S3 Ep145: Letecia Stauch Murder Conviction Overturned!

On April 2, 2026, the Colorado Court of Appeals reversed the conviction of Letecia Stauch and ordered a retrial after finding that a biased juror had been improperly allowed to deliberate. Letecia was originally convicted in 2023 of the murder of her 11-year-old stepson Gannon and was sentenced to life in prison. Try our coffee! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPodADS:1. https://www. ShopFlamingo.com/CrimeWeekly - Get the Flamingo Starter Set for ONLY $7!2. https://www. RocketMoney.com/CrimeWeekly - Reach your financial goals, cancel unwanted subscriptions, and more!

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• 0:13Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derek Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:18Derrick Levasseur?

  And tonight, we're going to be talking about a case that a lot of people thought was already settled. In 2020, 11-year-old Ganon Stauch was reported missing out of Colorado Springs. What followed was a nationwide search, a disturbing investigation, and ultimately, the conviction of his stepmother, Letitia Stauch, for his murder. She was found guilty and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. But now, in a surprising turn, that conviction has been overturned, sending the case back into the spotlight and raising new questions about what happens next. So today, we're going to be breaking down what led to this decision, what it means legally, and where the case stands now. Now, I have to be honest, Stephanie, and we talked about this very little before we started, but I was not familiar with this case at all.

• 1:02Derrick Levasseur?

  You've referenced it a couple of times in some of our Crime Weekly episodes, but I'd be lying to you guys if I said I was familiar with this case. So I'm going to be learning about it, just as some of you guys are as well, as Stephanie kind of breaks down just an overview of it, because I know very little about this case, but I know you guys were going crazy for it on social media.

• 1:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I covered this case extensively as it was happening. It was one of those cases that, as it was kind of unfolding, I saw it and I was like, there's something not right about this. Okay, it's kind of like a case that I just saw pop up today, where they said this American woman was in the Bahamas with her husband, and they were out on a boat together alone. And then, he said, he came back alone on the boat and said she fell off the boat, but she had the key to the boat in her pocket when she fell off the boat, and then a current just took her away as soon as she fell off the boat. And so it took him a really long time to get back to shore, because he had to basically row the boat, because he doesn't have the... Like, as soon as I heard that, I was like, there's something not right about this case.

• 2:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  And that's what Ganon's case was for me, and so I covered it.

• 2:09Derrick Levasseur?

  You said you covered this on your channel?

• 2:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep, back in 2020.

• 2:12Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, so guys can go check that out. Maybe it's something we cover as well, but obviously...

• 2:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  I've covered this case extensively, so yeah.

• 2:19Derrick Levasseur?

  You've definitely met, the name, I only knew it because of you.

• 2:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  I hate this woman. I hate this woman, Latisha Stauch.

• 2:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Tell me how you really feel.

• 2:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  She is the devil incarnate. She is the absolute worst person. You would not believe the things that she did. So, let's just go over this quickly, because Derek, you're not familiar with it.

• 2:38Derrick Levasseur?

  Not at all, not at all. I've seen a couple of things online. I heard Gannon's name, obviously, but as far as the details, I'm in the blind right now.

• 2:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, and maybe some other people aren't familiar with it as well, so we could use a refresh. So, the Gannon Stauch case, it starts like a lot of cases do. Ordinary, quiet, a normal family, nothing that would make you look twice. And then, Gannon Stauch is home in Colorado Springs on January 26, 2020. He's 11 years old. He's a kid who loved video games. He had a routine. He had a life that made sense. He was with his stepmother, Latisha Stauch. His father was out of town for a work trip. And sometime between that afternoon and the next morning, something happened inside that house, because Gannon was never seen alive again.

• 3:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, January 27, 2020, this is, you know, after Gannon is last seen alive, Latisha calls 911. She says, "Gannon's missing." At first, it feels like every parent's worst nightmare. Maybe he wandered off, maybe someone took him. Law enforcement responded quickly, community mobilized, people searched, share his photo, hold on to hope, but almost immediately, things did not feel right. So, Latisha starts talking, as they do, as Chris Watts did, as they always do, and the story starts changing. Gannon was hurt, maybe he was burned in a candle accident. No, actually, he left the house. No, someone actually broke in and took him. And each version that she told of the story, it didn't just shift, it contradicted everything she'd said prior.

• 4:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then investigators found something that didn't fit any version of her story, which was blood inside Gannon's bedroom. Not a small amount, not something easily explained away. And then there's surveillance footage. So, the cameras show Latisha leaving the house with Gannon.

• 4:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  He seems to be alive and then she came back alone. And at that moment, the case changed. This wasn't a search anymore. It became something else entirely. As investigators dug deeper, more evidence surfaced. Signs of cleanup, you know, buying cleaning products, inconsistencies, behavior that didn't line up with a parent searching for a missing child. Law enforcement then named Letitia as a person of interest. And then the question became not where is Gannon, but what happened to him? Who's responsible? Basically, what did Letitia Stauch do to him? So then we go and fast forward to March of 2020. More than a month later, Letitia Stauch was arrested, not in Colorado, but in South Carolina after traveling across the country.

• 5:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  She was charged with murder, child abuse resulting in death, and tampering with a body. And at that point, investigators were obviously no longer looking for Gannon alive. They're trying to build a case for his murder. Now, later that month, Gannon's body was found in Florida, hundreds of miles away from home. The details are absolutely devastating. He was shoved in a suitcase, basically thrown over a bridge. This obviously wasn't an accident. This obviously wasn't a moment of panic. It was planned, prolonged, violent, intentional. So then the case moves forward to trial. And Letitia's defense, I guess, starts to take shape. She ends up pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. Her attorneys argue that she wasn't in control.

• 5:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  She was suffering from severe mental illness, possibly even dissociation. So now the case splits in two different directions. What happened to Gannon? And what apparently was happening inside Letitia's mind? The trial, it happens in April of 2023. I believe the jury hears everything that the prosecution and law enforcement know. The evidence from the home, the movement across state lines, the lies, the contradictions, the behavior. Letitia's crazy ass behavior. She's in jail, writing letters to the judge. These drawn out letters where she's like, I'm a patriot and I'm being framed and they're poisoning my food in jail and all this stuff. And then you hear the defense's argument, right? Letitia wasn't mentally responsible for what she did.

• 6:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  So they're not denying that she did something, but they're saying that she was just severely mentally ill. And the verdict came, I believe, first week of May 2023. Jury made a decision. They rejected the insanity defense completely. They found her guilty on every count. And like you said, for a moment, it feels like the case has reached its end because the person responsible is in custody. She's been found guilty by a jury of her peers. She's sentenced to life in prison without parole, no chance of release, no second chance. For many people, especially Gannon's family, his mother, his father, his sister, the people that loved him, that was as close to justice as they were going to come. They couldn't get him back.

• 7:26Derrick Levasseur?

  And before you go forward, I mean, just based on the synopsis you've given us, it seems like a

• 7:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  Open and shut.

• 7:33Derrick Levasseur?

  I hate to say it, but a slam dunk.

• 7:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 7:34Derrick Levasseur?

  Like, it seems pretty obvious. She was with him when she left. She comes back without him. He's found later. You know, one plus one equals two, right? And especially because she's lying about it and you have to ask yourself if there was something more to the story that she wasn't involved in, there's another player in the game.

• 7:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, she brought in multiple players that were obviously proven. She said some guy came in and sexually assaulted her in the basement and then took Gannon. She had, and then her and Gannon

• 8:01Derrick Levasseur?

  But initially, she didn't say any of that.

• 8:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Were driving, and no, she didn't. And then her and Gannon were driving in the car and this guy ran in front of the car and made her stop so they could steal Gannon out of the car. As soon as she would realize what the police had found, which is like, okay, we have surveillance footage and we didn't see anybody going to the house. She was like, well, it happened after we left the house, actually.

• 8:19Derrick Levasseur?

  That's a problem. If that's the case, you just say that upfront. You want to find Gannon as much as anybody else. You tell them the truth and you allow investigators to use the actual truthful evidence, the specifics, to try to find Gannon as soon as possible. The fact that you tried initially to give a completely different story, how are we supposed to believe anything you say from that point forward?

• 8:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  This wasn't just, oh, I accidentally killed him and I'm trying to cover it up. There was

• 8:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  He was horribly brutalized. He died of a gunshot wound, multiple skull fractures. Prosecutors said that Letitia had shot and also stabbed Gannon. Uh, this was just, I don't, I mean, once again, her defense team is like, she's mentally ill. She was suffering from a major psychotic break. And based on what happened to Gannon, you'd almost prefer to believe that because you have to wonder how a sane woman who's a mother herself, that's her stepson. So that she's not, you know, technically related to Gannon by blood, but she's raising him, but she's also a mother herself to a daughter that, that is her blood that she did raise.

• 9:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  And she stabbed Gannon 18 times. She hit him four times in the head. She shot him three times and then shoved his body into a suitcase. It's, yeah, like I said, it's almost like I, I wish that she was going through a severe mental break because how could any sane person do this? Uh, the judge in the case, I believe his name is Gregory Warner or Warner. He actually said that this case and Letitia's actions were the most horrific he had ever seen. He gave her two life sentences without parole, plus 12 years for tampering with a body charge, 18 months for tampering with evidence charge. It was just absolutely the, one of the worst cases I have ever seen.

• 10:16Stephanie Harlowe?

  And now we get here to 2026 and it's like, we shouldn't even be hearing this woman's name anymore. She should just be, you know, put it, put in prison, the cell doors closed, die in prison. I never want to hear your name or see your stupid face ever again. And of course she pops back up because the, the legal system, the legal system that we have. So let's take a quick break and then we're going to come back and, and tell you exactly what happened.

• 10:47Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 11:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's not exactly a luxurious experience. Let's just call it what it is.

• 11:11Stephanie Harlowe?

  Not at all. I mean, it was irritation, razor bumps, constantly replacing cheap razors that didn't work, you know, buying a bunch of different cheap razors to see which one worked better. And somehow, you know, I end up paying more for them just because they're razors that are marketed to women. And that's why I finally switched to Flamingo. Honestly, it's changed the whole experience.

• 11:34Derrick Levasseur?

  So what's actually different about it?

• 11:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Well, first of all, it feels like it was actually designed for me. The original razor has five sharp blades, a 360-degree comfort system, and a flexible hinge that actually hugs your curves instead of fighting them. And the handle, I really like it because like I said, these cheap razors I've been buying from the store, plastic, they feel like they weigh nothing. This handle really gives it that luxurious, real experience. It's weighted, ergonomic, it just feels more intentional than those flimsy razors.

• 12:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, so it's not just one of those, hey, make it pink and call it a day situations like you see with all the women geared products.

• 12:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right, exactly. Flamingo was created by women who were tired of that. No pink tacks, no cheap design, just something that actually works. And the shave itself is very important, of course. The finished project is important. It's so much smoother. I noticed way less irritation and my skin stays soft for days.

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  Yeah, and it's not just the razor, right?

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  Wow.

• 13:12Stephanie Harlowe?

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• 13:31Derrick Levasseur?

  All right, we're back. And this is definitely the part that I'm most interested in because the first part that you just told us before the break, I'm sitting here thinking, just as a layman, hearing this for the first time, this is one of the most clear-cut cases you can have. Like, okay, justice was served. It's never going to bring Gannon back. But okay, the least the person responsible is behind bars and won't hurt anybody else. That's, that's the best you're gonna get here? I'll take it. You know, that's what it is. She's behind bars. Life in prison without parole. Justice served. Let's move on. And now, when I hear that, everything that I saw online and the frustration from a lot of you guys, now I understand. Because, real quickly, when I talked to you about this over the weekend, when I told you, because you were away this weekend, you had things going

• 14:16Derrick Levasseur?

  on, was that the first time you had heard about it? Or, because your reaction was pretty visceral, but I didn't know if it was just a reaction?

• 14:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it was the first time I heard about it. But then after you told me about it, I went on Instagram and I saw all the messages. People had been, yeah. So what was my reaction?

• 14:29Derrick Levasseur?

  I literally was like, Stephanie, and I didn't even pronounce her name right. I was like, yeah, that girl, Letitia, Letitia Stowich. And you're like, you're like, Letitia Stauch? And I was like, yeah. And you like, are you kidding me? And you started, I could tell you were like, searching as you were talking to me. And you were like, which is a rarity, you were speechless. You were like, are you kidding me? And I ruined your night, essentially. But...

• 14:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  I think I said more like, are you effing kidding me?

• 14:56Derrick Levasseur?

  That was, that was, yeah.

• 14:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  I was livid. I was like, I was thinking, like, is he getting bad information? There's no possible way. There's no possible way.

• 15:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, people are talking about this one that she got off, or it's gonna be a new trial. And you're like, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, yeah, that's, that's it.

• 15:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Well, here, let's figure out what it's about. Because, once again, it's some stupid bullshit that, that, like...

• 15:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  Why do the worst people always get all of these chances to, to continue torturing us? Like Lori Vallow?

• 15:26Derrick Levasseur?

  Our justice system, baby.

• 15:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Uh, boy, like Elizabeth Smart said, "We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system."

• 15:32Derrick Levasseur?

  The offenders have more rights than the victims. The victims are no longer here, so F them, right? Who cares about them?

• 15:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Uh, so, the Colorado Court of Appeals has overturned the first degree murder conviction of Letitia Stauch due to a procedural error. Uh, let's burn it all down. So, uh, the ruling said the court may have denied Letitia an impartial jury when it allowed a juror to remain after being challenged for a potential bias. First of all, there was not going to be a person in this country who could sit on that jury and be impartial, because what she did to that little boy, if you can be impartial about that and not just be absolutely outraged, disgusted, and want to see her face the electric chair for it, then I, I don't know what kind of person you are. But there, there's really,

• 16:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  in cases like this, when it's so cut and dry, as you said, it's not like a Casey Anthony where, you know, I think she's guilty, but where there's just really, you know, she's denying it still. Letitia admitted to it, but then her defense said she had a mental break. So, what kind of person can sit on a jury like that here, the things that she did to that 11-year-old boy, and be impartial? I don't know. But, basically, Colorado law allows for a challenge of a juror who may have a, quote, "relationship within the third degree by blood, adoption, or marriage to a defendant, or to any attorney of record, or attorney engaged in the trial of the case," end quote. So, in the written opinion, Judge

• 17:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  Nettie Poir said the trial court ruling didn't stand because one of the jurors involved in deliberations was potentially biased. Okay, so, the juror in question said his son-in-law worked as a deputy district attorney in the fourth judicial district attorney's office in El Paso County, which is the county that prosecuted the case. According to the ruling, the juror should have been dismissed automatically because of their relationship to the district attorney's office. This Judge Poir wrote, "to preserve the appearance, if not the reality of fairness, in a criminal prosecution, and public trust and confidence in the criminal justice system." Uh, it's, that's a funny way to put it, by the way. This judge says to...

• 17:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  To preserve the appearance, if not the reality of fairness in a criminal prosecution. What?

• 17:55Derrick Levasseur?

  This is for show, basically.

• 17:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, basically. And, and trust me, I don't think you're gaining any public trust and confidence when a woman like this, who everybody unilaterally hates and thinks belongs in prison, when a woman like that is all of a sudden like, oh yeah, let's overturn her conviction because a juror happened to have a relative who happened to work as a deputy district attorney in El Paso County. Because that doesn't change the evidence. That doesn't change anything.

• 18:28Derrick Levasseur?

  And this is, this is grasping at straws.

• 18:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, it takes more than one juror, by the way, to find somebody to be guilty of murder.

• 18:36Derrick Levasseur?

  For me, it's, it's so much bigger than just this case. I, I have always felt like when it comes to, you want an impartial trial, you want everyone to get a fair shake, but there's such a lack of consideration for the victims' families. Because this is something that doesn't only impact Gannon, even though he's no longer with us, but it affects everybody who cared about him. This is something that was probably the worst time in their lives, and now they have to relive it. So we're, we're so concerned about Letitia and, and

• 19:10Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm not.

• 19:11Derrick Levasseur?

  And fairness to her. I'm saying this sarcastically.

• 19:13Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 19:14Derrick Levasseur?

  And there's very little consideration given to the people who have been impacted by this tragedy and now have to experience it all over again, being re-traumatized. And so there just seems to be no common sense when it comes to our judicial system, right? Like, you have to look at the case itself, and the judge should say, and again, I know there's, there's, there's laws to this, there's statutes to it, right? There's, there's minimum operating procedures they have to follow. But to me, common sense would prevail here and say, listen, yes, there was someone that was on it who may have had a pre-existing, you know, thought about this, but at the same time, based on the overwhelming evidence, we don't think it would have changed the outcome. As the judge, I don't believe it would change the outcome.

• 19:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  Everybody had a pre, this happened in Colorado, and the trial happened in Colorado. Every single person, I mean, this stupid woman. Was going on the news, giving interviews that made her, you know, just like Chris Watts territory, giving interviews that every single person with, with two brain cells to rub together was like, there's something going on here. Every person in the country, much less Colorado, had a preconceived notion. Now, here's what pisses me off because the judge, Gregory Warner, I, I give him huge props because he had to sit there and, and preside over this case, which was terrible. And he told Letitia, basically like, you're the worst person ever.

• 20:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  You suck. And I hope you never see the light of day again. But Letitia's attorney challenged the juror to the judge during the initial trial. And Judge Warner did not dismiss that juror. And we can see a transcript from the court.

• 20:54Derrick Levasseur?

  So what are we talking about here?

• 20:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. That was the judge's decision, right? So now it's almost like, it's almost like her attorneys are saying like, well, you should have known this was going to happen. You should have known we were going to appeal because we challenged this juror and you said you didn't think this was an issue. In fact, Judge Warner said, quote, "I don't think it's a statutory cause and I didn't hear anything else about that fact creating an issue or conflict or something else." End quote. And so basically Letitia's attorneys are like, hey, it doesn't matter what you think. The case law is very clear. No family member of the district attorney's office can serve on a jury. And in this case, it's the father-in-law of one of the jurors. So.

• 21:35Derrick Levasseur?

  This is a misstep in judgment by the judge initially. He should have dismissed this juror. We wouldn't be here right now. But again, now because of this judge's incompetence.

• 21:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  I don't think it was his incompetence. Letitia and her legal team were constantly doing this. It was just-

• 21:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, but he should have dismissed them initially.

• 21:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. I mean, I think at that point, he was like, I'm sick of your bullshit. Let's do this trial thing, right?

• 21:57Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. I mean, I, I get it. I get it. We, we still have more to talk about. I want to get into it because it's a bigger picture, right? Because it's not only about, it's not only about this case. It's the judicial system in general. Let's take our last break. We'll be right back.

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• 24:29Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right, so we're back now. Remember that this goes to a higher court body and then they, they have agreed that the judge should have dismissed, Judge Warner should have dismissed the juror.

• 24:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Shocker, shocker.

• 24:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  One judge, though, argued that Letitia Stauk waived her right to appeal the juror's bias. So this shouldn't even really be like, kind of, an issue that's on the table because attorneys can challenge jurors for cause, but the dissenting appellate judge argued that Letitia's attorneys waived the right to dismiss the juror. So according to the ruling, attorneys had 16 discretionary challenges. Stauch's legal team dismissed seven jurors and had previously challenged the judge for cause, that the judge did not dismiss. There were nine other jurors dismissed under the preemptory challenge. So basically, remember, Letitia's legal team is doing the very most. But this juror was not dismissed in that process.

• 25:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  So therefore, this dissenting judge is arguing that Letitia's legal team waived the right to appeal because they could have dismissed him anyways. They didn't have to wait for the judge to do it, and they didn't. So, I don't know, but what's going to happen now is more important. And this is kind of frustrating. Because we, we kind of went over this with the Adnan Said case, remember? Where we were like, what does it mean if the, the guilty verdict is, is basically overturned now? What does that mean? And, and what, what could possibly happen? And we kind of went over those options where it was like, well, they can basically let

• 26:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  her go, or have another trial, which is ludicrous, right? That you'd have to have another trial, or your only other option is pretty much like, let her go. Because they can't keep her in prison, right? If her murder conviction's been overturned.

• 26:23Derrick Levasseur?

  No. She's an innocent woman, at this point, technically.

• 26:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which is, it's pissing me off so much. So now, they're saying, okay, well, basically what we're going to do is, we're going to talk to the district attorney's office, and then we're gonna, we're gonna put together another trial, if that's what we decide to do. So what does that even mean? What, what does that even mean? So you might not decide to do another trial?

• 26:53Derrick Levasseur?

  Can you imagine the uproar?

• 26:55Stephanie Harlowe?

  I, I don't understand.

• 26:57Derrick Levasseur?

  There's no way this woman walks. I'm telling you right now. There's no way.

• 27:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  So basically they're saying Letitia Stow, thank God, is going to remain in prison as the whole process gets underway.

• 27:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Uh, she should.

• 27:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  To determine if the Colorado Supreme Court will hear the case. The Supreme Court upholds the appeals court ruling. So basically I wonder if it can go to Supreme Court and then Supreme Court can say, hey, we don't agree with the appeals court. Like this is pretty ridiculous.

• 27:25Derrick Levasseur?

  It goes back down.

• 27:26Stephanie Harlowe?

  Hopefully that is what will happen.

• 27:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Usually these upper courts will help correct a wrongdoing at the lower court because they're going to look at it from a more over, uh, an overview and they're going to say, are you kidding me?

• 27:38Stephanie Harlowe?

  If the Supreme Court upholds the appeals court ruling, I'm going to be blown away. I'm going to be.

• 27:45Derrick Levasseur?

  Are we going to Colorado Springs? Are we protesting?

• 27:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  I feel like we should. That's what I was just thinking. How did you know that's what I was thinking? Like I was thinking, how quick can I book a ticket to Colorado?

• 27:55Derrick Levasseur?

  I gotta go just to make sure you don't get arrested.

• 27:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  I will rain hell down on these people.

• 28:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Stephanie's in the street handcuffed to a trash can.

• 28:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  Handcuffed to a trash can? Absolutely not. I'm going to handcuff myself to a Supreme Court judge.

• 28:09Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh my God. Yeah, I definitely have to go.

• 28:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  And stare at him or her in the face and talk about the details of Gannon's case non-stop. Like, uh, like that annoying Patrick Swayze ghost.

• 28:22Derrick Levasseur?

  They don't want that.

• 28:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  When he was haunting Whoopi Goldberg's character and he just wouldn't let her sleep. Like I will non-stop harass these people, but if the Supreme Court does uphold the appeals court ruling, Letitia Stow will be removed from prison. She'll be sent back to the El Paso County jail and they will put the public and Gannon's family through another new trial that will cost taxpayers.

• 28:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Millions.

• 28:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  Money that doesn't need to be spent, but yes.

• 28:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Not millions, maybe hundreds of thousands, but a lot of money.

• 28:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  Okay, appeals court, we're doing it because we want to keep the trust of the public. The public does not want this.

• 28:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. Cause we, we always do everything above standard. We always want to make sure that we get it right.

• 29:05Stephanie Harlowe?

  If you took a poll of the people in Colorado and you were like, hey, guys, now one of the jurors was the father-in-law of a man that worked at the district attorney's office. Um, do you guys mind if we just kinda overlook it considering how guilty this woman is? And what a terrible thing, horrible, violent thing she did to an 11-year-old boy who couldn't have possibly done anything to deserve it? Like, are you guys okay with that? Will we retain the public trust if we just, you know, don't care about this? Every single person in Colorado would have been like, yes, lock her away, throw away the key. We don't care. It was one juror, remember? Enough is enough. So that's where we stand here.

• 29:46Derrick Levasseur?

  I really hope the Supreme Court gets this right and says, listen, whatever technicality they have to go off of, I'm fine with. Listen, I'm not smart enough to know all the statutes or how they can angle this where it's like, well, because of the statute, we don't have to give her a retrial, whatever it might be. But you have an ability to do it, make sure it's by the law. I understand there is a bigger picture here. We want to make sure moving forward that everyone, regardless of how obvious the evidence may be, gets a fair trial. I understand that premise and I agree with it. And it's, it's as important to find the innocent, innocent as it is to find those guilty, guilty. So from a bigger macro level, I understand it and respect it because, let's face it, there are a lot of people who are on trial for crimes

• 30:28Derrick Levasseur?

  they didn't commit. So I understand the standard that in the precedent you're trying to set. This is not the case to make that example. This is not that case. Just based on the minimal information that you've divulged to us today, this is not the one to hang your hat on and make an example out of.

• 30:43Stephanie Harlowe?

  I'm saying, okay, if you kill an 11-year-old child and then get up in the court and you're like, I did it, I stabbed him, I shot him, I hit him in the head, but I was having a slight mental break at the time. And that, I don't even think you deserve a trial at that point, personally for me. That's it. Personally for me, let's go back to the days of just executing people in the public square. You don't deserve a trial, Letitia Stauch. You don't deserve to walk this earth.

• 31:16Derrick Levasseur?

  I may need, I may need to hear more about this case. We may have to cover it. Maybe it's something with, if there, let's hope there isn't a new trial, but if there is. Maybe this is something we cover here where we get into the details and maybe

• 31:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Let us know.

• 31:29Derrick Levasseur?

  There's something in there.

• 31:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Let us know in the comment section of this video if you'd like to see a deep dive, a crime weekly deep dive into Ganon Stow's case.

• 31:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, and real quickly, I'm gonna take two seconds, but speaking of judges, have you seen this thing out of Harris County with Judge Nathan? I want to make sure I get his name right because he's an idiot. Nathan Milleron? Have you seen this yet?

• 31:47Stephanie Harlowe?

  No.

• 31:48Derrick Levasseur?

  So anybody who hasn't watched it, I'll play the video right here real quickly and then Stephanie, you have to see this. It's incredible. It's about 30 seconds.

• 31:56Speaker 02

  Of course you don't. And you're disjoint from the audio here. Yeah, should be. Sorry.

• 32:02Derrick Levasseur?

  Mariah, did I make this up?

• 32:03Speaker 02

  No. Five seconds. You don't have to go far. You're disjoint. Okay, you're good. Okay. False alarm?

• 32:10Derrick Levasseur?

  No, it wasn't a false alarm.

• 32:12Speaker 02

  False negative? Sorry, yes.

• 32:15Derrick Levasseur?

  Don't joke around. I'm serious about this. It was happening. I can't.

• 32:18Speaker 02

  I understand. I'm just saying I can't see it, sir.

• 32:20Derrick Levasseur?

  We're good. Thank you. Get out of my courtroom.

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Fine case supervisor. Jesus Christ. Sick and tired of this [BLEEP] today.

• 32:33Derrick Levasseur?

  And listen, I've had a lot of experiences with judges and I will tell you firsthand, there are some judges who are absolutely awesome people that you go out, have dinner and a drink with, and they treat their job with the respect it needs to be. They have, they understand their position, but they're also very fair and they don't have this God complex like Nathan does. In fact, for anybody, there was an update on this. There's a Harris County lawyer who wrote him an email.

• 33:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  I saw that.

• 33:01Derrick Levasseur?

  And basically was like, hey, listen, you know, you need to apologize to this guy. That is completely unacceptable. And Nathan's response was, I want you to appear before me in court to answer for what you said. And basically they're like, F you. We're not going nowhere. It's not a lawful order. You can't just tell people to show up to your court because we don't agree with you. So that's not going anywhere.

• 33:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  I felt so bad for this IT guy too, because he's

• 33:24Derrick Levasseur?

  Dude, it's terrible.

• 33:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  Clearly, by the way, the judge was just an idiot who didn't know what he was doing.

• 33:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, he's a

• 33:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  And then when he got, when that like obviously was illustrated and the guy tries to laugh it off. He's not like, you dumb ass. You know, like I would have felt like saying like, you dumb ass. The guy's like, ha, like he's laughing it off. And trying to make it light so that we're not drawing attention to the judge's incompetence with technology. And the judge is mad and he's like, don't you laugh? And, and just, oh, so gross, so disgusting.

• 33:51Derrick Levasseur?

  Where's your supervisor?

• 33:52Stephanie Harlowe?

  You look at someone like that and you're like, is this guy who clearly has no patience, who has an enormous ego, who has no, no humility? We want him making the calls?

• 34:06Derrick Levasseur?

  Bingo.

• 34:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's not somebody I want, who, who just has, will hold a grudge from somebody who's helping him and, and berate him publicly because he feels embarrassed for a second? Like what kind of frail baby bitch bullshit that these, sometimes these men do? What is that? You gotta stop.

• 34:23Derrick Levasseur?

  And, and by the way, not only men, I've had some, some women judges as well, just complete jerks and I'm amused, I'm being, I don't want to get demonetized, so I'm, I'm going, I'm treading lightly here as far as my-

• 34:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  So I didn't, so I didn't mean just men when I said, when I say the baby bitch bullshit thing, women will do it in like a different way I've seen. But this like, hmm, like stomping my feet and being like, ah, I'm, I'm embarrassed, so I need to make everybody else like suffer for this. Like that's, that's a weird thing.

• 34:54Derrick Levasseur?

  No, but you nailed it. It, it's overall, the best way to sum this up is temperament. Is this the temperament that you want from a person who is deciding whether someone is guilty or innocent, or whether a traffic infraction or a civil infraction is something worth, you know, ruining their lives over? Like you want someone who is, like you said, has humility, has an ability to empathize or sympathize with, with the person there, still be objective, still hold people accountable, but also a temperament that is above the standard approach, right? He's supposed to represent the best of us. That, when you watch that video, does that represent the best of us?

• 35:33Stephanie Harlowe?

  No, he's clearly triggered and so he's taking it out on someone else.

• 35:36Derrick Levasseur?

  Exactly.

• 35:37Stephanie Harlowe?

  Which is not what you want to see in a judge.

• 35:38Derrick Levasseur?

  No, absolutely not. So I don't want to make it a big deal, it's not enough for a whole crime weekly news, but when we're talking about judges and how they impact families and also the community, just another classic example of it, I have a, you know, there are some good judges, but I have a major issue with- The level of protection that judges have and what they can say and do and get away with it because they have this wall up in front of them. But overall, like Stephanie said, let us know what you think about Letitia's case. If it's something you want us to cover, we've been trying to go with more obscure cases that we feel like you guys really like that. I hate to use the word like, but it seems like that's something that more that you're geared toward right now. And so we're planning on continuing down that road. But depending on how this all plays out, maybe it's something we cover where for anybody

• 36:23Derrick Levasseur?

  who's not familiar with it, we'll do a deep dive on the case. But anything else? Any final words from you?

• 36:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  No. Yeah, please let me know in the comments because I can start putting a series together. We're in the middle of a really good series now, but yeah.

• 36:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, it's a crazy one. Thank you for all the responses and on this both on audio and video with Tom's case. I can tell I didn't realize how big of a case this was and how many people have strong opinions on it. So we'll be back later this week with part two of this series and we have a lot more to cover. So if you're not already watching or listening to that series, make sure you go listen or watch part one. This is a fascinating case and the investigation into it is very questionable. So stay tuned for that. We will be back later this week. Until then, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you soon.