11 Jesse & Luke | Friend's secretly-recorded conversation with the accused

A friend of Beau Lamarre-Condon has told the court the accused asked for help moving Jesse and Luke's bodies and disposing of their clothing. In this episode Jamie McKinnell explains the contact this friend had with the accused murderer in the days after the shooting, as well as during a secretly recorded prison visit. If you have any questions you'd like Jamie and Stocky to answer in future episodes, please email [email protected] mailto:[email protected]. Family and domestic violence support: If you need help, contact 1800 Respect https://1800respect.org.au/ national helpline on 1800 737 732. The Case Of is the follow-up to the hit podcast Mushroom Case Daily, and all episodes of that show will remain available in the back catalogue of The Case Of.

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• 0:45Stephen Stockwell?

  Two days before Jessie and Luke were shot and put into surfboard bags, Bowlemar Condon was captured on CCTV measuring one of those bags against a friend. That friend has now told the court what they talked about and what happened after the shooting. I'm Stephen Stockwell. Just a heads up, there is a discussion of suicide in this episode. This is episode 11 of the case of Jessie and Luke.

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  He's accused of shooting Jessie Baird and Luke Davies with his service firearm. Police now allege Constable Bowlemar Condon murdered the couple at a home in Paddington.

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  This is just a terrible incident that's occurred here, the loss of these two young men.

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  Now this is Mardi Gras time and yet it's a community in mourning. The pain is ongoing. We don't have a lot of answers that we would love to have, just to help bring closure, to bring peace.

• 1:38Stephen Stockwell?

  From a test fire in the Royal National Park and the purchase of a surfboard bag, to the search for a skip bin to dispose of bloody clothing and a secret recording in prison. We have spent two days on the evidence of a man that Bowlemar Condon is alleged to have asked for help following the shooting of Jessie and Luke. And there, in court, as he has given his evidence, has been ABC Legal Affairs reporter Jamie McKinnell. Welcome, Jamie.

• 2:03Speaker 06

  Hello, Stocky.

• 2:04Stephen Stockwell?

  Almost two full days with the evidence of this witness. It must be someone who is pretty important to the case against Bowlemar Condon.

• 2:12Speaker 06

  Well, this friend is linked to Bowlemar Condon in a number of parts of the Crown's case, and it's both before and after the alleged murders. So there's a lot to walk through from his evidence.

• 2:22Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah. Can you sum up the last couple of days for us in a minute or so?

• 2:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, sure. So we've heard about an alleged confession by the accused to killing people allegedly made to this friend on the day that Jessie Baird and Luke Davies died in 2024, and also a request for help cleaning up. This friend was someone the accused had also travelled overseas with in the months before, and someone that the accused took to a national park and fired his gun. The friend says to test whether you could change the sound of gunfire using a brown paper shopping bag. But this friend has told the court that he remained uncertain whether or not this situation was actually real, even after the alleged confession and even as Bowlemar Condon, he says, told him that he needed to get rid of bloodied clothing

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  and that he was joking about the weight of bodies. The jury has also been played secretly recorded jail calls between the accused and this friend, and also heard a secretly recorded meeting in jail between the two, where the friend says that the accused was trying to make him think that his witness statement was wrong.

• 3:34Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you, Jamie. A lot to unpack there. So thank you for wrapping it up for us. And I mean, the other thing that surprised me in the last couple of days was the cameo of the case of in the New South Wales Supreme Court, something that made me incredibly nervous. We'll talk about later in this episode. Now, we have had, Jamie, a few pseudonyms in this trial. This is not one of them. Instead, the name of this witness is suppressed. There's a temporary non-publication order over that. So we can't name or ID them, is that right?

• 4:02Speaker 06

  No, we can't. But we can still talk about his evidence. So there's two days or more of evidence to speak about.

• 4:08Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, okay. So lots to unpack, but just can't mention his name. We do know that this man met Bowlemar Condon in late 2023. How aware of Bowlemar Condon's relationship with Jessie Baird was he?

• 4:22Speaker 06

  It seemed to be partly what they bonded over when they first met and became friends. Bowlemar Condon was a bit older than this friend, but this witness had also had a recent breakup. And so they were talking about their experiences with cutting ties with a partner, basically. Mr. Lamarcandon mentioned he'd recently broken up with someone to this friend and said there were trust issues in the relationship. But the friend says he didn't really go into much more detail about what had happened. He says that the accused told him that he got someone to slash the tyres of Jessie Baird's car and that he also put water into the fuel tank.

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  And this witness said that he could tell that the accused was upset about the ending of this relationship.

• 5:09Stephen Stockwell?

  We've heard previously that Bowlemar Condon and Jessie Baird had apparently planned a trip to Bali in late 2023, early 2024. That's a trip that never happened. But it seems like this friend ended up going on the trip with Bowlemar Condon to Bali. And that is a trip that left a permanent mark on him, Jamie.

• 5:28Speaker 06

  Yeah. So during this trip, it was towards the very end of 2023 and over the sort of New Year's period. We heard that they did what sounded like pretty typical touristy stuff. They rode around the island, they went snorkeling, they also got tattoos. And he told the court of this joke that they were having, that they were both going to get their initials tattooed on one another. And he went first. He got Mr. Lamarcandon's initials tattooed. But then Mr. Lamarcandon didn't follow through and get his, although he said that he did pay for the friend's tattoo.

• 6:01Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah. I'm not sure that quite kind of measures up in, you know, equity. You know, one person gets a tattoo, the other person pays for it. But, you know, he did kind of say that that was maybe part of the joke, giving his evidence. Yeah, not sure how that washes out. He did also say during that trip that Bowlemar Condon was looking for a silencer or suppressor. Did he say what for?

• 6:23Speaker 06

  So he remembers the explanation as being that Bowlemar Condon said he was going hunting. And so he said they tried to go to a gun shop. They'd found this place online. But when they actually went to the location, it was either closed or it didn't exist. He was asked where this was, but he couldn't remember what area or village or region it was in. He said that they didn't end up going there because either it was shut or there was nothing there. And he said, once he got home back to Sydney, he got a Snapchat picture from Mr. Lamarcandon with a picture of guns in it. But he said Mr. Lamarcandon told him that they were airsoft guns. So they weren't real guns and there were no silencers or suppressors there.

• 7:06Stephen Stockwell?

  Yep. Guns come up when they get back, or at least when Bowlemar Condon returns from Bali as well. This witness says they went to the Royal National Park. And when they got there, Bowlemar Condon pulled out a police vest and a radio and a brown paper bag from the back of his car and they walked into the bush. And then from the bag, he says Bowlemar Condon pulled out his police issued weapon, which sounds like it really freaked him out.

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  Yeah, he told the court that he was in shock when he saw this happen. And he started thinking that he hadn't told anyone where he was or what he was doing. But he said they walked off into a sort of more isolated bushland area. And Bowlemar Condon handed him a police radio and turned it on and told him to listen out for any police activity or movements in the area while he fired his police gun. Now, the witness said that he recognized this weapon as a police issued brand, a Glock. And he said that Bowlemar Condon fired test shots with what he was told were training bullets. He fired one shot and then asked the friend how loud the sound was.

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  And then the friend testified that he then put the gun back into this brown paper shopping bag and fired it again and asked whether that made any difference to the sound. And he also remembers during this process that the accused asked something like, would you hear this in a house? And then when they got back to the car, he told the friend that you're not allowed to tell anyone about what we've done. We should point out here too, Stocky, that this friend is giving evidence under the same certificate that Elizabeth Kennedy got. So it's a certificate granted to ensure that their evidence will not be used against them to prosecute them. But we've also heard the judge explain that this doesn't extend to protection

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  if their evidence is false or protection against perjury.

• 9:01Stephen Stockwell?

  Great. Thank you for clarifying that, Jamie. It does sound as well, though, as though Bowlemar Condon and this witness did spend a bit of time kind of hanging out, not least at the Royal National Park, where he says this, this test firing occurred, going to the Pugati pools and the like there. They also, you know, would go four walks on the beach, things like that. But there was another point where they went to a sports store to buy a surfboard bag. Did this friend ask why they were buying a surfboard bag?

• 9:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, and he says that he was told by the accused that the accused needed to get his surfboards back off Jesse Baird. He said that, he didn't really say how many, but we've previously seen that CCTV stocky of these two in the surfboard bag section of a sports store and sort of picking them out off a rack. He says that during that visit to the sports store, Mr. Lamar Condon held a bag up next to him and he said, "You're about the same size as my surfboard. Can you stand there while I measure it up to you?" And he says that he questioned the accused about whether he even surfed because he remembered during the Bali trip, he didn't surf and he didn't think he did surf. But he told the court that Bo Lamar Condon

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  told him he does and in the Bali trip, he was off doing other things.

• 10:22Stephen Stockwell?

  And, I mean, Jamie, this shopping trip is two days before the deaths of Jesse Baird and Luke Davies. That was on Monday, the 19th of February. This is Saturday, the 17th of February. On that Monday, so two days later, this witness says that he gets a call from Bo Lamar Condon from a different number. He's asked to meet him at the front of his workplace. He heads out. What happens?

• 10:47Speaker 06

  Well, he went outside and he found Bo Lamar Condon in a hire car and he got into this car and he told the court that they then had this conversation where Mr. Lamar Condon said to him that, "I've done something. I've killed people." And according to the friend, he also said, "It didn't feel like me and it felt like an out of body experience." And according to his evidence, Mr. Lamar Condon told him that he shot the first person in the head and the second person through a door. And he says that he asked the accused why and the accused said, "It doesn't matter." He says that he asked how as well and he claims the accused then said with my gun and made a hand gesture of a gun and also said the

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  words "pew pew" at that point. And he says that the accused was asking him for help cleaning up what he called his mess. He says that bodies are heavy and he needs help lifting them. And the friend has also testified that he told him on that day that the second person wasn't meant to be shot, but he couldn't risk having witnesses. The friend told the court that there were some messages and then there was also a FaceTime call later that evening where Bo Lamar Condon asked him, "How did you like my Oscar performance?" and said that he was just joking. And the friend seemed like he was pretty unimpressed by that. He remembered saying something like, "That's not funny. That's not a joke. You're mentally

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  effing with me right now." And he was quite angry and upset about this. So he was, he sounded like he was pretty unimpressed and, and he said during that conversation where Mr. Lamar Condon, he says, was passing it off as a joke. And then when they got back to the car, according to this friend's evidence, the accused allegedly told him, "You can't tell anyone about this trip."

• 12:33Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, okay. So that is the Monday evening of this week. That's Monday, the 19th of February. They catch up a couple of times over the following days on this witness's evidence. On Tuesday, they go to the sushi train for lunch. We've talked about in a previous episode. Bo Lamar Condon says he needs to get rid of some bloody clothes at that point and actually saw a skip in at the bowls club as they were leaving that area and that's where the items ended up. And then on Thursday morning, Bo Lamar Condon rocks up to this witness's house, basically unannounced from the sounds of it. What was he doing there?

• 13:08Speaker 06

  Well, the friend told the court that he was asking the friend if he had told anyone about the situation. And he said that Mr. Lamar Condon told him Bondi detectives had been trying to contact his mother and saying they need to speak to her about a matter. So it was sort of an unexpected visit and it sounded like he just wanted to know why the police were trying to contact his mother.

• 13:31Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah. Had this witness told anyone?

• 13:34Speaker 06

  Well, he offered his phone to Bo Lamar Condon to check and he said, "I hadn't, I hadn't contacted the police." And Bo Lamar Condon borrowed his phone at that point to make a phone call. And he also remembers the accused saying that he needed to get a SIM card at that point as well.

• 13:50Stephen Stockwell?

  Hmm, okay. Bo Lamar Condon calls him again on the Friday morning, sounds like as he is heading in to hand himself into police. This witness contacts police as well. Again, very similar situation to Elizabeth Kennedy from the sounds of it as well, having a lawyer there and basically getting, negotiating for an induced statement. So he couldn't be prosecuted for any of the details in the statement that he gives police. But their contact continues. You know, this isn't something that ends at that point. We've had a number of kind of recordings played to the court, including one from December 2025, where it seems as though this witness has worn basically a secret recording device into prison. This

• 14:32Stephen Stockwell?

  is a recorder that goes for almost an hour, quite a long recording. And Bo Lamar Condon is suggesting this witness may have misremembered details about the statements that he's made to police or in the statements he's made to police. Jamie, what's stuck out to you about that recording that we heard?

• 14:49Speaker 06

  Well, there were mentions in this where Mr. Lamar Condon was reminding him of previous discussions they've had, for example, about his struggles with mental health and suicide attempts. And he seemed to be going through a lot of previous conversations with this witness and reminding him of things. But even before this visit to the jail, we heard a phone call where Mr. Lamar Condon told him that he needed to make sure he had his big boy diapers on that day. And the friend told the court that he took that to mean that this conversation that we're going to have in person was perhaps something that might not make him feel good. And over the course of that 50 minutes, they spoke a lot about what had happened on the week of the alleged shooting. Bo Lamar Condon says that

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  he was planning to die by suicide in Bali and speaks about why he was wanting to find a suppressor over there. He also tells the friend that during the national park trip, that he was actually checking if anybody in a nearby house in, in the area would be able to hear the gunshots because he was thinking about going there and shooting himself and then just becoming a missing person. He also raises things that are in the witness statement of this friend and that included the claim about this alleged confession and the comment that was attributed to the accused that the second person wasn't meant to be shot, but there couldn't be any witnesses. Bo Lamar Condon, in this visit, tells his

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  friend, "You've misheard that." And the friend sort of pushes back and says, "Don't you dare switch up," and says, "That's what was said." Bo Lamar Condon also raises the fact that the friend has told police that the accused said to him, "One person was shot in the head and the other person was shot through a door." And he says to this friend, things like, "You were under duress and the way they treated you was disgusting and this doesn't mean people are lying. It means people have misheard or misinterpreted." He tells the friend as well that he, he tried to plead guilty to the manslaughter of Jesse Baird, but he didn't do anything to Luke. And he tells his friend things like, "Use your brain" and

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  says, you know, "Can you see all the puzzle pieces now?" He stops himself a few times during this conversation from going into the specifics of his version of what happened inside the Paddington Terrace. But he basically says, "I went there to get possessions. He was wearing an Uber Eats outfit and, quote, 'shit went wrong.'" And so the friend during this conversation, a couple of times expresses frustration and says that he's getting more and more frustrated. Towards the end of the 50 minutes, he says, "I need some air. I need to go and walk." And, and he leaves.

• 17:30Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, it was a, sounded like a really emotional conversation between the two as well. And, you know, something where they both kind of had things that they wanted to say to each other as well. It certainly sounded like this witness was a little bit frustrated with Bo Lamar Condon and the way that he had treated him throughout this as well. He said, "At no point have you sort of apologised for bringing me into this scenario that's, that's, you know, kind of, he's still a part of as well." And talking about the amount of time in his life that it had taken up. So it was interesting to hear the detail of that conversation. And also, yeah, as he's walking away at the end saying he needs air, you can hear the conversation becoming more distant as he, as he must be walking through the prison to, to leave that space. Then we got into the cross-examination. And

• 18:14Stephen Stockwell?

  this is one of the more substantial cross-examinations we've seen of a witness in this trial. A lot of questions from Bo Lamar Condon's barrister, John Stratton, asking him all manner of things, checking details and the like. What came out through the questions that this witness was asked?

• 18:31Speaker 06

  Well, through the questions that Mr. Stratton was asking, we heard from this witness confirmation of things like that the accused had previously spoken to him about depression and suicide. We heard confirmation from the witness that Mr. Lamar Condon told him that you can't get silences that fit on police issued handguns. The witness also confirmed that he was told that Mr. Lamar Condon's mother's car was in for servicing around the time of the alleged shootings. And we also got confirmation that he has an ambition to join the police force. He did at the time and he still does, he said, under cross-examination. And Mr. Stratton suggested to him that the reason why he has helped with this police investigation was to increase his chances of getting a job

• 19:16Speaker 06

  in the force. And to that, he said, "No, I did it because it was the right thing to do."

• 19:21Stephen Stockwell?

  Also, Jamie, we heard in the cross-examination as well that this witness has been listening to the pod. Is that allowed?

• 19:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, he has been listening, apparently. He was asked in the cross-examination, how much of the media coverage of this trial have you been following, if any? And he was asked specifically, have you watched or listened to a podcast about this case? He said, yes, only one. And then John Stratton, as he asked him, was that on the ABC? And he said, yes. And then Mr Stratton went on to suggest that, are you sometimes confusing what you've heard or read about this case in the news with things that you might remember that Bola Markcondon possibly told you? And he said, no. So it was kind of, he did concede that he has been watching perhaps

• 20:11Speaker 06

  television reports as well, or reading things about the case, but he insisted that he hasn't conflated those things with his memory of what he was told two and a half years ago or more.

• 20:21Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, John Stratton was challenging the evidence that he was giving in court and asking him to clarify certain points in the timeline and things like that. And one of the things he had talked about in his evidence was that about how Bola Markcondon had told him, I think on the Tuesday when they were at the sushi train, that Elizabeth Kennedy had waited at the gate while Bola Markcondon went into the farm. And that was, yeah, on the Tuesday when they got sushi. John Stratton asked this witness why that wasn't in his statement. And is that one of the things that he's kind of trying to suggest he may have picked up from the media instead of, you know, putting in his statement at the time?

• 20:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, there were a couple of specific things that he put to the witness that that's something you've read in the news. And he did suggest that the Elizabeth Kennedy waiting at the gate issue was something he read in news reports, but the witness denied that that's where that had come from. He also suggested that the evidence that Mr Lamarcondon had told him that he used training bullets at the Royal National Park was another thing, but the witness also denied that. So broadly, this challenge was put to him that you've conflated the media reporting of the case with your memory. And he denied that's the case.

• 21:33Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, okay. We had the kind of what I describe as the sort of the classic defence barrister approach of the putting a proposition to a witness and then asking the, do you agree or disagree with that statement? John Stratton kind of asking this witness whether or not he was confusing the order of the shooting in his statement. How did this go?

• 21:56Speaker 06

  Well, there was a number of am I right or wrong style of questions after the propositions were put. And he disagreed with almost everything that Mr Stratton was putting to him. There were a couple of times where he said things like, you have deceived the accused by assisting the police investigation. Do you agree or disagree? He disagreed. He also put to him that you've assisted with the police investigation or helped with it to increase your chances of getting a job with the police force. And he disagreed with that. So he was quite firm in those series of questions with disagreeing with the propositions from the defence counsel.

• 22:32Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah. Thank you, Jamie. Appreciate you taking us through all of that. A lot to cover. So I think we've done pretty well to work our way through this witness evidence in the time we have. It means that we do have time to discuss some questions that are being sent to [email protected]. We really appreciate all the emails that you are sending us at the moment. It is taking an increasing amount of time to read all of them, but I am still reading all of them. So thank you for getting in touch. The length of them has increased substantially. There's a couple of one-liners, but then there's, at times, Jamie, entire pages of thoughts and reflections and questions that are really wonderful that are coming through to [email protected]. I want to start here with a question from Matt, who has emailed us. He's asking, a lot of the activity seems to be around the

• 23:17Stephen Stockwell?

  Sutherlandshire in Sydney, that is a suburb south of Sydney. Is that an area that Bola Markcondon lived?

• 23:25Speaker 06

  No, we've heard he lived in the Baumane area, but he's right, there is a lot of activity in the Shire area. We've heard that his home police station was the Miranda Police Station. So it sounds like a lot of his work was sort of towards that direction. But there is a lot of things about this case that seem to have happened down there. For example, the skip bin in Cronulla, the sushi meeting with this friend happened down that way as well. So there's a fair bit happening in terms of the case in that Sutherlandshire area.

• 23:56Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Matt, as well, for sending that question into [email protected]. As I was preparing for that question, I had searched Sutherlandshire and also reminded that the Royal National Park is in that area as well, which also makes a cameo in this episode. Jamie, we had a number of questions about the evidence of Elizabeth Kennedy that we talked about at length in our last episode. Annie, Gabby, Steph, thank you for writing in to thecaseof. They're all wondering if Elizabeth Kennedy asked any questions of Bola Markcondon on that drive, like, why are the windows open and why is the air conditioning on full? Why do I have to have my phone off? Why are we buying an angle grinder? Anything like that come up?

• 24:36Speaker 06

  Well, she did say in her evidence that she wasn't allowed to put the windows up or turn the aircon off. And the same with this rule about the phone, that she had to turn her phone off. She was asked by the Crown, was there any reason for that phone rule? And she just said no. So it sounds like she was asking some questions, but she still had to sort of like follow those directions from the accused.

• 25:00Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you, Jamie. Thank you, Annie, Gabby and Steph as well for writing into [email protected] with that question. We have heard, Jamie, also in Elizabeth Kennedy's evidence, that this wasn't the first time that Bola Markcondon had asked her to turn her phone off or put it in another room. She'd done that on other occasions when he'd visited her house. So not the first time there. We have another question here from Michael and Julie, separate emails, both with a very similar question. They're wondering whether the court heard about if Elizabeth Kennedy's DNA was found on either the white jumpsuit or the mask that was recovered from Bungonia?

• 25:37Speaker 06

  Well, the jury does have a forensic results table of a lot of the items that police found at the Bungonia crime scene. And on that table, it does mention things like the overalls and the dust masks. And the results say that on one of the pairs of overalls, there were trace DNA tape lifts done, but there was no DNA profiling carried out because of the low levels of DNA. So not specifically tied to Elizabeth Kennedy, but we do know that there was a lot of testing done on many items at Bungonia. And some of them, the results didn't seem to go anywhere because of the low levels found on them.

• 26:13Stephen Stockwell?

  Thank you, Michael and Julie as well for that question. And Jamie, we should clarify as well, Elizabeth Kennedy was asked quite directly in her cross-examination by John Stratton, whether she had put on either the jumpsuit or the mask. And am I right in thinking that she said she didn't? She denied that?

• 26:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, she did deny that quite firmly. She was asked, you know, whether you got into a pair of overalls and helped at the dam when there was this initial attempt to sink the bodies in the dam. And she denied all of those propositions and insisted that she waited at the gate and she had nothing to do with what was happening at the dam when Mr Lamarcondon drove further into that farm.

• 26:50Stephen Stockwell?

  Yeah, thank you, Jamie. Appreciate you taking us through all those questions. If there's something you're wondering about, please get in touch, [email protected]. Really do appreciate all the emails you're sending us. It is a wonderful little community that's been built around the pod. So it's nice hearing from all of you, all the wonderful feedback, all of the considered and thoughtful feedback that, you know, I might not like to hear, but it's always very helpful. So thank you for getting in touch. Jamie, how much longer to go in this trial? Have we got a bit of a steer on that now?

• 27:20Speaker 06

  Yeah, the judge has given an update to the jurors. So we know that the estimate was three months and we're almost at the halfway point. And late last week, Justice Natalie Adams told the jury that the Crown has indicated that they are running slightly ahead of that schedule. And she said that the Crown case will finish either this week or early next week. And she also said, then there will be a defence case and submissions and something up. But she reassured the jury that they are well within the time estimate.

• 27:48Stephen Stockwell?

  Wonderful. Thank you for the update, Jamie. Well, thank you, Your Honour Natalie Adams, for updating us and updating the jury on how long to go. We'll be back in your feed on Thursday this week with another episode of The Case of Jessie and Luke. Please get around ABC Listen. It's the best place to listen to The Case of. And our episodes rock up there slightly earlier than they'll rock up anywhere else as well. So if you're champing at the bit, you'll see us and hear us there before anywhere else. If you are using a different podcast platform, just leave us a rating or a review because it makes it much easier for other people to find us.

• 28:25Stephen Stockwell?

  The Case of Jessie and Luke is produced by ABC Audio Studios and ABC News. This episode was reported by Jamie McKinnell and presented by me, Stephen Stockwell. Our supervising producer is Greg Muller and our executive producer is Claire Rawlinson. This episode was produced on the land of the Gadigal and we're unruly people.