Ryan Clark, Fred Taylor and Channing Crowder reshape sports media with resilience, talk Football, Lane Kiffin, LSU, Arch Manning, college rankings, HBCU's, Angel Reese, Caitlin Clark and the reality of Hyrox competitions

"When one door closes, another opens and if it doesn't, kick it down until it does." Ryan Clark Football season is back, we kicked off week 1 launching our own kick off with our new Sports Studio show as Ryan, Channing and Fred share their journey of resilience, redirection and shaking up the industry. It's a lesson in rebuilding and turning let down into opportunity and the guys share how they pulled off mission impossible efforts to kick off the football season in a new pivotal way. The guys reflect with raw emotion, thoughtfulness and share the highs and lows of the process rooted in brotherhood to get to where we are now. Leading right into College football season kick off and RC's LSU Tigers coming out strong, Lane Kiffen's leadership, Arch Manning the future, top ranked colleges and the support of HBCU teams. Giving their insights and locker room takes while having fun talking off the field like RC's Hyrox adventure, Chan's sports-parenting and Freddy T's reflection on life as we get into a new season of life. Also, the guys applaud Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese quieting the unnecessary noise as WNBA season is underway. Full video episode out now on Netflix. And Check out our new Sports Show on Mondays at 2pm est on The Pivot YouTube Channel. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:30Ryan Clark?

  Some things are hard to put into words. You start a show with two of your friends thinking it'll be one thing, and somehow it grows into something you never could have imagined. So I'd like to introduce you to the Pivot Sports Show. I'll always be grateful for what this podcast became after ESPN let me go. It gave me a place to tell my story, a place that felt safe. And eventually, it's given me something even bigger, a platform to do what I love most, talk football. Man, what a ride it's been. Just a week ago, we announced our deal with Netflix, and the support has been overwhelming. And now, as Freddie T. so perfectly put it, we got two shows, one for the phone and one for at home. All right, so we stole that from Gates. Today, we're talking the Pivot Sports Show, Netflix,

• 1:13Ryan Clark?

  and Arch Manning's big day and huge comeback against Ohio State. We slide down to Baton Rouge because LSU might be the new Colorado. We talk Katelyn Clark and Angel Reese's relationship, and Katelyn Clark's answer, and why I say she's really always been solid. I was asked to do high rocks, but now, since I know people are pooping themselves, I probably won't. And we'll finish on people who are married but rather not have sex. And listen, just because we got two shows, that does not mean that Channing is changing. I know I say it every show, but thank you for continuing to pivot with us because we love y'all, and we don't take any of this for granted. So welcome to a rare Tuesday three-man weave. It's just me, Chan, and Freddie T.

• 1:57Ryan Clark?

  Talking about some of the things happening in our world with the people we love most.

• 2:23Ryan Clark?

  Well, shit, I guess the cat's out the bag.

• 2:27Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, it is.

• 2:28Ryan Clark?

  Welcome to the Pivot. Pivot fam, this is Channing Crowder. This is Fred Taylor. I am Ryan Clark, and this is not the Pivot Sports Show. This is just the Pivot. Pivot fam, thank y'all for pivoting with us. Fellas, I mean, I want to say this to both of you. I got to tell Fred, man, thank you both from the bottom of my heart. Y'all know what doing that job meant to me and the people that got to see me do it. Y'all know what Mondays meant to me. I know it's a sacrifice. Both of you guys have younger kids than me to be in the day before we shoot and study and be up late and be here early in the morning.

• 3:10Ryan Clark?

  Like, it was, it meant the world to me that we got to sit here and do it our way today. You know, we tried it before, and this time, you know, it's us. And we've added Freddie T., man. So I just think it's going to be a really cool deal what we get to do. True statement, Freddie T., be real. Did you think we could pull it off in this amount of time?

• 3:31Fred Taylor?

  You know what? I totally thought it was, it was whichever direction you wanted to go with it, much like the text I sent you a couple of days ago. You got to have the courage to be able to want to go out there and create something, believe in something, then be able to take a step forward to make it come to fruition. You got to start there, but then to follow through, to be able to witness it. You know, the conversations with Chan behind the scenes in the car ride when we go from show to airport or whatever, those conversations with Alicia, and it was just that, that, that pivot, pivot, pivot. How are we going to build and make it come to fruition? So whether I believe it or not, it's here.

• 4:13Fred Taylor?

  And, you know, in the, in the tone, my best Kevin Gates.

• 4:20Fred Taylor?

  Not, not even voice, but in the tune or the sounds of Kevin Gates, we got two shows. Watch on the phone or watch it at home.

• 4:29Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 4:30Fred Taylor?

  I mean, it is what it is, so.

• 4:32Ryan Clark?

  I like it.

• 4:33Fred Taylor?

  I got some more to that, too, now.

• 4:35Ryan Clark?

  I like it.

• 4:36Channing Crowder?

  I doubted it because of how big, especially when we started explaining it to us and we did the rehearsal. And I was like, oh, this is, this ain't GoPros. This is an NFL film studio. Like, when you were talking about it and bring it up and the expansion and all. And then when I saw that, I was like, oh, okay, this is, this is. That's when I knew it was going to be something. Before that, I thought it was, you know, some patchwork stuff. I have to be honest. But the funny thing is that we always tell people like post-career, like, put that, I've said it a hundred times, like, you work so hard to make it to the league, any league, any professional sport, even college guys. Put that same passion into something else. A lot of people don't do it. I say that's what you do.

• 5:18Ryan Clark?

  Man, thank you.

• 5:19Channing Crowder?

  But this media stuff, with the love that you have for it, you act like this is leading up to the Super Bowl every single show.

• 5:29Channing Crowder?

  And I, I don't know if I'd have the passion for football or media, but I'd be like, yeah, Ryan, we cool, like.

• 5:36Ryan Clark?

  Lot of text messages.

• 5:37Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I'm getting on the flight, bro. I'm coming, I'm like, we good. But, bro, your, your passion is what, is what makes, and what is what makes a lot of stuff work. But this new show on Mondays, your passion really set this thing on.

• 5:49Fred Taylor?

  You ain't even know he went to sleep at 4:00 a.m. Was back in here at, what, 7?

• 5:54Channing Crowder?

  I text him on accident, and before I hit send, the little bubble popped up. I said, damn, bitch, you got your phone set? Like, you ain't put your phone down?

• 6:04Ryan Clark?

  Nah, man, it was, um, you know, the, the thing is, I thought we'd at least get to the show. And when I realized we'd get to the show, I thought it would work. So I don't have a fear that it wouldn't work. The fear I had was it'd work, it'd be really good, and I still wouldn't be content. But I'm content. Like, I'm actually happy. And, you know, people like to talk about the fact that I cry a lot, and that's fine. You know, there was a moment, none of you were around. I was sitting on the, um, in the makeup room, and I just cried. And I just, I just thank God, you know, because when y'all called me the first time,

• 6:48Ryan Clark?

  I just wanted to do a podcast. And I was like, I want to be really good at that. And when we started this endeavor, I was like, man, I think it'd be really cool to have a show. And I'll be honest, I thought super small. Every time somebody brought up a big idea to me, I was like, ah, I don't know if we're going to be able to do that. And, I mean, think about it, bro. Our announcement was narrated by Jalen Hurts and Odell Beckham Jr.

• 7:15Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, the place God put me in, where I could pick up the phone and those people answer it and say, I got you. And we talking week one of the football season. Two men that kept their word to me to do that, man. And I don't in any way take that for granted, but I don't see that in any way different than what I see what both of y'all did for me. And like, I ain't going to lie. I understand the sacrifice because, like, we've been grinding. I know people would see our show and be like, I know y'all making boo-ku money. We were waiting for the right thing. And we were just working, and we got to the right thing. And y'all could have been like, shoot, we getting paid? Like, I ain't tripping. But for y'all to want to build this and do this,

• 8:00Ryan Clark?

  and I do think this becomes something bigger. I do hope we could do multiple days and this becomes a job. Like, not just an endeavor, not just a hobby, not just something we're doing because we don't have another thing, but something we're doing because it's great and we want to be a part of it. We want it to happen. I do want to say I love what y'all both brought individually. Remember the first time I talked to you about it, what I said?

• 8:32Channing Crowder?

  I was, I was acting up. Cause we, we talked about it.

• 8:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 8:37Channing Crowder?

  And I was just messing around, making fun of playing. And when you turned and said, that's, I want that Channing. I need him, I need him on the show.

• 8:45Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 8:45Channing Crowder?

  I don't need this breakdown, trying to be, I want that. And I took, I took it hard. I was like, okay.

• 8:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Channing Crowder?

  I love that. I was like, oh, he want, he want bullshit in the locker room, me. Oh, that's cake. I can give that seven, seven out of two days if you need that. And that's, and that's the, the beauty of, like you saying, your creative mind, which I'm, I always say I'm not a creative. People argue with me like, no, you, people that are funny are creative. But I don't look at it that way where I can see things from the outside. I'm just in the world. I'm in it. And so I think having, honestly, both of y'all around me, different people and listening to them, even though I'm gonna argue with you, no matter what you say, I do listen and y'all know that. I listen, I take it in, I'm gonna argue, but then I'm gonna go back to my room and, and really run the, run the conversation back in my mind and take from it what you're trying to say, even with the pushback that I have. And anybody that knows me know I'm gonna do that.

• 9:33Ryan Clark?

  Say, bruh, have y'all seen Clay Matthews? I'm talking new and improved. That's max face, biceps swole up and them calf implants. See, y'all already know, I would wear shorts if I had some of them.

• 9:47Channing Crowder?

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• 10:00Fred Taylor?

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• 10:06Ryan Clark?

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• 10:11Channing Crowder?

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• 10:42Ryan Clark?

  And that's the same thing with Freddie T, man. When we got to the production meeting and he pulled out them 17 pages of loose leaf. Who carry loose leaf though?

• 10:51Channing Crowder?

  What you get that from?

• 10:52Ryan Clark?

  Where you get loose leaf?

• 10:55Fred Taylor?

  Construction paper. I don't even know what that is, man. Nah, I did, I did have some loose notes, but that's just, alright, don't question my dedication.

• 11:04Ryan Clark?

  No, your dedication is locked in.

• 11:05Fred Taylor?

  Write it on anything. Write it on a napkin if you need to. But nah, you know what? Just traveling to do the first game in Jacksonville.

• 11:11Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 11:11Fred Taylor?

  My, my, my, Cannon, my son, loving to death, he rearranged my whole program. I usually have a, a, a case that I travel with for my notepad and my iPad. I lost my iPad. Cannon uses a computer. So he just misplaced my stuff and I got stuck with loose leaf, so.

• 11:28Ryan Clark?

  Bro, that joke was funny when you pull that jug out just morning.

• 11:31Fred Taylor?

  I, I had it folded. You know how y'all go on TV and it's folded? I'm like, let me just fold mine up. But then I asked for a notepad and Alicia saved us, so.

• 11:41Ryan Clark?

  Hey, Chad, I said, he really old. Like, he got loose paper, dawg.

• 11:46Channing Crowder?

  I'm trying to cheat off his tab.

• 11:47Ryan Clark?

  Hey, he was covering, hey, he was covering it up.

• 11:49Channing Crowder?

  How much you got, Freddie? I don't know that good, boy.

• 11:52Fred Taylor?

  Who, who in charge of the Surface Tablet right here? Can we get a plug?

• 11:55Ryan Clark?

  Hey, we need to get a deal. Surface Tablet, hook us up. I will say this, man, and this is off the subject from what we thought about talking about, but that's what's great about having your own show. I was having a conversation about the three of us, talking to a close friend of mine, and I said, the one thing I admire about Channing, I said, you can have any conversation with him. I said, he can be uncomfortable. I said, y'all can disagree. And I was like, and as long as there's a mutual respect and love and he knows that. I say, when he, when you, next time you see him, like, he could walk in the building and come out, he gonna be exactly the same. And I was like, and I, and I admire that you don't hold it. And I also said, oddly enough, that you listen.

• 12:40Ryan Clark?

  I said, he argues. I said, I was like, I was like, cause he's just naturally a contrarian. I said, but then when you see him the next time, there's something that happened in that conversation that he takes heed to. I was like, whether he does it or doesn't do it, like, he's heard it. And I think that that's like the important part about like growing. You ain't gotta like everything or actually accept it. But if you could have a conversation, bro, and respect people's opinions, I think that's the most adult thing in the world.

• 13:07Channing Crowder?

  Somebody asked me this recently. They just asked me what solid means. Cause you, you know, everybody says it real willy nilly. Oh, RC, he's solid. Freddie T, he's solid. He just said it. We can disagree, we can argue, we can, we can fight, we could really cuss each other out. Next time I see you, bruh, what's up, bruh? You good? Man, man, how the kids, really? Like, yeah, no, no, no. This isn't, this isn't our relationship. This is a moment.

• 13:32Ryan Clark?

  This conversation.

• 13:33Channing Crowder?

  This is our conversation. This is that conversation. That's what I say. When I talk about people being solid, you just described it.

• 13:37Ryan Clark?

  Got any questions then? How about this one? LSU, the new Colorado. Woo! All the stars wanna be at LSU. And here's the thing, Chad, we accept them all. You wanna come around here like Theo Vaughn, Olivia Dunham, what's her name, Laney Wilson?

• 13:56Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 13:56Ryan Clark?

  You could come, you come, you come to the game. Guess who we got the next week? Will Sett that, oh, Sett that, oh, Will, yeah. They called me bad and I'm punishing you. Yo. And now we got Wheezy and Boosie there. Bro, we the new Colorado. Now, Deion had it at Jackson State.

• 14:14Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 14:14Ryan Clark?

  He has it at Colorado, but Deion got it because of Deion, right? If Deion went to Idaho, people would wanna be around Idaho because he makes things cool. LSU always been like, from a football standpoint, like that. Bro, Lane has really changed how folks in Baton Rouge acting right now, dawg. It's a whole different thing. If they go up to Ole Miss this week and get this W, you ain't gonna be able to tell the football world nothing about Baton Rouge, Chad.

• 14:46Channing Crowder?

  I disagree with you. Don't, you didn't have that when Saban was there. Come on now, RC. I know you are proud Tiger. It is all Lane Kiffin. Lane embraces that, what's the, the, the, all the good girls, the little smart girl, they want the bad boy. Y'all are waiting for the bad boy and Lane Kiffin skipped his ass down into Baton Rouge. Congratulations now. I agree with you. It's crazy now. Lane doesn't care what you think about him. Bad guy. Lane doesn't give a damn what anybody, he said, he ran off, went about what, 31? Like, he losing and talking about, what, what if I had all my players? Bruh, I love Lane. We had Lane on the show. We all love Lane. I, I, I speak for y'all. Bruh, Lane brought that there and it's a problem because y'all are really good.

• 15:28Channing Crowder?

  Already with the roster. Man, I'm excited, even though, you know, I'm a Florida guy, Fred. You always say I'm not dedicated or whatever, I know, whatever you say about me. Bruh, I just recognize real when it's real. LSU got something rolling.

• 15:41Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T, you wanna come over?

• 15:42Fred Taylor?

  Nah, I ain't coming over there. I mean, I might go to a game, cause, man. You know what? Me and Lane, we used to hang out in the, um, in the sauna, back in Jacksonville.

• 15:51Channing Crowder?

  Where were y'all at?

• 15:52Fred Taylor?

  In the sauna. You know, have a, a couple of drinks or two or three or whatever.

• 15:56Ryan Clark?

  In the sauna?

• 15:57Fred Taylor?

  You know how you go in there and try to sweat it all out after a night of drinking?

• 16:00Ryan Clark?

  Oh, okay, got you.

• 16:01Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, we'd be in the sauna in Jacksonville.

• 16:02Ryan Clark?

  I thought you and Lane was drinking in the sauna.

• 16:04Fred Taylor?

  No, we weren't drinking in the sauna. We were drinking water in the sauna, trying to get, trying to flush the, you know, that stuff out. Way back in the day, way, way, way back in the day. But, no, I ain't coming over, RC, but I will tell you this. You said it's the new Colorado? I like to say you can kinda intertwine a little bit of a you in there too. Cause the players wanna, you got the celebs, the entertainers wanna go back. And Lane opened that door, but the players are pulling back up. You guys, you know, the, the younger class too, from those championship, uh, uh, teams that you had a couple of years ago. And that atmosphere, man, it's Louisiana or New Orleans, Baton Rouge, you guys have always been right there. But Lane came in and just pushed it over. You know what I'm saying?

• 16:48Fred Taylor?

  To go with the athletic department, hey, that's what, that, that helps the recruiting. That's what it's all about. If y'all continue that up, who as a young player or as a young kid would wanna deny that? They wanna be a part of that. So they got the marketing down pat.

• 17:03Channing Crowder?

  It's a, it's a special demo, demographic, geography. It's a special place that can happen. You bring up Miami, Louisiana, that's two different, special cities. We can't do that in Gainesville.

• 17:14Fred Taylor?

  No, you can't.

• 17:15Channing Crowder?

  You can't do that in Ann Arbor.

• 17:17Ryan Clark?

  Tuscaloosa.

• 17:18Channing Crowder?

  What? Lil Wayne to get off the plane and get back on the plane in Tuscaloosa. It's a special place and that special coach has to bring it. That Jimmy Johnson then back in the day. And then, you know, Coker then ran it through and then Lane at LSU, man. It's, it's, it's a, a hurricane of different situations that have come together to create that. But if they can do what UN did in that run.

• 17:40Fred Taylor?

  Right. That's the, that's a special part of college football too. Because in Indiana, you can't do that, but they'll tell you, we can go win championships.

• 17:49Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 17:49Fred Taylor?

  Like, it ain't always about party, party, party or that stuff. But I think that, that's part of college football, man. That's the fun part. That's the part that you can have and then, you know, go and celebrate it.

• 18:00Ryan Clark?

  Lane has figured out the one thing you need to figure out to be embraced at LSU. And excuse my language.

• 18:10Ryan Clark?

  Fuck anybody who ain't us.

• 18:14Ryan Clark?

  Period. He's decided that if these people like it, it doesn't matter if those people like it. You don't like that I'm trying to get NFL players on my team? Hey, y'all cool with it? Yeah, we cool with it. I'mma do it.

• 18:30Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 18:30Ryan Clark?

  Right? You don't like it that I got such and such player coming around? Y'all cool with it? Yeah, we cool with it. I'mma do it. The biggest thing we want is for you to embrace us and embrace our culture. And that's what Lane Kiffin has done. He's like, I'mma do whatever it takes to win football games here, which is religion in Louisiana. Secondly, if it's something that y'all don't vibe with, it's not happening. If it's a person y'all don't vibe with, they ain't coming. But if you love him and y'all embrace him, then I love him too. And that's the thing that Lane's brought to the school. That's what Jimmy Johnson and Miami had. If you played here, I don't care if you scored eight touchdowns in the game

• 19:15Ryan Clark?

  or you ain't scored none, you welcome back. Come to practice, come to the walk. Let's have reunions. Let's have you acknowledged in the middle of the field. And I think that's what you gotta have at our school because we don't care about nothing else. And so, right now, it's the new Colorado, but it's on steroids. Because we can get all demographics, first off. We embrace all demographics. Lane embraces all demographics. And he can coach his butt off. That's the big thing. This man was shooting jumpers during the point after attempt, man. We don't care about nothing around here. We went from a man, literally, who faked an accent

• 20:01Ryan Clark?

  and thought he was better than our school to a man that shoot jumpers during PATs and mad that we ain't scored more points. And we had 50.

• 20:10Fred Taylor?

  That's crazy.

• 20:11Channing Crowder?

  He want 70.

• 20:12Ryan Clark?

  He want 70. Now, are we gonna be number one? Or can we not beat Texas at Ohio State? Because right now, Texas is number one. They saying Ryan Day didn't do what he needed to do to finish the job, Freddie T. You up big. You give up, what? They gave up 23 unanswered, 21 unanswered? 21 unanswered? Is this more about what Ohio State did? Or what Sark at Texas was able to do?

• 20:38Fred Taylor?

  I think you throw in a little bit of how those boys that coached down there, man. Because Ohio State is amazing. And they usually know how to close out games. So you gotta get Texas, their staff, more so the players, you know, for showing that resilience, being able to put, the coaches being able to put them in the right positions. To be able to mount that sort of comeback. And going back to the coaches, man. Sark, Sark, Sark, he ain't no pushover. He can coach his ass off too. So, and it goes back to a couple of years ago. Didn't they meet in the playoffs?

• 21:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 21:13Fred Taylor?

  Was it two years ago?

• 21:14Ryan Clark?

  Remember Caleb Downs made the play near the goal line and tossed.

• 21:16Fred Taylor?

  So, it goes back to that. So I'm pretty sure, you know, Sark didn't sleep well. I know he even questioned a lot back then about it. And it was ugly for a minute, but that comeback was amazing. And that's the excitement you expect out of college football.

• 21:30Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, the coach, you know, the coaches, they do have a lot to do with, especially the young men in college. Well, hell, there's 70 of them in college now, but... That damn Arch Manning did it.

• 21:40Ryan Clark?

  I agree.

• 21:40Fred Taylor?

  Arch did it.

• 21:41Channing Crowder?

  You know, I always bring up the Jimmies and Joes. Yeah, XO and this, you know, the not giving up, keeping the team going, keeping the excitement there. We watching the game together. And you were sitting there, you said, if Arch comes back from this, they about to talk about this man like his dad, his granddaddy and his two uncles. And that boy went out there and started...

• 22:00Ryan Clark?

  You said he wasn't.

• 22:00Channing Crowder?

  I was like...

• 22:01Ryan Clark?

  You said he wasn't, Chan.

• 22:03Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I've always said he could make every throw. But I watched him his freshman year. I watched him laugh. I'm like, he got an arm, but he was just nut up. He went to Florida, made some good throws and then threw two interceptions.

• 22:15Ryan Clark?

  Right, right, right.

• 22:16Channing Crowder?

  I see it, but I don't see it. He even said at postgame, he was like, I had a lot of learning to do. I had a lot of growing to do. And what I've seen so far this year? Arch done grew. There's some quarterbacks out there. Minta Miami, Arch San, Moore looked okay over at Oregon. But I think Arch is making a push. Somebody gonna give him a hell of a quarterback next year.

• 22:34Ryan Clark?

  Like, the crazy thing about Arch Manning was, I knew he needed time. And people felt like I was wrong because I said he needed time. I knew the level he played at in New Orleans. It was gonna take some time to get used to playing with better players, both on your team and against them. Right? And I, but you could see he had talent. The dude had two balls in the first half. One was incomplete. And one was the interception. And it couldn't have been thrown no better. So you sitting at a point at the house, or you watching the game where we were, Chan, and you saying to yourself, if they start catching these footballs and making some plays, this game is different.

• 23:16Ryan Clark?

  But you saw his maturation, bro, throughout the season last year. You saw him starting to grow. You saw him starting to get confidence. The dude is athletic. He could move. And I really feel like the fact that they got behind helped him. Because now it's like, what's gonna happen to me? What's the worst that could happen? We could still lose? Or I could go out and become a legend at Texas? And that's what I love about it. He ain't go to Ole Miss like Eli. He ain't go to Tennessee like Peyton. He went his own route. And also too, man, kudos to Sark. Like, the way that dude kept fighting, the way he was looking when Jeremiah Smith caught that ball and he was in the background, he was like, shee, I thought we had one of those, but we ain't got one of those.

• 24:01Ryan Clark?

  And to find a way to win? Ain't that the beauty of college ball? But I agree with you. If you look at it right now, it's Arch Manning and Minta, in my opinion, that sit at the top of the draft. That'll be one, two. Arch got a Coleman. He ain't no Malachi Tony.

• 24:18Channing Crowder?

  Ooh, Jack.

• 24:19Ryan Clark?

  Macaroni Tony out there cooking. Folks, they dead roam scoring 77 on FAMU though, Chan.

• 24:26Channing Crowder?

  I watched the game. What they gonna do, RC Neil? Bro, they couldn't tackle him. Fletcher was 60 and got hit by three people in the thigh. He just kept running a straight line, bro. I swear, it was not bad. I watched that game. They could not have not scored 70. Or they had to kneel the ball down the whole fourth. You know, they shut the game low. They took five minutes off the fourth quarter.

• 24:51Channing Crowder?

  The FAMU head coach looked over at Mario Cristobal and they nodded. And they said on the bottom of the screen, the fourth quarter will be played for 10 minutes.

• 25:00Ryan Clark?

  No, they didn't.

• 25:01Channing Crowder?

  Swear to God.

• 25:02Fred Taylor?

  I didn't catch that memo.

• 25:03Channing Crowder?

  Swear to God, I was watching the game. They agreed the fourth quarter would be shorter because they would have scored 90, RC. I swear, it was 50, 50-0 at halftime. They could have switched to triple digits.

• 25:15Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, nah, I don't know if that happened.

• 25:17Ryan Clark?

  They were Wilt Chamberlain.

• 25:20Channing Crowder?

  They would have held up 100. It would, this is what happened. It's half and half nots. And then it's people that should not be on the field with them. I know FAMU got a million dollars to play. But that's embarrassing, man.

• 25:31Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, nah, that's crazy. And I felt bad for my old teammate too. Cube, who's quarterback down in Jacksonville. Quinn can coach. That was terrible. I actually went to the St. Thomas Aquinas and Dillard game instead. Or the FAMU U M game. And that was really good. St. Thomas Aquinas did Dillard the same way.

• 25:50Channing Crowder?

  I know it was better than that game.

• 25:52Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, it was better than that game. But they had 48 at halftime too. You know what? It was just a mismatch, man. You look at, you talk, you led with Malachi Tony, player who just, two years removed. He's like, he just turned 18. He's as young as the kids, all the other kids that are at FAM.

• 26:07Channing Crowder?

  Monster.

• 26:08Fred Taylor?

  But he's different. Michael Irvin say he's the best receiver that he's ever seen. That's a big statement, right? But the kid can do it all. You put him down there with Minta. And that dynamic, that duo, along with Cristobal and everything else that they're doing in Miami, the U is back. Last year was kind of like, is the U back? But I really think the U is back.

• 26:32Ryan Clark?

  Marshall Faulk, they just played Houston. Obviously a Hall of Famer. And after the game, he says, we don't have the means to compete. And it just brings me back to something you said a long time ago. And I... Your tone is your tone. And because your tone is your tone, people believe you're being disrespectful. When you're just stating a fact and a truth. I say all the time, my uncle used to write me to go, that he wanted me to go to Southern all the time. My closest cousin played for Alcorn State and growing up, I wanted to play there. But then when you start getting those letters and you start going on these campuses, you realize, wait, this is so different.

• 27:14Ryan Clark?

  If I get hurt here, the treatment I will receive at LSU as opposed to a Southern is different. That doesn't make it fair, but life ain't fair. And if I am of a certain ilk athletically, then I'm gonna want the best. Right? That's like, that's like feeling like, like you say, you a 10. If I'm a 10, I'm, I'm, if I accept four treatment, I'm wrong. You know, and so people make fun or say that these HBCUs shouldn't accept these big checks to go play these big schools. But that's how they fund the program.

• 27:57Ryan Clark?

  That's how they actually fund other sports, Title IX sports and different things. So they gotta do it. But then there has to be the conversation too as well, like from a football standpoint, what are you gaining in doing that?

• 28:13Channing Crowder?

  The money.

• 28:14Ryan Clark?

  That's it.

• 28:15Channing Crowder?

  Fam, you goes get a million, whatever it was, 750,000, a million. They could run their entire athletic program off of that. There is 20 players on U M's team making over a million dollars a year. So, you know, like something like that, like I know Mrs. Four or something, I know Malachi is up there. Like I could pay your entire athletic program with a quarter of what my wide receiver makes a year. It's the half and the half nots and you'll see it, even to the money side of it, past NIL. I have been, I was getting recruited by Southern Methodist and different lower schools, the FAUs, the FIUs, you know, being in South Florida. I go there and talk to the kids. Florida just put a billion dollars into their program. What was that about six, seven years ago? They're about to put another billion dollars into their program.

• 28:58Channing Crowder?

  You walk in Florida's locker room and you walk in any HBCU's locker room, it looks different. And it's not like I'm, oh, I'm gonna grab my pearls because I can't be in a small weight room. You're gonna get better athletic trainers, you're gonna get better coaching staff, you're gonna get better everything at those bigger schools. Because the better people go for more money. You're not getting a Sark, you're not getting a, a, a Nick Saban, you're not getting Elaine Kiffin, you're not getting them at those smaller schools. If I want, and my point was like you said, I say things in a, in a funny but demeaning kind of way because I joke. If I want to maximize my child's ability to make it to the next level, I've already put so much into him from the age of six in this sport, whatever sport it is. And now he has an opportunity to go to this route or this route.

• 29:39Channing Crowder?

  I'm choosing the route that's gonna better his career as a parent, trying to maximize my child. Not disrespecting historically back colleges, disrespecting the structure of what they're under right now in this. Where I have a kid that makes more money than your entire school makes on the athletic side in three months.

• 29:56Ryan Clark?

  But it's also too though, why I really appreciate it when we had an opportunity to sit with the MEAC coaches. And their perspective on it. That they understood that if they did their job correctly, if I correctly scouted and evaluated this young man. If I correctly coached, tutor and lead him. There's a large possibility if he reaches his potential, he'll leave to go to greener pastures in some way. But I also feel like that's what I should be trying to do. Right? I think it was Nevada's coach that said, if I do right, you should come here, develop for two years and then get four million dollars from Oregon.

• 30:37Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 30:37Ryan Clark?

  That's how you gotta look at it. Like I understand, I gotta try to win while you're here, develop the people that are behind you and be recruiting people as well. And I do believe HBCUs have to try to do that the best they can. Go recruit, go develop, understand they'll leave if they can, but have someone as far as a program standpoint that can step in.

• 30:57Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I love coaches with, with that mindset as the Nevada coach. But even the HBCU coaches, they know what they're up against. They know what they're up against when they accept that job. You think D. Jack, Deshawn Jackson have made all of this money? Do you think he needed to go coach at a HBCU, at a MEAC program? What is it about? It's about getting there, helping develop these young men. Do you think Deon needed to go coach there, even Mike Vick, all these guys that are Ted White, these guys that are taking these jobs and these opportunities? They know what they're up against. Quinn knew he was going down in Miami in the hellhole and possibly gonna get his head blown off, like what happened, right? But it's about the challenge. You ask what are these football programs are getting? You say money.

• 31:41Fred Taylor?

  Let's take it from the outside looking in, us as players, put us in the shoes in those HBCU locker rooms, the guys that we were coming up. When somebody says Miami's on the schedule, you're not getting excited regardless of where you are. Are you gonna get excited about the experience?

• 31:57Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 31:57Channing Crowder?

  No.

• 31:58Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 31:58Fred Taylor?

  I am fucking getting excited. Because this is about the challenge for me.

• 32:02Ryan Clark?

  I will say this, I will say this.

• 32:04Fred Taylor?

  It's football.

• 32:05Ryan Clark?

  The, the individual part of me, that there's gonna be the fight between the actual awareness and the self-belief. Right? Because I can have a lot of self-belief, but also my self-awareness says if I was supposed to be there, I probably would. But this, this is my chance though, but this is my chance to show the world I may belong somewhere else. But it's so hard, man, because you don't want to be one of those people that make folks around you feel like where your feet at ain't good enough for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, like that's the, that's the one thing that I always appreciate about hard workers. Or about seeing people who start at a low level job and end up running a company or having their own thing or being a CEO.

• 32:50Ryan Clark?

  I'd be like, damn, when you had that low level job, you worked just as hard as you work now at the top. You know what I'm saying? When you had that low level job, you treated people just as well and you spoke, but you were just as proud of whether it was delivering papers, dropping things off, running errands. As you are making decisions. Like that's what I feel like sometimes, some of these kids who feel like they don't belong in these places. That's the attitude they approach the organization with or the university or the program with. Instead of being like, nah, while I'm here, I'm gonna be the best I could possibly be to make y'all the best I could possibly be. So I can go a place that's better for me and that gotta be okay.

• 33:32Fred Taylor?

  Yeah. And that's really, that's the experience piece of it that I was also including in that, right? But also, I mean, we're competitive. You wanna, you know, you might win nine times, 10 times out of 10, you're probably, you're gonna win, right? But it's about the experience, the, the, the competition. And I know in this environment of college football where it is now, I'm putting something on tape. It might come back around where I get an opportunity, you know, coach, oh, that player can play. I didn't get recruited out of high school to this place, but he might get a chance where I can get him for 350K. And then he build up to that, to that big piece next. Who, who knows? But that's my take on it.

• 34:15Channing Crowder?

  But to answer your question, I had to go back to high school. Because you're right, I was in North Springs, a performance after mass high school, magnet school. We were terrible. We went four and six and had a, we got on the back of drop top Kias and rode around the parking lot. Four and six was the best record we had in years.

• 34:29Ryan Clark?

  Y'all was in a parade?

• 34:30Channing Crowder?

  We did a parade at the school for four and six.

• 34:32Ryan Clark?

  What's a drop top Kia?

• 34:34Channing Crowder?

  I don't know.

• 34:35Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 34:37Channing Crowder?

  It wasn't no Corvette or Mercedes or nothing. It was, it was some little BS cars from somebody's daddy's dealership up the street. But when we played, y'all have heard the story, I played Sean McVay in high school. He was the quarterback of a powerhouse. They wore ass out. I had 18, one receiving, one rushing, you know? Nobody else on the team had any, got any love, but that's those guys that go out there and ball. There's somebody on fam, you that impressed somebody that day. He might be able to go have that, that stepping stone you're speaking of. So to your, go out there and ball out. Put, put, put something on film, it might sound selfish, put something on film that somebody else can see you do.

• 35:13Ryan Clark?

  Honestly, like when you're at these small schools, it's preseason. I'm playing for the other, what's a hundred schools in college, but I'm playing for the other 31 too. And honestly, if you ain't at the top fives, you really doing that? If you ain't at the top fives and playing, everybody's trying to get to another place.

• 35:30Fred Taylor?

  Right. Now, I was, I was trying to see, you be working out like you trying to get there. And then he working out with Jay Sean.

• 35:36Ryan Clark?

  First off.

• 35:37Fred Taylor?

  Every time he in Vegas, he work out with Jay Sean. But listen, he doing high rocks.

• 35:43Channing Crowder?

  What was that?

• 35:44Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, can't do it no more, Freddie T. I saw something.

• 35:46Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 35:46Ryan Clark?

  It's a high rock.

• 35:47Fred Taylor?

  I don't, don't, we wouldn't, I don't want to see you out there like that.

• 35:50Ryan Clark?

  Did you see the lady from Australia? She one of the best in the world. Like I think she got like one of the fastest times ever. She pooped herself, man, it kept going. It were runny and it was on the back of her legs. And so like every, I guess.

• 36:02Channing Crowder?

  Running from.

• 36:03Ryan Clark?

  She wasn't running from anyway. She was doing high rocks. You know, you do, like you push the sled. You like, you push the sled, run a thousand meters. You do the row, run a thousand meters. You do the burpees and jump, run a thousand meters. And I don't know if it was, you know, irritable bowel syndrome. I don't know if she ain't got no gallbladder like me, but it was loose on her.

• 36:22Fred Taylor?

  She needed Clorox.

• 36:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Chan.

• 36:24Channing Crowder?

  Nobody was chasing them. She get paid.

• 36:26Ryan Clark?

  No, she kept going because she wanted to finish. Like she ain't been training for that.

• 36:29Channing Crowder?

  She doodle herself just to doodle on herself?

• 36:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, people do that like marathons and stuff.

• 36:34Channing Crowder?

  But no, but, but no, even.

• 36:35Ryan Clark?

  It's only one, it's only one competition, Chan. Like she can't go back and compete tomorrow. You pee on yourself.

• 36:41Channing Crowder?

  Get a sled, get some rope.

• 36:43Ryan Clark?

  You pee on yourself.

• 36:44Channing Crowder?

  Tomorrow. Yeah, pee and boo boo different. I'm boo boo on myself.

• 36:48Fred Taylor?

  Control it. When you pee on yourself, you can't control it.

• 36:50Channing Crowder?

  Go sit down, have you a banana?

• 36:52Fred Taylor?

  She was in the middle of the event. High Rocks is a major, a big time, like for training for fitness people. They just sold for 700 million and Jay Sean have RC out there.

• 37:01Ryan Clark?

  Bro, Jay Sean, Jay Sean, bro, Jay Sean and my homegirl KB, every time they see me work out, they hit me talking about go do a high rock. And I keep telling them no. And I told them too, I think my sickle cell will act up if I do high rocks. But after this lady doo-dooed on herself, I don't know if I'm more scared of doo-dooing on myself. Or running behind the person that doo-dooed on theyself. Right? Because when they, what if they wiped their back right here, because it was loose, right? What if they wiped their back? Now they do the burpee and now I'm in your doo-doo hand.

• 37:37Channing Crowder?

  Burpee back.

• 37:37Ryan Clark?

  I'm in your doo-doo hand. You know what I mean? And I don't know, like when we do the, when we do the ball squat thing, do we use the same ball? Are we pulling the same rope? Like it's doo-doo, every, it's fecal, it's fecal matter everywhere. And so. I know they want me to do the high rocks and I was thinking about it. And then I saw that and now it just feels like a marathon to me because I saw people poop themselves and catch full body cramps and that. So now I'm backing off of my high rocks expectations and I'm gonna do something else.

• 38:06Channing Crowder?

  When I changed my kids, I would. When they get that green boo boo, the babies got the green, that green slime boo boo.

• 38:14Ryan Clark?

  That's your children.

• 38:15Channing Crowder?

  That's still poop. That's green runny shit. That thing made my stomach hurt.

• 38:20Ryan Clark?

  You know what the ones, I'll be honest, the ones I like was as they got older was they eating adult food. Like when they, I was like, nah, you gotta go to the toilet.

• 38:29Channing Crowder?

  Oh, yeah. When it go mad poop. I went with ten, that's half your body weight. Get your nasty ass in the bathroom.

• 38:34Fred Taylor?

  I done pivoted into the wrong though. Talking about high rocks and poopy and.

• 38:40Ryan Clark?

  Bro, I don't know how to even transition from this. This is great, this is why it's good to have your own show. The American females, the women, basketball had a, I think it was a great comeback. I wanted to say it was France maybe, a great comeback. And afterwards, somebody being petty, go ask Katelyn Clark, are you an Angel friends now? And Katelyn was like, hey, man, don't do that. I really respected it. I really respected it. Why do you think society so much wants to utilize like these athletes and these people to be the voices for their hate and their division?

• 39:21Channing Crowder?

  Because we love it. I say we as a human race. We love it. Why we love, why, why, why Batman need, need the Penguin and everybody needs a villain? They gotta pick sides. Our politics based around sides. You gotta pick a team. You need somebody to hate, the division around. I don't like the Patriots because I play for the Dolphins. Why, I don't know why I don't like the Patriots. It was just built into me. I live in Miami. Like, everybody needs that. The genius thing that I love about Katelyn and Angel Reese is that they know it and they embrace it. And they're both getting paid off of it. They're monetizing, Jordan versus Bird, Jordan versus everybody.

• 39:56Ryan Clark?

  Magic Bird, Jordan, everybody.

• 39:58Channing Crowder?

  Jordan, everybody, Magic Bird. Like with men, we, I think we spoke about it before, with men, it's fine to have those rivalries. Patrick Mahomes gonna steal Josh Allen's Super Bowl. We love it. Now these girls got a little beef and then there's these little angels. No, they are athletes and they go at it. And I go deeper. Why do they like it? Because they relate with them. Katelyn Clark's a little bitty white girl, the little girl that in the suburbs, live next to you. Oh, she, you know, little Katie, she plays basketball. You look at Angel Reese, I don't know where Angel grew up, but you assume it was on the tougher side of town.

• 40:30Ryan Clark?

  Angel's from Baltimore.

• 40:31Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. Tougher side of town. Angel probably done been in some fights in her life. Angel be cussing people out, be slamming girls on the ground. Katelyn's not getting in no fights. It's what they relate to in their life. I am more like Angel Reese. I have white friends that are more like Katelyn Clark and they embrace that. So they find themselves in it and they find the side that they want to be on to, to really answer your question. And now they gotta pick a side and sit over there.

• 40:58Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I mean, I guess you talk about society historically. I mean, that's just where we've always been, right? Very stereotypical, very divisive. And they want to take this opportunity to divide or try and continue or further divide these women. They've been trying to put a wedge between Katelyn and Angel for, for years. And I think the beauty of it all, one is it does create a conversation, especially where we are as a, as a country. And where we've been from 2016 to 2020, fast forward 2024 to now. It's just more of that type of conversation than probably any time that, that I've been around.

• 41:40Fred Taylor?

  And then when you add it to sport, it's easy conversation for media, right? We're gonna pick Katelyn, we're gonna pick Angel and this is what we're gonna talk about. Just like it's easy to talk about a LeBron or whatever in the NBA. WNBA, I think, has benefited from it because it did put conversation around them. It did put eyes on them. So all things ain't bad things, but what I love most about it is that Katelyn and Angel are both smart enough to know that we can fucking almost about to fight each other on the court. Not to say they have, but they go at it on the court. But off the court, they're as friendly as can be and people don't see that part.

• 42:21Fred Taylor?

  So they have to remind people that we go to work and we play against each other and we compete against each other. And we gonna give us, give each other this on the court, but away from that, we can hang out.

• 42:31Ryan Clark?

  I'm just gonna be honest and I know people probably don't want to hear this. Katelyn actually been pretty solid, bro.

• 42:38Fred Taylor?

  She has.

• 42:38Ryan Clark?

  Like Katelyn Clark don't do no foolishness. Now, you can critique a hooper all you want. I know she one of the best female hoopers in the world. I know that. You could nitpick her game if you want to nitpick it. She a MVP candidate on a team with another MVP candidate, right? But from the standpoint of some of this bull crap that they be trying to push her in, that woman don't never say none of that stuff. She don't never get involved in it. She not trying to like placate to her fan base, none of that stuff. Like she want to go hoop. And I even like the attitude she addressed the question with. Like, don't do that. You're coming here to ask a divisive question. And I get it, she probably could have just said, nah, Angel and I have been friends.

• 43:22Ryan Clark?

  But I like the fact that she felt insulted that you're trying to put me in a place to get a headline, to get a, to get a click. We supposed to battle. Like, we supposed to have beef every time we step on the court. And you did mention Magic and Bird. And yes, it was very similar, right? You got this dude from like the one part of Michigan. You got this other dude where from like Salt Lick somewhere. Yeah, or something like that. And so they had those fan bases, but the world, the world didn't need you to hate other people. The world didn't need all the Bird fans to hate all the Magic fans and hate Magic. You know what I'm saying? Like if you was a Celtics fan, yeah, you not effing with him because y'all historically don't.

• 44:06Ryan Clark?

  But I didn't feel like they needed, they needed to use those athletes to be their voices for their division. And I feel like that's what sometimes we are doing to WNBA players and that's unfair. Like if they just want to hoop, let them hoop. If they want to be friends, let them be friends. And so to me, that's where, you know, we have to get, it's been a week now that we've been on Netflix. Wow, I didn't think about it. I sat there for the show, for the show. I sat right there in this, in this very place. And at the time, we didn't know where we were going to be.

• 44:50Ryan Clark?

  We didn't know what we were going to do. And the reception has been cool. And then people kind of started, oh, wait, no, we can't watch it as much. And so we're saying, man, we want all of you guys to subscribe to Netflix, man, to continue to support us because we do make this show for y'all. Like we truly, truly could not be who we are, where we are without y'all. I do want to ask, did you expect for the boardroom post or for our post that we were now with Netflix to be celebrated in the sense of our success?

• 45:30Ryan Clark?

  Not necessarily what it meant to people who wanted to watch, but for people to be like, damn, man, we really, really rock with y'all. We are really proud of y'all.

• 45:40Fred Taylor?

  I, I kind of, I think so. You're like, I, I think so. And the reason I say that is, you know, initially I was like, oh, wow, this is, this is pretty dope. But when I took some time to step back there to actually think about it and see why they were showing that much love, I said, oh, they, one, they rock with us. Like they been rocking with us for a while and we love that and very much appreciative for it. And then I compared it to when we got the Fanatics situation. Netflix, not to say Fanatics is a small company, but Netflix is known what it's known for, right? Media. Fanatics is more sports and that sort of deal. So when I put it together, I'm like, damn, Netflix is certainly global, right?

• 46:25Fred Taylor?

  And when you get that stamp of approval, people are saying, damn, these dudes are on Netflix. You go from YouTube to Netflix, it's not a big deal. We're, we're lined up with movie stars, some of the best shows that, you know, we've probably ever watched. And I kind of look at it after taking a step back, talking to family, friends, people calling and say, thank you, reading some of the comments. It's like, can I, can I borrow a dollar? It remind me of when the guys go pro.

• 46:55Ryan Clark?

  You get to that league?

• 46:56Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, guys get to the league, right? And, and they think everybody got that check. Look, some of the dudes on the team ain't got the, the Saquon or the quarterback money. These dudes practice squad.

• 47:07Ryan Clark?

  Shoot, my name, my last name still Clark, it ain't Netflix.

• 47:09Channing Crowder?

  I'm telling you. And I don't have no damn subscriptions for anybody.

• 47:14Ryan Clark?

  Everybody want that.

• 47:15Channing Crowder?

  What's the password, bro? What's the password? You think Netflix is giving me a list of passwords to give my friends? Are you kidding me? Don't support a brother.

• 47:26Ryan Clark?

  The reason they signed the show is so my friends subscribe to Netflix.

• 47:31Fred Taylor?

  I will say this, and I don't know, I don't know, but a friend of mine said, look, I, I, he didn't have Netflix. He supported the show for support as a, as a Jags fan. He said, I, I said, I signed up for Netflix and I used the code pivot when I entered. So I don't know if that's a thing, but that's what I was told.

• 47:49Ryan Clark?

  I don't know, we had to, we had to ask.

• 47:51Fred Taylor?

  That's what he said to you.

• 47:52Ryan Clark?

  Least no more. I will say this, man. I think there was an understanding that there was an entity or organization that at least said one of us wasn't good enough. And the people who support us been saying, nah, y'all good enough to be whatever y'all want,

• 48:11Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 48:11Ryan Clark?

  wherever y'all want. And like when you really got love for something or someone, you take yourself out of it. Right? I think when, at least when the initial news hits, it's like, see, I told y'all. You know what I'm saying? I told y'all that y'all was worthy. I told y'all that y'all deserved it. I told y'all that the work y'all put in says that that level of work, that level of sacrifice, that level of dedication should be rewarded. And I felt like that's what people praised. You know, like that was the piece of it like, man, I want, I want to see something good for y'all. You know? And so I think, and to me, that was cool. I think, you know, what would make me sad

• 48:54Ryan Clark?

  was if I was with somebody who, part of their being in whatever relationship they are with me would be that, as they said in the Big Bang Theory, I think the word was Cortez, that we would indulge in some of that from time to time. And that they said in front of people publicly, I don't ever need to do it. I'm not attracted to him in that way either. You ain't see that?

• 49:21Channing Crowder?

  I didn't see what she said.

• 49:22Ryan Clark?

  Lady in front of her husband was like, I don't ever need to do it. Like, I'm just grateful that he love me, even though I don't ever want to give him none.

• 49:28Channing Crowder?

  She don't, she don't never want to get, to have no booty. She never wants to have the, I don't say, because I, it, you know, nowadays, I think it's real shallow. The life is getting shallow and materialistic and all that stuff. But marriage is not just like, it's beautiful. We have, all have beautiful wives. Now, my wife's a fucking smoke show. That's how the white boy say it. I figured that out.

• 49:53Ryan Clark?

  First off, I'm gonna say this. White people went to work with smoke show. Like, when I say they was in they bag when they came up with smoke show, whatever dude was walking down the street in Tennessee was like, hey, she's an F for smoke show.

• 50:07Channing Crowder?

  Oh, my mentoring radio was named Joe Rose, played for the Dolphins, caught Dan Marino's first touchdown pass in Miami. He thought it was cool. I had to pull him to the side. God damn, Channing. Look at Asia, she's a fucking smoke show, bro. I said, Joe, you can't say that about a black man's wife. That shit, I'll keep that shit to y'all self. Say that shit about my wife.

• 50:26Ryan Clark?

  White people cook with that one.

• 50:27Channing Crowder?

  Oh, my bad, bro, my bad, bro. So, my wife's beautiful and I'm very sexually attracted to her. Probably why we have three kids. And I have vasectomy and I'm trying to make babies every day, even though it physically can't happen. But I think at some point in our life, neither one is gonna have to do with no fucking no more.

• 50:44Ryan Clark?

  So long as you just love somebody, it's cool?

• 50:45Channing Crowder?

  You gotta love them. What about if somebody had a tough upbringing and somebody supports them? Or somebody had a too aggressive, big alpha male and they want a softer dude? Even then, it's like, it's, it's, marriage is completion of you, to be honest.

• 50:57Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 50:58Channing Crowder?

  They're supposed to bring you something that you don't have already. So, I'm not saying it has nothing to do with physical touch, because y'all know I'm very nasty. But if that makes them happy, let them be happy. They wouldn't care if they didn't want to do no fucking little nothing.

• 51:10Ryan Clark?

  The man didn't look happy when he was listening to me, Fred.

• 51:12Fred Taylor?

  Well, I don't know if y'all saw Gilly last rant. He was like, women, men, men actually need it because if they don't get it here, they gonna find somewhere else to get it from and whatever that is, what it is. But I'm like you. It's their relationship. We don't know where they are in their relationship. Obviously, women hormonal, they go through changes and all this other different things happening. You know, they might not feel as sexy or they just, people could be dealing with stuff in their relationship. So, I ain't gonna call it out for what it is because I think if, you know, me and my baby, if we're having sex, I want to, want you to have, want to have sex with me. You know what I'm saying?

• 51:51Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 51:51Fred Taylor?

  All the time. I don't want it to be a transaction. You know, I want us to be like, I want you now, I want you now. Let's make it happen. Not just because I got a need, because I might be a little standoffish. I ain't just trying to, I'm gonna say this. I ain't just trying to bust no nut just to bust no nut. I could do that myself. Can I say that on TV?

• 52:12Channing Crowder?

  Like, where on TV, Fred?

• 52:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'm gonna say this. Here, here's what I'm gonna say. I think, I think, I think the, the, the truth is, right? You have to respect whatever someone wants to do with their own bodies.

• 52:27Fred Taylor?

  Amen.

• 52:27Ryan Clark?

  I was listening to a sermon not too long ago, though, and the pastor said, I ain't gonna lie. I love to pray with my wife and I think that's important, but there's some other things that's important too. And if when we met, the conversation was had, that this is important to both of us, and at some point during this process that changes for you, then that's on you. If when we met, you told me, that's not really something I enjoy doing. I don't necessarily need that in my life. And I still chose you and chose to love you, then I gotta respect that. I'm gonna say I probably would choose that way myself. Hey, but to each his own. You know, there's streaming networks for everybody.

• 53:10Channing Crowder?

  And don't, don't act, because everybody would, because everybody look at this and say, oh, that's because the men nasty. And you know, the ladies, no, ladies be nasty too. They always act like we just chasing around like little boys. No, they want some dick too. Don't act like it, no. It's equal on both sides. There's men that don't care about hitting none.

• 53:27Ryan Clark?

  Yes, real talk.

• 53:28Channing Crowder?

  And there's women that don't care about getting hit. But there are just as many women that want some sex as men that want sex. I hate when they try to make us feel like perverts. I'm not a pervert because I want some of that wet thing.

• 53:39Ryan Clark?

  Okay. And guys, thank you so much. We now have two shows. We are very grateful. We're grateful that you guys continue to rock with us. And I'm not sure what that last part's gonna make the show, but if it does, the thoughts of some of our hosts are not the thoughts of all of us. Thank you. God bless.

• 53:59Fred Taylor?

  We got two shows. One for the phone and one for at home.