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Andrew Santino sits down with musician, performer, and all-around chaos generator Oliver Tree for a completely unpredictable conversation about music, identity, and committing to the bit at the highest level.
They talk about Oliver’s new album, the evolution of his larger-than-life persona, and how blending comedy and music has helped him build one of the most unique careers in entertainment. This episode goes from thoughtful to ridiculous fast and never really comes back.
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In this episode:• The creative process behind Oliver’s latest album• Building a character vs being yourself• Santino and Oliver talk fame, performance, and internet culture• Why going all-in is the only strategy that works
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2:09 Speaker 00 What is that?
2:09 Andrew Santino? That's a popper's talking dude.
2:11 Speaker 00 Uh oh.
2:11 Andrew Santino? We're back.
2:13 Speaker 00 You're a big whippets guy.
2:14 Andrew Santino? Whippets, dude, I used to love whippets.
2:15 Speaker 00 Dude, you look like a whippets guy.
2:16 Andrew Santino? I was a whippets guy dude.
2:18 Speaker 00 I definitely get that vibe from you.
2:20 Andrew Santino? I used to love them. Loved them.
2:22 Speaker 00 Big whippets guy myself. I stopped though.
2:25 Andrew Santino? Why?
2:26 Speaker 00 Oh, a few weeks ago.
2:27 Andrew Santino? Oh, you did?
2:28 Speaker 00 Yeah. Well, I was... I mean, not clean entirely. Still do... Microdosing on the mushrooms, but sober besides that.
2:36 Andrew Santino? Wait, you're microdosing mushrooms?
2:38 Speaker 00 Yeah, not right now.
2:39 Andrew Santino? Well, how, how many days a week do you do it then?
2:40 Speaker 00 I do it about six or seven.
2:42 Andrew Santino? Six or seven days a week?
2:43 Speaker 00 But not during business hours.
2:44 Andrew Santino? This is business hours?
2:45 Speaker 00 Yeah. No, I only do it once every two to three weeks.
2:53 Andrew Santino? I'm doing beautiful mind math.
2:55 Speaker 00 Well, it depends. If it's a business day, I skip holidays. And then I do...
3:00 Andrew Santino? Which holidays though?
3:01 Speaker 00 Uh...
3:02 Andrew Santino? Jewish holidays?
3:04 Speaker 00 No, we do it on the Jewish holidays.
3:05 Andrew Santino? You do, yeah.
3:06 Speaker 00 Yeah.
3:07 Andrew Santino? You don't respect the Sabbath.
3:07 Speaker 00 Mostly just the government mandated holidays.
3:09 Andrew Santino? Anything where the post office is closed, you'll do it?
3:12 Speaker 00 Yeah. Ideally, those are the best days.
3:16 Speaker 00 But yeah, I used to love whippets, man. It's great when you take a lot of drugs and then you do the whippets and... You lose kind of touch with reality and you start going in and out of different time zones.
3:28 Andrew Santino? Hmm. What time zone have you gone to that you like the most?
3:31 Speaker 00 I don't know, I never really remember. The whippets, they just make you blackout at a certain point.
3:35 Andrew Santino? Yeah, it's not good for you.
3:36 Speaker 00 First time I did whippets though, I broke my arm. Mountain biking in Whistler and I broke this bone, the humerus, the biggest bone in the body. And I, I went over my handlebars, crashed last run of the last day of the last part of the trip. Fall, break my humerus and then, um... Insane, bro, they picked me up in this big truck, like, it was in the middle of, you know, the snow time, summer slopes, Whistler, B.C., British Canada.
4:04 Andrew Santino? British Columbia.
4:06 Speaker 00 British Canada?
4:07 Andrew Santino? But British Canada, sorry, you're right.
4:08 Speaker 00 I was in British Canada.
4:09 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
4:10 Speaker 00 Uh, B.C. And, bro, the guy, he's like... "There's forty-two thousand pounds in this thing, go to town." He gave me a whole tank. And I was like sixteen at the time, fifteen. So I'm huffing on this thing. And eventually, you know, cause anytime you take it, the pain goes away. It's pretty effective for broken bones. I don't know if you've ever experimented.
4:33 Andrew Santino? Whippets are good for broken bones.
4:34 Speaker 00 Very good.
4:35 Andrew Santino? Wow.
4:35 Speaker 00 So I'm taking it, cause anytime the pain comes back, you just start huffing on this thing. Go to town, next thing I know, everything is pink and blue, slow motion. It was quite a trip.
4:47 Andrew Santino? And what did you get out of it?
4:48 Speaker 00 Uh, well, actually, this is crazy. So I got very ill afterwards. So for three days, and I'm sure they gave me some other drugs at the hospital. But for three days, so I, I, I had to take suppositories because I couldn't keep anything down. This is the only time in my life I ever had to, um, by not choice. Take it by choice, but not, this was for not choice.
5:07 Andrew Santino? Yeah, it was forced.
5:08 Speaker 00 Forced.
5:08 Andrew Santino? Mandatory, dude.
5:09 Speaker 00 So I threw up on the airplane.
5:11 Andrew Santino? Got it.
5:11 Speaker 00 On the train.
5:12 Andrew Santino? Yup.
5:12 Speaker 00 And on the bus. It was just puking.
5:14 Andrew Santino? That's your planes, trains, and automobiles. So just puking on every form of public transportation. That's amazing.
5:18 Speaker 00 It was amazing.
5:19 Andrew Santino? You were yacked out. And that's why you're so skinny. You lost all that weight.
5:22 Speaker 00 No, I've been getting fat.
5:23 Andrew Santino? You were four hundred pounds when I met you, dude.
5:25 Speaker 00 No, dude, I was like three fifty, three seventy-five.
5:27 Andrew Santino? Three seventy-five?
5:27 Speaker 00 Yeah.
5:28 Andrew Santino? Wait, what do you mean? You're still skinny. You think you got bigger?
5:30 Speaker 00 I've been getting chunky. I, so I did In-N-Out yesterday, Taco Bell the day before. I've been going big or going home.
5:35 Andrew Santino? What's your Taco Bell order?
5:36 Speaker 00 Uh, okay, so bean and cheese burrito.
5:38 Andrew Santino? Got it.
5:38 Speaker 00 No onions.
5:40 Andrew Santino? Okay.
5:40 Speaker 00 But sometimes I add the extra hot sauce or extra cheese in there or something so that they have to make a fresh one.
5:46 Andrew Santino? Oh.
5:47 Speaker 00 So I learned that recently.
5:48 Andrew Santino? Smart.
5:49 Speaker 00 But it's been getting me even fatter. Cause I do it with all my, my items. Yeah.
5:53 Andrew Santino? So bean and cheese?
5:54 Speaker 00 Bean and cheese, no onions. Uh, then I do the, uh, nachos supreme with the, it's a nacho taco.
6:01 Andrew Santino? Oh, yeah.
6:02 Speaker 00 The Doritos.
6:02 Andrew Santino? Yeah, the Doritos Los Tacos?
6:04 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:04 Andrew Santino? You better believe I get those.
6:05 Speaker 00 Yeah.
6:05 Andrew Santino? I love those.
6:06 Speaker 00 And then I get a chalupa. And then just for old times sake, I get, uh, the little chips and, uh, cheese dip. That's for my childhood. And, um, and then I get a Baja Blast. Yeah, what about you? What's your order?
6:18 Andrew Santino? Strong order, dude.
6:19 Speaker 00 Stop. You say that to every guest.
6:21 Andrew Santino? No, I don't.
6:22 Speaker 00 They're your favorite guests and they have a strong Taco Bell order.
6:24 Andrew Santino? Strong order.
6:25 Speaker 00 What's your order?
6:26 Andrew Santino? Three cheese and gerdita crunches.
6:28 Speaker 00 Wow.
6:28 Andrew Santino? Two Doritos Los Tacos.
6:29 Speaker 00 Wow.
6:30 Andrew Santino? No tomato.
6:32 Speaker 00 Wait, because you're a gerd.
6:34 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
6:34 Speaker 00 Acid reflux.
6:35 Andrew Santino? Yeah, acid reflux. I can't have it. No raw tomatoes. Cooked tomato, fine.
6:40 Speaker 00 Right.
6:40 Andrew Santino? Raw tomato?
6:40 Speaker 00 Well, because you're Italian, right?
6:42 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
6:42 Speaker 00 You're Irish Italian?
6:43 Andrew Santino? Yeah, Irish and Italian.
6:44 Speaker 00 Are you Irish Italian?
6:45 Andrew Santino? Yeah, I'm Irish and Italian. So what I can do is I can have stewed tomatoes, sun dried tomatoes. But I can't have none of them raw tomatoes. I don't like that stuff.
6:56 Speaker 00 Is it because you don't like it or because of the acid reflux?
6:58 Andrew Santino? Acid reflux, yeah, I'm an old white guy, yeah.
7:00 Speaker 00 You get it bad?
7:00 Andrew Santino? I'll get it so bad. I'll be in the middle of the night going.
7:04 Speaker 00 Wait, you're pretty gassy?
7:05 Andrew Santino? Gassy boy, dude.
7:06 Speaker 00 Me too.
7:07 Andrew Santino? That's what my wife says, gassy boy.
7:08 Speaker 00 Yeah.
7:09 Andrew Santino? She goes, alright, gassy boy, take your butt down to the bathroom, gassy boy.
7:13 Speaker 00 Wait, is she from Jamaica?
7:14 Andrew Santino? Yeah. Born and raised, gassy boy.
7:16 Speaker 00 That's crazy.
7:17 Andrew Santino? Yeah. Well, you don't think I, you don't think I can go to Jamaica?
7:20 Speaker 00 No, I, I thought you could do whatever you put your mind to. You're a guy who has very powerful heart and soul. I think whatever you put your mind to, no problem.
7:27 Andrew Santino? Yeah, I mean, she fell in love with me. Uh, I was on the island and uh.
7:31 Speaker 00 What island?
7:32 Andrew Santino? Jamaica.
7:33 Speaker 00 Really?
7:33 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
7:34 Speaker 00 Have you been?
7:34 Andrew Santino? No.
7:36 Speaker 00 You'd love it.
7:36 Andrew Santino? I do wanna go.
7:37 Speaker 00 It's crazy. It's another world out there, man.
7:40 Andrew Santino? I'm, I'm gonna go, I'm going to Dominican Republic soon. That's gonna be fun, going down to the DR. I don't know, dude. I, I genuinely don't know.
7:47 Speaker 00 You should go to Haiti.
7:49 Andrew Santino? Haiti?
7:49 Speaker 00 Yeah. Good time to go. Stuff is cheap there right now.
7:53 Andrew Santino? What about Mexico? Should I go?
7:54 Speaker 00 Love it. Big fucking fan of Mexico, bro. I've been over twenty times.
7:58 Andrew Santino? Little dangerous right now.
7:59 Speaker 00 Hmm, depends. Puerto Vallarta, definitely more rough. I've been there too. Beautiful place, but maybe not this moment. Wait for things to chill.
8:06 Andrew Santino? Okay.
8:07 Speaker 00 Mexico City is top five cities in the entire world.
8:09 Andrew Santino? City is phenomenal.
8:10 Speaker 00 Phenomenal. Some of the best food you'll ever find.
8:12 Andrew Santino? And some of the prettiest women.
8:15 Speaker 00 Can't say that, you're married now.
8:16 Andrew Santino? I can still see pretty people.
8:17 Speaker 00 Can't say that.
8:18 Andrew Santino? You're a beautiful man. Can I not say that you're a beautiful man?
8:20 Speaker 00 Stop. You say that to all your guests.
8:22 Andrew Santino? I do, actually. We have said that the last five guests in a row.
8:25 Speaker 00 Well, thank you.
8:25 Andrew Santino? Name me a place that I need to go to, that you went to that changed your life around the world.
8:30 Speaker 00 There's so many. I mean, easy ones to go to as far as top five.
8:34 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
8:35 Speaker 00 Antarctica.
8:36 Andrew Santino? You went. How long were you there?
8:37 Speaker 00 Twice. About to go back for my third time.
8:40 Andrew Santino? Whoa.
8:41 Speaker 00 Uh, I, you go there for about ten days.
8:43 Andrew Santino? What are you doing up there, dude? Or down there?
8:46 Speaker 00 Okay, so the first time, though, I stayed for an extended period of time. So I did.
8:50 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
8:51 Speaker 00 A long, long.
8:53 Andrew Santino? Stay?
8:54 Speaker 00 Yes.
8:55 Andrew Santino? And you were doing research?
8:56 Speaker 00 Research? I play some concerts, um, on the tour boats.
9:00 Andrew Santino? Got you.
9:00 Speaker 00 So, I do, I've done six sets so far.
9:04 Andrew Santino? Wow.
9:04 Speaker 00 So, some performance DJing with some singing, ambient sets as well. I do it for the yoga.
9:10 Andrew Santino? Ah.
9:11 Speaker 00 Yeah, we did, uh, there was a shaman there and we, actually it was with my parents and we, we call it hippie flipping. We did mushrooms and ecstasy.
9:19 Andrew Santino? Hippie flipping. What's candy flipping? Is that acid?
9:21 Speaker 00 Candy flipping is acid and ecstasy.
9:23 Andrew Santino? Yeah, that's fun too.
9:24 Speaker 00 I used to be a big fan of that.
9:25 Andrew Santino? Yeah, high school.
9:25 Speaker 00 But I stopped. I haven't done acid since my Burning Man trip.
9:29 Andrew Santino? When was that? Last year?
9:30 Speaker 00 That was 2016.
9:32 Andrew Santino? Oh, 2016?
9:32 Speaker 00 No, I was 17. So that was a long time ago.
9:36 Andrew Santino? Long time ago, dude.
9:37 Speaker 00 Yeah, I'm 42 now.
9:38 Andrew Santino? No, you're not.
9:39 Speaker 00 How old are you?
9:40 Andrew Santino? Forty-two.
9:41 Speaker 00 Shut the front door. Are you actually?
9:43 Andrew Santino? I am. How old am I? Forty-two. Forty-two.
9:45 Speaker 00 No fucking way. We're both 42. This is so crazy.
9:49 Andrew Santino? But what's the big difference between you and I? We're both 42, but you?
9:51 Speaker 00 But you?
9:52 Andrew Santino? But you?
9:53 Speaker 00 Get the three cheesy cornedita crunches.
9:55 Andrew Santino? That's right, dude, like a big boy and you just get bean and cheese. No, I yon. And then what I do is?
10:01 Speaker 00 Are you French now?
10:02 Andrew Santino? Yeah, no, I yon.
10:03 Speaker 00 Okay, wait, what were you gonna say?
10:05 Andrew Santino? What I do when I'm done with Taco Bell?
10:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
10:08 Andrew Santino? When I'm done ordering?
10:09 Speaker 00 Yeah.
10:09 Andrew Santino? Because I don't want my wife to get mad at me because I got, because she doesn't like that I have junk food sometimes at night when I come home from shows. So I eat it in the car. I pull over somewhere in a nice little park and I eat it in the car like a little fat boy.
10:20 Speaker 00 Yep, my grandpa used to do that.
10:21 Andrew Santino? Eat it like a little fat sad boy in the car and I listen to some tunes that I like. I usually listen to-
10:25 Speaker 00 What kind of tunes you play?
10:26 Andrew Santino? Heavy metal. I always like-
10:27 Speaker 00 No shit?
10:27 Andrew Santino? When I have Taco Bell?
10:28 Speaker 00 What kind of shit?
10:28 Andrew Santino? Metal, dude. Megadeth?
10:30 Speaker 00 Megadeth. I didn't take you as a Megadeth.
10:32 Andrew Santino? Only when I'm eating Taco Bell.
10:34 Speaker 00 Really?
10:34 Andrew Santino? I just went like-
10:39 Speaker 00 I love that shit.
10:40 Andrew Santino? And then, but then when I'm done with Taco Bell, I throw it away and then it's only classical music on the way home.
10:45 Speaker 00 I love that. So my whole experience of making music is based on a memory from my childhood, eating at Taco Bell with my father.
10:53 Andrew Santino? No way.
10:53 Speaker 00 And there was a song, I can't remember the name of the song or what it was, but my entire experience making music is trying to recreate that feeling, that song that I heard in Taco Bell, because it's a very warm, happy place for me.
11:04 Andrew Santino? You and your pop?
11:04 Speaker 00 Comfort food. Me and pops. Going there, mom doesn't know, not allowed. My mom's a hippie, right?
11:10 Andrew Santino? She doesn't like that kind of crap.
11:11 Speaker 00 She does not allow it. I remember one time I went to a Rite Aid, I thought I was cool because I wasn't in the- Organic health food store.
11:17 Andrew Santino? Because you lived in that when you were a kid.
11:19 Speaker 00 That was my whole life. That's all I knew.
11:21 Andrew Santino? And you, and your dad did this, he would sneak you out.
11:23 Speaker 00 He was a bad dad.
11:24 Andrew Santino? He was a bad boy.
11:24 Speaker 00 Take me to Burger King, Taco Bell.
11:27 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
11:28 Speaker 00 Made me an addict for life, dog.
11:29 Andrew Santino? That's a cool dad.
11:30 Speaker 00 That's one cool dude.
11:31 Andrew Santino? Your dad is the man.
11:32 Speaker 00 He's the fucking man.
11:33 Andrew Santino? Because he was like, you know what? I'm gonna have a moment with my son, we're gonna share something private and cool, and it's just for us.
11:40 Speaker 00 Just for us.
11:40 Andrew Santino? And you're not doing anything wrong, you're just...
11:42 Speaker 00 Well...
11:43 Andrew Santino? I mean, mom wouldn't like it, but you're not hurting anybody.
11:45 Speaker 00 No, the only problem is now I'm hooked.
11:48 Andrew Santino? Yeah, we are all hooked.
11:48 Speaker 00 I can't stop.
11:49 Andrew Santino? You can't stop, dude.
11:51 Speaker 00 I don't wanna stop.
11:52 Andrew Santino? Yeah, but that influenced your music career, and by the way, easy transition, but I do wanna plug it. You got an album.
11:58 Speaker 00 Stop.
11:59 Andrew Santino? April 24th.
12:00 Speaker 00 Is that when it's coming out?
12:01 Andrew Santino? That's when it's coming out, man.
12:02 Speaker 00 Bro, you know before me, where are you getting this information?
12:08 Speaker 00 Cause I didn't even know that, I don't know where you're getting this info.
12:10 Andrew Santino? I'm tuned in, dog. Up here, I'm tuned in.
12:13 Speaker 00 I thought it was the 21st, so that's crazy.
12:14 Andrew Santino? Nope, better not be. Better not be.
12:16 Speaker 00 You're probably right, I have no idea.
12:18 Andrew Santino? Cause we're throwing you a huge party. When, when is that party?
12:20 Speaker 00 Wait, you're gonna, you're gonna be there?
12:21 Andrew Santino? April 24th is what it says. Is it the 21st?
12:23 Speaker 00 No, no, you're probably right, I have no idea. What, does that fall on a Friday?
12:27 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
12:27 Speaker 00 Then you're right.
12:29 Andrew Santino? Totally.
12:30 Speaker 00 That's amazing, man.
12:31 Andrew Santino? I'd be really bummed out, because we, yeah.
12:32 Speaker 00 What's the album's name?
12:36 Andrew Santino? Love You Madly? Hate You Deeply?
12:39 Speaker 00 Hate You Badly.
12:39 Andrew Santino? Hate You Badly. Love You Madly, Hate You Badly. I was right there. Love You Madly, Hate You Badly.
12:46 Speaker 00 Yeah.
12:46 Andrew Santino? And that's based on a moment in your, in your life that happened?
12:48 Speaker 00 That's based on...
12:49 Andrew Santino? Something that someone said to you.
12:51 Speaker 00 Well, not just someone. A certain someone by the name of Bobby Lee.
12:56 Andrew Santino? You wanna squash this beef, or do you wanna keep it moving?
12:58 Speaker 00 I don't know if, if now's the right time.
13:01 Andrew Santino? For people that don't know, you should go back and watch Bad Friends. When OT came on Bad Friends, and I gotta tell ya, a war was started in a weird way. You didn't start it.
13:12 Speaker 00 I didn't do shit.
13:13 Andrew Santino? I, I'll tell you what.
13:14 Speaker 00 I never, ever do anything.
13:16 Andrew Santino? Bobby Lee started it. He's always the instigator. And he's been...
13:23 Andrew Santino? He's been talking a lot of shit about you and I don't really like it. Cause he knows that we're cool and he's like, "I don't like that dude, I don't want him around."
13:30 Speaker 00 He's honestly just bad vibes.
13:32 Andrew Santino? He's bad, bad vibes.
13:34 Speaker 00 Like, he's like, he's sober, right?
13:36 Andrew Santino? So they say, right?
13:37 Speaker 00 He claims.
13:38 Andrew Santino? Yeah, he claims.
13:39 Speaker 00 Something's off. I can't put my finger on it. I don't know, maybe he's just such a deep video game addict. That it's destroyed part of his frontal cortex.
13:46 Andrew Santino? Well, this is all gone. A lot of it is just gone. Like, right?
13:50 Speaker 00 There's not much left going on up there.
13:51 Andrew Santino? They tested, I think they did a test on, half of his frontal cortex is, is kind of like, it's gray matter now. Like, nothing's there.
13:58 Speaker 00 And he had a underdeveloped frontal lobe, right?
14:01 Andrew Santino? A hundred percent, yeah.
14:02 Speaker 00 Yeah, you could tell by the shape of his head.
14:04 Andrew Santino? Shape of his head, yeah. Cause it protrudes, right? He has a protrusion.
14:07 Speaker 00 Well, he kinda looks like a Neanderthal. You ever seen that?
14:09 Andrew Santino? A little bit of a Neanderthal.
14:10 Speaker 00 Just kinda like the way that his forehead's shaped.
14:12 Andrew Santino? It's lump, a lot of forward weight. And his jawline too, cause it's folded in and up. So, it talks, it's weird.
14:20 Speaker 00 You sound like a physician where you're gonna, wait, are you like a...
14:23 Andrew Santino? I went to med school, man.
14:24 Speaker 00 Right.
14:24 Andrew Santino? I never graduated.
14:25 Speaker 00 What's his facial rating?
14:27 Andrew Santino? His face rating is, uh, 12, 16, 4. So, a perfect rating, of course, is 10, 12, 8. So, he's off. The 8, the 4 differentials because of his, uh, this is called your, your colaxial. Your colaxial nerve that runs down through here.
14:45 Speaker 00 Right.
14:45 Andrew Santino? His colaxial protrusion is significantly less than what would be considered good-looking. Whatever people say, I don't, as, in medical terms,
14:53 Speaker 00 Right.
14:53 Andrew Santino? we call it, uh, it's called V, it's, well, the tech, it's called VA, meaning visually, uh, uh, uh, applicable. Visually applicable. Visually appealing is kind of the street term.
15:06 Speaker 00 Right, right, right.
15:07 Andrew Santino? But he's not visually appealing. So, people see him, they get scared.
15:10 Speaker 00 It's crazy, cause I knew something was off, but I didn't know how to put it into medical terms.
15:14 Andrew Santino? Well, it's science. Yeah, a lot of it's science, but you, your rating, cause we rated you, we actually pulled it up. You're one, you're one off from being a perfect visual face. Do you know that?
15:23 Speaker 00 You're making this up.
15:23 Andrew Santino? No. We rated you, we had...
15:25 Speaker 00 Is it the nose?
15:26 Andrew Santino? It is, unfortunately, yeah. But everything else was perfect, dude. Everything else was perfect. We ran it through the system. Well, cause look, dude.
15:32 Speaker 00 Oh, god.
15:32 Andrew Santino? Men love you, women love you, and so you kind of are able to dance in any sort of beautiful world.
15:38 Speaker 00 When I was 18. I made the decision. My parents wanted to go against us, but I was old enough to make the decision and I went and I got a nose augmentation.
15:47 Andrew Santino? You got your nose done, wow.
15:48 Speaker 00 No. Bigger.
15:50 Andrew Santino? You wanted it bigger? Whoa, that's cool.
15:55 Speaker 00 Dude, I'm getting fucking calls. I gotta turn this shit off.
15:57 Andrew Santino? No, take the call right now. Take it.
15:59 Speaker 00 I think it's my doctor.
16:00 Andrew Santino? What has he got to say?
16:01 Speaker 00 I got an appointment.
16:02 Andrew Santino? What are we talking?
16:03 Speaker 00 Eight thirty. Dude, I think I got an ulcer.
16:05 Andrew Santino? Where?
16:07 Speaker 00 It's not fucking funny, dude. I was shitting out blood this weekend.
16:10 Andrew Santino? You poop blood?
16:13 Speaker 00 I know.
16:14 Andrew Santino? Two things though.
16:15 Speaker 00 What?
16:15 Andrew Santino? Could be hemorrhoid?
16:17 Speaker 00 No. I've been taking other medicine.
16:19 Andrew Santino? Or have you been eating blood?
16:23 Andrew Santino? Cause if you've been eating blood, you will poop it out. That's something that we did learn.
16:26 Speaker 00 Where did you learn that?
16:28 Andrew Santino? We had to do, we did an experiment where we started eating blood for a week and a half because we wanted to see what it would do.
16:33 Speaker 00 Well, you know what?
16:34 Andrew Santino? Where do we, where, where do we get the blood?
16:36 Speaker 00 It turns black.
16:37 Andrew Santino? Wait, what?
16:38 Speaker 00 Yeah, sometimes. Now it's red. So it's fresh.
16:41 Andrew Santino? You gotta go see the doc.
16:42 Speaker 00 I, I've set it up. It's, dude, the closest they could get me in is in a week. And that's a week just to get an appointment to go do and get another appointment.
16:50 Andrew Santino? To go get another appointment, to go get another appointment, to go get another appointment.
16:53 Speaker 00 It's fucking insane, man. The system is insane.
16:56 Andrew Santino? See, we just do our own experiments. That's why we went and got blood and we started to eat.
16:58 Speaker 00 Where'd you get the blood again?
16:59 Andrew Santino? Del Taco.
17:00 Speaker 00 No fucking way.
17:01 Andrew Santino? Yeah, they have it on the.
17:01 Speaker 00 In the back?
17:02 Andrew Santino? No, they have it on their, on their disc, on their, what is that, dollar menu?
17:04 Speaker 00 You sure it wasn't hot sauce? No wonder you were shitting blood.
17:07 Andrew Santino? Wait, was that hot sauce? Were you lying?
17:10 Speaker 00 It was the red spicy stuff, right?
17:12 Andrew Santino? Yeah, he said it was blood. Is blood not spicy?
17:14 Speaker 00 Blood? No, it's more of a metallic. It tastes like a penny.
17:17 Andrew Santino? How do you know?
17:18 Speaker 00 I, dude, I used to take, I had an ulcer before. I had to take, uh, is it iodine pills? What's the?
17:24 Andrew Santino? Uh, iron? Ida, Ida, iron pills.
17:26 Speaker 00 Iron, bro. I'm, I'm off. I slept like four hours, so my brain's not functioning.
17:30 Andrew Santino? What's wrong with you? Why don't you get any sleep?
17:32 Speaker 00 Bro, I was playing chess till five thirty. I just started playing last week dude, now I'm addicted. I was watching North Korean documentaries while playing chess, bro.
17:43 Andrew Santino? That sounds good.
17:43 Speaker 00 I went up like a hundred points in my rating.
17:46 Andrew Santino? Wait a minute, could you, could you beat someone that's good now? Are you that good? No.
17:51 Speaker 00 I just started last week, man.
17:52 Andrew Santino? So what dude, you could be a savant.
17:54 Speaker 00 I think I might be.
17:55 Andrew Santino? I watched that documentary about that girl who was the Russian chess player. What was that, what was that girl's name? There was just a documentary about her. And she beat like everybody in the world and it made me wanna play chess.
18:05 Speaker 00 Did you play?
18:05 Andrew Santino? No, I don't like it.
18:06 Speaker 00 Bro, it's so addicting, don't start. Don't start.
18:08 Andrew Santino? But you gotta be smart to do it dude, I can't do that.
18:10 Speaker 00 No, no.
18:11 Andrew Santino? Yeah dude.
18:12 Speaker 00 You think so?
18:13 Andrew Santino? Yeah, to make moves, what is it called?
18:15 Speaker 02 Queen of Chess.
18:15 Andrew Santino? Queen of Chess, dude you gotta watch it.
18:17 Speaker 00 Wait, I saw it, Queen's Gambit.
18:18 Andrew Santino? No, that's a TV show dude, but that was good. Queen of Chess?
18:23 Speaker 02 Yeah.
18:23 Speaker 00 It's a documentary?
18:24 Andrew Santino? Yeah, what was her name?
18:25 Speaker 02 By, it's about Hungarian prodigy Judit Polgar.
18:29 Andrew Santino? Yeah, Judit Polgar.
18:31 Speaker 00 I don't know her.
18:31 Andrew Santino? Judit Borgar.
18:33 Speaker 00 I haven't heard of her, but I'll need to check it out.
18:34 Andrew Santino? She's the shit. She's probably one of the greatest chess players to ever walk the earth.
18:38 Speaker 00 Better than Magnus. I'm a big Magnus guy.
18:42 Andrew Santino? You're a Magnus guy?
18:43 Speaker 00 Yeah.
18:44 Andrew Santino? Look, he's one of the best. What about Bobby Fischer? Are you a fish dog?
18:46 Speaker 00 Ah.
18:47 Andrew Santino? You don't like fish?
18:47 Speaker 00 Well, what's his name?
18:49 Andrew Santino? Bobby Fischer.
18:50 Speaker 00 First name?
18:51 Andrew Santino? Robert.
18:52 Speaker 00 Bobby.
18:53 Andrew Santino? Bobby. And you don't like anybody named Bobby?
18:55 Speaker 00 No, it brings me back to a very dark place.
18:57 Andrew Santino? So no one named Robert, Bob or Bobby can get by you?
19:00 Speaker 00 No, cuz I had a falling out too with Logic, whose name is Bobby as well.
19:03 Andrew Santino? Yeah, Bobby, that's his, his name too.
19:04 Speaker 00 We had a big falling out.
19:05 Andrew Santino? What, you did his mov-
19:06 Speaker 00 I acted in his movie. You were supposed to be in it too, no?
19:08 Andrew Santino? I know, we were on the road. I couldn't do it. I was on tour.
19:11 Speaker 00 You big timed him.
19:12 Andrew Santino? Nah dude.
19:13 Speaker 00 Bobby came and he sat in a hotel room, he claimed I gave him fucking monkey pox, it's fucking bullshit. I only had one, there was only one, I think it was just-
19:21 Andrew Santino? It was one notch, I saw, he sent me a photo. But he got really sick dude.
19:25 Speaker 00 Yeah, he looked bad.
19:25 Andrew Santino? His lips got all like swollen and sealed up. I would want-
19:28 Speaker 00 I thought, I, maybe mine was a mosquito bite, I don't, I don't know.
19:31 Andrew Santino? I don't think so dude, it didn't look like it. Did you get it, is it still there?
19:34 Speaker 00 I don't wanna show it.
19:35 Andrew Santino? Okay, don't worry about it. No, that's my long sleeve only. I didn't do Bobby's movie because I was out of town. I was on tour, man. We couldn't do it.
19:41 Speaker 00 Wait, Bobby which? Bobby Lee?
19:43 Andrew Santino? Logical. Logic.
19:45 Speaker 00 Logical?
19:45 Andrew Santino? Logical. Sorry, logic.
19:47 Speaker 00 See, you're thinking in chess terms now.
19:48 Andrew Santino? I know. I want to be logical when I'm talking about moving a pawn. No, I want to do Logic's movie and I couldn't. I was on tour, but, but you had a beef with him because of what happened on set.
19:58 Speaker 00 Yeah, we had a falling out.
19:59 Andrew Santino? It was bad, right?
20:00 Speaker 00 It was really bad. And then he came after me and basically we had an actual falling out because we were both playing Red Rocks and we were both slated to play the same day. So remember last time when I came to Bad Friends, I tried to get Bobby?
20:12 Andrew Santino? Yup.
20:12 Speaker 00 Bobby Lee?
20:13 Andrew Santino? Yup.
20:13 Speaker 00 To open up for me at Red Rocks?
20:15 Andrew Santino? He wouldn't do it.
20:16 Speaker 00 Big time me.
20:17 Andrew Santino? Yeah, I don't like that kind of behavior, man.
20:18 Speaker 00 That, dude, and I was giving him the opportunity of a lifetime. But he plays for what? 10, 20 guys playing the same material?
20:23 Andrew Santino? 30 people.
20:24 Speaker 00 30 people. And he's getting naked every night?
20:26 Andrew Santino? Every night.
20:27 Speaker 00 He still does that?
20:28 Andrew Santino? Every night.
20:28 Speaker 00 How is that legal?
20:30 Andrew Santino? Uh, for, for short-statured Asian men, it is still legal in the United States.
20:34 Speaker 00 I see. So it's a size thing?
20:35 Andrew Santino? It is, 100%.
20:36 Speaker 00 And he's allowed to smoke cigarettes while he does it?
20:39 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
20:39 Speaker 00 Indoors?
20:40 Andrew Santino? Indoors.
20:40 Speaker 00 Because it's part of the act?
20:42 Andrew Santino? Part of his act, yeah.
20:43 Speaker 00 Is that actually legal?
20:44 Andrew Santino? Yeah, it is.
20:44 Speaker 00 What about when there's kids in the audience? Birthday parties, quinceañeras, bar mitzvahs?
20:49 Andrew Santino? Gotta be 18 and over. And he doesn't do quinceañeras anymore.
20:51 Speaker 00 He stopped after the accident?
20:52 Andrew Santino? Yeah, because after the accident, it got bad at the park. It's bad. He fell and it was bad. For people that don't know, Bobby got hurt. He did a quinceañera five to seven years ago, something about that. And they had blindfolded-
21:05 Speaker 00 It was all in the news, too. I saw it.
21:06 Andrew Santino? Well, yeah, it made KTLA. They had, blindfolded a couple of kids. They were swinging at a pinata and one of them took off the blindfold and he said, "Look, they got a human pinata." And they started swinging at Bobby and
21:17 Speaker 00 That was bad.
21:17 Andrew Santino? this kid beat him within an inch of his life.
21:19 Speaker 00 To a pulp, really. I mean, he was-
21:21 Andrew Santino? Well, it was his fault.
21:21 Speaker 00 And dude, the thing is, the crazy part is it actually helped the protrusion.
21:25 Andrew Santino? Oh, yeah. From his coactive, colectical, yeah.
21:27 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:27 Andrew Santino? It did definitely help. But, um, and God bless that young man that, that did that. It wasn't his fault. You know, he didn't know. He didn't know what he was doing. He just saw Bobby.
21:35 Speaker 00 Yeah, because the kid had glasses. He was-
21:37 Andrew Santino? He was legally blind.
21:38 Speaker 00 Yeah.
21:39 Andrew Santino? His right eye was legally blind.
21:40 Speaker 00 Bro, I'm getting texts. I need to-
21:42 Andrew Santino? Call your doctor, dude.
21:43 Speaker 03 In here, we pour whiskey.
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23:01 Speaker 00 This is so fucking stupid, dude. They're not supposed to be texting me.
23:04 Andrew Santino? Why did your doctor text you?
23:06 Speaker 00 That's what I'm saying, bro. I just set up an appointment in the ride.
23:09 Andrew Santino? You did?
23:10 Speaker 00 Riding over here, I'm making calls, bro, like a mogul.
23:12 Andrew Santino? How cool was Red Rocks, by the way?
23:14 Speaker 00 I hate it.
23:14 Andrew Santino? What?
23:15 Speaker 00 Yeah.
23:16 Andrew Santino? Why?
23:16 Speaker 00 Bro, I played it like 3, 4 times now.
23:18 Andrew Santino? Why do you hate it?
23:19 Speaker 00 Bad memories.
23:21 Andrew Santino? Bad memories of what?
23:24 Speaker 00 No one came.
23:26 Andrew Santino? It was empty? Damn, dude.
23:29 Speaker 00 No, there was like 15 people there. But it's like, it's like, I think you can have like 8 and a half, 9,000?
23:36 Andrew Santino? How many people does Red Rocks fit? I wanna say it's gotta be 10,000?
23:40 Speaker 00 Just shy, just shy.
23:41 Andrew Santino? 9,555.
23:44 Speaker 00 See, and that's what I'm saying, bro.
23:45 Andrew Santino? And how many people came?
23:46 Speaker 00 9,525. There was like 25 people there. It felt so weird, bro. It's eerie when it's empty like that.
23:54 Andrew Santino? But you did it again, anyway.
23:57 Speaker 00 Just to see.
23:58 Andrew Santino? Just to see, man. Will you do it again? Yeah, dude, you got it. But next time, you're opening up, dude.
24:06 Speaker 00 I'll do it. We could do with MasterCard. We can get some kinda, dude, brand partnership.
24:10 Andrew Santino? We have a deal.
24:11 Speaker 00 This could be big for both of us.
24:12 Andrew Santino? I think we have a deal with, uh, we have a deal with, uh, Diners Club.
24:14 Speaker 00 Diners Club?
24:15 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
24:15 Speaker 00 Is that like the Big Bear Diner?
24:17 Andrew Santino? Yeah, Big Bear Diner. They have their own credit card system.
24:20 Speaker 00 Really?
24:20 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
24:20 Speaker 00 Wait, are you actually tied to the credit card companies?
24:22 Andrew Santino? We're very tied, we're tied very deep. Well, because McConaughey's in a hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars in debt, we said we would work it off by doing ads.
24:30 Speaker 00 Right.
24:30 Andrew Santino? For Diners Club.
24:31 Speaker 00 That's very kind of you.
24:32 Andrew Santino? We did Amex, we did Visa, we did Discover.
24:36 Speaker 02 MasterCard.
24:37 Andrew Santino? MasterCard, and now we're doing the Diners Club, the Bears, Bears Club, Diners Club.
24:42 Speaker 00 That's so dope.
24:43 Andrew Santino? But we paid off half of it. Which is kinda great.
24:45 Speaker 00 And how long did that take?
24:47 Andrew Santino? Six years, six years, five and a half years. So we have, if we do this for five more years, we'll be able to pay off McConaughey's debt, and most of his debt went to, well, what he spent all the money on was buying flights for himself to go overseas to help, um, victims of, of tragedies. So, we thought they would wash it.
25:06 Speaker 00 Dude, you're a stand-up guy.
25:08 Speaker 02 Thank you.
25:09 Andrew Santino? Yeah, anytime there was anything bad around the world, he'd get on a plane and go over there and help. Anytime, name a time that was bad around the world. Go ahead.
25:18 Speaker 00 World War II.
25:18 Andrew Santino? Oh, guess who was there? McConaughey.
25:21 Speaker 00 You were alive?
25:23 Andrew Santino? Yep. Yep.
25:24 Speaker 00 That's fucking crazy. See, you look younger than you are.
25:28 Andrew Santino? Moisturized, dog. He moisturizes.
25:30 Speaker 02 If you're good, if a good person, you don't age as much.
25:33 Andrew Santino? You don't age if you're a good person. That's what they say. That's why you look super, super young.
25:36 Speaker 00 Stop, stop.
25:37 Andrew Santino? Cause you're a good dude.
25:38 Speaker 00 Well.
25:38 Andrew Santino? And that's why Bobby looks old and haggard.
25:40 Speaker 00 And how old is he? Isn't he like seventy now?
25:43 Andrew Santino? Seventeen or eighteen? How old is Bobby?
25:46 Speaker 02 And no one knows.
25:47 Andrew Santino? Nobody knows.
25:48 Speaker 00 He's gotta be at least seventy or eighty years old.
25:50 Andrew Santino? He's gotta be in his sixties. I think he is. I mean, we don't really talk about it. We don't really know.
25:53 Speaker 00 Right. It's kind of a sensitive topic for him, too.
25:56 Andrew Santino? Yeah, tremendously. Yeah, it is, very much.
25:58 Speaker 00 He's aging horribly.
26:00 Andrew Santino? Some people don't get old well.
26:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:02 Andrew Santino? You know what I mean?
26:03 Speaker 00 He's one of them.
26:04 Andrew Santino? He's the one, I guess, if you looked it up. Who's the most famous blind guy on earth?
26:09 Speaker 00 Stevie Wonder.
26:10 Andrew Santino? Right?
26:11 Speaker 00 Stevie Ray Vaughan?
26:12 Andrew Santino? Stevie Wonder.
26:13 Speaker 00 What's the guy, Ray Charles?
26:15 Andrew Santino? Stevie Ray Charles, Wonder?
26:17 Speaker 00 Ray Charles is blind too, right?
26:18 Andrew Santino? Yeah, but he, is he dead?
26:20 Speaker 00 Uh, yeah. But isn't, didn't they say the whole thing was Stevie Wonder, it was fake?
26:25 Andrew Santino? I don't know, dude.
26:25 Speaker 00 They found out.
26:26 Andrew Santino? Well, let me tell you something. I was at a restaurant not too long ago.
26:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
26:29 Andrew Santino? And someone at our table was not from America.
26:32 Speaker 00 Mm-hmm.
26:33 Andrew Santino? Sweet girl. She didn't really speak English. She was with a friend of ours. And someone at the table goes, "Oh, my God, it's Stevie Wonder." And she turned around and she waved right at him.
26:43 Speaker 00 No fucking way.
26:43 Andrew Santino? I swear to God, that's a true story. She waved right at him, yeah.
26:47 Speaker 00 He was there?
26:48 Andrew Santino? Yeah, at this restaurant we went to. And guess what?
26:49 Speaker 00 What was the spot?
26:51 Andrew Santino? Right here in Hollywood.
26:52 Speaker 00 Jesus, what?
26:54 Andrew Santino? He waved back.
26:55 Speaker 00 He waved back? Are you fucking kidding me?
26:57 Andrew Santino? I think he's a liar.
26:58 Speaker 00 Bro, that's what I'm saying. There was multiple things, because I knew someone who played a concert with them. And he was walking up on the stage and then he said, "Keep walking."
27:07 Andrew Santino? So he's, so he is...
27:08 Speaker 00 He said, "Just pass."
27:09 Andrew Santino? So he's a liar.
27:10 Speaker 00 No, I don't know if he's a liar. I'm not gonna say it.
27:11 Andrew Santino? Okay, so how about this? So he's a seer.
27:13 Speaker 00 Well, here's the thing.
27:15 Andrew Santino? He's a seer, dude.
27:16 Speaker 00 To be considered legally blind, you can still sometimes see shapes. It's not like you're just seeing pitch black.
27:22 Andrew Santino? Some people do see pitch black.
27:23 Speaker 00 Yeah. Do they?
27:25 Andrew Santino? Yes, some people are completely blind.
27:27 Speaker 00 Can we look that up?
27:28 Andrew Santino? Yeah, what are the populations on the earth that's completely blind?
27:29 Speaker 00 Can we confirm that? I don't know if that's true.
27:31 Andrew Santino? Do you have trouble with your vision?
27:32 Speaker 00 I have really bad vision, actually.
27:33 Andrew Santino? What are your numbers?
27:34 Speaker 00 Because I'm getting older. I think, I don't, I haven't done a test, but I need glasses. Like, I'm having trouble reading what even that says on the wall.
27:42 Andrew Santino? What does that say in the yellow? Can you see, can you read that?
27:48 Speaker 00 Is that a Kill Bill poster?
27:50 Andrew Santino? Yeah. Kind of.
27:52 Speaker 00 What is it?
27:53 Andrew Santino? It's a, it's a poster from Kid Super, the designer. Do you know that guy, Kid Super? He's the man. Well, I see what you're rocking. Who's shirt is that?
28:01 Speaker 00 Teddy Fresh.
28:02 Andrew Santino? TF, dude. You're a big Teddy Fresh guy.
28:05 Speaker 00 Always have been.
28:06 Andrew Santino? You live in Teddy Fresh.
28:07 Speaker 00 No, I only, so I stopped buying clothes a long time ago. And I stopped choosing what to wear. I have about four shirts. Two of them are Teddy Fresh.
28:17 Andrew Santino? What are the other two?
28:19 Speaker 00 One I shouldn't say, but I got a communist shirt. It's so hard, bro. I was in Vietnam.
28:25 Andrew Santino? Oh shit.
28:27 Speaker 00 Everywhere you go, full communist symbols everywhere. I just got it because I thought it looked really incredibly aesthetically speaking. I don't consider myself communist in any capacity. I'm a capitalist.
28:39 Andrew Santino? You're a capitalist?
28:40 Speaker 00 For sure.
28:41 Andrew Santino? You love-
28:41 Speaker 00 Through and through, I love cash.
28:43 Andrew Santino? You love cash.
28:43 Speaker 00 But I don't actually care anymore. I've been very much uninterested. I'm semi-retired.
28:49 Andrew Santino? Do you think it's because you've made too much money?
28:50 Speaker 00 I made too much. It was too much at one time.
28:53 Andrew Santino? Right.
28:53 Speaker 00 And then it kept coming.
28:55 Andrew Santino? What was your most successful month financially? Cause I had heard rumors on the internet, and I don't know if this is crazy-
29:01 Speaker 00 What did you hear?
29:02 Andrew Santino? Seventeen million in one month? Are you laughing? Is it more than that? Oh shit.
29:07 Speaker 00 Bro, that's literally that what we do in a week off the merch drops.
29:12 Andrew Santino? Whoa. Whoa. Whoa, seventeen milli a week is what you're making?
29:19 Speaker 00 No, that was at my peak, bro.
29:21 Andrew Santino? Oh, oh, oh, oh.
29:22 Speaker 00 That was at my peak.
29:23 Andrew Santino? But where did all the cash go?
29:28 Speaker 00 I don't really wanna talk about it.
29:31 Andrew Santino? That's fine, man.
29:31 Speaker 00 We did a thing. Are you familiar with Bernie Madoff?
29:36 Andrew Santino? No.
29:37 Speaker 00 So, he's a financial advisor.
29:39 Andrew Santino? What's his name?
29:40 Speaker 00 Bernie?
29:41 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
29:41 Speaker 00 Madoff.
29:42 Andrew Santino? Bernie Madoff.
29:43 Speaker 00 Look him up. It's a pretty famous story.
29:45 Andrew Santino? Bring him a picture for the audience, Joe, if you can, so we can see who it is. Bernie Madoff.
29:49 Speaker 00 So I started working with this through my aunt. She lives in Florida.
29:53 Andrew Santino? Okay.
29:54 Speaker 00 And she connected me to Madoff.
29:56 Andrew Santino? Right.
29:57 Speaker 00 And so, he was doing all my financial advising. And there was a brief stint where-
30:02 Andrew Santino? Oh no, I don't like where this is going.
30:05 Speaker 00 Basically, I just during my pinnacle,
30:09 Speaker 00 we were making close, you know, seventy-two million.
30:14 Andrew Santino? Seventy-two million what?
30:15 Speaker 00 A month.
30:16 Andrew Santino? A month! Wow. Seventy-two million dollars a month you were making.
30:23 Andrew Santino? No, what is the math then? How much is that?
30:25 Speaker 02 Uh, it's 864 million a year.
30:28 Andrew Santino? 864 million a year. You're making 72 million a month.
30:33 Speaker 02 Mm-hmm.
30:34 Andrew Santino? 864 million for the year.
30:38 Andrew Santino? Damn.
30:39 Speaker 00 Yeah, can you just talk? I don't really wanna talk about what happened with Madoff, but I'm getting...
30:44 Andrew Santino? That's fine.
30:44 Speaker 00 I'm getting a little worked up here, but if you wanna just share a little bit about what happened with that situation.
30:50 Speaker 02 I think he went to prison.
30:51 Andrew Santino? He went to jail?
30:52 Speaker 02 Yeah.
30:52 Andrew Santino? For what?
30:54 Speaker 02 Uh, for...
30:55 Andrew Santino? Don't tell me some weirdo shit. What did he do?
30:57 Speaker 02 I think it was just embezzlement or something.
30:59 Andrew Santino? Financial embezzlement? Oh, so you-
31:00 Speaker 02 Oh, no, a big Ponzi scheme, I guess.
31:02 Andrew Santino? Oh, my god, dude. So would you think you-
31:04 Speaker 00 It was all gone.
31:05 Andrew Santino? You lost all your fortune to him?
31:06 Speaker 00 Everything, yeah.
31:08 Andrew Santino? How much did you say?
31:08 Speaker 00 He was using my money to pay off other people.
31:12 Andrew Santino? You know what they say? They say rob and Peter to pay Paul.
31:14 Speaker 02 Mmm.
31:15 Andrew Santino? That's the old phrase.
31:15 Speaker 00 That was the whole fucking scheme. Because he would take money from one person and pay the next and get everyone to make it look like that they're making their money back. But there was some of the bigger fishes, such as myself and some of my associates. And...
31:29 Andrew Santino? So because of Mr. Madoff, you lost 800 million dollars?
31:33 Speaker 02 It says here his Ponzi scheme involved a total fraud of nearly 65 billion.
31:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
31:38 Speaker 02 And the largest from a single anonymous person around 864 million dollars.
31:44 Andrew Santino? You're this anonymous person, dude? I'm... This is a trip. I never knew that.
31:49 Speaker 00 Uh, can we just talk about-
31:50 Andrew Santino? Yeah, no, we can move on. I'm sorry about that.
31:54 Andrew Santino? Well, I don't wanna put your business out there. We can cut that kinda stuff, can't we?
31:58 Speaker 00 You can put it in. I don't give a fuck. It's already... It's water under the bridge. People already know about this.
32:04 Andrew Santino? Damn. I'm sorry, dude.
32:07 Speaker 00 Yeah. No, it's good. It's good.
32:11 Andrew Santino? What's been going on otherwise, man? Is everything good, life-wise? Like, ladies? What's going on with the ladies?
32:15 Speaker 00 Been good, man.
32:18 Andrew Santino? He's disturbed, dude.
32:20 Speaker 00 It's just been a long fucking week, bro.
32:23 Andrew Santino? I know, you haven't been sleeping or nothing.
32:26 Speaker 00 Yeah.
32:27 Andrew Santino? What are you excited about right now?
32:29 Speaker 00 Just chess.
32:30 Andrew Santino? Just chess?
32:31 Speaker 00 Yeah.
32:32 Andrew Santino? Nothing else is entertaining right now?
32:33 Speaker 00 Not really.
32:35 Andrew Santino? I hate to see you like this dude, you seem super upset.
32:37 Speaker 00 No, it's just, I've been kinda going through, I don't really wanna get into it, it's kinda just personal shit. You don't really like to talk about your personal life, right?
32:44 Andrew Santino? Yes, I do, if you wanna share, let's share.
32:47 Speaker 00 What's your wife's mother's maiden name?
32:51 Andrew Santino? Her, my, wait, my, you mean my wife's maiden name, or my wife's mom's maiden name?
32:56 Speaker 00 Wife's mom.
32:57 Andrew Santino? My wife's mom's maiden name is Scalango. Scalango is, uh, it's...
33:06 Andrew Santino? I mean, I don't know, do I have to explain this?
33:07 Speaker 00 Yeah.
33:08 Andrew Santino? You don't know what Scalango is?
33:09 Speaker 00 No.
33:10 Andrew Santino? Scalango is, um...
33:11 Speaker 00 You're making that up.
33:12 Andrew Santino? Scalango?
33:12 Speaker 00 Yeah.
33:13 Andrew Santino? What?
33:14 Speaker 00 It's not even a real word.
33:15 Andrew Santino? It's a last name. Scalango, it means, it means little shoe.
33:20 Speaker 00 Okay.
33:20 Andrew Santino? Scalango, in patois, it means little shoe, Scalango.
33:23 Speaker 00 Wait, so she had a small foot?
33:24 Andrew Santino? Well, one of her foot was clubbed.
33:26 Speaker 00 Really? Was that intentional?
33:29 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
33:35 Speaker 00 Well, you know how they do that, certain places, they put the...
33:38 Andrew Santino? They clubbed her foot.
33:39 Speaker 00 Certain places, they take the, the kid's foot, they put it into a super small shoe.
33:44 Andrew Santino? Yeah, they did that, and they bronzed it.
33:47 Speaker 00 Bronzed the shoe?
33:48 Andrew Santino? Yeah, they bronzed the shoes and they keep them, they played them bronze.
33:50 Speaker 00 You know how they do it with, uh, watermelons? They put them in a shape?
33:54 Andrew Santino? In a square, in a square box.
33:56 Speaker 00 And then it grows, yeah, growing to a square, growing to a...
33:58 Andrew Santino? But you know why someone like you has never been put in a box?
34:00 Speaker 00 Why?
34:01 Andrew Santino? Cause you're not a square dude.
34:02 Speaker 00 Stop. You say that to all the guests.
34:04 Andrew Santino? Do I? No, you're a free-flowing guy. You're one of these people, the reason your name is Oliver Tree...
34:11 Speaker 00 Right.
34:11 Andrew Santino? Is because your brain works like a tree.
34:13 Speaker 00 Well...
34:14 Andrew Santino? It digs deep down into the earth, receives the nutrients it needs from, from society and the earth... And gifts everyone air to breathe, and that air that you make is music.
34:25 Speaker 00 Well, actually, it was gonna be Oliver Twist, but that was taken.
34:29 Andrew Santino? Well, yeah, that's a very famous...
34:30 Speaker 00 That was kinda the origin. You know how I got my name?
34:33 Andrew Santino? Oliver?
34:34 Speaker 00 No. Tree.
34:35 Andrew Santino? Tree?
34:36 Speaker 00 Yeah.
34:36 Andrew Santino? How?
34:40 Speaker 00 So my father.
34:42 Andrew Santino? Great dude Taco Bell dog.
34:43 Speaker 00 Yeah. What's my father's name?
34:45 Andrew Santino? Huh?
34:46 Speaker 00 You know my father's name?
34:49 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
34:50 Speaker 00 Joshua.
34:50 Andrew Santino? Josh. Whoa.
34:52 Speaker 00 Joshua Tree.
34:53 Andrew Santino? Shit.
34:54 Speaker 00 Yeah, he was the guy who initially found, well technically he's the fourth. So Joshua Tree was his father's father.
35:03 Andrew Santino? So Joshua Tree, the area was named after your grand, great grandfather? What?
35:08 Speaker 00 Technically my great great, but my father's great grandfather.
35:12 Andrew Santino? Wow.
35:12 Speaker 00 Yeah. So like, we have ties that go back to the desert, so. Olive Tree.
35:19 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
35:20 Speaker 00 I was the only other kid in the family. Who every year would be given a gift of a tree.
35:27 Andrew Santino? How many trees? So you have a lot of trees?
35:29 Speaker 00 Oh yeah, I have a vineyard.
35:30 Andrew Santino? Wow.
35:31 Speaker 00 Yeah, I, I have olive trees, so if you go to Joshua Tree. And you go near the side near Indio.
35:39 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
35:39 Speaker 00 That's where, so have you seen the part when you're driving through? Have you been?
35:44 Andrew Santino? A bunch.
35:44 Speaker 00 Yeah.
35:45 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
35:45 Speaker 00 Beautiful place.
35:46 Andrew Santino? It's gorgeous.
35:46 Speaker 00 So you know how there's all of the wind turbines?
35:49 Andrew Santino? Oh yeah.
35:49 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's my uncle's.
35:51 Andrew Santino? Your uncle owns all the wind turbines in the desert? Holy crap.
35:55 Speaker 00 Yeah.
35:56 Andrew Santino? And then I, I guess I didn't know you were, I mean, you're kind of like a nepo baby, right? Isn't he? A little bit. Is that offensive?
36:01 Speaker 00 No.
36:02 Andrew Santino? I mean, I didn't know you had the game like that.
36:04 Speaker 00 It's not, I don't, it's not offensive. It's just part of my lineage. It's, it's old money.
36:09 Andrew Santino? It is very old money.
36:10 Speaker 00 So my uncle, he has all of the turbines, right?
36:13 Andrew Santino? All the wind turbines out in the desert are owned by your uncle?
36:15 Speaker 00 Just the ones near Indio.
36:17 Andrew Santino? Okay.
36:18 Speaker 00 On the way to Joshua Tree.
36:18 Andrew Santino? Yeah, that's where they, I feel like they all are.
36:20 Speaker 00 Well, a lot. There's still a lot. We actually have, my family has some in England off the coast. They're actually in the water too. And we have some in Sweden as well. They're in the water. So we have different ones, but these ones are probably our biggest group of, of turbines. So if you actually go about six miles down to the northern side.
36:39 Andrew Santino? Of Indio?
36:40 Speaker 00 Yeah.
36:40 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
36:41 Speaker 00 That's where my olive tree vineyard is.
36:43 Andrew Santino? Can anybody go?
36:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, we sell, we sell olive oil by the pound.
36:49 Andrew Santino? You do?
36:50 Speaker 00 Yeah, and we do coffee as well. Actually, have you, are you familiar with the Indonesian style of coffee where the cats eat it and then they poop out? The coffee beans?
36:58 Andrew Santino? No.
37:00 Speaker 00 Yeah, we started doing that last April.
37:02 Andrew Santino? No, I have heard of that where animals will eat the bean, eat the, like the raw bean and then they'll poop out the coffee bean.
37:08 Speaker 00 Right, because their body can't digest the bean.
37:11 Andrew Santino? Yeah, but it de-shells it, so it gets rid of everything else.
37:14 Speaker 00 Gets rid of all the toxins, covers it and there's obviously.
37:18 Andrew Santino? Okay, so, but yeah, but when it comes out, it has poop on it. What do you do with the poop? You throw, you have to use it for something or throw it?
37:23 Speaker 00 We use it for the fertilization of the olive trees. So it's all full circle. Basically, the entire piece is very sustainable for the environment. That's why we do the wind turbines.
37:34 Andrew Santino? Ah.
37:34 Speaker 00 We actually are doing everything in-house, so we're self-reliant, self-sustainable.
37:40 Andrew Santino? Right.
37:41 Speaker 00 We're self-reliant, we're self-sustainable. We have everything we need. Basically, if the end of the world is coming, the apocalypse, whatever. Bro, we, we have got you covered.
37:49 Andrew Santino? Well, this is a dumb question, but I'm not a smart guy.
37:52 Speaker 00 There's no dumb question.
37:53 Andrew Santino? Well, this is gonna, if you use the poop to fertilize the olive tree, does the olive, olive oil taste like poop?
38:00 Speaker 00 No, it's a spice.
38:01 Andrew Santino? Oh, okay.
38:02 Speaker 00 It's a spicy kind of taste. It doesn't.
38:04 Andrew Santino? Yeah, but they must smell really bad.
38:06 Speaker 00 Well, and that's the reason why my uncle built the turbines in the first place. It actually blows all of the smell, all the scent. Down south to India. So if you look at it, it's actually pointing towards the southern direction, which actually blows it down through the canyon. Over the mountain ways.
38:22 Andrew Santino? So it's designed that way?
38:23 Speaker 00 It was designed. The, the actual setup there was not a valley. We carved that out ourselves. You've seen how they did it in the Panama Canal?
38:32 Andrew Santino? I've seen some of the videos, yeah.
38:33 Speaker 00 Yeah, same setup, same guys, same team. So the French actually tried to do that initially.
38:38 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
38:38 Speaker 00 Didn't work out. Americans came in and we actually finished the Panama Canal. Have you been?
38:43 Andrew Santino? I've been one time, but I didn't know we finished that?
38:45 Speaker 00 Yeah, we did that.
38:46 Andrew Santino? Wow.
38:47 Speaker 00 And it was the same team that actually helped build out, they carved out the Indio Valley.
38:50 Andrew Santino? For your family.
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40:24 Andrew Santino? This may be a dumb question, but...
40:26 Speaker 00 Stop right there. There are no dumb questions.
40:29 Andrew Santino? Well, when your uncle passes, will you get all that land?
40:33 Speaker 00 Presumably. I'm first in the lineage to be able to accept that, but I have to ask my grandfather, Joshua.
40:41 Andrew Santino? Is he still alive?
40:42 Speaker 00 Yeah.
40:43 Andrew Santino? Wow.
40:44 Speaker 00 Yeah, he's, he's still ticking.
40:46 Andrew Santino? I've heard a lot of rumors about family lineages being connected to like, you know, I don't want to say it, but like, the Kennedys.
40:56 Speaker 00 Right.
40:57 Andrew Santino? And also, you know.
41:00 Speaker 00 Rockefeller's?
41:00 Andrew Santino? Some of the Rockefeller's. Like, I don't, I didn't want to say anything. What the Rothschilds, like, your family does have a direct connection to all these people.
41:07 Speaker 00 We do, yeah.
41:08 Andrew Santino? So, there was a rumor. Could be true, could be a lie. McCone remembers.
41:15 Andrew Santino? People always have said that the Statue of Liberty was a gift from France, but apparently...
41:20 Speaker 00 No, well technically, that's where people have it mixed up. So, my family, if you look at the actual lineage of the Joshua trees, okay, we're French, but technically, we're French-Canadian. So, where a lot of people have it mixed up is they think that the French gifted the Statue of Liberty, but it was actually the French-Canadians who gifted it. And it was my grandfather, and it was a team of individuals, a Frenchman. But, do you know Jean Rock?
41:46 Andrew Santino? Was he, he was one of the, he was a king of France?
41:49 Speaker 00 No, he was a mentor of mine.
41:50 Andrew Santino? Oh, Jean Rock.
41:51 Speaker 00 He was my mentor. I worked with him in Antarctica for a long stint.
41:55 Andrew Santino? Oh, wow.
41:55 Speaker 00 You're not familiar?
41:57 Andrew Santino? Unfortunately, no. I mean, I feel a little ignorant, but...
41:58 Speaker 00 You should, you should know.
41:59 Andrew Santino? Really? Jean Rock?
42:01 Speaker 00 Jean Rock.
42:02 Andrew Santino? Jean Rock?
42:02 Speaker 00 Yeah. But anyways, he's, he's French, but he technically is from Canada, so he's a French-Canadian, but in the opposite way.
42:09 Andrew Santino? But he's the one that helped your grandfather bring the Statue of Liberty over?
42:11 Speaker 00 No.
42:12 Andrew Santino? He was just a man that you worked with?
42:13 Speaker 00 Yeah.
42:14 Andrew Santino? Oh. Well, of some of the other, like, big, modern marvels, I would say, you know, they say the World's Fair. And we're all familiar with the World's Fair.
42:23 Speaker 00 Well, and there's been many.
42:24 Andrew Santino? I know, but your family has had a hand. I hate, I'm not trying to blow your spot up. Your family, we've looked it up, has had ties with the World's Fair, every World's Fair.
42:35 Speaker 00 We missed the 1914 because my uncle was training for the Olympics. And then also, there was the 1962, which that one was just because the fees were so outrageous, and there was actually a boycotting, what my family called it. We were boycotting the World's Fair that year.
42:53 Andrew Santino? Wow.
42:53 Speaker 00 Yeah.
42:54 Andrew Santino? I mean, I hate to pry, but I feel like I've known you for a while, but I never knew, like, the depth of your, your family.
43:01 Speaker 00 And that's the thing, I'm so much more than that. I don't like...
43:03 Andrew Santino? You are. I'm not saying you're...
43:04 Speaker 00 I don't like to be kind of like, just talking about my family, because I'm not like, trying to be a nepo baby. I'm not trying to be a clout chaser.
43:11 Andrew Santino? Right.
43:11 Speaker 00 I'm not trying to be like, you know, "Oh yeah, like, my family did this." My, like, I already did enough on my own, standing on my own two feet.
43:18 Andrew Santino? Well, you did everything on your own.
43:19 Speaker 00 And I did it all myself.
43:20 Andrew Santino? Well, like, because you know, there's a bunch of enemies that you have in the music business, and they're all nepo. Oh babies.
43:24 Speaker 00 Dude, and that's the thing, bro. And these guys, bro, they're so, so full of themselves. They don't even write their own music. They don't produce their own beats. My album that I made, Love You Madly, Hate You Badly, I produced entirely by myself.
43:37 Andrew Santino? Not one person helped?
43:38 Speaker 00 Not one fucking person. My engineer, he helped mix it with me. And I recorded all the vocals. But he helped record some of the guitars. But I produced it, engineered most of it myself, mixed it with them.
43:49 Andrew Santino? Wrote every song?
43:50 Speaker 00 Wrote every lyric, every melody, every instrument. I wrote every single thing, played every instrument.
43:54 Andrew Santino? What's the name of the song on the album you liked the most?
43:57 Speaker 00 Um, it kinda comes down between two songs, but right now I'm leaning towards one. It's called Sweet Child of Mine.
44:03 Andrew Santino? Sweet Child of Mine? Okay, what, what, and what's this? Are you a father? I actually don't know that.
44:08 Speaker 00 I don't really like to talk about my personal life. I'm okay with talking about lineage, but I don't like to bring in the family. But I have two sons and a daughter.
44:16 Andrew Santino? Okay.
44:17 Speaker 00 So.
44:17 Andrew Santino? Sweet Child of Mine. About your, about your son or daughter. I don't wanna pry, but that's beautiful. It's a great title.
44:23 Speaker 00 You think so?
44:24 Andrew Santino? Yeah, it's a good song title.
44:28 Andrew Santino? I mean, how many songs have you written that never made it out?
44:31 Speaker 00 Probably close to, I would say at least three, four thousand, probably thirty-five hundred.
44:37 Andrew Santino? Four thousand songs I've never?
44:38 Speaker 00 For sure, for sure.
44:39 Andrew Santino? Wow. And all by you, no other?
44:42 Speaker 00 Just me. I mean, I used to write music with my friends. But I would write every lyric, every melody. That's one thing I always stayed true to.
44:47 Andrew Santino? Sure.
44:48 Speaker 00 But I would let my other friends, like I can play guitar. I've played guitar on my platinum songs. I've played piano on my platinum songs, but someone's better at playing it. Let the motherfucker play, let him ride.
44:57 Andrew Santino? Let him play?
44:58 Speaker 00 Yeah.
44:59 Andrew Santino? And out of all those songs that you've written and, and not put out?
45:02 Speaker 00 Right.
45:03 Andrew Santino? Will they ever have a chance to see the light of day?
45:05 Speaker 00 I highly doubt it.
45:06 Andrew Santino? Right.
45:06 Speaker 00 I highly doubt it. And I actually, you know, I've written something into my will and testament. Which basically explains that when I die. Everything comes out.
45:16 Andrew Santino? Wow.
45:17 Speaker 00 So, yeah.
45:18 Andrew Santino? Why is it a will and testament?
45:21 Speaker 00 Well, that's the thing. So, I don't know if you know this.
45:23 Andrew Santino? I don't.
45:24 Speaker 00 My grandfather, he was a lawyer. So, him and another team of lawyers, I'm not gonna take all the credit for him, but, and this is not on the tree side, by the way. This isn't Joshua Tree, this is on my mom's side.
45:35 Andrew Santino? Oh, your mother's side, yeah.
45:37 Speaker 00 Team of lawyers he worked closely with, he was leading.
45:42 Speaker 00 It was just a name that they used to say amongst each other.
45:47 Speaker 00 It was just a name they would use amongst each other and it just stuck.
45:51 Andrew Santino? You're involved in so many aspects of the business. The one thing that I think I'm most impressed by is all the things you've turned down. Like all of the movies, TV shows, uh, uh, features on other people's albums. I mean, the internet is really aware of this, of how much stuff you've turned down.
46:08 Speaker 00 I mean, a lot of it is public knowledge.
46:10 Andrew Santino? Well, because people get upset that they can't work with you. They'll offer you massive stuff. On the Star is Born on Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga, you were originally commissioned to write the song for Lady Gaga.
46:24 Speaker 00 Well, not originally commissioned. I actually was paid to do it.
46:27 Andrew Santino? Oh, they paid you to do it?
46:28 Speaker 00 Yeah, I got paid in full.
46:29 Andrew Santino? That was original commission then, for Lady Gaga.
46:33 Speaker 00 Yeah.
46:33 Andrew Santino? Wow. And why was-
46:36 Speaker 00 Actually, I know, I wrote some of her earlier stuff. You know Poker Face?
46:40 Andrew Santino? Poker Face, like her, that's one of her like-
46:42 Speaker 00 Rum bum, rum bum.
46:44 Andrew Santino? That's, you wrote that? And you're, wow. But how come you're not credited? Did you not want credit?
46:49 Speaker 00 No, I mean, I'm credited on the backend. It's called ghostwriting. So I worked-
46:54 Andrew Santino? Artists about that.
46:54 Speaker 00 With the same team. We used to do stuff for Drake. We did a bunch of stuff for the Amigos. Yeah, I wrote a lot of songs in the early 2000s that were pretty big as well.
47:03 Andrew Santino? And you choose to not attach yourself to them because of what?
47:05 Speaker 00 It's a vanity thing. I don't really want to be associated with the pop, stardom type of thing. I keep it low key.
47:13 Andrew Santino? But you don't think you're a pop star? You're a pop star?
47:15 Speaker 00 No, no, no, definitely not. I'm I'm low key.
47:19 Andrew Santino? But what do you consider yourself? You're not a pop star?
47:21 Speaker 00 No. No, I don't like to put labels on things. I'm fluid, you know? I'm very open minded and I like all styles, so if you look at my catalog, especially my gold platinum stuff for the Olive Tree Project, which is, you know, in comparison pales in comparison. But you know, the teams I worked with to write those songs, and I was writing primarily as a songwriter, lyricism. With the Lady Gaga stuff, with the Drake stuff, all of that stuff that I did with them. It just doesn't feel the same because it's not truly raw, authentic shit. It's a team of twenty people. But if you look at the splits, I have the lion's share.
47:57 Andrew Santino? You do more than any of those guys.
47:59 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
48:00 Andrew Santino? Because, I mean, you've got-
48:01 Speaker 00 I have upwards sixty-five, seventy percent, some of these, but some of them, it's fifty-two, fifty-three. I always make sure if I'm gonna be brought on as a songwriter, I always take the lion's share. That's one of my only rules.
48:11 Andrew Santino? Well, that makes sense. I mean, look at some of this stuff. Like, this is, you know, Miss You has eight, eight-hundred-million streams.
48:19 Speaker 00 Does it really? I thought it was at a billion by now.
48:21 Andrew Santino? It's not.
48:23 Speaker 00 Well, I think combined, it has like four billion or something, if you look at YouTube-
48:27 Andrew Santino? YouTube and everything.
48:28 Speaker 00 Apple Music-
48:29 Andrew Santino? Right.
48:29 Speaker 00 Deezer, Spotify.
48:32 Andrew Santino? Do you use Wiger?
48:34 Speaker 00 No, I had to stop using it after what came out.
48:37 Andrew Santino? Yeah, but it was a good streaming service for a while.
48:40 Speaker 00 It was, it was pretty good, yeah.
48:42 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
48:42 Speaker 00 But we had to stop using it once we found out about the founder.
48:46 Andrew Santino? Not cool, is the way I'll phrase it. There's one question I have about, and, and, and the oldest album that you have that's available up online right now.
48:53 Speaker 00 Yeah.
48:54 Andrew Santino? There is a song on here, and I'm just curious about this because I feel like you should, where is it? Here we go. Two thousand, there it is. Twenty-sixteen.
49:07 Andrew Santino? Uh, on "When I'm Down," there's a B-side to this single, which is really strange that you put that on the internet.
49:12 Speaker 00 What was it?
49:13 Andrew Santino? Because a lot of people don't do that.
49:14 Speaker 00 What?
49:17 Andrew Santino? So, "When I'm Down," one of his most famous songs, people know.
49:20 Speaker 00 That was the first song I recorded as Oliver Tree and released, and I made it in a walk-in closet, and now it's platinum indie release, no major label, no support, just me and my homie. My friend was fourteen at the time when he produced-
49:32 Andrew Santino? Well, see, how old were you then?
49:35 Speaker 00 I was probably, this was, I was probably thirty.
49:37 Andrew Santino? Right.
49:38 Speaker 00 Thirty-two.
49:39 Andrew Santino? Thirty-two, thirty-three?
49:40 Speaker 00 Thirty-three, maybe.
49:41 Andrew Santino? Because there's a B-side to this and it says, "Give me perks."
49:43 Speaker 00 Right. Well, I was going through a pretty dark time.
49:46 Andrew Santino? So you were addicted to Percocet at the time?
49:48 Speaker 00 I was addicted to perks, oxies, oxycodone. Yeah, we did a lot of that shit. I was a tweaker.
49:54 Andrew Santino? You were a big tweaker then?
49:56 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah, big time.
49:57 Andrew Santino? How did you kick it, the tweaking?
49:59 Speaker 00 Just cold turkey.
50:00 Andrew Santino? You ate cold turkey? Wow.
50:03 Speaker 00 Well, it started two days before Thanksgiving, so we did cold turkey diet, so it's a tryptamine.
50:08 Andrew Santino? Tryptophine?
50:09 Speaker 00 Is it? Tryptamine or tryptophine?
50:11 Andrew Santino? Tryptophine.
50:12 Speaker 00 Yeah, I was fucking on that shit bad, bro. So they use tryptophine.
50:16 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
50:17 Speaker 00 In other types of, how do we say this? Uh, I'm not sure if this will get censored, but other types of replacement drugs.
50:27 Andrew Santino? Oh, oh, oh, synthetics and stuff like that?
50:29 Speaker 00 Synthetics, designer drugs, you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with.
50:34 Andrew Santino? Designer drugs?
50:35 Speaker 00 Yo, yeah.
50:36 Andrew Santino? Like Louis Vuitton and stuff like that?
50:37 Speaker 00 Yeah.
50:38 Andrew Santino? Gucci drugs?
50:39 Speaker 00 Yeah, do you know about the designer stuff? The stuff that's made in laboratory?
50:43 Andrew Santino? Made by designer companies like Gucci and?
50:45 Speaker 00 For sure. They put it on pressed pills. They put their logos. They sell this shit out.
50:48 Andrew Santino? And Gucci makes those pills?
50:50 Speaker 00 Yes. If you look, it's the same factories. They produce not only the original Gucci bags, they produce the counterfeits and then they're on the side. Some of these places are doing pressed pills.
51:01 Andrew Santino? Gosh.
51:02 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:03 Andrew Santino? I mean, I've heard some wild stuff like that, like Apple, the phone, we all have Apple phones.
51:08 Speaker 00 Started as actually an Apple company.
51:10 Andrew Santino? Apple company, an orchard tree company, which I'm sure.
51:13 Speaker 00 He was friends with my grandfather.
51:15 Andrew Santino? Oh, you know them?
51:17 Speaker 00 Well, I don't know them personally, but my grandfather was very close, yes.
51:20 Andrew Santino? Yeah, that's the thing that people don't know is Apple made, was a tree farm company for years. They had Apple orchards.
51:26 Speaker 00 Steve Jobs and Wozniak that actually both grew up on an orchard.
51:30 Andrew Santino? They grew up on.
51:30 Speaker 00 Silicon Valley, Los Cadas, just down the street from where I grew up.
51:34 Andrew Santino? Cause you're Santa Cruz, right?
51:36 Speaker 00 Santa Cruz, which is just over the side of the mountain, highway seventeen. And so my father, he grew up in Los Cadas. He went to Lehigh. And he actually went to high school with Steve Jobs and Wozniak.
51:46 Andrew Santino? Shut up.
51:46 Speaker 00 Yeah.
51:47 Andrew Santino? So this is kind of how this whole thing started?
51:49 Speaker 00 Well, no, because my grandfather actually had his foot and his finger on the pulse of the early onset of Silicon Valley.
51:56 Andrew Santino? It's so funny, people don't really know you the way they think they know you. Like this is, this stuff I feel like you haven't really revealed a lot.
52:03 Speaker 00 I just, I prefer not to because you have to understand, like, there's a time and a place for everything.
52:08 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
52:08 Speaker 00 And like, I'm just trying to be me, you know, and I want to be authentically me. And I want to be Oliver Tree, I don't want to be Joshua Tree.
52:17 Andrew Santino? Well, you're not, you're your own man. I mean, what, like, if you want to be you, what do you scream from the rooftops at night? Who, who is that? What do you say? What do you say?
52:26 Speaker 00 Right.
52:27 Andrew Santino? Ri- oh, right?
52:29 Speaker 00 I'm right.
52:30 Andrew Santino? I'm right.
52:31 Speaker 00 That's what I say. And that's the thing, my grandfather, he was very instrumental with telling the guys.
52:37 Andrew Santino? Telling who?
52:39 Speaker 00 Wozniak specifically, but also Steve. He said to them, "Look, guys, there is an entire future that's gonna take place." He was the precursor, this is precursoring the internet. He, he actually had some ideas that turned and manifested into the early onset of the bubble.
52:57 Andrew Santino? Of the, the Silicon Valley bubble?
52:59 Speaker 00 Yes, the Silicon Valley bubble that bursted in 1986. My grandfather had precursor ideas of all this shit, bro. He had literally written it out, he was literally like a Michelangelo of this shit.
53:10 Andrew Santino? So you think he had some knowledge that other people?
53:12 Speaker 00 Well, no, I mean, he, not think, I know. He actually worked closely with Satoshi.
53:18 Andrew Santino? How did he know him?
53:20 Speaker 00 I can't speak on it.
53:21 Andrew Santino? Alright, I don't want to.
53:22 Speaker 00 But yeah, he was involved with the early onset of Bitcoin.
53:25 Andrew Santino? Holy crap.
53:26 Speaker 00 Yeah. And the reason why Bitcoin crashed?
53:32 Speaker 00 A lot of my family sold, three months ago.
53:35 Andrew Santino? You don't have any coin left?
53:36 Speaker 00 No, I don't have any coin left.
53:38 Andrew Santino? Cause you got rid of it all?
53:39 Speaker 00 It's not insider trading because technically, we manipulate the market as we see fit. And we need to purge some of the market to get it cleansed, get some of the people who are just fair weather fans coming in there.
53:49 Andrew Santino? Well, that's just like cleaning out your fridge. If something's expired, you gotta throw it out. You're not gonna eat it. It's not gonna, why, why leave it in there?
53:55 Speaker 00 You don't, do, you do not leave that shit in there.
53:57 Andrew Santino? That's spoiled, right? You throw it away. It's old milk. So you do, I do get that purging.
54:01 Speaker 00 We do a cleansing and then when, when the market crashes, we buy big.
54:04 Andrew Santino? You have to buy huge.
54:06 Speaker 00 Every time. We buy more, we buy double technically. I mean, it was at what, 121?
54:11 Andrew Santino? 130, yeah, maybe.
54:12 Speaker 00 130, yeah, now it's what, 60?
54:14 Andrew Santino? There was a rumor that for a long time, you were paying people in your circle because you've got four assistants, two drivers, a chef, like you have a huge entourage. You were paying people in Bitcoin.
54:26 Speaker 00 Well, no.
54:27 Andrew Santino? That's a lie. That's not true.
54:29 Speaker 00 That's not entirely not true.
54:30 Andrew Santino? Okay.
54:31 Speaker 00 We were using ETH, so Ethereum.
54:33 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
54:33 Speaker 00 For those of you at home.
54:34 Andrew Santino? ETH.
54:34 Speaker 00 Yep. And so we would pay, we would actually technically use a cleanser. So we would take it, decrypt it.
54:41 Andrew Santino? Oh.
54:42 Speaker 00 Put it in an unencrypted wallet, turn it into ETH. Sell it to ETH, buy it back, and then flip it. And then we would send it to the guys. This money was so untraceable, no one had any idea where this show was coming from.
54:55 Andrew Santino? Or how much it's worth.
54:56 Speaker 00 Well, precisely.
54:58 Andrew Santino? Wow.
54:58 Speaker 00 So we could pay a dollar, dime a dollar.
55:01 Andrew Santino? Effectively, you were like, underpaying your whole staff.
55:05 Speaker 00 Big time.
55:06 Andrew Santino? Well, look, it's on them, you know?
55:09 Speaker 00 Bro, look it up. Use a fucking index, a coin index. It's not that complicated. It's not fucking rocket science.
55:15 Andrew Santino? It's out there.
55:15 Speaker 00 Which, by the way, on my mom's side, my grandfather worked for Lockheed Martin. And he took a lot of the stuff he worked on to the grave. And this is actually factual information.
55:25 Andrew Santino? So no one's gonna-
55:25 Speaker 00 Just let me speak.
55:26 Andrew Santino? Alright.
55:27 Speaker 00 He wasn't allowed to talk about the shit he was doing because it was working with alien technologies. And when I say alien, I don't mean UFO, mumbo jumbo. I mean, he was working with out of this world stuff, bro.
55:39 Andrew Santino? Like alien stuff?
55:41 Speaker 00 Precisely.
55:43 Andrew Santino? I mean, I don't know why you haven't made an album about that.
55:47 Speaker 00 Well, I did, bro. I made an entire album. It got shelved by the label. Oh, and by the way, the label forgot to release my song before Valentine's Day. They just forgot to ingest it into the system. And my fans are saying to me, Oliver, your album campaign is so dogshit. The label doesn't even care to ingest my music into the system.
56:05 Andrew Santino? Well, who's responsible for that, man?
56:08 Speaker 00 The higher ups.
56:09 Andrew Santino? How many people are at this label?
56:11 Speaker 00 I don't know, but they fired everyone, hired new people. I don't know. The level of incompetence is out of this fucking world.
56:15 Andrew Santino? It's insane. That sounds foolish. You put out a, you made a, you made a Valentine's Day song-
56:19 Speaker 00 I made a Valentine's Day song about breaking up on Valentine's Day, and they forgot to release it.
56:26 Speaker 00 And bro, and that reminds me, like the stuff-
56:28 Andrew Santino? That's the system dude.
56:29 Speaker 00 Yeah.
56:29 Andrew Santino? That's the broken system.
56:30 Speaker 00 That's a broken system. And it's the same systems that both my grandfathers faced during World War I and World War II through the Korean War.
56:38 Andrew Santino? Right. And this is where you've come out though. You've come out the other side being the artist. You're sick of getting screwed over. You have to have a voice.
56:44 Speaker 00 I'm so done getting bent over by these big pharma.
56:47 Andrew Santino? Right, big pharma specifically.
56:49 Speaker 00 Well, because it's the labels, it's big pharma, and then of course, big banks.
56:53 Andrew Santino? Big banks.
56:53 Speaker 00 That's why I moved all my money into crypto.
56:56 Andrew Santino? So-
56:56 Speaker 00 And then we sold.
56:57 Andrew Santino? You sold.
56:57 Speaker 00 Sold high.
56:58 Andrew Santino? So where do you keep your funds now?
57:01 Speaker 00 I can't disclose. Why the fuck would I say that?
57:04 Andrew Santino? I don't mean to pry, I just think it's interesting. People want to know you.
57:07 Speaker 00 You don't mean to pry, but you're asking me the fucking shit so the world can hear?
57:11 Andrew Santino? Well, I mean-
57:12 Speaker 00 Bro!
57:12 Andrew Santino? You're a smart dude. People want to follow in your footsteps.
57:14 Speaker 00 I know, but you have to understand, you have to pay for my courses to do that. I don't just give this shit out willy-nilly for anyone like yourself, Andrew. If you want to pay for my 16-week course, you can go on and follow my website for my seminars and weekly information that gets disclosed, but I'm not just giving that out on your shitty little podcast for free.
57:33 Andrew Santino? Well, then people should click on the link and they can go to your seminar.
57:36 Speaker 00 Well, they can also go on my tours, they can go get the album, they can do whatever, but none of that matters because what it comes down to is intention.
57:44 Andrew Santino? What's your intention?
57:49 Speaker 00 I don't have one.
57:52 Andrew Santino? I mean, that's oddly very powerful. It's almost like, you know, not believing is believing, you know?
57:58 Speaker 00 I do have one phrase that I always say.
58:01 Andrew Santino? What is it? What is it?
58:03 Speaker 00 And this is something I will give her read, this is on the course, it's covered in the 16-week course. But there is a famous quote, that actually a lot of people don't know the origins, but if you trace back and you look back, you can actually find this in one of my grandfather's sermons.
58:17 Andrew Santino? Your mom's side or your dad's side?
58:18 Speaker 00 Mom's side. Not Josh Woodtree. So, there's a famous quote, and it goes-
58:25 Andrew Santino? It's better to have la-
58:26 Speaker 00 He?
58:27 Andrew Santino? He?
58:27 Speaker 00 Who?
58:28 Andrew Santino? He who.
58:31 Andrew Santino? He who mucks.
58:33 Speaker 00 He who smelt it.
58:35 Andrew Santino? He who smelt it.
58:36 Speaker 00 Dealt it.
58:36 Andrew Santino? He who smelt it dealt it. That's from the Lockheed Martin guy.
58:41 Speaker 00 That came from the higher ups at Lockheed Martin. And that's the kind of shit, they're shaking all of your ideas, they're scrambling your little heads, messing with you. And then meanwhile, you're a little pawn in this game and they're doing such crazy, you can't even begin to imagine, Andrew. You can't even begin to imagine the shit these guys at Lockheed Martin are doing.
59:00 Andrew Santino? I mean, are we in danger?
59:02 Speaker 00 Oh, yeah.
59:04 Andrew Santino? Are you in danger?
59:05 Speaker 00 Very much so.
59:06 Andrew Santino? Do you have an exit plan?
59:08 Speaker 00 I have two.
59:09 Andrew Santino? What, can you share them?
59:10 Speaker 00 Okay, here's the thing. Are you familiar with AI?
59:13 Andrew Santino? A little bit.
59:14 Speaker 00 Okay. You know about ASI?
59:16 Andrew Santino? KSI, this Twitch streamer?
59:17 Speaker 00 No, dude, ASI. Artificial superintelligence.
59:22 Andrew Santino? No.
59:23 Speaker 00 There's AGI, artificial general intelligence. So what you need to understand is, the people who are the most concerned are guys like me, billionaires. Okay, we're fucking scared for our fucking lives, bro. Because the second the ASI, artificial superintelligence, is created. People's jobs are obsolete, people are fucking, no idea what they're gonna do with their time. And guys like me? We're the fucking targets. So we're building bunkers underneath our ground. Okay, Zuck just built one.
59:55 Andrew Santino? Are you buddies?
59:56 Speaker 00 Of course. We actually went to UFC, we were, Dana gave us tickets, we had front row.
1:00:01 Andrew Santino? Hmm.
1:00:01 Speaker 00 So me and Zuck, we both build bunkers. He did his in Kauai. Why do you think Musk is building a fucking rocket ship? It's not for fucking interest of keeping humanity alive, other than him and his little grubby buddies.
1:00:17 Andrew Santino? So will you not be a part of that?
1:00:19 Speaker 00 Hell, no.
1:00:19 Andrew Santino? Exodus.
1:00:20 Speaker 00 The fucking level of the, the toxicities in the environment being expelled by these ships, bro, and, and this is the same shit that the folks at Amazon did. The same shit, you know when they sent those astronauts up into the sky for about thirty minutes?
1:00:37 Andrew Santino? Yeah.
1:00:37 Speaker 00 Do you know how much waste was created, Andrew?
1:00:40 Andrew Santino? I mean, a couple.
1:00:42 Speaker 00 Bro, millions of gallons of water gone down the drain for just one AI prompt. Millions, bro, millions. And I'm not over-exaggerating. I take this very serious.
1:00:53 Andrew Santino? I can tell, no, I know.
1:00:54 Speaker 00 I looked into the quantum engineering. I actually run a spa in New York where we heat the water up with Bitcoin mining. The computers are so warm, we heat the water up that way just because we want to be good for the environment, to use the electricity for something positive so people can use. And this is a public space, Andrew.
1:01:12 Andrew Santino? Right, a spa.
1:01:14 Speaker 00 Precisely. So I'm trying to give back, you know? I'm not trying to get worked up here. I'm getting a little bit angry.
1:01:20 Andrew Santino? Yeah, you're getting a little heated.
1:01:21 Speaker 00 But I'm just trying to give back because I don't want you to put me in the same breadth of a conversation with Musk, with Elon.
1:01:27 Andrew Santino? But you are a billionaire. I mean, you're up there with these.
1:01:29 Speaker 00 Yeah, but that's not here or there because I use my power for good.
1:01:33 Andrew Santino? I know, but how much money have you been giving away money or are you just keeping it?
1:01:37 Speaker 00 I'm keeping it. But wait. When I die, I've created my foundation, and this is factual. If you look up the public records, I have started my foundation, Dr. Oliver Tree's Foundation for Baby Geniuses. When I die, every penny I have, every money that gets made from not just the music that I wrote for Oliver Tree, but the stuff I did for Gaga, for Drake, for the entire industry, for... Let's not forget when I made Goosebumps by Travis Scott, okay?
1:02:05 Andrew Santino? That's you.
1:02:08 Speaker 00 I made Humble by Kendrick. I produced some of the drums on it. But when my residuals come in, month after month, when I am continuously making this, when my dead body is still just in the earth, and I'll obviously be cryogenically frozen, but when I am sitting there in that cryogenic chamber, what will happen with the cash? All of it is gonna go to Dr. Oliver Tree's Foundation for Baby Geniuses. Every penny I make, and I have a whole board of 16 people, my closest collaborators while I'm alive, all of them will be deciding, and when they don't want to work on the committee anymore, they have the chance to give their role and their seat up to someone else to be a part of the chair. But I have this all fully documented in...
1:02:53 Andrew Santino? Your will and testament.
1:02:54 Speaker 00 Precisely, Andrew.
1:02:56 Andrew Santino? Man. I gotta tell you, everytime I see you, I learn more about you, I learn more about the universe, I learn more about America, I learn more about where we're going.
1:03:04 Speaker 00 Yeah, that's the other thing, I'm very patriotic, so I do intend to give some money back to the big war industry, which I didn't, I covered the big three, the big banks, big pharma, and also what was the third?
1:03:15 Andrew Santino? You do, it's big banks, big pharma, big labels.
1:03:18 Speaker 00 But big war, that was my, that's where I really wanted to start.
1:03:20 Andrew Santino? You do want to fund big war.
1:03:21 Speaker 00 That's where I got started, Andrew. It's not just where I found myself as a businessman, but also as a politician, as an internet personality, as funding the wars in the early 2000s.
1:03:35 Andrew Santino? You didn't have anything to do with September 11th, though.
1:03:41 Speaker 00 Can we wrap this up?
1:03:42 Andrew Santino? Look into that camera, say one word or one phrase. One word or a phrase to end the episode.
1:03:53 Speaker 03 In here, we pour whiskey, whiskey, whiskey, whiskey.
1:03:58 Speaker 04 Who that creature in the ginger beard? It's dirty ginger. Like vampires, the ginger gene is cursed. Gingers are beautiful. You owe me five dollars for the whiskey, seventy-five dollars for the horse. Gingers, oh hell no. This whiskey is excellent. Ginger, I like gingers.
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