Ep 227: Jim Gaffigan (Fathertime)

Fathertime joins on this episode of We Might Be Drunk, the always funny Jim Gaffigan. This episode is one for the comedy nerds and goes deep into the behind the scenes stuff. Sorry if its not your cup, but its a great clinic on comedy. Fathertime Bourbon makes a great gift for fathers day and Bodega Cat makes a great gift for yourself if your father left you. https://fathertime-bourbon.com Support the show and sign up for your $1 per month trial period of Shopify. Head to https://www.shopify.com/drunk Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD WMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ WMBD Clips Page: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Jim Gaffigan: https://jimgaffigan.com Sam Morril: YouTube Channel: @sammorril Instagram: https://instagram.com/sammorril Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: YouTube Channel: @marknormand Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marknormand Tickets/Tour: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets We Might Be Drunk is produced by Gotham Production Studios https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com/ @GothamProductionStudios Producer Matt Peters: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:06Speaker 00

  How's it going?

• 0:08Mark Normand?

  Ahhh! I like how he's like, put out. Didn't wanna be there.

• 0:13Speaker 00

  Now the movie Heat.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  It has De Niro, Pacino, Kilmer. But the reason everyone loves it is... Yeah. You guessed it. Wayne Grove.

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Does he die in a robe in the end of the last scene?

• 0:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 0:31Mark Normand?

  Haters loving it.

• 0:32Speaker 00

  So... Who here is on a dating app?

• 0:35Mark Normand?

  Ahhh!

• 0:38Speaker 00

  Tender, Bumble, Yelp?

• 0:45Speaker 00

  And who here has seen Heat?

• 0:48Sam Morril?

  This is like, so dumb.

• 0:50Speaker 00

  And who here that has seen Heat is terrified to be on the stage with me, Wayne Grove?

• 1:00Mark Normand?

  That is... What a weird pitch.

• 1:01Sam Morril?

  It's just for five minutes. I mean, it's insane.

• 1:03Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:04Sam Morril?

  It kinda becomes unfunny and then gets funny again.

• 1:07Mark Normand?

  Right, right. It's cool that he's just... He's going right in. He's like, "I'll ride it out."

• 1:12Sam Morril?

  Um, yeah, I mean, should we start it up?

• 1:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, go ahead.

• 1:14Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we were just talking Val Kilmer, man. R.I.P. Val Kilmer. One of the best.

• 1:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah, great guy.

• 1:20Sam Morril?

  Such a talent.

• 1:20Mark Normand?

  Great documentary. Top secret. I grew up on that shit.

• 1:24Sam Morril?

  Oh, he's so good in that.

• 1:25Mark Normand?

  Blew my mind.

• 1:25Sam Morril?

  So funny.

• 1:26Mark Normand?

  So funny. The scene where he's... He's gonna shoot out with the windows and he bangs a hole in the window. It's like a circle. Then they shoot him and it's an X. Then he bangs another circle out. I mean...

• 1:35Sam Morril?

  I love the... I love when he's in the prison cell and he keeps marking as if time passed.

• 1:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:40Sam Morril?

  And you think it's like 20 days, but it's been like 20 minutes.

• 1:42Mark Normand?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:44Sam Morril?

  I mean, it's so stupid. I mean, it's... It's a really funny movie.

• 1:48Mark Normand?

  The black guy's chocolate mousse. There's a... There's a lady with cleavage who starts talking to this guy. He's a robot. And she starts rubbing her tits on him and his antenna goes up. So many great gags in that movie.

• 1:59Sam Morril?

  Also, also Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

• 2:01Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 2:02Sam Morril?

  Oh my god.

• 2:02Mark Normand?

  Great movie.

• 2:03Sam Morril?

  He's so, and these are all like different types of comedy. So he's not just a great versatile actor, but he's doing different types of comedic performances too.

• 2:12Mark Normand?

  Totally.

• 2:13Sam Morril?

  Dude, he's really funny in Tombstone.

• 2:15Mark Normand?

  Great, he makes Tombstone.

• 2:16Sam Morril?

  He, he, he's the reason to watch Tombstone.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. He's in The Range, he's in Top Secret and The Doors movie.

• 2:22Sam Morril?

  I know.

• 2:23Mark Normand?

  And Top Gun as Iceman.

• 2:25Sam Morril?

  But dude, when he, when he had that first showdown with Johnny Ringo, and Johnny Ringo does all the fucking tricks with the gun, and then he just does the same thing with an empty glass of whiskey he was drinking. It's so, I mean, he did, gave you everything in Tombstone, like, he's a badass, he's funny, he makes you cry in the end.

• 2:42Mark Normand?

  Vulnerable.

• 2:43Sam Morril?

  He's, dude, he's so cool.

• 2:44Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah, he's the man.

• 2:46Sam Morril?

  Heat, we didn't even bring up Heat.

• 2:47Mark Normand?

  Oh, Heat, one of the coolest, Michael Mann's masterpiece.

• 2:51Sam Morril?

  I don't know if it's my favorite Michael Mann movie, but I love it.

• 2:54Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 2:54Sam Morril?

  But it's great.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Manhunter?

• 2:56Sam Morril?

  I, I might go The Insider, dude.

• 2:58Mark Normand?

  Uh, Insider's great.

• 3:00Sam Morril?

  The Insider's incredible.

• 3:01Mark Normand?

  That's a hell of a movie.

• 3:02Sam Morril?

  But I love, Val Kilmer, apparently, Vita was telling me this, that I, I think they couldn't pay him what his rate was, but he was like, if you put me on the poster with Pacino and De Niro, I'll do it, and pull up the poster. I mean, that's like a, that's like a power move right there.

• 3:19Mark Normand?

  Funny, cause I was always like, why is he on the poster? He doesn't seem big enough, but there you go.

• 3:23Sam Morril?

  There you go.

• 3:24Mark Normand?

  And he got a name on there too, look at that, wow, good for Val. What a guy, great documentary, if you wanna weep all night, watch, watch Val.

• 3:33Sam Morril?

  It was a wreck on this podcast, and I watched it cause of you, and you said you cried, and I, I got misty myself.

• 3:39Mark Normand?

  It passed the girlfriend test, I was like, let's try this, she's like, are you kidding, who is this guy, I've never heard of him, and then she was weeping like a bitch.

• 3:46Sam Morril?

  Never heard of Val Kilmer?

• 3:47Mark Normand?

  She is out to lunch this lady.

• 3:49Sam Morril?

  She's 16 years old.

• 3:49Mark Normand?

  She doesn't know Brando, De Niro, Pacino, she knows The Bachelor, she knows, uh, Below Deck, she knows the Kardashians. Yeah, it's not good.

• 4:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah, he was great, man, and he was in like, you know, talks about being, I mean, he was Batman.

• 4:07Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah, well, stop bringing that up.

• 4:09Sam Morril?

  It's not the worst Batman, and he's, and he's a good Batman, it's just not a good movie.

• 4:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Schumacher really got, got weird on that one.

• 4:15Sam Morril?

  He got gay, it was all about lips.

• 4:17Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 4:18Sam Morril?

  He was, he, he, it was all about Batman's lips, you're just like, what are we, what are we doing here?

• 4:22Mark Normand?

  That's when you get the black Batman.

• 4:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah, alright, and Gene Hackman, we gotta throw him in the mix too. I don't know if we did a thing on him yet. But yeah, look at those

• 4:34Sam Morril?

  That's what I mean.

• 4:35Mark Normand?

  Luscious beauties there.

• 4:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah, he looks like he's in an S and M club in Berlin, like what the hell?

• 4:39Mark Normand?

  He does, yes.

• 4:41Sam Morril?

  Is this Batman or am I about to get fucking spanked here? What the hell?

• 4:44Mark Normand?

  I know, I'm wearing a ball gag over here.

• 4:46Sam Morril?

  What is going on?

• 4:47Mark Normand?

  Machi machi, look at the cup on that son of a b.

• 4:50Sam Morril?

  Was it, was it the Clooney one or was it this one where he had nipples on the suit?

• 4:53Mark Normand?

  That's the controversy about this one, he had nipples.

• 4:54Sam Morril?

  Nipples on the suit?

• 4:56Mark Normand?

  He's ripped, I mean, uh, he's got me in a wet market.

• 4:59Sam Morril?

  Who's designing this where we're like, we need nipples?

• 5:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 5:02Sam Morril?

  I also love that they draw on the six pack for this outfit.

• 5:05Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 5:05Sam Morril?

  Like Batman's like, look, I do still drink, I don't have abs. In this costume.

• 5:10Mark Normand?

  Do me a favor and contrast this Batman with Adam West. Could there be more of a contrast? Like the doughiest white guy of all time and then a ripped six pack ab, son of a b. Look at that, that's just a regular dude.

• 5:23Sam Morril?

  Adam West was fucking too.

• 5:25Mark Normand?

  Oh, he was a poon hound.

• 5:27Sam Morril?

  Yeah, oh my, look at this, he looks Chinese.

• 5:29Mark Normand?

  He does, yeah.

• 5:30Sam Morril?

  He's a Chinese Batman. Started a fucking virus.

• 5:34Mark Normand?

  God, it was easy to be a man back then, you just did not be fat and you were killing it.

• 5:39Sam Morril?

  Yeah, you're right, you could be doughy back then.

• 5:41Mark Normand?

  Be doughy, smoke cigarettes, drink all the whiskey you want and you were good to go.

• 5:45Sam Morril?

  Yeah, let me have my glass of whole milk with dinner.

• 5:49Mark Normand?

  Yeah, my pack of cigarettes and my, my wife with a black eye. The American way. Burt Ward.

• 5:55Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I mean, he, he turned, uh, he turned down Batman and Robin, Val Kilmer, to do The Saint.

• 6:01Mark Normand?

  Saint was cool.

• 6:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 6:03Mark Normand?

  Blind superhero.

• 6:04Sam Morril?

  No, that wasn't, that was, wasn't that Daredevil?

• 6:06Mark Normand?

  Well, it's Daredevil, but he's, I think he's blind in The Saint.

• 6:09Sam Morril?

  Is he?

• 6:09Mark Normand?

  He's not a superhero, but he's, he's blind, he's like a blind secret agent.

• 6:13Sam Morril?

  Is he? I had no idea.

• 6:14Mark Normand?

  Isn't he blind?

• 6:15Sam Morril?

  He's blind in that Mira Sorvino movie. You might be combining.

• 6:18Mark Normand?

  You're right, I'm combining. Nevermind.

• 6:21Sam Morril?

  How many blind superheroes are we gonna have?

• 6:23Mark Normand?

  We got Stevie Wonder, we got Ray Charles, we got Daredevil.

• 6:28Sam Morril?

  I, uh, by the way, here's my, here's my beef with Daredevil. They say he's blind, but then he's like beating up eight guys at once.

• 6:35Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Sam Morril?

  His other senses are heightened. It's like, I don't think that's how. I don't think that's how it works. I think you'd be able to like smell a fart from the living room or something.

• 6:43Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 6:43Sam Morril?

  You're able to just beat up a whole crew of people.

• 6:45Mark Normand?

  That's a good point.

• 6:46Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 6:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 6:48Sam Morril?

  It's my, it's my bone to pick with Daredevil.

• 6:49Mark Normand?

  You got a point. And he should be reading more Braille. Why is there no Braille in Daredevil? What's up with Braille, by the way? You ever do that?

• 6:56Sam Morril?

  Have I ever felt Braille?

• 6:57Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 6:58Sam Morril?

  No, I, I read.

• 6:59Mark Normand?

  Wow, as a goof, like, let me see if I can read this little, uh, Bible scripture here, written on the elevator, and it is just.

• 7:07Sam Morril?

  It's a tough life.

• 7:07Mark Normand?

  It's tough, yeah.

• 7:09Sam Morril?

  Yeah, damn, that's how you have to learn.

• 7:11Mark Normand?

  Braille's great. You ever seen a book of Braille? It's just a book with all the buttons on it, and you gotta do that.

• 7:15Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 7:16Mark Normand?

  Crazy.

• 7:16Sam Morril?

  Blind people, you think they're good at fingering?

• 7:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, no doubt about it.

• 7:20Sam Morril?

  They're feeling the bumps, they're like, oh, this tells a story, every vagina. And the story is, she's been with other men who have a very, very unholy disease.

• 7:29Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's a lot of bumps.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  In 1970, National Library Service put out a edition of Playboy in Braille.

• 7:36Mark Normand?

  Thank you.

• 7:37Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 7:38Mark Normand?

  Bummer.

• 7:38Sam Morril?

  You're like, man, these are some sweet tits. This is great.

• 7:42Mark Normand?

  I read the article.

• 7:46Sam Morril?

  Damn, dude.

• 7:47Mark Normand?

  Wow, that's very, uh, inclusive.

• 7:49Sam Morril?

  I love it. Oh, is our guest here?

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:51Sam Morril?

  All right, let's do it.

• 7:52Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 7:56Mark Normand?

  Yeah, we got, yeah, Hackman, Kilmer. They go in threes, they say, so we'll see who's next.

• 8:01Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 8:02Speaker 02

  Speaking of, here's our guest.

• 8:03Mark Normand?

  Hey!

• 8:07Sam Morril?

  Oh, we're rolling.

• 8:07Mark Normand?

  We are.

• 8:08Sam Morril?

  You come in.

• 8:10Mark Normand?

  We gave, wanted to give Val Kilmer a shout out before you got in.

• 8:12Sam Morril?

  We give him a little nod, yeah.

• 8:14Speaker 04

  Hopefully, he's all right.

• 8:17Sam Morril?

  Cool jacket, dude, you're looking good.

• 8:18Speaker 05

  You know what, let me tell you something. Oh, you three motherfuckers. Let me tell you something. All you need are fucking three motherfuckers could take over a country.

• 8:30Mark Normand?

  That's a good Randy Savage.

• 8:32Speaker 05

  That's all you need. Let me tell you something.

• 8:34Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:35Speaker 05

  Hey, there's, uh, there's Jack Roy.

• 8:37Mark Normand?

  That's right.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 8:39Mark Normand?

  There you go. I think his real name is Jacob Cohen. Fun fact.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:43Speaker 05

  Jacob Cohen.

• 8:44Mark Normand?

  From Queens.

• 8:45Speaker 05

  My name was Jacob Cohen, then I changed to my dad.

• 8:48Mark Normand?

  And molested.

• 8:49Speaker 05

  My father, uh, my father worked in Vaudeville and, uh, his name was Cohen, so I didn't want to use Cohen, so I.

• 8:58Mark Normand?

  Well, how the hell are you?

• 9:00Speaker 04

  I'm good. It's great to be. Are you guys already drunk? No.

• 9:03Mark Normand?

  No, we saved you for that.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  All right.

• 9:06Mark Normand?

  No pressure.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  No pressure. I'm sorry I'm late. It's all right.

• 9:10Mark Normand?

  Ah, you're fine.

• 9:11Speaker 04

  It's a little bit, it's farther away than I thought and. Who comes to this part of town? It is.

• 9:17Mark Normand?

  Midtown, very empty.

• 9:19Speaker 04

  But I like your setup here. I feel like it's upgraded a little bit. Yeah, you actually, you were in the other studio.

• 9:25Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's right.

• 9:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:27Mark Normand?

  Yeah, one of the early guests. Thanks for doing it back. You were slumming it back then. Yeah.

• 9:30Speaker 04

  Was I one of the early guys? You were one of the early, early guests. All I do is give.

• 9:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, comedy. So you bang out a couple.

• 9:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 9:41Speaker 04

  And then.

• 9:41Mark Normand?

  And podcast.

• 9:42Speaker 04

  Hit the road and they post them.

• 9:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 9:45Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 9:46Mark Normand?

  Sell tickets. Speaking of giving, you never gave us a whiskey.

• 9:49Speaker 04

  I did give you a whiskey.

• 9:50Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:51Speaker 04

  It's at home, though. But you brought another one? I bought.

• 9:54Mark Normand?

  I meant the studio.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Whoa. There's, this is the new edition. What, what's different about it? Well, it's like each is a small precious batch. Instead of a small batch, I call it a precious batch. It all has to do with children.

• 10:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 10:10Speaker 04

  And, um.

• 10:11Mark Normand?

  What I call Brad Williams.

• 10:14Speaker 04

  But this is the night, so like there's regular strength and then there's empty nester strength. I bet you your parents can identify with the empty nester strength. They miss their boys. But no, so. Should we drink the empty nester? Sure, whichever one you want. One's higher proof.

• 10:30Mark Normand?

  Just give us the higher.

• 10:31Speaker 04

  But I know you probably need, you probably need the lower proof.

• 10:34Mark Normand?

  Ah, what's that supposed to mean?

• 10:35Speaker 04

  So wait a minute. So people that, I was thinking about this on the ride over here. So like, are people that enjoy this podcast, obviously they're all types of people.

• 10:45Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  But would you say that there are more people that? Uh, love the, the Jews or more people that just love the two?

• 10:55Mark Normand?

  That's a good question. It's a good que- I'd say more comedy, but we also got a lot of alcoholics.

• 11:00Sam Morril?

  We got a lot of sober people. We got a big sober listenership too, but.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  Sober listenership too?

• 11:04Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  So, alright, so do we have, uh, so I think we go empty nesters.

• 11:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Sam Morril?

  Are we going on the rocks, straight up? What are you doing?

• 11:12Speaker 04

  I, I'd love if you got a big rock. Oh.

• 11:15Mark Normand?

  You better believe it.

• 11:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, like sometimes you encounter these, these purists that are like,

• 11:22Speaker 05

  It took them forever to get the water out of the thing.

• 11:25Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 11:25Speaker 05

  Why would you put water near it?

• 11:28Speaker 04

  But I believe it brings something out.

• 11:29Mark Normand?

  Here, here.

• 11:30Speaker 04

  But here, let's.

• 11:33Speaker 04

  It's nice, right? But I know you guys are rye guys, right?

• 11:36Mark Normand?

  Ooh, yeah, well, you better believe it.

• 11:37Sam Morril?

  It's a bourbon?

• 11:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, this is a bourbon.

• 11:39Sam Morril?

  Oh, that smells really good, dude.

• 11:40Speaker 04

  Right?

• 11:41Mark Normand?

  Very nice.

• 11:42Speaker 04

  So, wait, so you probably get so much, but you didn't try it when I sent it last time?

• 11:48Sam Morril?

  I did try it. I have it at home on the cart, the bar cart. I did try it. I enjoyed it.

• 11:54Mark Normand?

  Alright, hit me, baby. Oh, I love a big, big ol' rock. So.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  I love a big rock.

• 12:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 12:00Sam Morril?

  I love them, man. What's your favorite whiskey cocktail, Jim?

• 12:03Speaker 04

  I'm not, I'm not, I'm like, I, this is exactly how I like it.

• 12:07Sam Morril?

  Alright.

• 12:08Speaker 04

  I love, uh, high proof.

• 12:11Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 04

  And I like it with a big rock and, uh, yeah, here we go.

• 12:18Mark Normand?

  Here we go. Look at that. I feel like Don Draper.

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Right?

• 12:23Mark Normand?

  Mmm, mmm. See, bourbon has a sweetness to it, which I always like.

• 12:27Sam Morril?

  That's a good drink, dude.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  Right? And so,

• 12:32Speaker 04

  yeah, there is something about.

• 12:34Mark Normand?

  Oh, god, that is chill.

• 12:38Speaker 04

  Cause I wanna, I wanna talk to you guys about your journey with your rye. Because when you started it, as anyone who's listening who does partake, or maybe, maybe they listen because they partake too much.

• 12:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 12:52Speaker 04

  Is, there is an evolution. So what you loved about, uh,

• 12:59Speaker 04

  A drink at the beginning, or even a whiskey at the beginning can evolve. So like you, like, I like a much higher proof than when I started even with Father Time. I was very obsessed with wanting it to be smooth. That was just because I had tried celebrity brands and so many of them were like, you're like, oh my God, this is, it's, there's a difference between it being strong and it being bad.

• 13:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  So I wanted it smooth so that if someone is a casual drinker that they could partake and, or if they're gonna mix it, even though like, I, I think like, I like a high proof and just drinking it straight. But like, how about you guys? How has it shifted? Do you like a higher proof now than when you started or?

• 13:43Sam Morril?

  I mean,

• 13:43Mark Normand?

  Good question.

• 13:44Sam Morril?

  It all depends on the flavor really to me. Like if it's smooth, I don't, I'll do whatever. But I mean, yeah, I, I drink a lot of Manhattans. Like that's kind of my post-show drink on the road. But if I'm doing straight up, like, I like everything I do. I like a peaty scotch. I like a sweet bourbon. I like everything. So.

• 14:00Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah. But this is very good.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you.

• 14:04Mark Normand?

  It doesn't taste super high proof, which is a compliment.

• 14:07Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 14:08Mark Normand?

  Sometimes you get those, uh, those wild turkeys and it's like a shot of gasoline, you know?

• 14:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, it is. And so you'll do it after a show. You know what I find so amazing about bourbon? Or whiskey in general, cause I'm, I'm really kind of like, uh, once the pandemic hit, that's what opened me up to whiskey and stuff. Is I can have two. I mean, and if my tour manager was watching this, he might be like, you have more than two sometimes. But I'll have two and I'm good.

• 14:38Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Two's perfect.

• 14:39Speaker 04

  Do you know what I mean? Whereas beers, you can be like, I'm a number eight and I'm kind of getting a buzz.

• 14:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 14:45Speaker 04

  But with two whiskies, you can be good. Does that sound like the rationalization of a total drunk?

• 14:49Mark Normand?

  No.

• 14:49Sam Morril?

  No, two is,

• 14:50Mark Normand?

  Two is very moderate.

• 14:51Sam Morril?

  We talk about this all the time with martinis. They, the famous quote, they're like tits, right? Two is the perfect, one's not enough, three's too many.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  Yeah. Oh, that's great.

• 14:59Mark Normand?

  But don't, don't you have two and feel good? Want another one? That's my problem.

• 15:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, well, that definitely, but the good thing is if I'm at home or if I have to get up. I'm not gonna do it. Right, right. Two's the move.

• 15:12Sam Morril?

  Are you, are you an at-home?

• 15:14Speaker 04

  Am I? Yeah.

• 15:15Sam Morril?

  You're an at-home drinker?

• 15:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, that's the-

• 15:17Sam Morril?

  Does your wife drink with you or no?

• 15:19Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. But that's some of, and I know you're new to the game, but like- Yeah. And people that are watching or listening, it's like they're, you know, some of what started this was when you deal with teenagers, which is like dealing with mentally ill people. You need something to take that edge off. So like in the 50s, they were like, I had a hard day at work and you know, when you have teenagers, you're like, I need a break. Right. Do you know what I mean? Oh yeah, I'm scared of that age. Yeah, you'll be dead, don't worry. Woo, thank God.

• 15:53Sam Morril?

  You have that first sip, there's something like that hits so nice, like when you're stressed and you just have like a sip and you're like, oh, I'm fucking-

• 16:00Speaker 04

  It works.

• 16:01Sam Morril?

  I feel like things are gonna be okay.

• 16:04Speaker 04

  Right. Yes. Yeah, it does feel like there is the productivity though that I feel like sometimes can get in the way. Like, there is, particularly writing comedy, like if I would come home and I would feel inspired to write, if, you know, this is kinda like turning off the brain. Yeah. But for me, it's not like, let's have a couple of whiskeys and then we'll think of comedy. I'm kinda like, let's have a couple of whiskeys and fall asleep. Right, right. Comedy's over, we did that part.

• 16:34Sam Morril?

  But it depends on the comics. I remember I, I'd be out with Jim Jeffries and I'd be like, oh, this guy's like writing at the bar. He'd be like telling a story and I could see him like picking up where the laughs were and I was like, oh, this, Jim writes drinking.

• 16:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, not anymore. I don't think he drinks.

• 16:49Sam Morril?

  He doesn't drink anymore, but, but yeah, I, I picture you writing jokes at like, at a computer, just like typing out. Like, all your jokes feel like very organized.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  I feel like I-

• 17:03Speaker 04

  Work fifteen times harder, like I do it the hardest way possible. Which is I'll have an idea, sometimes I'll improvise something on stage, but then.

• 17:16Speaker 04

  Then it's, I'll listen, kind of break it down and then try and find angles around it. And then just chip away, whereas I've, occasionally something will come out fully formed or at seventy percent. But otherwise, I feel like I'm just mining. I feel like I'm a coal miner.

• 17:35Sam Morril?

  Same. Were you throwing stuff at the wall? Cause every time I see you even at like Gotham, I'm like, fuck, that's like polished. That's like perfectly well done.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't see you bomb.

• 17:44Sam Morril?

  I don't really see you bomb.

• 17:46Speaker 04

  Oh, no. So how do you not bomb? Well, there is, I mean, as you guys know, there's moments that feel like bombing. Sure. You know what I mean? And then there's the, you know, the jokes you pull up to kind of right the ship. Right. But there is, yeah, no, there's, sometimes it's throwing out ideas and I, I feel like I've also been doing it so long where I know. What'll kind of work, but.

• 18:15Speaker 04

  For me, I think there is, I can play on the road, you know, if I'm doing an hour ten and I'm doing. In front of a home crowd, right? It's a home game. I can play a little bit if, you know, they know my point of view. Right, that's true. There, you know, there's a certain trust there and I would never, you know. Just go on a rant for too long, but like if I'm feeling some give and take, I'll go with it, but otherwise. I don't know, some of it is, see, you know, like everything's a metaphor for me. So like some of it is gathering seeds, cause I also garden. You know what I mean? So it's gathering.

• 18:57Sam Morril?

  You're like the ultimate dad.

• 18:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, I am. And so like gathering seeds, but like some of them take longer to germinate.

• 19:05Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 19:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh yeah. Ain't that the truth? And you know, like during those first six years, you're like, why isn't this working? I know this is funny. Yes. And now you know, like I gotta put it away. Either I haven't learned how to develop it, or, or I haven't found the right angle on it.

• 19:24Mark Normand?

  Yes, it's like beef jerky, you gotta leave it for a while and then come back. But that's hard to do in the early years.

• 19:29Speaker 04

  It's very hard.

• 19:30Mark Normand?

  Cause you have no material.

• 19:31Sam Morril?

  But of all these, all these like word docs of like, I never fucking figured that one out. It's like, they're like cold cases or something.

• 19:36Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 19:37Speaker 04

  Well, I have so many word docs of the same j- same joke over and over again. Probably like, alright, I've worked on that for like a month. And just changing a certain approach to it and it doesn't make any difference. But then you'll be on the subway and you're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 19:58Mark Normand?

  I got it.

• 19:58Speaker 04

  Right?

• 19:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 19:59Speaker 04

  It's the best feeling.

• 20:00Sam Morril?

  You get a gift.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 20:02Mark Normand?

  You have to kind of kill your ego, cause you're like, it's gotta be this way. And then one day you, you let it go long enough that you kind of fall out of love with it. And then you can see it clearly.

• 20:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:10Mark Normand?

  Finally.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  And then there's the touring, which is, provides kind of the purity of it. Like I just did shows in Vancouver, cause I have a lot of material on bourbon and whiskey. Not a lot, but like, and you know, when you do an international show, things might be slightly different. Even though Canadians and Americans, obviously there's a lot of overlap. But it's the shift of like, uh, just, you know, Canadian whiskey is obviously a huge thing.

• 20:43Mark Normand?

  Oh yeah.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  And then you add in the tariffs and you add in all this. So it's this thing where I'm like, oh, I can't work on this chunk the way I want to.

• 20:52Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:53Speaker 04

  But that also provides, um, you know, so instead of writing, presenting the jokes as bourbon, I would present them as whiskey. And so, and then that would lead me into, like, there's so much to learn also just on the topic of whiskey in general. Uh, for me, just because I, you know, I was such a late bloomer, you know what I mean?

• 21:18Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 21:18Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I remember you had a bit where you said you didn't drink.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:21Sam Morril?

  I remember, it's an old gaffigan bit from like a Letterman set. And I remember you're like, I love the joke. You're like, it's hard to get a woman, you know, to drink on a date. When you don't drink, you're like, I'll have a water and the lady will have a shot of Jäger. Yeah. I love that bit.

• 21:33Mark Normand?

  Perfect liquor choice in that bit.

• 21:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, no, it's weird.

• 21:38Mark Normand?

  Yeah, the mining, do you ever have a thing where I feel like I'm bombing, I'm bombing for weeks? And then one day you do your act and you're like, oh, I have like nine new minutes. It's because it was gradual. You weren't noticing how much pro- uh, progress you were making.

• 21:51Sam Morril?

  You're great at staying with bits, though.

• 21:53Mark Normand?

  I'll stay with a bit.

• 21:54Sam Morril?

  He'll stay with a bit, like, I will, I'll be like, if it's not pulling its weight, I'll dump it and I'll look back in like a month or two with fresh eyes, but like, there's only so long you can give it if it's, if it's dragging down the whole set. It's like sports, it's like that, this guy's not pulling its weight.

• 22:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 22:08Speaker 04

  Right, it's just the team isn't working in that order.

• 22:11Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 22:12Speaker 04

  That's what's so crazy. I shifted the order of my hour right now and this joke that used to really kind of, it was a kind of a segue chunk, you know, after I get done with a chunk, I kind of segue into another one. And it used to kill. And I moved this whole chunk back and now it's kind of like, eh.

• 22:32Mark Normand?

  Interesting.

• 22:33Speaker 04

  Just because of when it arrives and it adjusts things. So like moving, as you guys know, moving the order changes everything.

• 22:45Mark Normand?

  Huge.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  I mean, I do think that at the beginning, it should be autobiographical a little, I mean, this is just what I know.

• 22:54Mark Normand?

  Out of the gate in an hour, you say?

• 22:55Speaker 04

  I think, I think it has to be a little, I mean, I'm a very, Seinfeld hates this stuff, but like, I'm a very observational guy, right? But I believe that you have to be, uh, uh, you have to give some autobiographical, some intimacy. I, you know, I have a larger theory. I believe that like, because of reality shows, there is a certain price of entry that we live in such a voyeuristic, uh, and exhibitionist culture today versus say, the nineties or the eighties. So if you look in the eighties or the nineties, Jerry Seinfeld and Chris Rock, people didn't real, they knew

• 23:40Speaker 04

  their points of view, obviously very different, but like, but the Chris Rock of 2005 or 2015 or 2020.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  People need to know, he has to do something.

• 23:53Mark Normand?

  Personal.

• 23:54Speaker 04

  Biographical.

• 23:54Sam Morril?

  Well, the tangerine is so different than like Never Scared.

• 23:57Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 23:57Sam Morril?

  Chris started digging, started mining this.

• 24:00Mark Normand?

  The divorce.

• 24:00Sam Morril?

  The divorce stuff's the most interesting stuff in that hour to me, too. Yeah. I love that stuff.

• 24:04Speaker 04

  And, and, and Seinfeld, you know, it used to be like a joke about this, a joke about, a joke about that. And now there is, and it's, it varies on the, the autobiographical. But I think because of reality shows, they're asked to be a certain amount. I mean, by the way, it's like podcasts reveal, uh, uh, you know, a lot of intimate details indirectly.

• 24:30Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 24:30Speaker 04

  You know what I mean? So like people that come to your shows, and by the way, here are the shows listed. Here's where Mark's going and here's where Sam's going. That, uh, people are like, because they listen to this podcast, it'll inform their experience of watching the show.

• 24:45Mark Normand?

  Well, yeah, I get a million, you get these audience members like, when you talk about OCD, that hit home and that's why I became a fan. And I told my friend with OCD. So yeah, some people just want, I used to think like the relatable stuff was what people wanted. Oh, I know what it's like to fiddle with shoelaces. Oh, that's, that guy's my guy now. But I think it is the, uh, you talked about growing up in the South. I'm from the South. That feels like it's what grabs people, the family stuff. Like when Louis started talking about his, his baby that he hated, I think that's when he blew up.

• 25:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. No, I think there is, um, yeah, it's weird. It's weird because I, I believe that some of it is, there is the emotion, but I'm also a big believer in substance. It has to be substance. Obviously you guys are both substance guys.

• 25:34Mark Normand?

  But what does that mean substance?

• 25:35Speaker 04

  That means where it's, it's also kind of.

• 25:39Mark Normand?

  Has to mean something?

• 25:40Speaker 04

  It's style versus substance. Now, it used to be like Steven Wright is absolute, he's so substance, that's his style.

• 25:49Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  Right?

• 25:50Sam Morril?

  Oh, interesting.

• 25:51Speaker 04

  So, uh, the, so like an example of someone whose style is.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  They do an hour, the crowd's killing. But if you ask the crowd, tell me one of his or her jokes, they'd be like, uh, or if they've, if the substance is the joke, it's the craftsmanship.

• 26:13Mark Normand?

  Got it.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  Does that make sense?

• 26:15Mark Normand?

  Now I get it, I get it. I thought you meant they had some kind of weighty, like, the meaning of life kind of thing.

• 26:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, it's, I don't think it has to be, uh.

• 26:25Mark Normand?

  Poignant.

• 26:25Speaker 04

  It doesn't have to be poignant.

• 26:27Mark Normand?

  No.

• 26:27Speaker 04

  It just has to be, um, uh, yeah, there has to be some.

• 26:33Mark Normand?

  Can you have, you can have both, too. Those are the best guys, like, a tell.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  You have to have a little bit.

• 26:37Sam Morril?

  It's weird when a comic would force, like, trying to be poignant when they'd be doing, like, just like racist street jokes and they'd be like, but guys, we gotta get along. We gotta like.

• 26:45Speaker 04

  That's the whole thing.

• 26:46Sam Morril?

  We gotta get together, you know?

• 26:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 26:48Sam Morril?

  These Asian people, but guys, it's all.

• 26:50Speaker 04

  But I, as you know, I'm just joking. I think we should all get along, right? And so, like, some of those people are really likeable people. And they can do

• 27:02Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  the dose of divide and then a little bit of a hug. And because they're so likeable, people are like, that hug was so good, I forgot that your entire act is just misogyny.

• 27:17Mark Normand?

  I think, oh, sorry.

• 27:18Sam Morril?

  Oh, no, go ahead.

• 27:19Mark Normand?

  Well, there's a lot of those style guys, they tend to not do stand-up forever and I feel like they can go into, like, interviewing or a game show or something like that because the substance is so much work. And if you can just get, get hot off style, like a Belzer, I think he was all style. And then now he's on, you know, Law and Order for 50 years.

• 27:36Sam Morril?

  But yeah, but you're right, but like, that's, cause you're all style, it lends to, like, good characters or something.

• 27:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah, exactly. And I'm not taking it away from the guy, I'm just saying.

• 27:44Sam Morril?

  No, he's a great, he's great on Law and Order.

• 27:46Mark Normand?

  You're better off as an actor or something.

• 27:47Speaker 04

  And by the way, he was, not that I'm an expert on it, but he was really. Like a definitive New York comedy club character.

• 27:57Mark Normand?

  Staple.

• 27:57Speaker 04

  He was, you know.

• 27:59Sam Morril?

  And a very smart guy, if you hear in interviews and stuff, like very smart.

• 28:04Mark Normand?

  All right, what were you gonna say there?

• 28:05Sam Morril?

  Oh, I mean, I'm just thinking about what Jim said about like, you know, being personal versus like, you know, this mystique. But like, I'm thinking about like, cause you're kind of like an in-between eras guy, cause you're not, you haven't been doing it as long as Jerry. But like, you were doing stand-up in the 90s, so.

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:19Sam Morril?

  You're a guy, I feel like you kind of made a name for yourself off the observational humor. And then you kind of adapted and I think like Mr. Universe, that's like such a personal special.

• 28:30Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:30Sam Morril?

  You have all these like families, so I think like, it's interesting, cause you kind of bridged the gap a little bit. Where like you, I mean, I think of when you blew up and it was like the voice, like, oh shit, no one had done the audience voice.

• 28:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah, brilliant.

• 28:42Sam Morril?

  And then you, I think of the Hot Pockets bit and all these observational bits that blew you up, so it's kind of interesting.

• 28:48Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's not, that's not personal.

• 28:50Speaker 04

  It is interesting.

• 28:51Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I mean, you did the bacon bit on, like, I remember all these bits on Letterman, like, oh, these are just, like, I feel like Mark and I almost got the idea of comedy, that, oh, we can just be observational, because guys like you were doing that. And I think comedy did change a little bit, where they want more.

• 29:04Mark Normand?

  I think you're right, but could you, could Carlin work today? Carlin is zero personal, zero.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  Well, he is, I mean, you know, not to nerd out too much.

• 29:13Mark Normand?

  Nerd out, baby.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  He is, there's, there's, there's prototypes or buckets, right? And first of all, he is a truth teller, right?

• 29:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  He is a truth teller and some would believe that the problem of today is that our truth tellers are not challenging authority. Whereas like.

• 29:36Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  Carlin would, he would be on, you know, someone would be interviewing for him, for his book, and it would be a political show, and he'd be like, this whole political system's bullshit.

• 29:47Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 29:48Speaker 04

  And they would be like, and so, you know, like, the whole thing is, is like, there are certain prototypes, like, there's, I mean, this is, you know, what I've, you know, in talking to comedians over the years, like, I think there's the preacher, right? Chris Rock is a preacher.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  Uh, you know, who else is a preacher?

• 30:08Sam Morril?

  I mean, Kinnison was definitely, he was an actual preacher.

• 30:11Speaker 04

  Kinnison was a preacher and again, this doesn't have to be, but like some of it is that's a performance style.

• 30:17Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 30:17Speaker 04

  Then there's the clown, you know, uh, Howie Mandel's obviously that prototype and Mark Cohen.

• 30:24Sam Morril?

  Right, right.

• 30:25Speaker 04

  You know, it's like playful, joyful, you know what I mean? And, uh.

• 30:31Sam Morril?

  You know, you know the Mark Cohen joke where he said, uh, a cop knocked on my door? A cop knocked on my door, he goes, we're looking for a rapist. He goes, I'll see what I can do. It's a great joke.

• 30:42Speaker 04

  And Mark is so sweet.

• 30:44Mark Normand?

  Right guy.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so, uh, but like there's, and then there's the observational guys and then there's, there's kind of like the, there's the, the, you know, like, is some of it is the professional bombers, the train wrecks, which are kind of have the spirit of, even though he was a joke smith, right?

• 31:04Mark Normand?

  Rodney.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  Looking Rodney is like, and he like was next level.

• 31:08Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  Uh, I mean, what he was communicating in these one-liners, you know, was just, it transcended.

• 31:16Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 31:17Speaker 04

  In a way, in a strange way, because like his, in my belief, his demographic reach was ridiculous.

• 31:26Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 31:27Speaker 04

  So like he got everyone. He got, you know, he got the, you know, the borscht belt audience. He got the, the.

• 31:37Mark Normand?

  Married audience.

• 31:38Speaker 04

  The blue collar guys.

• 31:39Sam Morril?

  He got the kids who were like, this is like my grandpa.

• 31:41Speaker 04

  He got the, the 15-year-old boys.

• 31:43Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 31:44Speaker 04

  And he got the comedy nerds.

• 31:47Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  You know, like that's, you know, that's very rare.

• 31:50Mark Normand?

  So, Owen, you didn't answer the question.

• 31:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:51Mark Normand?

  Could Carla work? Cause it was all basically social commentary and some observational sprinkled in, you know?

• 31:57Sam Morril?

  But he did the absurdist one-liner.

• 31:58Mark Normand?

  He did the absurdist too.

• 31:59Sam Morril?

  He had phases.

• 32:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, he went through phases.

• 32:01Mark Normand?

  He kind of had every discipline.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think that um he would have, you know, look, he would have faced a lot of criticism like he was facing. Even even like his last special, I mean, that that his chunk on suicide is one of my favorite things.

• 32:21Sam Morril?

  Mark and I talk about It's Bad For You all the time because I think the one before Life is Worth Losing was kind of like a miss for him. But then It's Bad For You, you're like, damn, this is a great special.

• 32:30Mark Normand?

  Yeah, old guy still got it. And he was fun because you watch Twitter and it's like the right will claim him when he's like, these pussies, you can't say anything now. And then the left will claim, I'm like, abortion, what are we doing? We gotta make it legal. And it's that's a real comic when like every side is fighting for you.

• 32:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so, yeah, I think it would work. I think he would be, there would be a lot of criticism. He would go.

• 32:52Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 32:53Speaker 04

  In and out of favor.

• 32:54Sam Morril?

  He would have been great on podcasts though, because if you see him in interviews, he's fucking hilarious. It wasn't just the written stuff where he was funny. He was so quick.

• 33:02Mark Normand?

  And he was so thoughtful. He had an opinion on every goddamn subject out there.

• 33:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember at the original improv, which was on 44th Street, this was probably in, you know, I'd. So when I started in 90, 91, the, yeah, I know. What year were you born? So like, the, you would go to the, it was really, it was down to like, because the comedy collapse had happened. It was down to the improv and.

• 33:34Mark Normand?

  Strip?

• 33:34Speaker 04

  And the strip. Stand Up New York was still uh.

• 33:39Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  Boutique, kind of like, and the Cellar was like, the Cellar you couldn't get in. Stand Up New York, you couldn't get in. You could either get in the improv.

• 33:48Sam Morril?

  You mean, just like they wouldn't book you at the time?

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Well, they weren't, they weren't embracing, they didn't need new people. So like the, in the eighties, when, when stand up comedy became a joke on The Simpsons.

• 34:02Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Of how bad it was.

• 34:04Mark Normand?

  Brick wall.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  There was, they did not need anyone at the Comedy Cellar. It was still the goal. The Comedy Cellar was still the goal. Stand Up New York was much more of a curated kind of Upper West Side. Ah. New Yorkers, where it was like the, the New Yorkers that, that would go. But it was, and some of this is just my perspective, so I might have it wrong. So like, there was the original improv and the comic strip. And the original improv was run by Silver Friedman, Bud Friedman's ex-wife. And the comic strip was run by Lucian Holt. Yeah. We've heard so many stories about Lucian. And both of them were, um, kind of, uh, power corrupts. You know what I mean?

• 34:50Speaker 04

  So like, there was, uh, you know, you hear about these kind of, now, they, they weren't, they weren't, you know, predatory, not that I know of. They weren't, uh, highly abusive, but it was. That was just the comics. Some psychological manipulation that they, they could justify that would not exist today. Right. So like, at the original improv, if you were passed, or you were given an okay, even before you auditioned, you were encouraged to sit and watch every night. Wow. So I would sit and I would watch. It's a punishment. And. Community service. And so you would watch, you know, some good comics. Do you remember who you watched, you were like, this guy's good? Dave Attell. Yeah. You know. Quinn.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  Brett Butler, uh. Wow. Colin was kind of out of it for a little bit. Really? Colin, when I first started, like, there was no Jon Stewart, there was no Colin Quinn. I think he had kind of like, um, he was on MTV and he was kind of doing us, you know. Oh, right. He was in a different, like, he and Jon Stewart were employed. Right. You know what I mean? And so, um. But Stewart you see in the clubs. I wouldn't see Jon Stewart. Not even later? He was kind of just done? He was on Larry Sanders. I never really saw, yeah, so like, he was beyond Larry, he was kind of at a whole other level. Like, he was talk show after talk show host. A darling.

• 36:16Speaker 04

  And so, but you would go and hang out at the original improv, and I would go and I would hang out there. And you know who was, Andy Engel was there? Wow. Holy shit. Uh, who else was there? That guy was a, he was a poisonous character. Yeah, we don't have to get into that. He was kind of everywhere, right? And so. Uh, but like hanging out at the original improv, which had all this history, which Sure. would still get some, some people, but like Silver, you know, like, didn't know how to get people there the way Bud did, or, or maybe it was just such a comedy recession that it was just, no one could have done it. Whereas Lucian kind of filled, he would paper the room. Got it. And so.

• 37:01Speaker 04

  Which means like free tickets to people that don't know the. And so the comic strip was, ended up being very observational, joke, joke, kind of, the, um, uh, kind of Seinfeld joke jokes, kind of like, the, the remnants of the eighties. Whereas Silver, who was an artist, she was a former dancer, and the original improv had this spirit of being much more of, uh, Broadway? Gilbert, uh, you know, Andy Kaufman, you know, like, it started as much more of that coffee house, kind of, there would be different types of people doing different things.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  So it was, she would, she embraced more organic, autobiographical Brett Butler, like Brett Butler, I'm sure she's still alive, maybe she isn't, I don't know, she was an amazing comedian. Really? I've never seen one minute of her standup. She was amazing. And I would watch her and she would come in and destroy. Wow. And so, um, she, uh. She's around, she's just acted in something. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Her TV show was fun. Yeah, and so like, uh, so I was hanging out at the improv, and as, uh, and again, I don't think I was even passed. I think I passed and it closed. Ha. After I'd invested a couple of years. That would happen a lot. That's comedy, baby.

• 38:26Speaker 04

  And so, so, uh, but George Carlin came in.

• 38:31Sam Morril?

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• 39:17Speaker 04

  And he did a set. It was her anniversary. She called in, not, it wasn't her. It was some anniversary. She called in a favor. He was in the area. Was there a crowd, I hope? Yes, there was a crowd.

• 39:31Sam Morril?

  Did word get out that he was gonna be there?

• 39:33Speaker 04

  I, you know, again, it was 93.

• 39:36Sam Morril?

  Hmm.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  You know, like, I know there was an audience, but I remember watching him backstage, and he had all his jokes written out, underlined in different colors. And maybe he was at a certain point in his development of that hour. Mm-hmm. Uh, but it was like, oh, this guy does his homework. Yes. And he was like, looking at things, and I'm trying to like, not be like, uh. Yeah. But it was, uh, pretty amazing. Then he went on stage. He, uh, you know, obviously, you know, did great, but, you know, I would see Kevin Brennan kill up there. Yeah, sure.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Kevin Brennan was a gun. Great jokes. And Louis was always doing something interesting, but like, Etelle was just like...

• 40:30Speaker 04

  Like his on-base percentage was insane.

• 40:33Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 40:33Sam Morril?

  He was Ichiro, man. Every time.

• 40:36Mark Normand?

  Still is.

• 40:37Sam Morril?

  Shortest swing in the game, man. It was unreal. It's unreal. He's still unbelievable.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, and it's just, it's just a...

• 40:44Mark Normand?

  But you have that. I see...

• 40:45Speaker 04

  Just in the bones.

• 40:46Mark Normand?

  You do my show all the time at New York Comedy Club, and I see you with the notebook, the binder, and you're, right before you go on, you're doing like, just a couple of more checks. Okay, what's that new line?

• 40:55Sam Morril?

  I was thinking the same thing. You seem so disciplined. I mean, I've talked to Ryan Hamilton about you, because he had done some dates with you and Seinfeld together. And I was like, and I'm a nerd about this, so I'm like, what's the routine? What do Jim and Jerry do show day? And he said, Jerry and I usually see a movie, Jim gets to the venue early and is doing his notes.

• 41:13Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, those Jerry shows were great, because there is a lot of value in having fun, you know, constructive fun, because when you do the shows with Jerry, you have breakfast, then you go to a movie. Then you sometimes get lunch, then you go for a walk. And I'm like...

• 41:30Mark Normand?

  Ooh, I love it.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  Like, when I travel, because, you know, I like to think it's because I am a parent, but like, I, I'm catching up on sleep and I'm writing. Do you know what I mean? Because sometimes in New York, and sometimes I'm dealing with phone calls. I mean, as we all know, it's like, you're like, oh, I got nothing to do that day, and then that day fills with...

• 41:53Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  Stuff.

• 41:54Mark Normand?

  Every time.

• 41:54Speaker 04

  But yeah, Jerry, I think, has a different approach, but yeah, I like to go to the theater.

• 42:00Sam Morril?

  But he's still writing, it seems, all the time, right?

• 42:01Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:02Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. He's all resumented. He's got his workout schedule, his writing schedule.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  Yeah. But he is also like, he doesn't, and you know, there is something, there's different theories on this, where he doesn't record his set, and I've heard, I've talked to other people. He doesn't record it.

• 42:19Mark Normand?

  Sanity.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  And he...

• 42:20Sam Morril?

  So easy to record a set, too.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  He makes a point of remembering.

• 42:24Mark Normand?

  Gee.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  And I've heard this from other comics. It's like, well, you should remember that line. It should be that important. And some of it is like, maybe I've just destroyed, as I sit around, all these bottles of alcohol. But like...

• 42:39Sam Morril?

  Your recall?

• 42:39Speaker 04

  My short-term... Memory is not great.

• 42:42Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 42:42Sam Morril?

  Yeah, but also, like, it's not just the joke, it's the tone of the joke. And also, hearing, listening back to the joke is usually how I start writing. I have to listen to the set, and then I get in my comedic rhythm.

• 42:54Mark Normand?

  Goldman said the same thing.

• 42:55Sam Morril?

  Goldman's the one who used to talk to me about that all the time.

• 42:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, he, I feel like Gary really has a, a, a process too. And there's, there's, it's, it's, you know, it's, because I have this 13-year-old who's really into basketball, and he's kind of starting, it's like, all of it, like, athletics and process of comedy, it's like, you make it so you have the best opportunity in the game. Do you know what I mean?

• 43:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 43:23Speaker 04

  The process of writing allows you to be in the best position for when the joke arrives.

• 43:29Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Speaker 04

  And the process of preparing for a game is so that when it is your time to take the shot, you're not nervous because you've been working on your form shooting anyway.

• 43:39Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I never get these comics who are just like, they just tell the same jokes over and over, or their career kind of stays the same, and they're like, what do I gotta do? And I'm like, you gotta write. And they're like, ah, write on stage.

• 43:49Sam Morril?

  Yeah, but the problem is, the culture of a lot of these New York clubs, not to throw shade here, is to kill.

• 43:55Speaker 04

  It is.

• 43:55Sam Morril?

  And when, and when the culture is to kill for-

• 43:57Speaker 04

  Then it's like, why risk it?

• 43:59Sam Morril?

  But why, and that-

• 44:00Mark Normand?

  But you can, you can finesse, you can do a couple in the middle and then make it work.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  But that takes a certain, that takes a muscle.

• 44:06Mark Normand?

  But you gotta learn that muscle in New York.

• 44:08Speaker 04

  And sometimes you get on, and what if the audience is not great?

• 44:12Mark Normand?

  Well, there's that, too.

• 44:13Sam Morril?

  These people are protecting their, their rent checks. And it gets to a point where then that becomes your life, those spot pay spots, as opposed to like, the grander goal of turning out material, which is, when Mark and I were coming up, we watched guys like you, or Louis, or people turned over the jokes. And, and to us, that was the move, but it is scary when you're new at the Cellar, or one of those clubs.

• 44:33Mark Normand?

  I get it, I get it.

• 44:34Sam Morril?

  And all of a sudden, you're like, I got no spots? What the fuck, I've been killing. And then you're like, oh, this, this is arbitrary, this is meaningless. Like, you, you have to do it for you and not for the spots, you know?

• 44:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I think there's a way to teeter both sides. Get the do out and still kill, that is a muscle.

• 44:49Sam Morril?

  But it's a skill, as Jim is saying.

• 44:50Mark Normand?

  But I think every guy's gonna learn, just like you learn the skill of stand-up, that's part of stand-up, that's a tool on the belt, I think.

• 44:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think we just get comfortable, you know? Yeah, that too. And writing is hard. It's hard to sit down and do the fucking work and have the discipline. And also, what works, you know, for six months, suddenly that becomes stale. So you have to fix it up. And you're like, you're like, oh, I go on the subway. And I always think of a line. It's like, no, that worked a long time. Then you have to sit there and- This is my lucky car right here. This is the train. Something about, I do believe that, I believe that environment, I mean, I'm such a nerd about this. I believe- I love it. Environment is a key contributor to your ability to write. So I believe a little bit of a home team helps.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  So like, they know your point of view, they're rooting for you. That's why, like, if you go to LA, it's like those LA comics in Largo. You're like, it's like Moses going on stage. Right. Because they know him. Yes. They know him beyond the name. They know the point of view. They've developed a relationship. But I also think that- That can be a curse, too. The shape of the room, like, if, look, I think the Cellar is beyond a doubt one of the best comedy clubs, or the most important comedy clubs in America. But I think if people are walking by, that's not good- I agree. For, that's great for interactive, that's great for developing short jokes, that's great for certain things.

• 46:23Speaker 04

  But like, a stage, like, even Eastville New York Comedy Club, that's a great setting for, for a little bit of both. But I think like Gotham or the old Carolines was- Hmm. Was presentational. And the thing about presentational is that I believe stand-up is a, you know, some of it, it's like- It's it's a question of like the value of crowd work like I think it's definitely a skill. I think that it is also in some ways a waste of time.

• 47:02Sam Morril?

  Sure.

• 47:03Mark Normand?

  I agree.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 47:04Sam Morril?

  It's like sugar. It's like it's fun, but it's not, I need real food.

• 47:09Mark Normand?

  No nutritional value.

• 47:10Sam Morril?

  You it's they're kind of like, all right, for dessert, it's fine. At the end, it's fine. But you need a base. You need a real food.

• 47:16Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 47:16Sam Morril?

  And the material is the real food.

• 47:18Mark Normand?

  Yeah, no one's quoting Chris Rock's crowd work from 10 years ago.

• 47:21Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 47:22Mark Normand?

  They're quoting the great bit.

• 47:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 47:23Sam Morril?

  And you're someone who clearly labors over chunks. I mean, like when I think of chunks, like you brought up Goldman. Goldman's great at chunks.

• 47:30Mark Normand?

  Great chunks.

• 47:31Sam Morril?

  And it's a skill to keep the the ball in the air, so to speak. Like, you're really good at that. I mean, that's and that's. When you're building bits like that, does it do you are you flooded with ideas? Or is it like, this is brick by brick. I had one thought on a on, you know, bacon and now it's. Or like, how do you how does that process work?

• 47:50Speaker 04

  I mean, it's some of it's brick by brick. It's. But it also is, that's the other balance is like, how long?

• 48:01Mark Normand?

  Yes, yes.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, right? Because, you know, and I debate this with Jerry because Jerry's like, why are you in a rush? Which is a very intelligent, because some of Jerry's longer jokes. The reason they're so long is because he had.

• 48:18Mark Normand?

  10 years old.

• 48:19Speaker 04

  He had this chapter with it, then he put it away and then he brings it back and he can add. Two more sections to that chunk, which makes it so brilliant. What I learned in doing the bacon jokes is if you get long enough. On a topic and you're not reintroducing the topic, you can throw in a B or a C level joke. In the middle of this A chunk.

• 48:43Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 48:43Speaker 04

  And it gets longer and longer. So like, the the kind of like, that's a cute observation can slide in. And I'm not talking about like it being filler, but it's.

• 48:56Speaker 04

  You know, there's a different purpose.

• 48:58Sam Morril?

  Well, points for keeping it going, too, is like, I think the crowd's like, holy shit, he's still, I mean, I remember when I saw it on Letterman, when you did that bit. And you go, you can't tell me Kevin Bacon's success is not, like, his name is not.

• 49:08Mark Normand?

  You got that in there.

• 49:09Sam Morril?

  But you got that. I was like, oh, my God, he's just gonna keep going. It was a thing. I think we were watching with my family and

• 49:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 49:15Sam Morril?

  Everyone was laughing. They were like, holy shit, he's just still going on one subject.

• 49:19Mark Normand?

  Your bit about the password strength on the internet, we won't get into it. I know it's probably, is that on anything yet? Is that still newish?

• 49:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's on, that's on the Hulu.

• 49:28Mark Normand?

  Okay. That bit, I watched you work that out of Gotham, and I could see people hitting each other going, I know what he mean. Oh, it is weak. Oh, yeah. That, to me, that's when it's like, when it's a magic show. Like, everybody's on board. But if you go, what is that, your mom? I thought you were fucking her. You know, you're like, who gives a fuck? That doesn't, it's, it's quick for four seconds, but that

• 49:48Speaker 04

  It's awkwardness.

• 49:49Mark Normand?

  Password thing, that hits home. And you're like, it brings everybody together in a weird way.

• 49:53Sam Morril?

  Yeah, and I agree. There is a place for crowd work, but it's like, it's, it's bonus. It's not the main thing. I think, I think, you know.

• 49:59Mark Normand?

  Get the clip and move on.

• 50:00Sam Morril?

  Sure.

• 50:00Speaker 04

  And I think also, it's, it's, it's bad training for the audience.

• 50:07Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  If, if they get a taste for it, they're like, aren't you gonna talk to, you know, and when I say me, they mean the entire audience. So you don't have to talk to me, but talk to someone.

• 50:17Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 50:18Sam Morril?

  We know these rooms, too. There's rooms like, I remember playing like Governors, and I'm like, oh, they're just gonna talk the whole time.

• 50:24Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:24Sam Morril?

  They just talk at the table. I'm like, you know, I'm here. Like, I'm on stage.

• 50:28Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 50:28Sam Morril?

  Those are always the weird ones, too, where you're like, you're like, oh, you didn't, you're, they're having dinner and you're just there.

• 50:34Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 50:35Sam Morril?

  Those are the weird gigs.

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're fasci, I mean, it's

• 50:39Mark Normand?

  Fascinating.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  It is so fascinating.

• 50:41Mark Normand?

  It's a show.

• 50:42Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 50:42Mark Normand?

  Shut the fuck up.

• 50:43Speaker 02

  Didn't the woman just start a conversation with you while you were on stage last week?

• 50:46Mark Normand?

  She kept heckling me, and I had to do one of these where you're like, you play with it at first, you get a couple laughs out of it, and then you're like, I gotta get back to my act. And, but you can feel her sitting there, and you know she's gonna say something again, so you can't focus, because you just don't know what she's gonna yell out.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  The worst.

• 51:00Mark Normand?

  And then eventually she yelled out again, and I was like, can we do something here? And then the guy throws her out, which is so fucking annoying, because I think

• 51:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, then you look like the town.

• 51:07Mark Normand?

  Exactly.

• 51:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:08Mark Normand?

  Crowd work makes people think like, oh, I'll yell, and the, the poor security guy's like, is this a crowd work moment, or is this a disruption?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Probably drunk, and, you know, in her logic, she thought she was helping.

• 51:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it was my wife.

• 51:22Sam Morril?

  But you know, it's like, it's also different when you're doing an hour twenty or whatever on the road versus those fifteen minute club sets where you're like, I need, I need to figure out a joke right here. Yeah. But if I'm an hour twenty, I don't give, I'll indulge it if it's a long set. Sure. But when it's those short sets, you're like, I really, also, it can change the energy of the room for the next comic. It, crowd work on those short sets can be annoying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a precious amount of time, but.

• 51:45Speaker 04

  I remember when, um, there used to be a big thing where, I don't think it happens anymore, but this is like in the nineties, there were, there would be people that would go on stage and bring a drink. They would go on stage with a drink and they would be like, and maybe people do it now.

• 52:04Sam Morril?

  I do that.

• 52:05Speaker 04

  But in some ways, it's like, you can't go fifteen minutes.

• 52:10Sam Morril?

  Oh.

• 52:11Speaker 04

  It used to be more of like, people would go on stage and during the set, they would smoke a cigarette. And by the way, I did that. I would smoke.

• 52:18Sam Morril?

  You smoked cigarettes?

• 52:19Speaker 04

  I smoked cigarettes. And, but like, some of that's, that's your character.

• 52:24Sam Morril?

  I'm doing a cig hail, what is that?

• 52:26Speaker 04

  I'm talking, no, I'm talking about.

• 52:27Sam Morril?

  Oh, you're showing them I'm holding a drink. Like literal, I need a cocktail. Literally a taping.

• 52:31Speaker 04

  I'm not talking about like, this is a celebration. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about like, I need a sip of water to, because I'm gonna be working so hard for seven minutes. I'm not talking about, you know, Ron White historically would drink like a fifth.

• 52:48Sam Morril?

  Yeah, tequila.

• 52:49Speaker 04

  It's like, that's fine, even though obviously that's probably not fine to drink. But like, I'm talking about like, the people that are like, I can't get through this set without a sip of my water. Now, if you're like, if you're like, having a drink and you're like, part of, it's a party of a, a, part of a party atmosphere on Saturday night, that's different. I'm talking about like, you can't get through. Like, I need a sip of my drink. It's like, it's a 15-minute set.

• 53:17Mark Normand?

  I, I, I see what you're saying. Yeah, but back to keeping the ball in the air. You know who's the king of that, that no one talks about is Regan. Regan could mine a, a premise for everything it was worth and beat it out like a, he was every part of the buffalo. And it's incredible to watch that, that bit about him trying to weigh his, weigh his, uh, package. And he, the guy's like, step on the scale with the package. Now he's like, now I can't see the numbers. I mean, it's so long and every inch of it is flawless.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, Regan, unbelievable, unbelievable. I mean, when I started, I think that like, there was these awards, like, I remember I was opening, I took, um, Amtrak, I thought I would take Amtrak to Buffalo one week and then I would take Amtrak from Buffalo to Cleveland.

• 54:08Mark Normand?

  What, are you homeless? Jeez.

• 54:10Speaker 04

  I've done those. I used to do that. 14 hours. I used to do that all the time. It was just so brutal. And then I'm just bombing the entire. And so like, and then I think like, I had been recommended by the DC Improv and someone was like, why would the DC, like, the manager literally said, why would the DC Improv recommend you? And I was like, I don't know. But, but I remember in Cleveland, there used to be these different comedy magazines. And I saw that the American Comedy Award, that Regan, cause you used to only be able to win it once. And he won it twice. I didn't even know there was this existence.

• 54:51Mark Normand?

  I didn't either.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  This was back in the 90s, you know?

• 54:53Mark Normand?

  Interesting.

• 54:54Speaker 04

  This was these, it wasn't even newspaper, it was tablet. They, no.

• 55:01Speaker 04

  You started, you started with Geraldo. You, you were tied with Geraldo, right? Yeah.

• 55:05Mark Normand?

  And he wanted to be Regan and you wanted to be a tell, I heard. And then it flopped.

• 55:08Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 55:09Mark Normand?

  It flip flopped.

• 55:09Speaker 04

  It totally, it totally flip flopped. And, uh, and when we met, we were both, I was an account manager in an advertising agency and he was a lawyer. He was at some. Highfalutin law firm, and so we were the only people. It was at Sweetwater's, which is, was on Second Avenue and, or First Avenue, or Lexington and 53rd. It was upstairs.

• 55:39Speaker 04

  But it was, uh, now I can't, I'm blanking, but like, um, yeah, I met him and, you know, it was, it was like, I was like, he thought, he thought I was funny and I thought he was funny and, and.

• 55:52Sam Morril?

  Early on, when you meet someone who you're like, fucking good, you're like, oh my, you like grab onto them.

• 55:56Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 55:57Sam Morril?

  Like a fucking, like a life.

• 55:58Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 55:59Sam Morril?

  Like a life right after.

• 55:59Mark Normand?

  Free internet, so it's not like you have this community online where you can talk to somebody. This is like, I, I need a guy, I'm lonely.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, and that was like, that wasn't like, hey, let me get your cell phone number. It was like, where, where are you going next?

• 56:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 56:14Sam Morril?

  Were you hitting the mics with them?

• 56:15Speaker 04

  So like, eventually Geraldo, because Geraldo was so engaging. I mean, so funny, but so engaging, like people immediately liked him.

• 56:26Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 56:26Speaker 04

  So he would, and he was from Queens, so he could do the city and Long Island, right? And so he would, I would meet him in Long Island. And so sometimes I would take the Long Island Railroad to, uh, to, to do chuckles and to do, uh, or governors, and he was the only reason I would get on because he could communicate. Cause I was like this blonde guy in khakis, you know, like, like, uh, who's this fag?

• 56:55Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  So I was not like, um, I was like a, I remember like, I was a college guy, a guy who went to college. Like it was so absurd. And now it's like a very upper, upper middle class occupation.

• 57:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 04

  I would say, but back then it was like, it was.

• 57:15Mark Normand?

  Rough and tumble.

• 57:16Speaker 04

  It was, you know, like, uh, it would just be weird. It would, if, if it was, you know, like there were intellectual comics, but like no one liked them.

• 57:27Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Sam Morril?

  I know you mean.

• 57:28Speaker 04

  Does that make sense?

• 57:29Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I feel like Dennis Miller in Monday Night Football was like a punchline. Cause the words he was using, you know, you're like, yeah. But, um, did you like really, who did late night first, you or Greg, do you remember?

• 57:40Speaker 04

  Oh, Greg did everything first. I mean, well, we, Greg and I both, so.

• 57:47Speaker 04

  There was the most prestigious show outside besides Letterman or The Tonight Show was Caroline's Comedy Hour. So like that was the one that was approachable. They would do, um, so like Colin hosted that and then well, you know, again, Colin was so big that like he would just host Caroline's, right? And he would, but like, so then there was a new season where it was gonna be Richard Jenny was the host and they were looking for, uh, they wanted to get a couple new comics. Mm hmm.

• 58:30Speaker 04

  And, uh, so Geraldo and I both auditioned, both got it by, uh, and so that was like, oh my gosh, here we go. Yeah. And so then, then he got managed by Caroline's. We, uh, they wanted to manage him. Does that mean that Caroline Hirsch is your manager? No. Or Lou Ferrign? She was starting, that was the preeminent club and so she was starting a management company. So she hired managers and Greg was one of their first clients. And because they, because of Caroline, they had such incredible connections. So like they had influence in who could go to Montreal.

• 59:13Speaker 04

  Obviously Greg got Montreal on him, on his own, but like then Greg got Montreal. Mm hmm. Is Montreal dead right now? Is that festival? Yeah. It is coming back, I heard. It is. A new guy bought it. Like herpes. Yeah, right, right. Can't get rid of it. But so he got Montreal and then, um, uh, and he got an agent. So he was like blowing up even before he got to Montreal. And that was when Montreal, there were development deals, $500,000. Oh, yeah. $300,000 and. You seem like you're tailor made for like a sitcom back in the day. Uh, well, you know, and so, but, oh, but you know what I think is also, you'll get a kick out of this. So at that.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  Caroline's taping, a comedian came down from Canada who was, uh, she was really funny. And she was like, and it was Bonnie McFarlane.

• 1:00:08Sam Morril?

  Oh.

• 1:00:08Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  So Bonnie, and then Ian Bag came down later from Canada, but like, but like that was. So I remember like Bonnie, like everyone was in love with Bonnie.

• 1:00:20Sam Morril?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  We're like, oh, my God.

• 1:00:22Mark Normand?

  Cute, great jokes.

• 1:00:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Mark Normand?

  Dark.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  And she's still beautiful.

• 1:00:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah, she looks great.

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Looking the same as she did like 25 years ago.

• 1:00:29Sam Morril?

  And so dry and sarcastic.

• 1:00:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, so funny and just like you, she knew exactly who she was. It was pretty impressive.

• 1:00:36Mark Normand?

  The Rich Foss thing is still confusing. It's fascinating.

• 1:00:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 1:00:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but also comedy, when I started, I was doing the alt world. That, that still was kind of the remnants of that were still there. And they have all these clubs that you were doing, but it was comedy was still kind of underground niche.

• 1:00:54Sam Morril?

  Mark and I kind of met in the middle.

• 1:00:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Sam Morril?

  Kind of more in the alt and I was more of a clubby and like, we started hanging out and then we, Mark would come to the strip with me and we would like. But you were interesting because you were.

• 1:01:04Mark Normand?

  There's nothing there.

• 1:01:05Sam Morril?

  Well, you also.

• 1:01:05Mark Normand?

  It's a ghostland.

• 1:01:06Sam Morril?

  But you started, like, there's not a lot of comics who have like steady acting careers. You've been in so much stuff. If you, if we pull up his IMDB page, it's probably insane.

• 1:01:14Mark Normand?

  Well, that too, yeah.

• 1:01:15Sam Morril?

  I remember you were on like that 70's show.

• 1:01:17Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:17Sam Morril?

  I mean, you were on.

• 1:01:18Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Super Troopers.

• 1:01:19Speaker 04

  Well, some, I love, I love the, uh, I love acting. It's like, I always thought that I would be able to like, create this acting career that would, but it's like, I don't know, like how many times I, I've done these indies and, and I'm so grateful. And then they'll go to Sundance and I'll be like, like I went to Sundance like four years in a row. And I'm like, I am set.

• 1:01:43Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Speaker 04

  Never have to audition again. And then I don't get an acting role for like two years.

• 1:01:48Mark Normand?

  Cause you turned down Harvey.

• 1:01:49Speaker 04

  No, but like some of it is like, you know, it's, you don't have.

• 1:01:54Sam Morril?

  Which is the one that you thought was gonna be the biggest that just didn't blow up?

• 1:01:58Speaker 04

  Um.

• 1:02:00Speaker 04

  I thought that, uh, I thought that, well, there's, I mean, it's like, which year? You know, like, there's, uh, uh, uh, like, I did this movie Eugene the Marine.

• 1:02:14Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:02:15Speaker 04

  That is, uh, really great. It's a really artistic thing. Uh, it's got all these amazing people in it. And, um, like, pull up Eugene the Marine, because like, that one, I thought that, uh, it would definitely be awards bait. It's about this guy played by, uh, no, I can't even see that far, but. Yeah, Scott Glenn. Oh, he's good. Still, Scott Glenn. He's like eighty. He's like eighty-three, shredded, like, doing pushups in between takes. And he's playing this eighty-year-old, and it's kind of this horror film, kind of, uh, uh, an homage to the

• 1:02:59Speaker 04

  giallo Italian types of film. And I thought, oh, this'll definitely go to Sundance.

• 1:03:07Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  Or, um.

• 1:03:09Mark Normand?

  Cannes.

• 1:03:10Speaker 04

  Or, or Cannes, or even Toronto. And some of it is, it didn't. You know what I mean? I'm just like, I don't understand it. It's like Scott Glenn, I think is, I haven't watched White Lotus. I think he's on White Lotus. It's like.

• 1:03:22Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:23Speaker 04

  This is like. He's the dad. You know, one of these things where you're like, I can't understand that. But then, like, there's American Dreamer, where I thought for sure that would go somewhere. Yeah, you're grading that, yeah. Linoleum, I thought for sure that would go somewhere. And these directors. You're good at being scary in movies. Oh, thanks. It's shocking, because it's just like, oh shit, he's not. But all these great directors and. Yeah. And then I, you know, I did Peter Pan, where I played Mr. Smee, and, and that was David Lowery. I'm like, oh, here we go.

• 1:03:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, right.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  No one saw it. And I'm like, all right, but that's all right.

• 1:03:57Mark Normand?

  Is it true, speaking of acting, you got your own show? I remember that was a big deal. You had a lot of comics on it. And then you pulled the plug.

• 1:04:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was, because we kind of created, uh. A really impossible situation where it was autobiographical. Yep. The shows were written by my wife and I. Obviously, we had some help from people. Mm hmm. And we were, I was portraying myself and, and we had five young kids. So like the, imagine like both, and you know, there are plenty of couples where both, both spouses work. Yeah. But like, we're working like 16 hour days and it's like, this is insane. Yeah. This is, you know, we can pull this off, but like if you're, do you want to do it right?

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  And it's like, it's not like I'm some great dad, you know, I travel too much too, but like at least one parent's there. Right. Whereas opposed to us both being gone and we're in the city and then you have, I mean, you're, your kid's so young, but you'll have these babysitters and you'll be like, okay, they're good, but like they're pouring sugar on toast. Oh, yeah. And you're like, as much as I think she's a great grandmotherly figure, she shouldn't be. Yeah. Eating our children breakfast. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. And so, yeah, it was kind of that bad. That's what's weird also is the, the appeal.

• 1:05:30Speaker 04

  If either of you were given an opportunity for a TV show, you would make less money. That's, that's the other thing. It's a weird. Isn't that amazing? Weird state of the industry. And by the way, more people would see you. Uh huh. In a Netflix special or a special on Hulu or Amazon or whatever, or YouTube even. Mm hmm. Then a, a TV show on one of the great streamers and there's a lot of great streaming platforms. But like, I saw an ad for, um, I saw Billy Bob Thornton do this incredible speech. And I was like, what movie is that from? And it's from some TV show, Landman. Yo, it's good.

• 1:06:11Speaker 04

  And, and I'm like, I've never even heard of that. And I'm not like, oh, I don't know what's going on. Like I know what's going on. I'm like, and it's like. It's a big show. Yeah. It's like. Taylor Sheridan. Sheridan, yeah. There's too many shows like. Right. But you know, like, how many of the Taylor Sheridan shows have you watched? Just like the first season of Yellow. That's because you're gay. Phil Man, you would have watched all of them.

• 1:06:34Sam Morril?

  His dude, his, he wrote so many good movies like.

• 1:06:37Mark Normand?

  Hell of a high water.

• 1:06:37Sam Morril?

  Wind River, uh, all these like he had, Sicario is great.

• 1:06:41Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's him?

• 1:06:43Sam Morril?

  Yeah, he made, he is, I think he wrote prisoners too. He wrote like, he had a, he had a run of like crazy.

• 1:06:48Mark Normand?

  What a talent.

• 1:06:48Sam Morril?

  Yeah. Um.

• 1:06:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know how he does all that.

• 1:06:52Mark Normand?

  I don't either.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:06:54Sam Morril?

  He's got like a $600 million ranch in Texas.

• 1:06:56Mark Normand?

  I, I bet. Jesus.

• 1:06:59Sam Morril?

  That he shoots on and uses as a write off.

• 1:07:00Speaker 04

  But is he happy? Yeah, no, he's thrilled. For real. Yeah, but is he really happy? No, he's really happy.

• 1:07:08Mark Normand?

  He's very happy.

• 1:07:09Speaker 04

  Creatively fulfilled, a billionaire. I think he's doing all right.

• 1:07:13Sam Morril?

  You always gotta find a hole.

• 1:07:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:15Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:16Speaker 04

  But you know what?

• 1:07:16Sam Morril?

  You're in so much shit. I, I was watching TV the other day and it was just like a movie with Alec Baldwin and Salma Hayek. And then I was like, holy shit, that's Jim Gaffigan.

• 1:07:23Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:07:23Sam Morril?

  You just like popped up, you pop up in so many things.

• 1:07:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, I love working. It's fun, right?

• 1:07:29Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:30Speaker 04

  It's fun.

• 1:07:30Sam Morril?

  I like it.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Just trying to get my dad to like me.

• 1:07:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah. But that's the question. Back in the day, everybody watched one show, you know, the whole country got together and watched one show or one Letterman or one whatever. Now we have a million splintered avenues. Is that better? Or is that worse? Cause Land Man's a good show and no one's heard of it. No one's seen it.

• 1:07:51Sam Morril?

  People are watching that.

• 1:07:52Mark Normand?

  People are watching, but he's in the business.

• 1:07:54Sam Morril?

  I know, but it's renewed.

• 1:07:56Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 1:07:57Sam Morril?

  It doesn't take shows a couple of seasons to get an audience.

• 1:08:00Speaker 04

  Is it Apple?

• 1:08:01Sam Morril?

  I don't know.

• 1:08:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  I don't even know what stream.

• 1:08:04Mark Normand?

  Exactly.

• 1:08:04Sam Morril?

  I didn't, I saw a couple of clips, cause.

• 1:08:06Mark Normand?

  Every now you get a White Lotus, which is like taking over the zeitgeist. You get a Squid Game. You get that one show that somehow punches breaking beds and all those type. I mean, that's older, but like. It's hard to get that breakout show now.

• 1:08:18Sam Morril?

  White Lotus. I, I understand that he's a good writer, but I don't think, it's something about it that doesn't hit for me. Like everyone's like this fucking insane. This monologue by Sam Rockwell. And I'm like, he just likes fucking Asians?

• 1:08:28Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that, that was.

• 1:08:29Sam Morril?

  That's the monologue? People were praising this as like the greatest monologue ever. And he's like, I love Asian shit.

• 1:08:33Speaker 04

  But I think it is, it is so bizarre how.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  Some of it is like, I think Mike White does have a touch for what the zeitgeist.

• 1:08:45Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:08:46Sam Morril?

  Totally, clearly. I'm the, I'm the odd one out. I'm just saying, it's like, it's like almost like vacation porn meets like murder. He's gotten all the things that people.

• 1:08:53Speaker 04

  Rich people being like.

• 1:08:54Mark Normand?

  Annoying.

• 1:08:55Speaker 04

  No, rich people are bad. We all know rich people are bad. Like, I'm not like that, but I know someone like that. So, rich people like it.

• 1:09:02Mark Normand?

  Then they had that Trump conversation with the two liberal people. That's very interesting because that's happening and you don't see that on TV. That's happens all the time and that's a huge part of our country and no one brings it up.

• 1:09:11Sam Morril?

  I acknowledge that it's interesting. I even read a profile on the New Yorker and I was like, wow, he sounds like a really interesting man. Like, he just has like, he's like an interesting dude. You know, I didn't know he was on The Amazing Race with his dad.

• 1:09:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:21Sam Morril?

  They're both gay dudes. There's like so many things going on. And, uh, and he's been around, and he's been around forever. Like, he's been just plugging away forever.

• 1:09:28Mark Normand?

  No, dude. School of Rock, School of Rock, it's him.

• 1:09:30Sam Morril?

  Great.

• 1:09:31Mark Normand?

  That's him.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  Also, one of my favorite shows was, uh, you think I'd know the name of it, but it was with, uh, it was on HBO. So amazing.

• 1:09:42Mark Normand?

  Enlightened?

• 1:09:44Speaker 04

  Um, yes.

• 1:09:45Mark Normand?

  Yes, so good.

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  Unbelievable.

• 1:09:47Mark Normand?

  He gets into that crazy mind. He's so good at it. And she was like a activist, annoying activist lady.

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. And so there's, I think he kinda captures just, and like that was, that came out before. Like, that was kind of this commentary on.

• 1:10:07Mark Normand?

  Narcissism.

• 1:10:08Speaker 04

  Narcissism and also, it's, it's a strange kind of commentary on, uh, female empowerment going wrong.

• 1:10:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. He's basically saying women are crazy.

• 1:10:21Speaker 04

  It wasn't.

• 1:10:21Sam Morril?

  Is there any other kind?

• 1:10:22Speaker 04

  It wasn't that flat footed, right?

• 1:10:24Mark Normand?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:10:26Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Mark Normand?

  Exactly. He's so good with the layers and the nuance and.

• 1:10:29Sam Morril?

  All right, I'll give it another chance.

• 1:10:30Mark Normand?

  It's good. And he can do the, the twists and turns too with the mystery shit.

• 1:10:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:35Sam Morril?

  Jim, what like, what are, what are your top movies like ever? What do you, what do you go top movies ever?

• 1:10:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  Gosh, it's been a while. It's so weird when it ends up with Rodney Dangerfield on the screensaver. Uh, God, what do I love? Like, what did I love? I mean, I.

• 1:10:54Speaker 04

  Um, I don't know. I mean, it's like, I wanna say It's a Wonderful Life for that, but. That's a great movie. It is a good movie. I loved Apostle with Robert Duvall. Never seen it. Heard it's great. It's really good. It's a lot of great story, uh, in that, um. He's always good. You know, but I love, uh, I love a lot of Alexander Payne stuff. Oh, love Payne. I could see you in that type of movie. I would love to do that. Yeah, Sideways is as good as it gets, man. Yeah, and so there's, but I love like, um. Is that what he looks like? Yeah, yeah. So some of that, that comedy of that, even though like I think, and I'm, I liked the last one he did.

• 1:11:39Speaker 04

  But it was just like, um, but he captures a comedy that is, um,

• 1:11:48Speaker 04

  not as, uh, and, and by the way, it's different from what we do. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. But I love the fact that it kind of, it's interesting that we're talking about him with Mike White, because they're both have this, uh, approach to like, these characters that are not traditional. So like Mike White and also Alexander Payne, you know, supposedly on Sideways, uh, George Clooney really wanted to be in it. And Alexander Payne was like, no, I don't want him. I want this, I want this TV guy. Thomas Hayden Church. And Thomas Hayden Church was amazing. Killed it. He's so funny in it. And I'm sure Mike White picks whoever the hell he wants. Yeah.

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  White Lotus. I auditioned for White Lotus. Whoa. The first one during the pandemic. It was the, uh. Patrick Schwarzenegger role? No, no, no. The first season. It was the, uh, the guy, he was so good. He was the Australian guy who ends up eating ass. Oh, yeah. It's been a while. Hold on. Pull up the, the poster.

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  I think he's the hotel, the hotel. Oh, the hotel guy. Uh, Murray, whatever his name. Oh, guy who gets got, right? Yeah. The drug addict. Yeah, he gets, uh, and then, um.

• 1:13:06Sam Morril?

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  It's weird, cuz it's like, I don't know.

• 1:13:11Mark Normand?

  Don't you hate that when you have a dish for commercials? And then you're like on the road bombing at the hotel and you see the commercial with the guy and he looks just like you? And you're like, god damn it, you're just a little better looking.

• 1:13:21Speaker 04

  Well, I look at that and I'm like, why would he think I would be right for that character?

• 1:13:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I was thinking that too.

• 1:13:27Sam Morril?

  I mean, you probably look at a wide range of people, right?

• 1:13:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Speaker 02

  I also just found out that every actor since this first season earned the same amount of money.

• 1:13:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:36Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Across the board, everyone made thirty thousand an episode. Maybe forty thousand an episode.

• 1:13:42Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:43Mark Normand?

  I looked up the resort in Thailand, it's a four seasons.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:47Mark Normand?

  It's like five hundred a night.

• 1:13:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, and by the way, so like, here's the other thing. I didn't read the article and I don't know if this is just clickbait, but, you know, cuz we talk about navigating the zeitgeist, right? Supposedly, and I only watched the first episode, but Carrie Coon's character in, there was a whole storyline where she had a kid that was trans. And that storyline was cut.

• 1:14:13Sam Morril?

  Cuz of Trump.

• 1:14:14Speaker 04

  And not, not because of Trump, but because I think that like, we do live in this, uh, day and age where people, like, there's a fatigue surrounding it.

• 1:14:27Sam Morril?

  You know what it is though, also, it's like, they did it in Fargo, and it was a really good season, I thought, but they did in Fargo with the kids, like, you know, non-binary? And it does get to a point where you're like, alright, but the math isn't adding up. It's like when you watch TV and every judge is a black woman and you're like, you're doing this to do this now.

• 1:14:44Mark Normand?

  Well, that says something about Mike White, that he's like, hey, maybe they'll think this, so I won't do this, you know? He's, he's three steps ahead of us.

• 1:14:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Well, he often does show both sides of an issue.

• 1:14:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  So I think showing the other side of the trans issue, um, is not cute now. Where, you know, because of the Tonyan laws that Trump put in place.

• 1:15:05Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  I think it's sort of like, I don't think we should show the other side here.

• 1:15:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:09Speaker 04

  Well, you know, but I actually think it's different from that. I think that the evolution is that you don't get hero points for portraying it. There's an exhaustion, like you're saying of being exposed to it. And that's not, it's an, it's not an a fearful fearful or unempathetic take on it. It's just kind of like, also.

• 1:15:35Mark Normand?

  It's been done.

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  Why give, you know, if half the country was like, we are so sick of that stuff. Please stop. He knew to like, oh, all right, we don't need it anyway.

• 1:15:48Mark Normand?

  Right. That's what I'm saying.

• 1:15:50Sam Morril?

  Is it making the show better? I mean, and there's so many people are watching this stuff as escapism.

• 1:15:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:15:55Sam Morril?

  And, and so many shows now are like work. And you don't want to like, turn on a show to zone out, especially a show like this. And you're just like, why, why are you throwing this at me right now? I'm trying to watch this.

• 1:16:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:06Sam Morril?

  Trying to watch a murder take place.

• 1:16:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:08Sam Morril?

  Why are you throwing? No, I.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  But I kind of lost, you know, like even the first episode where it was like, and I don't know if I really, you know, I think I gave up on the second, uh, the second season. But, and Mike White is brilliant. And if he's watching this by chance, I really want to be in, uh, but like, that first episode where I was like, and the guy's like, there's someone shooting. I'm like, okay. And then we're going to spend the whole season. It's like, who was the shooter?

• 1:16:35Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  Who was the person coming undone? It was a, this guy was a, this guy, which reminded me of the first season where the casket, it's like, all right, who's in the casket? Who's, why is that guy upset? We're going to find out.

• 1:16:53Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  Right?

• 1:16:54Mark Normand?

  Isn't that just his, his style? I guess it's a move?

• 1:16:56Speaker 04

  That's, that's probably effective storytelling.

• 1:16:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:17:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:01Mark Normand?

  I, I think he knows, he knows what he's doing.

• 1:17:03Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:04Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think, welcome back to the Mike White Show.

• 1:17:09Mark Normand?

  Funny guy.

• 1:17:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:11Mark Normand?

  Talented guy.

• 1:17:11Speaker 04

  Great. And enlightened, one of the, I can't believe that that didn't.

• 1:17:17Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 1:17:18Sam Morril?

  I got, maybe I should watch it. What, what are your go to shows when you're on the road and you're like, I just want to zone out? Like what's like a, what's a good comfort show for you?

• 1:17:26Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:17:26Speaker 04

  I love, I'm a news junkie. So I.

• 1:17:29Mark Normand?

  Oh no, be careful.

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  I, no, I totally. Um, but, uh. You zone out to Stossel? John Stossel. Why is my mustache not getting gray? No, uh. So, yeah, no, I don't really, like, I loved, uh. I loved, what's the, uh, the Apple show that everyone loves with Adam Scott? I love the. Severance. Severance. I love the first season. Everyone's like, the second season, you gotta watch it. I still haven't watched it. Yeah. I love the first season of, uh, Game of Thrones, Offshoot, Iron Eagle, what it's called. Really? Then the second season. I, I couldn't get into, uh, and so.

• 1:18:16Speaker 04

  It's just like, now I'm so impatient. I don't have the commitment. To even start something. And some of it is figuring out. It's navigating what to watch with my wife, with my kids. And so. We end up. Like my, I have like a 12, 13, 15 year old at home and the other two are at college. So it's usually. A horror film. That's what. Ah. Escapes the veto proof thing. Or, um. But like, I, I can't. I, I will, you know, like sometimes I'll push in.

• 1:18:56Speaker 04

  An Ari Aster movie. I'll be like, we're watching Midsomer and they're like. Oh, geez. And my wife will be, and my wife, who, when we were dating, we would watch a lot of indie films. It's like, oh my God, Jesus Christ, we're trying to relax. Why are we watching an Ari Aster movie? But he's brilliant. Yeah, he's great. He's in Hereditary, right? Oh. Yeah, no, so like, we watched that and she's like, what are we doing? Scary. Yeah, yeah. I was just like, I love it. So, but like, that fits in that kind of horror, horror adjacent where I can. I'll dip into that if I'm gonna pull my, uh, dad card thing, but it's a lot of. Like, I'm trying to think of like a horror film, but it's usually like. You know, a horror film that a 12 and a 13 year old would wanna watch.

• 1:19:42Speaker 04

  So, but on the road, I'm like. I'm just consuming news about how our economy is about to collapse, stuff like that. Good stuff. And just also mindful of that. Right as we're all announcing new tours. That is a horror film in a weird way. Yeah. It's bizarre how we're processing it and how there's a certain denial and... Canada's mad at us. Never thought I'd see that. I mean, Canada, let me, let me tell you this. I did this as a joke when I was in Vancouver and, by the way, those audiences in Vancouver were amazing. I love, I'm going there soon. I love Vancouver. Great town.

• 1:20:16Speaker 04

  Amazing audiences. And so I have this joke where I talk about, I make a reference to, I think it's, uh, son of, uh, some serial killer's, uh, son of Sam or whatever. And, or maybe it was taxi driver where the guy was like, "I'm gonna shoot the president to impress this girl," right?

• 1:20:37Speaker 04

  And so I have this joke where this dog tells me to shoot the president. And, um, and so I do that joke and so, and every time I do it, there's some audiences that don't get the fact that it's a serial killer reference and they think it's me proposing to shoot Trump and they go bananas, right? Uh huh. In Canada. Oh, God. It would turn into an... They hand you the gun? And, and so what, and then I would kind of riff on it afterwards. I was like, you know, cause I've been doing stand-up long enough. I remember when we, so like, as from my perspective, as an American, when you would do a show in, in Europe,

• 1:21:21Speaker 04

  there would be a little condescending. You guys have done international shows, right? And so, and the English are just kind of condescending in general, but they, but when we would deal with, so when we went through the Gulf War, post nine 11, the Gulf War, it's like, there was a moment when we lost the Irish and I was like, "Oh my God, I can't believe the Irish." And as an Irish American, I was like, that's kinda sad.

• 1:21:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:48Speaker 04

  But the Canadians were always like, yeah, you know.

• 1:21:51Mark Normand?

  Yeah, what are you gonna do?

• 1:21:51Speaker 04

  You know, it's, you know, it's not you, it's your government.

• 1:21:54Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:21:55Speaker 04

  Foreign policy.

• 1:21:56Mark Normand?

  Sorry.

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  And so, but my joke was like, I would bring that up, that the Canadians were always there. And now the Canadians are like, we hate you.

• 1:22:04Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:05Speaker 04

  You know, and they would.

• 1:22:06Sam Morril?

  Oh, they're ready to scrap, dude.

• 1:22:07Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:08Speaker 04

  They are, they're furious.

• 1:22:10Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. They were the upstairs neighbor that was boring. You know, Mexico was the neighbor you were like, oh, this guy's a little unhinged. But now they're the angry neighbor.

• 1:22:18Sam Morril?

  It feels like our parents are gonna do a divorce and they're like, is it our dad's fault? Yeah.

• 1:22:22Speaker 04

  I went to, I went to, um, a whiskey bar in Vancouver, cause, you know, I'm an alcoholic. I do that in every city now. And.

• 1:22:32Mark Normand?

  Welcome.

• 1:22:32Speaker 04

  Went to this Irish, uh, it had an Irish name, but it's whiskeys from around the world. Right?

• 1:22:40Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  And those bars are amazing. There's amazing ones all across the country too, by the way. And so, went in there, sat down, and I don't like Scotch. You know, I'll, I'll, I'll try Canadian whiskey if I'm in Canada, you know. I'll, you know, if I'm in Ireland, I'll eat, I'll drink Irish whiskey, but I like bourbon.

• 1:23:03Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:23:04Speaker 04

  And so I'm like, alright, I'm gonna get a bourbon. No bourbon.

• 1:23:08Mark Normand?

  Ooh.

• 1:23:08Speaker 04

  I go, this is a world whiskey bar. And they're like, no, we're not selling any American whiskey. And I go.

• 1:23:14Sam Morril?

  Terrorist, baby.

• 1:23:15Speaker 04

  So, did you get rid of it? And they're like, oh, it's, it's back there. We're just not selling it.

• 1:23:19Mark Normand?

  Damn, they're hurting their own.

• 1:23:21Speaker 04

  And some of it was like.

• 1:23:22Sam Morril?

  Holding it hostage.

• 1:23:22Speaker 04

  So it was like, okay, I get it, you know? And then we went back to our hotel that was owned by an American company and I got a bourbon.

• 1:23:30Mark Normand?

  Ah, I mean, did they go all the way with like, no Coke, no, no, uh?

• 1:23:35Speaker 04

  No, I think, I think it comes down, I think some of that.

• 1:23:38Sam Morril?

  You gotta drink Canada Dry, dude.

• 1:23:40Mark Normand?

  I guess so. I bet that's American.

• 1:23:43Speaker 04

  Uh, I mean, even though Coke, I think that, uh, Canada is being, uh, tactical. Like, they're picking red states. So.

• 1:23:53Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:23:54Speaker 04

  Bourbon and rye comes from red states.

• 1:23:57Sam Morril?

  Bodega cat comes from a red state.

• 1:23:59Mark Normand?

  Oh, but Salt and Blue?

• 1:24:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:02Mark Normand?

  We're all over the map.

• 1:24:03Sam Morril?

  All over the map, baby.

• 1:24:04Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. But you were born in a red state.

• 1:24:07Speaker 04

  I am.

• 1:24:07Mark Normand?

  So watch out, Canada.

• 1:24:09Speaker 04

  What about you?

• 1:24:10Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:24:14Speaker 04

  I think, I mean, I think Indiana voted for Obama once.

• 1:24:20Speaker 04

  We're reminiscing.

• 1:24:21Sam Morril?

  Indiana's got a black friend.

• 1:24:25Sam Morril?

  Alright, well shit, we gotta, we gotta wrap this thing up here. Jim, you wanna plug some dates? Are you going out? Are you doing solo?

• 1:24:31Speaker 04

  I'm always, uh, I'm always touring. Uh, but, no, I wanna plug that Father Time Bourbon. You know what would be a perfect gift for Father's Day? A bottle of Bodega Cat and Father Time.

• 1:24:47Sam Morril?

  I love it. Where can people get Father Time?

• 1:24:49Speaker 04

  Cause you need a bourbon and you need a rye on your bar.

• 1:24:52Sam Morril?

  You gotta make the cocktails. What's, uh, where can people buy this?

• 1:24:55Speaker 04

  Father Time dash, uh, uh, Father Time dash Bourbon dot com.

• 1:25:03Sam Morril?

  It's really good stuff, guys. Very nice.

• 1:25:05Speaker 04

  It's not bad.

• 1:25:06Sam Morril?

  We give it the Bodega Cat seal of approval. This is very good whiskey. Jim's got very good, uh, bourbon. Yeah, we had portosis on it, it's horrible.

• 1:25:13Speaker 04

  We're not competitors.

• 1:25:14Sam Morril?

  We're not. We're friends. Maybe we do a collab at some point.

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  We're like Canada and America.

• 1:25:21Sam Morril?

  Go, go get Jim's stuff. See Jim on the road. One of the best comics. Killer.

• 1:25:26Speaker 02

  You got April 25th at Key Bank State Theater.

• 1:25:30Speaker 04

  Yes, going to Cleveland.

• 1:25:31Sam Morril?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  And then, uh, May 1st at the Pace Center in Greenville, and you're going to North Carolina, uh, sorry, Charlotte, South Carolina, North Charleston.

• 1:25:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, that's what I love. Every state, so I invite distilleries. You should do that.

• 1:25:46Sam Morril?

  Ah.

• 1:25:46Speaker 04

  You invite distillery folks to the show. Cause I learned a lot.

• 1:25:51Sam Morril?

  Matt Herman, get off it, get on it. Smart.

• 1:25:53Speaker 04

  And then, so like, uh, and it's, it's fun, you know, and obviously Cincinnati, it's like right next to Kentucky, so there's tons. And then... You know, obviously, there's great rye in Indiana, so.

• 1:26:05Sam Morril?

  Damn, you're doing a lot of shows at the Taff Theater.

• 1:26:07Speaker 04

  Vegas.

• 1:26:07Mark Normand?

  That's a great room.

• 1:26:09Speaker 04

  It's a great room.

• 1:26:09Sam Morril?

  Ooh, the wind. You're doing some fun stuff coming up.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, I'm very excited.

• 1:26:14Mark Normand?

  Foxwoods. And then, uh.

• 1:26:17Sam Morril?

  All over.

• 1:26:17Mark Normand?

  Grand Rapids, Duluth, Atlanta. I hear Duluth is a hidden gem.

• 1:26:21Speaker 04

  Duluth is fun.

• 1:26:22Mark Normand?

  That's what Nate was braving about it.

• 1:26:24Speaker 04

  Yeah. Duluth and also Rochester, Minnesota.

• 1:26:27Mark Normand?

  Oh, I like that.

• 1:26:27Sam Morril?

  Oh, it's a good one. Yeah, I've done a casino there once.

• 1:26:29Mark Normand?

  That's where the Mayo Clinic is.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Yep, that's right.

• 1:26:32Sam Morril?

  I'm checking in, babe.

• 1:26:33Speaker 04

  That's where they have, uh, the biggest bell tower.

• 1:26:36Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Biggest bell.

• 1:26:38Mark Normand?

  You went for the mail.

• 1:26:39Speaker 04

  I have, I have a bit on bells that was inspired by Rochester.

• 1:26:43Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 1:26:44Speaker 04

  So, but that's like two specials ago, so.

• 1:26:46Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 1:26:47Speaker 04

  Anyway, thanks, you guys. You all, you guys also have shows coming up.

• 1:26:50Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we got shows coming up. I got, uh, Minneapolis, Phoenix, uh, San Diego, Sacramento, SF, Portland. I did a late show there. Get on that. We got Seattle, Vancouver. We had a late show, Boise, Idaho, Denver. And I just added some shows for the summer. I'm gonna do, uh, the Wilbur again.

• 1:27:08Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:27:08Sam Morril?

  I'll do, try to do a few there for a weekend, maybe. And then I got, uh.

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  Who, who, who?

• 1:27:13Sam Morril?

  Got, uh, Jersey, New Jersey in July. It looks like we're gonna do, uh, Count Basie.

• 1:27:18Mark Normand?

  Great, bro.

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  Count Basie's a great.

• 1:27:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah, and then, uh, there was one other we just added there, too.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  That's, you know, by the way, that's where.

• 1:27:26Sam Morril?

  And Wellmont and Montclair as well.

• 1:27:27Speaker 04

  Seinfeld does, I mean, not Seinfeld, uh, Springsteen.

• 1:27:31Sam Morril?

  Oh, shit.

• 1:27:32Speaker 04

  Not there.

• 1:27:32Sam Morril?

  I saw Lily Tomlin there back in the day. She killed it. It was a great show. I mean, it's beautiful. I can't wait. So, yeah. SamRell.com/shows. Follow us on, are you on Punch Up, Jim? We gotta get you on there if you're not.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  What's Punch Up?

• 1:27:42Sam Morril?

  Oh, we got it. We'll, we'll talk.

• 1:27:44Speaker 04

  Uh-oh, is it another money laundering scheme?

• 1:27:48Sam Morril?

  Human trafficking, but.

• 1:27:50Speaker 04

  Bristol. Who's doing Bristol?

• 1:27:52Mark Normand?

  I'll go anywhere. Asheville.

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  ESPN.

• 1:27:54Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 1:27:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, I didn't know that. Asheville, Bristol?

• 1:27:57Sam Morril?

  It's Bristol, Connecticut, not Tennessee.

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Oh, that's Bristol.

• 1:28:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Tennessee. New Brunswick.

• 1:28:02Speaker 04

  Bristol, Tennessee?

• 1:28:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:03Speaker 04

  Oh, that's like where they got the big race, don't they?

• 1:28:06Mark Normand?

  Yes, the Speedway is over there. New Brunswick.

• 1:28:09Speaker 04

  See, I am white trash.

• 1:28:12Mark Normand?

  No one's questioning. Ithaca, then we got going to the UK, Reykjavik.

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  Reykjavik, so fun.

• 1:28:19Mark Normand?

  Is it? Well, those are your people, you whitey.

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. You gotta get the Black Death. That's where Black Death is not a watery drink. It's actually a very, it's like 160 proof liquor.

• 1:28:31Mark Normand?

  What is it? Sickle cell? 160 is fucking vicious. Belfast, Glasgow, keep going. Then we're back at Rochester, Portchester, Albany, Burlington, Wausau. I hope I'm saying that right.

• 1:28:43Speaker 04

  Wausau.

• 1:28:44Mark Normand?

  Wausau, thank you. Eugene, San Jose, Hyannis, Mass, at the Melody Tent. That'll be interesting. Connecticut, PA, and then we're going to Australia and New Zealand.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  Oh, wow.

• 1:28:55Mark Normand?

  That's a trip. Which I love, you've been there.

• 1:28:56Speaker 04

  And so are you bringing the baby?

• 1:28:58Mark Normand?

  I think we're gonna leave him in the car.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 1:29:00Mark Normand?

  No, I think we're gonna, uh, just give him to the grandma.

• 1:29:04Speaker 04

  No, yeah, cuz that is a long run down there.

• 1:29:08Mark Normand?

  Yeah, he's young, he's, you know, three months, not ready.

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  He also smokes, so that long flight.

• 1:29:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true. We got him on the patch.

• 1:29:17Speaker 02

  Also, lastly, Page to Stage, a documentary I worked on with Mark, is now available on Punch Up Live.

• 1:29:21Mark Normand?

  Punch Up.

• 1:29:22Speaker 04

  Page to Stage.

• 1:29:23Mark Normand?

  We'd love to have you on, Jim. Yeah, you're in it. You and Jerry and Jon Stewart, we did that, um, that military benefit.

• 1:29:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember that, yeah.

• 1:29:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, we were shooting that.

• 1:29:32Speaker 04

  That's where I was like, I was like, I'm gonna get everyone to sign this bottle of, that was, that was, uh, uh, Canadian whiskey that they make, uh, they bottle in Oregon.

• 1:29:44Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, that was, that was right when Trump won and Jon Stewart went up and talked about it. And it got weird. But, uh, yeah, fun night, fun episode, check it out on Punch Up.

• 1:29:54Speaker 04

  Oh, so wait a minute, so how many, how many, uh, so that's episode two.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  Episode two, where we tried to get Mark to write one clean joke to perform in front of you and Jerry. It took him six weeks.

• 1:30:06Speaker 04

  And so wait a minute, so is this, uh, is this on your YouTube channel?

• 1:30:10Mark Normand?

  Yeah, we're trying to sell this, but it's doing well on Punter. We're making a, we're making a couple bucks and yeah, it's on, it's on Punch Up. And then eventually it'll be on YouTube, but it's behind a paywall right now.

• 1:30:20Sam Morril?

  We'll explain Punch Up to you. It's fucking good, man.

• 1:30:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:23Sam Morril?

  You should get on it.

• 1:30:24Speaker 04

  Is it your business?

• 1:30:25Sam Morril?

  No, it's a friend of ours started it and it's, we use it cause like, you know, views and engagement are down across the socials. Like it doesn't matter your follower count. No one's seen your, no one's seen your posts anymore, so.

• 1:30:37Speaker 04

  Why is that?

• 1:30:37Sam Morril?

  Cause they're changing the algorithm to compete with, they, they want, they see TikToks getting banned, so they're trying to get everyone from TikTok on Instagram. So it's like, they're not prioritizing like jokes anymore. It's now just like dumb shit and dancing and stuff like that would blow up on TikTok. So we wanna, you can build.

• 1:30:53Speaker 04

  My algorithm's all prayers.

• 1:30:56Sam Morril?

  Well, you get a lot of, uh, if you do Punch Up, you get a lot, you can just collect emails and you just have emails or phone numbers and you could just blast them and it's not, you know, buried. So that's why.

• 1:31:06Speaker 04

  I like it.

• 1:31:06Sam Morril?

  We're a big fan of it. Yeah, Burr, Segura's on it now. Everyone's getting on, Tim Dillon, Mark and I, Louis on it. It's, it's good, man. We, we recommend it, but.

• 1:31:15Mark Normand?

  Louis Touring?

• 1:31:16Sam Morril?

  Jim Jeffries is on there.

• 1:31:17Mark Normand?

  Oh, nice. I just talked to him in Nashville.

• 1:31:20Sam Morril?

  He's the man.

• 1:31:20Mark Normand?

  He's a good ex. Sober Jim is, it's a different bird, but yeah.

• 1:31:24Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:24Mark Normand?

  Fun guy. So yeah, check it out. Check out his Hulu special as well. That's, uh, that's out there and, uh, yeah.

• 1:31:30Sam Morril?

  FatherTime-Bourbon.com.

• 1:31:33Speaker 04

  Father Time.

• 1:31:34Sam Morril?

  All right, guys.

• 1:31:35Mark Normand?

  There you go. We'll see you on hell.

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