Shanna Moakler: Her Side of the Story

(Originally aired: 1/10/2024) Bunnie welcomes the gorgeous Shanna Moakler to the show this week. She's not just a pop culture icon but truly embodies the essence of being unbothered. Shanna takes us on her journey – how she got into the world of pageantry, modeling and acting, and eventually found her way to the glitz and glamour of Hollywood. Get ready for some real talk as Shanna opens up about everything from the lawsuit with Trump, her relationships, with Oscar De La Hoya and Travis Barker, and where things stand with her family today. Shanna: IG https://www.instagram.com/shannamoakler/?hl=en| OF https://onlyfans.com/shannamoakler Watch Full Episodes & More: YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@Dumbblondepod

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Bunnie XO?

  Hi babies, welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, we have a true icon, one who has lived a full life and not just because of her exes, but because of hard work, tenacity, and her sheer will to shine. Ms. Shanna Moakler.

• 0:15Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 0:16Bunnie XO?

  What you doing?

• 0:17Speaker 01

  That's a nice introduction.

• 0:18Bunnie XO?

  I mean, listen, girl, I fucking, I, I've always loved you, but I really had to kind of study you for the podcast, you know?

• 0:26Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 0:27Bunnie XO?

  And you're so, you're resilient as fuck.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 0:30Bunnie XO?

  And you've been through some shit.

• 0:31Speaker 01

  Yes, I have.

• 0:32Bunnie XO?

  A lot, a lot, and I can't wait to touch base on it. And I feel like the media villainized.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  They're so kind.

• 0:40Bunnie XO?

  They're so sweet, they're so sweet.

• 0:42Speaker 01

  They're so kind to me.

• 0:43Bunnie XO?

  I've never had to deal with it on your level. I'm just now getting into it.

• 0:46Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 0:47Bunnie XO?

  And just the outright lies.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:49Bunnie XO?

  I don't know how you've, you have, are like a pop, a pop culture icon.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 0:53Bunnie XO?

  Literally, like, everybody knows who you are, and if they don't, they fucking, I don't even live under a rock, like, for sure.

• 0:59Speaker 01

  Thank you. Love you more, more.

• 1:02Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I got you, baby, I got you. But I just love that, no matter what life has thrown at you, you've always made it a positive, you've always got back up on your feet, and you've always just been like, you hit like a bitch, and I'm just gonna keep doing me.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:15Bunnie XO?

  And you're outspoken.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  It's east coast.

• 1:17Bunnie XO?

  Ah, I love that. So yeah, let's talk about it. So you grew up in Rhode Island?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was born and raised in Rhode Island. I was born in Providence, raised in a small town called Barrington, and I was born and raised there, and I just always wanted to get into the entertainment industry. So, um, there wasn't a big booming one in Rhode Island, so I started out in pageants. That's how I got into pageantry. And, uh, yeah, I, I graduated high school, I moved to Miami, I modeled there, I went to New York, I modeled there.

• 1:43Bunnie XO?

  Let's, uh, let's, let's slow it down, okay? I can tell you're so used to doing interviews, because she's like, let's get it in all.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49Bunnie XO?

  Well, we're gonna stop right there. So you grew up in Rhode Island. How was your relationship with your parents? Because I know that they both.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I lost both my parents this year.

• 1:55Bunnie XO?

  That is fucking tough, dude.

• 1:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, it's brutal. Um, I'm very grateful that I had my parents for as long as I did. And, and, I mean, it's just one of those parts of life, you know, where you know it's gonna happen one day, but you just are like, no, it's never gonna happen. But, you know, I, um, I'm, they were married for 52 years, and they were honestly like, two of the most incredible human beings, and I'm so grateful that I had them. In fact, you know, I, I, um, I kind of, uh, think that my, I think my strength and my resilience is because of them, because I had such a strong family, um, you know, supporting me through all the craziness and the roller coaster ride.

• 2:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  So, uh, you know, yeah, losing them, this is my first, you know, year without them, and I'm like, I'll cry. I'm like, talking about it, I'm like, I'm gonna start crying. But, um, you know, this is like my first holidays without them, and it's, it's hardcore. It's just, I mean, it's just that part of life, you know, that you just never wanted to have happen, but happened. And so, yeah, it's been, it's been a really gnarly year for me, but.

• 2:56Bunnie XO?

  That's brutal.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they, they were my strength. They always supported me, and they were so good to me. And, you know, without them, I wouldn't be where I am today, and I'm just so grateful. You know, I know, I, I have friends that, you know, didn't even know their parents, and, you know, didn't have that. So I'm just really happy I got to have them for as, for as long as I did. He's so awesome.

• 3:15Bunnie XO?

  Chachi's just sprawled out, dick and, dick and everything, just hanging out right now. Um.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  So cute.

• 3:20Bunnie XO?

  My heart breaks for you. I lost my mom last November, and then I found out my dad has stage four cancer this year, so I'm watching him die. So I couldn't even imagine, you know, what you're going through, losing them.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was prepared for my dad to pass, you know, he was really, I'm the last of four. He was, he was like 85, 86. And, but my mom was like, just a, like a super surprise, you know, so my condolences, honestly.

• 3:44Bunnie XO?

  No, same to you. Um, uh, what, I forgot, now I got all emotional too, thinking about it. I forgot what I was gonna ask. Um, oh, you said that your mom was surprised. Do you think that she possibly died from a broken heart?

• 3:55Speaker 01

  She, she actually died first. She died January 3rd. Yeah, she had a massive, like, heart attack, just out of nowhere, no, no, really healthy and doing well. I mean, I thought I was gonna have her for like another, I thought she was gonna drive me crazy for another 20 years, you know? But, um, uh, after she died, I knew, I knew when one went, the other one would be really close, like some notebook style stuff, you know? So, um, at one point, my dad was just so sick that I just was like, God, like, please, mom.

• 4:20Bunnie XO?

  That's how, that's where I'm at with my dad.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Come take him, please.

• 4:22Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, like, I don't want him to hurt anymore. No, I totally.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:25Bunnie XO?

  Well, back to your childhood. Let's, let's get off the sad subject.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure.

• 4:29Bunnie XO?

  Um, back to your childhood. So when did you start modeling? As a, as a baby, or like?

• 4:34Speaker 01

  No, I started modeling when I was, I went, I wanted to be a model so bad. My dad had this, uh, he was a dentist, and he had this, uh, model from New York who would come to just see him, and she was a Revlon model. And I just, when she would come, I would be like, wow. But I would watch like, you know, Barbie commercials and stuff, and be like, I wanna do that, you know? Like, I don't want the Barbies, I wanna be in the commercial.

• 4:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I always loved that. And, uh, so my mom put me in a John Casablanca's, like, modeling school.

• 5:02Bunnie XO?

  I remember the John Casablanca's. They used to be at the malls.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, they're like in the malls and stuff, and, and my.

• 5:07Bunnie XO?

  Only the real OGs know that.

• 5:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally. And, uh, and, um, I was like 4'11" and like 75 pounds. My mom was like, I don't know how to tell you, you know, not gonna, this is gonna work out for you.

• 5:18Bunnie XO?

  This is a dream you're gonna have, yeah.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  And, but she put me in modeling, and the, uh, the pageant, uh, the Miss Rhode Island Teen USA pageant, uh, people were there. And they were like, you should come do the pageant. I was like 15, and I was like, okay. And I did it, and I placed like first runner up, and then I, I, I finally, I, I just became like a kid model, and I started making bank, like being a kid, like a junior model.

• 5:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 5:39Speaker 01

  And my parents were like, oh shit, maybe like, she can do something with this, you know? Um, because I was doing like national campaigns, but as like a, like, like a kid.

• 5:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  But then I, I finally hit puberty, and I grew, and, uh, and, uh, the next year, I, I ended up winning the Miss Rhode Island Teen USA pageant. I went to Miss Teen USA.

• 5:58Bunnie XO?

  What is doing pageants? Like, I mean, especially at a young age, do you, did you feel like all the competition, how were the girls, like, did it create like insecurities in you? Because I would hate to be judged that young, because I was so fucking awkward as a teenager.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  I guess I looked at it more of like the glamour part of it, like the show. Like, I was like, I wanna be part of the show, and the lights, and the, um, and I was excited to interview and like, you know, share my personality with people, and, um, and the girls were great, you know, you made friends, and they had events for us, and, um, and they would teach you like beauty stuff, you know, and there, there was lots of networking, you know? So like, you know, they would go to John Casablanca's, they would go to modeling schools, they would introduce you to agencies, and that's what I was trying to get, you know?

• 6:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  And so, uh.

• 6:45Bunnie XO?

  Even, so even at such a young age, you really just had your eye on the prize.

• 6:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:49Bunnie XO?

  Like, you knew what you wanted to do.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  I was so ambitious.

• 6:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 6:52Speaker 01

  I was like, I'm gonna, and people would laugh at me, you know, my, I remember being in school and writing down like, I wanna be a model and an actress, and like, it was like out of a movie, that everyone like pointing and laughing, you know? But I was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do it.

• 7:05Bunnie XO?

  You manifested your life.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was like, I'm gonna do, and it's funny, because I always wanted to be a model, and they were like, oh, you're too little, you're too this, you'll never be a model. Then when I, when I became a big model, then they were like, oh, well, you, I was like, I wanna be an actress. And they're like, well, you can't be an actress. And then I became an actress, and it's like, oh, well, you did TV, you can't do movies, you know? It's always like, they always will tell you something, so.

• 7:24Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I was just talking about that on my TikTok Live today. I was like, they said, I forgot what the question was, but I was like, oh, they said, as an entrepreneur, what would you say? I said, never give up on yourself, because you are the only one who's gonna have your back 100%. So no matter if they tell you no, do it anyways. I said, people.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, try, you know? Even if it, it doesn't work out, I mean, there's so many things I've tried and failed at, but you know, you gotta try.

• 7:44Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  And I think just, just even the first step, you know? Just getting yourself out there. That's the hardest part. Once you do that, then you just keep, you know, one step at a time.

• 7:53Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. So take me on this journey. You were doing pageants, and then how did you end up in LA and?

• 8:00Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 8:00Bunnie XO?

  Was that at a young age too?

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I, um, I graduated high school, I moved to Miami, I did season there for, you know, like, um, there. And then I, we all, you know, we follow seasons, and we, I moved to New York, and I competed in Miss New York USA.

• 8:14Bunnie XO?

  What does that mean, follow seasons?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  So in modeling, there's like seasons where, you know, the weather is really beautiful, and all the clients and everyone go to Miami and shoot. And then when the weather gets too hot, everyone goes to New York, and then the weather gets nice there, so then everyone, they follow the seasons.

• 8:30Bunnie XO?

  I never knew that.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, yeah. That's, so that's what I did, and I, I, I loved doing Miss Teen USA so much that I wanted to do Miss USA. So I did Miss New York, and I won that. And then, um, I went to Miss USA. I was actually first runner up, and the girl who beat me went to Miss Universe, so I inherited the title of Miss USA. And back then, we were based in Los Angeles, so I moved to LA to be Miss USA for a year. And, um, and that's how I got to LA. I was 19 years old. I was like the youngest Miss USA in like a decade. It was pretty crazy.

• 8:58Bunnie XO?

  That is so crazy that you accomplished so much in such a short amount of time.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:02Bunnie XO?

  And I feel like people don't focus on that with you. They don't focus on your accomplishments. They wanna just focus on like, comments or shit that gets said, and it's like.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, they wanna focus on who I dated, you know? And I'm like, I have like.

• 9:13Bunnie XO?

  And we'll get, we'll get to that, but that's not you.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's crazy to me, because I'm like, you know, I've, I've really worked my ass off, you know? I've like beat the streets of Providence, Boston, Miami, New York, LA, and I've auditioned for every, everything I've ever done. I've, I had to audition. It wasn't like I was just handed to me. One role was handed to me, but everything else was not handed to me, you know? I don't think people realize that.

• 9:35Bunnie XO?

  No, and I think.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Thank you for that, for you.

• 9:37Bunnie XO?

  Of course. And, and that's really one of the things I wanted to highlight in this interview, is like, you're so much more than what is in the tabloids.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 9:44Bunnie XO?

  And, um, so, going back to you doing all of this, like, where are you living? How are you supporting yourself?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Well, when I moved to, um, LA, when you win Miss USA, you got an apartment in LA for a year, and you got free transportation, and, um, and they flew me. All over the country and I worked with different charities like Special Olympics. I I went to huge Hollywood, um, uh, you know, um, what do they call them premieres and things I and I signed with William Morris and that was like, yeah, that's uh, my career took off pretty quickly. That's when I got on Pacific Blue and uh, became a series regular and um, my yeah, everything kind of took off. So and then after my years over, I crowned Ali Landry, the famous Doritos girl. And um, and uh, yeah, I just got a little apartment in LA and I just hit the hit the streets.

• 10:31Bunnie XO?

  Hit the streets and running baby. So, okay, you're nineteen years old.

• 10:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:36Bunnie XO?

  You're in LA.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:38Bunnie XO?

  How is nineteen year old Shanna feeling? Just like coming from fucking small Rhode Island.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:45Bunnie XO?

  Which is beautiful, but.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, LA was hard at first to get used to, especially coming from the East Coast. Um, East Coast people will come to LA and do pretty good. LA people will go to the East Coast and they usually come back real, real quick. They don't like it as much over there. But um, it was hard, you know, LA's, um, you know, it's a bigger city. It's very spread out and it's very cliquey. People, you know, they see a lot of people come and go. They see a lot of Hollywood people, um, and so they don't let people into their cliques very easy. So it was hard to make friends, but I eventually did and um, I just, I just, I look back now and I mean, I just had the time of my life.

• 11:22Bunnie XO?

  Kind of felt like where your soul belonged.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. This was like home and you know, the my OG, the old crew of Hollywood. I'm actually gonna see them all. Um, we're gonna be celebrating one of our OG's uh, birthdays um, coming up this Saturday and I'll see a lot of the old school people. And it was just like the best time ever. It feels like a million lifetimes ago, but it was like the most amazing, amazing time of my life.

• 11:46Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy? Cause you and I are around the same age. Isn't it crazy to think back to twenty years ago and we're just like, bro, how the fuck did it fly by so fast?

• 11:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's gonna be like thirty years from me. I'm forty eight. I'm gonna be forty nine and I, you know, I moved here when I was nineteen, LA when I was nineteen. And I'm like, how did I like, how did, where did those two decades go? I was like, where's my thirties go? You know, and I'm like, wait, my forties? No. Like, it's so crazy.

• 12:10Bunnie XO?

  Dude, my twenties and thirties were a blur. I grew up in Vegas, so I could only imagine. I, we spent hella time in LA too, so I can only imagine living in that twenty-four seven.

• 12:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's so crazy.

• 12:19Bunnie XO?

  Take me to one of the first premieres that you ever went to. Like, how did you feel? Like, were you excited? Was it like, were you nervous?

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, um, I, uh, god, one of my first premieres, kind of, I don't even know it would be my first one. But I mean, around then.

• 12:35Bunnie XO?

  One of the most memorable ones.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Um, I get, oh god, I have really, I have a really funny story for you. Um, you'll like this. Okay, so I, I was friends with Kato Kaelin back in the day.

• 12:46Bunnie XO?

  Oh my god.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  And he was like, I got a friend who, um, he was like, I got a friend that needs a date to a movie premiere and um, and I'm like, who? And he's like, Bill Maher. And I didn't really know. Back then, he just had like, his show was on like, um, Comedy Central or something like that. I'm not a huge fan of Bill Maher and I'm sorry if you guys all are, but um, I'm not. So, um, but I was like, uh, all right, I'll go. Like, fuck it. It was like, um, it was like this Sean Penn movie, you know? And I was like, okay. And uh, so I go and he, you know, he picks me up and he takes me to this movie premiere and we do like the red carpet and it was like really cool and I meet like all these huge celebrities and all this stuff and um, Francis Ford Coppola is sitting in front of us with his daughter and I'm just like,

• 13:28Speaker 01

  this is the fucking coolest thing ever. I mean, but I'm with Bill Maher, you know, and I'm like, whatever, fuck it, you know?

• 13:34Bunnie XO?

  How old was Bill back then?

• 13:35Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 13:36Bunnie XO?

  Cause he's always been old.

• 13:37Speaker 01

  I think he's like the same age as me, but he's like real fucking proud to have me like on his arm and he's like, with like the guys, like, you know, like, oh, his friends and I'm just like, oh Christ, you know, like, no, like, it's not happening. Anyway, so we uh, after the premiere, Sean Penn goes up to him and he's like, hey, we're gonna go to Jack Nicholson's house.

• 13:56Bunnie XO?

  Good old Jack.

• 13:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, come on, come on up with him. And I had known Jack and I had known Sean, whatever, and we get in the car and Bill puts his like hand on my leg and I'm just like, oh no. I don't want them like, you know, like, no, like, I'm not, no. But um, this is terrible. This is a terrible story, but I don't even fucking care. Like, I can't stand him, so um, this is, this is payback, Bill. So, um, like, he cares. Um, but we uh, so we go up there to like Jack Nicholson's house and you know, and, and it was really fun and, and he's trying to get.

• 14:28Bunnie XO?

  Jack? Jack is a fucking icon.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Oh, he's, he introduced me to my, um, basically to Oscar De La Hoya. I was like at Jack's house and he was like, this is the golden boy, you know? All the ladies love this guy, you know?

• 14:42Bunnie XO?

  I love Jack so much. He's just such an icon.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  He is hot, you know? And um, and then I remember when I, I went out like the, like that week and I met Oscar and I was like, that's the guy that Jack was telling me about, you know? And uh, when Oscar and I actually ended up.

• 14:55Bunnie XO?

  Did you meet Oscar with Bill Maher or?

• 14:58Speaker 01

  No.

• 14:58Bunnie XO?

  Okay, just two separate, okay.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  Two separate, two separate things.

• 15:01Bunnie XO?

  So how did it end with Bill Maher and we'll move on to Oscar?

• 15:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then we'll go over there. Um, so, you know, he's trying to get Sean on his show and he's trying to get Jack on his show, whatever. And then he wanted me to sit next to him and I didn't, I didn't, I was like uncomfortable, so I like.

• 15:14Bunnie XO?

  How old were you?

• 15:15Speaker 01

  I was like twenty.

• 15:16Bunnie XO?

  Okay, just a baby.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I was like a baby, yeah.

• 15:19Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy how like, and Bill Maher's the same age. I swear, how old is Bill Maher? Can we Google that? Cause he was old back then.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  I feel like, yeah.

• 15:26Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he's not the same age.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  He's always kind of looked like the same, yeah. He's like one of those people that like.

• 15:32Bunnie XO?

  Constantly old?

• 15:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, constantly.

• 15:34Bunnie XO?

  You know what I'm talking about? Like Mr. Rogers. Love Mr. Okay, that's what I thought. That's what I thought.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  He was forty when I was twenty.

• 15:43Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy. That's even worse, Bill. Come on.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  So like, yeah, whatever. So, um, anyway, we end up leaving and he was really angry that I didn't like when he was like, when I, when I, like, I moved from sitting next to him. Like, he wanted the guys to think that he had this like hot little blonde with him and I was like, no, I don't want them to think.

• 16:03Bunnie XO?

  Bro, you're like old as shit.

• 16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, um, and in the car, uh, he was like really angry with me and so I just started talking to like the driver and stuff. And then we got out.

• 16:13Bunnie XO?

  I love how nothing phases you, bro. I need to do your birth chart because I know you're in Aries, but what's your moon?

• 16:18Speaker 01

  Um, I think I'm a Virgo.

• 16:20Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha. I could see that for sure. I need to do your birth chart after the show because it's just how unbothered you are is fucking priceless.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Oh, like, I was like, you're gonna ruin my time. Like, I was like, I came out here to like, you know, like, just to have fun, like.

• 16:34Bunnie XO?

  No expectation.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, no expectation. I wasn't here to date you. I was just like, we were just going out as like friends and, you know, whatever. Um, and then he got out of the car, we got out of the car and I remember I walked, I had a doorman. I was on Wilshire corridor back then and my doorman knew me and you know, and he walked in and he goes, I just want to let you know that you are one of the most disrespectful young women I have ever met in my entire life. And I was like, excuse me? And he's like, shh. And I was like, did you?

• 17:02Speaker 01

  Did you just shush me? And I, and he was like, he goes, and I just want you to know, I will never, ever be seeing you again. You should have let those men know that you were with me and you are completely disrespectful. And I was like, first of all.

• 17:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:16Speaker 01

  I was like, I'm not your bitch. I'm not your girlfriend and I don't need to let anyone know that I'm with you. And I was like, and I'm totally fine like not seeing you again. And I remember he left and my doorman was like, what the fuck was that? And I was like, I don't know. And ever since then, I've been like, boo.

• 17:31Bunnie XO?

  Fuck Bill Maher.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, fuck Bill Maher.

• 17:33Bunnie XO?

  Oh god, that is, that's a priceless fucking story for sure.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  I'm like, thanks, Kato fucking Kaelin.

• 17:38Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, where the hell's Kato Kaitlin at now?

• 17:40Speaker 01

  He did Big Brother too, not too long ago, like Celebrity Big Brother, but.

• 17:44Bunnie XO?

  I feel like he pops in at the weirdest times.

• 17:46Speaker 01

  The weirdest.

• 17:47Bunnie XO?

  Like he popped in for the OJ shit.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 17:50Bunnie XO?

  Popped in for like.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  And I did Big Brother and he popped in and did a little stint on there and then just like ran off and.

• 17:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that dude has made a fucking career off just popping in and like being like people's friends. Like, it's just, it's crazy. Yeah. That's what he's known for. I don't, he's not an actor or anything, is he?

• 18:05Speaker 01

  I don't know what he's ever done. Okay. He's a guest house, like.

• 18:10Bunnie XO?

  I know, but he's somehow a fucking household name, so he figured it out for himself, you know?

• 18:14Speaker 01

  Hollywood for you, you know, people can like.

• 18:16Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, for making a name off themselves just, just being themselves, I guess. Being roommates of people.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 18:23Bunnie XO?

  So let's, let's move on. So you, what, how old were you when you met Oscar?

• 18:28Speaker 01

  I was, um, I was like twenty-two turning, I was like twenty-two, twenty-three.

• 18:34Bunnie XO?

  So you had originally met him when you were twenty, didn't really know who he was and then kind of just like, you guys crossed paths again?

• 18:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 18:41Bunnie XO?

  So take me on that gap in between twenty to twenty-two. What are you doing out there? Just?

• 18:45Speaker 01

  I'm working. I'm uh, I'm on uh, the USA show, Pacific Blue.

• 18:49Bunnie XO?

  Yes, I got that list right here.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Working and.

• 18:51Bunnie XO?

  You did a bunch of shows. You did Pacific Blue, you did CSI, Entourage, which is iconic as fuck.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  People love that.

• 19:00Bunnie XO?

  How was it on the, on the Entourage?

• 19:02Speaker 01

  Oh, that, I mean, that's such a great show. And you know, that show was so successful.

• 19:06Bunnie XO?

  So good.

• 19:06Speaker 01

  When you have a show that is so successful and everyone's making money, the set's really fun because there's a lot of money and everyone's really happy. And so it's a, it's a nice place to work.

• 19:16Bunnie XO?

  How were all the boys?

• 19:17Speaker 01

  They're just amazing. Yeah. Kevin Connolly is like so awesome. I've known him forever. He's such a good guy. And, um, yeah, everyone on the, on the show, I love all those guys.

• 19:27Bunnie XO?

  Just amazing. I love that for you. It's just such an iconic show, you know? Um, and you also were on The Wedding Singer.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was my first, that was one of my first roles, um, I ever did. I was at a barbecue. And Adam Sandler was like, hey, do you want to like, that's the one role where he was like, hey, do you want to, you know, be in this movie?

• 19:43Bunnie XO?

  How do you just go to a barbecue with Adam Sandler?

• 19:46Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 19:47Bunnie XO?

  I'd shit my, I'd shit my pants because that's, that's father.

• 19:50Speaker 01

  You know, that's the thing, like, you know, back then, every night you went out, you know, you were just, everyone used to go out.

• 19:56Bunnie XO?

  It wasn't so pretentious.

• 19:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, like there's so many celebrities, you just ran in the circles, like.

• 20:01Bunnie XO?

  That's how Vegas was. Vegas and Hollywood were so much alike. Like, I would go to the fucking Palms and Pamela Anderson would be there. Fucking Anna Nicole, you know, like.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Everyone, the people were just going out. No one had security. It was like really fun. It was like the Playboy Mansion, you know, those parties when he first, you know, lit the candles in the grotto again after his marriage. You know, I mean, those parties were awesome. Everyone went, like Leo and.

• 20:24Bunnie XO?

  Oh, yeah. I think Leo is still partying.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 20:28Bunnie XO?

  I don't think, I don't think he's stopped.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  Pussy posse, yeah. All those guys. And I love all those guys.

• 20:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. So getting into TV.

• 20:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 20:37Bunnie XO?

  How did you get into it? Like, you were like, okay, I'm gonna do TV. I'm done with modeling. I don't want to do pageants anymore? Is that what?

• 20:45Speaker 01

  Well, I won the big, the big one, you know, and so there's really no more to do in pageantry for me. You know, I could have gone and done Miss America, but it's a scholarship pageant for girls that really want to go to college.

• 20:55Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 20:55Speaker 01

  And I wasn't gonna go to, I had no desire to go to college, so.

• 20:59Bunnie XO?

  She's like, I already know what the fuck I'm doing.

• 21:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, I want to, you know, and I, for me, being in entertainment, you know, going to college would have taken years of, you know, where I need to be auditioning and stuff.

• 21:09Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, so, um, yeah, I was just beating the, like, just auditioning, auditioning, auditioning.

• 21:15Bunnie XO?

  How, I have a question though. So, girls literally strive their entire life to make it to that Miss America pageant.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:22Bunnie XO?

  How do, what do they, what is life after pageantry for those girls who are like lifers?

• 21:27Speaker 01

  For a lot of them. Miss America, you know, is, it's not really a beauty pageant. It's really girls that are, have like a platform and really want scholarship money to pay off their tuitions and stuff. So it's more of an interview. They say it's a talent pageant, but it's really more of an interview pageant. And so those girls, you know, they really, they really want to be, you know, they have like a plan already, like they want to be in aviation or doctors, lawyers.

• 21:49Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so there is life out.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's life, like they're going, you know, to go do stuff where in Miss USA, Miss Universe, those girls are more entertainment based. They want to be, um, you know, they want to, they want to be in movies, hosting, acting, modeling. So we always say, um, we always say, uh, you know, Miss America is the girl that lives next door and Miss USA is the girl you wish lived next door. You know, but it's, it's more of a beauty page, it's more based on physical beauty. It's, it's not so much, uh, college based.

• 22:19Bunnie XO?

  All those girls are gorgeous. Didn't Donald Trump used to host those?

• 22:22Speaker 01

  He owned it. Yeah, I worked for Donald for a long time.

• 22:25Bunnie XO?

  Did you meet him? Did he ever grab you by the pussy?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, he and I were in like a crazy lawsuit together and against each other and together. I tried to meet him.

• 22:32Bunnie XO?

  Did he ever grab you by the pussy?

• 22:33Speaker 01

  No.

• 22:35Bunnie XO?

  I just had to ask.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  He wasn't my biggest fan.

• 22:38Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no. What happened? Can we talk about it?

• 22:41Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, we can totally talk about it. It's actually pretty famous. Um, you know, uh, there was my title, I used to, I was the executive director for the Miss California USA pageant.

• 22:50Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  And, um, there, I had a title holder named Carrie Prasine, and she was a very religious girl. And, uh, when she competed at Miss USA, Perez Hilton asked her about same-sex marriage, because at the time.

• 23:01Bunnie XO?

  Perez is coming on the podcast tomorrow.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  Oh, nice. Oh, yeah, yeah. Tell him I said, what's up? Tell him if he says another thing about my daughter Alabama, we're going to the mattresses.

• 23:09Bunnie XO?

  I will. I will tell him that.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  Please tell him that.

• 23:12Bunnie XO?

  I will.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  Um, uh, uh, yeah, I'll tell you a little more about Perez later.

• 23:16Bunnie XO?

  We'll talk about that.

• 23:17Speaker 01

  We'll talk about Perez later too. But yeah, so Perez asked her about same-sex marriage. And at the time, it was very controversial. We had like Prop eight going on and it was a very big deal. We were like marching.

• 23:26Bunnie XO?

  Religious.

• 23:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was, yeah, she was, she was very, yeah, she was very religious.

• 23:31Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  And so she just said that, you know, she stated, you know, that she just felt like, you know, marriage was between a man and a woman and, you know, that was like her opinion. But the way it came across was really offensive to a lot of people, especially in pageantry. There's so many, you know, we have, we have just have a huge gay community.

• 23:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 23:47Speaker 01

  And so, uh, it was really offensive to a lot of people. And then she basically, uh, kind of like breached her contract, started kind of like running all over the country. A huge church, the INOM, it's called the National Organization for Marriage. It's very, it's kind of what created Prop eight and it's very, it's highly funded. And, um, and then, you know, uh, like the Baptist churches from the South kind of latched on to her and wanted her.

• 24:12Bunnie XO?

  I remember that.

• 24:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, wanted her to kind of be like the face of, you know, of anti-gay marriage and stuff.

• 24:18Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  And started paying her like massive money, amounts of money to go to these churches that kind of had like anti-gay rallies and like, you know, associated, you know, homosexuality with like bestiality. It was like awful.

• 24:29Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  So, you know, we were trying to like, be like, you're under a contract. You can't just go do these appearances without us and all this stuff. So Trump at first, we had to go to Trump and be like, we can't control her, like, and she's losing her mind. And he, we had like this big, you know, uh, press conference over at the Trump Towers. It was like Cannes Film Festival with the cameras and stuff. And I wanted her to lose her crown. I thought, you know, her behavior, just the way she treated us was just terrible.

• 24:55Bunnie XO?

  Very pageantry like, you know, because you want little girls to be able to look up and everybody's entitled to their own opinions. But at the same time, it's like, you don't talk about religion and.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  It, it, it got just gross. It got nasty. And we had sponsors, you know, that are like, I'm a gay, you know, we're, we just gave you hundreds of thousands of dollars and, you know, she's, hates me, you know, it was just really bad. Um, and he let her keep her crown and I resigned. I quit. I was like, I'm not supporting this. I'm out. I quit. I made like, I, I mean, I was on CNN. I was on, you know, it was really big news. Ryan Seacrest and, um, and then I think even she, Trump got sick of her. And then Trump, Trump ended up firing her and asking me to come back, which I did. And then she sued all of us. And so, um, she sued Trump and I, and we all had to like go to.

• 25:41Bunnie XO?

  What did she sue for?

• 25:43Speaker 01

  She sued for, um, religious discrimination.

• 25:45Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and so that was.

• 25:47Bunnie XO?

  How did that end up?

• 25:48Speaker 01

  Um, this is amazing. Um, but she, um, she, she, she sued us and, uh.

• 25:56Bunnie XO?

  So you, she was suing you and Trump? You guys weren't suing each other?

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Correct. Yes. Yeah. She was suing Trump. She went after Trump and then myself and my partner in the Miss California USA organization. Um, she had a boyfriend, um, who sent all her, she masturbated a lot and she took videos of herself masturbating.

• 26:14Bunnie XO?

  Well, that wasn't the turn I was thinking was about to happen.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  She masturbated a lot and she, uh, she sent.

• 26:21Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that against religion?

• 26:23Speaker 01

  I'm all for masturbating.

• 26:25Bunnie XO?

  I will leave a snail trail anywhere. I am totally fine for it.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm totally, you know, I'm, please be proud, masturbate and be proud. But she, um, her boyfriend sold all her masturbation videos to TMZ. And, um, now you have to understand that now at this point, she's become, well, she was a little religious, right? She then was getting, making a lot of money with these, with these churches. And so then she kind of became this really very religious woman, but she was not, not to that extent, you know, and.

• 26:56Bunnie XO?

  I always feel like when people are like that, they're always hiding something.

• 26:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:59Bunnie XO?

  I grew up in a very religious environment and my family was the most hypocritical people you could ever meet.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  It's always that preacher who's like, you know, and then he's found in like a motel with the, you know, having a homosexual relationship.

• 27:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, doing weird shit. Yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. So, um, so we ended up the lawsuit, um, you know, presenting that, you know, and, um, she denied it until like the, you know, the camera went up to her face from her vagina to her face, you know?

• 27:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  And then she, she, so we, we settled out.

• 27:26Bunnie XO?

  Oh, good. Yeah.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  Ended it.

• 27:28Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was my first year as a state director.

• 27:32Bunnie XO?

  So why did he not like you though? Just because you quit and you took a stance against him?

• 27:35Speaker 01

  Because I quit and said that I will not support him. I wouldn't support, because you have to understand the contract that she signed is the same contract I signed at Miss USA and Miss USA. And I had to abide by the contract. I couldn't go tell my state directors to fuck off and go do whatever I wanted to do. And, you know, and I felt like, well, why does she get to breach it? Because she's bringing in press? Donald loved press. And it's like, I get that, but like, she's also like killing our business, you know, where our sponsors are dropping and she's, you know, people are offended and.

• 28:03Bunnie XO?

  Hurting people.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Hurting people, yeah.

• 28:05Bunnie XO?

  Crazy.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:07Bunnie XO?

  Okay, so moving on. That story was awesome though.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's crazy.

• 28:12Bunnie XO?

  You're doing TV.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:14Bunnie XO?

  Um, when did you do The Wedding Singer?

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Um, I was about twenty, twenty years old. Yeah, when you did The Wedding Singer.

• 28:20Bunnie XO?

  Billy Idol.

• 28:21Speaker 01

  I did. I met him on that. I met him on, on that set. Yeah.

• 28:25Bunnie XO?

  How's his wiener?

• 28:28Speaker 01

  He was a really good lover. I'm not gonna lie.

• 28:30Bunnie XO?

  I do see I I had a feeling because those rocker dudes for some reason I love musicians and rocker dudes, but they mo- the majority of them, not all of them are pretty passionate.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  He was, he was actually really fun and really cool and he actually was really awesome to talk to. He just knew like a lot about like history and was like really fun conversations.

• 28:50Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  Home and.

• 28:51Bunnie XO?

  He stimulated you intellectually.

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did stimulate me intellectually and he just um, he was just a lot of fun, but I was just so young. I was never gonna like.

• 28:59Bunnie XO?

  Baby.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  Settle down with like anyone. I was like wild as hell. So.

• 29:03Bunnie XO?

  You're literally living uh, everybody's dream, you know?

• 29:07Speaker 01

  He was super fun though.

• 29:08Bunnie XO?

  I love that. So you're doing TV, you're doing these movies. How are you feeling? Did you ever fall into like the drug scene in LA?

• 29:15Speaker 01

  No, I never did. No, I never got into drugs. Um, I wasn't even like too much of a drinker really, you know? I just was high on life, just running around and I just wanted so badly to, to be a movie star and to break into movies. And I just was very um, not, I wouldn't call myself like a star fucker because I just ran in those like circles of people.

• 29:37Bunnie XO?

  Back then, I don't even think that was a thing. Now it's more like clout chasers, but back then it was like, it was where you were and who you knew.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, people were just everywhere. So you couldn't avoid.

• 29:47Bunnie XO?

  You didn't pursue them. You literally just ran into them. Yeah.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  But I um, I just was, I just was so zoned in on just being successful and, and I just wanted to prove everyone that in Rhode Island that told me I was never gonna be shit, that I was gonna do it, you know?

• 30:04Bunnie XO?

  I love that. The tenacity is amazing.

• 30:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was awesome.

• 30:07Bunnie XO?

  So, moving on, you meet Oscar.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Yes, I do. Yeah.

• 30:11Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I um, so my, one of my best friends from Rhode Island was a, a security guard at this um, I think it was called, it was a big club in, in West Hollywood, the Eden or something, Garden of Eden or something. People will know that.

• 30:25Bunnie XO?

  I'm looking at my notes. I'm not ignoring, I'm not just taking a phone call right now or anything like that. I literally have.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  No, you're totally fine. You're like, um, sorry, I'm gonna drink. I'm so dehydrated.

• 30:35Bunnie XO?

  You're to- I know you said you were, you said, can we say it? You said you were hungover?

• 30:39Speaker 01

  I'm a little hungover. I actually, I, I've been on this terrible sleep. So I went to bed at like nine o'clock last night, like I told you. And um, and I woke up at like six in the morning and I didn't know what to do with myself. So I went and played like some cards, like some, uh, and I just had like a couple of drinks and I was like, oh my God, I gotta go do this podcast too. I'm drunk. I gotta like.

• 30:57Bunnie XO?

  Mimi's fucking hungover too.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  I gotta get it together here.

• 31:00Bunnie XO?

  Barrel it into like three AM. I was like, I gotta do this podcast in where I'm not drinking with you guys. So.

• 31:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah. So I, my, I went to this nightclub and uh, Oscar, I remember he walked by and I, I used to go run around Hollywood and then I would go to this bar to meet my friend and wait for him to get paid. And we would all go get like pizza or go to uh, you know, whatever after food spots we all used to go to. And um, and he walked by and the other security guards were like, Shanna, do you know, do you know who that was? Do you know that was? That was Oscar De La Hoya. And I was like, oh, that's who Jack told me about. You know, that's what I was like, oh, that's who Jack was talking about. He was really cute. And they're like, do you wanna meet him? And I was like, okay. And so they like brought me over to him and um, and we just like, we just looked in each other's eyes and it was just like ding and that was like it. Um.

• 31:49Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like it was um, some sort of like a connection, like from another life type thing?

• 31:54Speaker 01

  Oh my God, instantly. And I knew, I was like, I'm, and back then I was like, I'm never gonna have babies. Like, I'm never having kids. Like, I'm just gonna like live my life and, and I met him and I was like, oh, I'm gonna have your baby. Like, I was like, I'm going to have your baby and we're gonna be like, and I was so happy. I, I was like, yeah. We had a quite a whirlwind there.

• 32:16Bunnie XO?

  Does he dress up in women's clothing really?

• 32:18Speaker 01

  No, he doesn't.

• 32:19Bunnie XO?

  Cause I mean, I, I remember when that was going down and I was like, well, how do we explain these pictures? What was happening?

• 32:26Speaker 01

  You know, he, he does drink a lot. He had like a drinking problem for sure. And he's the kind of like.

• 32:31Bunnie XO?

  We've all done some weird shit.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  We've all do some weird shit, but he's the kind of drinker that like, you know, he can drink a lot. But he's like wasted off the first shot. You know those kind of people? Like we have to like babysit him.

• 32:42Bunnie XO?

  I feel like some Latin Americans cannot drink, like they can't, like some Indians, they have a really hard time drinking.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  It's like, you know, it's some people's like biochemistry or something like they just like, but like when he drinks like two drinks and he's like, like as if he had fifty, he can drink fifty, but he's like as wasted off the first as he would be like on the fiftieth. And um, so and but he, but he's very fun. Like he's a fun person and he's um, you know, and he loves to sing and he's, and he's very social and he's very charismatic and you know, and he really just, you know, and you know, he's been training. You know, he would train for three, four months in Big Bear at a time. And then, you know, he wanted to like let loose and go crazy after the fights and just be young. You know, he was, he was twenty-five when I met him. And I was twenty-two, twenty-three years old.

• 33:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Oh, you guys were babies.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were like babies. And um, but you know, he's like one of those people that, you know, would like, you know, put like the clothes on just to be funny and silly.

• 33:37Bunnie XO?

  Oh, gotcha. And then somebody took the picture and just made it.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Then tried it to like basically blackmail him, you know?

• 33:43Bunnie XO?

  That is terrible. I just, the media is fucking terrible like that. I've always wondered that. I was like, is that his kink? Cause I know there are some people with kinks like that, you know?

• 33:51Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 33:52Bunnie XO?

  So take me into you guys' relationship. You know, you guys met that night and then it was just a whirlwind romance?

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Six months later and I remember saying to him like.

• 34:01Bunnie XO?

  Did you just move in with him right away?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, we like moved in with each other and we just were like madly in love and I, you know, like he, the, I think our first date, like I went to Big Bear and we took a private jet to Vegas and he took me to like a George Foreman fight.

• 34:16Bunnie XO?

  Oh damn, that's iconic.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was really cool. And I just remember people being like champ, champ. And like, I'd never been with an athlete and you know, there's a difference between fan, like fans of athletes and fans of movie stars. Like there's a real difference.

• 34:31Bunnie XO?

  What's the difference?

• 34:31Speaker 01

  They're just way crazier, way more fanatic, you know, fanatical. And um, and I just was like, this is crazy. And I didn't really know anything about the boxing world or, you know, him really. I just fell in love with who he was. He was very romantic and I just loved his culture and the Latino, like kind of, you know, energy of him. And um, I'm half Portuguese. I'm Portuguese and Irish, but um.

• 34:54Bunnie XO?

  I'm Brazilian and white trash. That's what I always say.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  I love it. Um, yeah, and we just like, we just fell in love. But you know, we were so young and we had so, he, he had so much money and had so much power and he had so many people just pulling at him from every direction. I mean, you know, we just did an HBO documentary and um, I was actually really surprised that he kinda let me be as candid. And he was as candid and really as brutally honest about, you know, his drinking, his drug problem, you know, his womanizing, his sex addiction.

• 35:26Bunnie XO?

  Do you think he's trying to right his wrongs now, now that he's older?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I, I, he, he has, he did me pretty, pretty dirty, you know?

• 35:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, let's talk about that. Cause you had, so you had A- Atiana.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had Atiana. She was about one and a half, two years old. And I knew things were going on. I, you know, they were like.

• 35:46Bunnie XO?

  You always know when they're cheating.

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, you always know.

• 35:48Bunnie XO?

  It's not, it's never fucking not noticeable.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you know, and that didn't bother me so much as like, there were all these third parties. There was like, you know, he had just lost his first fight. And there were lots of new businessmen in and they were making changes and stuff. And basically like um, he went to go do, he went to sing. He was doing like an album and we were like, and I was like, you're singing now? Like what the fuck is happening? Like, it was really weird. Um, but I remember we like, I met him at the Hilton at Universal. Every time I pass it to this day, I still remember. And I met him at the Universal and um, and I just like, was like, do you want this anymore? And he was like, you know what? He's like, I'm gonna go to New York. I'm gonna go do Letterman. And when I come back, we're gonna start fresh. He's like, I want you and the baby. You're my girls. We're gonna start the, you know, he's like, go,

• 36:34Speaker 01

  he's like, go buy some art for the house. Go get some, you know, new things for the house. And when I come back, we're gonna start fresh. And I was like, okay. That was like on a Friday and then.

• 36:43Bunnie XO?

  Do you think he really genuinely in that moment meant that? Or do you think he was pacifying the situation because he wanted to avoid confrontation?

• 36:51Speaker 01

  I'll never know.

• 36:51Bunnie XO?

  You'll never know.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  I'll never know. I, I, obviously I, I, I, it was everything I wanted to hear in that moment. Um, but I'll, I'll, I'll never know. But I, I was, I was in our home, our mansion in Bel Air. And um, my daughter was sleeping in her nursery. My mother was there, my girlfriend, and we were watching the Latin Grammy Awards. And um, and I just remember they were like, Oscar De La Hoya is about to hit the red carpet. Meanwhile, I'm calling him like, hey honey, did you get home all right? Like where are you? You know? And he's not answering. And I kinda like my, we all looked at each other like Oscar De La Hoya is on the red carpet. Like what the, the fuck is he doing there? This is, and it's in LA, you know? So we're like, wait, what? And they go to a commercial break. And so we're waiting and I'm like, what is he doing there? Why the fuck am I not there? Like what's happening?

• 37:37Speaker 01

  And then um, he uh, like comes back and there he is holding hands with his now ex-wife, Millie Cordahey, or I don't know how to say her name, whatever, Millie. And um, and I just time, you, you know, in Kill Bill when that like.

• 37:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. When everything just slows down.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  I mean, I just like, I just remember I lost my breath and I just was like. And he was holding her hand and they were like a couple and I just like I uh my mom I just remember

• 38:03Bunnie XO?

  And everybody had publicly known that you guys were together, right?

• 38:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were a couple.

• 38:07Bunnie XO?

  And they just accepted this? There was no backlash of like?

• 38:10Speaker 01

  There was really no backlash and he was so powerful and the media was just so, he had such control of the media that

• 38:18Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  You know, yeah, I I didn't stand a chance and um and the next day they had a lawyer come to the house and say you and the baby need to you know, need to move out. And I was like, I'm not moving out. I don't, I'm not, I like, this is my home. And you know, uh and it be just became like a world, like a shit show, a whirlwind, like a shit show. And we were in like, you know, we fought for probably like

• 38:39Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever get him back on the phone?

• 38:41Speaker 01

  No, he never called me again. Uh he had his um assistant, Raul, come to me and tell me that he no longer wanted to be with me. And I remember breaking down in Raul's arms and crying. I think Raul was crying.

• 38:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 38:54Speaker 01

  We were both crying and I just was like, is this real? I couldn't even like, I just remember sitting on the balcony of that Bel Air mansion with a bottle of vodka and a cigarette and being like, what the fuck am I gonna do now? And I really thought in that moment that my life was over.

• 39:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  And I was

• 39:08Bunnie XO?

  How old were you?

• 39:09Speaker 01

  I was uh twenty-four years old.

• 39:11Bunnie XO?

  You're a baby.

• 39:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I I like, I, you know, I quit working to, you know, I thought I was gonna be a wife and a mom.

• 39:16Bunnie XO?

  Was he very controlling about your working?

• 39:19Speaker 01

  Yes, absolutely.

• 39:19Bunnie XO?

  Cause I know that culture, a lot of the men do not like

• 39:22Speaker 01

  They did not, he did not want me working. I quit working for him. I quit like everything. So I, you know, at that point, I didn't have like a manager. I didn't have an agent anymore.

• 39:29Bunnie XO?

  And back in the day, you had to have those too, to even do anything.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  There was no social media like we have today.

• 39:34Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  I don't even, I don't even think we have phones like we have. I think we had like a flip phone or something.

• 39:39Bunnie XO?

  The brick phones.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  A Motorola or something, you know?

• 39:40Bunnie XO?

  The sidekicks.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was no uh, yeah, and like literally like doing the, you know, one word, like texting him literally like that.

• 39:47Bunnie XO?

  The T nine.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Exactly. You know, that's how I'm texting him, where are you fifteen minutes later, you know? But um, yeah, I was like, so it's kinda like that. And I, I remember

• 39:56Bunnie XO?

  The fact that everybody could publicly know that you guys were together.

• 40:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:01Bunnie XO?

  And then him be able to just present a new woman on the re- that would never fly the

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Oh, in today's day and age, like, are you kidding?

• 40:07Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:08Bunnie XO?

  And the fact that you just had to eat it.

• 40:10Speaker 01

  I had to fucking eat it.

• 40:12Bunnie XO?

  Behind the scenes, like, did you go through, were you, you were probably going through postpartum during this too, correct?

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Well, no, my daughter was about two, one and a half, two years old, you know? No, I just um, that's why I ended up um uh, you know what he said to me? I, you know, this is so crazy, this part of it, I remember, cause I, he wouldn't see me and I remember I went out to a club and Paris Hilton was there and he was fucking Paris Hilton at that time, even though he was with Millie.

• 40:37Bunnie XO?

  You and Paris have a long, extensive history of

• 40:40Speaker 01

  He was fucking Paris and um, and I got

• 40:42Bunnie XO?

  Even though he was with Millie?

• 40:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, even though he had just started dating Millie and um, and I knew he was there to meet her and she was like hanging out with me and I was just like, why are you hanging out with me? Like if you're and I, and, and he saw me and I, and I left. I left the club and um, he wanted to meet me and so I went and I met him like the next day and I, and he, and it was the first time I'd seen him since

• 41:01Bunnie XO?

  How long ago was it? How long uh after this?

• 41:03Speaker 01

  It was about a month since the Latin Grammy Awards.

• 41:05Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  And um, and uh, we were in the car talking and he uh, he, he came to meet me and I just said to him, I'm like, why did you, why did you do that? Like, why did you internationally humiliate me? Like, you know, like, and I have nothing, you know, I have nothing now. I don't even like know what to, like, how to like move forward from this.

• 41:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. And he goes Meaning, when you say nothing, not monetarily, you're just meaning like your family or you're talking about all of it together?

• 41:33Speaker 01

  I just felt at that point in my life, like my career was over.

• 41:36Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  I had no agent. I, you know, my future. I thought I, I had this whole future planned, you know, and that was like ripped away from me in a matter of twenty-four hours and I just, like, you know, I didn't know, I didn't know what to do.

• 41:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  And he just said, oh, I had a chemical imbalance. That's what he said to me. And I said

• 41:54Bunnie XO?

  What the fuck?

• 41:55Speaker 01

  I was like, okay. And I just was like, well, I don't wanna like, go to the, like, I don't wanna legally go after you. Like, can we like, can you help me? Like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like, where am I gonna live? Like, where, like, what, like, I don't know what to do, you know? And he was like, and he goes, you know, Shanna, he goes, and at that point, we had gone to court and figured out our child support. And he goes, you know, you already took me to court for child support and I'm not happy about that. And he goes, and if you sue me for palimony, he goes, I'm not gonna see you or the baby till she's sixteen years old. And um

• 42:27Bunnie XO?

  Did you guys make out or did you just have a conversation?

• 42:30Speaker 01

  No, we just had a conversation. I mean, I was bawling and I mean, I was still madly, madly in love with him. And I just like, I thought I was losing like, you know, this was the man like I

• 42:40Bunnie XO?

  That you had your first baby with?

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I worshipped, worshipped him. And um, and he said, you know, he goes, I won't see you or the baby till I was, till she's sixteen. And I just was like, no fucking way. No way would you do that. And then he goes, and he got out of the car, I'll never forget this, and he went around to the drive, sitting in the driver's seat, and he knocked on the window and I rolled it down and he goes, I have, I have more money than God. Don't be too hard on me. And he left.

• 43:05Bunnie XO?

  That gave me goosebumps, dude.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  And he fucking left and I sat in that car. I'm only crying, I sat in the car and I cried for like, fuck, man. And I, and I just was like, there's no way. He didn't, I sued him for palimony and I won.

• 43:19Bunnie XO?

  I love that you didn't back down though.

• 43:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I really didn't have a choice. I honestly was scared and, you know, and I, and I was like, and I was saying to him in the car, I was like, well, I don't wanna sue you for palimony. I don't

• 43:29Bunnie XO?

  Like, let's figure this out.

• 43:30Speaker 01

  But can you help me? Like, can, like, I don't even know if I have a fucking car. Like, I don't, like, can you, can you at least like, give me, you know, something so that I, I can raise our daughter in a safe environment and I can put her in a good school and I, I know like I have some uh support or you know, um, security. But he wouldn't, he wouldn't talk to me. So I really didn't have a choice. And you know, in the news back then, they were like, Shanna sues him for two hundred million. I didn't want to.

• 43:54Bunnie XO?

  Not knowing the background of what's going on.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, that was half of his money back then, but

• 43:59Bunnie XO?

  Any woman that has been hurt the way that you were?

• 44:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:04Bunnie XO?

  I think you were pretty fucking nice.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:07Bunnie XO?

  You didn't slander him in the, in the public. I

• 44:10Speaker 01

  I wanted him back. I wanted, I, I wanted him back so bad. But he didn't see the baby and I till she was about sixteen years old.

• 44:17Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 44:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. He didn't.

• 44:19Bunnie XO?

  My heart just dropped. That is, I feel so bad for Ateana.

• 44:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, she, she didn't, you know, didn't know her father growing up, you know, and they've made amends and he's, he's, he's made amends with me and he's apologized and he's apologized to her.

• 44:32Bunnie XO?

  How long did it take for him to apologize and to make amends? Like, did he, has he been consistent in her life since she turned sixteen?

• 44:39Speaker 01

  He was, he was being pretty consistent. He has a new girlfriend and I think he's midlife crisising out a little bit.

• 44:44Bunnie XO?

  Damn it, Oscar.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  He's definitely, you know, he, he's, he's trying. He's doing the best that he can do and he's really owned up to a lot of his mistakes and his faults and I, I will honor and respect him for that. You know, he's not, he didn't have an easy life and he's not a perfect person.

• 44:57Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:58Speaker 01

  And I will always love him as the father of my daughter.

• 45:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  But he's tried, but you know, Ateana looks at him like a father and she loves him immensely, but Travis is her dad.

• 45:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, Travis is her father, like her daddy.

• 45:10Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that. Being a bonus parent, I, that really makes my heart happy because Yeah, it's, it's such a hard role to take on and we'll get into their relationship too.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Sure, yeah.

• 45:20Bunnie XO?

  How is your relationship with Ateana? Are you guys good? Are you guys super close?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  I have a great relationship with my kids, you know, uh, you know, it's, it's hard, you know, there's, you know, parental alienation is a real thing and we can get into that a little later, but um, you know, I was a, I'm a, I'm a goddamn good mom. I'm a fucking great mother and I raised all my kids and I, I did a good job with a lot of heavy shit.

• 45:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  And, you know, even with Ateana when she was little, you know, I made sure that because her dad wasn't there, I would go to the schools and be like, I want her in classes with all male teachers. I want her to have positive male role models, you know, I, I would have her go and spend summers with my mom and dad because I wanted her to see a functioning, healthy

• 45:59Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  loving, you know, um, uh, relationship. I made those choices for her to see, see those things and be a part of those things. Um, I'm, I have a great relationship with my kids. My kids and I never had any bumps in the road until my ex-husband started dating the uh Kardashian crew, you know?

• 46:15Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  And um, and I don't fault my kids for some of the things that they said. They were kids and they were influenced and, you know, but a teenager saying one thing, one time

• 46:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  doesn't take away the years that I did, raising my children. I'm very confident in

• 46:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  who I am as a mother and um, how I raised my children. Um, uh, but I'm, I'm not estranged from my children. I'm very close to my children.

• 46:39Bunnie XO?

  I love that.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  We have great relationships.

• 46:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we'll dive a, a little deeper into that once we get into their births and stuff like that.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:47Bunnie XO?

  But yeah, I just wanted to know where you and Ateana stood because I mean, you guys were babies growing up together, you know?

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:53Bunnie XO?

  Is, do you feel like the bond, like she's more of like a, like a sister or do you know?

• 46:57Speaker 01

  No, I'm definitely her mom.

• 46:58Bunnie XO?

  She's like, no, I'm mom.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I'm definitely her mom. Um

• 47:01Bunnie XO?

  I love it. She's beautiful too.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  She is.

• 47:03Bunnie XO?

  Goodness. I mean, all your kids are fucking gorgeous, dude.

• 47:06Speaker 01

  I'm very proud of the, all, all three of them, but she just has um, she has a very incredible, sweet, kind soul.

• 47:13Bunnie XO?

  She seems like that. She seems very peaceful.

• 47:15Speaker 01

  She is. She's, she's more um, conservative and much more chill than the other two by far, but

• 47:22Bunnie XO?

  The other two are your karma.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah. God gave me Bama last for a reason, so

• 47:27Bunnie XO?

  I love that. Um, so moving on, you're going through this heartbreak. You're having to go through

• 47:32Speaker 01

  I did Playboy.

• 47:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so is that what you did as soon as you broke up with?

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I did. And he never would, I, I was on Pacific Blue and they wanted me to be a, a celebrity pictorial and he would never let, he was like, no, absolutely not.

• 47:44Bunnie XO?

  He's like, no way.

• 47:44Speaker 01

  You know, Mexican, you know, no, no, no. Um, but at the time, I needed the money to like pay my attorney to, you know, to um uh, do the, the palimony suit.

• 47:55Bunnie XO?

  Did which, did you guys settle in the palimony suit?

• 47:57Speaker 01

  We did, yes. ended up settling. He ended up being very, I don't know, like, couldn't we have just done this like a year ago?

• 48:02Bunnie XO?

  I think he just wanted to see if you had it in you.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. I didn't have a choice. I was like, you know, I'm like,

• 48:10Bunnie XO?

  motherfucker.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  I don't want to do this. I was like, I love you. Please don't make me do this. Like, we'll do it, you know, but um, yeah, so uh, I ended up doing Playboy, but they wouldn't make me a celebrity uh, uh, pictorial after that. See, so it like ruined it, hurt my career.

• 48:24Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  And so I, uh, they said, but we'll give you, make you a playmate, you know, you can pick your month.

• 48:29Bunnie XO?

  Wouldn't that be better to be a playmate, though, than just a celebrity pictorial? Cause isn't that like a one time thing?

• 48:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a one time thing, but you get paid a lot more.

• 48:36Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 48:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get paid a lot more. So it's hundreds of thousand dollars worth of twenty thousand dollars, you know? And as a playmate, you know, you have to do a video, you have to do certain things, but you know what? My Playboy experience was

• 48:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  the most epic, coolest, amazing, like, shooting at Playboy Studio West was Steve Wada, Arnie Freitag, like, just, you know, the kings of photography. It was just such an, uh, a really cool time and Hef and just was so good to me. Um, I never dated Hef. No, you don't have to fuck Hef to be a playmate. Like, he was a complete gentleman, a class act to me, and welcomed me into his home.

• 49:12Bunnie XO?

  I love, I love that whole era of Playboy. I felt like that was the time that like, women kind of all came together for just a cause and like, it was just like,

• 49:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 49:23Bunnie XO?

  you know, it was like a girl gang and it was like, if you were part of that girl gang. I, I did work for Playboy TV. I wasn't pretty enough to make it in the magazine. Um, but I did shoot. No, listen, I shot with, uh, I think his name was Bill White at Playboy West.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, yeah, that sounds familiar.

• 49:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, and they, they were just like, no.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  They were, they're, you know, they, I mean, sometimes they power tripped a little bit over there.

• 49:45Bunnie XO?

  Which is fine. Yeah, which is fine, but I was all, I, you know, partied. I

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:50Bunnie XO?

  did the whole Playboy thing.

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Playboy, yeah, yeah.

• 49:52Bunnie XO?

  Um, but that era was just, I don't know, like, even though it was for a nude magazine, it was so wholesome.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  It was. It was so wholesome and like,

• 50:00Bunnie XO?

  It's so weird to say that, but it was.

• 50:02Speaker 01

  It's so true, though, and, you know, um, it, it was, and you know,

• 50:06Bunnie XO?

  It was good, teaching women to embrace their bodies and like, yeah.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  And every, it's so interesting, cause it's like a sisterhood. All the playmates are like a sister, where, you know, the pageantry, there's sisterhood in that. Uh, I used to try to get the pageant girls to go to dinner with the playmates, but that, that never went well, so.

• 50:22Bunnie XO?

  Dude, that, how epic would that be to have a pageant Playboy edition?

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:26Bunnie XO?

  That would be crazy.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a lot of girls now that, you know,

• 50:29Bunnie XO?

  Do it.

• 50:30Speaker 01

  now that their pageants are over, they're like, I wanna do it.

• 50:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Oh, I wish you did it years ago. It was so cool, you know?

• 50:35Bunnie XO?

  Tell me about it. So I've met Hef a couple of times too, and I thought he was always so sweet. He was a little disconnected, like, he was just,

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:42Bunnie XO?

  he was just kind of like there and just kind of did his own thing.

• 50:44Speaker 01

  I first met him when I was Miss USA and I was doing a charity event and he was still married to Kim at that time. And I remember he came up to me and he goes, you know, you're truly a beautiful wo- young woman. And I just thought like,

• 50:55Bunnie XO?

  What a compliment.

• 50:56Speaker 01

  What a fucking compliment from him. Like, you know, I, I mean, I went to bed that night like, holy shit. You know, I remember when I was like, this is crazy weird, people are gonna think it's weird, but um, I remember my dad used to have like Playboy, you know,

• 51:09Bunnie XO?

  Same, my dad did too.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:10Bunnie XO?

  In the bathroom.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  In the bathroom. He would have them in the bathroom. I remember looking at them and I just thought the women were so beautiful. And I remember being on the bus and kids were like, what do you wanna be when you grew up? And I was like, a Playboy bunny.

• 51:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  I didn't know what that meant. And I remember everyone being like, oh my god.

• 51:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  And, and then, you know, to ironically end up becoming a Playboy bunny later is, is very, very funny, but, but I was, yeah, I was nineteen when I first met Hef and then, you know, I was with Oscar, I wasn't allowed to do it, but then when I was twenty five, turning twenty six, that's when I became a playmate and, um, and I vied for, you know, playmate of the year. It was between me and Darlene. They made us go shoot on just a white backdrop, completely naked. And I, and it was between she and I, and that's when he had like seven girlfriends. And I think like five of his girlfriends were in the contention, you know, that year. But I never felt pressure or anything like that. But I was the first playmate to ever have a belly button ring, so.

• 52:00Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that.

• 52:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I had like a little rabbit head, so.

• 52:03Bunnie XO?

  I feel like they were, back in the day, they didn't let tattoos either.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, they didn't have, you weren't allowed to have piercings or tattoos. Hef didn't like them, but he changed that as he got older.

• 52:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  And times changed.

• 52:12Bunnie XO?

  How do you feel about all the stuff that's coming out about Hef right now?

• 52:15Speaker 01

  It's disgusting.

• 52:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's disgusting. I mean, there's just, you know, there are playmates that I think do things for money and for attention and for fame and, you know, the, the playmates who really knew Hef and were part of that family, you know, are just completely, it's just vile. And just, you know, let him rest in peace. What the fuck are you guys doing?

• 52:33Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Ripping this man apart and he can't defend himself, you know? I, I have no respect for that shit, you know, at all.

• 52:38Bunnie XO?

  I love that you're standing up for him, though.

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I just love, he, and, you know, I spent every Easter there with my, with Travis, my children, you know, I mean, he was a, a wonderful man.

• 52:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:49Bunnie XO?

  I love that. I love that you're taking a stance, especially in a time when it's easy to.

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Fuck off into the sunset. Seriously, gross, gross. He did so much for so many women.

• 52:58Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  So much, and, and if any of those women were homeless or had a drug addiction, he would have, he would have housed them, taken care of them and gotten them sober. And it's disgusting for them to do that, yeah.

• 53:09Bunnie XO?

  I never knew that. I never knew that he, um, rehabbed women like that.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Yes, he did. Wow, numerous.

• 53:14Bunnie XO?

  Crazy. So after you did Playboy, you're getting, Stella's getting her groove back.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

• 53:19Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I met Travis like very soon after. And it was literally like the minute I got over, I never really got over, I didn't get over Oscar for a decade or so, but the minute I kind of got past it.

• 53:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Um, I, I was out in Hollywood and my girlfriend was like, I met this guy and, and his, his name's Rob, Skinhead Rob from the Transplants.

• 53:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. And, uh, she was like, yeah, I met this guy, like, come with me. Like, I was gonna be her wingman. I was like, alright. And we went to this, I think it was called like the Standard or something on Sunset.

• 53:48Bunnie XO?

  Oh my, oh god.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:49Bunnie XO?

  I had a lot of drug nights there.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  A lot of people did, I think.

• 53:53Bunnie XO?

  Fuck, I, I think I almost died there one night.

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Oh my god.

• 53:56Bunnie XO?

  Cocaine and Xanax was a hell of a fucking binge party, let me tell you.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  That'll do it.

• 54:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, yeah, so I went there and, uh, and she was with Rob and I think like, George Clooney was there that night, ironically.

• 54:10Bunnie XO?

  He was everywhere back then.

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Everywhere back then.

• 54:12Bunnie XO?

  Dude, he used to, I can't even believe I'm gonna say this. He, when I used to work at the Palms,

• 54:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:17Bunnie XO?

  he would come and group together all the fucking cocktail waitresses and they would go upstairs and fuck him. Like, I was there when it happened. I wasn't in the room, but I was, I was working.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was single and he had a pig and he was doing his thing.

• 54:31Bunnie XO?

  No, he was, George Clooney was the man, dude.

• 54:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:34Bunnie XO?

  Like, all he had to do was walk by and bitches would pass out.

• 54:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, like dropping their shorts.

• 54:39Bunnie XO?

  He was a fine motherfucker, though.

• 54:40Speaker 01

  He was, yeah, he was, yeah, he's still sexy.

• 54:42Bunnie XO?

  Where the fuck is he? He got married and like disappeared.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Wife and, yeah, just doing his thing.

• 54:47Bunnie XO?

  He's just living the dream.

• 54:48Speaker 01

  He's living the dream.

• 54:48Bunnie XO?

  Go George, go.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  Go George.

• 54:50Bunnie XO?

  You know?

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Go George, go. Yeah, I think I was like talking to him at the bar or something and then, you know, she introduced me to Travis and he had a big mohawk back then. And not, you know, back then, no one had mohawks. And, and he was fucking, you know, he was tatted up pretty, not as much now, but he was still tatted up pretty, pretty, uh, tight. And I was just like, I, I, this is who the fuck I'm, I didn't know who Blink One Eight Two was. And, um, and I kind of was like, oh, I think, it was like with Oscar, like, oh, that's who, Jack? And I was like, oh, didn't they have like little people on the, MTV Music Awards on bungee cords, like flying around? Like, that's how I like, you know, remembered him and, um,

• 55:25Bunnie XO?

  What kind of music did you listen to to not know who Blink One Eight Two was?

• 55:28Speaker 01

  I, I listened to hip hop and rap.

• 55:30Bunnie XO?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I listened to hip hop and rap and, uh, yeah, and, um, R and B.

• 55:35Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, uh, I had no clue. And, um, and I just remember being like, wow, he's really, you know, Oscar's so clean cut and wore suits and shit.

• 55:42Bunnie XO?

  He doesn't even have tattoos, does he?

• 55:44Speaker 01

  Not a one tattoo, not one. And I was like, god, this guy's really fucking tattooed. And I was like, alright, I'll be your wingman, you know? And they were like, oh, he's getting a divorce. He's in the middle of a divorce.

• 55:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I didn't know that Travis was married before.

• 55:54Speaker 01

  He was married to a girl named Melissa and, um,

• 55:56Bunnie XO?

  Just a regular?

• 55:57Speaker 01

  Just a regular girl. Yeah, she's a real estate agent today. Nice, nice person. And, uh, and I was like, I don't wanna fucking deal with a guy going through a divorce. Like, Jesus, like, what a mess. I was like, I'll just be your wingman. George, send me a beer, you know, like, that kind of a thing.

• 56:12Bunnie XO?

  Go George, go.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, uh, so we just like talked and I remember he called me Oscar, like, he was like, what up, Oscar? Like, kind of teasing me about Oscar, cause I was, you know, I was known as Oscar's girlfriend, the gold digger, you know?

• 56:23Bunnie XO?

  Aww.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  You know, I was like, okay. And I was like, what? Um, and then the next week, cause you know, you would go to the same club every week, every Thursday, you went, you know, the same thing. And she was like,

• 56:32Bunnie XO?

  I miss that, because that's how it was back in the day. Like, yeah, we used to have like wasted space out here.

• 56:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you were like, Wednesday, we go here. Thursday, we go here every week, you know, that's what you did. And my girlfriend was like, I wanna go meet Rob again. Like, come with me. And I was like, fuck, okay. And, um, and,

• 56:48Bunnie XO?

  Fuck, I guess I'll go.

• 56:49Speaker 01

  I guess I'll go. So I was like, yay. And so I, I went and Travis was there again. And this time, like, he, like, he came up to me and we like, I'll never forget it, like, it was something stupid. Like, I was just like, what's your sign? Like, I said it. Like, what's your sign? Or something like that. Um, and we just started talking and then Rob and my girlfriend at the time, Natasha, we all went to like, back to his hotel, cause he was staying at a hotel to be away from his wife. And, um, and we just like,

• 57:19Bunnie XO?

  Travis's hotel.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we went to Travis's hotel. We were all just like listening to music and drinking and having fun. And he and I kissed. And I remember like looking, like stepping back and being like, what the fuck was that? Like, holy shit, like, I just met like the love of my life. And I was like, I'm gonna have your baby.

• 57:37Bunnie XO?

  Oh, here we go again.

• 57:39Speaker 01

  I was like, I'm gonna have your baby. And I just knew it. And six months later, I got pregnant.

• 57:43Bunnie XO?

  Oh my goodness.

• 57:45Speaker 01

  Which I was, but I mean, and I, I was so madly, I mean, even like, I never thought I would love again or kind of meet that kind of connection, but Travis is definitely more the love of my life, more, way more than Oscar.

• 57:58Bunnie XO?

  What is Oscar's sign?

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Uh, he's an Aquarius.

• 58:01Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:02Bunnie XO?

  That's crazy. Aquarius and Aries.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  And Travis is a Scorpio.

• 58:05Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, which is crazy to me that, but if you have a Virgo moon, then that makes sense, because Virgo and Scorpio are soulmates. I would love to see you guys' charts. I'm surprised, I'm sure somebody's done them online, but, um,

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:15Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like you and Travis were twin flames?

• 58:17Speaker 01

  Oh, one hundred percent.

• 58:19Bunnie XO?

  Because you guys had like a long tumultuous relationship.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, people don't even realize how long after. They're like, oh, they got divorced in two thousand eight. I'm like, Yeah, we lived with each other like a married couple to like almost two thousand twelve.

• 58:32Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, people don't know that.

• 58:34Bunnie XO?

  Take me on this journey. You and Travis kiss. What happens after that? You guys just instantly?

• 58:38Speaker 01

  Like instantly connected and he was touring with the transplants and I would drive to his house like every weekend and we would just see each other as much as possible and I just was, I mean, we just were together. I mean.

• 58:50Bunnie XO?

  Did he love bomb you as much as he love bombs?

• 58:52Speaker 01

  We were the, we were the OG love bombers.

• 58:55Bunnie XO?

  I know, I remember.

• 58:56Speaker 01

  Do you get deja vu, Courtney, please? Like, watching that was just like, I was like, oh, Christ, you know, like, this is hard to watch.

• 59:05Bunnie XO?

  Well, he definitely has a pattern.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  You know, that's what I think.

• 59:08Bunnie XO?

  He, I feel like it was a little more acceptable when you guys did it.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:11Bunnie XO?

  Because it felt more real.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:13Bunnie XO?

  I, you know, and I'm not talking shit about them. I'm just saying like, you guys did do it first and it was just more accepted back then too.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and we, you know, we got our, you know, I got pregnant, um, six months later and, um, and.

• 59:26Bunnie XO?

  Were you guys living together by then already?

• 59:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I told him on Valentine's Day and, um, and yeah, we just, we were just, it was really one of the happiest times of my life.

• 59:36Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 59:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and when we had Landon, um, we had Landon and then that's when MTV came to us and asked us if, you know, the newlyweds were going off and asked us if we wanted to meet the Barkers. And back then, you know, reality TV was so new. I mean, you had the Osbournes and you had the newlyweds. That was really it.

• 59:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 59:52Speaker 01

  There was no other, you know, that, they were the pioneers of reality TV. So that's when we did Meet the Barkers and that, you know, that was really our, I watch those episodes now and I'm like, who are those people?

• 1:00:04Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  It's like another lifetime ago.

• 1:00:06Bunnie XO?

  I watched all, all the original reality TV, the newlyweds, Meet the Barkers and, uh, the Osbournes, loved all of it. And I feel like that's when TV was fucking great, dude.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  And, and because back then it wasn't scripted.

• 1:00:17Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:00:18Speaker 01

  I mean, they really just had two teams of people following you around.

• 1:00:20Bunnie XO?

  With cameras.

• 1:00:21Speaker 01

  That was your life, you know, and you didn't have to get, you know, legal to say, oh, you can go eat in that restaurant or you can go into that store. People, you know, have to sign their lives away. You could just, you just went to that store, you know?

• 1:00:32Bunnie XO?

  I know how, uh, TV shows are shot and I know that they're edited and, you know, there, there, there's always a narrative that they want to paint.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:00:40Bunnie XO?

  How do you feel about people always saying that, oh, Shanna, all she did was ever lay in bed?

• 1:00:44Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so fucking annoying. It's so fucking annoying because I'm like, what do you guys think? I'm like narcoleptic or something like? It was supposed to be funny. It was supposed to be like a little like, it was supposed to be entertaining, you know? It was supposed to be like a funny part of the show.

• 1:00:57Bunnie XO?

  That bed looked comfortable as fuck.

• 1:00:59Speaker 01

  I, I love, man, I love my beds. I, I love my beds and I do love sleeping. Um, I do have chronic fatigue. Like I was diagnosed with that when I was like nineteen. So when I work, um, when I first start any work schedule, I usually relapse and it's very, very hard for me to like function and get up and, um, and I, you know, get real irritable with people. But I, um, you know, what they don't understand is that I was the one rocking babies all fucking night long.

• 1:01:23Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  So I would, Travis wasn't. He was on tour and he was at the time, he also had a pretty heavy pill addiction, you know, that he's been very open and candid about. Um, I didn't know that at the time. I was so naive. I didn't even realize it. Um.

• 1:01:36Bunnie XO?

  You didn't know that he was an addict?

• 1:01:37Speaker 01

  No, no, I didn't know at all and.

• 1:01:39Bunnie XO?

  What was he taking, like Laura Tops? That was, that was the era.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Darvocets or like, like Narcos or some, Narcos, yeah, something like that, like some sort of.

• 1:01:47Bunnie XO?

  Loved a good Norco back in the day.

• 1:01:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm like, I don't even like, I don't even know, you know? I, if I took a Norco, I'd like throw up.

• 1:01:53Bunnie XO?

  Now, yes, I would too, but back then, that's what I used to look for because they had less aspirin in them than the blue pills.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Okay, I'm like, I have no clue. Like, I didn't even know he was like on him, you know? He was, he just, that's how he functioned, you know, and, um, but I would be, you know, the, the cameras would stop rolling. They'd leave around ten o'clock at night. And then, you know, Travis would go to bed, but I would have to go put like Atiana in her bed and I'd put on like, you know, a, a movie and then I would go and like rock Landon. And mind you, I was pregnant and then, you know, I'd rock Landon and then I'd go lay down with Atiana until she fell asleep. And then I would go lay down and then one of them would wake up like five minutes later, you know, and then I would go rock the baby and then I would go, you know, lay down with her. And then when I had Alabama on the show, well, then I had to go put Atiana down, go rock Alabama, you know, you know, then go rock Landon and then one of the, you know, I was

• 1:02:39Speaker 01

  constantly, so by the time like our nanny would come at like eight in the morning and the crew would show up, I was exhausted. You know, and it was like, I need to sleep. I've been up all night, like working the graveyard shift.

• 1:02:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:51Speaker 01

  You know, so, I mean, so when people say that all the time, like, oh, you're a deadbeat. I think I did one episode where the nanny came in and I, I, the nanny, um, stayed the night.

• 1:03:01Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  And I actually got like, I was like, I need to get like eight hours of sleep, like a solid eight hours of sleep. Like I can't have it broken up every three hours. Which you do with the newborn and stuff. And, uh, so I had Liz, who's still with us to this day. Um, yeah, she, uh, came over and, and they filmed it and they asked her, they, she can't, on Meet the Barkers, they filmed her and, and, um, and I said, how were they last night? You know? So all the people at home thought that I had a fucking nanny.

• 1:03:30Bunnie XO?

  The entire.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  The entire time, every night. And it was just like one night and then it's like, I'm a deadbeat mom that never like, who slept and never took care of her kids.

• 1:03:37Bunnie XO?

  That's exactly why I wanted to ask that question because I, I know being in the industry and having to film our reality show that we do.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Bunnie XO?

  Fucking, I know exactly that there's always more to the story.

• 1:03:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:47Bunnie XO?

  And I don't think people comprehend, people on the other side of the keyboard, don't comprehend that what you see on TV is completely edited. Yes, it's real, quote unquote.

• 1:03:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:03:57Bunnie XO?

  But it's completely chopped up and edited and there's so much shit you don't see.

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Storyline to entertain you. It's supposed to, you know, it was supposed to be funny.

• 1:04:05Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  But, you know, it, and, you know, I honestly think, and I think the worst thing you can do to a woman is to shit on her as a mother.

• 1:04:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  I think it's really one of the cruelest and most vile things. And I honestly can't imagine going up to a stranger or to a person or going online and saying to someone, you're a fucking piece of shit mother. You're a deadbeat mother. Like,

• 1:04:26Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:27Speaker 01

  I don't fucking know you from a hole in the wall. I can't imagine saying that to a stranger and, and saying that to them about, you don't know what's going on in someone's home, what's going on with their husband. And people, you know, because we had that show, they, and I know I'm a public person and, you know, and it's like, and, you know, I put myself in that position, but at the same time, fuck you.

• 1:04:48Bunnie XO?

  This is where, this is where I stand up for us and I have been standing up to online bullies and they fucking hate it. Just because we are open online does not give you the right.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 1:04:59Bunnie XO?

  To tear us apart for no fucking reason. They're like, well, you're a celebrity. You should be able to handle it. How about go fuck yourself? You'd never say this to my face.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:05:07Bunnie XO?

  You know, I'd stand up to the bullies and I don't fucking like it.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  And, and Instagram's the worst. Like I, I can't go live right now.

• 1:05:13Bunnie XO?

  Get on TikTok, girl. You ain't seen nothing yet.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Well, Instagram's like the, well, I'm, I mean, in the way that they don't defend you.

• 1:05:19Bunnie XO?

  Oh, at all.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Like, you know, I told someone to like go fuck themselves or I called him a bitch the other day, you know, shooting on my daughter, like, or shooting on me as a mother or something, you know? And I just was like, bitch, get off my page.

• 1:05:30Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Thirty days. And it's like, and it's just, yeah, I know they probably have a computer that's just like, I said the word bitch, so now I can't go live for thirty days. But it's like, did you see the comment?

• 1:05:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:39Speaker 01

  Is that person blocked? Is that person, you know, is there any repercussions for these people's actions for that? Like, you know, what if I, what if I wasn't as strong as I am and I go fucking blow my brains out? Like, you know, do you, like, I, I don't, I don't understand it. It's really, you know, it's, it's, but I, back to what I was saying, I honestly think criticizing women like that, especially as a mother, is really the grossest and lowest form of harassment you can do to a woman.

• 1:06:05Bunnie XO?

  I could never go to somebody's page and just say anything mean.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  And, and if I don't like you, I don't want to go to your page.

• 1:06:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, even if I don't agree with it, I'm just like, eh, and keep scrolling, you know? I don't have to, to word vomit on this person's page just to make myself feel better.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  If I don't like something, I don't view it. I don't go to their pages. I scroll on by, you know, like.

• 1:06:22Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:06:23Speaker 01

  I don't pay attention to it, but you know, it's, I mean, people, and I used to when MySpace was big back in the day.

• 1:06:29Bunnie XO?

  I love MySpace. We never had problems. We had the top fucking eight. We had, we could put music on our profiles. We could design our profiles.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  It was so amazing.

• 1:06:39Bunnie XO?

  Tom didn't fucking fuck with us.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:06:40Bunnie XO?

  Nobody got violations.

• 1:06:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:06:43Bunnie XO?

  Like bring MySpace back.

• 1:06:44Speaker 01

  Please.

• 1:06:45Bunnie XO?

  Tom, where the fuck are you?

• 1:06:46Speaker 01

  Timber like bought it. Justin, bring it back.

• 1:06:48Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I think Tom, Tom followed me on fucking TikTok and I was more excited about that than fucking like.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  I matched with him on, on a dating app.

• 1:07:01Bunnie XO?

  Tom, you dirty boy you.

• 1:07:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was on the league. You only get like three people a day and he's like, yes, it's really me.

• 1:07:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God, that is so funny.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  We never, never talk. It was the same picture and I was like, is this really the, the Tom?

• 1:07:14Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  That's weird.

• 1:07:16Bunnie XO?

  I would love to see Tom in person. I gotta get Tom on the podcast. Alright, so moving back to Meet the Markers, is that kind of where you guys' relationship started falling apart a little bit?

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  A little bit towards like the end of the season. I think what really happened or really started to affect our relationship, which is the irony to this day for me, is he didn't want to be known as like a couple or a reality star. He wanted to be known as a musician.

• 1:07:41Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  Which I understand and I respected one thousand percent, you know, and you know, back then I was like, you know, I, I wanna do all the things that you see reality stars doing now. Like I wanted to start a clothing line and a brand and he was just so against all of it. Like he was so punk rock and I was so against like what.

• 1:07:57Bunnie XO?

  But he had Famous Stars and Straps.

• 1:07:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, he did, but that was, but that was, yeah, Straps, Famous Stars and Straps, but that was like its own company. He wasn't using the TV show. He had already created that, you know? He was an opportunist with the TV show and, and, and so, you know, he's, we, we kind of put an end to it, so.

• 1:08:18Bunnie XO?

  Isn't that the point of having a reality show, though, to capitalize off, to capitalize? And I'm not talking shit. I'm just saying like I would think that you would wanna capitalize off whatever you could, especially with the attention that you guys were getting.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I, I just think for him, you know, he was the star and I think when it became about us, like as a couple, and I wanted to be like a power couple, you know, and he, he didn't want that. He wanted to like, you know, I think he was used to being the man and the center and the musician and, and he wanted to be known and taken seriously as a serious musician and that I could respect. But that's kind of like where it, like it, it started to decline.

• 1:08:56Bunnie XO?

  When did the affair with Kim Kardashian start?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  It started after the affair with Paris Hilton.

• 1:09:02Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, and.

• 1:09:03Bunnie XO?

  Here comes Paris again.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, there comes Paris. And I had already got like, mind you, in that club, I had gotten Paris Hilton's face, you know, like, well, she, when, when Oscar and I were having a conversation, she bippity bopped in. And I was like, aren't you fucking this one here? Aren't you fucking this one? And she was like, I don't even know him. I'm like, yeah, you do. And so she leaves and, you know, he and I continued arguing, Oscar and I, and I left. So she and I had already had words like that night and then, yeah, I don't, I, I don't know, he and I were arguing and we kind of like separated, but we were still living in the same house.

• 1:09:35Bunnie XO?

  How did you know he was having an affair with Paris?

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  They caught him like making out on camera and it was like all over TMZ and everything. And I was just like, wow.

• 1:09:43Bunnie XO?

  I feel like back then Paris was the party girl and I don't feel like she really even knew what the fuck was going on. Cause I, I had met Paris a few times out here and every time I met her, she was sloshed, dude.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:53Bunnie XO?

  And I'm not making excuses for her.

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  No, not at all, not at all.

• 1:09:56Bunnie XO?

  We were all partying and fucking doing our own thing.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  One hundred percent. She was a kid. Like, I mean, and I was a kid. I mean, I was probably twenty six, twenty seven and she was like, I think like seventeen years old or something, you know?

• 1:10:05Bunnie XO?

  She's, yeah, she was young.

• 1:10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was young.

• 1:10:08Bunnie XO?

  A lot of these men had taken advantage of her.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Absolutely. I, I, I would agree with that one hundred percent. Yeah, one hundred percent. But, um, yeah, she, I remember, this is the big incident with her. We, uh, I, I was, I was doing Dancing with the Stars and I think Bama was like six months old. And, um, and the dancers back then, you know, all the famous ones now couldn't get into the clubs and they needed me to get them into the, to the clubs. So we went over, there was like Hyde on Sunset, then there was this other club and.

• 1:10:41Bunnie XO?

  God, I remember Hyde.

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, awful. And, um, I was just there for the first time since this incident like last week for Jason Momoa's vodka launch party. Not, not, not for him, but for his vodka.

• 1:10:55Bunnie XO?

  I was like, nice.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  He was there, but I've known him since he was nineteen, but like.

• 1:10:58Bunnie XO?

  And you guys never heard of him?

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I've known him since.

• 1:11:01Bunnie XO?

  He's single now.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Uh, since he was a model. I mean, he's cute.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  He, he was like young Elvis when, you know, when he first moved to LA. It was like a model and stuff, but, yeah, anyway. But, uh, yeah, so we were, I was at this one club and my girlfriend came up to me. She was actually at that party and she was like, you, you need to leave. And she was like, mind you, I'm married to Travis. And she was like, um, Travis and Paris are coming in, like you need to leave. And I was like.

• 1:11:30Bunnie XO?

  And so were you guys weren't split at the time?

• 1:11:32Speaker 01

  We were separated. Um, he was like, I think doing the whole hotel thing, you know, when I was at the house with the babies. And I only, I wasn't gonna go out that night. I just, uh, went to get those other dancers, those kids into the club. And, um, and so when I went down, so I went down to Hyde and, um, and I was just like doing my thing and, um, and Cheryl Burke, I'll never forget this, came in and was like, Paris is here. And I was like, why is she here? She was just making out with my husband at the fucking bar down the road, you know? And, um, and then I, I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna leave. I'm going home. Like I can't, I gotta get the fuck out of here. This is, you know, it's humiliating to be asked to leave and then, you know, this, you know, whatever. And, and there she was with Stavros. She was making out with Stavros.

• 1:12:15Bunnie XO?

  She was with him.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, she was, yeah, she was making out with him and I was like, I have a fucking six month old at home and I have a fucking like two year old and a five year old kid. And you're fucking making out with my husband a block down and now you're making out with this dude. You don't even love my husband. You're destroying my family and you don't even fucking love him. You know, it's not even like this is your soulmate or you're, you think you're gonna have something with him.

• 1:12:39Bunnie XO?

  And I'm sure you were really hurt, dude.

• 1:12:40Speaker 01

  I was destroyed. I was destroyed and I, um, I went up to her and, uh, and I was like, you're, you're a real fucking bitch. And she looked at me and she went, you're a, she used her voice, you know, her voice that she does and she went, you're a fucking bitch. And I just went at it and.

• 1:12:59Bunnie XO?

  You punched her in the jaw, right?

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  I, yeah, and I was.

• 1:13:01Bunnie XO?

  Allegedly.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  Allegedly, yeah. And I was about to go at it and Stavros fucking shoved me, um, down like if the staircase. And if like there weren't people coming up the staircase, I probably would have rolled down the stairs and fucking died. And then, um, yeah, and he came up to me and he got in my face. He poured a drink on my head. He got in my, he hit like my wrist and was like bending it back and I kneed him in the, in the nuts to get him like away from me. And, um, Sam, like the owner and stuff, they were all like yelling at me and they like basically shoved me out the door, the front door to the, the paparazzi. And that's what all that footage is. Like if you Google, it's terrible. And I had to walk from that fucking bar down to the other bar to go get my car.

• 1:13:40Bunnie XO?

  While paparazzi.

• 1:13:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, all the paparazzi was like chasing me. It was terrible. So that was like, kind of like the end of it all. But, and then he went to, um, Paris, which is in his book, um, it's kind of like, and he was with Paris. And at time, I guess he was talking to Kim too. I don't know. I think that's when they first started talking as friends. And, um, and he came back, he, he got flown back from a tour because he was so fucked up on drugs. And I got him sober. And I remember telling, uh, like his friend, little Chris.

• 1:14:11Bunnie XO?

  Even after all of this, um, even after, you know, the situation with Paris and stuff like that, um, and then, you know, knowing about the Kim situation.

• 1:14:20Speaker 01

  I didn't know about Kim at that point.

• 1:14:21Bunnie XO?

  You didn't know about Kim at that point. Okay, gotcha. Um, he still came back to you.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  He came back, yeah.

• 1:14:26Bunnie XO?

  Hey, I really need help. I have a problem there.

• 1:14:29Speaker 01

  And I helped him. And I told little Chris, I was like, you, and Paris was still trying to call him. I was like, I was like, look at your fucking friend right now. Look at him. That's, that's what you do to your friend? Don't bring another fucking drug into this house. Don't you do it, you know, and, um, it was like some Johnny Cash type shit, you know, like, I mean, I was egging people's cars and stuff, like, you know, like.

• 1:14:50Bunnie XO?

  Whose cars did you egg?

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  His man, like his assistant, you know, trying to pick him up to take him out to meet bitches and give him drugs, you know? Everyone wanted to be a rock star. They all wanted, you know, they needed him to go party and drink and meet bitches and feel cool, you know? But he had a family and, you know.

• 1:15:05Bunnie XO?

  You were trying to help him heal.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  You know, trying to, yeah, so, uh, and we got back together and we were trying to heal over that. I actually helped, um, create the, the girls line of Famous Stars and Straps and I did all the campaigns and I got all my playmate friends and, you know, Adrian Curry and, you know, Tiffany John, Tiffany, um, yeah, I think Johnson, uh, to model, you know, big models and stuff. And I did all the women's line and stuff and then that's when Kim came in and she was just starting. They didn't have their show or anything yet.

• 1:15:35Bunnie XO?

  Wasn't Kim, uh, Kim was best friends with Paris?

• 1:15:36Speaker 01

  With Paris, yeah. It was like the two of them had like a, like a who can we fuck competition in LA, you know, like, you know, whose husband can we fuck? You know, like, it was pretty crazy. I mean, they really did. It was, it was like wild. It was like, that's why today when they have issues now, I'm like, oh, you know?

• 1:15:53Bunnie XO?

  And I always say this. Life always comes back around. And like I said, and I'm not defending their actions, um, they were so young.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  They were.

• 1:16:00Bunnie XO?

  And I mean, I've done shit that I fucking completely regret that I did in my twenties. Now that I'm in my forties, I'm like, why did I do that?

• 1:16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. For me, it's like, hey, you did what you did, you know?

• 1:16:12Bunnie XO?

  At least just say sorry or like.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's, yeah, that's fine, but it's like, you know, don't be shocked when, you know, when you, when you deal with an angry wife.

• 1:16:20Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, is that TikTok sound? You're shocked?

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:24Bunnie XO?

  So Kim came in and then what happened there?

• 1:16:26Speaker 01

  So she shot for famous stars and straps and this was the first time that he handled the shoot.

• 1:16:31Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Mind, mind you, she's wearing the stuff I designed, you know, and I was just like, why is this girl on your, because I associated her with Paris and, you know, and I was like, why is this girl on your computer? Like, why, what's going on? And he was like, oh, I was just, you know, she's up and coming and I just wanted to like, you know, get involved and stuff and I knew like, things were getting weird. And at that time, we were still like, you know, kind of working on things and I had a house in the same neighborhood. And so we would like going back and forth to each other's homes and someone anonymously and randomly texts me, uh, their conversations and I'm pretty sure it was Paris. I'm pretty sure it was Paris, I don't know.

• 1:17:06Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  Um, but someone.

• 1:17:08Bunnie XO?

  Somebody just texts you from a random number and it's screenshots?

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, of all the, of all Travis and Kim's conversations.

• 1:17:14Bunnie XO?

  And what were those like?

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  They were trying to meet up at her sister's house to fuck.

• 1:17:18Bunnie XO?

  Which sister?

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:17:19Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 1:17:20Bunnie XO?

  Wouldn't that be crazy if it was Courtney?

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  I know, I know, I know. Um, I think, I think Courtney.

• 1:17:27Bunnie XO?

  How would that person have gotten those screenshots? That's crazy.

• 1:17:30Speaker 01

  Someone, someone got on her phone for sure.

• 1:17:32Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:17:33Speaker 01

  And I remember I, I went to, to the house and I showed him to him and I, I was bawling. I was just so, I was just fucking broken again.

• 1:17:42Bunnie XO?

  I've been in relationships like that and it's like, it's so, it just tears you down as a human and as a woman. You just, your self-esteem is just shot at this point.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  I just, and I wanted, I wanted, you know, I felt like such a failure with Oscar. I wanted this relationship to work. And, you know, we did get married and we had a successful TV show and, you know, and I was so in love with him and so happy. And I wanted to have what my parents had for my children. I wanted my children to see their mother and father in love and to walk in on them dancing and have what I had, you know? And I just knew like, I wasn't going to be able to give my children that at that moment.

• 1:18:14Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:18:14Speaker 01

  And I showed him the text messages and he deleted them. And so I, I said, I don't see anything. And I was like, we're gonna do this? Like, we're gonna do this?

• 1:18:21Bunnie XO?

  Wow. I mean, that's the biggest admission of guilt.

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, just like, and then she called, I called her, we had words. And, uh, and she just said to me that she didn't like white guys. She only dated black guys. And I was like, Kim, you'll fuck anyone to be famous, like, you really will. And you fucked, you know, that little singer boy and you, you know, and you, you fucked the NSYNC kid, you fucked the NSYNC kid, you know, or whatever.

• 1:18:42Bunnie XO?

  Which NSYNC kid?

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  I think she, she was with, um, I don't know all their names and stuff. Um, you can Google it, it's out there.

• 1:18:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  It's definitely out there, but I was like, you'll fuck anyone to be famous, you know, because they didn't have their show yet. And then they just got their show. And then Travis and I really, um, never really recovered from that.

• 1:19:01Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, it's hard because that was multiple times and just as a woman, it's like your self pride and your dignity.

• 1:19:08Speaker 01

  You know, I felt stupid. I was like, you're just making me look dumb, you know, like.

• 1:19:11Bunnie XO?

  Over and over.

• 1:19:12Speaker 01

  You know, over and over. So I, I filed for divorce.

• 1:19:14Bunnie XO?

  What year is this?

• 1:19:15Speaker 01

  Uh, two thousand eight.

• 1:19:16Bunnie XO?

  Two thousand eight, so you file from divorce, for divorce from Travis. Take me on this. You're starting over again, but this time you got three babies.

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  Yes, we're starting over again. I go back to my house, um, uh, uh, he gets into a plane crash. And, well, we, we actually started working on things again. We started talking.

• 1:19:36Bunnie XO?

  This is where the twin flame thing comes in.

• 1:19:38Speaker 01

  We started working on things again and, um, I guess things, you know, according to his book, everyone can read it, you know? They decided that, you know, they would just be friends, but, you know, I, I think there's a lot more going on there. Um, but I mean, if you read his book, when people read his book, you know, there's TikToks and stuff about it too. And I'm like, he was fucking married, like, you know, I mean, I caught him with like Lindsay Lohan, Kimberly Stewart, Tara Connor, fucking Paris Kim, like, you know, he, you know.

• 1:20:03Bunnie XO?

  He was living the rock star lifestyle.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  The rock star life, you know, so, um, but he, you know, we always came back to each other and.

• 1:20:11Bunnie XO?

  That's why I always say twin flames, because no matter what you guys went through, you guys always came back.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:15Bunnie XO?

  Do you think that he'll come back again if things don't work out with him and Courtney?

• 1:20:19Speaker 01

  I don't know, you know.

• 1:20:20Bunnie XO?

  Would you let him come back?

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  I don't know. I really, people ask me that, you know, I'll always love him. I'll always love him immensely and deeply and, um, and I'm not bitter or jealous. Um, I, I don't know him anymore. I really don't. I don't, I don't know him as a human being anymore at all. So if I ever did hang out with him, I would have to.

• 1:20:39Bunnie XO?

  Relearn him.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Relearn him and, and get to know him as just a friend first and as a person, you know? But I'm as the father of my children and as just like, as someone that I, I, I look back fondly on, some of the most amazing memories of my life. I'll always love him for sure. Yeah.

• 1:20:55Bunnie XO?

  So he gets in this plane crash.

• 1:20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:58Bunnie XO?

  Which was a brutal plane crash.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  I was at the house. We were together at that time.

• 1:21:03Bunnie XO?

  So this is after you filed for divorce?

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, after, yeah, we're not, but we're, now we're rekindling, we were talking about getting remarried. And, uh, and, um, he, uh, he, it was, he had just finished tour and he had to go do this, uh, show with DJ AM, um, in North Carolina. And he, uh, he didn't want to go, they got a private jet and he was like, you know, mama, like this is, this jet is really little. And I was like, you know, and he wanted me to go on it. And I, and I had this really weird feeling in the kitchen and I, it was so strange. And, um, and I remember like going, if we both die, who's gonna take care of my kids? I remember just having like that thought and, um, and I was like, my mom and dad are too old and his mom and dad are too old.

• 1:21:47Speaker 01

  And, you know, like, who's gonna raise my children? Like his sister? Like, what, like, what's gonna happen?

• 1:21:52Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:21:52Speaker 01

  And I just said, you know, honey, I don't, I don't want to go. Like, I would think I should stay, stay back with the kids. And I was like, you know, you're gonna want to go play and come home and I'm gonna want to go and party, you know? And you're not gonna want to and it's gonna be a big fight and, and, uh, I was like, just go and come back. And like, like, like, let's start our life together, you know? And he was like, okay, but he took the plane there and he did the show and he wanted to get back and DJ AM and then had another show. And he was supposed to stay another night and fly home like commercially. But DJ AM wanted to come back for a gig and so they voted on getting this plane, basically. And he was like, I'm gonna come home early. And I remember when he got there, he was like, honey, I have a really bad feeling about this plane. And I was like, you say that about every plane. We both say this about every, yesterday I.

• 1:22:35Bunnie XO?

  That's how I am every time we're about to get on a flight.

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was the same way yesterday. Like, I was like, I had to cry on the plane. I was, I sat next to a pilot and he.

• 1:22:41Bunnie XO?

  Until Dita Von D's showed up.

• 1:22:43Speaker 01

  And I was like, we're both not going down, Dita. Not, not today.

• 1:22:46Bunnie XO?

  The Gothic angel arrived.

• 1:22:47Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah, Dita the angel, the airline angel arrived. But, um, yeah, so he, uh, it was so weird because I felt like, he, he called me 15 minutes later after the plane crashed and, um, and I, I, I felt like they just landed. I don't know how to explain it to you. It felt like hours went by and they like, and I, and Alabama was in the bed. And it was so weird. Alabama sat up and she went, mommy, where's little Chris? And I went, where's little Chris? I was like, little Chris is with daddy, honey. Like, lay down, go back to sleep. And I was watching a movie and I got a call and it was a paramedic or a police officer. And he was like, ma'am, is this Shane Moakler? And I was like, yeah. And he's like, there's been a terrible plane crash. And I said, uh, and I thought they were fucking around, like joking. And I was like, that's not funny.

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  You know, like, I don't think that's a funny joke. And he's like, no, ma'am, there, there's been a, a bad accident. And then I was like, guys, it's not, it's not funny. And he goes, ma'am, I am deputy blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And there's been a horrible plane accident. You need to listen to me. And then I heard Travis screaming. And, and, uh, he was screaming, I'm on fire, I'm on fire. And, uh, and he's like, we need to airlift him to the Atlanta something and he didn't, and, and he didn't want to. And then I talked to him and he was like, they're all gone, like little Chris is gone, they're gone. And, and, um, and he didn't want to get on another, like an airlift.

• 1:24:03Bunnie XO?

  And I don't blame him.

• 1:24:04Speaker 01

  So they drove him, you know, I mean, and he was burned on like 70% of his body. And, uh, and I, um, I think I packed like a shoe and a remote control and a battery and I fucking flew to.

• 1:24:15Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, in that moment, you just are like, whatever.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  So out of it. And, um, and I was with him for the first like three, four weeks, um, there. And, um, in, in Atlanta, and then we took a tour bus back from Atlanta to the, um, burn center in Los Angeles. And, uh, and I was there with him there for the first like two, three weeks. And this is where it went bad. Um, we got his computer to, uh, I've never shared this with anyone before, uh, so it's kind of crazy. Uh, I got his computer and, uh, and I, we were doing it so the kids could FaceTime with him because, mind you, the kids hadn't seen their dad now for almost a month and a half. And, uh, we just, and we, we were hoping that him seeing the kids would also give him the strength to keep fighting.

• 1:25:03Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  You know, and, uh.

• 1:25:04Bunnie XO?

  Was he fighting like infection and stuff like that?

• 1:25:06Speaker 01

  He didn't have infections, but just the pain, just the, just the, what they had to do and what he had to endure. Surgeries and the removal of skin and just, it was really fucking horrifying. Um, I, I wouldn't have lived. And I was supposed to be on that plane, you know, I would have, and we definitely wouldn't have lived because the, there were four guys and we would have let them have the back of the plane. And Travis and I probably would have sat in the front and we wouldn't have had our seat belts on and we would have, we would have died for sure. So, um. Yeah, I always think about that, but um uh when I was setting up his computer and he FaceTime with the kids, but um and he was getting a blood transfusion and I looked in his email. And I saw all the emails from all the women.

• 1:25:47Bunnie XO?

  Oh goodness.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  And I just like, and that didn't bother me as much as back then you had to to when you went to TMZ and you wrote a comment, right? What TMZ will do, you write a comment and then they'll email you a link and you have to click the link um to approve the comment. You can write, you know, Bob or Cindy Lou or whatever you want, but you have to, it's still, you have still have to send it to an email. And then you have to click the link and then TMZ will will, you know, approve it. And I saw all these comments in his email. That he was posting about me on TMZ, about what a shitty mother I was and Chris, little Chris, about what a shitty mother I was and what a terrible person I was and, you know. And I had even read some of them and I couldn't fucking believe

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  that he was the one behind some of those comments.

• 1:26:34Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:26:35Speaker 01

  And I left the hospital. It'll make me like cry, I love the hospital.

• 1:26:40Bunnie XO?

  That's so hurtful.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I I went home and I cried in my mother's arms for like hours. It was terrible. I was like, it's terrible. And so that's when I was like

• 1:26:47Bunnie XO?

  This is a man that you love that you're literally

• 1:26:49Speaker 01

  By his side, like, you know, like I flew to be by his side and I and I just fucking was like, I can't go back to, and I called his drum tech and the godfather of our children. I was like, I'm not coming back to the hospital. And I'm like, and this is why. And I need to like, we're, I need to figure some shit out. And um and and I granted, looking back now, I probably should have just fucking ate or licked my wounds and been by his side while he was still recovering from that. But at that time, I felt like he, there's only like two people allowed into the room and he was in LA and he had his father and his sisters and he had a huge hundreds of people were going to the hospital and visiting him every day and I felt like he had a good support system and for me, I just was like destroyed.

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  And um

• 1:27:35Bunnie XO?

  Do you feel like he held that against you and that was kind of like ammo for his arsenal?

• 1:27:38Speaker 01

  Later on, for sure, yeah. Yeah, and uh and you know, and so I just was going out, getting drunk, you know, and I think like they they took pictures of me with like, like I I I was friends with Gerard Butler. I had known him since I was like twenty and now I'm like, I guess I'm like thirty four at this point. And I had saw him at a club and the paparazzi took pictures of us and they made it seem like I was kissing him and stuff, but I wasn't.

• 1:28:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:02Speaker 01

  And um and then Travis saw that and then we just like never really recovered.

• 1:28:07Bunnie XO?

  It's crazy when they when they can do it, but if you do it, that's how all men are. I'm sorry that you went through that and that's very hurtful and I don't think that you should have had to have licked your wounds and, you know, I understand most women would be like, well, she should have sucked, or most people would have been like, oh, she should have sucked it up. No. When you've already been through so much hurt with somebody, there's always that one thing that happens that literally breaks the straw on the camel's back.

• 1:28:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:32Bunnie XO?

  And that's how I am in relationships. Like I'll give and I'll give and I'll give.

• 1:28:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:36Bunnie XO?

  And then if something happened, it could be the fucking smallest thing, which that was a big thing for you, but it could be the smallest thing and I'll be like, I'll never talk to this person again.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:28:43Bunnie XO?

  You know?

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, we ended up talking.

• 1:28:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I know. You guys are just a glove for punishment.

• 1:28:51Bunnie XO?

  It's just because you guys really loved each other and I really feel like we could always feel the chemistry between Travis and you. Like it was just real.

• 1:28:59Speaker 01

  It was.

• 1:28:59Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you and Travis are going, both of you are going to be searching for that connection that you guys have for the rest of your lives. Whether you guys

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  I am. I'm still searching for it.

• 1:29:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm single, so.

• 1:29:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I mean, but men are men and I, you know, him and his other situation could be very happy and, you know, whatever, but it's just when you have a love like that with somebody, it's very hard to ever

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Yes, for sure. Yeah, it's a once in a lifetime kind of a thing.

• 1:29:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. So even after he hurt you, you still went back.

• 1:29:31Speaker 01

  We got back together and I'll never forget, it was the first, he got out of the hospital, but he was still like on a lot of medications and very, and still healing and um and he wanted to go to a restaurant and I I said, okay, and I remember watching him. It was the first time I had seen him since I stopped going to the hospital. And he got out of the car and he grabbed Alabama and he took her out of the car and he looked fucked up. Like he just looked like he has been through it, you know, he had like a beard and, you know, and and but I, and I remember him grabbing our daughter. And I just was like, that's it, I'm done. Like, I'm going to heal this family.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  I'm gonna heal this marriage. I'm gonna let all this shit go and all this hurt and this pain and these affairs and everything and I'm going to love this man and I'm gonna make this family right. And that's what I tried to do. I um I like cooked for him and I helped give his medications and I wiped his balls and I changed his dressings and I was there for him, you know? And um and he just was like convinced because of the Gerard Butler that I like cheated on him, you know, he's convinced that I did that.

• 1:30:39Bunnie XO?

  Stop being a Scorpio, Travis.

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, like just convinced and he just like, you know, and we were trying to date again, but we just like

• 1:30:45Bunnie XO?

  There was just so much water.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  There was just so much and we just couldn't, we just, we couldn't do it and um but we we ended up living together, you know, and like

• 1:30:53Bunnie XO?

  Was it just as friends? Were you guys still fucking?

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  We were co-parents, you know, like

• 1:30:57Bunnie XO?

  But were you guys still banging and like?

• 1:30:59Speaker 01

  No, but we were just so in love with each other, but couldn't

• 1:31:02Bunnie XO?

  Didn't wanna let go.

• 1:31:02Speaker 01

  Didn't know how to do it. And um so and we wanted to like, you know, be like there for our kids and so we lived together. Like a couple, I think till like almost two thousand fourteen.

• 1:31:14Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:31:15Speaker 01

  You know, and then till I I met a, my ex-boyfriend Brian, who was a Hell's Angel. And uh and then I got kind of serious with him and then I was like, okay, I don't think we should be living together anymore. Like, we're not together. You don't wanna work on this. I can't be living with you like, you know, like you should have your days and I should have my days. And we did what was like a nesting agreement where at first, you know, we lived together all the time and then we did where the kids stayed in one house. And then I would go to the house like Monday to Wednesday and then he would go to the house like, you know, Wednesday to Sunday and then but the kids would stay in the same place and we would go from our houses to that one house.

• 1:31:51Bunnie XO?

  I love how the kids were always the focal point, though, of like, whatever happened, no matter what we've been through, we're gonna try to fucking make this work.

• 1:31:58Speaker 01

  That, I mean, that was the one thing and to this day, it's the one thing that he and I agree on is our kids and just trying to give them the best life possible.

• 1:32:06Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:08Bunnie XO?

  So you move on, he moves on. And is it over from there, so from twenty fourteen?

• 1:32:13Speaker 01

  It's over. I mean, I stopped talking to him about around two thousand fourteen, we didn't, and we started following each other right before he and Courtney, I don't know how long they've been together, maybe two, three years, I'm not sure. Um and then uh when he got with Courtney, we we we stopped even just being cordial. We we co-parent, you know, if there's some, I mean, my my oldest daughter's twenty four, she doesn't you know, people still shit on me to this day, like, raise your kids. I'm like, I have a grown adult, like I have, my daughter is twenty four years old, like, you know, she's a young adult, so like, I don't like need to rear her anymore, you know, like, you want me to change her fucking diapers?

• 1:32:48Bunnie XO?

  You're like, I already had a baby.

• 1:32:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, my son is twenty years old, you know?

• 1:32:52Bunnie XO?

  Twenty four.

• 1:32:53Speaker 01

  I'm like, he's living with his girlfriend. What do you want me to do, go over to the house?

• 1:32:56Bunnie XO?

  Kid. He's, they're both just so, all of them are so beautiful.

• 1:32:59Speaker 01

  Thank you so much. I'm really proud of him and I I'm, he's so talented. They're all talented. And then Alabama, she's gonna be eighteen, you know, on Christmas Eve this month, so it's like

• 1:33:08Bunnie XO?

  She is your fucking twin.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's, and and internally too, she's like me, you know, she's, she has that tenacity and doesn't give a fuck and just is so ambitious and like, you know, people hate on her. I mean, you wanna talk about bullying a fucking kid, that kid has got it since she was twelve and she does not care.

• 1:33:25Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I mean, she's been raised in it. So it's like, it's probably second skin to her, you know? But still, no child deserves to be bullied like that, ever.

• 1:33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:33:35Bunnie XO?

  How does it make you feel whenever they did take to like public platforms and kind of talk shit about how you didn't raise them and stuff like that? Were you guys just in a heated argument and it was kid shit or?

• 1:33:46Speaker 01

  I feel at the time when Travis got with Courtney, um there was like some parental alienation going on there where, you know, I I, you have to understand too, you know, Travis, even when we weren't together, always wanted to be the super dad. I'm the best parent, I'm the this and that. And I'm like, bro, you win, like, you're the winner here. Like, you have all the money and you have all the this, like, you, you're the winner, you know? Give the drummer some, you know, like, you're the, you're, you win. Like, I'm not competing with you, you know, like, um but I think, you know, when the Kardashians first came around, they were enamored, just as like young kids would be enamored by them. And I think there was a lot of glitter and fame and, you know, they watched them on TV and now their dad's dating one and they're gonna be on the show and, you know, and I think they got caught up

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  in that, you know, which young kids would do. And you know, they're buying them Prada and they're buying them Gips and they're going to these events and they're meeting Kanye and they're, you know, the, all this big stuff. And I can't give them that. I don't have that. I don't have access to that. I don't have the money to do that. I can't buy you guys Prada every, you know, other week and stuff. I don't, I can't do it. And my house isn't a mansion like Travis. I don't have a movie theater. I don't have golf carts for you kids to drive around. Yeah, you know, he's everything, you know? And um uh and so I think comments were made and I think they were influenced and um

• 1:35:07Speaker 01

  And it was hurtful and it was, you know, and it was like, you know, and I've had conversations with them since and they, you know, they've apologized, but I'm not going to take one comment that my angry teenage kid says to me. And, and now all of a sudden 24 hours, I'm a fucking deadbeat mom. No, like they all know I'm not. We all know the truth. I go to bed at night. I sleep very, very well. Um, with who I am as a woman and as a mother and how I raised my children. And, you know, and, uh, and I think now as time's marching on, I think they're seeing things and they're realizing and as they become young adults. They're like, they see, they see through things that they didn't before.

• 1:35:42Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, no, I get it. Teenagers will be teenagers. I went through it with our daughter who's gonna be 16.

• 1:35:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:48Bunnie XO?

  You know, she, she was like, yeah, we went through a rough patch this last summer and it's like, that's just how kids are.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:35:54Bunnie XO?

  They're, what fucking teenage girl gets along with their mom?

• 1:35:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:58Bunnie XO?

  You know, very rarely.

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  Very, very rarely. And I, you know, and at one point I just was like, you know what? The, the, the difference between a lot of people is, you know, that shit was all getting played out in the press with one of the biggest, most powerful families in the world, you know, and I'm, I don't, and, and they're, they're a media machine. They own the fucking media. I don't, so I just got fucking hammered and bullied and just, you know, and over my fucking kids. Who does that? Who does that to someone over and to, with their own children? Fuck you, that family. You're disgusting.

• 1:36:31Bunnie XO?

  Have, so they haven't ever been welcoming to you?

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  No, and I would never, ever want to know them, ever. Like, and you know, and I'm tired of people shitting on me. I don't have to like that fucking family.

• 1:36:40Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:36:40Speaker 01

  People do not have to like that family. You don't, like, just because the media shoves them down your throat, does not mean that you have to like that. There are people that don't like that family, don't watch that fucking show, and don't give a fuck what Kim Kardashian's doing with her ass. There are people that don't care. I don't fucking care and I'm not afraid of them and I don't like them. But what I did do is I removed myself. I removed myself so that they couldn't let my, they couldn't bond with my children over hating me. And I removed myself and I took a step back and I was like, you know what? Go do what you guys need to do and when you're ready, I will be here loving you unconditionally. And I will be here as your mother and I will wait. And that's what I did.

• 1:37:22Bunnie XO?

  That's what a real mom does. You know, you gotta let your kids kind of fall and, um, you know, figure it out for themselves because in the end they'll respect you more than trying to control the narrative.

• 1:37:30Speaker 01

  Exactly, yeah.

• 1:37:31Bunnie XO?

  So, good. So you're, you're, so everybody, the relationship is great.

• 1:37:36Speaker 01

  Yes, my kids and I are good. Yes, they're doing good and, uh, everything, everything, you know, this year, like I said, has been a little, little rocky for me with the loss of my parents and, um, you know, and I had another pretty bad breakup and.

• 1:37:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, I, let's move on to that. So Matthew, you're talking about Matthew, right?

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, Matthew.

• 1:37:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, that was a public breakup also.

• 1:37:55Speaker 01

  Breakup too.

• 1:37:56Bunnie XO?

  You guys were together for?

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  Um, three years, almost three years, yeah. Yeah, and I love him, I love him very much. Yeah, I'll always, I'll always really care and love him. We quarantined together and, you know, there's something about.

• 1:38:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, I remember watching you guys.

• 1:38:13Bunnie XO?

  I was watching your stories during quarantine.

• 1:38:15Speaker 01

  We were so drunk. We were, you know, we just talked actually like last night and we were laughing about quarantine. Like, we were like, wow, we really did the damn thing.

• 1:38:22Bunnie XO?

  So are you guys friends now? Because I do know.

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  On being friends.

• 1:38:26Bunnie XO?

  It's probably gotta be hard to get back with somebody who has slandered you in the public eye the way that he did too. It's like you can't trust.

• 1:38:34Speaker 01

  I'm just so used to being slandered at this point by everyone. I'm just like, I'm like, whatever.

• 1:38:38Bunnie XO?

  You're like, what, who else wants to shit on me? Let's go.

• 1:38:41Speaker 01

  Let's go, you know, so, yeah.

• 1:38:43Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Um, so you guys split and you guys are definitely just not.

• 1:38:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's on the east coast and I'm on the west coast and, you know, I don't know what I'm doing in life right now. I'm just kind of like floating and kind of just putting my, my, my journey in the hands of God and, and in the universe because I, I've just, I've suffered so much loss this year that I really don't know, and I really don't, even career wise, I don't even know what I want to do. And I'm not, I'm not stressing myself out about it. I'm just kind of, um, allowing myself grace and to heal.

• 1:39:18Bunnie XO?

  Shanna, you deserve a break.

• 1:39:19Speaker 01

  Thanks.

• 1:39:20Bunnie XO?

  You have been going at it since you were a teenager, you know, pageants, pregnancy, divorces, drama, like.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  It's been a ride.

• 1:39:30Bunnie XO?

  You probably need to take two years of just peace and healing and sitting, be still.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know, I get a lot of, my fan base is a lot of women who are divorced and single or going through breakups and, you know, they ask me like, how, how do you do it? How do you, you know, and it's like, you just gotta feel it. You just gotta feel that pain and you gotta feel that hurt. And, and it's not fun and it's uncomfortable and, you know, I tell some of my, some of my fans, like, you know, some days I get up and I make a coffee and that's a good day. You know, that's a good day. I got up and, you know, I was able to do that for myself, you know, so now it's like, that's all I'm doing is I'm just trying to like, just heal.

• 1:40:09Bunnie XO?

  You have a lot of hurt and I can see it in your eyes whenever you talk about it. Do you do therapy? Have you considered going to therapy?

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  No, I don't like, I don't like therapy. I don't like it, but I, um, I, I definitely am doing the self-work and, you know, the shadow work.

• 1:40:24Bunnie XO?

  The shadow work.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  The shadow work. I definitely do do that. I mean, I do a lot of, um, meditations, um.

• 1:40:30Bunnie XO?

  Meditation saves, saves me.

• 1:40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I do lots of, um, visualization and meditations. I do a lot of journaling. I do, I do a lot of like, you know, self-centering work and, and I know I'll get through it. I'll overcome it, but I think with the, losing my mother and father, that was like my, that's where I went to heal. You know, that's where I went. And so I have to kind of learn how to heal without that and that in itself is its own journey.

• 1:40:55Bunnie XO?

  I feel like you are always there for everybody else and who's ever there for Shanna.

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  It's okay.

• 1:41:02Bunnie XO?

  But it's not, like, and like, you know, we can laugh about it and smile through our pain, but at the same time, it's like, you deserve to be able to just take time off and just, you know, fall in love with yourself.

• 1:41:13Speaker 01

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 1:41:14Bunnie XO?

  Just fucking do what you gotta do to fucking just. At this point, you've raised your babies.

• 1:41:20Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:41:21Bunnie XO?

  You're good. Like, you've done the mom shit. You've done the acting. You've done everything.

• 1:41:26Speaker 01

  And I still have, you know, I still believe in love and I still have hope. Like, you know, I, I think there is that person like out there for me and marriage. I, I love marriage. Um, but I, I definitely know that I don't want to go into another relationship broken. I want to be like healed and I want to, you know, you know, the next relationship I do get into, I want it to be one where I understand boundaries and I understand communication and, and all that stuff and, and break this, that, that sort of narcissistic cycle.

• 1:41:54Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, oh, you sweet baby. Well, Shanna, it has been amazing talking to you.

• 1:42:00Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:42:01Bunnie XO?

  You have such a great story, dude.

• 1:42:03Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you.

• 1:42:04Bunnie XO?

  I feel like, like we're best friends now.

• 1:42:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:42:07Bunnie XO?

  I feel like we've had moments.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Before I even met you, but you just, you give that energy too.

• 1:42:12Bunnie XO?

  I love that. No, I appreciate that. And I want you to come back. Come back and visit me. And sit on this podcast and talk about whatever you want. I'm excited to see what you do next.

• 1:42:21Speaker 01

  Thank you, thank you.

• 1:42:22Bunnie XO?

  You know, like, you're just, you're a precious commodity to the world and I want you to know that. Why don't you tell everybody where they can find you at?

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can find me pretty much on all social media platforms. It's just my name. So at Shanna Moakler, um, on Instagram and.

• 1:42:35Bunnie XO?

  Wait, we forgot to talk about one thing.

• 1:42:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:42:37Bunnie XO?

  You have an OnlyFans.

• 1:42:38Speaker 01

  I do have an OnlyFans. Yes, I do.

• 1:42:40Bunnie XO?

  Mama money.

• 1:42:41Speaker 01

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• 1:42:44Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I love it. I don't do anything like, uh, pornographic. Um, I don't like, I don't masturbate.

• 1:42:51Bunnie XO?

  But God, if you did. You would probably, I made my, I made millions on OF. I could only imagine if you fucking went down that road. Would you ever go down that road or no?

• 1:43:02Speaker 01

  No, no, I don't think it's like for me, but I, I do like, what I basically like Playboy style stuff. You know, I do like customs, you know, and things like that, but I don't, um, I don't get too crazy on there. But I have a lot of fun and I chat and talk and, um, yeah, I have, I have a lot of fun on there. But, you know, and I, you know, and I think OnlyFans isn't as taboo as, as it used to be. Especially with OnlyFans TV. I do pageant stuff on OnlyFans TV, you know, so. You know, I'm teaching girls like interview skills on there, so.

• 1:43:28Bunnie XO?

  I love it.

• 1:43:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's cool.

• 1:43:30Bunnie XO?

  I just had to make sure that we shout out the OnlyFans.

• 1:43:32Speaker 01

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• 1:43:40Bunnie XO?

  We gotta get you on TikTok. You need to be more active on TikTok.

• 1:43:43Speaker 01

  I just am starting, so I would love to learn from you guys. If you please teach me like, what works? Cause I do not know. And I'm not even verified on there. I don't even know.

• 1:43:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh, you will. Once you start getting more active and getting more views, they'll verify you for sure. There's no reason why they wouldn't verify you.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Okay, cool, okay. I'm like, but I'm learning and Bama just like laughs at me. I'm like, how do I do this?

• 1:44:03Bunnie XO?

  Just be yourself. Yeah. Literally, that's exactly what Bama does. She just gets on there and does her makeup thing. Yeah.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  I'm gonna try, I'm gonna do a live on there this month since I can't do it on Instagram, so I'm gonna do a live on there.

• 1:44:14Bunnie XO?

  Start moving your Instagram over to TikTok.

• 1:44:17Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:44:17Bunnie XO?

  Too. Like, they all talk to themselves, but TikTok is like, it'll grow your business tenfold. It'll be insane.

• 1:44:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, you guys have, masters have to teach. Teach me, please, teach me.

• 1:44:26Bunnie XO?

  We got you, baby. Thank you so much for coming by.

• 1:44:29Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me. Appreciate it a lot.

• 1:44:31Bunnie XO?

  Thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Don't Blonde. I will see you guys next week. Bye.