#2442 - Ehsan Ahmad

Ehsan Ahmad is a comedian and co-host of "The Solid Show" with Deric Poston. His new comedy special, "Ehsan Ahmad: Too Soon," is streaming on YouTube. https://youtu.be/m6weMUz0lqA?si=mLbn1S0fCogIg0mjwww.youtube.com/@TheSolidShow2024www.ehsancomedy.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  Hey, fella.

• 0:13Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  What's going on, brother?

• 0:14Speaker 02

  Good to be back, Joe.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  Good to see you, as always.

• 0:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. This time, this time I have something to like actually promote.

• 0:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're always promoting, so I mean, any kind of appearance is sort of a promotion.

• 0:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  You're promoting, the audience gets to see you.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 0:30Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 0:30Speaker 02

  Right. It was so funny because it got me thinking. So I started watching Patrice's Opie and Anthony appearances.

• 0:36Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 0:37Speaker 02

  Because there's a list of them on Spotify. And what was so funny to me was like, you know how they have these like, these group of like mentally disabled people that they kind of fuck with?

• 0:47Joe Rogan?

  Opie and Anthony?

• 0:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that was rough.

• 0:49Speaker 02

  Like a carousel. It's like kind of mean.

• 0:52Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of horrible.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kind of like, ooh, I'm kind of glad I ever passed that. But what made me laugh is every single one of them at the end of the thing was like, "And here's my website." I had a website? And I was like, damn, I've been on the Joe Rogan Experience twice and I don't even have a website.

• 1:08Joe Rogan?

  You didn't have a website?

• 1:09Speaker 02

  I didn't have a website. This is the first time I had a website.

• 1:12Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What did you do? Did you make it yourself?

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Uh, no, I realized like, oh, I gotta just pay people to do stuff like that. That's out of my wheelhouse of like things I can do. Ironically, I'm terrible with technology for a guy who looks like me.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  There's some things you could do, like Squarespace has a great setup. It's pretty easy to do.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's, I think that's just pure, it's like pure laziness almost on my end for sure. And a little bit like, I spend so much time on my, like, my brain space and this is dedicated to my jokes. I don't, I kind of shut out everything else.

• 1:43Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun time to be alive. One of the things is really, that's really exciting about the mothership is for someone like me who's been doing comedy for so long, it's really exciting to watch people's careers launch. You know, like, see guys like Cam Patterson go from... Getting a spot on Kill Tony, to being a regular on Kill Tony, to being on fucking Saturday Night Live. Boom.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  It's crazy, like some of the like Christina Mariani now just like sells out rooms at the Comedy Store all the time.

• 2:10Joe Rogan?

  She's killing it.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  And then you have like Peyton Ruddy and like Dylan Carlino, these are just guys who were just at the club and just made away like social media wise.

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  And you get to see people get just tighter and better like McCusker's new set, like what he did last night. Really fucking good, man. Super solid, really fun. It's just like, we got a good thing, man. It's a good thing.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a fun, it's just a fun place to be around. Everyone just working jokes. That's what it is, really. It's so funny, there is such this narrative outside of the ship about what Austin comedy is, and it's just really just a bunch of people just doing jokes.

• 2:46Joe Rogan?

  The narrative is only with jealous people. It's not based on any reality. It's not based on people go there and hang out.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  Right, well, it's always these people who love to talk about Austin, but they don't talk to anyone in Austin. It's like, there's a bunch of comics willing to hang out and talk to you.

• 3:00Joe Rogan?

  I think I've told you this before, but I have a friend of mine who's, you know, somewhat of a philosopher, an online friend, I don't even know what he looks like, we've been going back and forth for years. But he warned me about this a long time ago. He said, "You've created a walled garden." And he goes, "And you've got all these friends and you're all supporting each other and you're all having fun, but there's a lot of people that feel, on the outside, and they feel like left out of it. And so they're like, 'Fuck those people, that party sucks.'" You know, it's kind of along those lines. And, you know, if you could find some connections to other negative things, you know, like me and Tony, we have this connection to Trump and so to Shane, and you know, there's, there's all sorts of that, "Oh, fucking, you gotta be a right-winger to be in," and then the narrative comes up, "Oh, you gotta tell jokes about fucking trans people, you have to like,

• 3:45Joe Rogan?

  you can't be a liberal, you can't be a this, you can't be like..."

• 3:49Speaker 02

  Well, that, the whole, the whole like, you have to be a right-winger, that's like, to me, that's like massive projection, because there are these spaces where like, if you're a right-winger in comedy, like, there's like leftist spaces that you just can't be in.

• 4:01Joe Rogan?

  For sure. You'll get pushed out. You'll get, you'll get treated badly, more importantly. Whereas at the mothership, like that fucking green room, like eighty percent of the time, it's mostly... Like progressive people.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:14Joe Rogan?

  Mostly left wing.

• 4:15Speaker 02

  A lot of people, most of the people who work there are mostly left wing.

• 4:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a place where, it's a place where, but because right wing people, I guess, are allowed to be here, or like also allowed to be here, it's, it's all of a sudden this right wing Nazi haven.

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, it's like, what does that even mean?

• 4:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is right wing? Like, cause you don't think that that candidate and what they were doing by like storming the fucking gates with illegal immigrants, you don't think that was a good idea? You don't think like rampant spending, completely unchecked with no documentation, like what's going on in California? You don't think, you don't think that's a bad thing?

• 4:49Speaker 02

  What Tim Walz is doing. I mean.

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  It's so, there's so much of it, man. But then it's also like, yeah, what ICE is doing, like fucking shooting that lady seems kinda crazy. You know, like grabbing people that happen to be American citizens and fucking dragging them out onto the snow and asking for their papers, that seems kinda fucking crazy too.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that seems insane.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  But it's also like, they have a crazy job. Like imagine, you're an ICE agent. Just imagine what happened, okay? So, we tried, we used our sponsor Perplexity the other day and tried to figure out through AI what the exact number is. But when you deep dive, you realize they don't know the number. They really have like an estimate of interactions with illegal immigrants. And it's somewhere around 11 million for four years. Which is fucking wild. That's 10 Austons.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah.

• 5:45Joe Rogan?

  At least.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:46Joe Rogan?

  Of illegal immigrants were allowed to get in this country, aided to get in this country, and then moved to states. They moved them, they flew them out to certain swing states. Like this is all, Mike Benz has documented all this stuff, this, there's all, you could see they gave him EBT cards, like, so imagine, you can imagine two things, one, imagine you're one of those people, you're like, dude, they're asking me to come, this is awesome, now I'm in America, I'm gonna get a good job, I'm gonna be able to support my family, and then all of a sudden you have these fucking dudes in bulletproof vests looking for you on the streets.

• 6:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  Like, I thought you said it was okay, I thought the Red Cross gave me a map. I was, you gave me a fucking cellphone and now you're hunting me. Right, now you're just like caught in the crossfire. But now imagine the ICE agents, okay. This is your job. Your job is to go out and find these people. And one of the things you don't get about this, it's like, because there was like a recent clip of mine that got like, highlighted where I was criticizing ICE. One of the things that you don't think about when you're into this is, just like regular police interactions. The ones that you see online are the horrible ones. So you think all cops are horrible.

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  What you miss is the millions of interactions that people have with cops, like, "How you doing today, sir?" "Good, sir. How you doing? Can I see your paperwork?" "Sure, here it is." "You in a hurry?" "I fucked up, I'm late for work." You know, "All right, man, just slow down, go." Like, "All right, thanks, brother." Everything's nice. That happens too. Like, there's nice interactions with cops. There's people that save people from bad guys. It happens all the time. There's people that are thankful that they called the police and they stopped the burglar who was breaking into their fucking mom's house, or whatever it is. Right. There's so many more of those, but you're not seeing those videos. And so with the ICE thing, what you're only seeing, and you're only hearing about,

• 7:41Joe Rogan?

  American citizens that have been arrested, the lady that got shot, you're hearing about all these negative. What you're not hearing about is the number of violent criminals that they've caught. And it's a lot. It's in the thousands. It's not like thousands of American citizens have been shipped out to other countries. That's, no. It's like net positive, if you look at it that way. Like, see if you can find out how many, because I know there's probably gonna be a bunch of various sources that are not totally accurate. But find out, like, what are the number of violent criminals they've caught since they started doing that? After a year away, Canelo Alvarez is back in the ring October 31st,

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• 11:01Speaker 02

  Well, also, also the, there is a question on, this is how, I, because I know this is how they recruit some ICE agents. It's just like their ads on local TV, just offering like signing bonus.

• 11:13Joe Rogan?

  They do it on the UFC.

• 11:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:14Joe Rogan?

  They're in the UFC, there's an ICE ad.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's like, these are just like, also, regular people. How much training are they really getting?

• 11:20Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  Because when you watch the shooting video, you're like, why is the guy shooting also recording with his phone? Like, there's no way that's like, anything you're trained to do.

• 11:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe for his own safety, like, just to make sure that you could see this lady's unhinged. Is he not wearing a body camera? He's not a cop, right?

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:37Joe Rogan?

  So I bet he's not wearing a body camera.

• 11:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:39Joe Rogan?

  So I bet that's why.

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  I bet that's why he filmed it. And also, that same guy, turns out, was dragged by a car just recently. So, like, he almost lost his life, or someone did try to run him over. He's hanging onto a car for dear life. I think he got dr-

• 11:54Speaker 02

  300 feet. He got dragged 300 feet.

• 11:56Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 11:57Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  300 feet is, that's a long way to get dragged.

• 12:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 12:00Joe Rogan?

  Right? You know, you 100%-

• 12:02Speaker 02

  That's a full football field.

• 12:03Joe Rogan?

  There's a full possibility that you may die. There's no single public record number of violent criminals captured by ICE raids just over the last few months, and available data suggests those cases are relatively small share of recent ICE arrests and detentions. One analysis, ICE internal data, said that only 5 to 8% of the people booked into ICE detention late 2025 and early fiscal year 2026 had violent or serious property crime convictions. But even if it's 8%, they've gotten rid of a half a million people already, and then 1.6 million voluntarily deported. So, in a half a million people, 8% is a lot. That's a lot of violent criminals. So this is weirdly phrased. As of January 22, I would say 8% is a lot.

• 12:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you have cancer in 8% of your body, I would say, "You're fucked." You know what I'm saying? Like, if you're saying, "Oh, it's only been 8% that are violent criminals." It's a lot, that's a lot of people.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  But now, now, the question is, are these 8% and the, and then the non-violent people sent in this, to the same place?

• 13:04Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that's a good question.

• 13:05Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? Because, like, I do, you do want the violent criminals out, but then I don't want the non-violent criminals to be sent, or not, or non-violent people who are here to be sent to a prison.

• 13:16Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. It says ICE no longer voluntarily publishes detailed case-level arrest breakdowns by offense type and independent projects. So imagine if you're a dude from Mexico that just walked up here because you wanted a better job, and then they shove you in a prison.

• 13:31Speaker 02

  And now, yeah, in some prison in El Salvador.

• 13:33Joe Rogan?

  And you never did anything bad your whole life, and now you're in some, well, the El Salvador thing, are they still doing that?

• 13:38Speaker 02

  I don't, that, that, I don't know.

• 13:39Joe Rogan?

  That, that was a bad, that's bad optics.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, this, there's a lot of, optics is, the, optics with ICE has been terrible.

• 13:48Joe Rogan?

  It says, "Recent enforcement has involved thousands of arrests nationwide, but available analysis consistently indicated only a small minority of those," is that in italics? No. Is it? Not, is it?

• 14:01Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 14:02Joe Rogan?

  Weird, right? Looks a little funky. No, no, it's not. It's just, that's, that's perplexity showing its bias.

• 14:10Joe Rogan?

  Small minority of those, that's a tone of those in ICE detention arrested by ICE in late 2025 and early 2026, have violent criminal convictions. Most have no convictions. But when they say small minority, they indicated previously that that's 8%. That still means a lot of human beings.

• 14:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:29Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of violent human beings. Like, if you could sign a piece of paper that said that, you know, we're gonna allow a bunch of people into this country, most of them have no violent convictions, but about 8% of them are monsters, evil, sociopathic murderers, drug dealers. 8% is a giant ass fucking number.

• 14:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:53Joe Rogan?

  That's a giant ass number.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:55Joe Rogan?

  The real problem is that they have to do this. This is the real problem. Because the Democrats did what they did. They did a crazy thing. They opened the border up and told people the border was open. And then let people, and then when people tried to stop them from doing it, they used court orders. Like, what was that thing they did down in Texas at the border?

• 15:15Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, cuz Abbott tried to put up something, some like wall or something like that.

• 15:19Joe Rogan?

  They said, "You can't stop this."

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  Which is, what do you mean, but you can't stop people from breaking the law? Like, what are you saying? There's a method to stop this and you don't want it stopped?

• 15:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  Because the dirty secret is the census doesn't count citizens. It counts everybody. It even counts illegals. So if you live in a community that's half illegal aliens, you get way more congressional seats from that district than if you are in a community where all those people don't count. They said that, I think they said that California, if the census did, see if we can find out what the number is. But if the census did not count illegal immigrants in California, I think they would lose a shocking number of seats.

• 16:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:03Joe Rogan?

  Which is kind of crazy.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  You're rigging politics by moving humans into place.

• 16:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta do something. And I, it's a very, something that no one really talks about a lot is like, The Democrats, every single minority group shifted right in 2024.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Every single one, and no one really is like, actually trying to figure out why that's happening. They're like, well, if we just import more people, we can overcome that deficit.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  But they could, they could, if it was successful, they could overwhelm the political process. They could make it just like it's California forever, where you get half the people are like massively disgruntled and so confused about the politics, but they're stuck there. And that would be the whole country. It would essentially be that kind of a thing. And then they do what they do in England, and what they do in Canada is they slowly start clamping down on your rights.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  And England starts arresting people for social media posts.

• 16:59Speaker 02

  Well, I, you know, I, hopefully, that the free speech stuff is so ingrained in our, who we are as a people. Cause England, like, at the end of the day, that, it's not like that country was built on that principle.

• 17:10Joe Rogan?

  This says that they would only lose two House seats. It says, um, California would lose, I call it Canada.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:18Joe Rogan?

  It's like Freudian. Would lose, uh, an order of one to two House seats if possible, if people in the state without legal status were not counted in the census used for appointment based on recent expert simulations. All right, what's this? Here's the thing, like, how many illegals are in California? Let's find that out. Like, what is the estimated number? Put that in there, Jamie. What's the estimated number of illegals in California? I don't know where I'd be without this kind of shit now.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:48Joe Rogan?

  I'm so hooked on using, like, perplexity for any question I have all throughout the day. It's like my smart friend.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  It's like better Wikipedia, cause it can really like, you can use it as like.

• 17:58Joe Rogan?

  Way better than Wikipedia.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause you can ask it questions.

• 18:01Joe Rogan?

  It scans the entire internet, and sometimes it does catch some bullshit articles in there and says, it might be this. And you're like, wait a minute, what, let me go to that article, that might be bullshit. Cause it's only pulling from the internet, right?

• 18:11Speaker 02

  Undocumented, 2.8 million in 2007. That's, well, yeah, that, that would be around two seats, right? Cause there's like 30 million in California.

• 18:19Joe Rogan?

  Something like that.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. That makes a difference. And then you do the same thing in Seattle, you do the same thing in wherever, you know, places you have massive numbers of undocumented people. Cal, um, uh, Ohio is a big one. You know, this is one of the reasons why they had this thing where, like, why are there so many Haitians in Ohio? What do you think?

• 18:40Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 18:40Joe Rogan?

  Think they just decided that Ohio's a spot and they all had a group WhatsApp chat?

• 18:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:45Joe Rogan?

  And they all went there. No, probably somebody's moving them there.

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:47Joe Rogan?

  This is a swing state.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  It was, it was funny when the Somali thing, when, uh, when Waltz was like, this is white supremacy. It was crazy. And it was like, hey, but, but then who's the most supreme white man in the state? Governor? You bitch. Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 02

  Like, that's a crazy Freudian slip.

• 19:05Joe Rogan?

  But it's also like, what a crazy attempt at misdirection. White, white men commit most of the crimes.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's part, I think I told you, that's part of the reason why I think, like, minority groups are shifting away, cause it's like, one, they, I don't think that's something, the, the whole victimhood mentality, that's not something that minority groups really experience, or like, value.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  Especially not minority groups that are immigrants, that are in the middle of the hustle.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  We gotta go to work.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Like, we gotta overcome, that's the whole point.

• 19:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:31Speaker 02

  Regardless of the hand you're dealt, you gotta just play it and overcome. And so that victimhood mentality really kind of pushes people away from the left, I think, in, in that manner. And then like, you know, when, when Biden was like, you know, uh, if you uh, don't vote for me, you're not black. It's like, that's kind of how they, that's kind of how they view the minority vote. It's a hostage vote. It's like, vote for us or else.

• 19:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  It's like, no one likes that energy coming towards them. And they'll lash out and go in a different direction.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  Such a wild thing to say.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  I mean, unbelievably funny. Unbelievably funny.

• 20:07Speaker 02

  Man.

• 20:07Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's just, I can't believe he fucking said it. He's so cra- and he said it with that fucking crazy pulled back face. And it's like, this is madness. Whatever they did to him to make him look, try to look younger.

• 20:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't work, kids.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  No.

• 20:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god, all that. We know what you used to look like. You're on TV all the time, and all of a sudden you, you have a completely different face? Like, your face is different. Like, you're, all your, everything's pulled back and looks cra- it doesn't look like anybody normal that's 80 years old.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  No, all the, all plastic surgery ages, like, you look like an alien when you're old. There's just no way around it. I don't know who lip fillers are for, cause I don't know any guy who's like, yeah, like, I like that look. Like that much, but it's it's crazy how they age.

• 20:52Joe Rogan?

  The facial fillers are crazy too, because sometimes those things become a problem and then you gotta get them removed and.

• 20:58Speaker 02

  Well, now they're doing that buckle fat thing. Where they look like ghouls.

• 21:02Joe Rogan?

  Why would they do that? Why would they take fat out of their face? Fat in your face is what makes you look youthful. What are those ladies gonna look like when they hit their sixties?

• 21:10Speaker 02

  They're gonna look like ghosts.

• 21:12Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  Cause their faces will be all sunken in.

• 21:15Joe Rogan?

  By the time they're sixty, I think medicine is gonna be at a level where they're gonna be able to reverse aging. They're pretty close to being able to do that. They've already done some stuff with mice and they've they've done some stuff where they're they're understanding like what genes are causing you to have these problems, what things could be done to mitigate it. And they're treating aging not like an inevitable aspect of life, but as like a disease that you get over time.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  Instead of like accepting the fact that your body's going to age at a very specific rate and then when you're sixty, it's gonna suck. When you're seventy, it'll suck worse. Instead, it's like what's causing that? Let's reverse what's causing it. And, you know, essentially, if you can do that. And I think they can. If it's they can't do it now, they're gonna be able to do it if, whoa.

• 22:03Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 22:03Joe Rogan?

  What happened? Okay, but this is like day one. This lady just had surgery.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  Popped up on my feed a few times.

• 22:09Joe Rogan?

  She's sixty-nine, almost seventy. Holy shit.

• 22:15Joe Rogan?

  That lady does not look even close to sixty-nine or seventy. Is that true though? Kind of uncanny. Is that true? Is that Dr. Crazy? He's making it up. She's like, I'm fucking forty, asshole.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  It just it just feels like one of those human dolls.

• 22:29Joe Rogan?

  What did she look like before?

• 22:31Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 22:31Speaker 02

  There you go, there's the before.

• 22:32Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, that's the same lady? Bro, that's crazy. You could pick her up at a bar and then you're like, why do you smell old?

• 22:40Speaker 02

  God, that's that's crazy.

• 22:42Joe Rogan?

  You got that old people smell.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  The mothball smell?

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  Perfume all over their body.

• 22:47Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 22:48Joe Rogan?

  I remember there was this, uh, episode of, uh, that show Autopsy. Did you ever see that show?

• 22:53Speaker 02

  No.

• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  There, there's this guy, Michael Baden, and he's a famous forensic scientist that like examines cases and says, "This is actually a murder," and he catches people. And one of them was this guy who was really crazy. And his wife died. Oh, it was his wife or a lady he knew died. I forget the circumstances, but he kept the corpse in his house and had fashioned some kind of an artificial vagina that he attached to the corpse, and then had cases of perfume. And so, I, apparently, the bo- he just kept fucking it.

• 23:32Speaker 02

  Is this like an older guy, an older story?

• 23:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like some Cuban doctor, and it was like some girl he fell in love with, and then she died.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  Right. But it wasn't his wife, right?

• 23:40Speaker 02

  No, it was like, it was like in a plaster case do- thing, and it was, yeah, yeah.

• 23:44Joe Rogan?

  People were fucking crazy, dude. It, it had a mask on it, so it was like a corpse that was like years old, with a mask on it and an artificial vagina, and cases and cases of perfume. So this guy's just fucking covering this thing, perfuming, getting his fuck on, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:02Joe Rogan?

  Jamie just owned it.

• 24:03Speaker 02

  You gotta find the, you gotta find the picture of it.

• 24:05Joe Rogan?

  He even inserted a paper tube into her decrepit corpse to serve as a vagina for making love. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's to the fake vagina. I think it was, uh, yeah, it was like something he made, like he made something.

• 24:17Speaker 02

  Dude, people will go-

• 24:18Joe Rogan?

  He made a thing to fuck.

• 24:19Speaker 02

  People go through lengths to get their rocks off. That's crazy. It's like ingenuity. That's like, man, if you, if you had that energy towards anything positive.

• 24:26Joe Rogan?

  You could get to Mars.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could figure stuff out.

• 24:30Joe Rogan?

  Find us a photo of the corpse.

• 24:32Speaker 02

  There we go.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so this is-

• 24:34Speaker 02

  Oh, no, that's Carl Tansler. That's a different guy.

• 24:35Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's a different one?

• 24:36Speaker 02

  But he did the same thing.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 24:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Key West.

• 24:41Joe Rogan?

  Same thing.

• 24:42Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:42Joe Rogan?

  Secretly took her body, re-used French plaster to preserve her skin, rigged wires and hangers to support her skeleton, and then pumped a continuous stream of perfume to mask the stench of, the scent of decay. Disturbing arrangement continued for seven years till it was finally discovered by her sister.

• 25:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh god.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  What a horror story that is.

• 25:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh god, you find your sister's body and it's just, there's a continual stream of perfume to keep people from knowing it's a rotted body up there.

• 25:14Speaker 02

  Oh god.

• 25:15Joe Rogan?

  He did it for years.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:18Joe Rogan?

  God, men are fucked.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, well, you know, and any sort of like weird predator will end up in that situation where they can do their thing, right? So like, if you like fuck dead bodies, you're gonna be in a corpse, like, simply like, there's like a, like, female pedophiles just become middle school teachers.

• 25:32Speaker 04

  Those in their thirties.

• 25:33Speaker 02

  That's what they do.

• 25:34Joe Rogan?

  Jeez. Carl Tansler, oh god, and that's Dr. Michael Baden, the HBO show, that show was awesome, man.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Oh, and he did Epstein's autopsy.

• 25:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did, he's, he's one of the ones that said that the wounds were consistent with ligature strangulation, not with hanging.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, we talked about this last time.

• 25:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, so, so I recorded my special on the 25th of October, and I have a bunch of Epstein jokes in there, and in the meantime, they, they said they released the files, and I was like, oh no? But they still haven't released them, and I was like, oh, thank god, the jokes still work. I was like, oh my god, thank god, cuz I have like, at, at least two separate times where I bring them up, cuz it was so, it was even bigger back then.

• 26:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's gonna go on for a long time, I suspect, I mean, they said they released them, but what did they release?

• 26:21Speaker 02

  No, they're still not all out yet.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  But what did they release?

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's we, the whole thing's weird.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  It reminds me, it reminds me of that Onion article, where they're like, oh, CIA relea- realizes they've been using a black highlighter this entire time, like. It's like that, it's like, oh, okay, you just, just blacked out pages.

• 26:38Joe Rogan?

  Redacted the shit out of everything.

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 26:41Joe Rogan?

  So like, what did they release? Did they release something recently?

• 26:45Speaker 02

  No, they haven't released anything in a minute, they had that initial release where everything was blacked out, and it was that picture of Winnie the Pooh, which was hilarious.

• 26:50Joe Rogan?

  But isn't there talk about some new releases that are happening soon?

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Have they? It feels like everything's been drowned out by everything else been going on, with like Somali, uh, the Somalians and the ice shooting, it feels like that's completely drowned out, anything about it.

• 27:03Joe Rogan?

  I think some of that's on purpose.

• 27:05Speaker 02

  Oh, a hundred percent.

• 27:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, 27 minutes ago, update story, uh, a federal judge blocked the effort to force the release of more files.

• 27:18Joe Rogan?

  Okay, the federal ju- let's, we said it a little bit wrong, is the federal judge blocked the lawmakers' effort to force the DOJ to release the Epstein file. So they're trying to force the DOJ.

• 27:31Speaker 04

  They already were forced to, they've missed deadlines.

• 27:34Joe Rogan?

  And a federal judge blocked them from forcing them to release it. So a federal judge said, "No, you can't force them to release it," even though you campaigned on it.

• 27:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:44Joe Rogan?

  Even though you ran on, even though you stood outside that courthouse with a bunch of binders, "We've got it."

• 27:52Speaker 04

  He said that, he ruled that he lacks jurisdiction to appoint an outside expert to ensure.

• 27:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's a little different. So the federal judge Wednesday ruled that he lacks jurisdiction to appoint an outside expert to ensure the Justice Department complies with the law that makes all files pertaining to the prosecution of Jeffrey Epstein available for public view. Okay, that's different.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but still, the law chess that they play to make sure it still can't come out is pretty crazy impressive. I don't have the jurisdiction.

• 28:18Joe Rogan?

  But if you're a federal judge, you can't, you have to do, you can't step outside of your boundaries.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Is that, don't they kind of just do that sometimes, though?

• 28:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's not, you're not supposed to. Just because some of them are unethical, or some of them...

• 28:32Speaker 02

  Right, that's fair.

• 28:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't understand all this, so I'm gonna be charitable about it. I'm gonna be charitable about it, but I just don't understand how anybody can go to jail for sex trafficking when you don't have anybody they sex traffic to.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:46Joe Rogan?

  Like, that don't make any sense. It's like, if I was Ghislaine's lawyer, I'd be like, "To who? To who? Like, how did he not do that? Like, you want to tell me there's some sort of a compromise trial? How do you not have a lawyer that goes, "Who did she sex traffic to?"

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Right, that's clearly, there's some sort of backdoor deal that was like, "Hey, spend this time in jail and we won't kill you."

• 29:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, of course.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:09Joe Rogan?

  Or also, she's working with them.

• 29:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 29:11Joe Rogan?

  How do you, how do you have, I mean, in any way, shape, or form, how do you have a person convicted of a crime, when there's, like, especially that kind of a crime, where there's a person that hires you or gives you money, or that you use to get influence from, and then you sex traffic to them? So there's another person involved, and that other person is completely eliminated from the trial because what? Because they're billionaires, because they're heads of state.

• 29:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're powerful enough.

• 29:40Joe Rogan?

  Prominent scientists. What is going, like, how is that okay? That doesn't even make sense that you could get through a whole trial like that.

• 29:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think that's just a, I was saying this earlier, I think this is just a function of government. These like intense like blackmail sex rings that everyone just kind of gets away with it.

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it seems like that's how they.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  It just happens over and over again.

• 30:00Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, look at it this way, like, imagine if you were selling hash.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 30:05Joe Rogan?

  And you had like pounds and pounds of hash at your house and you've been selling hash and you got caught selling hash. And they charge you with distribution and you're like, okay, but distributed to who? Because you're only selling to like rich famous people. You're only selling to like heads of JP Morgan. You're selling all your hash to those guys. And they're like, well, who did he sell the hash to? Nobody. Somebody bought a hundred million dollars worth of hash. And there's nobody? You have no, no person? That doesn't make any sense. There's no crime. So he didn't really sell it. You could say he possesses it, but maybe intent to distribute. But if you want to get him for actual distribution and selling of hash, he's got to sell it to somebody.

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Man.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  At least an undercover agent.

• 30:51Speaker 02

  Right. But like in this situation, it's like, did we ever really think anyone was really going to go to jail for this?

• 30:56Joe Rogan?

  I feel like with continual constant pressure, they have to, it has to slowly leak out.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  Man, I wish I was that optimistic about it. They've, they've done a good job of, they've done a good job of it of keeping the names out of the press even after they said they would leak them.

• 31:14Joe Rogan?

  It says here, FBI and DOJ records from 2019 reference about 10 individuals described as an alleged Epstein co-conspirators, including Maxwell and French modeling agent Jean-Luc Brunel, who died in French custody in 2022.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  That's a way to get out of it too, be like, oh, he sold, she sold it to a dead guy.

• 31:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's also, this is not saying that sold it to them. They're co-conspirators. So they were probably involved in facilitating. They're probably involved in acquiring these girls, making connections. Cause that guy owned a modeling agency. So he's, or he's a modeling agent.

• 31:50Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, so that guy's getting him girls. So he's a co-conspirator, it's not saying that he was John. You know, he was a John that was getting the girls. He was a co-conspirator. So there's at least 10 individuals who were also, which makes sense. If you have this giant blackmail ring, it's not gonna be like one guy.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  Right, I also found it funny, the whole, we, Mark, that Mark Epstein guy, his just brother came out of nowhere. For like a little bit.

• 32:15Joe Rogan?

  For a little bit, and he's like, fuck this.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  It's like, wait, first of all, what do you mean a brother that just knows everything that happened? Cause he came out and said that wasn't like the, the, the email that was like, oh Clinton, uh Trump suck Cl- suck Clinton's dick. He was like, no, Bubba wasn't Clinton, but you didn't say he didn't suck someone's dick. You just said like, it wasn't Clinton.

• 32:34Joe Rogan?

  Trump sucks some guy named Bubba's dick, some drug driver.

• 32:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:38Joe Rogan?

  What is, what were you just showing us?

• 32:39Speaker 02

  And then he disappeared.

• 32:40Speaker 04

  Uh, that, a few of those people were protected by the 2008 non-prosecution agreement.

• 32:45Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, oh, that's a little slap on the wrist, protected a bunch of people.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:50Joe Rogan?

  And so they continued to be protected, is that the idea?

• 32:53Speaker 04

  Uh, that's where no, I don't know if anybody knows if.

• 32:56Speaker 02

  Nothing's better in law than a technicality, huh?

• 32:59Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, that's a slippery one. So, uh, what did Epstein's brother wind up saying?

• 33:03Speaker 02

  He said it wasn't Bubba, and then, which, which implied that he knew, that he knew exactly what was going on on the island the whole time. And it's just out and about.

• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  But he's still saying that Trump some, sucked someone's dick, that's.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, and then he just straight up disappeared.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  Where the fuck did he go? We just learned about him.

• 33:22Joe Rogan?

  Man, I believe a lot of things, I do not believe Trump sucks someone's dick. Cause he doesn't do drugs. You know what I mean, when Charlie Sheen was saying he sucks some guy's dick, like, okay. Charlie was doing so much crack, it was out of his fucking mind.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  I feel like that level of power is a drug, at that, at that point.

• 33:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, maybe. I don't think so. I don't know.

• 33:42Speaker 02

  It's a very fun world to believe that he did.

• 33:43Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's gonna get a guy like Trump to suck a dick. It just doesn't seem... That's a guy who's fucked up on drugs. It's like when Diddy was doing it, they were all doing drugs. It's a drug thing, right? Unless you're a gay man, it's a drug thing to go around sucking dicks. So we're assuming that Trump's been hiding the gay the entire... Not a chance in hell!

• 34:01Speaker 02

  That'd be the most impressive hide of all time.

• 34:04Joe Rogan?

  Also, why would he do that?

• 34:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no reason.

• 34:05Joe Rogan?

  If you're open and you're gay, you'd side with the fucking Democrats. Like, that's the move. You could probably do all the exact same things when you get into office. It's all horseshit. I'm trying to follow up question and it does not know.

• 34:18Speaker 02

  Who's in charge of Epstein's estate?

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  It's thinking. Look at this. Look at it thinking.

• 34:23Speaker 02

  Your laptop's about to blow up.

• 34:26Joe Rogan?

  Would stop. Bro, fucking drones about to hit the building. The mothership's gonna be on fire tonight when we get there.

• 34:33Speaker 02

  Um, so, yeah.

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, man. It's so funny. It's like, it's, it's an attempted cover up of corruption that would have been successful in the 70s.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:42Joe Rogan?

  Right? If they had pulled this shit off in the 70s or the 80s.

• 34:46Speaker 02

  Gone. Well, the whole Franklin scandal.

• 34:48Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they, they killed that reporter.

• 34:51Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  They killed that reporter. There was definitely some

• 34:55Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  underage sexual thing going on there and they were like, dead. You and your son. That's what you get for fucking around.

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, man.

• 35:02Speaker 02

  We'll kill both of you.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  There, well, you know, Tucker's talked about this and a few other people have talked about this. There's a bunch of secretly gay politicians.

• 35:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:11Joe Rogan?

  And then there's probably a bunch of secret pedophiles as well.

• 35:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, definitely.

• 35:16Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  There's definitely, I'd like, I pulled that once on Bottom of the Barrel, just secretly gay Republicans. That was my thing. And then I was like, can you imagine how good that sex feels?

• 35:29Speaker 02

  Especially after you spent all day being like, "It's bad, it's wrong." And then that sex is extra hot.

• 35:34Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, "Oh, yeah."

• 35:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you're going against God and your party at one time.

• 35:39Joe Rogan?

  Some twink with his Converse on, you're fucking, yeah.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then you go back and be like, family value, like that level of.

• 35:49Joe Rogan?

  I think there's a lot of them that are putting on a show, a lot of them. They're putting on an act and you you're never gonna get to know who they really are. And that's why when something comes out, it's like shocking, like, oh. Because they're they're all fucking weirdos. They're all weirdos. You have to be a weirdo to wanna run the, or you have to be like this amazing person. Like, it's two options. You have to be Gandhi or you have to be a weirdo. You know what I mean?

• 36:12Speaker 02

  And speaking of pedophiles, we had a Speaker of the House that was a pedophile for like eight years.

• 36:16Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  A real one.

• 36:18Speaker 02

  A real deal pedophile.

• 36:20Joe Rogan?

  A real deal convicted pedophile.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  What was his name again?

• 36:24Joe Rogan?

  Hester.

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Hester, I think might have been Hester.

• 36:25Joe Rogan?

  I think so.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  I feel like we should look that up, so, yeah.

• 36:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's look that up.

• 36:28Speaker 02

  I don't wanna be like, oh, Hester was like a nice guy and we're calling him a pedophile, but Speaker of the House.

• 36:33Joe Rogan?

  He was involved in a very big scandal of it, right?

• 36:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, Dennis Hester, yeah. It was it was it was like some Sandusky shit. It was at a school that he was teaching at.

• 36:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Allegations that Senate, scroll up a little bit, sorry, what's that? Senate candidate Roy Moore spent his 30s dating, propositioning, and sexually assaulting high school aged girls was shocking, but not without precedent. There have been plenty of congressmen who carried on sexual relationships with teenagers from Thomas Jefferson. That was back when people died when they were 18.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:01Joe Rogan?

  Uh, Strom Thurmond, perhaps more dastardly, uh, Illinois rep Dennis Hester, who served as Speaker of the House from 99 to 2007.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  And a little further down, and additionally agreed that Hester sodomized a fourth grade boy in a high school, in a school bathroom and threatened him if he reported assault. That's like Sandusky stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 37:18Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ. Since the statute of limitation had expired on these crimes, Hester was instead convicted of evading bank reporting requirements in order to secretly pay off his victims.

• 37:29Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 37:30Joe Rogan?

  He served 15 months in prison. That's it. Holy shit.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  That's so crazy to pay off your victims and not do it in cash. What a lot of money.

• 37:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a lot of money.

• 37:41Speaker 02

  That's fair.

• 37:41Joe Rogan?

  I bet it was, I bet it was quite a bit of money. Holy shit dude.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, and just Speaker of the House.

• 37:47Joe Rogan?

  So if there's one kid that got saw, a fourth grade boy in a school bathroom, how many more did he do that to? How many just don't want the shame of it coming out publicly? How many guys are struggling with it right now? They're 35 years old, they don't want to tell that story.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:02Joe Rogan?

  That ruined their life. Cause the Speaker of the House fucked them.

• 38:06Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 38:07Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 38:08Joe Rogan?

  And he, so he's not alone.

• 38:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 38:11Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 38:12Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 38:12Joe Rogan?

  That's the Franklin scandal, right?

• 38:14Speaker 02

  And there's no way that wasn't uncovered beforehand by people. Just the way the political machine works. But that's like, sort of like, you get.

• 38:21Joe Rogan?

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• 40:05Speaker 02

  Me for this, I'll get you for this. So you keep that under wraps. You just have that in your back pocket.

• 40:09Joe Rogan?

  I think it's just part of that game that they play.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  Oh, for sure.

• 40:12Joe Rogan?

  It's like Game of Thrones.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  For sure. It's definitely.

• 40:15Joe Rogan?

  It really is. It really is like Game of Thrones.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  It's just, yeah, whorehouse ism like.

• 40:20Joe Rogan?

  And also House of Cards, right? It sucks that Kevin Spacey got busted because that show ruled.

• 40:26Speaker 02

  I know, right? But, you know, it's so funny because thinking back on it, like if you looked at movies, my genuine take before he got busted for this is he plays the greatest villains.

• 40:36Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 40:37Speaker 02

  He's like the greatest villain actor of all time.

• 40:39Joe Rogan?

  He's the greatest creep.

• 40:40Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 40:41Joe Rogan?

  He's like a brilliant creep, like with darkness behind his eyes.

• 40:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 40:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:47Joe Rogan?

  And then can turn it on the charm, that southern charm for the camera. How about when he did that fucking weird video in front of the fireplace?

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Oh, dude.

• 40:56Joe Rogan?

  Like in character?

• 40:58Speaker 02

  Right after.

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  Kill him with kindness.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  Right af- right after the witness to his case died, like another witness to his case died?

• 41:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like what?

• 41:06Speaker 02

  People were dropping or like flies around Spacey though.

• 41:09Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 41:10Speaker 02

  Crazy. Real deal villain shit.

• 41:12Joe Rogan?

  Acting out the literal plot lines as the character, being the character while he's tending the fire.

• 41:21Speaker 02

  Goes to show you, you can still be a, I mean, he's still a genius artist.

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 41:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, just like a wow.

• 41:26Joe Rogan?

  And in any other time, he would have never gotten caught.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. That's just how the machine worked then, you know?

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he's just one of those guys that got an immense amount of power and he was just a dick grabber like, oh, yeah, dick. And I bet a lot of guys were like, okay, that's the problem with wild pitches. You know, you fucking swing at every pitch, you're gonna hit a few.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 41:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, but he's probably, you know, for all these guys that he grabbed dicks and said, oh, you know, probably drunk, probably fucked up. How many guys like let him suck their dick? A lot, I bet. I bet it was an effective strategy.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Right, especially for famous in Hollywood.

• 42:02Joe Rogan?

  He did it to gay guys, but he was like the one guy that. The story broke was a young teenager, right? Was he like fourteen or something like that?

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:12Joe Rogan?

  And they were working together or something like that?

• 42:14Speaker 02

  It was definitely a minor.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  But it's also like, why is that teenager at a minor with a bunch of drunk gay guys like, hey? Where's your dad?

• 42:24Joe Rogan?

  The fuck is going on? What are you doing there? But it's, you know, it's not excusing him for doing it. The thing about people in the gay community is they look very differently at teenage boy, gay teenage boy men relationships than we do at like teenage girl men relationships. They look at it very differently. Like Milo got in trouble for that. Is Milo on my podcast was talking about this guy that molested him. He was like, trust me, I was the predator.

• 42:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  That's what he said. That's a crazy thing to say. But they look at it differently.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a, I remember someone was, uh, I was living in LA and we had this gay dude who was sleeping on the, uh, you know, we had a

• 43:14Speaker 02

  uh, bed in the living room for guests to stay over. So he was, he like lived there for like two months. And there we were watching Call Me By Your Name. And he, it's like a,

• 43:23Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 43:24Speaker 02

  It's like a, it's Army Hammer and maybe it's Chalamet? I forgot. I was in and out. My roommates were watching it. But it's like about a gay story between an older man and a younger boy. And, um, yeah, he, he would, he said this read like, he was watching it like, oh, this reads like a fan fiction of an older gay dude being in love with like a younger gay guy. Yeah, it's like a, I remember that. I remember him telling us that. I'm like, okay, that's interesting.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, I mean, it kind of makes sense, right? Because we think very differently of like, like a high school football player that winds up banging a really hot science teacher.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:00Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're not mad. You're just like, this is cra- that lady's crazy. She's thirty-five, she's got two kids, she fucks a seventeen-year-old boy in the bathroom, like.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that's, I said, there are the female pedophiles become teachers. That is, that is what they do. They find the way.

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  It's very, very, very different than the scenario of like, the football coach that's banging the cheerleader. That's crazy.

• 44:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's way darker.

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  Lynch him.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, that's way grosser.

• 44:23Joe Rogan?

  It's weird, right?

• 44:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:24Joe Rogan?

  It is weird.

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, yeah, with every, with every time, there is that, there's a South Park episode about it. Every time you hear that story about, you know, the, the, the older teacher fucking the young boy, every guy's kinda like, "Nice."

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, you know how the best joke about it was Zach Alfenakis? He said, "Did you hear the boy died?" Yeah, his friends high-fived him to death.

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Man, that live at the Purple Onion.

• 44:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, fantastic.

• 44:54Speaker 02

  That was, that was a, that was a fucking great special.

• 44:57Joe Rogan?

  What is he doing these days?

• 44:58Speaker 02

  I have no idea. He, he was on that show for a while on FX Baskets. That was really good about the clown. Louis Anderson won the Emmy on it.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  He owns a farm somewhere. He has like, a farm. I think he's like, he's very smart. Have you ever talked to him?

• 45:11Speaker 02

  I've never met him. I've never, the only time I saw, I only time I saw him live was at Brody's memorial.

• 45:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he was real tight with Brody. He, he is one of the ways that I found out that Brody was off his meds. He contacted me when, do you remember that one time when Brody got real kind of, like, almost aggressive crazy? And was like yelling at people in the audience sometime, and it got weird. It wasn't like performance arty anymore. It was like, what's happening with Brody? And then he got back, and he, and he like, bounced it out. Brody had like, legit problem. Whatever it was, whatever his mental health issue was, like, he needed medication. Like, he was, he was legit crazy. And Zach contacted me and said, "It seems like Brody's off his meds, so just don't engage with him."

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 45:58Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, you gotta kinda figure out a way to corral him, get him back on his stuff, and, whew.

• 46:05Speaker 02

  But man, when he was in that main room, when he was in that main room and that crowd, what was left of the crowd was rocking with him. It was just so much fun, just watching him play drums.

• 46:14Joe Rogan?

  He came to the improv one night, we were doing a later show, so it was like a 10 o'clock show, and he was on late. And the show was kind of petering out, you know how it does. At the time, it was probably like about half full. And then, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Brody Stevens. Brody takes his shirt off and starts swinging it around in the air like a flag. He goes through the crowd, "Let's go, energy!" And like, he just gets everybody fired up. He immediately breaks out the drumsticks, starts fucking drumming on the seat, and then starts telling jokes and just changed the whole tempo of the room. Like, everything lit up. It was awesome. It was like, that's what Brody can do.

• 46:58Joe Rogan?

  With pure charisma and talent and just personality.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  And anytime I see him, like, anytime I see a person in the audience like this, all arms crossed, negative. That's all I can think. That's all I can think. It's like, wow, you are giving me negative energy right now for no reason. For no reason. You're at a show, come and enjoy it. You know, especially when you see it, because I cold open a lot, you see it like, like, you see people be like, "Why are you... Why'd you come here, like, impress me? Like, you're already here. Enjoy the energy."

• 47:28Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes for people to loosen up. You have the hardest job when you have, when we do those Joe Rogan and Friends shows and you cold open. I've only cold opened a few times over the last few years.

• 47:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  And it, over the last 10 years. It's hard. You gotta hypnotize those people. You gotta slowly work your way into the rhythm of jokes.

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, you have to sort of like, it's, I like it because it's energy matching. Like, find out where they are, catch on to them, and then bring them to the energy that you want.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  You know who's really good at it? Hans Kim.

• 47:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  Really good at it.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  Well, it's just straight jokes.

• 47:57Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. It's just straight jokes and he's funny looking. You know, like, he's got a big smile on his face, like, he's having fun. You kind of get into his groove real quick. And, you know, he did so many arenas with me and so many big places, and he was the perfect guy. Because he would just go, "Let me tell you something about myself." And then, right away, he would take control of the room. It was awesome.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  Derek's great at bringing them in too. It's fun watching, it's fun watching the different people, like their different cold open strategies.

• 48:26Joe Rogan?

  Derek is just like getting everybody fired up, excitement, and he's so lovable, you know, he's got, again, so much charisma.

• 48:33Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, but it's, uh, the cold opening for as long as I have done, and my career even pre this club, it's just, it made me, I feel like, so much stronger, cause like, almost like running with ankle weights on, and then, now, like, leading up to me releasing Too Soon, I was like, oh, I was like, all these spots I was getting at the end of the shows, these were material, this is all material that I tested at the beginning of Rogan and Friends, which, especially at the beginning of the club, a lot of people were like, wait, you're not Rogan talking to a friend? Like, they thought they were coming to a live podcast, you know, it took a while before the shows were like, oh, yeah, this is a stand-up show.

• 49:11Joe Rogan?

  Really? People thought it was gonna be a podcast?

• 49:14Speaker 02

  At the very beginning, there were some episodes where you had to, like, introduce the concept of this is gonna be stand-up. That's crazy. Now it's not like that, but like, at the very beginning, it for sure was, but like, it was like, I felt my material was like, battle-tested.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, well, it certainly is. I mean, that's, that's, the running with weights is a great analogy, that's exactly what it is.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it makes the jokes so much stronger.

• 49:38Joe Rogan?

  You know what else is really good for your act is, uh, hosting.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:41Joe Rogan?

  Cause you go up so often, like, one of the things that really helped a lot of guys at the store was hosting potluck.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 49:48Joe Rogan?

  Cause, you know, you have to, there's all this chaos, someone just bombed, something crazy just happened, someone just did something completely fucking insane, you have a chance to make fun of it.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Reset the room.

• 49:59Joe Rogan?

  Reset the room, and there's a comfort level that comes, cause you're essentially doing stand-up from 8pm to 2am.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah, when I first started, uh, when I lived in, first was a door guy in Hollywood, Derek was booking the Madhouse, and I would come down and host the weekend shows, so, every day I'd host from, every weekend, or two weekends a month, I would host from 5 to 2 in the morning, cause you'd host the open mic afterward, and you'd just host the entire night, so a full day's worth of hosting.

• 50:26Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it's, it's, because the opening spots suck, but like, they make you better. It's the ones that suck that make you better.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  It's definitely, well, you realize like where the sloppy parts of your bits are.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Where like you're saying them, you're like, ew.

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, like it gets you, you're like, ew.

• 50:42Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  Like whereas the, when the crowd's popping and they're laughing and everything, they want to laugh. You can get that through and it'll actually get a laugh. But then when like, it's quiet and it's the beginning of the show, you realize, oh, this bit sucks.

• 50:54Speaker 02

  Right, like, oh.

• 50:55Joe Rogan?

  I gotta bring this bit to the garage.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotta, I gotta, I gotta not put it up front, what was I thinking?

• 51:01Joe Rogan?

  I gotta tighten this motherfucker up, but it's, you know, there's plenty of other spots. That's the beautiful thing. I mean, we're, we're running four shows a night, every night, and so, and then...

• 51:11Speaker 02

  And there's so much around the scene. There's so much, I was, I was telling someone in LA, it's like, oh, if I choo, if I chose not to get up ten, ten spots in front of an audience member in a week, at the very least, then I chose that. Because it's so easy, just go out and get spots.

• 51:25Joe Rogan?

  There's so many spots.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  With people and like, there's, around, in downtown alone, there's like 12 dedicated comedy rooms. It's insane.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  Did you see, was it Rappaport that got kicked off of a show at Cap City? They canceled his show?

• 51:37Speaker 02

  They canceled, they canceled Rappaport.

• 51:38Joe Rogan?

  And what, let me see what the post was, because they said something like, there's another big club that will have you or something like that.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:45Joe Rogan?

  Are they insinuating that we would have him and that he's racist and we would have him?

• 51:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, they just assume, they assume the mothership is full of racist people.

• 51:53Joe Rogan?

  They don't.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, people do.

• 51:54Joe Rogan?

  But the guy that owns that is the guy that owns helium.

• 51:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, but no, not just that, I think that's pervasive around comedy, for sure.

• 52:01Joe Rogan?

  It's nonsense. They, they're just, they're pretending they think that. There's no way they think that. If you just look at the lineup, there's no way they think that.

• 52:07Speaker 02

  Well, no one's looking at the lineup. They're really, they're really like, oh, Joe and Tony support Trump, so this must be filled with racist people. That's what it is.

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  What did they say? Could you pull up the...

• 52:17Joe Rogan?

  I think they phrased it in an interesting way. So, Austin for Palestine Coalition.

• 52:24Speaker 02

  That's a Rappaport is pretty funny.

• 52:26Joe Rogan?

  That's a Rappaport. He's done canceled. Thank you, Cap City Comedy and Helium Management, for listening to Austin and canceling the racist provocateur Michael Rappaport's show at your establishment. And so...

• 52:40Speaker 02

  Hey, Michael Rappaport, there's a, there's, make sure, yeah, yeah, that's the, the caption is like... There's another club insinuating that we would take.

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

  But what is this? This is just Austin comedy. That's just someone's account.

• 52:52Speaker 02

  It's just someone's account, yeah. That's when I first moved here, that was when I, that's how I figured out where all the open mics and shows were.

• 52:57Joe Rogan?

  But they're not accusing us. It's pretty sure there's another club or large venue space that will welcome you, that aren't run by helium. So but there's a lot of places that that's not necessarily they're saying us. If you still want to make a stop in Austin, just let them know. Most of us here are friendly and won't use politics and hate to cancel silenced performers. So that seems like they're kind of saying, like, hey, Michael, come do another spot. Do it somewhere else. I don't think they're accusing him of that.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  Right? That sounds more supportive of him coming here and saying, most of us are friendly and won't use politics and hate to cancel silenced performance. So that's not helium saying that.

• 53:41Speaker 02

  I guess he's, is he like, I mean, I guess he's outspokenly pro-Israel for this to happen.

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not paying attention to that dude, because I feel like a lot of it is needy. You know what I mean? There's a lot of like, trying to get attention too hard.

• 53:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 53:54Joe Rogan?

  It's like, eh.

• 53:57Joe Rogan?

  He's like, I get, he's not a dumb guy. He's got some really good points, but the problem is if you try too hard and you're doing it all the time, then the good points miss me.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 54:05Joe Rogan?

  They miss me because you're already connected to all that other silly shit.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  They're just lost in a sea of like, yeah, yeah.

• 54:12Joe Rogan?

  Which is good and bad, depending on whether or not you want to be taken seriously, right? I don't want to be taken seriously. So like, if I do UFO shows or Bigfoot shows, like, good. Oh, he believes in dragons. Good. Good. Don't take me seriously.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:26Joe Rogan?

  But when you're talking about something like Israel and Palestine, I guess, because it said something for citizens for Palestine, like.

• 54:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it had to have been. They're not canceling. The Coalition for Palestine is not going out of their way.

• 54:37Joe Rogan?

  I had no idea anybody was calling Michael Rapaport racist.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Oh, well, yeah, I don't, I, this is the first Michael Rapaport news I've heard in years, if I'm being honest.

• 54:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, I had no idea that, like, there was an organized campaign to stop his shows?

• 54:51Speaker 02

  There must be. If it's happening here, it's happening everywhere, right?

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  It has to be.

• 54:57Joe Rogan?

  Okay, since early November, our coalition sent several emails. That's all it took. No, it says they were ignored. While employees had privately shared that they're uncomfortable. Oh, they privately shared that. With anti-Palestinian hate monger Rappaport being hosted, management seems unwilling to listen to their community. That's not necessarily their community. That's just some people in the community. Rappaport isn't just a fanatical Zionist with political views we disagree with. He's a racist who cruelly mocks dead civilians and children. He mocks immigrants and supports ICE detentions of people whose viewpoints he dislikes. Additionally, he has a reputation for being generally disliked by people he's worked with, doxing his political opponents, and has been accused of working with Fox News

• 55:40Joe Rogan?

  to spread fake propaganda. Okay, this is like a lot.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is, yeah.

• 55:43Joe Rogan?

  Who wrote this?

• 55:44Speaker 02

  Austin for Palestine Coalition. So maybe it's just in Austin. Oh, yeah, that's it. Austin, yeah. And they got him out of Cap City.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. But, so what did they, go back up to the top of that thing? What is the original? No, no, no, no, no. The original thing that I read. It said, uh, he's mocked, he's a racist who cruelly mocks dead civilians and children. Is that true?

• 56:12Speaker 02

  I don't think that's true. We'd have to go through his, yeah.

• 56:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the thing. It's like, when you say something like that.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. You just have to take that for face value, that he does that, if you want to believe that?

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  I've never seen anything like that. I would imagine that if he did something like that, it would go viral, right?

• 56:26Speaker 02

  Maybe not.

• 56:27Joe Rogan?

  Mocking dead children?

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, yeah, maybe not. Maybe, probably.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  In this day and age?

• 56:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. If he's, he's famous enough, for sure.

• 56:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 56:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, he was straight up mocking.

• 56:36Joe Rogan?

  If you're mocking dead children. Look, look at the people that mocked Charlie Kirk. The fucking hate came strong.

• 56:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. They, they, they all, they all like lost their jobs.

• 56:44Joe Rogan?

  They felt the heat.

• 56:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, immediately. Immediately.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, we, it is, it is, like, the internet makes people very comfortable with putting their initial emotional reaction out for everyone to see. And it's like, something that Derek talks about, it's like, we gotta go back to the times when like, people were like, oh, you can't post yourself with a red cup. Because like a job might see that and you won't get the job like that used to be.

• 57:06Joe Rogan?

  Think you're drinking.

• 57:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, that used to be like and now people are like just full on sketches of like people dying and like you see so many people die just constantly too. So it's like everyone's just desensitized to everything.

• 57:18Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of desensitization. There's a lot of people that also live in these echo chambers and they think when they say things like well, who was that one lady that was a she was a CEO somewhere. She had a very high level position somewhere and she posted on her Instagram story, I think, something like that. She posted rest in piss Charlie Kirk.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:36Joe Rogan?

  Like, like you're a regular person with a real job and you're talking about a guy who got murdered. You just wrote rest in piss on the internet because in their bubble, they were saying that kind of stuff and they thought it was a cool thing to say.

• 57:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, your your your algorithm is so designed to just show you what things that agree with you.

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  So everyone gets more and more like, oh, everyone believes this. Everyone, because everyone around or everyone I perceive to be around me believes that when really it's just it's all like half of it's fake. Most of it is just some Pakistani guy.

• 58:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, somewhere with like a million phones.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the new AI where you can.

• 58:14Speaker 02

  Constant.

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, the new one where you can be any celebrity and it looks exactly like that celebrity. So all your movements, you could be like, you know, Mike from Stranger Things.

• 58:26Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  And it's super accurate.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 58:29Joe Rogan?

  Like crazy accurate.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  We're getting to the point where like surveillance videos won't be admissible in court. Like it's gonna be, it's gonna be up to there.

• 58:38Joe Rogan?

  It'll all have to be on the blockchain, but even that like, I don't understand the blockchain. Do you? Who knows if that can be manipulated?

• 58:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:45Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find that video of, because there was one performer who did a series of different people from Stranger Things. He did like Elle from Stranger Things and Mike from and it's fucking nuts. The same person just moving their hands around and talking and they look exactly like the other person.

• 59:05Speaker 02

  Right. So now you're seeing heavily manipulated content like you, uh, unless you go out of your way to look for another opinion.

• 59:14Speaker 02

  You're just gonna become entrenched in your own opinion. That's sort of the problem with what's happening right now is like-

• 59:19Joe Rogan?

  Or entrenched in the opinion that they want to promote.

• 59:22Speaker 02

  Yes, they want to promote. You're just sort of like, oh, you're just being fed this constant line of like bullshit. You gotta do some like algorithm cleanses. That's what, like, fuck, like, you know how you go on juice cleanses? You gotta do that with your algorithm.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think honestly, what you gotta do is stay offline.

• 59:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:37Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get got, no matter what. Your algorithm is eventually gonna catch you again. It's like, I'm gonna do a little heroin this time. And then next thing you know, you're a full-on heroin junkie again.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 59:46Joe Rogan?

  For me, it's like, there's so many videos of people getting killed by alligators and lions that are fake. And they just look a little off. Like, the lion jumps in the car and pulls them out. You're like, no. You're like, something's wrong with this.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  The way people react. Right now, the reactions of people in the background don't match.

• 1:00:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  That's what's, because it used to be you could see the fingers and the fingers would be all fucked up, but they got the fingers pretty down now. They're getting better at that. Now, it's like you gotta look in the, if the people in the background aren't reacting, you're like, okay.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  Like, if I was, people in the background would react to a guy getting eaten by a lion.

• 1:00:18Joe Rogan?

  I guess they could probably fix that, though, with a prompt.

• 1:00:20Speaker 02

  Well, that would be the next generation.

• 1:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Scatter.

• 1:00:22Speaker 02

  That's the next generation.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Generation. I think it's just, you gotta just ask it to do a better version. Keep correcting it, asking it to do better.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  Kind of.

• 1:00:30Joe Rogan?

  Fix this, fix that.

• 1:00:31Speaker 02

  Have you ever done that with a video where you asked it to keep fixing things?

• 1:00:34Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:00:34Speaker 02

  It gets overloaded and it just gets worse and worse and worse. If you ask it to fix the, it's not good at making an edit on the video you already have.

• 1:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  So you can be like, let's say it'll just generate another thing, and because it's making a video about a video, everything gets fucked up.

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 1:00:50Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy, dude.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  That one looks kinda AI, but this is like a lot of the-

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  That looks a little AI, too.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  That looks a little AI, too.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  A little smooth in the face.

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  So it's probably better for, do it again? Run it again from the beginning?

• 1:01:03Speaker 02

  See, no, the first couple, the first couple ones might get you. It's one when, when one seems like obviously really fake.

• 1:01:09Joe Rogan?

  You know what the thing is, too? I think it's really good with young people.

• 1:01:12Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, him looks fake for some reason.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, when it got there.

• 1:01:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  But then you realize they all look fake after you see one that looks fake.

• 1:01:19Joe Rogan?

  But not that fake.

• 1:01:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:01:21Joe Rogan?

  It's just if they did the lighting a little better, you know, it looks a little too bright.

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  I want, but yeah, see, I wonder if our perception, because the first three look real. I wonder if our perception would change if they put the one of the guy that looks fake first. You feel what I'm saying like?

• 1:01:35Joe Rogan?

  I don't know because this one looks real. Like that looks like her. Like if you just had that one and had her saying a bunch of things, I would think it's her saying a bunch of things.

• 1:01:44Speaker 02

  That's well, that's fucking crazy.

• 1:01:46Joe Rogan?

  We're fucked.

• 1:01:46Speaker 02

  We're fucked.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  We're fucked, man. Anybody who doesn't think we're fucked isn't paying attention. It's gonna get super weird.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:52Joe Rogan?

  And how much, how much of that are they gonna use on us in the news, you know?

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Oh, it's, yeah, it's, the news is, the news is already fucked, but it's like, I, I was thinking about this the other day, how it's crazy that because our algorithms are so different, I think this is why everyone gets so charged over news things now. Is news is the only thing we have in common anymore. Like, there's not really a show that like everyone's watching, or like, a set of shows that everyone's watching. Your algorithm sends you things that you like, so you're completely disconnected entertainment-wise to the people around you. And the only thing you really have in common is

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  what's going on in the world.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Cause that's the only thing that's consistent.

• 1:02:31Joe Rogan?

  And your opinions on it. What side are you on?

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Cause every, everything becomes divided.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  Yes, and you have to have a take on everything.

• 1:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Vaccines, food pyramid, Gaza.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, everything has to have a take. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, we were cooked as a, like, companies have to do it. Yeah, I've, I've been saying, like, we've been cooked as a country, I've known we've been cooked as a country ever since Ben and Jerry's had a take on Gaza. It's like, there's no reason for this.

• 1:02:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Speaker 02

  There's no reason for this.

• 1:02:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of-

• 1:02:54Speaker 02

  You're a company trying to sell stuff.

• 1:02:55Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of incentives for companies to like, whatever, what is that ESG score? Is that what it is? What is the score that they give, like, so, so companies have DEI scores, that, like, and for favorable loans and for government money? It gets real weird when you start intertwining the, it gets real communistic. ESG score evaluates a company's sustainability and ethical impact, measuring its performance in environmental, social, and governance areas such as carbon footprint, labor practices, and board diversity, to help investors and stakeholders access long-term risk and potential, excuse me, assess long-term risk and potential.

• 1:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Calculated by specialized agencies like MSCI and Sustainal, Sustainalitics. Scores often from zero to 100, or letter grades gauge how well a company manages risks in these non-financial areas influencing reputation, access to capital. This is what's important, and long-term financial performances. Yeah, so climate change impact, resource use, waste pollution, energy efficiency, employee relations, diversity and inclusion, labor standards, so you're essentially forcing the company to act a certain way. You can't do it completely as a meritocracy, you have to have a representative board of

• 1:04:20Joe Rogan?

  people, which a lot of people agree with. None of those people are exceptional. None of the people are exceptional at their job that agree you should have specific categories of race or gender replace meritocracy.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  No one really good, male or female, black, white, Asian, whatever, no one really good at their job wants that.

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  No, no, because that just gets in the way of the job. It's like, I have to like work, worry about this social score, yeah.

• 1:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fuck off.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  That's kind of what we're like heading towards, right?

• 1:04:49Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's less now with Trump in office. There was a guy who was a CEO of some company that was talking about the gigantic shift in dealing with the government that had occurred right after Trump took office. He was like, it was instantaneous, like all the restrictions, regulations, and this is one of the problems with California in particular, it's incredibly over-regulated, so it's really difficult to do anything, which is one of the reasons why so few people have even begun attempting to rebuild their fucking house.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  There's regulations everywhere for everything, it's just over-regulated.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  Well, didn't the government buy a lot of that land, or are they trying to buy that land right now, in the Palisades?

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  It's, I don't think it's government. I think there was people that were interested in doing like low-income housing, and then there was like whether they were going to carve out things, not their speculators, and there's that famous video of Newsom standing in front of the rubble of a burning house going, "There's been some discussions," he's doing that little dance, remember that?

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  "What a sociopath, what a freaky dude."

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  He's running for president, there's no way he's not.

• 1:05:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, good luck, dude. Good luck, dude. You think there's a lot of fucking fraud in Minnesota? Just wait till they start digging deep into the fraud in California. It's going to take an army of people to do, it's going to take a long time, but look, man, there's so much money missing. They spent 24 billion dollars on the homeless and they can't account for it. And didn't... Is it true that Gavin, let's find out this, because I saw this whole article about this that said Gavin Newsom vetoed a bill that would do an audit of where the $24 billion to the homeless went?

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  Well, if their goal was to create more homeless with that money, they did a great job.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  They did a great job.

• 1:06:30Speaker 02

  They did a fantastic job.

• 1:06:32Joe Rogan?

  The crazy thing is they're literally incentivized to have more homeless, because the more homeless people they have, the more money they get.

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Money goes, yep.

• 1:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Which is what? And then you see the salaries of the people that are working on it. Cole Young Noir, my friend that's a second amendment advocate, who's a lawyer, he was the first guy to tell me about that, because he's a lawyer and he was in San Francisco. And he was like, why is there so many homeless people here? It's like, do they need more money? Like, is it what? And his friend, who was a lawyer, goes, no, no, no, no, no. This whole thing is a racket. The more homeless people you have, the more you have to fund the homeless initiative, and then you have this entire ecosystem that's built around the homeless.

• 1:07:08Speaker 02

  Right, and it's just money's going to executives.

• 1:07:10Joe Rogan?

  Millions and millions of dollars. In California, $24 billion. Okay, David Spade was talking about it. This really happened. He blocked bills for an audit multiple times. Bipartisan bill AB 2903 unanimously passed 72 to 0 in the assembly, 40 to 0 in the senate, and would have forced annual public reports on where the money went, and Newsom vetoed it.

• 1:07:36Speaker 02

  Is there no system in the state? Because it's like, if the president vetoes at a federal level, I'm pretty sure the, I think it goes back, if it goes back to the senate or the house, they can do a two-thirds vote to pass it anyway?

• 1:07:48Joe Rogan?

  I don't understand.

• 1:07:49Speaker 02

  There is legislative ways to override a veto.

• 1:07:52Joe Rogan?

  This veto?

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  Federally. I don't know if you can.

• 1:07:54Joe Rogan?

  Federally. I don't know about on a state level. It says Gavin Newsom also vetoed similar bills, AB 27, 2570 and AB 2093. Wow.

• 1:08:07Joe Rogan?

  That is crazy.

• 1:08:08Speaker 02

  Hey, that money's just gone.

• 1:08:09Joe Rogan?

  Twenty billion plus dollars in missing homeless money went. That is really wild, man. That you would veto that, that it passes unanimously. And you're like, nah, playa.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  That's fucking gangster, dude.

• 1:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's why you become a governor. It's probably a good move if you're really shitty mayor of a place like San Francisco and you ruin it. Better be the governor, tighten up.

• 1:08:33Speaker 02

  And stop the investigations.

• 1:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, stop all the fucking loopholes.

• 1:08:36Speaker 02

  You know, that's who I would call that good gameplay on Newsom's part.

• 1:08:41Joe Rogan?

  Snip them loose ends.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, I like, I like looking at politics from an outside perspective. That's some good gameplay right there. If it's a game, that's exactly what you should do.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it's a great move.

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and now you're, and now you sort of can launch yourself as this anti-Trump guy and you're like, oh, it's, it's, it's trying to get on this pod.

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  The problem with that dude is-

• 1:08:59Speaker 02

  The presidential run is coming.

• 1:09:00Joe Rogan?

  He lies so much, he doesn't remember that he lied. Like, he gets busted on, like, we've never used the term Latinx. Because Latinos do not like that Latinx bullshit.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  You want to fucking alienate the Mexican-American community?

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Joe Rogan?

  Start calling them Latinx. They're like, bitch, what the fuck are you saying?

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  Well, that's fundamentally-

• 1:09:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a gendered language.

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's fundamentally against their language. That's the whole point. There are female and male things in their language.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  It's a gendered language.

• 1:09:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So everything has to be an X.

• 1:09:31Joe Rogan?

  Latinx is crazy. That's crazy, stop. The really crazy thing is, you know, we were, we were talking last night with Jimmy Carr's friend.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:41Joe Rogan?

  What was his name?

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  I forgot his name.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, sir. Fun, fun guy, interesting guy. But we got to talking about the, um, the, the different people that lived in America before Columbus got here and before Cortez got here, before all these Spanish explorers turned the entire country into a Spanish-speaking Catholic country.

• 1:10:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:03Joe Rogan?

  Which is really nuts, man. You know, you want to talk about colonizing, like, those people in Mexico, oh, we respect their religion, their culture. That's the culture of their oppressors from just a few hundred years ago.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:16Joe Rogan?

  They lost a hundred different native languages, man. They had so many languages in what is now Mexico, but wasn't even Mexico until 1820. Like, whatever it was, whatever they called it in the different areas, they had like over a hundred different languages. They're just lost in the wind, because the fucking conquistadors came through.

• 1:10:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, and outnumbered they were able to do that.

• 1:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Bro.

• 1:10:40Speaker 02

  This way outnumbered.

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  Crazy. Bro, they had thirteen muskets. That's all they had. Six hundred dudes, thirteen muskets, they burned the boats and took over Mexico.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  Crazy.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  And then to this, but here's the.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  Just the gift of gab, too, was just able to convince Montezuma that they were God.

• 1:10:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, they showed up with metal.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:00Joe Rogan?

  Right? They're wearing armor and they're riding horses. And they're like, this is crazy. These guys are riding horses?

• 1:11:05Speaker 02

  And there's like a famous, I was at La Malinche. Was like a, was like a female native American, or native to the area who like helped them take them down.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's quite a few people that helped them. What they were very clever what they did, because there wasn't united tribes. Because the Aztecs were absolutely brutal. One of the Spanish chroniclers, um, some.

• 1:11:31Joe Rogan?

  I forget his name, something Diaz, but one of these Spanish chroniclers, uh, before the arrival of Cortez. He was there at the celebration of the completion of one of the temples. I think it was Tenochtitlan, and they killed somewhere between twenty thousand as the low end and eighty thousand as the high end. Twenty thousand to eighty thousand people sacrificed in a four-day ceremony.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  That's pretty gangster.

• 1:12:01Joe Rogan?

  So these are the people that were there. So those are not loved people.

• 1:12:05Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:12:06Joe Rogan?

  So it was really easy for them to get the other tribes to go, hey, guys, we got horses, we got thirteen muskets. With your help.

• 1:12:13Speaker 02

  We can take them down.

• 1:12:14Joe Rogan?

  And we could speak Spanish.

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:18Joe Rogan?

  Carnitas.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  That's so wild.

• 1:12:20Joe Rogan?

  Is a fucking Mexican word, but it's a Spanish word.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:24Joe Rogan?

  It's like this, the language, like, they had names like North American, Native American names.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, one guy was a Cacao Lightning God. That was his name. Like, I did a whole bunch of research on these people. Because I just got fascinated because one of the things about the Aztecs is a lot of these, like, super complex temples, they didn't build them. They found them.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. We talk about, like...

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  They called it the place where the gods were born.

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, these, these sort of, like, civilizations that, like, clearly probably existed. Because I, because I, this is something that I think about, um, is like, okay, so do you know the, uh, the story of the Achaemenid Persian Empire, like, succession?

• 1:13:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't know it in detail, but I'm, I'm aware of a lot of it.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Right, the, so you have Cyrus, he has two kids, Cambyses and Bardia. He splits up the realm between the two. Cambyses goes off to conquer Egypt, but he's like, well, Bardia's popular, so let me secretly kill him, and then go off to Egypt. A magi priest then impersonates Bardia, takes over the Achaemenid Persian Empire, is the ruler now. Cambyses sort of dies on the way back mysteriously. And then, uh, a Achaemenid nobleman named Darius is like, hey, this is a magi imposter, kills Bardia. He's now ruling. Darius leads the Achaemenid Persian Empire to be as big as it can be,

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  and he's the father of Xerxes, the bad guy in 300. So that's, but, so, but, that is the only official narrative story we have that's from a first, like, a primary source, and the only reason we have that is because Darius carved that story in himself into a rock relief. It's called the Bithistune Relief. So, that story is basically propaganda, but then 50 years later gets picked up by Herodotus and that becomes the story of the ascension. Right? There's no other primary source on what happened there. You just have to take Darius's word for it.

• 1:14:28Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's in the 5th century, and the only reason we know that is because someone carved it into a rock.

• 1:14:36Speaker 02

  Right, like, we're not carving anything in the rocks now. So if, yeah, so if something, let's say like something happens to the internet tomorrow and it disappears and then our civilization just vanishes off the earth. Couple people survive and they build a whole new civilization.

• 1:14:51Joe Rogan?

  Is all those lines, is that writing or is that erosion?

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  I believe that's writing. I haven't really.

• 1:14:57Joe Rogan?

  Go back to that primary, the original, original. Okay.

• 1:15:02Joe Rogan?

  It looks like cuneiform.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. And it's the way it's, yeah. But that's the only reason we know something that happened from that time is because this exists.

• 1:15:11Joe Rogan?

  And we have no idea if it's true.

• 1:15:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, we have no idea if it's true, but no one's even carving anything into stone for us.

• 1:15:16Joe Rogan?

  Right. So there's. Look at it, yeah.

• 1:15:19Speaker 02

  There's no way.

• 1:15:20Joe Rogan?

  How dope is that language? Look how cool that looks. Look how cool that looks. That's how people used to write things down, man.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:28Joe Rogan?

  Can AI like find, there's gotta be some of these, like I know there's one from Easter Island that they can't decipher. Have you ever seen that one?

• 1:15:37Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:15:38Joe Rogan?

  Graham Hancock explained it. And what he said was essentially they, the island, it was a very small island. They got raided by slavers. And they took everyone except for like a hundred people. And the people that they took and enslaved, they were the ones who knew how to read this language and then this language is lost forever.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:54Joe Rogan?

  It's re, there's one piece of like wood where, yeah, that's it. Where it's written on, look how dope their language looks. Like zoom in on like, how crazy is that, man? Like, what are they saying? And we don't know, like, I wonder if they could throw that through AI. And get sort of an understanding of what these symbols were, but you'd have to have a base, like, that was the thing about the Rosetta Stone. The Rosetta Stone really helped people in Egypt because you're like, oh, this is how it's written in Greek and this is, okay, now we know what, what it's, it's said in multiple languages. Now we get an understanding of it. Yeah, but so the overall point being though is like. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace. If you're thinking about building a website,

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• 1:18:18Speaker 02

  In our time, if the internet disappears and we're gone, there's nothing from this time that's really being recorded. It'll just be lost.

• 1:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, all the hard drive stuff, gone.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, just be lost.

• 1:18:29Joe Rogan?

  We'll have to relearn things.

• 1:18:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but our time, the Americans, there'll just be some ancient thing that people might not know ever existed.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  It says about the, uh, it's called the Rong- Rongorongo. Rongorongo, a glyph-based script from Easter Island, remains undeciphered despite over a century of study. Imagine you're studying it for a century.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, your whole life. People's whole lives have been dedicated to this.

• 1:18:53Joe Rogan?

  No one knows exactly what it says, as all attempts to translate it fully have failed, and with scholars debating if it's true writing or proto-writing, as used as a memory aid. A memory aid.

• 1:19:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, lines alternate direction, often upside down. Oh, so that's so hard. Even the direction is ever-changing. You're not writing right to left. You're just kinda going wherever you want with it.

• 1:19:15Joe Rogan?

  What is the latest on the Voynich manuscripts? Has anybody thrown that through AI to try to see if it makes any sense? Do you know about that?

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, was it, were they found on a guy? Was that one of them?

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  No, it's some weird book. And the, the question is whether or not this book is just complete gibberish and nonsense, or whether it's some lost language.

• 1:19:34Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  And where, it's, it's really detailed, too.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Where was it found?

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  It's a good question. I don't remember. Um, published,

• 1:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Nabi cipher, is that what it's called?

• 1:19:45Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:19:46Joe Rogan?

  Um, published November 26, 2025, and Crypt- Cryptologia, by science journalist Michael Greshko, introduced the Nabi cipher, which uses 14th-century Italian playing cards and dice to encode Latin or Italian text into glyphs mimicking the Voynich manuscripts Voyniches. This cipher replicates key statistical features like glyph frequencies, word lengths, grammar rules suggesting a similar medieval method could have generated the original 15th-century text, although it does not decode it. Wow. Have you seen it? See, you can find images of it. It's freaky.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Where, where was it found? That's what I'm curious about.

• 1:20:28Joe Rogan?

  That's a really good question. Let's find that out now.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  The Voynich ninja. There's like groups dedicated to this.

• 1:20:32Joe Rogan?

  People are obsessed with it. I mean, they've been studying.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  This is a fun thing to be obsessed with.

• 1:20:36Joe Rogan?

  Um, just do me a favor and just, uh, go back to Perplexity and say, uh, how was it discovered?

• 1:20:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm curious.

• 1:20:46Joe Rogan?

  Because, uh, I feel like someone had it and someone bought it from someone.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  I thought, I could have been wrong. I thought it was found on a body.

• 1:20:56Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:20:56Speaker 02

  I could be wrong about that. I might be thinking of another thing.

• 1:20:58Joe Rogan?

  It was rediscovered in 1912 by Polish-American rare books dealer Wilfrid Voynich. Okay, he named it himself. What a clever guy.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  I like that. Fuck it. Something of mine survived.

• 1:21:08Joe Rogan?

  It's mine, bitch.

• 1:21:08Speaker 02

  They say you die, the second time you die is when someone says your name last, so we're just keeping him alive.

• 1:21:13Joe Rogan?

  He acquired it from the Jesuit College, uh, in Frascati, Italy, as a part of a batch of thirty manuscripts discreetly sold amidst the Jesuits' financial difficulties. How many of these motherfuckers in the Vatican are sitting on some shit that they don't have to sell?

• 1:21:30Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:31Joe Rogan?

  That would like change the world.

• 1:21:32Speaker 02

  Change the world, completely.

• 1:21:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Carbon dating places its creation around 1404 to 1438, likely in northern Italy. Emperor Rudolph II bought it in the late 1500s for 600 gold dukats. Possibly from John D., it later passed to Jacobus, how about this guy's name? Jacobus Horciky Depenex.

• 1:21:58Speaker 02

  Deep Eastern European stuff. That feels like...

• 1:21:59Joe Rogan?

  Depenex? But you can't even, the problem is like, there's some names like Ioana Janjeczek. If you saw the way it's written, there's no way you would pronounce it correctly.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  Any of those Eastern European names, it's like, how did you even get that?

• 1:22:12Joe Rogan?

  Stayed in Jesuit hands until 1912. He publicized the undeciphered codex now at Yale's Beineke, Beineke Library, sparking global interest despite failed decoding attempts. Um, pull up some images of it, so you can get, see what it looks like. It's real weird, man. It's real weird and it has detailed illustrations.

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  Of like plants and stuff?

• 1:22:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, here we go. Here's a little video. So you could see like how cool it looks when they're opening up the book. Anything that you're getting that's a book that's from the fucking fourteen hundreds, where twelve hundred? When is it from? Fifteen hundreds?

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  So fourteen hundreds, any book that you're getting from the fourteen hundreds is fucking wild as it is. Just imagine these fucking people living back then, writing this shit down with a feather. Just touching it with their bare hands, huh? Yeah, you have to. It's actually worse to do it with gloves. Really? Yeah, they found out the gloves, the, the, the rubber is more abrasive. Than your finger? The oils of your finger is actually more protective or something along those lines. Look how cool that looks though. And they don't know if that's a real language. That's what's nuts. You can't decode it. Hmm, this is, this is a good, this is a good YouTube rabbit hole. It's a good one. Yeah. It's an interesting one because people say it's a hoax, but the thing about it is if it's a hoax, it's like really well done.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  And very complex and like incredible amount of time dedicated to it. The faggot is still tripping up people now. It's like it's all time great hoax then. Sort of, but think about how many languages we've lost. Like we just talked about a hundred languages were lost. Somewhere around that in what is now considered Mexico. Now, you know, think about the rest of the world. Like here's another instance. Mobs of indigenous people in Australia, the Aborigines. Right. So they call themselves mobs and that, you know, instead of a tribe. Oh, right. And they have mobs that will live six, 10 kilometers away that speak a completely different language. And they're all over the place and they don't have these things written anywhere.

• 1:24:16Joe Rogan?

  So there's a bunch of their languages that are just spoken orally. And just disappear. And they will disappear. And we don't know how many languages there are. Like my friend Adam Green Tree, who, he used to own a mining company in Australia and he employed a lot of Aborigines. He knows a lot about the culture and he was like, dude, it's, it's the, it's the craziest history. Because a lot of it is not written down and there's a lot of horrible tragedy and genocide attached to it. There's a cave that you can go to where they gave these, this mob of Aborigines poison. And food on purpose, like a whole crew of them. And so there's like, just their bones are in this cave still to this day. He goes, dude, it's the darkest fucking thing you've ever seen in your life.

• 1:24:56Joe Rogan?

  You think about this family and their children, they're starving. And these people, these, you know, white people in Australia. Were essentially prisoners that England shipped over there.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:25:06Joe Rogan?

  Just gave them poison.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  And just, damn.

• 1:25:08Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:25:09Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:25:09Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  Damn, that's yeah.

• 1:25:11Joe Rogan?

  Damn. And they got, bro, they got some crazy rock art. You ever see the, the, the glyphs of like alien looking dudes and?

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:21Joe Rogan?

  Shit and like.

• 1:25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's like people with like rocket, that look like they're in rocket ships and spacesuits.

• 1:25:25Joe Rogan?

  What, what information, what stories, what is their version of the Bible that we missed?

• 1:25:30Speaker 02

  Well, it's.

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Because they never wrote it down.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's something to do with a large flood. That seems to be consistent.

• 1:25:35Joe Rogan?

  The hope he had that.

• 1:25:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, something to do with a large flood and something to do with some sort of either dragon or serpent type bad guy. Though, those are, those are the two main consistent things across most cultures. Some large flood event and some snake.

• 1:25:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's all. And I wonder what the snake in the Bible really looked like, cause i- in, in the Adam and Eve story, anytime you see a picture painted, painted of it, it's painted as a snake. But his, the snake's punishment was it lost its limbs. So this was a dragon.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  Right? Cause the snake, the, uh, the snake's punishment was it has to still live on the ground.

• 1:26:13Joe Rogan?

  But is that the snake's punishment forever? Is that like why God did that to the snakes, period?

• 1:26:18Speaker 02

  I think so. I think that's the whole, that.

• 1:26:21Joe Rogan?

  Right. But doesn't that just explain what a snake is, looks like rather than describe a dragon? Like, why doesn't it have limbs? God took away its limbs.

• 1:26:29Speaker 02

  Hmm, okay, I see what you're saying. It's maybe it's, maybe it's reversed.

• 1:26:32Joe Rogan?

  It seems like it's reversed.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Maybe I just really wanted to be a dragon.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems like, how come they don't get to have legs?

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:38Joe Rogan?

  How come you don't get to have wings, bitch?

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  You know, because if you really think about it, like, there are so many different stories. This is why, like, you know, The View, like, that's that famous Joy Behar clip where she said, "He believes in dragons." Great clip. Yeah, it's awesome. It comes out of a conversation that I had with Forrest Galant, who's a wildlife biologist, who's like, "There's a lot of depictions of these flying serpents and large serpents with wings all over the world. It's weird." Right. It is really weird. Yeah, it's like a thing. It's really weird. And we know some dinosaurs flew. Hmm, so there might have been some, do you think there's some sort of cross? Well, here's the thing. The Congo has had a legend of some sort of a large dinosaur-like

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  creature forever, to the point where explorers have made their way into the Congo to try to find this thing. Okay. That resembles, I think it resembles a brontosaurus. That could fly? No, no, no. Okay, okay. That was in the jungle. Like, so the question is, is it possible that a creature could live for an extended period of time and then, you know, maybe in the 1100s or a thousand years ago, or whatever, 2,000 years ago, they slaughtered them all and killed them off. Like, maybe, maybe they have a long gestation period, like an elephant. You know, maybe. Maybe it's possible they realized these things were a threat, they knew where they'd end up, there was a small population anywhere, and they killed them off. Right. Maybe. Maybe. It's not likely. There's no bones, there's no, nothing, but there's

• 1:28:11Joe Rogan?

  no bones of most things. That's the thing. Right, yeah. Most things that die do not leave a fossil. Yeah. And then they find things that they thought were extinct. Not just extinct, but extinct for millions and millions of years. One of them is the coelacanth. You know about the coelacanth? No. So the coelacanth is this crazy-looking dinosaur fish that is unchanged from, God, I want to say... Tens of millions of years. I don't know how old, but when you look at it, you're like, yo, look at that thing. And then they caught one once.

• 1:28:44Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  They caught it. Like, I don't know, was it fishing net or a fishing boat? But they caught one. And then they realized, like, oh my god, these things are still alive. Like, we thought this was a part of the fossil record.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:28:55Joe Rogan?

  And then they realized that there's parts of the ocean that we just haven't explored, and these things, and then they've caught a bunch of them since. And then other fishermen have caught them, but it's a very deep, deep sea creature that is really ancient.

• 1:29:08Speaker 02

  And they found, they...

• 1:29:09Joe Rogan?

  How old is the coelacanth? Like, how long has it been around for?

• 1:29:15Speaker 02

  Man, that's so...

• 1:29:16Joe Rogan?

  I hope I'm saying the word right.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  That's so wild to not find one for years, and then all of a sudden you just find a bunch.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, they found a few. Well, now that they know they exist, they're looking in that area, and then they're fishing in that area, and they caught them. But can you show me an image of the coelacanth?

• 1:29:29Speaker 02

  Hmm. Oh, I think there's a YouTube channel that I think you'd really like, called like, I think it's called, like, it's a, it just goes and looks through what the earth looked like in every, like, in different eras.

• 1:29:43Joe Rogan?

  So that's that freaky fish.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I've seen this.

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  It's armored. It's got like these crazy scales on it. It just, it looks like a throwback.

• 1:29:53Joe Rogan?

  Um, so three, hold up, go up. Relatives being the first left seas, three hundred and eighty-five, okay.

• 1:30:02Joe Rogan?

  So they're not our direct ancestors, but they're still relatives of beings that first left the seas. They left the sea three hundred and eighty-five million years ago and became four-legged terrestrial animals.

• 1:30:12Speaker 02

  Damn, and this is like, this is like a common link?

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  So what they're saying is, there's creatures that left, so something like that left the sea three hundred and eighty-five million years ago and became four-legged terrestrial animals from which we sprung. And these relatives are still alive today. So how long has the coelacanth been around?

• 1:30:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh, so it says-

• 1:30:35Speaker 02

  Weighed 188 pounds, so they caught one in 38.

• 1:30:37Joe Rogan?

  In 1938, floating off the South African coast, the Indian Ocean, fishermen from the urban caught an unknown creature. Weighed 188 pounds, five feet in length, dark blue in color, and unabashedly chomped its jaws. This was not a fish, not just any fish, that scales, fins, and limbs, or more precisely rudiments thereof. Moreover, there were seven of them, two in the back, three on the belly, and another pair on the head. They had limbs on their head? Whoa.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 1:31:09Joe Rogan?

  Should be known, the local population occasionally caught these creatures, and had even come up with a name for them: Gombessa, which can be translated as bitter fish.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  Love that. Just eat it first, find out later.

• 1:31:19Joe Rogan?

  The residents knew that it was nearly inedible. It was consumed due to the belief that its meat helped to cope with malaria symptoms. Yo. Although it was possible to make something like sandpaper from their extremely strong and bristly scales. So when did they think, when, look at what it looked like. That's crazy.

• 1:31:37Speaker 02

  That's, that's wild.

• 1:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Though that thing-

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  That looks scary. It looks like a monster.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  With all those weird appendages-

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:31:44Joe Rogan?

  Eventually made its way onto the shore.

• 1:31:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:48Joe Rogan?

  Nuts, man. So, how long ago was that? Like, how long did they think that thing had been extinct for?

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  Uh, you'd have to look that up. Yeah.

• 1:31:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just put up, put into perplexity, the, uh, history of the coelacanth.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Okay, here we go. How old is this motherfucker?

• 1:32:14Speaker 02

  420 million years.

• 1:32:17Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:32:18Speaker 02

  Rediscovered. Damn, bro. That's, that's wild.

• 1:32:21Joe Rogan?

  Wow. They thought it had been extinct for 66 million years.

• 1:32:26Speaker 02

  And it was just living.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  Dude, to live that long, that's pretty, that's pretty crazy.

• 1:32:31Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:32:34Joe Rogan?

  That's incredible.

• 1:32:35Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32:36Joe Rogan?

  So, this thing that was alive 400 million years ago is still alive today. They thought it was extinct for 68 million years. Is it possible that there's something else like that that's on land? Like, less likely, I think. I think ocean is more likely.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Well, it's more undiscovered, right?

• 1:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, it's also like more protective of environmental change, right? So, it's probably less dependent on all the, like especially if you're a sea predator, you're probably less dependent on, you know, all the plants growing and nuclear winter that's happening on the fucking surface.

• 1:33:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:33:10Joe Rogan?

  Where everything dies off and the ice age comes and it's fucking meteor dust everywhere.

• 1:33:15Speaker 02

  Right, you can survive, you can survive a lot of stuff like climate change, you're not worried about that, really.

• 1:33:19Joe Rogan?

  Probably you are, but it's probably something, more things would probably survive in the ocean, I would imagine.

• 1:33:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, that makes more sense.

• 1:33:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, how, how old are alligators and crocodiles?

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Aren't they like, aren't like, aren't like sharks older than trees or something like that?

• 1:33:33Joe Rogan?

  Older than trees.

• 1:33:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Older than trees.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  Such a mindfuck to think about.

• 1:33:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's something could be older than trees.

• 1:33:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and they still are essentially in the same form.

• 1:33:43Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:33:44Joe Rogan?

  Just fucking swimming, eating machines.

• 1:33:46Speaker 02

  Apex predators forever.

• 1:33:48Joe Rogan?

  You hear about that lady off Santa Cruz that got got the other day?

• 1:33:50Speaker 02

  No, but I, have you read that book about the, I read that book about the shark attacks in 1916?

• 1:33:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, in New Jersey?

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, Close and Short, where it's like, oh damn, like.

• 1:33:58Joe Rogan?

  It's in a river.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it went, it went in a freshwater river.

• 1:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:01Speaker 02

  But they also didn't think sharks were dangerous at that time. Like, that was in that time, they were like, there were people like, oh, sharks, they're just like sea puppies, they'll, they'll leave you alone. That was the thought, part of the reason why that stuck out to people were like, oh, sharks are like dangerous creatures.

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  Especially bull sharks, because bull sharks are the ones that can swim all the way up to, like, they, they made their way to Illinois.

• 1:34:24Speaker 02

  That, oh, yeah, and they're just as, they're more aggressive than the great whites, right?

• 1:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they're hyper-aggressive, but they make their way all the way up freshwater rivers, all the way up, into like cold environments. Fucking Illinois had bull sharks in freshwater.

• 1:34:37Speaker 02

  Just, a freshwater shark is just, how bad luck do you, how much of a bad luck do you have to be in a river and get attacked by a shark? It was your time to go.

• 1:34:47Joe Rogan?

  You got your legs dangling out of an inner tube?

• 1:34:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:51Speaker 02

  Just chopped up.

• 1:34:52Joe Rogan?

  And then all of a sudden you feel this sharp pain and you see red in the water and you realize your leg's gone.

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it takes you a second to realize your leg is gone too, because it's so sharp and so, yeah.

• 1:34:59Joe Rogan?

  It slices through and you don't expect it.

• 1:35:01Speaker 02

  Jeez, yeah. Well, yeah, we were not expecting a shark in the lake.

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  And you look down, you see the white of your kneecap. Everything underneath it is just torn tissue and fuck.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they didn't think it was dangerous at the time like that.

• 1:35:15Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy?

• 1:35:15Speaker 02

  That's so wild. It's so wild, all the way up until 1916. In fact, some people thought sharks were just something that sailors made up.

• 1:35:21Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:35:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, just like, oh, this giant sea creature that'll eat you? They don't know what they're talking, or like, this is just a sea myth.

• 1:35:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also when you think about it, when people came to America, because there's no sharks in England, there's no sharks in Ireland, right? They don't have a problem over there. So when they came to America, there was only, like, we're talking about this shark attack was in the early 1900s?

• 1:35:43Speaker 02

  Yes, 1916.

• 1:35:44Joe Rogan?

  So think about that. There's only like a couple hundred years of people even being here.

• 1:35:48Speaker 02

  Right. And-

• 1:35:49Joe Rogan?

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• 1:37:42Speaker 02

  That year was like a perfect storm of like the beach became like an acceptable thing to go lounge at. Before that, it wasn't a thing.

• 1:37:51Speaker 04

  They even tried to twist it to say that it was trying to attack the dog, not the person. The person is in the way.

• 1:37:56Speaker 02

  No. Yeah, hates dogs. What? It does lay out certain things like if you are swimming with a dog, you're more likely to get attacked by a shark.

• 1:38:05Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  And it's like something like a full moon, like the moon really regulates sharks' emotions. So like more shark attacks happen on full moons and stuff. There's certain things, yeah. Apparently having the dog, they never attack the dog.

• 1:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:38:18Speaker 02

  But the dog attracts the, something about how they swim attacks the shark.

• 1:38:21Joe Rogan?

  Dogs don't get killed by sharks?

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Not, they will attack the person.

• 1:38:25Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:38:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:38:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:38:27Speaker 02

  The book lays it out. There is something, there is like a, like a coordinate, like there are a bunch of different factors that sort of apply to that.

• 1:38:36Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:38:39Joe Rogan?

  I don't think there's anything alive right now that is, you know, dinosaur-like. But I wonder how long they stuck around for? How long some of them stayed?

• 1:38:50Speaker 02

  Just the last vest this is.

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  If crocodiles and alligators didn't exist, like let's just imagine crocodiles didn't exist, the big ones, the Nile crocodiles. Let's imagine, no one thought there was a crocodile. It's nonsense. And then one day someone got a video of one in the Congo, you'd be like, no. Dinosaurs are real.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  That's a dinosaur.

• 1:39:10Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:39:11Joe Rogan?

  That is a straight up dinosaur.

• 1:39:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a giant lizard. That is technically what's left.

• 1:39:16Joe Rogan?

  This dude Josh Bomar, he's a bow hunter and he just killed a world record crocodile. And I think it was in Tanzania. I think, actually, I think he might have did it like two years ago. This thing is so big. It's, I think it's like seventeen feet long. And it's probably over a hundred years old. He killed it with a bow. Look at the size of that thing.

• 1:39:38Speaker 02

  Good god.

• 1:39:39Joe Rogan?

  Now, imagine if that thing didn't exist. If no one thought that that thing existed.

• 1:39:45Speaker 02

  And then you saw that.

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  And then you saw that.

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  You'd be like, yeah, that's a, yeah, you'd be like, that's a monster that I saw.

• 1:39:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, look at the size of that thing, man. Like, if nobody went to Tanzania ever. If it was just a place that no one went to. And then people went there and they saw that, they're like, oh my god, dinosaurs are still alive.

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:40:02Joe Rogan?

  Because that's a fucking dinosaur.

• 1:40:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:04Joe Rogan?

  Period. Full stop.

• 1:40:06Speaker 02

  You would, yeah, you'd be absolutely afraid of that.

• 1:40:08Joe Rogan?

  You can call it a crocodile, whatever. It's a species of dinosaurs that made it. It's still here. Like, when did crocodiles first evolve?

• 1:40:16Speaker 04

  Eighty-three to ninety-five million years ago, late Cretaceous.

• 1:40:20Speaker 02

  Younger than the coelacanth.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:21Speaker 04

  Up to two-hundred-and-fifty million years ago.

• 1:40:23Speaker 02

  Still younger than the coelacanth. By a hundred million years.

• 1:40:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's probably the ancestor that came to shore and started eating shit.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if everything came out of the ocean, allegedly.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Ooh, okay, there is something, so, there's something that I do, it's like a gratefulness thing that I do. Every, because it's like, this is like a big moment for me in my career. I just released the special, I'm, I'm walking away from, I'm like, not working social media at the club anymore. I'm like, making steps out. So this is a YouTube video that I watch. Every, every time something like sort of big happens to me. Or like I'm at a crossroads and it's, have you ever seen this? It's, uh, Mr. Rogers Emmy acceptance speech, have you seen this?

• 1:40:59Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:40:59Speaker 02

  Okay, can we pull that up, Jamie? And it's like a three-minute video, but like, genuinely, because I'm, because I'm gonna do it too. I want you to do what he says.

• 1:41:08Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's just a quick little thing.

• 1:41:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I'm, I'm, yeah, yeah.

• 1:41:14Joe Rogan?

  Let's see it.

• 1:41:30Speaker 00

  For giving generation upon generation of children confidence in themselves, for being their friend, for telling them again and again and again that they are special and that they have worth. It is my honor, on behalf of everyone here, and on behalf of the millions of children whose mornings you have brightened with your kindness, to present you with this lifetime achievement award.

• 1:42:13Speaker 05

  Oh, it's a beautiful night in this neighborhood.

• 1:42:19Speaker 05

  So many people have helped me to come to this night. Some of you are here, some are far away, some are even in heaven. All of us have special ones who have loved us into being. Would you just take, along with me, 10 seconds to think of the people who have helped you become who you are? Those who have cared about you and wanted what was best for you in life. 10 seconds of silence. I'll watch the time.

• 1:43:13Speaker 05

  Whomever you've been thinking about, how pleased they must be to know the difference you feel they've made. You know, they're the kind of people television does well to offer our world. Special thanks to my family and friends, and to my coworkers in public broadcasting, family communications, and this academy for encouraging me, allowing me all these years to be your neighbor. May God be with you. Thank you very much.

• 1:43:53Joe Rogan?

  He seemed like the real deal.

• 1:43:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad nothing ever came out about him.

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, for real, right? He wasn't like a Jimmy Savile.

• 1:44:00Joe Rogan?

  I just, I'm happy he was the real deal.

• 1:44:02Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:02Joe Rogan?

  He really does seem like he is.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Who'd you think about?

• 1:44:05Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do I want to say it publicly?

• 1:44:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, if you don't have to.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, you know, family.

• 1:44:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:11Joe Rogan?

  Personal people, you know? But I, you know, we, you and I in particular are very fortunate. We have a lot of people that help us be who we are.

• 1:44:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  You know, and that is like the one thing that I think we really highlight at, at the club is that we really are all happy, we really are all lucky, and we, we really enjoy our time together.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:35Joe Rogan?

  And we feed off of each other.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  I, I'm, I'm so happy too, like, the, the way, the, I, I would say the scene is like incredibly, incredibly supportive of each other, in a way that like, it's nice, I guess, in this sort of new system that we live in too, where like, you can just make it on your own, like, you don't need, like, I'm not auditioning for a spot that like Fuzzy's auditioning for because we're both brown.

• 1:44:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:56Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  Like in the old days.

• 1:44:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no, there's no reason, there's no reason for me to be like, damn, I hope he doesn't get this.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  You know, there's like, it's a system of like, oh dude, we can all just create and then help each other.

• 1:45:08Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:45:08Speaker 02

  Like piggyback off each other and like, that's, it's like such a refreshing experience to have.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  It really is, the rising tide lifts all boats, and that's how it should be.

• 1:45:17Speaker 02

  And it happens everywhere too, because like, you know, obviously, you're at the mothership and you see how hard the door guys there crush, but like, I'll go to Sunset, and Sunset has some fucking killers as door guys now, especially because like, they came up in this experience where Sunset, you know, famously, the ceilings are high and like, the, the room can be cavernous, can feel cavernous when it's like, tight.

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:38Speaker 02

  And so they come up in a harsher, like, mothership, the rooms are set up for comedy.

• 1:45:42Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:45:43Speaker 02

  Sunset, it never happened that way.

• 1:45:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 1:45:46Speaker 02

  The guy, the guy died before he could make it what he wanted to make it, and Redman came in and just sort of saved it so he can open, at the very least. So it's like, they come up in these harsh situations and like, there's this one, there's this one kid at Sunset, his name is, well, kid is very funny to say, he's the grown man, but, uh, Mumford Davis, he closes every single, uh...

• 1:46:06Speaker 02

  Death Squad, which is like 18 hours long. So he closes every single one, goes up in front of a tired, beat audience. And now he's just an absolute monster.

• 1:46:19Joe Rogan?

  Running with ankle weights on.

• 1:46:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, he's running with the biggest ankle weights on. To go at the end of that, in that room, they're tired, they've been there forever.

• 1:46:26Joe Rogan?

  But you think about it, like, that's how Kinnison came up. Kinnison was the, they, that was the Kinnison spot, was the last spot at the OR. You know, and then, think about his style, that screaming, yelling, in your face, that's designed to shock an audience back to life.

• 1:46:41Speaker 02

  Right, just trying to keep it going.

• 1:46:43Joe Rogan?

  That's Brody, that's Don Barris, that's Brian Holtzman. Like, those guys that developed that act, that could just jolt you out of your complacency. It's kind of by necessity.

• 1:46:55Speaker 02

  Right, how to just, like, keep, keeping someone's attention.

• 1:46:57Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:46:58Speaker 02

  Like, bringing it back is just so, it's so impressive. That's what I miss about the comedy stories. I left before I got passed, so I never got those, like, late night OR spots. Those one in the morning, six people just survived. I mean, some of my best sets, favorite sets I've seen people have are in those spots. Where you're like, damn, you really made this work.

• 1:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, sometimes, like, reality shines through. Like, they have a real moment on stage where the comedy is just like, people are like, oh shit. Like, I remember Laura Bytes had a set one time, and I even posted it. Me and Burt Kreischer sat in the back of the room. And she crushed so hard, in front of, there was only like 25 people in the room. And by the time she was offstage, there was 50 people in the room. Cause people were coming in from other places to come and watch her set.

• 1:47:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, when you hear that noise, you're like, okay, what's going on here?

• 1:47:45Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, she was just on fire. She was killing.

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, I, I, those spots are nice, cause it's like, you know, your jokes, and certainly you have to work your jokes to get to a certain point where like, my jokes are funny enough to showcase and work at the club. And now that I'm at this level, I got the jokes, now can I be funny?

• 1:48:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  You know, beyond like what my written, can I be just funny, me as a person? That's, you can kind of really hone that in those sort of late night. Tough rooms.

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta do those.

• 1:48:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, and that's why, you know, the store, at the end of the day, even through hard and like, good times and tough times at the store, that's the reason why they always create monsters.

• 1:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:22Speaker 02

  The store creates monsters.

• 1:48:23Joe Rogan?

  And Mitzi knew what she was doing.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:25Joe Rogan?

  You know, she had a method to her madness, and she tweaked it and got it to the perfect form. We essentially use a similar form here.

• 1:48:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's kind of like the method to make comedy happen.

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:37Speaker 02

  It's like, just put people in like, these tough spots, over and over again. Can you follow monsters?

• 1:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Can you follow monsters? That's, the best part about being at the ship is like, I've had to follow like, Theo and Shane and be like, damn, I just gotta do this.

• 1:48:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:55Speaker 02

  And then, and then, and then, you have to follow like, the emerging stars too, cause then they have a whole separate energy to them. Like, I remember following both Cam and James McCann after they both started like, popping and being like, whoa. Just watching the energy around them shift.

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like crazy.

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Lost McCann to Australia.

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  He'll be back. He's gotta be back.

• 1:49:16Speaker 02

  He'll be back.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  I can't believe they had to go back.

• 1:49:19Speaker 02

  So funny, though.

• 1:49:21Joe Rogan?

  He's the best.

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  So.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  He's one of my favorite guys out there, cause he's got such a unique, like, it's his perspective. It's like, you don't expect it, it's coming out of him, if you think the way he does, you get it.

• 1:49:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  But if he does, it's really smart, really funny.

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  High energy, too?

• 1:49:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, uh, cause usually the hyper-intelligent go low-energy. It's very rare that a hyper-intelligent person, like, who's intelligent on stage on purpose, like that, like he is, goes high-energy.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  That's, uh, that's what makes him unique to me, too. It's cause when they're, when, usually when comics are being smart on stage, and I'll do this too, they go soft. They go, "Look at me, think."

• 1:50:02Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. McCann's like, "I have the energy of, I'm in a bar yelling at you, but it's about Kyrgyzstan." You know, it's like.

• 1:50:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're lucky, dude.

• 1:50:16Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, the, the, I, the scene is thriving.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's so many places to go. That's why I did mine at Black Rabbit. Just a small little black box room that's been like, I've had sets there and it's like 10 people and they're amazing.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they're just, they're just there for comedy. A lot of them are like, they tend to be like, these sort of just out of college kids, who can't really afford to go to like any of the clubs. They're just, they just have money for the first time. We're like, oh, we can go to this little spot. Like $10 tickets, just get introduced to comedy.

• 1:50:47Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:50:48Speaker 02

  So it's a bit of a younger audience there.

• 1:50:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's just, how many spots are just on our street?

• 1:50:53Speaker 02

  On our street? I mean, like, there's.

• 1:50:55Joe Rogan?

  Within our street, like within close, like.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  That you can walk to?

• 1:50:58Joe Rogan?

  Cap City, cause it's like one block over.

• 1:51:00Speaker 02

  Uh, uh.

• 1:51:02Joe Rogan?

  Not Cap City, I'm sorry, um.

• 1:51:03Speaker 02

  Vulcan.

• 1:51:04Joe Rogan?

  No, um.

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  And Sunset.

• 1:51:05Joe Rogan?

  Creek, Creek in the Cave.

• 1:51:06Speaker 02

  Creek.

• 1:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Creek in the Cave's one over.

• 1:51:08Speaker 02

  In that area, you have Vulcan, uh, Sunset, Creek, um, Velveeta, and then Bulls. These are bars that run at least, run comedy at least three to four times a week is Bulls. Um, oh fuck, I'm forgetting, I'm forgetting, uh, one of the places, it's, I'm blanking on it now, but Bulls, Black Rabbit. Um, if you wanna count Roscoe's in East Austin, they're a little bit down the road, but they're still kinda in the downtown area. So it's nine right there. Nar Bar, that's the one I was thinking about, that's 10. Shakespeare's runs it a bunch and Maggie Mays runs it, I think, three times a week. So there's at least 12, pretty much dedicated comedy rooms, and that's not including mics.

• 1:51:49Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 1:51:50Speaker 02

  That's not including mics, just in the area.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  When you say mics, for people who don't know, you mean open mics?

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, just open mics.

• 1:51:55Joe Rogan?

  You're talking about booked clubs or professional comedians?

• 1:51:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, these are shows with people, and like, there's, some of them are rough bar shows, but they're shows and they're booked. Yeah, and there's it's you can get on, you can, there's so many ways to come up. Oh, you can walk. You can walk. I've I've had nights where I've had five sets and none of them were at the mothership. I'm just, you're just out and about. Yeah, it is, it is so, and it's just different people getting up in different places. It's each, each of the, each different place has their own ecosystem of comics who, you know, because you, you go, you go where it gives you, what gives you time. Right. That's where you always, that's the right way to go, no matter what. Yeah. Just whatever is feeding you, go, that's where you go.

• 1:52:38Speaker 02

  So there's different ecosystems in each places and it's, it's really, it's really fun and you just get to see people like, man, just figure it out. And it's, and it's fun to watch and they'll figure it out in the podcast and they'll figure it out on the comedy end and it'll all sort of works together. It's gotta be extra dope for you too, because you were an early settler. Man, I got, I feel like I got to the gold rush in forty-eight.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  I feel like, because, because when I got here, there was only three, it was me, Hans, Kim and Derek and Dylan. Dylan was eight years in, but those were the only four of us that were like, not famous headliners, that weren't new comics, basically. Right. So we got to just do so many shows, because the, there was no middle class. It was all, it was, it was like California, it was all upper class and all like lower class. It was very, that, now, now it's robust. Now there's just a bunch of killers that are like, just moving here all the time. There's this guy Nick Murphy moved from Atlanta. What year did you move here? Uh, two thousand twenty-one. Wow, okay.

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  I moved here early. I got on a Zoom, I got on a, with Dylan Sullivan, we, I used to play this, uh, I used to play, we used to play game nights in the pandemic online with our friends, because we weren't allowed out, right? And so he pulled me aside one day on Discord and was like, you gotta move here, and he made the pitch. And then I was like, I was pretty much there, and then Derek moved here and he was like, you gotta. And this was just when we were doing Shows of the Vulcan? This is just Shows of the Vulcan. This was just, but it was indoor shows, man. Yeah. And so I, I moved here and then I was like, because the, the way I looked at it was, like, look, either I'm gonna...

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  Like LA is gonna reopen and I'll be working at the Comedy Store again and I'll, we'll have at least gotten up in that time. And gotten paid. To go up, cuz they, they paid, they paid for every spot here.

• 1:54:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:26Speaker 02

  If you're booked, so it's like, at least got paid. And so I was like, and then I'll go back to LA.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  A little glitch, but, so, so when you came here, it was just like, look, I'll get some spots, I'll get paid, and if the Comedy Store reopens, I'll go back.

• 1:54:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'll go back and, or, the club was still two week, two years away from opening, but it's like, I'll, I'll stick it out to the club and see what happens.

• 1:54:46Joe Rogan?

  We weren't just starting to talk about club back then.

• 1:54:49Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, you, you would put it on the universe and that was enough for me to be like, I think he's gonna get that done. And so I took a chance and it, and it ended up working and then I ended up being one of the first people like passed through there, which, and it was a huge, huge blessing, cuz now, there's so many killers that it's like hard to get into the mothership.

• 1:55:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:08Speaker 02

  There's so many like people who've moved, it's like, it's, I, I almost tell people like it's a major city like in that way, in the sense of like, if you can, get good where you are first, and then move to Austin, that might be better now than a blind move to Austin.

• 1:55:23Joe Rogan?

  Right, as an opener.

• 1:55:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:24Joe Rogan?

  As a beginner.

• 1:55:25Speaker 02

  As a beginner.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's hard as a beginner.

• 1:55:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:28Joe Rogan?

  It's like LA was for a while.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Oh, LA, LA is super tough, I imagine New York is super tough as well.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  The store was really tough, if you wanted to go from open mic to actual spots, like, bro, you gotta do spots somewhere else.

• 1:55:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:55:39Joe Rogan?

  You really should be better, you're better off coming there with potential, like you've already gotten a few years under your belt.

• 1:55:45Speaker 02

  Than like trying to figure it out and, cuz the LA mics are especially brutal.

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, man, if you guys didn't come, it wouldn't have worked. Like, that was the thing, it's like, the people that really are responsible for the movement, the, the crazy new scene here, are the ones who came before the club was open.

• 1:56:01Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:56:01Joe Rogan?

  Brian Simpson, Tom Segura, Segura was here early, man.

• 1:56:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  I told him about it, he's like, I'm fucking moving.

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:56:09Joe Rogan?

  And then bam, I was like, whoa, and when Tom moved, I was like, that's a big deal. You know, cuz Tom was already doing arenas.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, it required a certain amount of people to buy in.

• 1:56:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  And, and that, I, I, you know, I'm very, because of that, I'm very pro Austin of, cuz like, man, if you buy in, look what can happen. Like.

• 1:56:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:26Speaker 02

  There's the stuff you can do.

• 1:56:27Joe Rogan?

  No one should not be pro Austin.

• 1:56:29Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:56:30Joe Rogan?

  It's funny because Louis and Tony were going back and forth and arguing, like Louis shits on the Austin scene.

• 1:56:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:56:36Joe Rogan?

  They, this New York versus Austin thing is the stupidest fucking thing of all time. Like, they should both be awesome, who cares?

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's unnecessary, it's unnecessary like infight, it's like catty girl fighting, it's like why, we both clearly can exist in a space where we can also help each other. The New York guys are always here and we're, I feel like we're always there.

• 1:56:54Joe Rogan?

  But the point is, what, what, Tony and Louis were going back and forth and Louis said, well, LA isn't even in consideration anymore as what's the best place for comedy in the country. And, and Tony goes, agreed. And why do you think that is? What do you think happened? Where'd those people go? And Louis is like, oh shit.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  But you know, it's, it, I, I will say this, because I was just in LA, I like, I like where the LA scene's at, it's rebuilding stronger.

• 1:57:25Joe Rogan?

  Of course it is.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  It's the store, it's LA, it's Hollywood, it goes, it goes through dips, it's done it before. When I got there was at a low. When I came in 94, the OR was half empty, main room's never full, it's, oh, and then there was no big talent there. It's always like that, it comes, it goes, new people come up, it's legendary. It's got a vibe to it, it creates comedy just by existing.

• 1:57:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, it's still, every time I'm there, I'm like, man, this is the fucking place.

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  It's the fucking place, man, it's been the place since 1970 something, I mean, it's, the place is crazy.

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, you could do, the building is alive in that place, that's crazy, yeah, you feel it.

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  It's soaked with the memories of Kennison and Hicks and Pryor and.

• 1:58:06Speaker 02

  Here's what's crazy, you know the bucket seats in the back?

• 1:58:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:08Speaker 02

  If you go during the day, they might have repainted the walls, so this is when I worked there, but when you go during the day, because I'd get there early and like right or whatever, and you can look where the bucket seats are, the outline of all the heads, because of all the oil of the people leaning back, was just there. So you were just there and it's just the energy of all these great comics just in the room with you.

• 1:58:30Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:58:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was, it was, it was an interesting place to like be during the day.

• 1:58:35Joe Rogan?

  Store is a very special place.

• 1:58:37Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:38Joe Rogan?

  Very special place. You're never gonna take away from that. But the thing is, it's like, it should be, and it will be, even better than it used to be, I'm sure.

• 1:58:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:58:45Joe Rogan?

  But the point is, it's like, denying that Austin is an amazing scene is just stupid.

• 1:58:50Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  It's just stupid.

• 1:58:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a-

• 1:58:52Joe Rogan?

  And also, don't you want another great scene? Do you want a limited amount of options for comedians? Don't you want more comics, more comedy?

• 1:59:01Speaker 02

  Right, and more places for you to end up performing?

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shut up.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  Like, now, yeah, now you can go to Austin and spend a couple of weeks there and get a lot of time and learn how to talk to people here.

• 1:59:11Joe Rogan?

  There's so many bitches in this world. So many bitches. And those bitches never get anything done. They just sit and bitch.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  (mumbling)

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  Nothing ever gets done.

• 1:59:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:59:23Joe Rogan?

  They never progress.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, man, just video essays. I like, I watch all the video essays, yeah.

• 1:59:29Joe Rogan?

  That's so funny. Why would you watch those?

• 1:59:31Speaker 02

  It's just so funny to me. Cause they all start, they all, the, the, the whole concept that Austin is ruined comedy is very funny to me. Because there's so many comics that are blowing up outside, everywhere, all the time.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  It's just silly.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  It's, yeah.

• 1:59:44Joe Rogan?

  It's like my friend said, it's a walled garden. That's what it is. It seems like the people are having too, too much fun. And if you're not there, and if you don't have aspirations to be there, you feel bad about it. When I lived in Boston, the store was like Mecca. Like, people would talk about it, you know, it's like, you had to make the pilgrimage to the Comedy Store. It was one of the first things I did when I came to LA.

• 2:00:02Speaker 02

  Oh, no, it's a big deal. The first time you go there, I remember looking at it being, just the feeling in my heart.

• 2:00:06Joe Rogan?

  The first time I went there, I hadn't even moved there yet.

• 2:00:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:00:09Joe Rogan?

  I went there just to watch. I told them I was a comedian from New York. I'm like, can I go and watch a set? They're like, yeah, sure. And they, they let me come in, and I sat in the back and watched, and it was like, boat acts. It was terrible. It was really bad. It was like a bunch of cruise ship acts, like a bunch of guys who had the same act from the 1970s, they had never- You know those dudes that, like, you'll see them at the store occasionally now that have an act from the 80s? Well, these dudes, it was like a decade earlier.

• 2:00:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, when, when I worked at La Jolla, there was one guy that they booked, that they had like some, some deal with Mitzi, that he got to perform once a year at the La Jolla. And man, you could just tell, man, it's been, you haven't changed this act since the 70s.

• 2:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they just never evolved. And, you know, and they weren't getting spots when Kinison was around. The place was packed.

• 2:00:52Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:00:53Joe Rogan?

  And then Kinison left, and then he had a billboard, he put a billboard right in front of the, the Comedy Store, of his new album that was coming out, like-

• 2:01:01Speaker 02

  Why did he leave the store?

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I don't know. He probably did something stupid.

• 2:01:04Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:01:05Joe Rogan?

  I think he definitely fired off a gun. Cause remember he shot the.

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  The bullet hole is still there.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  I heard they fixed the, the sign though.

• 2:01:13Speaker 02

  No, uh, it's bad.

• 2:01:13Joe Rogan?

  They fixed the plastic.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  I, yeah, they might've. I think that the plastic was falling apart, but they kept the bullet hole, cause the bullet hole's still there.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 2:01:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I went, I went and looked, I made sure.

• 2:01:22Joe Rogan?

  Pretty crazy.

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  The Kidson bullet hole is like, part of the thing there. Yeah.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  But the cracked glass was also part of the thing.

• 2:01:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think eventually it just fell apart. It's been like forty years since that happened.

• 2:01:33Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that might've been what got him banned. Not sure.

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:37Joe Rogan?

  But then he was banned and then, uh, when I came, it was ninety-four, so he was already dead. He was dead and Hicks was dead.

• 2:01:43Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:01:43Joe Rogan?

  So it was weird.

• 2:01:45Speaker 02

  Okay, and so that, that's what the lull was, that's what the lull was from? They were just kinda missing that top level guy?

• 2:01:49Joe Rogan?

  There was a lull. And guys would occasionally drop in to work out, um, but they didn't put their name on the marquee. No one ever knew they were gonna be there. Like Chris Rock would come in and work out. Damon would come in and work out.

• 2:01:59Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:59Joe Rogan?

  But the big comics that were there, like Don Marrero would stop in. There was guys that would stop in. But then it was mostly us younger guys. Holtzman was a, a big part back then.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  I can't imagine Holtzman as a young guy.

• 2:02:10Joe Rogan?

  I mean, me and him, we're only a few ages, a few years different.

• 2:02:14Speaker 02

  It feels like he's just looked like that since he was a kid.

• 2:02:16Joe Rogan?

  He was a throwback. He looked like he was from the nineteen fifties, when I met him in ninety-four.

• 2:02:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:21Joe Rogan?

  Like slicked back, dark hair.

• 2:02:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:02:24Joe Rogan?

  Always the best, always a nice guy.

• 2:02:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh my god, he's the sweetest guy in the world. And there's something about, guys who are like that on stage are always super sweet offstage. Oh, cause they like truly get all the venom out. It's like William Montgomery, if you watch William Montgomery on stage, he's a raving lunatic.

• 2:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  Look at that picture.

• 2:02:42Speaker 02

  Oh wow.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Look at Holtzman to the right with a suit on.

• 2:02:45Speaker 02

  Oh my god, and a Polly. Who's next to you?

• 2:02:47Joe Rogan?

  Freddie Soto.

• 2:02:48Speaker 02

  That's Freddie Soto, damn.

• 2:02:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Boy, that was probably like ninety-six?

• 2:02:55Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:02:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, Brian does look the exact same.

• 2:03:00Joe Rogan?

  He looks the exact same. He had jet black hair and, uh, he would.

• 2:03:06Speaker 02

  You know what he kinda looks like?

• 2:03:07Joe Rogan?

  There's, that's his headshot.

• 2:03:08Speaker 02

  There's this guy on Instagram where his whole, his whole thing is it just, he pretends to be a greaser.

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh really?

• 2:03:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like unironically, and that's kinda what he looks like. But his, it's really funny, cause all his, all his comments are just like, yo, show us that hog. Like that's, that's become the, so he does like greaser shit and then all the comments are like, but how come, where's the hog reveal?

• 2:03:31Joe Rogan?

  Why is hog?

• 2:03:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's become like, he's so unironically trying to be a greaser that the, that the comments came up with their own sort of culture around him.

• 2:03:40Joe Rogan?

  So it's comedy accidentally.

• 2:03:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're kind of mocking, they're all kind of making fun of him. But he's genuinely trying to portray this guy as, this greaser guy. It's like Mike the Greaser or something like that. It's so funny.

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Well, Holtzman was just, I thought he was gonna blow up, man. I really did. I was like, oh, this guy's gonna be fucking huge. My, this guy, this guy's gonna be gigantic. There was a few guys back then that I was like, that guy's gonna be big. You never, did you ever see Mike Ricker?

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  The early 90s, Mike Ricker was great, man. I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened with him.

• 2:04:13Speaker 02

  It's so.

• 2:04:13Joe Rogan?

  I don't even know if he does comedy anymore.

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so, like, it's so easy, people fall off all the, like, it's like, cause it is brutal. The game is brutal.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  It can be.

• 2:04:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but you have to have something brutal outside of the game to keep you centered. You should do something else that's also difficult. For me, it's obviously working out, that's a big part of what keeps me sane. I think it's important for mental health. The people that are the most mentally unhealthy and unstable that I know all have no control of their body. None of them exercise, they don't eat well, they eat terrible food, they take medications, and they're all fucked up in the head. And then little things can send them off a deep end. Once a person makes a mean tweet about them and a couple of people pile on, they wanna jump off a building.

• 2:04:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:04:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's a bunch of those people out there, and I think, like, with the pressures of this job, you have to, for your own sanity, you have to find some sort of an outlet. Find some sort of a thing.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Or like, take a walk.

• 2:05:10Joe Rogan?

  That too.

• 2:05:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, it's so.

• 2:05:11Joe Rogan?

  That'll help, but it should be something that's a little bit, that you exert yourself.

• 2:05:16Speaker 02

  Well, that's like, I was like, that's a good place to start if you're one of these people that like, don't do like, just a simple walk can really get the ball rolling.

• 2:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Don't jump right into CrossFit.

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:05:26Joe Rogan?

  Nothing, couch, to CrossFit.

• 2:05:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, just be outside and like, smell the air and be, we're so, cause like, does your phone send you the screen time updates?

• 2:05:34Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean?

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  Like, so my phone will send me like a weekly, like this is how much you spend on your phone.

• 2:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:05:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, for me, it's like, damn, this is like a full-time job that I'm spending on my phone.

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot.

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  It's disgusting. And I have to just remind myself, like, oh, the reason I feel bad is because I'm on this.

• 2:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:05:50Speaker 02

  I'm on this and I'm consuming a fake reality. That like, I think one of the most dangerous things that the phone, like the online existence does is it calls like, people like call their fans and stuff a community and it's not really a community. Your community has to be people you see in person. It can't be this online, possibly fake, fan club, basically.

• 2:06:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, it can't, certainly can't be a large percentage of your interactions with people. That's nuts.

• 2:06:19Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:19Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, there is some sort of a community that you kind of cultivate by interacting with people on social media. It's just at what price?

• 2:06:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:28Joe Rogan?

  You know, and at what price, and then how much are you doom scrolling? Other than interacting with people and having like semi-positive experiences communicating with, like sharing ideas? How much of it is just doom scrolling?

• 2:06:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:06:39Joe Rogan?

  For me, it was a, it was a lot. And so I backed off it heavy. So I still spend a lot of time on YouTube, though. My distraction time is almost all YouTube.

• 2:06:49Speaker 02

  Hmm, no, my, I'm a doom scroller.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:06:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, because you get caught. You see one thing and you're like, it's so easy to just do that.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  It is, but I don't want that because it makes me feel weird. But YouTube doesn't make me feel weird. So if I watch some really cool video on, you know, ancient history or something, it's, I never feel bad at all. I'm like, oh, that was cool. Like, I don't, I don't, don't come out of it with any negative feeling. I just come out of it like, oh, that's interesting.

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  Hmm, I learned something. YouTube is like the modern television now.

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's fucking phenomenal.

• 2:07:19Speaker 02

  That's the one.

• 2:07:19Joe Rogan?

  Phenomenal.

• 2:07:20Speaker 02

  You can just find some, there's people making high-quality things. Sometimes I'll get caught up in things that I don't even care about.

• 2:07:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:27Speaker 02

  Like the, uh, I don't, I'm not like a huge horror movie fan. I like movies, but, but I found this one, one page called Nightmare Movies and he just explains his favorite horror movies and he has a like great voice and I've watched like all of his videos. Zero interest in watching any of the movies. I'm interested in watching him react to the movies.

• 2:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's really- dope on Youtube also is these little short horror movies that people make on their own. Like real, super low budget, but like really interesting ideas. There's a ton of them, man.

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  Some of them are fucking great. They're really cool. They're like eight minutes long.

• 2:07:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, two minutes long and they can just get you. Yeah.

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  There's so much entertainment. I like watching people make furniture for some reason.

• 2:08:07Joe Rogan?

  I really do. I love watching people make like live edge tables and shit and I don't know.

• 2:08:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just like, oh, this tickles me.

• 2:08:15Joe Rogan?

  I like watching people cook. I like, I watch a lot of cooking.

• 2:08:18Speaker 02

  Well, it's, it's so, it's so like you can, everyone's entertainment is so like in their own lane that you can come across a video and be like eight million views and you've never even seen it. Like true virality is tough. Like in the future, are there gonna be even like A-list celebrities like that? You know, like, or like, it's gonna be, there's gonna be less and less like A, like what would you describe as like an A-list celebrity, right? Cause everyone has their own sort of lane.

• 2:08:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's more celebrities now than there ever have been before, for sure. There's more, let's just say famous people.

• 2:08:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:08:48Joe Rogan?

  There's more people that are known than ever before because of social media. Like think about all the streamers and YouTubers and.

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, Austin has a huge streaming scene. Yeah, it's insane.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  So there's that. So that muddies the water because like you go back to like, let's go back to like 1960 when Paul Newman was a superstar making movies. How many fucking Paul Newmans were there?

• 2:09:09Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 2:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Were there ten on earth? Like if you wanted to make a big movie, you got Marlon Brando, Paul Newman, you know, you have a few people.

• 2:09:18Speaker 02

  Like a star on Sydney Sweeney's like level now.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:21Speaker 02

  Back then, that would be a name to sell movies. Now, like there's movies that she's in that people don't watch.

• 2:09:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:28Speaker 02

  And that's like what like an A-list celebrity is now. It's like there's so much stuff you're competing with.

• 2:09:33Joe Rogan?

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• 2:11:59Speaker 02

  Great, there's so many great shows. Yeah, or not even just random Instagram accounts. Dude, I watched this guy's sandwiches of history. All he does is he finds a sandwich book from, like, some of them from like the early 1900s, and just makes a sandwich in them. Is any of them good? Some of them are amazing and some of them suck at it. Some of them are like, some of them are like Depression era, you know what I mean? It's like bread and sawdust or whatever, you know?

• 2:12:23Speaker 02

  But some of them are, some of them are like, damn, that's like a good sandwich. And I just watched this guy eat sandwiches and be like, this is, this is, this is a great use of my time.

• 2:12:30Speaker 04

  Making an orange peel sandwich from nineteen twenty-one here.

• 2:12:33Joe Rogan?

  Nineteen twenty-one, so you take orange peels, you mix it up with mayonnaise, and you spread it on bread. Let's see his face.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  He always, he always goes, I'll give this sandwich a go. He has like a catchphrase. I'm all about it.

• 2:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, okay.

• 2:12:50Speaker 02

  It doesn't look like he likes it.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  It's a terrible idea. That's a terrible idea. Orange peel sandwich the fuck out of here.

• 2:12:57Speaker 02

  Well, that's what people ate.

• 2:12:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're starving. You're starving, you eat an orange peel sandwich.

• 2:13:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:01Joe Rogan?

  The, the sandwich was made by a guy who was in a hurry, right? Wasn't that the idea? He just threw some fucking meat in some bread to eat it all together?

• 2:13:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so. And then the people were like, wow.

• 2:13:10Joe Rogan?

  Was his, wasn't his name sandwich or something?

• 2:13:11Speaker 02

  He was like the Earl of Sandwich. I think it was a sandwich, there was a place. Yeah.

• 2:13:16Speaker 04

  As I'm saying that, is, is that real though? Is that just like goofy?

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, didn't we, we definitely searched this before.

• 2:13:21Speaker 04

  I'm looking.

• 2:13:21Speaker 02

  Isn't there an Earl of Sandwich? Or is that like a?

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  No, there a hundred percent is, but it's also like a store and I'm just like, I'm like, is that even, maybe just like a silly myth?

• 2:13:29Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, if, if the sandwich didn't originate with the Earl of Sandwich, what a mighty coincidence that is.

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  What a real deal, crazy coincidence.

• 2:13:38Joe Rogan?

  If there is an Earl of Sandwich, what is the origins of the term sandwich?

• 2:13:42Speaker 04

  I'm stuck looking at the Earl of Sandwich.

• 2:13:44Speaker 02

  Okay, so the Earl of Sandwich exists, that's all.

• 2:13:46Joe Rogan?

  But just put into perplexity, what are the origins of the sandwich?

• 2:13:52Joe Rogan?

  I'm pretty sure it was like a military guy.

• 2:13:54Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  And he was like, fuck it, just give me the bread and the meat, I'll put it together. And he cut the bread open, stuffed it in there. Cause I think they used to just eat bread and eat meat, eat bread. They just ate bread by itself. They were too stupid to combine them.

• 2:14:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, very autistically. Keep the food separate.

• 2:14:08Joe Rogan?

  Eighteenth century England, named after John Montague.

• 2:14:11Speaker 02

  The fourth Earl of Sandwich.

• 2:14:13Joe Rogan?

  Ah-ha.

• 2:14:14Speaker 04

  Someone is the Earl of Sandwich.

• 2:14:17Speaker 02

  During a prolonged card game in nineteen, in seventeen sixty-two.

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right, he was gambling. That's right, now I remember.

• 2:14:24Speaker 02

  Oh, well, now that gambling's so fucking massive now, what cool food is gonna come out of that?

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  It's already here. All the fast food, Uber Eats will deliver it right to your table. Allowing him to eat without interrupting play, the practice creation popularized the handheld meal among England's elite. There it is.

• 2:14:42Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so funny, it used to be an elite food.

• 2:14:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, so it looks like the Romans had it before. It says similar concepts predated Montague, uh, such as the Roman ofella, which involved meat or cheese between bread slices. That's a sandwich.

• 2:14:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:15:00Joe Rogan?

  They just didn't call it that.

• 2:15:01Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 2:15:03Joe Rogan?

  Huh. Okay.

• 2:15:05Speaker 02

  They finally had a name that stuck. Is there a current Earl of Sandwich?

• 2:15:10Joe Rogan?

  I bet there is.

• 2:15:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:11Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if he's gluten sensitive.

• 2:15:14Speaker 04

  That's what I was digging through is this, but I didn't get any good information from it.

• 2:15:18Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, well, now we know. Yeah, you wanna talk about places to eat, Austin has an amazing fucking selection of places to eat.

• 2:15:27Speaker 02

  During the, during the day, the night leaves a little.

• 2:15:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  There needs to be, there needs to be a late night diner out here.

• 2:15:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, we were talking about that last night, like, one of the things I really miss about LA is the Jewish delis. Like, Cantor's?

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:15:38Joe Rogan?

  We used to go there after a club, we'd leave and we'd go to Cantor's and I would get a pastrami ruben with steak fries.

• 2:15:45Speaker 02

  Ooh.

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god, have you ever had a pastrami ruben from Cantor's?

• 2:15:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:49Joe Rogan?

  Good lord.

• 2:15:50Speaker 02

  That's what you get at Cantor's.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  Good lord, it's good.

• 2:15:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it might be the best pastrami ruben on earth. It's right up there with Katz's Deli in New York City, which is maybe the king.

• 2:15:59Speaker 04

  Oh, I've never been there.

• 2:16:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, lord. Katz's Deli in New York City is fucking legendary. First of all, you have to, you get a ticket when you get there. I don't even know if they accept credit cards. You might have to pay in cash.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Ooh, I like that.

• 2:16:11Joe Rogan?

  You get a ticket when you get there, and you can't lose your ticket. If you lose your ticket, you gotta pay like fifty bucks. Because you take that ticket and on that ticket, they write all the things you get. So you go up to the counter and they're like, "We're gonna get you." And there's guys that have been fucking chopping meat since the twenties, you know? And they'll slice you off a couple of pieces of brisket, slice you off a couple of pieces of pastrami, and you get to eat it while you're there, while you're waiting for your sandwich to be made. And, you know, you tell them what you want, and he pulls the fucking pastrami out and starts slicing it up in front of you. It steams coming off of it, he's piling it on that rye bread, you're like, "Ooh." You can't wait and then he gives you a couple pickles in there and then you're like, what else you want? And then you move down the line, like I get order fries, you get order fries, I want a root beer, pa, pa, pa. And then you get to the end and they put it all on your ticket.

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  And then when you leave, after you've eaten, then you bring the ticket up to the counter.

• 2:17:00Speaker 02

  Ah, ah, okay. So it's food plus accountability. You have to.

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  Little bit.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, you have to keep track of stuff.

• 2:17:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird old system, so nobody pays attention. So everyone loses their fucking ticket if you're from out of town, if you've never been there before. You're like, what? The ticket? What? What happened? How much is it?

• 2:17:17Speaker 02

  Ah, it's a way to, it's a way to scam the tourists a little bit. It's like a tourist fee, not a scam.

• 2:17:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, I just think it's how they used to count back then and they just never changed it. And it's kind of the charm of the place. They've got this weird thing. Show me some Cantor sandwiches, son.

• 2:17:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:31Joe Rogan?

  Show me some of that.

• 2:17:32Speaker 02

  We were, uh, my, when I was a dog guy, we were big swingers guys. That was the.

• 2:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, cats. Show me cats, cats.

• 2:17:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was, that was the, that was the diner we went to, but like.

• 2:17:42Joe Rogan?

  Swingers was great. That was a great diner. That was a great diner, really good food. And that was open pretty late too. Look at that, son. Are you fucking kidding me? Look at that pastrami with Swiss cheese. Oh, Lord. It's so good. And they pile it up high and they've been doing it that way since the fucking eighteen hundreds. How old is Cantor's?

• 2:18:02Speaker 04

  Eighteen eighty-eight.

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen eighty-eight?

• 2:18:04Speaker 02

  Geez.

• 2:18:05Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen eighty-eight, look how good that looks. Oh. You can see how she's pulling it like that, the flavors, oh.

• 2:18:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, this is what, this is what Austin is definitely missing.

• 2:18:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:16Speaker 02

  We need, uh, they need something late night, something that we can all, where you can go and hang out and like.

• 2:18:21Joe Rogan?

  Now, I had heard that someone was opening a Cats Deli in Austin.

• 2:18:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:18:26Joe Rogan?

  Right? But I don't think it's Cats, Cats Deli from New York City.

• 2:18:30Speaker 02

  No, it's just called Cats Deli? Cats never closes?

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  Oh, coming soon. Wait, hold on, go back. Coming soon on Sixth Street. How far is that from us?

• 2:18:40Speaker 02

  Well, we're on Sixth.

• 2:18:41Speaker 04

  It's on West Sixth.

• 2:18:42Speaker 02

  It's on West Sixth, so it's like, near.

• 2:18:44Speaker 04

  It's taking over our current spot.

• 2:18:46Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 2:18:47Speaker 04

  It's taking over us, like, I think there's like a bar there or something now.

• 2:18:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:18:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kinda near where.

• 2:18:51Joe Rogan?

  Opening in the same location as the OG Katz's operated for thirty-two years. So it's way down by J. Carvers.

• 2:18:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, but this said.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  But that's not, that's a five-minute drive.

• 2:19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, you can walk there from the club. We do that, we do that all the time.

• 2:19:02Joe Rogan?

  Katz's never closes.

• 2:19:04Speaker 02

  But that was August eighteenth. Has there been any news since?

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  Is it open?

• 2:19:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's, no, no, no, it's gonna take a year.

• 2:19:10Speaker 02

  Oh, it's gonna take a year, okay.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  They're building it out?

• 2:19:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:19:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:19:14Speaker 04

  There's a few places like that that are, they got the name out and it's gonna be open in a year and a half.

• 2:19:18Joe Rogan?

  So was there an original Katz's Never Closes, or is this a new?

• 2:19:21Speaker 04

  That's the one, that's, that's where it was. It closed in twenty-eleven.

• 2:19:24Joe Rogan?

  So they lied.

• 2:19:26Speaker 04

  No, what do you mean?

• 2:19:27Joe Rogan?

  Fucking closed.

• 2:19:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Katz sometimes closes for fifteen years.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  By the way, I would've never allowed them to use a K for closes, like, guys. We're not kooky. Stop.

• 2:19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not Krispy Kreme.

• 2:19:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why are you doing that?

• 2:19:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:19:42Joe Rogan?

  Um, so, expected in twenty-twenty-six, maybe twenty-twenty-seven.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. Oh, okay, well, hopefully they, yeah, cuz that's, that's the big hole right now in the Austin game.

• 2:19:51Joe Rogan?

  Look at it, though. This is it. New York-style deli menu with sandwiches like Reuben's, day-long breakfast dishes like waffle egg sandwiches and blintzes, entrees including pork roasts and meatloafs. Oh my god, it sounds amazing. Open twenty-four-seven. All right, that'll be it for us.

• 2:20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'll be it. Finally, finally, cuz that was the big hole. Outside of that, Austin has like amazing food.

• 2:20:13Joe Rogan?

  We should help them.

• 2:20:14Speaker 02

  But, yeah, after, after ten PM, it gets rough pickings around here.

• 2:20:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's blow them up when they open up.

• 2:20:19Speaker 02

  Lot of halal carts, which I wouldn't expect in Austin. That's such a funny, going through there, I wouldn't be like, oh, halal carts would be a good way I get late-night food.

• 2:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Entrepreneurs.

• 2:20:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:28Joe Rogan?

  Dudes recognize the need.

• 2:20:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's the only, the only things you can get.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's Golden Tiger.

• 2:20:34Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  They're open pretty late, right?

• 2:20:37Speaker 02

  They're open till like, you know, like one thirty?

• 2:20:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that's pretty late.

• 2:20:40Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty good.

• 2:20:41Speaker 02

  But the comic life, you're like out at two.

• 2:20:43Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 2:20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  Looking for food at two.

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, at two, and you're like, well, I thank God the, the Mexican hot dog hearts people are here.

• 2:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that happened recently, that they started showing up.

• 2:20:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's always smart people that capitalize.

• 2:20:54Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's always, I mean, there's just so many people walking around drunk.

• 2:20:58Speaker 02

  Right, just looking for stuff.

• 2:21:00Joe Rogan?

  Especially Sixth Street, like you got a taco truck, you kill it.

• 2:21:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:21:03Joe Rogan?

  On Sixth Street?

• 2:21:04Speaker 02

  Oh, two in the morning, all the fucking zombies.

• 2:21:06Joe Rogan?

  And there's that road when you go up to Seventh where, when you're headed towards, uh, Creek. There's a whole parking lot that's got a bunch of food trucks up in there.

• 2:21:15Speaker 02

  That, I, that, that, there's a, there's a place, my favorite place is called Diddy Dog, they got bulgogi fries.

• 2:21:20Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, bulgogi fries.

• 2:21:22Speaker 02

  Bulgogi fries.

• 2:21:23Joe Rogan?

  Isn't there a really good cheeseburger place over there too?

• 2:21:26Speaker 02

  Um, y'all, yeah, there's the Yalla Burgers, they're, they're pretty good, but for me, downtown, if I'm, if I'm eating downtown, I'm eating the bulgogi fries.

• 2:21:33Joe Rogan?

  That good, huh?

• 2:21:33Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. There's, there are a lot, so you can't, I can't get them very often, now that I'm older, that I'm like, oh, yeah, to take care of myself. But when I first moved here, I was on that bulgogi fry diet, son.

• 2:21:44Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of insane how many great restaurants there are here, though.

• 2:21:46Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  It's like.

• 2:21:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:21:48Joe Rogan?

  The number's nuts.

• 2:21:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, just, and good casual eating places too. It's like, you can really, e- everyone who moves, I call it, uh, when you move to Austin, there's the freshman fifteen.

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  Were you, just from eating here?

• 2:22:00Speaker 02

  Just from eating here, you just get it, and then after you live here for like five years, you get, like, I think you just get so tired of brisket that you can't look at it again for a while. I, I eat so much brisket that I only go now when like out of town people are here.

• 2:22:14Joe Rogan?

  I could eat it twenty-four days out of a month, I'll take six off.

• 2:22:18Speaker 02

  Oh, no, no.

• 2:22:19Joe Rogan?

  I love it.

• 2:22:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but, sometimes they, the, the Terry Blacks will come to the green room and I'll be like, I can't look at this right now.

• 2:22:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 2:22:26Speaker 02

  This is like day three in a row of Terry Blacks, not to complain, but it is funny.

• 2:22:29Joe Rogan?

  Terry Blacks has those beef ribs, dog.

• 2:22:31Speaker 02

  Mmm, that's their best.

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  Ribs are insane.

• 2:22:33Speaker 02

  I do describe it, I had, you gotta take every tourist, it's like the Disneyland of Austin.

• 2:22:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a line that moves quickly, you can see how everything's made.

• 2:22:40Joe Rogan?

  And it's a fucking huge place. They, they, I think they're like the highest volume restaurant in the country.

• 2:22:45Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:22:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think in terms of like brisket and barbecue and stuff, I think, they were telling me that. I forget what the exact statistic they told me, but it was like the volume of food that they serve there is like as high as anywhere in the country.

• 2:22:59Speaker 02

  That's, that makes sense. It's always, there's always a line there.

• 2:23:01Joe Rogan?

  Giant line.

• 2:23:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they always move quickly, so they're always getting people like in and out.

• 2:23:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can only eat so much. Like, when you sit down and eat barbecue, you ain't sitting there for three hours, bitch.

• 2:23:11Speaker 02

  No, no. And you also always get more than you can eat.

• 2:23:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're always like, yeah, because it looks so good up there. And then like the second you have like their cornbread, you're so full.

• 2:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, well especially those beef ribs, man. They're so rich. You can only eat like so much of it before you're like, oh.

• 2:23:28Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I, not before a show. That's always, that's a mistake that people make.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Bro, last time we had a whole group of us, I made the mistake of sitting next to Metzger and I was in the corner. He's just fucking looming over me with conspiracy theories. I'm like, Kurt, you gotta stop. Try and enjoy these ribs. You gotta stop.

• 2:23:46Speaker 04

  I don't know if it's just the Terry Blacks in Austin, because I know they have one in Dallas, I think, too. But it says eighteen percent of America's brisket is served by them.

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  Eighteen percent of America's, that's so much brisket.

• 2:23:59Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:24:01Speaker 02

  Metzger's a fun one. In the green room, he said, my favorite is when he'll be like, what, I thought this was common knowledge.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  You don't know?

• 2:24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't know. There was, there was something he said in the green room the other day about like Morgan Freeman. And some deep conspiracy about Morgan Freeman. And we're like, what the fuck are you talking about? It's like, well, I thought this was common knowledge. It's like, no, no one knows anything about what you're talking about.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Is it the Morgan Freeman dated his granddaughter or some shit like that?

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  Step granddaughter.

• 2:24:25Joe Rogan?

  Step granddaughter.

• 2:24:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, had a, dated her and then the, the boyfriend went crazy and like killed her. And he was like, I thought that was common knowledge. It's like, what, what do you mean?

• 2:24:35Joe Rogan?

  Is that true? The boyfriend went crazy and killed her?

• 2:24:37Speaker 02

  That's what he said. I, I looked at it afterwards and I was like, I don't know where Kurt, Kurt gets his news plugged in straight from the matrix, I think. I don't even know where he finds his stuff.

• 2:24:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's on that Jimmy Dore show.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  You know, and Jimmy Dore show, the entire show is about exposing corruption and conspiracies and it's a lot.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:57Joe Rogan?

  You live in that world all the time.

• 2:24:59Speaker 02

  Then everything becomes a conspiracy and everything.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't leave a lot of room for sunshine. Also, here's the thing, there's enough conspiracy, like we talked about the Franklin scandal. There's enough conspiracies that are absolutely real and provable, that if you go into it, you will kind of go crazy.

• 2:25:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:12Joe Rogan?

  I mean, this is what kind of happened to Alex Jones, this is what happens to a lot of people that get involved in conspiracies. It's like you, you find out how many of them are true and you start losing your fucking mind. You're like, what is real? Like what really controls the world? Like what fucking lizard people are really at the center of this whole thing?

• 2:25:29Speaker 02

  Right, yeah. This is kind of better to just stay away at a certain point, just be like, eh.

• 2:25:33Joe Rogan?

  We should probably pay attention a little bit, but some people must have an obligation to do it because if it doesn't get exposed, then it's gonna continue. And the only way that you can kind of put a stop to this stuff is people have to get busted and they have to be held accountable. The public has to get outraged, so someone has to be making these videos, but it doesn't have to be you.

• 2:25:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:52Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't have to be you.

• 2:25:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:53Joe Rogan?

  For your own personal mental health, it's just not good to absorb all of the evil of the world.

• 2:26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no reason to take that on. There's no reason. Just be, just find happiness in your lane.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, I feel like that's pretty easy to do.

• 2:26:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I feel like that's pretty easy to do.

• 2:26:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, just, just, a lot of it, just be happy with where you are and work from there.

• 2:26:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's just like, some people feel obligated to be a part of something, you know, and then you, you, you find. The thing about like with Metzger is like, he wasn't always like this. I was friends with him long before he started working with Jimmy. And he was, you know, fun and crazy, always like the same kind of guy, but now it's like the, the obsession is all on deep corruption and conspiracies. It's like, yo. But he's right, he's right about a lot of it.

• 2:26:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Which is nuts and he maintains a lot of it in his fucking brain, just bouncing around in there like.

• 2:26:52Speaker 02

  But yeah, but I mean, it's yeah, it just takes over, man. I do think, uh, White Precious, his Comedy Central special. That's low-key one of the most underrated specials of all time. That special is great.

• 2:27:02Joe Rogan?

  He's very funny.

• 2:27:03Speaker 02

  That special is great.

• 2:27:04Joe Rogan?

  He's very good. His writing's very good. He's just very smart, you know? He's a great podcast guest, too. Basically, just gotta kinda corral him a little bit. You know, yeah, cuz he'll go from one subject to the next subject to the next, all in like one rant. You're like, oh, go, go, go, go. Go back to that first one. Queen Elizabeth did what?

• 2:27:23Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:27:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:27:25Joe Rogan?

  He's just, uh, well, we have a lot of, I mean, he's another one that lives in Austin, though. We have a lot of them. It's pretty cool.

• 2:27:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, uh, I'm, it's, it's so, it's so fun watching, like, all these, like, young kids to, like, rise up and be, and just, like, find themselves. It's so, like, uh, I mentioned Fuzzy earlier, but just watching him on stage, like, he does it. It's so, it's great watching him just, like, figure out to not give a fuck and then see what comes from that.

• 2:27:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:50Speaker 02

  Like, right now, he's doing these things at the end when he closes out, like, Fat Man. He'll also do a Q and A, but he's not famous. So the questions are so much funnier. And like, the answers are so much wilder cuz it's just some guy that they all just met.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:28:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's a, it's a very fun dynamic to watch his Q and As and just being, because the whole, whole audience is like, wait, we're doing a Q and A? We had no questions coming in.

• 2:28:12Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 2:28:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:28:14Joe Rogan?

  The first time I ever saw anybody do a Q and A was Seinfeld.

• 2:28:17Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:28:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he did a whole set. He did like forty-five minutes. And then, it was at The Paradise in Boston. The Paradise was a small club. It was a rock and roll club that was connected to Stitches. And Stitches was the comedy club. So for the comedy club, like, if you're a regular comedian, I think Stitches probably seated maybe a hundred and fifty people. It was like a little bit bigger than Little Boy.

• 2:28:39Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:39Joe Rogan?

  And, um... So if you were a regular comic, like a, you know, road headliner, you'd do stitches. And then if you're a big guy like Jerry Seinfeld that had been on television, you'd do the paradise.

• 2:28:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  So I was with a date, I think I was maybe twenty, and I went to see Jerry Seinfeld before I ever did stand up. And he did stand up and then he came back out and he answered questions. And he would just riff with the audience. It was fucking great. It was really cool. He just started riffing about stuff and I guess that's like how he was creating material and coming up with new premises.

• 2:29:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, do you get bits when you do that?

• 2:29:11Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's not an exact science. Like, we'll have a whole fun Q and A session for twenty minutes and there's no bits.

• 2:29:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:29:20Joe Rogan?

  And I'll do it five times, six times, and then one time, bam, I got one. And then you just gotta grab that sucker and reel it into the shore.

• 2:29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and just work on it.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and then figure it out. But Bottom of the Barrel's the best. Bottom of the Barrel's the best premise factory ever.

• 2:29:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. I feel like, cause there's certain people who do it, like I think you're, I mean, you're great at it. And I feel like you should, like, if you were thinking about doing a special, would you ever consider doing a Bottom of the Barrel type special?

• 2:29:47Joe Rogan?

  No, because I'd say too much wild shit that I wouldn't want to get published.

• 2:29:50Speaker 02

  That's a very fair point. That's a very, the most insane shit I've ever said has been on Bottom of the Barrel. And just like, I'm so glad there's a place where I can get this thought out, cause they'll look at you like, yo, what the fuck?

• 2:30:02Joe Rogan?

  And you're like, hey, this wasn't my idea. You fucking wrote this down.

• 2:30:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they get mad at you for that.

• 2:30:09Speaker 02

  I remember one time I got bestiality and it reminded me of a story. So the way we consumed porn as kids, cause you guys had like magazines you'd find in the woods, you have a bit about that.

• 2:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:30:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was not, so we, there was these, this was like pre Pornhub, so these pre YouTube's of porn as I call them, but there are these like dedicated sites. They'd be like, one of them was like Mr. Chews Asian Beaver, I think you can tell what that's about.

• 2:30:34Speaker 02

  That one was a great.

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Probably run by a Jewish guy.

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, oh, for sure.

• 2:30:38Joe Rogan?

  Definitely not a Mr. Chu.

• 2:30:39Speaker 02

  There was a, there was at the very, there was this very racist cartoon beaver. And he would have like the buck teeth and the rice hat. And then he would rate every girl out of fortune, like out of five fortune cookies at the end of each video. That was the whole premise of the site. That's what we were coming up with in porn. And then one day, and we'd watch that together in like 7th grade, like that's the, our, our huddling around the magazine. And then one day, we invited the weird guy and he had found one where people fuck animals.

• 2:31:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was like wow, and, and there's been very famous videos, I think there's one called like Mr. Hands or something like that. Yeah, yeah, there's very famous, like those originated out of those sites. And so he was showing us that, and then what I said on stage is, it gave me the life experience to know that sometimes when you, sometimes when you watch people fuck a dog, sometimes the dog enjoys it. And they all looked at me like I was horrified, which is a kinda horrifying thing to say, but I was also like, well, you brought it up.

• 2:31:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  I wasn't gonna tell this story unless you asked me.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Some dogs must like it. There's probably a girl, girl dog out there that likes some dick.

• 2:31:42Speaker 02

  Oh, I mean, there's probably a guy, there's probably a guy dog out there that's giving some dick right now.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:31:46Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, to some, yeah, crazy lady.

• 2:31:49Joe Rogan?

  I've seen videos when I was a kid, there was like this, uh, video that a friend of mine had, and I remember one of us had to watch the door. So it was like.

• 2:31:57Speaker 02

  Like a sentry?

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  The door, yeah, cause there's a door down into the basement, so one of us had to stand up at the door, and the rest of us were huddled in front of this fucking 12-inch television with a VCR attached to it.

• 2:32:09Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:32:09Joe Rogan?

  And you put the VHS tape in there, we're watching like a copy of a copy of a copy of Barnyard Betty. And Barnyard Betty was this cra- they took some crazy crackhead, and they gave her money to suck a dog's dick and get fucked by a German shepherd, and it's weird to watch, man.

• 2:32:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you, you come across some weird shit out there.

• 2:32:29Joe Rogan?

  Dog just pumped nut into this fucking poor. Drunken sad alcoholic drug addict lady.

• 2:32:36Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 2:32:37Joe Rogan?

  It was sad.

• 2:32:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  Sad.

• 2:32:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a. But that's yeah, that's that's how. Fuck, well porn's fucked. It's just so, it's so crazy how it's just moved towards. I guess it's more empowering, I guess, what it's about individual creators.

• 2:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Right, like OnlyFans.

• 2:32:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:54Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the numbers? You ever seen the numbers?

• 2:32:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I saw the the one lady that makes more than LeBron.

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that, but I mean, the number of actual girls that are on OnlyFans.

• 2:33:03Speaker 02

  Oh, must be, it must be depressing.

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:33:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it must be depressing how many people are selling themselves to like nobody.

• 2:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, that's the thing. The the vast majority aren't making any money.

• 2:33:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:33:14Joe Rogan?

  And then their pussy's out there forever.

• 2:33:15Speaker 02

  Just forever.

• 2:33:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're they're getting fucked by a dildo in front of the whole world. The guy saves it on his hard drive forever and ever and ever and ever.

• 2:33:22Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:33:22Joe Rogan?

  And you were nineteen, you just didn't want to work. But I think the number between girls of eighteen to, I forget what the age is, something in their twenties, it's like ten percent.

• 2:33:33Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:33:33Speaker 02

  Wild, it's it's but it's content creation. It's like that's a genuine market that people are going for and that's what that's the way to do it.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  It's also pornography.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  It is pornography.

• 2:33:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I mean, content creation is TikTok, Instagram.

• 2:33:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:33:45Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, that's content creation.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  I think they view it in the same vein.

• 2:33:49Joe Rogan?

  Wow. Well, it depends on what you do, right?

• 2:33:53Speaker 02

  I know that top lady, and this is something.

• 2:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Sophie Rain?

• 2:33:55Speaker 02

  Sophie Rain. And this is something that's just interesting across all Gen Z is that her thing is that she's a virgin.

• 2:34:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:01Speaker 02

  And that's how she sells, which is like, yeah, which, you know, take it for what it is, but like her and that the Nick Shirley guy virgin, Nick Fuentes virgin, it's like, that's like a thing that you can sell to Gen Z is virginity.

• 2:34:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you were talking to me about this in the green room, that like this incel problem is unrecognized. That there's a giant percentage of people that are like voluntarily celibate in this country.

• 2:34:24Speaker 02

  Yes, I think so. And it's like, a lot of it is maybe this sort of new religious, this sort of religious fervor that's sort of developing with them as well, because Gen Z is more religious.

• 2:34:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but aren't they horny? I don't get it.

• 2:34:35Speaker 02

  They're not me, they're not, there's something like some crazy amount of women under twenty-five have never been approached by a guy their age, like in public. Yeah, yeah, it's the game is DMs, so it's all online, so it's all fueling that sort of loneliness. Yeah, gen- they don't go out, they don't go out like alcohol consumption from Gen Z to millennials is like they drink eight hundred percent less, some crazy shit like that. Third spaces, you know the concept of a third space?

• 2:34:59Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:35:00Speaker 02

  Okay, so you have work and home, that's space one, space two, and a third space is like, you know, when I was visiting college, we go to the bowling alley every day for one, one summer. It was stuff like that, so a place that you can all go, the library, the mall. Places to exist outside of the two spaces, those places are completely disappearing, whether people are staying inside all the time, or they've become too expensive, like movies now are like very expensive, so it's like kind of priced out of being a third space.

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:35:27Speaker 02

  On top of all the things that are going on with movies. So, those are also disappearing, so places where you can meet someone in person are gone. So they're not meeting in person, a lot of it is app-driven and, and, you know.

• 2:35:42Joe Rogan?

  And then you gotta wonder about like sex drive drop-off.

• 2:35:45Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Because.

• 2:35:46Speaker 02

  Well, you can access porn, like, like instantly now.

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:52Speaker 02

  So you can at least play that part of your brain, give it something.

• 2:35:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:56Speaker 02

  Give it a rush of some kind that it would kind maybe get from like a lesser version of sex, but still feel, fill that void.

• 2:36:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. And then there's also testosterone levels have dropped, like fertility levels amongst women have dropped.

• 2:36:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:36:11Joe Rogan?

  Miscarriages have risen.

• 2:36:12Speaker 02

  The, the west, the west, the fertility rates in the west are like massively concerning. Like it's, you know, we, people like worry about bringing in migrants, but at the same time, there's the only ones having kids at replacement level. Like the west isn't having that. I, I had my, I had my fifteen-year high school reunion recently, and I was in town, I was like, I'll go to this. And I was like, damn, I'll probably be the only one who's like not married and doesn't have kids, and most of the people weren't married or didn't have kids.

• 2:36:40Joe Rogan?

  How old are you now?

• 2:36:41Speaker 02

  Thirty-three. Yeah, most of the people there, just I would say have, yeah, didn't have kids. Which is, which is wild. Thirty-three at any other generation. This is a late time to not have a kid.

• 2:36:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:36:54Speaker 02

  This is pretty, for people who grew up middle-class millennial, I would say this is pretty standard. To not have a kid. And there's certain, I think, driving factors to the fact that a house is unbuyable for a lot of people my age and younger, that like, because you're sold the dream on a house and two kids. Well, if you can't get the house, like, it sucks to be renting with kids.

• 2:37:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:18Speaker 02

  You know, the instability.

• 2:37:20Joe Rogan?

  Average home buyer age is increasing, while the median age for all US home buyers, reaching fifty-nine. Whoa, that's pretty late.

• 2:37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, record high.

• 2:37:28Joe Rogan?

  Late twenty-twenty-five.

• 2:37:29Speaker 02

  Forty.

• 2:37:30Joe Rogan?

  Median age, for first time buyers hit a record high of forty.

• 2:37:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like, that's how much, that's how long you have to, like, it's hard to raise a kid without a house, you know?

• 2:37:39Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:37:40Speaker 02

  And the American, I think the American community in that way is dying, because like, you know, you it takes a village to raise a child, so you raise a house, you raise a child in a house you bought, your neighbors generally say the same. There's a certain level of comfort and like, you know, oh, my mom can do this thing for me, I can go to my neighbor's house, and you know what I mean? There's safety in that. But if everyone around you is a renter, then your community kind of disappears.

• 2:38:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:02Speaker 02

  There's no, like, set community.

• 2:38:04Joe Rogan?

  That's a really good point.

• 2:38:05Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, and it's like, bringing up, kids need consistency. So bringing up in a world that's constantly shifting, it's probably anxiety-inducing to people who can't afford homes.

• 2:38:18Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:38:19Speaker 02

  Definitely on that. And then childcare is expensive.

• 2:38:22Joe Rogan?

  Then also your friends aren't doing it, you know? And then women are waiting later and later because they want to prolong their careers.

• 2:38:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:38:29Joe Rogan?

  And then it becomes harder, and then you get into in vitro fertilization.

• 2:38:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's definitely some, this, with this wave of feminism and capitalism, there's definitely some, like, insidious ties there. Of just like, you can, you can, oh, like, work. Create capital for us, and then make it, make it so it's impossible, or very hard for one working house spouse to, like, just if the man is working, to raise a kid.

• 2:38:55Joe Rogan?

  Do you think it's on purpose?

• 2:38:57Speaker 02

  I think.

• 2:39:00Speaker 02

  Maybe it wouldn't start on purpose, but I think it sort of became intertwined.

• 2:39:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, isn't it just a

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  just a side effect of if women want to pursue careers?

• 2:39:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:39:10Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna have less children.

• 2:39:12Speaker 02

  But the tha- that is for sure, but there's a thing about it, there's this like almost demonization of the women who choose to stay at home. Like, you know, it's like, look, oh, trad wife, it's looked down on.

• 2:39:24Joe Rogan?

  But isn't that just because of the women that are pursuing careers that give them that? That look down on?

• 2:39:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is true.

• 2:39:30Joe Rogan?

  And it's probably because they secretly feel like maybe they're missing out.

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  Maybe. It's, uh, it, to me, it's like, uh, it's so funny that it both can exist. It can be the woman that go for their careers and the woman that want to stay home. It's just for one group to demonize the other, I think, I think it's just very interesting.

• 2:39:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it is weird, but it's also like population drop is a real thing.

• 2:39:48Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. It does look like the humanity. Have you ever seen that population curve of the deer?

• 2:39:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, so I think humanity is kind of at that point where it levels off.

• 2:39:58Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:39:59Speaker 02

  Have you, yeah, because I remember my bio classes, which that would be the populat- like, the, yeah, the exponential growth and then the level off. And we've had the exponential growth. And we're looking like that part of the graph.

• 2:40:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is, like, there is still exponential growth, it's just not in the West. That's what's kind of weird.

• 2:40:14Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Poor people. Poor people want to have a bunch of kids and they're having them all the time.

• 2:40:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  And then they want to come over here.

• 2:40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Take over Minnesota.

• 2:40:25Joe Rogan?

  And then have their kids in daycare. That doesn't exist.

• 2:40:27Speaker 02

  Right. But yeah, there's, it, there is something happening in the West, or like, the, the way that, like, the South Korea and Japan.

• 2:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they're fucked.

• 2:40:34Speaker 02

  They're like fucked. They're like actually fucked. They're like a couple of generations away from like, how are you going to support this whole thing?

• 2:40:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:40Speaker 02

  Unless you let people in.

• 2:40:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, or you encourage people to have kids. If you turn it around with the youngest people and then you have like a blip for a while, but then it gets back to it. But man, you have to like make a concerted effort. And how do you encourage people to have children? Like, because you're gonna have to have women that don't pursue careers.

• 2:40:58Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  Right? If you're gonna have five kids, like what are you gonna do? You're working all day?

• 2:41:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:41:04Joe Rogan?

  That's kind of crazy. And when you have kids, you realize how nuts that is. Because it's like, man, your kids, they, they want their parents, you know, and that's good for them to have their parents around, especially in this world of predators and creeps and weirdos.

• 2:41:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:41:16Joe Rogan?

  And things that can happen at daycare.

• 2:41:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, no, it's a, it's, I don't know how they would incentivize that to happen.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  How do you?

• 2:41:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't, you can't really.

• 2:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because people are selfish. They like, they want what they want in their life. And you know, when Elon's like, oh, we're experiencing population collapse. They're like, so what? Not me, bye. I'm going to the movies with my friends. You know what I mean? Like, the idea of changing diapers, like, I don't want, I don't like her that much. Stick around with her for the next eighteen years.

• 2:41:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, you also, you also, when you have the ability to choose everyone at your fingertips. It's like Netflix, when you can watch everything, you watch nothing. So we can choose everyone, you can't, you don't commit to anything.

• 2:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:41:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's just because everything's these sort of superfluous, like, kind of deep relationships.

• 2:42:03Joe Rogan?

  I know a lot of people that have used the apps and then found someone and got off the apps. So there are people, but generally, they're a little older.

• 2:42:09Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Right?

• 2:42:10Speaker 02

  Yes, they're, they're like, at a certain age, you sort of like, look for that.

• 2:42:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:15Speaker 02

  But like, when, in your early twenties, when people were like settling down in their twenties beforehand.

• 2:42:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:19Speaker 02

  It made sense. They were the only person around, maybe like, but now you're in a city, you can just, it can be, it's like in a big one in New York where there's like an endless stream of people.

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:42:28Speaker 02

  There's no reason to make a choice if you don't want to.

• 2:42:32Joe Rogan?

  I always saw a video of a lady who created an app where a man is allowed to pay for her preparation for the date. So the man sends her money so that can, she can get her nails done, get clothes for the day, all these different things for the date. And this lady set up this app.

• 2:42:51Speaker 02

  Damn, that's smart.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of prostitution.

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  I mean, it's sure.

• 2:42:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, it's kind of without the guarantee of sex.

• 2:43:00Speaker 02

  I know.

• 2:43:00Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. You're not just showing up, these are my clothes, I drove here in my car, I'm meeting a person. No, it's that person is paying me to prepare for our date.

• 2:43:10Speaker 02

  Right, and creating me into a person in his head, it's kind of dark.

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get a very different kind of person that's gonna meet you. You're gonna get a kind of person that's willing to give you money immediately.

• 2:43:20Speaker 02

  Mmm.

• 2:43:21Joe Rogan?

  Before he has any connection with you at all.

• 2:43:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:43:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, he might meet you and you're fucking super annoying. And he's like, god damn it, I gave that bitch a hundred bucks.

• 2:43:29Speaker 02

  That's so funny, that's a Richard, well, I think it was Richard Feynman, he was talking about getting girls, because he was good at it, and he was like, yeah, I never paid for the drink on the first date. Never, something like that.

• 2:43:39Joe Rogan?

  That seems kinda crazy.

• 2:43:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:43:41Joe Rogan?

  That's not gonna get a lot of quality women.

• 2:43:43Speaker 02

  Ah, well.

• 2:43:43Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it was back then, it was different.

• 2:43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and you're kinda famous in your world.

• 2:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's a famous, brilliant guy. The scientists back then were all like rock stars. Isn't that crazy?

• 2:43:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they were all like just fucking everyone around them.

• 2:43:56Joe Rogan?

  They're nuts.

• 2:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:43:57Joe Rogan?

  And that was normal.

• 2:43:58Speaker 02

  Just making the atomic bomb, just fucking losing their minds.

• 2:44:01Joe Rogan?

  That was the crazy thing about the Oppenheimer thing, right?

• 2:44:04Speaker 02

  You were.

• 2:44:04Joe Rogan?

  Oppenheimer was a freak.

• 2:44:06Speaker 06

  Good for him.

• 2:44:07Joe Rogan?

  It's just how they're getting this fuck on.

• 2:44:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, fucking communist chicks.

• 2:44:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:12Speaker 06

  They're probably fun.

• 2:44:12Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that's living, especially back then, that's living dangerously. That's the, that's the same level of, that's the same level of come as the gay Republican senator. It's like, this is, this is banned.

• 2:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, right. How many gay Republican senators, you think there are?

• 2:44:27Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Not zero.

• 2:44:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 2:44:30Joe Rogan?

  In the closet, not zero.

• 2:44:31Speaker 02

  No, definitely not. It's usually, it is usually the ones that are like the most pro, like anyone who's like still very pro anti-gay marriage now, like loudly, it's like, what's going on here?

• 2:44:39Joe Rogan?

  Or really into war.

• 2:44:43Joe Rogan?

  We gotta get those Iraqis out of their hoes.

• 2:44:48Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, the fucking, just so, just war hawks with Iran's going through it right now.

• 2:44:53Joe Rogan?

  What's going on right now?

• 2:44:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, you don't know what's happening in Iran?

• 2:44:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know about the protests, I know about killing the protesters.

• 2:44:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what, yeah, I would, cause.

• 2:45:00Joe Rogan?

  But it seems like there's some sort of a strike that may be imminent.

• 2:45:03Speaker 02

  Hmm, you think?

• 2:45:04Joe Rogan?

  It feels like it.

• 2:45:05Speaker 02

  Like, from us?

• 2:45:07Joe Rogan?

  The United States, yeah.

• 2:45:07Speaker 02

  I think the US is kinda gonna stay back for a little bit.

• 2:45:11Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  A week in Iran is, they're weak right now.

• 2:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're.

• 2:45:14Speaker 02

  Cause they're dealing with internal strife.

• 2:45:16Joe Rogan?

  It's kinda crazy to see how many people are on the streets.

• 2:45:18Speaker 02

  I mean, the Iranian, the average Iranian civilian has gotten a pretty raw deal since the 50s, since we installed the Shah.

• 2:45:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:29Speaker 02

  We installed the Shah and then Khomeini comes and is like, hey, remember the democracy they stole from you? Cause we had deposed of a, an elected leader. Well, we'll bring it back. And they're like, okay. And then the clerics just took over and fucked them. And there've just been a constant stream of like the average, the average Iranian citizen is just getting fucked by outside forces for so long.

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's all about the nationalization of their oil.

• 2:45:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:45:52Joe Rogan?

  They wanted to nationalize their oil and we're like, nah, playa.

• 2:45:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, fuck that. Fuck that, you think you're gonna have a control over your own state? Get out of here.

• 2:46:01Joe Rogan?

  Did you, you heard Medsker's theory about Venezuela last night?

• 2:46:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  He's like, he goes, "I think, I think Maduro is secretly working for the CIA. He helped them arrest him, and then he is gonna testify that the 2020 elections were rigged."

• 2:46:18Speaker 02

  Wow, if that comes true, what a, what a Babe Ruth, what a Babe Ruth call. What a point to the sky that is, that's crazy.

• 2:46:24Joe Rogan?

  If that comes true, I'm buying you a car. I go, "Find a, find a car you really like, we're gonna get you a car." Yeah, that's crazy. If you need an American muscle car, I'll get you a Mustang GT or something.

• 2:46:34Speaker 02

  But I will say this, when, when the Iranians protest, it's like admirable, cuz you know they're gonna die.

• 2:46:38Joe Rogan?

  A lot of them have already died. They killed thousands of them.

• 2:46:41Speaker 02

  A lot of them died, and the same with the hijab protests, where just women were disappearing for not wearing a hijab. It's like, damn, bro.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  That's how bad it got.

• 2:46:48Speaker 02

  They really like, it, they've gotten a raw deal historically for the last half a century, and they're still fighting.

• 2:46:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, crazy.

• 2:46:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I read, when I was a kid, I read this book called Persepolis. It's in my like, greatest books of all time. But it's, it's, uh, I read Persepolis, and I was like, maybe in high school, early, late middle school, and I just realized like, oh, man. Cuz you get bombarded, especially at that time, where in, fighting in the Middle East, you get bombarded with propaganda of like, what these people are like over there. And I'm reading Persepolis, I'm like, oh, right, they're just people. Like, she has this scene where she's just wanting to listen to music with her friends, but the Islamic police is like, "We'll fucking fuck them up if they get caught." And they just have these secret parties where they're just listening to music.

• 2:47:30Joe Rogan?

  Secret listening to music parties that can wind you up in jail.

• 2:47:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, just regular things.

• 2:47:36Joe Rogan?

  What is this? Venezuela opposition leader Maria Corina Machado insists that Maduro rigged the 2020 US elections against Donald Trump and many other elections in the region. What?

• 2:47:48Speaker 04

  Tweet from November 3rd. I saw that going around too, so I don't know that Kurt's too crazy on that one.

• 2:47:53Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:47:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's a, this isn't even the first one, this was just showing you the data.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  How could Maduro rig United States elections?

• 2:48:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, what, yeah, what is, where is that power coming from? All of a sudden, because if the power to rig election, you think he would be able to stop himself from getting arrested?

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  This is from the gray zone, it says Hugo El Polo Carval, Carvalho is likely to serve as the star witness for the US against Maduro. Max Blumenthal reveals Carvalho is a coerced witness who cut a secret plea deal to save himself. He's even indulging the Trump, uh, Trump's conspiracy theory that Venezuela rigged the 2020 US election.

• 2:48:34Speaker 02

  Hmm. The gray, what's the gray zone, is that?

• 2:48:37Joe Rogan?

  So I think that's Max Blumenthal's show.

• 2:48:39Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's like a source?

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  He's legit.

• 2:48:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:48:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Uh, anti-war.

• 2:48:46Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:48:46Joe Rogan?

  Um, so if, if he's saying that, maybe there's something to it.

• 2:48:51Speaker 02

  Damn. How would he, and what mechanism would Maduro be able to?

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm saying.

• 2:48:57Speaker 02

  Do an election?

• 2:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Like what are, okay, let's find that out, how do they think Maduro had a hand in rigging the 2020 election, what's the conspiracy?

• 2:49:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, was it like he did all the, like he helped with the mail-in votes?

• 2:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  Because that's the only, that's the only way you could steal that election, right?

• 2:49:10Joe Rogan?

  Like Venezuela's pretty far away.

• 2:49:12Speaker 04

  Here's a tweet from before the election even happened.

• 2:49:16Joe Rogan?

  Nicolas Maduro's campaign manager, uh, this is from 2024, just went on national TV to declare victory despite exit polls showing a historic loss for their socialist regime. They're setting up to commit a bigger election theft than the 2020 election in the United States. No, that's, that's not, that's just someone's opinion.

• 2:49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, how does that add up?

• 2:49:37Joe Rogan?

  That they're stealing the election in Venezuela. But they did steal it in Venezuela.

• 2:49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's for sure.

• 2:49:44Joe Rogan?

  Uh, what does it say?

• 2:49:45Speaker 04

  I'm just looking around, that this is.

• 2:49:47Joe Rogan?

  It says he, he did, uh, clearly stole Venezuela's election, threatened bloodshed if he lost, restricted, uh, what is that, intel? What is, what is?

• 2:49:59Speaker 04

  International observers.

• 2:49:59Joe Rogan?

  International observers, uh, blocked transmission of results.

• 2:50:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, that that definitely happened. I mean, it was very telling how happy the Venezuelans in America were. When he was gone.

• 2:50:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:11Speaker 02

  That was that was a genuine thing. They were very, very pleased about that.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:50:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then you had people, you had like white leftists be like, this is bad.

• 2:50:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're supporting a dictator. It's like, and the way they did it was so unprecedented, going and stormed the fucking castle and steal the guy.

• 2:50:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, kinda shows the power, like, kinda tells also the other countries like, hey, back off.

• 2:50:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's pretty crazy what they did, if it's true, with that whole sonar weapon or sound weapon, whatever it did that like literally like makes your organs bubble. And everybody like falls to the ground, they're writhing in pain and agony, and then they just stormed in, and everybody was incapacitated.

• 2:50:51Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Stormed in, fucked everybody up, and that was a wrap.

• 2:50:54Speaker 02

  Well, if that's what war is becoming, that's kinda better.

• 2:50:57Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of crazy.

• 2:50:58Speaker 02

  That's kinda better than like ground troops and nonstop fighting in 20 years in Afghanistan.

• 2:51:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay, here's lawyer Sidney Powell in 2020 talking about Maduro having access to voting fraud technology. Maduro's gonna sing like a canary, and the Democrats are screwed. No wonder why, okay.

• 2:51:17Speaker 02

  Is that lady even real?

• 2:51:18Joe Rogan?

  Who?

• 2:51:18Speaker 02

  That that looks like a, no, the the

• 2:51:21Joe Rogan?

  The avatar?

• 2:51:22Speaker 02

  That the person, the person tweeting this. See, this this this reeks of bot to me.

• 2:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Follow me for breaking news.

• 2:51:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why do you know? Or just guy clearly, account clearly just making stuff up.

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  Um, see if you can find an account of how they did it, because there's an account by someone who was a witness that was there at the scene that said how fucking crazy it was, that these guys came out of nowhere, the helicopters came out of nowhere, the drones, they shut down all the radar, everything got shut down, and then all of a sudden, there's drones flying everywhere and helicopters, and these dudes, 20 guys, killed, you know, who knows how many fucking humans.

• 2:52:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:52:03Joe Rogan?

  No one got killed on the American side. They captured him and his wife, stuffed him back in the helicopter, and they were in and out in 10 minutes.

• 2:52:10Speaker 02

  10 minutes, yeah. There's that, there's a very famous video of a Twitch streamer in Venezuela, just out in the streets, and then everything just.

• 2:52:19Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:52:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:20Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:52:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it just goes dark.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:52:23Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:52:24Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:52:25Speaker 02

  And yeah, you can, and you're a human, you can tell like, oh, something's up.

• 2:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:28Speaker 02

  This is not a normal, everything, like, all the street, like, it went just dark.

• 2:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's crazy because we knew they had some really wild technology, but they didn't know, we didn't know what they were capable of until we've seen this.

• 2:52:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:52:39Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, oh, what's really interesting is my friend Evan Hafer was talking about that like a year ago on the podcast. He was talking about it, maybe less than a year, he was like, if we go to war with the cartels, like, they have no idea what kind of ultra-violence they're in for.

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:52:57Joe Rogan?

  He's like, the shit that these guys are gonna do when they get, when they're gonna plan this out, they had a, they built a replica of his house and they went through it blindfolded. Yeah, so they know exactly where every turn is, where to go, they, they get, war-planned this for a long time.

• 2:53:14Speaker 04

  The livestreamer thing was a false story.

• 2:53:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it was false? Which one?

• 2:53:17Speaker 04

  From, uh...

• 2:53:18Joe Rogan?

  Over the livestream, going out?

• 2:53:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, but find the account of the witness.

• 2:53:22Speaker 04

  I stumbled across that on the way to it.

• 2:53:24Joe Rogan?

  Okay. The, the account of the guy who said he was there, if it's accurate, is crazy. Cause he's, he basically said they just incapacitated everyone and then just went in and murdered everybody and pulled, pulled out Maduro. Like, no one could move, you can't do anything, and then these guys land in helicopters and everyone's writhing in agony, like, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Just running through.

• 2:53:46Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 2:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Whacked everybody, no one got shot back at.

• 2:53:49Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:53:50Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 2:53:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I think, yeah, I think that's what warfare, outside of what's happening in Russia, Ukraine, that's kinda what warfare is now, right? Like, oh, is, is Iran gonna, is Israel gonna go to war with Iran? We'll just quickly just take out all their govern, all their generals real quick.

• 2:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's if you...

• 2:54:04Speaker 02

  And the threat of war is done.

• 2:54:05Joe Rogan?

  You know, you're dealing with Venezuela versus the United States of America.

• 2:54:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:54:09Joe Rogan?

  But if it was the United States of America versus Russia...

• 2:54:12Speaker 02

  Or China, it'd be a lot different.

• 2:54:13Joe Rogan?

  It's a lot more fucked up.

• 2:54:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Venezuela doesn't have nuclear bombs, that's why you can get away with shit like this.

• 2:54:19Speaker 02

  Right, right. Yeah, that's a fair point.

• 2:54:22Joe Rogan?

  That is part of the thing, you know? And then it's like, the whole thing's so transparent, Trump's like, immediately, we're gonna take the oil, there's plenty of oil. Working on a deal.

• 2:54:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think it was a coincidence that all of a sudden there was, I had gas under $2 last week in the gas station across the street. I was like, huh, I wonder if that's Venezuela related?

• 2:54:41Joe Rogan?

  Not in California. California, gas companies are pulling out. Valero pulled out of California. It's gonna cost them $1 billion. And they're like, eh.

• 2:54:53Speaker 02

  It's not worth it.

• 2:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Rather leave.

• 2:54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:54:54Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you.

• 2:54:56Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, the cost of living there is so high, too. It's like, like, when we talk about, like, young comics, it's like, it's, what you have in Austin is like, at least a way, a much cheaper quality of life.

• 2:55:09Joe Rogan?

  And better.

• 2:55:09Speaker 02

  And better, yeah. Where you have space and like, you know, things are more expensive than anywhere else in Texas, probably, for sure. But like, it's still like, gas was under $2. You can get, you can like, rent is stabilizing. It's going down, it's gonna go down. I think a lot of like, California and New York developers came in here, and they were like, Austin's where people are, so we can just build a lot. But in New York and California, you have a finite amount of space. And Austin, you can just build out. And once you build out, like, the rent at my place went down, because people were like, oh, just buy a house out there.

• 2:55:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:55:39Speaker 02

  And no one's living in the apartment complex. And it, like, you know, like-

• 2:55:43Joe Rogan?

  If you live in dripping springs, it's way cheaper and it's only 30 minutes away.

• 2:55:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:55:46Joe Rogan?

  Everywhere in the country, 30 minute commute is normal.

• 2:55:48Speaker 02

  Right. Right, yeah, it's normal. Here, here, it's, what's nice about here is you'll see something that's 15 minutes, it'll be 15 miles. You'll be like, oh, that's, that's normal. That's normal, yeah.

• 2:55:58Joe Rogan?

  Ellie, that's an hour.

• 2:56:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was an hour and a half. No, it was almost two hours. I went from Redondo Beach to fucking Burbank after a podcast at 5. And I was like, oh, I should've just killed myself. That would've been a more effective use of my time.

• 2:56:12Joe Rogan?

  Locked up.

• 2:56:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:56:13Joe Rogan?

  When the 405 or the 5 gets locked up, it's depressing.

• 2:56:16Speaker 02

  Oh, it's hell.

• 2:56:17Joe Rogan?

  That trip down to San Diego, if you want to do the La Jolla store.

• 2:56:20Speaker 02

  You gotta leave early.

• 2:56:21Joe Rogan?

  You gotta leave at noon. Leave at noon. Because that means you'll be down in San Diego right around the time rush hour starts.

• 2:56:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:56:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's it's but yeah, it's just a cheaper place to like for a young comic who like if it's time to move to a place.

• 2:56:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:56:37Speaker 02

  It's like Austin does offer a cheaper quality for quality stage time as well.

• 2:56:42Joe Rogan?

  It's also just a better vibe. There's less tension. There's less people.

• 2:56:46Speaker 02

  Yes, yes. I feel like there are times where I would take a day off in LA. And I feel like I'm falling behind because everyone around you is so frantic. And here it's like, oh, I can breathe. I can actually just enjoy this day off.

• 2:56:59Joe Rogan?

  Which is important.

• 2:57:00Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 2:57:01Joe Rogan?

  You gotta have some kind of balance.

• 2:57:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:57:03Joe Rogan?

  You want to be a little bit frantic, but then you gotta you gotta achieve some balance and let your brain sort of recalibrate, come back on. Just get a new perspective.

• 2:57:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, rest is so we're so this so this grind culture.

• 2:57:16Speaker 04

  For uh.

• 2:57:17Speaker 02

  Oh, here we go.

• 2:57:17Speaker 04

  Get into this though. Same kind of thing. I'll check the account.

• 2:57:20Joe Rogan?

  Fucked up account. Main proponent for the drive to recall Gavin Newsom, California needs to rebuild a better. So it might be a fake person.

• 2:57:28Speaker 04

  And then there's no uh, there's no evidence to like a link or where they got the information from.

• 2:57:33Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:57:33Speaker 04

  Which is why I just checked first, but they they just have a long story here.

• 2:57:36Joe Rogan?

  It just says interview security guard. So it could be total propaganda, right?

• 2:57:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it could be made up from A, you know, you could ask AI to make up a story what it.

• 2:57:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:57:44Speaker 04

  A good story to put on Twitter.

• 2:57:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:57:46Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, just.

• 2:57:46Joe Rogan?

  Have you tried to find it anywhere else? Is it only from this one guy?

• 2:57:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's why I was finding it was Caroline Levitt uh, shared it.

• 2:57:54Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 2:57:54Speaker 04

  This is the.

• 2:57:55Joe Rogan?

  That's the main account where she shared it from?

• 2:57:58Speaker 04

  Stop what you're doing and read this.

• 2:57:59Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:58:01Speaker 04

  I Googled that and she said she's said that a ton of times.

• 2:58:04Speaker 02

  How lo- how long has Caroline Levitt been the press secretary this whole time? Right, aren't they? How quickly do they move past those?

• 2:58:10Joe Rogan?

  They usually last about two years, except for that last lady.

• 2:58:12Speaker 02

  Except for the last one, yeah. I wonder if that set a precedent.

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  She decided to hang in there to bid her end. They were trying to get rid of her. She sucked.

• 2:58:19Speaker 02

  Saint Pierre, right?

• 2:58:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, whatever her name was. It wasn't Saint Pierre.

• 2:58:21Speaker 02

  It wasn't Saint Pierre? I thought it was something like that.

• 2:58:23Joe Rogan?

  Corrine Jean-Pierre.

• 2:58:25Speaker 02

  Okay, yeah, it was something Pierre. It was something Pierre, yeah, yeah.

• 2:58:27Joe Rogan?

  Bro, she was terrible.

• 2:58:29Speaker 02

  She did forever.

• 2:58:29Joe Rogan?

  And again, the president is committed. The president, like she would do like the Obama thing with her fingers.

• 2:58:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:58:36Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of here. They just try, she had to lie all the time, like that's her job.

• 2:58:42Speaker 02

  Dead person.

• 2:58:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's hard to do, that's, that's pretty like, you know, you have to, you have to keep juggling a lot to be like, oh, this dead person's still alive.

• 2:58:49Joe Rogan?

  I thought he was gonna die like immediately after he left office. I'm like, he's gonna die soon, like real soon.

• 2:58:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's kinda wild he's kept going.

• 2:58:56Joe Rogan?

  But every now and then he'll, they'll trot him out and he'll start talking.

• 2:58:59Speaker 02

  He'll be at an Eagles game, he's like, yeah, you know what's going on.

• 2:59:02Joe Rogan?

  But every now and then they'll, they'll, he'll talk. They still let him talk. Like, there's been a few of those where he'll talk like, thank god you didn't win. Jesus Christ, if you came back, if, you know, they never replaced Kamala with you, and you won, or you with Kamala, and you won, and you're this guy now?

• 2:59:22Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. Well, he, he fucked them by not bowing out.

• 2:59:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like, let him, at least let him have a primary. Cause, cause then it just became Kamala versus Trump and the whole like, oh, vote for me to fight fascism, but no one voted for you in the first place.

• 2:59:36Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, if they had a primary, who do you think would have been it? They probably would have made her, she would probably, the, the Democrats would have decided on her anyway, I think.

• 2:59:45Speaker 02

  Cause it would have been too soon for Newsom to run, he still has that stink of covid on him, so he's, that's why he waited for this, this go around. Yeah, it's been enough, people have forgotten covid enough. It's been more than half, it's been half a decade since. It, people's minds, like, people's political memories are so short. That, yeah, two thousand twenty-eight, that's so far away from covid that he, he can, he can just be like, ah, I did fine, or whatever the fuck.

• 3:00:07Joe Rogan?

  Do you think so?

• 3:00:08Speaker 02

  I think so. I, enough to, enough to run, enough to probably get the nomination.

• 3:00:13Joe Rogan?

  You think he's gonna get the nomination?

• 3:00:14Speaker 02

  Who else?

• 3:00:15Joe Rogan?

  I feel like someone else can rise over the next three years.

• 3:00:18Speaker 02

  Someone, someone else would have, if it had been an Obama thing, it would be like someone would be rising in this upcoming midterm. So if there's someone like that, maybe, but.

• 3:00:28Joe Rogan?

  All it takes is someone who's a compelling speaker, who's not demonstrably full of shit. Cause the, the thing about him is he's so vulnerable to any kind of a debate. When someone starts talking about the fraud and waste in California, how about the high-speed rail? They spent billions of dollars, it's like, nothing, nothing. Like, soon, we're gonna get it done soon.

• 3:00:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:00:45Joe Rogan?

  There's so much fraud, so much waste.

• 3:00:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I don't think they have anything, cause you can, right now, all you can, you can just run on like, I'm not Trump. And that'll be enough to get people being like, yeah, he's not Trump.

• 3:00:57Joe Rogan?

  What about that Josh Shapiro guy, the guy who's governor of Pennsylvania?

• 3:01:01Speaker 02

  Maybe. I don't know, it's just, to me, it's like a, it's just like a politi- a popularity contest, and he's making a lot of noise. Lot of people upset at the Jews right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a fair point. Yeah. That's a fair.

• 3:01:13Joe Rogan?

  Shapiro, hmm.

• 3:01:15Speaker 02

  It just seems like, hmm, yeah, that's a good point. It just seems like he's the one making the most noise. And we're getting, we're getting towards crunch time. Not really, but like, it's the closer we get to the midterms and there's no other big voice. It makes me feel like it's gonna be him.

• 3:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, clearly, he wants to do it.

• 3:01:34Speaker 02

  He definitely wants to do it. Yeah. And he might just be powerful politically enough to win that nomination.

• 3:01:39Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if that guy fucks up San Francisco, fucks up California, and then goes on to fuck up the whole country.

• 3:01:45Speaker 02

  Oh, it's very possible. I think, maybe not very possible, but I think it's, it's a, it's an outcome.

• 3:01:52Speaker 02

  It's an outcome. He's definitely running. It's gonna be, it's, I don't know what that ticket's gonna be, but. They're gonna make us all trans. Yeah, it was gonna be like, it's gonna be like a Newsom, Crockett. That's my early call of what they're gonna try to run.

• 3:02:03Joe Rogan?

  No, shut the fuck up. Are you kidding?

• 3:02:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think so. I think they're trying, yeah, yeah, I think that's who they're, cause she, she's very revered.

• 3:02:10Joe Rogan?

  Not AOC?

• 3:02:11Speaker 02

  Maybe AOC.

• 3:02:12Joe Rogan?

  I think AOC is more reasonable.

• 3:02:14Speaker 02

  AOC is much more reasonable, for sure.

• 3:02:17Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see when Crockett and Marjorie Taylor Greene start going after, back and forth with each other, insulting each other and yelling at each other?

• 3:02:22Speaker 02

  No, that's, oh yeah, I did, I did see that. That's a very, very fun moment.

• 3:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wants to be a representative. That's the thing. It's like, all these successful business people and academics, like, they don't wanna do that.

• 3:02:37Speaker 02

  No, it's all like lawyers and like, yeah.

• 3:02:39Joe Rogan?

  And creeps.

• 3:02:39Speaker 02

  And creeps. Yeah, that's the only, well, it's like, it's one of those things where, you're right, the person who wants to do it probably isn't, or person who should do it probably isn't gonna wanna do it.

• 3:02:48Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 3:02:49Speaker 02

  Cause you do have to make decisions that negatively affect millions of people's lives sometimes.

• 3:02:53Joe Rogan?

  And you gotta grease the pockets of your donors.

• 3:02:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, and to be like a regular guy and wanna do that was probably would tear you apart.

• 3:03:03Speaker 02

  To be like, ah, here's a decision that'll kill people. You gotta be kind of a sociopath.

• 3:03:07Joe Rogan?

  What's really fucked is how much of an impact people like us have on elections now. That's what's nuts. Like, podcasters have a big impact on elections now.

• 3:03:16Speaker 02

  Well, that's how-

• 3:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Which is really weird.

• 3:03:17Speaker 02

  That's how much the mainstream media has kind of lost its lead.

• 3:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Dropped the ball.

• 3:03:21Speaker 02

  Dropped the ball hardcore.

• 3:03:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just by being unreliable. Like, being people that you can't trust.

• 3:03:27Speaker 02

  And uncensored conversation is like, people are gonna trust them more, because this is how, this is how people talk to their friends more often than not.

• 3:03:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:03:34Speaker 02

  Than like, oh, I can't say this because this sponsor's gonna be mad at me.

• 3:03:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:03:38Speaker 02

  You know? Like, this is, this is just a much more accessible way of finding out people's real thoughts.

• 3:03:43Joe Rogan?

  And a lot of it is just how we talk. I mean, this, there's been so many times we've been in the green room that totally it could have been a podcast.

• 3:03:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Just put a camera on it, live in the green room. It would fuck up the vibe.

• 3:03:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:03:55Joe Rogan?

  But it would be a great podcast.

• 3:03:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would.

• 3:03:57Joe Rogan?

  It would fuck up the vibe.

• 3:03:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would, it would lose that quality that would make it a good podcast, if we were trying to actually podcast.

• 3:04:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Definitely, definitely. Alright, brother. Well, I'll see you tonight.

• 3:04:07Speaker 02

  I'll see you tonight.

• 3:04:08Joe Rogan?

  And tell everybody your special, it's out, it's on YouTube, it's right now.

• 3:04:11Speaker 02

  It's called Too Soon. Check it out. It's, uh, I'm very proud of this material.

• 3:04:15Joe Rogan?

  It's great material, man. And you've been killing it. You've been killing it at the club. And the new stuff's fantastic, too.

• 3:04:19Speaker 02

  Thank you. And yeah, I'll go to a sauna-

• 3:04:21Joe Rogan?

  Look at that hair. Look at that hair.

• 3:04:23Speaker 02

  Every time I've been on here, I've had different hair. Today, today I went cornrows.

• 3:04:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You've had the cornrows for a while now, right?

• 3:04:30Speaker 02

  Uh, just a week or so. I did it for a sketch, and then I was like, I kinda like this. Yeah, it's crazy for this guy, this hairline to have cornrows.

• 3:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Alright, my brother. Appreciate you. See you tonight.

• 3:04:40Speaker 02

  See you tonight.

• 3:04:41Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.