Grant Cardone: Billion-Dollar Sales Secrets Every Entrepreneur Needs to Scale | Sales | E368

Early in his career, Grant Cardone thought too small, chased the wrong opportunities, and stayed stuck in a business that couldn’t scale. Realizing he needed bigger goals and stronger negotiation skills, he adopted the 10X mindset and mastered the art of selling. Today, he is the founder and CEO of multiple businesses, including Cardone Capital, managing over $5 billion in assets. In this episode, Grant shares his billion-dollar sales strategies that entrepreneurs can use to 10X their action, close more deals, and scale their business with confidence. In this episode, Hala and Grant will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (02:25) The 10X Mindset for Goal Setting and Scaling (07:13) The Concept of “Feeding the Beast” (09:15) His Early Business Mistakes and Lessons (13:20) Building Confidence Through Massive Action (18:43) The Power of Quick Decision-Making in Sales (22:14) Value Selling Strategies for Sales Success (31:58) How to Sell with Confidence and Close More Deals (35:29) Creator Entrepreneurship and Building Trust Online (44:35) Leaving a Legacy Through Hustle and Investing Grant Cardone is a serial entrepreneur, bestselling author, equity fund manager, real estate investor, and the CEO of Cardone Capital. He is the founder of the 10X Movement and leads seven privately held companies that generate $750 million annually. Known for his dynamic sales training and the 10X Growth Conference, Grant has inspired entrepreneurs worldwide to think bigger and achieve massive business growth. He has been recognized by Forbes as a top social media business influencer. Sponsored By: Airbnb - Find yourself a cohost at airbnb.com/host Indeed - Get a $75 sponsored job credit to boost your job's visibility at Indeed.com/PROFITING Shopify - Start your $1/month trial at Shopify.com/profiting. Mercury - Streamline your banking and finances in one place. Learn more at mercury.com/profiting Open Phone - Get 20% off your first 6 months at OpenPhone.com/profiting. DeleteMe - Remove your personal data online. Get 20% off DeleteMe consumer plans at to joindeleteme.com/profiting SKIMS - Shop SKIMS Fits Everybody collection at SKIMS.com Policy Genius - Secure your family’s future with Policygenius. Head to policygenius.com/profiting Masterclass - Get an additional 15% off any annual membership at https://masterclass.com/profiting BitDefender - Save 30% on your subscription at bitdefender.com/profiting Resources Mentioned: YAP E205 with Grant Cardone: youngandprofiting.co/WealthTransfer Grant’s Book, The 10X Rule: bit.ly/The_10XRule Grant’s Website: grantcardone.com Grant’s LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/grantcardone Grant’s Instagram: instagram.com/grantcardone Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap YouTube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/ Social + Podcast Services: yapmedia.com Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurship Podcast, Business, Business Podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal Development, Starting a Business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side Hustle, Startup, Mental Health, Career, Leadership, Health, Growth Mindset, Online Selling, Persuasion, Economics, E-commerce, Ecommerce, Prospecting, Inbound, Account Management, Sales Podcast

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I've never actually accomplished any target that I ever had. In fact, I've said many, many times, I have never 10x any of my goals.

• 0:09Hala Taha?

  Grant Cardone, billionaire CEO of Cardone Enterprises and Cardone Capital, and the sales and real estate legend behind the 10x movement.

• 0:18Speaker 00

  You have to learn how to do stuff you don't like. Whatever it is you don't want to do, do it. And do it as fast as you possibly can and get it over with. And you're going to build confidence.

• 0:27Hala Taha?

  Looking back at your 30s, mindset wise, what would you be telling yourself?

• 0:31Speaker 00

  I would have hung around different people. I would have lived in a different place. I would have moved to New York City. It would be so different. My whole world would be different.

• 0:39Hala Taha?

  How do you stay motivated if you've never achieved any of your 10x goals?

• 0:43Speaker 00

  I've achieved everything I wrote in that book, The 10x Rule, but before I achieved it, I had already moved the bar again.

• 0:49Hala Taha?

  Talk to us about building trust online and the ways that you do it.

• 0:54Speaker 00

  There's only one way and no shortcuts. It is true.

• 1:11Hala Taha?

  Young and profiteers, massive success doesn't come from playing it safe. It comes from thinking 10x bigger and taking 10x action. Today, I'm sitting down with the incredible Grant Cardone, billionaire CEO of Cardone Enterprises and Cardone Capital, and the sales and real estate legend behind the 10x movement. Grant is back on YAP for round two, and this time, we're diving into what really matters. The mindset shifts that separate winners from everyone else. His sales techniques that can close any deal, and how Grant leveraged his personal brand to build a billion dollar empire. This episode is your motivation to stop thinking small and start scaling big. And YouTube gang, I'd love to hear your comments below. What is one area of your life you're ready to 10x today?

• 1:56Hala Taha?

  And if you like what you hear, make sure you hit that subscribe button so you don't miss out on episodes like this. Grant, welcome back. I interviewed you a year and a half ago, and that conversation was awesome. It was a super highly downloaded episode, and we really went into real estate. We talked about your super inspiring come up story. We talked about the economy. And so today, I want to keep it super fresh. Just dive right in. So are you ready to go, Grant?

• 2:22Speaker 00

  I'm always ready. I stay ready.

• 2:23Hala Taha?

  I know you stay ready. So first, let's just warm our audience up and talk about 10x, because I really want to get into mindset for the start of this conversation. So 10x has really become part of the language of entrepreneurship. Everybody is like, let's 10x this, let's 10x that. We always talk about it, but you're really the one who started this whole movement. So in your own words, what is 10x? And how do you feel like people get it right and people get it wrong when they're just using it all the time?

• 2:53Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, that's a great question. Nobody's ever asked me that. But 10x is basically an arbitrary concept based on where to set a target or a goal. And the premise is that people underestimate what they can do. I think most people agree that they underestimate. But I've been with some extremely successful people many, many times, hundreds of times more financially successful, at least with their company and the size of their companies than I am. And I always ask them that question, did you underestimate where you could go? They're like, oh, yeah, 100%. I said, if you were starting over again, would the goals be bigger? And they're like, yeah, 10x bigger. I hear that literally, and they're like, oh, I just said 10x. But some of them are like 100x, 1,000x.

• 3:38Speaker 00

  So the premise was when you're setting targets, typically somebody setting goals or targets when they're not satisfied in life, why else would you set a target? And so you're like, okay, where do I want to go? If you're not satisfied with where you are, and then you're going to base your destination, that target on how much weight you can lift now, or how well you can ride now, or whatever your existing skill set is, you're going to base where you can go based on what you have available to you to imagine with. That's your assets, your deficits. The money you have, the friends, the connections, et cetera. So you're probably going to limit how far you could go.

• 4:17Speaker 00

  So the 10x concept is you basically take whatever your target is and just simply multiply it times 10. It's a ridiculous thing, right? Like, oh, I want $10 billion. Okay, well, if you want 10, which is probably ridiculous, why don't you just multiply it times 10? Make it 100 and then create your plan. Now, where people get it really wrong is where they're like, oh, 10x isn't real. And how can you 10x? Well, you can't. I never said you could. In fact, I've said many, many times in many interviews, I have never 10x'd any of my goals. I've never actually accomplished any target that I ever had. Because by the time I move from 1x to 2x to 4x to 6x, somewhere along there, I'm going to move the goal again anyway.

• 5:02Speaker 00

  So I never actually get to 10x. I've achieved everything I wrote in that book, The 10x Rule, but before I achieved it, I had already moved the bar again.

• 5:12Hala Taha?

  Let's talk about that for a second because I've interviewed Benjamin Hardy a bunch of times. And he talks about this concept of the gap and the gain. And one of the things he says about entrepreneurship is it's really tough because you're always moving the goalposts. And because of that, you're always in the gap. And you might feel bad and be discouraged because you're never where you want to be because the goalpost is always moving. But if you're looking back at your progress, you can be in a better mindset. So how do you stay motivated if you've never achieving your 10x goals?

• 5:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, because I agree with that about the gap. But the gap is where it's the struggle, it's the hustle, it's the achievement, it's the discovery. It's the curiosity about what lies at the next place as opposed to I'm satisfied with where I'm at. I know this guy that was with a Fortune 100 company, very successful. He ran T-Mobile, actually. And me and John used to have these just crazy arguments. He had retired and I said, John, you need to go back and get a job. You're in the gap, but with no place to go. You're in the middle valley and you're trying to make sense of the valley. And you're trying to somehow relive what you did and nobody can. The past is the past.

• 6:28Speaker 00

  And no matter how good the past is or how bad it is, it's the past. And it's never going to make you feel better. You could have had a yacht and had a plane and had a marriage and had the kids. But the discovery and the curiosity and the real happiness is in the next thing. It's not in the thing you've accomplished. How do you become happy and not always reaching for more, you know? I don't know. I don't have the answer to that. Happy is not a thing I'm looking for though. I'm looking for the potential, the seeking, the searching. That's what I'm interested in. So I'm not interested in the lazy boy or the hammock and talk about what I did and how great I was. But I am interested in discovering how great I can be, if I can be.

• 7:13Hala Taha?

  And part of that, I think, is really passion, obsession. And you talk about this concept of feeding the beast. You're saying you gotta feed the beast. So talk to us about that.

• 7:24Speaker 00

  Well, the beast is not always a good thing. Whatever you guys think the beast is, typically the beast is a dark character. I think it would probably be more male than female. It had the potential to be angry, to destroy things, to conquer, to be nasty, to be filthy, to be dirty. Like, everybody wants this success thing without all the sweat and the blood and the tears. And it's not coming. At least it didn't come to me like that. It's very difficult. My life has been extremely difficult, even today, regardless of what plane I'm flying on. Bro, it's like, you gotta unleash the beast. I was telling my daughter yesterday, I said, look, I need you on the phone. And she's 16 and she's like, that's the part of the job I hate. She wants to work with me. She's like, I don't like that part.

• 8:09Speaker 00

  I said, hey, bro, you have to learn how to do stuff you don't like. And when you're in a fight or an argument, you know, the guy I brought up just a few minutes ago, we ended up in this nasty battle. And rather than resisting it, I leaned into it. I said, embrace the beast, embrace the problem. You have to lean into the situation and see if people could just learn how to enjoy the taste of struggle. And then you'll end up equipping yourself with a superpower that most people, they'll never ever even consider trying to learn about. And the only way to learn this, you can't read about it. You can't download it from ChatGPT. The only way to learn that part of yourself is to really become aware of yourself and spend time with it.

• 8:53Hala Taha?

  That reminds me of a quote from Elon Musk. He says, entrepreneurship is like staring into the abyss and chewing glass. You don't want to chew glass and you also don't know what's going to happen next, but you gotta chew glass so that you could keep going. Sometimes entrepreneurship is not just the fun stuff. You've got to do the hard stuff.

• 9:11Speaker 00

  It's not all looking good in hair and makeup.

• 9:15Hala Taha?

  Yeah. So a lot of my listeners are in their early 30s. And looking back at your 30s, mindset wise, what would you be telling yourself in terms of what are you doing right? What are you doing wrong? And thinking about everybody tuning in right now.

• 9:33Speaker 00

  I made so many mistakes in my 30s. I was chasing women around all over the country. That was a mistake. I had nothing to offer them. And I really thought another person was going to somehow fill me up and make me satisfied. And number two, I was thinking so small the whole time. You know, if you could take me today and reverse me 37 years, a man, it would be so different. My whole world would be different. I bought a house when I was 28. I wouldn't have done that. My whole life would be different if I had a different mindset. I would have hung around different people. I would have lived in a different place. I would have moved to New York City. I would have got around big flows of money. I would not have done what I was doing. I would not have done what I was good at.

• 10:15Speaker 00

  I would have done what had the biggest, most giant payoff. That's if I was 30. If I was 20, I wouldn't have gone to college and I wouldn't have used any drugs. So I have many, many regrets. Frank Sinatra said he only had a few. I have many, many regrets.

• 10:29Hala Taha?

  Grant, I think you're worth like $600 million. How much better do you think you could have been?

• 10:34Speaker 00

  You cut me by a third, by the way.

• 10:36Hala Taha?

  Oh, really? How, are you a billionaire yet?

• 10:39Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, more than that. The internet never keeps up with a person's.

• 10:42Hala Taha?

  I know. It's a dangerous thing for me to even like throw out there.

• 10:46Speaker 00

  But anyway, nobody can actually know what somebody's network is without knowing what their assets are. So I'd be worth $18 billion today. I'd be worth 10 times what I'm worth today. I'd be working at least eighteen, maybe fifty billion because I would have done so many things different. You know, in my thirties, all I was doing was working for income. I was working for money. I was trying to get a paycheck. I was in the wrong job. I owned my own business. It was the wrong business. It was making money. It was making a couple million bucks a year, but it was the wrong business. It was not an exitable business. It was not scalable, but I was making two million dollars a year. I'm like, oh, my God, I didn't know anybody that made that much money. But it was the wrong business. I should have been in New York trading stocks. I'd probably run JP Morgan right now.

• 11:29Hala Taha?

  But don't you feel like it was those experiences that helped you become who you No, okay. So interesting.

• 11:35Speaker 00

  Bullshit. It's a bullshit story. I was a drug addict for ten years and everybody's like, oh, yeah, that made you who you are. No, it didn't. That was a departed from the path that I walked. Okay, these mistakes that people make does not make you who you are. You were a person before you made the mistakes. And it basically was an exit off of who I am, and it derailed me. And you shouldn't make sense of nonsense, because that was nonsense. And the bad choices I made when I was a kid, those were poor choices. When I was thirty and I chose to live in Houston, Texas, because I was comfortable, I should not have lived there. I should have moved to places where there was opportunity. I just didn't know. I mean, I'm not blaming it all on me. I just didn't have access to like, I mean, I can't even say that, though, because I could read the Wall Street Journal. Nobody from Lake Charles,

• 12:20Speaker 00

  Louisiana, was in the Wall Street Journal. I could have been studying those people then. What did they do? Where did they live? Where'd they go? What are their jobs? But I wasn't studying that. Fortunately, today with social media and guys like you doing what you do, if you want to make a big score, study other people that have made a big score. Go do what they do. Go where they are. Go get as close as you can to that action. Those are things I would do different today.

• 12:44Hala Taha?

  Such good advice. I feel like there was so much in there. So I actually interviewed your business partner, Brandon Dawson, a couple of weeks ago, and he's really awesome. So I love your partnership that you guys have together.

• 12:55Speaker 00

  Brandon's a very smart guy. He's much smarter than I am.

• 12:58Hala Taha?

  He's so smart. I was so impressed by him when he came on the show. It was the first time he came on.

• 13:03Speaker 00

  I always tell him that. I say, Brandon, you're much smarter than I am, but don't confuse intelligence with the outcome.

• 13:09Hala Taha?

  Yeah, you're both super, super smart and have different talents that really complement each other. So he talks a bit about confidence, like how confidence can multiply your success. When I think of confidence, you are one of the first people that pop into my mind. And entrepreneurs, they really need to be confident, right? Confidence is really what gets you to sale, in my opinion. Confidence helps you motivate a team. There's so many reasons why we've got to be confident. So what do you think makes you confident? And what can people learn about that?

• 13:40Speaker 00

  You know, I do things that I'm scared of, and that's how you build confidence. You can't become confident reading or listening to an audio book or going to a workshop. There is only one way. You gotta meet the devil. You gotta fight it out with him, and you gotta realize that you won the fight or that you lost the fight. It doesn't really matter whether you win or lose. I mean, it does, but it's better to win. But if you get in a fight, I remember I was a kid and I was being intimidated by these kids at school. I was probably 14, 15 years old. And I kept trying to dodge it, man. I kept trying to get away from it, just kept defeating any confidence I had. And one day I was going to school. I said, I'm gonna get in a fight again today. I was gonna get beat up, basically.

• 14:23Speaker 00

  And I changed my shirt because I didn't want to mess up my new shirt. We got one new shirt, school season, and I didn't want to mess it up. Changed it, went there, and I fought for my life that day. And I got my ass whooped, but my confidence built because I walked away from that fight saying, okay, he didn't kill me and he's not gonna F with me anymore. And nobody did, by the way, because I was gonna fight till the end. And so that's what I would tell people, man. Whatever it is you don't want to do, do it and do it as fast as you possibly can and get it over with. And you're gonna live through it and you're gonna build confidence. Then if you can do it a second time and a third time, you're gonna get better at it. And if you don't quit, you're gonna start winning. At the end of the day, winning is the confidence. It's not just the doing, you have to do and win.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  So otherwise you're stupid. Like, why are you going to keep getting in fights and you can't win? You gotta find something you can win at. And even if they're little tiny wins, get a tiny win, and then a bigger one, and then a bigger one, until you can 10x wins.

• 15:21Hala Taha?

  So something that I've noticed is that you seem to be aging backwards. You look incredible, and I know that you're really into health, and you've got 10x health.

• 15:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, right here, got it right next to me right now.

• 15:34Hala Taha?

  Yep. Talk to us about 10x health. I know it's like a new thing, or newer thing that you're doing, and just curious in terms of what are you doing for your health? That's a huge part of confidence, your physical appearance. Tell us about that.

• 15:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think that is too, by the way. How somebody looks and how they feel is very, very important to the confidence that you have. And if your body's hurting, you're gonna have a tension on your body and that you're breaking down. I mean, you're being reminded, whether it's a headache you have, or knees that hurt, or back, or whatever the problem is. By the way, I had more pain problems in my twenties and thirties than I do today at 67. You don't have to age and hurt, and you don't have to age and look old. You're gonna look older. But 10x Health is a company, we bought this company about five years ago. It was actually just out of COVID. And I think COVID woke up the whole world that the medical community maybe doesn't want us to know

• 16:32Speaker 00

  everything there is to know about what we can do to take care of ourselves. I've never trusted these people with medicines. I'm on none. I have zero medicines that I'm on today. Our kids have not been vaccinated. I guess I had some kind of vaccine when I was a kid. I wouldn't do that again. But I think that whole COVID thing and the mandating of the vaccines really woke people up. And then we bought a company called Streamline, I think was the name of it. It had about 60 customers. And we got into the business of providing people with alternative solutions, red light therapy beds, electronic mats, hydro waters. We have partnerships in 38 countries now with 10x Health System. Got 260,000 customers on our genetic test and supplements.

• 17:16Speaker 00

  I don't sell these products. I use these products. So it's exactly what I use to take care of myself, get my blood checked four times a year. And I do whatever I can to make sure that I have the energy and the focus and it's pain free possible as I can be so I can create and contribute to both my life, my kids, my wife, and we can have a great life together and I can also give to my customers.

• 17:42Hala Taha?

  How do you think about age in 2025? I feel like we're getting into this place in the world where chronological age is going to become less and less relevant. I go out and I see you can't tell the difference between 20 and 40 year olds anymore.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  I mean, I don't know what's going to happen. You need bones and you need muscle. You have to have them. If you don't take care of your bones and your muscles, you're going to have problems. Then you got to take care of your diet. Everybody knows that. Our food system's completely contaminated. You can go to France and watch people smoking cigarettes and drinking all day and they still look better than we do. And they're outliving us, by the way. So it's not the cigarettes and it's not the alcohol. It's the food. I mean, I don't know what changes. I know that I'm going to probably be working until I can't work. And when I can't work, I'm going to be doing deals because I like doing deals. My career has lasted 52 years. I've been doing business deals since I was 25 years old. And I'll be able to do them for as long as I can think clearly, make a good decision.

• 18:44Hala Taha?

  Okay, so let's talk about decisions. That was actually some of the questions that I was going to go over. Talk to us about how you make decisions. Are you somebody who's more like data driven? Are you following your gut? Are you trying to like pull your team? How do you make your decisions for your business?

• 19:00Speaker 00

  I intuitively know what I want to do. There's certain things that I'm going through. Probably the biggest decision I've ever made in my life here will happen in the next 90 days. I was just on the phone with the bankers today and six different banks and two super successful guys are all saying, go this way. And I'm inclined to say, that's not the way for me. Now, I got to be very careful because it's a bunch of seriously intelligent people. But there's things they don't know about me, my brand, my purpose, my gifts, and the things that I am super, super passionate about making go right. And the confidence I have in myself to make it go right despite what these institutions are telling me is the right way to do it.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  But I've done this in legal matters, litigation issues, starting a business. Me and Brainer are completely different decision maker types. When I find a piece of real estate that I love, I know I'm buying it. Now it's I gotta make sense of the numbers. So I gotta bang the seller until I can make sense of the numbers. I'm not gonna do anything stupid, but once I lock in, I want this. Now it's I figure out, okay, how do I make this work? I'm not a reckless person, but I can move extremely fast at making decisions. I mean, very, very fast, like almost instantly. Then it's okay, make it work now that you've made a decision. So it's almost two separate conversations. I see a lot of people make decisions. They take a long time to make the decision and then still don't make it work.

• 20:28Speaker 00

  Some of the best decisions I've made have been instant with no due diligence. But I must have had some data. That is the due diligence. I know something, I know something about something. One day I was in a car and I was thought about this person. And I'm like, I need to call this person right now. And I did. I trust myself that if I get a signal, I'm calling. I don't know why I'm calling them. I don't know what I'm talking about. I don't know why I'm gonna be there. I called him and boom, something happened, something magical happened. You know, you gotta trust yourself. I think you're really talking about trust here. And those people that need the most data probably have the least amount of trust in themselves. Let me just add one other thing to that, because I know you help a lot of salespeople.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  You guys, when you're buying something, it is very important to learn how to buy fast. Because if you're a seller, if you're trying to sell your goods and services, if you buy slow, you'll sell slow. You sell the way you buy. I was with an executive, we were looking at hiring this guy in our company and we went to dinner. He looked at the menu. I sat down, I said, what's the best thing here? He goes, oh, get the T-bone. I said, ah, what's second to the T-bone? Get the ribeye. He said, great, send me the ribeye, medium rare. Took 30 seconds to order. This guy's still reading. I said, bro, how much time you need? He's like, well, I just, I wanna see. I said, you knew we were coming to this restaurant. You knew it was a steak restaurant. You've been here before, by the way, you recommended it.

• 21:52Speaker 00

  You got here, you sat down, you've looked at the menu and you still don't know what you want. I've never been here and I've already ordered. So we didn't hire him as an executive, by the way, because he can't make a decision.

• 22:03Hala Taha?

  Yeah, you gotta move fast and it's okay if you make mistakes, but sometimes moving slow is a mistake in itself.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  Yeah. And if you ask everybody else what you should eat, you're never going to be sure about anything.

• 22:14Hala Taha?

  That's so good. So let's talk about sales for a bit because I feel like one of the things that you're extremely good at is closing, sales in general. And so you've been selling since you were 25. I want to warm up with a question personally. What's the hardest thing you ever had to sell?

• 22:32Speaker 00

  Probably my wife. Because she didn't want anything to do with me. I mean, I've had a lot of hard sales. The hardest thing I've ever had to sell, physical product. Yes, everything was hard to sell. I mean, there's no easy sales, right? Because if it's an easy sale, then everybody's going to buy it. And you don't have anything left to sell and then you have to go sell something else. So I don't know that there's an easy sale because again, by the time it's easy, it's gone. So then you gotta sell something else. So yeah, I mean, I've sold shoes, I've sold clothes, I've sold fish, I've sold accounting services. I've sold businesses, real estate, rent here, selling people on a TV show. I have not been successful selling a TV show.

• 23:17Hala Taha?

  I was talking to this guy, he's the host of BiggerPockets, it's a really big show. His name's Scott, so it's BiggerPockets Money. He was the CEO of BiggerPockets for a while. And he was asking me, what do I do for personal investment? And my answer was sales. I was like, I just grow my business. I just invest in myself. I have stocks and stuff, but I don't really pay that much attention to it. I'm just way more about how do I expand my business? How do I get more customers? And to me, I would just rather make money than save a dollar. What are your thoughts about that?

• 23:51Speaker 00

  Well, I think you're focused on income, right?

• 23:54Hala Taha?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Speaker 00

  You're investing in you. The best investment anybody can make is in themselves. Nobody can depreciate it. It can't be taxed. When you get two times better or 10 times better, the government can't steal you away. That is the best investment in the world, way better than a stock. He probably didn't understand it, but I understand what you're saying completely. There's no piece of real estate anywhere in the world or no crypto that's more valuable than you are. You are the most limited, unique, scariest individual on the planet. So there'll never be another one of you. So why not invest in you? So I like that. But saving money, saving money is impossible. People shouldn't even think about saving money. You can't save money.

• 24:37Speaker 00

  You leave it at the bank and they reinvest it, but they're not even saving it. So, yeah, I think there's three things people should invest in. One is themselves, and in the beginning, you should just keep dropping quarters or dollars into yourself until something happens to where more money's coming in. More money should come in from the investments you made in yourself. If not, you're going to the wrong thing or studying the wrong thing. And then the second thing you should invest in is whatever your brand is, your company. That's different than you, the individual, I think. Your products, your inventory, et cetera. And the third thing would be pick one thing and that would be that thing you diversify from yourself. And there would only be one other thing that you would invest in until you're wealthy. And then you might diversify, but not until you're wealthy.

• 25:22Hala Taha?

  Let's do a little game called Cardone Close. So I'm gonna say a line, like somebody gave you an objection, and then you say how you would respond to it.

• 25:34Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 25:35Hala Taha?

  It's too expensive right now.

• 25:37Speaker 00

  Well, of course it is. I mean, that's why you came here. I mean, everybody knows this is too expensive. Tell me the truth. Let's say it's a watch. It's this watch right here, okay? If you looked at the watch, the watch is $58,000. You knew this when you saw it in the magazine, that it was $58,000 and you still came to look at it. But let me show you what's really expensive. And then I'm gonna show them a watch that's probably 10 times that price at $580, and something in between at $125. And then I'm gonna congratulate them for having such great taste in watches and ask them Visa, MasterCard, or American Express.

• 26:11Hala Taha?

  And why compliment them like that?

• 26:13Speaker 00

  Well, because they knew it was expensive. You walk into a Chanel store. "Oh, my God, it's so expensive." "I know, I'm with you. You're lucky that we even have one available." I'm not gonna negate the fact that it's expensive. If it's expensive, it's expensive and you should say so. So, some people will only buy expensive things. By the way, I can show you something cheaper. I just didn't think that that's what you were interested in.

• 26:35Hala Taha?

  Love that. Okay, I need to talk to my spouse.

• 26:39Speaker 00

  Great. And I'm sure if you're like me, you talk to your spouse about everything, right? So he would then know that you're here right now. You would've talked to him this morning and said, "I'm going to see Grant today at the BMW store, and I'm gonna look at a 7 Series." If you guys talk about everything, you talked to him before you came here. This is not a surprise. Unless you don't talk to him about everything. Which one is it? "No, no, we've been talking about..." Okay, good. So when you go back tonight and talk to him about the car, what are you gonna tell him? You're gonna tell him the price? You're gonna tell him the payment? You're gonna tell him what it looks like? Probably gonna show him a picture? And what's he gonna say? Let's say he says, "You're not answering any questions, by the way. I don't need you to." "These are all rhetorical. I'm having the conversation as you and me, okay?"

• 27:24Speaker 00

  So let's just say he says, "You can't do it, Holla. No. It's the wrong color, the wrong price, the wrong payment, whatever. You can't do it." What are you gonna say to him?

• 27:34Hala Taha?

  "I can make my own decisions. I want this car."

• 27:37Speaker 00

  Good. See, what I'm doing is I'm flushing the objection out that he's gonna have, or I'm gonna find out that it's not even real. In fact, you're probably gonna say, "Look, I'm gonna buy the car anyway and maybe I get closer to closing the deal."

• 27:49Hala Taha?

  Okay. It sounds good, but I just need to think about it more.

• 27:53Speaker 00

  Good. Great. How much time would you think would be long enough for you to think about it?

• 27:58Hala Taha?

  Just, you know, a week or so.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  Good, good. In a week or so, let's just pretend, let's play a little game here. A week or so from now, are you gonna be thinking about the price? The payments, the product, how you're gonna pay for it? What are you gonna be thinking about?

• 28:13Hala Taha?

  I gotta evaluate everything.

• 28:15Speaker 00

  Good, good. So if you were to make that decision right now, what would you say about the price?

• 28:19Hala Taha?

  It's a little high.

• 28:20Speaker 00

  It is, it is. I agree with you. I agree with you. It's a little high, okay? But would that keep you from buying it?

• 28:26Hala Taha?

  I can afford it. It's just a lot.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Okay, good. I understand. What about the payments? Let's assume there's payments on this.

• 28:33Hala Taha?

  I can make the payments.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  The payments are good. So I'm gonna check off, it's a little high, but you could do it. And the payments, and we're a week and a half from now. So it's not even something you're doing right now, okay? The product itself, does it solve your problems?

• 28:45Hala Taha?

  Yeah.

• 28:46Speaker 00

  Okay, you're certain it solves every problem you're concerned about?

• 28:49Hala Taha?

  Well, that's what I need to think about.

• 28:51Speaker 00

  Okay. Well, what other problem would you like it to solve for you that you're not sure about?

• 28:56Hala Taha?

  I feel like I might outgrow it.

• 28:58Speaker 00

  Okay, so you need more than one of these. So really, this isn't about too high or the payments or the product. It's really about, you need what? If you had 10, would that be enough? We might have an opportunity right here to find out that we're underselling this person.

• 29:12Hala Taha?

  Hmm.

• 29:13Speaker 00

  By the way, I'll tell you a story about, I've never done this, by the way. I love this. We should do a show like this.

• 29:18Hala Taha?

  I would be down.

• 29:20Speaker 00

  This is awesome. I've done thousands of podcasts. I've never done this and I love it.

• 29:25Hala Taha?

  Oh, thank you.

• 29:26Speaker 00

  But I was helping fund raising a bit. And this lady came to me, she was a fantastic fundraiser. I mean, she's raised literally hundreds of millions of dollars. And she said, this guy will not give me any money. And I said, well, what are you asking for? She's like 25,000. I said, have you considered the possibility that you're not asking for enough? She's like, no, he's cheap. He's cheaper than dirt. He's so cheap. He's rich and he won't give me the money. I said, you mind if I have a few minutes with him? And I sat down with him and I got 250 grand from it. Because he felt like the 25,000 couldn't make a difference in these kids' lives.

• 30:00Hala Taha?

  It's so true. I have like a white glove, social media, podcast agency. And from the start, I had really high retainers because I have a really great team. We have awesome results. And I've noticed that people that make a lot of money, they want things. If it's too cheap, they'll be, that's not good enough for me.

• 30:17Speaker 00

  That's right. And some people actually evaluate value based on the price. So the more it is, the more it must do for you. That old saying about you get what you pay for? I don't know if it's true or not, but for some people, look, you can't really assess value without a price being equated to it.

• 30:35Hala Taha?

  Do you think with sales, it's important for the salesperson to be likeable? Do you feel like that's a really big piece of it?

• 30:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, I think it's very hard to sell somebody that doesn't like you, you know? I think it can still happen. It happens at McDonald's, Walmart.

• 30:51Hala Taha?

  But like high ticket sales or medium ticket sales?

• 30:54Speaker 00

  Look, I just bought some real estate from a guy I didn't like. It was $235 million. It was a fairly substantial price, so I didn't like him, but I still bought it from him. I just killed the deal because I didn't like the guy. I didn't like something he did. Now I'm going to punish him for it. And I think buyers do that, too. I'm not buying from you. You treated me like this. But, but that doesn't mean, I think the sellers out there need to understand, your job is not to get somebody to like you. It's your job is to get somebody to love the product, believe it can solve their problems. And if they like you at the end, great. But I don't think people should be trying to twist off and become whatever version you need me to be. Then I just lose myself.

• 31:36Speaker 00

  I lose all my power, my self-confidence because I'm trying to be something that makes you happy. That's the problem with all these trickery sales, like the neurolinguistics. You touch your shoulder, I should touch my shoulder, mirroring and all that. I don't believe in it. We have 260 salespeople in our company and, and I can tell you those guys will never work out. They're underperformers. They don't do as well.

• 31:59Hala Taha?

  So in terms of somebody who's in sales, right? For you and me, sales are easy because we're founders, we're CEOs. I can get on a sales call and just, you know, I'm one of the biggest influencers on LinkedIn, for example. So I could just say everything I know about LinkedIn and press them, close the sale. But for a salesperson that works for somebody else, how are they supposed to come on a call, be confident, be likeable, or be somebody who people want to give millions of dollars to?

• 32:27Speaker 00

  They need to act like you on the call. You know, if I was selling your product, I'd be like, Hala is the number one influencer on LinkedIn. She will never let you down. Her products will not let you down. I will not let her products and her let you down. Her strategies are proven, fortified. They work for everyone and I promise you, personally promise you, this will be the best investment you will make. Now, the issue is whether you're going to sign up for one year, two years or three years. It's not if you're going to sign up. All is a proven commodity. You're not, no offense. And I'm not, I'm just the conduit. I'm the messenger. So by the way, with the three years, with the three year commitment and 30% down, I can actually get you a 20 minute call with Holla.

• 33:10Hala Taha?

  It's like hyping them up. I love that strategy.

• 33:13Speaker 00

  I need to channel you. There's two videos of my kids. One of them was 10 at the time. The other one was more recent. She's 13. They got on the phone and started calling clients. The 13 year old, never done these phone calls before. I gave her a little script. Hey, Antoine, my name's Scarlett Cardone. I'm calling on behalf of my dad. And there was a question. Still $28,000 of products in like three hours.

• 33:38Hala Taha?

  That's amazing.

• 33:38Speaker 00

  And all the salesmen are like, well dude, how's she doing this? I said, bro, because it's simple. You guys are explaining the product and she's asking for the clothes. So most salespeople stay stuck in the sales process and never move to the clothes, asking for the business. And in those objections, when you gave me those objections, I never went back to product. I just stayed in the objection, trying to handle whatever it is you're telling me why you can't make a decision today. By the way, which probably has more to do with you than my product, the offer, the price or anything. The inability of the customer to trust me is more about you not trusting you than it is you not trusting me.

• 34:20Hala Taha?

  So you're trying to get them to make the decision themselves?

• 34:23Speaker 00

  I'm trying to get them back to a place where they can trust themselves to make a decision. Like the one where you said, I need to talk to my husband. Well, it wasn't even a real objection because by the time you got to it, you said, no, no, I'm gonna buy it anyway. Or the price thing when you said, it's a little high. You didn't say it was impossible. In fact, you later said, it was really because I can't scale. I need 10 of these, not one. And you're probably in your head saying 10 times 15,000 is 150. I don't have 150,000, but I have 15. So we might not even have them on the right scale of product in that case.

• 34:56Hala Taha?

  Yeah, usually the objection, and maybe this could be the last objection, is I don't think it's gonna work, or I'm not sure it's gonna work for me.

• 35:03Speaker 00

  Well, you definitely shouldn't buy it if you don't think it's gonna work for you. And I wouldn't want you to buy it from me if you didn't think it was gonna work for you. What is it you're concerned won't work? Because the last thing I want you to do is leave here and it doesn't work for you. We both lose. And then I gotta find out, I could be on the wrong product. So, by the way, they could say it's too much money, I need to talk to my husband, I gotta talk to my accountant, just because it's the wrong product, and they don't want to tell you, they just wasted forty-five minutes of your time.

• 35:30Hala Taha?

  Okay, I want to talk about creator entrepreneurship before we go, because you've built this amazing brand. You're crushing it on all the different platforms. You raised money from your community and with your venture with Brandon, and you did things really uniquely. So, creator entrepreneurship is something that everybody's talking about. Everybody wants to be like you. You were one of the pioneers of this concept of creator entrepreneurship. Talk to us about why it's so important, as a founder today, to actually have a community, and maybe some of like the trade-offs also of being a personality while also running a business.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you want a community to sell to, and you want a community to serve. The bigger the community is, the more quality you're gonna get. You can't get quality without quantity. People are like, I'd rather one good friend than ten thousand people. And okay, maybe, but if you have one friend in Lake Charles, Louisiana, and you're in Dubai, he can't help you. So you need tens of thousands of people to know who you are and what you do. Tens of thousands, without exaggeration. I don't care whether you sell cars, insurance, you're a single mom, you want friends all over the world, you want people to know who you are. And if you're an introvert, you're like, yeah, but that's not me. Okay, well, you're thinking about, you're not an introvert, you're selfish.

• 36:50Speaker 00

  Because I brought up what you need to do in order to take care of your family, and the first thing you say is, I'm an introvert. Well, I wasn't talking about, you're always talking about what you need to do to take care of your family, and your success, and your future, and your charities, and whatever it is you're trying to do. People have plenty of excuses. They got all these labels, these excuses. You know, I'm shy, I'm this, I'm that. Okay, well, okay, good. How do you know I'm not shy? And how do you know I'm not an introvert? All of these things are uncomfortable for me. But what I did was I was more committed to the outcome and to not relying on one or two people. So I knew I needed to build a community. Now, I don't really think about it as community. I don't think about it like that. I know John Lee probably, he's probably the one that invented the community word.

• 37:33Speaker 00

  He was one of those first guys to do that community thing. Him, Lewis Howes. These guys, they're such nice people. I hope Lewis and Dumas sees it because they're super nice. I am not that guy. That's not who I am. It's not my brand. I'm a nice guy, but nobody's gonna say I'm nice. That's just not who I am. I'm not trying to be them. And so I don't think about, oh, I'm gonna build a community. Okay, instead, I thought about, I'm gonna become a bank. Okay, and I'm gonna bank money for people. I'm gonna serve a purpose for people. I'm gonna help people bank money. So when they go to JP Morgan or Merrill Lynch or Wells Fargo, they're gonna ignore you. And I'm not, okay?

• 38:15Speaker 00

  I'm gonna invest people's money for them and give better returns than if they invested it themselves. I'm not thinking about a community here. I could use that word. The bank did it, the community bank. But it's bullshit. Now, I'm not saying Dumas and Lewis Howes are bullshitting people because I don't think they are. But most people, they call themselves something like community bank or friendly Chevrolet. Yeah, well, it's probably because they weren't friendly and they weren't community. And so there's a lot of sales pitch or marketing in some of that branding, right? I am 10x. I am Grant Cardone. I say exactly what I wanna say. I'm very colorful. I'm borderline anti-political. Politically incorrect is a better word.

• 38:58Speaker 00

  I tell dumb jokes and I offend people. I offend people. I have a T-shirt. I apologize in advance. But it's who I am. And that is my community. Now, in that community, the downside of it is that community of people that kinda gel with me. It's probably one-third, one-third, one-third. Okay. One-third of them don't like me. One-third of the people that know me absolutely do not like me. They don't like my voice. They don't like the way I talk. There's two-thirds that are in the ecosystem. One-third of those are not even sure. They're like, I don't know, man, shit. You know, if they're with the haters, they hate me. And if they're with me, they're cool. Okay. And then there's a third, man. There's a third of them that'll die for me.

• 39:41Speaker 00

  If you need to be admired and loved by everybody, well, stick with one or two people. They're gonna let you down too, by the way. You know, we have probably 16 million people that follow me online. And there's probably somewhere between 125 million, 160 million people that see our content every year. I don't know how they feel about me. I have no clue. But that wasn't the target. The target was never to get anybody to like me. In the case, the example I gave you earlier was to build a bank. And a bank of two people is not much of a bank.

• 40:11Hala Taha?

  And you're building a bank, so people are trusting you, right? You've got to build trust online. And one of the ways that I feel like you've built trust is that you've really opened the curtain to your family life. You know, we know about your daughters. We know about your wife. We know about your relationship together. And you've really given us these really personal details about your life. So talk to us about building trust online and the ways that you do it.

• 40:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, that wasn't really intentional. That was not a marketing. That was not a gimmick, even though some people say it was. But I'm with my kids all the time, dude. We homeschool our kids. They travel with us everywhere. They work at the company. My wife works with me. It's not a gimmick. It's not a show. We're not doing that. When I showed the plane, I'm not showing the plane to somehow sell a lifestyle. I'm like, hey, look, dude, you can do this. That's the only reason I ever showed the plane. Now, my guys will chop it up. Video guys will chop it up because they're like, oh, the plane really works and gets clicks. But the goal was not to build a brand like that. This was not a trick. It's just who I am. When I was 10 years old, my dad died. And no one would let me see inside their house.

• 41:19Speaker 00

  Their house, their backyard, their business. I couldn't get a look at anything. And so I just swore that one day, if I ever made it, I was not going to become a successful person and then close the drapes, if you will, onto what I was doing. So I've had in public just recently, a big litigation with an ex-partner, the health guy, John Lesch, defamation lawsuit, a hundred million dollars in public and resolved. I had another little litigation in public. I didn't do that because I want my dirty laundry. I did it because I'm like, this is the kind of shit you're gonna go through. Why not make it public? Any money that I have, you wanna know what I'm worth? I'll tell you right now. I looked at my net worth this morning. I know exactly what the

• 42:03Speaker 00

  number is, and so does the IRS. The people that post there online are the only ones that don't know. So if the IRS knows, why should I care? The family thing, I don't think family's the way to get people to trust you. I think the only way to build trust online, there's one way to do it and only one way and no shortcuts. It is through frequency of content. If you do not do frequency of content, repetitive, not quantity, repetitively deliver content to a lot of different universes about a lot of different topics, you will not be trusted in the marketplace. And before that, if you produce no content and no one knows you, it is impossible to be trusted, no matter how

• 42:47Speaker 00

  honest you are. Nobody knows you, they will not trust you. And the better the light on the face, the more they're gonna trust you, the darker it gets, the less they're gonna trust you, because I become, I don't know, I don't know this person, should I trust this person? So if you wanna get people to really trust you, you have to keep showing up the same location over and over and over again.

• 43:07Hala Taha?

  How involved are you in your social strategy? Are you directing things? What does that process look like?

• 43:15Speaker 00

  We do a lot of stuff that we're just trying stuff. I mean, we don't know what we're doing most of the time. I would tell you that if there's a scale from one to 10, how good we are socially, maybe a three.

• 43:25Hala Taha?

  Really? I don't think most people would say that.

• 43:28Speaker 00

  Dude, I'm a three at best. Okay, maybe a four. But look, I've raised 1.7 billion dollars over the internet, sold another one and a quarter billion dollars of products, and I would still say our marketing's terrible. It's slipshod. You know, I look at a guy like Mr. Beast and I'm like, no, that guy knows how to market. I look at Apple Computer, I'm like, okay, they know how to market. But what do I know? I've raised a billion, 1.7 billion dollars and JP Morgan has $4 trillion under management. So I haven't done anything yet.

• 44:00Hala Taha?

  Well, I think in the business influencer space, you are top five. So I think you're crushing it.

• 44:07Speaker 00

  Well, it just shows you how low the bar is.

• 44:10Hala Taha?

  No, it's just new.

• 44:12Speaker 00

  Who are the other four? Give me the other four. Who are the other four?

• 44:14Hala Taha?

  Alex Tramose.

• 44:15Speaker 00

  Alex, okay, yeah.

• 44:17Hala Taha?

  Gary Vee.

• 44:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 44:18Hala Taha?

  Cody Sanchez is getting up there. I feel like she's crushing it as a woman. Mel Robbins crushing it as a woman. Russell Brunson, he's my client. I love him. I feel like he should be on that. I feel like everybody learned from him, but he's not on there. Top five, top 10, hopefully. Okay, so last question to you. I want to be respectful of your time. What is one message that you want to leave our audience? A message that could potentially outlive you. What do you want to leave this world? What is this message to everyone?

• 44:50Speaker 00

  Do big things, you know, do big things you can. And when you do big things, you're going to be an inspiration to other people. The example, example people set through their success lives long, long after they're around. When I say that, I think of Walt Disney. You might not like what they're doing over there at Disney right now, but the original Disney and it's been around 100 years or something and Steve Jobs, JP Morgan, that's actually people. Those are people. That's not a brand. And the movies that were made that live on, you can live longer than 100 years. I believe I will live. I believe you know, I've transitioned many, many times in my career.

• 45:32Speaker 00

  That's the other thing I would tell people, do something big and be proud of it and let people know you did something big. And number two, transition. Once you've done something big, go do something else big in another environment. Probably the thing I'm most proud of, other than my marriage and my children, is my ability to morph into another version of myself. And so I would just encourage people to keep morphing and rebirth. Just come back as another version of yourself and surprise the world with what you can do.

• 46:05Hala Taha?

  And if you had to give one piece of actionable advice to all my young improfitters tuning in right now, what is one thing they can do today to 10x their life?

• 46:16Speaker 00

  Dude, bang. You gotta bang. You guys need to go out and bang. Get the bag. You get the bag and once you get that bag, take the bag and go invest it in something. And then go get another bag so that you accumulate assets, not cars and bracelets. Particularly to the women. I saw this stat recently. You guys are going to end up with all the money. In the next 25 years, women will end up with, I think there's $75 trillion being transferred. It's a massive number. The problem is women do not invest their money. Okay, they tend to keep it over at a bank or you put it in some kind of retirement account and you have no clue where it's at. So I would tell you guys, quit just leaving money in a place.

• 46:59Speaker 00

  Find some vehicle. And this is what's created wealth for my family is I worked hard at two jobs, took all the money, dumped it into a third vehicle that didn't need me. That's our real estate company. That company is going to be massive one day. It's gonna be 50, a hundred billion dollar company one day. But it all started with me earning money from a hustle and taking that money and then depositing in this other thing and staying broke in between. So I was always broke. Even, even though I had money, I was accumulating assets. I was broke and I'd go out and hustle again. And whatever you call a hustle, right? It's a side job, a main hustle. Hustle, man, hustle. Don't, don't, no hustle people, but have hustle, pep in your stride

• 47:43Speaker 00

  and be excited about serving me.

• 47:45Hala Taha?

  Amazing. Grant, thank you so much for joining us on the podcast. I know everybody can find you so easily. I'll put all your links in our show notes. Thank you so much, Grant. Great job.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  Thank you so much.

• 48:01Hala Taha?

  Yeah fam, I gotta give a massive shout out to Grant Cardone for sharing his time with us today. This guy is worth so much and he's got so many places to be, so many things to do, and he chose to spend his time here on Young and Profiting Podcast. So I'm so thankful for that. I love his energy. It was one of my favorite episodes of the year so far. I know Grant sometimes gets a bad rap, but to me, he's an incredible entrepreneur that has so much advice and he loves to give back and I just appreciate him. I look up to him so much. And some of the biggest takeaways that I had from this episode were about confidence and mindset. So first of all, Grant's challenge was simple. Find something that you can win at, whether it's mastering a specific skill, improving your daily routine, or hitting a work goal,

• 48:44Hala Taha?

  and then dedicate yourself completely to that pursuit. Get really, really, really good at what you do and you'll have confidence. Grant's message was also crystal clear on the sales side. Indecision kills deals. If you hesitate as a buyer, you'll hesitate as a seller. Close with confidence because people don't want a maybe. They want a salesperson who can guide them to certainty. And like Grant said, a lot of the times, it's really not the objections. It's the customer's belief in themselves that you've got to dismantle. And for creator entrepreneurs, Grant's advice couldn't be more relevant. If people don't know you, they won't trust you. And if they don't trust you, they won't buy from you. Whether you're shy, introverted, or just getting started, you've got to be seen. You've got to start

• 49:27Hala Taha?

  posting. Posting with purpose. Show up with intent. Build a brand that speaks before you do. Being a creator entrepreneur and having a personal brand is not something that's a nice to have, it's a must have in 2025. Yeah fam, this episode is your permission slip to go all in. Stop playing small, feed your obsession, and get committed to your outcomes. Because success is built by committing, then showing up like your life depends on it. If you're feeling as fired up as I am after this conversation, don't keep it to yourself. Share this episode with a friend or colleague who's ready to 10x their life and business. Your support also means the world for us. So drop us a five star review, a comment on Spotify, Apple Podcasts,

• 50:09Hala Taha?

  Box. I know this episode got you thinking. So tell us what you're thinking about. I love to read your reviews. And if you want to watch instead of listen, head over to YouTube. This is a really good one to watch, listen to it over and over again. We've got really great chemistry. So if you guys want to watch the video of me and Grant Cardone, head over to YouTube. We've got 60,000 subscribers over there. I'd love for you to be one of them. And a massive thanks to all of my incredible listeners. You are ambitious, you're purpose driven. You are the reason why I show up every single week to record a new episode. I hope you guys enjoy the show. And if you want to connect personally with me, you can find me on LinkedIn or Instagram at Yap with Hala. Until next time, this is your host, Hala Taha, AKA The Podcast Princess, signing off.

• 51:07Hala Taha?

  You