241. Josh Bruni: EMF Mitigation, NFL Stadium Controversies & the Impact on Reproductive Health

Modern life imposes an invisible "stress tax" on your nervous system through complex and chaotic electromagnetic fields that disrupt cellular timing and mitochondrial function. Aires CEO Josh Bruni joins me to explain why structuring these chaotic signals is the essential next step in environmental wellness. By mitigating this "invisible noise," you allow your body to stop fighting its environment and start functioning as it was meant to. CLICK HERE TO BECOME GARYS VIP!: https://bit.ly/4ai0Xwg Connect with Josh Bruni Website: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze YouTube: https://bit.ly/4a3Dz60 Instagram: https://bit.ly/4a3MyV2 Facebook: https://bit.ly/3OakMyx X: https://bit.ly/4bpkm0Z LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/3ZFora8 Thank you to our partners A-GAME: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: http://bit.ly/4kek1ij AION: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4h6KHAD AIRES: "ULTIMATE20 " FOR 20% OFF: https://bit.ly/4a3Duze BAJA GOLD: "ULTIMATE10" FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3WSBqUa BODYHEALTH: “ULTIMATE20” FOR 20% OFF: http://bit.ly/4e5IjsV CARAWAY: “ULTIMATE” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/3Q1VmkC COLD LIFE: THE ULTIMATE HUMAN PLUNGE: https://bit.ly/4eULUKp GENETIC METHYLATION TEST (UK ONLY): https://bit.ly/48QJJrk GENETIC TEST (USA ONLY): ⁠https://bit.ly/3Yg1Uk9 GOPUFF: GET YOUR FAVORITE SNACK!: https://bit.ly/4obIFDC H2TABS: “ULTIMATE10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4hMNdgg HEALF: 10% OFF YOUR ORDER: https://bit.ly/41HJg6S PEPTUAL: “TUH10” FOR 10% OFF: https://bit.ly/4mKxgcn RHO NUTRITION: “ULTIMATE15” FOR 15% OFF: https://bit.ly/44fFza0 SNOOZE: LET’S GET TO SLEEP!: https://bit.ly/4pt1T6V WHOOP: JOIN AND GET 1 FREE MONTH!: https://bit.ly/3VQ0nzW Watch the “Ultimate Human Podcast” every Tuesday & Thursday at 9AM EST: YouTube: https://bit.ly/3RPQYX8 Podcasts: https://bit.ly/3RQftU0 Connect with Gary Brecka Instagram: https://bit.ly/3RPpnFs TikTok: https://bit.ly/4coJ8fo X: https://bit.ly/3Opc8tf Facebook: https://bit.ly/464VA1H LinkedIn: https://bit.ly/4hH7Ri2 Website: https://bit.ly/4eLDbdU Merch: https://bit.ly/4aBpOM1 Newsletter: https://bit.ly/47ejrws Ask Gary: https://bit.ly/3PEAJuG Timestamps 00:00 Intro of Show 04:15 EMFs: Definition, Effects, and How to Mitigate Them 22:31 Blocking vs. Mitigating EMFs 29:42 EMF Mitigation Technology 35:18 Environment and Stress’s Impact on Our Body 40:41 40 STUDIES on EMFs: https://bit.ly/4sY3810 44:09 Restructuring EMF to Neutralise Physiological Impact 45:39 How Bad is the Complexity of 5G for People? 51:55 Where to Start in Mitigating EMF Exposure 1:00:53 Modern Vehicles’ Designs Risks 1:04:16 Hypersensitivity with EMFs 1:08:59 Mitigating EMF Exposure in Your Own Home 1:14:28 Are Women More Sensitive to EMFs than Men? 1:19:54 Equating the Frequency of Connected Devices 1:28:49 What does it mean to you to be an Ultimate Human? Disclaimer: This podcast is for informational purposes only and does not provide medical advice. It is not intended for diagnosing or treating any health condition. Always consult a licensed healthcare professional before making health or wellness decisions. Gary Brecka is the owner of Ultimate Human, LLC which operates The Ultimate Human podcast and promotes certain third-party products used by Gary Brecka in his personal health and wellness protocols and daily life and for which Ultimate Human LLC and / or Gary Brecka directly or indirectly holds an economic interest or receives compensation. Accordingly, statements made by Gary Brecka and others (including on The Ultimate Human podcast) may be considered promotional in nature. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  If you want to have Wi-Fi in your house, you should do everything to make sure that that Wi-Fi signal is as clear and clean as possible. The better the signal, the less EMF, because the less complex the field is.

• 0:11Gary Brecka?

  Our environments now, because of convenience, have become highly toxic.

• 0:15Speaker 00

  I do think that our worlds are so densely saturated now with electromagnetic fields, but we do know that on a daily basis, that it does introduce stress into the system.

• 0:25Gary Brecka?

  By creating uniformity in this field, the body has harmony rather than this just widely changing, constant environment. It's having to shift its adaptation less frequently.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  Aries' approach was, how do we control the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing?

• 0:42Gary Brecka?

  What benefit do you get from using something that is mitigating the effects of the EMF?

• 0:47Speaker 00

  The one thing that I would say, is again, going back to the physics side, is...

• 1:04Gary Brecka?

  Hey guys, welcome back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything: anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. Now buckle up, because today's episode is going to blow your mind. And it might just explain why you're exhausted, why you can't sleep, and why your body feels like it's aging faster than it should. My guest is Josh Bruni from Aries Tech, and we're diving into one of the most overlooked health stressors of the modern era: electromagnetic fields. Now, before you roll your eyes and think tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, stay with me, because what Josh is going to explain has nothing to do with blocking EMFs or wrapping yourself in a Faraday cage.

• 1:44Gary Brecka?

  In fact, he's going to prove why blocking EMFs actually makes your exposure worse. In this conversation, Josh is going to reveal why your body is an electrical being, and how EMF disrupts ion channels, calcium gating, and ATP production at a cellular level. The physics breakthrough that changed everything. It's not about power, it's about chaos and overlapping electromagnetic fields. Why airplanes are the worst EMF in the world. Environment you can be in and what frequent flyers need to do immediately after landing. The Lyme disease connection, why people with chronic illnesses are hypersensitive to EMF fields. Pay special attention to when Josh explains why your body conducts electromagnetic fields

• 2:25Gary Brecka?

  and interprets them as noise disrupting every biological process from sleep to mitochondrial function. Let's get into it. Hey guys, welcome back to the ultimate human podcast. I'm your host, human biologist Gary Brecka, where we go down the road of everything anti-aging, biohacking, longevity, and everything in between. And today is going to be one of those in-between conversations you're going to absolutely love. We have the CEO of Aries Tech, Josh Bruni, on the podcast to talk about everything EMF and clear the air, if you will, on EMF. Dude, I actually like that as a tagline, dude. I think I should, I should get, I get 2% customary referral fee for that one. But talk about everything EMF and we're really, this is going

• 3:08Gary Brecka?

  to be a phenomenal podcast. It actually started in my kitchen before we actually came into the podcast room, like so many of my podcasts do. You're really going to enjoy this one. Welcome to the podcast, Josh. It's great to see you.

• 3:18Speaker 00

  Super excited to be here.

• 3:19Gary Brecka?

  Dude, I'm pumped to have you too, man. This is a long time in the making.

• 3:21Speaker 00

  It's been a long time. It's been a long time. But I'm super excited to be here. It's, um, walking around the space has been like, it's like Candy Land. I don't know if that's the right word.

• 3:33Gary Brecka?

  If you're a biohacker.

• 3:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, Willy Wonka's chocolate. I don't know what it is, but it's, uh, it was inspiring and I could just, I just wanted to lay in the beds. I just want to do the things, right? Like, we'll do the podcast.

• 3:43Gary Brecka?

  I did, I got a little massage.

• 3:44Speaker 00

  I got a water massage. Yeah. But, uh, man, I just, as we talked in the past, leading up to this, um, I'm just a big fan of the work and the message. And like, I know it's hard, like the burden and the challenges and the resistance, but then the payoff, right? Like that feeling when you have those moments, you interact with people that you've deeply impacted. That's what keeps you going. And, and I, and I feel similar in my journey here. And so to be able to bring this together and actually have this conversation is, is a real pleasure for me.

• 4:12Gary Brecka?

  That's, that's really kind of you, man. Thank you so much. I mean, you know, I, I've been really interested in the, in, in the world of EMF. I certainly don't profess. To be an expert in it. You know, a lot of biohacking now is centered around just getting us back to the basics. It's like, it's, it's actually mitigating our modern environments. You know, the, the, the same thing happens with, you know, our highly processed foods and, you know, our water having fluorides and chlorines and, you know, regulating our lighting and regulating our air temperature and our environments now because of convenience have become highly toxic. And I always use the adage that, you know, when a fish gets sick, the first thing we do is clean

• 4:54Gary Brecka?

  the tank. And I think this is really applicable to EMFs because it's funny how I find that people fall into two camps. That's complete hogwash. It doesn't exist. You know, that's witchcraft and you're making it up. And like, oh, no, no, no, no. I have a relative that this happened to. I've experienced it. You know, I'm mitigating my EMFs and, and, you know, this weird unexplained sickness that I had got better. And, and I'm in the camp of, this is a part of cleaning up our environment. And I'd love if you just, for my audience, talk a little bit about like, what are EMFs? Where are they coming from? You know, and why should be, be worried about even mitigating them?

• 5:37Speaker 00

  Uh, first of all, I love the, the setup there because I think what you did is you grounded it in something that people already understand. We've already been on this journey in a health and wellness now for, for quite some time of like, really just kind of getting back to like our ancestral health. And I know that's even actually a word that, that people use frequently.

• 5:56Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 5:56Speaker 00

  And, and I'm just saying it from a fact of like, our bodies enjoy what they were built to do. And the more that we can be thoughtful about curating that, the better we thrive and we live. And so, um, it, it areas we call that environmental clarity. And when we talk about it, we're talking about the electromagnetic fields and environment that's around us. And so

• 6:19Gary Brecka?

  It's a tank.

• 6:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, the tank, essentially the water, the tank. It's a great analogy. And I think I agree with you because we do this every day. Like, people are super polarized on this. Again, no pun intended on that, but uh,

• 6:31Gary Brecka?

  You made it funny.

• 6:32Speaker 00

  You made it funny. But, uh, no, that's, it's, it's interesting how divided people are. And, and my hope for this conversation is That we can close that gap with factual information. I don't think that we need to stretch it out to the, to the ends of all the different possibilities that could occur that the scientists are still debating. We'll just let them keep debating that. But what we can talk about is what we do know for sure today. And what does that mean for human health and longevity and all the different, you know, elements of just living a good, good life. And EMF, in my opinion, I'm biased, obviously, but I would love to see the conversation with EMF become a foundational health and wellness practice.

• 7:15Speaker 00

  We talk about, you know, food and, and water and sleep and stress.

• 7:20Gary Brecka?

  Air.

• 7:20Speaker 00

  Air, sun, all these different things, movement. I do think that our worlds are so densely saturated now with electromagnetic fields that, again, I'm not going to say they're going to do all these very extreme health outcomes, but we do know that on a daily basis, on an immediate basis, that it does introduce stress into the system. It's measurable and it's immediate.

• 7:41Gary Brecka?

  And it's definitive.

• 7:42Speaker 00

  It's definitive.

• 7:42Gary Brecka?

  That's a non-debatable part.

• 7:43Speaker 00

  It's a non-debatable part. And so to me, I think having that conversation and starting there and saying, okay, we can talk about what is EMF? How does it work? All those things that really draw down to what is happening when you get to this, I don't know, this, this fusion of man and technology, what's happening at that point? We can, we can kind of, we can talk about that. But to me, I think it should be one of those pillars because it is actually something that we need to be thinking about.

• 8:08Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  And I would say those that are in vulnerable groups, whether you're trying to conceive, already pregnant, having kids, there's, there's a varying degree of effect that happens to all the different populations, right? And I just think it's something everyone should pay, pay attention to. And like the last thing I would say is like, I think what I'm excited about this podcast is I think this is going to be one of the biggest long-term evergreen podcasts that you do because of how controversial the topic is.

• 8:42Gary Brecka?

  I like to find those guests.

• 8:43Speaker 00

  It affects everybody. It affects everybody on the planet. You know, like really, nobody can escape it now. And like even the, you know, the, the tribes in the Amazon, wherever they are, like it's in our atmosphere. Like now it's obviously not going to impact them nearly as much. But my point is, is like billions of people are affected every day and billions of people have questions and an intuition that something is off in their environment. And that's what I think we can address today.

• 9:05Gary Brecka?

  Well, what's really interesting is, is what is big in the news right now is, you know, the 49ers and their stadium and their practice field is in close proximity to this massive power, power plant. And my podcast director actually showed me right before we walked on the podcast, he showed me like an aerial view of it and you see the stadium and you see the practice field and then you see this massive power plant. And for what, the last 10 years, and I don't want to misquote this, because I only brushed through the article, but for the last 10 years, you know, they've, they've led the league in, in very specific kinds of

• 9:44Gary Brecka?

  injuries, mainly ligamentous injuries, like Achilles heels. And so it's, it's very much in the news right now. And, you know, when you have a large group of athletes practicing consistently in the same location, coming up with the same injury that practiced elsewhere and don't have the same injury, I am not saying this is causal. I'm saying it could be correlated, right? Just to be hyper-specific. But it's really interesting how this is just, you know, really coming into the news because, you know, the team's got to be looking at this and going, well, could this power plant and all of this EMF potentially be what's causing, you know, us to lead the league in injuries for a decade?

• 10:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's a great place to start because I think it's a great way to bring good information and factual information to this. The physics side of it, right? So I would say on the physics side, and I've been following this. We've had a lot of people, you know, contact us. And I will also say that the NFL from a pro sports standpoint is probably one of our biggest customers across the board, like the players and things like that. So it's definitely top of mind. And you've, the other thing that you've seen in, in kind of social media.

• 10:57Gary Brecka?

  And the 49ers the biggest customer in the NFL.

• 10:58Speaker 00

  I can't say any of that stuff, but, um, but my point is like NFL players are thinking a lot about this health. And I think where they're, or the, the effect of EMF, and I think where that's coming from is from a lot of different places. Again, I think that they're doing a good job, but they're probably starting from a place of like neurology and like, how do I, how do I improve certain things or, or help certain things, maybe rest, relaxation, sleep. And in this particular situation, the, there's a, I wish I knew the author's name of the paper because he deserves some credit for at least drawing some connections, whether it proves out to be, you know, causal, like you said, or just correlation. I still think it's worth noting just for the fact that the conversation has started.

• 11:41Speaker 00

  Uh, and on a side note, when my wife and I, back in probably 2000, 2001, we were looking to buy our first house, right before we signed the paper, they said, hey, by the way, we're going to build this substation behind this house. So you have to sign this paper to say you knew that already. And we didn't buy the house.

• 11:59Gary Brecka?

  And now you've come full circle and you're mitigating.

• 12:03Speaker 00

  25 years later, here I am. Like it's wild. So, so back then in totally, my wife was like, absolutely no. Right? And I don't know why, but like, come on, you know? I think to start with the physics side of this conversation, the one thing that I hear a lot of is the EMF coming out of that type of environment is in the hertz range. It's not in the extreme, you know, megahertz, gigahertz and so forth. And so people like, therefore it's safe because we'll use different tools and instruments at those ranges for healing and things like that. So, but that is where the initial problem starts with this conversation is.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  It isn't about the energy. It isn't about peak energy. It's about complex overlapping fields that create massive amounts of interference and to the body that's perceived as noise and it's perceived as signaling noise. And so you know this and you you'll speak probably better this than I will, but the number of processes that rely on electrical signaling and timing is basically your whole system.

• 13:11Gary Brecka?

  It's the only way that nutrients enter and exit cells. I mean, that possible lipid bilayer is permeable because of these charges.

• 13:18Speaker 00

  Because these charges, you're talking about, you know, ion, you know, gating and calcium ion gating and calcium ion gating is super sensitive to EMF. And the reason why I start there is like, those are facts. These are the parts of science and the medical field and biology that are not debated, is we know that EMF, especially noisy EMF, disrupts signaling. And so, starting to the point of on the on the biology side, the body's electric. So for those that are watching that don't know that, I would assume everyone in your audience already knows that, but a lot of people don't. They don't understand that that your body works, your heart generates power, and your brain uses the power and it's sending information. And a lot of this is timing. The endocrine system is super timed with multiple parts

• 13:58Speaker 00

  of the body. All sorts of timing occurs. And so when you introduce this energy, regardless of the power, the complexity and the interference and the noise is disruptive. And so it isn't about the power, isn't about the fact that it's 50 hertz. The size of that substation, by the way.

• 14:18Gary Brecka?

  Oh, it was massive.

• 14:19Speaker 00

  It was massive. It was like, what, four, five times?

• 14:20Gary Brecka?

  I'm actually gonna go down the rabbit hole of this. Because, because, you know, I mean, the NFL, I mean, they've been talking about this for years, you know, they, the one thing they would mitigate if they could are non-contact injuries.

• 14:32Speaker 00

  Injuries, 100%.

• 14:33Gary Brecka?

  I mean, you can't do much about trauma, right? And if your foot's planted and somebody, you know, tackles you from the side, you're gonna have injuries. It's gonna go with the sport, it's gonna go with any sport. But if you can limit the number of non-contact injuries, you know, like a, you know, a player on the sideline that blows an Achilles heel, being whistled into the game, not, not, not being, being tackled. I mean, I'm, I'm gonna, I probably will do a whole podcast on this, but I'm very interested. So, so you're saying it's We're starting from the area that's non-debatable. There are electromagnetic fields or, and these fields are disruptive and your body does respond to them. Full stop.

• 15:14Gary Brecka?

  Now, to the extent that they are leading to specific ailments, there's no direct causal relationship. But again, this is, these are non-natural.

• 15:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, I actually, as a, we are a publicly traded company. So I'm, I have very limited things I can say when I say this outcome is possible, this outcome is possible. Or this is a matter of fact, I can't say those things. And that's probably good because it's forced me to be more disciplined and thoughtful about how I explain these topics. And I think in this situation, I don't think, when you look at the electrical signaling that takes place in the body, just from like a fundamental first principle standpoint, if you even start from, let's say the reproductive system. We know that number one, for males, it's outside of the body and it's sperm and the, that the whole system is hypersensitive to EMF. We already know that.

• 16:09Speaker 00

  We know that fluid, we know that water is, that's something you can test at home. Like you can look at a microscope and see how water changes structure in the presence of man-made EMF. You can see that in blood. So you can see clumping and clustering in blood. There's no questions, these are not questions anymore.

• 16:25Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, when I talk about grounding and repolarizing cellular surfaces, you know, I've actually done these tests. In fact, I made Max do it. I made Max my guinea pig and, you know, I would break his finger, put it on a slide, show it in real time and show how the blood gets like a rule A. Like they, you know, they stack because on the surface of all of our cells is, is a charge.

• 16:47Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 16:47Gary Brecka?

  And when they're the same charge, cells don't touch. When they're opposite charges, they attract and using a PMF mat or touching the surface of the earth, like grounding.

• 16:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 16:57Gary Brecka?

  You know, discharging.

• 16:58Speaker 00

  Discharging the energy.

• 16:59Gary Brecka?

  That low gas field.

• 17:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 17:01Gary Brecka?

  So I didn't mean to interrupt you, but.

• 17:02Speaker 00

  No, but that's the point of like, the body runs on electromagnetic fields. Like it runs on that. And to kind of back up even and say, well, what are electromagnetic fields? Electromagnetic fields are the conditions that are created by electrical and wireless technologies and systems.

• 17:23Speaker 00

  And as they're transferring this through the air. And I think to clarify one thing for a lot of people is we think that they're like beams. Like you've got, you see the antenna when you drive by and you have your cell phone or like it's beaming me information. That's not how it works. It's better to think of it like your fish tank example is actually a better idea is like it's all around us. And it's a cloud. It's a cloud. And when it's a structured cloud that that's highly modulated and tuned for specific functions. It's hyper noisy, which means it's chaotic, meaning overlapping fields. And there's like, as it's complex and it's unpredictable is the better way to say that. And so the, the, again, don't torch me on this.

• 18:05Speaker 00

  But I'm not a communications expert, but the idea is that you're not sending like a straight line of, of information to my cell phone. It's within that cloud. A change occurs at the source and the same change is occurring at the receiver. And through this connected field, the information is then connected because they couple together. And the body's coupling nonstop as well. Again, kind of going back to the, the gut, the brain, right? That connection is similarly also very much disrupted by EMF for the exact same reason. So now the other thing to understand about field is everything within that field becomes part of the field. So like humans, buildings, plants, animals, you all become, everything becomes part of the field.

• 18:47Speaker 00

  So if I'm in the field, I'm now diffracting and deflecting and reflecting.

• 18:52Gary Brecka?

  More absorbing.

• 18:53Speaker 00

  I'm also then absorbing and conducting. And so our bodies are basically constantly listening to their environment and interpreting. And then adapting and compensating. And I think it, the, where EMF now enters that is you're in the field. We just established that we just talked about that. And you're conducting because we're, uh, conduction engines essentially. Uh, we could even talk about the word electrolytes and why it says electro.

• 19:22Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  Because that's conduction, right? And you're, you're putting, you know, minerals that change to ions and they carry.

• 19:29Gary Brecka?

  Reduction.

• 19:29Speaker 00

  Yeah. All these things are connected. And so we just ignore the fact that it's electrolytes. And not thinking that we're, it just became a word, right? No one even knows what it means. It just became a word. The point is though, it's your, your body is using all of these mechanisms to conduct. So now I'm in this field, I'm conducting, my body's trying to interpret this complex, noisy, chaotic field. That's constantly changing. It's unpredictable, right? Your body likes constant, predictable, coherent signals. I agree with that. And so the rest of your systems are just, it's, it's, what do I do with this? What do I do with this? The ion gates are, you know, getting stuck open or they're slow or they're sticky, which then creates extra energy expenditure when you talk about the mitochondria and the effect on the ATP production.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  Because it's, they miss the timing, so it requires extra energy. And so I'll stop there, but, but that's where I think the conversation should start. It makes it easier for people to understand. I'm not talking about extreme health outcomes. We're just simply stating this is happening in real time. So we talk about the 49ers in this gigantic substation that's producing, who knows? The amount of complex fields that are being overlapped and creating noise. The, again, the physics side of this is when we talk about complex fields, we're talking about a lot of waves that are out of phase. They're not coherent. They're interfering with each other, which means constructive and destructive interference, which some are getting more, they're getting stronger because they're adding on top of each other and some are dropping.

• 20:56Speaker 00

  So that just creates a lot of noise and your biology perceives that. We as humans don't see it because it's invisible. That's a human limitation. Right. Not a physics or, you know, biology limitation. That's just a human limitation. We can't see it, right? So we talk about the 49ers. To me, that's where I would start to poke around and say, okay, this is a complex field. What can we do? Either we move or we do something about it. And I think that's where like, when we, areas for us, we talk about environmental clarity. And we, I know we'll talk about this before, but what we, the whole premise of what we do is create a structured field that is predictable. In a very short way, that's what we do. So we interact with the environment around you, make it predictable and structured,

• 21:38Speaker 00

  and redo, redistribute that energy. And so. From a 4Dner standpoint, look, again, is it causal? I don't know. It's early, you know, because I think people start to poke around this conversation, but it does, it did open the conversation, which I'm excited about.

• 21:52Gary Brecka?

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• 22:35Gary Brecka?

  So you're in this, you know, complex field with all of these different frequencies and wavelengths and what have you. And, um, you know, it's actually the, the, the physics of constructive and destructive interference that made me believe in the universal law of attraction, believe it or not, because I know that certain wavelengths, you know, when, when two frequencies of equal wavelength meet, the size of frequency doubles. When they, when they're in opposite phase, they, they cancel. And if you're sending complex frequencies through the body constantly, at some point, this is going to match the frequency of a, of a biological process going on in the body. It's either going to cause no harm, it's going to enhance it, or it's going to disrupt it.

• 23:20Gary Brecka?

  And again, there's probably no way to tell specifically what's going on at, you know, with, with each field and, and at a cellular level. But you, what are you doing? Are you deflecting this cloud? Are you, are you absorbing it into a single device? Like, you know, you stick it on the back of your cell phone. What is it doing? It's obviously not blocking the cell phone signal. So then is it really working to mitigate the EMF? So how does, how does that work?

• 23:45Speaker 00

  That's a good question. And again, I think what people struggle with is this field of physics is narrow. And even like, you know, we talk with a lot of like cell phones. Antenna, you know, designers and they don't understand how, you know, what we're talking about because they're they're in another narrow field. And and so I empathize with people because this is this is difficult. Like narrow fields of of research. And and I think that we can simplify that. I did want to kind of just touch on the idea of blocking because I do think that that's easy to understand. But I also think it's easy to understand the idea of blocking. What is misunderstood is that you can actually block frequencies. Because I would say the other thing in addition to the 49ers content floating around the internet right now is.

• 24:28Speaker 00

  I would say one, I know people like to be called influencers, but there's an M D. That's an influencer, a large audience in this this kind of wellness space. That did a Instagram reel about covering his wifi router with tin foil. And he was using an EMF reader to demonstrate that it reduced the strength of the field. Right. And there's a couple of things that are flawed with that. Number one, the EMF reader is measuring measuring power. Power is not the problem as we've established. It's the it's the complexity of the field and the noise that's introduced from all the interference of multiple fields overlaying over each other.

• 25:07Speaker 00

  And so when you introduce that blocking like that, what you did is you stressed every system in there now. That's using that router to then work harder. So now you have you have packets of information data that's been exchanged between the sender and the receiver. And those packets are dropping and these cell phones and your computers are built for air correction. So now they're increasing the amount of packets that are being so you've increased the number of things that are happening now in your environment because you were trying to reduce it. So blocking is binary. You're either blocking or you're not. So if you're blocking, nothing's working. Nothing's getting signal. If you are blocking and stuff still getting signal, you've actually compounded the original problem that you're trying to solve.

• 25:51Speaker 00

  Again, this is the physics side of it, which is. You you become part of the field. So anything I introduce into that field becomes part of the field. Another thing that I see, because I travel a lot, is people put the blankets on their lap. They put their laptop on it, right?

• 26:05Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 26:05Speaker 00

  And they're like, okay, I'm good because I'm covering my, you know, my lap.

• 26:08Gary Brecka?

  Right, can't get.

• 26:08Speaker 00

  It can't get to me.

• 26:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:09Speaker 00

  It doesn't work that way. These fields are all around us. They're three dimensional. It's not, again, it's not directional. It's it's three dimensional.

• 26:17Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 00

  And so because I'm covering my lap, doesn't mean that the rest of my body is not conducting. And by the way, you just now reflected back and amplified and created additional waves of interference that have occurred. So you've created complexity, introduced complexity into the field. So unfortunately, blocking is really not a good solution. I see the people with the cases.

• 26:39Gary Brecka?

  Completely.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  Unless you can, you're talking Faraday cage stuff, right?

• 26:41Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 26:41Speaker 00

  You completely capture it and harness it. And so the cell phone case is like, oh, it's closed. And then all the outsides, what you did is you've actually concentrated it in a way. And so I just think people need to be more honest with those products and do. And I think consumers need to be way more educated on the physics of it because it isn't simple. This isn't like, it's like, is it's either blocking or you're not.

• 27:05Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  So if there's no in between.

• 27:07Gary Brecka?

  Your is mitigation is that's what we're talking about.

• 27:11Speaker 00

  You're not even mitigating. You're actually amplifying the problem because you've increased. Again, think of like a backboard. If I if I don't have the backboard and I throw a ball, it goes right through. If I throw a backboard and I throw the ball and now bounce back, right?

• 27:24Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 27:24Speaker 00

  So now I've created two paths. And so I've increased and then the likelihood and this is constant, right? It's not like it's it's just happening one time. Now I've got doubled my paths essentially for simplicity. And now they're actually interfering with each other. So now you've introduced more noise and complexity into the environment that you were trying. You're thinking that you're mitigating.

• 27:41Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 27:42Speaker 00

  And so, um, yeah, I just, again, I think when you put a hat on.

• 27:46Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 27:46Speaker 00

  A EMF protection hat or a beanie or underwear. Well, yes, if you're shooting a laser, you know, at your head, that's fine, but that's not how it works. It's three dimensional. So now my face is conducting and now I've trapped it in my brain. Now it's reflecting back and so it just doesn't work that way. And so my, I mean, like, I can't just block regionally.

• 28:07Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 28:08Speaker 00

  It's an all or none principle. It's, this is why EMF is actually a more complex and serious topic to discuss and get right. Because there's so much misinformation and there, by the way, there's a lot of bad products out there. And there's a lot of bad players and, and I'm mindful of that, right? And I'm always welcoming of other people that are sharing the message, but there's got to be some integrity in that. And I think that's what I, we wanted to do today.

• 28:31Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:32Gary Brecka?

  So, so then what is the mechanism by which you can reduce the, you can't really reduce your exposure. So it's not something you can hide from.

• 28:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 28:41Gary Brecka?

  Right. Um, you know, I put this in the, uh, you know, EMF mitigation in the, in the realm of passive biohacking. Like the active biohacking isn't getting a red light, again, a hyperbaric, again, a cold plunge, again, a sauna. But passive is when you do things like you install a water filter. It's not adding any time to your day, but now you're actually just drinking clean water. Or you install air filtration and now your air is just cleaner. So your environment's cleaner. I look at EMF mitigation and technology like Aries is, is, is one of those passive biohacks. Because you really can't control this environment. I mean, it's not practical to fully block, like you said, to build a Faraday's cage around your bed.

• 29:24Gary Brecka?

  But so what, what exactly is it doing? Diffusing?

• 29:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 29:29Gary Brecka?

  Is it, so what benefit do you get from using something that is mitigating the effects of this EMF?

• 29:37Speaker 00

  Yeah. And to be clear, I'm not entirely sure of anything else that exists. And that's, you know, to me, I think that we are a category creator and we talk a lot about environmental clarity. And I think that's the space that we're trying to fill of, okay, how do we create a solution that we're not going to fight technology? That's not the point. Like, look, I've been in technology my whole life, like built my whole career on the internet. And so, um, to me, that, that's not, it's not sustainable either. Like, you know, I try, like, you get in an airplane.

• 30:04Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 30:04Speaker 00

  It's like the absolute worst EMF environment you can be in. And, um, it's just not, it's not realistic. So Aries approach, it, I think going back. It's a, it started as a foundation over 30 years ago. And the idea was to, how do we control or manipulate the electromagnetic fields around us and within the body to promote healing? It wasn't in a way to like modulate the environment around us to make it less disruptive. That, because that was 30 years ago.

• 30:36Gary Brecka?

  So it didn't start as a device to sort of shield you or protect you from EMFs?

• 30:40Speaker 00

  No. As a matter of fact, the silicon resonator that we're using today is, was a breakthrough for us because previously we were using like geometry and shapes, a lot like how, what we refer to as metamaterials. A lot like how if you go back and do some research on the original like space shuttles and especially out of Russia back in like the 50s and the 60s. You would use shapes to essentially diffract and break apart, like this, like your acoustic design here.

• 31:06Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah, this is a perfect example.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  It's a perfect example.

• 31:08Gary Brecka?

  These are just wooden cubes.

• 31:09Speaker 00

  Yep.

• 31:09Gary Brecka?

  But they're cut at different angles and set at different depths to deflect the sound.

• 31:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, to, to break it into smaller pieces, 100%.

• 31:17Gary Brecka?

  They're not blocking it. They're basically taking our voice and then breaking it up so it doesn't echo around.

• 31:22Speaker 00

  Same concept. And so the original, the original like research.

• 31:26Gary Brecka?

  That's why I put it on the wall, because I knew you were coming here.

• 31:28Speaker 00

  No, the original research was, it was, was similar of like creating geometry that would basically reshape the, the field. And so like, you know, graphite and different things were used, different materials were used. And then over time, and these were big structures, by the way, because when you talk about, uh, you know, electromagnetic fields and you're talking, let's say AM, FM, right? These are giant. These are like, if we could see them, they're giant waves. Now, when we talk about cell phone, like 5G, we're talking millimeters. These are smaller millimeter wave stuff. So very different, but, but again, think about the 90s, we're still talking like.

• 32:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, but there's still all of these, like you said, this is, this is a complex field. I mean, there's still AM and FM and there's still.

• 32:10Speaker 00

  They're all laying on top of each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you're exactly right.

• 32:13Gary Brecka?

  And so they're all sort of colliding and, and, you know, if, if you could, um, you know, put smoke in the air and like see the laser kind of thing. Uh, you, you know, it'd look extremely complex. It wouldn't look like beams.

• 32:26Speaker 00

  A hundred percent. Cutting through the air. Yeah, yeah. And, and we're working on a map on our website that you can go to and put in your address and look at all the different cellphone towers, communication towers, power lines. And then, right now, we have it set up so you can just go see what's around you, see what your environment. What we're working on is like, what would the overlapping visual look like so that you could actually see what a complex structure would look like through some computer modeling and things like that? That's kind of cool. So it's gonna be really cool to see, like, the 49er Stadium, right? Yeah. When you think of that substation, it's gonna be lit up red. Cause it's just, there's so much complexity to that field. Right. So getting back to kind of the Aries, how it works, if you start there from what

• 33:08Speaker 00

  I just described of like, using geometry like this to then, structure and kind of reprogram, you know, a field essentially through geometry, that was actually taken from the work from the space shuttles. And I, and I referenced Russia and US, cause they, if you go back and you look at some of the original papers, they're swapping information quite a bit back, especially when they did like, period research, they're citing Russia, Russia citing the US, cause it was like, this ping pong match of like, of development of physics and things like that. So, super interesting. So, but they, they had a problem in space where the EMF in space is different, and they needed, it was affecting the communications. So, they, they used geometry to diffract and reshape

• 33:51Speaker 00

  the field to, so it was not disruptive. So, that was the premise for the original kind of Aries concept was a little bit of what was going on there, combined with Tesla's work. So, Nikola Tesla that we're talking about, which was trying to capture the Earth's EMF to then create free energy for everybody. Yeah. Really cool, like, work when you go back there. Wild. It became uncontrollable. I mean, like, you couldn't control where it was going, but he was, you know, he was getting there. So, jump forward with the, the- Testing we did with the silicon resonator chip, which is what you see at the center. What you have there is essentially a fractal antenna. And so a fractal is, is a self similar shape repeating at different scales.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  And so that invention, which is relatively new, by the way, and it's what's used in your cell phone. It's what's used in all telecommunications right now. And the idea is that I can basically have an extremely wide band of frequencies created in a very small space. And the way to think about that is without increasing the area of the space, I can increase the perimeter. So what that means is I can take a ring and I can make another ring, another ring, another ring, all the way down to the point of like infinity, right? And so I always tell people like, the best thing I can tell people is take a rope and keep cutting it half till you get to zero. You will actually never get to zero.

• 35:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 35:11Speaker 00

  Because you can't keep theoretically, you can't get to zero. And so that's the idea of a fractal is you don't increase the area, but you increase the perimeter. So we have millions of etchings that are designed and specifically tuned and engineered to interact with the ambient field that's around you and essentially create a stable environment that that is generated from that silicon. And so to talk about the material, because material is important too. The material, silicon is hyperconductive. It's a dielectric, meaning like it interacts with, with the energy around it. And then it creates a response, right? And so what it does, it creates a field around it that is now stable.

• 35:51Gary Brecka?

  And so it's, it's, it's, it's giving your body a constant rather than this dissociated mess.

• 35:58Speaker 00

  It's predictable. It's predictable. It's stable. It's coherent, which is the environment that your body thrives in, which is like being outside, right?

• 36:06Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Yeah. And that's why, you know, you feel so good probably when you go to the ocean or when you, you know, like for my wife and I, when we go to the mountains in Colorado, we're way separated from, you know, any major city or technology, you know, we're 10,500 feet. And you really do feel different. And I don't want to say, well, that's all because of low EMF. I don't know. I mean, it's, you know, forest bathing has been around for centuries, you know, in eastern medicine. And, and we do that, too, you know, walking in the forest. But I, I've got to think that a large part of it is, because the first cabin we had was,

• 36:49Gary Brecka?

  it was solar, so no electricity. And, and, you know, when you're out there and you're outside and you're, you know, you're walking in the woods and you're, you're at altitude, you just, you really feel different. We sleep amazing.

• 37:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:03Gary Brecka?

  Out there.

• 37:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 37:04Gary Brecka?

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• 37:51Speaker 00

  Now let's get back to the Ultimate Human Podcast. And there's never one factor as you know, right?

• 37:56Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, no.

• 37:57Speaker 00

  And the one thing that I would say is, again, going back to the physics side, is like, the idea of, and you kind of touched on this a little bit before, around how there is an attraction. And so, a metronome or a tuning fork will sync up waves, right? There's, like, a tuning fork will then tune the things around it. They'll all start to mirror and, and resonate. And EMF is no different. It's still wave theory. It still functions the same way. So when you talk about being outside, especially, you know, that far away, disconnected, it gives your body a reference point that it does tune to. And

• 38:38Speaker 00

  What people describe with having Aries on, especially the one that you wear on your neck, is that tuning effect. It feels, you feel grounded, you feel always grounded, you feel calmer. The anxiety, the different things that are built up, that's what we, it's this shift that we hear about. That's what people describe the most.

• 38:59Gary Brecka?

  And it's just from wearing like-

• 39:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, just because it's-

• 39:02Gary Brecka?

  It's close to your heart.

• 39:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's close to your heart, which generates a lot of power that can be measured, you know, 10 feet away. And so, but also just in, like I said, around you, but that's, that's what's happening in nature when it comes to the EMF side is, it gives your body a reference point to tune itself to and to kind of like reconnect in a way. Obviously, there's other factors, that's air and light and all sorts of things, you know?

• 39:22Gary Brecka?

  It's a factor we're out there.

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, just actually out there.

• 39:24Gary Brecka?

  In vacation mode.

• 39:26Speaker 00

  I'm honest about that. But, but yeah, I think, like I said, when you, you know, you work with a lot of people and you look at all of the things they got going on, the thing with EMF is it's stacking. And so you're already, I always describe it as you're already starting in a hole. Or I think the better analogy is, it's like, in the, in the absence of EMF, negative EMF, let's say you're just walking on level, leveled ground. In our modern world, without any proactive approach to mitigating it, you're, everybody's walking at some sort of incline. Just from waking up to starting, you're automatically making your body work harder than it needs to. For some people, it's really steep. For other people, it's not that steep immediately.

• 40:10Speaker 00

  Over time, everybody just starts to slowly lift though, because you can't, your body can't deal with the amount of stress that it's, that we're introducing, and then everything else that would stresses your body. And so over time, there's a toxic load that then builds up and you eventually break and everyone has it, right? Or you age faster or something wears out. And so I'd kind of describe it like that, like, EMF is not the thing, but it's, it's starting you at a, at a steeper incline. Yeah, steeper angle and it's gonna move depending on your environment. And that's just something to think about.

• 40:41Gary Brecka?

  And you've got like 40 studies that support this, what you're saying. Can I put those in the show notes? Is there a link?

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, we can, we can leave it there. There's a, there's a couple of things that I would say that I think are really useful. We have a new one that's not out yet that- So two, three years ago, we had a piece of research that was peer reviewed, was presented at this physics conference around the computer modeling of understanding this broadband, multi leveled field that's created coming off the resonator. And so we're able to create the silicon chip at the center of the product, right? So how it's interacting with the EMF around us, right? How it's interacting with the EMF. So we had this computer model that able to show this mathematical approach to this.

• 41:35Speaker 00

  And again, we won awards for this. It was peer reviewed. It was presented and published in research. Just recently, we then created the physical model to then prove the math. And so this isn't out yet because a lot of thing I get is the visual side. Well, I can't see it's working. How do I know it's working? Yeah. So what the team did was they used heat and infrared to be able to create a field. And so what you see on the surface of the resonator and then around it is the physical representation of the mathematical model that we had already built. Wow. So I'm super excited about that because that's the question everyone has like, how do I know it's working? The other thing that I would flip to is like, look, at the end of the day, your body is what we're measuring. We really want to know if your biology is performing better.

• 42:19Speaker 00

  We really want to know if it's working better. And so we have become like a tour of doing live brain scans and HRV testing. We did a lot of work with the UFC and we looked at like reaction time in the presence of EMF and then with using Aries. Yeah. And it's super easy. This is my point of like- It's improved like millisecond timing. Millisecond timing, yeah. And that's not like reaction time with your hand. That's like the information moving through your brain and then out to your hand. So we're able to track how quickly the information, the time that your eyes lock on, because we're looking at the brain, to the information moving through and then actually taking action. So that's what we're looking at with that. The other thing that I would just say is like, my point of starting the conversation like, what do we know for sure? What can we measure?

• 43:02Speaker 00

  Science understands that EMF disrupts EEG and basically your neurology and how your brain functions. We know that it disrupts- The heart and not for the better, right?

• 43:11Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 43:11Speaker 00

  Specifically, the heart is easy to measure because it kind of locks you into

• 43:17Speaker 00

  sympathetic activation. And so rest relaxation is compromised because you're locked in. And we've seen this with athletes in an extreme level.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  Like every athlete that we work with, which we already know they have a hard time moving between states.

• 43:33Gary Brecka?

  Right.

• 43:33Speaker 00

  What we talked about walking in here was rest, recovery, how much and how fast they can get back down.

• 43:39Gary Brecka?

  Right. Right.

• 43:40Speaker 00

  It's the the numbers on the HRV are off the charts in the presence of EMF. It's incredible.

• 43:46Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 43:46Speaker 00

  And so when they use our product, we see this improvement over baseline. It's not because we're affecting the body. What we've done is we've got out of the way so the body can actually just do its job better.

• 43:56Gary Brecka?

  So you're getting the EMF out of the way. So this sort of blocks that are right, right behind me is a really good way, I think, for people to process and understand this because, you know, we wouldn't argue that sound waves exist because we were hearing them right now. You know, we argue that EMF waves don't exist or don't cause harm because we can't see them, touch them, feel them. There's no way for us to, you know, take a, take a measurement. And yet, you know, this really works. You know, when we're having podcasts, I mean, this is what's deflecting our voice and not causing it to come back into the microphone and not bounce off of this hard, hard wall. So it really makes, it's starting to crystallize to me. I mean, I've, I've understood EMFs at a relatively surface level for, for the last few years.

• 44:41Gary Brecka?

  I'm sold on their impact on human physiology for sure. And I wasn't sold on whether or not technology could mitigate that, you know? And now I'm starting to understand how by creating uniformity in this field,

• 44:57Gary Brecka?

  the body has harmony. In other words, it has a consistent variable to deal with rather than this just widely changing constant.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:06Gary Brecka?

  You know, very spasmodic.

• 45:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:10Gary Brecka?

  Environment, you know, which it's kind, it's having to shift its adaptation less frequently. If that makes sense, is that a good way?

• 45:17Speaker 00

  It totally makes sense. I, in a really simple way is. Let's say you're sitting at your desk, you're doing work, you're just hyper concentrated, you're pumping out good work, and then someone comes from out over here on your left or your right and interrupts you. And not only are they interrupting you, but they're speaking a different language.

• 45:32Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 45:33Speaker 00

  And now you're like, okay, what am I, what are they saying? What do I gotta do with that information? So the task that you were doing is now disrupted.

• 45:38Gary Brecka?

  And how, just to get specific on a few things, how bad is 5G for us?

• 45:44Speaker 00

  Right? I, I think, again, to have a real intellectually honest conversation, if it was, and I think this is where the research gets it wrong. And I think this is one of the reasons why there's a lot of challenges in showcasing the negative effects of EMF, is they're typically using one device. And in the presence of one device, and this is why people are gonna go back to like,

• 46:07Gary Brecka?

  You're not looking at the smog.

• 46:08Speaker 00

  They're not looking at the complex, because like I said, if it was just one outlet producing 50 hertz of, you know, a field, that's probably not gonna really do much to you. It's not gonna make you uncomfortable. Like, you're not really, your body's just like, okay, whatever, I'm dealing with that, right? But you have go next to a substation, or you go into an airplane where everyone has a 5G phone, and everyone has a TV in their head, you know, in their headrest now, and, and there's Wi-Fi in there, you have all these complex aviation electronics up front.

• 46:39Gary Brecka?

  Right. You're telling me, dude.

• 46:42Speaker 00

  This is, you get my point now? Now you have all of these complex overlay, and you have structures in there. So now you have, and you're in a tube, and now you have this reflection and deflection happening all around you. So you've, you've infinitely exponentially increased the complexity of the field. So how's, how bad is 5G?

• 46:59Gary Brecka?

  And what your cellular biology is dealing with.

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Is what you're doing. It's a stress that it's constantly trying to figure out, what do you want me to do with this? You've given me information, I can't translate it. What am I supposed to do? Because your body's working on interpreting electromagnetic signals. And now you're giving this man-made technogenic frequency to it and saying, interpret this. It can't interpret it. So it doesn't know what to do with it. So it just consistently like gets disrupted, disrupted, disrupted, disrupted, signaling from blood to,

• 47:23Gary Brecka?

  ATP.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  The mitochondria, the gut, the brain, the heart, like, everything is disrupted. So I, like I said, I think that, am I saying this is gonna have extreme outcomes? No. But when you look at every one of those things stacked together, all those systems, over time, over long periods of time, that's a problem. More importantly, young babies developing

• 47:47Speaker 00

  Our adults are more resilient and we can deal with some of this stress because we've developed. What's happening with young people, though, is actually shaping their response. It's programming their response. And that's a completely different mindset because they're not developed yet. Their skulls are thinner, softer, more permeable. Their whole body is developing and it's being programmed by their environment. Whether that's, you know, me as a parent, I always mess with my kids and be like, everything that you think right now most likely came from myself or your mom. So not only we program them from like their social circles and the food that we're giving them and their chemical environment that's around them, but also their electromagnetic environment as well. And their bodies are actually, because we are electrical beings, are being programmed by that and being shaped

• 48:32Speaker 00

  by that. So if I was to say, hey, on a scale of like, one to really pay attention, I think families with young children, people trying to conceive that are pregnant, because that pregnant woman is one system. And so what she's exposing herself to, the baby's being exposed to and is also being shaped by.

• 48:52Gary Brecka?

  Sure.

• 48:53Speaker 00

  So all those things combined are just something, like I said, your body can deal with it. Your body's resilient. It's not immune to it, though. And it's a big difference.

• 49:03Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. So then the question here is not, I mean, the issue is not just to create fear and alarm and this is going to make you sick and you're going to die. There are people that are significantly more sensitive and I'd like to unpack that, like, why are they more sensitive? But common ways, without just turning this into a commercial for your product, but you would say that the cell phone, mitigating the cell phone, is that where you would start? That's like the...

• 49:32Speaker 00

  That's a good question. That's a good question. I always like when you give free advice. So I think starting with some free advice.

• 49:38Gary Brecka?

  That would be great.

• 49:38Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:39Gary Brecka?

  Is... Because I don't want people to think that the intention was for us to get on air for you to sell Aries products. I want to draw attention to EMFs. I want the data to be out there so people can make an informed decision and just really understand what they are and what are some of the possible detrimental outcomes.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  Yeah. Number one, you mentioned is 5G bad. And I want to reframe that because... That is talking about power again and not the complex field. So I want to make sure that like just tighten that up for clarification. It isn't about 5G, it's about the complexity of that. And 5G does require more towers and them to be closer. So introduces complexity because of the nature of which how 5G works. Not because 5G has the signal. Yes, it's more powerful, the different conversation. But the complexity of 5G has increased. The number of towers has increased because of 5G. So that's kind of number one.

• 50:30Gary Brecka?

  By the way, there's a website you can go to called antennasearch.com. And you can go to antennasearch.com, it's free. Just put in your zip code and it will tell you how many 5G towers are.

• 50:41Speaker 00

  So we even ported that data as well. And we brought in the power line data as well because the power line data wasn't in there. The high power, specifically the high power stuff.

• 50:48Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  And so, because I wanted to create that, I want to show the complexity. And so bringing in all these different sources and we're doing, we're trying to get it to be global. But not as much global information as we have in the US. But, but it's a great place to start. So going back to what you can do, number one, distance is always the most important thing. And so if I'm installing a Tesla charger at my house, you want to make sure that's in a place that's not going to be near the places where you spend the most time.

• 51:15Gary Brecka?

  Like your bedroom's not on the other side of that.

• 51:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, you don't want to, you don't want to, especially your child, right? You don't want that on the child. Smart meters, like, which is a big one. A lot of us were forced to do that or you could opt out.

• 51:25Gary Brecka?

  Are you talking about the ones on your wall?

• 51:27Speaker 00

  The panel, the panel on your, your house where the, you remember back in the day when the guy would come around on the scooter and check your, your meter and yeah, the thing, the analog thing. Now it's electric and it's LTE or something. It's just constant, it's constantly sending signals, constantly. And so there's a handful of products that people usually find their way to us from. The smart meter is one, the smart watch would be the next one. The smart meters, the house, the utility meter. Yeah, because of that. I don't, I don't fully understand the physics behind that. But the number of people that have had negative experiences, health experiences because of the smart utility meters is kind of mind boggling. Just that we've seen, right? Smart watch would be the next one.

• 52:11Speaker 00

  Cell phone is the obvious one for sure. And then. I would say flying, flying, sleep, sleep is the other one.

• 52:20Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 52:20Speaker 00

  And, and so that, that's where people typically find themselves. And so to address those in particular, like I said, is, is proximity to the source or to the receiver. A lot of times we think of like the, like the router in my example before of like covering with tin foil. It isn't the source. It's actually the receiver that now has to work harder. Because that's why when you're, let's say you're in a city with tall buildings, your phone gets hot. It's because it's working overtime. It's sending more packets, trying to translate, decode and translate the packets, trying to do something with it. And it's, it's possible to have good signal, but too much noise in the, in the electromagnetic field and not be able to get the data. So then the data has to work harder, even though there's good signal.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  And so that happens a lot in cities, right? You see, I've got three or four bars or whatever, but it's not working. You're frustrated.

• 53:09Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 53:10Speaker 00

  That's why.

• 53:10Gary Brecka?

  Yeah. Okay. That makes sense.

• 53:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, because you've created a complex field because of the buildings.

• 53:15Gary Brecka?

  So would you say, so what if I have one of these smart meters or I'm in, I'm, I'm flying on an airplane? What, what, what is the best way to mitigate it? Not the Aries tech for the back of your phone. Is there, is it a device? Is it a necklace?

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Yeah. When it comes to Aries tech, look, I think as a default, and I would say 99% of anyone that's, that's bought products from us or worked with us starts with the one on the phone because it's the most obvious, right? And it's the one that we think about the most. Uh, I think where we see the most impact would be like where people report really positive health outcomes would be the Flex, which is the one that you wear around. The Flex are the go. They're different sizes, same mechanism, different sizes. Kids like the smaller one a little bit better. Sometimes women do. And then the, what we call the zone or the zone max. Those are larger ones. And again, to get in the physics of it, uh, there's a resonant effect. So, meaning because there's multiple resonator chips on these, so they're creating multiple fields.

• 54:13Speaker 00

  They actually amplify each other and it's not linear, meaning like one plus one doesn't equal two. It's like one plus one equals, you know, X to the 10 power. It's significant. And so again, going back to the computer modeling and things that we've, we've now demonstrated.

• 54:30Speaker 00

  That was a really

• 54:31Gary Brecka?

  And is this, is this like?

• 54:33Speaker 00

  They're small. Yeah, they're small. And so like

• 54:35Gary Brecka?

  Like the size of like a

• 54:36Speaker 00

  I would say like a, a credit card or smaller and then, then the larger ones maybe the size of your phone. And basically the difference between all of them is the, the proximity to the source or to you that they need to be. So the bigger they are, the further away they can be because they're, they have more surface area and they, they can't, and they have more resonators. So they can create a, a larger, stable area.

• 54:57Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 54:58Speaker 00

  That's really the big difference. And, and so like when we go into like the Minnesota Timberwolves Arena and we create the first ever EMF friendly arena, we use the zone max.

• 55:06Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 55:07Speaker 00

  And

• 55:07Gary Brecka?

  And just put like thousands of these things around.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  The concourse, you see a bunch of millimeter wave antennas throughout the concourse. And so it was pretty easy. Like, okay, let's, let's hit the, the, the obvious spots. But we, we do go in there, we're thoughtful and we're kind of in the first phase of that rollout.

• 55:23Speaker 00

  Another really cool thing that I haven't even talked about yet anywhere is we're working with a, a major airline to install areas within

• 55:35Speaker 00

  the, all of their North American direct flights to their, to their destination. And I can't talk about it too much yet, but that was, and that's like

• 55:41Gary Brecka?

  Where would these be placed?

• 55:42Speaker 00

  Um, and this particular one, because it's a long flight, um, would be throughout the cabin. So like individual ones at in each, uh, seat area. Larger ones towards the, the cockpit.

• 55:56Gary Brecka?

  These are like the size of a cell phone.

• 55:57Speaker 00

  They're thin. They're like, yeah, they're really, they're super thin. Yeah. They're like a, cause you're talking like a

• 56:01Gary Brecka?

  And you would just

• 56:02Speaker 00

  A circuit board. Think of a circuit board.

• 56:03Gary Brecka?

  Insert it in the fabric of the seat so somebody can see it, right?

• 56:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. Right. Yeah.

• 56:07Gary Brecka?

  Wow, that's cool that they're actually thinking about that.

• 56:09Speaker 00

  And then the, their, their goal is to make the, the happiest, healthiest, you know, airline and experience. And they want it to start before you get to the destination.

• 56:16Gary Brecka?

  I want to, oh.

• 56:17Speaker 00

  I'll definitely let you know, cause you'll dig this and you'll dig the destination.

• 56:20Gary Brecka?

  Hammer you as soon as the podcast is over. I'll get it out of them guys.

• 56:24Speaker 00

  Dude, I'm super excited about it. Yeah, yeah.

• 56:27Gary Brecka?

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• 57:21Gary Brecka?

  And so if you're on an aircraft, because I do fly a lot. Yeah. And I do everything that I can to mitigate it by, you know, I take hydrogen water for to sort of restore that redoxomeostasis and mitigate free radical damage. But I, you know, I'm not effectively, because I don't understand what the best effective mechanism is, mitigating the, the EMF. Yeah. You know, other than I, you know, I do wear the, the Aries necklace. But so you would say if you're flying a lot, would you get one of those big ones and just put it in your bag? I, I wear the one, I was, I usually have a lot with me, but if I was to recommend one,

• 58:03Gary Brecka?

  I would, I would definitely wear the one around, around because it's closest to you and your heart and your brain. And those are just areas that are the kind of the control centers for the body. Right? So I would start there. The other thing I would do, kind of go back to the free stuff, grounding, if it's talking about flying. Yeah. If you land in ground almost immediately, it's amazing the benefits that that has. And again, I'm, I'm, I typically don't like to go into the, the waters of like, Totally agree with you. Of like, not proven, not factual, whatever, but anyone that's done that knows it. I totally, totally agree with that. And that is absolutely free and I do it. As soon as I can.

• 58:39Speaker 00

  As much as you can. Yeah. As soon as you get off the plane, go hug a tree. You know, whatever you can go do, like get outside.

• 58:44Gary Brecka?

  I'll look weird like at the airport. Yeah. Like take my shoes off and try to get on the grass for.

• 58:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, just for a minute.

• 58:50Gary Brecka?

  Just for a few minutes.

• 58:51Speaker 00

  Just for a few minutes. It's amazing. Proper hydration with electrolytes is a really important one. And again, this is not my, my main field, but I do know magnesium definitely helps and supports the calcium ion channels. And in relationship to do the negative EMF, right?

• 59:06Gary Brecka?

  Yes, no question.

• 59:06Speaker 00

  Work with. And so different things like that that are really helpful. I think, I think hydration is really again foundation to begin with.

• 59:12Gary Brecka?

  You'll mitigate a lot.

• 59:13Speaker 00

  The hydrogen water is really interesting and I tried to, you know, do some more preparation for that, but I felt just totally unqualified. But the, what I was uncovering was a lot with the blood and like you were talking about the club, like there's a lot of really good information. And how that would then support again, an overall EMF strategy. Like how do you, how do you mitigate the negative effects? If you know, you don't have, you know, the Aries products or you're like, these are all the different tools and tactics that you can do. And I think the hydrogen water is a really interesting one. There's not a lot of research on that yet, especially as in relation to. But you're able to then draw, okay, if I know that this negative thing is happening, how then do I combat that with a positive support system? Right? And I think that's really where I landed.

• 59:56Gary Brecka?

  Any accident pathway. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So now talk about, um, a little bit about like the people that are hypersensitive to. I have clients, for example, that had to sell their Tesla because.

• 1:00:08Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:00:08Gary Brecka?

  The, the, the charger in the garage, they, this is actually a very famous client's wife.

• 1:00:16Gary Brecka?

  She was sleeping a story above and in the back of the house and could tell when the Tesla was plugged in. Was when it was being charged. And I want to get to, to just electric vehicles in, in general. Because I think, I think I see people in both camps and I don't really know which camp I fall in that, you know, you're sitting on just this big EMF bomb. I think it's safe to say that when they're charging, you probably shouldn't be in the car. But when these electric vehicles are in motion and you're sitting on top of these giant battery packs, I mean, is that a serious EMF concern?

• 1:00:50Speaker 00

  I don't think so. And we kind of chatted about this before.

• 1:00:53Gary Brecka?

  Have to agree with you.

• 1:00:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think when it comes to the EVs, you're, they're shielded just by design. So a lot of where the most.

• 1:01:01Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, very heavily shielded.

• 1:01:02Speaker 00

  Yeah, where the EMFs are concentrated is, is heavily shielded. What I would say is, and no one's gonna like this, but any modern vehicle that has the, the modern technologies and the large screens, all of them are connected to wireless right now. Like whether you opt in or opt out, they're still connected. And why they have Wi-Fi, the, those systems, if we go to, let's just call, talk at the, the US regulations, they're independently regulated. As a complete system of your dashboard, they're not regulated at all. So like, when you, again, when you think about the layering of complex fields, virtually every vehicle is terrible because of the dash. So with EVs.

• 1:01:46Gary Brecka?

  Especially the modern.

• 1:01:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, the modern dash.

• 1:01:48Gary Brecka?

  All the glass.

• 1:01:49Speaker 00

  Where I think the EVs have some of the benefit is they're better designed, they're better contained, they're better designed because they, because they're not,

• 1:01:58Speaker 00

  the, all the different varying types of systems that are in a, in a modern, let's say, uh, uh, gas powered vehicle.

• 1:02:06Speaker 00

  There's a lot of different systems in there. And none of them are connected, none of them are alike, but with the EVs, they're pretty much designed from the ground up in a contained system. So there are some benefits because of that, but to be honest, like if you were to do, to look at a spectrum analyzer of a, of a dash, or even take an EMF reader, you're gonna see some extreme numbers come out of that. But I would say, again, I kind of go back to more importantly, don't get misdirected or misguided by the power of, of EMF. It is the complexity of the field that's created. And when you look at modern vehicles, there are so many different systems that are, that are, that are interacting. And by the way, if you've ever, anyone that's ever pulled the dash apart, the shielding on these wires or any like, it's terrible.

• 1:02:43Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Speaker 00

  Like it's, it's just not good. And so they're all just inherently not great. And so I typically recommend, um, the, like an Aries device up in the front of that, that dash for sure. And that's one of those areas I'm like, I don't really have good advice, other than like, you gotta do something about it, right?

• 1:03:00Gary Brecka?

  To put one of these cards in like the cup holder or something like that.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, I like in the in the visor or wherever it's convenient, depending on the model of car that you have. But that's a good question. It comes up a lot like the EV is a question because it just again intuitively. It it's like huh, you know, like maybe there is like it just intuitively, but they overlook the other vehicles, which I wouldn't overlook the other vehicles.

• 1:03:20Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, yeah, I was telling you my I bought my wife one of the early model Teslas that came out and we. I got like a fingernail sized hole in the battery housing and they totaled the whole car. I mean, I'm sure Tesla's figured it out since then because, you know, we compromised that.

• 1:03:36Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:37Gary Brecka?

  That battery housing. I'm sure it wasn't because of EMFs were leaking out, but you know, so they're they're they're very well contained. And when that permeated, it's, you know, it's a disaster. But I want to talk to you about the people that are more sensitive to EMS. I mean, do you find what is it or do you know that makes people more or less sensitive to EMS? Because there are people that have, you know, severe trouble with, you know, electromagnetic frequencies.

• 1:04:09Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a really good question. And I think, again, in our earlier conversation, we were sitting at the table. I said, we have this, as areas as a brand, we have an interesting customer base. We have extremely polar opposite groups of people. We have elite athletes, elite performers in virtually every category. You think of whether that's musicians, actors, actresses, football players, a lot of football players, obviously the UFC and in the NBA. But virtually every top athlete in every sport is a customer. And then on the other side, you have extremely ill people and chronic ill, like chronic, chronic disease, chronic,

• 1:04:51Speaker 00

  like all sorts of chronic things that you that you see. And and I find that's really interesting because there there are small slices of the population, but at extreme edges. And the one thing I will say they have in common is. Each one of these groups of people are hypersensitive to their environment. They understand when something is off and when they're they're they're operating at a high level. They understand that and they and they're trying to always stay at that high level. When you're sick, that means you're just trying to increase your baseline and you're trying to stay at that baseline. And you're trying to move up a little bit more. As an elite performer, you're trying not to drop and you're getting incremental. You're talking like, you know, milliseconds.

• 1:05:29Gary Brecka?

  Right, like when you talk about the UFC.

• 1:05:31Speaker 00

  UFC, it's milliseconds.

• 1:05:33Gary Brecka?

  Millisecond.

• 1:05:33Speaker 00

  And so when it comes to the the the people that are hypersensitive, EHS, and I think there's a they have a new acronym that they're that they're using now for that that particular group. I typically find there's another source or another thing that they're dealing with. I see Lyme disease a lot. People that have Lyme disease typically are also find themselves to be sensitive. And I don't.

• 1:05:58Gary Brecka?

  I could see that.

• 1:05:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. And we have a great story, a gentleman named Mike Bender, who wrote a really good article in Men's Health. We should put a link in the show notes because it's one of my favorite articles.

• 1:06:11Gary Brecka?

  I'll link it in the show.

• 1:06:11Speaker 00

  It's called Quiet, The Quiet House. And he's a screenwriter for Comedy Central. He lived in LA. His wife was, you know, on MTV. So they're in the Hollywood world, right? And he's a New York Times bestseller. And he had Lyme disease as a as a young kid and basically has been on this journey to create a world that he can, an environment that he can actually function in because of how sensitive he became. And so he shares this crazy story in in this Men's Health article. And so I wrote a little small blog post about it. And then so he emailed us and he was like, and I'm thinking, I'm in trouble because I was so happy with this article. I love how he approached this complex topic. And it wasn't just EMF, it was all sorts of things. It was noise.

• 1:06:54Speaker 00

  It was it was just he was his nervous system was just hyperactive.

• 1:06:58Gary Brecka?

  Hypersensitive.

• 1:06:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, hypersensitive. And and it was just had all these really negative consequences. So. So he messages me and I'm like, oh no, I didn't get permission to, you know, summarize his article. Like maybe he's mad at me. He's like, no, I want to talk to you guys. And he's like, I, for a decade, I haven't been able to leave my house. And he's like, really? Your product, I built a van and put your product in it. And I'm now, for the first time, going to take my kids skiing.

• 1:07:21Gary Brecka?

  No.

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  Crazy story. And so we've, we've, you know, gotten to know each other. He lives in Santa Barbara. He did what you did. He built a house. And, and not only he built the house, he had to, he had to pay attention to the electromagnetic fields of the earth because there's a lot of inconsistency in the earth's field as well. So he can walk out there and tell you like where things are buried, like power line, like he's super sensitive. Yeah. So he went and mapped it all and then had, had the guys that come and like actually check. And he'd already had flags in all the spots. That's how sensitive he is. So he's got a great story. And so, so we have some videos with him because I just, I can't, I can't stress enough like how cool he is and a good story. And he's just super credible, but his experience is great to kind of share about that.

• 1:08:07Speaker 00

  And I just, I don't know the biological, like reasons why, but I tend to find that there's something else layered on. And that's kind of what I think I said early in this conversation is EMF makes everything worse.

• 1:08:23Gary Brecka?

  Yes.

• 1:08:23Speaker 00

  Right? And so if you already have something, it's going to exacerbate that issue already. Or if you didn't have something, you might develop something because your system's being eroded over time because of the signaling challenge that you have. And so I think that's what I see. If I was to just say, hey, again, I'm not saying for sure anything, but the, what I see in the data in our hundreds of thousands of, I think a million now, devices that we have out there and all the feedback we have, that's what I see is like the commonality.

• 1:08:54Gary Brecka?

  So, so you know, for, let's say aside from, you know, an Aries device or one of your products, what are some things people can do to mitigate those in their house? We talked about what they do on flights, like hardwire internet, should they turn wifi routers off at night?

• 1:09:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's a great one. I'm going to say one thing that's going to blow your mind. It's going to be completely counterintuitive.

• 1:09:16Gary Brecka?

  Okay.

• 1:09:17Speaker 00

  If you want to have Wi-Fi in your house, you should do everything to make sure that that Wi-Fi signal is as clear and clean as possible. So the better the signal, the less EMF, because the less complex the field is.

• 1:09:32Gary Brecka?

  Ah.

• 1:09:33Speaker 00

  Right?

• 1:09:33Gary Brecka?

  That makes sense. So it's, it's actually if you have strong signal in one area, weak signal in another area, no signal in a different area, and you, you're actually making the field dirtier for a lack of a better word.

• 1:09:45Speaker 00

  Great word.

• 1:09:45Gary Brecka?

  Increasing the

• 1:09:46Speaker 00

  Noisier, it's noisier.

• 1:09:47Gary Brecka?

  Small, noisier.

• 1:09:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:49Gary Brecka?

  That makes sense.

• 1:09:50Speaker 00

  So that I would

• 1:09:51Gary Brecka?

  sound counterintuitive.

• 1:09:53Speaker 00

  It does sound counterintuitive, right?

• 1:09:55Gary Brecka?

  Said it.

• 1:09:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, it sounds counterintuitive, but that's one of the best pieces of advice I have for that. The other thing I would say is like

• 1:10:00Gary Brecka?

  So not disconnecting it and then reconnecting it.

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  No, like I said, if you insist on having the Wi-Fi, then, then that's great. And I, I think, fine, have the Wi-Fi.

• 1:10:08Gary Brecka?

  You gotta have Wi-Fi, man.

• 1:10:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, right. You gotta have Wi-Fi.

• 1:10:11Gary Brecka?

  I mean, unless you're just

• 1:10:11Speaker 00

  Unless you're hardwiring, you're moving around, which a lot of people do, you know, like, like I would say, especially people that are hypersensitive, like, they have to be very thoughtful about crafting and curating their environment around their sensitivities. And so I think that's just one thing I just wanted to mention, like, it's so counterintuitive. Like, people get all, like, angry at me sometimes, like, no, it can't be, it can't be, better signal, you know? That's not, because it's not about power, right? It's not about power, it's about clarity. And it's about clarity for

• 1:10:37Gary Brecka?

  Because your, your body can deal with a constant.

• 1:10:40Speaker 00

  That's my point, yeah.

• 1:10:41Gary Brecka?

  Doesn't, you know, it's, it's the change, the, it's the erratic, you know, behavior of the field.

• 1:10:49Speaker 00

  We did another study because I've, I've been kind of poking around this, this complexity issue, which I think, just think it's overlooked and misunderstood. If you go back and you look at a lot of literature, a lot of the studies are like one cellphone, one router. And I said, well, put two in there, put three in there, put them, put them far apart and make them talk to each other. And we did this recent study, again, it's not out yet, this one's, this one is Going a kind of a roundabout way because of the peer review process. It's in Singapore, a group out of Singapore right now is doing this peer review on it. And we used different strains of rats because they have different genetic kind of like predispositions of one has a tendency to be more anxiety and one has more excitability.

• 1:11:31Speaker 00

  And so what we were looking at was how does EMF, if there's a genetic like, we know that this rat is already-

• 1:11:40Gary Brecka?

  Like an epigenetic influence to an already-

• 1:11:42Speaker 00

  What then happens, yeah, from a genetic standpoint, how does that then change the behavior? And by the way, the results are pretty crazy. Like they're crazy in the fact that like depression and EMF is linked. We like, like I said, I can't, again, can't confidently say that because it's no studies. But in our research and what I see when we do our brain scans, like the EEG, you see those parts of the brain that regulate mood, anxiety, you see all that fire, you see it in the heart, right? Like you see, you see the heart change. And so we saw that in the mice. And so that was really interesting, but it was magnified when we put in like, we added more devices at different frequency levels. And so again, the complexity of the field-

• 1:12:23Gary Brecka?

  So has it got more complex?

• 1:12:24Speaker 00

  Yes, the complexity of the field-

• 1:12:25Gary Brecka?

  The impact was greater.

• 1:12:26Speaker 00

  Their signaling within the body is affected.

• 1:12:29Gary Brecka?

  Not to ask the obvious question, but how do you measure depression in a mouse?

• 1:12:32Speaker 00

  So, so they put them in-

• 1:12:35Gary Brecka?

  He looks so sad.

• 1:12:35Speaker 00

  They, yeah, exactly. They look at their facial expressions. No, they, they put them in these dark rooms, or these like dark places. And they, the way that they interact when they're in these, in these stressful situations. And so there's a, there's a variety of these different tests. And, and based upon what I understand, again, I'm, this isn't what I do, but there's a protocol for this that is accepted and like people understand. And that's how they know this strain is already like, we know that strain acts this way and we know this strain is excited. Like we know, we know that because of these, this protocol. So it was essentially an existing protocol that we were following. And, and again, I could even be getting it wrong, but as I was reading through it, because it's coming to me in a different language and I'm trying to translate it and then I have a translator and it's usually a mess, right? Like to get that out, but, but that's it.

• 1:13:20Speaker 00

  They're following a protocol. That's like been established around how do we measure that in mice first? Going back to my point, though, of like, what can I do in my environment? It's reducing the amount of technology if I can, like, do you need your refrigerator connected to wifi? Do you need your washer and dryer? Do you need your robot vacuum? Like, all, look at all the things.

• 1:13:38Gary Brecka?

  You're increasing the complexity with all of this communication.

• 1:13:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so I would be thoughtful about that. Those that can opt out of the smart power meter, I would opt out. I did just no reason for it. And I would be, like I said, I would really think about clarity of signal. I think the clarity of signal, like the signal to noise concept is the same when it comes to the biology. Like, the better signal you can create for your biology, the better life that you're gonna have, right? Like, that's just fact.

• 1:14:07Gary Brecka?

  Totally agree with that, yeah.

• 1:14:08Speaker 00

  And so, the same thing with your technology. The better technology, the better signal there, the better it's gonna perform and the less chaos, the less noise that's gonna be created. And together, when you do those things together, you, the biology likes that. The biology likes better, cleaner signal. So reducing interference is always better.

• 1:14:23Gary Brecka?

  They can deal with it and the consistency of it and the uniformity of it.

• 1:14:27Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:28Gary Brecka?

  To do that. Do you find that women are more sensitive to EMFs than men?

• 1:14:32Speaker 00

  And, yeah, you know, I think, kind of a nod to some other people that have talked about this already that did a really good job. Like, Andrew Huberman did a really good podcast on the reproductive system for men and women. He also talked about breast tissue. And there were a couple of things that I would say just kind of either added to that or, and kind of saying that. But I would definitely check his stuff out because he, he had his team go through and aggregate all the data and they came, like conclusively, the cellphone in your pocket, if you're a man, is going to disrupt everything, right? It's gonna affect sperm mobility, it's gonna affect testosterone production.

• 1:15:05Gary Brecka?

  Your back pocket or?

• 1:15:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, like, just, yeah, put it on airplane mode if it's gonna be in your pocket. And so I thought that was, I was really excited that he, that he did that. And then the other thing he talked about, and I heard this from, from Dr. Drew as well. If everyone remembers Dr. Drew.

• 1:15:21Gary Brecka?

  I don't talk to Drew, yeah.

• 1:15:22Speaker 00

  Yeah, good dude, good dude, yeah. I was on his show a while back and he kind of came prepared for this conversation and he talked about cells that reproduce frequently typically have a higher Rate of of air in the presence of EMF, if you will, like like.

• 1:15:35Gary Brecka?

  Higher rate of error.

• 1:15:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, air. Yeah. And so when they're because of EMF impacting the signaling essentially, right? And so breast tissue is one of those cells that reproduces a higher rate as as are a lot of the reproductive, areas. So and so you see a lot of the tissues and things like that. Now, there are some other factors that would be on there like heat, heat, not from EMF, to be clear. Like, I don't want to talk about, you know, the thermal effects of EMF, because that's that's the part that that everyone wants to point to say, no, the government says that's fine. I'm just talking about the cell phone getting hot next to your breast or your your your pocket because of it's trying to get it's trying to get a signal, right? Or the fact that it's just hot because it's hot.

• 1:16:17Speaker 00

  Changes in temperature like that, even subtle, will create problems, biological problems. And that's that's often covered in literature, too. And so there's different factors there. But I think women are more intuitive about it. And I also think that their system is more complex, the hormone system, the regulations and and the communications. They're just more complex in a way. And I think that they're more sensitive to the disruption. So I do think that they are. I don't know if they absolutely are from biological perspective. I think from a felt experience perspective, I think that they are.

• 1:16:51Gary Brecka?

  So now, these devices that you have, they're they're because if I put it in my car and I put it in a cup holder and I've got all this stuff going on my dash. You know, the screen is in front of me and my body is here, and this is down here in my cup holder. Is it changing the cloud? Is it actually it's it's redirecting these frequencies, softening them, for lack of better words, or creating some kind of consistency in this cloud? So basically, tuning the environment?

• 1:17:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:17:19Gary Brecka?

  Is that kind of what's what's happening?

• 1:17:21Speaker 00

  Yes, it's tuning the field.

• 1:17:22Gary Brecka?

  Because again, intuitively intuitively, I would think I want it to be between me and the source. But again, that's going back to this being sort of a an arrow or a laser beam, and it's actually the complexity of the field.

• 1:17:35Speaker 00

  It's three dimensional.

• 1:17:36Gary Brecka?

  Even even. So that's how it can work if it's not in a direct line.

• 1:17:39Speaker 00

  A hundred percent. Yeah. And and actually, the there's a resonant effect and a coupling effect. And again, this gets into more like wave theory and physics, which I don't think we should touch on. But the idea that when waves couple together, when they're in phase, it does increase the the the area because you've added power to a specific way. So there is a lot of. Interference occurring, but it's stabilized and it's it's calculated, it's tuned. So with the Ares interacting, it also creates a three dimensional hologram, if you will. And that's what you see in the infrared imaging, by the way, is is a more of a three dimensional view. It's not, I say it as if it's really large in the imaging. It's it's not really large because it fade, the the infrareds fade so quickly.

• 1:18:24Speaker 00

  But but you get it and you understand the exponential like mathematically equation of how that then spans out. But yeah, what you just said is right. Like, people get confused with like directional like beaming, and that's not how it works.

• 1:18:41Gary Brecka?

  And how far from the actual device is it? Is it tuning? Is it six feet? Is it eight feet? Is it?

• 1:18:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's another common question. The the differences between the devices, there are, we have some measurements on the website you can look at. The larger one is pretty effective. Like, this is, this room's probably, I don't know, 15 by 15, maybe a little larger. That would be, the one of them would be sufficient in.

• 1:19:07Gary Brecka?

  And where would you put it if you just said it around this pocket?

• 1:19:10Speaker 00

  I mean, I, there's two, there's kind of two points of reference, right? It's like the source of of EMF and then where we are. I prefer to have it where we are versus like the source. Because, yes, I'm concerned about the source, but I'm really more concerned about the space that I occupy. Right? And if there's enough complexity in our environment, there's enough complexity to to to create the effect that we want within within the resonator of our product, right? With our technology. And so what I mean by that is if there's not enough energy or complexity within the field that we occupy, then it doesn't matter anyways. It's not going to affect us. Does that make sense? So if there's enough for it to create an effect with our with our technology, then then we're we're good because it's here. Right? Does that make sense?

• 1:19:54Gary Brecka?

  And you also might not know of other sources. I mean, you can't, I mean, obviously, you know where your Wi Fi router is and where your, you know, outlets are. But, you know, you may not know what other sources are coming through your windows and walls and what other, you know, fields are being.

• 1:20:07Speaker 00

  I think it's interesting, like, you bring up a good point, like. I think back, not even that long ago, I had like, I could count on my hand the number of devices I had in my house, right? And I had like a wired router forever, right?

• 1:20:18Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:18Speaker 00

  Because I liked the higher speed.

• 1:20:19Gary Brecka?

  Everything's got Bluetooth, everything.

• 1:20:21Speaker 00

  Everything is connected.

• 1:20:22Gary Brecka?

  I'm not kidding.

• 1:20:23Speaker 00

  You have

• 1:20:24Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:24Speaker 00

  the exponential curve of connected devices in our environment is that timeline is so condensed in such exponential drive up of the number of devices in our environment, our bodies have not evolved to adapt to that. That's just the truth. And so our bodies adapted to natural Schumann-like resonances from the earth. And that's what our bodies like, that's what we developed. That's, that's our biology.

• 1:20:55Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:55Speaker 00

  And now we're quickly thrust into this new technogenically charged world of complex frequencies. And that's why I think this conversation is moving so quickly right now. That's why that 49ers conversation is moving. I think that's why we have, we were going that conversation with the 49ers, the number of trainers that we talk to in, in professional sports and actually provide solutions to is, would blow your mind. But what I found interesting when I kind of started to learn that world was there are people on staff, their job is to, and they get bonused on the number of minutes played, like not injured across the team, right? So their whole job is to, like you were saying, to not, yeah,

• 1:21:36Speaker 00

  get injured. And I find that really interesting. And so the fact that these guys like incentivize to find all the different ways to keep people on the field and healthy.

• 1:21:44Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Speaker 00

  It's fascinating to me.

• 1:21:45Gary Brecka?

  Well, I mean, think about the cost. I mean, especially again, going back to non-contact injuries. I mean, you know, you just like want to just pound your head because you go, you know, you, you understand trauma, but

• 1:21:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:56Gary Brecka?

  you know, when, when it's like, are they overtrained? Are they under recovered? Or, you know, are they dehydrated? You know, and it, those are, those are. Modifiable factors.

• 1:22:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:07Gary Brecka?

  You know, and I would imagine now the conversation shifting to EMF. It's gonna be really interesting to see how this plays out with the 49ers. If there's anything publicly you can disclose, you know, along this journey, it'd be really interesting.

• 1:22:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I think, I think that we'll definitely stay close on that because I do think it's an interesting conversation and I think it's worth people asking the questions. I think if I'm a player there, I'm definitely asking the questions.

• 1:22:28Gary Brecka?

  Oh, yeah, if I'm a player, I'm just getting it just in case.

• 1:22:30Speaker 00

  And I, by the way, I think, I think the theory originated from the players. If, if I follow the article correctly.

• 1:22:38Speaker 00

  And again, as I mentioned to you earlier, like, like, there's a quite a few players on that team already that are customers and notable players. And so I'm not shocked. As a matter of fact, I was in a conversation with someone that I work with that helps me with a lot of our sports partnerships. And I told him, like, remember when I first met you? It was about players and the 49ers. That was when our first sports conversations was the 49ers.

• 1:23:00Gary Brecka?

  Wow.

• 1:23:01Speaker 00

  So, um, yeah, I'm excited to see where that goes. But I think, again, I'm more excited about the fact that, that you're seeing this conversation enter the, the cultural dialogue, which is what's exciting for me.

• 1:23:11Gary Brecka?

  Well, I'm really excited about these two studies that you got on the way to being

• 1:23:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:15Gary Brecka?

  published. And I think anything that, you know, you can do to help the consumer understand, I think I even got more clarity.

• 1:23:24Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:24Gary Brecka?

  Out of this podcast, I really appreciate you coming on because I did think of these fields as being fired or, or, or moving out in a, in a trajectory in a wave-like fashion. But, you know, now that you've explained the complexity of all of these different fields overlapping Wi-Fi, 5G, 3G, you know, microwave, radio wave, infrared, you know, there, there are all of these different complex signals coming in at a finite level to our cellular biology. And you're right, you know, a lot of our cellular biology and, and the way we eliminate waste and detoxify and repair and regenerate is based on how we can move molecules across different.

• 1:24:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:04Gary Brecka?

  Boundaries, across different membranes. And virtually all of that has to do with electrical signaling.

• 1:24:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:10Gary Brecka?

  So it makes intuitive sense and I, and I also like that you didn't. Come in here and, and draw these vast analogies to this causes cancer.

• 1:24:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Gary Brecka?

  You know, and this prevents cancer. Because I don't think it's that simple and these are not, you know, straight.

• 1:24:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:26Gary Brecka?

  Straight lines. So I'm, I'm delighted that you came on the ultimate human podcast, man. I, you know, I, um, I wind down and I hope this brought clarity to you guys too. I mean, I've, I've actually, you know, some, some podcasts I get on because I'm, I get guests on here because I'm interested and, and, and I really enjoy the conversations. And other times I feel like I've really packed away some knowledge and that's, that's one of those.

• 1:24:49Speaker 00

  I appreciate that, man. And, and I appreciate you sharing your platform. I'm really passionate about the mission and, you know, that, that we're on and a lot of people ask me how I got involved. And I, it's one of those weird things like, you know, in my background, I don't know, 25, well, I've been saying 25 years now for probably 27 years. I'm probably closer to 30 years.

• 1:25:11Gary Brecka?

  I can modify that.

• 1:25:11Speaker 00

  Yeah, probably 30 years now, but, um, it's one of those things where like, I probably had no business running this company because I had been kind of deeply entrenched in other, other like businesses, but.

• 1:25:22Gary Brecka?

  You're kind of a brand guy. I mean.

• 1:25:24Speaker 00

  Yeah, more like, yeah, brand growth, building, you know, companies and stuff like that. And so, um, I gotta live, give a lot of credit to my wife because I always just call her a hippie for lack of a better term. But I would say there's probably three people, my wife.

• 1:25:38Gary Brecka?

  Not, not, doesn't have the negative.

• 1:25:39Speaker 00

  Not anymore. Right. Yeah.

• 1:25:41Gary Brecka?

  People are like, oh, hey, barefoot, grass fed meat.

• 1:25:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:43Gary Brecka?

  Pasteurized eggs. I love it.

• 1:25:45Speaker 00

  I would say my wife Andrea, well, if people, if you're in the inner circle, you call her Andy. I'm, I'm still fighting to get into that inner circle. So we'll call her Andrea. And I would say Tim Ferriss and Drew Green. Not, I don't know Tim Ferriss, but his book, The Four Hour Body. He has a section in there about EMF. And because I didn't quite listen to my wife back in 1999 and 2000, and when she was like, I don't know about all these, this new, um, wireless phone. That's now 2.4 gigahertz.

• 1:26:12Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:12Speaker 00

  Versus the 900 megahertz that we used to have, right? He's like, I don't know about that. My, I'm sensing that this technology might be bad for us. So she kind of turned me on early on. And, um, but then his book came out. I can't remember what year that is. Been some time now, fifteen, twenty years.

• 1:26:26Gary Brecka?

  Yeah, I still quote his thirty, thirty, thirty.

• 1:26:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's great. But he has a chapter in there about if you want to like quadruple some crazy absurd number of your testosterone. And the main takeaway was take the cellphone out of your pocket.

• 1:26:37Gary Brecka?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:38Speaker 00

  And I thought that was really fat and really bold, by the way, at that time.

• 1:26:40Gary Brecka?

  Oh.

• 1:26:40Speaker 00

  Like, nobody was talking about that.

• 1:26:42Gary Brecka?

  He was way out on that one.

• 1:26:43Speaker 00

  And so now, because I'm like, look, I'm a, I'm a big fan of Tim's, his work. I've always connected with him because I'd like his approach. He's like, he's like with you. It feels like when you're going through these things. So he's a great teacher in that respect. And then I'll say Drew Green. So Drew Green is the chairman of Ares. He's also the CEO of Inachina, which is a massive, you know, menswear company. And so he's the one that reached out to me and said, hey, you know, I like your background. Come look at this company. And I was like, okay, you know, like everyone does, right? Dismisses it, whatever, all crazy negative things that you want to say about it. And, um, but it was like, ask all your questions. Here's all our research. What do you want to talk about?

• 1:27:22Gary Brecka?

  That's awesome.

• 1:27:22Speaker 00

  And I would say the thing that really I just connected with was the simplicity of the solution. I know it sounds complex, but you're talking about two or three different things combined. By the way, the two or three things combined, the, the shapes, the, the fractal resonator, the geometry. Ares didn't invent any of that. That's all existing technology and well-understood physics. They just layered them together to create a specific outcome. So they've been chasing this outcome, this like arrangement for years. And it wasn't until the silicon came out and we could etch it the way that we did, that they could, they finally unlocked the solution. And so.

• 1:28:00Gary Brecka?

  It's kind of cool.

• 1:28:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, it was really cool. And so when I understood that and I had, you know, access to the, to the team and the physics guys and the biology people and watch them kind of fight with each other because they're, they think that they know the person's job, like super interesting because they have these very deep fields. I was just like, I can't get enough of this. And I, as a brand guy, I always love things that are slightly controversial. You have a polarizing thing, you typically know you're on to something. But I would also say just, I just felt like, man, if this. If I could communicate this to the world, the change in the empowerment that you give back to people that don't even know that they're being affected, and you give them this opportunity. Anyways, I just get really passionate about that. It was really exciting to do that.

• 1:28:42Speaker 00

  So I couldn't not do this job. I don't know if I can say this right, but yeah.

• 1:28:48Gary Brecka?

  Well, you're doing a good job at it. So I wind down all my podcasts by asking my guests the same question, and there's no right or wrong answer to this question. But what does it mean to you to be an ultimate human?

• 1:28:59Speaker 00

  Interesting. I think, man, I should have prepared for this. I should have scripted something.

• 1:29:07Gary Brecka?

  Dude, you've seen the podcast. You know the question's coming.

• 1:29:09Speaker 00

  I know, dude. I know.

• 1:29:10Gary Brecka?

  I've asked every single guest.

• 1:29:11Speaker 00

  I'll tell you, as a father and as a husband, I think being an ultimate human is actually preparing yourself mentally, physically, emotionally, to do that job extremely well. And I think oftentimes, we overlook some of those elements that I just said, like the, sometimes it's not mental, sometimes it's not emotional, sometimes it's not physical, and we get sloppy, we get lazy, and I take that job really seriously. And so to me, being an ultimate human is the ability to do that well, so that my kids can then keep doing that well over time, and so that it really affects multiple people, multiple generations.

• 1:29:48Gary Brecka?

  That's awesome, man. Well, thank you for coming on the Ultimate Human Podcast, brother. This was amazing. We're definitely gonna have you back when you get those articles published. I'd love to have you send them over. I'll link them in the show notes. And until next time, guys, that's just science.