Pod Insights We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson "I Didn't Even Sign A Contract!" Georgia Harrison, Georgia Kousoulou & Chloe Sims Talk TOWIE About this episode Paul looks back at The Only Way Is Essex with TOWIE cast members Georgia Harrison, Georgia Kousoulou and Chloe Sims. Together, they explore how the show turned Essex culture into one of Britain’s biggest reality TV phenomena, and what it was really like to be inside the show as it exploded.
From glamorous first entrances and overnight fame to low pay, public scrutiny, press criticism and learning how to build a career beyond the cameras, this episode is an inside look at the reality TV show that changed their lives. We're Talking TOWIE
(00:00) Intro
(00:33) Georgia Explains Essex Culture to Paul
(02:50) How Georgia Was Cast in TOWIE
(03:55) What It Was Like Filming TOWIE in the Early Days
(07:00) How Georgia Went From Side Character to Series Regular on TOWIE
(08:55) How Georgia Handled Fame From Being on TOWIE
(13:07) What Does Georgia Think Made Her Watchable on TOWIE?
(16:04) How Does Chloe Look Back on Her Time on TOWIE?
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0:30 Speaker 04 Welcome to We're Talking. In this episode, I look back at The Only Way Is Essex with Georgia Harrison, Georgia Kusulu, and Chloe Sims, exploring how it turned Essex culture into one of Britain's biggest reality TV phenomena.
0:59 Speaker 04 So let's start our ride in one of my favorite places in all of the UK, and that is Essex.
1:09 Speaker 03 Still can't believe it was one of your favorite places in the UK.
1:11 Speaker 04 I think it's because it was the first place outside of London, right? So I was working on Celebs Go Dating, and I think during my first week, there was a scene that I filmed with Chloe Sims, a Towie OG, right? Where I had to eat eel pie mash liquor.
1:32 Speaker 03 I still can't believe you'd done that.
1:33 Speaker 04 It was like, ugh.
1:36 Speaker 03 I would've just left the eel out. Everything else is absolutely fine. Apart from that, I think you got conned.
1:41 Speaker 04 All right, fair, fair. All right. But also, outside of the food, what I noticed is that there's a distinct culture in Essex, right? So if you think about what Essex culture means to you, especially growing up, how would you define that? What was, what was, what was the environment like?
2:00 Speaker 03 It was always very glamorous, very over the top, very flashy. There's a lot of actually really famous people that have come out of Essex. Especially if you look at reality TV, a lot of people are from Essex. And I think it's just a lot of big personalities. But when I was in school, that was the era when TOWIE first started.
2:20 Speaker 04 Okay.
2:20 Speaker 03 So I would have still been in school when it was first coming to the screens. And before TOWIE, there wasn't that many reality TV shows or anything like that was unheard of. And that was when you could really see the rise of people becoming famous for literally nothing around the area. Driving around in nice cars, filming TV shows and actually being very wealthy off the back of it. And I think that is the environment that I grew up in.
2:45 Speaker 04 Interesting. So did that influence you early on? Did you think, wow, I'd love to get a piece of this?
2:51 Speaker 03 Oh, definitely. I think a lot of my friends would be on a show like that. But at first, when I was younger, I didn't always believe things would that easily be obtainable. Like, I didn't believe in manifestation or really myself that much. And then my mindset began to change and that's when I used to think, you know, yeah, I would love to get a piece of this. Do you know what I mean? I don't need any qualifications. All you need to do is turn up, have a good time, have a bit of personality and a laugh. And you'll be far more well off than pretty much everyone in your school year.
3:21 Speaker 04 Okay. So you got your wish?
3:23 Speaker 03 I did, yeah.
3:24 Speaker 04 How did you get that? Because was it 2014 that you were 19, you make your first appearance?
3:32 Speaker 03 Yeah.
3:32 Speaker 04 On TOWIE. How do you think you actually manifested that? How did you make it happen?
3:36 Speaker 03 So it's weird to say because it's not like I went up to ITV Studios and knocked on the door and I was like, come on, let me on TOWIE. Or even tried to position myself to be on there. I would literally just manifest that something like that would be really good for me. And I would imagine what my life would be like, you know. I would imagine myself getting papped. I would imagine myself being in front of a camera. I was just thinking, I think I just wanted to have a good time. I don't think I was thinking about anything, any next steps. I was just enjoying each moment. I was young, I was partying a lot. This for me was just, let's see how long it lasts. Lasts.
4:10 Speaker 04 Okay.
4:11 Speaker 03 And let's hope it does.
4:12 Speaker 04 Let's have a good time.
4:13 Speaker 03 And let's have a good time, yeah.
4:14 Speaker 04 So on Towie, did you get paid for Towie?
4:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, we did, but not a lot. So you would only get paid for the days that you filmed. And that was only like two or three days a week.
4:25 Speaker 04 Okay.
4:25 Speaker 03 And I can't remember how much it was, but it was it was low then.
4:28 Speaker 04 Like, how much? Like, I'm trying to think roughly how much.
4:30 Speaker 03 It might have been like eighty quid.
4:32 Speaker 04 Per day?
4:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, per day. And you don't film every day, I'm pretty sure. Don't, I'm not one hundred percent, but I'm pretty sure it was that.
4:39 Speaker 04 Jojo, you were losing money then.
4:40 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, because obviously as well, you're then having to keep up with all of these expenses because everyone looks so good and so glamorous. And you can't work because most nights you'll get told at twelve o'clock that night what day you're filming the next day. So you can't commit to anything.
4:54 Speaker 04 So how are you surviving financially at this point?
4:58 Speaker 03 I mean, I was just doing my best. I had a part time job as a shot girl. So sometimes I'd be doing Towie and then sometimes I'd be selling shots in like clubs in London.
5:06 Speaker 04 Okay. So Towie then becomes the beginning of what looks like, like you've done endless television.
5:12 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:13 Speaker 04 I mean, you have done, all right, tell me if I'm if I'm off on this. So Towie, Love Island, Love Island All Stars, Celebrity SAS, The Challenge.
5:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:26 Speaker 04 You've hosted a documentary.
5:27 Speaker 03 Yeah. And Celebrity X on the B, not top of the list, but I did it.
5:34 Speaker 04 Celebrity X on the B. I mean, so you've done all of these shows.
5:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
5:38 Speaker 04 Right? So at what point do you start looking at reality television as a career? And is there anyone that you aspire to be like?
5:48 Speaker 03 Oh, see, one thing if you do want to have a career in reality TV that you have to do nowadays is, I think when I'd done Towie, I only got about sixty thousand followers, but I didn't do that much with it. That was when Instagram was first coming around. And then when I got Love Island, which was a few years later, and it was massive, so I knew when I came off, I was going to have a very big platform, regardless of how long I was on there. You could literally go in and breathe in that villa and you would come out an influencer.
6:15 Speaker 04 Right, right.
6:15 Speaker 03 And I thought, I'm actually going to put some real work into it when I do come out. So I've all. Always put a lot of work into my social media pages, into doing my best to like study the algorithm, see what other influencers are doing, listening to podcasts about what's most successful on each platform, make sure to run multiple platforms at the same time.
6:33 Speaker 04 Yes.
6:34 Speaker 03 And I think that is the plan. The plan is if you can keep yourself relevant on social media, then the other opportunities will follow in and around that.
6:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think this is something that is underappreciated by the public. And that is, I think, a lot of people look at those who land on reality TV shows and think, you know what? They lucked up, got on this show, and they got X number of followers, however many that is, and they got all these other deals out of luck.
7:02 Speaker 03 Yep.
7:02 Speaker 04 And I think that people don't realize how strategic and well-thought, right? A lot of these contributors are. And to your point is that you were consciously thinking, okay, if I do this show, here's what I can do. Here's how I can leverage it afterwards.
7:16 Speaker 03 Yeah.
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8:27 Speaker 04 Once you were invited on.
8:29 Speaker 07 Yeah.
8:29 Speaker 04 You were invited on not as a main character, right? It was of, basically you were Grace's friend.
8:35 Speaker 07 Grace's friend.
8:36 Speaker 04 So Grace was brought on.
8:38 Speaker 07 Yeah.
8:38 Speaker 04 You were brought on as her friend.
8:40 Speaker 07 Yeah, so we went on together. Grace was talking to this guy on the show and they really wanted two girls to come on. I don't know, maybe it was more of an entrance or, you know, more powerful together. And they said, it'd be great, you two coming on together. And we did, we walked straight in Mario's party together. I was shaking, I was so scared.
9:01 Speaker 04 Were you?
9:01 Speaker 07 Yeah, because I was like, what am I doing? She's seeing this guy and I'm just, I was working in my shop an hour ago, you know, like I was, it was so quick. I don't even think I signed a contract, to be honest. I just kind of walked into this set and was like, oh, okay then, this is what we're doing. And I just went with it.
9:17 Speaker 04 You just went with it?
9:17 Speaker 07 Yeah, just, it was crazy.
9:20 Speaker 04 You know, I find the not signing a contract, it seems like that's what was done at that time.
9:25 Speaker 07 Yeah, it was just like.
9:26 Speaker 04 Where it's just like, yeah, just come on, just do it. So were you paid, were you paid then?
9:31 Speaker 07 Yeah, I think we was paid, I can't really remember, but I don't think it was very much, you know? I always kind of knew that I was going on, me and Grace was together, but Grace, you know, had a storyline. She was seeing this guy. I was there for like moral support, really.
9:42 Speaker 04 So you were like her supporting character?
9:44 Speaker 07 Supporting character that she needed to get on the show, you know? So we needed, she needed me to come on with, but I was kind of just there because I was like, well, what am I doing? I had a boyfriend at the time, so I weren't there for the guys. And I walked straight in and all the girls on Tower just looked at us like, why are they here? Because it was very like that back then. It was like, have you two come for our boyfriends? It was very like that. And I'm the girliest girl ever and I was like, hi. And they're like, they're not hiring me.
10:11 Speaker 04 Oh, wow.
10:11 Speaker 07 They're just looking.
10:12 Speaker 04 And who were the girls on the show at that time?
10:14 Speaker 07 They had like the Gemmas, the Ferns, all of the original girls, you know? Amy had left at this point. And I'm like, huh. And they were like, straight faced, I thought, oh, scary.
10:24 Speaker 04 Oh my gosh.
10:25 Speaker 07 Yeah.
10:26 Speaker 04 And even for, so that was your first scene on Tower.
10:29 Speaker 07 First scene.
10:29 Speaker 04 How did you prepare for it?
10:31 Speaker 07 I I I remember we got ready in a pub down the road. They that was the days where the producer told you nothing, nothing. It was very like, it was so real to the point where terrifying real. They were like, what are you gonna do? Is you're gonna just walk straight into that party. I'm like, sorry, they're like, just walk. I'm like, where are we going? They're like, you'll know. I'm like, huh.
10:51 Speaker 04 And what are we doing?
10:52 Speaker 07 We were just linking arms and we're walking. And I remember I had the heels on, we're like this high, cause that was fashion back then. And I was walking, I was thinking, oh my god, please don't fall. And my hair was big and I was, it was just all a lot. And I had this dress on. And I thought, what are we doing? And then we just walked in and that was it. My whole life changed from that minute.
11:09 Speaker 04 Did it?
11:10 Speaker 07 It was scary.
11:11 Speaker 04 Wow. So it changed, but how quickly did your life change?
11:16 Speaker 07 I just got thrown in from that minute, like from that minute. I remember thinking, wow, I've walked in. I felt like I'd stepped into a different world. Like, I was, I was so confident in my shop and I had my little surroundings and I had a good friends and family. And like, I had a boyfriend. Everything was like very content. And then they've dropped me into this world. Where I don't really know, I knew a few people from my school back in the day, but all of these girls, I thought, oh, I feel like it's like. Not like a war, but it was very like, why are you here? It was, I couldn't believe it. I didn't experience that before. These girls were like, this is our show. What are you doing? I was like, hmm.
11:57 Speaker 07 Me and Grace was like, okay, Grace, what are we doing now? And I kinda didn't really think it'd last long. Not for me as well, cause I kinda thought, well, I'm just here with Grace, you know?
12:06 Speaker 04 Sure.
12:07 Speaker 07 And I thought, well, what am I, um, what am I bringing?
12:10 Speaker 04 What did you think you were bringing?
12:12 Speaker 07 Moral support.
12:13 Speaker 04 That was it?
12:14 Speaker 07 I thought, oh, yeah.
12:15 Speaker 04 So you know, never saw yourself as a main character?
12:17 Speaker 07 No, not at all.
12:19 Speaker 04 All right.
12:19 Speaker 07 No.
12:20 Speaker 04 So then you're then asked to come back and back?
12:24 Speaker 07 And back and back.
12:24 Speaker 04 And back?
12:25 Speaker 07 Yeah.
12:25 Speaker 04 And you're still running the shop at the same time?
12:27 Speaker 07 Yeah.
12:28 Speaker 04 All right.
12:28 Speaker 07 Then it got tricky because I didn't realise that filming was six days a week. And you never knew your day off. So how it worked was I'd get a text the day before. And it'd say, you will be needed for filming tomorrow at twelve o'clock, be at your car, dress glam. It's always, he was always dress glam. And I'd be like, okay then, I've got a shop to run. And in the midst of this, I decided to add sunbeds. And a hair station and a makeup station to the shop. Yeah.
12:58 Speaker 04 Wow.
12:58 Speaker 07 To make it the really one, one stop shop. It was unbelievable, but that meant I had all this staff. I had so many girls in there. It was unbelievable, but I couldn't do both. It got to the point where I was like, my dad sat me down, he's like, you need to sell this shop. If this is what you wanna do, cause I loved it. I really enjoyed Tower, although it was terrifying. I found my feet in it quite quick. And he said, you need to sell this shop quickly before it goes under, cause we've got a lease on this. And I did.
13:27 Speaker 04 You sold it.
13:28 Speaker 07 Which is such a shame in a way, because actually looking back, if I knew I was gonna sell Tower, I kept it, you know, it helped me. I kinda didn't know what I was doing. I was like, oh, I'll just go with this, this path now. The path, it just, it was like my path was here and then all of a sudden it went this way really quickly. I thought, okay, well, I can't do both, so let's get rid of that shop.
13:44 Speaker 04 All right. So you could double down, focus on Tower.
13:46 Speaker 07 Just focus on Tower.
13:47 Speaker 04 So I'm sure you're starting to get recognised.
13:50 Speaker 07 Yeah.
13:50 Speaker 04 You're probably getting offered brand deals.
13:53 Speaker 07 Yeah.
13:53 Speaker 04 At this time.
13:54 Speaker 07 Yeah.
13:54 Speaker 04 Right. So is, what's, what's your goal? What, what are you thinking long term? Or were you even thinking long term then?
14:01 Speaker 07 No, I was more like, well, this is great. I'm getting paid to talk to my friends. Wow. I'm good at talking. That's all I thought. I thought, I can do this. This is good. And I really enjoyed it quite quick. Um, and I thought, I'm just gonna go with it. I'm just gonna go with it. And it kinda felt easier because there was less responsibility. You know, like having a shop, although it was unbelievable, it was a big responsibility that.
14:25 Speaker 04 Yes.
14:25 Speaker 07 Especially when I started having staff, it was hard work then.
14:29 Speaker 04 Yes.
14:29 Speaker 07 Because staff is hard. They don't come in and, and things are out and it's, it's hard and there was, you know, girls, girls, they have like dilemmas and stuff. So I thought, oh, this is fun. Having fun here with these, these friends. And yeah, so I kinda, I just threw myself into it.
14:45 Speaker 04 Okay. So what do you think made you good at Tower?
14:49 Speaker 07 Just being able to talk. That is it, I think. I don't know. I actually don't know.
14:55 Speaker 04 Yeah, but what, wait, all right, let me, let me push you on this, right? You think about, you went from. Supporting character.
15:03 Speaker 07 Yep.
15:03 Speaker 04 To main character.
15:05 Speaker 07 Yep.
15:05 Speaker 04 To popular main character.
15:07 Speaker 07 Yeah, yeah, of course, yeah.
15:08 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, own that, own that.
15:10 Speaker 07 Yeah, all right then, yeah.
15:11 Speaker 04 So what do you believe it was about you that allowed you to do those things?
15:17 Speaker 07 I'm quite a nice person, to be honest. I'm actually quite nice. And I like people, which helps. And I naturally took on the role of kind of like the agony aunt, naturally. People, I have a way that people open up to me quite a lot. And they tell me things they probably shouldn't. Because I could have just met them. They just tell me things. I don't know why. I feel like you have that about you, actually. And people seem to tell me things and I would end up getting things out of them, not by purpose. So the scenes we would be doing would be so good because people would just open up and I'd be like, oh, hang on a minute. You just said you didn't want to talk and actually you just told me everything.
16:01 Speaker 07 And I become, it just become this natural role. And I like helping people. So straight away, someone's sad, I'm helping. Someone's got a dilemma, I'm helping. Their boyfriend problems, I'm helping. They're happy, I'm helping. So I could then, I was put in a lot of scenes and I could film with everyone. That was my, that was my superpower. I could film with everyone.
16:23 Speaker 04 Look at that. And then I know also around that time, that's when Pete Wicks.
16:28 Speaker 07 Yeah, he come on.
16:29 Speaker 04 Came on the show. Who else? Chloe Sims.
16:31 Speaker 07 Chloe. So Chloe was on there already.
16:36 Speaker 07 And Lydia, Lydia was on there. And she'd left and then she come back on. It was a good, it was a good time to be part of that show. There was really good characters on there.
16:46 Speaker 04 Yes, yes.
16:47 Speaker 07 It was good.
16:47 Speaker 04 Uh, we had Georgia Harrison on, Georgia.
16:50 Speaker 07 So I got Georgia on the show.
16:52 Speaker 04 Oh, you did?
16:52 Speaker 07 Yeah. So she come on as my friend.
16:54 Speaker 04 Oh, my goodness.
16:55 Speaker 07 Yeah.
16:56 Speaker 04 So you knew Georgia just from around?
16:58 Speaker 07 I knew Georgia. We used to play out together when we were younger. She's younger than me, but she used to live down my auntie's road. So Essex, that's what Essex was like. So they said, we used to put people forward all the time. And I said, I've got this girl, Georgia, I think she'd be great for the show. And she come on as my friend.
17:13 Speaker 04 Wow, look at that.
17:14 Speaker 07 Yeah.
17:15 Speaker 04 Look at that. It's incredible. I didn't know that story.
17:17 Speaker 07 Yeah.
17:17 Speaker 04 Yep.
17:29 Speaker 04 You now land on TOWIE. This is the second series. Yeah. Okay. And I didn't realize this, but you know this. You were the longest running cast member in the history of TOWIE. Do you know how many series you were on?
17:50 Speaker 04 I'm gonna say 29. Ding ding ding ding ding ding ding. 29. Yeah. Series. Yeah. 29. And I was 29 when I joined. So that's a series every year. Yeah. Gosh, now think about that. So when you think about TOWIE, right, there's so much that we could talk about. But what immediately comes to mind? Because sometimes people reflect back at projects and
18:19 Speaker 04 they're uncomfortable with them. They don't want to be associated with them. Sometimes they're very appreciative of what they did. What's your perspective on your time with TOWIE? When I think of TOWIE, like, it's fond. It's fond memories. It was hard, Paul. Like, I joined TV when there weren't a lot of roles. And there weren't all this, like, you know, like, they're just, it was different TV times. Let's put it that way. There was allowed to be little rascals. But overall, I had a blast. I had 10 years of an absolute blast. Like, there was a lot of highs and lows. Don't get me wrong. But it completely changed my life overnight, like that. And it had a lot of negativity.
19:03 Speaker 04 It was like a, you know, bit of a seesaw. But as far as like where I am today, I could never have got this without TOWIE. I would never have, I wouldn't have this, any. I wouldn't even be sitting with you. We wouldn't know each other if it wasn't for that. You said it changed your life like that. Overnight. Overnight. How so? Well, I went on a TV show for two weeks. Didn't tell a soul. I let it go out. Can you imagine what happened with my? Phone, I didn't have any social media. I only had Facebook, which I disabled because that is what advice I'd been given. Okay. And I'm, and one of the other cast members, she made me a Twitter. I didn't even know what Twitter was. I didn't have it. She was like, you need Twitter.
19:47 Speaker 04 And she set it all up. And I remember my BlackBerry going, it was like crashing because it was so mental. This TV show just was so big. Yes. Um, I had a very negative entrance, again about my looks. Because now I took it too far. So now everyone was like, oh, look at her lips, look at her missing tooth, she's this, she's ugly, blah, blah, blah. So then I had all that negativity. Interesting. Um, but that's not Towie's fault. They're just filming me how I was, you know? But like the press, yeah, they were terrible is the way to describe them. They was allowed to talk about us in any which way they was allowed.
20:29 Speaker 04 It was like a given then. They used to call me like car crash Chloe and talk about my looks and like use really unflattering photos. But I didn't really give a shit. I was making all this money. I was getting, I was getting chased by paps. Like me and Maddy were living, you know, like I was thinking, I've done it. I've sorted me and Maddy out. Like, we're good. You were like, I've arrived. Yeah, next minute I had a brand new car, brand new out of the showroom, like you would, that girl that was stood in the shop. You didn't have anything, just paying her rent. Suddenly, I had it all. I went off to LA. Started taking Maddy on lovely holidays. And I thought, wow, like sucker of rags to riches overnight story.
21:12 Speaker 04 Where, where does the money in, in, in the early time of Towie, where does the money come from? Because from what I understand is they weren't paying you. No, they, they didn't pay in series one. In series two, they paid for your expenses. Okay. Which was fifty pound every time you filmed, not per day. And at the time, we were filming like six days a week.
21:32 Speaker 07 But we was earning money from magazine, interviews, appearances and PAs. Lots of money.
21:40 Speaker 04 I see.
21:41 Speaker 07 Money that I hadn't had ever. So it's not lots of money compared to like what the Kardashians have got.
21:47 Speaker 04 Right.
21:48 Speaker 07 But a lot of money in comparison to what I had.
21:50 Speaker 04 Yes, yes. So I see. So, so as soon as the show hits the air, it starts coming in.
21:57 Speaker 07 Yeah, like people wanted to do fake tans with me, clothing lines with me. Plus you're getting given everything.
22:04 Speaker 04 Yes.
22:04 Speaker 07 So you're not even really spending as much money now. I didn't even really have to buy stuff. That, that stuff tell a lie. That did come later. The first season I did make money. But this is a true story. When I joined, I had my life savings and it was one thousand pounds. And I remember having to dip into that to get clothes originally. Cause I needed the clothes to wear. Cause obviously six days a week, I didn't have enough clothes for that.
22:30 Speaker 04 Yes.
22:31 Speaker 07 So yeah, I remember dipping into that. But then I started getting my deals and everything for free.
22:35 Speaker 04 Interesting.
22:36 Speaker 07 Yeah.
22:36 Speaker 04 But even dip, I would imagine, cause you'd been saving that for.
22:39 Speaker 07 That thousand pound was my like lifeline. That, that was my, my nan always said, always have something put away for an emergency and don't spend it. And even if I borrowed something out of it, I'd always put it back, you know?
22:52 Speaker 04 Okay. So, and you dipped in to buy, and some people would say you dipped in to buy clothes. But it seems like your plan was, no, when I show up on this show, I'm going to make sure that people see me.
23:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, it was an investment. I was like, that was my life savings. And I lived above a clothes shop and then facing it was another clothes shop. And I was going in there and buying the dresses. And then eventually they said, you ain't got pay for them no more. Just do us a tweet. And I was like, okay.
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