First Lady Jill Biden Pt 4 Life-Changing Lessons on Staying Strong, Defying the Odds, Loyalty & Love

FIRST TIME EVER, First Lady Dr. Jill Biden is here with you and me, in person in this final part 4 of our incredible conversation on the Jamie Kern Lima Show! And she’s opening up and sharing things she’s never shared before…including revelations on President Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, President Trump, ALL of the candidates everyone is buzzing about for 2028, just how she learned proper etiquette and how to carry a conversation at a dinner party and so much more! Her life, her incredible career and her legacy that’s still very much in the making! We truly talk about all the things, and no questions are off limits! I even ask her the ones you’ve submitted and she answers them…all of them! She’s truly revealing all, and shares stories, behind-the-curtain insights and life-changing lessons she’s never shared before! Get ready to cry, to be in a bit of shock and to gain soul-filling inspiration! And when I say we talk about all the things, we truly talk about all the things! From questions on regrets, to President Biden’s health, to exactly what happened that night during the debate with President Trump, to how was it possible no one knew President Biden had stage 4 cancer, to the state of our country. From HER incredible life so far, to how she’s handled it all, from the devastating loss of one child to cancer and having another battling addiction…to how she handles haters and critics and friends who betray her…to how she and Joe summitted the highest peak possible in politics…the White House… She has a brand new book out called View From The East Wing, you can get it anywhere books are sold and it’s also on Audible where the first lady herself reads it to you. And Today, she’s opening up like never before and nothing is off limits! Also, I’m so grateful for your love and loyalty to this show, and there’s something I want to quickly share personally from me to you. I’ve had republicans, democrats and independents on this show - ranging from First Lady Michelle Obama in a special 3-part interview to actor Kelsey Grammer sharing his support of President Trump to James Talarico, one of the most momentous rising stars in politics right now. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love…I have guests on that might vote differently, love differently or pray differently from you and me because I believe: To heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up! I am SO Happy you are here…no matter how you vote, you love or you pray, you belong here! Also, I’m so grateful for your love and loyalty to this show, and there’s something I want to quickly share personally from me to you. I’ve had republicans, democrats and independents on this show - ranging from First Lady Michelle Obama in a special 3-part interview to actor Kelsey Grammer sharing his support of President Trump to James Talarico, one of the most momentous rising stars in politics right now. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love…I have guests on that might vote differently, love differently or pray differently from you and me because I believe: To heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up! I am SO Happy you are here…no matter how you vote, you love or you pray, you belong here! And I have to say, I’m so excited to share today’s conversation with you! And if you could take 2 seconds and hit the subscribe button on the ap you’re listening or watching on…that way you’ll be the very first to get every inspirational episode! And whether you're joining me today for yourself or because someone that you love shared this episode with you, I want to welcome you to the Jamie Kern Lima Show podcast family. And remember this episode is not just for you and me. Please share it with every single person that you know because it can change their life too. ____ Chapters: 0:00 Welcome to The Jamie Kern Lima Show 10:00 First Lady Jill Biden On President Trump 17:56 First Lady Dr. Jill Biden On Handling Haters & Critics 24:11 First Lady Jill Biden On President Bidens Private Released Audio Clips 28:50 How First Lady Jill Biden Learned The Art Of Conversation It’s such an honor to share this podcast together with you. And please note: I am not a licensed therapist, and this podcast is NOT intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional. 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• 0:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  President Biden's conversations with his biographer were just released in the form of some audio clips that he fought for years to not be released that talk about classified material. What can you share about that?

• 0:14Speaker 01

  They were personal conversations, and I don't think they should have been released.

• 0:19Jamie Kern Lima?

  President Trump's 80 right now. Do you think there should be an age limit on public servants being in elected office?

• 0:27Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 0:30Jamie Kern Lima?

  Coming up in this incredible Part Four episode with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. I read your book cover to cover. Congratulations.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, how many books do you read?

• 0:42Jamie Kern Lima?

  Oh, my gosh. Do you believe our elections are fair now going into midterms? How do you handle and process and not get taken down by any naysayers or haters?

• 0:55Speaker 01

  Jamie, if you look at the first line of my book, "Once you experience the death of a child, nothing else can hurt you."

• 1:09Jamie Kern Lima?

  I don't know that I've seen you get emotional.

• 1:11Speaker 01

  I told you, I'm not a crier. And, you know, I was, you know, not quite steeled for the beginning of the interview, I guess.

• 1:18Jamie Kern Lima?

  I mean, your heart is open, and I'm grateful for that. How did it feel in your body when President Trump won?

• 1:25Speaker 01

  I was shocked.

• 1:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  Who do you think will be the Democratic nominee for 2028? If it's Vance, Rubio, or Trump, which I know you can't do a third term, but if it's Vance, Rubio, or Trump, what would your guess be?

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, then, how would it be Trump?

• 1:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  Legally, I don't think it could currently.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  No, it, no. I mean, isn't it in the Constitution?

• 1:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yeah, and so are a lot of things.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:54Jamie Kern Lima?

  In your book, you describe Melania as frosty. You mentioned she declined your invite to tea, and she hasn't invited you to tea, which is normally a First Lady tradition, that you've sent a birthday card every year, but that the openness to connection was not reciprocated. If it were to be reciprocated today, and you get an invite to tea, and you go to tea with Melania, what would you, what would you say or ask?

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Uh, I probably...

• 2:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  Did you watch the Melania documentary? I watched it.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 2:30Jamie Kern Lima?

  I did, yeah. Are we going to expect to see a Jill Biden documentary? Is it true the staff and teams for the president are sometimes competing against the staff and teams for the vice president?

• 2:41Speaker 01

  No, we worked, we were, oh, the vice president.

• 2:44Jamie Kern Lima?

  First word that comes to mind when I say the following words or people: Michelle Obama, Jenna Bush Hager, the East Wing, AOC, Gavin Newsom, Texas Rep. James Talarico, Kamala Harris, President Trump.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Skip.

• 3:01Jamie Kern Lima?

  When do you think we'll have a woman president?

• 3:04Speaker 01

  Not in my lifetime.

• 3:06Jamie Kern Lima?

  You and I are both waitresses. I learned a lot of things at Denny's when I was waitressing. How did you learn to have interesting conversations, to talk at a dinner party, to know how to have proper manners? Did someone teach you?

• 3:20Speaker 01

  You had to pick it up. I mean, it's survival.

• 3:23Jamie Kern Lima?

  Did you ever do etiquette training or like charm school? Or do they have a First Lady crash course? You were saying in a single car ride with you and President Biden, in a single car ride, you can see someone saluting you, someone giving you the finger, and someone mooning you.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  All in the same car ride.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Did I ever moon somebody?

• 3:43Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yes, no, did you?

• 3:44Speaker 01

  My God.

• 3:45Jamie Kern Lima?

  No, no, have you and President Biden, because you know, you're behind the windows of Secret Service, you know, you're in the, no one can see you. Have you ever, or President Biden ever, like, given them the finger back? Do you swear?

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Oh, God, yes.

• 3:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you have a favorite word?

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Joe hates it, hates it when I swear.

• 4:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah?

• 4:04Speaker 01

  But I know I can win a fight if I use certain words.

• 4:08Jamie Kern Lima?

  What does it start with?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Jamie.

• 4:12Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah? First Lady Dr. Jill Biden made history as the first First Lady to hold a full-time job as a college professor while also serving in her full-time role in the White House and across the country as our First Lady. She's carried unimaginable tragedies and loss, from losing her son Beau to cancer to her other son Hunter battling extreme drug addiction to now-President Joe Biden being diagnosed with stage-four metastatic cancer. And she has a brand-new book out called "View from the East Wing." You can get it anywhere books are sold, and it's also on Audible, where the First Lady herself reads it to you. And today, she's opening up like never before,

• 4:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  and nothing is off limits. I am so happy you're here and so excited for this conversation we're having together today with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love. I have guests on that might vote differently or love differently or pray differently from you and me, because I believe to help heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up. And I am so happy that you are here. No matter how you vote, how you love, how you pray, you belong here. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone shared this episode with you, welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show Podcast family.

• 5:42Jamie Kern Lima?

  I'd be so grateful if you'd take two seconds and just hit the subscribe button on the app, you're listening or watching on. That way, you're going to be the very first to get every inspirational episode. Plus, you can also get weekly inspiration into your inbox from me to you for free. Just join my newsletter at jamiekernlima.com. And thank you so much for sharing this episode with every single person you know who might need some inspiration of their own today or perhaps some hope, because we are all in this one life together. And right now, as the First Lady shares in this episode, President Joe Biden is in the fight of his life battling stage-four cancer. While the First Lady agreed that today, no questions were off limits,

• 6:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  and so I do ask the most pressing questions so many of us want to know, I also want to ask you to join me in praying for President Biden's health and strength and in praying for and sending love to his entire family during this time.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 6:49Jamie Kern Lima?

  Oprah, how have you defied the odds?

• 6:52Speaker 02

  Her show is unlike any I've ever done. A revelation. When you listen, it feels like a hug.

• 6:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  First Lady Michelle Obama.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  Jamie, you are going so deep. I have never had this in-depth conversation.

• 7:07Jamie Kern Lima?

  I've actually never said that out loud to anybody in an interview before. You know how to get there.

• 7:13Speaker 02

  Your brain and your spirit and your heart is like, wow.

• 7:17Jamie Kern Lima?

  Melinda French Gates.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  When I look into Jamie's eyes, I feel like I am on some other cosmic level with her.

• 7:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  Meghan, Duchess of Sussex.

• 7:29Speaker 02

  I wasn't expecting that one. I could see the light around her. She's infused with light.

• 7:34Jamie Kern Lima?

  Maria Shriver.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  I never made that mistake again.

• 7:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  Imagine overcoming self-doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima Show.

• 7:50Speaker 02

  Jamie Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in their life.

• 7:54Jamie Kern Lima?

  Jamie Kern Lima.

• 7:58Speaker 02

  Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima.

• 8:04Jamie Kern Lima?

  In your book, one of the things I laughed out loud at was you were saying in a single car ride with you and President Biden, in a single car ride, you can see someone saluting you, someone giving you the finger, and someone mooning you.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:18Jamie Kern Lima?

  All in the same car ride, which I can completely imagine. So here's my question.

• 8:26Speaker 01

  Did I ever moon somebody?

• 8:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yes, no, did you?

• 8:28Speaker 01

  My God.

• 8:29Jamie Kern Lima?

  No, no, have you and President Biden, because you know, you're behind the windows of Secret Service, you know, you're in the, no one can see you. Have you ever, or President Biden ever, like, given them the finger back and they can't see it?

• 8:39Speaker 01

  No.

• 8:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  No.

• 8:41Speaker 01

  That's one thing.

• 8:43Jamie Kern Lima?

  Moon them?

• 8:44Speaker 01

  No, my God, no. Can you imagine the Secret Service if we're mooning somebody?

• 8:48Jamie Kern Lima?

  I think they'd be stoic.

• 8:49Speaker 01

  I mean, honest to God, but really.

• 8:50Jamie Kern Lima?

  They'd be stoic. They wouldn't laugh, I bet.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  You know what? I, I don't like, I think giving somebody the finger is really a vulgar thing.

• 9:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  And, and I have, I don't think I've ever in my life seen Joe do that.

• 9:07Jamie Kern Lima?

  No.

• 9:07Speaker 01

  Ever.

• 9:08Jamie Kern Lima?

  No.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  No.

• 9:10Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you swear?

• 9:11Speaker 01

  Oh, God, yes.

• 9:12Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you have a favorite word? Don't say it, but like, maybe what it starts with?

• 9:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:16Jamie Kern Lima?

  What letter?

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Probably the same one as everybody else uses, because I know it has the biggest impact, because Joe hates it, hates it when I swear.

• 9:26Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  But I know I can win a fight if I use certain words.

• 9:31Jamie Kern Lima?

  What does it start with?

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Jamie.

• 9:34Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah? Does it start with F?

• 9:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 9:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  But he, and he swears, right?

• 9:40Speaker 01

  He does, but, you know, not, not at, like, in the house.

• 9:45Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  I mean, I've heard him swear, like, 100 times, but not like, he, it's not part of his, I don't know, vernacular. I mean, it's just not part of the way he speaks, at least not around the family.

• 9:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 01

  I mean, we have grandkids around a lot.

• 10:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  How did it feel in your body when President Trump won?

• 10:10Speaker 01

  I was shocked he won. I mean, I really thought Kamala was going to win. I mean, I was out on the road for her. I campaigned for her all over this country. I saw the enthusiasm and the energy and everything that was going on. And when I woke up the morning after the election, because I went to bed thinking, oh, she, you know, she's going to win. And when I found out that she lost, I mean, I went, because I was making my coffee. And actually, I think it was Anthony called me and said, have you seen the results? I knew before, you know, when I saw that, I said, oh, my God.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  I ran into the bedroom and I woke Joe up. It was like five in the morning. And I said, why didn't you tell me? Why didn't you wake me up? And he said, I know, you know, she lost. And I was devastated. How did you feel?

• 11:11Jamie Kern Lima?

  I want to believe our elections are fair.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  I know, we really want to believe that because that's what our tradition has been. That's what our belief in our country and our systems. But all of the systems now have broken down. I mean, let's face it, look at the Supreme Court, look at the three branches of government. You know, and so it's so hard to think, I still believe, I still believe.

• 11:35Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you believe our elections are fair now?

• 11:37Speaker 01

  You know, I

• 11:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  Going into midterms?

• 11:40Speaker 01

  I hope they are because I can't, I can't give up on our country as what I believed our country to be. I mean, I am a proud American, as I think most Americans are. And so you have to believe that your vote matters and that whether you mail, you know, mail in your vote or go to the voting place. It's just like, it's like you kind of can't even go there in your head. Like, this is all rigged. But then you see things and you think, you do question.

• 12:20Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  We do question, like, how did this happen? How did it happen? I mean, just all the states that were blue states. I just, I don't have any answers for that.

• 12:35Jamie Kern Lima?

  How does it feel in your body when you see President Trump in person today?

• 12:41Speaker 01

  I don't see him. I don't turn on the TV. I don't listen to him. I don't see him.

• 12:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  What about at an event, you know, a funeral, something like that?

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Oh, if I go to a funeral and see him? You know, I always say the opposite of love is not hate, which you might think it might be. It's indifference. And if you can get yourself to the place of indifference, then you've won the battle. And so I have tried very hard. Because I hate is so negative and it's so, it eats at you and it's time consuming and it's toxic.

• 13:24Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yes.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  If I can say, you know, if I can think, I can get through this, it's going to be over, it's not forever. And and I am not going to let this one person ruin the joy in my life. Then I feel like I have it conquered.

• 13:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  That's beautiful. That's powerful. I love it. Who do you think will be the Democratic nominee for 2028?

• 13:58Speaker 01

  I have no idea. None. I haven't, I don't have any idea. I mean, there's so, we have so many stars, you know, I mean, if you look at Gavin, if you look at, you know, Pritzker, if you look at you know, some of the other people who want to run, Gina Raimondo. Gosh, who else wants to run? Oh, Kamala. You know, we have some really good people in the party. Or there could be somebody like this James Talarico, who, I mean, who I never had heard about before a couple of months ago.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  I mean, it's, you just don't know. You know, somebody could come out of nowhere.

• 14:49Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  And so.

• 14:52Jamie Kern Lima?

  Right now, between a few of the people you named, they'll add a few in, let's say Gavin Newsom, AOC.

• 14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:59Jamie Kern Lima?

  Kamala, Pete Buttigieg.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, Pete.

• 15:02Jamie Kern Lima?

  Pritzker.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  James Talarico from Texas.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  Who would you say, do you see as maybe the most strategic and smart candidate?

• 15:12Speaker 01

  Oh, I

• 15:12Jamie Kern Lima?

  In the party?

• 15:13Speaker 01

  No, I'm not going to answer that. They are all strategic and smart. You know, I don't, not that I want to reveal that, you know, I have a tendency to like some more than others, but I never, and this is the truth, I never, ever tell anybody who I voted for. Even Joe, and even if he asks me, I won't tell him.

• 15:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  You won't tell him?

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Uh-uh.

• 15:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  On the

• 15:40Speaker 01

  So he doesn't, never knows whether I voted for him or not.

• 15:43Jamie Kern Lima?

  Ah. On the Republican side, who do you think is the most likely nominee or?

• 15:51Speaker 01

  Oh, I don't, you know, I said I'm not political. I mean, really, I don't

• 15:55Jamie Kern Lima?

  But if it's Vance, Rubio, or Trump, which I know you can't do a third term, but if it's Vance, Rubio, or Trump, what would your guess be?

• 16:02Speaker 01

  How would it be Trump?

• 16:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  Legally, I don't think it could currently.

• 16:07Speaker 01

  No, it, no. I mean, isn't it in the Constitution?

• 16:13Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah. And so are a lot of things.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:16Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 16:17Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah. So between Vance and Rubio, any thoughts?

• 16:21Speaker 01

  I have no thoughts. Nope. Because I'm not going to be voting for them anyway, so.

• 16:27Jamie Kern Lima?

  You know, I want to ask you this. I've had the gift and blessing of having, in addition to you, some of the most incredible people in the world on this podcast, like people I admire their life, what they've gone through, and I want to ask this for everyone listening because we are now in a day and age of social media, of online. I mean, doctors that don't want to profile or, or the real estate, whoever doesn't want to be public, but now they're getting Yelp reviews and they're online and like, it's just like they're having to build a personal brand. And I feel like you can't do anything, anybody. A teacher, anybody can't do anything without now facing public

• 17:11Speaker 01

  Scrutiny?

• 17:11Jamie Kern Lima?

  Scrutiny. And, you know, in the past, there'd be someone that just didn't want to be in photos ever. Now they have no choice. Everything's online. They have to be on Zooms. The magnitude of anybody, not you specifically, anybody in the kind of public role and how high profile of a public role that you are in and have been in. The amount of, of opposition, of haters, of scrutiny, all of that. I want to ask this for everyone at home who's going, my friend in high school wrote this on Facebook and I want to cry and not even go after my dream anymore because it's, it hurt me what they said.

• 17:56Jamie Kern Lima?

  How do you handle and process and not get taken down by any naysayers or haters? What is your advice for all of us?

• 18:05Speaker 01

  You know, I've had my share. I mean, just like most people in the public eye. And I think it's, I don't know, part of my philosophy of life. I mean, you've got to have this inner strength and say, you know, I know who I am. I know I'm stronger than this. I know that I can persevere. And yes, it may hurt. But I can get past this. And and I think, Jamie, if you look at the first line of my book,

• 18:49Speaker 01

  "Once you experience the death of a child, nothing else can hurt you." And that is the most truthful thing I can say to you.

• 19:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  You got your doctorate at the age of 55.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  55, yeah.

• 19:07Jamie Kern Lima?

  Which is so inspiring for so many people.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 19:09Jamie Kern Lima?

  When it comes to, I always believed that it's never too late to go after your dreams, to pursue things.

• 19:15Speaker 01

  I do too.

• 19:15Jamie Kern Lima?

  When it comes to politics, President Trump's 80 right now. Do you think there should be an age limit on public servants being in elected office?

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 19:28Jamie Kern Lima?

  What do you think it should be?

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  I don't know. I never thought about it. It has to be somewhere in the eighties, I guess.

• 19:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  Eighties. Yeah. In your book, you describe Melania as frosty.

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Did I actually use the word frosty?

• 19:50Jamie Kern Lima?

  Use the word frosty. I have it in quotes here. You use the word frosty in the car ride to the inauguration.

• 19:58Jamie Kern Lima?

  And that you mentioned she declined your invite to tea and she hasn't invited you to tea, which is normally a first lady tradition. That you've sent a birthday card every year, but that the openness to connection was not reciprocated. If it were to be reciprocated today and you get an invite to tea and you go to tea with Melania, what would you, what would you say or ask?

• 20:24Speaker 01

  I probably wouldn't get personal. I think I would just ask the sorts of things she was working on and what was important to her.

• 20:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  Did you watch the Melania documentary?

• 20:36Speaker 01

  No.

• 20:36Jamie Kern Lima?

  No. I watched it.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  Oh, you did?

• 20:38Jamie Kern Lima?

  I did, yeah. Are we going to expect to see a Jill Biden documentary?

• 20:42Speaker 01

  Oh, I haven't thought about it. But what did you think about Melania's documentary?

• 20:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  I love documentaries. Like, I love them. Whether I believe it's accurate or I believe it's how someone wants to be portrayed, I find it fascinating. I find it fascinating to go, what's included, what's shown from behind the scenes? You know, we had Michelle Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama on the show. And I love hearing her share her story from behind the scenes. Same with your book. Your book, though, goes into so many parts of life that we can all actually relate to. Real stuff, addiction, family, keeping a family together, how do you handle loss? Like, your documentary would be phenomenal. So I think, I hope this book.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  Now I'll think about it.

• 21:28Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, I hope this book becomes a documentary. Okay, I'm going to do lightning round. So these are, these are questions that people have written in and want to ask. And then some of these are just first words that come to mind. First words that come to mind.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Oh, this is scary.

• 21:41Jamie Kern Lima?

  First word that comes to mind when I say the following words or people. Michelle Obama.

• 21:47Speaker 01

  Oh, gosh. Amazing.

• 21:51Jamie Kern Lima?

  Jenna Bush Hager.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Warm.

• 21:54Jamie Kern Lima?

  I love both of them. I know they both love you. The East Wing.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  Gone.

• 22:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  AOC.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  Oh, I love her.

• 22:04Jamie Kern Lima?

  Gavin Newsom.

• 22:06Speaker 01

  I love him, too.

• 22:08Jamie Kern Lima?

  Texas Rep James Talarico.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  I've not met him, but I'm hopeful. That's my word, hopeful.

• 22:14Jamie Kern Lima?

  He was phenomenal on this show.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I saw it, so.

• 22:18Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, he's so good.

• 22:18Speaker 01

  I can't wait to meet him.

• 22:20Jamie Kern Lima?

  He's great. You know, you meet someone, you're like, oh, thank, thank goodness, they're, they're, they are who they say they are. It's just Kamala Harris.

• 22:31Speaker 01

  Kamala. What word would I use?

• 22:38Speaker 01

  Friend.

• 22:39Jamie Kern Lima?

  President Trump.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Skip.

• 22:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  When do you think we'll have a woman president?

• 22:48Speaker 01

  Not in my lifetime. And I'm 75. So, you know, that doesn't, I don't know how that looks for the next, hopefully, 15, 20 years, but.

• 23:00Jamie Kern Lima?

  At least with AI, they're saying it could be, could be way longer.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 23:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 23:07Speaker 01

  I don't understand it either. We have so many good women.

• 23:10Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, I know.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  I mean, really amazing, amazing women.

• 23:16Jamie Kern Lima?

  So these are questions from viewers. Is it true the staff and teams for the president are sometimes competing against the staff and teams for the vice president?

• 23:24Speaker 01

  We were, oh, the vice president. You know, I don't know, because we, I mean, there's, they, I think they work together beautifully. But, I mean, everybody gets, you know, something in their craw now and again. But, I mean, they are a team. We always felt that Kamala and Doug were a team. And I always, I mean, I traveled with Doug. He became a teacher. I don't know whether you know that. And so we talk about teaching all the time. So I felt, I felt we were a true team.

• 23:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Do you think Michelle Obama should run for office?

• 24:00Speaker 01

  No, because she doesn't want to.

• 24:03Jamie Kern Lima?

  Why didn't we see Kamala doing anything visible for four years?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Oh, my gosh. I don't feel that way at all.

• 24:12Jamie Kern Lima?

  Don't get mad at me for this one. President Biden's conversations with his biographer were just released in the form of some audio clips that he fought for years to not be released that talk about classified material. What can you share about that?

• 24:31Speaker 01

  They were personal conversations, and I don't think they should have been released.

• 24:35Jamie Kern Lima?

  Greatest life lesson you've ever received?

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Be kind.

• 24:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  What do you want people to remember you for?

• 24:44Speaker 01

  Well, I hope that they remember me as, I don't know. Like I said, I wanted to be a reflection of American women. And I felt that I'm a mom, I'm a grandmom, I'm a sister, I'm a wife, I'm a working woman.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  And I hope that women and men see me as someone that they could.

• 25:19Speaker 01

  I hope that they see parts of me in themselves and they feel that we have a lot in common. Because I wanted to be a reflection of who I feel American women are.

• 25:33Jamie Kern Lima?

  How does it feel to know you will be in history books forever?

• 25:38Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 25:39Jamie Kern Lima?

  As among many things, the first first lady to ever work a full-time job. One of the reasons I'm so excited.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  I'm proud of that.

• 25:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, it's so badass. Sorry to say badass to the first lady, but it's so badass. One of the reasons I'm excited for everyone to get your new book, View from the West Wing Home, is it shows all the layers of your life and all the things that you've carried, the things you've stood for. It's easy to stand for things when times are easy, but to stand for them through hardships, to stand for them when you could push the easy button instead.

• 26:17Jamie Kern Lima?

  The things that you have navigated and carried. And I think we've had a number of incredible first ladies in our history.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  We've all carried different things, I think.

• 26:28Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and I thought I knew a lot before I read the book. I learned so much. And so much that I connect with. And it made me really excited for this, this conversation. And it makes me excited for everyone who's going to get your book home, right? Because I think so many of us, when we connect and we share and we learn and we bond and we feel less alone and we feel more inspired and we see, okay, if this person overcame that odds or this person feels that way too, and they're actually admitting it, okay, I'm not alone in this. And I want to say on behalf of all women and all Americans, thank you.

• 27:05Jamie Kern Lima?

  You've been in this a number of decades in many capacities, as a, as a professor, as someone who loves your students, as someone who could be doing, you know, you name it as first lady, but you're also grading papers, traveling to and from places because you're so passionate about what you do. And I think, you know, the lessons you share in here that you give to your daughter, your son, your grandkids, are lessons that I feel like you're sharing with us in this book. And, and so I want to say thank you for that. And the last thing I want to make sure I don't forget to ask you is for everyone out there who was maybe raised like me,

• 27:47Jamie Kern Lima?

  where I have five families, I'm like working multiple jobs. I know you and I are both waitresses. I learned a lot of things at Denny's when I was waitressing, but I did not learn how do you conduct. I've been in rooms now, Jill, where, I know you said call you Jill, I want to say First Lady Dr. Biden. I've been in rooms now where I'm like, I don't even know where to put the fork or the napkin or, okay, there's 100 people in this room. I don't know any of them. How do I start talking about stuff with people?

• 28:18Speaker 01

  So which fork do you use?

• 28:21Jamie Kern Lima?

  Like, just how did you learn? Because you say, you know, President Biden's very extroverted. He will talk to everyone all day long and just get filled up and love it. And you and I are more similar. I'm more introverted.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Isn't that funny?

• 28:35Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  Because you do this whole podcast.

• 28:37Jamie Kern Lima?

  Public thing, but yeah, I'm so, like, I'm the one that listens in rooms. Like, I just, and, and so for anyone introverted out there, and you share a lot about this in your book as well. What is your advice just on for someone who wants to learn? You know, how did you learn to carry a conversation at a dinner party? To carry a conversation in a room that's like a cocktail hour when you really don't want to talk to anyone? You want to go home in your PJs and like watch Housewives or something? Or, or you'll probably do something more sophisticated than that, but I'd want to go in my PJs. But like, how did you learn to have interesting conversation? To talk at a dinner party? To know how to have proper manners?

• 29:16Speaker 01

  I don't know, just practice, I guess.

• 29:18Jamie Kern Lima?

  Yeah, did someone teach you?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  No, no, I just, you had to pick it up. I mean, it's survival. And I knew, like speaking, public speaking. I was scared to death as a senator's wife to go and speak in public. I mean, I could go into any classroom in America and feel totally in control. But, but I was scared to death. I kind of felt like if I had to go speak somewhere, it felt like I was going to go to the dentist. You know, that kind of fear you have. And I just made up my mind, you know, I've got to get good at this. And I'm going to be doing it and I want to be good at it. I want people to hear what I'm saying and not be bored by my speeches or what I'm saying.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  And that's important to me. It was important to me as a teacher, important to me as a political spouse. Important to me, you know, just with my friends that, you know, they want to be with me.

• 30:19Jamie Kern Lima?

  Did you ever do etiquette training? Or like charm school? Or do they have a first lady crash course?

• 30:27Speaker 01

  No, they don't have anything like that. But when I was second lady, I remember I did have someone come in and train the staff about what to use and where to put your napkin and what this? And I taught my grandkids. I mean, I showed them because, well, I make them set the table. So they have, do you make your kids set the table?

• 30:50Jamie Kern Lima?

  Uh, yes, but it's not very classy yet. It's like, can you get a paper towel? And, you know, most nights, most nights, so we haven't learned it formally yet. But I do make them do chores and set the table and feed the dogs, yes.

• 31:01Speaker 01

  So you just learn by experience? And heck, I mean, now there's so much online, you could find anything for, you know, for any situation. You just have to look it up.

• 31:10Jamie Kern Lima?

  Look it up.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  But you just, you know, observe other people and, I don't know, see what you admire. And it always helps if you have a sense of humor. So if you can laugh and laugh at yourself, you know, and make mistakes and just laugh about it. That's, that's half the battle.

• 31:29Jamie Kern Lima?

  I am so grateful that you're here. I'm grateful for this conversation. I'm grateful for your heart just wide open. I don't know that I've seen you get emotional, like I'm.

• 31:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I told you, I'm not a crier and, you know, I was, you know, not quite steeled for the beginning of the interview, I guess.

• 31:46Jamie Kern Lima?

  I mean, your heart is open and I'm grateful for that. And I think that, I think that's, you know, and it's wide open in your book. And everyone needs to get a copy of your brand new book. And give it to everyone you know also, who maybe is, you know, needing to hold on to their identity in a new season. Or who is experiencing loss or grief or questioning their faith? Or wanting to unite their family or has a loved one, whether it's a partner or anyone else in their life, going through an illness or is finding themselves in a caretaker role? And finding themselves, you know, in their seventies and still has so much of the world to take on with passion.

• 32:30Jamie Kern Lima?

  Your book is a gift and View from the East Wing, and it's out everywhere books are sold. And I love that you read it. So make sure you grab your audio copy on Audible as well. And I hope you'll come back for your next book.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 32:44Jamie Kern Lima?

  And, and tell Joe to come on for his book in November. His book's coming out in November. Thank you for giving us a little like sneak peek about that. It's a big deal. And thank you.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Well, thank you. This has been a gift. Thank you, Jamie.

• 32:57Jamie Kern Lima?

  Remember, this episode's not just for you and me. Please share this with every single person that you know, because it can impact and change their life too. And if you loved today's episode, please click the follow or subscribe button for the show on the app you're listening to it on or watching it on. And if it added value to your life, if you could please give it a rating or review, five stars, really, really good. I'd be so grateful. And again, share it with everyone that you believe in. Share it with another person in your life who maybe could benefit from it or is making a change in their life or carrying grief or just needs hope and inspiration. You can also post the episode and share it with others online or in your community who just might need the words and tools and lessons in this episode today.

• 33:40Jamie Kern Lima?

  You never know whose life you're meant to change today by sharing this episode. And thank you so much for joining me today. But before you go, I want to share some words with you that couldn't be more true. You, right now, exactly as you are, are enough and fully worthy. You're worthy of your greatest hopes, your wildest dreams and all the unconditional love in the world. And it's an honor to welcome you to each and every episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. Here, I hope you'll come as you are, heal where you need, blossom what you choose, journey toward your calling and stay as long as you'd like, because you belong here. You are worthy, you are loved, you are love.

• 34:21Jamie Kern Lima?

  I love you and I cannot wait to join you on the next episode of the Jamie Kern Lima Show. And please note, I'm not a licensed therapist and this podcast is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional.