Colin Kaepernick beyond the headlines. Beyond the jersey. Beyond the kneeling, Colin shares his story behind the man who created a movement not just in football but in the world.

Colin Kaepernick joins Ryan, Channing and Fred for one of his most personal and revealing conversations yet. A decade after he took a knee and changed the conversation around athletes, race, protest and power, Colin is telling the story behind the story in his new memoir, The Perilous Fight. From growing up as a Black child adopted into a white family, to the experiences and misconceptions that shaped him long before he ever stepped onto an NFL field… from becoming a star quarterback with the San Francisco 49ers and reaching the Super Bowl, to the decision to protest during the national anthem and everything that followed. Colin opens up about what people have gotten wrong about his journey, what actually led him to kneel, the fallout with the NFL, the years of questions surrounding his career, and the moments behind the headlines that he says have never fully been told. He also gets candid about his relationship with Jay-Z, their conversations surrounding the NFL and Roc Nation, and why that relationship became complicated. And then there’s the part of Colin’s story that exists beyond football and activism: fatherhood, family, identity, purpose and the man he has become today. A conversation about childhood, race, football, sacrifice, power, relationships, fatherhood, misconceptions, and what it means to stand on what you believe—even when the world decides to define you for itself. Full video playing now on Netflix. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Ryan Clark?

  It feels like we've learned more about Colin Kaepernick over the last two weeks than we ever have before. The normally quiet former quarterback has had plenty to say as he releases his memoir, The Perilous Fight. We knew why he took a knee, but we knew far less about the man who made the decision to do so. The childhood that shaped him, the fraternity that molded him, and the woman who helped educate him. It all led to a moment that will become etched in history. It started with a rose tree, an incident that he couldn't even share with his family. Then came a formative fandom of Allen Iverson and Randy Moss. And finally, the biography of Malcolm X. We talk young Colin. We tell Super Bowl stories. We relive why he took the knee

• 1:13Ryan Clark?

  and how he felt that message got hijacked. And maybe, most importantly, we talk about the man he is today, the husband and the father. This was a conversation long overdue, and we're excited to finally have it. So please welcome Colin Kaepernick to The Pivot as he releases his memoir, The Perilous Fight.

• 1:54Ryan Clark?

  Man, this is probably one of our most important shows to date. Colin Kaepernick, man, welcome to The Pivot. It is truly an honor for me. This is Channing Crowder, Fred Taylor, Pivot fam. Thank y'all for pivoting with us. I got an interesting tidbit for you. First off, what number were you online?

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Oh, 6 Club.

• 2:15Ryan Clark?

  6 Club? All right? So I know that your line name is Kryptonite, right? Mine is Clark Kent. So the entire time I was online, they would always be like Superman, because you know they get mad if you actually know the knowledge. You know what I'm saying? Because they trying to get after you.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:34Ryan Clark?

  And so they be making fun of me, Superman. Oh, you want to know everything? And so then when I finally crossed the Bernice Sands, I was Clark Kent. So I thought it was cool to read.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 2:43Ryan Clark?

  That your line name was Kryptonite.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I actually got Kryptonite for the same reason. Because I always knew the knowledge, and it was like, you're never gonna break. So it was like, I was Kryptonite to them because they could never get what they wanted out of me.

• 2:58Ryan Clark?

  Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Look at him. Look, he always get.

• 3:04Channing Crowder?

  Don't tell me you doing that, Cal.

• 3:05Speaker 02

  There's still time. There's still time.

• 3:09Ryan Clark?

  But man, Colin Kaepernick, man, The Perilous Fight, man, you finally get an opportunity to release your memoir. So many people are interested in not only the story of the last 10 years, but what made the man that was willing to take a stand. I mean, and you start here, just even, you know, at the beginning of the book, and I thought the story was just so interesting just to be, you know, growing up and walking down the street and have the incident you had with the rose tree, right? And so now you are experiencing something that you might not necessarily know how to quantify at that time. Tell me a little bit about your experience with that and what you took from it.

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, you know, give me some of the context around it. You know, at the time, I was about eight years old. And, you know, it's summertime. You're out in the street, you're playing. You're constantly looking for what's next. And doing that in a predominantly white community, like, that's what surrounds you. And I'm walking home. As the, as the streetlights are starting to come on, the sun's setting, and it's like, all right, I gotta, I gotta start making moves. And I see a few of the kids at the house on the way home. And there were kids I was just playing with. But they were a little bit older. I didn't, I didn't know them like deeply, but they're part of neighborhood kids.

• 4:37Speaker 02

  So like, know them, see them around, play with them. I'm like, are y'all still playing? Like, we got another game going on. I'm looking for the next competition.

• 4:46Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  And there was a moment that was, like, oh, this, this vibe shifted. And they run up on me, they grab me, tie me to a rose tree. And I, in that moment, like, I didn't really know how to put that in perspective. Especially growing up in a white family, being adopted into a white family. Like, that wasn't a conversation that's happened in the household of like, hey, you need to make sure you look out, protect yourself. And that was the first, that was the first moment that was,

• 5:34Speaker 02

  like, how, how's this change how I move forward? How's this changed my understanding of where I fit within society? And then also the realization of, as I'm running home, after being able to get out, and I only got out because one of the neighbors drove by in the car and was like, hey, what are y'all doing? Didn't pull over, stop or anything. Just like, hey, what are y'all doing? All right, let me keep moving. And, you know, in sprinting home, the realization too of, can I, can I even tell my parents this? Like, will they believe me? Like, how would they think about it? And ultimately, didn't tell them, ran upstairs, got cleaned up.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  And I think it becomes an important moment because, one, it, it gave me experience and context that I didn't have previously. And you never want to go through a situation like that, but it's, it's informative. The other part is, it also made me realize I'm never gonna get got like that again. Like, you're not gonna catch me slipping. And then looking at it in retrospect is also just, thinking about in relation to, you know, the streetlights coming, coming on, sun, sun going down, and the history of sundown towns.

• 7:00Ryan Clark?

  Sundown towns, yep.

• 7:03Speaker 02

  Like, now having that historical perspective, thinking back to that moment, is how much worse that potentially could have been. But it, it does help inform perspective as far as how you move forward, how you think about community, how you think about safety and making sure you're navigating things appropriately. And a perspective around having to navigate something that you know others will never have to navigate.

• 7:30Channing Crowder?

  Like you saying, retrospect, you were, you're a biracial man. But I always joke about myself. I'm biracial too, black and white, just like you. If I rob a bank, they not saying the big white man took my money. They saying the big black man took my money. So you are a black man, being, being raised by a white family. My mom, my mom's white. As I look back, it was, it was kind of an identity thing. You know, and I, you know, trying to find that identity. Like, I think it was harder for, they look at us, and then our mom walks in, and it's kind of the, that kind of thing. Did you think, as you look back at your childhood, you think it kind of, you, it, it was hard to find your identity with those dynamics going on?

• 8:09Speaker 02

  What's interesting, I get asked this question a lot. And for me, the identity piece wasn't hard because it was so explicitly different. Like, there wasn't white mom, black dad. Like, biologically, there is. But in my house, it was, my entire family's white. So there was no hiding, like, oh, what side of family do I identify with? It's like, oh, no, you're the black kid. Whether you are consciously thinking about it or not, you know it within your family, you know it within the community you're in. And that becomes very apparent. The, the part that became more difficult is,

• 8:53Speaker 02

  where do you find community and culture that aligns with who you are? And that was something that, within the family, within Turlock, like, you're just not getting that. Like, I think Turlock at that point in time was, I think it was 1% to 3% black. So, our high school, our high school football team had three black people on it. Just the...

• 9:20Channing Crowder?

  Were y'all, were y'all good?

• 9:23Ryan Clark?

  In the neighborhood, Riley? In, in the area?

• 9:26Speaker 02

  In, in the area, we, one game away from a section title. But we were the team that was like, our offensive line, I think averaged somewhere between 180 and like, maybe 200 pounds. But we ran a wing T, so it was like, execution. Execution, execution.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  But it was, our running back was black. We had DB and receiver that was black, and me. And that was, that's what we had.

• 9:54Channing Crowder?

  All the touchdowns came from that. That's what all the scoring...

• 9:57Ryan Clark?

  Still positions, though. Still positions.

• 10:00Speaker 02

  And two of the three of us went on to play, play college. Running back went to Fresno. But it, I say, I'd say, just to paint the picture of like, you don't, for me, I didn't have a lot of mentors around me. I didn't have other, other black men around me that I could really look to in that way. I had a few that were, were coaches as I got a little bit older. But, having to navigate, understanding your culture and being different, within it is, like, you have to find spaces to make sure that you own that, maintain it. And that's a constant battle. Because there's a constant push to be like,

• 10:42Speaker 02

  "Well, yeah, you're black, but you should, you should act and operate the way we do." And it's like, "Yeah, but that's not who I am." Like, that's, that's not my reality.

• 10:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and the other piece of it is too, it's, you know, we deal with this so much as gender becomes a thing. It's like, you're telling me to operate as you do. I don't feel what you feel. Right? What, what seems natural and authentic to you, isn't to me. And so I could just only imagine, being young and not having someone else that is showing those signs of who they are that matches with you or resonates, that's difficult. Say, bruh, have y'all seen Clay Matthews? I'm talking new and improved. That's max face, biceps swole up, and them calf implants. See, y'all already know, I'd wear shorts if I had somebody else.

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• 12:40Fred Taylor?

  I want to stay here just for a moment. And I know we'll eventually get to, like, the meat of everything, but, it hurts me knowing that someone at the age of eight, you know, have to deal with something as traumatic as being tied to a rose tree and not having an outlet, or not feeling comfortable to be able to speak about it with your white parents. Just another excerpt from the book. You say, "You would have to deal with the aftermath by yourself. You didn't know it yet, but you was building a very specific scar tissue, scabs that will heal over time and turn into an armor. Being different, being uncomfortable with your difference, being comfortable with discomfort, those were traits that one day would serve me well."

• 13:23Fred Taylor?

  Kind of speak to why you didn't feel comfortable in that moment, discussing that, that thing that was so traumatic with, with your parents.

• 13:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. It, to kind of paint the, the picture of this, like,

• 13:42Speaker 02

  it was in, it was actually in recent years, I was talking to my mom, and she shared, shared a story when I was about three years old. In the front yard, running around with my sister, one of, one or a couple of her friends. We're, we're in Wisconsin.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  We're running around, chasing, chasing me in the front yard. And one of the friends goes, "Oh, get the little nigger."

• 14:11Speaker 02

  And it was like, "Oh, hey, stop it, we don't say that."

• 14:16Speaker 02

  And that was the end of it. But it, I say, I'd say, the environment was always like, well, we don't talk, we don't really need to talk about it, we don't need to address it. Like, we know you're black, but like, we don't need to go much deeper than that. Which creates an environment that's like, well,

• 14:36Speaker 02

  do I get to show up as my full self all the time? And do you understand that?

• 14:41Speaker 02

  And then having an incident, incident like that, where white kids tie you to a tree, they call you a nigger.

• 14:51Speaker 02

  Walking back into the house, if I come back and say that, like, what's your response going to be? Are you going to fight for me in that situation? Are you going to defend me? Or is that going to be something that's like, oh, well, it's, you know, just move on from it? And for me, that, that space didn't feel comfortable to be able to go back and have that conversation and feel confident that, hey, you know what, you're going to have my back, you're going to fight for me in this way, specifically when it came to race. There were other things my parents, I knew they would fight for me and defend me and love me. But when it came to my blackness and how that showed up, there was always a space that there was contention around. And I think that, that dynamic creates a space where it's,

• 15:37Speaker 02

  hey, I, I'm gonna have to deal with this by myself, and I have to navigate it by myself. And I think it speaks to, to some of that piece of like, you build a armor, you build a resilience around it, because you have to navigate and deal with it so frequently that that becomes part of your own resilience, that becomes part of your own...

• 15:59Speaker 02

  In my, in my case, I look at it as part of the strength. Like, you have to deal with and overcome things that other people don't have to, and you build the resilience around it.

• 16:09Fred Taylor?

  So you had to hold that blackness within and hold it close until you got to Nevada, being able to integrate with the Brotherhood of Kappa Alpha Psi, and then be able to learn the historical, I guess, dialogue of, of that blackness?

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Well, there was, you also get some of the, the broader interactions of blackness, which, I mean, some of that comes through media, some of it comes through music, some of it comes through athletics.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Now, I talk about some of the people that I looked up to, and AI, and Randy Moss, Ken Griffey Jr. But, in looking back,

• 16:53Speaker 02

  I also realized, part of the reason they resonated so much was because while they were being criticized for who they are, they stayed true to themselves in that. Like, yep, you're not going to take my blackness from me, you're not going to take my culture from me. And that was something that was like... Yeah, and that, that was something for me that was like, oh...

• 17:18Speaker 02

  I admire this because I feel like I'm fighting this every day. And that's on the culture side and the race side. The flip side of that, they're also the best at what they do. Like, they're some of the best in history of what they do. Which is like, I want to be great, I also want to be unwavering in who I am. And not having to assimilate to something that I'm not.

• 17:45Channing Crowder?

  And those two guys, especially AI and Moss, they were called rebellious.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 17:50Channing Crowder?

  Have you, did you just accept that you were going to be called rebellious when you start living in your blackness?

• 17:55Speaker 02

  That was actually, I remember having this conversation. I was watching the AI documentary, loved AI. And, you know, through that process, I remember my mom being like, oh, well, you just like him because he's a rebel. And I was like, I don't view him as a rebel. Like, to me, that should be the norm. That shouldn't be rebellious to be like, no, this is who I am. But it's rebellious when you view everybody through a white lens and whether or not they're assimilating to whiteness and to dominant culture.

• 18:35Speaker 02

  For me, I looked at them as role models in that way because they didn't flinch, they didn't waver, and they still went out and were the best at what they did. So I think to that piece, it's like, where society is today, you're always going to be framed as rebellious, but I actually don't look at it that way. Like, it's actually just being true to who you are.

• 18:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, the harder part would be to be something else. Right? If you start trying to say, this is how I do assimilate into their culture, become a piece of everything they want me to be, now you lose yourself. Right? And in losing yourself, you don't play as well, you don't connect as well. And so I think that's always such a difficult place to be for the Allen Iversons, for the Randy Mosses. But the fact that they stay true to who they are, I believe culturally, Allen Iverson is the most important player in NBA history. And it was because he maintained that level of authenticity. But even in your young age, like you say, you know, you told your mom, like, you want to dress this way, you want to get do-rags, you want to watch the documentary, that was

• 19:43Ryan Clark?

  also educating you on the culture. Let's talk about moving that forward to being an adult and receiving the book on Malcolm X. And getting an opportunity to dive into not only who he was, but the history that made him. How did starting to truly educate yourself on not only the history of black people, but their treatment within this country, start to shape you even more to who you became?

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was the most pivotal book I've ever read. Shifted mindset, shifted my understanding, and also took me down a path of questioning the things that I had been taught. In part because Malcolm, the Panthers, the Black Power Movement was framed in a negative light growing up.

• 20:41Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 20:43Speaker 02

  So for me, having that understanding of Malcolm's journey, his father being a Garveyite and a follower of Marcus Garvey, him growing, developing, joining the Nation of Islam, but constantly seeking truth in how he had advanced as black people, how he addressed systemic issues, and having pride in that, being bold in that. That took me down a path that led me to discover Fanon, starting to dive in, research Huey and the Panthers. It took me down Baldwin, it took me down Steve Biko and Angela Davis and Ella Baker.

• 21:22Speaker 02

  It took me down a long lineage of black revolutionaries and black leaders that put into context all of my experiences that I'd had to that point, that previously I had a very high level understanding of, but I didn't have the depth and the historical perspective to be able to put it into context. So specifically thinking about that is getting stopped by police. It was like, oh, I know this is something that happens, and I know it's going to happen to me, we had the police run up in our house. But like, what is the actual root of that?

• 22:04Speaker 02

  And understanding policing came from slave patrols and evolved into what it is today, that that becomes a way to be able to be the engine for the prison industrial complex. Like, all of this systemic factors and the historical perspectives, those became critical to me having a broader understanding beyond, oh, this happened to me in this moment, or this is happening to us in this moment, what should we do about it? That deeper connection became critical to be able to actually understand how to move forward.

• 22:36Ryan Clark?

  You know, in reading some things in the book, I kept thinking to myself, I wonder if Colin, in the moment, had some of the perspective he's describing. And I thought about that specifically when you were speaking on the draft combine, the NFL Combine, right? Because it's part of the process. It truly is. And we've become accustomed to that, that if I play really well in high school, I'm playing really well so I can get a college scholarship. And once I get this college scholarship and I become a starter and people start to mention me this way, then the goal is to be invited to this thing. Right?

• 23:19Ryan Clark?

  And when you're there and, you know, they're taking pictures of you in your tights and those different things, you know, you're trying to put your best foot forward, but you can step back from it and realize it may have been something else. When did you truly start to have the realization that, hey, this does, in this sense, remind me of the slave trade?

• 23:41Speaker 02

  So in the, in the moment, to your point, like, you're in this space that you're like, I'm this close to realizing my dream of playing in the NFL. You're like, whatever hoops I need to jump through, I've jumped through all of the hoops for years to get to this point. Like, I've put the work in. It's like, this is, this is my interview for the draft. And that interview, that's going to have seven-figure consequences. So you're like, all right, whatever I need to do, let me show up the best way possible, let me prepare. And when you get to the point that it's like, yeah, strip down to your drawers, it's like,

• 24:25Speaker 02

  well, like, why do I need to do this? But also, I mean, I guess this is what I have to do and everybody's doing it, like, all right, this is part of the process. Now, at that point in time, there's conversations with players at a high level of like, yo, why do we have to do that? You have a high level sense of like, you know, it feels like it's a meat market. But at that point in time, I didn't have the historical perspective to be able to tie those together in such a parallel. Now, one of the things that I think is important in the conversation, and this is, this is

• 25:08Speaker 02

  always the, like, framework that people use, like, well, you're getting ready to make millions of dollars, how could you make that comparison? And while the compensation may be different, and that dynamic is different, that doesn't mean the process isn't the same. And the intention behind the process isn't the same. And for me, looking at it in retrospect, is this becomes a way to be able to condition players to be obedient as part of this process. Do what you're told to do, show up how you're supposed to show up. If you do it well, we'll pay you well. If you don't, it's going to cost you.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  And I think for me, that became a piece, looking back in retrospect, and I think there's more conversations being had around it now. It's like, how does this actually help you define if I'm a great player on the field or not? You have years of film that you're going through. You have my stats, I'm going out, I'm doing the workouts for you. You have your pro day after that, you do individual workouts after that. Why does me standing in my drawers have any impact on your ability to define if I'm a great player or not? And the short answer is it doesn't. So if it doesn't, then why does it exist? For what purpose?

• 26:31Ryan Clark?

  And it does make you think of the origin of that mindset, though. Right? And the same way you're speaking about, yeah, you know, you just kind of were conditioned that the police may run up on you at some point, right? This is going to be a part of your story. But then you say, okay, but where does that start? And I think the historical references you begin to gain as an adult through the study does allow you to have the framework to position yourself to communicate why these things matter and impact me the way they do even before I knew it.

• 27:04Speaker 05

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• 27:21Speaker 07

  What would happen if I stopped going? You stop, you freeze in there, that's what.

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• 27:34Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, Colin, just going back and replaying everything, man, it's making me think a bit about this whole football player and activist thing. And I kind of believe, man, that you're more of the activist that was given the opportunity to play football. I really, you've really been doing this for well over 10 years. Football, not counting college, but using your professional career and platform, drafted in 2013, being ready when Alex goes out with the concussion, hopping in there, doing damn well, leading the 49ers to the Super Bowl. Unfortunately, came up a little short, but you played your ass off.

• 28:17Fred Taylor?

  Then a little bit after that, this comes over you. God has a funny way to use you for things that he wants to get done. You talk about Malcolm X. I think your voice has definitely been needed in our, in our community. And the things that you've done in the community, it doesn't go unnoticed. So do you ever look at it and say, God put me here for this specific reason, but he allowed me to experience football for a moment, but this is the bigger picture?

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Hmm. That's a great question. I, I don't think about that too much, because, and maybe, maybe this is the, the football player in me that I'm constantly like, all right, what's the next thing we have to do to move forward? What's the next thing to, to continue to advance? And for me, as, as I have a better understanding of ways to be able to help and benefit people in, in our community, it's like, well, let's go out and execute on that. Let's build the game plan, let's go out and do the work.

• 29:31Speaker 02

  And kind of, let's let the chips fall where they, they lay at the end of the day. But I think the part that's most important is never being complacent with, with where we're at. I think one of the things that I was taught from a young age was football is, is what I do, it's not who I am. And I think that becomes an important distinction because I can be a great athlete, I can be a great quarterback, I can go play in the Super Bowl, but also there is more to me and there is more to us collectively within that.

• 30:13Speaker 02

  And I think the other part that becomes important is not just looking at things through a, an individualistic or personal lens. Like, it's amazing to go out and have that success and be able to accomplish your dreams and be able to, to chase them in that way. At the same time, if that's the, if that's the only purpose and the only goal that I have in life, I feel like I'm failing. Like, if I go out and I have all this success in the world, and I see our community getting killed, I see them not getting the same opportunities, I see them being discriminated

• 30:54Speaker 02

  against, I see them being incarcerated, and I take an approach of, oh, man, that sucks for y'all, but like, I'm good. Like, what, what kind of life is that? And to me, as a, just as a man and being able to look myself in the mirrors, yes, the, the goal of being successful and reaching those spaces is also, how do you create opportunity and bring as many people along as possible? And how do you actually change the structures that keep those, that keep our communities in those positions? So I think the, they go hand in hand, but it's continuing.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  How do you push the bounds of what's possible and how you do that in a way that creates the best possible outcome?

• 31:43Ryan Clark?

  Your resume doesn't read black activist to me, though. Let me say this, right? Like, if they were, if you were going to tell me, in my opinion, one of the most revolutionary athlete activists in the history of our time was a light-skinned kid, raised by an all-white family in Wisconsin in Turlock, I'd have been like, man, you out your mind? Not that one. He gonna look like Wesley Snipes. 100%. Hey, 100%. Sam, I would be gay.

• 32:26Ryan Clark?

  The dude, the dude that changes the world when it comes to being an athlete and activist, he gonna be black as your shirt, and I know it. You know what I'm saying? Like, it just, like, that just wasn't, in my opinion, going to be it, man. So when you are making this decision, and you and Eric Reid, who's a good friend of mine, are having this conversation, you know, the Chargers game is upcoming, and he say, you know, we are going to do it this way. At that moment, how much, Colin, did you understand that the world would change, but more importantly, your world would change completely the day you took that knee?

• 33:10Speaker 02

  Um, no. First, to your point, shout out to my brother Eric Reid. A little bit of context for, for everybody watching, Eric Reid was the one who came up with the idea to take a knee. He also continued the protest after I was blackballed. He also played his last season with the Carolina Panthers, set two franchise records, got cut and never saw the field again. So he has experienced very real consequences for him, his career, his family as well.

• 33:48Speaker 02

  But in that moment, I knew things were changing the week before we took a knee, when Steve Weiss asked me why I wasn't standing for the Star Spangled Banner after our third preseason game. That was a definitive moment that I knew there was, there was going to be significant change, because we saw the response to that. Then, then going to take in a knee with Eric, that became, in many ways, Eric's, Eric became the first validator of the protest in taking a knee.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  And going out there and doing that together in San Diego set the stage for, this isn't a one-off moment, this is something that's continuing and we're going to try to force change with. And I think there's a realization of...

• 34:50Speaker 02

  You don't fully know what life is going to be like after. But at that point, I did have a historical understanding. We've, we have seen this repeat itself. Whether it's Ali, whether it's Tommy and John, whether it's Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf. Seen it with Kareem, we've seen it with Kurt Flood. So any number of athletes. And then if you get into the broader black community and revolutionaries and leaders, like we've seen the consequences come out the other side of that. And those were all things I was, was very aware of. And mentally had prepared for if things went that way. Which I think made, made that process easier in many ways.

• 35:35Speaker 02

  It was almost, it was almost like watching film before a game. You're watching film, you're visualizing what may happen. You don't know how the game plays out. But you're preparing for all of the circumstances, all of the scenarios that may come about. And start playing out, oh, well, if this happens, how would I approach it? If this happens, what do I do? You're never prepared for everything. But you want to have awareness around what, what the potential outcomes are. And then on the back of that, then became such a huge moment and movement.

• 36:20Speaker 02

  That was like, there's nothing that prepares you to be able to navigate that. Right. You are constantly learning, evolving, iterating, thinking through different approaches as far as how you address what is coming your way. And also how you ultimately try to get to the outcome that you're looking for.

• 36:39Channing Crowder?

  And that outcome, because you said you want to make change. And your, your first statement said, I do this because people of color are oppressed in this country. And I'm not standing for a flag of oppressed people of color. And it's, how do we get over here? You know what I'm saying? Jim Crow, you know, you can go through it all.

• 36:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:57Channing Crowder?

  That wasn't going to change what you kneel in. Like, I always do things in my mind with an equal sign at the end. You gonna kneel? Like, like, I'm just trying to work through your mind. You're gonna kneel to take your stance, which everybody respects. Very divisive, as we, it's kind of sad in this country, very divisive. But after that equal sign, what was the, to your options in your mind? What was the good option that was about to happen?

• 37:23Speaker 02

  I mean, the, the good option is you start creating systemic change. To your point, you're not going to solve oppression overnight. Like, you're not going to solve all of the systems overnight. But you can make meaningful progress towards solving them. And a lot of the conversation that I was seeing happen at that point in time was, oh, we need to do something, we need to take action, we need to organize. And there are phenomenal people that were doing that within communities that also did not have a, a national stage. That oftentimes had their voices dismissed because it was, oh, well, you're not, you haven't made it, you're not in a position of power. Or why, why would we listen to you?

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Like, you haven't done X, Y, Z. And how do you actually change that narrative and positioning to? No, all of these are very real issues. They need to be addressed collectively. And we're going to create space and opportunity for them to be able to be addressed holistically. So while the equal sign may not be, hey, we took a knee, oppression is solved. It is taking the knee, taking action towards solving it. And also creating more space and opportunity for other people to be able to join in it.

• 38:44Speaker 02

  And I think part of it is, are there people who weren't aware or had a level of ignorance to it? Yes. Were there people that had an awareness but didn't feel comfortable speaking out on it? Yes. Were there people that were doing the work and weren't having their voices heard or weren't able to make meaningful progress because it didn't feel like there was enough support in place? Yes. So how do you create an environment that actually allows you to activate all of those people to say, no, we're collectively taking action towards these goals, towards these outcomes. And we've done that through Know Your Rights Camp, we've done it through partnering with

• 39:29Speaker 02

  other organizations, we've done it through partnering with other leaders. And I think that becomes important, that as we think about solving these issues, you may not solve them holistically in one shot. But you can create the environment to allow you to meaningfully move forward and ultimately get to a place where everybody's in a better position.

• 39:54Speaker 08

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• 40:23Speaker 02

  Did you know you picked the worst possible leader to decide to do this, though? Right? The leader of the free world was not, at the time, was not the person. You had a platform, right? And at the time, the President of the United States was a president who was going to publicly oppose you and your stance and hijack it. Right? He tried to hijack the stance from the, the highest office in the country. That was his concern. And then you get someone like Nate Boyer, who comes in and tries to hijack it as well. And eventually try to sell it on a T-shirt. Right? And so. And on the TV screen. Yeah, you know what I mean?

• 41:08Speaker 02

  So for, for you, at, at that time, when you are consistently, you're not only demonstrating, but you're communicating the meaning, the purpose, the reason. And so many of the people who are opposing are hijacking that to make it their own. How difficult was it for you in that space to stay strong in what you were trying to accomplish? That, that was probably one of the, the most difficult pieces to be able to navigate. Because I look at it from a few different angles.

• 41:52Speaker 02

  One is, y'all know this, being a football player and being competitive? Like, when someone challenges you, the initial reaction is like, I'm about to go with your neck. Like, I gotta, I gotta let everybody know, like, where I stand and, and what's about to come. That also comes from a place of ego within it. And there was a lot of navigating of, what do I personally want to do and how I want to respond? Versus what is most beneficial to be able to move the movement forward?

• 42:37Speaker 02

  And what's most impactful there and staying focused on that? So while in the moment Nate Boyer doing his press run and, and going out and trying to hijack and redirect things, also became a space of, is that the right battle to take on? Because then it becomes a conversation of, oh, well, they're fighting over here. Like, that becomes the conversation as opposed to, no, police are killing black people. And we have systemic issues that need to be addressed within our communities. Or I should say, that are happening to our communities. And there was a constant navigating of that.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  And that, that has shown up consistently throughout the last 10 years of moments that I'm like, I, I personally want to pop off right now. Like, I, I personally, that is what I want to do. I also don't think that's best to be able to allow us to move forward.

• 43:44Ryan Clark?

  So we just gonna let Jay-Z just freestyle?

• 43:48Speaker 02

  But, and that, that's also been the interesting part of the last 10 years. So.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  When I protested, I didn't protest the NFL, but they had a whole lot to say. At that point in time, I wasn't protesting Donald Trump. He had a whole lot to say. I wasn't protesting Jay-Z, and I didn't have an issue with Jay-Z. I actually asked him to keep my name out of it. But if you continuously bring something to my doorstep, there's a certain point that's like, okay, you're asking me to address this. And, I mean, going to that one, that was one, I had reached out previously to him to say thank you, because he had worn my jersey on SNL. It looked like he was supportive.

• 44:42Speaker 02

  They had tried to recruit me to Roc Nation. And I was like, oh, like, this seems like an ally. And on the back of it was, wouldn't ever get on a call, wouldn't meet, which, no problem, I know people got, they got their own things they're focused on. No worries. But the first phone call I get from him, they asked me to get on, is the day before he goes out and does the press conference that he did the NFL deal. Now, the backstory behind that is, the only reason he called was because he did an interview with a reporter named Andrew Beaton,

• 45:26Speaker 02

  who asked him, have you talked to Colin the day before? And he was like, no. And he was like, oh, well, don't you think you should have spoke to him? So he called me to be able to say, oh, I spoke to Colin when he went to the press conference. And I, at this point, that was not the first time that had happened. That happened with Travis Scott before he went out and did the Super Bowl. At that point in time, entertainers were protesting the Super Bowl. They weren't doing the Super Bowl halftime show. And I was like, look, I disagree with everything that you're doing. At this point, I had just finished going through litigation with the NFL.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Had deposed them, had gotten all of the discovery. So I knew the conversations that they were having. There was also a recording that was leaked, where it was a players' owners' meeting, where Terry Pagula, from the owner of the Buffalo Bills, was like, we need a black face to be able to help us solve this. And they tried that with the Players Coalition. And it was like, we need a bigger black face. And I told them as much. And it was like, well, the ink's dry. And look, if you want to do a business deal, just say it's a business deal, and own the consequences on the other end.

• 46:51Speaker 02

  But don't try to frame it as something else. And the part that's more nefarious to me than that is, one, going in and saying, oh, we're beyond this now. We're past kneeling. Which, you weren't out there protesting with us. You weren't the one getting heat. But also, going to, and having Roc Nation and the people within Roc Nation, going out and planting negative stories on the back end of that. And we got those calls directly from reporters. Hey, is it true that you've gotten all these offers?

• 47:35Speaker 02

  And you turn them down? Oh, we hear that you actually don't want to play anymore. And trying to plant negative stories to try to better position yourself? Like, I'm fine having disagreements with people and wanting to go down different paths. Don't make up stories and try to be malicious in the process.

• 47:54Fred Taylor?

  I think what gets lost in everything is that people magnify the kneeling, right? But they tend to lose what you are actually kneeling for. Can you speak to that a little bit?

• 48:13Speaker 02

  To me, that was part of the intention of a lot of the conversation that was being had within media, was how do we actually not have to talk about police killing black folks? Can we, can we talk about how the NFL is responding? Can we talk about how politicians feel about it? Can we make it about the military? It's like, no. We were very clear from the beginning what we're trying to address. And we're doing work around those issues directly in our communities. We're doing it with partners. There becomes a point where

• 48:58Speaker 02

  you have to continue to stay focused on the work. The conversations that happen, those are going to happen. But you have to be relentlessly focused there. And that's some of what led to, I'm not even going to worry about these other conversations that are being had. And we're just going to stay steadfast on, here's the work, here's what we're doing. We're going to be directly in communities and moving forward in that way. I will say, in retrospect, I look at it and I'm like, should we have been addressing more of this in real time?

• 49:38Speaker 02

  And mayways popping off, just be like, the points that are being made are so illegitimate and so distracting. Does addressing people in real time and bringing them back to the focus, does that help us move forward? And that goes back to some of that equation of, do I want to do that because personally that's what I want to do? Or does that actually move us forward? And that's something that I'm not 100% sure one way or the other.

• 50:14Fred Taylor?

  Does the fight over the last 10 years feel more like coming up five yards short in the Super Bowl? Or you're okay with knowing that the work you're doing with the No Year Rights Camp is more like a game of inches? And you can see the progress that you're making with the pledges, community, and everything positive that's come along in the past 10 years?

• 50:40Speaker 02

  I would look at is, if we were playing in the Super Bowl or playing this out as a football season, we're early in the game. I don't look at the 10-year mark as like, oh, we're in the fourth quarter. Like, we're either going to win or lose it right now. Well, I will say, the moment we're in currently feels like a turning point within that. Where collectively, and we're starting to see this show up more and more, collectively, we're either going to decide, hey, we have no power and control, and we're just going to let things play out

• 51:25Speaker 02

  the way this administration wants them to go? Or we're actively going to fight back against this? And say, this is not what we believe in. This is not what's best for us collectively. And it's not what's best for our community. And we're going to have to be very bold in that. Because part of the approach, and this is the same approach that the NFL took, is, well, we're going to try to send as many warning shots as possible to send a message, if you try to do that, we're going to come for you. But every time that is intended to deter the next person from doing it and to deter us collectively from doing it,

• 52:08Speaker 02

  which, I think we have to take that as a space of, we're not going to let that happen. The conversation shouldn't be, hey, if we take action, what happens? The conversation should be, if we don't take action, what happens? We have to collectively be moving forward. The other part is, we can't wait for it to knock on our door. Like, we get, and collectively, we get very comfortable being like, oh, that's happening over there. Hopefully, it doesn't reach me. Or, you know what, I'm doing all right. I can just wait this out. But there's millions of people who can't.

• 52:54Speaker 02

  And when it does come to your door, or it comes to the door of someone close to you, you're gonna want everyone to rally around that and be like, you know what? We need support and protection. But did you show up for other people when they needed it? And I think that becomes this mentality of, we have to look at it through a lens of collectivism. We can't look at it as, can I get by? Can me and mine's get by? Are we good there? No, we collectively have to thrive. And we collectively have to create better conditions for each other and protect each other as part of this.

• 53:30Channing Crowder?

  And when you say "we," all the work we do, I'm sure you're bringing up your beautiful wife, Nessa. Right? She's a part of that.

• 53:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 53:42Channing Crowder?

  You did good, young man. You did good.

• 53:46Channing Crowder?

  Intellectually and visually as well. But yeah, you did good.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  See, we can't tell you no one.

• 53:54Channing Crowder?

  But there was, like you say in those stories, you see people that bring stuff up.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:59Channing Crowder?

  And they were speaking about your wife like, it was a negative way, like she put a battery on your back for blackness. Where I would say like she was almost, because as you talk, where you were looking at it as a kid, you were seeing it, then you were doing your research. Then the Kappa's, you wanted that information and you were just building it up. And she might have been the last, the last infinity stone to make the blackness thanos. You know what I'm saying?

• 54:26Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 54:27Channing Crowder?

  When I'm hearing the stories, I'm like, no, he got a strong black woman and now, oh, that was a... Now, that's what's going on? Like, I was looking at it like that when I'm reading the stories in a negative light. Like, kind of talk about, like, put that to bed or even just say like, what your wife did for you when you did meet her, when you did meet that beautiful woman.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  I appreciate you bring this up. Because Nessa is, she is exceptional. And she was exceptional before we got together.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Very successful career, successful trajectory. She had navigated a whole lot in her life to be able to get to that place, so extremely resilient. But she did introduce me to the autobiography of Malcolm X. She did open the aperture of what I saw within society, what I looked at in relation to a global perspective. Like, she helped me grow, evolve, and develop. And what's so interesting to me is, that's framed in position as a negative.

• 55:28Channing Crowder?

  Crazy.

• 55:28Speaker 02

  As if that's not what you would want in a partner. Like, to me, that's what we should be striving for, is a partner that makes us better. And I hope I make her better in that process, too. And I think some of that is misogyny.

• 55:43Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Where it's like, oh, well, you can't have a woman helping educate or lead a man. And it's like, no, there's opportunities and times that she needs to lead. She is a co-founder of Know Your Rice Camp.

• 55:58Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  Like, she helped build some of the vision around that, too. And I think that's incredibly important because also when we look historically, there have been phenomenal women that have built and led movements that we often discount. Like, whether it's Betty, or Coretta, or Rosa, or Ella, or Angela, Erica Huggins, like, we have phenomenal leaders that were leaders in their own right and also helped make their partners better. And both of those can exist, and they should exist. Now, the other part that I think is, and this is one you never know until you're actually in the moment,

• 56:44Speaker 02

  is on the back of protesting. This is something Nessa did not ask for. Like, she, that was not something she signed up for as part of like, hey, we're gonna be together.

• 57:01Speaker 02

  And as part of that, did not flinch.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Immediately was, okay, so what are we doing? What do we, what do we have to activate? How do we have to move? And has been consistent and resilient in that, and steadfast in that through 10-plus years. In 10-plus years of personally being attacked. What, why are you so loud? Why you talk so much?

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Were ISIS sympathizers because her and her family are Muslim?

• 57:44Speaker 02

  And had to deal with all of the attacks that came along with it.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  And still said, no, the work is more important. We're gonna continue moving forward. There's not a question of whether or not I'm gonna support you in this journey. We just have to figure out how we're gonna move forward on it. And that's so critical. And I don't think I would have been, I know I wouldn't have been able to navigate things the way I did if she wasn't right there with me.

• 58:10Ryan Clark?

  Well, Carla, you, listen, you know a relationship? You know if home ain't right, ain't nothing right. You already know, you go home and you getting beat up. You like, man, I don't even need to go out in the world. It's bad here. You know what I mean? So that is all important, especially in the way you were going to be attacked. You know that is going to touch the people close to you. And she got it personally. It wasn't just she was feeling what you were feeling. They actually went after her as well. The thing, you know, we like to do on this show, though, that I love to do is like, talk about the people. Right? And obviously, you've done so much. And people want to know the little intricate parts of your mindset. I want to know what it's like being a dad, man.

• 58:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:56Ryan Clark?

  You know, I am, and you know, another connection, I'm a C-section baby. Right? So my cord was wrapped around my neck. And so there were some things that had to happen for me to be in this position. Now, I know you went through some of the same things. And we talk all the time about like, our babies. You know what I'm saying? Like, my kids are in their twenties, bro. And I still want more for them than they want for themselves. I still hurt for them more than I hurt for myself. Right? I still get more joy from watching them. So when you're, you know, you're in that delivery room, you know, and Nessa gives birth and your baby's not breathing, talk a little bit, man, about what you were going through personally,

• 59:39Ryan Clark?

  that competitor in you that wants to fix everything? And now you're basically helpless watching this happen.

• 59:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a moment you don't ever want to go through.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  It was also something that Nessa and I had talked about prior to her going into labor, was if anything happens, you leave me and you go with our baby. Doesn't matter. So we had that conversation in advance. And then in having a C-section, like, the part that we weren't prepared for was, because your baby's not traveling through the birth canal, it doesn't push the fluid out of their lungs sometimes. So our baby girl came out blue. And the immediate, the immediate reaction is,

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  I'm watching the doctors and nurses.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  And I could tell on their face, like, oh, it's not, something's not how it's supposed to be. Something's not right.

• 1:00:52Speaker 02

  I also have Nessa sitting right here, laying right here, looking at me for, oh, is our, is our baby girl good? And there, I think some of this comes back to like, football training.

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Like, you go to a place of immediate calm, even when there's like a sense of panic or urgency or like a situation that you're like, I don't fully know what this is, but I have to lead. It's like, no, she's, she's okay. They're just, they're trying to get her to cry.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  And they finally get some of the fluid out. She starts crying and it's like a,

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  all right, sigh of relief. But also can tell they're moving, like, oh, we need to get her to NICU. We need to get her on CPAP. And immediately it becomes, okay, my,

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Nessa, you just had a C-section. Your stomach is still wide open.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  You have to leave and go follow the baby.

• 1:02:11Ryan Clark?

  And she tells you this? She tells you to go?

• 1:02:14Speaker 02

  What, she tells me this? We've had this discussion. But as a husband and father, you're in the space of, the two people I love most, both are in very vulnerable positions right now. And remember, I followed Nyla to NICU? And that, we often talk about like, the fatherly instincts or the dad instincts that kick in immediately. And I had that moment in the hospital.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  As Nyla's going into the NICU, one of the nurses came and was like, oh, you can't come in, we'll come get you in about an hour.

• 1:03:05Speaker 02

  I had.

• 1:03:08Speaker 02

  I had played every scenario out in my head. And I was like, you know what? I'm OK with the consequences, but there's no way, hell, you're gonna stop me from seeing my baby girl right now.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  And there was a. There was a Puerto Rican dude who was sitting at the desk, and my mom also worked labor and delivery. So I had some of that background of how things operate a little bit.

• 1:03:35Speaker 02

  And dude saw what was happening. He was like, look.

• 1:03:40Speaker 02

  Give me a few minutes. Let them get set up. I'll get you in there. Like, well.

• 1:03:45Speaker 02

  I was like, all right, cool. But don't tell me a few minutes and then try to say it's gonna be an hour. You got a few minutes, and I'm going through this door. And again, I had played all the scenarios out in my head. I was like, on the other side of it, I'm OK with it. As long as this baby girl is OK.

• 1:04:05Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:06Speaker 02

  And that was one of the moments that I realized, like, oh, as a father, you have different instincts. And they kick in immediately to make sure that that your family's protected, your kids are protected. And then also my wife, like, and I'm going back and forth between this and the hospital. So that that kind of laid the foundation of how this baby girl came in the world. Now I feel like I see that resilience show up in her on a daily basis that I'm like, oh, you.

• 1:04:37Ryan Clark?

  You like that?

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  You trying to give me the business right now? I love the independence, just don't direct it at me.

• 1:04:44Ryan Clark?

  Do you know what I was willing to do for you? Right? When she get older, she cutting up, you like, girl, I was gonna go to jail. I was willing. Man, you know, part of loving your family, you talk about the two most important people, is being able to provide for them as well. You had reached heights as a quarterback, still with records in rushing for a game. You bring a team to the Super Bowl. I mean, when you took over the San Francisco 49ers, bro, from Alex Smith, they were 6-2. It wasn't a bad football team. It wasn't a football team that was like, oh, we gotta make a change, right? That was the decision. And you were able to do and accomplish all of these things on the field. And you said multiple times, I love football. I still want to play football.

• 1:05:29Ryan Clark?

  I mean, you even have the workout in Atlanta to prove it, like, I can still do this. And, you know, recently, you were asked about the NFL, and he was like, you know, I hate them. Is that true, right? Do you truly feel like there's a, you don't watch it? Or how much of a level of resentment is it toward the NFL for you?

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  I look at the NFL as an institution.

• 1:05:59Speaker 02

  As an institution.

• 1:06:03Speaker 02

  It has individuals within it that actively blackballed me.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  It took very specific actions to make sure that was the case. We heard it from coaches. We heard it from GMs.

• 1:06:18Speaker 02

  And

• 1:06:21Speaker 02

  the intention behind it was very clear.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  So there is no love lost between me and the institution and those people within the institution. And the decision makers within the institution. Football as a game, and the camaraderie, and the sport, and all that comes with it, I love deeply.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  And you all know this, like, there's no other feeling that you get stepping on that field after having put in so much work and time and dedication to be able to go out and try to win a game and try to win a championship. And that that feeling, that camaraderie, that dedication, the sacrifices that you're making, whether it's time with your loved ones, with this other opportunities, the physical that comes with it. That can't be replaced or replicated. So I love that component of it. The organization, institution, that's

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  they're misaligned with morally and ethically who I believe I am.

• 1:07:37Ryan Clark?

  Man, you know, honestly, we could sit here and talk all day. It's been, for me, you know, and asked many times about people I wanted an opportunity to sit with, you were always the name that popped up. I do think, and I hope it's OK that I share this, obviously, we all know what happened to me recently. I've actually, before then, never spoken to you. You know, we exchanged messages, and he was like, hey, man, can you hop on the call? A lot of times, people say that in where we are in life, and they don't really want to talk. It's kind of like, I'm gonna extend this sort of gratitude or platitude to you, because I know you're going through a tough time.

• 1:08:20Ryan Clark?

  That conversation, the follow-up, the honesty, the integrity that you showed, it meant the world to me. I think a lot of times, people always want to see a person be held to or held in a certain light and perspective, and they want to chip at that and say that's not who they really are behind closed doors, that's not who they really are when the lights aren't on. But at least for me personally, you were. You didn't have to reach out. You didn't have to follow up. You didn't have to be a man of your word, and you have been in every single way. So for me, to you, thank you so much. You know, you don't know in that moment how much it meant to me.

• 1:09:06Ryan Clark?

  You know, I received the call probably in 2016. I went on Mike and Mike in a Colin Kaepernick jersey during that time. I got the call, hey, you can't do that. And I was kind of like, well, it's been done now. But just want to say, man, I've always supported, whether publicly or privately. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you so much for what you've done for our communities and the things that you've sacrificed. And, you know, we both know I'll see you soon again. But, man, just bless you, man. And we just really appreciate you.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  Thank you. And I would say I'm grateful for the support over the years. I'm also, to me, that's our responsibility, is we have to show up for each other.

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  And you all have been doing that. And you have done that for me personally. And we need you to continue to be successful, and we need y'all to continue to be successful. And also, congratulations.

• 1:10:07Ryan Clark?

  Thank you, brother.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  When I saw the news, I was like, yes, like, this is what we need. And to be able to be resilient and continue to find pathways forward, like, if there's ever anything that I can do and collectively we can do to be able to help support, like, that is what we're here for. So keep succeeding and thriving, and we have a lot more to do together.

• 1:10:36Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate it. I just want to, the words he left me with when we hung up the phone, I'll leave it at this, he said, it is imperative that you win. And that stuck with me since we had the conversation.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  Mondo.

• 1:10:49Fred Taylor?

  Hey, we didn't split, we didn't split the room, RC. We got two Emmy winners in the house. You know, we can't let that go unknown.

• 1:10:57Ryan Clark?

  Here's also, here's also the thing, Shane. You always be talking about Kappa's like we soft. We, no. Oh, come on.

• 1:11:06Channing Crowder?

  Listen, y'all, you know. My whole family were Qs.

• 1:11:10Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:11:11Channing Crowder?

  So we.

• 1:11:12Ryan Clark?

  Not we, because you didn't, you, first off, you ain't playing.

• 1:11:15Channing Crowder?

  But I watched all them big motherfuckers running around and stalking around, gold boots and camouflage.