#2294 - Dr. Suzanne Humphries

Dr Humphries is a conventionally educated medical doctor who was a participant in conventional hospital systems from 1989 until 2011 as an internist and nephrologist. She left her conventional hospital position in good standing, of her own volition in 2011. Since then, she’s been furthering her research into the medical literature on vaccines, immunity, history, and functional medicine. She is the author of "Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines, and the Forgotten History." http://dissolvingillusions.com/ Save $20 on your first subscription of AG1 at drinkag1.com/joerogan 50% off your first box at https://www.thefarmersdog.com/rogan! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  You just said something that's like very important. You can't be dogmatic when you're talking about vaccines or about anything.

• 0:21Speaker 01

  Yes, it is good to keep an open mind, isn't it? And be flexible and look at a 360 degree view of things rather than your tunnel vision and what you're indoctrinated into, isn't it?

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and especially if you know that that indoctrination has been on purpose and profitable. And, you know, one of the great things about your book is, first of all, your book's called Dissolving Illusions. I know I've talked about it on the podcast a bunch of times, but you also highlight a lot of things that we know are beneficial that somehow or another get lumped into nonsense, like even cinnamon.

• 1:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Cinnamon is a powerful herb, actually, and it's known to be helpful in glucose handling for a lot of diabetics taking it in capsule form now. I noticed at the end of my nephrology career that a lot of my own patients were taking cinnamon capsules, but it also has a lot of vitamin C in it, and I think that was probably one of the keys. A lot of those old remedies that we wrote about, the magic in them probably was the vitamin C in them.

• 1:27Joe Rogan?

  I dismissed all that stuff as total nonsense. I was like, oh, that's hippie nonsense, like echinacea, like, get out of here. It's hippie nonsense. Garlic, come on, get out of here. But then the more I've read things, especially like garlic is incredible for staph infections for some reason.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  It is, and it doesn't develop drug resistance, like a lot of the drugs that are engineered for it. Um, yeah, the hippies seem to have got it right, I think.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just that that whole idea of natural remedies is so just universally dismissed by non-silly people. You know, when you say natural remedies, that's great. If you have a heart attack, go to a doctor, stupid. You know, that's generally people's appeal to authority.

• 2:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:13Joe Rogan?

  But it's the doctors should be recommending those things, too. Like, they're they're good, too. Like, vitamin D, super important, you know, vitamin A, super important. And one of the things that you talked about in the book is that, um, I think this is really important, when you were talking about the measles vaccine, you were saying that, um, either if you get an infection with measles, just a natural infection, or if you get the vaccine, you're still gonna get depleted of vitamin A. Like, if you get vaccinated for the measles, you should be taking vitamin A as well. Your body's gonna get depleted just by getting that shot. They don't tell you that.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  No, they don't tell you anything, just Tylenol, which actually makes the vaccine not work as well, in addition to causing all kinds of immunological disturbances at the time that you're supposed to be up-regulating your immune system against this dreaded disease. Um, yeah, but one of the things about the the recommended by the, you know, the white coats and the authorities is is that they the public believes that so many drugs and remedies are standardized that the conventional medical system gives out. And when you go to actually look at them, and this includes vaccines, even though they're standardized, meaning that the manufacturers are told what the regulations should be in terms of production, when people go and look at them, they find it's anything but standardized. It's very variable, which is why we see such variability in the

• 3:36Speaker 01

  in the results when people receive them. That's only one reason why there's so much variability.

• 3:42Joe Rogan?

  And do you think it's the immunity to any legal consequences that has allowed them to sort of operate like this?

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Well, we certainly saw an explosion of their creativity since 1986. So nineteen, actually, in 1986, you're referring to the National Child Vaccine Injury Act that was passed in 1986. But before 1986, we had 1976, which was the swine flu vaccine fiasco. And that was, that was a situation where there was so much injury that the vaccine-producing companies were no longer able to get insurance. And so they went to the government and they said, "We need you to indemnify us," and they did. And so the government absorbed all the lawsuit cases that happened as a result of the Giambarre that happened from then. And so that kind of set a precedent for 1986. So back then, vaccines were just kind of,

• 4:32Speaker 01

  you know, pieces of microbe, or maybe a live attenuated virus. And then they would put a background of all kinds of hard things inside of it and tell you it was just a clear, beautiful, pure solution. But that's beside the point. So then 1986 comes along, and because there's so many lawsuits happening because of the diphtheria-pertussis tetanus vaccine, that, again, the vaccine companies couldn't continue to go on the way they were because they were being sued so much. So then this horrible act was passed, which to some people seemed like a good idea. And this is always how it goes, is, "We're going to make you this promise. Yes, yes, yes, we're gonna, we're gonna cover all the lawsuits now out of taxes, but it's gonna be okay because we're gonna, we're gonna pay out these lawsuits and you're gonna be fine. If your kid takes one for the team, you're

• 5:14Speaker 01

  gonna be okay." And what happens is, after time, after they get their foot in the door, they narrowed down the, they basically have a kangaroo court that decides if you're eligible. And so the qualification tables got narrowed down because in the beginning, they were paying out so much of this. So not only did it make the vaccine companies very, very wealthy and indemnified, but as you alluded to just a minute ago, the creativity of the vaccine companies expanded. So after that, they could add different, what do we call adjuvants, things that stimulate the immune system so the vaccine works better. Then they start, that's why we're able to be in a messenger RNA vaccine situation today, which, which that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for this indemnification that, you know, the vaccine trials have always been a bit of a joke, but they're even more

• 5:59Speaker 01

  of a joke today than they were in the beginning. We've never seen a vaccinated/unvaccinated study that's, that is accepted by the powers that be as, you know, good enough. The vaccinated/unvaccinated studies that they have, they use another vaccine for, you probably know that. So if you're testing a measles vaccine, you know, you could test it against a diphtheria vaccine, or a flu shot vaccine is tested against a hepatitis A vaccine. There's no saline placebo, because the few studies that exist with saline placebos show how bad the vaccine actually is, and how it makes you not only not respond to the disease when it comes around, but more susceptible to it in many cases.

• 6:40Joe Rogan?

  Have there been any instances where vaccines have been helpful?

• 6:45Speaker 01

  The question of the century, isn't it? Okay, now, we have to back up a minute, because I had that same question, and I had to go dig deep. All the questions you have in your head right now, I had them too at one point. So here I am, a medical doctor, working in the field, believing in pretty much everything I was told, giving hundreds, if not thousands, of vaccines out to my patients. Hepatitis B vaccines in particular, flu shots for sure. I was a nephrologist, kidney specialist, and dialysis, et cetera. And initially, you know, we all kind of have an aversion to needles. I think it's a natural human aversion. So when we're kids, we don't, no one's going, "Oh, I want to go get my vaccines." We're like, you know, "Okay, fine, sore arm, you get over it." Most of us, we're lucky enough

• 7:28Speaker 01

  to get over it. So by the time the first instance of a problem occurred in front of my eyes, I was already a fully seasoned professor of medicine, you know, working in a tertiary care medical center, okay? And so it's been a bit of a process because for me, it was the influenza vaccines in 2008, 2009 that showed me without a doubt that vaccines can and do cause kidney failure and put people on dialysis, that that does happen. It can cause hypertension. So we're not told to take a vaccine history in medical school. We're not told to even look there. It's not even part of, especially in adults. But when I did start looking there, I started to see more and more associations. Let's just put it that way. And so first I had to go down

• 8:13Speaker 01

  the flu vaccine bunny trail. And every time I went down that flu vaccine bunny trail, guess what I was asked? What about polio?

• 8:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  So I thought, all right, even though this has absolutely zero to do with polio, because I'm watching people crap out in front of me after influenza vaccines, let's see about polio. Because I knew very little about polio, just like most people walking around out there do, that, you know, it was invented by this guy named Jonas Salk, and it saved humanity. We don't see these little crippled kids anymore. We don't have iron lungs anymore. Yay. Well, I would have to say that the polio bunny trail was the darkest one of all. And so after polio, then became smallpox. And I thought, you know, we still have people walking the earth that have experienced the polio years. So I kind of like to stick to polio, because most of the smallpox, you know, people that would have been familiar

• 9:06Speaker 01

  with it are off the planet. But there's still some doctors around that'll talk about smallpox. Like a guy named Thomas Mack, who's probably close to 90, who was kind of ground zero in the 1940s and knows a lot about it, and still says, we shouldn't be vaccinated for smallpox today. So then there was that. And then everyone and their dog was talking about autism. And I didn't really want to have anything to do with autism, because I was an adult doctor.

• 9:28Joe Rogan?

  I think we should break down step by step, like, what about polio?

• 9:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

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• 10:38Joe Rogan?

  Because you said polio, once, once we've breached that, because that's the big one.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:42Joe Rogan?

  Right. This is the one that everybody points to. We don't have crippled kids.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:45Joe Rogan?

  What, when you look at the historical timeline of, of polio, what do you think caused it to go to essentially not be a problem anymore?

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 10:58Joe Rogan?

  You, you don't think vaccinations had anything to do with that?

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Well, I also, it's not what I think, because that's the thing. Like, look, when I got into this, I didn't say, oh, you know, I want to argue that vaccines are great. I said, look, I don't care. I didn't have skin in the game. I didn't have vaccine injured kids. I couldn't have cared less about it, essentially, except that it was something in front of me and it didn't make sense. So I thought, wherever the truth falls, that's what I'm going to talk about. So what I say is that I, I, what, what the facts line up to show you is that polio is still here. Polio is still alive and well. Polio is called different things today, whereas back in the 1940s, 1950s, the criteria for diagnosing polio were completely different to the year that the vaccine was introduced. That the, the playing field, the goalposts, everything was changed.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  So that despite the fact that there was more paralytic polio in the years after that vaccine was introduced, they were able to show a complete cascading drop of paralytic polio, simply because of the way they, they changed the definitions of what polio is and what could cause it. And they started testing for the virus, where before they would never test for the virus. And when they started testing for the virus later, what they would find that people had Guillain-Barre syndrome, they didn't have virus, or they had coxsackievirus, or ECHO virus, or they were lead poisoned, or mercury poisoned, which was the mercury and lead were the leading treatments of the day, including bloodletting. They were telling people to put, take your cigarette and put a little bit of arsenic in there, it's good for your lungs. Yeah. They were literally blowing smoke up people's butts. Like, that's

• 12:29Speaker 01

  where the term comes from, because there, if you want to Google that now, you'll see that there is an instrument that does it.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  So, Leah, the polio story, where to even begin? And so, there's about 70 pages. And so, that became my obsession. So, when people said, what about polio? And I started digging this up, I went deep into it.

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  Did you dive into pesticides?

• 12:51Speaker 01

  Yes, yes, you have to dive into pesticides, because the tonnage of production of DDT absolutely mirrored the diagnosis for polio in the days. And the countries that still make DDT today is where we're still seeing this paralytic polio situation happen.

• 13:06Joe Rogan?

  And also, weren't the first cases, didn't they break out in a rural community?

• 13:10Speaker 01

  The first cases of polio, yes.

• 13:12Joe Rogan?

  In the United States, paralytic polio.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  Yes, it was out in the countryside. Well, that was probably more because of the sheep and cow dipping. So arsenic, you'd have to look at arsenic, you have to look at the mercurials, you have to look at the calcium arsenate, lead arsenate sprays that were put on trees. But what you're talking about in particular, they would call the cow disease. They'd go out in the family, when you would go to the house, they'd say, all the kids have the cow disease, what the cows had before. Well, what were they doing? They would have this trenches. You talk to farmers, even today, oh yeah, we had trenches, we would just walk them straight through, and I'd be soaked with the stuff by the end of the day.

• 13:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. So they're basically soaking and bathing in arsenic, which is great for killing fleas and ticks.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  But it's not really great for keeping your nervous system happy, because the fact of the matter is, and this again, I've got medical references, everything, I can't get away with making stuff up, okay? I have to put a reference for everything. But arsenic causes the exact same spinal pathology that, and fevers and everything. It literally mimics what they were calling polio and a polio virus back in the day.

• 14:12Joe Rogan?

  I read this crazy statistic and I still can't believe it's real. That 95 to 99% of all polio is asymptomatic.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  That's exactly right. So polio virus is what we call a commensal, just like you have staph on your skin and strep on your skin and it actually serves a purpose. It keeps other microbes in check as long as you don't get a cut and have not a good immune system to deal from the inside out. So polio, the reason I can say that polio is a commensal is because, again, there are medical studies that showed that people who dared to get on the edge of some of these wild native tribes down in South America or elsewhere, but in particular, I'm talking about a South American tribe called the Gavante Indians. So the Indian Health Service got to the edge of it and bargained that they would get some stool and some blood from the tribes so that they could test it for polio.

• 15:02Speaker 01

  And what they found was 98 to 99% of every person they tested, and it was hundreds of people, had all, had evidence of immunity to all three strains of polio. And they said to them, well, where are all your crippled children? Where's your short legs? Where are the people that died of respiratory failure? And they were like, we don't have, we don't have any of that problem. So it was well known.

• 15:22Joe Rogan?

  Could it possibly be that whatever you're calling polio evolved and became less powerful over time and more contagious? Does, that does happen with some, some viruses, right?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Most vi-

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• 18:17Speaker 01

  Don't become more problematic as they go through the human, the human system. They become less problematic. Remember, remember the whole COVID thing. Like, in the beginning, people were getting super, super sick. It was, it wasn't as contagious, but it was more virulent. And as it attenuated into the human bodies, it sort of just felt, it kind of fizzled out a bit. And then we got the Omicron, which was, you know, less, it was more spreadable, but it was much less pathological. And that's the natural process that happens. So when you're going to have problems, real problems with microbes, they're usually going to be reverse attenuated, meaning made more lethal in a lab. And then they're introduced into the population. And, look, I'm not making this up either.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  1916, Upper East Side, Manhattan, there was a Rockefeller lab that their, their specific stated goal was to try to create the most pathological, neuropathological strain of polio possible. And they did that by taking monkey brains and human spinal serum and injecting it into monkeys. And there was a big problem with that, which was released into the public by accident. And the world experienced the worst polio epidemic on record. 25% mortality, that's unheard of. Really freaked the public out, but as it, as it, and you can see the epicenter as it fanned out. And as it fanned out and as time went on, never heard of it again. It attenuates as it moves through the body because it's a normal human commensal

• 19:42Speaker 01

  that goes back to its normal state when it's in a human. And that's generally what happens. If you have a highly lethal virus and it kills a lot of people, those people are dead. They can't spread anything. So that's kind of a different story if you want to talk about hantavirus or something like that. But as far as polio goes, no, polio was only made more lethal by the stupid things that humans did around it. So make it more invasive into the body, just like you can go do stupid things and end up with herpes outbreaks and, you know, staff outbreaks. Poliovirus is a normal commensal, it used to be, until we obliterated it with oral vaccines and replaced it with vaccine strain, but the wild strains are normal human commensals.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  So there's vaccine-strain polio that just comes from a vaccine and is transmissible?

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Today, it would be the oral polio vaccines because they're the live strains and they're still giving them pulse fashion all throughout India. They did a campaign a few years back in Israel and they always say that a nomad came and, you know, pooped in the sewage system and they find it in the sewage system and they don't want an outbreak to happen, so they treat everybody. So that's today, the most common reason to see poliomylitis disease from a virus. If you test for a virus, they'll usually find the vaccine virus. And that's why today, we don't, remember when we were kids, because we're about the same age, I think, they would give us the sugar cube. Maybe you didn't, but I did. I got the sugar cube and that was the live vaccine.

• 21:11Speaker 01

  Well, they stopped doing that because after a while, the only cases of polio, and it became so obvious that the only cases of polio we were seeing related to a virus, when they tested for poliovirus, were vaccine strains, then they started injecting us again. But the early injections caused more paralytic polio than it prevented. And that's the part that people don't understand when they say, "What about polio?", because they, like you, just go, "Well, there's no more iron lungs, there's no more crippling, there's no more of these little, poor little kids walking around with their casts." Well, that's, that's not true, because the iron lung is now called a ventilator. So, that's out the window. Transverse myelitis, which there are about 1,300 cases, I think it's a month diagnosed, in one particular, I put a quote, I put a quote in here on that, but transverse myelitis

• 21:55Speaker 01

  is actually something that would have absolutely, it follows the same pathology as polio, would have been called polio back in the day. So we still have polio that we had in 1953, because in 1953, all you had to have to be diagnosed as polio. Anyone could diagnose you, just one examination with one set of muscles being paralyzed, there was no timeframe on it, there was no testing done on it, and then it was considered a public service to do it, because then you were eligible for funding.

• 22:22Joe Rogan?

  So what do they call it again? Can you say that word again? Myelitis?

• 22:26Speaker 01

  Poliomylitis. Poliomylitis is the definition of the actual pathology. You know, so it basically means inflammation of the gray matter of your spinal cord. That's what polio in Greek, poliomylitis. It means gray matter inflammation, poliomylitis. Poliomylitis is, is what happens in the body. Okay, if you want to talk about what causes it, then, okay, maybe in some cases a polio virus causes it, and all the other things we just mentioned. Arsenic, lead arsenate, calcium arsenate, injections. Tonsillectomies were huge cause of some of the worst cases of poliomylitis. And in fact, injections and tonsillectomies and unnecessary surgeries were put on hold during the years where the epidemics were the worst.

• 23:11Speaker 01

  So that's just proof that even the surgeons knew that.

• 23:15Joe Rogan?

  Why, but why does it affect it?

• 23:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so if you happen to have poliomylitis circulating in your body, that's not just sitting in your intestines and say it made its way into your body. Because we can, things can go from your intestines into your body. And you happen to have it close to a nerve that's up, say, around your throat, and then you go and take the tonsils out, then what you've done is you've given that access to the blood compartment, the lymph compartment, and the brain stem, which is right there, local. So those are the people that would get what was called bulbar polio, which is the ones that put you on a ventilator. And it's highly lethal. It's one of, it's the worst kind of polio to get, bulbar polio. And it was very well known to have been coincident with tonsillectomies.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  Not only that, but tonsillectomies changed the structure and antibodies and the immunity that occurred in the throat, and it changed it for the, for the worse, not for the better.

• 24:09Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they're unnecessary? Or is there some times when people have to get their tonsils removed? Or is it just a nonsense practice?

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so. Again, it's not, it's not just a cut and dry answer because let's just say that anyone who's ever brought their child to me because their tonsils were touching or they were snoring has not had to have a tonsillectomy. Now, does that mean that a tonsillectomy won't solve that problem where you're snoring and you know, your kids maybe not oxygenating? No, if you let it go that long, probably you're gonna need a tonsillectomy. But I, I've seen so many cases reverse. It's a very easy thing to do, but as doctors, we're not taught about all the things that you were talking about earlier, the, the natural remedies, but just simply gargling with a solution of, of sodium ascorbate, vitamin C, can make a huge difference because tonsils are like, they're like porous golf balls, if you want to think of them that way.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  They've got pits in them and, and so food you eat and bacteria and pus can build up. But if you just start rinsing the outsides of them and start nourishing the body from the inside and getting rid of things that the kid might be allergic to, which almost every kid's gonna eat if your parent doesn't know better, it can make a remarkable difference in these kids that have these huge tonsils. So I think that a lot, I think everything else should be done first before taking out the tonsils if there's time because I'd say 95 to 99% of the time, you can prevent that child from needing their tonsils removed.

• 25:31Joe Rogan?

  Before we go to smallpox, I want to talk about this because you just brought it up. One of the things that Brett Weinstein has explained to me is that aluminum is when, the concept is that giving someone a shot with aluminum in it and triggering an immune response, if they're eating certain foods during that time, they can then develop an allergy to those foods, like certain people with peanuts and various things like that, that are, used to be very common for people to eat, but then a bunch of people developed like pretty severe food allergies.

• 26:12Joe Rogan?

  And he makes this connection that he believes he has this reasonably, it's a reasonable connection to say that there's something.

• 26:20Speaker 01

  Absolutely, a hundred percent. And it's not just something he's dreamed up. Again, provable, medical literature in the book, Dissolving Illusions. The physiology, the pathology is known. It's very well known that the vaccines that have aluminum in them skew the immune system. So the immune system kind of, just if you want to break it down really simply, you have your TH1 arm and your TH2 arm. Your TH1 arm is your really important one. Those are your T cells, you know, your lymphocytes, the cells that, you know, chew up any garbage that's going around. That's the part you want activated in any infection you have, whether it's COVID or measles or smallpox or whatever. And then you have your TH2 arm, which is there mostly to deal with parasites and things like that. And it's mostly an antibody arm of immunity. That's the one the vaccinologists are obsessed

• 27:04Speaker 01

  with, making sure there's enough antibody. So the vaccines that have aluminum in them, as opposed to the live attenuated vaccines, which don't have aluminum, all the other ones do. So your DT, AP is going to have aluminum in them. All your killed vaccines are going to have aluminum in them. And that is very well known to trigger that TH2 response, which is the allergic response, which can set up your body for autoimmunity. And so part of the purpose of breastfeeding, which is part of the blueprint for humanity and every other mammal, is that the mother is able to introduce antigens in the world to her baby through her own breast and things that she's been eating and breathing in. And then the baby's able to develop tolerance. So, you know, while vaccine scientists are

• 27:48Speaker 01

  obsessed with getting antibodies and ramping up an infant's inadequate immune system, the fact of the matter is, is that it's more important to learn what not to react to when your immune system's developing, rather than to becoming defensive against every microbe that could get you. So that's kind of the paradox there and one of the battlegrounds for, you know, immunology, within immunology. And for those of us out here that are going, what are you doing here, you know? Anyway.

• 28:13Joe Rogan?

  You were also talking in your book about the importance of breast milk and the amount of nutrition that's in breast milk for a child and what it does for a child. And the differences in their immune system, the differences in a lot of different aspects of their development. Which is pretty fascinating. And most people

• 28:32Speaker 01

  So fascinating.

• 28:33Joe Rogan?

  Kind of just assume it's food. It's just food.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 28:36Joe Rogan?

  But it's a lot more than that.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  It's so much more than that. And I was actually quite startled when I really went down that rabbit hole to see not only, I mean, it is food. It's excellent nutrition with short-chain fatty acids and sugars that the baby needs. It actually trains your gut to be healthy in the long run as an adult, which trains your immune system as well. But what that mother is putting through her breast milk, you know, things like something called Hamlit, H-A-M-L-I-T, which stands for human alpha-lactobulbin-made lethal to tumors. And this is a substance, this is a protein, it's like a transformer protein that can literally turn into a cancer-busting molecule that is being used by the oncology industry, okay?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  And when it's not in that form, it's a powerful protein that fights off pertussis, all kinds of pneumococcal bacteria. And when it's not doing that, it's food. Okay? So it's like, it's got so many different purposes. Stem cells are coming through that mother's milk. Activated T cells. Activated T cells have another substance in them that is kind of hijacked by the oncology industry. And that is when they're immunosuppressing kids for leukemia or whatever, and they come in contact, say, with chickenpox. What they can do is get somebody like me, who's immune to chickenpox naturally, and take my memory T cells that remember that, and there's a substance in there called dialysable

• 30:06Speaker 01

  leukocyte extract. When you put that into another child, even if whether they eat it or inject it into them, it transfers cellular, that TH1 important arm of immunity I just told you, it transfers it on to them and protects them for a long time. So that's kind of in the old days when mothers had measles in the old days and normally, and they were able to pass this powerful immunity through that DLE factor, as well as all these other things, including preformed immune globulins. I mentioned something like 80,000 stem cells. It's just incredible. And we still have only hit the tip of the iceberg in terms of what we know about breast milk. But breast milk also, it's been proven again, that if you're going to, if you are going

• 30:51Speaker 01

  to vaccinate your baby, if you're breastfeeding, the vaccine will bring that baby more into a TH1. If you're not breastfeeding and you're giving formula, that baby's going to move more into a TH2 in response to that vaccine. So, like, I think if most women understood the powers of breast milk, they would do everything possible to be able to do it.

• 31:11Joe Rogan?

  I think you make a very compelling point for that. I just, I think it's arrogant that we could assume that we could replace something with a, I mean, have you ever read the ingredients of formula?

• 31:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, how could that be good?

• 31:24Speaker 01

  I know. Parasites, we have parasites that have been parasites upon humanity for such a long time. And that's what happens, is that something is discovered, and for some people, maybe it can be a good idea, but then the parasites take it and want to, so when it came to breastfeeding, it was, you don't have to do that, you don't have to bother yourself like that, you don't have to pull your boobs out in public, you don't have to become a dairy cow, just strap them down, the milk will stop, and then you can start putting this wonderful, when I was a kid, I was fed soy milk in a warm plastic bag. That was the fad then, growing up. So, the formula industry is a huge moneymaker, and some women do prefer it.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Fortunately, 75% of women in the USA today do initiate breastfeeding. So that's very much better than the polio days, when almost nobody was breastfeeding, and they were using milk in the infant formula that had been contaminated by what the cows were eating.

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  And so that was another part of the polio story that's not been told.

• 32:25Joe Rogan?

  So the cows were all eating these pesticides.

• 32:28Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:29Joe Rogan?

  And herbicides.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 32:30Joe Rogan?

  And the cows were getting sick with it, and then these people were drinking the milk from that cow and getting sick as well.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Cows wouldn't have been getting necessarily getting sick from it, but it would be concentrating in their milk. And so the milk, the milk would have been expressed, but, but you, you just brought me back to another place. Cows were also used during the smallpox era, and what you're saying is true about that. So they would basically take what they thought, sorry, it's just so dark that I, sometimes you have to laugh. But they would take pus from other animals, scratch it into the belly of a cow, then take the pus, the pus off of the, the big pimples that would form on the belly of a cow. The cow could become very sick, and yet that cow could still be butchered up at the butcher shop. The butcher would get sick with pemphigis or some hand and mouth disease or, you know, so things that the cows normally catch.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  And so those cows could still be used to produce meat in those cases. I don't know that it was used to produce milk. I don't think that would have, I, I don't know. But I know it was used to produce meat because the butchers were getting sick and the people that were eating the, the meat were getting sick. And certainly the people that took the vaccines that had certain who knows what in them. Because it was shown like into the nineteen seventies, eighties, and even recently, I have a reference from after the year two thousand, that there was more bacteria and fungus in the smallpox vaccines than there was smallpox virus. So it was because they had this thing called pure lymph, which was pus that came out of the horse of, a horse's foot

• 34:03Speaker 01

  or a donkey's pus skin, or, or a cadaver of a human, or a cow's ulcerating udders, and scraped into glycerin and called pure lymph and marketed all over the world as a, this is, look, Joe, this was our success. This is the one vaccine that eliminated, eradicated a disease. Can you believe that fairy tale? I'll tell you another one. Like that, it doesn't get crazy. This is our success. This vaccine that I had described in great detail with what was in it and what people saw under microscopes and then later tested genetically was what was called a quasi-species, meaning they don't even, after a while, it became its own thing. It wasn't from a horse

• 34:45Speaker 01

  anymore, it wasn't from a human anymore. They called it humanized horse pox when they genetically characterized the drive acts and then ordered that every drive act specimen on the planet be destroyed. I think that was around 2009.

• 35:01Joe Rogan?

  Why did they do that?

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Good question. I don't know. Hiding the evidence possibly, but they now have a new vaccine, which doesn't work. But they wanted to bring this one back. When I was in my, the peak of my career in 2003, they, I got a letter on my desk stating that they needed people to get vaccinated for smallpox so that those other people that were getting vaccinated would have somebody that could treat them that would be immune to smallpox. Because it's well-known that if you get a smallpox vaccine and you get these horrible scabs, that you are going, you're going to spread smallpox and you're going to have a horrible, itchy time of it, secondary infections. You will need a doctor at some point. Well, it turns out that the trials that they did on super healthy people, soldiers that were

• 35:48Speaker 01

  in top shape, were so bad in terms of cardiac disease and other diseases that the government put it on hold for a second and said, "Oh, no, no, we can't do this." Meanwhile, guess what? They were using the same vaccine in the 1700s and 1800s, late, yeah, 17, late 1700s, all through the 1800s into the 1900s. They would sometimes, you probably saw the picture of the child's arm, considered a good take, five huge ulcers on the arm, with sanitation being what it was, no antibiotics. Can you imagine having your baby have five scars on its arm, ulcerating from these things, having fevers? Sometimes the arms became necrotic. Sometimes the disease spread all over the place and there was nothing to give them

• 36:32Speaker 01

  except bloodletting, mercurials and arsenicals, and heating them up in a dark room with no sunlight. That was the treatment for smallpox. So you tell me why smallpox was so lethal.

• 36:44Joe Rogan?

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• 38:05Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  And just the way, the way people lived is almost unheard of. You, you wouldn't, you wouldn't be able to imagine just the smell of human feces everywhere. Like, streets were filled with outhouses, there was animal shit in the streets, it was no sanitation, there's no running water, it's a disaster. It's a disaster, and there's no good food. So, you got malnutrition, you're exposed to numerous pathogens and just waste. You probably have fecal matter on everything, it's probably unavoidable, attracts in your house, it's everywhere you go.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  It's your drinking water.

• 38:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Your drinking water was the, you would skim the top off for your drinking water back then. And we know that co-infections make, make any primary infection worse. You know, if you have measles and you get a co-infection, it makes it worse. COVID with a co-infection, anything makes it worse. You can end up with, you know, pneumonias and... Puss pockets in your lungs, so yeah, thank you for that description. I don't think I could have done it much better myself.

• 39:05Joe Rogan?

  But that's, that's the

• 39:06Speaker 01

  That was normal.

• 39:07Joe Rogan?

  Go watch Gangs of New York.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:09Joe Rogan?

  That's, that's obviously a drama and, you know, it's probably not completely accurate, but I bet it's pretty close.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:17Joe Rogan?

  But it's pretty close to how people lived back then.

• 39:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, the slums, like you can, you can actually, like in here, it's not all medical articles, articles quoted. Some of the quotes that we use are historical quotes from, you know, anthropologists that would go through the slums in New York. You know, Ellis Island was just bringing people in, bringing people in and these, they would sometimes have 20 people in one room with no privy, dark, you know, like you say, some of the, and the sewage would run underneath the house, so the smell of it would be coming up through the whole time. And then you'd have them working 16 hours a day at the age of, anything upwards of four to five years old could be sent to either coal mines or canneries to bring money in for the families to barely survive. So people weren't being paid very well. But you

• 39:59Speaker 01

  just said smallpox being what it was, but what people don't realize is that in the 1600s, late 1680s, doctors were describing smallpox as one of the easiest diseases to treat if you simply just supported the human, again, quoted, that, and then what happened is the Industrial Revolution and people were taken with the Land Enclosure Acts out from the farms and brought into cities, which didn't have, the pigs basically were the garbage men back then. So the pigs ran wild. Thank God, because if they didn't, it would have been even worse. Horses were your cars, so the horses were dumping everywhere, you know, some people just, they said there was a foot of horse manure to get through to walk across the street. So it was, it was horrible in pretty much every way you can think of and then the human oppression on top of it in terms of the poverty that was there and the

• 40:44Speaker 01

  wealthy elite at the top kind of, you know, living the good life. But it was starting to filter up to them at some point, which is why it was actually individual people that sponsored the first public drinking fountains and things like that. It was probably partly to save themselves. Because if you can, if you can stop disease from running rampant through society, look, they still had to go into the cities to get things.

• 41:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  And even if you sent your servant into the city, your servant could bring you home something lovely from the city. Uh, yeah.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  This is not the picture that was painted when we were children of what society was like.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  No, we were told that this vaccine was so important and it was so effective that we don't need it anymore. I actually ended up with one when I was very young.

• 41:31Joe Rogan?

  I think what we're talking about when we're saying the conditions, that these conditions aren't known to most people and that these conditions coincide with these diseases. And it's probably, it's probably not just a correlation.

• 41:44Speaker 01

  So the conditions correlate with the diseases and the conditions also correlate with the death rates, okay? And so there were many of the diseases that we're talking, say just diarrhea. Do you know diarrhea killed more people in the Civil War than bullets?

• 42:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:01Speaker 01

  And lots of other wars, diarrhea. Diarrhea can be caused by lots of things, nothing that we vaccinate for essentially. Well, I mean, today there's rotavirus, but that wasn't a thing then. It was more, you know, typhus and things like that. So, and cholera.

• 42:14Joe Rogan?

  And they're just getting it from water?

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what that would have been, because they would be out, you know, in the bush or the trenches, you know, drinking what they could. So, redirect me again. We're just talking about the, okay, so the diseases that there were never any vaccines for, we see the death rate come down at the same exact avalanche as the diseases that we did vaccinate for. And in some cases, there's a little blip when the vaccine comes up and things get worse for a bit and then come back down. So, again, the point of the book was just interpreting the data that's existed for a really long time, vital statistics throughout the world as to the decline in death rate. In some cases, the disease rates went down too, but the most important thing was the death rate, because that's what people,

• 43:00Speaker 01

  your baby could die, you have to have a vaccine, right? It's not your baby could have a rash.

• 43:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  You know, so different diseases have different severities and different solutions and different ways to treat them so that they never have to present to a hospital. But like you said, you know, back in those days, you know, there wasn't, the pharmacies basically had your mercurials or centacles if you were lucky, some homeopathics. That was pretty much medicine back then until aspirin was invented, which was probably one of the reasons why the 1918 flu looked as bad as it did because they were giving people up to 10 grams of aspirin a day, which can cause pulmonary edema in a healthy person.

• 43:37Joe Rogan?

  So what was the logic behind the arsenics and the mercurials? Like, how did that become an approach that they used for medicine?

• 43:48Speaker 01

  Well, I don't know, actually. Don't know the answer to why they started doing that.

• 43:53Joe Rogan?

  Those are two really bad things.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you how they prescribed it, is they would say, "Give one grain until emesis occurs." That means throwing up. So give it until a person throws up, because back then, they believed that if they could get you to throw up, they thought if bringing stuff out of your body was good, blood letting, throwing up, and diarrhea. And so that's how, that was the threshold for giving a lot of these drugs. So they thought, instead, you know, how can you get someone to have diarrhea as a doctor? Okay, well, we can give them mercurials and arsenicals. That will do the trick. And so they thought that they could purge the body by doing that.

• 44:26Joe Rogan?

  Arsenic in medicine, past, present, and future?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  Okay. Paradoxically, it's a therapeutic agent that has been used since ancient times for the treatment of multiple diseases. So does it actually cure some stuff?

• 44:40Speaker 01

  No.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  In small doses?

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Well, what good does it cure if you have a dead patient or a patient with neuropathy? You haven't really cured anyone, have you?

• 44:48Joe Rogan?

  Right. Well, isn't it dose-dependent, right? It says arsenic trioxide, the active ingredient in the traditional Chinese medicine, was shown to produce dramatic remission of acute pol-- you could say that word, ma'am.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Promyelocytic leukemia.

• 45:01Joe Rogan?

  Thank you.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:03Joe Rogan?

  Similar to the effect of--

• 45:04Speaker 01

  But then they decided that vitamin A could do it, okay?

• 45:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, transretinoic acid. So retinoic acid, which is vitamin A?

• 45:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:11Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's interesting.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  There are still a lot of poisons used in oncology.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, I would say vitamin A is probably less risky than--

• 45:15Speaker 01

  What's that?

• 45:16Joe Rogan?

  I'd say it's less risky for vitamin A than arsenic.

• 45:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, a little bit.

• 45:19Joe Rogan?

  But is it a different kind of arsenic? Slightly different kind of arsenic? Or a lower dose of arsenic? Is that--

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Uh, they would, they measured things in grains back then, so I, I, I guess that's probably like, maybe like a milligram, something like that.

• 45:32Joe Rogan?

  But the Chinese medicine's probably the root of it, right? Why they thought it was medicine?

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Could be.

• 45:38Joe Rogan?

  And maybe they used the wrong arsenic, or... That's possible.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  I guess you cut, you start trying the things that you have, right?

• 45:44Joe Rogan?

  Mercury's a crazy one, though. Haven't they known that's poison forever? Like, it-

• 45:50Speaker 02

  Wasn't that quicksilver, though? They used, wasn't it in the same thing, or no?

• 45:54Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  It's a fascinating metal, because it's liquid, it's a liquid metal. A lot of people played with it when they were kids. I know some of the smartest people I know talk about how they played with the mercury ball when they were little.

• 46:03Joe Rogan?

  Yikes.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Um, and it's in thermometers, and obviously, it works quite well. There's, there's a use for mer- mercury. But, the reason that, um, that, that it's put into the, it was, actually, in the MMR vaccines and some of the flu vaccines, is because it's an antimicrobial. It'll kill everything, so maybe that was part of that, because it will kill everything, will kill the microbes in a petri dish. So, in order to, because this is one of the realities of vaccine manufacture, which I want your audience to understand, is that vaccines, while it might look like just a clear liquid, in order to make a vaccine, you have to have either a cow that you put ulcers on and scrape the pus off, um, or you can evolve it as it had evolved to, um, maybe

• 46:47Speaker 01

  getting, um, you know, some tumorous cells that came out of a cocker spaniel's kidney, or monkey balls, or, uh, or monkey kidneys. And you plate those cells out, and then you inoculate it with what you want to grow to put in your vaccine later. But in order to keep those cells alive, you have to put animal blood on it, you have to put different nutrients on top of it, you have to put antibiotics, canimycin, you know, things like that, related to the COVID. Here, mercury. Okay, so in the end, you can kill, you can make sure when you have your final product, that if you put a little bit of mercury in there, that it's less likely for any of the fungus, or the spores, or the bacteria, or the adventitious viruses that you didn't know about, that were there before, will be in your final product. Wonderful.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  So you have a product now that you can be not completely sure has any of these, um, deadly microbes, but now has mercury, which the only places it's actually okay to have on, on the planet, mercury, is in vaccines, your tooth-

• 47:45Speaker 01

  Or toxic landfill. So if you were to drop a vaccine at a vaccine clinic onto the floor, the hazmat guys would come in. You're not allowed to just pick it up if it's got a, if it's a mercury containing vaccine. Hazmat people have to come and take that away. Yet we're okay to take, you know, set a portion of that vial and inject it into, you know, a child, a three-month-old child. How does that work?

• 48:08Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't sound logical.

• 48:10Speaker 01

  Six-month-old, actually.

• 48:11Joe Rogan?

  There was also the, the issue with the different types of mercury, right? There was, is it methyl and ethyl, the two different?

• 48:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Apparently ethyl is good and methyl is bad, according to Paul Offit, my senior vaccine scientist. But the fact of the matter is, um, once, once mercury's methylated, and like fish, fish can methylate mercury and they can get rid of it. Um, once we demethylate mercury, it's, it's in us until you do something like, something called chelation, where you can put a chemical into the body that can grab onto it and pull it out through your urine. Otherwise, you're stuck with it. Uh, so, in my opinion, all mercury is bad, um, shouldn't be put into humans, shouldn't be in our food sources, shouldn't be in our environment, except for in the nat-, look, you can even find uranium in nature, right? It's what people do to it to concentrate it and how they use it that becomes a problem.

• 49:01Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't the, the issue that one of them, I don't know, it's methyl or ethyl mercury, um, leaves the body quicker?

• 49:09Speaker 01

  Yes, it's ethyl mercury that leaves the body quicker, because methyl is a, it's a, it's a chemical that gets put onto it, um, naturally. And apparently, um, I'm not an expert on mercury poisoning, but, uh, apparently methyl mercury, we don't have the ability to excrete. But ethyl mercury, we do. Um, yeah.

• 49:30Joe Rogan?

  But wasn't there also an issue that it crosses the blood brain barrier?

• 49:34Speaker 01

  Well, anytime there's inflammation, anything can cross the blood brain barrier.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  With the, it's the aluminum that we really know crosses the blood-brain barrier. And that's still in vaccines today. And, um, yeah, anyway, we get into blood-brain barrier if you want to. That's a whole, that's a whole other story. But, yeah, so mercury, obviously, it can get into the brain. It's, it's, it's found in the brain. It can get into, you know, your adrenals and your other glands and important areas of your body. And even, the thing is that even at such low levels can cause problems. It's no neurotoxin. There's no, has no place for circulating or being deposited in the human body in any form.

• 50:14Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it fascinating that they've done such a good job promoting this? That people are gonna get outraged at what you're saying? They've done such a good job-

• 50:22Speaker 01

  Welcome to my life.

• 50:24Joe Rogan?

  And you've got a lot of courage. I don't want to commend you for that because writing that book and, and being here talking about it takes a lot of courage. And it's from regular people who want to believe the vaccine. They're scarier than anybody. The people that are just rabid vaxers. And they want, they, they stand for science, like they're the warriors for science. And they get very aggressive about it. And they don't even want to breach the subject. They don't even want to look at it. Cause the more you look at it, if you're a logical, rational person without like a deep-seated ideology attached to vaccines, and you just look at the reality of it, you just go, what, what is this? Like, how did you trick people into injecting? How many a year now for kids?

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  What is it?

• 51:10Speaker 01

  It's in the seventies. We're in the sev-, I believe we're in the seventies.

• 51:12Joe Rogan?

  That's insane.

• 51:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:14Joe Rogan?

  That's, and then you want to demonize anybody who says anything about vaccine side effects. You are the craziest of kooks. They come down you with the hardest publicity campaign. It's so transparent. You see it coming a mile away and you're still shocked by how blatant it is. And no one wants to look at the actual issue itself. And no one wants to say like, well, is she right? If you read your book, you're, is she right? If you're right, and I think you're right, like, we've been lied to. And we've been tricked into thinking that this is all settled science. And that's what's infuriating. It's not that, it's anti-science. It's like, this is not science.

• 51:59Joe Rogan?

  What you guys are doing is not science. You've subverted, you've, you've perverted that notion.

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  And you've you've done it in an amazing way. I mean, hats off to you. What they've done in terms of like, brainwashing people to believe that all this is, it's not just necessary, but it saved millions of lives. And anybody that is against it in any way, shape, or form is a quack, and you should be deplatformed and never talked about again. And polite public society and cocktail parties, you'll be shunned.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

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• 54:33Speaker 01

  Well, the way they were able to get away with it is 226 years' worth of propaganda. Because the fact of the matter is that ever since the beginning of the smallpox vaccines, there have been vaccine deaths. The reason, and look, we've added, I brought you a special copy, this is a limited edition. In the 10th anniversary edition, we added 200 pages. We added a chapter called "The White Plague." The White Plague is also tuberculosis. Tuberculosis was a side effect of the, of the smallpox vaccine. Tuberculosis rates were rampant. And in fact, the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, his child died of tuberculosis and so did his two test subjects that he used. And it was a well-known to follow smallpox, lots of doctors talked about it.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  But in about two or three years after the vaccine was accepted in England, you hear doctors speaking out about it, cursing the day they ever agreed to do it to people, to children, to anybody. And so what happened is that the government came down harder and started making it mandatory and would take your furniture away and started intimidating the doctors. And that's an age-old thing as well. And I experienced it, and any doctor that's ever stepped out of line and said something bad about vaccines will either be intimidated or worse. So, 220 years of propaganda, 226 years of propaganda, and so I'm just going to give you one example, and I'll give you a copy of this to have, and you can put it up later if you want.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  But in 1984, because there was so much, so much going on in terms of the public learning about the problems with the diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine, and the polio vaccines, that a federal register was issued by the government and went to all health departments in the United States, which is supposed to have just kept there and never circulated. And it said, quote, "Any doubts whether or not well-founded about the safety of the vaccination program must not be allowed to exist." That's literally what it said. It's straight out of, you know, Lenin. So you had that, and then you have the changing of the goalposts and the outright lies within scientism, because it's not science, it's a religion that calls itself

• 56:44Speaker 01

  science, and we still are a victim of that today. Most science today is sponsored by the very people that are going to profit from it. And I think, and even, look, even Jenner, who invented the smallpox fancy, never did a scientific study, he never did a controlled study, he never did non-vaccinated people, vaccinated people, and then exposed them to smallpox in a large enough group. He would cowpox them, and then expose them to smallpox, and it was well-known that smallpox followed cowpox. So, it's just been, look, again, I never expected to be here, I just wanted to be a healer, I just wanted to be a doctor, I wanted to be a nephrologist and teach medical students and make the world a better place for people. That's all I ever wanted.

• 57:27Speaker 01

  This is a nightmare for me, actually, to, while I've met some incredible people, and I've had a really good life, and I have no regrets, and I would do it all again, no doctor wants to be put in a position where their integrity is doubted, their sanity is doubted. And if you want to pull up a page called, it is called Rational Wiki, I think, maybe? Anyway, I'm considered a Sith Lord, a very, and in fact, I didn't know what a Sith Lord was back then, I had to actually look it up, so I'm like Darth Vader. So, it was a bit of a compliment, but on the other hand, most doctors can't tolerate being called quacks or having their reputation destroyed, and, you know, I went from treating

• 58:11Speaker 01

  the CEO of, actually, the head of the laboratory at my hospital for hypertension, to becoming, you know, somebody that was doubted on every levels after a while because of one thing that I said, which was, can we stop giving vaccines to my sick patients, to people who are having chemotherapy while they're having chemotherapy, to my patient before I've even seen them on the ward? Can we just, can we just hold this up and give it to them on the day of discharge? That was my request in the beginning. That's how this all landed here, and had they not tried to intimidate me, doubt me, and pushed me to research and show that what I saw was actually real, I would still be lockstep working as a regular doctor, because there were some good things about it. So... The, the, look, even if you look at what happened with COVID, let's just look at

• 58:56Speaker 01

  that. Like, how, how did they pass this off? Look at the media today. Do you know that they're giving COVID vaccines to six-month-old children now? We know how bad it is. We know that it ruins stem cells in pregnant women. They don't give stem cells to their babies. The industry's upset because the placentas no longer have stem cells, and they used to use those stem cells in research and cosmetics, et cetera. They're not getting them anymore because of what the COVID shots did to the placentas and those infants. That's not being talked about in the media. Nothing bad about the shots being talked about when we have Kevin McKernan and all these people looking at it going, "There's SV40 in it. There was a Staphylococcal endotoxin gene. There were two snake genes in there. You know, it's a definite gain of function." Nope. We gotta put it on the vaccine, the baby vaccine schedule.

• 59:39Speaker 01

  Because any doubts whether or not well-funded about the vaccination must not be allowed to exist. That's why.

• 59:45Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like a religion.

• 59:46Speaker 01

  And it's been gone on.

• 59:47Joe Rogan?

  It sounds like a cult. It sounds like a crazy cult that the whole world's been sucked into. Giving a COVID shot to a baby today is insane.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Three of them. They get three by the certain, you'd have to look up the schedule, but I believe it starts at six months and they get three of them, kind of boom, boom, boom. Are doctors really recommending this? It's, it's on the, it, it, look, there's, there's a group of people called ACIP, the doctors, usually with, with vaccine interests in their bank accounts, that make the recommendations for the vaccines. And they've recommended that, that six-month-old. So if your doctor is following the ACIP program, you have to be offered that vaccine. And now that doctor, this is another part of the story, is that doctor's likely to lose $250,000 a year if they don't do that because there's incentive given to hospitals and doctors, which is what naively I was on the other end of when I woke up in 2008

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  and said, "Wait a minute, why are we doing this stuff to my sick, inflamed patients? You're giving them more inflammation." It's because the hospital would lose something like $40,000 if they didn't give a vaccine within the first 24 hours of admission. Oh, my God. And they would get forty thousand. It was all a money game. That's really the bottom line of it. And I didn't know that until a nurse years ago, who was a high-level administration. She said, Suzanne, this is why they did that to you. Wow, okay. Well, at least it makes sense now.

• 1:01:11Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wants to think of it as a business. Nobody wants to think you're making business decisions at the expense of someone's health. And possibly whether or not they make it. Like, what are you doing?

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  Well, that's been the case since, you know, basically, the medical profession was infiltrated in the early nineteen hundreds by, you know, high-level interests that didn't want us thinking for ourselves and carrying on with the natural cures that actually work, carrying on with normal midwifery. There were just so many changes that happened as a result of best-practice medicine, not to mention, you know, the forming of the AMA by a couple of real quacks. That's a really good story. And the AMA would give their stamp of approval. So say you created an infant formula. Well, it would say AMA approved, and your infant formula would sell even better. Remember when doctors smoked camels? Because camels were best. Those were the days.

• 1:02:04Joe Rogan?

  And this is also the time when this coincides with when Rockefeller was designing the school system, right?

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Well, first Rockefeller, I think oil was one of their primary.

• 1:02:17Joe Rogan?

  So that's the pharmaceutical aspect of it.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Oh, so you want to talk about the school system?

• 1:02:22Joe Rogan?

  No, but he did both, right? He was a part of both. So he was a part of the... The reason why natural cures are so easily dismissed, and why it's so dismissed, because Rockefeller put the entire medical establishment on oil-based.

• 1:02:34Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:02:35Joe Rogan?

  So all pharmaceutical drugs that are made by using oil.

• 1:02:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  And he did it because he sold oil.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  You know, want to know the irony? It kind of works.

• 1:02:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, I got rid of a really bad case of mange in a dog by kerosene, putting kerosene diluted in olive oil. And they'd been through everything. They could not get rid of this mange on this beautiful dog.

• 1:02:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. That's crazy that that worked.

• 1:02:57Speaker 01

  It was a cane corso dog. And, yeah, so...

• 1:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Mange is horrible for dogs. Oof.

• 1:03:01Speaker 01

  Really bad. But one spray, it was done.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  I had a dog that I picked up.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  You have to keep careful around, like, you know, flames and stuff.

• 1:03:08Joe Rogan?

  I had a dog that I picked up off the street and took her in, and she had horrible mange. But it all went away with just food. I just gave her healthy food.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  No, it can't. Joe, come on, you had to have an expert help you.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  No kerosene, no nothing, just love.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Food? That was an argument I had in a hallway once with the senior Chief of Medicine. He was, he was like, he would always say, so, how are you today? Normally be like, good, you know, superficial confidence. I said, by the way, I'm having real trouble with, you know, the H1N1 vaccine. My patient's getting kidney failure after getting it. And he, he turned dark on me. I never saw him dark before. And he said, no, they just didn't have time to take effect. And of course, then I heard every kind of soundbite in the book from him, which I didn't know were soundbites at the time. And then he said, well, what do you think is happening with meningitis in these, these college kids? I'm like, oh, come on, that's a total no-brainer. It's like, their nutrition goes down the tubes when they leave home. They're smoking, they're staying up all night long, they're hanging out with their pals, they're doing everything they couldn't do when they were at home. Oh, you gotta be kidding me. So you

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  think it's their food that's, that's, that's causing problems? And I was like, well, what medical school did you go to? Like, I was actually taught that nutrition matters, and how it matters, and why it matters. But that's been almost completely, like, if you're, if you wanna sneak vitamin C into somebody's hospital room, you know the best way to do it? Don't bring in a jar of vitamin C, because they will stop that at the door. You get yourself a McDonald's milkshake, or a burger, and you just dump that milkshake out, and you put something else in there, a smoothie with some vitamin C, and they will say, off you go. That's perfectly fine. That's gonna be great for this person, this child. That's how you can get it in. Because they think that McDonald's is wonderful. In fact, McDonald's are kinda situated proximal to a lot of hospitals, and the McDonald's, Ronald McDonald houses

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  are there and everything else. But bring in a homeopathic, or, you know, magnesium, or vitamin C, and you've gotta get permission for it, and go through so much red tape, and a lot of time you'll be told, no, you can't give it, because, oh, you'll cause bowel necrosis, you'll cause diarrhea, you'll cause kidney stones, everything in the book that doesn't actually happen with vitamin C. But it's what most, look, they've measured vitamin C levels on people that enter hospitals, and pretty much everybody's deficient, or on the border of deficient when they enter. And pretty much everybody, when they leave, is, got borderline scurvy.

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  If not full, full scurvy. Fortunately, they go home and start doing other things and can rebuild some of their vitamin C scores. But there, there is, there's a lot of subclinical scurvy walking around out there. And those are the people that are gonna do the worst with the vaccine and then the worst, they're gonna do the worst with.

• 1:05:37Joe Rogan?

  Subclinical scurvy in modern society.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:05:41Joe Rogan?

  Just from poor diet.

• 1:05:42Speaker 01

  Well, you know, it's not just the poor diet. So, any kind of stress will consume vitamin C. A cigarette will consume 75 milligrams of vitamin C. And they tell you that you only need 190 milligrams a day. That's the FDA requirement.

• 1:05:55Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  So you just have a few cigarettes and you've depleted your, your stores. So, we don't make our own vitamin C as humans. Humans and guinea pigs, you know, that's, we don't, we don't do that. And so, we have to consume it. And we're reliant upon our fruits and vegetables or supplements to do, or if you eat organ meat, you can eat the adrenals that are loaded with it. But aside from that, it's your fruits and vegetables that, that are gonna give it to you. So, if, if you're under a lot of stress, or you're taking medication, or you have a lot of inflammation, or arthritis, whatever, that's gonna consume vitamin C. Cause vitamin C is an antioxidant, as well as an antiviral and, you know, good for your nerve, nervous system. So, yeah, most people are walking around skimming the, the edge. If you have, you can see kind of a red line on some people's gums. They're

• 1:06:41Speaker 01

  probably vitamin C deficient. If your gums are bleeding a lot, when you floss, you probably need some vitamin C. And, you know, you could have an infection too. But it will deal to the infection, as well as the integrity and the collagen inside of your bones and your soft tissues. I mean, it's, it's like one of those things that's so important, it should be given upon admission to every hospital.

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  And what's really crazy is if you're one of those people that thinks that all you need is a balanced diet, and you're eating like a piece of chicken and some lettuce.

• 1:07:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Like that, there's no vitamin C in any of that. Or not enough.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Probably not enough. Yeah.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  Not enough.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  Chicken lettuce won't do it. Yeah.

• 1:07:13Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you're, if you're not consuming, like some sort of liposomal vitamin C supplement, if you're not taking something on top of that, you're probably not at an optimal level to survive anything. Which is, it's also, it's like part of why we have so many metabolic diseases. We have bad metabolic health. We have metabolic diseases, like they should, it should be super obvious, like, oh, everyone's like really unhealthy and doesn't have any nutrients in their system. And they're all getting really sick from all these different things.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:43Joe Rogan?

  But everyone's like, no, you need medicine. You need a shot, you need a this, you need a that, need to get on this, need to get off that, get back on this.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  And you're a hippie if you want to just eat kiwi fruits and get your vitamin C from that, or have oranges, or broccoli, oh my gosh, broccoli makes you a total hippie, or kale, you forget about it.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 1:08:05Speaker 01

  Now, see, we have a different kind of malnutrition today than than we describe in the book. Back then, it was, people were toxic from basically drinking poop water and being worked to death and having diseases all around them. And so they were protein calorie malnutrition, as well as vitamin as well. Today, we have kind of disnutrition, you know, like D Y S, disnutrition, and that, everyone's fat, so they don't really look malnourished. Pretty much, you know, you go on a cruise, or you go to the beach, even skinny people have big bellies now. Big belly is the thing. What was that?

• 1:08:40Joe Rogan?

  I said, go to Burt Kreischer's house.

• 1:08:42Speaker 01

  Who's that?

• 1:08:43Joe Rogan?

  That's my friend.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:08:44Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna hate that you don't know who he is.

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  But, you know, so today, we've got inflamed guts from, you know, glyphosate, and, you know, the wheat that's been altered to make us inflamed, and then just the chemicals that are added to our food, and the vitamins that actually don't help us and set us back, that are fortifying our, you know, bread and milk, lack of vitamin D. So we have a different kind of a problem, but essentially causing the same bodily dysfunction.

• 1:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the wheat thing I used to think was nonsense, until I ate pasta and bread in Italy. And I was like, okay, why do I feel so much better?

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:20Joe Rogan?

  Why do I not feel like I just ate poison? Because I love, like, pizza. Oh.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, who doesn't?

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  I love lasagna. Oh, I love it. I love it. It's so good. But after it's over, I'm like, I'm... Incapacitated for like an hour or two, for like a two hour period, you're just like a shadow of yourself, just.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you you think, oh, maybe it's just the high carbs, but you just proved that it wasn't because in Italy you were okay with it.

• 1:09:48Joe Rogan?

  I ate a whole pizza in Italy and I was waiting for it. I was like, I'm gonna eat this margarita pizza, it's so good.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  I did it too.

• 1:09:54Joe Rogan?

  They made it in a brick oven. I was like, this is so good, I'm eating the whole pizza, I don't care, I don't care what it's gonna feel like afterwards. I ate that whole pizza and then I was like, where's it? Is it coming?

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Waiting for the hit.

• 1:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Never came, never came, I felt normal, I felt like I just ate food. I was like, this is nuts, like, no crash.

• 1:10:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, the bread in Scandinavia, same.

• 1:10:12Joe Rogan?

  That's what people used to eat.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  People don't know that, that, what's that?

• 1:10:15Joe Rogan?

  I said, that's what people used to eat.

• 1:10:17Speaker 01

  It is, like, real, real food, real grain.

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  People need to understand, like, what they did was, and this is according to, um, Maynard from Tool, do you know Maynard Keenan, the lead singer of Tool?

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Uh, he actually runs a farm, he, uh, he has vineyards and he has like, uh, like, he's Caduceus is his wine label and he's like really good at growing things and, because he has a restaurant. He was explaining to me that what they did is they just engineered it to have higher yield. So they put more, it's got more complex glutens in it, so it's not the normal organic wheat that grows in Italy where they don't have genetically modified crops.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:53Joe Rogan?

  So you can still get that flour and you can still get that pasta from Italy and it's much more consumable.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  But the American stuff is just, it's just, your body's like, what is this? It just comes in like sludge.

• 1:11:06Speaker 01

  It is interesting.

• 1:11:07Joe Rogan?

  It feels like I ate glue, that's what it always feels like.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:10Joe Rogan?

  Unless it's, um, really good sourdough bread, that doesn't seem to have that.

• 1:11:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I kind of agree, like, I'm not gluten sensitive, but I, I definitely feel more awake when I don't have it.

• 1:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not good for you.

• 1:11:20Speaker 01

  It's good on holiday or when you wanna go to sleep.

• 1:11:22Joe Rogan?

  But it's so delicious.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  You know, I know.

• 1:11:24Joe Rogan?

  It's so delicious. But this is also a problem and this goes back to when R.J. Reynolds. Was going through all their stuff with the lawsuits that were coming from people realizing, oh my god, cigarettes give you cancer. They're not good to like, smoke if you have emphysema. I thought they were good for-

• 1:11:38Speaker 01

  Add some arsenic and it'd be great.

• 1:11:40Joe Rogan?

  There was a movie, and I forget what movie it was, and it-

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  Thank you for smoking.

• 1:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's that. But there was a movie where Leonardo DiCaprio was young, and he was sick, and his doctor was prescribing cigarettes to him. And like, the mother was saying, did you smoke your cigarettes? The doctor told you- You're like, you're not smoking. Like, you need to keep up your health.

• 1:12:04Speaker 01

  Well, you know, there's something to that, because you know about the nicotinic receptors, and you know the smokers got less COVID than the rest of us, and-

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  I did hear about that. Well, also, doesn't nicotine kill COVID? Like, people were saying that nicotine, no. So that's what it is? That's how it kills it?

• 1:12:18Speaker 01

  Well, what happens, so, so, the spike of COVID, just the evil part of COVID, has all these horrible, lab-engineered proteins encoded into them. The two of them are snake toxin proteins that bind on to your nicotinic receptors, okay? So if you can smoke nicotine, or take nicotine gum, then you're gonna block those receptors up so that, so you can trade off some of the stuff that's from the spike.

• 1:12:44Joe Rogan?

  What about, like, nicotine pouches?

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, that would probably, if you're having, you know, long COVID, or, you know, any kind of post-COVID syndrome, that's related to the nicotinic receptors, you only know by trying it. But listen, I always say, start small. Don't go out and be a hero, and, you know, take a whole dose at once. Start with a quarter of whatever it says, and wait and see what happens.

• 1:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:05Speaker 01

  Because nicotine's a powerful drug.

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  Try a cigar. Pick up the cigar habit.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, there you go.

• 1:13:10Joe Rogan?

  It's a wonderful habit. Yeah, that was an uncomfortable thing in the beginning of COVID, they were saying that, for some reason, smokers seem to be having a much easier go of it. Like, what? How do you have a respiratory disease where smokers are, statistically speaking, getting less COVID?

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I mean, I've been around, I did a tour one time, and there were two heavy, heavy smokers on the bus with me, and they were the only two people that didn't come down with whatever flu with all the rest of us got. Not even that flu couldn't even live in their throats.

• 1:13:43Joe Rogan?

  It's kind of makes sense if you think about it.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  Well, it changes the polarity of your mucous membranes, the charge of the cells on your mucous membranes. And that's probably part of why even the viruses can't adhere properly.

• 1:13:54Joe Rogan?

  We're not encouraging cigarette smoking.

• 1:13:56Speaker 01

  No, we're not at all.

• 1:13:56Joe Rogan?

  But we are saying it's got some benefits.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  But if you are, it should be non-cured, naturally cured.

• 1:14:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like American Spirits, like those kind of deals?

• 1:14:03Speaker 01

  I get all my smoking friends to convert to that brand.

• 1:14:06Joe Rogan?

  Does that help?

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Totally. Come on, are you kidding me? You know how many horrible carcinogens there are. Do you know back in the native days when they were smoking and people were smoking natural cigarettes? It was almost unheard of for them to develop lung cancer.

• 1:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:14:18Speaker 01

  With the natural tobacco.

• 1:14:20Joe Rogan?

  American Spirits cigarettes are not healthier.

• 1:14:22Speaker 01

  They're absolutely wrong. It is.

• 1:14:24Joe Rogan?

  It's marketed as natural and additive free, which may lead people to believe that they are a safer option. However, there's no scientific evidence to support this claim. They may even have higher levels of nicotine than some other brands. But the nicotine is not the problem.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  That's exactly right.

• 1:14:38Joe Rogan?

  Just by them saying that there, that leads me to think that this might be propaganda. Because saying that nicotine is not the problem, that's...

• 1:14:46Speaker 01

  Who is our source?

• 1:14:46Joe Rogan?

  Or rather saying that they have, might have more nicotine.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Oh, this is AI overview. Okay.

• 1:14:51Joe Rogan?

  But I understand, but AI should understand that nicotine is...

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Ask Tony Hinscliff.

• 1:14:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  He smokes.

• 1:14:56Joe Rogan?

  I know, I know he does. I'm just saying, AI doesn't make sense. What doesn't make sense is that it's saying they might have more nicotine, but that doesn't matter.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  They're not addressing the actual question.

• 1:15:05Speaker 02

  I was just using that to skip time, to save time, so we don't have to go through the...

• 1:15:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no. I'm not saying to you. I'm just saying to them. Like, what they're writing seems to kind of be silly. Marketing of American Spirits as natural can create a false sense of healthiness, which may make it more difficult for people to quit smoking. I think smoking companies wrote this. I think the other companies fed this information.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  Don't you love the packages that have the people spitting up blood on the packages and stuff? Do you see them, right?

• 1:15:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, in England, you get those?

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  No, they have it now.

• 1:15:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they have it in America here?

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  Do they not have it?

• 1:15:34Joe Rogan?

  They used to have it in America. In England, you'd go to England and they had photos of people with like rotten faces.

• 1:15:38Speaker 01

  That's right. That's where I first saw it. But it's moved to the rest of... I know, it's hilarious. It's like, can they still buy them and smoke them?

• 1:15:44Joe Rogan?

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• 1:17:09Joe Rogan?

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• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  They're just everywhere and, and there's, there's a lot of things in the environment can cause cancer. But, sometimes things get into medications that can cause cancer. And, what is, what is SV40?

• 1:18:32Speaker 01

  I just wrote down SV40 while you were talking.

• 1:18:34Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  And I'm gonna, I'm just gonna give you an example of what you're saying is correct. And, the fact of the matter is, is that all cancers in humanity have gone up since the inception of vaccination. And my opinion, my educated opinion is that our lifespan should be 120 years. And I think with the knowledge that we have and, and the wealth that we have on this planet, ingenuity we have on this planet, we should be able to be touching the 120-year mark more commonly than we do. Um, so when vaccines started, um, coming into humanity, we were in, we started introducing, uh, animal disease into humanity through the skin. And then we started doing intermuscular injections, uh, after the hypodermic needle was created. And then you started having deeper injections of, of, of animal disease and of chemicals and, and mercuries and things like that.

• 1:19:20Speaker 01

  Uh, so, along comes polio research. And the polio vaccine, uh, even to this day, is made on African green monkey kidney cells. Now, the African green monkey kidneys, early on, were basically taken out of their wild habitat in India, and millions of monkeys were brought, uh, to the USA for use. Unbeknownst to them, and discovered by a scientist named Dr. Bernice Eddy, is that there was a, a cancer-causing entity inside of the, uh, inside of the, the substrate that they were using to make the vaccine on the Petri dishes. And that entity was simian virus 40, SV40, called SV40 because before, there were 39 others discovered before it. Now, we're up over 100.

• 1:20:04Speaker 01

  So that information was suppressed heavily. Bernice Eddy was offered a ticket to wherever she wanted to go and as much money as she wanted, and she said, "No, I'm staying." Long story short, they just kept taking her away from her work and distracting her. And there was another doctor, J. Anthony Morris, as well. Anyway, so SV40 was around, and then Maurice Hilliman validated it later and said it came from the African green monkey kidneys. Now, it's benign in African green monkey SV40. It is not benign in human beings. In human beings, it was called the perfect war machine by Dr. Michelle Carbone, who was one of the primary researchers looking at the carcinogenic potential of Simeon virus 40. So Simeon virus 40 would have been in the live polio vaccines because there was nothing

• 1:20:47Speaker 01

  to kill it, but it was most likely also in the killed. And African green monkey cells are actually still a listed ingredient on vaccines, so you can go ahead and look that up. It's a fact. So how this affects me is that I'm a kidney specialist, and I looked at the curve of kidney cancers that have gone up since the inception of polio vaccines and SV40 introduction. So what this virus does, it enhances two cancer-promoting genes and it inhibits two cancer suppressors, okay? That's why it's called the perfect war machine. So that was in the vaccines that were injected. And so the bad news is that we don't need vaccines to give it to us anymore because

• 1:21:32Speaker 01

  we're going to give it to each other forever, and it's never going anywhere. That was introduced to humanity, like a lot of other diseases were, through vaccination. We can give it to our kids, we can give it to each other, it comes out in the urine, and so it lives in the green monkey kidneys, it lives in our kidneys. As a kidney specialist, there were a lot of mysterious diseases. Lo and behold, there was some research into some of them, and the research was just put -- this is the other thing. The research that's really important just gets killed. The funding gets killed. In terms of SV40 kidney cancers, there's no doubt that the rate of kidney cancers has gone up alongside with the infection rate of humanity for SV40, as well as diseases like glomerulonephritis, which they do find the pathogen.

• 1:22:15Speaker 01

  Genetic material inside and they and even in the old days they found it in the tumors, but not the surrounding areas. So that just tells you that it was a stimulant for the tumor cells to just start propagating. So that's, that's just one of the things that that's just one of many, many of the obvious ones. And even though it's been well defined in the medical literature, you will see, still see that they only admit that it causes mesotheliomas and one other thing, not that it causes all the other things that it does that it's been shown to cause in the other medical literature that got its funding revoked.

• 1:22:46Joe Rogan?

  So SV40 is now contagious amongst people?

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Yeah. We probably both have it. Most of us probably have had it one time or other, you know, whether it's lying dormant in our kidneys, it depends on, it'll, everything depends on your background immunity, which depends on what you're doing for fun and not fun and how you're eating and how much you're sleeping, et cetera, how much sun you're getting, sweating. Sweating gets rid of a lot of stuff. It's really good to sweat.

• 1:23:14Joe Rogan?

  It's just such a disturbing thought that this was introduced to people through vaccines and now is spreading. And what is the, what's the like the worst health impact that it could have if it spreads to you and not through a vaccine? If you didn't get it through this vaccine and you just get it from another person, like?

• 1:23:32Speaker 01

  Oh, it's the same thing. It's not going to make much difference in terms, it'll, it'll gravitate to your kidneys. Obviously, it probably goes to lung as well. Brain, brain tumors were a big problem with it back in the polio days. Dr. Michelle Carbone was looking at the brain tumors with that. There's a really good book called The Virus and the Vaccine by Bookchin and Schumacher. It's an incredible book that details everything about those years, the scientists involved, the suppression, the oppression, the lies, the skullduggery. Then they would bring in the scientist who had no experience in actually detecting SV40 and lo and behold, he couldn't find it. And he was the one that got to make the ultimate statement on whether SV40 causes human disease or not.

• 1:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Just how could they keep injecting that into people if they know this?

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  Oh, and the stocks that contained SV-40 were still, um, basically being used by the vaccine manufacturers up into the 1990s and probably beyond because there's two different kinds of SV-40. You're making me remember a whole bunch of things that I thought I forgot. But there's the, um, there's the fast dividing and there's the slow dividing. There's two different kinds of strains of it. And the original tests, though, when they made a vaccine, they would test it for 14 days looking for SV-40. If it didn't have it, off you went and your vaccine was good to go. But the problem is there was a slower dividing SV-40 that remained in the vaccines that were injected and probably in the stocks that are, the stock is basically like your, your, your mother tincture or whatever.

• 1:25:00Speaker 01

  It's what you use to kind of inoculate all the new batches over time. And so the stocks were found, that's again, quote, Dr., um, Attorney Stanley Kopp's quote in the book about the SV-40 still being in the stock up and through the 1990s. And, you know, God only knows if there's, if it's still, if they're still using those same stocks. I don't know because I haven't gone into the, to the more modern times of SV-40. But yeah, we all have it and there's no doubt in my mind that it's just like another one of the things that the parasites have finally pretty much put into us to set us back.

• 1:25:34Joe Rogan?

  Demons.

• 1:25:36Joe Rogan?

  It's like, like real world demons. It's so crazy that someone would know this and still have this as an ingredient in a vaccine.

• 1:25:45Speaker 01

  Well, they'll say that it was, it was just an unfortunate set of events that happened because they took wild monkeys from India. See, I could work for them. That's their excuse. And they say, we've, we cleaned it up, you know, we started our own monkey colonies and we started breeding our own monkey colonies that were now found to be free of SV-40. Um, the only problem with that is that, as I said, they had already inoculated humanity and, and it's, it's with a virus that can be spread vertically and horizontally as the scientists would describe, meaning we've all given it to each other. Um, I think there are going to be very few people walking around today that haven't been introduced to it.

• 1:26:18Joe Rogan?

  Have there ever been a comparison of, um, pre-cancer rates, pre SV-40 and post SV-40?

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I did is I, I, in one of my videos, I did that and, and looked at the cancer rates since they were. You know, so again, what they'll say is, well, we just didn't look at the rates beforehand. But the rates were quite low before. You can know what the surgical, what the nephrectomies were, though it's kind of an easy thing to look at because that's the treatment for kidney cancer. You take the kidney out because you've got another kidney and it's a slow growing tumor, even though it can metastasize. But anyway, I did look and the rate has skyrocketed for kidney cancers. Pretty much everybody knows somebody who had a kidney cancer.

• 1:27:02Joe Rogan?

  And that was not common?

• 1:27:04Speaker 01

  No. And also these protein losing diseases, which is, again, it's not controversial. It was documented when they looked at the areas that were affected in the kidney, which with these horrible disease that makes people lose the proteins that need to stay in their blood, in their body, out into their urine, that the SV40 was related to that. It's called focal and segmental glomerulosclerosis, and it's a real problematic disease in children and adults. Ultimately, you have to go on horrible chemotherapy drugs that ruin your immune system, and then transplantation if you can't stay on top of it. Big moneymaker. Now, do I think that that was the purpose? Look, I don't know what was in the hearts and minds. I don't know what was accidental, what wasn't. But I do know that there was

• 1:27:48Speaker 01

  intentional suppression of the truth. Any doubts, whether or not well-funded, must not be allowed to exist. That is a fact, and it's always been that way. And there have been scientists and doctors talking about that since the beginning of vaccination.

• 1:28:01Joe Rogan?

  It's just too horrible to believe for most people, I think. And then also-

• 1:28:06Speaker 01

  Yes, you're correct.

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  It goes against religious dogma, you know, especially with people that are like firmly on the left-

• 1:28:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  -trusting the science and trusting the experts. Those are two things at the front.

• 1:28:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's kind of a childlike situation that humanity, most of humanity is in, is that they're, you know, I think most people are good, and they want to believe everybody else is good.

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:30Speaker 01

  And they want to believe that the government is looking out for them. And it's a really, it's a kind of horrifying. Imagine if it was true that your government actually wasn't looking out for you, and that might be one of the causes of your decreasing lifespan. Imagine that, if the government might not care so much if your baby ends up with no stem cells, or your baby gets cancer or autism, which will be outright, I mean, look at autism. Hello. Like, do we- How many, I don't even know where to start with that. But that was another thing where there was no doubt whether or not well-funded allowed to exist, what came to autism. And every autistic parent, parent of an autistic child will tell you this. Everyone that's tried to lobby and get to the truth with autism will tell you that

• 1:29:10Speaker 01

  the brick walls and the plexiglass and the lead walls that went down were intense and still are intense. And the lying studies that they use to uphold vaccines don't cause autism are so easy to dismantle. But you know, Joe, you know, the lie gets around the earth three times before the truth has a chance to get out of bed. And, and that's just pretty much what happens when the media is owned. And like, you're, you're like one of the cracks in the matrix here, quite frankly.

• 1:29:38Joe Rogan?

  I think for a lot of people, it's too horrible to believe, especially if they have an autistic child, that this was caused by a vaccine. I know a guy who told me that he believes the vaccine had an impact on his child having autism, and then later was shaming people for not taking the COVID vaccine. That's how strong the impulse is, and that's how good the propaganda was. And that's how cowardly a lot of people are when it comes to fighting against a narrative. They get very scared of being socially ostracized and they, they just, they can't speak their mind. They can't tell the truth, and they'll whisper it to maybe this one guy that they're friends

• 1:30:21Joe Rogan?

  with, like, hey, you know, I don't, I don't want to take it, man, but I have to for work. Like, yeah, I don't want, I don't trust them either. But, you know, shh, don't tell anybody I said that. You know, you don't want anybody thinking you're on the bad side. And we all saw the propaganda on television. There's some amazing montages that people put together lately of people saying horrible things about the vaccinated people, unvaccinated people, horrible things, saying that it's, it may be ghoulish to laugh when unvaccinated people die, but it might be necessary. Like, what?

• 1:30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, a few of us have to take one for the team.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  It's, it was just the weirdest propaganda campaign, and people were doing the job of the man. It wasn't the man forcing the people to do this thing. It was people doing the job of the man. And going after the people that hadn't stepped in line. And I think for a lot of people, it's like they felt terrible that they had to do it. But if they did it, now I'm righteous. Now I'm on the good side. Why don't you do it too, man? I fucking did it. You should do it too. You're fucking selfish. You get a lot of that. You know, you get a lot of people who they know they made a mistake and they want you to make that mistake too, you know?

• 1:31:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be good to know what really goes through their heads. I think COVID was, again, it was unique. But when you talk to parents who have autistic children, the vast majority of them not only know absolutely without a doubt that their child became autistic, usually within 24 to 48 hours after a certain vaccine, but that every doctor told them it wasn't the case. And then they go digging deep into the scientific literature and learn how to sometimes resuscitate that child's brain or detox them and then recover them. And then they're actually beaten up even worse for doing that because they're just neurodiverse, you know? There's nothing wrong with your child. They're just quirky. No, your child banging its head against the wall, walking around with a baby bottle and a diaper

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  at the age of 18, your big hairy son doing that, that is not neurodiverse quirkiness. That is a serious pathological disease that probably could have been dealt to at the time and should have been prevented. It should have never happened. So most parents that have that situation are on fire. It's a minority that will say have the situation that you have right now. Most of them, that's a wake-up call, which is why they get beat up and suppressed even worse than I do. But when it comes to COVID, there was, the psychological campaign, I think, was very effective in that people that I would have never imagined took the jab. Like, friends of mine who I, in a million years, would have, I would have bet my life that they would say no to it, ended up getting it, didn't want it, were really upset about it later, but nonetheless did it.

• 1:32:55Joe Rogan?

  Had they read your book?

• 1:32:55Speaker 01

  Yes. I see, I didn't lose any friends during COVID because I had already lost them back in like 2009. Like my family and friends were solid. My tribe is here. But yeah, so but I still love this person and and and she's like really upset about it. But it's like it just shows you that the psychological campaign like to to to get into that person's brain was was really into like, but I don't know about you, but there was, I never had a doubt. I never, I was like, well, you're going to shut me down, shut me down, you know, stop me from traveling, go ahead, stop me from traveling.

• 1:33:27Joe Rogan?

  I hadn't read your book yet. And I was all gung ho to get the vaccine. And the UFC had allocated 150 something vaccines for all their employees. We were doing shows during the pandemic. So I showed up in Vegas, asked for the shot. They said I couldn't do it. I had to do it on Monday at the clinic. Couldn't do it at the UFC. I was like, okay, fine. And they said, can you come back in two weeks and do it when during the next UFC fight? I said, fine, I'll do it then. During that time, it got pulled from the market for blood clots.

• 1:33:59Speaker 01

  Which one? Which jab was that?

• 1:34:00Joe Rogan?

  Johnson Johnson.

• 1:34:00Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:34:01Joe Rogan?

  And then two people I knew who got it had strokes.

• 1:34:04Speaker 01

  Okay. In that two weeks?

• 1:34:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:34:06Speaker 01

  Well, you've got a few angels, don't you?

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And I was like, hold on. And then my whole family got it. There was like a bunch of things that happened. My whole family got it and everybody was fine. And I didn't get it. And I was trying to get it. Like I had sex with my wife. I hugged my kids.

• 1:34:19Speaker 01

  You mean, you didn't get COVID?

• 1:34:20Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't get it.

• 1:34:21Speaker 01

  But you didn't get the jab either?

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:34:23Joe Rogan?

  No, I didn't. But I didn't get it first time around. I was like, this is crazy. There was two days when I went to the, because I was trying to get it. And this, which sounds horrible, but I was like-

• 1:34:31Speaker 01

  You're not allowed to not get it, Joe.

• 1:34:32Joe Rogan?

  I just wanted to get over it. Like, my kids got over it so fast. Like, my one daughter was one day, she had kind of a headache, and she tested for COVID. She thought it was hilarious. She started laughing. You know, she's like, oh, my God, I have COVID. But we had already told them, it's not dangerous for kids. Don't worry about it at all. You know, because there was a lot of kids that were talking about getting vaccinated. I'm like, you are not getting it. For them, I was like, no way. Like, it's not, I'll do it if I have to work.

• 1:34:55Speaker 01

  But what made you say no way? Like, what did you think about it that you didn't even want your child to get it, just in case?

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  Totally unnecessary. So no need to risk it, totally unnecessary. They got COVID, they got over it like that.

• 1:35:06Speaker 01

  But what risk did you think they would have?

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  Before the vaccine. But this is before the vaccine. So after that, I was like, there's no way. Because there was pressure from their friends to get vaccinated. I was like, you're not getting vaccinated. You have seven times better immunity than someone who gets vaccinated, which is proof. And this is just antibodies, right? Which, and you enlightened me in your book to the fact that there's cellular immunity that's different than just antibodies. Antibodies is one type of immunity to things, right?

• 1:35:34Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  So.

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  It's that TH2 slant that we were talking about.

• 1:35:38Joe Rogan?

  For me, with my kids, it's like, they're vaccinated. But we did it on a delayed schedule because that's what my doctor recommended. And we had a really good pediatrician. And it worked out great. They're fine. But I was a little worried. I was, I thought it was quack-like to be worried, like this is science, like back then.

• 1:35:54Speaker 01

  Worried about what?

• 1:35:55Joe Rogan?

  About what vaccines could do to the kids.

• 1:35:56Speaker 01

  The regular ones.

• 1:35:57Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely. And the schedule, the way they wanted to just bang them up, like real quick. And with weird ones, like the hepatitis B one. That one was like, when I hear that, I'm like, what are you talking about? You're going to give a kid for a sexually transmitted disease, a vaccine when they're a baby?

• 1:36:13Speaker 01

  A one-day-old baby.

• 1:36:14Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. And also, is their immune system even working right? I mean, will it even accept this and turn it into an antibody? Like, have you proved that? Like, you're just jabbing kids?

• 1:36:27Speaker 01

  They had proven that a child, the infant will make antibody, and that's all they ever have to prove. What they don't ever want to prove is that when, when you give, like, say your child had gotten a COVID vaccine, there's something called original antigenic sin. They changed the term to linked up with top suppression. It happens with flu shots. It happens with lots of different vaccines. Is that if you program your body to attack, you know, the strain of vaccine that you're, a virus, rather, that you are injecting against, and then a different strain comes along, it actually has negative efficacy. You're one that's more likely to succumb to terrible problems from the infection than because of your vaccine, rather than actually protecting you. And that's been a well-known, look, Anthony Fauci writes about it.

• 1:37:08Speaker 01

  Morin's and Fauci wrote a paper basically admitting everything, I think it was in 2023 or 2024, about these shots. And he said the COVID shots are exactly the same as the flu shots. Despite that, despite Fauci and Morin's talking about how these shots would never have been licensed if they were held to the same standards of DPT, et cetera, et cetera, that they don't provide lung immunity, they only provide blood immunity, negative efficacy, their conclusion at the end of it is that we must make better vaccines, more effective vaccines, to add to the already existing vaccine program. It's not that we shouldn't do this. It's not that we should pull this off the market. That's always the logic. Again, they never will admit to any problem with vaccines to take it off the market. It's

• 1:37:50Speaker 01

  always adding to it, not removing a vaccine. Okay, you think it was bad? Let's start six months now. Six-month-old babies with parents that are just like you back in the day going, okay, if you really think it's necessary, because, oh, granny doesn't want to catch COVID, we're gonna do it.

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• 1:40:10Joe Rogan?

  It's like during the censorship was so rampant that prominent scientists and physicians were removed from the social conversation because they disagreed.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  That's always been the case, though. That's always been...

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  It's just, but what is happening on social media and it's so transparent. These people are getting removed from Twitter. You're like, this is wild. This is so crazy. Then you find out that the government's involved, the government contacted them and asked them to take things down. You're like, what are you, what are you saying? Like, what? This is nuts.

• 1:40:46Speaker 01

  Medical papers were retracted. I mean, there's this one guy named Pradhhan, P-R-A-D-H-A-N, who, he showed that there is a GP 120 protein on the spike. And he said it was an uncanny similarity to the GP 120 in HIV and that there was no way that that would have come out of nowhere and showed up in the 2019 COVID epidemic. And he showed genetically how that just couldn't possibly happen. A flurry of emails went through the CDC and to NIAID and to Fauci. And within six days of that paper being in pre-print, it was removed. Six days. And what we've got, we've got access from the Freedom of Information Act to some of those emails.

• 1:41:28Speaker 01

  They're heavily redacted, but that was the, that was the series of events that happened with that because any doubts whether or not well-founded.

• 1:41:36Joe Rogan?

  All the things you said about the COVID vaccine, I'm sure are correct and true, but isn't it also different than the vaccine that they used in the test?

• 1:41:46Speaker 01

  Yes. The vaccine that was produced for the general public, I believe at least when it comes to Pfizer, they used magnetic beads for purification, which was totally different to what they did for the one they gave to us. And they produced it using...

• 1:42:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I can't remember exactly how they produced it, but they didn't use plasmids and they didn't use, you know, all the, all the different components that were given to us. I have a slide on that somewhere that I could show you about. There were two aspects of the test vaccine that were very different to the, it was both the production, how they produced it, and how they quote purified it.

• 1:42:24Joe Rogan?

  And what's the significance of the differences? Like, did they do it to save money?

• 1:42:28Speaker 01

  Oh, and well, there was no, they just didn't have the plasmid. They wouldn't have had the lipopolysaccharide with the DNA from the, from the E. coli that was in there that they told would never get past our deltoid muscle and would be disintegrated. Well, lipopolysaccharide actually is a transit protein that can bring everything right through, through your cells, into your, our cells are made of, it's like a lipid on the outside. So, that was the whole purpose, was to shuttle this into your cells. Not only that, but the, the vaccine produced, that, the plasmid part of the vaccine that's injected into you, the messenger RNA, has a substitution for something called uridine. They call it pseudo uridine. And pseudo uridine was put in there because they didn't want the immune system to destroy the vaccine too quickly. They wanted it to really be able to take hold of your body so you could have

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  a strong response. Well, that's one of the reasons why vaccinated people had such, you know, horrible time with actual coronavirus when it did come. And one of the reasons why you didn't, maybe you were exposed and you don't, I don't know if you've had an antibody level tested. But again, that's another long history thing, is people who don't get sick while everyone else is, have been, have been accused of witchcraft and sorcerers in the past, and sometimes hunted down and killed.

• 1:43:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:40Speaker 01

  You know, in the times of smallpox, the groups of people that were into cleanliness, that was a real problem for them.

• 1:43:47Joe Rogan?

  I did do nasal swabs to see if I had any antibodies. I did do that, and I didn't.

• 1:43:53Speaker 01

  Well, that won't tell you antibodies. That just, that's a PCR, that would be your PCR test or your rapid, which one did you do? The one that goes-

• 1:44:00Joe Rogan?

  Rapid, the rapid test.

• 1:44:01Speaker 01

  The rapid antigen test. But that's only going to tell you if you've got active- In your nose, what you want to know is if your immune system, again, there's a good use for antibodies sometimes.

• 1:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:44:09Speaker 01

  It's not to see, it's not, not the end all be all in terms of your immunity, but it will show that you have had an experience inside of your body with COVID.

• 1:44:17Joe Rogan?

  What was bizarre to me was that there was this, there was this narrative that you were going to get it, no matter what. And that's why-

• 1:44:25Speaker 01

  And this will stop it from you getting it.

• 1:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, was this is before the vaccine was even around. There was this, there's this talk that there's no way to not get it. Like, if it's around you, it's so contagious, you're gonna get it. And that's why I was shocked that I didn't get it when my whole family got it. Like I said, I didn't isolate at all. I did it on purpose.

• 1:44:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:44Joe Rogan?

  And I had two days in the gym where I was sluggish. And so I was like, I feel kind of tired today, but a weird tired, so I'm just gonna go through the motions. I just like really light workout, and the next day I felt the same thing, like, yeah, another light workout, let's just take it easy. No need to push it. Just gotta break a little sweat, never stressed myself. And then the next day, I felt great. I felt a hundred percent. Like, I started working out, I was like, oh, I feel good. And then I was fine. And it's like, okay, I guess I didn't get it. And then everyone in my family recovered. And then I went from there to, um, a couple months later, I was doing this gig in Florida. And I was up with my friend John Showman, who's a pool, he makes pool cues, shout out to John, good friend of mine.

• 1:45:29Joe Rogan?

  And we were playing pool till like five o'clock in the morning. And I had like five margaritas, and we were having a good old time and laughing a lot. And then that night, I was like, oh, I don't feel so good. But it was alcohol, and no sleep, and playing pool, and, you know, and big shows, and giant arenas, and flying on jets, and being tired all the time. You know, that's what it was. And then I got sick. But even then, it was like a couple days.

• 1:45:55Speaker 01

  How was that, how close was that to the time you said you felt a little tired in the gym that day?

• 1:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Few months.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  Okay, few months.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a few months, because by that time, the vaccine had been out. And this was, I guess, the Delta, which was, everybody was like, this was the bad one. The Delta's the bad one.

• 1:46:11Speaker 01

  You're supposed to be fearful, you know.

• 1:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a shocking time for me, because before that, I never would have guessed in a million years that I would be even questioning other vaccines. I would have never guessed that. I would have told you that vaccines are one of the most important inventions in human history, and it saved us from polio, it saved us from smallpox. I would have been that guy, ranting off all those statistics. I would have told you that. But then I read your book. I read.

• 1:46:40Speaker 01

  Sorry.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Sorry, I read Robert F. Kennedy's book. I read your book, and I started reading Turtles All the Way Down, which also, which is really interesting, because they wrote another book called Turtles All the Way Down, and someone else published it, that has almost the identical cover, and that book is a pro-vaccine book. Like, they literally hijack, they're like, what do we do? Oh, this is what we do. We fucking confuse the shit out of people, make one with the exact same cover. Exact same cover, exact same name.

• 1:47:09Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:47:09Joe Rogan?

  And they made it a pro-vaccine book. It's kind of wild. I mean, it's really kind of ingenious, like, what a great way to flood the market with bullshit. And the RFK Jr. book was bananas. I mean, I, people had told me to read it, and my initial thought.

• 1:47:24Speaker 01

  The Fauci book?

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Yes. My initial thought was, that's that guy that's like that anti-vaccine kook. That's what I thought. And I've apologized to him for that. When I talked to him on the podcast, I said to him, I said, I succumbed, like everybody else did, to the casual narrative. What's the casual narrative? Oh, that RFK guy's a kook, talks weird, got a weird voice.

• 1:47:46Speaker 01

  Ruining the world's immunity. Well, I had the same thing, like, you know, when I was first waking up, I had a friend who had unvaccinated kids that were part of a Steiner school, and they were like mutant freaks to me, because they'd never been on an antibiotic, they were like bright and happy and interactive and talented. And at one point, one of them was playing with a hammer and nail, and I said to her mother, I was like, you got to be careful, because she doesn't have a tetanus vaccine. And someone in the room said, well Suzanne, what do you know about tetanus? And like in my head, I'm a full-fledged doctor at this point, I thought, I don't know anything about tetanus. And outside, I said, I know you don't want to get it, and I know it'll cause lockjaw. And then I started reading about tetanus, and I had to go back and, you know, kind of apologize. And then I did a big video, I have a big video out on tetanus and the actual

• 1:48:31Speaker 01

  truth about the tetanus vaccines and actual tetanus, which, you know, that's even harder for most people. Like, most people who don't want to vaccinate their kids, they'll vaccinate for tetanus if they can get a single shot, and second only to polio. Everybody's got their two vaccines, that they're their two diseases they're afraid of for their kid, that makes them feel like they're at least doing something.

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, the polio one always gets thrown in my face.

• 1:48:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:51Joe Rogan?

  They say it all, all the time.

• 1:48:52Speaker 01

  What about polio?

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and I just go, I don't have the time to do this.

• 1:48:55Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Read the book. I just, to explain to someone the whole DDT connection, and the fact that livestock was getting polio, like, this is the thing, like, polio, dogs don't get polio. They don't get human-derived polio. It doesn't cross species. But they were getting paralytic polio symptoms, because they were getting poisoned by DDT. Right? That was a big part of the whole thing that was very confusing.

• 1:49:22Speaker 01

  Well, they started killing dogs, you know, in, in New York, in that incidence I told you about where the vaccine, the gain-of-function strain escaped, people were throwing their cats out the window. Some 20,000 cats in New York City were killed during that time. Because there was a belief that cats spread the disease.

• 1:49:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. That's so crazy. And it was all a mutant, man-made virus. The man-made virus thing is-

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  It was a wound-up virus.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  Wound-up, wound-up.

• 1:49:51Speaker 01

  Wound-up, it was basically a natural virus that got kind of wound up by humans.

• 1:49:55Joe Rogan?

  So, man-made to the final form.

• 1:49:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  That, that's just crazy, that that's a thing that we do. Because if this gain-of-function research was so important, wouldn't you have a cure, like, ready?

• 1:50:06Speaker 01

  They did.

• 1:50:07Joe Rogan?

  Like, have you been studying this for so long, but didn't they, but it didn't, didn't really cure it, right?

• 1:50:11Speaker 01

  Oh, cure.

• 1:50:12Joe Rogan?

  You know, I mean, wouldn't you have something that, like, stops it dead in its tracks?

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  You're not allowed to cure it. Look, I was living in a country where the government said there's no cure for COVID, there is no treatment for it, and there is no prevention for it, except a vaccine. And low and behold, we found out that there was a contract between the government and the pharmaceutical industry to have the emergency use of the vaccine trial on, on the population.

• 1:50:36Speaker 01

  Only under the condition that there is no other treatment available. And that's why the treatments were shut down.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:50:43Speaker 01

  Because emergency use, there has to be no other treatment available. If you have ivermectin, or if you have zinc and all the other things that we used with success. You know, there were so many people that I treated that should have been dead. I gave COVID to a 95 year old woman who had chronic lung disease called bronchiectasis. She should have been the low hanging fruit. I was starting to feel a little bit unhappy one day, really just sluggish like you mentioned. And when I was done seeing her, she goes, I just want to give you a hug. And she came over and I was going, oh, no. And after about three days, I was like, I've definitely got it. I tested and I rang her daughter. And I said, I've got to tell you, I was exposed, Margie was exposed to blah, blah, blah. And she's like, yeah, mom's not feeling so good right now. And then two weeks later, I thought, I've got to call back again.

• 1:51:28Speaker 01

  I've got to make sure this lady's okay. She's, oh, no, mom's out at the hairdresser getting her hair done. Two weeks later, I still wasn't recovered two weeks later.

• 1:51:35Joe Rogan?

  Did she smoke?

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  She was out getting her hair done. She probably used to. I don't know if she can't remember that detail. But there was my senior partner had leukemia. He should have been absolute, absolutely dead. Well, not on my watch, he wasn't going to be dead. So he'd survived the entire thing and died like two years later of something else. So, yeah.

• 1:51:52Joe Rogan?

  The most shocking aspect of getting attacked and like all the CNN stuff to me was that no one had any interest in why I recovered so quickly. Because if this was supposed to be this death sentence and there's no treatment. And then I'm a guy in my 50s and I got over it quick. And then no one cared at all about that. All they wanted to do is mock this idea that I was taking veterinary medicine.

• 1:52:20Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  Which I wasn't. But it was just the fact that they use that term, horse dewormer, on every TV show. On it like, wow, this is, it's wild to wash the machine. It's uniquely wild when it's coming after you. And you're like, but this is like such a dumb checkers play. I'm like, this is so stupid. I'm still doing my podcast, you fucking idiots. And like, everyone's going to know that you put a green filter over my face. I'm going to show everybody that. You think you're just going to get away with that? No, you're going to like lose all of your credibility, you idiots. It was just so fascinating to watch like this distorted understanding of like what America is willing to believe.

• 1:53:00Joe Rogan?

  Or the world is willing to believe. Like you're only preaching to the converted. The super hardcore, closed minded, converted people. Everyone else knows you guys are a joke now. And that's the good part of getting through COVID. The good part of this enormous gaslighting experience that we all just went through. Where people are finally, after four years apologizing to friends, you know, for calling them a plague rat. You know, like, like literally, they, they got down to that where friends couldn't be friends with people anymore. Because they weren't vaccinated. And people are kind of like realizing like, oh my God. Not only did I get COVID more than anybody else, because I got three shots. Like I've, I've had a friend tell me this.

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  He goes, I got COVID more than everyone I know, and I had all three shots. He's like, I got COVID eight fucking times. And we're like, how many times did you get it? And everybody that got it naturally was like, I got it once, maybe I got it, I got it twice. But the second time I got it was literally a sniffy nose. Just literally a sniff, and I was joking, because we used to test everyone, including the, um, the guests. Everyone that came here, we tested for COVID. And, uh, I was joking, I'm like, maybe this is it, maybe I got it again. And she's like, you actually got it. I was like, no way. This is COVID? And it never got worse. It stopped right there. It was, that was it, one day. One day of a sniffly nose. And then a couple of days later, I said, all right, let's try and get tested again, see if we can still do another podcast. And that was good.

• 1:54:30Joe Rogan?

  But I had to cancel a podcast.

• 1:54:31Speaker 01

  You're not allowed to have a healthy immune system.

• 1:54:33Joe Rogan?

  But it's, that, but the, the fact that, that, that's the thing. It's like, there's real science behind all the things you talk about in your book. In terms of like the, the, um, nutritional aspects of healthy foods being an important factor in your immune system. Healthy, we were talking about juices and vegetable juices and all the different times that it's helped people overcome certain diseases and. Vitamin A and cod liver oil, which also has vitamin A, which was always prescribed to people that were sick. Like, all these things are, this is real science. Like, there's real science in nutritional supplementation and the effects that it has on the immune system. And there's a real science in nutritional deficiencies and what a negative impact it has. This is all real.

• 1:55:18Joe Rogan?

  And if they truly cared about you, they would be telling you about that as a primary way of defending your body against disease and against all sorts of things that could go wrong. All sorts of things. Like, get fit, eat healthy, and you're above everything. Take supplements, you're above everything. Like, you're in the top 1% of people that are gonna do great in life when it comes to getting sick. Just that. And, cause most people don't do that. So you have, like, what percentage of people, like, really eat healthy and really try to exercise on a regular basis? Is it even 10? Is it even 10% of us?

• 1:55:54Speaker 01

  It depends, I get, maybe what state you live in?

• 1:55:56Joe Rogan?

  Let's just, let's just have a guess nationwide and see if there's a chart, see if there's a statistic. Let's guess what percentage of people eat healthy, take vitamins, and exercise regularly? I say 10%. What do you think?

• 1:56:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, it could be, cause you still have your teenagers and your young, you need college students that are in sports and things like that.

• 1:56:20Joe Rogan?

  A lot of older people are more-

• 1:56:21Speaker 01

  They would qualify.

• 1:56:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but a lot of people, like, you know, even though they have a hard job, they still realize, like, I gotta go to the gym before work and just, just get it in, cause if I don't, I won't have any energy, I'm better off this way. I know it sucks, but just do it. There's, like, people in it that have enough discipline to do that, so I would give it, I think it's 1 out of 10. That's what I think. What do we got, Jamie?

• 1:56:40Speaker 02

  A, this is an impossible-

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a little impossible. What about AI? Run that shit through ChatGPT.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  Well, I'm just, you're, how you gonna get the answer is my, my point, not like-

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's see what-

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  What percent of Americans work out?

• 1:56:53Speaker 02

  Honestly answer the, the question in a poll that they're, you know?

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, let's ask ChatGPT just for a goof-

• 1:56:58Speaker 02

  I just, I'm, my point, ChatGPT has to find the answer somewhere.

• 1:57:01Joe Rogan?

  Right. But let's see what she says.

• 1:57:03Speaker 02

  Well, okay, well, hold on.

• 1:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Let's just for funsies. Let's just say-

• 1:57:06Speaker 02

  I know, right out of the gate, the answer is that 86% of people take vitamins and supplements, which is 4 in 5 American adults.

• 1:57:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that real? That's good, if that's true. That's really good. I wouldn't think that's true, though.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  I don't buy that, that's what I'm trying to say.

• 1:57:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't buy that. That's, that's written by a supplement company.

• 1:57:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, and what supplements and how, you know, sometimes you can overdo, you do a hair mineral analysis on people and sometimes you find things that are, you know, pretty shocking in terms of, that came from supplements, you know, you, you can overdo it with even selenium.

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 1:57:36Speaker 01

  You can end up with big problems, so.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  There's also a problem with cross-contamination. One of the things that we found out when we were selling AlphaBrain is that in the beginning, when we would hire a lab to make the formula for us, like, so you, you have like a list of ingredients and then they, they put together this thing, which is a nootropic. We'd find stuff in there that we didn't have in there.

• 1:57:59Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 1:57:59Joe Rogan?

  And it was from their bins. So they didn't clean their bins. So it's like, why is vitamin B12 in this? Like, why is this in that? Why is that? And it's just because that's the same factor, manufacturing place.

• 1:58:10Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:58:11Joe Rogan?

  Where they make all kinds of stuff, creatine and all kinds of stuff.

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  It doesn't say how I got the answer, but it says less than 10%.

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  Okay, likely less than 10%. Okay, if you're talking about people consistently do all three, it drops significantly. Less than 10%, maybe even closer to 3% to 5%, depending on how strict your definition of healthy is. Yeah. That's, so, that's what, that was a good guess.

• 1:58:31Speaker 01

  We're talking about adults here, presumably, but, you know, one of the facts is that the foundation that your immune system is, is created and developed in is probably, if not as more important than that, and that is being born, vaginal birth versus a C-section. Not putting down people who've had C-section, I'm just saying the science, the science shows that there is a distinct difference in C-section babies' immune systems versus non-C-section. There's a distinct difference in breastfed babies versus non-breastfed. And then there's a distinct difference in babies whose mothers have a healthy diet and breastfeed versus mothers who don't have a healthy diet and breastfeed. So that foundation

• 1:59:13Speaker 01

  actually makes your gut grow normally, which is a large part of your immune system. It colonizes your gut because the bacteria from your mother's gut goes into your gut, goes in, from her gut, through her lymph system, into her breasts, and then into your gut. And so all that foundational stuff is something not to be ignored because it's going to make you deal with diseases better, and if you have to get vaccinated, it's going to make you deal with vaccines better, even as a child. Not that I'm in favor of that, but I'm just saying, if you want to set things up as, you know, solidly as possible to be able to take that insult, the problem is, we don't know 20, 30, 40 years later, what the associations are between. You know, bone diseases, skin diseases, cancers, autoimmune diseases. We have some clues, I have some clues, that nobody wants to look at.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  But we've got this long-term problem that nobody looks at. Long-term effects of lifestyle, of vaccination, of even SV40. There was one study that started tracking 1,000 SV40 people that they knew were infected with SV40, looking for diseases later in life. And they stopped it after 19 years, again, axed. When they still had over 700 people left in the study because they said too much time had gone by. Well, the fact of the matter is, that's when the study should have started. 17 to 20 years later is when they should have started looking at that point. Not one year, two years. But, you know, most vaccine trials and drug trials, they don't, they don't. Vaccine trials, it's like, two weeks is almost a miracle for someone to follow out that long. Forget about looking months or years later. Doesn't happen.

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  When you first decided to write this book, how much apprehension did you have?

• 2:00:47Speaker 01

  Zero.

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Zero. You were just fully convicted to get this idea out?

• 2:00:52Speaker 01

  Well, you know, it was a bit of a process, if you want to know it.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, sure.

• 2:00:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, what first happened is that I kept getting challenged while I was. I stayed on for two years as a nephrologist in my hospital. So I wasn't kicked out. I left because, like, my soul just couldn't hang out there anymore. And so during that time, even though I was kind of ostracized behind my back, everybody still respected me as a nephrologist. But I still had to go. And in that, in that time, I started doing public appearances. Like, I went on the Gary Null Show and started doing things like that. Just talking about smallpox and polio. Because those were my focus, because everyone's saying, "What about smallpox? What about polio?" And then when I started finding out, I just, I became obsessed with it. It was so interesting. So I was morbidly fascinated by the whole thing and about how everything I found was absolutely contrary to what the mainstream dogma is.

• 2:01:40Speaker 01

  And what I had was a mountain, you know, pile high to the ceiling. And they had soundbites. They had nothing to fight back with me on, nothing. So this guy named Roman Bistrjanik heard me on the radio show and he rung my office. And after his third call, I was like, I guess I better call this guy back. And he had this idea for a book and he had done all the charts and the graphics and started writing the narrative around that of what the historical documents showed. And then I came in as kind of the medical person that was obsessed with polio and smallpox and happened to know quite a bit about pertussis. So we started writing the book together and there's probably about, there's got to be, if you were to take a full-time job, 20 years, at least 20 years, but for me, it was condensed

• 2:02:25Speaker 01

  because I became obsessed after I quit my job. All I did, I basically had no money. I lived in a tent with a pop-up camper. That was my office and I was like crazy Ted Kaczynski obsessed with polio in my tent.

• 2:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:02:38Speaker 01

  And so, no, I didn't have apprehension. I was like, this information, it's been so, the US Polio Surveillance Unit charts were supposed to be available in libraries. Lo and behold, every library I went to to find them, I was told, they're not here. There's only one library, the AMA Library, and you have to have special high-security clearance to look at them. Well, I won't say how, but I got ahold of them. And what those documents show is that it wasn't just Qatar Laboratories that had a problem with live polio. It wasn't just Wyeth, all the vaccine, we didn't talk about this, but all the vaccine companies had a problem with live virus in their injectable vaccines during Salk's year. So 1954, 1955, up to 1959, they all were producing vaccine with live virus in it because Salk

• 2:03:23Speaker 01

  wouldn't listen to the scientists abroad who were saying his inactivation curve was where the sun doesn't shine. So that, beginning of that and just tracking all that down and tracking, asking the questions that you asked, well, where did polio go? Or, you know, what was really causing the paralysis? Why don't we see it today? Like, I had to answer all those questions and every question I answered, it was so satisfying that I just wanted to go on to the next question. And so, there was never any hesitation because I just, actually, I was so single-minded that I didn't think about, you know, the threats that could happen as a result of that. And it wasn't until after the book was out that the threats happened and I'm still here. And, look, I figure if anybody wants to do me in now, the timing is really bad because

• 2:04:07Speaker 01

  this is pretty much out there now.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  It's been out there for a while. The Jonas Salk thing was also wild. I thought Jonas Salk was this genius that created this incredible virus to save humanity.

• 2:04:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, so did I. So many of our childhood fables turn out not to be true. But that was a big one. And it's still hard for a lot of people to believe. But I just think, it's like anything, like if you're open to different information. And I always say, look, I am, I may, I can make mistakes. I'm not infallible. Someone has actually found a mistake in the book. I actually went in and corrected it. That's the difference between me and these other people, is that if I made a mistake, I want to know about it and I will go and make it right and I will publicly admit that I made a mistake. But I will say that 99.9% of what's in this book is true, factual, and provable. And because I've done the research, but it's a hard thing to do. What doctor's going to quit their job?

• 2:05:02Speaker 01

  I was lucky, I didn't have kids, I didn't have, you know, medical royalty ancestors who would have been disappointed in me. I came from nothing, I wasn't afraid to go back to nothing. And so that's why I was willing to live in a tent until this thing was done and published in 2013.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  How long did it take you?

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  I started working on it, Roman had been working on it for years. He had been going to libraries because his kids got hit hard by his ex-wife who jabbed them. He didn't know about it and they got really sick. And then he started looking at old graphs and going, oh, that doesn't make sense. So he got obsessed in his own way with the numbers, he's the numbers guy. And so he'd been working on it and then the two of us together worked on it probably from 2009 to 2013. And then it was published in 2013. We couldn't find a publisher. Even the alternative publishers didn't want anything to do with it, so we self-published. And then after it was successful, guess who wanted to publish our book? And I was like, nope, sorry. We're going to carry on the way we are. Oh, but you're going to get such more credibility. It's like, unlikely.

• 2:06:06Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 2:06:07Speaker 01

  We did okay.

• 2:06:07Joe Rogan?

  If you give us money, you'll get credibility.

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  If you give us most of your profits.

• 2:06:11Joe Rogan?

  Take a part of your successful business that you've worked on for five years or four years.

• 2:06:14Speaker 01

  Look, if you one dollar a book.

• 2:06:16Joe Rogan?

  That would be sweet. What a great deal. And then I'll have prestige behind my name.

• 2:06:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've been published by a real company. When was the last time you looked at a book and said, let me check who published this?

• 2:06:28Speaker 01

  Exactly, right.

• 2:06:29Joe Rogan?

  You know, maybe make sure. Somebody recommended this book.

• 2:06:31Speaker 01

  Self-published, it's all lies.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  I have never heard of this publisher. This is outrageous.

• 2:06:37Speaker 01

  What's that there, forbidden science?

• 2:06:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jacques Vallée.

• 2:06:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:06:40Joe Rogan?

  Jacques Vallée is probably the most interesting UFO researcher that I've ever talked to. He's the guy that was, you remember the French scientist, you remember Close Encounters of the Third Kind? Did you see that movie?

• 2:06:52Speaker 01

  Long time ago, but yeah.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  Long time ago. Do you remember there's a French scientist on the grounds courting anyone with the army and explaining to everybody what's going on?

• 2:06:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:06:59Joe Rogan?

  That French scientist is modeled after this guy. This guy's been following UFOs since like the 50s or the 60s. Did he say the 50s? Like, a long time. He's an older gentleman, but he's fascinating.

• 2:07:12Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  And he's very rational. Like, when he talks about it, it's like he is very objective in what's nonsense and what's true and what we can't explain. It's a fascinating subject.

• 2:07:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think similar threads would run through his experience, definitely.

• 2:07:29Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 2:07:29Speaker 01

  Forbidden science.

• 2:07:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's, for the longest time, it was a ridiculed subject. Not, it didn't have the same societal impact as being a vaccine skeptic or an anti-vaxxer.

• 2:07:44Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Like, with that pejorative, they've done an incredible job of scaring people into just falling in line. Because if you question it and someone said, oh, did you know he's an anti-vaxxer?

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  Right, that's enough, that's it.

• 2:07:55Joe Rogan?

  That's all you need to hear. And you're gonna get it after this podcast, and I've already gotten it.

• 2:07:59Speaker 01

  You're gonna get it big time.

• 2:08:01Joe Rogan?

  I've gotten it already.

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  They'll start picking apart my facts and they'll wanna come on and dismantle. This is what always happens. I come in first, I tell my story, and then they bring in the experts who are able to take, without me being in the room, of course, because I can't be able to defend myself, and then let the public believe that everything I said was just one big sack of lies.

• 2:08:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, they'll definitely be the usual suspects that'll be doing that. But has anyone ever tried to sit down with you and have a conversation publicly about this?

• 2:08:29Joe Rogan?

  And refute it?

• 2:08:31Speaker 01

  Hmm, not that I can recall.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  No one's offered?

• 2:08:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have to say, I'm not that interested in doing that because I just feel like, you know, debate is, it's an actual skill to be a debater. People, people study debate and people get really good at it. And I'm, I'm not a debater. Like, I put, if somebody wanted to debate me in writing, I would be happy to do that because then I could sit there and take my time, you know, go through the, the references that I needed rather than having to, you know.

• 2:08:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, that makes sense.

• 2:09:00Speaker 01

  You know, have the artillery ready, you know, at me without having a shield, pretty much.

• 2:09:05Joe Rogan?

  Right, and there's an anxiety aspect to that and like, you know, there's a lot of adrenaline and emotions and, yeah, it's a skill.

• 2:09:12Speaker 01

  But I would do it only if we had a topic that was, you know, basically agreed upon beforehand that we could both upskill on and use what we know as, as that debate point. But it usually just becomes character assassination.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  It does.

• 2:09:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:09:24Joe Rogan?

  It does, it's super unfortunate. And it's really transparent when it's about a serious subject. Like, why do you have to attack someone's, who they are, make, make it, ridicule them instead of just refuting the facts or, or laying out your case? It just doesn't make sense that anybody who's right would do that. That's not what you do when you're right. That's what you do when you're trying to ridicule people. And you're usually trying to ridicule people because you need an edge. You know, it's like a bully. They're like, if you see fighters, like, like a, like a UFC fighter in his prime, like Anderson Silva was one of the greatest of all time, if someone like got in his face and tried to intimidate him, it would be kind of hilarious because he was the best fighter in the world.

• 2:10:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:10:07Joe Rogan?

  So he wouldn't even have to do it back. He could just smile at you. And that's sort of the same here. When you're ridiculing someone, like, right off the bat, a bunch of, you know, ad hominem about that person, you're trying to diminish that person to set up your argument as being superior because you have a superior intellect. And you're doing that because you don't feel like you're on a level playing field.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:10:27Joe Rogan?

  And so you want to try to do something to push them off, make fun of them in some sort of way, instead of just like laying out your version of what reality is. Lay out your version if you're so strong. If you're so correct, it should be super easy to do.

• 2:10:41Speaker 01

  Well, just like in sports, it's the same here. It's like cheating is for losers. You know, if you're a winner, you're not, you don't have to cheat.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:46Speaker 01

  And that's the same with them. Like, if their product is so wonderful that everybody needs it so badly, then why is there such, they, what they say is that we're too stupid to understand how they're saving our lives and how they, this is one of the big arguments that we really ought to touch on, is that they say that our lifespan has improved as a result of medical interventions. When, what we show in here, what other scientists have shown, is that it's about 3.5% of the contribution from medicine goes into our extended lifespan. 3.5% based on antibiotics, vaccines, etc. The rest of it was all about the revolution, the health revolution, the clean water, the shelter, the electricity, the child labor

• 2:11:27Speaker 01

  laws, you know, ending. So, you know, the magic of medicine is not what people think, and it really traps, it really traps a lot of people. Like, I, I think there's a value to, to the medical field in terms of surgery and certain drugs, and if you have an organ failure, like, absolutely. But why not? Like, my Hippocratic oath said that I should consult, you know, any consultant that will help my patient and keep the well-being of my patient stable.

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• 2:13:45Speaker 01

  Well, to me, that includes, you know, using every therapy that is as the most benign therapies possible first. The ones that work along with the blueprint of your human body, that go along with the theory of health rather than pounding down disease. You're always going to get a better result that way, assuming you've got time and, you know, you haven't waited till the last minute.

• 2:14:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, you certainly will get a better result if you do get the disease that way. Like, the idea that you could just ignore everything but of medication is so silly. And it doesn't, the only reason why you would do that is if that's the only way you made your money. And that's really, especially if you're in the vaccine business and you're, you have an enormous ad budget and you're sponsoring all the television networks.

• 2:14:28Speaker 01

  Well, that's the big thing. And the other thing is people trust what they see on the television. You know, CNN, CNN was my go-to thing for the longest time.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  Mine, too?

• 2:14:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. And now I look at it and I think, oh, my goodness. You know what cracked it for me is when they, when they publicly villainized Andy Wakefield. And I actually knew the story behind Andy Wakefield at the time.

• 2:14:48Joe Rogan?

  What was that story?

• 2:14:49Speaker 01

  The story behind him is that, you know, he was, he was the doctor you'll hear. He was publicly shamed, his license was removed. He, he published an article about what, what he called toxic nodular enterocolitis in children with autism. He was a gastroenterologist, a very high level, very well-respected decorated gastroenterologist. And he published this paper, which remained in the journal for 12 years. And all it said at the end was, further research needs to be done in order to see if there is any real connection between the MMR vaccine, autism, and toxic nodular enterocolitis. These kids suffer with horrible bowel disease. It's not just brain disease. And so, he was about to publish another paper showing that, and this certain type of monkeys

• 2:15:31Speaker 01

  that were vaccinated against hepatitis B, lost a lot of their reflexes and had problems. And it was on the eve of the publication of that paper, that his original paper was revoked. And ever since then, he has been the poster child for vaccine nonsense, for anti-vax crazy people. And in fact, every time I've done anything, his name, funny that I brought his name up, I love him, he's a great guy, but his name would always come up, well, you're a friend of Andy Wakefield. Or, no, Andy Wakefield, because autism and vaccines has been debunked because Andy Wakefield lied. He didn't lie. All he said is, I did biopsies, I saw this, and this is possibly a connection. And since then, other scientists have come in, done the same thing. Biopsies, then they looked at whether the vaccine virus was in that biopsy, and it

• 2:16:16Speaker 01

  was. It wasn't a wild virus, it was the vaccine virus in that area, not the surrounding area. So there is a relationship between gut disease, MMR vaccine, retained, you know, virus that hasn't been processed properly, because it didn't come into your body properly, and disease, brain disease. So that's a fact. But CNN did a hit job on Andy Wakefield, and I remember going, huh. Well, what's going on here? Because I know, I know what happened with that whole situation. Now CNN is saying this, and that was kind of when, you know, the windscreen cracked for me, and I just had to start questioning anything. And then you've got, you know, the doctors that go on there. There are a couple doctors, I think you interviewed one of them, didn't you interview?

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Sanjay Gupta.

• 2:16:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. There was a guy before him. And some of the stuff he said was pretty unbelievable. That's what the public is going to hear. You know, your best chances of dealing with this is to just get the vaccine. You don't want to get shingles? Get that vaccine. Never mind the whole other truth around that, because, like you say, it's the advertisers, but it's bigger than that.

• 2:17:13Joe Rogan?

  Does the shingles vaccine work?

• 2:17:16Speaker 01

  What do you think about giving yourself a vaccine for something you already have? Like, you think about it. Like, chicken pox is a disease that we all got as kids. You got it as a kid, probably. You're kind of superhuman, though. You didn't even get COVID.

• 2:17:30Joe Rogan?

  I got it eventually.

• 2:17:31Speaker 01

  You did. Yeah, so I got it. You got it eventually. It broke you down. But I got chicken pox really bad, and then...

• 2:17:38Joe Rogan?

  I got chicken pox when I was a kid.

• 2:17:39Speaker 01

  There you go. So, back in the old days, we would all get chicken pox, and then we'd be exposed to other kids that had chicken pox.

• 2:17:45Joe Rogan?

  We'd go over kids' houses if they had chicken pox.

• 2:17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, people do. They still do that. I didn't have to. I got it somehow. I don't know how I got it. Probably from my brother. And so you have this dormant... This virus lays dormant in your body until your immune system breaks down. So, but part of it is not just your immune system break down. It's the fact that all these kids are now vaccinated, and the circulation of the disease... See, some vaccines work in terms of they stop the circulation of the disease, but add a detriment to us. So, it's been a detriment for measles, and it's been a detriment for chicken pox. So, chicken pox, we used to get continuously. You didn't have... Adults didn't get shingles. It was very rare for adults to get shingles before the chicken pox vaccine came out. Extremely rare. But since then, the rate of shingles in adults and children has skyrocketed

• 2:18:30Speaker 01

  because we're no longer getting our boosters, being exposed to the circulating microbes. So, now the solution to that is to give adults, like, four times the dose of the childhood chicken pox in an injectable vaccine against something that they already have. And so, the theory is that you're going to ramp up your antibodies, and then you're going to be able to do battle if your viruses come out again. The only problem with that is that the problem is the immune system. If you get AIDS or you're on chemotherapy, your chances of that happening are really high. And, yeah. Does the vaccine work or not? I don't know. But I just don't think it's... It's just, to me, just a completely strange concept to inject myself with something that I already have, along with all the other excipients and compounds that go in a vaccine that nobody wants to talk about either.

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  So, can you explain how a vaccine is manufactured? Like, how could they not know all the different stuff that's in it?

• 2:19:21Speaker 01

  Who?

• 2:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, let's talk about, like, how the SV-40 got in there. So...

• 2:19:30Joe Rogan?

  You need something alive. You need some sort of tissue from a living creature in order to grow these things.

• 2:19:37Speaker 01

  Well, in terms of the COVID vaccine, you just needed a pile of crap, actually, because it's made on E. coli cells, and that's where you find E. coli. So with a lot of the other vaccines, you do need living, like for tetanus, you need rotten meat. Okay, that's how the tetanus vaccine's made, with rotten meat.

• 2:19:53Joe Rogan?

  You were talking about tetanus earlier, and you kind of glossed over it, but you didn't finish up. You were saying that tetanus itself, you started like Googling and like reading about tetanus itself.

• 2:20:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, a big wake-up call with tetanus. So, you know, what we see, if anyone's worried about tetanus, what we're shown is a picture of a soldier from like the 1800s with his, he's naked and his back is arched. If you just Google tetanus right now, and you look for images, you'll get this image. And so that's what we're told will happen if we get tetanus. It's a sure thing. You're just gonna get tetanus, and you're gonna die. Well, the fact of the matter is that when I started doing my deep dive in World War I, look, it was fought in the trenches with horses. That's where you get tetanus from rheumatoid animals. Lives in their gut, then it goes in the soil, and it's just a spore. Doesn't do anything until it gets into an area that doesn't have oxygen. So you get a cut, you get a surgeon to close you up real nice without cleaning it out properly, and you're set up for tetanus,

• 2:20:49Speaker 01

  which will transform from a spore to a different kind of a microbe, and start releasing a toxin that can, it first starts as numb, numbness, usually in that limb. The extreme case is in that soldier who would have been malnourished, stressed out, probably vaccinated from smallpox before he hit the fields, and exposed to enormous amounts of tetanus, possibly gunshot wound or a slice somewhere, and then sewn up. So, yeah, his nervous system could have had a real big dose of toxin, and nobody did anything about it. That's the worst-case scenario. You don't want that to happen. But in today's, today, I've treated tetanus, let's just put it that way. I've treated several cases of tetanus. Some, one of the cases was neurologically diagnosed tetanus.

• 2:21:32Speaker 01

  So tetanus is treatable, you can get on it early. Rabbit, rabbit studies have shown that if you give vitamin C, if you have a good high vitamin C level before you put glass with tetanus spores on it inside the skin of a rabbit, that you can prevent the tetanus from happening. Even if you give the vitamin C at the time of the injury, you can prevent it from happening. If you give it after the event, the death rate goes down to, you know, very, very low, if not zero. So vitamin C is a main factor, but the biggest factor is cleaning a wound and keeping the wound open if you think it's a dirty wound. And not to close it straight up, which is why nails, you say stepping on a nail's the classic, because rust can kind of hold the old spores inside of it. You step on the nail, you get inoculated, and then you wait for it to heal over.

• 2:22:16Speaker 01

  You have to open that wound if that's going to happen. But, you know, but tetanus has been, there was, there was a, there's a whole series of reports on instances where the cotton that was made for menstrual pads for women postpartum was impregnated with tetanus, and they got horrible cases of tetanus just from using those menstrual pads. So the hospital systems have also been, you know, responsible. The biggest thing is that being vaccinated for tetanus is not necessarily security against not getting tetanus. Now, am I telling people not to go get vaccinated or not? No, I'm not. I'm just saying there's so much, like, every vaccine, there's so much more to the story that should be considered. You can have different strains of tetanus, and if you're living on a field that has room in animals, you will be, whether you like it or not, you're going to be eating whatever's

• 2:23:01Speaker 01

  down in that field, and you're going to be inoculated and have antibody and probably cell-mediated immunity against it. So you'll already have some immunity to that. So worst-case scenario is you have no immunity, you go get a dirty wound, and you don't get any real competent medical care for it. Yeah, you can end up getting, having a problem with tetanus, whether you're not going to have lockjaw and an arched back and die, unlikely today for that to happen. But most tetanus that happens is delayed onset. So the earlier your symptoms come on, the worse the tetanus is going to be. If it comes on later, generally, the better you're going to do. Treated with high doses of magnesium, high doses of vitamin C, local wound care, that's the best thing that you can do.

• 2:23:44Speaker 01

  Up to you if you want to go get jabbed for tetanus after you learn everything about it. Everything's on my Odyssey channel, by the way. That's where all that, because I got canceled out of YouTube for talking about vitamin C for of all things. So everything's now on Odyssey. All my videos are on Odyssey and I do do one that's just on tetanus. And again, medical reference after medical reference. I don't make this stuff up. I just report what I read.

• 2:24:07Joe Rogan?

  It's crazy that they just kick you off YouTube for reporting studies.

• 2:24:11Speaker 01

  Yep. Yet you can have like pornography and murder and all kinds of other stuff on there. It's pretty horrifying. Some of the things that flash across like I wish I can't unsee that now.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever posted your stuff on X?

• 2:24:22Speaker 01

  Yes, lots of stuff on X.

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so most of this stuff is available there?

• 2:24:26Speaker 01

  Well, I got canceled out of Twitter when it was Twitter and I could not make another account. It's like they knew where I was. They were able, even when I was using different phone numbers and different emails, I could not restore an account.

• 2:24:36Joe Rogan?

  They got your IP, yeah.

• 2:24:38Speaker 01

  Maybe that's what I used. I use VPN as well, couldn't do it.

• 2:24:42Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:24:42Speaker 01

  Then I would get an account set up and then they would say you went against standards and cancel it. So anyway.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  They must have put a cookie on your phone or something.

• 2:24:49Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  Did you try a new phone?

• 2:24:51Speaker 01

  Tried a computer too.

• 2:24:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:24:54Speaker 01

  But I did finally get a get an account. I was able to open an account and get a blue checkmark, but I've only got like, don't have that many followers. I mean, I went from having over 95,000 to having nothing and now rebuild. That's they love that. They love to let us build ourselves up and chop us down and make us rebuild and scatter.

• 2:25:09Joe Rogan?

  What is your account will help you out?

• 2:25:10Speaker 01

  It's D R, it's Dr. Suzanne H. seven. D R S U Z A N N E H seven. Yeah, and I only, look, I don't post my opinions about different things in the world or dog and cat pictures. Like I post stuff about vaccines. You know, I like, I stay in lane as best as I can.

• 2:25:30Joe Rogan?

  So for you, was the COVID pandemic, was that like a big wake up call for people to start reading your book?

• 2:25:40Speaker 01

  We've had pretty good sales, like Roman keeps, because he does all the accounting. And he says, we just have a good amount of steady sales and once in a while we'll see. Like every time you mentioned a book, we had a little blip on it during COVID. Every time Bill Gates comes out and says something stupid, we have a big surge in our sales. So they actually help us when they say with their, you know, we're going to, if we vaccinate enough people, we can help depopulate. It's like, okay. And for whatever reason, our book sales go up.

• 2:26:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, when he starts talking about vaccine deniers and vaccine skeptics, whenever they started doing that and the way, the language that they would use was, like when the president was saying, our patience is wearing thin. We've been patient with you, but our patience is wearing thin. And the White House prints this thing that if you're vaccinated, you did your job. But for those unvaccinated, you're looking, looking forward to a, what did they say? A winter of?

• 2:26:31Speaker 01

  Oh, Dark Winter.

• 2:26:32Joe Rogan?

  Of death and disease? Like, what?

• 2:26:36Speaker 01

  You know, Dark Winter was a tabletop exercise. Do you know about tabletop exercises?

• 2:26:40Joe Rogan?

  I do, but what is Dark Winter?

• 2:26:41Speaker 01

  So Dark Winter was one-

• 2:26:43Joe Rogan?

  You could explain tabletop exercises to people, too.

• 2:26:44Speaker 01

  That involves smallpox. Well, there are lots of them, but Johns Hopkins does, I have a whole PowerPoint on this, too, but Johns Hopkins conducts a lot of them. They involve fictional scenarios where, you know, there could be pandemics and terroristic depositions of toxins and chemicals and microbes that were manipulated in a lab. And then who in this, in our society is going to respond and how they're going to respond, like the CDC and DARPA and the news outlets are always utmost importance is the news outlets and the messaging that goes to the news outlets and these tabletop exercises. But Dark Winter was one that was a tabletop exercise after the World Trade Center is

• 2:27:26Speaker 01

  thing, when we were pointing our fingers at Iraq and weapons of mass destruction and a Russian scientist that, you know, had weaponized smallpox and brought it to Iraq, which they never found, by the way. But because of that, that's why I was asked to get vaccinated for smallpox in 2003, was that Dark Winter, whole that Dark Winter thing that was going on. Thank God, there were a few people in the CDC and consultants, old guys, the old guys with integrity that like knew the deal from the old days, who were saying, wait a minute. Smallpox is not easily transmitted, so that's a no-no. So even if there is a terroristic smallpox drop, it's not going to be easily transmitted. It's treatable, and the vaccine doesn't necessarily prevent it. And so that was kind of one of the things that stalled it all out.

• 2:28:09Speaker 01

  But then they did the study on the Marines because the part of the exercises are we must do tests for the new vaccine. They use the old vaccine, the dry vacs. And there were lots of problems with those military people. And then I was asked to sign a 63-page informed consent, basically, saying that I understood all the problems that could happen to me, that I didn't have little kids in my life, that I wasn't going to be able to spread it, I would isolate after I got the vaccine. So they were ultra-careful about this one because they knew they were dealing with something that could get a very bad reputation. The reason they ultimately canceled it is because any doubts whether or not well-funded must not be allowed to exist. Because if we were saying, "Oh, my gosh, we have this terrible smallpox vaccine, how did they do it back then?

• 2:28:54Speaker 01

  We have the same vaccine and people are getting really sick and dying and having cardiomyopathies. That's a problem." And so that's why the truth gets locked down over COVID. We know, look, you've seen the athletes dropping dead, you know about the cardiomyopathies and the pulmonary emboli and all that kind of thing. Nobody's talking about the stem cells that the newborn babies are born without. Nobody's talking about the fact that there are now death duelers to deliver dead babies. Like, that wasn't even a thing before. But I've got a friend that's a midwife who tells me that they are now creating a new field, which are midwives that only deliver dead babies. They do nothing else. They didn't need that before. COVID was an absolute nightmare in terms of obstetrics, gynecology, labor and delivery. A lot of midwives that got done because they didn't get vaccinated, they don't even want

• 2:29:38Speaker 01

  to go back now that they can go back because they don't want to have their good reputations of 100% of, you know, normal births being, dealing with what's being dealt with today in terms of the birth problems that are happening because of the actual vaccine itself. Look, if it causes problems and blood clots in our circulation, what do you think it's going to do to a placenta that is pretty much all blood vessel? That's all it is. It's like a big blood vessel sandwich is what it is.

• 2:30:06Joe Rogan?

  And there was no studies that showed that it was safe to give to pregnant women, but yet they were saying that.

• 2:30:10Speaker 01

  Well, there's, look, every influenza vaccine package insert says it's never been tested for carcinogenicity or mutagenicity in pregnant women, yet it's recommended every year for every pregnant woman and every time they get pregnant or not. It's recommended, same with the pertussis vaccine, give it to pregnant women, never mind that it changes the immune, the immune reactivity of the infant. Nobody talks about these things. This is what I say when, you know, it's like the truth is so much more complicated than the soundbite lie. The soundbite lie is what gets around the world three times.

• 2:30:42Joe Rogan?

  The science is settled.

• 2:30:43Speaker 01

  Science is settled. There's no debate needed because the likes of me are so crazy and, you know, whacked out and, you know, I'm trying to just destroy the, the good, the good order of the, the general public, things like that.

• 2:30:55Joe Rogan?

  Blood is on your hands.

• 2:30:56Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good one. I always love that one.

• 2:30:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a fun one. I like that one.

• 2:31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, put, see if you can pull up Rational Wiki and Humphries, you'll enjoy this.

• 2:31:06Joe Rogan?

  I want to see the image of the guy with tetanus. Did you find that?

• 2:31:09Speaker 02

  Ms. Logom.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  Can I just see one? I want to see what it looks like when you're locked up.

• 2:31:14Speaker 01

  It's an old painting.

• 2:31:15Speaker 02

  Well, the one I saw was like a, I don't know.

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  So can I ask you when you've treated people that have tetanus and didn't have the tetanus shot? Or did they get tetanus and they had the tetanus shot?

• 2:31:25Speaker 01

  Well, the one that had the worst tetanus had, had lockjaw and had the tetanus shot.

• 2:31:28Speaker 02

  Like, does that comes up?

• 2:31:29Speaker 01

  Uh, put in painting.

• 2:31:30Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:31:31Speaker 01

  Put in artwork or painting.

• 2:31:32Joe Rogan?

  Look at that dead guy. But go up to that dead guy, yeah, right there. That's not real?

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  I mean, it looks real, it looks fake as shit.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Does it?

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  It does.

• 2:31:40Joe Rogan?

  Not to me, bro.

• 2:31:41Speaker 01

  It could be, it could be, but look at, he's, he's clearly been in the hospital for a really long, he probably got hospital acquired tetanus.

• 2:31:47Speaker 02

  There's a bunch of kids, I don't want to put this on the screen.

• 2:31:50Speaker 01

  Okay, you know, I don't.

• 2:31:51Joe Rogan?

  Right. But that image right there, why, what makes you think that that's fake?

• 2:31:54Speaker 02

  The, it's very blurry.

• 2:31:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is weird. That part there looks, it definitely.

• 2:31:58Joe Rogan?

  It does look fake.

• 2:31:59Speaker 02

  Talking about tattoos, I guess.

• 2:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, it's probably a bunch of Nazi tattoos.

• 2:32:02Speaker 01

  But if you put in, um, painting, painting soldier tetanus, that, then it will come up.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  Is that it right there?

• 2:32:09Speaker 01

  There it is, first one, right there. Very famous. That's what's on the Wikipedia page as well.

• 2:32:13Joe Rogan?

  So this is if you do-

• 2:32:15Speaker 01

  You don't want that to happen, Joe.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  If you do get tetanus and there is no antibiotics-

• 2:32:18Speaker 01

  This is surely what will happen to you.

• 2:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Now, today, how would you treat someone who got tetanus?

• 2:32:24Speaker 01

  Oh, there are antibiotics, you know, that you- but mostly it's supportive care until, you know, your therapy starts to work. So some people end up- if it's not dealt to in time, you can end up ventilated. But again, that's- it's a theoretical problem, but if you get on it in time, that's not- certainly not been my experience. And so the ones that I've treated that haven't been vaccinated have had the easiest, mildest cases.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  But, so your point is-

• 2:32:47Speaker 01

  I don't know. I've not done a large randomized controlled study.

• 2:32:50Joe Rogan?

  But what's really important here is what you're saying is that even if you get the tetanus shot, if you step on a nail, like, you could still get tetanus.

• 2:32:57Speaker 01

  Look, the tetanus- in order to make tetanus immune globulin, which is another option, when, say you have a cut and your magic tetanus shot doesn't work right away, then you can get an immune globulin injection that came from somebody who has had tetanus. Usually, these are people who have actually had tetanus, not who have been vaccinated. And one of the donors that's in the literature that I use is somebody who has had natural tetanus despite having several vaccines. So, no, the tetanus vaccine is not a guarantee against-

• 2:33:27Speaker 02

  It's like severe tetanus.

• 2:33:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:31Joe Rogan?

  That's right before you die, they call it severe.

• 2:33:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:33:34Speaker 02

  But it could also be caused by meningitis, too.

• 2:33:36Speaker 01

  So this is the- this is the kind of the dead baby equivalent of, you know, that they use for tetanus. So this was a soldier, I believe, during a very long time ago, and he was, uh, they don't even show you his wound. He's probably stepped on something. It can happen. I'm not saying it can't. But again, are parents given well-rounded information? No, they're not. They're not told that there are actually things you can do to prevent tetanus. Shouldn't they at least be told how to clean out a wound?

• 2:33:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:34:00Speaker 01

  And not to let anybody sew it up. And secondary healing is a thing. Like, some people get open-heart surgery and because they get infections, I've seen this happen, they just leave everything open and let it fill in on its own. You end up with a big scar, but they're still alive because the infection was able to heal from the inside out, or rather, the wound was able to heal from the inside out. What you don't want to happen is a wound to heal from the outside because then you're locking in dead tissue, which is a perfect setup. Tetanus loves dead tissue, which is why they use dead rotten meat to grow the vaccine.

• 2:34:32Speaker 01

  Toxoid.

• 2:34:33Joe Rogan?

  What is it like to have your entire view of medical history do a 180? Like, what is it like to be a practicing doctor? And someone who never would have imagined this until you faced these forces trying to get you vaccinated?

• 2:34:50Speaker 01

  It's kind of exciting, actually, because during my medical residency, like, towards the end of it, I was like, I just thought one day, I'm not a healer. I don't, I don't know how to heal anything. I'm just prolonging people's lives, treating their diseases with drugs. Like, I'm a glorified pharmaceutical technician. I realized that one day. And I was like, I'm not a surgeon, I can't do surgery. So I write prescriptions. I do diagnoses and I write prescriptions. So I decided to go into a field where people really needed prescriptions. Like, if you don't have kidney function, you're on dialysis. Like, that's one of the glories of medicine. Like, you can prolong people's lives. I really enjoyed that. But then, after I left completely and started studying real physiology beyond what I learned in medicine, look, I'm learning a lot of the stuff you're learning, too, you know? The nootropics and all that stuff that you talk about.

• 2:35:35Speaker 01

  Well, I'm learning about that, that we're, I, I love it, actually. It's exciting. I've been liberated from, from a prison, essentially, from a stupid prison, where, where you're, where my brain was locked down and I was told what to do and how to do it. And then watching the results. It would be one thing if the results were good, okay? But the results aren't good. Like, we treat symptoms. We treat hypertension. Hypertension is a symptom. It's not a disease. Hypertension can come from lots of different things. That's just one case in point. So I really love being able to now have the freedom to look at the full human being and their physiology and look at them as an electromagnetic entity that has some chemicals and, and vitamins and help them direct their body back towards the blueprint that it was designed upon.

• 2:36:19Speaker 01

  And that's, to me, what real healing and real medicine is about. It's not about being anti-antibiotic, anti-this, anti-that. It's like, how about pro-life? How about we get your, you know, you're going out working every day. That's great, because you know why? You're getting your blood and your lymph flowing and you're sweating. You sweat, you know, the aluminum comes out in your sweat. Toxic metals come out in your sweat. You create salt levels in your blood that stimulates your skin immune system, which is a separate entity. Like, I didn't know any of this when I was a conventionally practicing doctor. To even say, like, I wanted to detoxify mercury out of my patients in order to lower their blood pressure, and I was told that that was not allowed. We're not, it's like, well, then, I don't want to do this anymore, because I know from a hair mineral analysis and from a chelation test that that person is burdened with aluminum and mercury.

• 2:37:04Speaker 01

  And I know that those, both of those things can raise blood pressure, so why wouldn't we want to remove that? The same reason we're not allowed to save vaccines, but you know what a multi-billion-dollar industry blood pressure treatment is and cholesterol treatment is?

• 2:37:16Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 2:37:17Speaker 01

  Forget about it. Yeah, I mean, I saw malignant hypertension after, happened after a tetanus shot in an adult patient of mine, and so that was another one, you know, thing that woke me up, and I was like, well, gosh, that's weird. And then I, you'd look up, you see there's other case reports, and then you're told, well, case reports don't mean anything. You need randomized controlled studies. Yeah, so it's, it's like, there's frustration at every corner, but I love doing what I do now, and, and I love, I love the fact, look, it was all, it's all great, like, I, I wouldn't change anything in my life, just put it that way. And I'm really glad I have the background of conventional medicine, but that's like, background of conventional medicine is like year one in really learning about healing and life.

• 2:37:58Speaker 01

  It's just, it's the very basics, and, and, and doctors still need to keep learning, but what most conventional doctors are mandated to keep learning, but they can, they're told where they can read to get their credits every year. You can only get your credits from reading this and answering the questions like a good little doggy every year, which I still have to do. But, but beyond that, when I have my own spare time, you know, like, I've learned ozone therapy, I've, I've learned how to use vitamin C, I've learned how to look at the body electromagnetically and use bioresonance, and there's just so much stuff you can do that really helps people and keeps them out of a whole bunch of trouble that they would have gotten into if they went and took allergy medicines and got their tonsils out, or kept on their blood pressure medications, and let the inflammation go wild in their body, and didn't know anything

• 2:38:42Speaker 01

  about how to dampen, like, most disease comes from inflammation. You know, cholesterol's trying to save you, it's not trying to kill you. The cholesterol's a response to inflammation. It's like your fever's trying to save your life. It's like, everything in medicine is about dampening down the, the symptoms that are trying to save your life. You know? So, it's like, I look at it, and I think, I can't believe I ever actually agreed upon that.

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, it took a lot of courage to step out of line and speak your mind, and I'm really glad you did, because I hope more will realize that this is what a doctor's supposed to do. And you're not supposed to be a spokesperson for an industry that's pretty sociopathic, you know, which makes some, you know, great strides look... There's a lot of amazing orthopedic surgeons and eye surgeons and neurosurgeons. There's a lot of amazing work being done by medicine. But then there's also the pharmaceutical drug company, which, when attached to that and to the money people, they want to make more money every time they can. Every quarter, they want to have a bigger quarter, they want a bigger house, they want

• 2:39:51Joe Rogan?

  a bigger jet, and they just keep going. And the way to get money is to get you to take their stuff. It's not to heal you. The way they really make money is to convince you that you're sick.

• 2:40:02Speaker 01

  And if that wasn't the case, we would have more medical freedom than we have, right?

• 2:40:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:40:07Speaker 01

  Because we would have choices, we would have options, we wouldn't be told what we have to do to protect the public.

• 2:40:11Joe Rogan?

  You shouldn't be shamed for getting better from some other way. That wouldn't be a thing.

• 2:40:16Speaker 01

  I know.

• 2:40:17Joe Rogan?

  That wouldn't be a thing.

• 2:40:18Speaker 01

  Pretty crazy, isn't it?

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's pretty weird. Well, thank you very much for doing what you do and for writing that book, because it was a real eye-opener for me. You know, I had no idea. I had no idea of the history of these things. I had no idea of the correlations between like when the vaccine was induced and what when the death rates had already dropped down. I didn't know all that stuff until I read your book.

• 2:40:39Speaker 01

  Who gave you the book?

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  I do not remember. I don't remember. Somebody recommended it.

• 2:40:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 2:40:44Joe Rogan?

  And...

• 2:40:45Speaker 01

  And you read it.

• 2:40:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:47Speaker 01

  Cheers to you.

• 2:40:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's a page-turner. You know, it's...I listened to it in my car, too, and I listened to it in the sauna. It's one of those books that... You kind of have to go over it a couple of times just to sort of digest it and go, "Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait, wait, hold on. Apple cider vinegar they were using to stop people from getting smallpox? Like, what the fuck is that? How was that real? Like, the doctors were saying that they were treating people with smallpox and they didn't worry about getting it because they were consuming apple cider vinegar multiple times a day. And it actually worked?

• 2:41:23Speaker 01

  That's what the reports showed. And even today, apple cider vinegar, you know, it's had a big resurgence in terms of, you know, keeping your gut pH nice and low so that you can digest your food better, which has downstream effects to everything, but it's also a fermented product. You know, it's got a lot of benefits. Not just that, but even on the skin, it's like really great to put on chickenpox and probably smallpox as well. But if I may, just direct people to dissolvingillusions.com, because if you just go to Amazon, you're not gonna... There's two different versions of the book. There's the original one that you read, and then there's the 10th anniversary version that has 200 extra pages. And we delineate early on what the new pages, what the new chapters are, so you don't have to go read the old stuff if you don't want to.

• 2:42:04Joe Rogan?

  What do the new 200 pages cover?

• 2:42:06Speaker 01

  It covers tuberculosis, it covers... Oh, this, one of the chapters I really love, it's toxic medicine of the past, all the different crazy treatments that I was telling you about. And then I added a whole bunch of the whooping cough, because more information came out after 2013, so we added that in. And then we published a second book, which is all full of doctor quotes from 200 years ago, because people say, "Why are you the only one?" It's like, well, I'm actually not the only one. It's like, back then, this was what was recorded from doctors and public health officials, which is probably 1% of what actually was said. And then we have hard-to-find vaccination tragedies, Royal Commission on Vaccination timeline, and then we have rare documents at the back that has like the Encyclopedia

• 2:42:48Speaker 01

  Britannica, where they hired a very highly decorated, well-known, highly respected doctor to write a chapter on smallpox. And at the end, when he did what I did, and basically looked at all the facts, he decimated the vaccine completely. So that you can't really find that very easily anymore. So this one is called the companion book to Dissolving Illusions. But you can see all the versions and we've been translated into eight languages. We're about to be translated into Chinese. But the best resource is dissolvingillusions.com and it will show you what your options for purchase and where you can purchase the different books. If you want, you know, an alternative press, we have an alternative press for those people that don't want to do Amazon. So, yeah, and all the different languages and the different versions are on there.

• 2:43:30Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 2:43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:43:32Joe Rogan?

  Thank you again. Thank you very much.

• 2:43:34Speaker 01

  Thank you for what you're doing.

• 2:43:35Joe Rogan?

  Really appreciate it. My pleasure. All right. Bye, everybody. [music]