FKA TWIGS Talks Stans, Eusexua, Seduction

Check out https://www.squarespace.com/TAFS to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code TAFS -- See Adam on tour https://theadamfriedland.show/pages/tour -- JOIN THE FRIEDLAND FAMILY FOUNDATION / PREMIUM SUBSCRIPTION: https://www.youtube.com/@TheAdamFriedlandShow/join -- Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/TheAdamFriedlandShow -- Buy our merch!: https://theadamfriedland.show/collections/new -- The Adam Friedland Show - Season Two Episode 33 | FKA Twigs X: https://x.com/adam_talkshow Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theadamfriedlandshow TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@adamfriedlandshowclips YouTube: Subscribe to @TheAdamFriedlandShow here: https://www.youtube.com/c/TheAdamFriedlandShow Subscribe to @TAFSClips here: https://www.youtube.com/@tafsclips -- Upgrade your wallet today! Get 10% Off @Ridge with code TAFS10 at https://www. Ridge.com/TAFS10 #Ridgepod #Sponsored #Ad — #adamfriedland #theadamfriedlandshow #FKATwigs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Boar's Head. You know what I love about football season? It's the football, but also the football watching food. And nothing hits like a Boar's Head sandwich when I'm watching the game. Really, any game day sandwich better with Boar's Head. Philly cheesesteak, layer up buttery slider rolls with Boar's Head London broil roast beef, American white cheese, and picante provolone. Delicious. Then add roasted onions, peppers, and Boar's Head pub-style horseradish sauce. I love horseradish. And you've got the ultimate game day cheesesteak. They've also got a whole lineup of premium meats, cheeses, hummus and dips, condiments and more to serve up on game day. Head to your local Boar's Head deli counter to shop now. For game day sandwich inspiration and more, visit boar'shead.com. Boar's Head, committed to craft since 1905. This episode is brought to you by The Home Depot.

• 0:45Speaker 00

  The Home Depot has everything you need to launch your holiday season in style. Upgrade your yard with this year's hottest holiday decor, including the show-stopping towering Santa. Oh, I like that one. And his impressive reindeer, both 8.5 feet and both designed with incredible detail that stands out day or night. When you want decor that delivers impact, The Home Depot has it. Make your home Santa's favorite stop with the holiday decor you want, all waiting for you at The Home Depot.

• 1:13Adam Friedland?

  Do you know what the show Seinfeld is?

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15Adam Friedland?

  Okay, all right. Have you seen a movie before?

• 1:18Speaker 02

  The movie Seinfeld.

• 1:19Adam Friedland?

  A movie.

• 1:20Speaker 02

  A movie?

• 1:21Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:21Speaker 02

  In my life?

• 1:22Adam Friedland?

  I don't know. Because I was, these thoughts were popping into my head while I was doing research. I was like, she may have not seen a movie before.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen a movie before.

• 1:30Adam Friedland?

  Okay, all right. We got that out of the way.

• 1:32Speaker 02

  This guy.

• 1:33Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean?

• 2:04Adam Friedland?

  Hello and welcome back to the Adam Friedland Show. Adam here. First off, I'm doing Helium Comedy Club in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. In about two weeks, February 19th to the 21st, there's some tickets left. Low-ticket warning, I believe. The following month, I'll be doing Helium Comedy Club in Portland, Oregon. Noticing a trend. March 27th to the 29th, it's a great club, very fun room. Finally, the Netflix is a Joke Festival, Regent Theater, Los Angeles, California, May 9th. They've added a second show. The first one, there are only single tickets left. They said it was a tremendous, they booked a second show for me. Also, I'd like to thank our members for supporting us here on youtube.com. Please, guys, support the show. If you like the show, it's five bucks a month.

• 2:47Adam Friedland?

  You get early access to all of our episodes. And if you join at the second or third tiers, you'll get your name in the credits of our show that you see today. If you'd like to join the Friedland Family Foundation, you can do so by clicking the "Join" button here on YouTube, or by clicking the link in the description below. Also, we have a Patreon. If you prefer to support us through Patreon, there's a link in the description. Also, there's merch. adamfriedland.show, check it out. Great crap. My guest this week is Grammy Award-winning artist FKA Twigs. Congratulations to Twigs on the Grammy. She got, what is that, Sunday night? Huge. Big one, for the show. Listen, guys, you've seen the intros before. They're the most popular part of the whole show. They are.

• 3:31Adam Friedland?

  People, people, watch the intro, turn off the fucking interview. Which really hurts my feelings. But it's that Caleb magic, it's that Thomas magic, it's the energy in this room, it's the CRT television. Listen, it sucks. This week has sucked. On a sincere note. It's just crappy what's going on right now. And, not that that's an excuse for us not doing our work, but it's just, I don't know. Nothing, it didn't feel good. We're all in a crappy mood. And, you know, we're seeing people getting shot in the head on TV and stuff, and it's fucked up. There was a silver lining. Is that correct?

• 4:11Adam Friedland?

  Uh, at the eleventh hour, we got an assist from probably the most unlikely of sources. And he had a brilliant idea, uh, to tackle the subject tastefully, so without further ado, check this out. Uh, let's break down this idea from the top. So, so there's a new group that we're starting, just explain it to me again.

• 4:37Speaker 03

  They're called Sos Fire, you should try and define R and B. You should try and, well, that's, uh, uh, federal, I don't know, you make up whatever the fire.

• 4:47Adam Friedland?

  Immigrant, uh, uh, r- relations, uh, ex- expert, uh, or something.

• 4:53Speaker 03

  Executive.

• 4:54Adam Friedland?

  Executive, yeah, okay. Is a fire or the opposite of ice?

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:59Adam Friedland?

  And then, how does it relate to Game of Thrones?

• 5:02Speaker 03

  And you're recruiting, you're recruiting for fire.

• 5:06Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  And you, and, and, and, and, you're gonna, and the way you, you, the, the, uh, uh, qualifications for ice, you're gonna make the qualifications for fire tougher. And make it tougher by just like another minute or something stupid.

• 5:23Adam Friedland?

  Oh, so you, you have to run a mile and a half in thirteen minutes instead of fourteen?

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, because fire is tougher than ice.

• 5:29Adam Friedland?

  That's funny, that's funny. Oh, and it's like Game of Thrones, that's why, because it's fire and ice.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  That's the whole point.

• 5:37Adam Friedland?

  And Westeros is what?

• 5:39Speaker 03

  Washington.

• 5:40Adam Friedland?

  Washington DC.

• 5:43Adam Friedland?

  I think this is good. And the north, and the north is, uh, Minne- Minneapolis.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Minneapolis, which is freezing, it's a freezing November.

• 5:51Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but the wall is Mexi- no, no, no, but the wall is Mexico.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, the wall is Mexico.

• 6:00Adam Friedland?

  And they're letting in fire people into the country.

• 6:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:05Adam Friedland?

  And the, the fire walkers are good guys.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  And, and, and, and the motto is, we are fire.

• 6:11Adam Friedland?

  That's funny.

• 6:14Speaker 03

  Cause that's a pun on that.

• 6:16Adam Friedland?

  Okay, I think I'm gonna try and do this, something like this.

• 6:24Adam Friedland?

  You there?

• 6:25Speaker 03

  No, I I mean, it it it kind of makes sense in a way.

• 6:29Adam Friedland?

  I think it's a good bit.

• 6:33Speaker 03

  It it it also it takes a piss out of mice.

• 6:37Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, there it's like satire.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:42Adam Friedland?

  It's speaking through the power. Anyway, Dad, I gotta get back to work. I love you, though.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  Okay, so.

• 6:46Adam Friedland?

  I'm gonna send you that computer.

• 6:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:49Adam Friedland?

  Okay, good. Mazel tov. Alright.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Fuck.

• 6:52Adam Friedland?

  Alright. I say we just do that.

• 6:59Adam Friedland?

  Ladies and gentlemen, this next guest was named the godlike genius of uh 2022, is that correct? NME's Godlike Genius Award of 2022, and they haven't named one since. Twigs, everyone.

• 7:17Adam Friedland?

  She's got cake. Thank you for coming.

• 7:20Speaker 02

  How are you? Hi, Icy.

• 7:21Adam Friedland?

  Thank you for coming.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  Hi, thank you for having me.

• 7:23Adam Friedland?

  And she brought she brought a whole squad of uh just uh some of the, you know, some of the luminaries of the fashion industry. We have Anna Wintour, give it up for her, guys.

• 7:36Adam Friedland?

  The devil wears Prada. You got you trying to make me wear some some uh like a poodle jacket.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  You wanted to wear it.

• 7:44Adam Friedland?

  I didn't want to wear it.

• 7:45Speaker 02

  I had to prize it off you.

• 7:46Adam Friedland?

  I just wasn't sure if I was dressed cool enough, because you're like a very, you're a fashion. Do you consider yourself a fashion icon?

• 7:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 7:52Adam Friedland?

  Are there any days where you just want to dress like shit?

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Um.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  I have I have this thing called the blues, so I have outfits which are all blue.

• 8:05Adam Friedland?

  Okay, if you're sad?

• 8:06Speaker 02

  No, if I just don't want to get dressed.

• 8:08Adam Friedland?

  Oh, like Picasso's blues, yeah, period, yeah.

• 8:10Speaker 02

  Well, just all the clothes are blue, and it's the same blue, so I can put on the blues and not think about it, and it kind of looks fine.

• 8:17Adam Friedland?

  What does it look like? It's like jean jean jacket, jean shirt, jean pants?

• 8:21Speaker 02

  No, it's kind of.

• 8:21Adam Friedland?

  Canadian tuxedo?

• 8:22Speaker 02

  No, it's kind of very worn in patched up Japanese uh leisure wear.

• 8:29Adam Friedland?

  Le oh, yeah, of course, yeah. Yeah, I know, I know exactly what that. My dog is here, you asked for an animal.

• 8:37Speaker 02

  I did. I feel like.

• 8:38Adam Friedland?

  This is the first time Icy has been on the show.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  Hi, Icy.

• 8:43Adam Friedland?

  I've told this story, we we could cut it, but I've told the story to other guests about this dog, but. I got her from the street.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 8:50Adam Friedland?

  She was a homeless teen mom.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  Oh, baby.

• 8:54Adam Friedland?

  They used her to breed fighting dogs and then she met a Jewish man and he changed her life.

• 9:01Speaker 02

  Sweetheart.

• 9:02Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, she's really sweet. I mean, when I got her, she was like depressed because they took her puppies away too young. And her nipples were like distended from breastfeeding.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:11Adam Friedland?

  And she was like just, she's like come out of Vietnam. But now she's like a, she's a very happy girl. She's like ten now. She changed my life. You have two dogs?

• 9:20Speaker 02

  I have two dogs, yeah.

• 9:21Adam Friedland?

  But like little, little Ewok kind of things?

• 9:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, they're crazy.

• 9:25Adam Friedland?

  Do you like to take them around like legally blonde like kind of situation?

• 9:28Speaker 02

  They're very wiggly. I mean, before six o'clock, they're very wiggly and then after six o'clock, they're like floppy teddy bears.

• 9:36Adam Friedland?

  You're from the, the west of England, by Wales?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  Uh, the like middle, the, the Midwest.

• 9:42Adam Friedland?

  The Midwest?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  The middle of England to the west.

• 9:45Adam Friedland?

  Like Indiana kind of England?

• 9:47Speaker 02

  My, yeah, my family's from Birmingham.

• 9:49Adam Friedland?

  Are they Villa?

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Villa.

• 9:51Adam Friedland?

  Aston Villa? No. I feel like you don't, you've never heard of sports?

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Uh, I grew up with a lot of sports in my house. I'm kind of, I think because of that, I just, I'm not really that into it. Sports, like football kind of scored my childhood because it was always on, especially at the weekend. It would just be.

• 10:10Adam Friedland?

  It's kind of nice though.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's nice. I mean, I think it's, yeah, it's just was always on in the background of my life. But I'm the type of person, like when I get home, I'll put the TV on for the background noise.

• 10:20Adam Friedland?

  Was your town like a Tory town? Was it like Tory country, England?

• 10:24Speaker 02

  I think so. Well, I mean, it's kind of weird where I grew up because it's quite, it's quite mixed, I would say.

• 10:30Adam Friedland?

  Like working class and, and posh?

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that, that where I'm from, there's not a lot in the middle.

• 10:37Adam Friedland?

  What side were you on?

• 10:38Speaker 02

  It's like a commuter's town. Um, I was very much working class, but like moonlighting as middle class.

• 10:44Adam Friedland?

  Because when I, when I like first heard of you, you seemed very like, like highbrow, you know what I mean? And then when I found out you're kind of from like small town, it's like kind of a, was very like, I didn't expect it, right?

• 10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, my parents are from like working class Birmingham.

• 11:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Um, I have like my biological dad who is from working class Birmingham of Jamaican descent. Uh, my stepdad who raised me.

• 11:13Speaker 02

  Like actively till I was eleven. He's like second generation from Barbados.

• 11:19Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Like very working class. First black family in a working class area in Birmingham. And my mom's from the black country in Birmingham. And again, like very just humble, chill beginning.

• 11:32Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:33Adam Friedland?

  Was there like a notion of class that stuck with you from a young age? Cause I know you went to like a boarding school, like a good school and you were like on scholarship or whatever it's called in English.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, so when I was eleven, my mom just got it into her head that I was gonna go to a private school, a Catholic school in Cheltenham. And she basically like coached me to get in and I did a lot of like tests throughout my summer holidays to get into this school that had good education. My primary school had said that I wasn't intelligent enough to go to the grammar school. And so my mom was just like, hell no. And so she basically like coached me through the summer holidays to go to a private school.

• 12:11Adam Friedland?

  Was the grammar school the public school?

• 12:13Speaker 02

  No, well, like I think grammar school is kind of like a better school, but I don't think you have to pay for it. But you, your school has to agree that you're clever enough to take the test, to go to like a free, like aspirational, better school, whatever that means. Um, but my primary school wouldn't put me forward even for the test. So then my mom found a school that was like, they had a scholarship. And she put me forward for the scholarship, but the academic test was like a really big part of getting that scholarship.

• 12:45Adam Friedland?

  So you were smart. You seem like you're very, like when you talk about your work, I'm like, this is a very intelligent, like way smarter than me person. Then I'm gonna struggle to ask questions about.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Oh, stop.

• 12:57Adam Friedland?

  No, I mean it. No, but like, were you, you, you strike me as like, were you like the girl that like didn't talk and was drawing horses and stuff?

• 13:06Speaker 02

  A little bit.

• 13:07Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. Were you like, you, uh, did kids consider you to be like a weirdo or like a freakazoid?

• 13:16Speaker 02

  I think growing up, I had two very distinct personalities, or versions of me. And the one side was.

• 13:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, like a bit of a weirdo and I was very much into like ballet and opera and.

• 13:30Adam Friedland?

  So annoying. How old were you into opera?

• 13:33Speaker 02

  Honestly, like eight, nine.

• 13:34Adam Friedland?

  You didn't like the Spice Girls?

• 13:36Speaker 02

  I loved the Spice Girls.

• 13:37Adam Friedland?

  Oh, okay.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was a big Spice Girls fan.

• 13:39Adam Friedland?

  Who exposed you to that, like, uh, that kind of stuff, though?

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Well, when I was nine, I got a singing teacher, a lady called Dorothy, who was the lead singer in Carmen in the Covent Garden Opera House.

• 13:51Adam Friedland?

  Oh, wow.

• 13:52Speaker 02

  And so she started teaching me to sing in Latin and Italian opera, and that was my first training, but it was kind of.

• 13:59Adam Friedland?

  If I went to school with you, I'd be like, shut up.

• 14:01Speaker 02

  But I didn't tell, I didn't tell anybody this, you know, I think that.

• 14:04Adam Friedland?

  You're embarrassed of it?

• 14:05Speaker 02

  It's not that I'm embarrassed, like, listen, being, first of all, working class, second of all, for a lot of my life, from a single parent family. Third of all, growing up in an area where a lot of it is middle class, upper middle class, keeping up with the Joneses. So already I've stood out because my mom was very free spirited, very beautiful, like very daring. You know, my mom, when she was younger, was like really, really iconic. And so already there are a lot of things that made me stand out.

• 14:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 02

  Being biracial as well, there just weren't a lot of people of color where I was from. So I think I've always kept a lot of these things secret and even now, I, I, um.

• 14:42Speaker 02

  You know, it's something that I even battle with now a lot. People not understanding that side of me because it's funny, I can kind of swing from doing a performance with Valentino and like doing something really highbrow and incredible to then really being so into my roots and where I come and supporting my own community and feeling really like grounded and and expressing that part of myself, which is like deeply rooted in culture and also black culture as well because I'm mixed race. And these are two equally important sides of me.

• 15:15Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 15:16Speaker 02

  So it's funny because like even in one of my singles I just released Cheap Hotel like it's just kind of super vibey and the videos really like low key and sexy and filled with girls that I like would wanna hang out with and and beautiful women that like look different and express themselves like looking really cool and then you know I can go from that to then doing cellophane and I think it's definitely polarizing but these two sides of me like they're both a part of me.

• 15:44Adam Friedland?

  Right, like a lot of your work has, there is a class element to it, I feel like. You worked as a hostess at a strip club and you were in burlesque and then you've kind of created characters around those experiences.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:57Adam Friedland?

  How old were you when you moved to London?

• 15:59Speaker 02

  I was um like sixteen and seventeen when I first started spending a lot of time in London and I think just before my eighteenth birthday when I made the full jump.

• 16:09Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, were you like one of those like I just gotta get out of this town? You were one of those, right? No one understands me here.

• 16:16Speaker 02

  Not even.

• 16:18Adam Friedland?

  Did you see London as like, how did you view London from like a small town? Was it like a dream?

• 16:24Speaker 02

  I remember lying on my mum's bed, we had this tiny flat. And I remember lying on my mum's bed and listening to College Dropout.

• 16:34Adam Friedland?

  Changed my life.

• 16:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, and I remember like listening to that.

• 16:38Adam Friedland?

  We were the same age, right?

• 16:39Speaker 02

  I think so, thirty-eight.

• 16:40Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, we were sixteen.

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I listened to that and I had a boyfriend at the time who had a car and we drove up to London and saw Kanye West at the time and Jay-Z perform and he performed Jesus Walks in London. I remember like we drove all the way up to London and then drove back that night. And it just changed my life like just hearing Jesus Walks and everybody was just in this venue and and stamping and it just like was the first time I experienced like the aspiration of life through art and music like bringing me to tears as a you know mid to older teenager and then I went back home and nothing was the same. I was like I need to make it to a big city like something can happen for me but it's not gonna happen for me here.

• 17:22Adam Friedland?

  We're the same, we're the same guy.

• 17:26Adam Friedland?

  Seriously, I mean honestly, I wanted to move to New York so bad. I thought it was nighttime, twenty-four hours a day, everyone was the Strokes. And I'm like, I'm gonna move there. Or I thought it was Seinfeld. Where like an ugly Jewish guy could get like a really hot girl. And it turns out that that was kinda true.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, in New York, for sure.

• 17:47Adam Friedland?

  I used it, yeah, well, it's cheating.

• 17:49Speaker 02

  Hmm, that's just, I think that's like a lot more girls than there are to men in ratio.

• 17:52Adam Friedland?

  There's a lot of gay guys.

• 17:54Speaker 02

  Oh, is that what it is? I just thought there was more women to men.

• 17:56Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, no, there's like a lot of gay guys, so the straight, straight guys to straight women ratio is, I feel, I mean, it's incredible. It is a place where it could stand, I could go out with like a Victoria's Secret model. You, I thought it was just because it was on TV. Do you know what the show Seinfeld is?

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:14Adam Friedland?

  Okay, alright. Have you seen a movie before?

• 18:17Speaker 02

  The movie Seinfeld?

• 18:18Adam Friedland?

  A movie.

• 18:18Speaker 02

  A movie?

• 18:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Speaker 02

  In my life?

• 18:20Adam Friedland?

  I don't know, you're, because I was, these thoughts were popping into my head while I was doing research. I was like, she may have not seen a movie before.

• 18:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've seen a movie before.

• 18:28Adam Friedland?

  Okay, alright, we got that out of the way.

• 18:31Speaker 02

  This guy.

• 18:32Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean, I'm, I, no, because like, your interests are so, it seems to me like when you get interested in something, you go all the way in, right? Like, like when you got into like pole dancing, you went to like the best pole dancing,

• 18:47Adam Friedland?

  teacher in the world? That's a thing that someone?

• 18:50Speaker 02

  No, I didn't, I didn't go to the best pole dancing teacher. I, I go to people, no, I just go to people that care. No, like, I mean, for me, like, I go to people that care, so it was important for me, when I first started to learn pole dancing, that I trained with another woman of color, that I trained with somebody that had their own studio, that had a passion for the movement.

• 19:10Adam Friedland?

  Well, in my opinion, she's the best in the world, okay, that's just one man's opinion.

• 19:13Speaker 02

  Let's go there. Listen, there are a lot of amazing pole dancers, but I think for me, I just wanted to go to a place where I could feel safe, and whenever I pick a teacher, it's because they have something, like, they have a, um, want to get to the root of the cause, and, and a, respect for the community as well, around the.

• 19:32Adam Friedland?

  What kind of music did your parents show you when you were a kid?

• 19:35Speaker 02

  Oh my gosh, so much.

• 19:35Adam Friedland?

  Did you like it?

• 19:36Speaker 02

  Hmm, I really did, at times I felt very embarrassed by it, but now I'm so grateful. Because there was a lot of like acid jazz, jazz fusion. You know, non-verbal jazz, like people singing scat over beats or um.

• 19:53Speaker 02

  You know.

• 19:53Adam Friedland?

  Like the scat man song?

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Like um.

• 19:56Adam Friedland?

  You know that song?

• 19:56Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  No, I don't know that.

• 20:04Adam Friedland?

  Man.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  I was thinking more about like Tanya Maria.

• 20:07Adam Friedland?

  Oh, she's a scatter?

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, she, one of her, well, a few of her.

• 20:10Adam Friedland?

  Oh, Tita Marie?

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Uh, Tanya Maria.

• 20:12Adam Friedland?

  Oh, nevermind.

• 20:15Adam Friedland?

  Did you ever, like, uh, having like, uh.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 20:18Adam Friedland?

  Caribbean roots and like, uh, like being mixed race, did you ever get into like, kind of like, uh, like dub or reggae or like, kind of second wave ska? Did you like the specials?

• 20:28Speaker 02

  I, I did, but much later.

• 20:30Adam Friedland?

  I love the specials.

• 20:31Speaker 02

  I love the specials. That was more in my twenties, like, for me more in my teens, it was like discovering, uh, bashment and dancehall and, cause I grew up in a place called Cheltenham, which is very white, but then literally like twenty minutes away, there's a place called Gloucester.

• 20:45Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  Which has not only got like an amazing black community, but also, uh, a Jamaican community.

• 20:50Adam Friedland?

  Like sound clashing, you went to like, uh, like dub and reggae?

• 20:54Speaker 02

  No, well, there was a club there called the Jamaican Club, and it was when dancehall and bashment was huge, and I remember going to that when I was sixteen.

• 21:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 21:01Speaker 02

  And like, there were loads of rasters there, but it was like people that have like just come from Jamaica and, and have created a community there, and that's when I really discovered myself, and I had like a huge breakthrough actually, because I had a best friend at the time, who was white and blonde and really pretty and super popular, and I would really want her to come with me to the Jamaican Club.

• 21:23Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  And I remember her saying to me that like she didn't wanna come, and I was like.

• 21:28Adam Friedland?

  How old were you guys?

• 21:28Speaker 02

  Uh, like sixteen, seventeen.

• 21:30Adam Friedland?

  Oh, yeah.

• 21:30Speaker 02

  But I'd always like done stuff with her and all of my like white friends in, in Cheltenham, you know, like whatever they wanted to do and.

• 21:37Adam Friedland?

  It partied.

• 21:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, like it'd go, I don't know, do stuff that my white friends wanted to do, like go to a skate park or.

• 21:44Adam Friedland?

  Celebrate Easter. No, I mean, that's, they like that.

• 21:50Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean, I'm sorry.

• 21:51Speaker 02

  No, I mean like talk about like getting a Tony and Guy haircut or get GHTs. Well, exactly. What is that?

• 21:58Adam Friedland?

  I don't understa- I don't know what these white people are up to.

• 22:00Speaker 02

  Nor do I.

• 22:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  No, like.

• 22:02Adam Friedland?

  Is that what they do, GHTs and Tony and Guy haircut?

• 22:05Speaker 02

  I don't know, like GHTs and go to Tony and Guy and get like layers in their hair and talk about Rachel from Friends. Like, I don't know, but I was a teenager and I.

• 22:11Adam Friedland?

  Great haircut, great haircut.

• 22:12Speaker 02

  No, like I was, I was like a teenager and I was just like, where do I find myself in this? And I remember naively, like I'd started going to this Jamaican club in Gloucester. And I remember trying to get my white friends from my private Catholic school to go to this club with me. Cause I was like, I'm always going to your stuff. I was like, can you come? And I remember I, one time I was just like, why didn't you want to come with me? I have no one to go with. And the answer was like, that there was just too many black people there. In that moment, I realized, um.

• 22:44Adam Friedland?

  You're different.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  I was different. Yeah, I realized I was different. And I also tried to explain my friend. I was like, I am always with white people in Cheltenham. So how you feel when you go to Jamaican club, that's kind of how I feel every single day. But it was kind of just a bit, you know, like this. So I was like, you know what? I need to go and go to London and, and just like expand my like knowledge of the world and meet more people and be in a more multi- multicultural environment. Cause I was like, otherwise I'm just gonna die a slow death here. Like I'm just gonna get crushed.

• 23:16Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, and, and also get exposed to your cult, like your cultural roots.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 23:21Adam Friedland?

  I imagine, yeah.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  Exactly, yeah.

• 23:24Adam Friedland?

  You were in a band, Delirium?

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Delirium Tremens.

• 23:29Adam Friedland?

  Oh, nice. Like the beer?

• 23:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. What, can I hear it? Do you have any?

• 23:33Speaker 02

  No, this is like pre.

• 23:34Adam Friedland?

  Come on, you have a little bit.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  This is basically pre-internet.

• 23:36Adam Friedland?

  What was it, like Riot Girl?

• 23:38Speaker 02

  It was, I was, it wasn't my band. It was kind of like my friend's band. And I would be like the additional backing singer in the band.

• 23:44Adam Friedland?

  You were like the bez?

• 23:46Speaker 02

  I don't know the bez.

• 23:47Adam Friedland?

  Uh, the guy in Happy Mondays with the, the, with the tambourine?

• 23:52Speaker 02

  No, I was like the backing singer. So I do like additional. Like screaming, I guess.

• 23:57Adam Friedland?

  Really? Oh, so you didn't play any instruments?

• 24:00Speaker 02

  No, no, I would scream, like to double his screaming.

• 24:05Adam Friedland?

  Oh, was a guy was making you scream?

• 24:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:08Adam Friedland?

  Was it guy-girl band, or you were the only girl?

• 24:10Speaker 02

  No, I was the only girl, but I was like an addition, I wasn't like the main one.

• 24:14Adam Friedland?

  You were weird but popular, that's my new decision about you.

• 24:18Speaker 02

  I was-

• 24:18Adam Friedland?

  She was, she was cool, I could tell. By the way she's talking to me right now, she was popular in high school. I could tell. Why are you mad at me right now?

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Because I don't want these false narratives. But I was like the runt of the popular girls group, that's where I'd place myself. But then, outside, like if I did dancing, or when I'd come to London, like that was super chill. I'd say I wasn't popular or not popular, I'd say that when I came to London and was doing dancing, singing, hanging out, I'd say that like, I was just like in the mix, like having a good time.

• 24:47Adam Friedland?

  What about, so you became, you moved to London and became a dancer?

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:52Adam Friedland?

  And you were like in videos and stuff, you were coveted, from what I understand?

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was, I had a good career as a backing dancer. I had a solid, I had a career I'm proud of as a backing dancer.

• 25:01Adam Friedland?

  You danced for Sheeran?

• 25:03Speaker 02

  I danced for Sheeran.

• 25:04Adam Friedland?

  Was he chill as a guy?

• 25:05Speaker 02

  Sweet.

• 25:05Adam Friedland?

  When you were in dance though, did you like, you wanted to be at the front of the dancers? Do you have an ambition there?

• 25:12Speaker 02

  It's not that I was at the front, it was just that like,

• 25:16Speaker 02

  it's, it's not that I wanted to be at the front, it's that like, I was very expressive, but I couldn't like fit into the group.

• 25:24Adam Friedland?

  Cause you were getting twice as much money.

• 25:26Speaker 02

  When?

• 25:26Adam Friedland?

  I heard that, that's what in my research.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  For what?

• 25:29Adam Friedland?

  When you were the best dancer.

• 25:31Speaker 02

  I wasn't getting twice as, twice as much money, no I wasn't-

• 25:33Adam Friedland?

  I would be proud of that.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  No, me, me too if that was the case. When you're a dancer, you get like a flat rate usually, but um-

• 25:40Adam Friedland?

  Are the girls cunts to each other? Is there a black swan kind of thing happening?

• 25:43Speaker 02

  I never experienced that.

• 25:45Adam Friedland?

  Cause you were above all that drama.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  No, like I just made good friends, like I, some of my dance friends from when I was a backing dancer, I still like know now.

• 25:54Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  I actually hooked one of them up with my piano teacher, they just had a baby.

• 25:59Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:00Adam Friedland?

  So, wow.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, one of my oldest dance friends, I did a piano lesson in lockdown and I met this guy and I was like, you have exactly the same personality, like humor, as my old like backing dancer friend. And then, they, I put them in a group, in a group text and I was like, you guys should know each other, the worst that can happen is that you'll be friends, and they just had a baby.

• 26:20Adam Friedland?

  How's it feel?

• 26:21Speaker 02

  Well, my friend sent me a message and said-

• 26:23Adam Friedland?

  It's a little bit your baby, too.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  I don't need more responsibilities, but-

• 26:28Adam Friedland?

  No, you don't need the responsibility, but it's your baby, but you don't have to do anything. It's the best-case scenario.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I guess so, but she sent me a message and she was like, "Hi, like, I'm new in the world and I feel like you've got something to do with me being here. Just wanted to meet you." I know, I maybe wanna cry a bit. I know, yeah. It was really cute.

• 26:46Adam Friedland?

  It's so beautiful.

• 26:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was really sweet.

• 26:48Adam Friedland?

  You should take responsibility for that baby.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  I don't need to take, like, I think-

• 26:51Adam Friedland?

  You gotta be the man who showed up.

• 26:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's just nice.

• 26:55Adam Friedland?

  So, you were also like, were you supporting yourself at the time? You were a young person living in the big city?

• 27:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, I had a lot of jobs. So, from when I left home, I literally would have like four jobs. I was crazy, like, I would just like run around. I was a dancer, I was a youth worker, I worked in salfages, and I worked in a bar. And I would take any job. Like, I literally remember having this rucksack and it had almost like the different costumes for my different jobs. And any shift that came up, I would like run around, run around. And then when I got to, I can't remember, actually, maybe it was like twenty-two, twenty-three, or twenty-four. I can't remember what age, early twenties. I said to my stepdad, who I'd reconnected with,

• 27:36Speaker 02

  that I was doing all this stuff and I really wanted to make music. And I said, "Can I quit two of my jobs for six months?" I said, "I'll keep two, I'll quit two."

• 27:45Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 27:45Speaker 02

  And, "Will you help me with my rent in London?" And then he was like, "Yeah," because I didn't go to university and I was like very independent from when I was a teenager. I'd always make my own money. So, he was like, "I'll support you with your rent for six months, so you can quit two of the jobs. And then with that time, you can go in a studio." And then I said, "If in six months I don't get signed or anything, then I'll just go and get a normal job." And he supported me for six months. And almost like at the end of that time, I then got a record deal.

• 28:15Adam Friedland?

  Transitioning to like music, like, in the way I've read you describe your process, like, it sounds like you're almost like a movie director, like an auteur, right? Like, there's a visual aspect of a song, there's a dance aspect of a song, there's the actual song. You know, there's like, there's multiple aspects of the set. Have you started a song on a vis- like, seeing a visual of something, or do you start with the chords?

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Um.

• 28:42Adam Friedland?

  That was a decent question.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was a really good question. I, uh, I think like, I don't, I think I start with the music, but if, if the song, um, speaks to me visually, then I want to finish it. So if I get a vision of what the dance could be, or how it would be live, or a visual, or a, an, an image that's a storytelling piece to go with the song, then they're usually, well, they're always the ones that make the record or end up coming out.

• 29:09Adam Friedland?

  It's, it's almost like you're making a theater piece sometimes, in what, to some extent, right?

• 29:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like 360, but I think that's kind of the, that's sort of the, um, thing I'm coming up against now, because obviously I've been doing it for a while, I just am trying to figure out what type of artist I am, and, and I think I'm realizing that, that the, the music industry, although I'm very much a part of it, and music is the core of everything I do, I just don't feel that it's able to facilitate, like, everything really that I want to do, so I, I'm kind of in, not like a transitional phase out of it at all, because I always want to make music and power albums, and that'll always

• 29:52Speaker 02

  be the number one thing at the basis of who I am, but I think, I don't think that the way that it works right now is conducive for me making my best work.

• 30:06Adam Friedland?

  I kind of like picked up on that also, because like, you, I guess in 2014, is that right? Like, when you kind of had a breakthrough, is that right?

• 30:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:15Adam Friedland?

  So that's like a decade in an industry, that seems as if it's changed a lot.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:20Adam Friedland?

  What's happened is like, in 2014, you broke through, like Twitter was new, basically?

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:25Adam Friedland?

  There was, was stan culture a thing at that point?

• 30:28Speaker 02

  I mean, probably, but I don't think as an artist you were fully aware of it existed in letters that you might come across if somebody happened to give it to you, or you recognized the same people at shows that, you know, gave that energy.

• 30:40Adam Friedland?

  Has it become kind of a necessity in, of an industry at this point, like to have a, you know, there's a distance between artists and the consumer, and then the internet has blurred that, so like, I guess like a Swifty is like kind of an aspect of Taylor Swift LLC, you know, like, it's become sort of an amorphous blob, and it feels like that has like accelerated, maybe in the last 10 years, is that your experience?

• 31:07Speaker 02

  An unbelievable experience to be a part of.

• 31:09Adam Friedland?

  Have your guys acted embarrassing ever?

• 31:13Speaker 02

  Um.

• 31:14Adam Friedland?

  Have they gotten pissed at other people?

• 31:17Adam Friedland?

  What are they called?

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Twiglets.

• 31:19Adam Friedland?

  Twiglets is cute, yeah.

• 31:22Speaker 02

  I think on the whole, people that listen to my music are quite sensitive and artistic and creative. And I would like to think that they are sort of equally invested in their own creative endeavours and their own lives as they are in my music, which, which hopefully creates some safety and a healthy relationship. I think I've definitely experienced, since Usexua has come out, a different side of fandom and what that could feel like. For me, as an artist, it's my job to create something and to create it for myself and for other people eventually, but to not really care about what people think. But now, as an artist, we're just expected to market ourselves so much.

• 32:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 02

  And for me, that's one thing I really struggle with because the truth is, like, nobody knows my true personality because I feel like my personality is constantly at gunpoint with social media. That's just not really who I am and I've never really been able to find a way of portraying who I am. Because truly, who I am is not on doing that. Like, truly who I am is just in a studio practising something and, and getting better at something and feeling happy about that and, and me monitoring my own incremental advancements in a craft. And I can't do that if I have to put it on the internet. So all that's left is for me to try and put my personality on the internet and try and be like cutesy boo boo and try and be relatable.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  And for me personally, I've been on a five-year-long journey. I think it was really, probably like after Magdalene, where this word, like, relatable, started to come up, like, with publicists, you know. I had this, like, publicist a few years ago. She was great, she was northern. And she was like, "Do you know what, Twigs? You're so funny. You just, we just need to warm you up a little bit, you know? You're so funny. If people could just see how funny you were." And I was like, "Okay." I was like, "Yeah, I can be funny." You know, but it's like this thing at, at like gunpoint.

• 33:19Adam Friedland?

  So annoying.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  And it's just not who I am and I've seen other people really overcome it. I've seen other artists, other contemporaries of mine. Who initially found this thing really awkward and spoke about it. And now are absolutely crushing it and they've found their niche. But with me, I just can't seem to find that. Because I don't want to put the things I'm practising at online. I just don't want to, like, it's for me and I wanna get better at it in the choir. And I want to deliver something when it's a fully rounded thought. And, and so to be completely honest with you, like, it's kind of a bit of a nightmare to be making work that I really care about. And then there's, there's this whole other side, which is like, for me, it's like McDonald's.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  And it just destroys all of the mystery, like, it just takes everything, everything precious and everything sacred away. And I look at like, you know, other artists and I think, wow, they're so good at it. They're so good at making something feel casual, like, putting, like, a phone up and, and just doing something funny. And, and I don't know how many drafts of that are in.

• 34:25Adam Friedland?

  But there's someone looking at that and, and literally going insane, do you understand?

• 34:29Speaker 02

  What, the other side of it?

• 34:30Adam Friedland?

  I, I, I wanna counter that by saying that I found that very deliberate decision to be admirable. Because A, you, you don't, you create a distinction between your own life and between your career, right? And, um, and I think that, like, it just seems like you think of your work in a different way, where it's like, thought out and it, and it requires effort in a way that it doesn't feel like a lot of artists, uh, have to grapple with, right?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  No, I think, I think a lot of artists now are like, making incredible work and really thinking about it. I don't wanna put myself on a pedestal like that. The difference is.

• 35:07Adam Friedland?

  I am.

• 35:08Speaker 02

  That's very sweet, but, but I think that it's the ability to be able to connect with your, your fans and, and do this like cutesy boo boo, like effortless thing, that I'm just not, I'm just not good at. Like, I'm the type of person, I just wanna disappear, I just wanna put out something and then not think about it and not have to promote it. And the thing that I find is, is you can't quantify culture. You can't quantify the data around culture, you can't quantify the amount of people that are inspired by your work, who create work based off your work. How when you make something, it's.

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Changes the cultural DNA. Even if ten people see a piece of work that's incredible, it might change the cultural DNA of the way that people see, I don't know, queer people, black people, political ideas, women. You know, like, you can't put stats behind that. And so to be able to say, oh, this is what success looks like because it's Spotify listeners, or awards, or likes on Instagram, you know, or likes on TikTok. To be able to quantify the success of an artist by these things, to me, is just not, like, it's not valid, to be honest with you.

• 36:22Adam Friedland?

  It's a mature response to a ridiculous thing. Because if you think about the, like, I've been told by my people, I'm, listen, I'm also one of the biggest, whatever, pop, pop guy in America. I don't know if you've heard of, but, but like, yeah, like, post pictures of yourself, like, hanging out. And I'm like, who the fuck wants to see that? But what you're doing is, you're like, some guy's looking at his phone and he feels like there's this unhealthy parasocial kind of relationship that he has with me, who's a complete stranger. So like, I did a podcast for a long time, and it felt like it was a kind of a friendship simulator for a lot of people. And like, they'll come up to you and they'll, they'll make a joke at you and you'll be like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 37:05Adam Friedland?

  And they'll walk away and they'll be like, idiot, I'm fucking stupid, I'm stupid, you know? But like, in reality, like, doing this show, where I'm like, talking to different people and stuff, it does feel like I can more easily create that distinction, where I'm like, this is the work that I'm doing? And then in my normal life, like, no one respects me, uh, I'm, no, actually, I'm one of the...

• 37:25Speaker 02

  I mean, I love communicating with my fans, and I love the back and forth of my fans.

• 37:29Adam Friedland?

  I hate them.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  My fans...

• 37:31Adam Friedland?

  I mean, they, whatever.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  The twiglets and the people that have enjoyed, enjoyed my music through YouSexua have directly affected, created, and encouraged me to make Afterglow. Afterglow is one hundred percent a conversation between me and the people that like YouSexua.

• 37:48Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 37:49Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 37:50Adam Friedland?

  What do they say to you?

• 37:52Speaker 02

  It's like a feeling, it's like seeing the way that people move on stage to the songs. It's about seeing the parts of the songs that they love. It's about seeing the looks on their faces when I talk about certain things in my lyrics and me thinking, "That felt good." Like I wanna, if I did something just 10% in that song, I wanna take the 10% of that song and blow it up so it's 100% of another song. Because that's the bit that's connected with people.

• 38:12Adam Friedland?

  Making someone dance must feel incredible.

• 38:14Speaker 02

  It's the best feeling in the world, but that's what I'm saying. Like, that type of interaction with my fans and my audience is the best feeling in the world. The part that I personally struggle with is shoving myself, like Talia, down people's throats.

• 38:30Adam Friedland?

  Do you think that you would've made more money or something if you were like, you know?

• 38:37Speaker 02

  No, it's not about money, it's about a career of longevity. Like, it's not like you could make millions of pounds one year and then no one will speak about you the next year. For me, I'm really looking forward to getting old. For me, like, people like Martha Graham or Pina Bowser, Laurie Anderson, PJ Harvey, like, people that have been able to...

• 38:55Adam Friedland?

  I wouldn't call them old, they're lovely.

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Well, Martha Graham has passed on.

• 39:01Adam Friedland?

  I'm sorry.

• 39:04Adam Friedland?

  No, I'm a bad, I'm a terrible, I'm just an obnoxious, no one likes me, okay.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  They do, don't say that about yourself.

• 39:11Adam Friedland?

  Oh, no, it's true. It's true, I mean, I had one guy, Zach the Intern, he's not even here right now, he's just left me alone on this, and he's the one person that makes me feel safe.

• 39:22Adam Friedland?

  You know that midday slump where your focus just dips? This is my little fix for that.

• 39:29Adam Friedland?

  It's super refreshing. You just pop it in, crack the capsule, and boom, instant flavor hit. It's kind of my secret weapon for staying sharp when I'm working or filming. You can even get it delivered on a subscription, so you never run out. But yeah, this one's been my routine recently. Lucy dot C E O knows what's up. 100% pure nicotine, always tobacco-free. Lucy Breakers are nicotine pouches with a little extra surprise. Each pouch holds a capsule that can be broken open to release extra flavor and hydration. What's my favorite flavor of the mid? Strength do I use the strongest? Lucy is the only one that gives you long lasting flavor whenever you need it. So you get 20% off your first order when you buy online with the code TAFS.

• 40:13Adam Friedland?

  And if you don't want to wait, head to lucy.co/stores to find Lucy near you and grab it today. And here comes the fine print. Lucy products are only for adults of legal age and every order is age verified. Warning: This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

• 40:33Adam Friedland?

  The wallet I had before Ridge was huge. It was crusty. It was a leather brick that was falling apart. I was always one of those guys that had a duct tape wallet. But sometimes it's time to grow up and get a Ridge. This is the Ridge Wallet, folks. What I love about Ridge is its unique, slim, modern design that holds up to 12 cards plus cash. It's made with premium materials like aluminium, titanium and carbon fiber. This is the gold one, folks. The gold. I love gold. Remember that? Goldfinger, gold member. Over 50 colors and styles to choose from. Show your wallet off to the camera.

• 41:12Adam Friedland?

  All Ridge products have a lifetime warranty. This is literally the last wallet you'll ever have to buy. Does it give you peace of mind knowing that Ridge wallets have an RFID blocking technology? The answer is yes. Keeping you safe from digital pickpockers? The answer is I've been digitally pickpocketed over 100 times.

• 41:33Adam Friedland?

  Somehow they know I'm a mark with my duct taped wallet. But not today because I have a golden RFID blocker in my wallet. And the ladies, they love it. Losing your wallet is the worst, but with Ridge AirTag attachment, you'll always know where it is before panic mode kicks in. And guys, Ridge isn't just about wallets. They create premium, everyday carry essentials like power banks, keycases, suitcases and rings, all built with the same sleek, durable design. So for a limited time, our listeners get 10% off at Ridge by using the promo code TAFS10 at checkout. Just head to ridge.com and use code TAFS10 and you're all set. That's 10% off at Ridge by using the code TAFS10 at checkout.

• 42:17Adam Friedland?

  After you purchase, they will ask you where you heard about them. Please support the show and tell them that our show sent you.

• 42:28Adam Friedland?

  This podcast is sponsored/brought to you by Squarespace. Squarespace is the all-in-one website platform designed to help you stand out and succeed online. Whether you're just starting out by scaling your business, Squarespace gives you everything you need to claim your domain, showcase your offerings, and with a professional website, grow your brand and get paid, all in one place. That sounds good. Guys, I used Squarespace when I was one time I was walking outside and there was a girl with a matcha. She spilled it on me, so I made a website to say, you know, because of their SEO, they had me at top of a matcha girl spill on Google,

• 43:11Adam Friedland?

  and I found her, and it turned out she was a racist. It was pretty cool. There's a documentary about it. Squarespace gives you everything you need to offer services and get paid all in one place. From consultations to events and experiences, showcase your offering with a customizable website designed to attract clients and grow your business. Get paid on time with professional on-brand invoices and online payments. Plus, streamline your workflow with built-in appointment scheduling and email marketing tools. You get discovered with fast-integrated Squarespace SEO tools, and every website is optimized to be indexed with meta descriptions, an auto-generated site map, and more.

• 43:54Adam Friedland?

  Squarespace makes it easy to showcase your expertise and engage clients with video content on your website. Upload and organize your videos, create stunning video libraries, and even monetize your content by adding a paywall. Perfect for online courses, exclusive tutorials, and premium workshops. Make smarter business decisions with Squarespace's intuitive analytics tools. Review basic website traffic, learn where to focus engagement, and track revenue from bookings, invoices, to product sales, all in one place. Squarespace! So, you head to, go to, check out Squarespace.com/tafs for a free trial when you're

• 44:36Adam Friedland?

  Ready to launch, use the offer code TAFS to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. That's squarespace.com/TAFS for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch, use offer code TAFS to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or a domain.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  I always think as an artist, I like to create things that other people might not have, the privilege, the time, the ability, the know-how to put into words for themselves. So say for example, something like cellophane. I went through something and then I wrote the song cellophane with a couple of wonderful collaborators and then that has spelt out the words for many people that have gone through a breakup. And that's the type of fan interaction that I really love. And that's the type of fan interaction that spurs me to make another version of that song or to explore that feeling further, the same way that I was saying when I performed Eusexua Alive, it encouraged me to make Afterglow.

• 45:40Speaker 02

  I was very inspired by the reaction to make Afterglow and I was also very inspired on Afterglow to produce so much more myself and play so many more instruments myself. And because Eusexua for me was such a well-rounded piece of work that I was so proud of, that I created, in Afterglow I wanted to, I don't know, deconstruct everything that I'd learnt, like deconstruct the beats, play more instruments, use my voice in a different way, subvert the clarity of Eusexua into a hazy, gauzy, muffled, kind of wavy after-party of Afterglow.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  But that wouldn't have happened if the fans hadn't have given me permission and authority also to do. It was really a collaboration.

• 46:29Adam Friedland?

  You gave them joy, right?

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then it was a conversation.

• 46:33Adam Friedland?

  And also, I think it sounds like you do know what kind of artist you are.

• 46:37Speaker 02

  No, no, I do, but it's the goalposts keep on changing of what you have to do to be an artist.

• 46:41Adam Friedland?

  You don't have to post your breakfast, just make, go make tracks, dude.

• 46:45Speaker 02

  100%. My point is, every time you do an album, the goalposts of what you have to do change. So for example, this era... Videoed podcasts, really important. This era, doing TikToks with other influencers, really important. When I first started.

• 47:03Adam Friedland?

  It's terrible for the world.

• 47:04Speaker 02

  No, but when I first started, you would do like a Fader interview and a Pitchfork interview on a phone-a. You'd go to, when I first started making music, you would go to your record label, you'd sit there for two days. You'd do phoners with Pitchfork, The Guardian, Fader, a couple of others. And that would kind of be it and.

• 47:21Adam Friedland?

  There's no music press kind of anymore, is that what you're saying?

• 47:24Speaker 02

  There is, but I think the thing, all this is messy. The thing that's kind of bigger is, um, is displaying, is like being likeable and being relatable. And for me, that's equally as important as the music.

• 47:39Adam Friedland?

  But we love you.

• 47:40Speaker 02

  Oh, that's so sweet.

• 47:44Adam Friedland?

  You're not, no, I mean, I think you're like a serious, I think going like, uh, you know, I never like studied your process or your career. And I kind of want to go back to it, like, um, but like you, it seems like you have a, uh, there's something in your head that you're seeing, right? Is it difficult like, um, to seed, uh, to delegate if like, let's say like, if you have a collaborator that doesn't see the thing that you're seeing?

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Um, I mean, I have an interesting way of working with collaborators that are like really talented but can't see it. Is I, I just want them to do them and then I'll, I'll kind of edit it later.

• 48:16Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  So I just want people to like go the farthest they can possibly go with, within their vision. And then I like to take it and, and sort of edit it down for how it fits my vision.

• 48:26Adam Friedland?

  You just want people to have fun, is it true?

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, a hundred percent, yeah.

• 48:28Adam Friedland?

  Is it, it's really fun in the studio to make songs?

• 48:30Speaker 02

  It's really fun, yeah, it's really fun.

• 48:31Adam Friedland?

  I should start a little bit?

• 48:32Speaker 02

  You should start, yeah.

• 48:33Adam Friedland?

  I got it, I have a couple, yeah. But it's not your kind of music, it's like more like acoustic singer songwriting kind of.

• 48:39Speaker 02

  That's cute, I like that too.

• 48:41Adam Friedland?

  It's really serious, actually, it's not, I wouldn't say cute.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 48:43Adam Friedland?

  I mean, it's very constant, no, I'm just kidding.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  I am.

• 48:46Adam Friedland?

  Have you heard of Bob Dylan before?

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:48Adam Friedland?

  Nice.

• 48:51Adam Friedland?

  Have you ever met Bob Dylan?

• 48:52Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:53Adam Friedland?

  Can I go through your phone at the contacts?

• 48:56Speaker 02

  What kind of?

• 48:57Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, who you got on there?

• 48:58Speaker 02

  Well, like what?

• 48:59Adam Friedland?

  I just want to see, you have Drake in there?

• 49:01Speaker 02

  Uh, probably an old number.

• 49:06Adam Friedland?

  He's my favorite guy. He's the best guy. No, you don't have to do it. I can't imagine.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  It would have been quite funny, honestly.

• 49:15Adam Friedland?

  It would have been funny.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  There's nothing to hide.

• 49:17Adam Friedland?

  Is Future the best guy?

• 49:19Speaker 02

  He's very professional in the studio.

• 49:21Adam Friedland?

  He's a genius.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  He's very professional, yeah.

• 49:23Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 49:23Speaker 02

  He really like, he really like delivers on what he says he's gonna do.

• 49:27Adam Friedland?

  Do you think, you think he'd do a feature for the Adam Friedland? What's wrong with me?

• 49:32Speaker 02

  Maybe. I can ask him.

• 49:35Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 49:35Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:37Adam Friedland?

  Do you think he'd like me? I feel like we're kind of a very similar guy. Except I don't do infidelity, yeah.

• 49:44Speaker 02

  I think you just need to, like, if you ask a question, let people finish it. And so that...

• 49:50Adam Friedland?

  I'm just excited.

• 49:51Speaker 02

  No, I know, it's really cute. It's just hard to concentrate.

• 49:54Adam Friedland?

  Just an annoying guy.

• 49:55Speaker 02

  You're not annoying, it's endearing.

• 49:57Adam Friedland?

  There's an excitement about me.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like a puppy. It's cute.

• 50:00Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, IQ-wise especially, yeah.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  I think you're smart.

• 50:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. Like an adult dog.

• 50:08Speaker 02

  No, like, I've known your brain just smoothes quickly.

• 50:10Adam Friedland?

  I'll let you finish my future. Tell me more about Future.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Um, what do you want me to tell you?

• 50:15Adam Friedland?

  I, I, apparently you have something to say.

• 50:21Adam Friedland?

  Are we fighting?

• 50:26Adam Friedland?

  Alright.

• 50:29Adam Friedland?

  When you entered the industry, were there like other, like, more established artists that kind of took you under their wing?

• 50:34Speaker 02

  Um...

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Not really.

• 50:37Adam Friedland?

  You didn't have OGs?

• 50:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:39Adam Friedland?

  Is it kind of a lone wolf game?

• 50:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a lone wolf game.

• 50:42Adam Friedland?

  You don't have a squad of other musicians, like, not production people, but like other, like, artists?

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Not really. I've always been quite a lone wolf. I'm really trying to think, so I don't want to exclude anyone's.

• 50:55Adam Friedland?

  Elton John never hit you up? It was like, "I love seeing you do your thing."

• 50:59Speaker 02

  No, I don't think... Well, actually, do you know what I do? But kind of through someone else. So, my personal trainer is married to Jazzy B from Soul to Soul.

• 51:11Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  And I'm not like really close with Jazzy B. It's not like we hang out. But through Afwa, I've always had a lot of comfort just finding out things about the music industry that I didn't necessarily know. So, I'll be on the running machine. I'll just be talking about something and she'll give me an example about like Jazzy's career. And then I can sort of...

• 51:32Adam Friedland?

  So, you gossip with your trainer?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  It's not gossip. It's more just kind of her looking out for me. Like, she calls me like one of the youngest.

• 51:38Adam Friedland?

  Who are your goats? Like, have you met a goat before?

• 51:42Speaker 02

  Prince.

• 51:44Adam Friedland?

  Did you ever like completely like brick in front of a goat? Did you ever like fuck it? It's so... I imagine it would be so nerve wracking.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  Janet, maybe?

• 51:53Adam Friedland?

  Have you met her?

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:55Adam Friedland?

  And you did well?

• 51:57Speaker 02

  I think I complimented her too much and then I made her shy.

• 52:00Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 52:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, she's very gracious. Like, her personality is very gentle and gracious. And I was just like, "I love you so much. You're amazing. You've changed my whole life. I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you." And I think it was just a lot, but I meant it, so that's okay.

• 52:10Adam Friedland?

  Her bro changed my life.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:12Adam Friedland?

  He's the best of all time.

• 52:13Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:14Adam Friedland?

  Can you ima... Isn't it amazing? We shared a planet with Michael?

• 52:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:20Adam Friedland?

  I miss him so much. Where were you when you found out Michael Passa?

• 52:23Speaker 02

  I remember where I was when Aliyah passed away.

• 52:25Adam Friedland?

  Where were you?

• 52:26Speaker 02

  I was in Pineapple Dance Studios, in the clothes shop.

• 52:29Adam Friedland?

  Is that your life? You dance every day?

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, I try to.

• 52:33Adam Friedland?

  You maintain a practice every day?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  I mean, not every day because obviously I'm working so much. But I always try and move my body, yeah.

• 52:40Adam Friedland?

  Same. Yeah, go to work, do a celebrity interview, major pop star.

• 52:48Adam Friedland?

  Trying to figure out if she's mad at me or not.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  I'm not mad.

• 52:50Adam Friedland?

  You're pissed at me?

• 52:51Speaker 02

  I'm literally not.

• 52:52Adam Friedland?

  So, tell me about... Tell me about Usex... Like, what got you interested in singing about sex? Sex. I'm sorry, that was a bad question. Who wrote this?

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Usexua isn't about sex.

• 53:06Adam Friedland?

  It's an 11-pillar, kind of like wellness...

• 53:11Speaker 02

  Usexua is a feeling that I discovered that I want to be in more and I wanted to share that feeling with other people.

• 53:17Adam Friedland?

  Has it caught on? Do you feel like people are using Usexua?

• 53:22Speaker 02

  I think that the idea that we can be our best selves has caught on. I feel that in my shows. I feel like there's an idea that you can kind of overcome everything in your life and be in a feeling of beautiful nothingness, acceptance of yourself, presence in the moment, no ego, no want, just kind of pure human experience. I think that that idea has caught on, yeah.

• 53:48Adam Friedland?

  I did an immature sex thing at the beginning, but what's interesting to me is like from your early jobs is like working in burlesque and as a hostess at a strip club. In seeing you perform and like there's kind of a seductive aspect, like you kind of like are a seductress of an audience.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Really?

• 54:07Adam Friedland?

  There's kind of a relationship of like a woman on stage, or even doing pole dancing or something.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  I feel like pole dancing for me is like reclaiming experiences that I went through as a young woman and empowering myself to be in charge of my sensuality on stage. And I say sensuality instead of sexuality because, you know, as a young girl, like we go through so many horrific things finding our womanhood and...

• 54:33Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, what am I doing?

• 54:34Speaker 02

  Nothing. And so for me, starting to pole dance at a time when I'd had like a very big operation, I had fibroids and so I had to go through a lot of hospital appointments and doctors and operations to fix my fibroids. And they're basically like benign tumors in the uterus.

• 54:53Adam Friedland?

  Oh, your uterus.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like very invasive and it hit me at a time in my late twenties where I was very in charge of my sexuality and I had just had a huge surge in my career and I was dating someone very famous and it was very much like who's that girl energy and I was about to almost like step into my grace and step into my light and step into my power as a star and I had to completely step back and choose myself.

• 55:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  And choosing myself at that point was about breaking down my sexuality and finding strength in it and a power in it, which I don't think I had found before in my twenties because I don't think society encourages women to find their power and their sexuality because it's deemed as something that's controversial or dangerous or dirty or, you know, all of these things, so... Yeah, it forced me to to take a step back. And so then I started martial arts with a sword, wushu.

• 55:51Adam Friedland?

  I saw that was scary.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  And I started pole dancing as a way for me to connect with my body. So for me, when I pole dance, it's not really for anyone else.

• 55:59Adam Friedland?

  You're also a dancer too.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  It's for myself.

• 56:01Adam Friedland?

  It's a different kind of dancing, right?

• 56:02Speaker 02

  It's very different because it's in the air and it takes like a lot of, sorry, it takes like a lot of internal strength and a lot of slow strength. And it's not, it's big, powerful moves, but you have to be very present because otherwise you'll fall off the pole and hurt yourself. So it's like this beautiful dance between the mind, safety, and your body.

• 56:24Adam Friedland?

  You're from the Midlands, right? You're from like, you know, you're from a working class kind of background. But your, your work seems very highbrow, you know? Do you worry that it's, it could potentially make you inaccessible kind of to like, you know?

• 56:43Speaker 02

  But I think this is what I mean.

• 56:45Adam Friedland?

  Is that, is that a?

• 56:46Speaker 02

  No, it just might not like, it just might not hit straight away. So say, for example, you know, like Magdalen was a beautiful Baroque operatic, real world, real instrumental expression of like womanhood and pain. And I'm so proud of that project. And when it first came out, you know, although it was very critically acclaimed, like the masses didn't understand at all.

• 57:12Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 57:13Speaker 02

  And now, five years later, you know, that feels so much more plausible that an artist can sing opera on a pop song or create something.

• 57:24Adam Friedland?

  What's her name?

• 57:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly, Rosalia. Do you know what I mean? It's so much more plausible that that can be a pop song, you know? Or it's so much.

• 57:31Adam Friedland?

  You created it?

• 57:33Speaker 02

  No, it's not. No, no, no, no, no. I don't think that at all. No, I don't think that at all. I just think that sometimes like I make the suggestion very early and it allows culture to kind of breathe and make something so beautiful from that like naive starting point, you know? And I think that in my career, I've been lucky enough to be a part of or start a conversation early. So I don't know, I'm trying to think of other examples, like even including.

• 57:59Adam Friedland?

  You mean like you're making challenging work because you want to elevate?

• 58:01Speaker 02

  I think, I'm not, I'm not trying to do anything. I think that I am totally okay with making work and it.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Like seeding into culture and it taking its sweet time. Because I'm so blessed to have a career now. I mean, I'm twenty eight in a month or two and I've been doing this since I was probably like twenty two or twenty three. And I'm so blessed to still be here and I'm so blessed to still be making music. And what a blessing to be almost forty and nominated for my first Grammy that's centered around music. Or to have, you know, to be number one, for you sexually to go to like, sorry, number three in the UK charts. Or to win incredible awards at this point in my career. And I think it's just because I've taken my time. And I think it's because my roots go like deep and wide and that takes time.

• 58:56Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, what I see and maybe this is a stretch is that coming from like a working class background. What's clear is like you're very, you work hard.

• 59:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:06Adam Friedland?

  You know, you had four jobs before you went into music. You've released consistently for over a decade on the, probably a two year album cycle, like a consistent amount of work. Like, do you ever not, do you chill? Like?

• 59:19Speaker 02

  No.

• 59:20Adam Friedland?

  You don't chill?

• 59:20Speaker 02

  Not really. I mean, when I was very young, my stepdad sat me down and he was like, because of the way you look. Like, you're gonna have to like work very hard. Because I wanted to be a ballet dancer, which for me is, oh, yes.

• 59:33Adam Friedland?

  I see.

• 59:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:34Adam Friedland?

  Stop interrupting. I taught, it's my fault, it's bad.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  I see can interrupt.

• 59:39Adam Friedland?

  She's so cute.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  She's so cute.

• 59:41Adam Friedland?

  Ballet dancer.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  Ballet dancer. There weren't really many ballet dancers that were like black or brown or of color.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  And so he said to me that if I wanted to do it, I had to work ten times harder than everybody else. And.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  And I-

• 1:00:03Adam Friedland?

  That instilled a work ethic into you?

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  I have to work ten times harder. Or any, I think, like brown or black artist has to work ten times harder.

• 1:00:14Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:15Speaker 02

  Because we just can't get away with being average. We have to be amazing. We have to sing really well. We have to look incredible. We have to dance really well. We have to be polite all the time. We have to be on our Ps and Qs 24/7 because we're just not given the grace that other people that look differently are, you know, and you do one thing wrong and it's like, "Wrong, knew it." You know, it's like this energy of like, "Knew it, 100%."

• 1:00:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  You know, "Knew she was a wrong'un." So I, I think that I've always like, lived my life a bit by that. But I'm really not complaining. It's, um... I think I, I just get on with it.

• 1:00:50Adam Friedland?

  Do you think that the music sucks now? Icy, chill the fuck out.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:00:56Adam Friedland?

  She's so cute.

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  She's at the best.

• 1:00:58Adam Friedland?

  You know what song she likes the best?

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  Tell me.

• 1:01:00Adam Friedland?

  I don't know.

• 1:01:01Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 1:01:02Adam Friedland?

  She likes smelling peas so much. It's her favorite thing.

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Hi, sweetie.

• 1:01:07Adam Friedland?

  Honestly, um, do you like bands?

• 1:01:10Speaker 02

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:01:12Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 1:01:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:01:14Adam Friedland?

  Which one?

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  Like, Cocteau Twins.

• 1:01:16Adam Friedland?

  Sick.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, Sade's a band.

• 1:01:20Adam Friedland?

  You're in front of the one.

• 1:01:22Speaker 02

  Five minutes left.

• 1:01:23Adam Friedland?

  I know, I know, I gotta text. Do you have Adele's number?

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  Uh, no.

• 1:01:29Adam Friedland?

  She's incredible.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  She's amazing.

• 1:01:31Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. She doesn't have to show her, her breakfast sandwich to everyone? On Instagram?

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, but she's, she's in a, a different-

• 1:01:38Adam Friedland?

  You, so are you, bro. Come on. Don't feel pressured to like, to feed your, to make your fans insane and then they go to war with Indonesia or something or whatever the hell is going on on the internet these days.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  I don't feel pressure.

• 1:01:53Adam Friedland?

  Although maybe now that I realize we command an army, we could do anything with these people. The Twiggle, Twigglits.

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  Twigglits.

• 1:02:03Adam Friedland?

  That was a good point, I thought it was a-

• 1:02:04Speaker 02

  It is a good point.

• 1:02:05Adam Friedland?

  I thought, I, I, honestly, it says applause break here under-

• 1:02:14Adam Friedland?

  Have you ever dated a guy that's, uh, that's ugly?

• 1:02:18Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:02:18Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:19Adam Friedland?

  Poor and ugly?

• 1:02:21Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:02:23Adam Friedland?

  What's your favorite song ever?

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  My favorite song.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  Ever? I don't really know, I couldn't say that. Come on, we've only got really one question left.

• 1:02:39Adam Friedland?

  That was it? What's your favorite song?

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Look, we have another last question.

• 1:02:44Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 1:02:46Adam Friedland?

  Did Brexit have an effect on your career? Was it harder to get like French instruments?

• 1:02:53Speaker 02

  Okay, another question, come on.

• 1:02:59Adam Friedland?

  Do you fuck with Bob Dylan? Have you seen movies?

• 1:03:08Adam Friedland?

  What the hell even is sex? That wasn't good, okay. Making work about sex in an era where people have less sex?

• 1:03:19Speaker 02

  Say that again?

• 1:03:19Adam Friedland?

  So people have less sex, right? So if you're... If there are themes in your music about sex, is it business-wise, they're like, oh, you know what I mean?

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  No, another question, come on, please.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Down to the wire now.

• 1:03:33Adam Friedland?

  Your Godlike Genius Award does that since 2022? You live in fear that someone else will get it? Well, you have to go back to being regular. Have you ever wanted to dress like crap? God, that one out of the way.

• 1:03:48Speaker 02

  Come on, now we're going over.

• 1:03:50Adam Friedland?

  Oh. Is there a difference between sex?

• 1:03:56Speaker 02

  Why are you asking those questions about sex?

• 1:03:57Adam Friedland?

  Because you sexual, I don't know.

• 1:04:00Speaker 02

  It's you sexual is not about sex, it just has those letters in it.

• 1:04:04Adam Friedland?

  Oh, that's... So how would I get that out of that? Confusing, huh? Okay, here's a good one.

• 1:04:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:04:11Adam Friedland?

  I got a good one. Okay.

• 1:04:15Adam Friedland?

  When you finish something, right? Like, here's my experience making anything, right? You get a good idea, you get really excited, right? And then you try to do it, and you're like, I suck. Right? And then you fight through that middle stage.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:26Adam Friedland?

  And you put something together, but if you look... You have to start the next thing, right? You cannot think about it because it'll drive you nuts.

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:04:34Adam Friedland?

  And if you look back on something that you've made previously, you're like, I would change this, this, and this, this. Like, have you ever... What is perfect to you? Right?

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a good question. High five.

• 1:04:46Adam Friedland?

  Is that a good question?

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's so good.

• 1:04:48Adam Friedland?

  Oh, you said ugh, like it was like...

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  That's like a low five.

• 1:04:53Speaker 02

  I like the rest you did at the end.

• 1:04:54Adam Friedland?

  Do this, do this, do this.

• 1:04:59Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, like sniffing. I don't know. That was disgusting. One more, okay?

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  I think we did enough.

• 1:05:05Adam Friedland?

  What is perfection? Like, have you finished the song and been like, "This is, this is, this is..."

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  But I'm gonna have to sit on the floor. I'm just so exhausted.

• 1:05:12Adam Friedland?

  I don't know, my dog's here.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  I'm so exhausted.

• 1:05:15Adam Friedland?

  Is it like, I just have a bad personality?

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  No, you don't, at all.

• 1:05:20Adam Friedland?

  Did you want to go in front of the dancers? Did your, did your music suck at first? How long did it take you to make something you thought didn't suck? When did you start dressing crazy? That's a good question.

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  Are these all actual questions?

• 1:05:32Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. Brian Jones is part of your town.

• 1:05:37Speaker 02

  It's okay, we don't have to ask any more questions. We can just end it here.

• 1:05:40Adam Friedland?

  You wanna just chill? We can hang out.

• 1:05:45Adam Friedland?

  What did you...

• 1:05:50Adam Friedland?

  What kind of music did your parents show you? Were you a silent girl that drew, that drew horses? Were less dancers strip club horses? Were you first hired as backup dancers? Ed Sheeran chill?

• 1:06:00Speaker 02

  It's okay, we don't have to ask another question.

• 1:06:02Adam Friedland?

  Was there black swan type drama? You got paid twice as much, is that, is that facts?

• 1:06:09Adam Friedland?

  You have the ID cover of Fader, we talked about that. You have ambition, did you want to be famous? Was it difficult? I'm just gonna read you all the questions. If you hear one good one. Oh, have you, since you got fit... I got a good question. Since you've gotten famous, has anyone offered you drugs?

• 1:06:28Adam Friedland?

  Twigs, everyone!

• 1:06:32Adam Friedland?

  Icy, what are you doing? You're...

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Icy's...

• 1:06:35Adam Friedland?

  Icy and icy, and icy!

• 1:07:22Speaker 00

  This episode is brought to you by Whole Foods Market. Fall is here and Whole Foods Market has everything you need for cozy meals, seasonal treats and easy entertaining. Elevate your hearty dishes with tasty bone-in beef short ribs or New York strip steaks with no added growth hormones or antibiotics. And as the fall evenings draw in, why not get ahead of cold season with immunity shots, herbal teas, lozenges and supplements? Make sure you look for sales throughout the month. Shop fall flavors with higher standards at Whole Foods Market.

• 1:07:50Speaker 04

  Coca-Cola. For the big, for the small, the short and the tall. Peacemakers, risk takers. For the optimists, pessimists. For long distance love. For introverts and extroverts. The thinkers and the doers. For old friends and new. Coca-Cola for everyone. Pick up some Coca-Cola at a store near you.