A Four Door Mustang? Super Bee and Car Week Reveals! Plus a VW Truck! THIS CAR POD! EP124

Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS Welcome to THIS CAR POD! Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion on breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Thank you to our sponsors! Factor - Let’s eat real. Head to https://factormeals.com/cars50off and use code cars50off to get 50 percent off and 1 free breakfast item per box for 1 year, while supplies last until 10/31/2026. (See website for more details.) Notion - Learn more about how Notion can support your business, at https://notion.com/cars Mothers - Visit https://mothers.com/carsandbids to find out more and purchase Mothers® products! Chapters: 00:00:00 THIS CAR POD! 00:00:14 The Four Door Mustang 00:07:53 Dodge Charger Super Bee 00:16:04 Acura Debut 00:23:44 Cars Being Revealed At The Quail 00:27:53 Chevrolet Express Gets A Touch Screen 00:33:31 VW To Bring New Pickup To US 00:37:31 Talk Cars 00:37:56 Who's Going To Car Week? 00:50:08 Willow Springs Reimagined 00:51:06 Nick Bought A Kia 01:02:03 Market Report 01:03:08 Cheap Cars 01:07:17 Ford Mustang Shelby GT350R 01:08:35 Mitsubishi Evo V 01:12:00 Community Questions 01:12:09 Why Does Porsche Use the Turbo Name On EV Models" 01:12:25 Have You Noticed Market Manipulation? 01:16:13 Has San Diego Influenced Your Car Lifestyle? 01:23:45 Is Doug Buying Cars So Nick Cant? 01:24:23 Did Doug Think He Would Be On The Grand Tour? 01:25:19 What Is The Most Expensive Family Car You Would Buy? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:05Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:09Speaker 04

  I'm Filippo.

• 1:09Speaker 05

  I'm Nick.

• 1:10Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug and there's a lot to cover this week. Let's start with the news. The big news of the week is that Wall Street Journal is reporting that Ford has done some sort of dealer meeting and confirmed the an upcoming four door Mustang. We'd already known this. Auto News reported this months ago, but apparently now they've actually physically showed it to the dealers. And there's maybe a little bit more details. Is there going to be a V8 Filippo?

• 1:35Speaker 04

  It's a little unclear. They haven't confirmed that extent. We know from some reporting that there will be a hybrid. I've heard rumors of a V8. What we do know is that they showed some early concepts in person to a large dealer meeting that they had in Vegas, where they also talked about the Ford Fathom, which we talked about last week, revealed a $25,000 small crossover. Did some other kind of big dealer related like upcoming product reveals. The Mustang, we know from some reports from people there, they weren't allowed to take photos, but apparently it will look somewhat like a Panamera. Take that as you will.

• 2:07Speaker 05

  Hopefully the second gen.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  Hopefully a second gen. But very much like a Mustang, apparently. Four doors. We know there'll be a bunch of powertrain options. They've said that it will start around or below $40,000. I imagine there'll be like an EcoBoost version.

• 2:21Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, this is big news.

• 2:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Mach 4 is what they're gonna call it.

• 2:27Speaker 04

  They're probably gonna call it. It's interesting, right? So they Ford stopped doing all cars. The Mustang is the only car they've been selling for the last this decade, pretty much. They got rid of cars to go for SUVs. They've now realized that maybe there is a market, maybe focused around their most famous sub brand, which is Mustang, for a four door car, basically. So it'll be interesting to see. It's an interesting return to that. But with like a sporty intention, with a little bit more personality, maybe than like a Fusion or a 500 or a Tourist or whatever.

• 3:01Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, do you agree that we will not purchase this car if there's no V8?

• 3:08Speaker 05

  I don't think we'll purchase it regardless, but.

• 3:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, no. Listen, I know we're not gonna buy it. But you agree we're not gonna buy it if there's no V8?

• 3:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, especially when Dodge is out here ripping V8s and.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  They're ripping V6s though.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  V6s and everything.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Right? They don't have a V8 either, but they're almost certainly will be a V8. There's some reporting around that. There's reporting around a V8 hybrid also. They've said.

• 3:30Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's not what we want.

• 3:31Speaker 04

  The fastest version will apparently have a sub 4 seconds 060, which is good performance.

• 3:37Speaker 05

  Doug and I are only buying if it's a shoot and brake manual V8.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 3:40Doug DeMuro?

  No way. That's not what I said. I said I won't buy if there's no V8. I never gave any conditions under which I would buy it. There are none.

• 3:48Speaker 05

  It is interesting. We took Mustang, you know, my grandpappy's Mustang had a 289 in it and all that. And then we had the Mach-E and okay, it's a Mustang electric SUV. And now we've got the Mustang Mach 4. Does the Mustang become its own brand? What other Mustang variants do we have? Do we get a Mustang Mach 2? That's like a little economy car.

• 4:09Speaker 04

  We've seen a lot of brands kind of focus on like what brings in enthusiasts and relating it to the core enthusiast car.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:16Speaker 04

  It seems to be a potentially successful strategy.

• 4:18Speaker 05

  I want a Mustang Mach 7.

• 4:20Speaker 04

  Which is a seven seater.

• 4:21Speaker 05

  It's gonna be based on the Expedition, lowered SVT style, like the Thunder concept.

• 4:26Speaker 04

  That's not gonna happen, but I appreciate the dream.

• 4:28Speaker 05

  I would have a bigger market than a $40,000 sedan.

• 4:32Doug DeMuro?

  What? Wait, you don't.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  That's a normal price now.

• 4:35Doug DeMuro?

  This is gonna be successful?

• 4:36Speaker 05

  No, dead on the water. Sedans are not. The only people buying sedans are buying them because they are the cheapest option available. When you price this at 40K, there's no market left. It's not, it's not, you would rather have a Mach-E or something that's.

• 4:48Speaker 04

  The average new car is like $52,000 now.

• 4:51Speaker 05

  Okay, fair, but if you're buying a sedan, you're buying like a Versa or something that's like 20K or a Kia K5.

• 4:59Doug DeMuro?

  Now, wait a minute. My, my, my, my guess is that they will position the four door Mustang as sort of a more budget friendly alternative to like a three series. I think this will probably be positioned where the Infiniti G35, 37 and Q50 used to be positioned. And I think you're gonna find that, I mean, Nick, the Dodge Charger sold big numbers before they got rid of it for the electric one. And that was the same idea. It was like a four door muscle car. That was a pretty popular car.

• 5:25Speaker 05

  Hey, look, look, I didn't grow up in Cherry Hills Village or whatever fancy suburb of Denver. You did. All right, 40K where I'm from is a lot of money. And I'm just telling you, the only people that are buying sedans are doing so because they're cheap.

• 5:38Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you, you, in order to Google that fact, you ignored literally everything that I just said.

• 5:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true. That is true. What did you just say?

• 5:46Doug DeMuro?

  Let's go back and say it again. The, the G35 and G37 and Q50 were quite popular and they still are popular in some neighborhoods late at night and.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  This was 20 years ago. The, the market has changed.

• 6:00Speaker 04

  The C, the C-Class, the E-Class, the five series sell.

• 6:03Speaker 05

  The Tourist used to be the best car, but that doesn't mean anything today.

• 6:07Doug DeMuro?

  The Dodge Charger was selling pretty big numbers up until, I mean, they got rid of it. It was selling still. It was selling well. Is that, is that not, oh God, he's typing in.

• 6:15Speaker 05

  And by the way, what was the Dodge Charger was.

• 6:18Speaker 04

  They were selling pretty, truly pretty well.

• 6:20Speaker 05

  They were about the same price point.

• 6:21Speaker 04

  And same price point for this one. Sub 40K, by the way, is gonna be one of the cheaper products on new products on sale. By the way, the Camaro, which we don't know that much about yet, but it's gonna have another generation. We'll also have a four door sedan variant.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  And I know Jim Farley did. Go ahead.

• 6:37Doug DeMuro?

  If this is a rear wheel drive, four door, tell me how this isn't like a G30, like, like you're looking at a three series. You can't afford like a Kia Stinger kind of thing.

• 6:45Speaker 05

  Or like a Crown Vec, like are we bringing back the Panther, basically?

• 6:48Doug DeMuro?

  No, it's more athletic than that. It's more athletic. It's gonna be fun. There are some cars in this segment that have had some success, the Charger and the Q50. And I have a suspicion that there are people who want a Mustang, but don't want a two door car.

• 7:01Speaker 05

  You could, you could be very right here. Like I'm not, I'm not disagreeing with you, but the fact that they're saying, okay, it has Panamera vibes. That has not been a commercial success.

• 7:09Speaker 04

  You do have to wonder, these are all Ford dealers that are saying this because they're the only ones that saw it. What do they think a Panamera looks like? Becomes the question.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Well, they probably get a lot traded in that they, they give them eight grand cash towards their Mach-E.

• 7:21Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you. I agree with you, Filippo. I think they're basically, what they're saying is that it has a sloping roof line.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  Four door coupe.

• 7:28Doug DeMuro?

  I've also heard that it's gonna look like a current generation Mustang, which that rendering we have up there does. And I think a current generation Mustang would actually look pretty baller if it had four doors. I, I, I'm hot on this product. I'm excited to see if they actually can deliver it for under 40, if it stays rear wheel drive. If there's a V8 available, I think this is actually a pretty cool thing. And I think it's smart of Ford to pursue a market, the Charger market, which, which Chrysler basically seeded without a replacement, which is unusual for a car that is successful. And they did that because of the growing EV demand, which has since declined. And so maybe there's an option, an opportunity here for Ford. Now, similar cars like the Kia Stinger have failed in this segment and the Chevy SS.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  Good point.

• 8:09Doug DeMuro?

  Some have been successes and some have been failures. And so it'll be curious, it'll be interesting to see exactly how this one goes.

• 8:14Speaker 05

  I just can't think of a sedan that I would call super successful since like the Model S, where it's been like a hot, in demand, very desirable.

• 8:23Doug DeMuro?

  The Charger, the Charger was that. They were selling real units of the Charger up until the very end. I think that. And doing, they were doing so at this price point with this buyer. Hey Filippo, do we have a, a timeline on this?

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that that's a 2027 reveal for 2028, 29 is my understanding. So relatively soon.

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  Not so bad.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  By the way, a small crossover to go around 2029, that's like a sub 25K, trying to hit that cheaper price point.

• 8:50Speaker 05

  There you go. It's interesting. The Nissan Versa buyer.

• 8:53Speaker 04

  Pretty much.

• 8:53Doug DeMuro?

  What else you got? What's our next story?

• 8:55Speaker 05

  More American muscle.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  We can have Chargers.

• 8:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, the Super B, which we talked about a couple of weeks ago. They initially had their like AI video with the Bs and all that. Now we know what it looks like. 600 horsepower, inline turbo six. They've rumored to have an even more powerful version coming, but this is the 2027 Dodge Charger Super B.

• 9:15Speaker 04

  It is for now the most powerful Charger. It's a hurricane six cylinder situation, right?

• 9:19Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  600 horsepower, but there will be more, which is no surprise, right? Dodge's entire personality at the moment is add more power to all of their cars.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  More power.

• 9:28Speaker 04

  And then when you then discontinue that product and advertise that this will be the last of the powerful Durango. You come out with another equally powerful Durango. So this will just keep happening.

• 9:36Speaker 05

  And for you tuners and Ryan Lopez fans here, it has got Garrett turbochargers.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  56 millimeter snails that provide 30 PSI boost and peak torque arrives at 3,000 RPM. So.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 9:49Speaker 05

  If you want to have a takeover and you, like me, are unsure about the Mach 4, boy, does Dodge have something for you.

• 9:57Doug DeMuro?

  Is this car not four wheel drive anymore?

• 10:00Speaker 05

  11.8 quarter mile. There's nothing about these.

• 10:05Doug DeMuro?

  Thanks Nick. Thanks for that. That answers the question.

• 10:08Speaker 04

  I also do think it's just for the coupe. I don't think there's a four door Super B.

• 10:11Speaker 05

  It's got a unique snout that can inhale more air to keep things cool.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Remember when, when we reviewed that, when we did that Hellcat with Street Speed 717 Doug in rural Pennsylvania? And you discovered that the headlight was fake?

• 10:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, one of the headlights in the, maybe, maybe it was true of all the Hellcats. Initially, one of the headlights in the Hellcats was fake and it was, it was an intake.

• 10:34Speaker 05

  I still really wanna.

• 10:34Speaker 04

  So it has a snout to a lot more air.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Why don't we have a Hellcat, Filippo?

• 10:38Doug DeMuro?

  You can get a Hellcat.

• 10:41Speaker 05

  You gotta worry about like lifter tech and some, some pretty serious engine challenges if you can buy a cheap one, which let's be honest, I would buy a cheap one, but.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  And theft.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. Well, I can.

• 10:51Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember, do you remember Omi in a Hellcat?

• 10:55Speaker 05

  No.

• 10:56Doug DeMuro?

  He was a YouTuber. He's in federal prison, but he had a Hellcat and I bet it's pretty cheap now.

• 11:01Speaker 05

  What, because of things he did in the Hellcat or unrelated?

• 11:05Doug DeMuro?

  No, I can't remember actually. Sam would know. Sam would know.

• 11:09Speaker 05

  We'll ask our friend Sam. I do, I do love the, the YouTuber gossip. It's always the best.

• 11:14Doug DeMuro?

  This was years ago. Nobody watching is gonna remember this guy, but he was, his name was Omi in a Hellcat. That was his channel name. Omi in a Hellcat.

• 11:23Speaker 04

  Pretty good.

• 11:24Doug DeMuro?

  And Omi, we liked Omi and then, but then he went to jail.

• 11:29Doug DeMuro?

  So anyway, this is a thing and it's got a gas six cylinder. V8 is coming. We all know. They haven't announced that yet, but we all know it's coming. I think this is a fantastic six cylinder. I'm excited to drive this car. I have a suspicion it's gonna be awesome. I really actually like this product. With the right powertrain, I think this actually could be a very, in the right price point, it could be a very compelling car.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  And remember when it launched, it was EV only?

• 11:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 11:50Speaker 05

  And now we're talking about 600 horsepower, six cylinders, and now we're talking about a V8 coming? Like, wow, has the world changed? And that's again, why I'm saying, okay, the four door Ford, like, I don't, I don't, the world is so different than it was even two years ago.

• 12:04Speaker 04

  Credit to Dodge. They've kept up with that change somehow, although I've yet to see a Charger on the road since it was like a solid couple.

• 12:10Speaker 05

  Couple.

• 12:10Speaker 04

  So, but by dealers brought to Cars and Coffees, haven't seen a customer car.

• 12:14Speaker 05

  I've seen about as many as I've seen Wild Filippo's at Cars and Coffee.

• 12:17Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 12:18Speaker 05

  Like, it happens once a month, maybe. You see one.

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:21Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, walk me, walk me through your shirt there. You got a Ford GT shirt.

• 12:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, it, it's laundry day at my house.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  Shout out to Avant.

• 12:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, Avant's gave me this shirt. And, uh, you know, I did happen to notice, when you said you were looking for Heritage GT, you said, the first news story every week would be the Heritage GT until we found one. And it hasn't been the lead story in a couple weeks, Doug.

• 12:45Doug DeMuro?

  What are you implying? That, that, that we found one? Who's we?

• 12:47Speaker 05

  Well, the audience would, the audience would infer that perhaps you might have found one. I don't know.

• 12:56Doug DeMuro?

  I got a lot of car changes coming. It's gonna be a whole thing. I got, I just went to register a car today. I got a lot of DMV trips to make.

• 13:04Speaker 05

  What are you implying by that?

• 13:07Doug DeMuro?

  That there's, that there may be Ford GT Heritage news coming.

• 13:11Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 13:11Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you, let me ask you.

• 13:12Speaker 05

  Did you pay $2.2 million for it?

• 13:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nick, let me ask you a question. If you were getting a Ford GT Heritage, what number would you put on the circles?

• 13:21Speaker 05

  99, baby.

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Cause there are circles. There's a meatball on the side that you can put a number on if you want.

• 13:27Speaker 05

  Right. Yeah, we got that. We're, we're caught up. Thank you. It's also, it's in case you don't know what a Heritage is, it's, it's light blue with orange on it. And Ford GT was a V8 supercar from 05 to 06. Uh, any other fact?

• 13:42Doug DeMuro?

  What number would you put on the car?

• 13:44Speaker 04

  I think I just wouldn't be in that situation.

• 13:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you can't, why can't you be imaginative? Once in your life, why can't you simply be imaginative?

• 13:53Speaker 04

  No, no number, cause I haven't earned a number. Like, you gotta go racing, you gotta sign a number, you gotta win. And then you can feel the pride of putting that number on the side of your race car. But I, that you haven't been. And so you gotta leave it blank till you go win.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  He would use that, that circle and he would sell ad spots against it. And every month it would change. It'd be like, oh, you can eat breadsticks at Olive Garden. And then like the next month, it would be someone different.

• 14:15Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, Felipe, it's interesting you bring up going racing in a Ford GT and winning. I seem to recall that I did go racing in a Ford GT against Nick. And I seem to have recall winning.

• 14:27Speaker 05

  Oh, so you get to take his?

• 14:28Doug DeMuro?

  Is that your recollection, Nick?

• 14:29Speaker 05

  I, I remember being very close.

• 14:32Speaker 04

  You can go watch that video. Still, it's on YouTube.

• 14:34Speaker 05

  That was, that was such a fun video. We need more track days, even though they're not that interesting to watch. They're really fun to make.

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  Unfortunately.

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• 17:34Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next news story, please.

• 17:37Speaker 05

  Acura.

• 17:38Speaker 04

  Acura.

• 17:39Doug DeMuro?

  What is your Acura?

• 17:39Speaker 05

  At the Quail, which is known for its most exotic, high-end, $20 million cars, Acura, of all people, not only still making cars, they're debuting at the Quail and also at Pebble Beach, a new concept car. It is said, they, they've given very little details other than they blasted everyone that has tickets to either event, saying it'll be showcasing a bold new era for Acura design. The new design language will influence the brand's future models, including the much anticipated, super exciting, fourth generation Acura RDX hybrid, set to arrive, they're not promising a date, set to arrive in the coming years.

• 18:15Speaker 04

  Oh, wow. For the super.

• 18:16Speaker 05

  This is, this is wild. Okay, we're, we're gonna make a hybrid sometime. And to celebrate that intent or that idea, we're gonna have a completely unrelated concept car at an event that no Acura buyers will be present.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  But keep in mind, last year, they showed the RSX prototype, which they, even EV RSX.

• 18:33Doug DeMuro?

  I wanted to mention that. Nick, do you remember this? Quail last year, where Gordon Murray revealed that McLaren have one thing, and there were all these big debuts, and Mike Kuntas was there. Uh, Acura revealed the RSX prototype and insisted, and I'm now reading their press release from that, a significant next step in the performance brands, the performance brands electrification strategy. Uh, they referred to it as captivating and, uh, mentioned that it is a dramatically styled premium performance SUV. Now, on this very podcast, oh, I don't know, two months ago, we reported that Honda has shelved all plans for electric vehicles and will never, ever produce an electric vehicle again.

• 19:14Speaker 04

  Not quite what we said, but yeah.

• 19:16Doug DeMuro?

  Unless it is a remote controlled car licensed to Hasbro. Now, the RSX, so therefore the RSX prototype didn't happen.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:25Doug DeMuro?

  But this new one, we're not sure.

• 19:27Speaker 05

  Well, maybe it's the RSX Type S or something that they'll be debuting. You know, like, maybe they're gonna.

• 19:31Doug DeMuro?

  They'll do like the whole model line of RSX prototypes that'll never come to the market.

• 19:35Speaker 05

  It's the RSX Type Mach 4.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  So they will, I, I guess that this concept will surely never happen. But it could be like an NSX-esque thing. And then it'll drive forward the styling direction for the R, for the RDX.

• 19:48Speaker 05

  For an RDX hybrid that's coming in.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Small, midsize SUV.

• 19:50Speaker 05

  A couple of years.

• 19:51Speaker 04

  Couple of years.

• 19:51Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 19:52Speaker 04

  They need new products.

• 19:53Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't it funny, isn't it funny that after all these years Toyota was right? You remember Toyota was like, we're not doing EVs, we're doing hybrids. We're doing hybrids. And everybody was like, EVs, Toyota's so behind, they're not doing EVs. And now, you know, I saw a chart, the days supply. Toyota has the lowest days supply of any.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  But, but keep in mind that the Highlander is now EV only. And they, they have the car that, whose review came out today, the BZ, and the, sorry, the CHR, and the BZ, and the BZ Woodland, and the Highlander, all EV only. So they're clearly are coming to market.

• 20:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's, but that's a disingenuous, I mean, there is a, there is a non EV Highlander called the Grand Highlander, which is incredibly hot.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  The Highlander, as I said, went EV only.

• 20:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. And sort of the CHR. Yeah, yeah. Toyota, Toyota really rose to the challenge. Toyota's right. And I'll tell you something, as the owner of a Toyota hybrid, which at any point may strand me because the engine may blow up and Toyota's refusing all responsibility.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  It won't strand you because the hybrid motor will, the electric motor will move it.

• 20:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  30, 40 feet.

• 20:55Doug DeMuro?

  30, 40 feet. Um, Toyota manufacturer of noted hybrid vehicles. I got a call from my mom yesterday. And, um, my mom's got a, my mom's got a 2005. Do you know what my mom drives, Felipe?

• 21:07Speaker 05

  Of course. Lexus RX 330.

• 21:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, my mom's got a 2005 Lexus RX 330 with 106,000 miles.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  It's got 106 to go.

• 21:18Doug DeMuro?

  She told me that she last got gas on May 31st. And, um, oh, and, and so she calls me up, right? And she says, uh, she says, Doug, she says, um, I'm having this problem with the car, where I take the key out, and none of the accessories turn off, and none of the, the lights turn off. And like, the car seems to think that it's running still. The engine turns off. But like, you can't lock it, like, you, it's all still like on. And she said, so I took it to the Lexus dealer, and they said it's, it'd be $4,500 to replace the steering column and all this stuff. And she said, the Lexus dealer also told me that they want to, um, that they, they'd be interested in buying the car. There's some sales guys who really want the car. I mean, this is like, you know, they've had

• 21:59Doug DeMuro?

  the car for like 18 years and it's, you know, in nice shape. And I said, well, I said, I think, she said, but she said, I'm very worried because I can't get stranded. And I said, well, you got gas last on May 31st. Like, you're not, it doesn't sound like you're, what's your risk? Like, really?

• 22:20Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and then I introduced her to something, the concept that she had never heard of in her life, which was an independent auto repair shop that was not affiliated with the dealership. I said, why don't you take to an independent shop? What are you talking about? I said, independent, like a Toyota shop that'll... She said, can you look them up for me? I said, I'll do that. So I sent her off.

• 22:39Speaker 04

  What a good son.

• 22:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  Uh, thank you for connecting that story to the Acura RDX hybrid that's coming soon. Uh, I will say...

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'm just what, what I'm trying to illustrate is that there are some of us who are loyal consumers of Toyota vehicles and Toyota was right all along and Acura was wrong.

• 22:57Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry. Can I ask you just a couple of quick questions here?

• 22:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  Uh, what was the, the product? How many Lexus's has, have your parents bought?

• 23:07Doug DeMuro?

  One.

• 23:07Speaker 04

  How many Lexus have they bought since that point?

• 23:10Doug DeMuro?

  None.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Right. So they're loyal to something.

• 23:15Speaker 05

  Are you advocating they should make less reliable vehicles so you have to trade them in and get new ones? I don't know.

• 23:20Doug DeMuro?

  They're loyal, they are loyal to the individual product. They have that great 3.3 liter V6. That was one of the great powertrains ever to exist.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  The R, that R, that RX is a great car. By the way, I want to say a fun thing about Acura. Because I think we give Acura a lot of grief for the fact that they don't make any compelling products currently.

• 23:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 04

  Uh, they sold more cars in the first half of this year than Cadillac, than Audi, your favorite brand Audi. Acura with products that are quite dated.

• 23:47Doug DeMuro?

  What does that have to do with anything? They probably sold more cars than Ferrari too.

• 23:50Speaker 05

  Honestly, I thought they were like dying if not dead. So the fact that they're still out there.

• 23:55Speaker 04

  They're the fourth largest luxury brand in the US.

• 23:57Doug DeMuro?

  I'm only interested in profit. The, the thing that you gotta understand, this is, the automakers hide behind sales numbers.

• 24:03Speaker 04

  And they came out 10 years ago as all of their products did. I think that they've amortized their, their investment quite successfully.

• 24:11Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. We don't know what the current situation is and how they're forcing dealers to take these cars and what kind of holdback they're giving them. Ultimately, this is the problem that I have with sales numbers, why I don't like to report sales numbers. I am only interested in revenue and ultimately net profit. The automakers like to report sales numbers to show their success, but Buicks over there selling 80% of their cars to rental fleets and then saying, everything's fine. We're selling, look at us, we're the third most popular premium brand. Meanwhile, every En vista that I see has 14 inch wheels and a plastic thing on the key tab. And I, to me, I just, I don't accept those numbers. I want to know what, what the, I want to know what the financial situation.

• 24:47Speaker 04

  Which we, we, uh, I'll, I'll prepare that for a couple of seconds. But I, it's important to note also the investment that you as a brand are making. And if you're Acura and, I mean, now they're apparently investing heavily in the prototype and a few years from now, the RDX hybrid.

• 25:00Speaker 05

  What's odd is that a, a display of both Pebble and Quail is going to set them back tens of millions of dollars probably.

• 25:07Speaker 04

  Clear reason.

• 25:08Speaker 05

  Uh, there's certainly a cheaper way to tease some taillights, but.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  Yep. Uh, all right, let's keep moving on. There's a bunch of other cars that are going to be revealed at the Quail. Can I talk about them quickly?

• 25:18Speaker 05

  Did you, did you end up getting tickets or did we cheap out?

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Uh, I'm not going unfortunately.

• 25:22Speaker 05

  You're not going, okay.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  But Sean, our producer, will be at the Quail.

• 25:25Speaker 05

  And I will and Ken will. A lot of, the, the crew minus you and Doug.

• 25:29Speaker 04

  Can, can we say two words on each car?

• 25:32Speaker 05

  That's it?

• 25:32Speaker 04

  Diablo restomod thing, I think.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  At the, the, the top left, the.

• 25:36Speaker 05

  The Eccentric Diablo Roadster.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  Some Gambala thing. Uh, the only one that's cool is that, uh,

• 25:43Speaker 05

  Rizvani.

• 25:44Speaker 04

  Rizvani B6, which is based on a C8 Corvette. Is it armored?

• 25:48Speaker 05

  I think Gordon Murray fans will take advantage of, or take issue with that, but.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Rizvani makes tanks that are armored and have like.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, they make the tank, but they already make the Beast. They make other vehicles.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  What is the Rizvani B6?

• 26:00Speaker 05

  The Beast X is based off the newest Corvette.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  A thousand horsepower. It is basically turning the volume up to 11, uh, or sorry, 1,560 horsepower. New bodywork, et cetera. I've actually seen the non-X, like the regular Beast, and it looked pretty cool.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  Is it also based on a Corvette?

• 26:16Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, great. So we, we know this. And then apparently Gordon Murray Academy, uh, will be revealing a new product. The last one they revealed at the Quail last year, uh, was like a one-off F1 looking thing based on the T50 that sold at auction for them for like $20 million.

• 26:33Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, I want to, I want to interject real quick because these are cars that regular people don't care about and can't afford. I want to tell you about a car that regular people can afford, that I have a news story about myself. It's not in the slides, but I have one. And the news story is that today I looked up the size of the engine inside semi trucks.

• 26:50Doug DeMuro?

  Do either of you want to take a guess as to what kind of engine semi trucks?

• 26:53Speaker 04

  Many are, are turbo diesel, six cylinders. Large.

• 26:58Doug DeMuro?

  Give me an engine size.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  12 liters.

• 27:02Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, what's the correct answer?

• 27:05Speaker 05

  Can I Google it?

• 27:06Doug DeMuro?

  And how much power and torque?

• 27:08Speaker 04

  Oh, no power, decent torque, but not as much as you'd think.

• 27:12Doug DeMuro?

  Give me numbers!

• 27:14Speaker 04

  600 pound-feet of torque and 350 horsepower.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  350, 600? That's like, that's like a, that's like a Mustang.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  But Nick, what's the correct answer? He said, he says he thinks, what'd you say, 12 liters, straight six?

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:29Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, come on, these are trucks. He thinks it's a, got a straight six like a BMW and it only has 300 horsepower. What's the correct, what's the correct numbers here? Come on.

• 27:36Speaker 05

  I'll just double whatever Filippo said.

• 27:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so you think they're running 24 liter, uh, inline 12?

• 27:44Speaker 05

  I would buy a semi of that.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  I was maybe a little off on the torque, but otherwise I was spot on.

• 27:50Doug DeMuro?

  Correct answer is about a 15 liter, straight six is correct. The power numbers you gave were insane.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  A little off.

• 27:57Doug DeMuro?

  They're less than half, actually. Double Filippo's, you'd still be under. It's like, they're like 600 horsepower and like 1,800 pound-feet of torque.

• 28:05Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 28:06Doug DeMuro?

  That is a good news story that is useful to the consumer, unlike all this. Okay, what's our next news story, please?

• 28:11Speaker 04

  For the record, in Europe, the Volvo models, 13 liter inline, six cylinder hybrid, uh, uh, diesels with 380 to 500 horsepower. So I was spot on.

• 28:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but what torque? It's, I guarantee it's not 600 pound-feet of torque.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  It doesn't really matter.

• 28:30Doug DeMuro?

  Give us our next.

• 28:31Speaker 04

  They, they, they reported in Newton meter. Nobody knows.

• 28:34Speaker 05

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• 29:18Speaker 05

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• 29:24Speaker 04

  Uh, all right, the Chevy Express, speaking of semi trucks, uh, the Chevy Express, you, you're familiar. It came out in 1996.

• 29:32Speaker 04

  You've, you've seen a few around, right?

• 29:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  Good news for 2027, there will be a touchscreen.

• 29:40Speaker 05

  That's pretty exciting.

• 29:42Doug DeMuro?

  I have a legitimate question.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  I want to add more information, but please go ahead.

• 29:45Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, wait, I have a legitimate question about this news story that is not.

• 29:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:49Doug DeMuro?

  Is the GMC Savannah also getting the touchscreen?

• 29:53Speaker 04

  Good question. I think the GMC Savannah died.

• 29:56Doug DeMuro?

  No, no!

• 29:57Speaker 04

  Did it not?

• 29:58Doug DeMuro?

  No!

• 30:00Speaker 04

  Uh, I, you gotta assume that they're making all of, yes, they are. The GMC Savannah is also getting that touchscreen. So that's exciting. Uh, the, the options, there'll be a two speaker, the base will be a two speaker system. Uh, you can get a four speaker system if you upgrade. Uh, but the current, so in, in 2019, for one model year, the 2019 model year only, they offered as an option, a touchscreen that also offered Bluetooth audio. And then they removed that option in 2020 for some reason. But now it will, they will all have Bluetooth audio and aux cable, uh, and a touchscreen.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  You have to imagine that was a pretty easy feature to add.

• 30:38Speaker 04

  You, you have to assume that it wasn't, otherwise they would have kept that option around.

• 30:42Doug DeMuro?

  How bizarre. Did you know that they offered a 2.8 liter turbocharged four-cylinder Duramax diesel?

• 30:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 30:50Doug DeMuro?

  Not anymore. Like the, like the 2019 touchscreen, it went away. It actually was, here's, here's a great thing. It was actually offered from 17 to 22. So in 19, you could have gotten the Duramax diesel and the touchscreen. Those are the valuable ones. That's the, that's the Mark IV turbo with the.

• 31:08Speaker 04

  That is, the, when you go to, to a site like Cars and Bids, a couple of years from now, it's going to hold a real premium.

• 31:15Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 31:16Speaker 04

  Uh, for 2019 touchscreen.

• 31:18Doug DeMuro?

  Enthusiast buy.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  Uh, this is exciting news for everybody that buys a cutaway or passenger van or cargo van express.

• 31:25Doug DeMuro?

  Which the, the Chevy Express, I remember when it came out, it was something like 96.

• 31:30Speaker 04

  It was 96, yeah.

• 31:31Doug DeMuro?

  Somewhere around there, 90, it was not 96, 97.

• 31:34Speaker 04

  96, yeah, yeah, 96.

• 31:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and I remember it, I was a little kid and, and I remember it was kind of a big deal.

• 31:39Speaker 04

  It was.

• 31:40Doug DeMuro?

  And that was 30 years ago.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  And it's had a, a facelift and a half since. You know what is also interesting? The starting price.

• 31:50Speaker 05

  Is $42,200. So about the price of a Mach 4.

• 31:54Doug DeMuro?

  Man, yeah, that's expensive. That's expensive. Also, it's, it's interesting because all the other vans have been fully redesigned or brand new versions have come out. Like pretty, pretty, actually some automakers have invested some real money into the vans. Um, you know, Ford's got the Transit and the Transit Connect and Fiat's got the Doblo and, and, you know, all that. And, uh.

• 32:14Speaker 04

  What, what, what does Stellantis have in the US?

• 32:17Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, it's called the Ram Promaster City. You thought I didn't know? I know everything. You think I don't know about the Renault Trafic? You think I don't know about the, the Crafter and the Viper?

• 32:28Speaker 04

  Nissan sold one. It's, it's not, it's discontinued now. What was the Nissan called?

• 32:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, interestingly, there were two vans that were completely different that shared a name. There was the NV and the NV. But the thing I liked the most about the Nissan vans, this is, this is a great one. The big one was called the NV like 3,500 or something, 2,500. The little one was called the 200. They didn't even try to be like the 1,000 and the 2,000. They were like, they were so far apart that they didn't want anybody making that, that mistake.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  What did the Chevy version of the NV 200 sold as?

• 33:01Doug DeMuro?

  City Express. You think I don't know anything? I know everything. Have you ever been in a City Express?

• 33:06Speaker 04

  Uh, no.

• 33:08Doug DeMuro?

  It's an experience. It's a Nissan, except there's a Chevy, like the airbag cover is Chevy.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  Uh, th- these have remained, I think, because they're relatively dependable. And also, everybody, all the fleets that buy them have equipment already for them. Like, if you're getting the cutaway, you can reuse a lot of that.

• 33:25Speaker 05

  Every neighborhood has a handful of these with the

• 33:28Speaker 04

  plumbers.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  Paint completely chipped off the hood and dense everywhere and like

• 33:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:32Speaker 05

  crowbar marks next to like one of the doors.

• 33:35Doug DeMuro?

  Those cars all have a paint, a hood paint issue.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:38Doug DeMuro?

  What is the deal with that?

• 33:39Speaker 05

  Buy me one with all of its paint and I'll

• 33:42Speaker 04

  They're work trucks.

• 33:43Speaker 05

  Hand you $10.

• 33:43Speaker 04

  They're work trucks.

• 33:44Doug DeMuro?

  You know, this morning.

• 33:45Speaker 05

  I'll buy you a shirt like Filippo has on, if you can find one.

• 33:47Doug DeMuro?

  This morning, here's a crazy thing for you. This morning, I saw one of these vans look just like that. It was silver.

• 33:53Speaker 04

  Wow, somebody paid up or wrapped.

• 33:55Doug DeMuro?

  Or they must have painted it. Like, there's no way that they're off.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  There are a lot of customization options.

• 34:00Speaker 05

  What's also interesting, the Econoline van, which I view as its chief competitor, Ford threw in the towel in 2014.

• 34:07Speaker 04

  The Transit exists.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  Yeah, but they

• 34:09Doug DeMuro?

  They replaced it with a much better product.

• 34:11Speaker 05

  Like for like.

• 34:11Speaker 04

  So the thing is that the Transit is a good product. And the Econoline, despite having a V10, wasn't.

• 34:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  By 2014.

• 34:19Speaker 05

  It is interesting that like these cars came out at the same time.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 34:22Speaker 05

  Chevy's just running with it and Ford was like, we need to pivot. So.

• 34:26Speaker 04

  Except that they're making key improvements, like putting in a touchscreen.

• 34:28Speaker 05

  A touchscreen, yeah.

• 34:29Doug DeMuro?

  I think my, my, my, my sense is that Ford decided to make, to, to, to globalize the whole line. So like the Transit is sold like this globally and General Motors maybe doesn't offer a van overseas in any, in any country.

• 34:45Speaker 04

  Not anymore, because they, they've sold all of their European brands just about. So I think that they're done out of that market.

• 34:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 34:51Speaker 05

  So that's kind of like the Crown Vic continued on just because they had so many fleet buyers that they were like, let's just milk it.

• 34:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is all the, I'm sure the same companies that buy year after year after year after year. It's just fine.

• 35:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and now they get a touchscreen. All right. What's our next news story?

• 35:04Speaker 04

  All right. Speaking of trucks, uh, we, there's news this week from a Reuters report that uh, there will almost certainly be a Volkswagen pickup truck built in the US.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  There'll be a truck Volkswagen in the US. You reviewed a Mexican market Volkswagen truck, but this will be more like Amoroc size, I assume, but we have no other information. It will likely be produced in Tennessee at their plant there.

• 35:32Doug DeMuro?

  Amoroc. Nick, Nick, have you ever seen an Amoroc?

• 35:36Speaker 05

  I have. It is crazy. I mean, around here, even just, I drove back from Arizona to San Diego and you go right across the border and like, I saw all sorts of cars I shouldn't have. Mexican market cars. I saw like BYDs and Chinese cars. Like you just, you see some stuff. You don't see anything like particularly exciting, but you see weird cars.

• 35:55Doug DeMuro?

  Did Jamie Raskin not succeed in banning the Chinese cars from entering the United States?

• 36:00Speaker 05

  They, they found a way through the border. I

• 36:03Doug DeMuro?

  What a shame.

• 36:04Speaker 04

  So basically, this is Volkswagen recognizing that for the US market, SUVs, larger SUVs and pickup trucks are the highest margin vehicles. And if, if, big if, you can break into that, there's money to take here on like with their ID4, et cetera.

• 36:19Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna burst your bubble here. This is gonna be based on the Atlas and it's gonna be

• 36:26Speaker 04

  It, it, there are rumors that they would probably partner with an automaker like Ford, because the Amoroc is based on the Ford Ranger, as they share a platform. So it could be a, a, just like they did with their minivan, when they had their minivan, which was called the

• 36:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the Rutan.

• 36:41Speaker 04

  Which was based on the

• 36:43Doug DeMuro?

  Grand Caravan.

• 36:44Speaker 04

  Sure. I was gonna say Town and Country because it was closer to that, but sure. Uh, they may just

• 36:47Doug DeMuro?

  No, it was not. You didn't work at Porsche in 2012. There was, there was, we didn't even have power windows in our Rutan.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  Regardless, they, they seem to think that their strategy in the US needs to be different than their global strategy. But after a few years where they tried to merge the two, uh, and so we may get a Volkswagen pickup truck.

• 37:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, um, the only pickup truck that Nick and I support is the Mercedes-Benz X-Class.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  I thought you supported the Ridgeline.

• 37:18Doug DeMuro?

  Me? The Ridgeline? No, dude, Nick, Nick and I, we do body on frame. We, we, we all, we all

• 37:25Speaker 05

  Do you think they saw the success of the Smith Yute conversions and said, we want in on that?

• 37:30Speaker 04

  It's actually gonna be based on a Jetta. They're just gonna cut off the back.

• 37:32Speaker 05

  That green one, the Audi A4 Smith Yute, $7,300.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  If, to be fair, it was in Canada and had issues.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  But it was Sonoma green VW Audi pickup, bro.

• 37:43Doug DeMuro?

  Nick?

• 37:43Speaker 04

  That's not what this would be.

• 37:44Speaker 05

  They need to make a B7 pickup. I'm in.

• 37:47Doug DeMuro?

  If you had to buy a pickup truck today, what would you get?

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Uh, Raptor, probably.

• 37:53Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, damn, not, I wouldn't even be in my top five. Filippo?

• 37:57Speaker 04

  F-150 Lightning. It's not for sale anymore, but I'd buy it.

• 37:59Speaker 05

  The EV one or the, the good one?

• 38:01Speaker 04

  The EV one, although I would also consider the hybrid.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Am I allowed to buy used? I, I, I interpreted the question as new, but

• 38:08Doug DeMuro?

  New only.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  I think, the Lightning's no longer sold. Let me think about that. Let me think about that.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  RHO, I could see you in.

• 38:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:17Doug DeMuro?

  First off, the correct answer is, number one, that Maverick High Performance.

• 38:22Speaker 04

  The Maverick logo with the SV300 T-Pak, yeah.

• 38:25Doug DeMuro?

  Boom. So that's number one. Number two is that Ram Rumble B we keep talking about.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:30Speaker 04

  True. It is number

• 38:31Speaker 05

  Can't technically buy it yet, but yeah, put, put our name on the list.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  I assume that number three for you as a big Toyota guy is a Toyota Tundra TRD Pro in Honeycomb or whatever that

• 38:41Doug DeMuro?

  No, Tacoma TRD, Tacoma Trail Hunter in that teal green color.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  Ooh, Toyota Hybrid Man indeed.

• 38:48Doug DeMuro?

  And a Ranger Raptor, which is one of my favorite trucks ever to exist.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  And I like how the current Ranger Raptor looks.

• 38:53Doug DeMuro?

  And a Volkswagen Severo.

• 38:55Speaker 04

  Hmm, not sold in the US. Uh, all right, gotta keep moving on to talking about cars.

• 39:01Doug DeMuro?

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• 39:11Speaker 04

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• 39:16Doug DeMuro?

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• 39:27Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about Monterey Car Week. Who's going? Are you going, Nick?

• 39:31Speaker 05

  I'm going. I'm leaving probably right after we film this.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  You're jumping up in what?

• 39:35Speaker 05

  And we are bringing, well, I, I've gone back and forth on the SLR or the Range Rover, but we're gonna bring the Range Rover convertible.

• 39:41Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  And we're gonna have five dudes doing our best Entourage impression at all times. So look forward and I believe, for whatever reason.

• 39:50Doug DeMuro?

  If you're in Monterey this week, look around. Nick will be driving a convertible Range Rover on HREs.

• 39:56Speaker 05

  Hell, yeah.

• 39:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's white. It's white in color and the top will probably be down permanently.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  Well, that's it.

• 40:02Doug DeMuro?

  Not because it's broken.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  No, no, but also because it's a little broken.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 40:05Speaker 04

  It's gotta be down.

• 40:07Doug DeMuro?

  This is so exciting, folks. If you see this car, shout to Nick. Wave to him, say hey, ask him about Nicky Lube, especially ask him if you can become a franchisee in your state or local market.

• 40:20Doug DeMuro?

  This is a very exciting event. Now, I have heard from various people that it looks like a lot of stuff's gonna be kind of clamped down upon this year. They've closed the 17-mile drive to people like Nick, honestly.

• 40:36Doug DeMuro?

  They've, and there's all sorts of traffic closures and someone told me that even the local big box stores have put giant fences up around their properties so that people can't come in. Nick, do you think that you will even be able to have fun this year? Or do you think they have put a war on fun?

• 40:52Speaker 05

  There's a giant fire as well, which, which

• 40:55Speaker 04

  There is a fire just a little bit south of, of Carmel.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  Big Sur is basically closed.

• 41:00Speaker 04

  The one. A lot of people this year, for the first time in forever, in a long time, the one highway along the coast was open till literally yesterday. Uh, so you could in theory go from LA to Car Week, uh, on the one. Now it is closed. Also, word of appreciation for all the firefighters.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  Agreed.

• 41:16Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you think that, uh, this is me just spitballing, but don't you think that is a bad omen for Monterey Car Week?

• 41:24Speaker 05

  It, I, I hope the air quality isn't terrible because there's a lot of old people there that, you know, I mean, maybe they turn over their collection if, if things don't go the right way, but I, I, yeah, it, it's a sensitive

• 41:36Speaker 04

  Can I just give a word of appreciation to the firefighters?

• 41:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, shout out to the firefighters and the old people.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  Very important heroic work.

• 41:43Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, are you concerned? Can, you know what I, you know what hit me about this event? That's interesting, is that every time that the local community bands together to stop a big event of whatever, the local business community retaliates in, in response is like, no, we can't lose them. We can't lose the people. We can't lose people. But in this case, this area is already so wealthy and is already a pretty strong tourist attraction that I have, this is like the problem with doing it in a rich area, right? Like they're, they're like, nobody there is hurting for money. I'm sure there are some businesses who, who appreciate having them. But like the local people are like, we're already rich. We don't want these people. Get them out.

• 42:24Doug DeMuro?

  And it seems like every year things get clamped a little more and a little more and a little more to the point where one day, there may be a no Bugattis rule.

• 42:32Speaker 04

  Whoa. What about the, the newest Bugatti, whatever that's called that just came out?

• 42:39Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe they would even ban that.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  The Miss Shaw?

• 42:41Speaker 04

  No, there's another one.

• 42:42Speaker 05

  Oh, there's a... Well, I... Look, last year was a little nuts. I mean, and people are kind of idiots, like blocking traffic to like vlog and do stupid stuff and like just no respect at all. So like it's inevitable, like it's a victim of its own success. So they have to do something. I totally get that. I think it'll still be fun to your earlier question. Like, there's just so much amazing stuff going on. Going to the auctions is really fun. I think they're trying to cut down on the car spotters, for lack of a better word, that just like are ripping around in their burble-tuned M4s and like just kind of being jerks. I don't know, we'll see. To your point, Monterey doesn't need this on the level that like Scottsdale Car Week,

• 43:26Speaker 05

  like I'm sure they would be like, "We would love that level of circus because that just brings more people and more money into it."

• 43:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, and Arizona on a daily basis is sort of like this.

• 43:34Speaker 05

  Right. I mean, that's versus like Carmel's like, "We don't even need addresses on our houses." Like, people just, they'll figure it out.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  For what it's worth, a lot of the business community, especially in the towns that aren't Carmel, really rely on this week to further their year from a business perspective. But if people want this event to continue and these events around there to continue, you have to be responsible-ish, like follow traffic laws.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  Right. You know, they're not gonna let out more tickets. When Doug and I did the car...

• 44:03Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta be honest, I went last year and I'm not going this year and I won't go next year, but I thought it was actually pretty tame. I didn't see anybody doing anything like really crazy. A lot of the local towns had taken some real steps in order to ensure that people wouldn't do crazy stuff, like Carmel shut down the Main Street. Seventeen Mile Drive was an absolute nightmare disaster, but they've tried to block it off to people before and it's impossible to do because people go in, there's a million events within Pebble Beach, and you just say you're going to one of the events and they let you in. And last, the last two years, there was no enforcement and I guess they're gonna try to enforce it this year, but like, it's not possible to really enforce it. You could have a tea time, you could have lunch, you could tell them you're having lunch, they'll just let you in.

• 44:46Speaker 04

  In theory, they will now, like the unions have like proof of a dinner reservation that one of the restaurants...

• 44:51Doug DeMuro?

  Good luck. I mean, if you make people hold up proof of their dinner reservations 20 cars deep, it ain't gonna go well.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Agreed. Agreed. But what are you excited for?

• 45:00Speaker 05

  I'm excited for the Quail to eat $1,600 worth of food and get my money's worth. So that'll be...

• 45:06Speaker 04

  And to see the Acura concept.

• 45:08Speaker 05

  And to see, yeah, the upcoming RDX hybrid concept.

• 45:11Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, can I ask you a question? Last year at this event, I spoke to you about a car.

• 45:18Speaker 05

  That is the most important story. So the SLR, the idea to pursue one came out of the Quail. I'm coming up, which means I'm coming up...

• 45:25Speaker 04

  Tell us what spurred that idea.

• 45:26Speaker 05

  I wanted to be accepted.

• 45:28Speaker 04

  Oh, and were you?

• 45:29Speaker 05

  No. But, you know, that's the story of my life. I constantly want to be accepted by others and, you know, falling a little short here and there. Maybe I need to stop buying automatic supercars and find something legit. So this year, the goal is to go on a vision quest at Quail.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 45:46Speaker 05

  I am going to come up with the next Nick car to replace the SLR and likely have the SLR come on Cars and Bids if the vision quest is successful. But I think we will have that vision.

• 46:00Doug DeMuro?

  Have you considered an Alfa Romeo 8C Competizione?

• 46:03Speaker 05

  I considered it, but you know, the one thing my E55 manual has taught me is that a manual makes every car better.

• 46:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  And I either need to swap the SLR or replace it with something that's a manual. I'm not considering any automatics.

• 46:16Doug DeMuro?

  Any manual car that Quail accepts is gonna be insane money. In fact, you should go around when you're there and you should think to yourself, "What is the cheapest manual car here?" And I bet you it will be an unbelievably expensive car.

• 46:30Speaker 05

  I will, I will, I'm gonna create two lists then. I will create that list and then I will create a spite list, which is cars that got accepted over my SLR that I don't feel like deserve to be there.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  Boy, will there be some.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  There should be some. Although Diablo is the feature mark this year and I love the Diablo. I'm still like obsessed with it and I think it'll be cool to see all of them there. Hopefully that doesn't contribute to or amplify the big surf fires, as they're known for having fueling issues. But short of any natural catastrophes, I think that'll be much better than the GT350 Shelby Mustang display last year.

• 47:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, now, wait a minute. Last year, they also did the F50 anniversary and it was incredible.

• 47:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, that was cool.

• 47:10Speaker 04

  That was pretty cool.

• 47:11Speaker 05

  You know what, F50s, you've seen one, you've seen them all. Oh, one's red, one's black. I mean, the GT one was really cool, the rest of them...

• 47:18Speaker 04

  True of most cars by that characterization.

• 47:20Speaker 05

  The F50, literally, there's none that look different. They're all the same.

• 47:24Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's your opinion. There's the US cars and the Euros...

• 47:27Speaker 05

  No, they're all red, other than like three.

• 47:29Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, there's a lot of different colors. The US cars and the Euros look different. They have totally different front ends. Me and Filippo spent hours kind of analyzing sort of the subtleties of them. And of course, there was the F50 GT and me and you chatted with the owner of the car for like 20 minutes completely by yourself and did the Countach drop off.

• 47:46Speaker 05

  That was very interesting. The people, talking to the people are interesting, but I don't know, it's about as different as the Rutan and the Town and Country. Like, I give you technically, there are differences.

• 47:55Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, anyway, that's Monterey Car Week. I know a lot of people who are in the audience are probably going. If you see Nick, you should say hi.

• 48:02Speaker 05

  The other thing that Doug, you don't know, is Sean somehow tricked, producer Sean tricked me into putting a Cars and Bids livery on the Range Rover.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 48:11Speaker 05

  I'm not getting paid for this. In fact, I'm getting inconvenienced by it.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  And then I have to go get it taken off. And I was like, "Okay, I will do this under one condition, which is I want Nicky Lube windshield banner."

• 48:21Speaker 04

  Oh, we didn't do that.

• 48:22Speaker 05

  They didn't do that.

• 48:23Speaker 04

  I'm so sorry, we forgot.

• 48:25Speaker 05

  I'm not getting anything out of this, other than I will draw more attention to myself than a ruthless, full-size Range Rover on HREs could possibly...

• 48:34Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean livery? Like, is it on the doors? What is it? Where is it?

• 48:37Speaker 04

  You'll see, and hopefully a lot of people will take photos and...

• 48:41Speaker 05

  Ryan Lopez designed the livery, then Sean said, "I hate it," and redid it all. And then Ryan sent me another one, but like, both of them were like MS Paint style, so I don't even know what it's gonna look like.

• 48:52Speaker 04

  You'll find out when it's on there as you're driving up the Five. If you see Nick driving it, post some pictures.

• 48:58Speaker 05

  And if you see me on the side of the road, it's because I either have a slow leak in the right rear tire or my convertible top ripped up more.

• 49:05Speaker 04

  Oh, jeez.

• 49:06Speaker 05

  Or something.

• 49:06Speaker 04

  Are you worried about driving up with your convertible top?

• 49:09Speaker 05

  Well, put the top down, worst-case scenario.

• 49:11Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, Nick, did you get Snoopy plates yet?

• 49:14Speaker 05

  I did order some revised plates, I did not get Snoopy's.

• 49:17Doug DeMuro?

  What a shame. Okay, anyway, the Car Week is coming. I'm not gonna be on the podcast again next week. I wasn't on the podcast last week, I'm not gonna be on the podcast next week. And the reason for that is because I, two weeks a year, I have a solemn vow where I sit and for one whole week, I take a vow of silence and I think about Filippo.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  Man.

• 49:38Doug DeMuro?

  And that's this week and it was last week also. However, these guys will be on the podcast presumably talking about their Car Week experience where they all got arrested. And Nick will tell us what car he's gonna end up with that he's very excited about, which will probably be something that I owned previously. What other...

• 49:57Speaker 04

  I do want to talk about another event, wait a second, but I can't be there unfortunately this year, but you will be there, producer Sean will be there. If you get arrested, first of all, please don't get arrested.

• 50:06Speaker 05

  I'm gonna use Morgan and Morgan.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  Second of all, if you get arrested, please do so in a way that gets a lot of positive publicity.

• 50:14Speaker 05

  I mean, the only reason...

• 50:15Speaker 04

  It's a tough feat to get arrested and get positive publicity.

• 50:18Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no. Here's what you do. Here's what you do. You get arrested and while you're being arrested, you say, "I'm an employee of Bring a Trailer. I'm, I work for Bring a..." You scream it out so that all the people videoing think that Bring a Trailer is...

• 50:32Speaker 05

  I think the delivery of the Range Rover convertible will make that a little difficult.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, good point. By the way, on Saturday, the day after this comes out, we will be at a Cars and Coffee in, I think, Seaside with the Vault Auto Group. Come say hi to Sean and others.

• 50:45Doug DeMuro?

  Producer Sean's gonna be at this Cars and Coffee.

• 50:47Speaker 04

  Producer Sean is driving his Alfa Romeo up there. And incredibly, we will be done filming today, just for behind the scenes at like, I don't know, 3, 2, something like that, right? Including Cars and Friends, which goes out on the Cars and Bits channel on Monday. He is then planning on starting the drive then, because that puts him in LA on the 405 at like 4:30, which is the prime time to, in a car with no air conditioning and that maybe has overheating issues the last time he dragged race a Previa.

• 51:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but maybe if he's lucky, he'll get spotted on the 405 by that incredible car spotter guy who's...

• 51:21Speaker 04

  Yes, do love that account.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:23Doug DeMuro?

  That's the best Instagram of any Instagram, except of course for Nicky Lube.

• 51:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:27Doug DeMuro?

  Nicky Lube.

• 51:28Speaker 04

  All right.

• 51:29Doug DeMuro?

  We do oil changes and more.

• 51:30Speaker 05

  And Saturday, I will be accepting investors at this Cars and Coffee. If you want to get in my initial coin offering of Nicky Coin.

• 51:38Speaker 04

  I do want to talk about an event that we have coming up with Willow Springs Reimagined on October 17th. If you go, we'll put a link in the description below, or if you go to thecarsandbits.com and click on the events page, you'll find out more about it. But a couple of months ago, we had our first ever kind of hybrid auction at the Velocity Invitational in the Bay. We had, I think, 17 cars up there, sold something like $4 million worth of cars, 430 Scuderia for incredible money, set a new record for a R34GTR, had a bunch of really incredible cars up there with a really strong result for them. We're doing it again at Willow Springs, racetrack just north of LA. We're excited to be there. If you have a car that you think would be a good fit, like something interesting, collectible, really cool, submit it to us through that link.

• 52:22Speaker 04

  And if you just live in the LA area or want to come, we hope to see you there.

• 52:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Willow Springs racetrack just north of LA. Didn't feel just north when I was driving out there from LA.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  It is the closest racetrack to LA is something I can say, actually.

• 53:07Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, tell us about your, Nick, you bought a Kia, I believe.

• 53:11Speaker 05

  Bought a Kia.

• 53:12Speaker 04

  Congratulations.

• 53:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:13Speaker 04

  You, you, you, Doug and I have all owned Kias.

• 53:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's right. The three of us have all had Kias and the, the three Kias that there have been that we've had have perfectly fit our personalities.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:24Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I had like the only fast and cool Kia ever. Thank you so much. Filippo had a $1 Kia that was like a bargain and like barely running.

• 53:33Speaker 04

  Delightful.

• 53:34Doug DeMuro?

  And Nick bought the Kia that indecisive people buy. Nick, tell us about your experience.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  I bought the family car because I am a family man.

• 53:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 53:42Speaker 05

  We got the Kia Sorento plug-in hybrid.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Love it. It's a good car.

• 53:46Speaker 05

  We needed three rows. We wanted ideally the ability to go EV for a short period of time. Most days we're driving like two to three miles and the Cayenne V8 literally never got up to temperature. Like it's, it's hard on the car to do that. So we wanted something EV. But we didn't want to go full EV because we drive to Arizona probably once every other month. Um, and I just don't want to deal with charging. We got it in a cool color, cityscape green. Um, it, it was, it was between this and a Volvo XC90. I was going to get the XC90 and then our group thread talked me out of it. Doug in particular said, "Oh, I wish I was rich enough to afford the depreciation on that." And it got in my head and I started doing math and he started sending me listings of four-year-old Volvos that it were worth a third of what they stickered for.

• 54:32Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 54:32Speaker 05

  And I just couldn't do it. I also got in such a big tiff with the Volvo dealer. I was trying to buy a used one and they were like.

• 54:40Speaker 04

  It wasn't the Volvo dealer.

• 54:41Speaker 05

  No, certified Benz and Beamer in Arizona. And they're like, "Oh, we're no haggle dealership." And I'm like, "Well, I'm about to haggle." And basically they stopped returning my calls.

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 54:51Speaker 05

  I, I kept giving them offers and like, like I was a little aggressive. And, and they effectively declined to pursue the conversation further, which is fine. That's their prerogative. So then the Sorento dealer was the only one that would call me back. And let's just say we're no longer on speaking terms with the Kia dealer either. They told me to watch my language and I was having a, I feel terrible. All right. I, I was having a really bad day. We were dealing with like a family emergency. And I get the car from them, brand new car. It had a scratch down the side about three feet long.

• 55:25Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 55:26Speaker 05

  It'll buff out, but like should have been disclosed. The battery was depleted. The battery didn't charge overnight. I was worried that the car was just like ruined or something. And I just, I lost it on the guy.

• 55:36Doug DeMuro?

  Oh my God, what did you say?

• 55:38Speaker 05

  I, I, again, I'm not normally this big of a jerk, but I, I said, "Oh, this whole thing has been a effing disaster." And he goes, "And this kid's like 20." He's like, "Oh, I don't care for the foul language, sir." And I go, "Give me a..." I just start dropping F bombs and then it ended with, "Go F bomb yourself."

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Have you apologized to this child?

• 55:59Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, are you kidding? You told a kid at a car dealership to go F himself? What? Are you serious?

• 56:05Speaker 05

  It's even worse because my neighbor, who's a proud NRA supporter, it's his nephew.

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 56:10Speaker 05

  And he's the one that put me in touch. So now I'm like, I can't make eye contact with my neighbor.

• 56:17Speaker 04

  That's a customer, a, a potential customer of Nicky Lube that's never come.

• 56:21Speaker 05

  All he had to do was throw in the, the, the floor mats. Would it cost him? I, I would even have settled with the sun shade.

• 56:27Speaker 04

  Have you apologized?

• 56:28Speaker 05

  I have. I apologized profusely. They said, "I appreciate the apology, but I, I don't think the apology was accepted." I, I totally made a, I was a complete jerk. I, I think between working in the car industry and working in sales, I've realized I am a monster when it comes to negotiations. And I, I reverted into a primate level of myself that I'm not proud of whatsoever. And so Tommy, I apologize once again. Uh, if you are looking for a good price on a Kia, check out Courtesy Kia in Mesa, Gilbert. Be nice to them.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  Can I ask you, have they made up for the scratch on the side?

• 57:05Speaker 05

  They, they offered for me to take it back to their dealers or detailers rather. And I, I, I was like, you know, I got a rupeza. Like I, I would rather just do it myself. It was like 40 minutes.

• 57:14Speaker 04

  It's like very minor.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:15Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:15Speaker 05

  It, it, I, I buffed it out with my, a microfiber and like old rubbing compound and got like 80% of it out. I'm like, okay, at home I can do it the right way.

• 57:24Speaker 04

  Well, congratulations on the Kia. Was your wife and children, were your wife and children there for these?

• 57:28Speaker 05

  No, that, that, my wife was equally appalled by my behavior. I, I, I, I don't know what happened.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Everybody has tough weeks.

• 57:36Speaker 05

  You know, the air conditioning went out. It was 115 degrees in Phoenix. It was a bad week.

• 57:41Speaker 04

  Everybody has tough weeks. For example, two weeks a year, Doug doesn't talk to me and that's sad.

• 57:44Speaker 05

  That's true.

• 57:45Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean? The years where I take my vows, the weeks where I take my vow of silence to think about you?

• 57:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:50Doug DeMuro?

  Those weeks, excuse me. Excuse me.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  They're tough weeks.

• 57:54Doug DeMuro?

  I end up a better person from it and so do you. Wow. Well, that sounds like quite an interesting experience. Nick, you, you wrote in, you wrote in our little pod, uh, Google doc, uh, that we keep that it was the purchase experience from hell. It sounds like you were the problem.

• 58:09Speaker 05

  You know what? It's, it's sort of like, uh, causation and correlation, you know, like it's, it's a little hard to tell which direction started it and finished it, but I definitely took it too far. I mean, there were, some mistakes were made, but I think my reaction to the mistakes were, were maybe not congruent with that. And, and like, I also like every car dealer would be like, "I'm losing money on this deal." And I just have no patience for that. And so I also just like, I escalated rapidly because I think I was treated like a normal Kia dealer and a suburban, like I got the experience of an average buyer of a suburban Kia dealer. Versus I'm like, no, I, I know how the car industry works and like some of these lines are not resonating with me in a way.

• 58:53Doug DeMuro?

  From someone who sold cars and the car salesman in this, in our, um,

• 58:57Speaker 05

  I, I, I didn't sell any Saturn.

• 58:59Speaker 04

  And you were at a no haggle dealership, no less.

• 59:02Doug DeMuro?

  From some, you know, but also I worked in the, in the, in sales operations at a car company. I'll tell you something. Everyone who comes in knows the car. My uncle was in the car business, so I know. Yeah, no, you don't understand. My cousin's sister, he runs a Toyota dealership down in Texas. So I know how it all, I know all the games. Okay? Everyone says that.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  I, I will say, I've never bought a new car. I've, the last two cars that I, three cars I bought were either at, through Cars and Bids or through a great guy named Luke, uh, different experience. But it's everybody that buys a new car seems to have like a four hours of paperwork.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  It was, I was waiting. That, that's what pushed me over the edge. It was four hour. I said, at 10 o'clock, I go, "Okay, I'm coming in at 10:30. Will you be ready and have all the work?" Yep. Coming in at 10:30. It was like 2:30. And then it was four, four minutes of signatures and I was out. And like, that's what made my head explode. And then I got home.

• 59:53Speaker 04

  Four hours of waiting for.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Found the scratches and all that. But again, it was like no one's fault. This is just how dealerships work. I'm used to Cars and Bids. I'm going to shill a 10th of as hard as you just did for that velocity thing, but it.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  Willow Springs.

• 1:00:05Speaker 05

  Willow Springs. Um, it, it, buying private party is so much easier than buying through a dealer. It's crazy.

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  Or, or just in general at auction where the price is determined and you've.

• 1:00:15Speaker 05

  You also know you're paying market price.

• 1:00:17Speaker 04

  Fundamentally the negotiation, right? Like you've agreed on a price when you, even if you're buying from a dealer on Cars and Bids, you've agreed on a price. That's all set.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  My, my rant at the, the certified Benz and Beamer, they were like, "We're no haggle because we just price in accordance with the market." And I was like, "You've had this car since February and done nine market adjustments." "I don't think you have a good understanding of what the market value of this is." And if it were priced at the market clearing price, it would have sold by now. So like respectfully, you're still too high. Here is my offer. And then they chose not to call me back.

• 1:00:49Doug DeMuro?

  I have had, I've been in and out of dealers pretty quick sometimes. I think it's important.

• 1:00:53Speaker 05

  Pay the asking price.

• 1:00:55Speaker 04

  New car is harder than used car.

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  That is no fun. All right. Filippo negotiates all the way back to the asking price. And I get kicked out of the dealership for being a total jerk. So we're not all the same.

• 1:01:05Doug DeMuro?

  I bought a Kia Stinger from my swimming pool and, and, and it was incredible.

• 1:01:10Speaker 05

  They've been sitting on that for three years. They would have given that away had you asked nicely.

• 1:01:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but like it's, I think if you set an expectation and just be like, "Look, this is what I'm doing." And, and you know, I, I think.

• 1:01:20Speaker 05

  You got a good deal, right? I, I got a good deal. I don't know. I think. I, I, it would have been better if those floor mats or even the sun shade were involved. They also had a Sorento t-shirt. Do you know how much a Kia Polo is from the dealership?

• 1:01:31Speaker 04

  $70.

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  130.

• 1:01:33Doug DeMuro?

  Whoa.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  It's Travis Mayhew, which is like some fancy golf brand, but who's driving 130 on a Kia Polo?

• 1:01:39Doug DeMuro?

  You didn't get this, wait, wait. You didn't get the Sorento t-shirt?

• 1:01:41Speaker 05

  No. And one of the other sales reps had one time he threw in a popcorn machine and my wife is still like, kind of like, "Where's our popcorn machine?" You know, like, I wanted a deal, all right?

• 1:01:52Speaker 04

  Why advertise that if you're the salesperson? Then you gotta go source another popcorn.

• 1:01:55Speaker 05

  It did get into our head. We were like, "Oh, it's about worth 800 bucks."

• 1:01:58Doug DeMuro?

  So this was a tough day. So you've gone, just to clarify, you've, you're getting rid of your family car, which is currently a Porsche, a Cayenne, and you're moving to a Kia, uh.

• 1:02:06Speaker 04

  And he's getting better tech and probably better materials.

• 1:02:09Speaker 05

  It actually, the, the whole like adaptive cruise, self-driving, safety features. It's actually really nice and sad. Like I am, that's the other thing is I look at the Volvo and I'm like, 25 grand more and like it is incrementally and marginally nicer in certain areas. But when you have two small kids that you know are going to trash the car and the depreciation you're going to hit, like a 10-year, 100,000 mile warranty, a car that checks all the boxes. I just couldn't justify spending the extra money. Even me who likes to waste money on cars had a tough time swallowing that pill.

• 1:02:40Doug DeMuro?

  Do you have a tough time swallowing the fact that? Instead of a Porsche in your garage next to your multi hundreds thousands of dollars cars, you're gonna now have a Kia. And so people are gonna come over and say, oh, wow, you have a Lamborghini or a Mercedes SLR and you make your wife drive a Kia. That's what people are going to say. Are you ready for that?

• 1:03:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's the newest car that we have by like 15 years.

• 1:03:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's reasonable. I'm here for that. Nick, I'm proud of you. I think you did well. I have a friend who has a Sorento plug-in hybrid and I referred Nick to this person. Did you reach out to this person to conversate with them?

• 1:03:16Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:03:17Doug DeMuro?

  You didn't?

• 1:03:18Speaker 05

  But I appreciate the offer.

• 1:03:20Doug DeMuro?

  At that point, what do you mean? You got you got her number from me specifically?

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  I know, but my my wife had all these questions such as like, how does the heat work? And like, will it get warm enough in the morning in the preheat cycle? Between Reddit, Sorento, subreddits?

• 1:03:35Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, you should see the conversation I had with Nick. I said, hey, by the way, I have someone, a friend of mine who owns one of these. If you want to talk to her. He was like, that would be really helpful. We have a lot of questions and I really want to talk to her. I'm dead. This is like exactly what he said. And so I was like, okay, fine. So I sent her a message like, hey, I got this friend who's gonna reach out. And can I give him your number? She was like, yeah. And so I did it. Nick was like, thank you so much. We are reaching out. And apparently, apparently, that was as far as it got.

• 1:03:59Speaker 05

  We figured it out. There's not a lot to figure out about it. It's it's figure out.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Except for that touch screen.

• 1:04:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, I want to move on to the the market report because there's actually a lot of markets to report. And the market report, of course, is brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest place on the internet to sell cars or buy cars. And if you do any selling or buying of cars anywhere but the market report, I mean, of Cars and Bids, then you're making a mistake. Filippo, do you agree with me on that?

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  So much agreement. Yeah.

• 1:04:23Speaker 05

  I got some I got some trade-in offers on on this Cayenne when I was shopping for this. And I said, nope, saving it for Cars and Bids. They go, they go, what's that?

• 1:04:32Speaker 04

  Then they understand.

• 1:04:33Speaker 05

  What's a what's a Cars and who?

• 1:04:36Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about the fact, Filippo, what I'm gonna I'm gonna let you you, the viewer, in on a little secret about this segment. Whenever we do this segment, all Filippo wants to do is talk about a big sale we just had because he likes to hype up the Cars and Bids, right? And so so if like we sold like, you know, 87 interesting cars and one half million dollar car, we gotta talk about that.

• 1:04:57Speaker 04

  I want to talk about a car that's only $110,000.

• 1:04:59Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about the the cars are getting cheaper. Can you pull up the Lexus SC? Nick, Nick, you're gonna be blown away by some of the cheapness I'm gonna tell you about today. The Lexus SC 430 we just sold, click on it for seven grand. Nick, you can't tell me you're gonna buy a better car for 7,000 United States dollars than this car.

• 1:05:20Speaker 05

  Give me time and I can come up with an alternative. But I agree, that is, it's a Lexus.

• 1:05:24Doug DeMuro?

  That is a smooth. By the way, that is nowhere near the cheapest one we've sold. Now, we've also sold some of these for crazy money because the low mileage ones sell for crazy money. But that car is like the sixth cheapest of those that we've sold.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  The the one was only $4,900 with 184,000.

• 1:05:39Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you're not interested for seven grand in picking up an SC 430?

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. The amount of money, I've already depreciated my Kia. I could have probably bought one of these.

• 1:05:47Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly right. And in fact, if you type in 924, Filippo, you will find that last week we sold a 924. Which is, I'm not trying to knock the 924, but it's it's sort of on the lesser scale of Porsches. We sold a 924 for more money than this SC 430 with a big old V8 and a sumptuous interior and bird's eye maple.

• 1:06:10Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, I can't believe that one for 8,500. I remember when these were like Lemons cars, like 500 was like a starting offer on one of these.

• 1:06:17Doug DeMuro?

  SC 430s are cheap. On that topic, take a look at the Panamera Sport Turismo. Did you see this sale, Filippo?

• 1:06:24Speaker 04

  Of course. You think I don't watch the Panamera Sport Turismo market?

• 1:06:27Speaker 05

  This is what the Ford execs were watching.

• 1:06:31Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, you see this sale?

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  43,000.

• 1:06:34Doug DeMuro?

  The most recent one, the most recent one.

• 1:06:35Speaker 04

  The last two were both pretty much identical sale.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  43, yeah.

• 1:06:39Doug DeMuro?

  43,000 United States dollars.

• 1:06:42Speaker 05

  I think a lot of people suggested this as a daily for Canon.

• 1:06:45Doug DeMuro?

  This is a pretty damn reasonable amount of money. When the average new car is 52, when Nick just dropped 56 for a Sorento plug-in hybrid, this car is 43,000 dollars.

• 1:06:56Speaker 05

  This is almost exactly what I paid for the Kia, 43.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  You could have had a could have had a non-three-row, non-plug-in hybrid. Congratulations.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know if that would have checked all over.

• 1:07:04Speaker 04

  What is interesting is that obviously these as a starting point, I don't know if we have a window sticker here, but the MSRP was quite strong.

• 1:07:11Doug DeMuro?

  Probably 140,000.

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  $130,000, $132,000 car. 78,000 miles, appreciates. But if you really want a deal, you get a non-Sport Turismo Panamera, because that's what, 2530?

• 1:07:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, maybe, I mean.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  Or a Cayenne, which is the same, which is 2530.

• 1:07:29Doug DeMuro?

  I can I think about total cost of ownership, and I think that the Panamera, that the wagons are gonna depreciate less. So I think in the time you own it, it'll cost you the same. And you'd rather have the wagon. But still, $43,000.

• 1:07:39Speaker 05

  Appealing.

• 1:07:39Doug DeMuro?

  That's a pretty, this is $135,000 car. It's a nice car. It's a modern car. They are still selling it as a brand new car, essentially, like near as makes no difference. Like this 43, I remember when cars had gotten so expensive and everything was so expensive, everyone was complaining about everything getting so expensive. And now we are in a heyday of cars being affordable. Did you see the Benteke no sale?

• 1:08:00Speaker 05

  I did.

• 1:08:01Doug DeMuro?

  Pull this up.

• 1:08:02Speaker 05

  I'm still waiting for this to get a little bit cheaper, but man, are they tempting. I'm like.

• 1:08:06Doug DeMuro?

  Did you see this, Nick?

• 1:08:07Speaker 05

  Oh, 44, wow.

• 1:08:08Doug DeMuro?

  44, that's a 12-cylinder, Nick. Now, it didn't transact, but the reserve was not dramatically higher than that.

• 1:08:14Speaker 04

  No, and this is what they're increasingly worth.

• 1:08:18Doug DeMuro?

  That's a that's a great number. That car still looks cool. It drives so well. Like, things are cheap, Nick. You can go buy things cheap.

• 1:08:27Speaker 04

  The takeaway is that cars still depreciate. Like, I think often about my station wagon, which is an S212. But an S213, which is your gen, here's one that we sold for 25 grand.

• 1:08:37Doug DeMuro?

  What year is it?

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  This is a 2018, so early, and the non-mild hybrid that you have.

• 1:08:43Doug DeMuro?

  I have an S213 dot two. We don't associate with the dot one.

• 1:08:48Speaker 04

  But this, based on that emblem, has Dystronic, has it has a DAFRA Cruise, has Laneke based on the sensors. This is a well-spec, well-equipped car. For, to be fair, like, I've owned my car for five years and I bought it for about that. Like, cars depreciate. The cars that were new a couple of years ago that we all think are still new.

• 1:09:07Speaker 05

  Very profound. Cars depreciate. This and more interesting facts only from Cars and Bids.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Can I talk about a car that didn't depreciate that I think is really interesting?

• 1:09:15Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, I want to do one. Yeah, you can. Fine.

• 1:09:17Speaker 04

  Thank you. This Chevy GT350R, 1,000 miles, one owner, unmodified, 60 minutes. This is the car you want if you're into this, right? Sold for 117.

• 1:09:29Doug DeMuro?

  I would probably want one with miles, Nick.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  Well, sorry, sorry. If you want the nicest one.

• 1:09:34Speaker 05

  I think, Doug, you just predicted this. Filippo will pull up an outstanding result.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  Here's why it's notable. So usually you think that cars depreciate, especially if there's replacements. And like, there is still a Mustang you can buy, the Mustang Dark Horse, which is a highly performing car you can buy, and the Dark Horse SC for the supercharged NGD. This car had a $78,000 MSRP. And now, just six years later, it's worth.

• 1:09:58Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, that's wild. That is wild.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  That's, this is a regular Mustang. This is not that hard to get. It's a special Mustang. Sorry. But it's it's not like it's like a supercar. It's not a luxury brand. It is a Mustang that you could at the time have gone out and bought. And for the entire duration, you bought it at MSRP. And now they're 50% above MSRP. That's kind of wild. All right, what was your last thing I want to talk about?

• 1:10:25Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's that's that's pretty cool. I agree. So so that actually dovetails perfectly with the point I was gonna make, which is a lot of cars are cheap. Some cars are expensive. That's one of them. Can you pull up the Evo 5 we just sold?

• 1:10:39Speaker 05

  I like this one.

• 1:10:41Doug DeMuro?

  I I have started looking for an Evo to replace my Supra. I've had my Supra for three months now. I've had my Supra for three months now. I love it. It's been an amazing experience for so far. But I think I'm gonna replace it with an Evo after a year. And.

• 1:11:00Speaker 05

  Does the three months you've owned it and never driven it count towards that year? Like, do you have nine months left with that?

• 1:11:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I I've seen pictures and it looks great.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  It's really nice over there.

• 1:11:12Doug DeMuro?

  So but but what the reason I'm I'm started to follow the Evo market is because it has hit me that.

• 1:11:19Doug DeMuro?

  If I'm serious about getting an Evo and I only want an eight or a nine, you have to kind of buy one when it comes up because what I want, which is an unmodified bright color one, never comes up. And in fact, I'm not entirely certain that even the next year, while I'm looking for one, I will even find one during that time period. If you go on our site and bring the trailer, neither of us have sold the Evo that I'm looking for.

• 1:11:43Speaker 04

  We have a nine MR that's unmodified.

• 1:11:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I only want a bright color and I don't want MR. But anyway, the point I was gonna make is, Evos, well, I want my kids to like be able to roll down the windows. The point is, the point I was gonna make is, Evos are big money right now.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  Do you think that your children don't have arms?

• 1:12:01Doug DeMuro?

  No arms.

• 1:12:02Speaker 04

  No arms?

• 1:12:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:04Speaker 04

  That's tough.

• 1:12:04Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, Evos are big money. That five that just sold, if you look at comparable WRX STIs from the same time period, they're selling for $14,000. The market for some reason has really coalesced around Evo five through nine. And Evo nine MRs are selling for six figures pretty regularly. That one that we have listed is gonna bring a ton of money. Good Evos are hard to find. They are rarer than the Subarus and they have gotten big, big money. Five, six, seven, eight, and nines have gotten big, big money. And Nick and I are ready to spend it.

• 1:12:41Speaker 04

  Are you?

• 1:12:42Speaker 05

  Well, we'll see how the ICO of Nicky Lube coin goes. But I would definitely buy one. I mean,

• 1:12:48Doug DeMuro?

  But I am surprised, like even fives and sixes, like they are selling for a lot, a lot more than they had been. Like the Evo market is very much on the upswing. If you have a nice one, if you have a clapped out one, that well, then that's the reason why so many of them are rough. Or that's the reason why so many of the expensive ones, why so many, so few of the cars have become expensive because so many are clapped out.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:09Doug DeMuro?

  Are you gonna tell us about our 911ST, Filippo?

• 1:13:11Speaker 04

  Nah.

• 1:13:12Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, he doesn't. Now that I called him out for only talking about,

• 1:13:15Speaker 05

  I see like, I see a vein popping out of his forehead.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  We sold a 911ST for just shy of $600,000 earlier this week. It's notable, there hasn't been a public ST result in a while and they've all had, been the, whatever the special color scheme heritage, I don't remember. And no miles. This one had 6,000 miles, which is a lot by two-year-old 911ST standards. Still very much retaining value, 200 something grand above MRP. They're the coolest car.

• 1:13:41Speaker 05

  If you guys sell more STs, I see a future in which your t-shirts with pockets have real pockets in them.

• 1:13:47Doug DeMuro?

  Whoa.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  I don't know that I can afford that.

• 1:13:48Speaker 05

  Not decorative.

• 1:13:49Doug DeMuro?

  But that's what he's saying. If we sell more STs, you can afford the heck out of it.

• 1:13:54Speaker 04

  The ST is such a cool car.

• 1:13:56Doug DeMuro?

  We have to, unless there's more. Nick, do you have anything?

• 1:13:59Speaker 05

  That's it.

• 1:14:00Doug DeMuro?

  We gotta move on to questions. The questions are brought to you by Cars and Bids, which is the finest automotive auction platform. From Clean Jalopy, last week Filippo brought up the Cayenne Turbo. Should it bothered me as much as it does that Porsche uses the Turbo name on their EV models? It feels inauthentic and fake and I don't like it. Do badges even mean anything anymore? I still don't understand all the complaints about this. The Toyota Highlander has never been to the Highlands. Every, almost every badge on a car is aspirational. Almost every badge is aspirational.

• 1:14:37Speaker 04

  We have definitely gotten away from that name.

• 1:14:39Speaker 05

  There's a difference between aspirational and inaccurate, right? Like, it's claiming a future it does not have. That is different than just saying, oh, we aspire to be rugged.

• 1:14:48Doug DeMuro?

  Like, Well, wait a minute. Now, wait a minute. I think that Highlander is making the point that we can go off-road, is it not?

• 1:14:54Speaker 05

  It can, maybe not the craziest obstacles in the world, but like, throw it through a little light terrain, which is more than most G-Wagon owners do. It's different, it is different than saying I have a turbocharger. That is a factual yes or no statement.

• 1:15:07Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't say that. It doesn't say that. Wait a minute.

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  It certainly, hold on, I'm gonna get infer versus imply correctly for you here. It is strongly implying and a buyer would reasonably infer that the car is turbocharged based on the fact that it says Turbo across the back in all big letters.

• 1:15:26Doug DeMuro?

  I, but people have been using Turbo colloquially in language my whole life. Oh my God, come on. You still hear people say I'm gonna turbocharge this.

• 1:15:36Speaker 05

  Name me another car that claims to be a Turbo and has a Turbo badge on it and is not turbocharged. Name another.

• 1:15:41Doug DeMuro?

  When you're on Zoom calls, I guarantee you say, I'll turbocharge this whatever and then we'll circle back on Thursday.

• 1:15:47Speaker 05

  Corporate jargon does not count. No. Filippo probably wants to supercharge your meeting notes, then circle back on that.

• 1:15:54Doug DeMuro?

  Here's one for you since you're a, you're a stickler for accuracy all of a sudden.

• 1:15:58Speaker 05

  Oh yeah, my precise language.

• 1:16:00Doug DeMuro?

  The Chevy Corvette Coupe. Corvette Coupe. That's a cool car, isn't it? Only one problem, it's not a coupe, is it?

• 1:16:11Speaker 05

  Except for the fifth one. Does it have a coupe badge on it?

• 1:16:14Doug DeMuro?

  Wait, wait. Why don't you come out swinging for that, Nick? Where's the, where's the fight?

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  I'm just siding with the person asking the questions. You know, I'm not, I'm not making any accusations. I'm just asking questions. And I think it is fair to push back on saying Turbo if it is not a Turbo.

• 1:16:31Speaker 04

  For a long time, badges were generally consistent with something, right? Like Mercedes does this too and BMW does this, right? Like the numbers meant the displacement.

• 1:16:41Speaker 05

  We don't put compressor badges on non-compressor cars, you know what I mean?

• 1:16:44Speaker 04

  And like BMW is the second two numbers meant something about the displacement. But it's been like 25 years of that not being true, 20 years at least of that not being true. And so I can see how you get there, especially when every 911 is turbocharged, basically, except for the GT cars. Is it a distinction anymore to have that a Turbo be Turbo?

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  Turbo is a Turbo. There's no, we can't debate on what a Turbo is.

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  It fundamentally became a different meaning.

• 1:17:11Speaker 05

  It looks like a snail and it blows air into things.

• 1:17:13Speaker 04

  It started as an actual differentiator and then became a marketing term.

• 1:17:18Speaker 05

  Look, we can debate on is that a pocket or not. It doesn't open or close, but it looks like a pocket.

• 1:17:22Speaker 04

  I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not disagreeing with you. Just at some point it became a marketing term, not an engineering term.

• 1:17:27Doug DeMuro?

  Like VR6.

• 1:17:29Speaker 04

  No, no, no. To be clear, I'm also.

• 1:17:31Speaker 05

  I don't think it was a marketing term though until Porsche made it one. Everyone agreed what a Turbo was.

• 1:17:35Speaker 04

  When Mercedes went from saying the actual displacement to 300 and then 400 and then,

• 1:17:39Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with that.

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  These are all, these are all marketing decisions, not.

• 1:17:42Speaker 05

  You guys are insane, insane.

• 1:17:44Speaker 04

  I'm not saying it's right, but I think it's real life.

• 1:17:47Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's point is reasonable. The automakers used every, one of those numbers meant the displacement. And then they started putting hundreds because they wanted it to end in hundreds and sound better. And they had, they started doing that.

• 1:17:59Speaker 05

  What, next you guys are gonna tell me that the Scat Pack isn't named after actual scat? Where do we draw the line? Thanks for transitioning us off that question so quickly.

• 1:18:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, let's move on to, let's move on to our next question. The next question is of course from Daniel Johnson. I actually really like this question. Dear Doug and friends, I fear that living in San Diego is slowly turning all of you into Ryan Lopez. I fear that also. It's ironic because Ryan Lopez only arrived in San Diego six months ago. He, Ryan Lopez, believe it or not, is from Alabama.

• 1:18:31Speaker 04

  But now all of his Instagram stories are of a surfboard on top of his Model 3.

• 1:18:35Speaker 05

  He did start surfing.

• 1:18:35Doug DeMuro?

  Is that right?

• 1:18:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Doug DeMuro?

  Is he even surfing or is he just screwing around?

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  At least once. We don't know. I have not verified that he's gone surfing around the water, but he's got a surfboard.

• 1:18:44Doug DeMuro?

  Right. So anyway, Ryan Lopez is actually from Alabama. He's from, he's from Madison County there in Alabama and where Huntsville is. And, and of course, we love Ryan Lopez dearly, but he's not a Californian, but he looks like one.

• 1:19:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Doug DeMuro?

  And so the question says, would, do you think your lifestyle has influenced your, your taste? Would the enthusiast's cars you own be different if you still live in your hometowns? And I wasn't gonna, I wasn't gonna use this question, but then I remembered Nick's on this week. And Nick is from outside of some town, Akron or something, in Ohio.

• 1:19:22Speaker 04

  I call it coastal Ohio.

• 1:19:24Speaker 05

  Don't you pretend like you don't know Sandusky.

• 1:19:26Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's, yeah.

• 1:19:27Speaker 05

  Sandtown represent, come on.

• 1:19:29Doug DeMuro?

  What large city is near Sandusky? I don't remember. What's it? Toledo? What is?

• 1:19:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, Toledo. It's 419 area code.

• 1:19:35Doug DeMuro?

  419, baby. So anyway, Nick, Nick, Nick, what would you, if you were still living there in Toledo, what would you be interested in?

• 1:19:44Speaker 05

  I would probably have more domestic cars.

• 1:19:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:47Speaker 05

  I don't think the, I think a Terme Cobra. Maybe the purple and yellow Indy car Corvette C5.

• 1:19:55Speaker 05

  I think, I think you gotta like flex tastefully there with like, like I definitely an SVT Lightning and not the trash one you like, but the real one with the V8 in it. Actually, that Lobo Maverick thing, if I had to get new.

• 1:20:09Doug DeMuro?

  So you're really, you're really, you're gonna be a Ford guy through and through.

• 1:20:13Speaker 04

  Apparently is what we're learning.

• 1:20:14Speaker 05

  Maybe, maybe now that it has a touchscreen, the Chevy Express van for my family vehicle.

• 1:20:18Doug DeMuro?

  Don't they manufacture?

• 1:20:20Speaker 05

  I have a lot more kids.

• 1:20:21Doug DeMuro?

  Don't they manufacture Jeeps there in your, in your home?

• 1:20:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, that is what we, the Liberty was proudly made in Toledo, Ohio.

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  That's right. Can I answer this with some level of seriousness? I, of all, of all the groups.

• 1:20:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, wait, wait, wait. I think Nick's answering with seriousness. I think probably.

• 1:20:35Speaker 05

  Honestly, I'm kinda wondering as I'm saying it, why I don't have these cars anyways.

• 1:20:39Speaker 04

  Fucking hybrids.

• 1:20:40Speaker 05

  We try, I tried to trade my father-in-law for a C5 again, and he's just not budging. But it's like, all right, dude, you're 83, like clock's ticking here.

• 1:20:48Speaker 04

  Which is the Ohio.

• 1:20:49Speaker 05

  And his AC's not broken, and I refuse to help him. All it needs is an AC belt, and I'm like, ah, sorry, it's too hot.

• 1:20:55Speaker 04

  You gotta sell it to me.

• 1:20:56Speaker 05

  It's too hot.

• 1:20:57Speaker 04

  Gotta give it to me.

• 1:20:58Speaker 05

  I'll, I'll trade you a 2014 Cayenne GTS if you want.

• 1:21:01Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, Filippo grew up in Madison, Wisconsin, which is a, um, which is a, uh, a, a thinking man's town. Filippo, what, what would you be driving?

• 1:21:10Speaker 05

  I've only been there for Halloween, and I, I beg to differ.

• 1:21:13Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 1:21:14Speaker 05

  So true.

• 1:21:15Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, because you were in the northwest.

• 1:21:17Speaker 04

  It's a crazy place.

• 1:21:18Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yeah, no, there were like riots for Halloween. It was nuts. I was a freshman, and I was scared. I wanted to go home.

• 1:21:25Speaker 04

  On, on State Street downtown. I moved to San Diego four years ago from North Carolina, uh, from like the Research Triangle area. Uh, I a hundred percent had been influenced, so you get a couple of benefits. One is that you can own anything. There's no rain, there's no snow, you don't have to worry about rust, you don't, you didn't really in North Carolina either, but you don't have to worry about any of the things that you do in the Midwest, which means cars just stay in good condition. And like, you're in like the ideal situation. You don't have to worry about, does the heat go? You don't have to worry, is there AC really? You don't have to worry about any of that, which matters. And also, you end up being around cars in a way that like, I lived in Durham, North Carolina. Nobody had a nice car, really. I remember distinctly that somebody down the street had a V70R, and that was the coolest car in the neighborhood by far.

• 1:22:09Speaker 04

  And here, you go around, and like, obviously, our community specifically has a lot of cool cars. You guys do, our other friends, Cars and Bits has led to that, but like, there's a lot more sports cars, supercars, a lot more money in cars. And so I think if I still lived somewhere that wasn't Southern California, would I ever have paid real money for a sports car? I don't know, because I wouldn't have those influences, I wouldn't have the people kinda supporting that decision and egging you on in the same way.

• 1:22:35Doug DeMuro?

  I remember when I first came to San Diego in 2018, I came here in June of 2018, and I'd actually been really conservative on the cars that I owned before that. I had bought, I had owned some, some sports cars and stuff for, for my YouTube channel, but personally, I was still driving that 06 Range Rover basically until I moved here. I had gotten to the point where I kinda had the crappiest car of any of my friends. Like, it was, it was 12 years old, it is 125,000 miles, things were falling apart.

• 1:23:00Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:23:01Doug DeMuro?

  It was a Range Rover, but you know, kinda like Nick's, Nick's cars, it was, it was a, a shadow of its, of its former self. Uh, and, um, but I remember getting to California in 18, and yeah, there were so many sports cars around, and I was like, I'm getting sucked in. And within 90 days of moving to California, I had my Ford GT.

• 1:23:19Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:23:20Doug DeMuro?

  And I truly, truly, truly, truly believe that I would not have done that if I was somewhere else.

• 1:23:25Speaker 04

  Other places have car communities, and you do kind of feed into that, but then you, you also are feeding into what they're into, and it's often a little bit different.

• 1:23:33Speaker 05

  There's also, it goes both ways, but having access to specialist mechanics.

• 1:23:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:23:39Speaker 05

  Like, there are, if I lived in Ohio, actually, I would get a Diablo, because I could send it to George Evans so easily.

• 1:23:45Doug DeMuro?

  I do think, I do think that's a, that's a point that is interesting to think about. You don't have to do winter tires, you don't have to do snow, you don't have to do cold, those, that's a big one. And having access to, there's someone in California who can fix basically anything on the West Coast, or at least close by, like in LA or maybe the Bay, but like, it's, it's close enough, um, that you don't feel like, like you can't do something. But I remember when I lived in Atlanta and in Philly, I would make some decisions based on, can I get, can I find somebody? Is there somebody good to service this?

• 1:24:12Speaker 05

  Especially Newport Beach. There is a cottage industry of people that worked at either Ferrari Newport Beach or Lamborghini Newport Beach, and then after a few years, they quit and opened their own shop, and then basically their whole value prop is, I worked on the Mercy when it was new. If you're maintaining a Mercy, I will do it for you, or insert car X, Y, and Z. Like, it's insane, and that really enables you to take care of difficult cars.

• 1:24:33Doug DeMuro?

  I grew up in Colorado, and back where I, when I grew up in Colorado, there were not for, there were, Cherry Hills in New Jersey.

• 1:24:40Speaker 05

  Cherry Blossom Hill? What was it?

• 1:24:43Doug DeMuro?

  When I, when I grew up, there were not cars like that in Colorado. When, when I was a kid, there was no Lamborghini dealership in Colorado, there was no Rolls-Royce dealership in Colorado. The Aston Martin dealer was also a Volvo dealer, and they shared a building.

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  Shout out to Ford.

• 1:24:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we, we, uh, we didn't see, we didn't see cool cars, but I, I still got into the supercars, like the ones that were starting to get around in Colorado in that era. Anybody who lived in Denver will tell you that like, the mid 2000s is when Denver really started to kinda blow up on the national scene. And I, I still remember the first Ford GTI I ever saw, to this day, I remember exactly where I saw it. And, um, you know, I, I was getting into those cars. I wouldn't be surprised if I lived in Denver, if I did have something really special, um, but maybe not quite the level of cars that I have at this point.

• 1:25:27Speaker 05

  And some of it is a factor of age, like we're all just at that age, we're having a extra vehicle or two.

• 1:25:33Speaker 04

  Doable and financially.

• 1:25:34Speaker 05

  You know, you know how I'm influenced by SoCal and Ryan Lopez in particular? I've now started calling my wife a total smoke show. That's his line. Hey Nick, check out the smoke show.

• 1:25:45Speaker 00

  Flowing ad budget on metrics that look great, till the CFO sees them? That's bullspend, and marketers are calling it out in Dashboard Confessions.

• 1:25:55Speaker 01

  I remember telling my boss, it'll be good for the brand, when leads were slow. Yeah, it, it wasn't.

• 1:26:02Speaker 00

  Cut the bullspend. LinkedIn lets you target by company, job title, and more. Advertise on LinkedIn. Spend $250 on your first campaign and get a $250 credit. Go to LinkedIn.com/campaign. Terms and conditions apply.

• 1:26:18Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Just Josh on you. Dear Doug, are you buying cars again so that Nick will have less options of cars to buy without following in your footsteps?

• 1:26:25Speaker 05

  It feels like it.

• 1:26:27Doug DeMuro?

  In a way, although most of the cars I have bought recently have been cars I already previously owned, so I don't know what's going on there.

• 1:26:34Speaker 05

  I wanted to buy a Mark IV Supra, you ruined that, you took that from me. I was gonna buy Heritage.

• 1:26:39Doug DeMuro?

  Total dip. What, Nick? Did I ruin that too?

• 1:26:43Speaker 05

  You kinda did. You ruined that as well as the market.

• 1:26:47Doug DeMuro?

  Uh.

• 1:26:48Speaker 05

  The market manipulation, I'm sorry, the manipulation.

• 1:26:53Doug DeMuro?

  Next question, uh, there's, there's three or four more really good ones. From the Auto Curation. Dear Doug, did you think there was any chance in the back of your mind that you'd get contacted in talks for the next Grand Tour cast after the original Trio left? Filippo, can you take that one?

• 1:27:05Speaker 04

  Well, so Doug's, as Hoovy has pointed out, says no to things, and once you get a reputation for saying no to things, they don't ask you anymore.

• 1:27:13Doug DeMuro?

  There's enough people in our industry who know that I would never have done that in a million years. From New, same, same question from Noobmaster69. Dear Doug, you've said before you'd never traveled to Europe, just drove you a car. What car or collection of cars would actually convince you? Filippo, I'll let you take this one as well.

• 1:27:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, so no is gonna be the answer to that one, too. Can we go back to the Grand Tour for a second? Because there has been a trade, there's like a little bit more of an extended teaser of the Grand Tour.

• 1:27:38Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 1:27:39Speaker 04

  It's a tiny bit longer. I'm really excited for it. We love the Throttlehouse guys, James and Thomas, uh, and I'm very excited to see what comes out of that, from that little brief, brief clip. All right, sorry, continue.

• 1:27:49Doug DeMuro?

  There are two more actually good questions, and this is an interesting question. It's asked to me, but I, I think, it's, it's more of a group question. From BladeDance23. Hey Doug, seeing as you're comfortable driving your kids around on expensive cars, even cutting the leather in a 993 to fit child seats, what car price point would you no longer be comfortable strapping kids in the back? It's an interesting question, and the answer for me is, I, I was thinking about it, and I was like, I don't know what the price point is, but then it hit me, what four-door cars are there? Like, at some price point, cars with backseats stop to exist, like, they're not around anymore. And then I, and so that's why I wanted to pose the question to you guys. Like, what can you think of, like, what is the most expensive family car that you could like imagine? That's not like a one-off ridiculous thing, but like an actual car you could purchase.

• 1:28:32Speaker 04

  The Rolls-Royce boat tail, according to Google.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  Well, but as a family car, like the Cullinan, maybe you could argue is.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  That's a, that's a thing.

• 1:28:41Speaker 05

  Or Bentayga.

• 1:28:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but those are depreciating. I mean, I think the question, the, the thrust of the question is more like, oh, you've done this in this enthusiast car. And people do this in Cullinans and Bentaygas and Urises all the time.

• 1:28:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:28:53Doug DeMuro?

  Like, what is the, what do you think the most expensive, like, realistic, like a Lagonda, um, Taraf?

• 1:28:59Speaker 04

  Taraf would be cool, but you would put kids. It's got rear back doors.

• 1:29:03Speaker 05

  Zagato shooting brake.

• 1:29:04Speaker 04

  No, no rear seats.

• 1:29:05Doug DeMuro?

  That doesn't have a backseat.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  I, I don't, I can't think of a car where like you would, there's a lot of cars that are not interesting to you, I suspect, like old Historics that might have four seats, but those aren't in your domain. And also, there comes a point when like. Is that a car you want to put your kids in from a comfort and safety perspective? Kind of becomes a bit of a question on top of are you into it? I can't think of anything that you would like from a desire standpoint, want to have that you wouldn't put your kids in.

• 1:29:36Doug DeMuro?

  That has. But not just me, like that a person, like I can't think of any car that is so expensive as a four door car, short of stuff like, yes, that boat tail Rolls Royce, whatever that like is not.

• 1:29:47Speaker 04

  But even that surely has latch anchors. Great. Put the good in there.

• 1:29:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:51Speaker 04

  You might get some creasing, but okay. But that's not going to decrease the value that much, you know?

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  John Temerian of curated, his wife has an Instagram account and a lot of pictures of kids, her kids are taking her kids around.

• 1:30:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:06Speaker 05

  She confirmed a car seat fits in a 722 SLR. The kids crawling around like Aventadores and Diablo's and like, it's really fun to see. I did once briefly allow one of my kids a ride in the SLR where I put the, the car seat in there and like, just like, it was like a roller coaster ride. Like they loved, I know it wasn't the safest thing in the world and not something I would do, but I think sharing the hobby, as Doug has said, with the kids and getting them stoked on it, like it's so special and it's so worth it that I think like just.

• 1:30:36Doug DeMuro?

  It is.

• 1:30:37Speaker 05

  Just find a way to do it.

• 1:30:38Speaker 04

  I also think from a value perspective, the question is how like where fundamentally it's what would impact value? Maybe cutting the leather in your 993 to a purist, but you have a higher mile car anyways. It's not a purist 993. It's you, that buyer isn't going to be interested in your example anyways. And so like, does putting car seats in it mean that there's might be some stretching on the leather? Okay. What's the value impact? It feels trivial. And so great.

• 1:31:04Speaker 05

  Right.

• 1:31:05Speaker 04

  Would there?

• 1:31:05Speaker 05

  I put my dogs in the SLR all the time. It's like, okay, you can roll that out.

• 1:31:09Doug DeMuro?

  And thus, and so thus, like a GTC4 Luso, like that may be one of the more expensive, but like you'd still do it a pure, like all those cars, like I, there's no four seat car, I think that is so collectible that you, that you wouldn't, you wouldn't probably do it short of like crazy one offs like that Rolls thing.

• 1:31:26Speaker 05

  What about, what about the Luce? It's.

• 1:31:28Doug DeMuro?

  I wouldn't know. My kids won't ride in that because they, they're not complete idiots. By the way, Nick, have you been paying attention? I'm not going to call out anybody. This is a late pod, late in the podcast rant here. Side topic, but have you been paying attention to certain rich people who we know or know of, who are posting positive things about the Luce now that they've been invited to a special event or that they're, you know, like, have you seen this?

• 1:31:54Speaker 05

  It is, it is so obvious too, is the problem, right? Like, there's like four people that are saying nice things about it on the entire internet. And like, they all seem to have been chosen for things and you're like, oh, what's happening here?

• 1:32:08Doug DeMuro?

  They're being pampered and they're probably being promised things. And of course the comments are making, just destroying them, making fun of them. But there are a few car sphere people who are doing this. And I've been thinking about it, like they're going to, till they're blue in the face, talk about how great it is now because they're getting special treatment from them. But the real truth of the Luce will come on the secondary market. Like to me, no matter what anybody says about this car, the real truth will come on the secondary market.

• 1:32:39Speaker 05

  Which is why they're strategically launching chassis 000. It's going to be at RM at car week, but it's a charity auction.

• 1:32:46Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:32:46Speaker 05

  So they're going to set like a really high comp of someone trying to buy their influence within Ferrari and claim that is another sign of success of the Luce, which it won't be an accurate one, but.

• 1:32:56Doug DeMuro?

  And they will make a point to make sure.

• 1:32:59Speaker 05

  I'm going to boo.

• 1:33:00Doug DeMuro?

  One way or another, that that car sells for a pretty high number, if you know what I mean. That car won't be selling for, for, for not, it'll sell for big money, one way or another.

• 1:33:10Speaker 05

  You think an SLS, an SLS bring a trailer bidder will, will, will jump in?

• 1:33:16Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't say that. I, um, I, but I have.

• 1:33:20Speaker 05

  But did you, did you imply that Doug?

• 1:33:24Doug DeMuro?

  I think that they are going to make sure, I think that they are going to carefully concoct a PR campaign around this car that will last for the car's entire product lifecycle.

• 1:33:34Doug DeMuro?

  And the car is obviously trash, but I think that the secondary market will be the true proof of what the people believe. Whatever an influencer tells you, whatever a reviewer tells you, the secondary market is the, the truth. Like that's just where it is.

• 1:33:50Speaker 05

  And you know what? The right answer to the original question was that dude that has the 456 Venice.

• 1:33:56Speaker 04

  I put a car, kick his in the back of that.

• 1:33:57Speaker 05

  Are you modding that to put in car seat tethers? Or is it because it's a Brunei car that's literally irreplaceable?

• 1:34:03Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't he, didn't he convert it to left-hand drive?

• 1:34:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, I guess he did. There you go. There's your answer.

• 1:34:08Doug DeMuro?

  I would have no qualms at all about putting car seat tethers in that. The car's one of one, basically like you put tethers in it. Okay. Now it's got tethers in it, but like you're going, what are you going to do? Find a more, a cleaner one? Okay.

• 1:34:18Speaker 05

  Fair.

• 1:34:19Speaker 04

  Still the car.

• 1:34:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:34:21Doug DeMuro?

  This has been a great podcast. I wish you all success at car week.

• 1:34:24Speaker 05

  Oh, hold on. I got the right answer. One more time. That Cadillac Celestique thing.

• 1:34:30Speaker 04

  No, I'd put car seats in the back of that for sure.

• 1:34:33Speaker 05

  500 grand you letting your kids?

• 1:34:34Speaker 04

  Well.

• 1:34:34Speaker 05

  Must like screw that up.

• 1:34:36Speaker 04

  Well, they're asking 500 grand, different than the market value.

• 1:34:40Speaker 05

  Fair.

• 1:34:40Speaker 04

  And also, yes, absolutely.

• 1:34:41Speaker 05

  I put my kids in a Kia because I'm a simple man of simple taste.

• 1:34:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, simple man of simple taste, heading off to Monterey car week, Range Rover convertible. Nick.

• 1:34:52Speaker 05

  Speaking of which, Phil from HD is texting me during this pod being like, ah, you have a leak in one tire. Actually that's two tires. Actually you should replace all of your tires ASAP. We've taken out four, four nails, so.

• 1:35:06Speaker 04

  Did you drive through them?

• 1:35:08Speaker 05

  It's been fine. I'm going to bring one of those little portable inflators and send it.

• 1:35:11Speaker 04

  Well, you, we were hoping that you would see the, the Range Rover with the Cars and Bids logos at car week, but instead you'll see it broken down on the side of the five.

• 1:35:20Speaker 05

  Probably, probably get you more eyeballs that way.

• 1:35:21Speaker 04

  Ocean side, you think?

• 1:35:22Speaker 05

  I'm going to, I'm going to bet on some SLSs while I break down.

• 1:35:26Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, lovely pod. Thank you guys so much. Our best pod ever-ish and we'll talk to you next week. Again, I won't be here, but others will. And then we're all back in person after that. Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:35:37Speaker 04

  Enjoy the two hours of radio.