Dean Graziosi: The Golden Age Is Here! How First-Time Entrepreneurs Are Winning Big | Entrepreneurship | YAPClassic

Despite economic uncertainty, rising inflation, and fears that entrepreneurship is too risky, Dean Graziosi believes there’s never been a better time to start a business than now. After nearly three decades of building and scaling successful companies, he’s seen firsthand how technology and AI have dramatically lowered the barriers to entry for aspiring entrepreneurs. In this episode, Dean reveals how the game of entrepreneurship has changed and how anyone can create financial freedom through an online business. In this episode, Hala and Dean will discuss: (00:00) Introduction (01:44) The New Era of Entrepreneurship and Opportunity (08:36) Why It’s Easier Than Ever to Become an Entrepreneur (22:11) The Power of Monetizing Your Experience (28:30) How Entrepreneurs Can Thrive in Uncertain Times (33:39) The Best and Worst Businesses to Start Right Now (38:32) Turning Passions Into Profitable Businesses (45:29) How AI Is Transforming Entrepreneurship Dean Graziosi is a New York Times bestselling author, entrepreneur, investor, and trusted strategist behind some of the most successful product launches in the world. He’s the co-founder of Mastermind.com alongside Tony Robbins, where they empower everyday people to turn their knowledge and passions into thriving online businesses. Sponsored By: Indeed - Get a $75 sponsored job credit to boost your job's visibility at Indeed.com/PROFITING Shopify - Start your $1/month trial at Shopify.com/profiting. Quo - Get 20% off your first 6 months at Quo.com/PROFITING Revolve - Head to REVOLVE.com/PROFITING and take 15% off your first order with code PROFITING Merit Beauty - Go to meritbeauty.com to get your free signature makeup bag with your first order. DeleteMe - Remove your personal data online. Get 20% off DeleteMe consumer plans at to joindeleteme.com/profiting Spectrum Business - Visit Spectrum.com/FreeForLife to learn how you can get Business Internet Free Forever. Airbnb - Find yourself a cohost at airbnb.com/host Resources Mentioned: Dean’s Instagram: instagram.com/deangraziosi YAP E68 with Dean Graziosi: youngandprofiting.co/Underdog The Greatest Salesman in the World by Og Mandino: bit.ly/GreatSalesman Active Deals - youngandprofiting.com/deals Key YAP Links Reviews - ratethispodcast.com/yap YouTube - youtube.com/c/YoungandProfiting Newsletter - youngandprofiting.co/newsletter LinkedIn - linkedin.com/in/htaha/ Instagram - instagram.com/yapwithhala/ Social + Podcast Services: yapmedia.com Transcripts - youngandprofiting.com/episodes-new Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneurship Podcast, Business, Business Podcast, Self Improvement, Self-Improvement, Personal Development, Starting a Business, Strategy, Investing, Sales, Selling, Psychology, Productivity, Entrepreneurs, AI, Artificial Intelligence, Technology, Marketing, Negotiation, Money, Finance, Side Hustle, Startup, Mental Health, Career, Leadership, Mindset, Health, Growth Mindset, Passive Income, Solopreneur, Networking

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• 0:00Hala Taha?

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• 0:45Hala Taha?

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• 1:03Hala Taha?

  What's up, my young and profiteers? The game has changed and the old rules of success no longer apply. You don't need a fancy degree or a million dollar idea to win in today's world. What you need is clarity, confidence, and the right strategy. And my guest, Dean Graziosi, is the perfect person to show you how to get there. In this Yap Classic episode, Dean and I dive deep into how the digital revolution has leveled the playing field for everyday entrepreneurs. You'll learn how to turn what you already know into income, use AI to scale faster, and create a business that thrives, no matter what's happening in the economy. If you're ready to ditch the excuses, claim your edge, and build a life on your own terms, stick around. Here's my interview with Dean Graziosi.

• 1:48Hala Taha?

  So, Young and Profiteers, Dean came on the show, episode 68. And that was all the way back in 2020, when I first became an entrepreneur. Now, I own a company called Yap Media. 60 people work at this company worldwide. And when I first talked to you, I was just this new entrepreneur, and you inspired me so much with your rags to riches story. I can't believe-

• 2:10Speaker 01

  Believe how much has changed and the world has just changed so much since 2020. We talked during COVID, the summer of COVID, basically, and the world was in so much flux. I'm sure you inspired so many people. So younger profiteers, if you want to listen to that episode, it's episode 68. We talked about his amazing come up story. We talked about the underdog advantage, the mindset of being an entrepreneur and staying resourceful. And we even talked about sales and confidence tips. So I highly recommend that episode for anybody who's a new entrepreneur, who wants to be inspired to become an entrepreneur. That's episode 68. And today we're just going to talk about entrepreneurship and how much the world has changed. So I've actually heard you say that the American dream needs a generational reboot. So I'd love to hear about that.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Why do you feel the American dream has changed? And why do we need to rethink the way we think about the American dream?

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Great question. First off, I really want to give you kudos. I remember our interview in 2020 and I could see you were a little bit like a deer in headlights. It was new, it was fresh, your eyes were wide open, your energy was huge. And I see why you've become so popular and why you inspire so many because your story is amazing and your journey is amazing. And it just shows what's possible. When you're scared, you're unsure, but when you know, when you know there's another level of life waiting for you, you have to do the uncomfortable. You have to do what other people aren't willing to do. You have to miss a few events. You have to say no to your friends a few times when they want to have cocktails and you're doing something and they think you're crazy and they think, shouldn't you be back in a secure job? And all the crazy stuff that goes on in the invisible when no one's watching.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  The reason I love talking about entrepreneurship because we have something in common. We have thoughts in our mind that most people don't when no one's around. We're thinking, are we going to make this? How are we going to make this? How do I get more creative? How do I get innovative? Where can I learn? What podcast should I listen to? What book should I listen to? What mentor should I have? What course should I buy? We're doing all this stuff in the invisible. So in the light on front stage, it looks like we have something unique. We are special. We got lucky when that's not the case. We're doing the work when no one's watching and if you're here on this podcast, you are doing that work. You are doing the investigating. That's why I love being with a group like this and I look forward to having fun. I'm in a mood today, so let's have some fun. I want to share as much as possible.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  I love it. I feel your energy. I love it.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  And listen, it doesn't mean this is going to be politically correct with everyone. I come from a different generation from a lot of the people that are watching. I'm 55. Even though I have some young children and I love feeling young, staying young, but still I've been around a little longer than most. And when I was young, there wasn't the internet. You couldn't find somebody like you who was sharing information, interviewing amazing people. It wasn't so easy to download podcasts or books on audio, right? If you wanted more, you had to find a mentor or read some books. But to me, what the American dream meant to me as a kid is two things. One, my grandfather came from Italy. And he didn't have the money to get from Italy to America in the late 1800s. So his family gave him a donkey that he walked down to the docks,

• 5:13Speaker 02

  found a boat going to America, sold the donkey and still didn't have enough. So he made a deal to shovel coal in the steam engine as a ticket to America. Never saw his family again, got on this boat, came to America, got dropped off on Ellis Island in New York City without a dollar in his pocket, didn't know a human being and didn't know the language. That was my grandfather, Hala. And right now, I live an abundant life where I get to impact people for a living. I get to partner with the people that I respect the most. I get to retire my mom, retire my dad and make sure my family's okay. I get to be in control of my calendar, my time because of what I believe is the American dream, which is entrepreneurship and having the opportunity to have no limits. That is the simple definition.

• 5:58Speaker 02

  But a lot's changed, especially since COVID. And people think, is capitalism greed? Is wanting to be an entrepreneur and do your own thing, is it still popular? Is it still a good thing? The fact of the matter is, our country, America at least, and most of the world is fueled by small businesses. We see the big Apple and we see the big Amazon. But this country is fueled by the startup entrepreneur that does their own thing, that does the work in the invisible. And I believe... That whatever your beliefs are, I believe we are pushed so far away in the last couple of years that maybe doing your own thing isn't good. Maybe it is greedy to want to be successful. I think people were criticized for working hard. I think we pushed so far

• 6:38Speaker 02

  to one extreme that I see a rebound that is massive. Right now, each month, more people are registering new businesses than ever before in the history of America. Right now, people are saying enough BS, I want to do my own thing. I don't want restrictions. I don't want a glass ceiling. I don't want someone with a thumb on my head. I don't want someone to adjust my calendar. I'm going to gain the skills, gain the capabilities, and get your version of the American dream. I think the American dream is just hope with a path. We hope we can have more, find somebody who's already done it, and go all in to reach our full potential. That's my belief, and I love, I'm blessed to do for a living along with my partner, Tony Robbins, is just help people sometimes take off the facade, take

• 7:22Speaker 02

  off the locks, the blocks, the limiting beliefs, the imposter syndrome, and just see you for who you are when you look in a mirror and go, I'm more than this. I know I'm meant for more. I know I can do more. I'm enough. I know enough. I can do this. I just need a path. And I love helping people find that path, just like you do, or you wouldn't be doing this podcast.

• 7:42Speaker 01

  100%. And I love what you're saying, because it's so true. Life is easier now. It's easier for entrepreneurs. It's never been easier to become an entrepreneur. We've got all these new technologies and advantages and opportunities. And like you said, my dad came to America, and he told me a story. All he came was, he had a chicken that his grandma gave him or something when he came to America. And then he became a doctor and a surgeon and all these things. And he started from nothing. So similarly, I feel like I had no excuses. I grew up with, oh, I have no excuse. My dad came here, all he had was a chicken.

• 8:15Speaker 02

  A chicken.

• 8:16Speaker 01

  You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's a very similar thing. So let's talk about these new opportunities and advantages that entrepreneurs have. Why is the barrier to entry to becoming an entrepreneur so much lower than it was before?

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Let's just talk about technology. If you're born with something,

• 8:34Speaker 02

  Your dad, right? Where did your dad leave?

• 8:37Speaker 01

  Palestine. I'm Palestine. 100% Palestinian, yeah.

• 8:40Speaker 02

  Amazing, amazing. I was trying to figure that from your name. I was guessing that. Amazing story, right? But think about, your father had his share of obstacles that you can't relate to. You weren't born with those. My children aren't born with the obstacles my grandfather had or some of the obstacles I had, right? They're born in a different era. So when you're born and things are at your fingertips, your brain automatically goes to what's missing? What's lost? How hard is it, right? Politics are so insane right now, all across the world, especially here in America. It's ridiculous, right? So our brain goes, oh, with this political, oh, with this, oh, there's too many people online. Oh, AI could crush us. AI is going to put us out of business. And our brain only defaults to what we know.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Could you imagine your dad? If someone said, hey, you have the opportunity to go online, to start a business with your phone, you could find ideal clients. Your father would be like, this is the greatest thing in the world. He had a chicken and had to put himself through school. It would have seemed amazing. He would have been grateful every day. But if you took two generations later, maybe your children who are just brought up with all of it, their brain is going to find what's missing. So I know that's philosophical. I'll get more tactical in a minute. But first, we have to adjust our thought process. Instead of saying, oh, it's really hard. No, it's not. If you want to go, ask your grandparents. If you have grandparents alive, ask your grandparents how they had to get by in life. I guarantee you're going to go, wow, I'm pretty damn lucky. I'm going to give you an example in my industry.

• 10:09Speaker 02

  I just want to be specific for a minute. I bought Tony Robbins, who's now my dearest friend and partner, but I bought his course 27 years ago, before a lot of people listening were alive. Actually, 28 years ago. So I bought his course. At that time, I worked on cars. I had a tow truck. I had apartments. But I bought Tony's course and it shifted my life. It made me realize that I gave Tony money for information. It shifted my life. I wanted to be in that business. So 27 years ago, I shifted everything. It's why I'm in this industry. But I want to share something. When I first started in this industry... So using this as a comparison. Say you wanted to do what I do, what Tony does, what so many people are doing. And you want to impact others with your life experience, a talent you have, a skill you have, a passion that you have.

• 10:52Speaker 02

  When I started 27 years ago, I had to produce an infomercial because there was no internet. People like, "Why did you do infomercials?" "It's like I'm old." Like, there was no internet. So I had to produce an infomercial, which was $150,000. And I used credit cards to get half that done. I had to get product built. This was when there was DVDs and cassette tapes and booklets. I had to get product printed and I had to put it in the warehouse and tapes and DVDs. I had to hire a company to ship it. Then I had to pay $50,000 in TV media just to get a test. So I was in over $200,000 and I was selling a $37 course. My family's like, "You're an idiot. How many of those $37 courses do you have to sell just to get your money back?" All of that had to happen.

• 11:36Speaker 02

  Fast forward today, you could literally use AI to help you unlock your life experience, to turn it into a coaching program or a course or a workshop or a monthly membership. You literally could do that in hours. You could get the framework. I would love to know your entrepreneurial journey. When I met you, you wanted to be an entrepreneur. Now you've got 60 or 80 employees and a thriving business. I would pay anything. I want to know your story. If you were 27 years ago, you'd have to do all the things I did. Right now, you literally could go to AI for a day, lay it out, film on your phone, and plug into a system whereby the end of the week, for the cost of five cups of coffee, you could be online targeting your ideal client and making sales.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  So if you look at why it's been easier, things are getting exponentially easier every single day. People say to me, "Is AI going to take my job?" I'm like, "No. People who use AI the right way will take your job or take your career." That's all it is. It's not stealing your job. And everything new, maybe not for a younger generation, but everything new for a little bit older generation thinks it's the end of the world. Everything can be used for good. Everything can be used for bad. The internet, there's porn and people selling drugs and there's life transformative information to save the world. It's what happens. It's you get to choose how you utilize this technology to empower you, empower others, impact and grow faster. So I think you are alive during the golden age. I know it might be hard to see.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  I know the world is in a crazy place. I know people are uncertain, but hear me. And I'm guessing with your age, your following is in that same demographic. And I'm sure you've got variables on each side, outliers, but I want to share this with you. And I'm not trying to say, you know, when I went to school, it was I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow. I just want you to know, if you can put yourself in a place of this is what I have, rather than this is what I lost. Where can I look for opportunities rather than looking for obstacles? Where can I see where the world is going rather than looking in the mirror of where it was? I promise you, there is more opportunity for you right now to thrive. And you're also a part of a generation where we have instant gratification. So the other little bit of advice, not talking to you like a dad, but other little bit of advice.

• 13:47Speaker 02

  Do not overestimate what you can do in a year. The other way, I should say, is we all overestimate what we can do in a year and we underestimate what you can do in five. And in the next five years with focus, look at this amazing woman that you follow. I was on here in 2020, it's not even five years yet. Because of determination, because of stick, and look how this woman's life has transformed. But if she would have judged, let me ask you, if you don't mind me putting that, if you would have judged this whole experience six months in.

• 14:17Speaker 01

  You're so right. If I would have looked back six months after starting, I would have seemed like I made no progress. But I started as a podcaster, right? Three years later, I had an award-winning social media agency. Five years later, I have the number one business and self-improvement podcast network and they call me the podcast princess, right? So literally five years later, I'm dominating my entire industry as the number one female podcaster. And I represent all the top business podcasts and I make 30% of all their sponsorships, basically, right? So to your point, so much can change in five years if you just focus and you're consistent.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  I love it. And I love you're such proof of that. And I want people to look behind because let me just ask you. Was there a time in the first year where you said, I don't know if I should be doing this?

• 15:03Speaker 01

  100%. The first two years, I was growing on LinkedIn and platforms, but pretty much stagnant growth. I was getting big guests, but I was, I couldn't really see the light at the end of the tunnel. I was really becoming an entrepreneur and realizing that, hey, I can monetize my podcast in other ways. And then reinvest into my dream and I'll ultimately get what I want, but maybe not in a straight path.

• 15:24Speaker 02

  Thank you for that honesty and I don't mean to be interviewing you, but I want to ask you a couple more questions.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  No, it's great.

• 15:29Speaker 02

  In any of that time, did anyone in your family say, Hala, are you sure you're doing the right thing?

• 15:34Speaker 01

  Yes, I mean, I had to actually break up with my ex-boyfriend because he didn't want me to become an entrepreneur. He was happy with me being a podcaster, but as soon as I started a business and it was basically my husband, right? So I had to break up with my long-term partner.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  You questioned yourself, questioned your finances, people who loved you questioned you. And was there ever a moment where you just said, I gotta bail and you started researching, where should I go? Should I go back to a secure job? Should I do podcasting on the side and get a nine to five? Only reason I'm sharing this, you're shaking your head yes. The reason I'm sharing this is because I want all of you to know, to do your own thing, everybody sees the end result. Og Mandino, he wrote a book called The World's Greatest Salesman. He said, you gotta remember that the prize is at the end of the journey, not the beginning. And you don't know how many corners you have to go around until your prize is there. Meaning in my opinion, that is, or my observation is that's like, you don't have any corners of obstacles.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Overcoming your parents, overcoming someone leaving you because you wanted to live into your full potential. Overcome the self-doubt, overcome the imposter syndrome, another corner, another corner. And sometimes you go around six corners, you go like, this one was so hard. And you get around the corner and there's still another corner. You're like, oh my God, when is this gonna happen? But that's only when you're in it. When you're in it, it seems like forever. Now I'm sitting here having a conversation with you. I bet you look back, go, oh my God, I got to this in four and a half years. It is lightning speed. And here's the part you gotta realize. And if any of you have children, I love to think about or say the truth. You probably missed going out with girlfriends at certain times, maybe missed on some dating opportunities, missed out on some family functions. You have a friend, I will bet my life, you have a friend that go,

• 17:16Speaker 02

  oh, you're too busy with your company. You don't even call me anymore. I guarantee you have one.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  100%.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  Okay, those same people are gonna look at you in three or four years and go, oh my God, I used to know her. I wonder if I could get some information on how I could do what she did. What I'm saying is, everybody wants the outcome of where this amazing woman is right now, where she's going to be over the next 10 years. But most people aren't willing to do the work. So I'm just going to tell you to say, "Do the work. Don't expect it to happen in three months, or six months, or a year." Here's something really important. Somebody just asked me last week about, "What's the fastest way to success?" It's like, "Oh, my God, you know now." There's a million things that you never thought you had to think about that you do. But if I had to boil it down to a few. Number one, model proven practices. Find somebody who's already done what you're doing and model what they're doing. Have them be a mentor.

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Get in their coaching program. Just obsessively observe everything they're doing. There is no reason in today's world to start at zero when somebody is already doing what you want to do. Start off where they left off and then make it yours, number one. Number two, you need a big enough purpose. If your purpose is, "I want to get rich and buy the watch and go on vacations," I promise you, there'll be a point where you go, "Ah, it's not worth it." But when you have the opportunity to go deeper and say, "Hey, my father came with a chicken and transformed his life. I want my family to see it." Maybe in your life, I'm not putting words in your mouth. I want a partner that sees my worth as a human, as an entrepreneur, and fuels my entrepreneurship. I am not going to stop that because I'm going to attract a man or a partner that loves me for exactly who I am.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  We need something so big that when you get turned down, when you're six months in, when imposter syndrome kicks in, when a boyfriend breaks up with you, or a parent tells you you're crazy, something so big that you go, "I hear you, but I'm not stopping." And then the third thing is, you've just got to keep persisting. You've got to keep going around corners. Some of us have to go around three corners. Some of us have to go around 30. But if you persist, you will succeed. There's no way around it.

• 19:19Hala Taha?

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• 21:36Hala Taha?

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• 22:21Hala Taha?

  Go to GetMark'sBook.com/Yap, buy one copy for $32 and get a second copy free, so you can keep one for yourself and give the second to a friend, future co-founder, or someone who needs a little push. I love it. I'm sure you got everybody tuning in fired up about being an entrepreneur, if they're not one yet. So Dean, let's stick on this topic for a little bit in terms of how people don't have to choose between their career and their passions anymore. There used to be a day where to make money, you just had to do hard work. Didn't necessarily mean you liked to do the work, but it was what was available, and that's really not the case anymore. So how have things changed from the past in terms of this?

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Such a great question. I could sit and chat with you for hours, because the main reason we called it "The Game Has Changed" just because of that. People used to think to get successful, I have to find a way that makes money, even if I like it or I don't, sacrifice myself completely and just hopefully make the money. That has changed exponentially because of technology, because of AI, because of the ability to learn at a fast pace, to be able to get product and testing out like that at minimal cost. All of those things have changed. That's why we named it "The Game Has Changed." But I think the most important thing... And I can see in the interviews, because I watched a few of your interviews before, so I could get to know you even a little better since it's been, you know, four and a half years. I think we've been taught and told the biggest lie.

• 23:46Speaker 02

  When you hear people say, "We must have work-life balance." I think that's the biggest crap in the world. Do you know anybody that has work-life balance? I think that's shared with people because people didn't like their jobs. Over 50% of people are in a job that they hate. Not dislike, they hate it, right? So they're in a job that they hate and it's like, "I must balance." I can picture somebody like at the front door before they walk in, like, "I gotta balance, I'm gonna walk through the door with a smile. I need this balance, I need this balance." It never works, right? If you're having a bad day at work, you carry that home. Things aren't going. If your boss has got his thumb on your head or her thumb on your head, you carry it home. So what you've discovered, and you probably know this, I'm just gonna put a term to it, is life-work integration. When you have the opportunity to do something that empowers you,

• 24:30Speaker 02

  we're working right now, both of us. This is a blast, I'm having the time of my life.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Oh, he's fun, yeah.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  This is our work, right? And if you inspire me today, or I'm watching some of your other podcasts and I get inspired, and I'm in a better space, and I see a breakthrough, and I see I can live into my full potential, when I go home to my wife, I'm a better man. When I play with my kids, I'm a better father. And the wish I would wish I could grant, and the reason we're doing this live event, is to show you that you literally could have a life, not a pie in the sky, not get rich for doing anything, but you could have a life where you don't care and you don't know where work ends and life begins, because you're growing as a human in both of them. And that's why we call it "The Game Has Changed." And COVID proved that. When COVID came, we were all home, that's when we did our last interview. A lot of people didn't go back, because they're like,

• 25:17Speaker 02

  "I'm not going back to a group that makes me feel bad about myself every day, that stops my innovation." But most people didn't know where to turn. And that's why Tony and I all scream for mountain tops, to give people a path and a plan to do that.

• 25:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. So what about normal people, right? People who are not me or you, they don't have a platform? Why do you think that they have something to teach other people? How do they know when they do have something to teach other people?

• 25:41Speaker 02

  Really great question. I know a lot of you are young on here, listen, but let me just ask you, and I've asked a lot of people this. When people say to me, "I'm not sure my life experience is valuable," I say, "If you had the opportunity to go back..." And spend one week with your 18-year-old self. And for that one week, that your 18-year-old is going to sit and listen to you for your week. I've asked with a million dollars, I've asked with a hundred thousand. I said, if you had a chance to go back and spend a week with your 18-year-old self and you could bring back any information, here's the business you want. Don't get in that relationship. And don't look at the lens of relationship. Don't replicate what your parents did. Think of all the things you would tell your 18-year-old self. Think bigger. Don't let other people get in your mind. Maybe don't go to college. Go right into entrepreneurship and find specialized knowledge.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Go mentor for somebody. Take a deep breath. You don't need to be married by 25. Like, all the things that you would do. I say, would you choose, if I could wave a magic wand and put a million bucks in your bank account, or send you back for a week with your 18-year-old self? 99.9% of the time, everybody always goes, oh, my God. I would go back and talk to my 18-year-old self. My life would be better. I'd be happier, be more fulfilled. I would change my exercise. I would change the way I looked at relationship, the way I looked at entrepreneurship. That's worth hundreds of millions. You've got to realize, the life experience you've accumulated is that valuable to someone else who's just starting off? If you went through a bad breakup and found yourself after, somebody's starting the breakup. You might want to create a program or a community based around that.

• 27:09Speaker 02

  If you got good at sales, if you got good at podcasts, if you got good at anything, you are one step ahead of somebody who's starting on zero. You get to collapse time. And that's what all of us want. We want time. We want the fastest. Smart entrepreneurs cut checks for speed. That's just it. And you have the opportunity to collapse time for other people. By day one, everybody's going to know, oh, I do have something and this is what it is.

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love what you're saying because it's so true. For instance, AI. AI just came out a year ago for the public. If you've mastered AI in the last year, you're already so much far ahead of everybody who hasn't even thought about it yet and you can turn that into a product. You know, just even having a year of experience.

• 27:51Speaker 02

  You are so 100% right, especially everybody over 40 is struggling with AI. Everybody under 40 is part of their life. My kids, my 17 and 15 year old son use it every day of their life, right? Where my dad, I gotta explain to him every five minutes on how it's not Google. It's different and show him how to ask questions. So, great example, great example.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, okay. So, we talked about some of the opportunities, the fact that technology is moving so fast. It's easier than ever to become an entrepreneur, to sell something online. But let's talk about some of the challenges. And I know one of the big challenges is inflation. And when I think about inflation, I think about groceries, right? I don't really think about entrepreneurship. So, how does inflation impact entrepreneurship?

• 28:33Speaker 02

  I'm just gonna quote Warren Buffett, not quote, but share some of the things he said. He said, "During high inflation, if you have a business that relies on buying product and having it shipped, you can get slaughtered because gas prices can go up, the cost of storing it goes up, and the cost of the product goes up. So, if you have small margins, if you're buying something for 20 bucks and you're selling it for 30 bucks, and all of a sudden, gas prices, margin, shipping goes up, your profit is destroyed. They say if you're a carpenter and you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So, of course, I'm gonna look through the lens of my business, my industry. Why I love what you're doing right now is right now, you are providing value to the world, you have sponsorship, your company's there to make money, it should.

• 29:17Speaker 02

  You should make a lot of money for the lives you're changing. I hope you make more than anything on the planet because you're impacting lives for a living. But right now, you're not paying for a product. You're delivering this through social media platforms that don't cost you anything. Your cost of goods is zero. Of course, you have to have a studio, you have to have someone help you. I get all that. But you're not putting product in a business and you don't know if inflation is gonna destroy you. You own a grocery store right now, you are screwed. People are mad, the prices go up and your margins are going down. You can do nothing about it, you're choked. Why I love the information industry is because your product costs nothing. You don't have to store it, you don't have to warehouse it. Inflation doesn't impact it, and it's one of the most valuable assets you can deliver to people.

• 29:59Speaker 02

  To me, it is inflation-proof and simultaneously, you can grow. You hired, did you say you're at 60 people?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  60 employees, yes.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Amazing, amazing, right? If we get to sell information and grow, then we hire other people, we can pay them better, and we help reduce the stress of inflation.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  That's awesome in terms of inflation. So traditional business models are not doing as well as new business models that are online because of this inflation, because you have to have products, store it. We basically have free distribution now. What other challenges do you think entrepreneurs are facing right now?

• 30:34Speaker 02

  I think the biggest challenge, and this is just my age is determining this. I think our biggest challenge is the stories that are going on inside of our heads. In all my years in partnering and fortunate to meet some amazing entrepreneurs and multiple billionaires, and I don't say like, "Look at me," but you see, you can't help in you do this because you're interviewing so many great people. You are seeing trends. That's why you're doing so well in your business. It's a great business model, by the way. You're interviewing incredible entrepreneurs, and then you take what you learn and input it in your own business? Brilliant, right? Brilliant. But if you see the entrepreneurs who thrive, especially when things are changing, it's because they're working on their personal development. They work on their personal growth. They work on their thoughts. They work on their emotions.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  Because during uncertain times, I would say we are in those, our brains can start focusing on what could go wrong. Our brains start focusing on how to protect, how to play goalie. And a lot of times when things shift, you can't play goalie. You can't protect because if you're not climbing, you're sliding. That's a fact. So a couple of things, and I would write these down. Number one, you must protect your confidence. In a shifting time, in a crazy time, in a time you want to grow, you have to protect your confidence. You've never made a good decision when your confidence is down. You didn't get the date. You didn't get the relationship. You didn't get the job. You didn't get the sale. You got nothing. When your confidence is down, you know that. So you have to focus on anything you can.

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Borrow confidence from the past. Borrow confidence from a great podcast. Borrow confidence from an incredible book. Borrow confidence from a mantra. "I can do this. I can do anything. God gave me a gift, and I'm going to bring it to life." Whatever it is you need to do, you've got to work on your mindset because, again, not quoting simple quotes, but Henry Ford said, "If you think you can, you will. And if you think you can't, you won't." So it doesn't matter if you have the greatest business. If you get in your head, you're dead. If you get in your head thinking this is going to go wrong, inflation's going to kill me, what's going to go on with this election, you're focused so much on the outside, your business suffers. So for me, I would say go upstream and work on you. Become unstoppable. Have a mind that you can question the negative thoughts. You can observe and say, I get that part,

• 32:46Speaker 02

  but I'm going after the opportunity, not the obstacle. I'm going to focus on what I have, not what I've lost. I think you need to be a warrior inside your mind right now more than any other thing. Because once you have that, I would absolutely go with someone with an unstoppable mindset and a C opportunity than someone who's scared with an A opportunity.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. The number one job of an entrepreneur is to sell, right? And if you have no confidence and you get on a sales call, you're not selling anybody to join your team. You're not selling anybody to buy your products. And you need to be able to sell and have confidence. So let's talk about worst businesses and best businesses to start right now. What's your opinion?

• 33:28Speaker 02

  The way things are right now, I would not start anything that takes a huge capital call. If you have to finance your house, if you have to get credit cards, if you have to borrow money or use your savings or tap into your 401K to put a lot of money out, I would honestly pause on that. I would pause on crazy spending right now. I know you didn't ask me that. I would pause on buying the brand new car today. I would pause on buying the really fancy watch. I would pause on buying the bigger house right now. I would pause on that just to see where things are going. But don't pause on your innovation. Don't pause on your creativity. Don't pause on your energy. I would pause on putting money into any company that takes a huge upfront and if it's got huge product costs. So that's a must. And on the opposite side,

• 34:14Speaker 02

  I feel like I just keep coming back to my thing. But there's other businesses like that. What businesses can you start with your own time and effort? What businesses can you start without a huge outlay of cash to get the first momentum, to get the first sales, to get things going? What things can you do to allocate resources, minimal resources, to spend a little and get a lot back and get proof of concept? Here's what I'm just saying. If you're in a place where I'm going to quit my job and go all in, I would say find something where you can. Do a little bit at a time, so you can see it's working. And then when the new thing is replacing the income of the old thing, then you can decide to transition. That's the time in life we're at. Now, if you're saying, "I don't have time for that," I'm gonna jump ahead here. I got, I could just picture people saying, "I'd love that, but my job keeps me so busy."

• 34:59Speaker 02

  Here's what I want to say. Obsess over the next couple of days and create a not-to-do list. We all have a to-do list. Create a not-to-do list. And here's what I would suggest. Realize your job, or the thing you're doing right now, is just a stepping stone in your life. It's not forever. If you do that, you'll appreciate it more. Because right now, if you're like, "Oh, I hate my job. I want to do this thing," it doesn't usually work that way. Because how you do one thing is how you do everything. So you gotta go, "Don't love this job, but I love it for now, because it's gonna be my launching pad." That's number one. Number two, I would make a list of all the activities that you do. Hear me on this one. Four different buckets. Bucket number one on the activities you do are non-negotiables. For me, that would be date night, my wife, spending time with my kids, bringing them to school. There's non-negotiables. I'm not stopping doing it.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I'm not missing tennis matches. I'm not missing softball practices. I'm not. Non-negotiable. So once you have your list of non-negotiables, number two is, what can I automate? What things do I work on that I could do auto-pay? I could have my dry cleaning picked up, or groceries delivered? What can you automate that buys you back time? So that'll buy back a little. Number three, what can you delegate? Are there things I could get a $5-an-hour assistant online, or Fiverr? Or what are some things I could do with a virtual assistant, or with people in my family, or my cousin, or my brother? What can I do to delegate some of these things to buy back some more time? The fourth is the most important. What must you eliminate? What do you have to stop doing? If going out with your girlfriends, have a couple of drinks,

• 36:27Speaker 02

  and all of a sudden, you realize you wasted three hours of your time, and you really didn't accomplish much, maybe you gotta spend the next three months without that. The last time you got on your phone and said, "I'm gonna surf for a minute," and you're on for an hour, maybe you gotta stop that. Last time you binged on Netflix, maybe you gotta stop that. And you see why the purpose is so important, because you need something bigger to go, "Screw Netflix right now. The hell with this. I'm not gonna do this." So you need to know what you can eliminate. And the easiest way to say to eliminate is, "Does this serve the woman or the man I want to become?" Or, "Does it not serve the man or the woman I want to become?" If it doesn't, you gotta cut it. There's no gray. You gotta get rid of the gray. Gray is for people who are stuck and they drift their whole life. So, the heck with the gray. If you really could say, "These are non-negotiable. I'm gonna automate these few things. I'm gonna delegate some of this. I'm gonna quit doing this," guess what?

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Three or four, five hours a week open up. You spend those three, four, or five hours a week on your new project and obsess on it. Sacrifice today. Miss a few things today. Say no today to other people, because then, in a year or five years now, you could say yes to friggin' everything. And then start working on the new thing. When the new thing replaces the old thing, there you go.

• 37:34Speaker 01

  Really, really smart advice. And I have to say that I did that as well. I remember for four years, I didn't watch any TV. I didn't even post on Instagram. I focused on LinkedIn for my job and my podcast. I didn't really go out much on the weekends. I just sacrificed. But then, four years later, I'm able to manage my schedule. I do whatever I want. It can be temporary sacrifice. It doesn't have to be forever.

• 37:57Speaker 02

  And if you're in a career you hate, that's a lifelong sacrifice. I'd rather sacrifice hard for four years to live 60 in a really abundant way.

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• 40:39Hala Taha?

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• 41:24Hala Taha?

  What kind of a roadmap should we have?

• 41:26Speaker 02

  First off, I would think of what are some of the things people come to you for? If you put it in buckets, number one is a lot of us have a career skill. Even if we're in a career we don't like, you've learned something that at one point you didn't know, and now you do, whether that's sales, or accounting, or it's human resources, or it's helping people with their mental philosophy, it's being leader, a leader in your company. Even though you might not like it in your company, when you have the opportunity to turn that into a product and you inspire others, it becomes so rewarding and fulfilling. So I would think, what is your core competency or a unique ability you have in a skill? Or in your business? That's number one. Number two, we have so many clients that have taken a life experience.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  We have people who have gone through divorce, and they found a way to do a child-centered divorce, and now they have hundreds of thousands of members helping with divorce. We got amazing women helping women through menopause naturally, or trimester four, they call it, after your baby's born, or just I went, people turned vegan and got rid of all their ailments, and now they're teaching people to go vegan. That is life experience. And sometimes, hear me on this one, sometimes your mess is your best message. I went through a horrible breakup, and now I'm a stronger person today than I ever was. I'm going to help people who are just starting out with their breakup. And so many times, people say to me, well, I'm not all the way through yet. I got this from Jenna Kutcher.

• 42:49Hala Taha?

  She's in my network, Jenna Kutcher.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, Jenna became a dear friend, and Jenna said, well, people got to realize, sometimes your best time to share is when you're in the messy middle, because you're in the thick of it, but you're still one chapter ahead of someone else. So if you're a chapter ahead, even though you're in the messy middle, you can help bring people along with you on the ride. And then the last one is something you're extremely passionate about. I just used my partner, Tony Robbins, as an example. He found out years ago how so many people were getting ripped off in their 401Ks and their IRAs. And he got pissed and it became a passion and he studied it. He's not the finance guy. He's Tony's the best strategist and business coach, but not the finance guy. But he studied it obsessively. Then he interviewed the best guys in the world and he wrote the book Money Master the Game.

• 43:32Speaker 02

  It's still the number one investing book of our generation. And he's not the guy. He became the reporter of other people because he was passionate about it. So you either have a career skill, a life experience or something you're passionate about that someone else is starting off on day one. And that's the way I would start looking at it. And then of course, how to package it, how to deliver, how to find people who want it. That's what we do so well, but that's how I would start.

• 43:57Speaker 01

  So one question, just to kind of piggyback on it, you just sort of mentioned it. Is how do you know if you have a product that people actually want? Because as you're talking about these personal experiences, skills that you have, it's really interesting because I never would have thought of menopause as something that you can teach, but it's so smart because so many women are going through this. There's probably very little information out there. And even if you're not a gynecologist or something, you might have an experience to share to teach other people that people would actually want and pay for. And there's a large market. How do you know that you have a big enough market for what you're trying to sell?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  We actually teach the smaller the niche, the better.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Because this thing in our pocket has us connected to the whole world. We only need one tenth of one tenth of one percent of people that have our M as long as we can find them. For example, we had an accountant. You think, what would an accountant teach? When he was 50, he decided to create his own accounting firm. He worked for somebody else. He started his own business, started doing great and he realized, wow, I was stuck as an accountant. I hated it for 30 years. So he created, he doesn't just teach people how to be a better accountant. He teaches young accountants how to transfer into their own business quicker so they can live a fulfilled life. So he doesn't say, "I'll teach you how to do your taxes better. I'll teach you how to use a certain spreadsheet."

• 45:16Speaker 02

  He's like, "No, no, no, I don't want you to waste 30 years like I did. Let me teach you, young hustler accountants, how to get your own firm quicker." Sometimes you think, "Well, I'm good at sales." "Well, what kind of sales? And do you want to help women in sales? Do you want to help women over 50 in sales? Do you want to help young people learn how to get their first sale?" When I first started in real estate, I didn't own strip malls. I didn't own multifamily. I was really good at just getting into my first single-family home. And then my second, then my third. So I taught real estate. I had the number one real estate education training in the world. Nothing even close. And all I said, all my training was, "If you're thinking about getting into real estate, let me show you how to get into your first one." Not how to do a million flips, not how to make a million bucks a month, not how to do multifamily.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  And because our world is so connected, that company, you know, was one of the biggest in the world in that space because I found a niche. So we actually teach people to go smaller. I mean, we've had people doing art classes on how to paint with wolves. I always remember that one. I was like, "Wait, what was that?" She has baby wolves and she teaches you to paint outside because you have the paint that's relaxing, but you have a wolf laying next to you that's the energy of a wolf. And she felt the combo was great. That's not my jam. I would never do that. But she sells out her events every month. It's just because right now we are in contact with so many people. We can find our tiny niche and that tiny niche could still be a million people.

• 46:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I know that the more niche you are, the more that you can charge because you're solving a very, very specific problem.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Right. And the confidence goes up. I've always said, the woman who teaches menopause. I just remember, it was like, wow, I just, I would never think of something like that. And I remember being on with her in one of my Zoom calls. And I said, "Your confidence goes up when you're in a room of people that need exactly what you need to share." So if I said, "Hey, in the next room, we have a mastermind room. If it's 100 people next to me," I'm like, "If there was 100 people in there and I said, 'Hey, there's some men, there's some women in different ages. Could you go teach about menopause?'" You'd be like, "No, that's embarrassing. I'm not going out there." And then if I said, "Okay, no men. It's just all women." Could you go teach? Like, no, because there's young girls. They don't even know what that means. They don't know what it feels like. I said, okay, now there's 100 women in there between 42 and 50.

• 47:33Speaker 02

  They're going through menopause. They feel like they're going crazy. They feel like their husband or their partner doesn't love them anymore. They have night sweats and they feel uncomfortable. Would you go talk to them? She goes, yes, I'm a warrior for them. Let me go help them. I like, you open up the shirt, your cape is on. You want to go help these women. So the smaller the niche, the more your confidence goes up because you have the breakthroughs for them. Right where people think I gotta help women. No, what women, what group, what transition? That's where our world's at.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. And to your point, competence breeds confidence, right? So if you're super focused on one specific problem and you become the go-to person for it, your confidence is going to go up too.

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 48:13Speaker 01

  Okay, so one last question. Let's talk about AI because you're talking about how the game has changed. How has AI changed the game? How do you think entrepreneurs are going to use AI? How do you use AI? I'd love to know.

• 48:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I think, again, one of those things, most of you listening have probably already used it. But how do you sharpen the axe? How do you sharpen the tool to use it even more? And we know if you ask the right question, you get the right answer. But what I see and what, for example, what Tony and I are doing. We've created an AI and we spent the last year working on it that thinks like Tony and I. We've taken our knowledge, our experience. How do we do million person events? How do we do our marketing? How do we write our emails? How do we get people to show up? How do we identify what our asset is? And how do we lay out a course or lay out a coaching program or lay out a podcast or lay out a in-person workshop or an in-person mastermind? And we took our years of experience. Like, I say this and I know you guys get it. But if someone would have told me or any of us 10 years ago that this would have been really,

• 49:08Speaker 02

  you'd be like, no way. But it's here. So for example, where I see the niches, where it's going to really transform is instead of it just being general help. What Tony and I are creating, just as an example, is how do you think like Tony and Dean when it comes to being in this industry? How do I lay out my course? What are the six topics I should teach on menopause? Or teaching people how to do podcasts? Or teaching people how to sell? What would you name the product? What would you price the product? What would be the headline? What would be the first page? What is the pictures? All of those things, when it thinks like Tony and I, it gives us the answers in seconds. Even six years ago, when we used to teach this, it was probably two or three months to get through all that. You know, who's my ideal client? Who should I be targeting? What kind of message do 40 to 60-year-old women need to get to say yes?

• 49:52Speaker 02

  All of that comes out and it thinks like us. It's like having me in your pocket, then I got 30 years of doing this. I never would have thought that existed. And sometimes people think it's difficult, when really done right, it's simplicity on the other side of complexity. Right? It's a complex. I could never imagine how AI works. But I know if I ask it the right question, the simplicity is it gives me an answer that just saved me a month's of time in research. So it is gonna change the game and those that understand how to utilize it are gonna be out in front. Tony and I have been saying, we were just on the phone last night talking about it. And I said, when you understand this, this allows you to have an unfair advantage. It really does. It allows you to be one step ahead. And those of you who are gonna ignore it, unfortunately, are gonna be two steps behind.

• 50:36Speaker 02

  I know that sounds harsh, but it's just a reality. And this is the time to embrace it. Don't stick your head in the sand. Don't think it's gonna go away. The game has truly changed forever. You might as well get the new game plan.

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, AI is something that we're heavily focused on. How can we use it? Cause to your point, everyone's gonna be using it and be like light years ahead of us if we don't figure out how we're gonna leverage AI for ourselves.

• 50:59Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 51:00Speaker 01

  All right. So this has been such an incredible conversation. So Dean, two last questions that I end all my shows with, and it doesn't have to be about today's topic. You can go wherever you wanna go. What is one actionable piece of advice that our young improfitters can do today to become more profitable tomorrow?

• 51:16Speaker 02

  I'm gonna go back to what I already shared with you. I would today make a list of all the things you do on a weekly basis, and I would get rid of the things that don't serve the man or the woman you want to become. Sacrifice a little today so you can have just an abundant life forever.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Great advice. And what is your secret to profiting in life?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Money without fulfillment is the emptiest thing in the world. So work on you as much as you work on your business. Jim Rohn, an old personal development trainer, is the one that got Tony Robbins in this world. He said, "For things to get better, we have to get better." And I think if you just work on the money part, you might miss the most important part of love, family, connection, children, if that's what you so choose. Don't sacrifice one for the other because the fact of the matter is if you have more joy in the journey of entrepreneurship, you will get there faster.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  And where can everybody learn more about you and everything that you do?

• 52:08Speaker 02

  I would say just, you can find me on Instagram at @deangraziosi.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  Awesome. We'll stick all of your links in the show notes, Dean. Thank you so much for your time today.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Oh, this is amazing. Take care, everybody.