William H. Macy w/ Sam Morril & Mark Normand - We Might Be Drunk Podcast

The legendary William H. Macy joins Mark and Sam for a killer episode. They dive into classic films like Fargo, Boogie Nights, and Magnolia, behind-the-scenes stories from iconic sets, and what makes a great script actually work. Plus, acting advice, Hollywood horror stories, AI fears in filmmaking, and why most people are terrible storytellers. Also: whiskey talk, Vegas misery, Thanksgiving food debates, and why actors need to stop being assholes. Sponsored by: Stay connected anywhere with Sailyhttps://saily.com/WMBD — use code WMBD for 15% off Protect your family with Ethos Life Insurancehttps://ethos.com/drunk Get access to affordable care with Himshttps://hims.com/drunk Get 20% off Chubbieshttps://www.chubbiesshorts.com/DRUNKS — code DRUNKS Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ Clips Channel: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets ⸻ Produced by Gotham Production Studios: https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com Producer: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters #WeMightBeDrunk #MarkNormand #SamMorril #WilliamHMacy #ComedyPodcast #StandUpComedy #BodegaCatWhiskey Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:06Mark Normand?

  All right. Hey, hey, folks. Here we are. We're back. We might be drunk. We got the, the great Bill Macy.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  Hello.

• 0:12Mark Normand?

  Hello, Bill.

• 0:14Sam Morril?

  This is awesome, man. Yeah, I just watched Train Dreams on his recommendation. You're amazing in it.

• 0:19Speaker 01

  Oh, thank you.

• 0:19Sam Morril?

  That was awesome.

• 0:20Speaker 01

  Wonderful film.

• 0:21Mark Normand?

  I loved it.

• 0:22Speaker 01

  It's the little film that could. It went all the way to the Oscars.

• 0:24Mark Normand?

  I know. Crazy. And not much happens, but it, I was hooked.

• 0:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's, it's a lifetime. I mean, it covers the guy's lifetime.

• 0:35Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  It's lovely. It sort of celebrates a common fellow.

• 0:40Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  I found it very, very moving.

• 0:43Mark Normand?

  It's the, I'm, I'm all in my phone. It was the opposite of being in your phone. That's the whole movie.

• 0:48Sam Morril?

  Exactly.

• 0:48Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 0:49Speaker 01

  That's sure the truth.

• 0:50Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we're like, that guy, that guy didn't live. He didn't look at TikTok or nothing.

• 0:53Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 0:54Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 0:54Mark Normand?

  And then at the end, he takes that airplane ride and it all hits him. And you're like, oh, I've looked, I got a baby. I'm staring at Snapchat. I gotta look at my kid.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  I know. I don't do that that much. I don't, this thing, I have to carry it around, but I'm sure it's not my friend.

• 1:10Mark Normand?

  No, it's evil. It's taking all our attention and making us ADD and probably dumber.

• 1:17Sam Morril?

  We were just talking before you got here. I mean, we grew up on your movies, so it's crazy to meet you. I mean, going back to, I mean, I, I remember seeing Fargo, probably too young and being like, even then being like, oh, this is amazing.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:29Sam Morril?

  Did you know when you got that script that you're like, this is going to be great?

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. You know, I flatter myself. I'm, it's, it's, most actors go, well, you know, you never know, but I do.

• 1:41Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  I'm pretty good at reading scripts. I read them in one sitting. I skip the stage directions to whatever extent I can, just read the dialogue. And that way you get to see the film in your mind's eye. It's easy to choose when you've seen the film.

• 1:55Mark Normand?

  Right. And I think the Coen Brothers and PTA, maybe some of the best dialogue.

• 2:01Speaker 01

  Oh, fabulous dialogue.

• 2:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 2:03Sam Morril?

  It's, it's such a funny, dark movie. I mean, we talk about all that. We've played the clip where the dad dies on Fargo when he gets shot in the stomach and he's like, ooh. As dark as that moment is, it's like kind of comedic.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  I know. He doesn't say, ooh, he says, ufta.

• 2:17Mark Normand?

  Uva.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  The Great Heart Presnel, yep, it's a fabulous film. I really wanted that role and I knew it would change my life. I mean, it was the Coen Brothers.

• 2:29Sam Morril?

  Sure.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  I'd seen Blood Simple, but they were, they were the new guys and um, I thought I was born to play this role. I really wanted it. And when they called me up, I was, I've got a little cabin in Vermont. And um, I didn't have anyone to tell. My nearest neighbors a mile away. There was no one there.

• 2:49Sam Morril?

  You live in train dreams.

• 2:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:51Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  Ran out in the snow, just screaming my head off.

• 2:54Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 2:55Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 2:55Sam Morril?

  So you, you auditioned for, do you know who you were up against?

• 2:59Speaker 01

  I do not. Uh, I went in to read for The Detective, which is a sweet role.

• 3:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 3:06Sam Morril?

  So you would have been Frances McDormand?

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Uh, I didn't know Franny before that.

• 3:11Sam Morril?

  No, but you mean that, that was the role you read for?

• 3:13Speaker 01

  No, The Detective, who goes to investigate, you know, he's got the big muff and he says, yeah, these fellows came in and he said, you know, how do, what if we were to beat you up? And he said, well, I wouldn't like that, that.

• 3:24Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  And they go, front's coming in and they all turn and look.

• 3:28Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Great scene.

• 3:30Mark Normand?

  Wow. Um, those scenes in the office were so damn tense where you're lying over and over.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:37Mark Normand?

  So good.

• 3:38Sam Morril?

  And the scene where she, where Frances McDormand with the, uh, the old friend, the Asian guy, where he's, she finds out he lies about being married. He's hitting on her. It's like, and you realize how detailed these scripts are.

• 3:50Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  I know.

• 3:51Sam Morril?

  That's when she realizes that people are full of shit.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  You know, in a strictly Aristotelian kind of way, I thought, what does this scene have to do with anything? It doesn't move the plot. You could take it out and nothing would happen. But I realized psychologically, it really shaped the world as Franny saw it, that it's just going to pieces. She says it at the end. All of this for a little money? I just don't understand. And um, It gave her and us an insight into the fact that people are desperate, they're falling apart.

• 4:30Sam Morril?

  I love that she, she's almost like a mother being disappointed in you rather than, than being like, you're a murderer. But she's like, I'm, I'm just disappointed. That, that energy is so funny to talk to a murderer.

• 4:40Speaker 01

  She's so adorable in that movie. I saw it recently, a couple of years ago during the strike, I went around and we did screenings of it. And, oh my lord, I lost my heart to her again.

• 4:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah, she's so innocent. Then she talks to that lady on the phone about the Asian guy, was it Mr. Takahana? Something like that. But then she realized, oh, he lied to me. And that's kind of when her innocence went away. She was like, people are liars.

• 5:03Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 5:04Mark Normand?

  You think he had a room in that hotel?

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Uh, at the end?

• 5:09Mark Normand?

  The Asian guy. You think he had a room there was to, do you think he was trying to sleep with her?

• 5:13Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely.

• 5:14Mark Normand?

  But do you think he got the room?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  I don't know. He did, he did hit on her. No question about that.

• 5:20Sam Morril?

  That awkward, he just moves to her side of the booth is so, it's such a cringe worthy moment.

• 5:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Mark Normand?

  Now, now what I gotta ask, what about Boogie Nights? I mean, you're such a, you're such a nerd. You're so desperate.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  Poor schmuck.

• 5:36Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 5:37Sam Morril?

  You and Philip Seymour Hoffman's characters are like such sad characters in that movie.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  Oh, Philip was so good in that.

• 5:44Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  I miss him. He was, he was the best of us, man. That guy could act. Woof.

• 5:49Sam Morril?

  Did you know him well?

• 5:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, on set, uh, we didn't hang out. We weren't friends, uh, that way, but we did two movies together and we hung out on set. And I just adored him. Really, really interesting guy. And, um, surprising. He could play anything.

• 6:09Mark Normand?

  Oh, he was the villain in Mission Impossible.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  And a great villain.

• 6:12Sam Morril?

  And before the devil knows your dad, that character is so, that's such a complicated character.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  I mean, he could do.

• 6:18Sam Morril?

  Capote?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Capote. From that to.

• 6:22Sam Morril?

  Along Came Polly.

• 6:23Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:24Sam Morril?

  I mean, he did everything.

• 6:25Mark Normand?

  Hilarious in that. Man.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  What a tragedy.

• 6:29Mark Normand?

  I know. I saw him in the city once, just barreling down Second Avenue. And I was like, ah, and I just got the hell out of his way. He looked so angry.

• 6:36Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 6:37Mark Normand?

  Yeah, he was just. Yeah, yeah, basketball shorts, it was crazy.

• 6:42Sam Morril?

  Damn. Yeah, unbelievable actor. When you were doing Boogie Nights, I mean, that that might be the best cast ever assembled. You look back, same with Magnolia, you know, two movies that are like.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:55Sam Morril?

  Both, two of my favorite movies, I love them both.

• 6:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 6:58Sam Morril?

  I mean, that character you play in Magnolia, you play a super sad character, too. He's just going to you for sad characters.

• 7:04Speaker 01

  I've done a lot of sad characters, I'll tell you.

• 7:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  Interestingly, now I'm playing powerful guys.

• 7:11Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Speaker 01

  I guess growing up or getting old helps.

• 7:15Mark Normand?

  Do you think that bulge was real with with Tom Cruise in Magnolia? Because those underwear were pretty filled out.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  You know, you're not the only one that's asked that. We did a press conference and this woman kept saying something about his underwear. I almost piped in.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  Show her, man.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Show her your dick, that's what she wants to see.

• 7:36Mark Normand?

  Those tiny whiteys are, they're full.

• 7:38Sam Morril?

  Yeah, he's awesome in that movie.

• 7:40Mark Normand?

  No, he's, he's great.

• 7:42Sam Morril?

  Oh, man, that scene, that's such a great storyline. I mean, so that's kind of like, I've heard a lot of people say that's kind of like his shortcuts, his Robert Altman shortcuts, a bunch of stories coming together. But, man, I rewatched that when I was in Europe doing a tour. I was sick for a couple of days and I I just rewatched that and I was like, I've never seen a three hour movie with like no action.

• 8:04Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 8:05Sam Morril?

  That just goes so quickly.

• 8:07Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:08Sam Morril?

  It's just all human, you know, drama and, and, and romance and sadness. It's a sad, a lot of sad characters in that movie.

• 8:16Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  You know, there's no action, but a lot happens. I'm drawn to those kind of movies that, you know, when there's somebody getting blasted to death every four minutes. I just, I grow weary of that so quickly.

• 8:28Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 8:29Sam Morril?

  It means nothing after a while.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  It means nothing.

• 8:31Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it's like a comic who says fuck every other word. You're like, you're killing the word.

• 8:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah, but there's lines in it that could have read so corny that didn't, like even you saying, I have so much love to give. That could have played so corny and it felt so sincere, you know?

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:46Sam Morril?

  Did you read that and you're like, how the fuck do I make this sound?

• 8:50Speaker 01

  No, his stuff just flies off the page.

• 8:52Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  He's a lovely writer and he runs a fabulous set. No, it was, that was all easy.

• 9:01Sam Morril?

  Yeah, that's cool.

• 9:02Mark Normand?

  How do they make the, I mean, like, I know.

• 9:04Speaker 01

  The frogs?

• 9:05Mark Normand?

  Well, that was fun, but how do you, how do you just get your brain to come up with eight different storylines? And characters and each, how do you put that all together in your head? Like, we write jokes, but I can't imagine writing a story with that many moving parts.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, if you ever do, write it down because some people can do it, Paul can do it.

• 9:29Mark Normand?

  That's unbelievable.

• 9:31Speaker 01

  And they intertwine, that's what's great.

• 9:33Mark Normand?

  Of course.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  I've been blessed to work with some really good writers, fabulous writers.

• 9:38Sam Morril?

  What's your favorite script that you ever got that you write that you're like, oh, this is gonna be fun?

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like naming which of your daughters you like the best. You may know, but you're never gonna say it.

• 9:51Mark Normand?

  I know which one of yours I like the best.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  I don't know how to respond.

• 9:56Mark Normand?

  I'm joking, I didn't know you had daughters.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Dave Mamet wrote a script called State in Maine, you ever seen that?

• 10:05Sam Morril?

  I, a long time, I was too young when I saw it.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Knee-slappingly funny, I loved that when I read it.

• 10:12Mark Normand?

  I don't know.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Boogie Nights, I just loved it, I so wanted it.

• 10:16Mark Normand?

  So funny.

• 10:17Speaker 01

  You're fast.

• 10:17Sam Morril?

  You started with Mamet, didn't you?

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, he was my teacher, I went to a little school in Vermont called Goddard College and Dave was there. He'd just graduated, he came back as a teaching fellow. And, you know, he taught me everything I know.

• 10:32Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 10:32Sam Morril?

  Cause he pop up in some of those, I remember you're in House of Lies.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  House of Games.

• 10:36Sam Morril?

  House of Games, sorry, great movie, love that, I know the name, I messed up the name, but, uh, yeah, that's, that movie is, if you haven't seen that movie.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  It's a great movie.

• 10:46Sam Morril?

  That's a classic.

• 10:47Speaker 01

  Joe Mantegna.

• 10:47Mark Normand?

  I'll check it out.

• 10:49Sam Morril?

  So many twists, so cool.

• 10:51Mark Normand?

  Alright.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  Everybody wants to be Joe Mantegna.

• 10:54Sam Morril?

  Oh, he's awesome.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  He's the coolest dude that ever walked.

• 10:58Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 10:59Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Uh, he was on The Simpsons, too.

• 11:02Sam Morril?

  Fat Tony.

• 11:03Mark Normand?

  Fat Tony, that's right.

• 11:04Sam Morril?

  And then you did Homicide with, uh, Joe Mantegna.

• 11:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:08Sam Morril?

  Which is, that's an awesome movie, too.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  It really is.

• 11:11Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's a classic. Look at that, he was a hunk.

• 11:14Speaker 01

  Oh, my lord. He was back in Chicago, that's where I got started. We had a theater company there and he was it. He was the guy.

• 11:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  If you looked up cool in the dictionary, it said, see Joey.

• 11:26Mark Normand?

  Right. Now, you were in a radio days.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  A bit.

• 11:31Mark Normand?

  A bit, but it counts.

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 11:34Mark Normand?

  Did you get to really absorb Woody?

• 11:38Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:39Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  He shows up late, he says few words.

• 11:43Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  It's um.

• 11:44Sam Morril?

  It's the first bad thing I've ever heard about him.

• 11:49Speaker 01

  I, Robert Joy was in this thing and I just, I'll love him for the rest of my life, but um you don't get the script, so we just got the sides and we looked at it. And we were all sitting there waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting and somebody said, you know how Woody Allen always casts those weird people in his movies? We said, yeah, and he said, we're those people. So finally Woody came in and he said, okay, you know, very soft spoken, he said, you're there, you stand over there and then you you walk over here and then and said, okay, let's do it. And Bobby Joy says, wait a minute. Who am I? Where, who am I talking to? Where are we? What is this?

• 12:29Mark Normand?

  That would scare the hell out of me.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  I know. Well, we were all too intimidated to ask, but he did. And of course Woody went, oh, sorry. And then he told us the plot and what it was all about.

• 12:39Mark Normand?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  I'll always, I'll always think he's the coolest guy for that.

• 12:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but Jesus, you want to do well, you want to kill it, and then you don't know who the hell you're supposed to be.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, this whole thing about

• 12:53Speaker 01

  they watermark scripts, they, you know, you've you've got, they'll hand deliver it to your door like it's a big secret. I don't understand that.

• 13:02Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I mean. What are they guarding against? Is there somebody who's gonna steal the script and make the movie before them?

• 13:10Mark Normand?

  Well, maybe they'll leak a twist ending, I don't know.

• 13:12Sam Morril?

  This is what they do with everything, though, in entertainment. They act like it's so much more important, like they

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Right.

• 13:16Sam Morril?

  When they're vetting you for SNL, they treat it like it's the CIA.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know.

• 13:20Sam Morril?

  They're like, "You said a bad word in 1997," and it's like, "All right."

• 13:24Mark Normand?

  I'm a comedian.

• 13:25Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 13:26Mark Normand?

  It's half the gig.

• 13:28Sam Morril?

  Everything, yeah, the watermark and it's all, they try to scare you.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  I guess, I guess it's precious to them.

• 13:35Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  Well.

• 13:36Mark Normand?

  Well, things have changed, though. Are you worried the state of movies, is that scary? Are the theaters kinda fizzling out and?

• 13:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 13:43Mark Normand?

  All right, good.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  We're gonna have, um, somebody told me this is going to be a record box office year, or

• 13:50Mark Normand?

  What?

• 13:51Speaker 01

  The one we just ended, yeah.

• 13:53Sam Morril?

  But doesn't it worry you that the types of movies you made in the 90s that are so precious to so many people, those movies seem to be dying away? I think the, like, the box office might be doing well, but it's, isn't it like Avatar, isn't these big movies?

• 14:05Mark Normand?

  Marble.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  Well, that's what it takes to put them in the Cineplexes.

• 14:08Sam Morril?

  Right, right.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  And I kinda like those movies. I don't like the ones, you know, like we said, where they just keep killing people. The plot gets slow, they just kill some more people.

• 14:19Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  Uh, it's, it's horseshit.

• 14:22Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 14:23Speaker 01

  And it's not true.

• 14:24Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  They're telling false stories. I've always had this idea.

• 14:29Mark Normand?

  All right, here we go.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  Have a, in a series, have a, have a guy or, or a woman, and we fall in love with them, write a great character, and then shoot him. Then shoot him, and don't take him off the series. And so you watch him deal with what a bullet does to the human body. You see him get infections, you see his wife leave him, cause he goes into depression, you see trying to learn how to walk again, you s- you should see all that stuff.

• 15:05Mark Normand?

  Now, that's a true story.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  And I must say, it sounds dramatic to me, but you kill 20 people. That's not dramatic, that's pornography, you know, the only thing you can do is kill twenty more.

• 15:17Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 15:19Sam Morril?

  Pornography, but that one's allowed in Texas, actually.

• 15:23Sam Morril?

  But, uh, yeah.

• 15:24Mark Normand?

  I like that.

• 15:24Sam Morril?

  I'm with you, I think, because you're into the drama, that's such a, that's like what a good actor, I think, would think is like, yeah, that's nothing for me to do, like, just get shot, but to deal with the bullet is, that's the acting, right?

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's tell the truth about it. I think it's hurting our society. That we, um, you know, the whole concept of funny violence, I got a problem with that.

• 15:46Mark Normand?

  Interesting.

• 15:47Speaker 01

  You kill somebody and say some quip and everybody roars.

• 15:50Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 15:51Speaker 01

  I don't think that's good for us.

• 15:53Mark Normand?

  Hmm, I would say the same with comedy, when I watch a trailer for a comedy movie and a guy gets kicked in the balls, the first second of the trailer, I'm like, this comedy's gonna stink.

• 16:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:03Mark Normand?

  And it's.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Although it is funny.

• 16:05Mark Normand?

  Sure, it's funny, but if that's your go-to right out of the gate, like, come on.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Right, that's the only thing you could put in the trailer.

• 16:11Sam Morril?

  I want the movie by the guy dealing with getting kicked in the balls, that's the movie I want.

• 16:16Mark Normand?

  For days, he's got the ice pack.

• 16:18Sam Morril?

  Wife leaves him, I can't do this.

• 16:20Mark Normand?

  Can't get it up, it's a whole thing. Now we got a comedy.

• 16:23Sam Morril?

  Yeah, so you've done some comedies, you've done, State of Maine's a comedy.

• 16:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, done a bunch.

• 16:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah, what other?

• 16:32Speaker 01

  They put out this thing, Greatest Comedies, and they put Fargo in there.

• 16:36Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 16:36Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  Because it is funny.

• 16:38Mark Normand?

  This is gold in there.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  It's very dry humor, but it's funny.

• 16:42Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, Buscemi funny-looking.

• 16:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:44Sam Morril?

  Oh, man, you and Buscemi, and this, I mean, just, it's cool to see you guys lead a movie, because I feel like so often you, same with The Cooler, it's like, cool to see you in that type of role.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:54Sam Morril?

  Because I'd never seen a movie where Willie Mace Macy gets the girl.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:59Sam Morril?

  And I liked that, and I thought that was cool and, uh.

• 17:02Mark Normand?

  Now, that's unrealistic.

• 17:05Sam Morril?

  That's a great flick, I think, if you guys haven't seen The Cooler, awesome soundtrack too, Vegas.

• 17:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Sam Morril?

  We've played casinos forever, so I have a weird love for a casino movie too.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a weird, we found, um, we were in Reno, I think, and, um.

• 17:24Sam Morril?

  Oof, you know what my opening joke in Reno was last time I was there? I've never seen fake tits in an oxygen tank on the same person before.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  I have.

• 17:34Mark Normand?

  There they are.

• 17:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Uh, but we, they had just sold this hotel casino to someone. And they hadn't demolished it yet. And um, production was lucky enough to get it. So we, we shot on the seventh floor in the casino. And we lived on the 12th floor. We, we had pink eyes by the time that film was finished. We never saw the light of day, just up and down in the elevator.

• 17:58Sam Morril?

  It's brutal, right?

• 18:00Speaker 01

  It worked, though. We were sort of trapped in there. And Maria Bella was, is so fantastic. She's such a joy to act with.

• 18:08Sam Morril?

  You guys together were, the chemistry was so good in that movie.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  It was really good. I thought so too.

• 18:13Mark Normand?

  Do you, uh, do you gamble?

• 18:15Speaker 01

  No, I don't. No, I'm not a fan of Vegas.

• 18:18Sam Morril?

  That's for the best, if you're gonna live in a casino. You don't wanna, you don't wanna give in to that.

• 18:22Mark Normand?

  Your whole paycheck's gone.

• 18:23Speaker 01

  When I go to Vegas, I just find the, the best looking dealer. Give her all my money and then go to the bar.

• 18:31Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Vegas is depressing. There's not a blade of grass in the whole city. I, I just can't find a tree to save my life.

• 18:38Sam Morril?

  Did you, did you get uncomfortable having to do those types of sexual scenes with an actor?

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, yeah.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  You tried going down to your knickers in front of Teamsters.

• 18:52Sam Morril?

  I have, they wouldn't, they wouldn't give me the part. I was begging.

• 18:55Mark Normand?

  Can we pull that up, that scene? Just, no, I'm just kidding.

• 18:59Speaker 01

  It, you know what? I married very well. My wife is smart, Felicity Huffman. Anyway, I was pissing and moaning about these scenes. Cause there was a lot of skin in that thing. And I thought, oh geez, what am I? And she said, you better figure this out. Or get them to cut the scenes because it sounds to me like you're planning to fail.

• 19:19Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Sounds like you're gonna, you're gonna be okay with being bad in these scenes. And I took it to heart, so um. When we met with the director, Wayne, um. I, I had analyzed all the scenes. Even scenes that didn't have much dialogue. I thought, where do we begin, where do we end? How did that move the plot? And in a lot of those scenes, it did. There was something that happened. And in a couple, I couldn't figure it out. And Wayne, to his credit, said, I can't either. And he cut them.

• 19:52Mark Normand?

  Whoa. Cool wife, though, to be like, you gotta nail this.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:57Mark Normand?

  No pun intended.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  We, um.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  It's tough, you know. When she does a film and that scene comes up, I just look away and hum. Close my eyes and just hum, so I can't hear anything.

• 20:11Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  I get past it.

• 20:13Mark Normand?

  Yikes.

• 20:14Sam Morril?

  You guys have acted together, though, in, I remember Sports Night.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:17Sam Morril?

  That was, that was a, before It's Time show, I think. That was a really good show.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  Oh, man, it was great. Aaron Sorkin's writing was fabulous on that.

• 20:26Mark Normand?

  Talk about dialogue.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:28Sam Morril?

  But I feel like, like, it should have lasted longer.

• 20:31Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it was too smart for the room.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Could be. Could be.

• 20:35Sam Morril?

  And also, I think, I think it was weird for people to see a show like that without a laugh track back then. Every show had a laugh track, but that was.

• 20:44Speaker 01

  Isn't it bizarre when you watch TV now and it's got a laugh track?

• 20:47Mark Normand?

  It's so primitive.

• 20:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:50Mark Normand?

  Totally.

• 20:51Sam Morril?

  Unless it's like Seinfeld or Frasier and there's a joke, like, every seven seconds and you're like, alright, but yeah, for the most part.

• 20:57Mark Normand?

  A new show.

• 20:58Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Mark Normand?

  This is, this is weird.

• 21:00Sam Morril?

  Do new shows have it?

• 21:01Mark Normand?

  Some do.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Some.

• 21:03Mark Normand?

  It feels like The Honeymooners or something. It just feels so throwback.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  A lot of times they'll have a live audience, but they sweeten it and, um, I don't know.

• 21:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah, there, there she is.

• 21:12Speaker 01

  That ain't showbiz.

• 21:13Mark Normand?

  Mm-mm.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  Aw.

• 21:16Mark Normand?

  Now, you did a, a run, a long TV run with Shameless. I mean, was it weird to movie, then TV, then back to movie?

• 21:25Speaker 01

  Uh, it's the same gag at the end of the day. Um, TV's really fast and I personally like it. Because you get to act all day and supposed to sit in your trailer waiting for the lighting to be finished.

• 21:39Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  And, um, it was, you know, here's one of the coolest things that happened. Um, we had two cameras. And Shameless was an hour, a real hour. Sometimes we went to sixty-three and it was okay if we went to fifty-seven, but they would write usually sixty-five pages for that hour. And we had a minute to shoot it. I think we shot, I think we had seven days to shoot one and then another half day for exteriors when we went to Chicago. So it was run and gun. And, um, we had two camera crews always and they'd just follow us around. And the way John Wells liked to.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  The way he designed it was, we'd start in this room, go into the hallway, into the bathroom, back into the hallway and right back without a cut. We'd shoot the whole thing.

• 22:33Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 22:33Speaker 01

  So for the actors, you got to do the whole scene over and over, not little bits of it.

• 22:38Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 22:38Speaker 01

  You know, they'd come in for some close-ups every once in a while, but I think it was the fourth show or something. I had a really nice moment. I went to the DP and I said, "When are you gonna, you know, get my moment there, my close-up?" And he said, "What close-up?" And I said, "You know, in this scene, when are you gonna..." He said, "Oh dude, you're done." That was the second shot of the day.

• 22:57Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  And it was liberating.

• 23:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  It was liberating because, you know, they put the camera on you and go, "Okay, do it better," which is the kiss of death. You can't do it better.

• 23:08Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Just do it fully.

• 23:10Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 23:11Sam Morril?

  Do you work with directors? Were there any directors who made you do it like eighty times?

• 23:15Speaker 01

  I've worked with directors who do take after take after take.

• 23:19Sam Morril?

  And is it, is it really tough?

• 23:21Speaker 01

  I find it sometimes a waste of time unless you're doing something different. The nuances are so minor, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. Dave Mamet, who's the smartest guy I know, he says the audience only wants to know one, one thing. What happens next? They don't care about the emotions of it. They don't care about anything backstory. It's all, it's all jive. What happens next?

• 23:49Mark Normand?

  Interesting. Huh.

• 23:52Sam Morril?

  I saw a story you told about Mamet on Rich Eisen about, about cheese, how he would come over and cut cheese?

• 24:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it ended up in American Buffalo. Yeah, he'd come over. He's a whirlwind. I lived with Steven Shacter and we had an apartment on Clark Street and Dave was staying at the Hotel Lincoln. That's where he lived, in a room about the size of this couch. You had to step out in the hall to change your mind. It was new. And he'd come over and he'd go, "Bully, Stevie, I got this idea. We're gonna do..." And he'd go to the refrigerator and take out all the bread and the cheese and cut off these giant hunks and he's just stuffing his mouth and when he was full, he would leave. And in the meantime, he said, "We're gonna, we're gonna rent this building and I gotta play. We're gonna, we're gonna do a musical. We're gonna do this." And then he'd leave. And all the cheese would be gone. And one day he came over and I said, "Help yourself."

• 24:45Speaker 01

  And he stopped, I, I, he didn't throw a punch. But you know, you know, when a guy goes red, he's not gonna do anything. When he goes white, the punch is coming.

• 24:57Mark Normand?

  Are you sure?

• 24:57Speaker 01

  He went white.

• 24:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, wow.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  And I, he stormed in, he screamed at me. You, how many ti- you selfish thing, how many times do I pick up the check? How many times do I do it? Do you recognize those lines? They're from American Buffalo.

• 25:12Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  I tracked him down, I said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, please forgive me. And he's go- he begrudgingly said, okay. Next time I heard anything about it.

• 25:23Speaker 01

  I picked, I read American Buffalo and Teach comes in and he goes, fucking Ruthie, fucking Ruthie, fucking Ruthie. I'm sitting there, I take a piece of bacon off her toast and she goes, help yourself. Help myself? I should help myself to a slice of toast? It's four, it's four pieces for a quarter. What the fuck is what?

• 25:41Speaker 01

  It was the same diatribe.

• 25:42Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 25:43Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  That's my claim to fame.

• 25:45Mark Normand?

  You don't mess with a man's cheese.

• 25:48Sam Morril?

  That's amazing.

• 25:49Mark Normand?

  Wow, yeah, Mamet is intimidating. He's just so intense.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  He's intense, but he's not intimidating. He's very courtly and kind and um, smart as a whip. Um, man, I've seen him, I've seen him say good morning to 12, 14 extras. And 12 hours later, he's, he says goodnight to them all by name.

• 26:13Mark Normand?

  Whoa, that's wild.

• 26:15Speaker 01

  He's that kinda guy.

• 26:16Sam Morril?

  He is definitely one of the all time legends. I mean.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  He changed everything.

• 26:20Sam Morril?

  His body of work is pretty, I recently watched Wag the Dog for the first time. I'd never seen it.

• 26:25Speaker 01

  Hysterical.

• 26:25Sam Morril?

  That is like.

• 26:26Mark Normand?

  Really funny.

• 26:27Sam Morril?

  Really, really.

• 26:28Speaker 01

  Imprescient.

• 26:29Sam Morril?

  I was literally just gonna say that. I mean, it's like, it's crazy. It's like, could you say that about Iran? You know?

• 26:34Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 26:35Sam Morril?

  It's crazy, so uh. Yeah, so many, he wrote The Verdict, didn't he?

• 26:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 26:42Sam Morril?

  I mean, that's one of the best movies, yeah.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, Paul Newman.

• 26:46Mark Normand?

  Of course, Glengarry.

• 26:47Sam Morril?

  Glengarry, classic.

• 26:49Mark Normand?

  Classic, still quoted to this day.

• 26:51Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 26:52Mark Normand?

  Man, we gotta have him on.

• 26:53Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah. He's done some.

• 26:55Speaker 01

  Third Prize Steak Knives.

• 27:00Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I mean, so quotable, I mean.

• 27:04Mark Normand?

  Wait, Marty Supreme? What?

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Oh, he's in it.

• 27:08Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Very briefly.

• 27:09Mark Normand?

  Okay, I haven't seen that one yet.

• 27:10Sam Morril?

  It's fun. It's a fun movie.

• 27:13Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 27:15Mark Normand?

  And you're back on TV with The Land.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:18Sam Morril?

  You're a football owner.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Cleveland Browns, it's, I saw the first three episodes, it's rough.

• 27:24Sam Morril?

  Don't re-sign Deshaun Watson.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Well, there's the real Cleveland Browns and the real Cleveland Browns, R E E L and R E A L. And we'll be playing football side by side this coming season.

• 27:38Mark Normand?

  Nice.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  It's a great script, you don't have to know football to enjoy it, but if you do, you'll really enjoy it because it's, it's down, it's inside football.

• 27:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  As they say.

• 27:51Mark Normand?

  Well, yeah, I'm not a huge football guy, but I've watched every football movie and show. I watched Friday Night Lights, I watched all that stuff.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Well, you're gonna love this one.

• 27:58Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  And the NFL's all over it, we've got their blessing, this is new, this is new for them.

• 28:05Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 28:05Sam Morril?

  I remember when they did Any Given Sunday, it was so clear they didn't get their blessing because I'm like, the Sharks, I've never heard of the team named the Sharks.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, they had to, it's like the Boy Scouts, you can't say the Boy Scouts in a film, they are very protective.

• 28:17Mark Normand?

  I didn't know that, well, they're not doing great these days.

• 28:21Mark Normand?

  I should have worried about other stuff.

• 28:22Sam Morril?

  Yeah, The Land.

• 28:24Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 28:25Sam Morril?

  Christopher Maloney's in it and Chloe Bennett, yeah, it looks a.

• 28:31Sam Morril?

  Looks very cool.

• 28:32Speaker 01

  It's really cool. Big cast. This might be the biggest thing I've ever been in.

• 28:37Mark Normand?

  What?

• 28:37Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 28:38Mark Normand?

  Bridget Moynihan, hubba hubba.

• 28:40Speaker 01

  I mean, the call sheet, you know, usually there's six, eight actors on it. Sometimes there's a hundred.

• 28:46Mark Normand?

  Jesus.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  Huge. I mean, think about it. We play a football game. We need the whole team and all the attendant this and that. And the other team.

• 28:57Mark Normand?

  Right, right. That's a lot of moving parts here.

• 29:00Speaker 01

  It's a lot of moving parts.

• 29:02Mark Normand?

  Oh, boy, this is exciting. When is this coming out?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Not clear.

• 29:05Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Uh, they wrapped. I finished up last week. Yes.

• 29:10Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 29:11Speaker 01

  He's, he runs a great show. Boy, he's got, he's having a moment, ain't he?

• 29:17Sam Morril?

  Yeah. Yeah, cool.

• 29:19Mark Normand?

  All right. And you're doing a hooch.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 29:22Mark Normand?

  Come on.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  Woody Creek Distillers. I live in, guess.

• 29:27Sam Morril?

  Vermont?

• 29:28Mark Normand?

  Woody Creek.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. I live in Woody Creek. Felicity, uh, Felicity grew up in Woody Creek and we bought her childhood home.

• 29:37Sam Morril?

  Oh, wow.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  And we've been there. We've been Colorado residents for going on 10 years now. And, um, they live next door to me. Pat and Mary Scanlon and Mark Kleckner, who started the distillery, were my neighbors. I joked that I was the only celebrity within walking distance, so I got the job. And I've been representing them for six, seven years now.

• 30:01Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  And not to be cheeky, we make the finest spirits in America.

• 30:06Mark Normand?

  Whoa, easy, sir. We have our own whiskey.

• 30:08Sam Morril?

  We have our own whiskey too. We have our own whiskey too. We have our own whiskey.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Let me finish.

• 30:11Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 30:12Speaker 01

  There are others, but there are none better.

• 30:15Mark Normand?

  Okay, there you go, Billy. Yeah, but are you worried? Cause we just put out a whiskey as well and, you know, Gen Z, these queefs, they drink so little.

• 30:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think, what can you do but support them? I mean, half my friends drink too much.

• 30:30Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but they're funner.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  The other half of my friends don't drink enough.

• 30:34Mark Normand?

  There you go.

• 30:35Sam Morril?

  Jim Jefferies has a great line where he says, "All my friends who don't drink, uh, their stories stink. They all end with, "And then I got home."

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Well, you know what? Everybody turns 40 at some point and

• 30:47Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  the Z'ers and the X'ers are gonna turn 40 and they're gonna look around and look in the mirror and they're gonna go to a bar.

• 30:56Mark Normand?

  Hopefully.

• 30:57Sam Morril?

  And it's purple gin.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I think the thing to do, getting back to them, is we're trying to say, drink less, good for you, but drink better.

• 31:09Mark Normand?

  There you go.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Drink quality.

• 31:11Mark Normand?

  I like that.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  And everything we make comes from Colorado, with the exception of the gin, of course, but every other ingredient is within 100 miles of us. We know the farmers now for over a decade, same farmers over and over, everything's made in our distillery. It's a nice-looking distillery. We've got these huge Christian Carl stills. They are magnificent.

• 31:36Mark Normand?

  I love a still.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  A German still. And, um...

• 31:39Sam Morril?

  Wow, look at that.

• 31:40Mark Normand?

  Look at that. That's the real deal. Look at those potatoes, baby.

• 31:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just visited the guy that grows our potatoes. It's when we... There's eight potatoes, or eight pounds of potatoes, in every bottle of vodka. It's 100% potato vodka.

• 31:55Mark Normand?

  What?

• 31:55Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 31:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, my lord.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  It's not a smart way to make vodka.

• 31:59Mark Normand?

  Nah.

• 32:00Speaker 01

  Because it's very expensive. They're fresh potatoes.

• 32:02Mark Normand?

  Look at that.

• 32:03Sam Morril?

  Are the bottles expensive?

• 32:05Speaker 01

  Nope. One of the things that Mary and Pat Scanlon wanted to do was keep it a price point so that everybody could afford it. And so we're right smack in the middle.

• 32:15Mark Normand?

  Nice.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  We've got some signature stuff. I put out a signature rye whiskey, and that's spindy, but it's 10 years old, bottled and bond. It's pretty cool.

• 32:25Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  And as you can see, most of our... I work for mostly women.

• 32:30Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 32:31Speaker 01

  We're mostly a women-run distillery.

• 32:33Mark Normand?

  Okay. And look at this. Gin colored with butterfly pea flower extract. That sounds very nice.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  That's what makes it purple.

• 32:42Mark Normand?

  Fun.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  That stuff, we can't make enough of.

• 32:44Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 32:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:45Sam Morril?

  Is gin back?

• 32:46Speaker 01

  It's really popular. I mean, people that don't like gin like that.

• 32:51Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 32:52Speaker 01

  I put it on a rocks glass, put a little squeeze of lemon in it, that's right there.

• 32:57Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Gin and tonic, or any of the gin cocktails. Oh, it's so good.

• 33:02Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 33:02Sam Morril?

  Is gin your favorite?

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:06Speaker 01

  I'm not a big cocktail guy because of all the sugar and I guess mostly I drink rye whiskey and I just like it on the rocks and I like multiple rocks, not the big rock because I like it to melt. You get Sean Kenyans, who's bartender extraordinary, he says you get three drinks. You get that first sip in the middle when it's melted a bit and then you get, he said, I even like the brown water at the end.

• 33:32Mark Normand?

  Right, yeah, same. It's like the milk at the end of a cereal.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  That's Sean Kenyon.

• 33:36Mark Normand?

  There he is.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  I would say the coolest man that ever lived.

• 33:42Mark Normand?

  More the Montaigne?

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:44Mark Normand?

  Oh, suck it, Joe.

• 33:47Speaker 01

  Sorry, Joey, sorry. He and I, Sean and I did a motorcycle trip with these guys from Fort aleza Tequila. We started in Rome, went down, went up the boot of Italy into the Alps and ended up at the big liquor show in Berlin.

• 34:01Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 34:02Speaker 01

  I thought I was gonna die every day. These guys from Fortaleza, they were all in their twenties, you know, they can't die. I knew I was going to die.

• 34:13Mark Normand?

  You weren't drinking while riding, were you?

• 34:15Speaker 01

  We drank right after we rode.

• 34:16Mark Normand?

  Nice.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  It was great. We went up through the Alps. It's called the Fricka Pass, the something pass. Everybody goes there to ride their motorcycle.

• 34:29Mark Normand?

  Pull that up. I want to see what that looks like. Fricka Pass. Oh my lord, imagine riding a hog through that?

• 34:37Sam Morril?

  That is scary, dude.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:39Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  You look to your left and it's snow capped peaks. You look to your right and you can't see the bottom. It's just.

• 34:47Mark Normand?

  Wow, that's living.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  And there are tour buses that take that and Sean, who is a magnificent rider, he would go screaming around the tour bus and get in front and when it was clear, he would wave us all on.

• 34:58Mark Normand?

  Jesus.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  And we screamed up the Alps and these, some of these switchbacks, you can see your own taillights.

• 35:05Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Oh my, I didn't take you for a hog guy. I mean, you were in Wild Hogs.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was a Harley rider. We were on beamers and when you got there older, they asked, can you ride? Yeah, and I could.

• 35:18Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 35:18Speaker 01

  But we trained. We trained for Wild Hogs. I'm on, um, I've got Triumphs now.

• 35:27Mark Normand?

  Oh, nice.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  I keep it in. I've got the 1200 in Colorado, but we still have our house in LA and I've got a little T100. And that's just great for getting around town.

• 35:38Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah. Cut through that traffic in LA.

• 35:41Speaker 01

  Man, we got to the end of that ride. We all pulled over at the rendezvous point where we'd meet everyone, put the kickstand down. We walked to each other. It was like a scene from a romantic movie. We just embraced. We just hugged each other because we had just ridden that pass.

• 35:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  It was sublime. And then we go to the back of one of the bikes, open up the thing, take out a bottle of Woody Creek and just pass it around.

• 36:07Mark Normand?

  Oh, wow. How'd you get home?

• 36:10Speaker 01

  Well, we didn't pass it around that many.

• 36:12Mark Normand?

  Okay, okay. Hey, I'm not judging.

• 36:16Sam Morril?

  Oh, you're sending some pet peeves, I see.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, what are they?

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• 40:50Mark Normand?

  This looks like he loves a good old classic stuffing on Thanksgiving for holidays and parties. And gets super annoyed when everyone tries to spruce it up with a fun spin.

• 41:00Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 41:01Mark Normand?

  And makes fancy ingredients. Just stick with the classics. I completely agree.

• 41:05Speaker 01

  I've gotten to the point where I say, just get the box.

• 41:08Mark Normand?

  Stone top.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  I don't want, you know.

• 41:11Mark Normand?

  I'm with ya.

• 41:11Sam Morril?

  There's too many giant walnuts in there and stuff.

• 41:14Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 41:14Sam Morril?

  Let's settle down.

• 41:15Mark Normand?

  Marshmallows.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  I made my special stuffing with okra and sweet potatoes.

• 41:19Mark Normand?

  Ah!

• 41:20Speaker 01

  And they go, what the? I wait all year for this meal. Come on!

• 41:24Sam Morril?

  You get one.

• 41:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 41:26Sam Morril?

  You get one shot at it every year.

• 41:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:28Sam Morril?

  I'm with ya.

• 41:30Mark Normand?

  People put weird stuff in macaroni and cheese. Like, come on.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:33Mark Normand?

  Just give me the mac and cheese. Everybody, it's already a hit.

• 41:35Sam Morril?

  We didn't even grow up with mac and cheese as a side on Thanksgiving, which I'm kind of bummed about.

• 41:39Mark Normand?

  Oh, I love a good mac and cheese.

• 41:41Sam Morril?

  Sweet, this, you know, you get the candy yams. Those are, love a good candy yam.

• 41:44Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the turkey and stuffing.

• 41:49Mark Normand?

  That's the gravy.

• 41:50Sam Morril?

  Perfect, they're carrying the weight.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  We call it a perfect bite in my.

• 41:54Mark Normand?

  Yeah, agreed.

• 41:55Speaker 01

  I like the dark meat, that with some stuffing on it, maybe a little schmear of cranberry sauce. Yeah, it's the perfect bite.

• 42:01Mark Normand?

  It's perfect. You're getting me hard.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  You're a cheap date, I've realized that.

• 42:07Mark Normand?

  Oh, you have no idea.

• 42:09Sam Morril?

  When leaving a voicemail, he gets annoyed at the robotic woman's voice. Like when you finish, you may hang up or push the button and that button is like, yeah, no shit. I'm leaving a message. I know how to hang up when I'm done. Yeah.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  When you're making a lot of calls and leaving a lot of messages and she tells you you can hang up when you're finished? Why do we need that?

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Have they found people dead of starvation who didn't hang up the phone, didn't know what to do?

• 42:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah, why are you reading me my rights?

• 42:37Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 42:38Sam Morril?

  We got it.

• 42:38Mark Normand?

  Seinfeld had a bit about that.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  Also, I was getting gas in LA and there are all these signs saying it's going to kill you. If you're pregnant, you're gonna kill your baby and if you're not pregnant, you're gonna get pregnant. It's all these warnings of what the gasoline, what is the point? Do they want us to just abandon our cars and give it up? Why are they telling us this? You gotta fill your car with gasoline.

• 43:04Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  What good is that?

• 43:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  I'll tell you what good it is, it keeps lawyers.

• 43:09Mark Normand?

  Ah, that's what it is.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  They got something to write.

• 43:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it's like when you go to the airport and they're like, uh, senior citizen thieves are up. What do they call that? Old people trafficking? And I'm like, who's the stopping? You know, like watch out for old people being trafficked. And I'm like, if I was a trafficker of old people, this billboard wouldn't change me.

• 43:28Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 43:29Mark Normand?

  What do they call that when they, when they steal old people? There's a term for it. I saw it in LA.

• 43:34Sam Morril?

  Kidn- not kidnapping, I guess.

• 43:36Mark Normand?

  What is it?

• 43:36Sam Morril?

  Kidnapping?

• 43:37Mark Normand?

  They, they take old people, like senior.

• 43:40Speaker 01

  I'll bite, what do they want?

• 43:42Sam Morril?

  Benefits tracking?

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, they steal their benefits, yeah.

• 43:45Mark Normand?

  No, I'm talking about they, there's a whole billboard in at the LAX about stealing old people.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Well, I guess slave labor.

• 43:53Mark Normand?

  I guess, but that's the worst slave.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  Bad labor, yeah.

• 43:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah. What are they gonna knit?

• 43:59Speaker 01

  If they knit it enough, you could have a clothing line.

• 44:01Mark Normand?

  Elder abuse, that's what it is, elder abuse, there it is.

• 44:06Mark Normand?

  Women trafficking is real.

• 44:07Speaker 01

  I gotta say, I think that's a real thing and that's really kinda serious.

• 44:11Mark Normand?

  But who's this gonna stop with a billboard, like, alright, I saw the billboard, I'll stop hitting granny.

• 44:15Speaker 01

  It's for you to be on the lookout.

• 44:17Mark Normand?

  Alright, alright, well, if I saw a guy hitting an old lady, I would, I wouldn't need a billboard.

• 44:21Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I would just jump in.

• 44:23Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I hear what you're saying, it's common sense.

• 44:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah. It's like saying, don't steal kids, I'm like, alright, got it.

• 44:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Damn, I was just gonna steal one too.

• 44:33Mark Normand?

  Right, right. Alright, you get annoyed at the warnings and the signs, oh, we did that, okay.

• 44:39Sam Morril?

  Recommendations, the Bradley Cooper Will Arnett movie.

• 44:42Mark Normand?

  Oh, you liked it.

• 44:43Sam Morril?

  I have not seen it, actually.

• 44:45Mark Normand?

  We watched The Good Shot around here.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  Is this thing on, it's hysterical.

• 44:48Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 44:49Sam Morril?

  Alright.

• 44:49Mark Normand?

  Our friends are in it, a bunch of comics.

• 44:51Sam Morril?

  They shot at the Comedy Cellar.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  Bradley's in it too, and you're, I, it was a quarter of the way through, and I thought, that's him. He's a good-looking guy and he plays such a fabulous nerd. And there's a joke they set up in that with this photograph, and, you know, I know something about script writing, and I thought, they're gonna pay this off, and for the life of me, I couldn't figure out how they were gonna do it.

• 45:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 45:16Speaker 01

  And he did, and, oh lord, I peed my pants, it was so funny.

• 45:20Mark Normand?

  Alright, I'll watch it.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Fabulous movie.

• 45:22Mark Normand?

  Okay, 'cause as a comedian, there's a lot of bad stand-up movies, they're just so unrealistic and cheesy, but, I was too scared to watch, but on your record, go watch it.

• 45:31Sam Morril?

  We're so in this, it's hard, it's hard for us to watch stand-up movies, but...

• 45:35Speaker 01

  Uh, it's not that big a player in it, and it, it's necessary for the plot.

• 45:41Mark Normand?

  Okay, okay, but you ever seen those YouTube videos where they show like a marksman or a marine, and they show them a movie, and they're like, this is ridiculous, that would never happen, you know?

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, my dad was a pilot in World War II, flew a B-17, and I took him to see Memphis Belle, and he sort of enjoyed it, but he said, that's ridiculous, the idea that you'd get in a fight with someone when you're over enemy territory. Messerschmitts and... Flack and you're gonna have a fistfight about some girl. That's the stupidest thing.

• 46:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 46:13Sam Morril?

  There's some stuff.

• 46:13Speaker 01

  And he said, also, you can't talk.

• 46:15Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  You can't talk to each other. You got four Rolls Royce engines right by you.

• 46:20Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 46:21Speaker 01

  With no mufflers.

• 46:22Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it just takes you out of the movie.

• 46:24Sam Morril?

  There's some stuff in the movie Lenny with Dustin Hoffman. They're just like, ugh, you know, and he's a great actor.

• 46:29Mark Normand?

  He's great.

• 46:29Sam Morril?

  And, uh, and the movie's got some great parts too, but there's just, yeah, as a comic, you're just like, oh, man, even, even a comic of that age wouldn't do. You know, who played a great comic was Sandler in Funny People, but he's a comic. So.

• 46:41Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 46:42Sam Morril?

  So he knows.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  When I, I thought, when I saw Hamlet and they end up at the Old Globe and I thought, oh, no, don't, don't, don't show acting. You can't, you can't make a movie.

• 46:52Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Stage acting. It just never works.

• 46:55Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 46:56Speaker 01

  And it did.

• 46:57Mark Normand?

  They pulled it off.

• 46:58Sam Morril?

  I gotta say, I haven't seen it.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  It's so moving. It's because it wasn't so much about them on stage. It was the look on her face. She'd never been to a play before.

• 47:06Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  That just killed me.

• 47:08Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. The, the run of Oscars, the nominees this year were pretty damn good.

• 47:12Sam Morril?

  There's some good stuff, man.

• 47:13Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  It was not a good year to get an Oscar nomination.

• 47:16Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 47:16Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 47:17Speaker 01

  Stiff competition.

• 47:18Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm. Okay, Severance, great show. Took me a second, but boy, once you're in, you're in.

• 47:24Sam Morril?

  I gotta watch it. I'm gonna, that's like next on my list. I'm gonna watch.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  It's astounding. I, I don't know how they keep that, that ball in the air that long.

• 47:32Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah. So smart, so relevant.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:37Mark Normand?

  Kinda eerie too. Almost has like a sixties twilight-y, zoning kind of vibe.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  I think Ben Stiller is, that, he's the guy. He.

• 47:45Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  I think he wrote, he wrote some of them, I think, and he directed a whole bunch of them. It's brilliant work on his part.

• 47:53Mark Normand?

  Brilliant. And he just, he has a show now, he produces called Born to Bowl, that I'm, I'm a huge fan of on HBO. It's like a docu-series about the bowling world. Fascinating.

• 48:02Sam Morril?

  His, the doc on his parents was great that he did.

• 48:04Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:05Sam Morril?

  Still in mirror. I loved it.

• 48:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that was great. I watched that off your Rick.

• 48:08Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 48:08Mark Normand?

  Heavy, heavy stuff.

• 48:10Sam Morril?

  And, and Veep. Veep is another, I love Veep.

• 48:12Mark Normand?

  Veep is underrated. The Joker second. Hilarious.

• 48:16Sam Morril?

  Everyone's out for themselves. I love it.

• 48:18Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Julie Louise is a beast.

• 48:21Sam Morril?

  Insane ensemble.

• 48:21Speaker 01

  This is what I love about it too. It's, it's farcical. I mean, it's really broad and yet those guys play it so. Truthfully, that they get away with it.

• 48:31Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 48:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:33Mark Normand?

  Selfish, fun.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  And she's fabulous.

• 48:37Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. She kills everything she does.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  She's great.

• 48:40Mark Normand?

  She's great. We gotta get her on. She's a dream guest.

• 48:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, we gotta, we gotta.

• 48:45Mark Normand?

  I don't see her on a lot of pods. What do you think about the pod world, the podcast world?

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Have you done a lot of podcasts? Yeah, recently, in the last year and a half.

• 48:55Mark Normand?

  Is it weird?

• 48:56Speaker 01

  No, this is, I love this. We just get to sit together and shoot the shit. It's better than a

• 49:03Mark Normand?

  Talk show.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  An interview.

• 49:05Mark Normand?

  Agreed.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Or a talk show where everything's gotta be chopped up and a lot of my friends listen to a lot of podcasts. Felicity loves them.

• 49:14Mark Normand?

  All right, great. Yeah, I remember I did, what's the guy's name? You just, Rich Eisen. And I showed up and I was like, all right, here we go. What do you guys do? An hour, hour and a half? They're like, eight minutes? And I was like, oh, this is TV. I forgot. This is like the old way.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:28Mark Normand?

  Because you can't really get too far with eight minutes.

• 49:31Speaker 01

  No.

• 49:31Mark Normand?

  But here we can really dig in.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can cut it down later, but

• 49:35Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 49:35Speaker 01

  It's fun to be able to talk.

• 49:37Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I gotta pee.

• 49:40Mark Normand?

  Please.

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Is when a girl I started seeing, every story she tells, she gives like the full name of the people.

• 49:46Mark Normand?

  Mmm.

• 49:47Speaker 01

  She'll be like, I was talking to Peter Glassman and then Rick Stevens. I'm like, I don't know any of these.

• 49:53Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  I'm not the BBC. I'm not fact checking these stories. You can just tell me the name, the first name.

• 49:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true. I don't need all this.

• 50:01Speaker 01

  It's not a huge peeve. It's just like, what, what do you, it's just adding to the story.

• 50:04Mark Normand?

  No, I get it. Then, how about this guy who does this one too, off of that one, piggybacking? The guy goes, so I was hanging out with Bob Johnson. You know Bob Johnson? You're like, no, I don't know Bob Johnson. Oh, okay. Yeah, I thought you might know him. No, I don't know him. All right, well, then I was hanging out with Philip Johnson the other day. You know Philip Johnson? Like, no, I don't know, I don't know anybody. Just tell the story. I don't know these people.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, the cast is secondary to the story. I don't know the cast.

• 50:26Mark Normand?

  Yes, yes. And you feel like an idiot.

• 50:28Speaker 01

  How about this? Hey, how was your vacation in Italy? And they pull out their phone. It was great. You gotta show you this. Five minutes later, he's still trying to find this freaking picture.

• 50:38Mark Normand?

  You gotta prepare that if you're gonna Show me.

• 50:40Sam Morril?

  And these stories better dazzle me.

• 50:41Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 50:42Sam Morril?

  These pictures.

• 50:43Mark Normand?

  I know. Isn't it crazy to think in the 90s, you would invite people over to show them a slideshow of your trip? That was like a thing where people would come by with a, you know, a case of beer, a bottle of wine, and they'd be like, oh, you went to Rome.

• 50:54Sam Morril?

  By the way, this is a wreck too. Old headphones, seven bucks on Amazon.

• 50:58Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 50:58Sam Morril?

  I've lost like three pairs of AirPods drunk.

• 51:01Mark Normand?

  I love an AirPod.

• 51:02Sam Morril?

  I, I like them, but this is, I'm telling you, dude.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  I know. They tie themselves into knots.

• 51:07Sam Morril?

  They do. The knots are, that's a peeve, I'll give you that. But what's great about these is I never have someone say I can't, and the AirPods is always like, I can't hear you. There's always an issue on the call.

• 51:17Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 51:17Sam Morril?

  Never an issue with these.

• 51:18Mark Normand?

  That's true. That's true.

• 51:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 51:21Mark Normand?

  And I think there's something about the, the wire that people give you more respect. You got AirPods in, people are like, hey, what's up, man? And you gotta do this. But with the wire, people leave you alone.

• 51:29Sam Morril?

  It looks more important.

• 51:30Mark Normand?

  It looks more important.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Do you guys have, you're both in the business and you're both rock on tours, but when you're chatting with your friends, when you're out with civilians? And they tell stories, I, I'm a bit ADD anyway, and my wife says, I gotta learn to cover it because someone will start telling a story who thinks he or she is a great storyteller and I.

• 51:53Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Fall asleep.

• 51:55Sam Morril?

  That's what this is for, right here.

• 51:56Mark Normand?

  Yeah. You gotta have an ending, folks. If you're gonna, if you're gonna hold court and tell a story, you better have a.

• 52:03Speaker 01

  Drive for the curtain. Drive for the curtain.

• 52:06Mark Normand?

  Yes, cut, edit, keep it tight. And a nice twist and a bow at the end.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  That's why I love to hang out with actors. Everybody tells great stories.

• 52:14Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 52:14Speaker 01

  And then give somebody else time. When you're, when you're with people that don't do what we do, you tell your story and just as you get to the punchline, they go, you know, a funny thing happened to me. Wait a second, I'm just about to tell the.

• 52:29Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 52:30Sam Morril?

  I was building tension.

• 52:31Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Jeez.

• 52:33Mark Normand?

  I know, it's brutal. No, no, uh, we gotta ask, what actors do you really hate?

• 52:40Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 52:41Mark Normand?

  Modine?

• 52:42Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:43Mark Normand?

  Come on.

• 52:45Speaker 01

  No, I've never acted with Matthew. Should I hate him?

• 52:49Sam Morril?

  No, he's just throwing a random name.

• 52:50Mark Normand?

  Tommy Lee Jones, huh?

• 52:52Speaker 01

  He was rough.

• 52:54Sam Morril?

  Was he?

• 52:54Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 52:55Speaker 01

  Well, I'm not letting out any secrets and he would.

• 52:58Sam Morril?

  I've heard he's rough from a lot of people. Also, I've also heard he's a bad tipper.

• 53:02Mark Normand?

  Oh, you hear that, Tom?

• 53:05Sam Morril?

  That's like the word in the street in Texas, like, he doesn't tip.

• 53:08Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 53:09Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I heard the Jim Carrey story. What did you work with him on?

• 53:13Speaker 01

  I did not work with him. Wait, was I in a Jim Carrey movie?

• 53:16Sam Morril?

  No, no, no, Tommy Lee Jones.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  The Client? Look it up.

• 53:22Mark Normand?

  The Client, pull it up.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  It's one of those big ones.

• 53:27Sam Morril?

  How, was he just kind of a curmudgeon or what?

• 53:29Mark Normand?

  Oh, I love The Client.

• 53:30Speaker 01

  I did not act with him, but I've just heard that he can be really tough. You know, there are a lot of actors out there, it pisses me off. There are a lot of actors out there who make life miserable for a lot of people and they don't get busted for it and it pisses me off. Life is too short.

• 53:48Mark Normand?

  Here, here. That's a great gig. We're acting for a living. Like, what are you complaining about?

• 53:53Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:54Mark Normand?

  You know, there's roofers out there.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  I think, I think they're frightened, is what it is. They're frightened and

• 54:02Speaker 01

  I've seen it. You've got two things that are, you've got this script that you've gotta hang your ass over the line, that you gotta, this script, what are you gonna do? It's, it's a great unknown.

• 54:15Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  You don't know what, how to solve the problem and some actors love it, The Great Unknown. You're flying without a parachute.

• 54:24Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 54:25Speaker 01

  They, they love that and it's improvisatory, but other actors get frightened and so they create something they can be angry with.

• 54:33Mark Normand?

  Hmm, got it.

• 54:35Speaker 01

  So, it's the catering, or it's the costume, or it's the, the DP, you know.

• 54:43Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Can you clear the eye line? Can you? I don't know.

• 54:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:46Sam Morril?

  You never hear about that at like other jobs, though. It's so funny.

• 54:50Mark Normand?

  What do you mean?

• 54:50Sam Morril?

  I don't know, you're like, I need, I need a motivation today, you know?

• 54:53Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, right.

• 54:54Sam Morril?

  I gotta be a dick.

• 54:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you're a truck driver. You don't need a motivation. Just get there.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are the luckiest people in the world. You're right, we could be working for a living, so be grateful.

• 55:04Mark Normand?

  Yeah, right. You're beloved. People love your characters all over the world. It's, it's awesome.

• 55:09Sam Morril?

  How about, uh, I just forgot, you're in Air Force One. You're in so many movies that it's like, it's crazy to be in so many movies. I'm like, oh yeah, you're in another classic.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:16Mark Normand?

  Get off my pod.

• 55:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I mean, that was a huge, huge hit movie.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  That was big. Harrison's the real deal, too.

• 55:27Sam Morril?

  He was fun to work with?

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. He's, uh,

• 55:30Mark Normand?

  He's an icon.

• 55:31Speaker 01

  He's intense. Of course, it was an intense role. He can also be very funny.

• 55:35Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm. And he's a pilot, I believe.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  Yes, yes.

• 55:40Mark Normand?

  Cool dude. Started out as a carpenter. And he would read the scripts on, uh, Star Wars, and then they hired him.

• 55:47Sam Morril?

  I remember he popped up in the, he like really young in that movie, The Conversation, remember?

• 55:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 55:52Sam Morril?

  He's a really small

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Coppola film, The Conversation?

• 55:55Sam Morril?

  Yeah, Harrison Ford's in it.

• 55:57Mark Normand?

  Is that his first flick?

• 55:59Sam Morril?

  I don't know.

• 56:00Mark Normand?

  Look, uh, he's a handsome guy.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  He really is.

• 56:04Mark Normand?

  Wow, he was also in, I believe, Apocalypse Now.

• 56:07Sam Morril?

  Was he?

• 56:08Mark Normand?

  Pull it up. I think he's got a two-second part.

• 56:11Sam Morril?

  Flew all the way out there for two seconds?

• 56:13Mark Normand?

  Boom! Look at that. He's a, he's like a private.

• 56:16Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it, it's, it's a bit part?

• 56:20Mark Normand?

  Bit part.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Cause I remember him.

• 56:21Mark Normand?

  I think he's got one line.

• 56:23Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 56:24Mark Normand?

  And I think, uh, what's his name? Fishburne lied about his age to get in that.

• 56:28Speaker 01

  He did. Uh, yeah. I talked to the fish about that.

• 56:31Mark Normand?

  The fish?

• 56:34Mark Normand?

  He's a cool guy. I mean, he's in The Matrix. I mean, what is it about brothers who direct? There's something there. You got the Wachowski, you got the Cohen,

• 56:42Sam Morril?

  They're the sisters now, though.

• 56:43Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's true. They transitioned, both of them, which is crazy.

• 56:46Sam Morril?

  Both of them? What are the odds?

• 56:47Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 56:49Sam Morril?

  They, they made a really cool movie in the 90s. You ever see that one, Bound? With, uh,

• 56:52Mark Normand?

  No.

• 56:53Sam Morril?

  Jennifer Tilly and Gina Gershon? Great 90s flick, dude.

• 56:57Mark Normand?

  It's a hot couple.

• 56:57Sam Morril?

  It's like a 90s noir.

• 57:00Mark Normand?

  Oh, fun.

• 57:01Speaker 01

  Oh, there's Susan. I'm gonna do a, a film with Susan Sarandon next.

• 57:05Sam Morril?

  I heard.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  It's called Exit Right.

• 57:06Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's right, yeah, yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  Boy, talk about, uh, a resume. Every, all your favorite movies.

• 57:12Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 57:13Speaker 01

  She's in every single one of them.

• 57:14Mark Normand?

  Bull Durham, The Client.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  It just doesn't end.

• 57:18Mark Normand?

  Rocky Horror Picture Show.

• 57:21Mark Normand?

  Uh, she's pretty milfy.

• 57:22Sam Morril?

  Oh, Thelma and Louise.

• 57:24Mark Normand?

  Ah, come on.

• 57:27Sam Morril?

  Darker than you remember that movie.

• 57:28Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, they kill some people.

• 57:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah. I guess I should think it's dark. The famous thing is I'm driving off a cliff.

• 57:35Mark Normand?

  Right, good point.

• 57:36Sam Morril?

  No, it's actually dark. It's not for everyone.

• 57:39Mark Normand?

  No.

• 57:40Sam Morril?

  It's a cool movie.

• 57:41Mark Normand?

  Very cool. Young Brad Pitt.

• 57:44Mark Normand?

  Wow, look at that.

• 57:45Sam Morril?

  So can you talk about what's that movie about that you're doing with Susan?

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Um. It's a, it's an odd plot, but I, I, through the machinations of the script, uh, they end up in a homeless camp. And, um, uh, it's all about that. She's got a disease. I play her husband. And, um, it's, it's a, I think it's a tearjerker. I think it's going to be really sweet.

• 58:12Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Great relationship we have, the, the, you know, on the film.

• 58:17Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 58:17Sam Morril?

  Are there any directors that you're like, oh, I really wish I worked with that person?

• 58:20Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, lots.

• 58:21Mark Normand?

  Like a, you ever do Tarantino?

• 58:24Speaker 01

  No, I'd, I'd love to.

• 58:27Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  You know, I didn't get to work with, I don't know if, well, Francis Coppola made another film, but you know, those guys that I.

• 58:39Sam Morril?

  Megalopolis 2, Make It Happen.

• 58:42Speaker 01

  I'd love to work with them. Um, yeah, there are lots.

• 58:46Mark Normand?

  Scorsese?

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Absolutely. In a New York minute.

• 58:50Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Come on, Marty. What are we doing here? Get the man in a movie.

• 58:56Mark Normand?

  I remember seeing you in Mr. Holland's Opus.

• 58:58Sam Morril?

  Oh, that was a good one.

• 59:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah, they were the principal.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  I was the principal. Great story.

• 59:04Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  I, uh, nobody knew who I was. It was way back. I think it was, yeah, it was before Fargo, probably. And at any rate. I gave myself a buzz cut.

• 59:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Flat top. And Mr. Holland has lost control of his class. So the kids are all screaming and yelling. And as the vice principal, I go walking in and I say, what's going on? And I'm, I tell them to sit down and I got a big voice and I can really. And it was so, I did it so big that these couple of girls sort of giggled. And I turned on them with a vengeance and I said, you think this is funny? And they scared the shit out of me. So I'm sitting in my chair, we're lighting the thing and these girls come up and they go, are you really a vice principal? And I said, no, no, I'm not really a vice principal. They said, oh, what do you do?

• 59:57Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 59:59Sam Morril?

  That's great.

• 1:00:00Mark Normand?

  That's flattering.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  I, there he is, yeah.

• 1:00:03Mark Normand?

  Look at that stiff. I mean, that is a 50s.

• 1:00:07Speaker 01

  Vice principal.

• 1:00:08Mark Normand?

  Yeah, completely.

• 1:00:09Sam Morril?

  That's a you're in trouble.

• 1:00:10Mark Normand?

  Totally.

• 1:00:11Sam Morril?

  Face, holy shit.

• 1:00:12Mark Normand?

  Man, that buzz is beautiful.

• 1:00:14Sam Morril?

  Yeah, thank you for smoking another great one.

• 1:00:16Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Great, great movie.

• 1:00:19Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Mark Normand?

  That's a comedy. That's true, that's very funny.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  I knew it was coming though. It's called Mr. Holland's Opus and it took place in this auditorium and I thought, and they put me right in the middle of it and I thought, oh my God, I'm gonna be in every shot. So I spent a week looking at Richard's back as he waved his arms with a little stick. It just went on and on and on and on.

• 1:00:44Mark Normand?

  Let me ask your advice here. I'm the worst actor on the planet. I've auditioned for 5,000 things, I've never gotten one. Somebody told me to dress the part. Would you agree with that?

• 1:00:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:55Mark Normand?

  So like, are you going for a principal? Do you go glasses, suit, haircut?

• 1:01:00Speaker 01

  You gotta trick them. Um, look at, at an audition, the most nervous person in the room is the director.

• 1:01:09Mark Normand?

  Huh.

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Because if he or she casts this well, you're almost home. If you cast it badly, why bother?

• 1:01:17Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  It's, if you blow the casting. So they're praying for the character to walk in the room. Now, if you do too much, it's unseemly somehow. It, um, but you do just enough. You find that part of yourself that could be a schoolteacher.

• 1:01:37Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Just a little bit of it and you. You act that way, just a little bit. If you get caught, that's no good.

• 1:01:45Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:01:47Mark Normand?

  So you go a little extra, a little over the top?

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Just. Now, everything is self tapes. My, my daughter, Sophia Macy, is doing hundreds of self tapes. And I tell her, dress the part. If it's a doctor, at least wear all white or something like that. In other words, help the director out as much as you can.

• 1:02:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Sam Morril?

  Visualize it.

• 1:02:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  Be, be that character a little bit when you walk in the room.

• 1:02:16Mark Normand?

  Hmm. Well, I did a pool boy audition and I said, screw it. I'm gonna go shirtless just to mix it up. And I still didn't get it, which is even worse, because then you just walk out of there with no shirt on. Very embarrassing.

• 1:02:28Speaker 01

  Auditioning is tough, man. It's the worst part of the business.

• 1:02:31Mark Normand?

  Hate it.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  I mean, if you're a one in a million type, there are seven of you here in Manhattan.

• 1:02:37Mark Normand?

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:02:39Sam Morril?

  It's true.

• 1:02:39Mark Normand?

  Sometimes you just gotta look the part and that's it. It doesn't even matter the acting.

• 1:02:42Sam Morril?

  We wrote a movie and we're in the process, hopefully filming it in July, but there's been so many hurdles, you know.

• 1:02:49Speaker 01

  It's a minor miracle.

• 1:02:50Sam Morril?

  It's crazy, yeah. I think we're still gonna shoot in July, but it's been, it's our first movie, so we'll, you know.

• 1:02:55Mark Normand?

  It's tough. It's like getting a woman pregnant at forty five. It can happen, but it's rare.

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  It might not come out so good.

• 1:03:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:05Mark Normand?

  A little wonky.

• 1:03:07Speaker 01

  Who, who wrote it?

• 1:03:08Sam Morril?

  We wrote it, yeah, with, with two other writers.

• 1:03:11Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:03:12Sam Morril?

  Noah and Esther. So, yeah.

• 1:03:13Mark Normand?

  Yeah, just straight comedy, joke, joke, joke.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Indie?

• 1:03:17Mark Normand?

  Indie, big indie.

• 1:03:18Sam Morril?

  Indie, yeah. But it's, you know, we love movies. We wanna do it at some point, but we, you know, we're not gonna be like, like a guy like you, but we like, we like movies, we like being comedians, so we think, you know.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  You'll, you'll be in it too?

• 1:03:30Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Who's gonna direct it?

• 1:03:32Sam Morril?

  Jonah Feingold.

• 1:03:33Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:03:34Sam Morril?

  Who's, uh, who's done some cool stuff.

• 1:03:36Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:37Sam Morril?

  Yeah, hopefully, uh, hopefully it works out.

• 1:03:39Mark Normand?

  Yeah, hopefully we can shoot this summer and get that puppy out there on the streamers.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  It's fun. I love making movies.

• 1:03:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  I it's just rare in this world when you get this disparate group of people all pulling in the same direction for a piece of art.

• 1:03:58Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:03:59Speaker 01

  That's something.

• 1:04:00Mark Normand?

  That is great. And we're all just playing make believe as adults. It's a wild, wild occupation.

• 1:04:05Sam Morril?

  I heard, I saw a clip of Brian Regan, you know, great comedian recently saying like, I would pay to do comedy.

• 1:04:12Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:04:13Sam Morril?

  I get paid to do comedy.

• 1:04:14Mark Normand?

  Exactly.

• 1:04:15Sam Morril?

  He said, I, it's like, it's like, I pay to play golf. I love golf. I love doing comedy.

• 1:04:19Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:04:19Sam Morril?

  And I was just like, oh, wow. Yeah. It's a great way to just look at life.

• 1:04:23Mark Normand?

  The best.

• 1:04:23Sam Morril?

  Is that this is fun.

• 1:04:25Mark Normand?

  I used to pay to do comedy. I have open mics used to charge you five bucks. Remember that?

• 1:04:28Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Mark Normand?

  Crazy. That's how you know you want it. I love these guys who start comedy and like, so how do I get an agent? When do I start making money? And I'm like, you're already out. You don't like it enough.

• 1:04:38Sam Morril?

  Well, if they're focused on the wrong stuff.

• 1:04:40Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:04:40Sam Morril?

  Are there any young actors or actresses that you look at that you're like, oh, this is really cool?

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I mean,

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  well,

• 1:04:50Speaker 01

  I'll say it. My daughter,

• 1:04:51Mark Normand?

  There you go.

• 1:04:52Speaker 01

  Sophia Macy. I watch her on these self tapes and I think, oh, man, you are annoyingly good.

• 1:04:59Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  She's got that it thing, you know?

• 1:05:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:03Sam Morril?

  I don't have. She comes from two parents who, do you think she?

• 1:05:05Speaker 01

  I don't know if you can.

• 1:05:06Mark Normand?

  Good stock.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe it has something to do with it.

• 1:05:08Sam Morril?

  They pick up on the, on your mannerisms. I think, I think that's a thing. Like, I met my biological father late in life. We had these same fucking mannerisms.

• 1:05:15Mark Normand?

  No way.

• 1:05:16Sam Morril?

  I think some of it is innate.

• 1:05:17Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 1:05:19Sam Morril?

  Sure.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, they laugh about the dinner table because, you know, we, we were just talking about cut to the chase, hon.

• 1:05:28Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:05:29Speaker 01

  They said, you were taking your life into your own hands. Felicity was really good saying, how was your day? But I just couldn't help myself. When it started going off the rails, I would say, stick to it, hon. You're losing me.

• 1:05:40Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:05:43Mark Normand?

  Yeah, what's even Reitman, Reitman's son is a great director.

• 1:05:47Sam Morril?

  Oh, Jason Reitman.

• 1:05:48Mark Normand?

  Yeah, incredible. So there's gotta be.

• 1:05:50Speaker 01

  Smoking, thank you for smoking.

• 1:05:52Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  He's a great director.

• 1:05:53Sam Morril?

  That was a great movie.

• 1:05:54Speaker 01

  It was.

• 1:05:55Sam Morril?

  That was, that's, that's a dark comedy.

• 1:05:58Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  Isn't it?

• 1:05:59Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:59Speaker 01

  It's really dark.

• 1:06:01Mark Normand?

  Did he do Up in the Air?

• 1:06:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah, great movie.

• 1:06:03Mark Normand?

  Great movie.

• 1:06:04Sam Morril?

  That's, that hit as traveling comedians. I was like, holy shit.

• 1:06:08Mark Normand?

  Totally.

• 1:06:08Sam Morril?

  I've had too many conversations about airline status. That really, I was like, oh, how do we get this? You know, how do we get this perk? Yeah, that hit.

• 1:06:17Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:06:17Sam Morril?

  Great flick.

• 1:06:18Mark Normand?

  Now, where are you at on the nepo stuff? Cause some people really come down hard on the nepo, but I'm like, well, why wouldn't she go for being an actress? You know, like just cause he, her parents, she can't act?

• 1:06:29Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Mark Normand?

  I never got that nepo hate. I get it if they stink. And you're like, okay, she got in cause of this. But if you're good, you're good.

• 1:06:36Speaker 01

  You know, nepotism might get you a role and it might get you two roles, but if you're not good, you're not gonna get a third role.

• 1:06:42Mark Normand?

  There you go.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  And this is a tough business.

• 1:06:44Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And the business feels like it's changing too. So you gotta really keep up with it.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, this AI thing.

• 1:06:53Mark Normand?

  Ew.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Don't know what's gonna happen.

• 1:06:55Mark Normand?

  Scary.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  I think the government should get involved. I think we should watermark anything that's especially in the, if it's, if there's a copyright.

• 1:07:05Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  Kind of a thing. Just watermark it and let us decide.

• 1:07:08Mark Normand?

  That's good. That's good.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  I mean, if, if the score to the film was made by a computer, by AI, just let us know and we'll decide whether we wanna go see that movie or not.

• 1:07:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I like it.

• 1:07:21Sam Morril?

  Like I hope that people want to support people. I think that's part of, you know, like I, I love sports and I love watching a player have to reinvent their game as they get older and adapt. And maybe they don't have the speed and they have to, you know, I like monitoring, you know, an actor's rise and a director. I like following their career. Like the Scorsese doc was so fascinating because we're seeing how he starts with like boxcar Bertha.

• 1:07:46Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:07:46Sam Morril?

  And then ends up, you know, the aviator to all these other movies. And it's like, that's interesting. It's not interesting for a created robot's ascendance. Who gives a fuck?

• 1:07:57Mark Normand?

  Yeah. And you can think with humans, there's a twinkle. There's something there. Like you ever see AI porn? It's not the same. There's no sadness. There's no struggle. I need the, I need the real runaway, you know, uh, trauma.

• 1:08:10Sam Morril?

  You might have created the only good place for AI.

• 1:08:12Mark Normand?

  Ah, damn it.

• 1:08:14Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:08:14Mark Normand?

  Anal insertion.

• 1:08:16Speaker 01

  I'm not against it. I recently, okay, like, you're gonna play a Klingon or something like that. Um.

• 1:08:23Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  You get two choices. You wanna sit in the chair, in the makeup chair, for six and a half hours?

• 1:08:27Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Or just do a little bit and let AI do the rest.

• 1:08:31Mark Normand?

  That's not bad.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  It's still my face. I did Planet of the Apes, the, the new one. And, um, I got to act with all these guys, cuz they wore a suit and it had sensors in it and they wore this sort of cloth helmet.

• 1:08:45Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  But I was looking at their faces. And then when you looked in the monitor.

• 1:08:50Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:08:51Speaker 01

  They were apes.

• 1:08:52Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 1:08:53Speaker 01

  In real time.

• 1:08:54Mark Normand?

  So you had to do some real acting there.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you knew what was going on. It was, it was a tool. They didn't even use that, what we saw on the monitor. They did it all again.

• 1:09:03Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:09:03Speaker 01

  But, um, that works.

• 1:09:06Mark Normand?

  That's not bad, yeah, cuz it's special effects anyway with the makeup.

• 1:09:10Speaker 01

  But you wanna know what? We went, we did a big opening for it. It was a big splashy movie, made a lot of money. And, um, I, I think we did it, yeah, we did it at Grauman's in, in LA.

• 1:09:20Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  And, um, the young woman who was in it, she was a human. There were, I was a human. There were other humans, but they didn't have roles. They were just humans.

• 1:09:34Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  And I walked in and everybody went crazy for the two of us. And these poor schmucks, these guys who had been working on this thing for two years, they walked in, nobody knew who they were.

• 1:09:47Mark Normand?

  That sucks. Yeah, it's like the backup band.

• 1:09:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Mark Normand?

  You know, Springsteen or something. Ah, that does stink. Look at that.

• 1:10:01Mark Normand?

  All right, wow. Boy, you got a lot of range. You're in all, every different kind of role.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm a lucky guy.

• 1:10:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah. And you got stuff in the back burner, too. You got the, this TV show, The Land, and you got the Serandat movie.

• 1:10:16Sam Morril?

  Yeah, you don't really have to ever retire. You can kind of do this forever.

• 1:10:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's an altercocker almost in every film.

• 1:10:23Mark Normand?

  A who what?

• 1:10:24Speaker 01

  An old guy.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  So, as long as I can stay upright and learn the lines, why not?

• 1:10:32Mark Normand?

  Yeah, keep going.

• 1:10:33Speaker 01

  Although, it is a lot of work. I might be getting to the 10-hour day.

• 1:10:38Mark Normand?

  Uh oh.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  I'm afraid. I might have to say.

• 1:10:41Mark Normand?

  You got enough juice for that?

• 1:10:42Speaker 01

  I, uh... The Land is episodic, so I, I had a couple of full days, but man, when I had a 12-hour day.

• 1:10:51Mark Normand?

  Woo!

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  I'm out of juice at 10.

• 1:10:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I hear ya.

• 1:10:55Sam Morril?

  But you seem pretty healthy. I mean, you're fit. You, you just got your stuff together, it seems.

• 1:11:00Mark Normand?

  Full out of hair.

• 1:11:01Speaker 01

  I got my hair, I got my health, but it's a 12-hour day, especially if you've got a lot to do and you're concentrating the whole time.

• 1:11:09Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:10Speaker 01

  I'm done in. I'm wrung out by that time.

• 1:11:13Mark Normand?

  Oh, I, I get it. You're on. Yeah, like, uh, that's why movies are tough for me. I've only been in a couple, but there's so much downtime. I just want to get moving. Let's, we're comedians. We write a joke, we tell the joke.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:24Mark Normand?

  You know, these movies.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  We'll do TV. It, it moves very fast.

• 1:11:27Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 1:11:27Sam Morril?

  I do like having the, the response. Like, I know if a joke's funny that night.

• 1:11:32Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:11:32Sam Morril?

  I love that. It's something, yeah, script. Comedy's hard. You know, you, you're like, is this funny? I guess people do table reads and stuff.

• 1:11:39Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:40Sam Morril?

  Man, is it nice to just know.

• 1:11:42Mark Normand?

  It is.

• 1:11:42Sam Morril?

  Or to at least know if it's close, and you're like, all right, I can keep tweaking.

• 1:11:45Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:11:46Sam Morril?

  But...

• 1:11:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah, we need the audience.

• 1:11:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. And when you're on a film, you, there's a danger to start playing to the grips, and that's death. You know, that you, first time they hear it, they laugh.

• 1:11:59Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:11:59Speaker 01

  You try to get them to keep laughing. No, it's...

• 1:12:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah, because it...

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  One of the hardest things in acting is when you do it, and you did it fully, and you had a nice moment. Stop, that's it.

• 1:12:13Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  Don't keep trying to improve it. That's why when they come up for your close up, you go, well, I did it great in the master, but I'm gonna do it a little bit better.

• 1:12:22Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  It's just a kiss of death.

• 1:12:24Mark Normand?

  Totally.

• 1:12:25Speaker 01

  You don't do it better, just do it again, fully.

• 1:12:28Mark Normand?

  Yes. I heard Eastwood does a million takes.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  No, he doesn't.

• 1:12:32Sam Morril?

  No, he does like one, right? Oh, okay.

• 1:12:36Sam Morril?

  What, are there any movie recs you have? Cause our audience loves a good rec.

• 1:12:41Speaker 01

  Films that I've been in that didn't work?

• 1:12:44Sam Morril?

  No, I meant like a film recommendation, but no, that's good.

• 1:12:47Speaker 01

  Oh, recs.

• 1:12:48Mark Normand?

  That we would like or not, maybe not know of.

• 1:12:50Sam Morril?

  But that's interesting too, like being in a movie and being like, this is gonna work and it just doesn't, that's actually pretty interesting too.

• 1:12:55Mark Normand?

  That's fascinating. We have that with jokes.

• 1:12:58Speaker 01

  Well, is this thing on? I love that.

• 1:13:00Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  I watched all the Oscars this year, I liked Hamlet.

• 1:13:07Mark Normand?

  What's a movie you think is overrated?

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  Bring up the Oscar films, uh, Secret Agent, was that one of them?

• 1:13:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, that was one, yeah. The Hispanic guy.

• 1:13:22Speaker 01

  I could not, that, I kept waiting for that film to begin. Everyone loved it, I'm.

• 1:13:29Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 1:13:29Speaker 01

  I'm the, I'm an outlier on this. It's well acted.

• 1:13:33Mark Normand?

  I didn't either. He's good, the main guy.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's fabulous.

• 1:13:37Mark Normand?

  But alright, yeah, it's brilliantly rewarding is the review, hilarious.

• 1:13:43Mark Normand?

  Okay, that didn't begin, got it, never got off the ground.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  I'm old fashioned when it comes to films. I, I like a good story, I like the ending to be unexpected. I believe in three act structure.

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  If I don't know, it's sort of the Robert McKee, you know, Robert McKee? He did a story structure class. He was the guru for a long time, his books are out there. I took a seminar with him over the weekend. And, um, he teaches three act structure and his premises.

• 1:14:17Sam Morril?

  Is this the guy that did an adaptation where Brian Cox plays him?

• 1:14:21Speaker 01

  Could be. Could be. Anyway, he's the smartest guy.

• 1:14:26Mark Normand?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  He really, he says that the cavemen used three act structure.

• 1:14:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:14:33Speaker 01

  It's the way our brains work.

• 1:14:34Mark Normand?

  Interesting.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  And basically, he says, you better know who the good guy is and who the bad guy is and what the issue is by about page thirty.

• 1:14:41Mark Normand?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:42Speaker 01

  Cause you'll lose him if you don't.

• 1:14:43Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:14:44Sam Morril?

  You know what's awesome? I was, I, we watched Mean Streets the other night and uh, there's that shot where De Niro walks into the bar with two girls, one on, you know, on each arm.

• 1:14:55Mark Normand?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:55Sam Morril?

  And they zoom in on Kaitel and you could just tell he's fucking annoyed with, and it's like, oh, you know exactly who they are.

• 1:15:02Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:15:03Sam Morril?

  In that one shot.

• 1:15:03Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:15:04Speaker 01

  Fabulous filmmaking.

• 1:15:05Sam Morril?

  Yeah, really cool.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  I love it when they can, when they say, you want to try it without saying it? I love that.

• 1:15:12Mark Normand?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  I think audiences like it too, like that moment.

• 1:15:15Sam Morril?

  That was a really cool moment. And it doesn't hurt when you're, when you're playing the Rolling Stones over it too.

• 1:15:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah, right.

• 1:15:21Sam Morril?

  Uh.

• 1:15:21Mark Normand?

  True.

• 1:15:22Sam Morril?

  But I mean, you think of your character in Boogie Nights, like we knew exactly who that guy was.

• 1:15:26Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:27Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:15:28Sam Morril?

  That, that's, I'm sure you hear about this shot all the time, but that one where you just walk into the party on the countdown has got to be one of the most iconic shots. That's like an I've arrived as a director shot, right?

• 1:15:39Mark Normand?

  Unbelievable. It's like a play. Everyone's in the right places. It's incredible.

• 1:15:43Sam Morril?

  How many times did you have to do that?

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Well, the um, the gore gun, as they call it, it's a backpack I had on and a little tube that coming up. And this is back in the day. I operated it.

• 1:15:55Mark Normand?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:15:55Speaker 01

  So they hooked it up to the pistol. So when I pulled the trigger, it fired the gore gun.

• 1:16:02Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 1:16:03Speaker 01

  And we.

• 1:16:06Mark Normand?

  Gore gun?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  We, we went through it, you know, it's a long scene. I, I start in the bedroom, go out to the car, come back, go all the way through the party and there's sixty people in there partying.

• 1:16:19Mark Normand?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  And then walk into the room and you hear shots and then I walk back out and then I blow my brains out.

• 1:16:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:16:26Mark Normand?

  Thanks for ruining it.

• 1:16:27Speaker 01

  First, first time we did it, uh.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  It wasn't ready, so Paul cut it. So, because it took a long time to clean all that stuff up.

• 1:16:37Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Second time, I walked out of the room and the gore gun went off by accident.

• 1:16:42Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 1:16:42Speaker 01

  So, we were shut down for an hour while they cleaned all that stuff up.

• 1:16:46Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Third time, it worked. And they're starting to get me ready to do another take. And I looked at all of them. Paul's in front of the monitor. And I watched them and I heard the shot and they all went, "Ooh."

• 1:17:01Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:17:02Speaker 01

  Their hands went in the air and they looked away and they said, "Play it again." And the second time they went, "Ooh." And I thought, "I think we got the shot."

• 1:17:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  And we did, that was it.

• 1:17:11Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:17:11Speaker 01

  One time it worked.

• 1:17:13Mark Normand?

  That's a good feeling, when the crew reacts.

• 1:17:15Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 1:17:16Mark Normand?

  Ah, such a good... Now, do you find that younger people are finding these 90s movies?

• 1:17:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I hear about Boogie Nights a lot. And Magnolia, Shameless is having a rebirth. There's all these young people come up. That was a while ago. And all these people... Felicity's having a rebirth with Desperate Housewives.

• 1:17:38Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  It's back. Moms are watching it with their daughters. And she gets recognized a lot for that.

• 1:17:44Mark Normand?

  Well, old TV was great. I mean, that's why people still watch The Office and Seinfeld and all that stuff. Because it's... It was well done.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  I still do. I watch the... It's my go-to.

• 1:17:54Mark Normand?

  The Office?

• 1:17:54Speaker 01

  The Office, or Seinfeld, or Veep, or...

• 1:17:57Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Modern Family.

• 1:18:00Mark Normand?

  Oh, great show.

• 1:18:01Speaker 01

  Love them.

• 1:18:02Sam Morril?

  I always watch old Simpsons still all the time.

• 1:18:04Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, you were in the Sim, that's gotta feel good.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know what I did.

• 1:18:11Mark Normand?

  What do you mean?

• 1:18:13Speaker 01

  My role was, they go, "Hi, it's William H. Macy." I said, "Yeah, you know, the thing about independent films..." And then they beat the shit out of me.

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  "But, I got the jacket." They sent me a jacket.

• 1:18:28Mark Normand?

  Oh, you got a jacket?

• 1:18:29Speaker 01

  Jacket.

• 1:18:29Sam Morril?

  What kind of jacket do you get?

• 1:18:30Mark Normand?

  I didn't know you got a jacket.

• 1:18:31Speaker 01

  It's a baseball jacket with all this stuff.

• 1:18:33Mark Normand?

  What?

• 1:18:34Sam Morril?

  Wow. It's pretty cool.

• 1:18:36Mark Normand?

  Well, we were gonna end this part the same way. Whale on ya.

• 1:18:42Mark Normand?

  No, that's fun.

• 1:18:43Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 1:18:44Mark Normand?

  Oh dude.

• 1:18:45Speaker 01

  Tell me about your whiskey.

• 1:18:47Mark Normand?

  Okay, hit him Sam.

• 1:18:49Sam Morril?

  Well, we call it Bodega Cat because our idea was what makes you happy? It's just something that makes you happy. You're in a bodega late at night and a little cat comes out. We just always made us smile, so.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 1:19:00Sam Morril?

  That was that. And then, you know, we like rye, so. Yeah, we drink a lot of Manhattans. That was kind of, and we always liked it with rye and.

• 1:19:10Sam Morril?

  Made in Indiana, bottled in Kentucky.

• 1:19:13Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:13Sam Morril?

  And.

• 1:19:15Mark Normand?

  It's got a great spice to it. The flavor is really unique and.

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  This print's too small. What's the mash bill for you?

• 1:19:21Mark Normand?

  Oh god.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Geez, I don't know off the top of my head.

• 1:19:23Mark Normand?

  Oh god.

• 1:19:26Speaker 01

  It's not all right, is it?

• 1:19:27Sam Morril?

  No. I think it's ninety-five and five. Let me see.

• 1:19:34Mark Normand?

  But yeah, every show we do, it's the, there's bodega flowing, all the, all the fans are drinking it. It's moving.

• 1:19:41Sam Morril?

  Nice.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  Good, good for you.

• 1:19:43Sam Morril?

  Yeah, well, you should definitely take a bottle off here, you know?

• 1:19:46Mark Normand?

  No pressure.

• 1:19:47Sam Morril?

  We'll keep yours in the studio.

• 1:19:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, try that purple gin.

• 1:19:50Mark Normand?

  I can't wait.

• 1:19:51Sam Morril?

  I think next episode we'll do it.

• 1:19:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah, let's do it. Can you think of any way you could sign the bottle, just for old times sake?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  I think I could.

• 1:19:57Sam Morril?

  Awesome.

• 1:19:57Mark Normand?

  Woo, yeah, we got Nick Offerman's whiskey over there as well.

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:20:01Sam Morril?

  The Lagavulin.

• 1:20:02Speaker 01

  You know, last week I, I met an actor who doesn't have a whiskey brand.

• 1:20:08Sam Morril?

  Why is it that we're all drawn to whiskey?

• 1:20:09Mark Normand?

  Well, it's Clooney's tequila.

• 1:20:11Sam Morril?

  That's true.

• 1:20:13Mark Normand?

  Or he was.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  Because. It's, I, for me, it's the romance of it. It's, it was two thousand years ago that we figured out the alemic still. Nobody knows who did it first. There's a good chance that they were trying to turn silver into gold. And that's where they came up. And.

• 1:20:35Speaker 01

  The whole distillation process predates written history. So it might have been Mesopotamia, it might have been in China, could have been in Europe, but the process has not changed.

• 1:20:45Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:46Speaker 01

  Our still, we'd, you take a pot, put some grain in, boil it, catch the steam and cool it down, drink with ice.

• 1:20:53Sam Morril?

  Not to mention, with all the cool characters drink, like Cowboys or Private Eyes, it's always whiskey.

• 1:20:59Mark Normand?

  Don Draper, Hemingway.

• 1:21:01Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:02Speaker 01

  A bottle of rye.

• 1:21:03Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  And I love rye in particular because I think it's America's drink. It was America's drink before bourbon.

• 1:21:11Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:12Speaker 01

  And the, the bourbon makers were ready as soon as prohibition was repealed, they were ready to go.

• 1:21:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  And rye sort of died with, it's having a comeback, but it died with prohibition.

• 1:21:24Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:21:24Speaker 01

  I tell this story a lot. I hope it's true, but when George Washington left office, they bounced his last two checks.

• 1:21:33Mark Normand?

  Ha.

• 1:21:34Speaker 01

  The government did.

• 1:21:35Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 1:21:35Speaker 01

  He needed money. You didn't make a lot of mon- he was rich and he didn't make a lot of money being president. So he started brewing, uh, distilling rye whiskey.

• 1:21:43Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:21:44Speaker 01

  And it was all in the East Coast. That's what everybody drank, rye whiskey. Old Manongahela, they called it, after the river. Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, that's where they made it.

• 1:21:55Mark Normand?

  Uh-huh. Wow. They weren't doing insider trading back then?

• 1:21:59Sam Morril?

  He didn't have a meme coin he could sell? What the hell?

• 1:22:03Mark Normand?

  Well, hey, check out the land, get a bottle.

• 1:22:07Sam Morril?

  And watch some of his classics too. I mean, there's so, he's in so many great movies. I mean, an insane resume.

• 1:22:13Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. You're one of the greatest American actors.

• 1:22:16Speaker 01

  Well, thank you, brothers.

• 1:22:16Sam Morril?

  So cool to meet you and have you on and, uh, thank you so much, man.

• 1:22:20Speaker 01

  And I can't wait to, to try your, your rye whiskey.

• 1:22:23Sam Morril?

  And wouldn't, wouldn't it try yours too?

• 1:22:24Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Three ice cubes. You're good to go.

• 1:22:26Speaker 01

  I've been, um, I've been. We go to various places like big chains that liquor stores and stuff like that all over the country or bars that we want to get into and we always buy everyone there a bottle of our whiskey as a gift, but we also do tastings. And it reminded me how swell it is to drink in the morning.

• 1:22:52Mark Normand?

  Tell me about it.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Just a little tiny sip, you know, you're supposed to spit it out, but I did these barrel tastings to choose my rye's. I've got three of them out there now. And that's an experience. You should do a barrel tasting sometime.

• 1:23:07Mark Normand?

  Oh, I would love to. We had to taste 10 different samples before we picked that one.

• 1:23:11Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 1:23:11Mark Normand?

  On air. So, yeah.

• 1:23:13Sam Morril?

  And we swallowed.

• 1:23:14Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:16Mark Normand?

  Swallow.

• 1:23:17Speaker 01

  And the barrel strength stuff, man.

• 1:23:19Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 1:23:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:21Mark Normand?

  Heavy duty.

• 1:23:22Speaker 01

  Ours are all overproofed. Is yours?

• 1:23:25Mark Normand?

  I think we're pretty standard.

• 1:23:27Sam Morril?

  Forty-seven, I think.

• 1:23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, we overproof them because bartenders like it for mixed drinks a lot.

• 1:23:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:23:33Sam Morril?

  We want to do, yeah, we want to do like a sherry cask or a port cask.

• 1:23:37Speaker 01

  That's big these days.

• 1:23:39Sam Morril?

  I think that'd be kind of cool, just as, just as an alternative. But, yeah, we're like you, I love it straight. When I'm on the road, it's always in my dressing room.

• 1:23:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:23:48Sam Morril?

  And it's nice, it's nice to make people cocktails. There's something very fun about, people come backstage and you shake them a Manhattan or something.

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:56Sam Morril?

  You know, we'll do a Boulevardier sometimes, whatever, but I feel like paper plan came back too from this pod, which everywhere I go now, people are making those.

• 1:24:05Mark Normand?

  Order one if you've never had one. Get it at a bar, they'll be ready for you.

• 1:24:08Sam Morril?

  It's one part rye, one part lemon juice, one part Amaro and Orineno, and one part Aperol. It's really, really good. A lot of sugar, but really good.

• 1:24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, thank you, gentlemen.

• 1:24:19Mark Normand?

  Hey, thank you, Bill.

• 1:24:21Speaker 01

  Great fun.

• 1:24:22Mark Normand?

  You're the man.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:24:24Mark Normand?

  Thanks for coming in. All right.

• 1:24:26Sam Morril?

  May 7th, I'm in Los Angeles at the United Theater on Broadway, the Netflix of the Joke Festival with Jordan Jensen, Rachel Feinstein, and Joe List. It's going to be a really fun show. June 6th, Verona, New York, at the Turning Stone Casino. Then in August, Lisbon, Portugal, September 2nd, Athens, Greece. September 3rd, Budapest, that's going to be really fun. September 5th in Zagreb in Croatia.

• 1:24:54Sam Morril?

  September 7th, Vienna, Austria. September 8th, Warsaw, Poland. September 10th, Helsinki. September 12th, Sweden. And September 12th, Copenhagen. No, September 13th is Copenhagen. 12th is Stockholm. So, yeah, see you guys on the road. Punchup.live/samorell/shows or just samorell.com. Mark, where are you gonna be?

• 1:25:18Mark Normand?

  Damn, that's quite a run. I'll be at the Hollywood Improv, LA. That's on the 5th of May. Then the Comedy Store on the 6th. Ontario at the Casino Rama. Moncton, Duvo, Brunswick. Spokane, Washington. That one's almost sold out. Philly's sold out. Suck it. Go Birds. Milwaukee Improv in June. Irvine, California. Love that club. Tempe Improv. And Royal Oak, Michigan, right outside of Detroit. Hilarities coming to Cleveland.

• 1:25:52Sam Morril?

  Classic.

• 1:25:52Mark Normand?

  Seattle. Never been to this Emerald City. Looking forward to that. Hours coming along. Tampa, Florida. That one's sold out. Love Tampa. You did your special there. I'm in the Hamptons on the 30th. That'll be fun. And Cops Comedy Club in San Franciscan in Houston. Improv. Thank you.

• 1:26:09Sam Morril?

  Thanks for listening, guys. Willie M. H. Mason's band, that was awesome.

• 1:26:12Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:13Sam Morril?

  And we'll see you guys next week.

• 1:26:15Mark Normand?

  Get a bottle.

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