Pod Insights Wolf & Owl with Romesh Ranganathan and Tom Davis Pablo Escobart, Pigs and Massages About this episode When will people stop sending unsolicited d*ck pics? Will AI help us to really talk to animals? And what animal would Tom most like to talk to? What do Tom and Rom do to relax? And has Tom actually taken Romesh’s sleep advice?
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00:00 Intro01:33 Tom’s DMs03:39 Vegan dilemma08:52 Pablo Escobart10:18 Burn out17:52 Play safe
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Transcript 0:16 Speaker 00 Hello and welcome to The Wolf and Owl.
0:19 Speaker 01 Hi there, I'm the Owl.
0:22 Speaker 00 And I'm the Wolf, and this is an email bonanza.
0:25 Speaker 01 What we like to do is get some of your emails from people that like the show and support the show and what we do. And we try and spread a little bit of cheer and advice and, look, we're not experts, nobody's saying we're experts, but we we'll do what we can to give you a little bit of, of advice.
0:43 Speaker 00 This episode is sponsored by Baby Bell, premier cheese for fussy children. I just, I know we're not sponsored by Baby Bell.
0:50 Speaker 01 Does Little G like Baby Bell?
0:51 Speaker 00 She loves them. Yeah, she does. I like them to be fair.
0:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I used to like, in my pre-Veigs days.
0:57 Speaker 00 Yeah.
0:57 Speaker 01 If I was a kid, I used to love just getting all the wax together and making all.
1:01 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, big wax bogey.
1:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, well, yeah, I'm not, no, but you're just sort of.
1:05 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, they're nice if you wrap a burger around, mince around it, a burger.
1:10 Speaker 01 Round a Baby Bell?
1:11 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:12 Speaker 01 Does it melt?
1:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
1:13 Speaker 01 Baby Bells melt?
1:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
1:14 Speaker 01 I didn't know that.
1:15 Speaker 00 Well, they're kind of softer.
1:16 Speaker 01 Okay, fine, so they don't melt.
1:17 Speaker 00 Yeah, there's a lot, yeah, there's plastic in there, so they don't melt.
1:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21 Speaker 00 Sorry Baby Bell about that, obviously sponsoring the podcast.
1:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, but you are, but Tom does think you're toxic. Okay. Uh, let's have a look at question, uh, email one. Would you like me to read it or do you want to read it?
1:31 Speaker 00 I think you should read it, Ramesh.
1:33 Speaker 01 "Hi Wolf and Owl, I was listening to your pod episode where you talk about the possibility of one day smashing a rack of ribs. Life goals, and then pondered French kissing Tom after he'd eaten some to get that meaty hit." Fucking, what do we talk about on this thing?
1:50 Speaker 01 God.
1:52 Speaker 01 Imagine if this was the first time you're listening to this. So they talked about smashing a rack of ribs and then tongue kissing each other.
2:00 Speaker 00 There's been a lot of that. Can I say by the way, I mean, I don't want to, because this is then we'll talk about the next. My, the, the level of messages I'm getting now about um having a homosexual awakening is insane. Some of the voice notes and some of the messages I'm getting is, I mean, I'm very, very complimented, but some are taking it.
2:19 Speaker 01 Well, some people, a lot of men want to smash you, right?
2:22 Speaker 00 It's become quite extreme.
2:23 Speaker 01 Well, they want you to smash them.
2:24 Speaker 00 Yeah. So there's actually been some video footage and pictures.
2:28 Speaker 01 Have, have you been sent dick pics?
2:30 Speaker 00 Yeah. And other sorts of pics, yeah.
2:33 Speaker 01 What do you mean other asshole pics?
2:34 Speaker 00 Yeah. That one's from down looking up.
2:38 Speaker 01 Like a, oh my god, really?
2:40 Speaker 00 Yeah. Yeah, like.
2:43 Speaker 01 And did you reply?
2:44 Speaker 00 No. No, I'm like, yeah, I'm complimented, but I'm not, I don't, I'm like, by the way, I'm now staying out of that, that folder.
2:53 Speaker 01 Why?
2:53 Speaker 00 Cause it.
2:55 Speaker 01 Cause you can't be sitting around the house with a hard on.
2:57 Speaker 00 I can't be on the tube with one.
2:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
2:59 Speaker 00 That's what I, I opened one the other day, I was on the train, I was like, what's this?
3:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:02 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, no, because the actual caption went, um unlucky west, you know, sad to see West Ham go down.
3:09 Speaker 01 I'll tell you who else will go down.
3:10 Speaker 00 No, genuinely, I opened a picture and it was a picture of a dick.
3:15 Speaker 00 Like, basically, this will put a smile on your face.
3:18 Speaker 01 Did it?
3:19 Speaker 00 Well, yeah, it was a nice looking baby.
3:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, there you go.
3:22 Speaker 00 Yeah, it was a decent looking date.
3:23 Speaker 01 Some of them are nicer than others, aren't they?
3:24 Speaker 00 Yeah, of course, yeah, yeah.
3:27 Speaker 01 Um, anyway, um, I mean, if you're worried when I. Fucking hell.
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5:07 Speaker 01 Okay. I have a question related to this quandary. I've posed the same question to lots of my vegan-veggie omnivore friends.
5:14 Speaker 00 What's an omnivore?
5:16 Speaker 01 Meat and... You're an omnivore.
5:17 Speaker 00 What does that mean?
5:18 Speaker 01 You eat like meat and vegetables. Vegetables, it doesn't happen to me though.
5:22 Speaker 00 Vegetables.
5:25 Speaker 01 And I've yet to receive a definitive answer. In fact, it's kept me awake at night. Can a vegan morally suck off a meat eater to completion?
5:33 Speaker 00 I don't think, can I say by the way, a French kiss feels like a bit different than.
5:38 Speaker 01 My husband says absolutely you can, but then he would say that, wouldn't he? And he's from a bluzzer. And if one is on the, what the fuck is going on? And, and if one is on the cards, he would agree to absolutely anything. Anyway, surely a meat eater's love juice would contain meat traces, wouldn't it? But can I just say, the way you're phrasing this is absolutely dreadful. You can taste things like pineapple juice, chocolate and asparagus after all.
6:04 Speaker 00 Can you?
6:05 Speaker 01 I don't know, pineapple makes it sweeter, doesn't it? It did the last time I tried. Please can you put my question out there to your listeners and indeed to yourselves? Thanks for keeping me sane and making me smile while my husband is away. Uh, he's just been deployed with the British Army overseas to do important man shit. He truly our sweet, sweet souls. Thank you for everything you do. Much love from the knackered Kodiak bear. Um. What, sorry, what exactly is, oh yeah, so can a vegan suck off a?
6:30 Speaker 01 Is jizz vegan, I guess is the question.
6:32 Speaker 00 I don't think it is, no. I mean, I think if you've got a highly carnivorous diet, then it's obviously in you, isn't it? You know what I mean?
6:42 Speaker 00 I mean, I, I, I.
6:43 Speaker 01 I mean, look, i- i- i- so if you're a vegan, you can only suck off vegans, is that the point?
6:49 Speaker 00 Well, I, I mean, I guess it's how disciplined you are. Cause Lisa obviously eats meat.
6:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, and I suck her off all the time. What's your point?
7:04 Speaker 00 That's what I mean.
7:06 Speaker 01 Um.
7:09 Speaker 01 I, I, okay, this is actually quite an interesting, weirdly, I mean, I don't, the, the road into it was pretty.
7:16 Speaker 00 It was a stormy old road, yeah, yeah.
7:18 Speaker 01 But I actually think, I actually think it's an interesting point raised.
7:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
7:22 Speaker 01 The, the, the, the issue that vegans have is that these, these creatures have not consented to have their.
7:30 Speaker 00 Yeah.
7:31 Speaker 01 Right, so if you eat a pig.
7:33 Speaker 00 Yeah.
7:34 Speaker 01 You know, the pig has not consented to having its flesh being in et cetera, et cetera. Like, but if there was some world in which a pig could like. I know this sounds mad, but if a pig said, have my, if a pig was able to go, you can have my leg, I'm only gonna grow it back. Then I think.
7:49 Speaker 00 That doesn't happen, does it? With pigs? I'm saying.
7:52 Speaker 01 You asking me if a talking pig says?
7:54 Speaker 00 No, I'm just saying pigs don't grow their, you know, because some animals grow their bits back.
7:58 Speaker 01 No, no, no, no, no, it doesn't happen.
8:00 Speaker 00 Can I say by the way, they reckon A I within five years will be able to talk to animals.
8:05 Speaker 01 How?
8:05 Speaker 00 They're gonna somehow work out a way that.
8:07 Speaker 01 The language or whatever.
8:08 Speaker 00 That can converse.
8:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:09 Speaker 00 So you, you won't, they won't have a full conversation. It won't, won't be like, hello rubbish, how are you today, mate? It'll be like, he'll be able to converse whether he's happy or sad or, you know. You sort of get a thing of that because obviously, but actually pigs are really intelligent.
8:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, they are.
8:24 Speaker 00 Yeah. You could actually probably have a really good chat with a pig.
8:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think you could.
8:31 Speaker 01 I think you might end up having a chat with a pig and it walks away. But, but when the meat eater's eating it.
8:40 Speaker 00 Yeah.
8:41 Speaker 01 I think they've, they've done the damn, that's done then.
8:45 Speaker 00 Yeah.
8:45 Speaker 01 The transaction is done.
8:46 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:47 Speaker 01 So when the vegan fellates them.
8:51 Speaker 00 Yeah.
8:51 Speaker 01 I don't think there's an issue, that I think it's fine.
8:54 Speaker 00 I do, I do, yeah. I don't think, yeah. I think otherwise you, vegans would have to stick to vegans.
8:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, oh, yeah, otherwise we're not, how are we gonna complete our experiment?
9:02 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, that's.
9:04 Speaker 01 What do you think?
9:05 Speaker 00 I think exactly the same. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say by the way, that was, that was quite a, um, a testing.
9:11 Speaker 01 I, I have not, and by the way, I know we talked about kissing and now I'm gonna say something even worse.
9:16 Speaker 00 What?
9:16 Speaker 01 I'm intrigued in how what you eat affects the taste of your jizz.
9:19 Speaker 00 But you can try that yourself.
9:22 Speaker 01 I'm not gonna, what, what am I doing? Eating something jizzing?
9:26 Speaker 00 Yeah, but when I give it a couple of hours, it goes through your body.
9:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, I know that. I'm not gonna do it, I'm not gonna wank as I'm eating pineapple.
9:35 Speaker 00 No, but yeah, I'm just saying that, yeah, you could do, you haven't got to like enlist loads of people to do that.
9:40 Speaker 01 No, no, I get that, I get that.
9:41 Speaker 00 You can do that yourself.
9:42 Speaker 01 But I think if you were doing that, can we just talk about the?
9:45 Speaker 00 Lisa, come and have a toast, this.
9:48 Speaker 01 Sweeter? Sour? Um, but you don't wanna put it into a cup or something, then it's gonna get cold, isn't it?
9:57 Speaker 00 It's not porridge, you've got to eat it while it's hot.
9:59 Speaker 01 I do think it's best served warm, would be my guess. Or at least body temperature.
10:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah.
10:05 Speaker 01 Anyway, we've managed to make it more disgusting in the initial email. Thank you so much, knackered Kodiak bear.
10:10 Speaker 00 Yeah, thank you, yeah.
10:14 Speaker 00 Hi Wolf, out and swan. On my way on a family holiday to Rhodes this week. And using my time wisely to catch up on episodes.
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11:20 Speaker 00 The wolf are now, while I'm sitting by the pool. Enjoy those cocktails, friend. Imagine my surprise, walking around Lindos, turning a corner and seeing Rom. I attached a photo so you can see what I mean. I'd be after an image right as if I were you. All the best, the sea turtle. Okay.
11:37 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm assuming this is going to be some logo with some guy with a beard and glasses, let's have a look.
11:44 Speaker 00 Pablo Escobar.
11:50 Speaker 00 Oh, it's quite a funny T-shirt.
11:52 Speaker 01 Now, I've actually been sent this before.
11:53 Speaker 00 Really?
11:54 Speaker 01 So, do you know when I had my hair longer and had just the tash?
11:58 Speaker 00 I mean, literally, you had that exact look.
12:00 Speaker 01 That is, it's not even a piss take. That is exactly how I look.
12:03 Speaker 00 No. And it's also got that startled look that you do.
12:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:08 Speaker 00 That is, that's, I hope that person got that T-shirt. We should get you that T-shirt to wear.
12:14 Speaker 01 Have we had enough fun with Banter Cannon One?
12:17 Speaker 00 That would be a sick T-shirt. Um.
12:20 Speaker 01 Well, thank you so much.
12:21 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's, that's lovely.
12:22 Speaker 01 Did you buy it?
12:23 Speaker 00 I hope they brought a T-shirt. If you did, send us a picture of you wearing a T-shirt, dude, saying Zany, like, down in a shot or something.
12:29 Speaker 01 Send it, because it's not, I don't have to look at it anymore, so.
12:31 Speaker 00 Jumping in the pool.
12:33 Speaker 01 Uh, thank you so much for your email.
12:35 Speaker 00 Thank you, that's lovely, thank you.
12:35 Speaker 01 Really nice, okay. Uh, here's the next one. Hello, Wolf Owl Animal Pack. Thanks for the advice around imposter syndrome back in episode eighteen, it really helped. I've now slipped to the other end of the spectrum, so this is a previous.
12:48 Speaker 00 Yeah.
12:49 Speaker 01 I've now slipped on to the other end of the spectrum, burnout. I raised two hundred and fifty thousand pounds for local community improvements and been offered multiple roles outside my day job, and I can never seem to switch off. Okay, this email seems like a bit of a flex so far.
13:01 Speaker 00 Yeah, but can I say what an incredible human being.
13:04 Speaker 01 Yes, absolutely. Uh, so the key question is, how do you two relax? I struggle to chill out without Mary Jane or Crispy Pint, which clearly are unhealthy habits. Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Big love, J L R.
13:17 Speaker 00 By the way, can I just have so much admiration for people who sign off from an email with their initials like that? It's what presidents do, isn't it?
13:27 Speaker 01 Uh, well, I think what's happened there is it starts with J and you've thought of JFK, and that's why you've said it.
13:32 Speaker 00 No, no.
13:33 Speaker 01 I don't think presidents, DJT does it, doesn't he?
13:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, Donald Trump.
13:37 Speaker 01 Donald Trump, didn't he sign something, like he made his signature into a pair of boobies or something? Boobies, I can't remember if it's boobies.
13:42 Speaker 00 Jesus Christ, that is the, oh, didn't he make his signature into a pair of boobies? He might even do a pair of boobies, mate. Anyway, go on. Fair, Alex, come here. Look, go to Nerdis Beach, see some boobies. Get some boobies. Hey, Ray.
14:02 Speaker 01 Fuck!
14:04 Speaker 00 You know what Pavlov Escobar likes? Boobies.
14:09 Speaker 01 Why did I say boobies?
14:13 Speaker 00 Boobies. Oh my god. I tell you what, merch wise, we need the Pablo Escobar t-shirt.
14:24 Speaker 01 Fuck.
14:25 Speaker 00 Just the Escobar t-shirt, a big grin on his face with boobies underneath. Um.
14:33 Speaker 01 Shit.
14:34 Speaker 00 Anyway.
14:35 Speaker 01 Uh, how do you relax? Hmm?
14:38 Speaker 00 I don't think I, I do not, I, I don't think I relax enough. I would say that.
14:44 Speaker 00 I like, as an actual constant, like, I can't remember the last time I sat and didn't sit worrying or thinking or I wasn't, you know. I, I went, you know, I went away okay for Catherine a little while ago and we had a nice, really nice two days away.
14:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:00 Speaker 00 Three days, actually, three days away. And I did, it was the first time I switched off. Lake Como.
15:04 Speaker 01 Lovely.
15:05 Speaker 00 And I switched off and I managed to just spend that time with her chilling, just being together.
15:10 Speaker 01 Hmm.
15:10 Speaker 00 Um, and actually, that was, that was, you know, just being with Catherine, I was like, this is nice. I, I think when, when I'm with Grace, I, I tend, but then with, we're just being, I don't know about, we talked about it in the last episode. As a parent, I don't think you ever, you can't, can't switch off.
15:25 Speaker 01 Hmm.
15:25 Speaker 00 You're constantly, there's an air of tension in you because you're so worried. The anxiety and fear is in you. So, um. I, I do, I will actually, do you know one thing, actually, and I took, I was very, um. I took the mick out of you a little bit about the meditation.
15:40 Speaker 01 Hmm.
15:41 Speaker 00 I've, I took your advice and started doing meditation before bed. It's, it, it's changed, that and some lavender on my feet.
15:48 Speaker 01 Beautiful.
15:49 Speaker 00 Has completely changed the game.
15:50 Speaker 01 Great.
15:51 Speaker 00 I had a holistic, um, massage the other day by one of the most fine men I've ever met in my life. He was incredible. He was an upstanding young man, thirty one, um, really incredible guy.
16:04 Speaker 01 How do you know his age?
16:05 Speaker 00 Cause I chatted to him through the, I, I went, I went in there and I was like, uh, listen, man, I'm, I'm, I'm shattered, I'm, you know. I might just end up falling asleep. He was like, he was like, bro, you just do what you gotta do. And I'm like, cool, okay. I lay there, lay face down. He starts going to work and I went, oh, you got a gift. You got a gift. And I was like.
16:25 Speaker 01 This sounds really horrible.
16:27 Speaker 00 Uh, not as horrible as boobies, but, uh. So I was like, so we start chatting and he's had like, he was such an incredible human being. Talked for the whole message an hour. By the way, he, he was like, the amount of stress you're carrying on your right shoulder. He said, that's where we pack all our stress in his right shoulder. He did so much work on it. Just walked away going, thank you very much.
16:49 Speaker 01 There you go.
16:49 Speaker 00 Yeah.
16:50 Speaker 01 Um.
16:51 Speaker 00 But I felt chilled then.
16:53 Speaker 01 I think. I've managed to.
16:57 Speaker 00 You chill out looking at boobies, right?
17:00 Speaker 00 Why's that got to make, he's just chilling out, son.
17:04 Speaker 01 Lisa, I can't get to sleep. You know what I need to see.
17:09 Speaker 01 Um, I actually think part of the problem is, is not, uh, compartmentalizing your day. So I think one of the things that people make the mistake of doing is first thing in the morning, start, they, uh, like look on Instagram or
17:19 Speaker 00 Yeah.
17:20 Speaker 01 Start thinking about work or whatever straight away. Actually, you know what I've started doing? I know this sounds a bit like wanky, new agey or whatever, but wake, get up. For, I mean, first of all, one of the things I started doing is exercising or getting outside as soon as I wake up pretty much. But before that, sitting on your bed, couple of deep breaths before you start looking at anything.
17:38 Speaker 00 This isn't my thing, by the way. Someone was telling me about the thing of like, you've got to take those breaths. A lot of heart attacks are caused by just getting up and getting on with it.
17:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah.
17:45 Speaker 00 I see, taking a moment, yeah.
17:46 Speaker 01 Just like a little bit of like, not engaging with what your day is straight away and just having a bit of that helps. And at the end of the day, just, um, having a bit of, like, actually, you get, I think it's helpful to go, at this point of the day, I'm not going to be thinking about work anymore.
18:04 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:04 Speaker 01 Right? That, that is done.
18:07 Speaker 01 And then you just, you, you go, I'm gonna, you know, you can work as hard as you want during the day and at this point, you're no longer thinking about it. And then you spend the last hour or so, or two hours or whatever, doing like, watching TV or reading or whatever, not scrolling.
18:21 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:21 Speaker 01 And actually getting yourself into, uh, just chilling out. And I, I, I think people, I, I do feel like we're guilty of feeling like we have to be doing something every minute of every day. And, and, and like, look, you know, there, there's this whole fucking, uh. Jake Humphrey kind of school of like.
18:38 Speaker 00 You can't think what the guy used to do. Football sort of.
18:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, that guy. Have you seen, do you follow him on Instagram?
18:44 Speaker 00 Yeah, I do. Yeah.
18:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:45 Speaker 00 By the way, can I say Denzel Washington said it, said it better. Just reposted Denzel Washington quote.
18:52 Speaker 01 But he's like, but it's the whole culture of like going. You've got to come up with a vision board for your day. You've got to achieve all these things. And then you've got to like fucking like. You know, doing all this shit every moment of every day. I think we just need to let go of that shit. Do you know what I mean? Do what you've got to do. Do your job. It's amazing what you've done. And then stop. And actually, you should make your next development area being able to do nothing or do read or something else. Because. It's not, it's not a healthy thing to be thinking about that shit or, or analyzing. Whether you're making the most of your time every minute of every day. It's so boring. Just it's shit.
19:27 Speaker 00 What does Jake Humphrey's doing out of from those Instagram videos?
19:29 Speaker 01 Uh.
19:30 Speaker 00 High performance.
19:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, high performance podcast.
19:32 Speaker 00 Have you done that podcast?
19:33 Speaker 01 No.
19:34 Speaker 00 No.
19:34 Speaker 01 I think they only invite high performers.
19:36 Speaker 00 Yeah, yeah, me and you.
19:38 Speaker 01 So two people that got lucky on a blag. I don't think he's gonna want.
19:41 Speaker 00 No, no, maybe we should do a low performance podcast.
19:43 Speaker 01 I wouldn't mind that. Accidental performance.
19:45 Speaker 00 Yeah.
19:46 Speaker 01 Yeah. Uh, anyway, thanks for your email. Good luck.
19:52 Speaker 01 Honestly, honestly, sorry, before you get into this. This boobies thing, man, I'm not.
19:55 Speaker 00 Mate, it's a runner. It's a runner. I've looked at John, I already, we already know there's gonna be boobies t-shirts.
20:01 Speaker 01 Uh, have we got time for one more? Yeah. Okay.
20:03 Speaker 00 The boobies t-shirts for the summer. Summer, summertime, time to look for boobies and unwind.
20:11 Speaker 01 What? Sorry, I'm just reading the, that is very funny by the way, but I'm just reading the beginning of this next email. What the fuck is going on with this episode?
20:18 Speaker 00 Oh, Jesus.
20:20 Speaker 01 Okay, do you wanna read it?
20:21 Speaker 00 Yeah. This is, hi, Rom and Tom. I was listening to your recent episode about the wolf wanking off a stranger in a pub. I felt it was pertinent to email in. I'm a man in my late thirties. I've recently become more emotionally familiar with the idea that I may be bisexual, finding guys more attractive as time goes on. I've never knowingly repressed any of these feelings, only that these feelings have arisen later on in life. I've talked to some of my close mates, all of whom think it's a great idea, and I say, give it a go. Although I'm getting closer and closer to a possible sexual encounter with a man, I find myself terrified at the thought of regretting it. Possibly due to nearly four decades of social conditioning, or worse still, backing out of it and making them feel rejected or awkward.
21:05 Speaker 00 I've been a prolific shagger over the years and I'm concerned, maybe I feel this way just because I wanna try something different. Like if I'd been an MMA world champ and now I'm moving into boxing for more of a challenge. We all saw how that went for Francis Ngano when he fought Tyson Fury.
21:22 Speaker 01 I mean, if you'd give me a million guesses about where this was gonna go.
21:25 Speaker 00 Can I say, but Francis Ngano had an incredible fight against Tyson Fury.
21:28 Speaker 01 And I would fuck Francis Ngano in a heartbeat, by the way.
21:33 Speaker 01 Anyway, go on.
21:33 Speaker 00 I'd love to hear your thoughts around this, the baffled bear.
21:38 Speaker 00 Peter, well, we've got with the bear as well as the name. So Pierce, you're both an inspiration for how you openly talk about your self doubt and mental health. Big up yourself, big boys. Um, wow, it's, it's, can I say that in, we've been doing this podcast for six years?
21:52 Speaker 01 Hmm.
21:53 Speaker 00 I've never, the Pandora's box we've opened with this.
21:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:56 Speaker 00 This stuff is, yeah, um. Right, I, you know what, I think you should go and do it. I think you go and do it. I think you, you, you feel like you're open minded and you wanna try new things and I think you'll live to regret if you don't.
22:10 Speaker 01 Sure, yeah.
22:11 Speaker 00 I mean, how did, you're still thinking about the boobies thing, aren't you?
22:13 Speaker 01 No, I'm just wondering, like, when he started saying, um, as I'm getting closer to a sexual encounter, I started thinking about, that must be incredibly nerve wracking. Like, think about.
22:23 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
22:23 Speaker 01 If you've only been with the opposite sex your whole life.
22:26 Speaker 00 Also, it's like your first ever kiss, right? How terrible, or first time you made love.
22:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:30 Speaker 00 Yeah.
22:31 Speaker 01 Well, I remember it like it was just before Theo was conceived.
22:39 Speaker 00 I I think it's, yeah, I I I think there's an element of, can I say, because I think that the element of men in this situation rather than women is quite awkward. I think women are a lot more, certainly when I was growing up, women were like, I had girl mates who would turn around and went, oh, last night, we were, yeah, they messed around kissing.
22:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure Lisa's fucking snogging a woman right now as we speak.
23:01 Speaker 00 That's when I saw in in Soho, in the Cursin, she was very much, yeah.
23:06 Speaker 01 Um, I wonder if I would think about like, maybe someone you know quite well, are they, if someone you know quite well, who's also feeling the same way, maybe.
23:16 Speaker 00 I don't think so.
23:17 Speaker 01 Why?
23:18 Speaker 00 Because if one of you's into it more than the other one.
23:20 Speaker 01 No, you just go, this is just an evening experimentation.
23:23 Speaker 00 No, no, no, no, no, no. I think that's an awful idea.
23:26 Speaker 01 Like, maybe after they've done a podcast record or something.
23:28 Speaker 00 I see what you're getting at.
23:29 Speaker 01 No, no, I'm being serious. You don't think that's a good idea? Why?
23:32 Speaker 00 I think I think it puts an air of like.
23:34 Speaker 01 Sure. Okay. So what's your suggestion?
23:36 Speaker 00 I think you you you meet someone either online or you go to a bar and you just and you're quite open about how you who you are.
23:42 Speaker 01 Well, that was the other thing I was gonna say, just be honest.
23:44 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm I'm, I I've never done this before.
23:47 Speaker 01 Hmm.
23:47 Speaker 00 I'm quite nervous, you know, and and just be completely honest with the whole thing, very much like from what I remember of the.
23:54 Speaker 01 Our role play.
23:54 Speaker 00 Yeah, the role play.
23:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:56 Speaker 00 Jumping in on that vibe.
23:57 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:58 Speaker 00 I think earnest is everything, you know, and it might just be sort of a gentle bit of pashing out or or just, you know, you might go the whole way. You know, don't put any labels or or limits or and, you know, just be like, you know, this is what it is and just go with it.
24:12 Speaker 01 But whatever you do, play safe.
24:14 Speaker 00 Yeah, be safe, be safe.
24:16 Speaker 01 Uh.
24:17 Speaker 00 Durex or any other condom.
24:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay. Um, and also, yeah.
24:23 Speaker 00 Johnny's, we should actually have Wolf and I condoms. Hey, why don't you grab yourself a Wolf and I Johnny before you dive into a situation you might not be ready for.
24:32 Speaker 01 Do you think this conflicts with the Baby Bell sponsorship?
24:35 Speaker 00 Yeah, maybe, yeah.
24:37 Speaker 01 Um, okay, well, uh, that is all we've got time for on this particularly lurid.
24:42 Speaker 00 This should probably have come with a age war.
24:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you so much for listening to all the wanking and the boobies and the.
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