a lot of money and they sort of the PGA Tour had to step up their game. But he was making about a million bucks, nine hundred thousand a year, which at the time was pretty decent, you know? And we went to two point two million in his first season and then three point six in his second season together.

• 12:10Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 12:10Speaker 00

  Same clubs, same clothing, same instructor.

• 12:13Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 12:14Speaker 00

  Different mindset. However, he hadn't had as much success as he even wanted. Like he was blown away, like he was on the verge of divorce. You know, his wife sent me one of the most moving texts I've ever received, you know, said, just before you arrived, I thought after 10 years that we were, this was going to be the end of my marriage. And now since you've come into our lives, it's the beginning of a new love affair, you know?

• 12:34Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 12:35Speaker 00

  So just through this change in perspective. But anyway, my whole point is, he said, look, I want to go to the next level. You've changed my life in every arena, but there's something obviously happened. On the course and you're not there with me. I'm not a caddy. He said, so caddy.

• 12:50Speaker 00

  So I said, okay.

• 12:51Gary Brecka?

  He said, I can do it. It's gonna be expensive.

• 12:53Speaker 00

  Exactly. So I never forget, we were, you know, at one of the Texas events, Byron Nelson. And he was playing very well. We went into the weekend. We were probably about four shots off the lead. So, you know, made the cut. It's four days of a golf tournament. The first two days is where everyone competes. If you make the cut, there's about a hundred and forty guys typically in a tournament. Seventy go through and then that's when you make the money, right? So the first, you know, half that lose, they go home, suck it up and see you next week. But he was in a good position. We're in the top ten. So primed for a good weekend. We get to the sixth green and he had parred everything and had a good look at a birdie a couple of times.

• 13:34Speaker 00

  And so he was a little bit frustrated. But so anyway, this particular green he hit, he had a long putt. I hand him the putter as the, you know, now newly positioned caddy. It's like his mind caddy.

• 13:47Gary Brecka?

  That's immersing yourself in your work, man. I admire that.

• 13:50Speaker 00

  Oh, no, I've been in some funny situations. I've sat in dugouts with some of the greatest baseball players. I remember when I first went in the MLB, I was in. Flip flops and guys are like, who's this clown? Some dude in flip flops in a dugout where they're always, you know, studs and spitting tobacco. But anyway. So I hand him the putter and he said to me, watch me three putt this. Now, perhaps golf isn't your thing or listeners, you know, if you have a par four, you want to get on the green ideally in two. And then one putt, which is called a birdie, which is one better than the course. So it's a, that's a, you know, an accolade. That's a good thing. Two putt is you, you know, you make a four, which is the score and that's called a par. That's okay. Not great. Three putt means he would have made a five, which is one worse than what is expected.

• 14:35Speaker 00

  So he was already predetermined. Watch me three putt this, meaning he's gonna make a five. And it was such a fascinating insight into way the insidious nature of the ego that he was more. Unconsciously determined to be right because what was actually happening is he was scared. Much of his world of prison that he lived in is like that he could mess up. It was more, he was Australian, so it was more like, I'm gonna fuck up. A slightly different lexicon.

• 15:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Speaker 00

  But anyway, so that was his way of mitigating the perceived stress of a disappointing outcome. Because even though it's not what you want, at least I'm right. Isn't that fascinating? And that's the differential between most people who become winners and those who are looking at winners.

• 15:18Gary Brecka?

  So it was a par two and he was going to three?

• 15:19Speaker 00

  It was a par four, he got there in two. Two par would have been okay, that's fine, no damage, right?

• 15:25Gary Brecka?

  Three he would have been.

• 15:26Speaker 00

  You ideally want to make it one par. You know, when some guy hits it near the pin and everyone's applauding is because he's going to tap it in and he makes a three on a four or four on a five. And that's great, you know, the lower the score in golf, the better.

• 15:37Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 15:38Speaker 00

  Didn't mean this to be a golf education, but the fact that he declared a future that was now the antithesis of what he as a professional athlete is trying to accomplish showed the absolutely insidious nature of the ego and how it's, yeah.

• 15:54Gary Brecka?

  Ego wanted to be right.

• 15:56Speaker 00

  Everybody's.

• 15:57Gary Brecka?

  Even though it was against his outcome.

• 15:59Speaker 00

  Everybody's and that's what we're up against. It is the greatest adversary, you know, that is the, you know, even Ben Hogan, one of the greatest golfers, he said, "The most difficult place course you'll ever play is the four inches between your ears."

• 16:12Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 16:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, and so that's what we're up against.

• 16:15Gary Brecka?

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• 17:00Gary Brecka?

  smarter today. Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast.

• 17:05Speaker 00

  So even with your work, which I am just so inspired by and happy to learn more and can't wait for, you know, my education to be advanced by you, that to me is secondary, not in a way that like I'm, you know, in any way putting myself above you, but relative to the mind being outside of the body, that's the ultimate influence, right? Because if you live in an environment, sort of the cascade of the hierarchy of the things that influence who we are, you know, for me, I get a little more esoteric, there's karma, we came here to incarnate, to process things. So that's the bigger picture. Beneath that, we have our genetic code, you know, you're not going to change the color of your eyes just by taking, you know, some supplements, right?

• 17:41Gary Brecka?

  Correct.

• 17:42Speaker 00

  That's pretty hardwired programming. Then the subconscious patterns, which give rise to the conscious thoughts, that eventually cascade through the physiology and manifest based on our predisposition, you know, will then, you know, lead to whatever the great things that you do to help replicate or to repair some of the things that people are creating. But for me, getting into that subconscious code, you know, even I know for myself, as we discussed off air, that like I have a high homocysteine. But I've never been on medication, it's not something that I, you know, apply to.

• 18:13Gary Brecka?

  Because there are more than one way, I mean, this is exactly what we were discussing. It's, you know, in, in human physiology, I don't know that there's ever absolutely only one way.

• 18:22Speaker 00

  No, not at all.

• 18:23Gary Brecka?

  And I think a risk of science in general is that, you know, we think very often that science is done, it's finite, it can't be questioned, it can't be challenged, this is it. It's as absolute as gravity.

• 18:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:39Gary Brecka?

  And, and it's not, you know.

• 18:40Speaker 00

  That's why I love Ayurveda, which we started to talk about, because I studied that for 25 years and I remember.

• 18:44Gary Brecka?

  The oldest form of medicine in the world.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it makes today's modern medicine, which we both know is not healthcare, sick care and disease management, right? You know, pharmaceutical companies aren't celebrating in their HQ when they discover their drug sales have dropped, you know, it's like, no, they're pushing more like reps out there. And so from a point of view of Ayurveda, one of the things that I love so much, one of the tenants, they said, the greatest vajra, vajra being a doctor, is the one who has no patients. And I don't mean like ability to be with people, but he has no people he's helping because he has empowered and educated his community how to take care of themselves. And yeah, you know, I spent a lot of time in L A when I first got here. And it's like, you know, who who's who's the best doctor? Who does everyone go and see? I'm like, how freaking good could he be if everyone's gonna see him?

• 19:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 19:30Gary Brecka?

  That's actually a really, how good could he be if everybody keeps going to see him? That's called job security, which you don't want in a in a doctor. I mean, I I'm very familiar, not as familiar as you are, but I'm very familiar with Ayurvedic medicine, one of the oldest forms of medicine, based largely on observation, which I think is excellent, because we really, people stand in front of us and we don't see them.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  No.

• 19:53Gary Brecka?

  As, you know, especially in medicine.

• 19:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:55Gary Brecka?

  We we we might see the lab values, but we don't see the person.

• 19:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 19:59Gary Brecka?

  And we don't see their stress. We don't see the color of their eyes. We don't look at their tongue. We don't.

• 20:05Speaker 00

  What's going on at home? How's your relationship? You know, you sit down with a doctor for three minutes and it's like da da da, you know, this particular ill for this particular pill, next.

• 20:14Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:14Gary Brecka?

  So back to, you know, the fascination that I have with trying to unpack this on on our own.

• 20:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:24Gary Brecka?

  You know?

• 20:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:25Gary Brecka?

  We all know that we have some limiting beliefs. We have some limiting thoughts. We all have an inner monologue that we don't share with the outside world.

• 20:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:33Gary Brecka?

  We only share with our inside world. And the way that you frame the egos is so incredible, because we want to be right.

• 20:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 20:43Gary Brecka?

  For our ego.

• 20:44Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 20:45Gary Brecka?

  I was right. But very often, being right is the antithesis of the outcome that we want.

• 20:50Speaker 00

  Correct.

• 20:51Gary Brecka?

  And we don't realize that these conversations are are happening.

• 20:55Speaker 00

  No.

• 20:55Gary Brecka?

  Where do they come from? Like, what is the genesis of of these conversations in our mind?

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Great question. And I feel that's where if I were to sort of, you know, differentiate myself from a lot of great teachers, coaches, therapists out there in the world is for whatever reasons, just like you have the brilliant insights that you're able to get to, you know, I heard your talk today, which is great about like, being diagnosed as A D H D or whatever, when you were a kid, and that actually was sort of turned out to be your superpower, you know, this sort of ability to recall and to memorize. And I think for me, if I have sort of some inherent gift, it's that I. I delineated what I consider to be the ten primal prisons or constraints of the subconscious. So just as we have certain genetic codes that we all have, you know, like whatever it is, ninety nine point whatever percent that we're all the same.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  So for me, from the perspective of the identity and the ego, we all have the same ten primal prisons. And so this is what I'm writing about in my first book. And so that's where it comes from is really it's the opportunity that it is to be human. To me, this is cosmic hide and seek, right? We're souls, boundless, timeless, limitless beings, incarnate into this confined identity to have a human experience, to feel the experience of separation and what it is to have to survive, such that we can bring to the surface and ultimately to transcend the constraints with which we arrived. And the ultimate destination then is liberation. To me, that's the sole purpose of being human. And so

• 22:21Gary Brecka?

  Sounds like a definition of the soul.

• 22:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:23Gary Brecka?

  You know,

• 22:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:24Gary Brecka?

  This continuum.

• 22:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:26Gary Brecka?

  And so because we all have these inner monologues and and we all have this narrative going on in our mind.

• 22:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:35Gary Brecka?

  I want to give people some some tools that they can use to bring awareness to it.

• 22:40Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:41Gary Brecka?

  Because I think that it's so ingrained in our the physiology of how we live, how we think.

• 22:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:48Gary Brecka?

  That it's not something that we recognize, you know. You know, listening to you talk to this this woman the other night.

• 22:56Gary Brecka?

  What was fascinating was how she was unaware

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:00Gary Brecka?

  of how her own limiting beliefs

• 23:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:03Gary Brecka?

  were limiting the exact outcome that she was after.

• 23:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:06Gary Brecka?

  And I found it very fascinating and and while you were, I don't know what you want to call it, psychoanalyzing her, I was doing the same thing in the front seat by myself.

• 23:15Speaker 00

  No, you were tracking beautifully.

• 23:16Gary Brecka?

  Going through my own checklist, you know. And and then my ego popped in and said, well, she's way worse off than I am. I'm good.

• 23:25Gary Brecka?

  Then it protected me, right?

• 23:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:26Gary Brecka?

  And then I actually caught myself and I was like, well, that's exactly what he's talking about.

• 23:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:31Gary Brecka?

  Is your ego wanting to be right.

• 23:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:33Gary Brecka?

  You're okay because somebody else is worse.

• 23:35Speaker 00

  Yeah. Finding out validity through comparison is like one of the ways that we try to To survive, yeah.

• 23:40Gary Brecka?

  It's so, it's, it's so incredible. I, I, I intentionally, intentionally focus on not being that person. I, I, I don't feel like I'm good because somebody else is bad.

• 23:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:52Gary Brecka?

  There's a lot of that pervasive mentality in my industry that I'm good because everybody else is bad.

• 23:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:58Gary Brecka?

  Or Gary made one mistake saying something. So everything that he says is absolute garbage. And he's a charlatan and what have you. And that's for them to deal with them. That's them protecting their own ego.

• 24:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:12Gary Brecka?

  But so how do we begin this exercise of even just drawing awareness to some of these voices, some of this inner monologue?

• 24:20Speaker 00

  Great question, and I love your dedication to your community. It's beautiful. So.

• 24:23Gary Brecka?

  Thank you.

• 24:24Speaker 00

  Uh, my crass response is, you know, whatever pisses you off. That's life. You know, my more profound poetic is again, I write in quotes. And one of my more popular ones is that life will present you with people and circumstances to reveal where you're not free. So if you really get that, like that to me is this dimension, that is the opportunity. It is a being who's incarnated. You know, the gods, again, without getting too out there, didn't say, oh, go to planet earth, it's Nirvana. No, go to planet earth because your in-laws are going to piss the fuck out of you and you're going to get divorced. And you know, that's where you're going to have to process stuff, right? So this dimension that we're all hearing is because we arrive with our constraints. The opportunity in common vernacular, it's like, what are you triggered by? You know, that's triggered me so much.

• 25:08Speaker 00

  The trigger is, the, the misnomer is that you're at the effect of life. I'm upset because, fill in the blank. My wife, my kids, my boss, my neighbor, you know, somebody else who did something to elicit an expression or reaction. That's how it occurs. It's like when people say, I'm so worried what other people think about me. No, you're not. You're not. You're worried what you think other people think about you. Which is a relationship itself, right? So everybody else is equally worried about what you think about them. They're not worried about you, right? So.

• 25:37Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  When you start to unpack these things, you start to see how, again, how slippery it all is. And as you said with the girl that I was helping, these are blind spots and they're actually deeper than beliefs. Beliefs belong to the identity. It's the you that you are for yourself. Which is a, perhaps a weird sentence, but if people really get that.

• 25:54Gary Brecka?

  It is.

• 25:55Speaker 00

  It's not the, I have a belief. It's the I that you think you are is the constraint that then generates the belief. All of our, yeah.

• 26:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 00

  Isn't that right? So.

• 26:04Gary Brecka?

  That's why I saw you.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  So that's why it gets so, so subtle. And again, why, you know, I would say if I have a superpower that's listening, because I can hear where people are lying to themselves and yet they're oblivious of that. So what I hear, like, just as you will see the presentation of symptoms, you probably see, you know, even the presentation of a body, let alone their data, right?

• 26:23Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 26:23Speaker 00

  But you can then reverse engineer that into, okay, well, because of X, the homocysteine, for example, or the danas, you know, you can take that back to, okay, well, this is, you know, follow the cookie trail and then let's go to the causative factors. I do the same, but psychologically. So if someone is dealing with a health issue, a relationship issue, a financial issue, uh, then I immediately, within a couple of minutes of them telling me a story, already know the predominant prison that they're defined by.

• 26:52Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I've heard you describe, and if you wouldn't mind.

• 26:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:55Gary Brecka?

  Walk us through a real life scenario with.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 26:57Gary Brecka?

  You've described a number of these.

• 26:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 26:59Gary Brecka?

  The YPO meeting, you used an excellent one with the basketball player.

• 27:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:03Gary Brecka?

  You know, sort of described one. And there was a, a, a woman, uh, who you also walked out of a similar prison.

• 27:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 27:13Gary Brecka?

  Uh, mind prison. Um, if you wouldn't mind, just identify one of these people and walk us through the, the, the process.

• 27:19Speaker 00

  Sure. There's so many and, you know, for those who really want to witness it, you know, better than me recalling conceptually to watch it in real time on my Instagram. I still get goosebumps, you know, and I've done this thousands of times, you know, so, but there's a couple that come to mind just because I was recently doing a live event and one woman, beautiful, articulate, you know, this is in front of a hundred people that I don't know. I mean, bearing a couple of friends or people who are repeat, repeat customers because they're like, I can't get enough of this. You know, this is a woman I've never met, 60, you know, smart, successful, articulate. And her quote, quote issue is she's like, you know, I'm just so hurt and scared because I would love to have another relationship. I've been divorced twice and both of my exes cheated on me.

• 28:04Speaker 00

  Something that unfortunately happens in everyday life. There's many people right now who are either, you know, the recipient of such infidelity or themselves acting from it. And so I said, okay. And so I wanted to get a little bit of a better understanding where she's from. And so typically I go straight to childhood to tell me a little bit, you know, what's your relationship like with your folks and da, da, da. And so she talks about, you know, perhaps the lack of affection. That's one contributing factor to the language that she learned to use. So I, again, one of my expressions is say there's language we use and there's language that uses us. So the language we're using, English. The language that uses us is the, uh, the, the code that we're oblivious to, the programming that God instilled at a very formative phase of our life that now we're

• 28:48Speaker 00

  being driven by. So I always want to find the language that's using somebody. So she started to tell her story and the, the one that really stood out is that her sister would, uh, older sister would, just like any sibling, pick on her, bully her, fatso, da, da, da, you know, you're not cool. You can't come and play with me and my friends. Just everyday stuff. But what people don't recognize is the degree to which that can actually have a lasting imprint. And here's a sixty year old woman, couple of marriages, kids. And so she said, I've done so much work, which a lot of people say, I've been to therapy and we've identified, you know, that, yeah, that I was made fun of. And so what I've realized is I believe there's something wrong with me. That's great. You've done a fair amount of work, but it's clearly hasn't mitigated whatever you're struggling

• 29:31Speaker 00

  with or you're suffering. So I said, okay, that's not inaccurate, but it's insufficient for the full story. So I said, okay, so when you're called fatso, obviously that hurts. As a kid, you know, I say there's two primordial emotions that are the basis of every human being's emotional scope. You're either hurt or you're scared, typically both. So it's like you feel the energy of a kid, right? When something happens that you're made fun of, you're mocked, you, you know, you tripped up in the classroom and people laughed or you did a presentation, you know, it hurts. What that then does is, I say, past hurt informs future fear, just as you were saying, right? We have this superimposition of past trials, tribulations. And so now the brain designed to predict and protect is rightly so, gonna say, well, how do I make sure

• 30:16Speaker 00

  that doesn't happen again, because that sucked, right?

• 30:18Gary Brecka?

  Right, so I start trying to protect myself.

• 30:19Speaker 00

  Which is the scared.

• 30:20Gary Brecka?

  Where the dialogue starts.

• 30:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, so we have people that we know.

• 30:25Gary Brecka?

  Even though I haven't started this relationship.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's the, you know.

• 30:28Gary Brecka?

  Self sabotage.

• 30:29Speaker 00

  Absolutely, self fulfilling prophecy, which is physics. So even though I'm, you know, spiritual teacher, the mind architect, whatever, really, I'm just dealing with physics like you, right? Like the conversation you just shared about, you know, a woman that had some questions about your process or the offense she took, you know, it's like you're explaining physics, it's okay. And so the same for me, it's like, it's that categoric, you know? If I sat down with a tech pro and I said, I want to build this particular website, and he had the ability to write code, and I want the background to be blue, there's a particular code that will give that effect. Same with language of the code of the mind. So for her, thinking there was something wrong with her, definitely impactful that she could see it, that's helpful. But what that would give rise to as a behavioral adaptation is now trying to make sure there's nothing wrong with her, right?

• 31:14Speaker 00

  You know, that she's broken somehow, well, then the logical approach is to try and fix herself.

• 31:19Gary Brecka?

  Fix it, yeah.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Which also manifests, especially as a woman, you know, being more subservient, secondary to the male, which itself is unattractive, because really it's a degradation of your own sense of self-worth, which energetically, whether it's aware or not, is unattractive. So the man is then gonna find, or the woman is gonna go and find somebody who's more confident, right? So again, self fulfilling. But anyway, I said to her, okay, well, that's definitely part of it. But if there's something wrong with you, that's the symptom of something much deeper. What does that mean? And I said, remind me, when you said your sister said you can't play with them, what does that feel like as a kid? You know, that really speaks to that primal sense of not belonging. And so we got to, or she got to, I try and get people to understand it sometimes, because it's so blind,

• 32:05Speaker 00

  they don't know until I say it, in which this case I said, you know, what if it's just that you're not wanted? And that, like, you know, going back to the mind being the space she lived in, when she suddenly saw the lights came on of the home that she's been in, which is she's not wanted, the floodgates just opened and the body starts to go into this sort of tremors and this response, very similar to a gazelle being chased by a lion, you know, where all of this pent up survival instincts.

• 32:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 32:33Speaker 00

  Which was beautiful, uncomfortable sometimes for the person, but she, she was such a trooper, you know, even at the age of sixty, the older we get, typically the more ingrained these conditioned programs are. And she's like, she just got it. She's like, oh, my God, of course I would attract humans that would replicate or at least reflect me not being wanted, which meant they had to cheat.

• 32:56Speaker 00

  And so when you understand the mechanics and what was for me, the most powerful part at the end is I said, okay, you know, so now do you see, like, I always investigate the validity of these statements? So is it true that you're not wanted? Is that an absolute truth? And she's like, no. That's when you step out of prison. You know, we use the evidence of our childhoods typically, and then that becomes, you know, reinforced over time, see that like my, my husband cheated, of course I'm not wanted, da, da, da. The next guy, and you know, it's like, we just want to be right again about our own shortcomings.

• 33:25Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  So, but what I do is I use this just basic questioning, is it absolute truth that you're not enough? Is it absolute truth that you're not wanted? Is it an absolute truth that, you know, you're not going to be okay? No, you, you know. Who could you be in the absence of that constraint? Wow, you know, I could be free. I, I mean.

• 33:46Gary Brecka?

  I could have a relationship with meaning. I could have a relationship that lasted.

• 33:49Speaker 00

  An entirely different existence.

• 33:50Gary Brecka?

  Deserves to be loved.

• 33:52Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:52Gary Brecka?

  Rather than someone.

• 33:53Speaker 00

  By herself to start with, because really all of her attempts were to overcome and compensate for who she was, the you that you are for yourself. She didn't know that who she is is not wanted. She just got to experience the ramifications of that perspective.

• 34:08Gary Brecka?

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• 34:52Gary Brecka?

  Now let's get back to the ultimate human podcast.

• 34:55Speaker 00

  And so now, and I just wanted to do a quick test because she was very smart. I said, okay, so what if now you see the pure possibility, love, connection, intimacy, infinity, all the things we want with the primal urge to belong, and especially as a woman, wanting to be held and safe. I said, you can see that's now, I'm so excited. She said, but also I don't need it now, which is so profound, right? Right? She'd found it for herself. And I said, I'm just going to do a little litmus test. If you date a guy and he cheats on you, does that mean you're not wanted? And she said, no.

• 35:26Speaker 00

  So she was even okay with the same result, but not eliciting the internal trauma that had been there for decades.

• 35:33Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, what was amazing about, um, uh, just because having been in proximity to you doing this and watching this sort of liberation happen in real time. What was interesting about you investigating this, this, this woman's

• 35:50Gary Brecka?

  picture of who she was.

• 35:51Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:52Gary Brecka?

  Was you, uh, she, she had just exited a tough relationship. And, and you know, it made her obviously feel very unwanted.

• 36:02Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:02Gary Brecka?

  And you said, well, what if I was to tell you that next week you're going to meet Prince Charming?

• 36:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:08Gary Brecka?

  You know, this is the one you've always waited for.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:10Gary Brecka?

  Right? And finally, uh, you're going to have the relationship that you wanted. She said, I wouldn't believe you.

• 36:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:19Gary Brecka?

  And it's, it's very, it was just very profound to me because, uh, I had a period like that in, in, in my life, you know, as a, as a scientist, you know, human biologist, um, biology background, very matter of fact, you know, this causes this, this leads to this, there's an explanation for everything. And I think men in general, there's a A book written years ago called Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus.

• 36:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:44Gary Brecka?

  Do you remember that one?

• 36:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:45Gary Brecka?

  And and they always talked about the man's toolbox, like.

• 36:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:48Gary Brecka?

  The woman is like espousing all this emotional stuff and as she's talking, she's not even getting to the end of her sentence.

• 36:53Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 36:53Gary Brecka?

  The guy's trying to fix it.

• 36:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 36:55Gary Brecka?

  Well, it hurts when you do that. Don't do that, you know? What do you mean? You don't like your best friend? Stop talking to her.

• 37:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:00Gary Brecka?

  But she's my best friend, but you don't like her, so just cut her off. But I can't do that, you know, like men are trying to fix, fix, fix. And then eventually, you know, as the book was saying, they just want to be heard.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:10Gary Brecka?

  I've learned that being in a marriage.

• 37:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:12Gary Brecka?

  But, um, you know, it was a very difficult time for me to realize that the repeated consequences of my environment

• 37:21Speaker 00

  Hmm.

• 37:22Gary Brecka?

  were all of my own self sabotage.

• 37:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:25Gary Brecka?

  You know, and I had become a very narcissistic person, developed this very egocentric personality.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:33Gary Brecka?

  Uh, that I was protecting. And when I left my previous industry and said, I'm gonna not just leave that industry, but that person behind.

• 37:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:42Gary Brecka?

  Um, and and you have to leave a lot of people in your past too, that still think that you're that person. Cause they they will drag the old you forward too.

• 37:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, of course.

• 37:51Gary Brecka?

  But it was the most liberating thing for me and mine was just a massive career shift.

• 37:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:56Gary Brecka?

  Not gonna predict mortality anymore. I'm gonna help people have healthier, happier, longer lives.

• 37:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:00Gary Brecka?

  The difference in the people that I have attracted.

• 38:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:05Gary Brecka?

  From my wife to the relationship with my children.

• 38:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:10Gary Brecka?

  Um, which is dramatically deepened since then.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:13Gary Brecka?

  To the relationships of the people that I've been blessed enough to be around in this industry.

• 38:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:19Gary Brecka?

  Um, so much more fulfilling.

• 38:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:22Gary Brecka?

  Than what what I had back then.

• 38:24Speaker 00

  A hundred percent.

• 38:25Gary Brecka?

  I wish I'd had you, you know, years, years before that.

• 38:28Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:28Gary Brecka?

  Because I think there's so many people that are, you know, in places in their life where they are frustrated. They're not happy. They're not happy with themselves. They're not happy with their environment, their relationship, what have you. And they're, like you said, looking to the outside world.

• 38:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 38:44Gary Brecka?

  Look what my neighbor did to piss me off. You know, my spouse did to make me feel this way.

• 38:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:50Gary Brecka?

  And I think going on this journey of introspection, is it possible for someone to do this themselves?

• 38:58Speaker 00

  It is. It just takes a profound level of discipline and self-reflection.

• 39:04Gary Brecka?

  And honesty.

• 39:04Speaker 00

  And honesty. I think the nature of life is relativity, right? You know, you're lying in bed, you're hot, you move your leg to another part of the sheet, it's cooler. Only do you have an experience because of relativity. And so in the experimental, experimental range and the experiential range of life, it's all based on relationship, you know, which is why relationships themselves, typically romantic, are normally the number one topic of conversation in any coffee shop around the world.

• 39:35Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  Um, because that's where really we're getting the reflection. So it is possible. I've certainly done a lot of introspection, but I also know I'm not naive to say that the profound shifts that I went through, similar to what you're just describing, which I'll speak to in a minute, I feel like are the byproduct of relationship, for me particularly romantic, you know, wherever I, you know, my parents died when I was very young, and so my first profound relationship where I thought had meaning and love as best as I knew it at twenty seven years of old, of age, you know, really when that, when she left me, you know, I thought my desperation and my fear and my upset and the sleepless nights was because of her leaving me. No, that was the catalyst to pull to the surface all of the unprost trauma

• 40:18Speaker 00

  of my parents dying and me being stuck in the narrative of I lost my parents, which is, you know, it's a common experience or a narrative that people, I was sorry for your loss, you know, I kept hearing that, like, oh my gosh, orphaned by the age of seventeen, it's awful, you know, and so you continually are getting reinforced the story of whoa. And so for me, relationships are the conduit, you know, especially, especially romantic, because it's almost like a surgeon, right? Like, I guess at one level, I'm sort of doing this emotional spiritual surgery. And oftentimes I'd walk into a sports team and the, the training staff, the coaches are like, you know, when you're not here, how can we help the guys? I'm like, you can't unless they're willing to open the door.

• 40:56Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 40:57Speaker 00

  Because the ego and the mind is, is, it's designed to defend itself. And so, you know, I use a very simple analogy of like, if I were the greatest interior designer in the world, got all the greatest furniture, my tastes are impeccable, everybody's seeking my counsel.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  If I went to somebody's house, barged through the front door, you know, with all of my guys and my furniture, you know, depending on which state I'm in America, I could get shot.

• 41:23Gary Brecka?

  Florida for sure. And Texas.

• 41:25Speaker 00

  And Texas and Montana.

• 41:27Gary Brecka?

  Los Angeles, you'll be fine.

• 41:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, they'll be fine. It's their fault.

• 41:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, so even I might be well sought after, I wouldn't be well received. So, you know, so a long-winded answer of saying, yes, you need interaction, you need communion, you need community, you need conversation. So for anybody at home, like, you know, in my, in my panel yesterday, I was talking about what, how people can start this process is just find at least that one person with whom you feel the least amount of judgment from.

• 42:01Speaker 00

  Now, I hope people at least have that, you know, it could, it might not be your spouse even, it might not be a parent. Typically, it's not, but it could be a best friend. It could be, you know, somebody at work who, for whatever reasons, you feel kinship and you feel like that they've got your ear. And I'm going to be speaking about that today. I think there are the three things that every human being craves more than anything is to be seen, heard, and held. And so that's the space to start to unpack because typically people don't know how to listen. People are too busy reacting. It's like, you know, the old radio expression of, you know, W I F, whatever it is.

• 42:35Gary Brecka?

  What's in it for me?

• 42:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:36Gary Brecka?

  W I I F M.

• 42:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And so that's typically the lens that people listen through. And so there's no holding somebody's reality. I, I was sharing on another show, like, I was at a retreat in Hawaii, working with a group, and this mother was talking about how she's so concerned for her younger son, who always feels inadequate relative to his older brother. And she can see the dynamic in the older brother because he's older, he's faster, quicker, smarter, whatever, you know. But for the younger sibling, this was like, you know, distressing, to the point that he kept saying, you know, he was feeling the malaise and the, the, the apathy of like, well, what's the point, you know, da, da, da, he's always better. And the mother, being very nurturing, would come in, no, no, no, you're this, and sort of giving accolades and acknowledgement. And I said to her, but you're not listening to him.

• 43:23Speaker 00

  And she was like, what do you mean? Like, you're not listening to his reality. You're reinforcing and superimposing your reality on top of his. And she's like, oh, my God, like, he's always telling me I don't listen. I said, well, there's your first clue. I said, I don't want him to stay there, but in order to be able to take him to a new frequency, you have to at least acknowledge where he's at. Then you can inquire, well, I really, what's that like to feel like that next to your brother? Get into his world. And immediately, what you're showing him is that you care, which is a value proposition. You know, the appreciation of a stock in a corporation that I work with is directly correlated, as far as I'm concerned, to the degree which you appreciate your personnel. Right?

• 44:06Gary Brecka?

  So true.

• 44:06Speaker 00

  Versus like making people wrong for mistakes, you know? Now people are living in fear and pressure. So she's like, oh, my God, I never thought about that. And I said, yeah, like, he just wants to be heard. Then when he's heard, he's gonna feel seen and valued. And then his value, which is his main concern relative to his brother, starts to, all boats rise with the tide, and he's gonna feel better about himself.

• 44:27Gary Brecka?

  Just by being heard to say, what's it like to?

• 44:30Speaker 00

  Yeah. Where did that start? And then you'll find a memory. Oh, you know, well, I don't know, I was playing with him like, you know, could be years ago, and he just didn't want me to play with him and his friends.

• 44:42Speaker 00

  Oh, my God, I can really see how that would hurt.

• 44:46Speaker 00

  Come here, you know, like, it's a totally different way of engaging. The thing that I always love, I always like to leave these sort of, you know, closing invitations, and I say to the woman, go home and meet your son.

• 44:59Speaker 00

  And she just lost it.

• 45:01Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 45:01Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 45:02Speaker 00

  So, but, so, point being.

• 45:04Gary Brecka?

  I think there's a lot of that, though. I mean, I, I, I grew up as, as an only child. But I raised three children.

• 45:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:13Gary Brecka?

  And now I have a fourth, um, who was Sage, who, who entered my life at a very young age. She was five and a half, she's seventeen now.

• 45:20Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 45:21Gary Brecka?

  And it's like, like a daughter to me because of the timeframe that she entered, entered our life. We have this great, modern family, but it is very interesting to see the dynamic between siblings. As they, as they get older, certain are very independent, some are dependent, not one's not better than the other.

• 45:39Speaker 00

  No.

• 45:39Gary Brecka?

  It's just interesting how the hierarchy coming into the house.

• 45:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:43Gary Brecka?

  Right, and establishing their domains.

• 45:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:46Gary Brecka?

  Um, leads to these vastly different personalities.

• 45:49Speaker 00

  And I would assert, you know, again, there's no evidence, you know, it's just intuition and people can take it or leave it. But that is a conscious choice from the soul to experience. Because it's often seen as, okay, you're the, the runt of the litter, you're the youngest, the weakest, you know, that, that's sort of the worst case scenario.

• 46:07Speaker 00

  But the number of people I've worked with who were the eldest sibling, who had no childhood. Because their role became, I'm responsible for the life with pressure of my youngest sister or brother.

• 46:17Gary Brecka?

  Mm hmm.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  And then they become the care provider, the people pleaser, they don't know how to speak up. Because their needs didn't matter relative to the younger sibling who was weaker.

• 46:26Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 46:27Speaker 00

  And so, you know, wherever you come in, you're here to experience what it is that you're wanting to transcend. So, and these are the stages like to, I want to, as a man of my word, come back to what you shared about this shift in your life. And you started to attract all these other people. To me, that's no different than shifting the frequency on a radio. You came from one particular vibration which attracted a particular, you know, in this case, music, which was the lifestyle, the people, the career. The dysfunction and the trials and tribulations. You shift currency, which, uh, frequency, which to me is like a vertical ascension. You, you, you, you tune yourself to a different vibration. And then just no different to a radio, the, everything is out there, all the data, you're just going to attract different scenarios.

• 47:08Gary Brecka?

  So incredible, I mean, just the, you know, the universal law of attraction, you know, I am such a deep believer now.

• 47:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:14Gary Brecka?

  Um, and you know, there's a lot of evidence, science and physics that are starting to explain this.

• 47:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:19Gary Brecka?

  Where we're getting more and more sensitive equipment, you know, where, where really starting to reveal this quantum entanglement. You know, where we really are truly all interconnected. You know, there are things, interestingly. Sometimes they don't fit the scientific narrative, so we just sort of push them aside. We talked about this the other day, and one of them is the quantum. A lot of people don't believe in this entanglement.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:42Gary Brecka?

  This universal entanglement, but it's very true.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:44Gary Brecka?

  And, um, you know, we call it intuition, all kinds of other things.

• 47:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:48Gary Brecka?

  It really is this interconnectedness. And I talk about this all the time about how in blue zones and longevity research.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 47:56Gary Brecka?

  Um, isolation.

• 47:58Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 47:58Gary Brecka?

  Was the single biggest impact, other than, you know, terminal illness or trauma.

• 48:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:04Gary Brecka?

  Um, and obviously a bus could take somebody out, but um, isolation for human beings.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:10Gary Brecka?

  As a comorbidity.

• 48:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:12Gary Brecka?

  Which is how we.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:14Gary Brecka?

  Put things into the model.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:15Gary Brecka?

  Um, had one of the greatest impacts on life lifespan. So if you wanted to cut somebody's life expectancy in half.

• 48:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:23Gary Brecka?

  At any age, you would put them in isolation. Um, you know, broken heart syndrome, you know.

• 48:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:29Gary Brecka?

  These, these, uh, we have these terms, but they're very real issues. And what you're saying is that, if I'm paraphrasing a lot of what you're teaching, is that we can be isolated in plain sight.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  Yeah. Some of the loneliest people.

• 48:46Gary Brecka?

  Isolated ourselves.

• 48:48Speaker 00

  Some of the loneliest people I know are married with kids.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  You know, I, like you, only child often, you know, I could assert that I've probably spent more time alone than any human being. Again, as a big claim, but you know, in that realm.

• 49:01Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 49:02Speaker 00

  And yet I'm not lonely, I've never been lonely. You know, and again, without sounding too poetic or like philosophical, I'm connected to source because I am source right now. Of course, I love companionship, the number of people like yourself and Sage that I've met on this trip that I'm so excited for. The friendships and the creations that we're gonna explore together. Um, but loneliness is really a reflection of being misidentified with the identity as opposed to the essence of who you are.

• 49:28Gary Brecka?

  Uh, say that again, loneliness.

• 49:30Speaker 00

  Yes, is where we become misidentified with our identity, our human existence, as opposed to the essence of who we are. We, we're human beings. The human points to the equipment.

• 49:41Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 49:41Speaker 00

  Brain and body.

• 49:43Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 49:43Speaker 00

  The being is the essence. Like if I died right in front of you, as inconvenient as that would be for the show.

• 49:47Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I mean, I'd have to cancel the podcast.

• 49:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, no, you'd probably be the most viewed. I mean, like someone died on your show.

• 49:54Gary Brecka?

  Well, he just died on your show, dude.

• 49:57Speaker 00

  You couldn't even fucking save him.

• 50:00Gary Brecka?

  Actually, good point. If you wouldn't mind.

• 50:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, that'd be great for numbers.

• 50:06Speaker 00

  I, as far as you see me, as most people, as a human, you know, my, my outfit, my clothes, my, every tissue and all of my organelles and my cells, they're all here. Where the hell did I go? Didn't see me get up and leave. So that to me starts to, just in pure logic, explain that the essence of who we are is ineffable. Like, we can only point to it. You know, it's the, all of these beautiful expressions, like the seeker is the sought is one of my quotes. Like, the essence of where we're looking from is what we're looking for. It's like a lighthouse, you know, it's a very simple.

• 50:38Gary Brecka?

  Essence of where we're looking from is what we're looking for. That is so profound because

• 50:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 50:45Gary Brecka?

  it's, we orient ourselves based on our perceptions, our mind.

• 50:53Gary Brecka?

  You know, it's, it's funny, years ago, I, I, I know a very, very famous stock trader and he, um, he's being interviewed on CNBC and, and they were talking about his history of picking great stocks and they, and they asked him, you know, what, what his secret was and you, you were expecting this big explanation about P E ratios and all of those things, performance and finding the, you know, the, the needle in the haystack that nobody knew about. And he said, um, the secret to my success is that I have come to materially understand that perception is more important than reality.

• 51:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 51:28Gary Brecka?

  And, uh,

• 51:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:30Gary Brecka?

  it is so true.

• 51:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:32Gary Brecka?

  You know, the fear of missing out makes people impulsively buy very often. It drives, it drove the whole dot com revolution. You know, most of these companies weren't worth the dust that floated around the paper they were printed on, much less the paper they were printed on.

• 51:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:46Gary Brecka?

  And then we get to billion dollar valuations because this fear of missing out.

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:49Gary Brecka?

  And, and I think we create these perceptions.

• 51:52Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 51:54Gary Brecka?

  Um, and, and that becomes our, our reality. Reality is really.

• 51:58Speaker 00

  Deception is reality. We live on one globe, but there's eight billion worlds.

• 52:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 52:03Speaker 00

  Because we all live in our own in reality. And it's so beautiful if you understand the mechanics of this dimension, that every human being will attract whatever is necessary for their own evolution. Isn't that cool? So you're not seeing, it's not the world you see, it's the way you see. And when people really get that, like, it's not that you're upset by or because of, it's just the way that you're interpreting that as usually a perceived threat.

• 52:28Gary Brecka?

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• 53:49Speaker 00

  You know, one of my early on quotes or expressions for myself is, you know, when I was growing and starting to be more at peace with circumstances, like, can I be with this? Whatever it is, can I be with this? Like, unaffected, not, not a victim of anything. And that to me was the equivalent to true peace and vitality. Dis-ease, the absence of ease, I'm not at peace with circumstance, you know. Oh, road rage, you know, that person just cut me off. Do you know that person? No, but you're giving them all that power over your internal terrain of emotional wellbeing.

• 54:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 54:22Speaker 00

  You know, that's a, that's a wake up call to, do you wanna be responsible for your health? Or do you wanna give it all over to that complete stranger in a piece of metal and plastic? You know, that interrupted your day for five seconds, you know.

• 54:33Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 54:33Speaker 00

  It's quite fascinating, you know, so that's where people really, again, for me, it's an on off switch. You're either a victim of circumstance or you're fully responsible for your life. End of story.

• 54:42Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 54:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, and that's a, that's a place that most people don't wanna go. They want the experience of it, but it's much easier to point fingers. But, you know, as they've often said, you point a finger at someone, you've got three coming back at yourself.

• 54:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, but that's the, that's the ego being, that's a protective mechanism, I mean.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  Which is isolation. I mean, what is one of the worst consequences for a human being? You get thrown in prison, and then how do you amplify that? Solitary confinement.

• 55:06Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  Second law of thermodynamics. You separate a piece, it's gonna entropy and eventually die.

• 55:11Gary Brecka?

  That's right.

• 55:12Speaker 00

  You know, and so what I'm speaking to is, you know, I, I can remember a line, I'm gonna see if I can actually recall it exactly, I said, you know, at the end, this guy was so scared that he, he didn't belong. He was, um, he was, uh, adopted into a family. So much of his story was, well, I, I wasn't actually part of the family. Which was really a deeper, you know, underlying sense of like, he just doesn't belong.

• 55:37Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 55:37Speaker 00

  Similar to not wanted, not loved, you know, they're all bedfellowed. And at the end, I said, welcome to the gang that you were never not a part of.

• 55:46Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Speaker 00

  Humanity, life.

• 55:48Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 55:48Speaker 00

  And that itself, like, cause he was worried, it started with Instagram posts. He's like, you know, I'm always worried about the one person who doesn't like my posts.

• 55:55Gary Brecka?

  Oh, my God. If I worried about the one person didn't like my post.

• 55:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:00Gary Brecka?

  I'd be in a hole somewhere.

• 56:02Speaker 00

  But it's something we can all relate to, you know, like we get nine compliments and one criticism. That's the one that keeps us up at night.

• 56:08Gary Brecka?

  It's so true.

• 56:08Speaker 00

  Because what it does is it triggers that part of us that we're here to reconcile.

• 56:12Gary Brecka?

  Especially if it hits close to that sensitive part that we've

• 56:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:16Gary Brecka?

  protected with our ego, especially if it does that.

• 56:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:20Gary Brecka?

  How do we become more aware? It's it's through talking to people like yourself.

• 56:27Speaker 00

  Mm hmm.

• 56:27Gary Brecka?

  That makes me more aware of the stages that I went through. But I won't say that I consciously said, okay, I recognize my ego. I've dismantled my ego.

• 56:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:39Gary Brecka?

  Um, I'm now this person, not that person.

• 56:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:42Gary Brecka?

  Um, it happened to me by, you know, circumstance, being frustrated with, you know, where I was really wanting a material change

• 56:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:50Gary Brecka?

  in my life. And along with that came this profound, deep sense of joy, connection, satisfaction.

• 56:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:57Gary Brecka?

  And now I'm I'm conscious of um, what really feeds my soul, for lack of better words.

• 57:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:04Gary Brecka?

  You know, where I really draw true enjoyment, which is almost entirely from the close to the the inner circle of my family. Like, I live for these in betweens with my kids and my wife.

• 57:17Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:18Gary Brecka?

  And the time that I, you know, get to spend with them just being real.

• 57:21Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:21Gary Brecka?

  And I would exchange any monetary cycle in my life, you know, for those moments.

• 57:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:27Gary Brecka?

  And it usually is very basic things, hiking in the woods.

• 57:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:32Gary Brecka?

  Driving razors around on the property, getting a workout in with my sons, you know.

• 57:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:36Gary Brecka?

  Um, but how do we begin this journey of even getting in touch with our our ego? Because sort of by its very nature, it's asking us to invite the question of whether or not we're not really in control or haven't been in control.

• 57:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 57:55Gary Brecka?

  Which has its own set of issues, right?

• 57:57Speaker 00

  Huge, yeah.

• 57:58Gary Brecka?

  So I think drawing awareness to the fact that, I mean, uh, the ego is, is really, really detrimental.

• 58:08Speaker 00

  It's the, the, the greatest adversary of our life, and yet for that reason, the ultimate form of accomplishment.

• 58:14Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 58:15Speaker 00

  And a lot of people, you know, the ego gets a bad rap and ego to me is interchangeable with persona, personality.

• 58:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 00

  Identity is just really like the you that you are for yourself, Peter, Gary, you know, it's like, whatever. And then it's got all of these undercurrents of like narratives that are like deleterious. So start with is awareness, right? Like I say, these two main buckets that I deal with is awareness to. Carl Jung said, you know, until the unconscious is made conscious, it will rule your life and you'll call it fate. Right? So, you know, the traditional definition of guru in Sanskrit is one who brings light. So awareness is really bringing light to that which you can't see, a blind spot. You know, the number of times I've worked with someone, oh my God, I've, I've, that's been there for forty years.

• 59:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 00

  And it's that, like, it's that sneaky, you know? And yet it's the greatest game of foot to me. Like this is the game and you know, when I start my three month mastermind, helping people understand and teach all of this. You know, I always say, you're not going to survive this mastermind.

• 59:20Speaker 00

  Cause the you that arrived is not going to be the you that leaves. Right? So, and that's a good thing, right?

• 59:26Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 59:27Speaker 00

  And so it's helping them understand that really who you are for yourself. The opportunity is to break out of that, like it's this sort of invisible, uh, like straitjacket for the soul. You know, right? And so how do we get there? We have to first of all, one of the best ways is really to become sufficiently aware, not necessarily even of your constraints, but of, become aware of the effects of circumstance, right? You know? The thing is, in this day and age, we've got so many means of escape, right, to meaning placate suffering and pain.

• 1:00:00Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:01Speaker 00

  Right, fill in the blank, you know, food being probably one of the first earliest ones, right, the early adopters of a, you know, comfort. And then, of course, we've got alcohol, nicotine, they were early on.

• 1:00:10Gary Brecka?

  Social media, just things to keep our mind busy, because, you know,

• 1:00:13Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:13Gary Brecka?

  being present, being silent. I mean, years ago was a very difficult thing for me. I never liked to sit in silence, so I constantly filled my time.

• 1:00:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Gary Brecka?

  And I think a lot of us do that.

• 1:00:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Gary Brecka?

  You know, the moment, you know, we, we arrive to a meeting, we're five minutes early, we can't actually just sit in the lobby and wait to be called, we've got to get on the phone. We've got to get that stimulus, we've got to, because maybe it's, you know, it's a threat to be with our own thoughts.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's the awkward silence on a first date.

• 1:00:43Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Speaker 00

  It's not awkward silence, it's just silence, and then you're left with your internal dialogue, which is awkward.

• 1:00:48Gary Brecka?

  Right, right, yeah, yeah. You're left with your internal dialogue, which is awkward.

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. I hope they don't find out what I think about me.

• 1:00:58Speaker 00

  Which of course, then you go into a marriage and hope to protect for the next twenty years until you can't do it anymore, and then they're like, screw you, I'm out of here, you know.

• 1:01:04Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:05Speaker 00

  Take your trials and tribulations and internal conversations to the next person.

• 1:01:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, my wife is always telling me, you're lucky you don't hear the internal conversations going.

• 1:01:13Speaker 00

  Well, we're gonna get rid of that, so I'm gonna work on that.

• 1:01:15Gary Brecka?

  No, that's great, I'm excited for you to work with Sage. You know, as a, as an Ayurvedic practitioner, um,

• 1:01:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Gary Brecka?

  too, which I find fascinating, that you've sort of melded all of these things, this left brain, right brain, ancient wisdom, ancient practice of medicine, the oldest, oldest form of medicine.

• 1:01:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Gary Brecka?

  They have these different, I don't want to misdescribe them, but body morphic images and, or body mors, for lack of better words, pita, vada, kapha.

• 1:01:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:43Gary Brecka?

  I think I'm a pita kapha.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Gary Brecka?

  And when it was described to me, it was incredibly,

• 1:01:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:01:48Gary Brecka?

  you know, spot on, I have all the manifestations of it, I run hot, you know,

• 1:01:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:52Gary Brecka?

  all those things. Um. Where does that play into all of this? Because as an Arabic practitioner, you don't just put that aside.

• 1:02:00Speaker 00

  No, no, it's a beautiful complement to the work, you know, for me, again, since I started like you, human biology, exercise physiology. I was a trainer to the stars for a few years, sculpting bodies. That was great, but it's dense, right? This stuff takes a while to shift.

• 1:02:14Gary Brecka?

  The people that go on the track that you and I are on, don't wind up where you are.

• 1:02:18Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:02:18Gary Brecka?

  Right?

• 1:02:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I feel very fortunate that I slipped into this through my own sort of trials and tribulations, fucking around, finding out and go through. Go through a ton of my own suffering, I kind of break through the other side.

• 1:02:29Gary Brecka?

  What was more helpful, the fuck around or the find out part?

• 1:02:31Speaker 00

  I think they were sort of inextricably connected. Can't have one without the other.

• 1:02:36Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:36Speaker 00

  Um, so I think, yeah, it's sort of, uh, it's a calling. It's a, you know, even on chat G P T, you look up Peter Crone, they're like, oh. His is more, it's not a work, it's so much as a movement and a calling, you know, it's like, so really. I have the audacity now to think that I can truly shift the course of humanity by ending human suffering. Because really, we're old, we're running a redundant operating system, which is based on survival.

• 1:02:58Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:59Speaker 00

  So, you know, when we get out of that, then it's literally an entirely different frequency to live from. It's an entirely new domain and world. Um, so, yeah, for me to, like, why I got there is, again, I just felt like I, I saw the matrix, you know, like, not just the movie, but the world that we live in, you know, that. Albeit a film from, it's hard to believe they made that twenty five, something years ago, maybe more. And it was so spot on, but it was a documentary about human life, you know? And so for me, for whatever, call it cosmic, my karma, my astrologers will always say, I've got Mercury and Jupiter in the first house. You're a guru, you're a great communicator, you articulate these intricate patterns, you make the profound palatable, you know?

• 1:03:40Speaker 00

  And so it's just Dharma, you know, it's like, why are you brilliant at what you do? Like, this is my realm of genius. And so I feel blessed, fortunate, um, that I can truly, uh, dissolve suffering, you know? I say I don't solve problems anymore, I dissolve them. So for me to get to that place where. I can remember I ski instructed for a while too, one summer during college, and I had two people at the top of a slope and I'd watched them come down. On paper, identical, you know, different name and family and astrology and whatever. But they had same body, same experience, same equipment. But one was super timid and one was just like, go for it. You know, that to me, then I started to see it's not hardware, it's software.

• 1:04:20Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:21Speaker 00

  And so then I was like, okay, this is like, okay, if I can change the software, then I completely indirectly impact hardware.

• 1:04:29Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:30Speaker 00

  And that's why the mind for me sits out the body. Because if you have code that is, I'm not good enough, I'm this, I'm that. Then your body is living in that sort of hostile derogatory environment. So at some time, depending on your constitution, you know, if you're Kapha, great, then I can understand that you can withstand.

• 1:04:46Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 00

  You know, you're thick as, you know, you're tough as nails. Your skin is thick, you know, literally, but also figuratively, you know?

• 1:04:53Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 00

  If you're Pita, then yes, you're going to have inflammatory disorders. So where it helps me in my work is it's supportive in as much as I know of utter person, more like a sage and it's like, you know, they're going to struggle more with future propositions that are like worst case scenarios, which then what's that going to create? Fear, anxiety, worry. How does that manifest in the physiology? Might eventually become Hashimoto's, adrenal fatigue, because you're too busy, like the hamster on the wheel, trying to figure what's going to happen because really you're being driven from the concern that you're not going to be okay.

• 1:05:21Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Speaker 00

  Pull the rug from beneath, it's like, oh. Then all of a sudden, the physiological impacts dissipate.

• 1:05:28Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  Pita person, I know they're going to run hot. What does that mean emotionally? They're the perfectionists. Light, fire brings the ability to see. So you and I have the capacity to see things other people can't see. But when it's out of balance, that becomes perfectionism, maybe even tyranny.

• 1:05:44Gary Brecka?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:44Speaker 00

  Right? The CEOs that we work with, they're visionaries, they see. But if they're out of whack and it's built on a foundation of not enough, then that has to be, they have to be in that position, they have to be right.

• 1:05:56Gary Brecka?

  Ah, yeah.

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  But fire, when it's balanced, is inspiration, it's teachers, it's people who see, they can help you see without making it a judgment or making you wrong. And then our beautiful, you know, Kaphas, like I said, they're a cumulative disorder. So I understand that they're going to hold on to things, they're going to be stuck in their history. They're gonna tend towards things like depression, guilt, shame. They're holding on, there's a heaviness. It's hard for them to get out of a relationship and a job. There's a density. So they need, you know, I can speak to a cuff way tougher than I can speak to a vata, who needs a little bit more mollycuddling.

• 1:06:29Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Speaker 00

  It's okay, don't worry about it. They wanna feel safe. They don't feel, you know, secure in themselves because they're all up in the ethers. Again, brilliant, tapped in, like, you know, they're so enthusiastic about life, they're passionate, they're spontaneous. They're the great P R and marketing people, you know, they're enthused, but then they collapse, you know. They get things really quickly, they forget them just as quickly, you know.

• 1:06:49Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:49Speaker 00

  They're gonna long term end up in the Parkinson's and Alzheimer's because they're degenerative disorders.

• 1:06:54Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:06:55Speaker 00

  So I can pull from all of these different energies and then immediately when someone's telling my story, you know, almost unconsciously, I can see, okay, well, they're a predominant person. They're gonna be super self-critical, you know, so where did they hear from a teacher, a high school coach, a mom, a dad that, you know, you're, you know, I have one of my M L B guys, he could go four for five at a baseball game, which is batting eight hundred, and he'd still kind of walk around like on his chin on his chest. I'm like, what's up? You know, and he's like, well, I could have, you know, I could have done better. I'm like, where, where, where did you learn that? And he's like, well, I don't know, we'd go home from games and my dad would always say, what happened at the fifth at bat?

• 1:07:30Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 00

  You know, so he's still in that code of like, it wasn't quite enough.

• 1:07:34Gary Brecka?

  You know, I, I, I heard you say there's, there are plenty of male professional athletes that are male professional athletes because they wanted to prove their father wrong.

• 1:07:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:07:43Gary Brecka?

  Um, and it just shows how profound these voices are.

• 1:07:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's nothing more, there's no greater virus than a thought.

• 1:07:54Speaker 00

  And to me, you know, there's nothing that hurts us more than our own thinking. And when you really get that, so to go back to your question, how people can start, look at the impact of the way that you talk to yourself over time. Sometimes it's not so obvious because it comes normalized, or as we discussed, you, you learn to escape the pain, you know, even medication, which is a medication, right? It's drugs, like, no one's taking medication in pharma. Medication is preventative or curative, right? If you, if you have to get a refill, you don't have a medicine, you have a drug. Very simple distinction, right? And so that's the first thing to see, anyone out there on any form of medication, whether it's social media, actual drugs, street or recreational, prescribed, food, sex, Netflix, you know, look at the effect.

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  You know, how many people say they have dreams and aspirations, get in shape, you know, create a business? Start a homestead. Whatever people are passionate about, but you're not doing it. Why? There's an effect, but you've just become okay with it. People become resigned and cynical. They're no longer like actually enthusiastic for their life. It becomes normalized.

• 1:08:54Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 1:08:54Speaker 00

  So that's one of the places to look at.

• 1:08:56Gary Brecka?

  Because normal is safe, you know, I mean.

• 1:08:58Speaker 00

  It occurs as safe. It's actually the most dangerous way to live.

• 1:09:02Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I totally agree with you.

• 1:09:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:03Gary Brecka?

  Wow. Um, I, that was, that was amazing. Um, Peter, I mean, first of all, where can my audience find out more about you?

• 1:09:13Speaker 00

  Uh, just my name is everywhere, like in terms of all the platforms, meaning it's not everywhere, everywhere. But it's peterkrone.com for a website. It's at peterkrone for Instagram, my LinkedIn, my Facebook. Um, yeah. So I think my Instagram is probably the most informative. Like I don't post pictures of me, you know, with cars and salads. It's all like, hopefully, it's all hopefully inspirational clips.

• 1:09:35Gary Brecka?

  Salad.

• 1:09:36Speaker 00

  I don't know what people do.

• 1:09:37Gary Brecka?

  So inspiring.

• 1:09:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:09:39Gary Brecka?

  See your Lamborghini and your quinoa salad.

• 1:09:41Speaker 00

  Exactly. Here's my lunch today. No, I like to take clips from beautiful conversations like this. So hopefully it's super informative. If people want to see live in action when I'm working with people. Uh, because everyone can relate, you know, that's the beauty. I can work with six people in front of hundreds. And yeah, everybody got something because, oh my God, that's how I feel, you know? So the vicarious effect, it's.

• 1:10:00Gary Brecka?

  Do I always take questions from the audience too?

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Gary Brecka?

  Because somebody brave enough to raise their hand and ask the question, there's somebody five seats away. That's the exact same question.

• 1:10:08Speaker 00

  One hundred percent. And somebody who didn't even know they needed the question.

• 1:10:11Gary Brecka?

  Exactly.

• 1:10:12Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:10:13Gary Brecka?

  Well, fantastic. I don't think I've ever been more excited to ask a guest this question because

• 1:10:19Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:10:19Gary Brecka?

  I end all my podcasts by, by, uh, asking the same question. And then after this, we're gonna go into my VIP group and they have some special questions for you. I have this group of, uh, called the, called the ultimate human VIPs. And, um, this is the community that I'm really trying to build to

• 1:10:36Speaker 00

  Amazing.

• 1:10:37Gary Brecka?

  Influence the world. And I let them know ahead of time it was coming on the podcast. So

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  Oh, awesome.

• 1:10:41Gary Brecka?

  They have some questions for you.

• 1:10:42Speaker 00

  Okay, great.

• 1:10:42Gary Brecka?

  Um, but I end all my podcasts by asking every guest the same question and there's no right or wrong answer. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:10:52Speaker 00

  What does it mean to be an ultimate human? I think I already have a predisposition because of my work. To be a being.

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  Who not only embraces their humanity, but recognizes the misidentification with it, such that they can really live from the essence of who we are and therefore experience true freedom, love and possibility.

• 1:11:15Gary Brecka?

  From the essence of who we are. That's a big distinction.

• 1:11:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, because most people are, most people are trying to get away from something they don't want, right? Even with the people where they have their issue, the hypopla-, you know, hypertension and like the, whatever's going on in their physiology. So most people, again, I say you'll never create the life you want by trying to fix the life you don't want. And that's the way that most people are currently wired. I have my problems, health, wealth, relationships. How do I fix it? Which only perpetuates it. That's trying to get away from something. If you're more proactive, you're at least working towards something. But they're both based in time. And for me, I want to live from something. The essence of who we are. So that is to be the ultimate human being is to live from the essence of the timeless, limitless beings that we are.

• 1:12:04Gary Brecka?

  If it's not the best answer I've had so far, it's up there. Hundreds of episodes. Peter, this was absolutely amazing, brother. Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to continuing to get to know you

• 1:12:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, likewise.

• 1:12:18Gary Brecka?

  And following your work. You definitely piqued my interest and I think my audience is gonna absolutely love this.

• 1:12:23Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:12:24Gary Brecka?

  Guys, until next time. That's just science.