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• 1:59Speaker 04

  All right, quiet, let's go for it.

• 2:10Speaker 05

  How you gonna make your way in the world when you weren't cut out for working? And your fingers are slender and frail? How you gonna get around in this sleazy bedroom town? If you don't play yourself up for sale? Where you gonna go with your scarves and your miracles? Who's gonna know who you are? Drugs and wine and flattering light?

• 2:52Speaker 05

  You must try again till you get it right. And maybe you'll end up with someone different every night.

• 3:08Speaker 05

  All these people with no home to go home to. They'd all love to spend the night with you. Maybe I would too. Tell me how you gonna make your way in the world when you weren't cut out for working? And you just can't concentrate? And you always show up late?

• 3:52Speaker 05

  You said you were an actor? Well, I believe you are. But I thought you would be a star. So I drank up all our money? With these phonies in this Hollywood bar? With these friends of mine in this Hollywood bar?

• 4:27Speaker 05

  Loneliness and frustration. You and I have both calmed down with an acute case. But when the lights came up at 2:00 and I caught a glimpse of you, and your face looked like something death brought with him in a suitcase. Oh, your pretty face looked so wasted. Another pretty face.

• 5:17Speaker 05

  French inhaler stamped and mailed her. So long, Norman. So long, Norman.

• 6:10Adam Friedland?

  Welcome to a very special episode of The Adam Friedland Show. Guys, it's me, Adam. Real quick, before we jump in, low-ticket warning. February 19th through the 21st, Helium Comedy Club, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I will be there. In addition, I'll be in Portland next month, March 27th through the 29th, and Los Angeles, May 9th. They added a second show at the Regent Theater. There's a link in the description for tickets. And as you have seen already, my guest this week is singer-songwriter M.J. Lenderman. Give it up for him, guys. Woo!

• 6:43Adam Friedland?

  MJ actually performed two songs for us in the studio, and the full performance will be released on Friday, February thir- Friday the 13th? What are we doing?

• 6:54Speaker 04

  That's what I wrote in here.

• 6:56Adam Friedland?

  Oh, you already wrote this in there?

• 6:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I keep reading it.

• 6:58Adam Friedland?

  Way to tick. Friday the 13th?

• 7:02Adam Friedland?

  Scream at top of the lungs? So, no, I'm just kidding. It's not scary.

• 7:09Adam Friedland?

  We're gonna be releasing more live performances with great musicians. We've recorded a couple of them already. How many, Thomas? Two, three, three others. Some of them will be longer episodes of the Adam Friedland Show. Some of them will be shorter, just performances and then five-minute interviews. Guys, it's gonna be great. It's Taps Unplugged. Look at the fucking logo. It's Taps Unplugged. For the full MJ Lenderman performance, stick around Friday the 13th. It's not scary. It's coming out. And there are more exciting guests to come.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  Including rap.

• 7:45Adam Friedland?

  We had a rap? We had, we had a rap on Friday?

• 7:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:51Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. So guys, please enjoy my interview with MJ Lenderman.

• 7:58Adam Friedland?

  It's really good. He looks like a young David Letterman. Alright. Guys.

• 8:06Adam Friedland?

  I don't like, I make all the guests do walkouts and it's actually very, I don't like it. Oh, Zach, thank you. Can you guys get this stuff out here? Both. Hi. What up, twin? That was a great performance. Give it up for Jake, guys.

• 8:21Adam Friedland?

  When we've had rappers on the show, I get Don Hooly for them. And I've, I wanted to pay tribute. Thank you. So it's not, this is the most expensive one, just so you know. I don't know how to open this. What do you mean you don't know how? I don't know. I feel like there's probably some sort of- You're not a rapper, obviously. Have you chilled with rappers since you? Uh, just my, uh, middle school basketball coach, Roland Green. Roland Green? I made beats for him. They let, you made beats for your, wait, did you have to call him Coach Rolling Green? No, he had, he had a normal name as a coach. What was it?

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Coach Scott.

• 8:57Adam Friedland?

  That's pretty cool. Here you go.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  Thanks.

• 9:00Adam Friedland?

  To be to you. Thank you. Welcome to the show. We had the other young buck in the studio. He watched you.

• 9:06Speaker 04

  Who'd that be?

• 9:07Adam Friedland?

  Cameron, dude. Dude, you said he was taller than you? He's literally one inch taller than you.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  No, he's not. He's like two feet taller than me.

• 9:15Adam Friedland?

  What are you talking about? Oh, this is like-

• 9:17Speaker 04

  I was standing up here.

• 9:18Adam Friedland?

  Dude, we saw the young bucks and then we saw Unc, my friend Riley, and it was like, I was at a dog park. And you guys were all smelling each other's butts.

• 9:29Adam Friedland?

  You're all peeing in different corners. Yeah, it was definitely like, it was like the Don't Look Back Donovan, Bob Dylan battle. You've seen that, right, of course?

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm forgetting though.

• 9:39Adam Friedland?

  Bob is like, Donovan's like playing a really beautiful song. You could just see him like not like, he just wants to like defeat. He wants to destroy and he's like, he's like antsy and then he takes the guitar.

• 9:50Speaker 04

  That's why Cameron just left.

• 9:51Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. You just, you just, you just don't look back to him. Yeah. And then he peed in the corner.

• 10:01Adam Friedland?

  Have you met any of your goats yet, since you've become a rocker?

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, the truckers.

• 10:07Adam Friedland?

  Those, that was your favorite band growing up?

• 10:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, Dinosaur Jr.

• 10:10Adam Friedland?

  Oh, sick. Riley, Riley's boys with them too. Give it up for Riley.

• 10:17Adam Friedland?

  You went on tour with them, no?

• 10:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, a long time ago.

• 10:21Adam Friedland?

  Alright.

• 10:24Adam Friedland?

  Alright, it's cool that kids are in bands again. We had a millennial conversation with all the millennials and we're like, I think that there's never gonna be another band. And now you guys are all like, I mean, it's really nice that like kids like Neil again and so.

• 10:38Speaker 04

  Kids like Neil?

• 10:39Adam Friedland?

  Like you.

• 10:40Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 10:40Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, baby bros like Neil.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  I was like, he's pretty old, but.

• 10:44Adam Friedland?

  You don't like Neil Young?

• 10:45Speaker 04

  I love Neil.

• 10:46Adam Friedland?

  As a guy?

• 10:46Speaker 04

  No, no. I have the Neil Young Archives app on my phone.

• 10:50Adam Friedland?

  Oh, sick. What, cause he's off of Spotify, cause Joe Rogan podcast?

• 10:54Speaker 04

  He's back on Spotify.

• 10:55Adam Friedland?

  Oh, he made-

• 10:55Speaker 04

  I bought it while he was off of Spotify and then, and then he went back on.

• 11:00Adam Friedland?

  He made peace with-

• 11:01Speaker 04

  So I'm a little mad at him for that, but.

• 11:02Adam Friedland?

  How much was the Archives app?

• 11:06Speaker 04

  I don't remember. It's ten dollars a year, maybe?

• 11:08Adam Friedland?

  I mean, ten dollars a year?

• 11:10Speaker 04

  Maybe a month.

• 11:10Adam Friedland?

  A month?

• 11:12Speaker 04

  That's like Netflix money. No, I think it's a year.

• 11:15Adam Friedland?

  It was really nice of him that he became an American citizen so he could vote for Bernie. I thought that was a really sweet thing of him. I don't remember if you, I don't know if you know that. I don't know if you're old enough to know Bernie. He ran for president in 2020 and 2016. He's this Jewish guy.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  Bernie?

• 11:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, you know. I hear you're an old soul.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  Bernie Sanders.

• 11:34Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, Bernie Sanders.

• 11:36Adam Friedland?

  You grew up Catholic in North, in Asheville, North, Cashville, North Carolina? Yeah?

• 11:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:42Adam Friedland?

  You were altar boy? What did you have to do for that? You had to like swing the incense?

• 11:46Speaker 04

  Um, well, you start as the...

• 11:49Adam Friedland?

  You step up in the game?

• 11:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:51Adam Friedland?

  An acolyte?

• 11:51Speaker 04

  I think acolyte, maybe no, book bearer is the first one. You bring the books up to the priest.

• 11:55Adam Friedland?

  And that's like a little boy?

• 11:57Speaker 04

  That's the young buck?

• 11:58Adam Friedland?

  Young bull.

• 11:59Speaker 04

  And then, and then you got the acolyte, that's big bro.

• 12:05Speaker 04

  And then the cross bearer, that's when, that's when you're altar.

• 12:07Adam Friedland?

  You worked your way up to cross?

• 12:08Speaker 04

  Yeah. I was one of the best altar servers of all time.

• 12:11Adam Friedland?

  You didn't drop that shit once?

• 12:12Speaker 04

  No, but I did put it on sideways.

• 12:14Adam Friedland?

  You put the cross upside down?

• 12:16Speaker 04

  Sideways.

• 12:16Adam Friedland?

  Oh, okay.

• 12:17Speaker 04

  This is like a square base and I put it down and then I went sat down and the cross was facing me.

• 12:22Adam Friedland?

  Oh, my God.

• 12:24Speaker 04

  You watch Club Shannon?

• 12:26Adam Friedland?

  Club Shea Shea?

• 12:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:27Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, this is Club Shea Shea.

• 12:28Speaker 04

  That's what this feels like.

• 12:31Adam Friedland?

  We're drinking yak right now? Are you, you're, this is gonna be like the, um, the Cat Williams episode.

• 12:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:37Adam Friedland?

  You're gonna tell us about all the freak-offs you've been to?

• 12:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:39Adam Friedland?

  You're gonna tell us about, did they make you put on the dress?

• 12:44Speaker 04

  Adam?

• 12:45Adam Friedland?

  I'm sorry, dude. There have been allegations that Jay Masekis from Dinosaur Jr. has been putting boys like you in dresses.

• 12:53Speaker 04

  I don't think we should be talking about that publicly.

• 12:55Adam Friedland?

  Are you hyped that there's American Pope?

• 12:57Speaker 04

  An American Pope?

• 12:58Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Adam Friedland?

  What are you talking, I'm not even Catholic, I'm hyped on it. It's good for America, dude.

• 13:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I think it's more exciting that he's from Chicago for some reason.

• 13:08Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Sufjan.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:13Adam Friedland?

  Do you think he's ever listened to Chief Keef?

• 13:16Speaker 04

  The Pope?

• 13:16Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, the Pope.

• 13:17Speaker 04

  Certainly.

• 13:17Adam Friedland?

  Most certainly.

• 13:18Speaker 04

  Not, I mean, maybe not intentionally, but...

• 13:20Adam Friedland?

  Definitely out of a car. He's been like, yeah. What is this crap? No, the Pope is cool. We like him. What's his?

• 13:27Speaker 04

  Leo?

• 13:28Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, what is his old name, though?

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Chris?

• 13:32Adam Friedland?

  Chris?

• 13:33Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 13:34Adam Friedland?

  You changed your name to MJ?

• 13:35Speaker 04

  No.

• 13:39Adam Friedland?

  Your name's Jake.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  My middle name's Jacob.

• 13:43Adam Friedland?

  Oh, what, you were afraid of your first name? Mohammed? Sorry. It's the most common name in the world.

• 13:49Speaker 04

  Mark.

• 13:50Adam Friedland?

  Mark?

• 13:51Speaker 04

  Mark Jacob.

• 13:52Adam Friedland?

  Oh, that's kind of fire, then.

• 13:53Speaker 04

  But, yeah, when I started releasing music on the internet when I was in high school, I thought Jake just didn't sound good.

• 14:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  Sounded like a jock.

• 14:03Adam Friedland?

  Jake Lenderman? Yeah, no, it sounds like a kid that definitely has like one thing on the wall and his Pulp Fiction poster. Yeah, it's like, yeah, and he works at Goldman, yeah. Yeah, and he's doing like, he's doing five ads and watching NFL Red Zone.

• 14:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:20Adam Friedland?

  That's a Jake Lenderman look, yeah. I don't know. You think Sinead O'Connor would have been a good Pope, though? She was mad at the Pope.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think she was, she was probably mad at the right things.

• 14:31Adam Friedland?

  It was child abuse or abortion?

• 14:35Speaker 04

  Either or.

• 14:35Adam Friedland?

  Something like that. Have you played in Ireland yet?

• 14:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. It's the best.

• 14:41Adam Friedland?

  Best country.

• 14:42Speaker 04

  I was telling a story on stage when we played in Ireland, and I was talking about the plane ride over there, and I said I was sitting around a bunch of slags. I didn't know what that meant.

• 14:52Adam Friedland?

  It's sluts, yeah.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:53Adam Friedland?

  It means hoes.

• 14:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I thought it meant something else.

• 14:55Adam Friedland?

  What did you think about it?

• 14:56Speaker 04

  Just like a bunch of...

• 14:57Adam Friedland?

  You thought it was a racial slur?

• 14:58Speaker 04

  No.

• 15:00Adam Friedland?

  What did you think slag was?

• 15:01Speaker 04

  I thought it was like, just like...

• 15:03Adam Friedland?

  Like a lazy person?

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Hooligans, you know, like...

• 15:05Adam Friedland?

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 15:06Speaker 04

  Because these guys were like...

• 15:07Adam Friedland?

  That's geezers.

• 15:08Speaker 04

  They were drinking at like 10 a.m. It's a bunch of kids. They were going from Manchester to Ireland, and my bass player was asleep on the plane, and one of them was just like... Smacked him in the head on the plane.

• 15:20Adam Friedland?

  As a, as a bit?

• 15:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, he said, "You good, man?"

• 15:23Adam Friedland?

  He smacked him because he was sleeping?

• 15:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, because he was asleep on a plane.

• 15:27Adam Friedland?

  He doesn't know what asleep is.

• 15:28Speaker 04

  And this dude was drunk as hell.

• 15:30Adam Friedland?

  Your great grandfather was a jazz guy?

• 15:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:34Adam Friedland?

  Was it, you never met Unc?

• 15:36Speaker 04

  No, that's, that's OG.

• 15:37Adam Friedland?

  OG, yeah.

• 15:38Speaker 04

  We, we never met this. He passed away before I was born.

• 15:41Adam Friedland?

  Was he like, uh, like, living hard kind of jazz guy? He was like Heron kind of style? No.

• 15:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:48Adam Friedland?

  He played for that, with the drums guy, what's his name?

• 15:50Speaker 04

  Gene Krupa.

• 15:51Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. It's cool that you could be a bandleader and do drums.

• 15:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:56Adam Friedland?

  Like, dude, what?

• 15:59Adam Friedland?

  Come on, dude. Is this bad attitude rock? Before, before we, uh, we hit play, he was like, "Oh my God, I'm so excited to do this shit." You were like, talking a mile a minute, and then we hit play, and you're like, "I'm fucking, fuck the B2s."

• 16:12Speaker 04

  I got the red light fever.

• 16:13Adam Friedland?

  No, I know. That's why you want this, this, right?

• 16:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:16Adam Friedland?

  Let's do a shot.

• 16:17Speaker 04

  Loosen me up.

• 16:18Adam Friedland?

  We'll loosen you up. I don't know, like, it sounds to me like you grew up in a family where, like, they were very supportive, and like, did they go to gigs?

• 16:24Speaker 04

  Our sets wouldn't start till like 11:00 PM because we're playing it.

• 16:27Adam Friedland?

  You're playing like after your mom's bedtime?

• 16:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. But they were always very cool, like, uh,

• 16:34Speaker 04

  They never, they never, they never told me not to play a show or something.

• 16:37Adam Friedland?

  Did your mom criticize like what you were wearing? She's like, "You can wear something a little nicer." That's what my mom said to me about standup.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember going to school, uh, one morning, she was like, "You look like you just got your hair wet."

• 16:47Adam Friedland?

  They don't know that that's cool.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  I was like, "Yeah, I just took a shower."

• 16:51Adam Friedland?

  Oh, she's an idiot, your mom?

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Nooo.

• 16:54Adam Friedland?

  Your mom's an idiot?

• 16:58Speaker 04

  She, she, she wants the best for me.

• 17:00Adam Friedland?

  Are you gonna be a one that keeps it real? You're gonna be a North Carolina boy for, for life, or?

• 17:06Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 17:07Adam Friedland?

  No, you saw my, I was wearing that coat last night, and you were like...

• 17:10Speaker 04

  I did see the coat, that was tempting.

• 17:13Adam Friedland?

  We went, we got dinner last night, and I had one, a really nice coat, like, uh,

• 17:17Speaker 04

  You kept telling me, I was thinking about it on the drive over here, I was like, the way you were telling me, like, "You gotta get, you gotta get another coat." I was like, I was ma, I was getting self-conscious.

• 17:27Adam Friedland?

  I was criticizing your coat.

• 17:28Speaker 04

  You think my coat's not?

• 17:29Adam Friedland?

  No, I was saying you gotta move to New York and get a coat, like a Don Draper style coat. But that's during like your troubled period, after the divorce.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, I gotta get married first.

• 17:39Adam Friedland?

  You gotta get a, you're gonna have a motorcycle phase. You're gonna have all-

• 17:42Speaker 04

  Motorcycle?

• 17:43Adam Friedland?

  You're gonna have a Christian phase again, yeah.

• 17:45Speaker 04

  That's gonna come back.

• 17:47Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, then you're gonna have a reggae phase, infidel style. Yeah, yeah, you'll make a song called Heil Hitler, and then you'll, uh, no, I'm just kidding, just kidding. I really, um-

• 17:59Speaker 04

  Somebody, somebody just did that, though.

• 18:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but like, that's a phase. I've read, when I, when that song came out, I was like, it's this phase, alright. That, this'll wear off.

• 18:09Speaker 04

  Everybody was like, uh, the song's actually good.

• 18:12Adam Friedland?

  Did you see Kanye, the song, no, uh, the Suck My Cousin's Dick was really good. But he should've done it the, he should, wait, can I be real, he should've done it the other way, right?

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Reverse?

• 18:24Adam Friedland?

  I think he should've done HH, and then everyone's like, fuck, this guy's an asshole, and then followed it up with Suck My Cousin's Dick. And then that would've really sent it over the, over the top.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, and then, because that kind of wraps everything up and explains maybe some trauma that he's dealing with.

• 18:40Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it's clear that he's having like a psychotic break, right? Like, I don't think that Kanye was convincing anyone to either HH or suck their cousin's dicks.

• 18:48Speaker 04

  No.

• 18:49Adam Friedland?

  I don't think that that was a winning message. I think it just seemed like a guy was having a tough time. For me, I used to get a CD, right, like at the mall, and I'd listen for like a month, right? And then, for you guys, you had Spotify probably, you could like listen to any song. And I wonder if that like, cause to me, it's like that either makes music way better, cause you could listen to anything, or it makes it like, like the kids don't have as much of a focus or something.

• 19:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think focus is totally gone, but I'm thankful that I had the resources to listen to whatever I wanted to at any time.

• 19:22Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, we used to have to like, uh, burn each other CDs.

• 19:26Speaker 04

  I burned some CDs.

• 19:27Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 19:28Speaker 04

  I burned me and my dad. A mix from when we were going to basketball tournaments.

• 19:35Adam Friedland?

  Geez, you're obsessed with your dad, dude.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  I put this Eminem song on there.

• 19:39Adam Friedland?

  Which track?

• 19:40Speaker 04

  The one from Relapse with like the Aerosmith sample.

• 19:43Adam Friedland?

  Can you go bar for bar?

• 19:45Speaker 04

  No.

• 19:45Adam Friedland?

  On that, you're a big Eminem fan?

• 19:48Speaker 04

  I was, I was the Eminem kid in school.

• 19:50Adam Friedland?

  Really? I was an awesome power skater.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  He was my iPod background.

• 19:54Adam Friedland?

  Dude, what was your, what was your first Eminem album?

• 19:57Speaker 04

  I think when, when Not Afraid came out, that was, that was like, that was my.

• 20:02Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 20:02Speaker 04

  I knew who he was, but, and then I got like, and then I dug deep and then I heard like a song like Kim on Marshall Mathers LP. And I was like, this is terrifying.

• 20:11Adam Friedland?

  I was listening to that in sixth grade.

• 20:12Speaker 04

  Same.

• 20:13Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, about, I was listening to a song about a man killing his wife and putting her in his trunk.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  I was just so scared of it, but it was like, got obsessed.

• 20:22Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. Do you think that comedy music is good or bad?

• 20:27Speaker 04

  Um.

• 20:27Adam Friedland?

  Do you think funny songs are good?

• 20:30Speaker 04

  I think so.

• 20:32Adam Friedland?

  Cause in the comedy community, it's looked down upon, but I happen to love funny songs.

• 20:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's weird. I don't think anybody really knows what to do with it.

• 20:40Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 20:41Speaker 04

  It's like, it's like not.

• 20:42Adam Friedland?

  For me, it's listen to it.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  People like music that uses humor, but they don't, they don't like it the other way around.

• 20:49Adam Friedland?

  Your lyrics are, your lyrics have humor in them, would you say?

• 20:52Speaker 04

  Hopefully, yeah, to me.

• 20:54Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Did you, do you feel like you've gotten better at writing the lyrics since you've, I mean, you've done four full albums already?

• 21:01Speaker 04

  The first song I ever wrote was called Nightmare.

• 21:04Adam Friedland?

  Sick. What was it about?

• 21:07Speaker 04

  I guess it was about a nightmare I had.

• 21:08Adam Friedland?

  Sick.

• 21:09Speaker 04

  But, uh, my guitar teacher hated it. I showed it to him. He ripped it to shreds.

• 21:15Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 21:15Speaker 04

  He's like, this doesn't make any sense.

• 21:17Adam Friedland?

  Isn't it embarrassing that you wrote that? How old were you when you wrote Nightmare?

• 21:20Speaker 04

  14.

• 21:21Adam Friedland?

  And Metallica's still writing those kind of songs, right? About like.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  It'll rip so heavy though.

• 21:28Adam Friedland?

  What, yeah.

• 21:29Speaker 04

  They have a lot of money.

• 21:31Adam Friedland?

  When, when do you feel like you kind of like popped for the first time? Was that in the last like three years?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:38Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Like, was there a moment where you're like, oh shit, it's going good?

• 21:42Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I mean, that keeps happening in a way that's like.

• 21:46Adam Friedland?

  What was the moment where you realized people knew who you were? And like, how did you deal with that? Cause it's obviously like stressful situation.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  During like COVID, people were talking about it online a lot.

• 21:56Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 04

  And, once we started playing shows again, the crowds were bigger.

• 22:03Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  I guess. And then, but especially like, my record Boat Songs came out in April twenty-two.

• 22:13Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  And then by the end of the, it got put on a bunch of lists. And then, and I started noticing like a lot of, a lot of talk about it, like.

• 22:23Adam Friedland?

  Now you have to put up, go to GQ Man of the Year.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  But I, I, uh, yeah, that was, it was weird. I'd, I'd stopped using socials. But I do, I do.

• 22:34Adam Friedland?

  You can't, don't look.

• 22:36Speaker 04

  I lurk on Twitter, just, just.

• 22:38Adam Friedland?

  Just for Fuentes clips?

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 22:42Adam Friedland?

  Fuentes highlights?

• 22:43Speaker 04

  Youtube Shorts.

• 22:44Adam Friedland?

  Youtube Shorts is fun, yeah. My, my Instagram, um, uh, Reels algorithm is the only safe place for me on the internet. It's the only place where it's not, uh, scary. Twitter, my Twitter algo has gone haywire.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Dude, yeah, it's not good.

• 23:02Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, there was like, there was like killings for a while, and then, uh, so, but Shorts is still just funny. Or Reels, Reels is funny. It's still people saying things the wrong way, it's still people falling over. The internet used to be funny.

• 23:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Now it's scary. Now it's just like slur, MJ Lenderman song, uh, Nick Foot.

• 23:28Adam Friedland?

  Geese.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Exactly.

• 23:29Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. I'm not saying those are all the same kinda thing, I'm just saying it's just.

• 23:33Speaker 04

  That's just, this is what people are talking about.

• 23:34Adam Friedland?

  This is what people are talking about, yeah.

• 23:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's made a huge difference, so to not be looking at that as, as much.

• 23:41Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it just doesn't matter, dude. I mean, at the end of the day, you just wanna make tracks, right?

• 23:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, it's like, and that, that just gets in the way, it's a distraction.

• 23:50Adam Friedland?

  It doesn't matter even when people like. The people think, really. You're just like, as long as, like, have you ever felt good after, like, like finishing a song?

• 24:00Speaker 04

  Every time it feels awesome to finish a song, and then sometimes, within the next couple of days, like, oh, it wasn't that good, but...

• 24:07Adam Friedland?

  Right, like, you look, I feel like everything I've ever done, I look back on it, I'm like, I would change that, I would change that, I would change that, right?

• 24:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, but it's, I think it's cooler to just move forward and...

• 24:17Adam Friedland?

  You have to just forget about it.

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Forget it.

• 24:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:20Adam Friedland?

  The worst part is like, you get really excited at the beginning, and you're like, this is gonna be awesome, and then you try it, and you're like, I am a fucking loser. I have no talent, and you fight against it, and you just drop, you, you just end a project, and you put it out, and you forget about it. It's the best way to work, honestly. You figuring that out now is, is huge.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, there's, there's plenty of things that I've released that I don't love, but it's, it's cooler to just move forward. Get better every time.

• 24:50Adam Friedland?

  You get better every time, right, yeah.

• 24:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, if you're just trapped up, super concerned with only putting out things that are genius, then you'll never put anything out.

• 25:02Adam Friedland?

  Or, also, you suck, dude.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  And you suck.

• 25:04Adam Friedland?

  You suck at music. If anyone finishes something and they're like, this is amazing, then they suck.

• 25:11Adam Friedland?

  No one, like, the only way you get, what I've found is like, in the middle stage, right, with the stage from like, this is so exciting, to, uh, whatever the fuck, just, just put it out. The middle stage is like the gym. That's like, uh...

• 25:26Speaker 04

  The reps.

• 25:27Adam Friedland?

  They hate, it's the reps, right? It's like, I hate myself, I hate the song, I suck, but like, fighting through it is like, kind of, the part where you get better.

• 25:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 25:36Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 25:37Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 25:37Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. That's putting up shots.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  Yeah, putting up some shots, a little bit of discipline, reading some books, maybe.

• 25:43Adam Friedland?

  What's your three-point, uh, percentage? Empty gym?

• 25:47Speaker 04

  Fifty.

• 25:48Adam Friedland?

  Fifty. Dude, isn't it crazy that League is like, if their empty gym, it's kind of like eighty?

• 25:57Adam Friedland?

  They're so good at basketball.

• 25:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, my biggest basketball game I ever played.

• 26:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  I had ten threes.

• 26:04Adam Friedland?

  Ten threes? You were a sniper?

• 26:06Speaker 04

  I was a sniper dude.

• 26:07Adam Friedland?

  Really? What grade was that?

• 26:09Speaker 04

  Seventh.

• 26:10Adam Friedland?

  Seventh grade, ten threes? So you were strong enough not to like, from your chest? You had form?

• 26:16Speaker 04

  I had form.

• 26:17Adam Friedland?

  Dude, have you ever linked with Steph? He's North Carolina.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, he went to Davidson.

• 26:22Adam Friedland?

  Davidson, there you go.

• 26:23Speaker 04

  He loves Paramore, I just learned.

• 26:25Adam Friedland?

  Dude, have you seen that clip of him at the fucking Benson Boone concert, wearing the fucking, wearing the hat?

• 26:31Speaker 04

  No.

• 26:32Adam Friedland?

  I have a theory on the NBA, which is the fact that LeBron is so bad at any type of like, trying to be cool thing, has completely like, shielded Steph from any type of like, scrutiny. Like Steph has been a like, a genius player in an era where there was another genius player and he's been protected.

• 26:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, all their energy is put into being good at basketball. They don't have any skills at anything else.

• 26:58Adam Friedland?

  I just know that LeBron's like, team is like, we will be doing creative on this. And it's always just a fucking brick. It's like, the Hennessy thing you saw, right?

• 27:08Speaker 04

  Was that when he said he was gonna make an announcement?

• 27:10Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  Everybody thought he was gonna retire?

• 27:11Adam Friedland?

  And it was on October 7th. It said, "I'm making an announcement, October 7th, 2025." And it was an ad for Hennessy. Did the girls leave?

• 27:22Speaker 04

  Wonder Man.

• 27:23Adam Friedland?

  Thank God, okay, okay. Dude, we've never had so many girls in here before.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  I know.

• 27:28Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Zach brought them all.

• 27:29Adam Friedland?

  The last girl here was Mia Khalifa. Alright, I was telling you last night, you should get in an indie rock pickup game. I thought you were dapping me.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 27:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  We can dap later.

• 27:41Adam Friedland?

  I wonder who would be in the indie rock pickup game? Thurston Moore?

• 27:45Speaker 04

  He's tall as fuck.

• 27:46Adam Friedland?

  He's tall as fuck.

• 27:48Speaker 04

  He's probably not very good though.

• 27:49Adam Friedland?

  No, he's trash. He's definitely trash at all.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  There's a lot of tall guys out there.

• 27:53Adam Friedland?

  You're obsessed with other guys' heights that are... No, you said that Cameron was way taller than you, he was one inch taller.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  You don't think he's taller?

• 28:01Adam Friedland?

  You're already 6'3", dude.

• 28:03Speaker 04

  I'm not 6'3"?

• 28:04Adam Friedland?

  What are you, 6'2"?

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  I don't know. My license says I'm 5'11".

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• 32:33Adam Friedland?

  Do girls try to get with you because you're a rock star now?

• 32:36Speaker 04

  I don't know, I stay at home a lot.

• 32:39Adam Friedland?

  You stay at home. Are you scared of girls? Is it kind of like a hard day is night situation?

• 32:43Speaker 04

  I have three sisters. My life is ruled by women.

• 32:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, they stress you out?

• 32:47Speaker 04

  Sometimes, but...

• 32:49Adam Friedland?

  And they tell you you can't get any girlfriends?

• 32:51Speaker 04

  They'd say, "I can't have girlfriends."

• 32:53Adam Friedland?

  I wonder what it's like, I mean like...

• 32:55Speaker 04

  It's hard adding a fourth to the fold.

• 32:57Adam Friedland?

  Zach, Zach our friend over here? He told me that girls learn the words to his songs at his gig.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Oh, Zach! That's kind of hard.

• 33:06Adam Friedland?

  Was there a moment where you realized that the kids knew the words?

• 33:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, because they're so fucking loud. Like, sometimes it'll be like, they want, they want to be heard. And it's like, I'm trying to sing a song and I start forgetting the words because I'm like...

• 33:19Adam Friedland?

  Because it's lame to know.

• 33:20Speaker 04

  They're distracting me.

• 33:21Adam Friedland?

  They're being lame for knowing the words.

• 33:23Speaker 04

  It's cool that people are that committed.

• 33:25Adam Friedland?

  Are they annoying?

• 33:26Speaker 04

  Sometimes.

• 33:26Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, they're fucking, yeah. What's the most annoying?

• 33:29Speaker 04

  This guy was in, uh, in, uh... He was at like three shows in a row and he kept telling me to take my shoes off. He said, "Let me see those feet."

• 33:38Adam Friedland?

  No, maybe he was from the website WikiFeet though.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Maybe he's trying to snap some photos for WikiFeet.

• 33:43Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, he's like, "I'm a thorough guy. I need the Lenderman's feet."

• 33:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, after night three of doing that, I was like, "Who is saying this?" And I look at the guy, he's wearing every piece of merch that I have.

• 33:53Adam Friedland?

  To the show?

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:55Adam Friedland?

  That's a, that is the worst look.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  And then, and then he, and then I, once I called him out, he got embarrassed.

• 33:59Adam Friedland?

  What did you say to make him feel embarrassed?

• 34:01Speaker 04

  I said, "Stop it."

• 34:02Adam Friedland?

  Off, from the stage?

• 34:04Speaker 04

  Off mic. I was being nice.

• 34:05Adam Friedland?

  Did you kick him in the head with your shoe?

• 34:07Speaker 04

  Josh Homie style?

• 34:08Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, you're like, "I love these shoes."

• 34:10Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 34:12Adam Friedland?

  So, what relationship did COVID have to your career? Like, you were touring and then it cut it out?

• 34:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, but then, I was like working at an ice cream store. So, through working there, I got unemployment. And I started making more money than I ever made in my life.

• 34:26Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, no, it happened to a lot of friends of mine.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  It was the most prolific period of time for me because we had a really, really fortunate... Living situation too.

• 34:37Adam Friedland?

  Where, you have a nice place?

• 34:38Speaker 04

  Over by the Creekside Tap House that your boy works at.

• 34:41Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. My boy's brother, I didn't know he had a brother for a while. Yeah, so you guys wrote a ton of music?

• 34:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was like the only, it was a weird like view of adulthood. Cause I turned 21 right before that happened and then, and then I have all this free time and more money than I've ever had.

• 34:58Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  And just time to, to actually focus on making stuff. And it was, it was a pretty prolific time, but then, then-

• 35:07Adam Friedland?

  Do you feel like you got better?

• 35:08Speaker 04

  Definitely within that time. That's, that's the best I'd felt about like making things. But, once touring came back, I started being like, when am I gonna have, you know-

• 35:19Adam Friedland?

  Another break?

• 35:20Speaker 04

  Two years off again.

• 35:21Adam Friedland?

  Dude, wouldn't it be nice dude?

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:23Adam Friedland?

  Wuhan dude. I mean, I feel like I would do it better this time. It sounds like you did it great.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  Oh yeah, I mean for the parts of it.

• 35:30Adam Friedland?

  I started painting.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I painted a lot too.

• 35:33Adam Friedland?

  I painted, yeah. How was your painting?

• 35:35Speaker 04

  It was fine. It was, it was, it was nice for the brain though. I think I was getting, getting ideas while I was painting.

• 35:41Adam Friedland?

  I would listen to, I had an archive of Howard Stern and-

• 35:45Speaker 04

  I got obsessed with Howard Stern.

• 35:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  But, Lynn Biscuit guitar auditions. And Beetlejuice comes in with completely naked. He's like, this is my guitar right here.

• 35:54Adam Friedland?

  We were talking yesterday about Beetlejuice, the Obama phone call.

• 36:00Adam Friedland?

  Where Beetlejuice says he doesn't like Obama. They get, some guy calls in, asks, "Oh, Papa."

• 36:07Adam Friedland?

  Do you have goals in being like a musician? Is there like a thing that like, you're like, "Next time I'm gonna do this?"

• 36:14Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I mean like-

• 36:16Adam Friedland?

  What keeps you like motivated?

• 36:19Speaker 04

  Uh, just writing stuff, I guess.

• 36:21Adam Friedland?

  You wanna get better?

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I wanna get better. It's the happiest I am is when I make music, but I've achieved all of my goals.

• 36:30Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 36:30Speaker 04

  I just have to make new ones, I guess, but maybe they're unrelated to music.

• 36:34Adam Friedland?

  I think you just need to just keep making tracks. The best guys are the guys that keep making tracks.

• 36:38Speaker 04

  I just wanna keep, keep making music that I'm happy about. I don't wanna lose. I think it's easy to get- Successful and then start making bad music.

• 36:48Adam Friedland?

  What is like the currency that matters the most? Is it like approval of your peers? Is it like?

• 36:53Speaker 04

  That does mean a lot to me.

• 36:55Adam Friedland?

  If a comedian says, "Good set that I like," I'm like, "That feels good."

• 36:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, that means a lot to me. My own validation from myself.

• 37:03Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but you hate all your stuff, right?

• 37:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 37:06Adam Friedland?

  That's why you're good.

• 37:08Speaker 04

  It definitely means more with peers that I respect.

• 37:11Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. If someone is ahead and they know. Because the guys that are telling you to take your shoes off. It's like, "Why don't you make a fucking track, dude?"

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm like, "What does it say about me that this guy worships my music?"

• 37:26Adam Friedland?

  And that guy was Brian Eno.

• 37:29Adam Friedland?

  And that guy was... I really, I'm a big fan. I really appreciate you coming on. Did you have fun?

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, you too.

• 37:37Adam Friedland?

  You have to do stuff like this and it's really...

• 37:39Speaker 04

  I'm not very practiced, I'm sorry.

• 37:41Adam Friedland?

  No, it sucks for you. You shouldn't have to.

• 37:44Speaker 04

  To do these things?

• 37:45Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, who's your evil...

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Well, this is one that I was excited for because I watched the show.

• 37:49Adam Friedland?

  I know, but you like the show, so you're like, "Adam's gonna be hating on my ass."

• 37:54Speaker 04

  No. I talked to you on the phone before this.

• 37:57Adam Friedland?

  We talked for an hour on the phone.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  And then more.

• 38:02Adam Friedland?

  About, what are we talking about? I forgot what we were talking about. Oh, yeah, we talked about Redbar.

• 38:08Adam Friedland?

  He's a big fan.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  Big fan, yeah.

• 38:10Adam Friedland?

  Shout out to Mike David. Thank you, MJ Lenderman, everyone.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Thanks for coming on.

• 38:18Adam Friedland?

  Bye! Okay, you have to go to the airport.

• 38:21Speaker 04

  I guess so.

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