Zadeh Kicks: The Greatest Sneakerhead Swindle LIVE! w/ Wayne Brady, Carl Tart, & Oscar Montoya

On this very special 300th episode, Laci welcomes Wayne Brady (Whose Line Is It Anyway?, Let’s Make a Deal), Carl Tart (Grand Crew, SNL), and Oscar Montoya (Minx, Wizards Beyond Waverly Place) for a hilarious chat about all things sneakers. Wayne, Carl, and Oscar share their personal experiences with scams, including some of their first jobs. Laci regales the crew with what's hot in fraud, from folks saying nah to Klarna payments, to rival turkey hut explosions, and the long-overdue call for justice for Blade. Plus, they break down the biggest sneaker swindle in history: the wild story of Zadeh Kicks. Stay schemin’! Wayne Brady and Jonathan Mangum are improv nerds! Listen to Wayne Brady's What If?! with Jonathan Mangum wherever you get your podcasts. Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess book? Look no more, nab your copy on PODSWAG Keep the scams coming and snitch on your friends by emailing us at [email protected]. CON-gregation, catch Laci's TV Show Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Wayne Brady: @mrbradybaby Carl Tart: @dammitcarl Oscar Montoya: @ozzymo Research by Kathryn Doyle SOURCES https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-300-million-sneaker-king-comes-undone-11667570874 https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/zadeh-kicks-owner-and-chief-financial-officer-plead-guilty-80-million-wire-fraud-and https://www.opb.org/article/2025/03/22/zadeh-kicks-pleads-guilty-fraud-eugene/ https://www.nicekicks.com/the-rise-fall-and-implosion-of-zadeh-kicks-and-why-it-matters-beyond-the-sneaker-world/ https://www.klcc.org/economy-business/2022-08-08/eugene-sneaker-business-charged-in-fraud-scheme https://www.klcc.org/crime-law-justice/2023-07-16/19m-in-back-taxes-85m-in-fraud-and-two-arrests-the-case-of-zadeh-kicks

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• 1:29Laci Mosley?

  Hi, welcome to my Tiny Desk Concert. Scams come. Robberies and frauds. Scams, come on! Robberies and frauds.

• 1:58Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna need that one again, because y'all was shy. I'm gonna get it in, tell. Robberies and frauds.

• 2:11Laci Mosley?

  There we go, come on! It's only like 50 of y'all in. We gotta, we gotta fill the room up. Thank you!

• 2:21Laci Mosley?

  So tonight, we'll be joined by some very special guests that I adore. The first one, you might recognize him as Richie in the series Minks, Dropout TV, Wizards Beyond, Waverly Place, and Dicks the Musical. Or you might recognize him from my podcast in a very viral New York Times episode about Ilaria Baldwin. Please give it up for Oscar Montoya!

• 3:00Laci Mosley?

  Next up, you might know him from the hilarious show Grand 2, History of the World Part 2, Brooklyn 9/9, or maybe you've seen him writing and also appearing on SNL currently. Please give it up for the hilarious king, Carl Toc.

• 3:28Laci Mosley?

  And last, but certainly not least at all, a personal comedy and improv hero of mine that I'm so excited to have here tonight. You may know him from Whose Line Is It Anyway?, which taught me that I could do make them ups. And I was like, "Oh, a negro doing make them ups." They're paying him? Do they know he's black?

• 3:50Laci Mosley?

  And he's so fantastic and hilarious. You might also know him from Let's Make a Deal or The Wayne Brady Show. That gives it away.

• 3:59Laci Mosley?

  And you can catch his new podcast, Wayne Brady's What If?, with John Magnum. Please give it up, get up out of your damn seat for Wayne Brady. Get up!

• 4:23Laci Mosley?

  Okay. Let's get the show started. Let's see if I'm gonna pop this mic in successfully the first time. I practiced.

• 4:33Laci Mosley?

  That's what I call breathing child, I love it. This is put the mic in, yay. Okay, so I have to start by asking all of you gentlemen,

• 4:46Laci Mosley?

  and this is kind of a boy show, you'll see why later. But I have to ask you, and anyone can go first. What is your relationship with scams right now? Have you been scammed? Do you know anybody who's run any scams? If you've run any scams that are beyond the statute of limitations, you can tell us.

• 5:06Speaker 03

  I've been scammed, and I did scam once.

• 5:10Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I need to know both.

• 5:13Speaker 03

  I scammed when I was a teenager. One of the jobs that I had, pre-show business, was I worked at this video game arcade, Malibu Fund Center, down in Orlando, Florida. And I was in charge of, I mean, all the stuff. I made burgers, and I cleaned up the miniature golf stuff. I cleaned the poo in the trash can. All I wanted to do was play video games. So I figured that if you're gonna make me clean poo, then I can game the system a little bit.

• 5:39Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  So when people would come and they would say, "Oh, I put three quarters in Zaxxon." That's an old-ass game. I put three quarters in. Can you give me the quarters? "Oh, yeah." So we give them the tokens. "Three for you." And you mark them down. Be like, "They really lost four." Then I would take one, and it adds up over time.

• 6:00Laci Mosley?

  It's called taxes.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  So I wasn't stealing money, right? I was taxing the system. I wasn't stealing money. I was stealing video game time. So at least I didn't steal money. Because like, that's where I drew my line. Yes, it was theft, but I'm not gonna steal your money. And then I was scammed when I went to Atlanta for an audition when I was 18. I was very trusting, and this dude, it was my first time on a bus. It was my first time on a bus from Orlando to Atlanta. I didn't know it was a thing. I got off.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  You got your mountain people, then you got your bus people.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  The bus people.

• 6:36Laci Mosley?

  Shout out to Janelle James. She said, "The bus people on planes now."

• 6:39Speaker 03

  He got me good.

• 6:41Laci Mosley?

  She's right.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Nope, nobody told me about the bus people. So this dude, he somehow gets out of me that I was there for an audition. And he's like, "Young, young blood, young blood, let me talk to you, man." "You know what, man, brother, it is unsafe out here in Atlanta. You gotta come, come over here, man, I'm gonna keep you safe." "Now, where you from?" "I'm from Orlando." "Oh, Orlando, what you, so, so what you do?" "I'm an actor." "Ah, you an actor, alright, alright, alright." "So, uh, first time in Atlanta?" "Yes, sir, yes, sir." "So, so, so what you gonna do? You gonna get something to eat?" "Yes, sir." "So, how, so how much money you got to eat?" "Well, well, well, I mean, my mom gave me, you know, I've got about sixty dollars." "Oh, you got sixty dollars, and alright, okay." "Well, you know what, it's kinda tough out here, so you should let me..."

• 7:26Speaker 03

  "You know what, I'm gonna hip you something real quick." "You should let me hold that money for you."

• 7:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 7:32Speaker 03

  So that...

• 7:34Speaker 03

  So now, "You just stop it, you should let me hold that money for you." Dot, dot, dot. Needless to say, he held it. I never did again. I got robbed right in the Greyhound terminal. And still had to go to my audition, and I asked the casting director if they'd give me a quarter to make a phone call.

• 7:54Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 7:54Speaker 04

  Did they?

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh, yeah.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Okay, okay.

• 7:57Speaker 03

  And I got the role.

• 8:00Speaker 03

  But I still, but I still got my money taken.

• 8:05Laci Mosley?

  Okay, listen, first of all, I love your mantra of like, "I ain't steal no money, I just took the tokens." Like, I love how you reframe that in your mind. Because technically, the tokens cost money. So then, the money, it's like, it's like if you think about a cryptocurrency, it does turn into money sometimes.

• 8:26Laci Mosley?

  But I love being like, "Well, I didn't steal no actual cash."

• 8:29Speaker 03

  Nope, and that's how I still think of it.

• 8:31Laci Mosley?

  And honestly, you should. I don't think they were paying you enough. And honestly, they should have given you access to free games. That should be a perk of the job.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  That part.

• 8:38Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 8:39Speaker 04

  That's why you work in these places.

• 8:40Speaker 03

  That's why you work. And then you go home smelling like burgers and child vomit and failure. So, so all I wanted to do was play Donkey Kong. Let me play Donkey Kong.

• 8:49Laci Mosley?

  They should have, they should have. That was wrong. I'm glad that the robbery story ended with you getting a job. I think you would've got that job anyway, because you're so incredibly talented. But yeah, letting a stranger who... I'm sorry, when you say "young blood..."

• 9:03Speaker 03

  Young blood.

• 9:04Laci Mosley?

  That really tipped it for me. I was like, "This man is unserious." Like...

• 9:09Speaker 03

  I thought he was looking out for my best interest.

• 9:12Laci Mosley?

  Nobody's ever said Youngblood to me and then something smart came after.

• 9:20Laci Mosley?

  That's why I had to shut it off. I'm like nah. What else? What are your relationships with scams, Carl Usker?

• 9:27Speaker 05

  Well, I'm glad you asked, Youngblood.

• 9:33Speaker 05

  So my relationship, scamming, kind of a similar story to Wayne's. My second job, I'm gonna tell you about my first job too, because that was a scam. But my second job and my first kind of real job was at Rite Aid, the drugstore.

• 9:45Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 9:46Speaker 05

  My homeboys had got a job there when I was away at college the first year and I came home and saw all of them working there. I was like, I gots to be up in here. And the manager was like, yeah, you get hired, like you want to work a load night and it was on the register. And they have an ice cream, if anybody's local from LA, they got the Thrifty Ice Cream.

• 10:04Speaker 05

  It's about to be gone, y'all.

• 10:06Speaker 04

  There's an ice cream crowd, okay.

• 10:08Speaker 05

  Well, this is a special. If you're from LA, like-

• 10:10Speaker 04

  Frozen yogurt, anybody?

• 10:11Laci Mosley?

  Me? Y'all booing frozen yogurt, that's crazy.

• 10:18Laci Mosley?

  Y'all ain't been to Frog Town, that's crazy.

• 10:21Speaker 05

  I ain't talking about frozen yogurt, we talking about Thrifty Ice Cream. Thrifty Ice Cream is a specialty in Los Angeles. And it's about, Rite Aid is shutting down, so nobody know where it's gonna be at.

• 10:35Laci Mosley?

  Was it only located in Rite Aid?

• 10:37Speaker 05

  Well, it used to be Thrifty and Savon back in the day when I was a kid. But now, and then Rite Aid took it over, took over Savon. The history of drugstores is complicated.

• 10:47Laci Mosley?

  You know a lot about it.

• 10:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But we used to go run through that ice cream, just constant little spoons all day. I'm just getting a sample. And then they was like, y'all have to stop eating out of that ice cream. Y'all have to stop. It's like, we're not stealing the ice cream. We're just getting little samples. But one lady that was scamming there was this tiny Indian lady. She was an older lady and she was very nice. She was like motherly to everybody and we never knew what she was doing there. She would always just be in the aisle stacking up stuff. So I guess it's her job to just make sure everything is stacked up, right? And she would ring herself up. She would like bring a shopping cart up and would ring herself up and use coupons.

• 11:30Speaker 05

  And she would just swipe these coupons and she would get like $200 worth of stuff, like hair products and all that type of stuff and pay like $3 for it. And she got fired.

• 11:41Speaker 05

  She was out of there. She was trying to scam. Uh, my relationship to scamming, I'll tell you my, the first scam, or this probably isn't the first, I probably was a gullible, I was a gullible kid. But when I was 16, uh, me and my boy saw this ad in the newspaper and I was like, wanna make uh, $1,200 a week?

• 12:01Speaker 05

  Come to this job. It's called Environment California. And Environment California was, if y'all ever go to Trader Joe's and they have signs up that are like, don't talk to those people. We are those people. The Environment California people are those people that they tell you not to talk to. Do you have time for the environment? Do you have a second for the environment? And you're trying to sell stuff. And I was like, $1,200 a week to do this? This doesn't feel right. And I remember they put us all in these vans and they sent, they separated me and my two friends and like one of my-

• 12:30Laci Mosley?

  Wayne just jumped when you said they put us all in the vans.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. Like you just unlocked the memory. Please, go ahead.

• 12:36Speaker 05

  They, uh, they-

• 12:38Speaker 03

  When one black man feels, we all feel it.

• 12:40Speaker 05

  We all feel it. We all feel it. They separated me and my two, and my two other friends. They sent one of my frie-, they sent me to Pasadena. They sent one of my friends to Manhattan Beach and they sent one to like mid-city. And we all were supposed to knock on people's doors and try to sell. Now, I'm in Pasadena, like South Pass. I'm not knocking on nobody's door. I'm just not. Uh, despite a couple pounds that I've put on since high school, I was this height in high school. So I looked like an adult. I'm, I am not knocking on these people's doors. And I remember when we, they, they, they like took us to Baja Fresh before. And you know, I'd eaten my food and I was kind of finished and I wiped my mouth off, put the napkin on the plate.

• 13:25Speaker 05

  And one of the dudes who was working with them was like, you gonna finish that? And I was like, haha, I know, right? Yeah, like thinking they, he was like, no, are you gonna finish that? And I said, there's no way they're making $1,200 a week. If he's asking me to finish my Baja Fresh, then I don't already put the paper towel in. It's like, that's the symbol for this is done. And he asked me for that. We only worked that job one day. That was a scam of a job. And most recently, because most of my job is just keeping my mom away from scams now. But, uh, and she's not that old. My mom had me really young. I'm just like, how do you not? You are still, you have all your, the agency. Uh, that's not the word I was thinking about, but the DMV got me.

• 14:06Laci Mosley?

  Ooh.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  A fake DMV.

• 14:08Laci Mosley?

  Oh.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  It was like, your registration's due. And the website was exactly the same as the DMV. And I was like, oh yeah, let me pay that. And I paid like $200 more.

• 14:16Speaker 03

  DMV.net.

• 14:17Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was, and I felt so stupid, Wayne.

• 14:19Laci Mosley?

  Not they went on, go down, I got this.

• 14:21Speaker 03

  D, DVM.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  Yeah. DVM, DVM.biz. DVM at Netscape.com.

• 14:30Speaker 03

  You got got.

• 14:31Speaker 05

  I got got. I got got. I mean, it worked. It did make it to my registration.

• 14:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  But I paid extra.

• 14:38Laci Mosley?

  Wow.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  So watch out for that.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Can, can I, yes, Andrew?

• 14:41Speaker 05

  Please.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  You just, I thought that was just the, the, when I was, I don't even know how old I was. In, in Orlando, there was this guy named John. John and his wife, they would, they, they looked like they had a cult. Now that I'm old enough to look back and know, it was the white dude with a beard and khakis and his wife had on the flower shirt. And her name was, was Moon. Cult adjacent. They came into my neighborhood, Tangelo Park. They were looking for young kids to take into other neighborhoods. And they were selling things. So we weren't doing that thing, but it it it felt like the same thing. Yeah. But I didn't quit after one. I did this because they they didn't promise us $1,200 a week.

• 15:25Speaker 03

  But basically, they said, look, we want to help you guys. We come into lower income neighborhoods and we want to help you because God, God gave us this mission. And and God has touched my heart to help you. And I thought, OK, I I'm just trying to save up money to help mom and to get a Nintendo. Great. So we had to sell stuff. I said, OK, I've got the gift of gab. Great, great, I'll sell. They gave us a script. And basically, what the script was, was any variation. And then thi- this is where I learned to to start to do the make them ups.

• 16:01Speaker 03

  Hi, my name is Wayne and and I'm with the Young Black Entrepreneurs of Tomorrow Association. And we're trying to build a recreational facility close to my neighborhood to help myself and the other disadvantaged young black youths. Oh, look at him, he talks so nicely, William. And I would sell them.

• 16:28Laci Mosley?

  Not well spoken.

• 16:30Speaker 03

  And I'm like, oh, hate you, fuck you. But then, OK. And and and I sold coloring kits, car wash kits, all these things that they had in these boxes marked up. And you are responsible for the list. And I saw after a second, they promised us all this money, but and I was selling my behind off. I would sell the whole box. And let's say the box, you'd 250. I would get $10. Oh. Hmm, I may not be an adult, but I know that I'm being robbed. Ah, so I got your ass. So when they would hand out the boxes, I smoothly slid and I got another box. So I had two boxes. They didn't know that I had the second box.

• 17:12Laci Mosley?

  I know, that's right.

• 17:13Speaker 03

  So I would sell the other box. And keep the money. And keep the money.

• 17:17Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  Because and then John would take us to McDonald's and think that that was, look, I'm taking you to McDonald's. Eat, black man, eat. It's like, oh, hey. So that was a pretty good job for the three weeks that I did it.

• 17:31Laci Mosley?

  Okay, look, I love you scamming back. They were like, "We come to these lower income neighborhoods that we created with redlining and putting highways in between."

• 17:41Laci Mosley?

  "We stole all your resources and we gave all the business loans to Asian people." "But we coming back to help. We coming back to help."

• 17:50Speaker 03

  Pat, pat.

• 17:51Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no, I love that. I hope you got some free meals, black man, along with selling your car wash kits.

• 17:58Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, folks don't know, when I was a kid, I was playing video games and selling stuff. Just, that was my life. So, I scammed a little bit.

• 18:06Laci Mosley?

  I love that. That's beautiful. And Carl, now you be like, "All my homies work at Rite Aid, so I work at Rite Aid."

• 18:16Speaker 03

  I was like, "Yeah, they got everybody up in here."

• 18:17Laci Mosley?

  You saw everybody in the blue polo and you joined the gang.

• 18:21Speaker 03

  I walked in the Rite Aid.

• 18:22Laci Mosley?

  Jump in, put that pin in my chest.

• 18:24Speaker 05

  Johnny, Isaiah, everybody was up in there.

• 18:28Speaker 05

  I got to be up in here.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  Let's pour one up for Rite Aid.

• 18:31Laci Mosley?

  And also, I want to say that the tiny Indian woman, to me, like, she's an innovator. Because before extreme couponing, there was her, okay?

• 18:42Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 18:43Laci Mosley?

  She said, "I'm leaving with something."

• 18:45Speaker 05

  They got her ass right about here, too.

• 18:47Laci Mosley?

  And you left with scoops of ice cream. I'm proud of both of you.

• 18:52Laci Mosley?

  And Oscar, that leaves you.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Well, I've never scammed anybody because I'm too stupid to do that. But I've been scammed my entire life. My very first job was at Blockbuster Video, R.I.P.

• 19:07Laci Mosley?

  What is what y'all in these?

• 19:10Speaker 05

  De-funk companies, yeah.

• 19:12Laci Mosley?

  Okay, my first job was selling Balfour rings. I never sold a ring. I just set up a Facebook page and they gave me a free ring that I lost. So, okay, fine, fair. We all had a shady first job.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  And this was at a time where Netflix was popping off. And Blockbuster said, "Oh, we gotta do the same thing." So they were doing like the, "Okay, you rent all these videos and you just pay a monthly fee, yeah?" And so, that was one of the perks that I got as someone who worked at Blockbuster. And I was living my best life, you know? There was someone at the store that used to come. Who was very flirtatious with me.

• 19:53Speaker 04

  And I fell into it. And he was like, yeah, so I want to take out this DVD. And there was always like the most pretentious foreign films, which I was like, game on. You're married to me now. You know what I mean? I got like, I was like, okay.

• 20:10Laci Mosley?

  And Oscar, I have to give a little context about you. Oscar and I are dear friends and he is the gay who will be like, let's hang out. And now we're watching YouTube videos of everything in pop culture.

• 20:21Speaker 04

  That's right. I have no personality.

• 20:26Speaker 04

  No kidding. But he would be very much like, oh, yeah. Oh, we should, we should hang out. I don't have a membership, but you do, right? And I'd be like, yeah. Yeah, okay, sure. Yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This will be under my name, but it's yours now. And he like rented, because you know, it's part, it's like unlimited rentals. You can return them however you want, whenever you want. And I think he like took 10 DVDs and I never saw him again.

• 21:02Laci Mosley?

  He didn't even want to fuck the DVD man for DVDs?

• 21:06Speaker 03

  Wait, but how, how many times did you hang out?

• 21:09Speaker 04

  Just one.

• 21:10Speaker 03

  He got you for 10?

• 21:11Speaker 04

  Okay, when he said, when I, when I say he was flirting with me, what I meant to say, he gave me eye contact.

• 21:21Speaker 04

  And that'll do it for me. Okay, that's enough for me. You're looking at me? We're married now, right? But then, yeah, we, he never showed up. And like, I kept being like, okay, one day, one day he'll come and show up and he'll bring back the DVDs. And he'll bring an engagement ring too.

• 21:44Speaker 04

  Unfortunately, Blockbuster closed down before any of that happened. So, yeah, so he's out, he's out there somewhere. Hey, Victor, wherever you are. Hey. Enjoy your pretentious foreign films.

• 21:59Speaker 03

  The English patient.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  They had to have subtitles. It was like some French weird movie that I've never heard of before. And that's why I was like, oh, my God, this is incredible. In black and white, too. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, yeah.

• 22:18Laci Mosley?

  Well, just take comfort in knowing that his broke ass never saw Parasite. And we got to enjoy that, okay? Watch it again with that in mind.

• 22:30Laci Mosley?

  He never saw this translation. Squid Game never saw it.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Never, never.

• 22:36Laci Mosley?

  Oh, damn. He should have at least put out a little bit before he stole.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  No, but see, that's okay. But see, that, I feel like that is my fault.

• 22:45Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying, like, he could have kept the train rolling a little bit.

• 22:48Speaker 04

  I just feel like, I think the, the big thing with scammers is that you are able, as a scammer, you have an innate ability to clock and lock into a scammy, you know? And I am a billboard for being scammed. I'm like, yeah, life is be, I'm like such a, like a Pollyanna person that like scammers are like moths to a flame with me, you know what I mean? Like, it is a miracle that I have a house, a job, money, because it's crazy. I'd be walking here with a barrel over my, my whole body, you know, otherwise. But, yeah.

• 23:23Laci Mosley?

  I don't think that you're that scamable. I think that we all are scamable because we all have needs. So sometimes a scammer will find that need. And when you were working in Blockbuster Video, which has the harshest fluorescent lighting and like the saddest people coming in. It's all just like dads who are divorced and they have their kids for the weekends.

• 23:48Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 23:49Laci Mosley?

  And they're like, go out, pick up some Mike and Ices and your favorite movie and tell your mom how much fun we had. This is fucking depressing.

• 23:57Speaker 04

  That is tea, though. That is like literally everyone that shows up.

• 24:00Laci Mosley?

  Someone looked you in your eye. I know, because I was there with my real dad.

• 24:06Laci Mosley?

  Fuck, I hope he doesn't hear this.

• 24:11Laci Mosley?

  But I remember going to Blockbuster so much as a kid, like too much, too many times.

• 24:18Speaker 03

  Blockbuster was the babysitter.

• 24:20Laci Mosley?

  He was like that and go see all of your relatives so they can see that I'm a dad. Like those were the things. It was like, go to Blockbuster and everyone see that I'm a dad. That's what we did.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  He goes to your family and says, hey, I'm dad. Hey, look, me, I'm dadding. I'm dadding, yes? Okay, we gotta go bye.

• 24:37Laci Mosley?

  Look at me having my child and looking after her. Everybody look. Turn the music off. Everybody look. Turn the music off.

• 24:47Laci Mosley?

  I loved all of your scams and your frauds. He really tickled me. Scams!

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• 26:58Laci Mosley?

  Let's get into it. Our first stop on the show is what's hot in fraud?

• 27:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my God, I feel like Oprah.

• 27:13Laci Mosley?

  Love this. So what's hot in fraud? Keep it up. I love the clapping.

• 27:20Laci Mosley?

  So what's hot in fraud? We're gonna start with Klarna. Klarna needs layaway, AKA layaway. So people are saying Klarna to paying the company that has led, this basically has led to $136 million in debt for the first quarter of 2025. So we're talking about now. Everybody's being financially impacted and they are no longer paying back Klarna. So more Klarna customers have had trouble repaying their buy-now-pay-later loans and like short-term lender, right? This is like a short-term lender. I don't know if you've heard about Klarna, but if you haven't, it's a system that basically allows you

• 28:05Laci Mosley?

  to purchase things that you can't afford and you make four payments and then you can afford it.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  It's online layaway.

• 28:13Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, online layaway. Someone was like, layaway.com.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  It's Swedish layaway. Okay, we get it. Cool.

• 28:21Laci Mosley?

  So shoppers using buy-now-pay-later services tend to be younger than the average consumer, which always reminds me of like being in college. And you know when you're in college and those companies, like credit card companies show up? And they're like, get an American Eagle card. The bitch, the fuck I need that for? Discover made all their money at colleges.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Literally, literally.

• 28:45Laci Mosley?

  They're like, discover debt. Discover more debt.

• 28:50Laci Mosley?

  While buy now, pay later provides credit to financial, like, people who are vulnerable, right? They're vulnerable consumers. The consumers are usually overextending themselves. Consumers spend more when buy now, pay later is offered. And use this to basically dodge payments?

• 29:12Laci Mosley?

  Which leads to them having an increase in overdraft fees and credit card interest payments and fees. The loans are typically marketed as zero interest and most require no credit check or a soft credit check.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  Youngblood.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Oh, damn.

• 29:28Speaker 04

  What if Klarna is run by that man?

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Youngblood, let me tell you what it is. It's online.

• 29:34Laci Mosley?

  Not Youngblood.

• 29:36Speaker 03

  Klarna, that's my momma name.

• 29:41Speaker 03

  Pay later. Zero interest down. I promise you, zero interest down.

• 29:47Speaker 03

  In fact, don't pay for six months.

• 29:50Speaker 03

  I got you.

• 29:52Laci Mosley?

  Not let me hold $60s as Klarna.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  It's the let me hold $60 program.

• 30:02Laci Mosley?

  That makes it official. When you have a program, now I want to sign up. Can I sign up?

• 30:06Speaker 03

  Now we got something new.

• 30:07Laci Mosley?

  Okay, that's cute. So, when Klarna announced its partnership with DoorDash in March...

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 30:18Laci Mosley?

  Nope. That's something different.

• 30:24Laci Mosley?

  So, when Klarna announced their partnership with DoorDash in March, online comments were about Americans taking out loans to buy takeout food.

• 30:34Speaker 04

  Oh, my god.

• 30:35Laci Mosley?

  Similar skepticism emerged when Billboard revealed that more than half of Coachella attendees used installment plans to finance their tickets to the music festival. Oh.

• 30:51Laci Mosley?

  Lady Gaga was headlining.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  At Coachella eating Popeyes that you ain't paid for.

• 30:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, what's worse? Going, okay, listen, if it was Batshela and I had to go into debt, look, I'ma do that. That lady, yes, thank you, thank you, the hive is here. That lady takes all my money, like, she really does. And it's like, bitch, we are broke, and she's like, come get these hair products. You know what I got in my hair today? Some sacred.

• 31:21Laci Mosley?

  Did I wanna buy it? No. Did she force me? Yes. Do I love it? Yes. That lady always got her hand out, and I'm mad, but I'm like, here, damn.

• 31:33Laci Mosley?

  But do I go into debt if I want, like, Chipotle, but I don't wanna leave my house?

• 31:43Speaker 03

  That's not worth it.

• 31:44Laci Mosley?

  You need food to live.

• 31:47Speaker 05

  I feel like the original layaway was you had to pay it all the way down before you got it, right?

• 31:52Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:53Speaker 05

  And so now Klarna is messed up because they let you have it first. Yeah, that's dangerous. Expect people to finish paying? Why?

• 32:03Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 32:04Speaker 05

  Why would anybody do that?

• 32:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. They're like, I'm at Coachella, I'm not paying the rest of this money.

• 32:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm here, I saved it.

• 32:13Speaker 03

  You can't take my memories.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. What are you gonna do? Make me delete Lady Gaga's performance?

• 32:20Speaker 03

  See, that's some sci-fi shit right there.

• 32:22Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 32:23Speaker 03

  Where you could do something on layaway, but if you don't pay, I'm taking the memory back. It never happened.

• 32:28Laci Mosley?

  Why you Black Mirrorin' us?

• 32:31Speaker 03

  That is Black Ass Mirror, that is.

• 32:35Speaker 04

  Blacker Mirror.

• 32:36Speaker 03

  Blacker Mirror.

• 32:38Laci Mosley?

  Tyler Perry presents. Now I have a mirror.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Black Mirror.

• 32:46Speaker 03

  Mirror.

• 32:51Speaker 03

  I just saw Beyoncé click.

• 32:54Speaker 04

  Madea plays a scientist responsible for the...

• 32:59Laci Mosley?

  And you know what? How she would make people lose their memories, she would throw hot grits on them.

• 33:05Speaker 03

  You can't make me put...

• 33:08Speaker 05

  It's a real mirror with toothpaste stains on it.

• 33:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh no.

• 33:14Speaker 04

  Tyler Perry, we are writing this for you.

• 33:18Laci Mosley?

  And we know you'll take it, okay?

• 33:20Speaker 05

  And please pay us, we accept Klarna.

• 33:25Speaker 03

  Hey, don't say that out loud.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  That's gonna happen in showbiz soon.

• 33:31Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, it's for easy payments, one, two, three, four.

• 33:35Laci Mosley?

  We all get ours, I don't know.

• 33:37Speaker 03

  Let's go.

• 33:37Laci Mosley?

  We do it? I don't know. You know it's only take Tyler Perry 45 minutes to write it. Okay, so we gonna get our money faster than normal, okay? The length of a Coachella festival ain't... Tyler Perry don't need all that to make a series, okay? So Biden did try to regulate this. He made the Truth in Lending Act requiring disclosures, refund processing, a formal dispute process, and other protections. The Trump administration, they aren't enforcing that.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Whoa.

• 34:11Laci Mosley?

  Shocker.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  Surprise, surprise.

• 34:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, I'm gagged. Let me get up, I'm leaving.

• 34:20Laci Mosley?

  They said that, in quotes, "in interest of focusing resources on supporting hard-working American taxpayers." So instead, they're more focused on keeping, like, the enforcement and supervision resources focused on pressing threats to consumers, because Klarna is not one, particularly servicemen and veterans. And so now I will tell you, young people are using Klarna, and they've also seen a rise in black and Hispanic women using Klarna. So, of course, the Trump administration is like, "Put all of them in debt."

• 35:02Laci Mosley?

  They want young people to join the workforce that's not making them any money, and they definitely don't want black or brown women getting up to do anything, Elbow. So, I mean, are we shocked?

• 35:15Speaker 04

  No.

• 35:16Laci Mosley?

  No. So, consumer advocates maintain that without federal oversight, customers seeking refunds or in search of clear information about buy-now, pay-later fee structures and interest rates will have less legal recourse. Which basically means, you can't sue, because they didn't tell you what they was gonna do. And...

• 35:39Speaker 03

  Klarna is operating out of a digital van.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  That's what that sounds like to me.

• 35:47Laci Mosley?

  But also, I love the irony of a company that's putting people in debt, being in debt.

• 35:56Laci Mosley?

  Good. Don't pay them back. Klarna gonna close before y'all gotta pay them back.

• 36:01Speaker 04

  It's like not having to return the DVDs.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  And having Blockbuster shut down.

• 36:10Laci Mosley?

  Oscar's story is an inspirational one.

• 36:13Speaker 03

  What if Victor was gonna come back, but the Blockbuster closed and he didn't know where to find you?

• 36:18Speaker 04

  And he's looking for me somewhere.

• 36:20Speaker 03

  And he's wandering. He's just wandering.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Oscar, oh my god. Where are you?

• 36:25Speaker 03

  I've got the English patient and "l'ouf, l'ouf, c'est moi pour ce jeu de...

• 36:31Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, this is like a Hugh Brandt movie.

• 36:35Speaker 03

  He's just a boy with a DVD looking for another boy.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 36:42Speaker 05

  I'm sorry I couldn't come back, Oscar. I went to war. These movies helped me through the war. I watched them all on my portable DVD.

• 36:51Speaker 04

  I got drafted while I was watching...

• 36:53Speaker 05

  You won't believe it.

• 36:54Speaker 04

  "It's a mama, ça bien."

• 36:56Speaker 05

  I got drafted.

• 36:59Laci Mosley?

  Wait, okay, so this reminds me...

• 37:00Speaker 04

  He'll come here in like a military uniform. And I'll be like, "Yes."

• 37:06Laci Mosley?

  This reminds me, I can't get too tangential, but when I was in school, I learned Spanish from just speaking it as a child. And when I was in school, I took Spanish because it's like, you already know it, like, take the, you know, it's like taking English.

• 37:21Speaker 04

  Which is a class.

• 37:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. And very hard. They're both hard. But I remember I had this one, I was gonna call him a professor, child, this was high school.

• 37:32Laci Mosley?

  He was not a professor. Um, Senor Cory.

• 37:36Speaker 04

  Senor Cory?

• 37:37Laci Mosley?

  Cory was not of any Spanish-speaking descent.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Not even Cory?

• 37:43Laci Mosley?

  No.

• 37:45Speaker 04

  You ain't putting the hilarion in there.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  You're also a maestro Cory.

• 37:50Laci Mosley?

  That's too much accent.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  Hey, what's up? This is Spanish class. I'm Mr. Corey.

• 37:58Laci Mosley?

  No, he was still speaking Spanish, but it was like Benaventidos. Yo soy señor Corey. And so he mostly played soap operas. And he was like, this is the best way to learn.

• 38:14Laci Mosley?

  And then sometimes he would play these small, like, short films, like Spanish short films that were, like, artistic. And he played this one called Adios, Mama. And maybe I fell in love with Scams and Adios, Mama. I don't know. If you've read my book, it's probably when I was five. But he played this, this, uh, short film. And in the short film, there's this old lady, like, shopping for groceries. And then there's a young man who is in front of her in the checkout line. And she looks at him, and her eyes start to well with tears. And she says, "You look just like my son who died."

• 38:52Laci Mosley?

  And he goes, "Oh, my God. I'm so sorry." He checks out. And then, when he's checking out, "Oh, I fucked it up."

• 39:05Speaker 04

  You had me wrapped, Lacey.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  I was in.

• 39:10Laci Mosley?

  There's one detail that matters.

• 39:12Speaker 03

  He too, Tambián.

• 39:14Laci Mosley?

  She was in front of him in the checkout line. It just matters. Um, so, she says this to him. And then, she's ringing her groceries through. She goes through the checkout line. She's going to leave. And she just waves goodbye to him. And he goes, "Adios, Mama." And then he rings up his loaf of bread and eggs. And the cashier's like, "It's $200."

• 39:41Laci Mosley?

  And he was like, "What? I only got bread and eggs." And the cashier's like, "Your mom said you were paying."

• 39:50Speaker 04

  He's like, "I was just trying to make some toad in the hole. All I wanted was a little toad in the hole. That cost $200 now?

• 40:00Speaker 04

  Y'all take Clorox."

• 40:05Speaker 04

  It was a Klarna commercial.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  That wasn't no sure film, that was a Klarna commercial.

• 40:11Laci Mosley?

  They're like, "Figure out how to pay us back." Whatever it takes. So next in what's hot in fraud, you're on top peak. Chrisley Knows Trump.

• 40:23Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I know.

• 40:26Laci Mosley?

  So Todd Chrisley was serving a 12-year prison sentence in Pensacola when Julie Chrisley had been sentenced to seven years at a facility in Lexington, Kentucky. The couple is now headed home to Nashville. Shout out to Nashville, I will be there June 24th for the Global Fraud Conference.

• 40:48Laci Mosley?

  But now they're going back to Nashville, according to CNN. The Chrisley Knows Best couple was sentenced for conspiracy to defraud banks out of more than $30 million and also found guilty of several tax crimes, including attempting to defraud the Internal Revenue Service. How do we feel?

• 41:10Speaker 05

  Lock their asses up.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  All I know is, we didn't get another Blade movie

• 41:19Speaker 03

  for years.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  Where what?

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Because...

• 41:25Laci Mosley?

  Let him cook, let him cook.

• 41:25Speaker 03

  Because Wesley Snipes

• 41:30Speaker 03

  got tax advice that said, Wesley thought that he was being... Wesley's a very intelligent man. He was given advice that he thought, because if you read, and I'm by no means, trust me, I pay my taxes because even if there was a big loophole, I'm not gonna take chances, because you will not see me on Third Street Promenade going,

• 41:53Speaker 03

  no. I'm gonna keep my house. But he, he thought that there was a loophole about the taxes being unconstitutional. He got advice from somebody.

• 42:05Laci Mosley?

  He protested taxes?

• 42:06Speaker 03

  And they threw him under the jail. We didn't get any Blade until Deadpool, we got that Blade. If he had to stay in jail for that amount of time... He needs and she needs to be in jail. I don't know them personally. I have nothing against them. But I do say if you are trying to, especially the defrauding, the IRS, the infrastructure that is in place, then you need to still be in jail. What's the, what's the upside? Like when you get a pardon, it's supposed to be something about, oh, you're, you're gonna add something to society.

• 42:40Speaker 03

  But now you're, you're just letting them out of jail? I'm sorry, I just got mad because I really liked Blade.

• 42:48Speaker 04

  As you should. Stay mad, stay mad for Blade.

• 42:51Speaker 03

  And, and we could have had a major league three?

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  Or four.

• 42:55Speaker 05

  Oh, we did have one, it was terrible.

• 42:56Speaker 03

  Oh damn, well, never mind.

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, four, four, yeah, four. We could have had a four.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  What's a movie where he was on a plane?

• 43:04Speaker 03

  Uh, um.

• 43:04Laci Mosley?

  That was Samuel Jackson.

• 43:05Speaker 05

  Con Air?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  No.

• 43:06Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  You know which one I'm talking about.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  U S Marshals.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  Because I was his passenger fifty seven.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  Passenger fifty seven. We could have had a passenger fifty eight.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  And a fifty nine and a sixty.

• 43:20Speaker 03

  But we didn't.

• 43:21Speaker 04

  But we didn't.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  Thanks.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  Shaking my damn head.

• 43:23Laci Mosley?

  I mean.

• 43:24Speaker 03

  Shake, shake.

• 43:26Laci Mosley?

  I'm of two minds. One, the Internal Revenue Service is criminally underfunded. And I know we're always like, fuck the IRS, we shouldn't fund them. We actually should, because they can't go after the big fishes because they're underfunded. So they go after everyday Americans and don't start paying them more than a, a five figure. Then they're like, oh, you got it. We just randomly gonna charge you for stuff. And they don't have receipts. We have to have so many receipts and they have none. Um, and then if you need a refund, oh baby, I've been waiting almost two years for the refund. And the IRS keeps asking me for money. And I'm like, can you dip into what you owe me or not? We can't do that? Okay, bet. But then my other mind is.

• 44:14Laci Mosley?

  I am a southern belle.

• 44:18Laci Mosley?

  And there's just something about a southern drawl. And meeting a man who you know is definitely homosexual, but he loves the Lord.

• 44:27Speaker 04

  Thank you. Thank you.

• 44:30Laci Mosley?

  And they're like, "Come, sit on my porch. Have some sweet tea. What's your social security number?" And they're also like, you know, "We don't like black people, but you're, you're one of the good ones."

• 44:47Laci Mosley?

  And you know it's wrong. And you know you should say something. And then they grab you, "Oh, your hair's so pretty next to me." I know, I got a handful of it. But I'm like, "You're too old to be teached." That's not even the word, it's taught. I can't even come up with it. But I just know too many southern white people like this. And I was like, "I don't know, let them be free."

• 45:10Speaker 03

  Doesn't he have a black grandkid? Yeah.

• 45:13Laci Mosley?

  He does. But see, that's one of the good ones. The black grandkid one of those. You think they still don't hate Negroes? They hate us bad. But they're like, "But you, my grandson, get up here on my lap. You're Papa's baby."

• 45:29Speaker 05

  He did get up and use his press conference today to say that black men in prison are treated unfairly.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  He did say that.

• 45:34Laci Mosley?

  See, he be having, he be, he be having some...

• 45:37Speaker 03

  That's worth two years off of a sentence.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  Good for you, two years off your sentence.

• 45:44Laci Mosley?

  He used his power for good. Now, look, everybody who gets released by Trump gotta say, "Thank you, Daddy Trump." You got to. That's what you have to do, otherwise you're gonna lock your ass back up again.

• 45:55Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry, if I was in prison right now, would y'all not want me to just be like, "Oh, my God, Trump's so cool." So I could be free? How much y'all love this podcast?

• 46:09Laci Mosley?

  Y'all know I'm lying, but come on!

• 46:15Speaker 05

  My Instagram post would be like, "Thank you."

• 46:20Speaker 04

  Your Instagram post?

• 46:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  That's how you would announce it.

• 46:25Speaker 05

  That's what NBA Youngboy posted on Instagram. What are you doing? Yeah, he posted like a long thank you to President Trump for letting me out. And if I had, if I got out at the hands of Trump, I would just be like, "Thanks so much."

• 46:38Laci Mosley?

  Trump was like, "Free all my homies. I don't care what they did." And then he went into office and literally started freeing all the homies. Now, they're evil homies, but he's an evil guy.

• 46:48Speaker 05

  It's interesting who he chooses too. Today, somebody asked him like, "Are you gonna free Diddy?" And he was like, "Well, Diddy used to like me a lot."

• 46:57Speaker 05

  He doesn't quite like me as much anymore. He's like, "Got into politics, he doesn't like me anymore." But, and I was like, "Oh."

• 47:03Speaker 04

  That's a good Trump.

• 47:03Speaker 05

  Diddy ain't getting free.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Because he also said that he has to look at the evidence.

• 47:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. I haven't been paying attention. I have to look at the evidence. But Diddy used to like me a lot. That's what he said.

• 47:15Speaker 04

  Well, there are pictures of him.

• 47:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. Oh, Trump was at the freak-offs.

• 47:19Speaker 04

  A hundred percent.

• 47:21Laci Mosley?

  Although, I don't think that Trump is a sexual guy. I think he was like, "I have a lot of weird friends. They like creepy things. I'll be a creepy guy for them." I don't think he actually like enjoys, it was all like, it's like why he and his baby hands are still...

• 47:36Speaker 04

  Wait, you think Donald Trump is asexual? Do you think he identifies as ace?

• 47:42Laci Mosley?

  Look at that man!

• 47:43Speaker 03

  That's a pretty sexual picture right there. He's like...

• 47:47Speaker 05

  "I don't know. This one, this one."

• 47:53Speaker 04

  "I have a condom in one hand."

• 47:57Speaker 05

  "I'm playing fifty-fifty."

• 48:00Speaker 05

  Todd Grisley, NBA Youngboy.

• 48:04Speaker 03

  Thank you.

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• 49:42Speaker 04

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• 49:55Laci Mosley?

  The moment that there is a compound that someone in a lab thinks it would be effective to treat a certain disease, it takes about 10 to 13 years from that moment to when that drug is on a shelf for a patient. A big part of that gap could be computationally solved. Better simulation of compounds, designing drug trials that are more efficient, that would finish faster. That was...

• 50:21Speaker 04

  The motivation to bring computational tools and technology closer to biomedical researchers. Learn more about how Cleveland Clinic and IBM are using AI and quantum computing to revolutionize biomedical research at ibm.com/smarttalks.

• 50:44Laci Mosley?

  So our last What's Hot and Fraud, before we show this, I chose this because it's a Texas story. I am from Texas. Yes. Thank you. Yes. You're from Texas? Ew, ew. See, we know. What's up? You better be the loudest in the room. I know that's right.

• 51:07Laci Mosley?

  And I also think that Carl, in particular, will enjoy this story. So I'm going to take you on a little bit of a ride here. Are you from Texas?

• 51:13Speaker 03

  No, Mississippi.

• 51:14Laci Mosley?

  No, he's just gonna, he's from Mississippi and he's gonna understand.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Y'all are from the real self.

• 51:20Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yes.

• 51:21Speaker 03

  Because I'm from Orlando, so that's like the...

• 51:24Laci Mosley?

  I'm so glad you got out of Florida because you told two scary stories about Florida. I was like, I am so glad.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  But you're from Texas and Mississippi. Those are scarier than Florida. No, you know what? I take it back.

• 51:36Laci Mosley?

  Did you not have white people who thought you were the good ones?

• 51:39Speaker 03

  That's why I take it back. I take it back. I've got so many more stories you don't even know. Yes. Okay, please, go on.

• 51:47Laci Mosley?

  So we're moving on to turkey leg beef.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:53Laci Mosley?

  Lyndale Leroy Price is accused of arson. I want to say first, that is the blackest name.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  Now, you know he says young blood.

• 52:05Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 52:07Laci Mosley?

  Very much says young blood. So he's got the turkey leg hut and he is accused of arson.

• 52:15Laci Mosley?

  Show of hands, who thinks that he burned down his restaurant? Okay, we've got some strong, okay. Oh, this one was reluctant. You were right there in the glasses. You were like, it was like this, duh. Okay, okay. Well, I can show you better than I can tell you. So we're going to watch a little bit of a new segment here. Oh, my God. Okay? It's a video. That Price paid $1,400 to have his ex-business partner's bar, 5015, blown up nearly five years ago. This is surveillance video from that early morning in June.

• 52:46Speaker 03

  of 2020 when masked men poured gasoline all over the patio before that fire that then caused an explosion and destroyed the building. An indictment unsealed last week alleges that Lynn Price orchestrated this plan. The owner of that bar allegedly

• 52:59Laci Mosley?

  I don't like the organization of the gas pouring.

• 53:03Speaker 07

  They're going to catch on fire.

• 53:06Speaker 03

  Figure it out, figure it out.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  Lynn Price brought him to be part of the ownership team.

• 53:12Laci Mosley?

  Like, did y'all take shots before y'all did this? Like, why are y'all?

• 53:14Speaker 03

  Selling crawfish, apparently using the Turkey Leg Hut supplier. The owner said Lynn Price called screaming and hollering and threatened to blow the place up. So in the past, Lynn Price went to federal prison on tax fraud related charges. Once he got out on supervised release.

• 53:30Speaker 07

  I love that lady.

• 53:30Speaker 03

  Alleged that he's been involved in other criminal activity, including paying a co-defendant in this arson case to steal vehicles and heavy machinery. The FBI agent testified under oath that same co-defendant admitted to bringing truckloads of hydro marijuana from California that would be stored at the Turkey Leg Hut and then got sold at the restaurant in custom branded packaging. Smoke turkey.

• 53:59Laci Mosley?

  So.

• 54:03Laci Mosley?

  I might have talked over this moment, so I do want to clarify. Lindell Price had a former business partner. His former business partner, he was trying to get involved, right? So he brings him a box of cash and says, do you want to be a partner in the Turkey Leg Hut? The former business partner is like, please take your box of cash away. I don't need it. And Lindell and them, this is fine for a little while. The other co-founder, right, or whatever, he ends up making a bar that is across the street from the Turkey Leg Hut. And then one day Lindell finds out that his former business partner is selling crawfish

• 54:49Laci Mosley?

  using similar seasonings and the exact same supplier. And so Lindell thought, well, I have to blow up this bar.

• 55:01Speaker 07

  It's not even burn it down, it's blowing it up.

• 55:04Speaker 03

  It's very Shakespearean.

• 55:08Laci Mosley?

  Do we think Lindell was right or wrong?

• 55:15Speaker 03

  What if one of us really was like, "I can see his point."

• 55:18Speaker 05

  I get it.

• 55:20Speaker 04

  Somebody's like, "I would do that."

• 55:23Speaker 05

  I mean, what would you rather have? A big ol' bowl of crawfish or a turkey leg?

• 55:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, but what do... Does he only sell turkey leg at the Turkey Leg Hut?

• 55:30Laci Mosley?

  No, he only sells weed.

• 55:33Speaker 03

  Duh.

• 55:37Speaker 04

  So then, what's the seasoning here?

• 55:39Speaker 03

  It's under...

• 55:40Laci Mosley?

  You ain't never had no seasoned crawfish? See, this is why Carl would understand. We are from the South.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  No, if he's selling weed, what's the seasoning that he's putting on the weed then?

• 55:53Laci Mosley?

  Oh, listen.

• 55:54Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 55:55Laci Mosley?

  Hold on, hold on. I'ma take my mic off, 'cause, um... I need you to say that again, so everybody can understand. What can you put up in a craw... a turkey leg or a crawfish? You can get shrimp Alfredo, crawfish. They... he stuff it with all the stuff you want in there. It's a little southern... little southern food. Mm-hmm. What's your name, dear? Jasmine. Thank you, Jasmine. Jasmine is absolutely right.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  Okay, Jasmine. Knowing what you know now,

• 56:26Speaker 04

  would you still go to the Turkey Leg Hut?

• 56:29Laci Mosley?

  Nah, nah.

• 56:34Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I feel... Okay, first of all, black people loving Alfredo.

• 56:39Laci Mosley?

  Woo, and for a while, I knew a salmon hated to see us coming.

• 56:45Laci Mosley?

  But we have moved on to stuffing other things with things. But Carl, I know you know about a mud bug.

• 56:50Speaker 05

  Yes, absolutely.

• 56:50Laci Mosley?

  And how they get seasoned. I'm gonna let you take the floor.

• 56:53Speaker 05

  You boil it... you boil the seasoning in it. So, you probably have gone to, like, Shrimp Lover or something out here, and they give you crawfish if y'all have gotten there. And they put all the seasoning on the outside. That's Vietnamese style. That's not how we do it in the South.

• 57:05Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  Except for, like, Houston, Texas, they do it like that. Because a lot of Vietnamese people moved there in the 70s after their revolution. Anyway, you are the hood can bird.

• 57:15Laci Mosley?

  I told you he was gonna know. I told you he was gonna know.

• 57:17Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  The history of...

• 57:19Speaker 04

  This man is an anthropologist.

• 57:20Laci Mosley?

  I didn't talk to him about this beforehand. He had no idea this was coming. I just knew he was gonna know.

• 57:25Speaker 05

  But in New Orleans, in the Gulf Coast area, you boil the sea... you boil the crawfish in the seasoning. And there are special blends, and you can taste the differences. And I know he got his and was like, "That's mine."

• 57:37Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 57:38Speaker 05

  "This place needs to go."

• 57:46Laci Mosley?

  Wayne, your thoughts?

• 57:50Speaker 03

  No, just thinking about it, that is that thing that, that, did he get so mad because the packets of seasonings, like you say, that it's almost like they've got street names like drugs, like, like, like, this is Caribbean gold? And this is, this is Frosty, and like, it's his, it's a proprietary blend?

• 58:07Speaker 05

  I mean, it probably wasn't that serious. I think he probably just saw a competition.

• 58:11Speaker 03

  It wasn't that serious. He beeped blue.

• 58:13Speaker 05

  No, it definitely was not that serious.

• 58:15Speaker 04

  Now, could you, could you imagine if it was that serious?

• 58:18Speaker 03

  Because I was thinking that it had to have been that serious.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, he would have blew up the whole block if it was that serious.

• 58:26Speaker 04

  It's jar, it's so insane to me, because the picture that you showed, it was a man in a, it wasn't even a hut, like, the turkey leg hut.

• 58:35Laci Mosley?

  Can we go back to the man in the hut?

• 58:36Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a, it's, it's turkey leg.

• 58:39Speaker 03

  Tent. Everybody's my turkey leg pop-up.

• 58:44Speaker 05

  He did have a restaurant, though.

• 58:46Laci Mosley?

  He did. He had a brick and mortar.

• 58:48Speaker 03

  This is the auxiliary.

• 58:49Speaker 04

  Oh, I see. It's a satellite. It's a satellite. I see, I see. I mean, I was just taking a look at him, and I'm like, I can't, he's scary to me, those arms. He don't have to blow anybody up, he could just crush me.

• 59:04Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. Wayne, I know you were joking, but I do think it's a little Shakespearean. What if this is Old Verona, you know?

• 59:11Speaker 03

  It is. I was thinking, yes.

• 59:12Laci Mosley?

  Montagues and the Capulets.

• 59:15Speaker 04

  What the hell are you saying?

• 59:16Laci Mosley?

  And the crawfish.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  The two food sellers of Verona. One made of turkey leg, the other of the sea bug.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  Two gentlemen, two opposing forces, equally fighting over the Lord's seasonings.

• 59:32Laci Mosley?

  Listen.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  I see that you have prepared it, not in the Vietnamese style.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  Nay, not I, for mine are prepared deeply and blended so that they are intrinsically bonded like that of the Lord's.

• 59:46Laci Mosley?

  But wait, what soft smoke from yonder window breaks? Is that hookah?

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Verily, 'tis the good shit.

• 1:00:04Speaker 03

  We should write this now.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  Tyler Perry.

• 1:00:13Laci Mosley?

  Oh goodness. Well, I'm gonna say it quickly, but I can see his point.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  Lacy, Lacy.

• 1:00:22Laci Mosley?

  He offered him a shoebox of money. And that man turned him down and then he started using his supplier and biting off all his shit. Y'all had never watched Modern Family when it was closets, closets, closets, closets against Jay Pritchard's business that I can't remember the name of? This is serious.

• 1:00:42Speaker 05

  He also said the threat, like, "It'd be a shame if this place got blown up."

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  Why do people do that? Don't threaten the thing you're gonna do. Like, do your dirt, but don't...

• 1:00:54Speaker 05

  Say you're gonna do something else. "I'll shoot you, man." And then blow the place up.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  He threatened me, but I said I was gonna shoot you.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  Okay, you're right. I forgive you.

• 1:01:07Laci Mosley?

  I don't know. I don't think it's fun to blow a place up if nobody knows. Like, I feel like I could be like, "Yeah, I don't know, around 5 o'clock, I got two drunk dudes who are gonna come in here full on Hennessy and turkey legs."

• 1:01:23Speaker 04

  I also love that he didn't hire arsonists to do the job. Those were family members.

• 1:01:29Speaker 05

  Those were his cousins.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Those were coworkers at the Turkey Leg Hut. They're saying, "Fuck, I gotta work overtime. I gotta blow up a competitor's store."

• 1:01:38Laci Mosley?

  Yo, what if it was a fry cook? And he paid them only $1,400. And it didn't say each, so it might have been $700 each.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  Maybe it was 700. Who knows if the one took advantage of the other one? He's just like, "I'll take 800, you take the rest." We don't know any of those details.

• 1:02:00Laci Mosley?

  Oh, no.

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  I brought the gasoline, listen.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  I bought the COVID mask. I got the mask. We'll be caught if we don't have these COVID masks on.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Oh, hell.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  I drove.

• 1:02:14Laci Mosley?

  I went to the gas station and got the little red cans. Okay, we can't do it without the red cans. And also, you know that was, they was literally, they were literally at the Sunco filling up red cans of gasoline to burn down an establishment. You know what?

• 1:02:31Speaker 05

  You know, he called him after, like, "Did y'all get it done?" Like, if he was a mob boss or something. "Is it done?"

• 1:02:37Speaker 04

  "Hey, get it done, or else I blow up your business." "Wait, I work for you." "I'll blow it up anyway."

• 1:02:46Laci Mosley?

  Oh goodness, well, now it's time to get into the main event. Historic hoodwinks.

• 1:02:55Laci Mosley?

  So, in perhaps the biggest sneaker scam in history, a hotshot on, oh, someone said, "Oh shit." "Oh no, you bought from this man." A hotshot online reseller made sneaker heads an offer they couldn't refuse, and that he couldn't back up. Now he owes customers 65 million for shoes he never delivered. He promised them Jordans, and all he gave them was air.

• 1:03:30Laci Mosley?

  So, this is Michael.

• 1:03:34Speaker 04

  Y'all are saying, "No."

• 1:03:38Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, I'm gonna garble that last name, so I'm not even gonna say it. You're a sneaker head. Malekzade is the CEO of Zeta Kicks. And honestly, I thought that sounded like Jadakiss. And as someone who has been mistaken for his girlfriend on an airplane...

• 1:03:56Speaker 03

  Who's Jadakiss's girlfriend?

• 1:03:59Laci Mosley?

  I was Jadakiss's girlfriend on a flight to New York. Apparently. I just turned around and was like, "I gotta turn this air off, you cool with that?" And I was like, "Is that Jadakiss?" And then I just turned back around, and then they were like, "Oh, they didn't serve my food 'cause I fell asleep." "If you fall asleep on a red eye, you're not getting shit." And I was like, "Damn, um, hey y'all, can y'all give me my food?" And they were like, "Oh my god, we're so sorry." "You Jadakiss's girlfriend?"

• 1:04:24Laci Mosley?

  I've also been mistaken for being Kit Cuddy's girlfriend. That happened at Sony. I was sitting in a green room waiting for a meeting. And they came in and they were like, oh, it's time to go. And I was still sitting because Kit Cuddy and his entourage got up. But I was like, that's not my meeting. And they were like, no, you too. And I was like, oh, maybe they're taking us to both of our meetings. So I was walking and they were like, you Kit Cuddy's girlfriend, right? No. Do you think these men date black looking women? What are you like, I'm visibly black sweetheart. Go find a Latina looking woman, child. Okay. When you get rich, you gotta, you gotta stop dating dark skin people. So if you're a man.

• 1:05:07Laci Mosley?

  Anyways, so that was just a strike.

• 1:05:10Speaker 04

  Who's giving these people the, this advice?

• 1:05:14Laci Mosley?

  Listen, my dream couple is Angela Bassett and Courtney B. Vance. They hold it strong. I love that. Thank you. The black women are, yes, you get it. So anyway, this is Matt Michael. I'm not saying that last name. Kyle, Kyle did it for you. He's the CEO of Zeta Cakes. And this is a photo that he actually posted. Where the building's on fire.

• 1:05:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, is that, oh, is that wallpaper? Or is that just like a Photoshop picture?

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  Turkey leg hut didn't get his shoes. They shared a wall.

• 1:05:52Laci Mosley?

  The turkey leg hut was selling sneakers and weed. Okay, fair enough. So let's find out a little bit about who Zeta is. So Michael, not saying his last name, was born in Eugene, Oregon, where the Nike company is also founded. And graduated from the University of Oregon in 2005. He enrolled in the Art Institute of Portland to study footwear design, but dropped out. Oh, my gosh, isn't that like the rich white man fantasy? I went to college, but I dropped out because I knew everything. I love it. In 2010, he worked for a Nike store in the Portland area

• 1:06:33Laci Mosley?

  and was fired for reselling items that he was buying with an employee discount. I mean, I'm not really against that. He was hooking up the homies. I'm not mad yet. So in 2013, Mike made sneaker reselling his career. He borrowed about $20,000 from his father, as we all do.

• 1:06:55Laci Mosley?

  You know. You guys want to do that? You don't want to do that?

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  Uh, that's funny.

• 1:07:00Laci Mosley?

  No? I'm alone?

• 1:07:04Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I didn't ever tell you guys I was a good nepo, baby? Yikes.

• 1:07:11Laci Mosley?

  But so, he did this to start an online sneaker resale company called Zadeh Kicks. Carl, have you ever been on this website?

• 1:07:18Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:07:19Laci Mosley?

  I'm looking at your shoes and they're telling me you're lying.

• 1:07:23Speaker 05

  Nah, I keep it traditional. StockX is the farthest I get into this.

• 1:07:28Laci Mosley?

  Okay, and we had one person yell out, "Yes," when they heard StockX. Okay. So, this is his boo thing, right here, okay? So, the same year that he started, like, his business, he started dating Bethany Mockerman. She needed a last name change.

• 1:07:48Speaker 04

  To his?

• 1:07:51Speaker 03

  You know, at that point, just keep hers and hyphenate it.

• 1:07:54Laci Mosley?

  Oh, that's a mouthful.

• 1:07:55Speaker 03

  Mess everybody up.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  She's like Rumpelstiltskin. Say my name.

• 1:08:02Speaker 04

  I'll give you your money if you say my name.

• 1:08:05Laci Mosley?

  She gotta become a troll bridge. She gotta be under a bridge, answer my riddles three. If her name is gonna be Bethany Mockerman Melz...

• 1:08:19Laci Mosley?

  It's the only way to vanquish her. So, she ended up becoming Zadaya's chief financial officer. The company made it to the top 1% of all Shopify merchants, like merchants, by 2020. Mike sold high-salt after, like, limited edition sneakers from brands like Jordan, Nike, and Yeezy. Sneaker resale is now $6 billion. Like, that industry is, like, making $6 billion now. Per year. So, it's very... Y'all really love shoes.

• 1:08:56Laci Mosley?

  You know, they always be like, "Women be shopping."

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  When men do it, it's not shopping, it's investing.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  It's called a hobby when men do it.

• 1:09:11Laci Mosley?

  So, on Instagram, the 39-year-old showed off his Ferraris. And this is him with his expensive cars. Remember, this is Portland, Oregon, so it's constantly overcast, so you're really not gonna get the best lighting.

• 1:09:29Laci Mosley?

  What do we think of the, "You know I had to just do it to him" pose? What do we, do we like that?

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  I thought it was like, are you, did you get into a car accident? What's happening here?

• 1:09:40Laci Mosley?

  He being fresh.

• 1:09:42Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:09:43Laci Mosley?

  No?

• 1:09:44Speaker 03

  He's one squat away from a prison pose. All he has to do is just go a little lower.

• 1:09:51Laci Mosley?

  And what would be wrong with that?

• 1:09:52Speaker 03

  Nothing, nothing.

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  I don't under, what is, what is he do, what is this? What is this?

• 1:10:00Laci Mosley?

  You're like, "You can't see me." "You can't see me."

• 1:10:04Speaker 03

  "I can't see you, so you can't see me."

• 1:10:07Laci Mosley?

  He got his foot on his necks. Y'all think he got his foot on his necks? Okay, maybe this will do it for you. He has, like, very expensive watches. Mm-hmm. And he poses next to food with them.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  What the heck?

• 1:10:22Laci Mosley?

  We've got a box of pizza.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  That one watch doesn't look like it's finished.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  That's the most expensive one.

• 1:10:29Laci Mosley?

  That's a GR, here, go.

• 1:10:32Speaker 04

  Here, no, it does not look finished.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Put a face on it, and then I'll buy it.

• 1:10:39Laci Mosley?

  You're so practical.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  Why are there so many circles on a watch?

• 1:10:42Laci Mosley?

  Because you don't use it to tell time. You use it to put your foot on his necks.

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  All right, of course.

• 1:10:48Laci Mosley?

  You know what time it is? It's time that I'm better than you.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  Duh.

• 1:10:54Laci Mosley?

  That ass up. Okay, well, how about a $29,000 Louis Vuitton bicycle?

• 1:11:03Laci Mosley?

  Do we like this?

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:11:05Speaker 03

  But nobody's talking about the giraffe?

• 1:11:09Speaker 04

  And that, and that's a real giraffe. That's a real giraffe encased in gold. It's a baby giraffe.

• 1:11:17Laci Mosley?

  It survived the mold process.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  It's being kept alive.

• 1:11:25Speaker 04

  Yep, yep, yep.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  With a special cooling system.

• 1:11:29Speaker 03

  Oh, that's where we draw the line? That's where?

• 1:11:33Laci Mosley?

  No, I'm with you, Wayne. If your giraffe can't move, isn't even...

• 1:11:36Speaker 03

  Come on, man.

• 1:11:37Laci Mosley?

  We rich, okay?

• 1:11:40Speaker 04

  This is so, it's like...

• 1:11:40Laci Mosley?

  I wouldn't even know that's a Louis Vuitton bike. That's, that looks like a seven-year-old girl's bike. Where are the LVs? Where's the drip? Where's the...

• 1:11:51Speaker 04

  Also, what shirt is he wearing? Me thinks it's a Katy Perry shirt for some reason.

• 1:11:57Laci Mosley?

  I don't know.

• 1:11:58Speaker 04

  Isn't it giving Katy Perry?

• 1:11:59Laci Mosley?

  It is. I don't know, but it's probably $3,000.

• 1:12:03Speaker 04

  Most likely.

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  I'm too rich for taste.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  I mean, look at the two confusing geometric shapes stacked on top of each other.

• 1:12:11Laci Mosley?

  That's how you know you rich. You gotta get stuff like that, okay?

• 1:12:14Speaker 04

  To confuse.

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  With a random massage chair in the middle of the room.

• 1:12:21Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I'm just saying, you gotta have, like, things to talk about other than being rich, because all your friends are gonna be rich, so you can't just... What are y'all gonna talk about? Being rich? That's boring. So you gotta be like, I got this book on this, uh, this die.

• 1:12:36Speaker 04

  Hey, why don't you come over and watch me play on my bike?

• 1:12:40Laci Mosley?

  I saw a Yahtzee die, and I was like, make it bigger, put a book on it. I don't know, it's classy to me. Seems very classy. So, this is just some information for those of you who don't know. Obviously, someone yelled out "Stock X!", and someone else was like, "Ooh!", so some of you are very informed. But, uh, the backdoor arrangement. So, before starting his own company, Mike purchased older stock from retail stores and sold them on eBay. By developing, like, relationships with these stores that he purchased them from, he was able to secure newly released products, including Jordans in bulk, before sneaker stores had them on his shelves. People in this business call it a backdoor arrangement, because footwear brands are not supposed to do this.

• 1:13:23Laci Mosley?

  They carefully control the products that the retailers are able to order, and...

• 1:13:29Laci Mosley?

  Only authorize a few people to sell stuff online. So, since Zeta Kicks relied on retail stores to supply them through the backdoor arrangements, customers didn't get their shoes ahead of the official release date, but usually received them not too long afterwards. And if you placed a bulk preorder, you would still make a profit since prices tend to go up after a product's release. So, basically, if he, Zeta Kicks, was like, "Oh, y'all get this new shoe that's coming out. You gonna have to wait a little longer for it, but we gonna give you a discount." So, people would do that and they would be locked in. And he had a good relationship with all of these sellers who weren't really supposed to be doing this.

• 1:14:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 1:14:06Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, so the-

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  This is an educational podcast.

• 1:14:11Laci Mosley?

  I know. I had to get into Mother Goose.

• 1:14:16Laci Mosley?

  It kills me. I'm trying to keep it cute and short.

• 1:14:18Speaker 04

  No, I love it. This is, yeah. And who's from, like, who knew this stuff before? Shoe people? One shoe person? Only one person wears shoes here? Work.

• 1:14:31Laci Mosley?

  Y'all not, y'all not ordering shoes like this. You got some nice Nikes on. Those are cute. Yes.

• 1:14:36Speaker 03

  See, I didn't know all the stuff, but I order mine, um, mine, mine from StockX.

• 1:14:41Laci Mosley?

  You do? Okay, that's a reseller.

• 1:14:42Speaker 03

  It's a reseller.

• 1:14:44Laci Mosley?

  Oh, and we heard they're verified.

• 1:14:45Speaker 03

  Verified, yes.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  Okay, somebody works for StockX.

• 1:14:48Laci Mosley?

  It's giving, I'm employed at StockX. Cause we said StockX and they were like, "Woo." And then, Dwayne said, "I only buy from StockX," and they were, "They're verified."

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  You know what else StockX takes? Klarna.

• 1:15:05Laci Mosley?

  Klarna takes StockX. And look, we all know you don't have to pay them back, okay? Maybe use them one time just for kicks, cause they're gonna go out of business. When they file Chapter 11 bankruptcy, that shoe will be free, okay?

• 1:15:21Laci Mosley?

  I'm just saying.

• 1:15:22Speaker 03

  You heard it here first.

• 1:15:25Speaker 04

  And this is news, yes?

• 1:15:28Laci Mosley?

  Very much news, okay? Very, very much. So around like January of 2020, Mike and Bethany, that's the couple, the, you know, Zeta Kicks and his boothang, they started taking orders for unreleased shoes at or near MSRP, which is manufacturer's suggested retail price, regardless of whether they could fill those orders or not, at prices that were not financially feasible for resale. And they did this because retail stores were closing due to COVID, right? It's 2020. And we all remember the day that Tom Hanks got Corona and the NBA shut down in the same day. And we knew it was over.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  That, that,

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  that was the beginning of the end for you? When Tom Hanks got COVID?

• 1:16:14Laci Mosley?

  And his wife Rita. I was distraught.

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  When it touched the Hanks family, that's when we knew it could touch up.

• 1:16:25Speaker 04

  Nobody was safe from COVID.

• 1:16:27Speaker 03

  No. Except Chet.

• 1:16:29Speaker 04

  Chet, yeah.

• 1:16:30Speaker 03

  Lord, me ain't got no COVID.

• 1:16:35Laci Mosley?

  Walk on COVID.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Walk on with COVID. Step right up in front, corin face no more.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Fire bonded jab.

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  Me not getting no jab.

• 1:16:47Laci Mosley?

  Me don't need no jab, boom, boom.

• 1:16:52Laci Mosley?

  Our Jamaican King never got COVID.

• 1:16:55Speaker 04

  Our Jamaican King Chet Hanks.

• 1:16:58Speaker 03

  Lord have mercy.

• 1:17:04Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I don't know if y'all watched that Kate Hudson basketball show on Netflix, but he kinda ate, he kinda snacked on it.

• 1:17:11Laci Mosley?

  I'm glad there's like cultural rehabilitation like that. I'm like, if I fuck up, I just need to do one good project, everybody forget. So.

• 1:17:20Laci Mosley?

  It's 2020, the stores are down bad. And the sources for shoes are now dwindling. So he started to buy more shoes on StockX, paying for many in-demand sneakers at a significant markup, because that's what StockX does, right? Except for the one employee of StockX. Their shoes are so cheap.

• 1:17:39Speaker 04

  We can't comment on that at this present time.

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  She's doing different voices. StockX is great. I concur. I get all messy at StockX.

• 1:17:49Speaker 04

  I know we shop at Shop... uh, whatever. StockX.

• 1:17:53Laci Mosley?

  StockX sponsored a show. We'll talk whoever works here for StockX. We'll talk after, okay? Meet me in the parking lot, okay? So, obviously, this is not sustainable, because now the price is higher than the deals that he was getting when he was back dorm. So Zeta Kicks becomes StockX's biggest buyer, registered under the same username used on Instagram by Bethany Mockerman. The Instagram name is Bethany83. I'm gonna guess she was born in 1983.

• 1:18:27Speaker 04

  Or maybe that's her lucky number, or...

• 1:18:30Speaker 03

  She's a criminal genius.

• 1:18:33Laci Mosley?

  So on LinkedIn, she described herself as the financial coordinator, financial manager, and CFO of Zeta Kicks. Girl, why are you attaching yourself to a man? Very ghetto, okay? Don't tell nobody you work there. Be like them CEOs for the other health insurance companies after they saw the one get popped. Take your name off the website.

• 1:18:58Speaker 04

  You're not wrong, oh my god.

• 1:19:01Speaker 03

  He's not wrong.

• 1:19:02Laci Mosley?

  There were people on Twitter who were like... There was like some... like, Blue Cross, first of all, Anthony Blue Cross Blue Shield, I feel like I've said this on the show, but like, they... it might have been them or it may not. Remember me different if it's not them. But there was an insurance company basically trying to cut off anesthesia during procedures. And then, the day before, they'd been pushing this into legislation. People were protesting, but it wasn't getting much motion. And then Luigi Mangione, allegedly.

• 1:19:33Laci Mosley?

  Very alleged.

• 1:19:36Laci Mosley?

  It was a setup.

• 1:19:39Laci Mosley?

  It was a scheme that Todd did. That's a very deep Real Housewives cut. If you know, you know.

• 1:19:47Laci Mosley?

  But the day that Brian Evilman got popped, I don't remember his last name, Evilman is good. He got popped, the next day, this insurance company was like, "You know what? Y'all can have as much anesthesia as y'all want."

• 1:20:00Speaker 04

  They listen.

• 1:20:01Laci Mosley?

  They were like, "We take it back. We take it back." You know what? We having an anesthesia palooza.

• 1:20:08Speaker 04

  A whole festival.

• 1:20:10Laci Mosley?

  Y'all come over here and get a tank.

• 1:20:13Speaker 03

  We listen to feedback.

• 1:20:17Speaker 04

  We finally got around to reading those letters.

• 1:20:21Laci Mosley?

  Why feedback gotta be bullets? I hate it here.

• 1:20:25Speaker 04

  That part. They disappeared so fast. They vanished faster than the closing credits of America's Next Top Model. With the girl disappearing.

• 1:20:34Laci Mosley?

  Disappearing.

• 1:20:37Laci Mosley?

  And you know what was funny? They didn't disappear immediately. They thought the girls were gonna be on their side.

• 1:20:43Laci Mosley?

  So they were like, "Oh my God, we're all so mad about this, right?" Everybody on the internet was like, "Well, we don't believe he did it, but if he did..." "Anyways."

• 1:20:52Laci Mosley?

  "Anyways, Chad, what y'all having for dinner?"

• 1:20:56Laci Mosley?

  And they were like, "Let's take our names off." There's also someone on Twitter who, there was someone like, who was talking about how their insurance dropped them when they needed like, emergency care. It was like, on their flight to get a transplant, their insurance dropped them. And then someone retweeted it with all the photos of the board of that insurance company and was like, "Y'all get to work." And after that, after that, every CEO was like, "Let's take our page, our pictures off the page."

• 1:21:22Speaker 04

  Talk to the people from the Turkey Leg Hut. They will get it done. They will do it messily and sloppily, but they will get it done.

• 1:21:32Speaker 03

  The Turkey Leg Hut, Hutch Assassination Squad.

• 1:21:37Speaker 03

  That's what they do.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh. It's a sleeper cell institute.

• 1:21:42Speaker 03

  It is. If you have a problem, they'll be there. Turkey Leg Assassination Squad.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  And the secret word is Alfredo.

• 1:21:54Laci Mosley?

  Oh my god, no.

• 1:21:59Laci Mosley?

  But I think the turkey leg is what we need right now. I think y'all are absolutely right about this. Okay, we just gotta get him a few red cans of gas.

• 1:22:08Laci Mosley?

  They'll get it done. They might catch flame while doing so.

• 1:22:11Speaker 03

  But they'll get it done.

• 1:22:11Speaker 04

  That's fine, that's fine.

• 1:22:12Laci Mosley?

  But don't worry, there's plenty of cousins to come. Okay, like, we're good. So, let's get to when this dream team husband and wife got a little desperate. So, when Mike didn't have shoes to sell, he pre-sold. And Mike bought time with shipping delays. So, they paid some customers back with a combination of cash and gift cards. Other customers got nada. Throughout 2020, shipping delays got progressively worse. Numerous times, Zeta Kicks sold shoes based solely on a Photoshop markup of a colorway that never came to market.

• 1:22:55Laci Mosley?

  He didn't tolerate customers bad-mouthing the company over unfilled orders and delays, and threatened to ban them from buying his shoes altogether. And now I'm gonna need one of, uh, two of you. Maybe three, I think there's a third person in there. Everybody take a line here, and do start at the ending line that I cropped, because I cropped it on purpose. So, we're in a Reddit thread about Zeta Kicks right now. Anybody can go.

• 1:23:22Speaker 05

  I'll do this first one, because I can see, that's the only one I can see moving. Probably a stupid question, but anyone here pre-ordered or bulk ordered the Fragment T S highs and received their pairs yet?

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  Hmm, I'm still waiting for my pair. Just extremely dumbfounded on how he can leave paying customers taking thousands of dollars, just hanging off a cliff with no emails or any updates in sight.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  Data1984 says, "Worst part is that if you ask for any clarification, you get banned from ordering again. L O L."

• 1:23:54Speaker 03

  Well, that's not funny.

• 1:23:59Laci Mosley?

  So, let's get to when they got shady. Online, Mike would talk up his huge numbers while offering endless excuses for shipment and payment delays, charging policies with no explanation, and vague promises of future improvements. So, he basically got online and was like, "Look, we working on it. You know, with shipping, it's like, they defunded USPS. Hillary's emails. Does that do something for y'all?"

• 1:24:34Speaker 04

  I'm still reeling from the news that Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson got COVID.

• 1:24:40Laci Mosley?

  That was very stressful for me.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  Bear with me. Bear with me.

• 1:24:47Laci Mosley?

  So, at first, customers were charged a 20% fee if they canceled a pre-order, according to policies shown on their website. Later, it was 50%.

• 1:24:58Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 1:24:59Laci Mosley?

  So, if I cancel my order, I gotta pay for half my order. Klarna would never do this to me.

• 1:25:04Speaker 05

  Klarna wouldn't do that.

• 1:25:08Laci Mosley?

  It would never hurt me like that. They wouldn't do that.

• 1:25:11Speaker 04

  Nah. Klarna's like the Statue of Liberty. Gimme your poor, black and brown.

• 1:25:20Laci Mosley?

  That's all she want.

• 1:25:23Laci Mosley?

  All she want is us. It does feel good to feel wanted.

• 1:25:29Laci Mosley?

  So, refund rules changed too. In 2018, the company told customers they had to wait as long as 10 months past their order date to cancel without penalty. Instead of cash refunds to every customer, Mike offered store credit-

• 1:25:49Speaker 03

  Oh, come on.

• 1:25:49Laci Mosley?

  And gift cards. So, you know-

• 1:25:53Speaker 04

  It's like, at which moment do you realize you're getting scammed? Is it this moment? Or was it a couple of moments ago?

• 1:26:03Speaker 04

  Because I know that it would take me a while.

• 1:26:08Laci Mosley?

  You establish it at the top.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  It's coming, I promise. It'll be here.

• 1:26:14Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, if I got a few emails that were like, "Hey friend, it's your boy, Mike." And like a picture with him in the Ferrari covering his eyes. And like, "I'm covering my eyes because I'm so ashamed you don't have your shoes yet." I might hold out.

• 1:26:31Laci Mosley?

  You're right about that.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Well, he's ashamed.

• 1:26:32Laci Mosley?

  This is a shoe addiction. And so if I would think of like, loving something so much, like shoes, like, I guess it would be like my love for Beyonce? Like, I've spent a ridiculous amount of money on Beyonce concerts, and thank you so much for your support in my delusion. Thank you for supporting my delusion.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  Hey, Texas, Texas.

• 1:26:53Laci Mosley?

  Texas. I would be like, "Oh, Beyonce said she gonna come back."

• 1:26:59Laci Mosley?

  She said, "Wait at the stadium for her." I might kick out.

• 1:27:04Speaker 04

  She sends a picture of her riding that Louis Vuitton bike. "I'm on my way back."

• 1:27:12Laci Mosley?

  "I know I said I wasn't coming, but I'm on my way, bitch." I'm like, "Yes, I'll wait here."

• 1:27:20Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, so I'm trying to just empathize with y'all because this is, to me, it is feeling like, "You should have known, the flags are very red. Babes, we're at the Grand Prix, but okay." I'm gonna try to go with y'all. Obviously, the gift cards allow them to keep the money. Yeah. And also, when he was saying that, and also the Reddit thread, like when they were saying that if you were to complain, he would basically cut off your supply or access to buying the shoes, it was very much put in my mind like that moment in Seinfeld where there was like the soup Nazi, and he was like, "No soup for you." So if you did anything impolite, he was like, "No soup for you." So everybody just like, basically sucked him off

• 1:28:04Laci Mosley?

  and took whatever they could get because the soup was so good. Sometimes he wouldn't even give you the flavor, you asshole.

• 1:28:11Laci Mosley?

  It's giving that. Like, "Y'all need shoes that bad? I'm judging."

• 1:28:16Speaker 03

  But it's the promise because the language that he would use, it's coming, it'll be right there. So if you have to wait a little while longer because it really is an addiction. A sneaker head, that's crack.

• 1:28:31Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, especially the ones who wrap them in plastic and never wear them. I'm like, put the shoe on, damn. You just wanna look at it, okay, I guess.

• 1:28:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's crazy, man.

• 1:28:43Speaker 05

  Crazy how people do that.

• 1:28:50Laci Mosley?

  I made this whole episode to attack you, Carl.

• 1:28:53Speaker 04

  Carl, how many sneakers do you own?

• 1:28:56Laci Mosley?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:28:57Speaker 05

  Don't ask me that in front of a crowd of strangers.

• 1:29:03Laci Mosley?

  You know what, Carl, I'm a freak.

• 1:29:04Speaker 05

  Let's just say I'm a single man who lives in a two-bedroom apartment.

• 1:29:09Speaker 03

  Say no more.

• 1:29:12Laci Mosley?

  So, eh, let's get to when they started straight up scamming. Can you believe it's been this long? We're just getting to the scams. So this is when they started straight up scamming. So he took all these orders, right? And he took these orders before the shoes hit the stores. And he made over seventy million dollars.

• 1:29:32Speaker 04

  Damn.

• 1:29:33Laci Mosley?

  And he was pricing these between a hundred and fifteen to two hundred dollars a pair, which is cheaper than the expected price, which was like two twenty-five, right? So, right, I'm saying right to Carl, he knows. He's over here like keeping his composure, but I know he fucking knows about these shoes.

• 1:29:48Speaker 05

  I mean, selling these for one fifteen, I would take a second look. One fifteen. But I also would know in that moment, I'm like, that can't be right.

• 1:30:00Laci Mosley?

  Well, I mean, like, some of these people trusted him. Because imagine like back when he had the actual hookup with his like, you know, stores. He was delivering the shoes.

• 1:30:08Speaker 03

  Which is the basis of a good scam, right?

• 1:30:10Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  You build credibility so that, of course, your word can't be questioned because you've delivered in the past.

• 1:30:17Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you say young blood.

• 1:30:20Speaker 03

  Young blood, young blood, I was giving these shoes to you, right?

• 1:30:22Laci Mosley?

  Ask a few questions, how's your life? How much money do you have exactly?

• 1:30:28Speaker 03

  And the next thing you know, you're not eating and you don't have any shoes.

• 1:30:32Laci Mosley?

  That's, that's exactly how it happens. So, Mike was only able to get 6,000 pairs of the shoe. Remember, 600,000 pairs is what he told the girls he was giving them. And he was like, "I got 6,000." So Mike was taking pre-orders for shoes he knew he was never gonna be able to get, right? And he spent more than $10 million on the proceeds of, like, he spent it on luxury go- goods. On luxury goods. Including, see, that's, I don't buy expensive stuff, that's why it's luxury goods, okay? How do you say that word? Nothing's ever been good in my life. So, he was getting watches, furs, handbags.

• 1:31:14Laci Mosley?

  A fur in Oregon is crazy. It rains too much there. You gonna be wet, bro.

• 1:31:19Speaker 03

  The fur gonna be...

• 1:31:20Speaker 04

  No, it's an indoor fur. You don't understand. It gets drafty in the house, so you gotta wear that fur.

• 1:31:25Speaker 03

  Bingo. And that's why you have to hire somebody with an umbrella to walk around with the fur.

• 1:31:30Laci Mosley?

  Oh, like a Fonzworth?

• 1:31:31Speaker 03

  Like a Fonzworth.

• 1:31:32Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I bet Fonzworth knows so much.

• 1:31:35Speaker 03

  We haven't heard anything from him.

• 1:31:36Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 1:31:37Laci Mosley?

  And he ain't gonna say shit. I think he took that umbrella and said, "I'm up for the win."

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  He married Poppins?

• 1:31:44Speaker 03

  He did.

• 1:31:46Laci Mosley?

  He married Poppins to the birds. He's like, "I gotta go. Bye, y'all."

• 1:31:52Laci Mosley?

  So, yikes. He can't pay this back, right? So, the feds say that Mike and Beth also used customer money to help make a down payment on a house and complete about $600,000 of work to remodel it. Okay, classy though. They gutted it. I hope they were on like this whole house or something, or like, you know? So, according to the US Department of Justice, Mike owed more than $65 million in unfulfilled shoe orders by April of 2022. That doesn't include the $20 million they collected in bogus business loans using fudged paperwork.

• 1:32:27Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:32:28Laci Mosley?

  I feel like if I use a blue pen, the bank gonna decline me.

• 1:32:31Speaker 04

  That's right. Yeah. The audacity, I don't know. That's some Caucasian confidence, though. I, I, I do have to say.

• 1:32:39Speaker 03

  That goes back to the Christie thing of, of, of if you went to jail for that kind of fraud, eh, but, but you're released, and pe- people have gone to jail for far less in the, with money-wise, I mean.

• 1:32:54Laci Mosley?

  Wait, we still know you mad about Blade.

• 1:32:57Speaker 03

  I am.

• 1:32:58Laci Mosley?

  We know where this comes from. I love that you're clouding it in like racial justice.

• 1:33:05Laci Mosley?

  But I know it's really about Blade.

• 1:33:08Speaker 03

  I'm doing this for all of our people.

• 1:33:11Speaker 03

  But mostly for Blade.

• 1:33:13Laci Mosley?

  He said Chrisley could never be a vampire.

• 1:33:17Laci Mosley?

  Well, he was a vampire Blade, right?

• 1:33:18Speaker 04

  He was a half vampire.

• 1:33:19Laci Mosley?

  He had a, he had a.

• 1:33:20Speaker 03

  He was the daywalker.

• 1:33:22Speaker 04

  That's right, he was a daywalker.

• 1:33:29Laci Mosley?

  Was it because he was dark skin, he could stay in the sun longer? Just a little bit longer than the other vampires?

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  That's what we were told in Florida.

• 1:33:39Laci Mosley?

  And I know that's in your textbook of education.

• 1:33:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:33:42Laci Mosley?

  Because I ain't teaching y'all nothing else.

• 1:33:44Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:33:46Speaker 05

  I don't need sunscreen. Well, technically I do, but not necessarily.

• 1:33:54Speaker 03

  It's a choice.

• 1:33:56Laci Mosley?

  Like, in like Orlando, Florida, like elementary school, they're like, what do you want to be when you grow up? And then a black kid raised their hand, and they're like, no, no, no, no, you can only be Blade. Everyone else, what do you want to be? Do you want to be president?

• 1:34:09Speaker 03

  You can be president of the vampires, because you're just gonna be Blade. That's it.

• 1:34:14Laci Mosley?

  So, wrapping this up, kicking it behind bars. Mike and Bethany, oh, someone said, alright, you ready to see them go to jail? You say, alright. I hope that alright was because you want to see them go to jail, not because you're ready to leave my damn shell.

• 1:34:31Speaker 04

  About time.

• 1:34:32Laci Mosley?

  About time. Oh, your wife brought you here? Because it was a man's voice.

• 1:34:41Laci Mosley?

  Meet me in the parking lot, let's talk to the shoes.

• 1:34:45Laci Mosley?

  So, Mike and Bethany, oh, I hate to see a baby bitch go down after a man, honey, you ain't had to run these companies. Why did you put this on your LinkedIn, Bethany?

• 1:34:56Laci Mosley?

  I'm sorry, this gives me flashbacks to Orange is the New Black, and basically, the whole storyline was like, dude's got us here. Like, everybody had a flashback, and it was like a man, like, hold this gun. Like, what?

• 1:35:07Speaker 05

  She could have left.

• 1:35:10Speaker 05

  Well, see, now, now the audience has turned on me, and I can really say what I really want to say.

• 1:35:19Laci Mosley?

  Carl is a men's rights activist.

• 1:35:21Speaker 05

  No, I'm just saying. I'm a Los Angeles Clippers fan. And the former owner of the team was Donald Sterling. And in the FX show, Clipped, they made it seem like Shelly Sterling was just like, "I just was following my man," when in actuality, she was the real slumlord. She talked him into being like, "You got to charge these black people way more rent money." She's the reason why we have rent protections in Los Angeles right now.

• 1:35:45Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:35:45Speaker 05

  Yeah. She was the evil one. Women can be evil too. That's equality.

• 1:35:51Speaker 04

  That's feminism right there.

• 1:35:54Speaker 04

  Okay, Professor Tar. Class is in session today.

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  He's on your side.

• 1:36:01Speaker 05

  I'm on his side.

• 1:36:03Laci Mosley?

  Listen, I agree with you. Women can be evil too, absolutely. That's why I love the Handmaid's Tale, which I call White Harriet Tubman.

• 1:36:11Laci Mosley?

  Because white women are like, "Oh, my God, could you imagine if this happened to us?" And black people are like, "It happened to us." You did it.

• 1:36:18Speaker 05

  No, but I mean for us.

• 1:36:20Laci Mosley?

  You did it. Nobody means us. They're like, "Oh, there are some white women who supported it, and they're also getting harmed." I'm like, "Yeah, I hope y'all watch this, and if it helps." If it helps to see so many close-up shots of Elizabeth Moss's face, like, please. Whatever it takes to just, like, not vote against our best interests, I'll support it. I support women's rights. I support women's wrongs.

• 1:36:44Laci Mosley?

  Not someone saying yes. I'll support them that hard. I'm joking.

• 1:36:51Laci Mosley?

  So, Mike and Bethany were charged with wire fraud and falsifying information on 15 bank loan applications.

• 1:36:59Speaker 04

  Dang.

• 1:37:00Laci Mosley?

  Can you imagine getting 15 chances from the bank?

• 1:37:05Laci Mosley?

  Bitch, if something hit before your check, they charge you $35. 15 loan applications, this is crazy. The company owed Oregon over $19 million in unpaid taxes in 2023. Oregon, y'all not gonna see that. As of March 2025, they are removed from the state's list of delinquent taxpayers. Hey, I can scrub up for that. Mike and Bethany filed for dissolution of the company in 2022, declaring itself insolvent and unable to pay millions of dollars worth of debt.

• 1:37:35Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:37:36Laci Mosley?

  Nike representatives have been working with the court-appointed receiver and law enforcement. And, mm, close to 60,000 pairs of shoes were found at the company's warehouse. So that's a little bit of a recovery. Forty-eight thousand Nike shoes, 8,500 Adidas, and about 1,100 pairs of Mike's personal collection. They took his collection, too. That's like someone going into Carl's second bedroom.

• 1:38:04Laci Mosley?

  Taking all his shit.

• 1:38:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, you like have us over and we see the Louis Vuitton bike in your second bedroom.

• 1:38:12Speaker 05

  So this, it's tiny.

• 1:38:15Speaker 05

  I couldn't afford the big one.

• 1:38:18Laci Mosley?

  It's miniature.

• 1:38:19Speaker 05

  Louis Vuitton tricycle. I'm riding around like the dude from Saw.

• 1:38:26Laci Mosley?

  All right.

• 1:38:27Speaker 04

  Would you like to scam?

• 1:38:31Laci Mosley?

  Thank you all so much for coming. Before we go, I do have to ask all of you beautiful gentlemen, where would you like to be found? It could be anything to watch, it could be your social media profiles, any podcasts, anything you have coming up. Where you want to be found?

• 1:38:46Speaker 04

  You can follow me on social media, Ozzy Mo, O Z Z Y. Whoa. O Z Z, I spoke way too fast. O Z Z Y M O on Instagram and Blue Sky. You can listen to Drag Her to Drag Race Podcast, Recap Podcast.

• 1:39:00Laci Mosley?

  Drag Her. You're talking so fast. I do that, too.

• 1:39:04Speaker 04

  Sorry, Drag Her, Drag Race Podcast. And also Eurovangelist, which is a Eurovision Song Contest podcast. And you can follow us at Eurovangelist on Instagram.

• 1:39:14Laci Mosley?

  Yes.

• 1:39:19Speaker 05

  I'll go. You got to go last, brother.

• 1:39:22Speaker 03

  No, I'll go. You're on SNL, man. Come on.

• 1:39:26Speaker 03

  It's easy. I'm Mr. Brady Baby, Mr. Brady Baby on Instagram. Wayne Brady on the official Wayne, Wayne Brady on Facebook, if anybody does that. And check out my podcast, What If? It's an improvised podcast with Wayne Brady and Jonathan Mangum. You can watch Let's Make a Deal during the daytime. Whose Line Is It Anyway? is still on. It's on the CW. And, yeah, that's it.

• 1:39:57Speaker 05

  My Instagram is @dammitcarl, D-A-M-M-I-T-C-A-R-L. And I do a lot of podcasts. And you can listen to them all if you want to. Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook. I have a basketball podcast called The Flagrant Ones. I have a baseball podcast called The Filthy Ones. It's all a part of a Hollywood Handbook Cinematic Universe. And also, me and my good friend Lamar Woods used to host a podcast called XOXO Gossip Kings. Where, oh, thank you so much. And now, I watched for the first time and he rewatched the series Gossip Girl all the way through. And we just launched a new one where I'm watching Sopranos for the first time. And that one's called XOXO Bada Bangs.

• 1:40:40Speaker 05

  So that's all on that Patreon. Patreon.com/HollywoodHandbook. You can still watch Grand Crew on Peacock. Please, I need the money. I have shoes to buy.

• 1:40:53Speaker 05

  I have shoes to buy. And also, watch Saturday Night Live. Saturday Night, Saturday Night.

• 1:41:01Laci Mosley?

  And if you don't know where to find Saturday Night Live, it's on NBC.

• 1:41:07Laci Mosley?

  D-I-V-A-L-A-C-I-D, Divalacy on all platforms. Scam Goddess Pod, if you want to see all these photos that we commented on. And Scam Goddess Pod on Twitter, if you want to talk to me. All episodes of Scam Goddess are streaming now on Hulu. And the first... Thank you. Thank you.

• 1:41:28Laci Mosley?

  Thank you. And all episodes of Going Dutch are also streaming now on Hulu. We did get renewed for a second season, so babes, we're going back to Ireland.

• 1:41:38Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 1:41:38Laci Mosley?

  We're gonna have a good crack. Um, it's not actual crack, y'all. That's what they call fun. And you can pick up my book, Scam Goddess, at all retailers. You can also listen to it on audiobooks. And yes, if you spoke today, see if you wasn't being scary. You will got a free copy with an unhinged signature in it. I don't know what it says. I know there's one that's like, "Where did Ricky Martin go?" So... But I just signed up 300 of them, so they get weird. But thank you all so much for coming and spending your time with us tonight. It means the absolute world. I hope you have a wonderful night, and I hope you all get home very, very safely.

• 1:42:19Laci Mosley?

  And please, congregation, stay kicking it.

• 1:42:31Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess. This has been an Earwolf production in association with Team Coco. Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Our producer is Jessica Cisneros, and our audio engineer is Rich Garcia. Research for the show is conducted by Kate Doyle. Stay scheming.

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