Derek Trucks w/ Mark Normand & Sam Morril - We Might Be Drunk Podcast

Derek Trucks joins Mark and Sam for a killer episode packed with music stories, comedy shop talk, and road war tales. They get into Derek’s insane journey from child prodigy to selling out the Beacon, life on tour with a 12-piece band, and what it’s like playing a $12 million Jerry Garcia guitar. Plus, Willie Nelson stories, Bill Hicks chaos, tearjerker movie debates, and why great art takes years to master. They also hit recs, peeves, and bits, and close it out with a live guitar moment you don’t want to miss. Recs: The 400 Blows Cinema Paradiso Train Dreams War Horse Sponsored by: Boost energy, strength, and focus with Mars Men https://mengotomars.com Get 50% off for life + free shipping + 3 free gifts Get discreet, affordable treatment with Hims https://hims.com/drunk Start your free online visit today Level up your business communication with Quo https://quo.com/WMBD Get 20% off your first 6 months + free trial Start your online business with Shopify https://shopify.com/drunk Sign up for a $1/month trial Subscribe to We Might Be Drunk: https://bit.ly/SubscribeToWMBD Merch: https://wemightbedrunkpod.com/ Clips Channel: https://bit.ly/WMBDClips Sam Morril: https://punchup.live/sammorril/tickets Mark Normand: https://punchup.live/marknormand/tickets ⸻ Produced by Gotham Production Studios: https://www.gothamproductionstudios.com @GothamProductionStudios | Producer: https://www.instagram.com/mrmatthewpeters #WeMightBeDrunk #MarkNormand #SamMorril #DerekTrucks #ComedyPodcast #StandUpComedy #bodegacatwhiskey 00:00 Introduction, Trending & Swiftie Drama 02:00 Dealing with Hate & Netflix Special 03:40 Podcast Marathon in LA & Meeting Legends 06:10 Reflection on Comedy Specials & Joke Writing 09:30 Comedy Writing, Collaboration, and New Material 12:00 Building an Hour & The Pressure of Performing 14:30 Consuming Comedy & Classic Films Discussion 17:00 Movie Recommendations & Emotional Impact 20:30 Disney, Kids, and Emotional Storytelling 23:30 War Movies & Tearjerkers 27:00 Sponsorships & Podcast Ads Break 31:00 Special Guest Derek Trucks Joins 33:00 Life on the Road with a Big Band 36:30 Tour Stories, Crew, and Legendary Roadies 41:00 Upbringing, Music Prodigy, and Family Support 45:30 Paying Dues, Anonymity & The Creative Process 48:30 Learning From the Greats, Bill Hicks Stories 53:30 Gear, Iconic Guitars, and Memorabilia 58:30 Music Upbringing & Influences 01:03:00 Musical Scenes, Legends, and Oklahoma Connection 01:08:00 Musicianship, Technique, and Influence of The Band 01:13:00 Honing Craft, Practice, and Lifelong Growth 01:18:00 Great Live Shows & Musical Heroes 01:23:00 Wrapping Up with Live Guitar, Tour Dates & Thanks Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:06Mark Normand?

  Hey, we're here, we're queer, we're back, baby.

• 0:10Sam Morril?

  Still trending.

• 0:11Mark Normand?

  Still trending, yes, we're at number 8 right now, who knows when this comes out.

• 0:14Sam Morril?

  And on TMZ, I mean, holy shit.

• 0:16Mark Normand?

  I know, the Swifties attacked me.

• 0:18Sam Morril?

  I got some messages on your behalf.

• 0:21Mark Normand?

  They're bots, they hate me, they hate, they went after my wife. They went after me for body shaming, then they body shamed her.

• 0:26Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 0:27Mark Normand?

  What is that?

• 0:28Sam Morril?

  No, that makes no sense.

• 0:29Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but...

• 0:30Sam Morril?

  They're crazy, yeah, you're getting, they're like, "I hope you fucking die, I'm gonna slit your throat", and I'm like, "It's like a 12-year-old girl who wrote this, huh, what the hell's happening?"

• 0:36Mark Normand?

  It's all bots, or whatever the hell, so...

• 0:39Sam Morril?

  If you get killed by a, if you get killed by a Swifty, I'm gonna have to speak at your funeral. And it's gonna be, I'm gonna have to speak and like, I'm gonna be like, "He couldn't shake it off?"

• 0:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 0:49Sam Morril?

  What happened?

• 0:50Mark Normand?

  They're worse than they, like, Hezbollah, I mean, they're like, looking crazy.

• 0:55Sam Morril?

  Yeah, it's like, it's a bit much.

• 0:57Mark Normand?

  It's a little much.

• 0:58Sam Morril?

  I'm sure she's like, "Could you dial it back a little?"

• 1:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, I would imagine.

• 1:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Swifty, tell your minions, they're fucking scary.

• 1:05Sam Morril?

  She's gonna put out like, one track where there's like, a breakup song where she's like, "No, we're good now."

• 1:10Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 1:11Sam Morril?

  And then they're gonna be like, "Oh yeah, we should chill out a little, right?", I don't know.

• 1:13Mark Normand?

  That's a good idea.

• 1:14Sam Morril?

  I don't know.

• 1:15Mark Normand?

  That's not women's specialty, is, uh, toning it down.

• 1:18Sam Morril?

  Letting go.

• 1:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah, well, I mean, crazy, I mean, it's all good for the special, you know?

• 1:24Mark Normand?

  I guess so, I guess, I assume people are downvoting the shit out of it on Netflix or whatever, but...

• 1:28Sam Morril?

  Is that a thing still?

• 1:29Mark Normand?

  Is that?

• 1:30Sam Morril?

  I think they outlawed the download.

• 1:31Mark Normand?

  Oh, great.

• 1:32Sam Morril?

  I mean, maybe not, I don't know.

• 1:33Mark Normand?

  He's on the download, either way.

• 1:36Sam Morril?

  They outlawed the stars, they used to have the stars.

• 1:38Mark Normand?

  Oh, the stars were bad.

• 1:40Sam Morril?

  What about, uh, "You were in LA, give me the pod rundown", 'cause you did like, 6 in a day.

• 1:45Mark Normand?

  I did 5 in a day.

• 1:46Sam Morril?

  Okay.

• 1:46Mark Normand?

  I did, uh, Rich Eisen.

• 1:48Sam Morril?

  With traffic, that's insane.

• 1:49Mark Normand?

  That was the hard part, and I Ubered the whole thing.

• 1:52Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:52Mark Normand?

  Uh...

• 1:53Sam Morril?

  Rich Eisen.

• 1:53Mark Normand?

  Rich Eisen... Uh, Harland, Bobby Lee, Santino, Glassman, Red Eye, home.

• 2:01Sam Morril?

  Oh, I thought you went on the Fox News show.

• 2:04Sam Morril?

  Damn dude, that's crazy.

• 2:05Mark Normand?

  You know what's funny? You've done Rich Eisen.

• 2:07Sam Morril?

  He's the man.

• 2:08Mark Normand?

  He's the man.

• 2:08Sam Morril?

  He's like, he is like, one of the coolest sports guys ever, like, back to SportsCenter.

• 2:14Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 2:14Sam Morril?

  I grew up on him and Stu Scott, like.

• 2:16Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:17Sam Morril?

  That was like, I was emotional when Stu Scott died.

• 2:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, he was all over the TV. Like, we grew up with the guy.

• 2:23Sam Morril?

  He's so good at big moments, like, he says the right thing in the right way every time, I feel like. Like, he's, uh, without being like annoyingly preachy, he's just has like a, has like a dignified manner.

• 2:33Mark Normand?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:34Sam Morril?

  He's very, but he, all those, uh, sports guys like have a little bit of like Letterman influence.

• 2:40Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 2:41Sam Morril?

  Of that era, you can kind of feel it.

• 2:42Mark Normand?

  Totally.

• 2:43Sam Morril?

  You know?

• 2:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah. Cool dude, uh, but Rich Eisen, you know, he's warm, he's so warm.

• 2:49Sam Morril?

  He's such a cool guy.

• 2:50Mark Normand?

  He gives you like a hug and everything. Sweet dude.

• 2:53Sam Morril?

  Well, he did stand up for a few years.

• 2:55Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 2:55Sam Morril?

  A lot of those SportsCenter guys like started a stand-up center, like, I'm a sports guy, but, yeah, I had lunch with him once. We both did a cameo in Billions and he was like, let's get lunch.

• 3:03Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 3:04Sam Morril?

  Went to a Chinese restaurant and, uh, he told me the story about how he got SportsCenter. It was crazy.

• 3:09Mark Normand?

  Really? Let's hear it.

• 3:10Sam Morril?

  Well, they just, uh, he was just, he would watch it religiously and be like, oh, this is what I would have said.

• 3:15Mark Normand?

  Mmm.

• 3:15Sam Morril?

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• 3:37Mark Normand?

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• 3:37Sam Morril?

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• 3:45Sam Morril?

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• 4:12Mark Normand?

  Very good.

• 4:13Sam Morril?

  I, I wear their shit all the time.

• 4:14Mark Normand?

  Oh, I love Quince.

• 4:15Sam Morril?

  I love it, dude. I, it's quality, it fits right, and it's not expensive. I, I love it. And I like what, like, when it's not the logo everywhere.

• 4:22Mark Normand?

  Yeah, true, true.

• 4:24Sam Morril?

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• 4:44Mark Normand?

  Thank you.

• 4:45Sam Morril?

  Oh, like shit like that?

• 4:46Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 4:46Sam Morril?

  So they would, they would have lines for that. And he was like, I'm gonna come up with lines for thi- for this episode. And he'd do it every night. And then the night he did it, he did it the night before, and that was the test. That was like, let's see what you can do for this. And he just had him locked and loaded.

• 5:00Mark Normand?

  Wow!

• 5:00Sam Morril?

  So he looked awesome. It was like, what? Shows hard work, man. You put in the work.

• 5:04Mark Normand?

  There you go. Wow, good for him. But yeah, he's quick. He had a couple moments with me. I was like, damn, that was fast.

• 5:09Sam Morril?

  He's, he's good interviews online, like the Larry David interview is great.

• 5:12Mark Normand?

  Seinfeld stuff, all that. He has a great one, Jeff Daniels.

• 5:16Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 5:16Mark Normand?

  Uh, but...

• 5:17Sam Morril?

  Oh yeah, I've seen that, the clip with Nicholson, the story.

• 5:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:21Mark Normand?

  So I go in there, it's at 11 a.m. I go in there, it's all the way by the airport, it's the whole thing. I get in there, there's hair, makeup, and I was like, so what, how long do I do? Like an hour, hour and a half? They're like, six minutes. I'm like, six minutes?

• 5:32Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 5:33Mark Normand?

  It's like morning radio. We ended up doing about 15, cause it was cooking.

• 5:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 5:36Mark Normand?

  But I...

• 5:37Sam Morril?

  Six is crazy.

• 5:38Mark Normand?

  Six is crazy. I'm like, what is this? Good morning, America? Like, give me a second.

• 5:41Sam Morril?

  Also, he's goo- it's like, it's always the ones you wanna talk to.

• 5:45Mark Normand?

  Yes!

• 5:45Sam Morril?

  That cut down, uh...

• 5:46Mark Normand?

  So true, yeah, yeah. I did a Fox 5 with whatever her name is, and I was like, jeez, are we done yet?

• 5:52Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Mark Normand?

  But yeah, uh, Eisen was, we went about 15 or 12, but, uh, that was crazy. I was like, six minutes?

• 5:58Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 5:59Mark Normand?

  We're doing all this for six minutes? Like haircut? You give me a haircut and touch me up?

• 6:03Sam Morril?

  It's old school.

• 6:04Mark Normand?

  It is, yeah. And the photos on the walls, like him with Obama, him with Bruce Springsteen, him with Jack Nicholson.

• 6:09Sam Morril?

  Bin Laden, how did he, when did he do this show?

• 6:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah, they were in a cage. I don't know how they got in service. But yeah.

• 6:16Sam Morril?

  Bin Laden only got eight minutes, I heard. It's crazy.

• 6:18Mark Normand?

  I already got nine to 11. Alright. Um, but yeah, so then I ran, ran out of there and then Harlow Williams is how I walk into Harlow Williams. He's like, oh, you just missed Will Ferrell. I'm like, oh, LA.

• 6:29Sam Morril?

  He did the pod or they were just hanging?

• 6:31Mark Normand?

  He did the pod.

• 6:32Sam Morril?

  Wow, that's a big one.

• 6:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah, so like LA is such a magical place. I'm looking at the Hollywood Hills. I just missed, uh, Will Ferrell.

• 6:39Sam Morril?

  I was in a hotel once and, uh, and they gave you, like, they didn't have a gym, but they give you access to the Equinox across the street. And I, and I saw Will Ferrell in there. I was like, that's fucking wild. Just working out with like literally hundreds of people around him.

• 6:50Mark Normand?

  That's crazy.

• 6:51Sam Morril?

  No one bothered him. It's LA.

• 6:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I guess so. Does he work out funny? Is he like?

• 6:58Sam Morril?

  In Toledo, Idaho, you can't do that shit.

• 6:59Mark Normand?

  No, God, no. You get swarmed.

• 7:02Sam Morril?

  But they're just like, they're like, I'm over it.

• 7:03Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 7:04Sam Morril?

  Although you know, a couple of people were like, dude, I did a self tape for this movie you did.

• 7:07Mark Normand?

  That's true. That's a good point.

• 7:09Sam Morril?

  But, uh, yeah, that's good. Now, what else? Bobby, Santino?

• 7:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Bobby's such a pro. Did Bobby. It was so fun.

• 7:15Sam Morril?

  Yeah, it's easy lifting.

• 7:16Mark Normand?

  Yeah, Santino's the man. And then I, by the time I got to Glassman, it was like 7:00 PM. And you're like loopy and delirious and like uninhibited. So that one got really weird. So look out for that.

• 7:27Sam Morril?

  Said the N word.

• 7:28Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, we got into it.

• 7:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 7:31Mark Normand?

  It was fun.

• 7:32Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 7:32Mark Normand?

  And then I flew home on a red eye, took a Xanax and slept the whole way. I pulled a Salicuse.

• 7:36Sam Morril?

  The, the, the sleep back is tough because it's really like five hours.

• 7:40Mark Normand?

  I know, exactly.

• 7:41Sam Morril?

  There you get six. Six, I could do six. Five is where you get into dangerous territory.

• 7:45Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I landed, got home on like, with one eye open and then just went into bed and slept for like four more hours.

• 7:51Sam Morril?

  But you got a baby, so I guess it's like, it's always.

• 7:54Mark Normand?

  You're on.

• 7:54Sam Morril?

  It's never good sleep.

• 7:56Mark Normand?

  No, never, never. So, but I'm, I'm back. That was yesterday. I was a little wonky, but I'm, I'm back, baby. And I got it all into one weekend, Rogan, all that shit. And I'm done and I'm home.

• 8:05Sam Morril?

  Damn, that, that is the way to do it. Just fucking suffer for a week.

• 8:08Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 8:09Sam Morril?

  Like fly, not suffer, but it's a lot of flights, a lot of being on. Look at that, dude.

• 8:14Mark Normand?

  We kept it at eight.

• 8:14Sam Morril?

  Suck on that, Bridgerton.

• 8:16Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you do. Mark Robers, whoever that is. Crunchables.

• 8:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we're coming for you dinosaurs.

• 8:22Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you're extinct. All right. How about that? So?

• 8:26Sam Morril?

  I love it, man. That's amazing.

• 8:28Mark Normand?

  Nice to be in the 10 for a while, but, uh, you get, you get some hate too. You get a lot of hate. People are making.

• 8:33Sam Morril?

  That Twin Towers joke's a fucking, goddamn.

• 8:36Mark Normand?

  Oh, thanks.

• 8:37Sam Morril?

  I heard a lot of them because I see, I was still, I'll still see you on shows and I'll, I'll peek in, I'll watch. But like, it's fun to see the finished product and you're just like, fuck the, the, uh. God, I wrote down a few.

• 8:47Mark Normand?

  Oh, the threesome nine eleven? Is that the one you're talking about?

• 8:50Sam Morril?

  Yes.

• 8:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that was fun.

• 8:51Sam Morril?

  We crumbled under pressure.

• 8:52Mark Normand?

  Yes, yes.

• 8:53Sam Morril?

  Fuck. There was a bush and there was an inside job.

• 8:55Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 8:56Sam Morril?

  WNBA joke you told me before, but I love, fucking, you've told me a bunch of these. So I know you ran the Delta Gimp one by me, I think in a text.

• 9:03Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 9:03Sam Morril?

  And I was like, fuck.

• 9:04Mark Normand?

  That was your line, Delta Gimp.

• 9:06Sam Morril?

  I said Delta Gimp?

• 9:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 9:07Sam Morril?

  Goddamn.

• 9:08Mark Normand?

  No wonder.

• 9:09Sam Morril?

  I love that I'm complimenting him in his special. I'm like, that was a great line.

• 9:12Mark Normand?

  That's a good writer.

• 9:13Sam Morril?

  Here's my favorite part.

• 9:15Mark Normand?

  When I went and saw you.

• 9:16Sam Morril?

  I love, I love the, but it's your, it's your thing. I mean, it's your premise and it was like, the idea is so fucking funny.

• 9:21Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but no one's put those two words together, Delta and Gimp. So that's, that's gold.

• 9:25Sam Morril?

  It's so, it's so, uh, it's a funny visual. It's hard to do a funny visual.

• 9:30Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 9:31Sam Morril?

  Like, you know, it's like, that's that funny. Cause you picture it. You see a guy.

• 9:35Mark Normand?

  You see it.

• 9:36Sam Morril?

  And everyone fucking has been there. Guy, I wrote down a bunch.

• 9:39Mark Normand?

  Well, we used to write so often together that when you did your Comedy Central Hour.

• 9:43Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 9:43Mark Normand?

  Um, I went with, I brought May. That's all.

• 9:46Sam Morril?

  What?

• 9:47Mark Normand?

  It was a brand new, it was like a hot date.

• 9:48Sam Morril?

  You brought May to my Comedy Central Hour?

• 9:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah, cause I wanted to be like, hey, I know this guy, it was TV. I was trying to get laid.

• 9:53Sam Morril?

  I remember you're, I remember being at your Comedy Central Hours, probably like a few months before mine or something.

• 9:58Mark Normand?

  I think you brought Leonard Oates.

• 9:59Sam Morril?

  Did I really?

• 10:00Mark Normand?

  Wow, he was your date.

• 10:01Sam Morril?

  We were dating, yeah. I said he fucked him.

• 10:06Mark Normand?

  Woo, that's a lot of tit.

• 10:10Sam Morril?

  I remember, I remember yours doing that church in the Lower East Side.

• 10:13Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, the synagogue.

• 10:14Sam Morril?

  It was a synagogue, really. Yeah, it was amazing, dude. It was beautiful.

• 10:17Mark Normand?

  Well, yeah, I brought her. We used to write so much. I was like, that was my tag.

• 10:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah, dude.

• 10:21Mark Normand?

  And she was like, shut up, I'm trying to watch. I was like, oh, sorry, sorry.

• 10:24Sam Morril?

  I didn't, I don't remember, cause I'm at the point now, I don't even remember what I do, but, uh, I love Leonard. I love that guy.

• 10:30Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:30Sam Morril?

  But, uh, dude, yeah, so many jokes. I mean, fuck, there's another one. Uh, QR code on the clam.

• 10:37Mark Normand?

  Oh, thanks.

• 10:39Sam Morril?

  Cause I was like, you're like, you know, I'm so, I'm so desensitized to comedy that I'm like, I'm like, you're like, trying to figure out where's it, where's it going?

• 10:47Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 10:48Sam Morril?

  It's hard for me to just watch it and enjoy comedy.

• 10:49Mark Normand?

  Of course, of course.

• 10:50Sam Morril?

  But unless it's like something so different.

• 10:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 10:53Sam Morril?

  You know, but I'm like, oh, fuck, I was like, where's it going? Uh. All the groups that hate each other look the same.

• 10:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, thanks. Thanks. Those, a lot of those bombed in New York.

• 11:02Sam Morril?

  But that's also one where you're like, that's a great observation. Now where are you gonna take it?

• 11:05Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 11:06Sam Morril?

  The turn, the last line, women.

• 11:08Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you make, everything's a two, two, two, then a one.

• 11:10Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah. So I was like, and the pause, women. So it's like, oh, fuck. I was like, oh, that one. I was like, I was like, walking on the street watching that one. I was like, oh, fuck.

• 11:20Mark Normand?

  Oh, on the street, wow.

• 11:21Sam Morril?

  Well, because sometimes I like to, yeah. I like listening to comedy better than watching, but I was, I was taking it on look too, but yeah. A comic like Mark or like, I mean, the set's beautiful, so it's wasted on me.

• 11:31Mark Normand?

  They killed it, yeah.

• 11:31Sam Morril?

  It's beautiful.

• 11:33Mark Normand?

  They nailed it with the colors.

• 11:34Sam Morril?

  God, the colors are fucking nice.

• 11:36Mark Normand?

  That's New Orleans.

• 11:36Sam Morril?

  That's your nicest looking special by far.

• 11:38Mark Normand?

  Well, I took your advice. You're like, spend some fucking money. The last one I skimmed.

• 11:41Sam Morril?

  They're forever. They're forever.

• 11:42Mark Normand?

  Yeah, we shot that thing.

• 11:43Sam Morril?

  I've skimmed on some too. Although my, we were talking the other day, we're like, are we ever gonna top our YouTube specials?

• 11:50Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 11:51Sam Morril?

  Like, uh, Out to Lunch, Out to Lunch and I Got This, or like, I Think They're Our Tops.

• 11:57Mark Normand?

  Probably.

• 11:57Sam Morril?

  Because we were so hungry and so fucking annoyed and we're like, no one will give us shit.

• 12:02Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 12:02Sam Morril?

  Like, I remember like, I remember everyone passing on us and us just being like, what else? We're killing, it was that Bill Burr quote, where we're like, we're killing obscurity.

• 12:10Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 12:11Sam Morril?

  We're killing obscurity. What's happening?

• 12:13Mark Normand?

  Ah, yeah. I would go to clubs and they'd be like, same hour, huh? I'm like, ah, this is all I got. Like, no one's gonna buy it, so I'm not gonna really work on a new hour. Yeah, because I was, that's why mine was so good for me, because I was running it for years. Because you had nothing else. I was like, why not just do it again? No one's filming it.

• 12:29Sam Morril?

  It's also tough because we were in a lot of papered rooms, which

• 12:32Mark Normand?

  True.

• 12:33Sam Morril?

  Just for those of you don't know the term, it just means a lot of free tickets. Which people, if you, if you don't pay for something, you don't respect it.

• 12:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 12:42Sam Morril?

  I mean, if you give money to it, you, it's more of a, like, going to the theater to see a movie.

• 12:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 12:46Sam Morril?

  It's way better than if you just throw something on Netflix. You're invested. Yeah.

• 12:50Mark Normand?

  Well, that doesn't bode well for hookers versus wives.

• 12:52Sam Morril?

  We don't respect hookers.

• 12:54Mark Normand?

  But you pay.

• 12:55Sam Morril?

  You pay.

• 12:56Mark Normand?

  So you, but that, your logic.

• 12:57Sam Morril?

  Sex doesn't count. Sex, you can't count sex. You don't, yeah, alright, fine. So I'm wrong about that one.

• 13:03Mark Normand?

  Okay, okay.

• 13:03Sam Morril?

  You found one hole in this.

• 13:05Mark Normand?

  Alright.

• 13:06Sam Morril?

  And I use that term loosely. But, uh.

• 13:08Speaker 02

  So you both expressed some interest separately about wanting to take more time till your next special.

• 13:14Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 13:15Sam Morril?

  Yeah, oh, this.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  Why, how did that come about at the same exact time in your career, at the same moment?

• 13:18Sam Morril?

  Cause we're both burnt out.

• 13:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 13:20Sam Morril?

  And like, I just taped one too, and I'm, I'm in the mode, or I took a couple of weeks off, and now I'm like, I'm throwing shit at the wall, and it's kinda fun. It's, it's funny, someone was watching me bomb, and they were like, you don't really seem, like, it bothers you. I'm like, it's fun.

• 13:32Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 13:33Sam Morril?

  It's fun after you've been doing well for a while. Like, you're running an hour, it's tight, it's good, and it's for your people on the road, you're spoiled. So you're just like, you get offstage killing, you're like, I'm a fucking hack, who gives a shit?

• 13:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 13:45Sam Morril?

  I know this works, I'm just cutting fat. But then you go up with new shit, you're like, if I get one line, I'm like, oh, alright, cool.

• 13:50Mark Normand?

  Yes, one line is worth the whole night.

• 13:53Sam Morril?

  You slave over all these jokes, and then you're like, oh, man, what do I have? And you look at it, you're like, that was 20 seconds, I guess?

• 13:58Mark Normand?

  Easily.

• 13:59Sam Morril?

  20 seconds.

• 13:59Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 14:00Sam Morril?

  It's like, you know, you're just.

• 14:02Mark Normand?

  What do they say? Building an hour is like trying to make a mountain out of paint.

• 14:05Sam Morril?

  It's like when you put spinach in a pan, and you're like, that's all I got?

• 14:08Mark Normand?

  Hey, that's good.

• 14:09Sam Morril?

  Like, fucking, that's it?

• 14:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 14:11Sam Morril?

  But, uh, no, it's fun, man.

• 14:14Mark Normand?

  Spinach in a pan.

• 14:14Sam Morril?

  It's fun.

• 14:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 14:17Sam Morril?

  Damn, yeah, I wrote a few more down.

• 14:18Mark Normand?

  Oh, it's fine, it's fine.

• 14:20Sam Morril?

  You hate this, this is hell for Mark right now. Alright, fine, one more, though. I've heard this too, but I, from you, cause I loved it, but the RFK feels like family.

• 14:27Mark Normand?

  Oh, thanks, thanks.

• 14:29Sam Morril?

  I was like, fuck.

• 14:29Mark Normand?

  I was proud of that one, I'm not gonna lie.

• 14:31Sam Morril?

  Like, where's this, I, I just enjoy, there aren't a lot of comics where I'm like, alright, where's this going? And I don't watch that many comedy specials, cause I don't wanna bite on people's shit.

• 14:40Mark Normand?

  Sure, sure.

• 14:41Sam Morril?

  But like, you gotta watch your friends.

• 14:43Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 14:43Sam Morril?

  You gotta, you know, so like, you, Liz, there's like a few people I'll watch, but, uh, it's hard, it's hard for me to, I should watch more.

• 14:51Mark Normand?

  Well, like, like, some are, like, I watch Chris Fleming, cause he's so different than us.

• 14:55Sam Morril?

  I started it and I was into it and I gotta go back.

• 14:57Mark Normand?

  Yeah, so he's fun.

• 14:58Sam Morril?

  I was with a girl who wasn't as into it.

• 15:00Mark Normand?

  Mmm.

• 15:01Sam Morril?

  I think she might have been if we gave it more, it takes time.

• 15:04Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:04Sam Morril?

  It's also like an hour fifteen.

• 15:06Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 15:06Sam Morril?

  Which I'm like, that's a fucking bold move.

• 15:08Mark Normand?

  I know, for your opening special.

• 15:10Sam Morril?

  It's his first special?

• 15:11Mark Normand?

  I might have done a YouTube, actually.

• 15:12Sam Morril?

  No, I think he's done stuff.

• 15:13Mark Normand?

  Okay, maybe you're right.

• 15:14Sam Morril?

  But I was like, I gotta, I could tell it's good, so I wanna go back to it. I will.

• 15:17Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 15:18Sam Morril?

  I will.

• 15:19Mark Normand?

  Uh, but yeah, so I try to watch a little and I listen a lot and I do the serious comedy in the car.

• 15:24Sam Morril?

  I love listening. I, for something, cause I, yeah, I don't know. It feels almost like-

• 15:28Mark Normand?

  It's better.

• 15:29Sam Morril?

  We're old school. It's like, it's like when you meet a guy who's like, "I only listen to baseball games." You're like, "What are you, fucking crazy?"

• 15:34Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's wild.

• 15:35Sam Morril?

  But, but I've met people like that, with like, you gotta listen to a game.

• 15:38Mark Normand?

  I only listen to porn.

• 15:40Sam Morril?

  I like the conversation.

• 15:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 15:42Sam Morril?

  It's really interesting.

• 15:43Mark Normand?

  Some people are into that ASMR shit. That gets them off, that weird noises and all that.

• 15:47Sam Morril?

  It's probably people that listen to this to fall asleep.

• 15:49Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah. But you know, it's weird, uh, this is most consumed by YouTube podcast. Yeah.

• 15:54Sam Morril?

  Really? We do way be- do we do way better on YouTube than audio?

• 16:00Mark Normand?

  Ah, shit.

• 16:01Sam Morril?

  You just made that up.

• 16:01Mark Normand?

  I thought I heard that podcasts are mostly YouTube. I thought I heard that.

• 16:05Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 16:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah, just cause people put it on, they eat dinner, it's just in the back. Like, I listen to music off YouTube.

• 16:11Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 16:12Mark Normand?

  Yeah, cause it's just right there. Okay.

• 16:15Sam Morril?

  Dude, I gotta, can I give a movie rec?

• 16:16Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 16:17Sam Morril?

  Cause I watch, like, I, I still buy DVDs, like, I'll still buy them. I took, it is what I was saying earlier, it's like, kinda feels more like an event to put a disc in. The quality is better, and, I don't know, there's something about it that you're like, "All right, I gotta pay attention."

• 16:30Mark Normand?

  I like it.

• 16:31Sam Morril?

  So, uh, "400 Blows" by True Flawed, man.

• 16:35Mark Normand?

  Oh, classic.

• 16:35Sam Morril?

  I'd never seen that. I love that you've seen everything. It's fucking great.

• 16:38Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 16:39Sam Morril?

  I didn't realize it was about his childhood till I started reading about it afterwards. This kid is, uh, this kid in France who's kinda-

• 16:47Mark Normand?

  Street tough?

• 16:48Sam Morril?

  Street tough, but deeply misunderstood.

• 16:50Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 16:50Sam Morril?

  It's his mom is raising him and she just like hates him.

• 16:53Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 16:54Sam Morril?

  And then the dad is the stepdad. It's not a dad who really, uh, he's like, fine, he's not like an awful guy, but he's, he's like, doesn't seem to love him.

• 17:02Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 17:03Sam Morril?

  And, uh, he's just like there.

• 17:04Mark Normand?

  Mm-hmm.

• 17:05Sam Morril?

  And it's just like- What can happen on and on, you end up in a bad place when you don't have a good, but it's just fucking beautiful. Oh, yeah. I remember, I said, the ending just hit, I was like, oh my god. It's great, yeah. It hits you, man. And it's such a big influence on so many movies. Totally. Now, have you seen The Bicycle Thief? Oh, don't do it to me. Alright, that's what I was gonna say, if you haven't seen that one. Don't do that one to me, cuz it fucking, like, there's like certain movies that will make you tear up. That fucking kid in that movie. I know! He's so cute! Ah, he's great. He's so. He's great. He wouldn't last a second round, Spacey. That's true, and I grew up in a black neighborhood, so this movie hit home for me.

• 17:41Sam Morril?

  This was my whole childhood. Except for your movie, you're just like, you guys can have it. Yeah, that's true. You guys take it. There's a lot of that. I've heard that story about your, uh. Yeah, true story. About your. About your nanny. Yeah, that's amazing. And one more, Cinema Paradiso. That is like, if you don't cry during Cinema Paradiso, I don't know if you're like, you must be like, made of stone. Exactly. I think that's like the ultimate, you cry movie. Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. I avoid a lot of those movies cuz I don't wanna just let, but like Cinema Paradiso just fucking, it's brutal. I know. It's so good, it's like beautiful, but. Incredible. Can we play this one scene? Sure. Where, ask people, we don't know, we don't know shit about copyright law. Okay.

• 18:21Sam Morril?

  You're gonna read what he's saying, Mark? Don't look back, don't give him nostalgia, forget about us, this is the old, pause for a sec. So, you're playing, you're playing, I love those instincts. No context. No context, it's foreign, and we just found out a bunch of our listeners are mostly audio? Ah! He's like, yeah, they'll figure out Italian.

• 18:42Sam Morril?

  It's a kid who grows up in a, uh, playing films in a projector and he falls in love with cinema and this old man is like his mentor and he's a really sweet guy and there's a fire in the cinema and the old man saves the kid, but he becomes blind from the injuries, and the kid ends up becoming this big director. Yep. And he comes back for the old man's funeral, it's a beautiful story, and it's brutal and heartbreaking. Yeah. But also just like, so this is the old man saying, don't give him nostalgia, don't forget about us. No, he's saying, forget about us. Oh, forget about us, sorry. Go live your life. I'm just the point of the movie, guys. No, he's saying, don't give him nostalgia, forget about us, yeah, like, go on with your life, he's saying. Chills. Brutal. Yeah. Fuck. You can't forget your child. That's like those formative movies are the ones that fuck you up like

• 19:26Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 19:26Sam Morril?

  Last line of Stand By Me like The thing about I never had friends like that.

• 19:32Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 19:32Sam Morril?

  Again, I'm butchering it, but like, but who does? And you're like, ah, geez.

• 19:36Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 19:36Sam Morril?

  He just like casually says that River Phoenix got his throat slit.

• 19:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Sam Morril?

  He's kind of like, oh, yeah, he got his throat slit later in a

• 19:44Mark Normand?

  In like a bar fight.

• 19:45Sam Morril?

  And a, yeah, and a, yeah, I don't know.

• 19:47Mark Normand?

  Oh, man. Yeah, that's heavy stuff. It's also crazy that movie. They're all kids, they're best friends, whatever. And then they all go different ways and never talk to each other again, which is such a true thing in life.

• 19:57Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 19:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, you want to cry? Watch Train Dreams.

• 20:01Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 20:01Mark Normand?

  Oh, this is the best movie of 2026. I'm calling it right now.

• 20:05Sam Morril?

  I gotta, I gotta watch it, man. I'm gonna watch it this week.

• 20:08Mark Normand?

  Deep, heavy, introspective. I watched it with May. She's on the couch weeping. She's like, what is this movie? I've never even heard of this.

• 20:16Sam Morril?

  And it's beautiful looking.

• 20:17Mark Normand?

  It's beautiful. It's pretty. He's great. He carries the whole thing. There's like 10 seconds of dialogue. You don't even need it.

• 20:22Sam Morril?

  What, uh, what's like an ultimate tearjerker movie? If you're like, what gets you every time? All you guys.

• 20:28Mark Normand?

  That's what I call a bad hand job.

• 20:31Sam Morril?

  I got one during Schindler's List. It broke me.

• 20:35Mark Normand?

  Uh, ultimate tearjerker. Well, like, let's see. Oh, oh, I got it. What's that? You want to talk Schindler's List? Um,

• 20:44Sam Morril?

  Life is Beautiful.

• 20:45Mark Normand?

  Life is Beautiful.

• 20:45Sam Morril?

  I was gonna say that too. Every time. Benini, goddamn.

• 20:50Mark Normand?

  Benini.

• 20:51Sam Morril?

  Staying funny in the fucking tragedy. Oh.

• 20:53Mark Normand?

  Unbelievable.

• 20:54Sam Morril?

  Oh, the walk.

• 20:55Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah, heavy.

• 20:56Sam Morril?

  What do you got?

• 20:57Mark Normand?

  All five of the movies you've spoken about so far, kids are in it. That's the through line for you guys.

• 21:02Sam Morril?

  Wow. You know what I was gonna say? Another with kids. Uh,

• 21:06Mark Normand?

  Epstein's Island.

• 21:08Sam Morril?

  Always gets me. No, Kramer versus Kramer.

• 21:12Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's a classic.

• 21:13Sam Morril?

  When they're making the French toast in the end, every time, because it's like not trying to get you. It's just subtle. We have this routine now.

• 21:21Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 21:21Sam Morril?

  And they have the fight earlier. I fucking love.

• 21:24Mark Normand?

  God.

• 21:24Sam Morril?

  God, it's, it is funny how they just were like, we'll make the mom awful.

• 21:29Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 21:29Sam Morril?

  It's totally a movie for men. We're like, the mom's a piece of shit. We're like, Dustin Hoffman's doing his best.

• 21:36Sam Morril?

  But Meryl Streep, I think she still won the Oscar for it.

• 21:38Mark Normand?

  Oh, there you go.

• 21:39Sam Morril?

  It's a, that's a great fucking movie.

• 21:41Mark Normand?

  They should remake it with Michael Richards versus Kramer. At the Laugh Factory.

• 21:45Sam Morril?

  It's like Fight Club.

• 21:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 21:48Sam Morril?

  Buildings are exploding. He's like, it was you. It was you. It was you who said the N word at the club.

• 21:53Mark Normand?

  I had Tourette's. Oh, I had Tourette's.

• 21:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, wait. What's another way? I had one. Shit. Tearjerker.

• 22:02Sam Morril?

  War movies will get me too.

• 22:03Mark Normand?

  Oh, war movie, yeah. All on Quiet on the Western Front. I'd cry on that one.

• 22:08Sam Morril?

  That's another one I gotta fucking watch. I've been on a war kick too, cause I just like.

• 22:12Mark Normand?

  Well, we're in a war. So it's timely.

• 22:15Sam Morril?

  Yeah, Deer Hunter will, that'll get you.

• 22:17Mark Normand?

  Heavy.

• 22:18Sam Morril?

  It's just brutal.

• 22:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah. I had it again and I lost it again. I'll get it back. Whatever I thought of.

• 22:24Sam Morril?

  I've never seen Terms of Endearment. I'm intimidated, cause everyone's like, you're gonna cry. When someone opens with that, I'm like, I, but I feel like I gotta see it.

• 22:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah. That's how I felt with A Bridge Over Wa- what is that? A Wa- with Redford.

• 22:39Speaker 02

  Bridges over Madison County?

• 22:41Mark Normand?

  Yes. When that came out, I was, everybody's like, it's so sad, you're gonna cry. I never watched it.

• 22:45Sam Morril?

  If that's the pitch.

• 22:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 22:47Sam Morril?

  You gotta start with, it's so great.

• 22:49Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 22:50Sam Morril?

  When you say you're gonna cry, no dude is like, oh, sweet. Let me clear my Saturday.

• 22:55Sam Morril?

  No, you're like, you know, but I hear it some, it's James L. Brooks too. We should see it.

• 22:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, that's true. He's great.

• 23:00Sam Morril?

  And fucking Nicholson.

• 23:01Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 23:02Sam Morril?

  And Shirley MacLaine.

• 23:04Mark Normand?

  Yeah, she's good.

• 23:05Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I'm thinking, are there any other like, that always get you?

• 23:09Mark Normand?

  I mean, I cried at the end of BT.

• 23:11Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 23:12Mark Normand?

  What is it?

• 23:12Sam Morril?

  Yeah. Oh, kids again.

• 23:14Mark Normand?

  Oh, I thought of what I was gonna say.

• 23:16Sam Morril?

  The beginning.

• 23:16Mark Normand?

  Oh.

• 23:17Sam Morril?

  The beginning of all will fuck you up.

• 23:18Mark Normand?

  Unreal.

• 23:19Sam Morril?

  That opening. I'm like, you're opening it?

• 23:22Mark Normand?

  I know, and it's a kid's thing. Pixar. Uh, I got it. Disney, I learned this the other day, cause I follow a bunch of movie, uh, accounts.

• 23:31Sam Morril?

  Same. That's like my whole for you thing. If I get into Doom Scroll thing, it's like movie shit. Or like NBA war stories.

• 23:37Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 23:38Sam Morril?

  It's either like Kevin Garnett or Scorsese.

• 23:42Mark Normand?

  Um, so Disney said if you watch every big movie on Disney, it's all a parent dies and the kid has to grow up and become a, an adult.

• 23:52Sam Morril?

  And grow up quickly.

• 23:53Mark Normand?

  And grow up quickly. Lion King, Bambi, uh, shit, there's another one. There's a couple of them. But first of all, Walt Disney's parents died young, when he was young. And that fucked him up, but he also realized if the parent dies in a kid movie, the kid is immediately gripped. Then the kid has to grow up, Simba grows up, beats Scar.

• 24:14Sam Morril?

  Cause that doesn't work.

• 24:15Mark Normand?

  The kid's like, I can do that. And so it's emotionally gripping and you'll, you'll love it. You'll love every movie.

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, Bambi's mom is killed in the first scene.

• 24:23Mark Normand?

  Exactly. So now you're invested. You're like, oh, how's he gonna get out of this one? I'm a kid.

• 24:27Sam Morril?

  It's crazy to show a kid that stuff. I mean, it's like, you're probably working stuff out. You're like, alright, let me start with the parents getting raped. And they're like, too far, let me reel it back in. They didn't respond to that. The gimp scene.

• 24:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Um, yeah, so, yeah, the kid, kid's biggest fear is a Bambi, so, there you go. That's how you start it.

• 24:51Sam Morril?

  No, I mean, it's, uh, I'm trying to think if there's any others that fucking kill me.

• 24:55Mark Normand?

  Hmm.

• 24:56Sam Morril?

  War movies do always get you.

• 24:58Mark Normand?

  Yeah. Forrest Gump got me in the, I saw it in the theater with, uh, Bubba. When Bubba died, I wept like a bitch.

• 25:04Sam Morril?

  He was so nice.

• 25:05Mark Normand?

  I know.

• 25:06Sam Morril?

  Fuck. And Sinise loses the legs.

• 25:08Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:09Sam Morril?

  That was brutal.

• 25:10Mark Normand?

  With those cunt strippers. You fucking loser, you freak. Eh, when he's crawling and I'm like, God, you bitches are cruel. He's handicapped.

• 25:19Sam Morril?

  Love Sinise.

• 25:20Mark Normand?

  He's so good.

• 25:21Speaker 02

  Apparently this makes people cry. I've never seen it.

• 25:23Sam Morril?

  War Horse?

• 25:24Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 25:25Sam Morril?

  Looks like an AI movie.

• 25:27Mark Normand?

  It does.

• 25:27Sam Morril?

  Designed to make people cry.

• 25:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:29Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 25:30Sam Morril?

  But a man and his horse.

• 25:31Mark Normand?

  Oh, geez.

• 25:32Sam Morril?

  Who is it?

• 25:32Speaker 02

  I think it's a Spielberg movie.

• 25:34Sam Morril?

  Is it Spielberg?

• 25:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:35Sam Morril?

  Who is the star of it?

• 25:36Speaker 02

  I don't know. Let's look it up.

• 25:37Mark Normand?

  They had a sea biscuit, War Horse, they had a couple of horses.

• 25:40Sam Morril?

  Too many horses in a row. I think, I think I missed the whole horse, uh, epidemic there.

• 25:46Sam Morril?

  Jeremy.

• 25:47Speaker 02

  Oh, here, sorry.

• 25:49Sam Morril?

  A young farm boy.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  It's a Spielberg film and...

• 25:53Mark Normand?

  7.2.

• 25:54Speaker 02

  Jeremy Irvin.

• 25:56Mark Normand?

  Irvine.

• 25:56Speaker 02

  Irvine, excuse me.

• 25:57Sam Morril?

  Damn, alright. Is this Spielberg?

• 26:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:00Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  This is our rec. We should all watch this and get a good cry.

• 26:05Sam Morril?

  He's giving me two others.

• 26:06Mark Normand?

  Train Dreams is great.

• 26:08Sam Morril?

  You haven't seen Train Dreams? We should watch it. Let's watch it. Alright.

• 26:11Mark Normand?

  Heavy. This'll be our book club. Oh geez, we got a guest coming in.

• 26:16Sam Morril?

  I'm excited about this one.

• 26:18Mark Normand?

  Pull up the name because I don't want to get it wrong.

• 26:19Sam Morril?

  Derek Trucks.

• 26:20Mark Normand?

  Thank you. Oh, that's the easiest name on the planet.

• 26:23Sam Morril?

  I don't want to mispronounce it.

• 26:24Mark Normand?

  John Smith, got it. Okay, these guys sold out 10 shows at the Beacon. They play in New York all the time. They're maybe one of the best blues and soul, what?

• 26:33Sam Morril?

  Susan Tedeschi.

• 26:35Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 26:36Sam Morril?

  Yes.

• 26:38Mark Normand?

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• 32:26Mark Normand?

  Nice. So. Hello. Hey! Come on in. Oh, wow. Hey, what's taking you, man?

• 32:36Sam Morril?

  Hey, what's up? How are you?

• 32:38Mark Normand?

  Good to have you.

• 32:39Sam Morril?

  Thanks for coming on.

• 32:40Mark Normand?

  How many are we talking?

• 32:43Sam Morril?

  It's just Eric? Okay, perfect, yeah, so.

• 32:51Mark Normand?

  Derek?

• 32:52Speaker 03

  Yes, sir.

• 32:53Mark Normand?

  Alright, Mark. Nice to meet ya.

• 32:54Speaker 03

  Nice to see ya. Good to see ya.

• 32:56Mark Normand?

  Hey, hey, oh, we got the, we got the pooch?

• 33:00Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 33:00Sam Morril?

  What else is this?

• 33:02Mark Normand?

  Ass pocket, baby.

• 33:03Sam Morril?

  Oh, whoa. Ass pocket whiskey. This is awesome. We gotta step up our, uh, our schwag.

• 33:10Mark Normand?

  You got, yeah, good boxing, good delivery.

• 33:13Sam Morril?

  Damn, look at this.

• 33:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 33:15Sam Morril?

  Ass pocket whiskey, you got that right there?

• 33:18Mark Normand?

  Grab a, we, that's ours, Bodega Cat, right there.

• 33:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah, we got ours. We got, I mean, I'm coming off an ulcer, but I gotta, I gotta out of respect, give it a sip.

• 33:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah, same here. And it's fun to hit that flask.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  Oh, cool.

• 33:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah. Oh, this is like a fun little bottle. Are, are they different? Are they different, the two?

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's, uh, we've done five releases.

• 33:37Mark Normand?

  Give me one of those.

• 33:38Speaker 03

  This, this is a 20-year.

• 33:39Mark Normand?

  20-year?

• 33:40Speaker 03

  It's a tasty sucker.

• 33:42Mark Normand?

  It's almost illegal.

• 33:43Sam Morril?

  This is 10, uh, this is 10 years, these are two 10?

• 33:46Speaker 03

  That's a 10, yeah.

• 33:47Sam Morril?

  I mean, I wanna try the 20 first.

• 33:49Mark Normand?

  Ah, that's good, that's good.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  It's a hot one, too, 117, I think.

• 33:54Mark Normand?

  Yeah. We're like hot ones for booze.

• 33:57Sam Morril?

  Oh, my God, that's unbelievable.

• 33:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that tastes great. It's kinda creamy, almost, it's, it's, goes down easy.

• 34:05Speaker 03

  We did a release of a 15 and a nine in a box together, those were pretty great, too.

• 34:09Mark Normand?

  Give me another hit of that.

• 34:10Speaker 03

  Maybe my favorite of the bunch.

• 34:11Sam Morril?

  That is crazy.

• 34:12Speaker 02

  Are those bottle shaped like that, 'cause they could fit in your boot, is that real?

• 34:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, or, or your back pocket.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Uh, back pocket, for ass, ass pocket.

• 34:19Speaker 03

  But if you wear boots, it definitely fits.

• 34:21Sam Morril?

  Damn, yeah, this is amazing.

• 34:23Mark Normand?

  Good use of it for anal.

• 34:25Sam Morril?

  The doctor was, the doctor was literally like, uh, no, he's like, brown liquor and coffee are the worst things for you right now?

• 34:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, wow.

• 34:33Sam Morril?

  And I was like, my two favorite fucking things? I'm not throwing like pussy, film noir, and the Knicks. Just ruined my life.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  They always take the good stuff from you first.

• 34:42Mark Normand?

  My doctor said brown people, so, you know. You got a better doctor.

• 34:47Sam Morril?

  Dude, I mean, 10 Nights at the Beacon is insane.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's been a trip.

• 34:51Sam Morril?

  That's like the, that's, we say that's like the coolest theater in America, I think.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  We're on, what is tonight, 8?

• 34:57Sam Morril?

  Wow, what a run.

• 34:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, so eight, bunch of press. It's been good, though. It's been a good run.

• 35:03Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's so cool, man. I get so many friends message me when we said you're coming on, like, oh, my god. Like, my friend Brian Koppelman was like, you gotta ask him, like, what it's like working with his wife. Like creatively, how do you work with your wife? That's wild to us. Cause we're, we're comics. We're on our own up there.

• 35:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:20Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, I met Susan on the road. She was opening for the Allman Brothers in 1999.

• 35:25Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  We, uh, bought a house, had kids, got married. It's one of those orders. And then 10 years in, we're like, I think we could probably maybe play music together.

• 35:35Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  We, we didn't jump in right away. Um, but it's been an amazing run. We're 15, 16 years in.

• 35:41Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  And it's, uh, but yeah, I mean, you gotta, it's gotta be the right person. Um, having a big band. You gotta make sure that everybody's role is pretty defined.

• 35:51Sam Morril?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:52Speaker 03

  Um, but it's been amazing. I mean, we've been really lucky. I mean, we're, we're better now than we were when we started the band.

• 35:58Sam Morril?

  Nice. Like, like in terms of collaborating, you think?

• 36:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:01Sam Morril?

  That's rare. Usually goes the other way.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, and, and if it does, I could see it going that way quick.

• 36:05Sam Morril?

  Right, right.

• 36:06Speaker 03

  So it's kind of like all or nothing, but it's, it's been an amazing run. And the band's in a healthy spot. I mean, it's, uh, I never would have thought we'd be able to make it this long with a 12-piece band. It's a

• 36:16Sam Morril?

  Jesus.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Heavy lift. With band and crew, we're 25, 30 people on the road.

• 36:21Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 36:22Speaker 03

  Days off are expensive.

• 36:23Sam Morril?

  Are you on, on buses? How do you do it? 12-piece band.

• 36:27Speaker 03

  You know, the residencies are nice, cause you stay put for a minute.

• 36:30Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  But we don't, in the summer, we're hitting the road hard. And it's, uh, you're on the bus, three or four buses, depending on the tour, how much production we're pulling.

• 36:38Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  So it's, I mean, eight or 10 people on a bus, you're, you're on each other. You better like each other.

• 36:44Sam Morril?

  I mean, that's so, so much harder than our, the way we, we literally show up with a mic. Exactly, and an opener, maybe. Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  You know, I, I've Had a few friends along the way that are comics and then every once in a while, one of them hits and all of a sudden you see them playing these arenas and things and they show up and they have a road manager, two of their friends, it's like four people traveling.

• 37:05Sam Morril?

  Yeah, that's exactly how we do it.

• 37:06Speaker 03

  Holy cow, that's incredible.

• 37:08Sam Morril?

  It's crazy.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's an amazing thing to see.

• 37:10Mark Normand?

  Twelve, that's more than ISIS. I mean, that's crazy.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, we can, we roll into a town, you feel pretty safe, like we have a small army rolling.

• 37:18Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 37:19Sam Morril?

  That's awesome.

• 37:20Mark Normand?

  If you're in a bar fight, you're good.

• 37:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's, there's a few guys in the band that, uh, you want to have them with you.

• 37:25Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:26Speaker 03

  A few foxhole guys. I mean, we have a few on our crew especially. There's a guy that drives a truck for us. He was driving with the Allman Brothers years ago and he was, uh, he was an army ranger. He was, I mean, he, he was, he was a prisoner of war for a while.

• 37:41Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  And when you show up at a festival, he's the first one on site. You roll in, he's got it all reconed. He's like, buses are here, but the exit point, we're like, yes, sir. I'm following you, Rick, when it hits the fan.

• 37:56Sam Morril?

  He wants to play Russian roulette after the show. You're like, dude, please don't.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  It's battle all the time with that dude.

• 38:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but you need, you need one or two of those guys. I had one of those guys in high school. He would just, if anything went down, yeah, he was ready.

• 38:07Sam Morril?

  Yeah, I'm glad that guy's on our side, dude.

• 38:10Speaker 03

  I mean, the, uh, the Allman Brothers had this famous roadie named Red Dog. Um, I think almost famous, it was a character based on him, but he was in Vietnam, came back, re-enlisted because of the, uh, adrenaline rush. He's one of those guys. But when I joined the Allman Brothers band, he had been there thirty something years and he's one of those guys that would take a bullet for anyone in the band. He was, he was hardcore and had.

• 38:32Sam Morril?

  The guy who wants to too badly and like, no one's got a gun, settle down.

• 38:36Speaker 03

  You don't have to instigate this. But he, he was a legend, man. They, they don't make them like that anymore.

• 38:41Mark Normand?

  Men, I'm gluten free, he's got an ulcer.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's it's different now.

• 38:46Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 38:47Mark Normand?

  Is that him?

• 38:47Sam Morril?

  Playing with the Allman Brothers.

• 38:48Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, there he is.

• 38:49Mark Normand?

  That's him? That's Red Dog?

• 38:51Speaker 03

  On the right.

• 38:51Mark Normand?

  Holy.

• 38:52Sam Morril?

  He yelling?

• 38:52Mark Normand?

  He's already yelling at a guy.

• 38:53Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. No, that's what he looked like when I joined the band, too. He was quite something.

• 38:57Mark Normand?

  Isn't he?

• 38:57Speaker 03

  Funny, the other night, Susan has become friends with, uh, with Cyndi Lauper, which is awesome. She is hilarious and incredible human. We went by her place for dinner the other night and she said, you know, I actually, I was in the Fillmore East the first time when I was seventeen and the Allman Brothers were playing and, uh, Elvin Bishop and I was, I was there because I was into the, the fashion. The groupies had the best fashion. I didn't care about the other groupie shit, but I wanted to see what they were wearing. And so I was talking to them and they were like, yeah, we can just, between bands, you just head backstage. And so I snuck backstage and I ran into Red Dog. He was this guy that was working with the Allman Brothers. So I was like, you met Red Dog?

• 39:36Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  And she thought he, she was a background singer and like, put her on stage, like, get out there, you're supposed to be.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  Well, that, that was like, never, never imagined Cyndi Lauper and Red Dog having a

• 39:47Sam Morril?

  That is crazy.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Having a connection.

• 39:49Mark Normand?

  I just saw her on TikTok. Like, she had a resurgence. She's doing great now.

• 39:53Sam Morril?

  Chris DiStefano's, our buddy Chris, is a comic. She played his mom in his new show.

• 39:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, is that right?

• 39:59Sam Morril?

  That'd be awesome, yeah.

• 39:59Speaker 03

  She came out to the Beacon the other night and set in. It was pretty incredible.

• 40:03Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 40:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, pretty fun.

• 40:04Sam Morril?

  Damn, she is, she's pretty damn cool.

• 40:06Mark Normand?

  That's gotta be the best, is hearing those old stories. I mean, I can't even imagine.

• 40:10Speaker 03

  Well, Red Dog wrote a, a self-published book called The Book of Tales and it's about what you think it is. It's just.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  Red Dog chasing the ladies. It, it is high comedy.

• 40:21Mark Normand?

  Ah, it's great.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  Highly recommended if you can find it.

• 40:23Sam Morril?

  Damn, we gotta, yeah, we gotta get that book.

• 40:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 40:26Sam Morril?

  What's the routine on the road? Like, what, like, what's a night like usually? Punk show? How do, how do you wind down?

• 40:31Speaker 03

  You know, if, if we're staying in a town, um, our band likes to hang afterwards. So a lot of times you find, half the band will end up at some jazz club where everyone's sitting in, horn section will roll in. We'll often end up there too, or you just find a dive bar. Everybody enjoys hanging band and crew.

• 40:48Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:48Speaker 03

  So it's, it's a good group that way where we, uh, I mean, we, we know that we have to be up the next day and working. So we, you know, there's a, there's a line.

• 40:56Mark Normand?

  Sure, sure.

• 40:57Speaker 03

  If there's a day off, it's a little different, um, but we.

• 41:00Mark Normand?

  The days off, there's a lot of lines.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. And it depends on how far you're traveling, you know, we, but we're a, we're adults. It's an adult traveling band.

• 41:10Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 41:10Speaker 03

  It's definitely not a, it's not a choir rolling down the road, but it's, it's a fun group. I mean, I've been in bands where you get off stage and everyone just heads their separate ways.

• 41:19Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 41:19Speaker 03

  You only see each other on the bus or on stage and, uh, luckily this is not that group. So it's, it, I think that stuff really matters actually.

• 41:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I agree. Bonding and it's a middle ground. You don't want to go do heroin all night, but you don't also go, uh, sit at a.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Different band.

• 41:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah. But there's a great dive bar, uh, up, uh, by the beacon with the harp on it.

• 41:38Speaker 03

  The Dublin.

• 41:39Mark Normand?

  The Dublin. Hey, that's a great dive.

• 41:42Speaker 03

  We were all there about three nights ago.

• 41:43Mark Normand?

  Oh, nice. Hell, yeah. I love that bar.

• 41:46Sam Morril?

  It's iconic, man. It's just so.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  Oh, man, I love that place.

• 41:48Sam Morril?

  Elevator and everything, all those iconic.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  It's the best.

• 41:50Mark Normand?

  There it is. Look at that big neon harp. You can't beat it.

• 41:53Speaker 03

  There's a Banksy out front.

• 41:54Mark Normand?

  That's right. That's right. Yeah.

• 41:56Sam Morril?

  We saw, we saw the video of you playing at 13, obviously, which is, I'm sure everyone brings that up to you. Is that just like, how did that start circulating? Is that you posted that or someone else?

• 42:06Speaker 03

  No, I didn't post that.

• 42:08Mark Normand?

  Wait, what is this, sir?

• 42:09Speaker 03

  It looks like I had an ass popping off stage.

• 42:12Sam Morril?

  This is crazy.

• 42:14Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  So wild.

• 42:16Sam Morril?

  Is it just weird to see that now?

• 42:18Speaker 03

  There's a lot of blackmail material. I was on the road at nine years old and.

• 42:21Mark Normand?

  Oh, my God.

• 42:22Sam Morril?

  Nine years old. You're like Drew Barrymore. What the hell?

• 42:24Speaker 03

  There were, there was like this couple, this, this guy and his girl that would follow us to shows and film almost everything. So every once in a while, something pops up. The guitar player up front.

• 42:33Mark Normand?

  Yep.

• 42:34Speaker 03

  Danny Roberts. He was in Mudcrutch, uh, Petty's original band.

• 42:37Mark Normand?

  Anyone else hard?

• 42:40Mark Normand?

  Look how cute. See, if I was a woman, I would just see the fingering abilities here. This is so hot. Then you'd go to jail. He's 13. Good point.

• 42:49Speaker 03

  And that guy Rick Stott, he was driving tour buses a few years later, so we rented to him. My uncle's tempat is in the back.

• 42:56Mark Normand?

  Damn. What shirt is that?

• 42:58Speaker 03

  That's a Dwayne Amon shirt.

• 42:59Mark Normand?

  That's killer.

• 43:00Sam Morril?

  This is so cool. Being that good at something at that age, does it kind of kill your social life?

• 43:05Speaker 03

  So, yeah, nobody in my school cared about that. That was not cool when I was in middle school or whatever.

• 43:12Sam Morril?

  And when they're going to parties and stuff, you're like, I gotta practice, I'm so good at this.

• 43:15Speaker 03

  I was on the road, man.

• 43:16Sam Morril?

  That's at 13, you're just on the road. Yeah, so. You really were at nine to 13.

• 43:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:22Sam Morril?

  What do your parents say about this?

• 43:23Speaker 03

  I mean, they were out with me, it was mainly weekends.

• 43:26Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  Miss a little bit of school. Teachers were good about giving you work in advance.

• 43:30Sam Morril?

  But they could tell that you're legit at this.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, they knew something was up, so until high school, they kind of stopped caring in high school. They're like, you have to be there this many days or you're not gonna pass.

• 43:43Sam Morril?

  We gotta finish your math homework, Philip. Did you just see that solo?

• 43:45Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Even though I would notice a few of my high school teachers out front at shows. While they were failing me.

• 43:54Sam Morril?

  That is hilarious.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  So I ended up homeschooling the last few years of high school, took my SATs and all that stuff on the road after shows.

• 44:02Sam Morril?

  Oh my god.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Just to let my mom know I wasn't a total degenerate.

• 44:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:07Speaker 03

  But it was, it was an amazing run, I mean, those were fun years.

• 44:11Mark Normand?

  This is a silly question, but do you worry that the youngsters now with the AI and all the shit, they're not gonna take the time to string away and fail and learn?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  I mean, you do, I think in, in the arts in general, you kind of worry about that.

• 44:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  But I think there's always pockets of people that just enjoy doing things because you enjoy doing it.

• 44:31Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  And so I think that's probably safe, which those knees.

• 44:38Speaker 03

  But the thing that I feel lucky, I'm glad I was ahead of the technological curve was I could pretty much cut my teeth in bars every night without it being posted the next day.

• 44:49Mark Normand?

  Here, here.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  You know.

• 44:50Mark Normand?

  So true.

• 44:51Speaker 03

  And I know, I'm sure in your world, it's even more so when you're working out material.

• 44:54Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 44:55Speaker 03

  You don't want people, but. Since.

• 44:58Sam Morril?

  I remember Louie got in trouble for that like years ago. He had a Sandy Hook. It was like when people really had turned on Louie and

• 45:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:03Sam Morril?

  A Sandy Hook bit.

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:05Sam Morril?

  Not the bit you want to be captured.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  Especially when it's not landing correct.

• 45:09Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 45:09Mark Normand?

  Exactly.

• 45:10Sam Morril?

  I know, but but he was like, I was like, dude, let it, let it, give him a minute.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:15Sam Morril?

  It's not a special. He's gonna figure it out.

• 45:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:17Sam Morril?

  You know, but.

• 45:18Speaker 03

  So so I had many years of we play every night. You're on to the next city. And even if people were recording it, it wasn't. It wasn't like the next city didn't know how bad you were.

• 45:30Sam Morril?

  Right, right.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  That you were working it out. So, yeah, I I kind of worry about that for up and coming artists is like. As soon as you learn something, you want to share it with people and you can, and maybe you shouldn't.

• 45:40Sam Morril?

  I agree, completely, completely agree.

• 45:42Speaker 03

  There is something about paying your dues and actually putting the work in that, uh, I don't know. I feel lucky that I was able to.

• 45:49Sam Morril?

  Yeah, anonymity anonymity is a gift.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  It is, man, it is. I I remember, uh, listening to some early Richard Pryor.

• 45:57Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 45:57Speaker 03

  Like some bootlegs and going, wow, he wasn't that funny yet.

• 46:01Sam Morril?

  Right.

• 46:02Speaker 03

  Kind of like, it kind of gave me a lot of hope because you're like.

• 46:04Sam Morril?

  He also might have been on a lot of drugs.

• 46:06Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  I think it was even before, like.

• 46:07Sam Morril?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:08Speaker 03

  It's like he was such a master and you're like, even he had to cut his teeth.

• 46:11Sam Morril?

  Exactly.

• 46:12Speaker 03

  You hear like early Charlie Parker or Coltrane, you're like, wow, he wasn't that guy yet.

• 46:17Sam Morril?

  That's crazy. Well, there's that famous Miles Miles Davis quote, right? It takes you a long time to sound like yourself.

• 46:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 46:22Sam Morril?

  It's like, but for comedy, you're like, it takes, you're a prodigy at thirteen. There's no great comic at thirteen.

• 46:27Mark Normand?

  No.

• 46:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're right. It's a, that's a different thing. Yeah. The other great Miles Davis quote, uh. John Coltrane was going through this period where it was just sheets of sound and he's like, man, I just, when I start playing a solo, I just, I don't know how to stop. I can't stop. And Miles goes, just take the fucking horn out of your mouth.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  That's actually good advice for a lot of things.

• 46:49Mark Normand?

  He's a scary guy. You ever watch some of his interviews on YouTube? He was a wild man.

• 46:53Speaker 03

  There there's one floating around now of, it was like some morning TV show that thought it'd be a good idea to have these up and coming trumpet players.

• 47:00Sam Morril?

  Oh.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  And Miles judged them. It's like twelve year old kid gets done playing. It's like, Miles, uh, so what do you think of, uh, his sound? And he goes. He knows what he sounds like. It's just ice cold, man.

• 47:15Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I like.

• 47:15Speaker 03

  And you can see this kid.

• 47:16Sam Morril?

  Oh, man.

• 47:17Speaker 03

  It's, it's bad.

• 47:18Mark Normand?

  Wow, yeah, Norm.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  It's a little too hard.

• 47:20Mark Normand?

  Norm MacDonald was the judge on Last Comic. And, you know, it's NBC, it's all nice and family and all this. And Norm be like, yeah, it's really bad. Some pork and flu there from Cleveland.

• 47:30Sam Morril?

  You were on that season?

• 47:31Mark Normand?

  I wasn't on that season.

• 47:32Sam Morril?

  I was on that season.

• 47:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 47:33Sam Morril?

  And I was like, Keenan dug me, but, but Roseanne and, and Norm complimented me. I was like, all right, I'll take it.

• 47:39Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's, that's perfect.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Man, Norm was incredible.

• 47:41Mark Normand?

  The king.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, man, he is one of my favorites. Bill Hicks and Norm.

• 47:46Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 47:46Sam Morril?

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:47Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you got good taste.

• 47:48Sam Morril?

  Yeah, you listen to Bill Hicks stuff now and you're like, I love the albums where he's bombing the, the Flying Saucer Tour. He's just furious, the crowd.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  It's amazing.

• 47:55Sam Morril?

  It's insane.

• 47:55Speaker 03

  There's a few Bill Hicks rants that are all timers, man, all timers.

• 47:59Mark Normand?

  The screaming one where he screams at the lady.

• 48:02Sam Morril?

  That's a bad moment, though. That's like, that's like.

• 48:05Mark Normand?

  But he was still articulate. Like, all still entertaining, of course, of course.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  I, I had a, I had a Bill Hicks, uh, I never got to see him. But Susan's friends with Willie Nelson and his wife. And she surprised me in Hawaii. We were doing a tour in Japan, stopping in Hawaii for a few gigs. And she, and Susan's like, I'll meet you there. We'll go stay at a friend's house. And I was like, I'd really rather just go to a hotel.

• 48:29Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 03

  She's like, trust me. So she picks me up, go to this house. They have this wing of the house. They just let me crash because I'm, I'm, you know, jet lagged. And I wake up in the middle of the night, wander the kitchen. I didn't know whose house it was yet. And Willie Nelson wanders out like, hey, are you jet lagged? You hungry? I was like, I, I am actually. So we ended up staying with Willie for a week.

• 48:51Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 48:52Speaker 03

  And, uh, who's the most amazing human on earth? He had this gambling room, uh, Django's Orchid Lounge. He, it's poker, it was chess. He's like, sharp as a damn tack. But I was asking him about Bill Hicks because he lived in Austin. And, and like, I knew his politics would be the same as Willie's. And he didn't know about him. So I, we went to his living room, his family's there. And I was like, pull up, I forget what record, like rant in E minor.

• 49:16Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  Whichever one it was. And she just pops on this one that just says Willie. And right when it started, I was like, oh. Shit. This is Bill Hicks going, "Any artist that does an advertisement, you are off the artistic roller coaster ever." That goes for anybody, except maybe Willie Nelson. He was like, "Willie was so fucking high." He's doing Taco Bell commercials and he just goes in so hard on Willie. I just met this guy.

• 49:42Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 49:43Sam Morril?

  This is when we should go to a Shopify ad real quick.

• 49:46Speaker 03

  I really thought he was just gonna be like, "Who is this asshole in my house?" Like, playing this. Then Willie laughs and then a few days later, "Man, that Bill Hicks stuff was great."

• 49:55Mark Normand?

  Oh, alright. So he's a cool guy. He can take a joke. There it is, a Taco Bell ad. And he probably got half a bill for that or some shit.

• 50:05Speaker 03

  I mean, that was, uh...

• 50:06Mark Normand?

  That was a different time.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  Back when he didn't pay his taxes and...

• 50:11Mark Normand?

  Alright, let's see. Just give me a taste of this meltdown he has here on this lady.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  Come on, get the fuck out of here right now. Get out.

• 50:20Mark Normand?

  Crowd's loving it.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  You're everything that America should be flushed down the toilet, you fucking turd. Fuck you. Get out. Get out, you fucking drunk bitch. Take her out.

• 50:32Speaker 03

  Holy cow.

• 50:33Mark Normand?

  Sounds like my dad talking to my mom.

• 50:35Speaker 04

  Go see fucking Madonna, you fucking idiot piece of shit.

• 50:41Sam Morril?

  I showed this to Madonna recently. She was furious.

• 50:45Speaker 03

  So maybe, she was like, "That was great."

• 50:47Mark Normand?

  That's a little awesome.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Holy cow. Yeah, Bill Hicks is, uh, he was one of a kind. He would have done well now.

• 50:54Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, a lot to talk about.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  Holy cow.

• 50:57Mark Normand?

  Fucking Iran, can you believe this shit? Yeah, just go on.

• 51:00Sam Morril?

  We gotta bring up, I know probably a million people brought this up to you, but the guitar you're playing, the Jerry Garcia guitar, the $12 million guitar.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 51:08Sam Morril?

  This is crazy.

• 51:08Speaker 03

  That was wild, yeah.

• 51:09Sam Morril?

  How did you get your hands on this and how, like, how did the auction thing?

• 51:13Mark Normand?

  Sorry, sorry. That's my instrument.

• 51:18Sam Morril?

  It is ass pocket whiskey, holy shit. But, uh, yeah, how'd you get your hands on this and how'd the auction thing go?

• 51:25Speaker 03

  I mean, it was kind of by chance. Uh, one of my friends was in town. He's actually part of APW with us and he was going down, he's, him and a few partners were going down to take a shot at that Garcia guitar. And, uh, so they, they, it's called family guitars. They collect guitars and get them out to musicians to play and they like try to keep them in the, in the stream instead of locked away. So I went down just to kind of watch the spectacle. They had a John Coltrane horn up for sale that was like estimated at like 40K and I was like, I'll take a run at that. It went for like 400. I didn't take a very long run at it.

• 52:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 52:03Speaker 03

  I was there like, uh, this'll be fun. And then the David Gilmour guitar went for like 12, 14 million.

• 52:09Sam Morril?

  Wow.

• 52:09Speaker 03

  I was like, what is happening in here? There was a drumhead, the Beatles drumhead from Ed Sullivan. I think it was like 2.8?

• 52:16Sam Morril?

  Okay, okay.

• 52:18Speaker 03

  Drumhead.

• 52:19Sam Morril?

  Who's buying this stuff?

• 52:20Speaker 03

  Uh, who knows, man? There was a lot of internet bidders.

• 52:22Sam Morril?

  Oh, Elon Musk.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  But, uh, but they, our buddy ended up getting that guitar, the, the Garcia guitar, and they brought it out for the next few nights to the Beacon. They got to keep it in the dressing room.

• 52:32Sam Morril?

  Was there like security detail with that guitar?

• 52:34Speaker 03

  I mean, there's, probably should have been, but once, once we got it to the Beacon, they, they let me just kind of keep track of it in the, keep it in the dressing room and it's fun to play it. I've never played a guitar like that. It's like 13 and a half pounds, like metal.

• 52:47Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Really unique instrument.

• 52:50Sam Morril?

  Look at that beautiful thing.

• 52:52Speaker 03

  The, it, the, the woodwork on that thing is wild. Super articulate sounding and playing. It's similar to the SG I play. I found out it has like a metal nut, metal bridge. So when I would really get on it, I think I broke two or three strings right off the top of it.

• 53:09Sam Morril?

  Damn.

• 53:09Speaker 03

  So you can't manhandle it the way you can my guitars. It's much more a precision instrument. But by the second night, I felt like I could really get inside of it, figured out some of the sounds, but it was, it was quite fun to play. It's not something you do every day.

• 53:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 53:24Speaker 03

  The guy also brought out one of Frank Zappa's guitars, the Baby Snake guitar. And that thing was wild. Pretty much the fastest guitar I've ever played, the way it was set up.

• 53:32Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 53:32Speaker 03

  Cause Frank Zappa, like Les Paul and those guys, they were, they would tinker with their instruments. They would, they would just modify them. I think it had like a fuzz face inside of the guitar.

• 53:42Mark Normand?

  Oh, cool.

• 53:43Speaker 03

  It was like a rocket ship, that thing. That was fun to play.

• 53:45Mark Normand?

  Damn, I have Bill Cosby's bed.

• 53:50Sam Morril?

  That is the thing, we don't, we don't do that. We don't, I've never, we don't buy like Jerry's mic.

• 53:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:54Mark Normand?

  That's true, yeah.

• 53:55Sam Morril?

  Dude, this is, this is Mort Saul's stool.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  Like a long skinny microphone.

• 53:59Sam Morril?

  Not this stool, it's one of his poofs.

• 54:01Mark Normand?

  That's true. What is that about comics?

• 54:03Sam Morril?

  Cause we don't, we don't care about the mic.

• 54:05Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I guess so.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Like maybe his diary.

• 54:08Mark Normand?

  There you go, yeah.

• 54:09Sam Morril?

  That's true, like a notepad would be kinda cool.

• 54:11Mark Normand?

  A notepad's good, yeah.

• 54:12Sam Morril?

  George Carlin's notebook, that would be kinda cool.

• 54:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah, in, in Rogan's Club, he's got, uh, Dangerfield's joke book and notes on the wall.

• 54:19Sam Morril?

  I've seen, that's beautiful.

• 54:20Mark Normand?

  Pretty cool.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  We ran into, uh, George Carlin on the road early years.

• 54:23Mark Normand?

  What?

• 54:23Sam Morril?

  Whoa.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  We were playing the same casino and I was like, snuck into his show. And then after our gig was over.

• 54:28Sam Morril?

  Where was this?

• 54:29Speaker 03

  I, I think it was probably Vegas. I don't, I don't remember. We didn't do a lot of casino shows with the Almonds, so I'm assuming. But I remember going to the, uh, elevator after our show and it's closing and Carlin walks in with two ladies. I was like, yes.

• 54:44Mark Normand?

  Hell, yeah.

• 54:45Speaker 03

  It was incredible. I don't know if they worked with him or what the deal was, but he rolled in, he rolled in hard, just. It was, uh, quite a moment.

• 54:52Mark Normand?

  Yeah, he partied till the end.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, he, he's a, he's a hero, man. His stuff holds up.

• 54:56Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  He's like a Bill Hicks or those guys where you're like, it just, it's never wrong.

• 55:01Mark Normand?

  Yeah, he's, he's one of those guys with the right and the left claim him. They're like, look, he calls everybody, uh, homos.

• 55:06Speaker 03

  He's like, I, he's like, I hate all of you.

• 55:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 55:09Speaker 03

  Out of my face.

• 55:09Mark Normand?

  Abortion, yeah, he's got every angle down.

• 55:11Sam Morril?

  I love the angle, the, the albums, like Complaints and Grievances, where every bitch just starts like, here's another group of people that ought to, whose mother's plans ought to have included abortion.

• 55:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 55:20Sam Morril?

  It starts every premise with.

• 55:22Speaker 03

  Tell us how you really feel.

• 55:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:24Speaker 03

  Holy cow.

• 55:25Mark Normand?

  He's the man.

• 55:26Sam Morril?

  That's crazy. Touring with the Almonds when you were that young has gotta be insane. Is that just, are you just?

• 55:30Speaker 03

  It was pretty wild. I mean, I, I was 19 when I got the call and I think I just turned 20 when I did the first gigs with them. And, uh, I was just hit the ground running.

• 55:41Mark Normand?

  Oh, sorry. Anything you saw too young, where you're like?

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Actually, by the time I got there, they were all like just reformed and toy poodles and watching like Matlock in the back of the bus or whatever it was. It was pretty mellow for the

• 55:56Sam Morril?

  It's gonna be a party to like, dude, we gotta, we gotta watch some Law and Order.

• 55:59Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  It was funny because when, when I met Susan, she had double trouble. Stevie Ray Vaughan's old band is her backup band.

• 56:07Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 56:07Speaker 03

  And so it was, it was the Allman Brothers and Susan and her band. And they knew Greg from the early like hardcore partying days. And so they would not let Susan come on the bus with, like, I was on Greg's bus and they were just like, you're not going over there.

• 56:20Mark Normand?

  Smart.

• 56:21Speaker 03

  So I had to like court her band to

• 56:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 56:24Speaker 03

  Hang out with Sue. But I appreciated that they were protective of her and they weren't gonna let her go. Even though it was a boring ass bus we were on at that point.

• 56:31Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  Not a drop of alcohol.

• 56:34Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 56:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, they, they were, I thought that was very sweet.

• 56:36Mark Normand?

  Hey, for a white Russian, almond milk. Uh, like almond with this booze, just saying, okay, put it, put it in the back burner. Oh, you're right. I thought it was whiskey, shit.

• 56:50Sam Morril?

  Nah.

• 56:50Mark Normand?

  My bad.

• 56:51Speaker 03

  Swamp water.

• 56:52Mark Normand?

  There you go.

• 56:53Sam Morril?

  That's actually probably good on my ulcer right now, white Russian.

• 56:55Mark Normand?

  Oh, there you go.

• 56:56Sam Morril?

  I wanna game the system.

• 56:57Mark Normand?

  Coat it. Or Pepto, we can make a Pepto cocktail.

• 57:01Speaker 03

  Dicky Betts.

• 57:02Sam Morril?

  Maybe we should cut it back a little bit.

• 57:04Mark Normand?

  Yeah, you're right.

• 57:04Sam Morril?

  But, uh, damn, you should hang with the almonds. Are you just like, are you just picking their brain at all times? Like, what are you trying to get out of them when you're, when you're that young?

• 57:12Speaker 03

  I mean, you know, that was the first music I listened to. So it was, uh, they were heroes and, I mean, my uncle was in the band. I didn't see him a lot as a kid. They were, we were, I grew up in Jacksonville, Florida. My dad's a roofer. My mom worked at the elementary school and so I heard stories about that stuff, but I wasn't around it. But yeah, they, they were kind of mythological creatures to me.

• 57:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 57:33Speaker 03

  So when I finally met him and I, well, I flew out thirteen, fourteen and played in Greg's solo band for a while.

• 57:39Mark Normand?

  Geez.

• 57:40Speaker 03

  That was pretty wild.

• 57:41Mark Normand?

  Insane.

• 57:42Sam Morril?

  And your friends at school don't understand.

• 57:44Speaker 03

  No, they could care less, man. They thought that was the lamest shit.

• 57:48Mark Normand?

  You could have listened to real music like Ace of Base.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. That's what was going on.

• 57:54Mark Normand?

  Ah, Janet Jackson.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  I mean, that was, I think, I think it was middle school, maybe sixth grade. Entertainment Tonight did this piece on me and they followed me around school. And that's back when it was like big cameras and shit and they're hiding in different spots. And everyone's like, why are they following this nerd? I was like, why are they, like, other than two or three of my closest friends had no idea that I played music.

• 58:17Mark Normand?

  Your boys got it. Your boys, your close friends.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, but they kind of got it, but they didn't listen to real music at that point either.

• 58:22Mark Normand?

  Well, you're so advanced at that age, like your skill level that you're.

• 58:24Speaker 03

  And no one's really listening to music at that age, you know?

• 58:27Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 58:28Speaker 03

  Music, music. Some people are, but.

• 58:29Mark Normand?

  It's like boy bands, maybe.

• 58:31Speaker 03

  But, but then they come around, you know, high school, college, then it becomes a thing.

• 58:35Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 58:38Mark Normand?

  Look at Little. That's crazy.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  How old are you here, do you think? What is that, ninety-one, eleven, twelve? That is crazy, dude.

• 58:45Mark Normand?

  That's wild.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Holy cow. What is that? Buzzy Meekins on bass. That's some Florida stuff. This is insane, dude.

• 58:54Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 58:55Speaker 03

  Greg Berrell.

• 58:56Mark Normand?

  Look at these haircuts. I love it.

• 58:58Speaker 03

  He had the best hair.

• 58:59Mark Normand?

  That's a beautiful mop.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  It's great audio on this one.

• 59:03Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 59:03Speaker 03

  So that footage is from this club in South Florida called Tropics International, right on the strip, next to the Clevelander. And that's the first time I met the Allman Brothers was there. Greg and my uncle came out, sat in.

• 59:16Mark Normand?

  Whoa.

• 59:17Speaker 03

  I, I remember there was a picture of all of us on that stage and their liquor bottles in front of the stage because the stage was on top of the bar in my grandparents' house. Super Southern Baptist, they had like a piece of construction paper over the liquor bottles. That's pretty amazing. That's amazing. Willie Lee from Letterman's Band.

• 59:38Mark Normand?

  Look at that. Damn.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  This is so cool. Rocking the shorts still, long shorts.

• 59:44Mark Normand?

  Hell yeah. That was a Hypercolor shirt. Those were big in the nineties.

• 59:48Speaker 03

  That was a knockoff Hypercolor.

• 59:50Mark Normand?

  Ultracolor.

• 59:51Speaker 03

  I didn't get those yet.

• 59:51Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 59:52Speaker 03

  And what are your parents saying when they see this? Well, see, my dad and mom were huge music fans.

• 59:58Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  They, Elliot Easton. Mmm. From the Cars, is that right? Wow. Damn. I remember, that was a, it, what was it, a, it's a big music store. Thoroughbred Music down in Tampa and they would throw a festival every year. Okay. It was Letterman's Band, Anton Fig and. Jesus. I forget who that was. But yeah, those weird memories. I haven't seen that in a bit. Wow. I mean, my parents, uh, grew up. My dad went AWOL from military school to see the Fillmore, Allman Brothers shows, like that stuff was like his, that was his stuff. He saw Hendrix a few times. As kids, he would take us to the Jacksonville Jazz Festival to see Miles, to see. Geez. To see Ray Charles, to see, so. What?

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  Music was, was important. We just, he just didn't play it. I mean, and so. But at what age do you, do you see that you have this ability? So I got a guitar at a garage sale at like, I think nine years old. Hmm. And my dad played a little bit, like enough to like woo my mom, play like bread songs or whatever. Sure, sure. And so, he figured out quick that I had, I had taken to it and he knew a guy that played with my uncle, guy named Jim Graves. And he gave me a few lessons and asked me to come sit in at the local blues club, like a. Whoa. It was like an open mic thing. So I started playing with him and then another local blues band, Ace Moreland and the West Side Story. And then we went to Toronto in eighty-nine or ninety. Mm-hmm. And then it was just kind of off to the races at that point. God.

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  But Ace was incredible. He was a left-handed guitar player. Um, I think he was full-blooded Cherokee. He was incredible, like very few Native American blues artists, it was like Jesse Ed Davis. But Ace Moreland was one of these guys. And that dude could sing. He played slide. He played slide with a microphone stand. Like he had all the, all the drip and swagger. But he, he died way too young, but yeah, Ace was, Ace was quite something. Ca- cancer got him. He was, he lived in Oklahoma, but he was down in Jacksonville for a while. There was this weird pipeline between Tulsa. And, and Florida, but Tulsa had Leon Russell, had like the old Derek and the Dominos, that Clapton Band.

• 1:02:03Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:04Speaker 03

  Mad Dogs and Englishmen, that Joe Cocker Band. There were all these Tulsa musicians. It was this amazing,

• 1:02:08Mark Normand?

  Interesting.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  amazing scene there. So he was kind of on the edge of that scene.

• 1:02:11Sam Morril?

  There's that famous rock club in Tulsa, you know the one?

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  Kane's Ballroom.

• 1:02:14Sam Morril?

  Yeah, it's amazing. I've been there and it's like,

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  It's so badass.

• 1:02:17Sam Morril?

  They brag at, they brag about that. This is where the Sex Pistols punched a hole in the wall.

• 1:02:21Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 1:02:21Sam Morril?

  Fucking awesome. Yeah. No, it's one of the coolest rooms.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  That Fillmore East photo you just had up, you gotta go back to that thing.

• 1:02:27Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  That, uh, so that was taken for the Fillmore East Show in here, of course, in New York City. But the picture was taken in Macon, Georgia downtown.

• 1:02:36Mark Normand?

  Ah.

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Cause we were, when we were at Greg's funeral, we were in the car with Dicky Betts there and we drove by that wall. And he's pointing out to his son, that's where we took the photo. But Jim Marshall took that photo, the great photographer.

• 1:02:48Sam Morril?

  Do you know the story behind it?

• 1:02:49Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:49Sam Morril?

  Please tell.

• 1:02:50Speaker 03

  My uncle, who's on the, on the right there, one leg out grinning, he, he said Jim Marshall just treated him like, just hick assholes. So the band's pissed. They're just like, we're gonna, can kill this guy. Like, it's, it's not going well. And so, so Dwayne tells somebody like, go get, go get my buddy and like, go, go score. Go score a bag. He comes back with a big old bag of drugs and flings it at Dwayne and he grabs it. And he's holding it between his legs there. And the band's just finally, they get, they like laugh like finally, it's like the one shot.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Like the band finally scored.

• 1:03:24Sam Morril?

  You hear the good side of drugs, guys?

• 1:03:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  That's right. They tell a good story.

• 1:03:29Mark Normand?

  That's amazing. Where are you at on Link Ray? You know Link Ray?

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  I love him, man.

• 1:03:35Mark Normand?

  Oh, dude.

• 1:03:36Speaker 03

  That's a guitar tune right there.

• 1:03:38Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I was trying to find, uh, music to open my special and I was going through guitar lists. I wanted something without words.

• 1:03:44Speaker 03

  Pretty badass.

• 1:03:44Mark Normand?

  And I fell, I fell in love with this guy. I'd never heard of him.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  Oh, it's so good. A lot of, uh, it's like an old Fender blackface amp with a bunch of reverb.

• 1:03:53Sam Morril?

  It's from Hall Fiction, this song. This is great.

• 1:03:55Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:03:56Sam Morril?

  This is the only instrumental ever to be banned on radio.

• 1:03:59Speaker 03

  It's so just seductive.

• 1:04:01Mark Normand?

  It's so sexy.

• 1:04:02Sam Morril?

  Well, it was called Rumble, so the powers that be are like, get it off. We don't want kids acting up.

• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  I mean, that song will make you crazy right there.

• 1:04:09Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:10Sam Morril?

  It's so cool.

• 1:04:11Mark Normand?

  Man, he, he opened the door. Look, we got wet ass pussy.

• 1:04:16Mark Normand?

  That's on the radio.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Look at us. Progress.

• 1:04:20Speaker 03

  That and Booker T and the M G's.

• 1:04:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  I mean, those, when you can make an instrumental that compelling.

• 1:04:27Sam Morril?

  Yeah, totally.

• 1:04:27Mark Normand?

  Totally. There's a guy in the Forrest, Forrest Gump, that song, I can't think of the guy who sang it or who played it. It's incredible. It's in Forrest Gump.

• 1:04:36Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:36Mark Normand?

  When he's running with the ball and he becomes a football star. He's being chased by the bullies and they're throwing rocks at him.

• 1:04:41Speaker 03

  Guitar tune?

• 1:04:41Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Speaker 03

  Dick Dale or something?

• 1:04:44Mark Normand?

  What is it?

• 1:04:44Speaker 03

  Dick Dale, maybe?

• 1:04:45Mark Normand?

  Maybe, maybe.

• 1:04:48Mark Normand?

  Wait, you gotta go to the beginning. The beginning. The beginning. You retard. I ran yet well. Go further. That's it. I never thought that many words.

• 1:04:59Speaker 03

  Maybe.

• 1:04:59Mark Normand?

  Maybe that is not guitar. Sorry.

• 1:05:01Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, it is.

• 1:05:02Mark Normand?

  Oh, it is. Okay.

• 1:05:05Mark Normand?

  What is that? That's a lot of horns, too. I don't know, but that's the motivation for my, my opening my special. These songs, they all go unheard of. They're all amazing.

• 1:05:15Speaker 03

  That's what we need. We need a song and a movie.

• 1:05:17Mark Normand?

  Yeah. I think you're doing fine.

• 1:05:21Sam Morril?

  You must get hit up for that.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Occasionally. Not as much as I thought, because we, we did a lot of instrumental music in the early days. We were like, we just need, we need gas on this bus. Like, we need one song in a movie.

• 1:05:33Sam Morril?

  Did you get any at first or no?

• 1:05:35Speaker 03

  No, we had a, we had a Levi's ad with my solo band that bought our Winnebago. I remember we got the Levi's check for like 38 grand and we went to the, bought a band Winnebago. So that was pretty sweet. And then recently, there was a Chevy ad where they used the song. But it's funny, early, early days, back then, that was something you really thought about. You're like, do you, do you want your music in an ad? It was a total different mindset.

• 1:06:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  It was like, I don't think I want it. And like, it's disgusting.

• 1:06:03Sam Morril?

  Some people sell us when they do it now. What, what's your read on that? If like, if it's a big band and a.

• 1:06:07Speaker 03

  You know, I, I feel like, I feel like there's a line. Like, what is it for? If you're, if you need it, then, then I get it. It's but it's a different day, man. Like, you don't sell records anymore. There's

• 1:06:19Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  It's like it's it's a kind of a losing proposition. So I don't know. I don't I don't I don't judge people as harshly as I used to.

• 1:06:28Mark Normand?

  No, go for it. I mean.

• 1:06:29Speaker 03

  I feel like if you can get through the day, like, making music, like, do what you gotta do, as long as

• 1:06:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:34Speaker 03

  I mean, there there's certain things I wouldn't want my music used for.

• 1:06:38Mark Normand?

  Sure, sure.

• 1:06:39Speaker 03

  Political rallies.

• 1:06:40Mark Normand?

  You're right.

• 1:06:40Speaker 03

  You're like, I don't know about that, but.

• 1:06:42Mark Normand?

  J six, they were strumming.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  Totally. I don't want it to be the theme.

• 1:06:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but I mean, George Clooney's doing coffee ads. Jimmy Fallon's doing bank ads. I mean, it's all changed now.

• 1:06:51Speaker 03

  Well, for a while, like, you would only notice that you go to Japan and, like, all of your favorite stars are like, here, check this out. You would never do it in the States, but it's a different world now.

• 1:07:00Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, it's open game. I mean,

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  It's open game.

• 1:07:03Mark Normand?

  Matthew McConaughey's a Lincoln car, whatever it is.

• 1:07:06Sam Morril?

  But he made it look kind of cool.

• 1:07:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah, that's the the trick, I guess.

• 1:07:09Speaker 03

  It's weird for athletes. It's totally different. No one cares. No one even thinks about it.

• 1:07:12Sam Morril?

  If you're an athlete, you, like, made it. It's weird.

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:15Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 1:07:16Sam Morril?

  And a lot of it was like, you gotta get a signature shoe.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, or otherwise you're a chump.

• 1:07:20Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  If you don't have a shoe.

• 1:07:22Sam Morril?

  It's weird.

• 1:07:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:07:23Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but.

• 1:07:24Sam Morril?

  Athletes judge differently in a lot of stuff, though, I think.

• 1:07:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah, but the whiskey's gonna that's gonna put you on top, because.

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  That well, that's a labor of love. Actually,

• 1:07:32Mark Normand?

  Oh, OK.

• 1:07:32Speaker 03

  We're fans of that. Me and my brother, for years, would go look for Dusties down in the deep south. You go hit these old liquor stores and 15, 20 years ago, you could find incredible stuff sitting back there. And we found, like, three packs of Pappy for retail.

• 1:07:47Mark Normand?

  What? Wow.

• 1:07:49Speaker 03

  But, I mean, then then once that bubble burst, it was over. You could you'd find stuff. They're like, it's $2,000. It's like, well, you can keep it.

• 1:07:56Sam Morril?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:07:57Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 1:07:57Speaker 03

  At first, you could really find things.

• 1:07:58Sam Morril?

  Are you you're a straight bourbon or rye or guy or?

• 1:08:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, mainly. I like a good rum, too, though.

• 1:08:04Sam Morril?

  Really?

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Sam Morril?

  We are very unsophisticated rum drinkers.

• 1:08:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I'll drink bad rum, too.

• 1:08:11Mark Normand?

  Yeah, sure. We all have.

• 1:08:13Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:13Mark Normand?

  Rum and Coke.

• 1:08:14Sam Morril?

  But if you get me the swizzle, the swizzle's their thing there. But, yeah, I don't know anything about rum.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Mark Normand?

  What's a pachuga?

• 1:08:21Speaker 03

  Pachuga is like a mezcal where they put meat in the thumper.

• 1:08:26Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:08:26Speaker 03

  It's like an old, old style. Like, they'll hang, like, a turkey in it.

• 1:08:29Sam Morril?

  Make it smokier?

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  It it gives it a thing, man. It gives it a twang.

• 1:08:33Mark Normand?

  Man, meat in the thumper sounds like gay code.

• 1:08:36Mark Normand?

  I can't walk today. I have meat in the thumper.

• 1:08:38Speaker 03

  Different pachuga.

• 1:08:39Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:41Speaker 03

  But yeah, you'll have to search one of those out. Let me know how it goes. Yeah. It might be good for the stomach. Yeah, yeah. A lot of.

• 1:08:48Sam Morril?

  The doctor's like, you have another ulcer.

• 1:08:50Speaker 03

  They're postbiotics.

• 1:08:52Sam Morril?

  Derek Trucks told me to keep drinking. I don't know.

• 1:08:55Mark Normand?

  I do love a mezcal. Nothing beats that.

• 1:08:57Speaker 03

  I love a mezcal Negroni, dude.

• 1:08:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, so good.

• 1:09:00Speaker 03

  It's fun. Yeah, you'll like the Pachuga.

• 1:09:02Mark Normand?

  So wait, if you're at Twelby's band and you're at the Beacon, that little elevator, that must be 16 rides going up that thing.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  A lot of people have to walk.

• 1:09:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  Depending on age, seniority in the band, how well they played that night. Attitude, general attitude.

• 1:09:17Mark Normand?

  And we need a doc about you guys. Did you ever see the band, what is it, Last Waltz?

• 1:09:21Speaker 03

  Oh, man, incredible.

• 1:09:22Mark Normand?

  I fucking love Levon Helm.

• 1:09:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, Levon was the best.

• 1:09:25Mark Normand?

  He's the best.

• 1:09:26Speaker 03

  We got to spend some time with Levon.

• 1:09:27Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  He was one of those guys that if you were in the room with him, you just felt better for it. Like that dude would leave and everyone's just kinda.

• 1:09:33Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:34Speaker 03

  Like, shit, what a good human being. He was special.

• 1:09:36Mark Normand?

  He's a hero, for sure.

• 1:09:38Speaker 03

  There was a producer I worked with and he had just done a track with Levon and he said, he's the only guy that could just play two and four and like make you cry. Levon's groove was so simple, but it was just, like, no one can do it that way.

• 1:09:52Mark Normand?

  No one.

• 1:09:53Speaker 03

  It had a lope to it. It was just, it's when you can play something that simple and just stand out from everybody, it's a wild thing.

• 1:10:00Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:00Speaker 03

  It's his humanity. He was like, he was that person.

• 1:10:03Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:10:03Speaker 03

  Then he'd get on a tractor and go plow a field.

• 1:10:05Mark Normand?

  Exactly, exactly. He would drum and sing incredibly well, which has gotta be, it's so hard.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  I mean, one of the highlights, I remember playing the Beacon with the Allman Brothers, I think it was the 40th anniversary, called a lot of old friends of the band. And one night Levon came out and Taj Mahal, and we did The Weight.

• 1:10:24Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 1:10:24Speaker 03

  And Levon wanted his kit set up with my uncle and JMo, so it was three kits on stage. It was Levon on the side, Oteel, me, and Levon's just looking across the stage, singing, playing The Weight. Taj Mahal sings a verse, Greg sings a verse. It's like, holy shit. It was a, it was a heavy evening.

• 1:10:42Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 1:10:43Speaker 03

  Those were, those were quite fun.

• 1:10:44Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, Levon was amazing. He was a. There's, I think there's a drum instructional of him and just some of the best. He's like, and if your Tom Toms ring, you just put some tape on it. Tape on it. You're like, that's actually good advice. Elton John said, nobody should drum and sing, except Levon. Yeah, I think he's right. Levon was something. Our studio in Jacksonville was based on his barn up on, on his property. Oh shit. Cause I remember, I went up there with this, the, the same producer that was talking about his drumming. He brought me up there for this session with the band. It was with, uh, Rick Danko was still alive and Garth Hudson. And I was 15 or 16. I knew the band were, but not really.

• 1:11:24Speaker 03

  And I remember walking into that place and you just felt like, oh, this is entirely different than anything I've been around. When I left that, that day, that session, I ended up playing on the tune. It, it really changed the way I thought about music. Whoa. Rick Danko actually, no one had ever like produced a solo of mine I was playing. He's like, just pretend that you're breathing through it. Like, don't, don't fill all the space. And I was, it like really made me like step back and think about it. As like a songwriter or singer, instead of just go.

• 1:11:54Sam Morril?

  It's so similar to comedy too, where like if you, if you're coming off too mu- with too much energy.

• 1:11:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, it can be off putting.

• 1:12:00Sam Morril?

  I was seeing Leonard Cohen once at the Garden and seeing that energy in a, in a room that big.

• 1:12:05Speaker 03

  I have chills thinking about Leonard Cohen.

• 1:12:07Sam Morril?

  Yeah, but he just could control a room with just this low energy. And I'm like, that is fucking, that's a master.

• 1:12:13Speaker 03

  Master, master.

• 1:12:13Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  I, I think Leonard Cohen was about as good as it got. Hey, look at that. Love him. I think he's top tier. I have a friend that has been at every show I've ever played at the Beacon, which is like up in the mid 200s now.

• 1:12:26Sam Morril?

  Damn, that is crazy.

• 1:12:27Speaker 03

  It's pretty wild, but he, my friend went and saw Leonard Cohen twice on that last tour. And he called me after each show and he was like, I think that's the single greatest show I've ever seen. He was like, about an hour or two in, there's just, the air shifted. Yeah. And he just like, and you, you just wouldn't expect it cause he's not as, he's not a great singer. He's not, but he just draws you in.

• 1:12:47Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:47Speaker 03

  And it's the greatest songs. I mean, Suzanne is one of the greatest songs ever written. The Nina Simone version of Suzanne.

• 1:12:53Sam Morril?

  I don't know that. I gotta listen to that.

• 1:12:54Speaker 03

  There's two of them, but there's one with a full band. It's just, it's. One of my favorite recorded.

• 1:12:59Sam Morril?

  Put that to rec then.

• 1:13:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's so badass.

• 1:13:02Sam Morril?

  Dude, there's this great story of Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan talking, I read about and Leonard Cohen's like, oh, I love this song of yours. How long did it take you to write that? And Bob Dylan goes 15 minutes?

• 1:13:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:13:13Sam Morril?

  And he goes, I love Hallelujah. And he goes, yeah, that took me five years.

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, he wrote like a hundred verses. I mean, he's got pages of verses that just didn't make the cut. Damn. Leonard Cohen would work on a tune forever.

• 1:13:24Sam Morril?

  Do you feel that way with like, even like when you're playing guitar, you're like, is it never kind of dawned? Are you always kind of like, I have a new angle, you have a new tag?

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. I mean, I think that's the beauty of music is you, same with what you guys do is you never have to hang it up. It's not like an athlete where there's a shelf life, you know? I feel bad for guys that put that much energy into something and then at like 31, you're like, you're a little long in the tooth. Yeah. I mean, we're like, kind of just getting going. I mean, I feel, I'm 46 now and I feel, I feel like we're just kind of getting into the thick of it in a way.

• 1:13:57Sam Morril?

  You're 46 and you've been playing since you were nine. That's crazy.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  A lot of years on the road, man.

• 1:14:01Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  A lot of road years. Damn, that's awesome. Yeah, I feel lucky that we get to, you get to hone your craft. I remember watching that Jiro Dreams of Sushi documentary. Oh, yeah. And he was just talking about getting it good at something is pretty easy. Like that first 90%, that next 5%, it gets a lot harder. Those last two, three, four, five, like that, that's where everyone taps out. That's true. You can even get great at something pretty easily. Yeah. But it's that, it's that Leonard Cohen shit or that next level where most people are just, they're like, I did it. I made it. I'm done. Yeah. They kind of stop and you can tell, like you can, you can totally tell no matter how good somebody gets, you can tell when they've stopped trying or caring. That's true. Like, cause you, you are gonna drift backwards.

• 1:14:46Sam Morril?

  Well, do you just have to like love it or like?

• 1:14:49Speaker 03

  You have to love it. You have to be.

• 1:14:50Sam Morril?

  Need it.

• 1:14:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, agreed. You have to be a little crazy. You gotta be a little competitive. Just like, ah, I ain't done, motherfucker.

• 1:14:58Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:14:59Sam Morril?

  Do you see other people you see out there, you're like, fuck, I gotta step it up?

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, all the time.

• 1:15:03Sam Morril?

  Like, who's someone you see that you're like?

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  I mean, shit, that's one of the reasons we have our 12-piece band is because there's guys on stage that are kicking your ass every night.

• 1:15:09Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:15:10Speaker 03

  And you, like, you wanna, you don't wanna be the one left behind, you know?

• 1:15:14Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  You don't wanna be the guy on the team that's, uh, that's lagging or, or weighing the thing down. So that's part of it. Um, but yeah, I mean, you, you try to surround yourself with the best you can find or go see the best you can see.

• 1:15:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Speaker 03

  And, uh, yeah, it's a, it's a beautiful thing. You definitely find times where you're like, oh, this is, this part's really easy. But then maybe some things you thought you had in the bag get a little loose on you.

• 1:15:39Mark Normand?

  Uh-huh.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  You gotta go shed that. Whack a mole in a way.

• 1:15:43Mark Normand?

  And then you gotta see what you're not great at and lean into it.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:15:46Mark Normand?

  Which is very hard.

• 1:15:47Speaker 03

  And a lot of times it's trimming away the fat. It's, it's realizing that you don't have to do all of it.

• 1:15:51Mark Normand?

  Sure.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  Finding, finding the good stuff.

• 1:15:54Sam Morril?

  It's tough to listen to yourself, though.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  Oh, man. And it's tough to know the off-ramp, like, when you're making a record of, like, when, when can you, you can't overproduce a thing. You can overthink a, a bit or anything. There's a, there's a sweet spot where it's like, where it sings and it...

• 1:16:09Mark Normand?

  Yes.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  There's a time where you can just beat it to death.

• 1:16:11Mark Normand?

  That's true.

• 1:16:12Speaker 03

  And so, like, when you're recording with a full band, you kind of, you kind of think of these things ahead of time. You don't want the band overrehearsed. Like, you wanna have the song idea, and then you wanna be set up and ready to capture it when the band gets it for the first time. Like, you play it two or three times. You wanna get it on the second or third take. You don't wanna get it on the 10th take, because then...

• 1:16:31Mark Normand?

  Right.

• 1:16:32Speaker 03

  Everyone's trying to recreate something they, a little magic they had made earlier.

• 1:16:36Mark Normand?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  It's nice when you can capture it when it's peaking, so...

• 1:16:39Sam Morril?

  Is there a place you feel like you capture it best? Is like a venue or a city where you're like, this is, I, I'm locked in?

• 1:16:45Speaker 03

  We built a studio at home about, I guess, 2006 or something.

• 1:16:49Mark Normand?

  Wait, where's home?

• 1:16:49Speaker 03

  Jacksonville.

• 1:16:50Mark Normand?

  Okay, got it.

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  So, down in the swamp, we have this great room that the band formed in, and everyone feels really comfortable there. And we've just, every record, we've kind of added to it and tweaked it. So that place feels comfortable.

• 1:17:01Sam Morril?

  But what about like a live, like a live place?

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  The Beacon is one of them. That's why we keep coming back is, it's... Kind of where we check in every year, see if we made any progress.

• 1:17:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:10Speaker 03

  Or lost, lost some ground. And when you do 10 nights, we, we try to not repeat that many tunes. So you'll do, we'll do a hundred and hundred plus different songs over the 10 nights. So.

• 1:17:22Mark Normand?

  Do you get the nerds that do the, you know, they got the fish guys who go out and see fish. They're like, the setup was different, the lineup was different. Do you guys do all that?

• 1:17:28Speaker 03

  People pay attention. So that, that keeps us on our toes, which is nice. Uh, we, we keep a rehearsal room set up on the seventh floor. So we, we do sound check and then we go rehearse the band after that before the show. So we, we keep it moving.

• 1:17:41Mark Normand?

  Wow. Now you, you mentioned Leonard Cohen, that your friend said best show. What's the best show you've ever seen?

• 1:17:48Speaker 03

  I've, I don't know. I've seen a few, uh, Ray Charles when I was really young.

• 1:17:53Mark Normand?

  Wow, that's crazy.

• 1:17:54Speaker 03

  I mean, getting to be on tour with BB King and those guys.

• 1:17:57Sam Morril?

  I saw the video of you with BB King. You're playing for BB King.

• 1:18:00Speaker 03

  Man, that was.

• 1:18:01Sam Morril?

  I think John Mayer's there too.

• 1:18:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was an epic, epic tour.

• 1:18:04Sam Morril?

  They're both just clearly praising you.

• 1:18:05Speaker 03

  BB was so sweet. I mean, I saw Stevie Wonder about 10 years ago.

• 1:18:09Mark Normand?

  Damn.

• 1:18:10Speaker 03

  It was pretty life changing.

• 1:18:12Mark Normand?

  He didn't see you.

• 1:18:14Speaker 03

  We don't know. I, they're still out. Seen him drive a car.

• 1:18:18Sam Morril?

  We've seen the video, yeah.

• 1:18:19Mark Normand?

  He caught a mic stand once.

• 1:18:20Sam Morril?

  I saw, I saw him drive in. It was weird.

• 1:18:24Mark Normand?

  Uh, we did a show for a BB Nut and Yahoo and that was a lot.

• 1:18:29Sam Morril?

  We bombed.

• 1:18:31Mark Normand?

  I got some dome after.

• 1:18:34Sam Morril?

  What, uh?

• 1:18:34Mark Normand?

  That's good.

• 1:18:35Sam Morril?

  Yeah, that's a Ray Charles. That's, that's insane to see him live. And BB King.

• 1:18:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:18:40Mark Normand?

  Stevie Wonder. Give me a whitey. Just throw one whitey in, just for the hell of it. Come on.

• 1:18:45Speaker 03

  I never got to see Leonard Cohen.

• 1:18:46Mark Normand?

  All right.

• 1:18:47Sam Morril?

  I saw him a couple of times and it was, uh, towards the end and they were both incredible.

• 1:18:50Speaker 03

  I mean, to, to be honest, there were nights standing next to Greg Amon on stage with the Amon Brothers where he would belt something out and you would just go, oh, there he is. There's that thing like, every once in a while, man, there, there was a song that we would open the show with sometimes. It's an instrumental, Don't Want You No More. And it goes into, It's Not My Cross To Bear. There's this pregnant pause and Greg would come in with the first line and be the first vocal of the night. And you could just feel everybody's hair in the room. When he would pin it, it was, it was special.

• 1:19:20Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  And Greg could be all over the map, you know, he, he'd be sick or he'd be on his substance or whatever and then he'd be clean and you never knew what you were gonna get, but when it was on, that was, he was different.

• 1:19:32Mark Normand?

  What was your relationship, I mean, what's your relationship like with them?

• 1:19:34Speaker 03

  Hey, man, he was, he was super sweet to me from a young age.

• 1:19:38Mark Normand?

  That's good.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  He, he took me under his wing and he was always a gentleman and he, I mean, he changed my life, so.

• 1:19:44Mark Normand?

  Wow, wow. I have craziest show I ever saw and I never was even familiar with the band. I took a little bit of shrooms, New Orleans Jazz Fest. John Baptiste.

• 1:19:54Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah. Baptiste is great.

• 1:19:55Mark Normand?

  He is unreal. It was like spiritual, like I was moved. I mean, again, I was on drugs, but.

• 1:20:00Speaker 03

  When he was maybe eighteen or so, he was playing in Wynton Marsalis's band at, of the, what is it, the Rose Center down there? And we played a show, me and Sue played with Wynton's Orchestra and Baptiste was the piano player. And you could tell then, you're like, oh, that dude's a freak.

• 1:20:17Mark Normand?

  Oh, really?

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  Dude's a badass.

• 1:20:19Mark Normand?

  Well, yeah, he's the best trumpet player on earth, I guess.

• 1:20:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's one of them.

• 1:20:23Mark Normand?

  One of them.

• 1:20:23Speaker 03

  He was great.

• 1:20:24Mark Normand?

  From New Orleans?

• 1:20:25Speaker 03

  Yep. A lot of great guys from New Orleans.

• 1:20:27Mark Normand?

  Are there any cities you love going to again and again?

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  I mean, New Orleans is one of them.

• 1:20:31Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  Yep. Our drummer is from Tullahoma, Tennessee.

• 1:20:34Mark Normand?

  Really?

• 1:20:35Speaker 03

  He lives down in New Orleans.

• 1:20:36Mark Normand?

  Hey!

• 1:20:37Speaker 03

  JMo, the only original surviving Almond Brothers member is from down in Gulfport, so he grew up playing with all those New Orleans cats, so.

• 1:20:44Mark Normand?

  Oh, yeah, we got Randy Newman, but what's his name? Jimmy Buffett cut his teeth there, apparently. Doctor John.

• 1:20:50Speaker 03

  A lot of the great drummers, like a guy named James Black, Ed Blackwell, Zigaboo from the Meters. Like those guys, and then Alan Toussaint.

• 1:20:58Mark Normand?

  Oh, of course.

• 1:20:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and JMo knew all those guys, so when we would play, you'd see him side stage, you're like, you'd see somebody just dressed to the nines, you're like. Alan Tucson.

• 1:21:09Mark Normand?

  Yeah, and Harry Connick had a similar childhood like you, playing early.

• 1:21:14Speaker 03

  And you know the Marsalas and the Baptiste family, like, so John Baptiste comes from a very long line of incredible musicians down there. There's like, there's a few families of music down there that are just, it's thick.

• 1:21:26Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:26Speaker 03

  They've been doing it since the 40s and they're, they, some of them are professors at the colleges, some of them are just playing in the clubs where they're all equally just freakish.

• 1:21:35Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  It's, uh, yeah.

• 1:21:38Mark Normand?

  We also got Louis Prima and Louis Armstrong, just saying, sorry.

• 1:21:41Speaker 03

  It's a long list.

• 1:21:42Mark Normand?

  I'm claiming my hometown, what do you got here?

• 1:21:44Speaker 02

  So we only have four minutes.

• 1:21:45Mark Normand?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  I want to know if you could bless us with something, we have broader guitar, just to play us out.

• 1:21:50Mark Normand?

  Uh, it's not tuned though.

• 1:21:52Speaker 02

  It might be.

• 1:21:53Mark Normand?

  Might be tuned, take a look there.

• 1:21:54Speaker 03

  See what I can do here.

• 1:21:55Mark Normand?

  You know your stuff there. Give that a, give that a, just caress it like a, like a pre-teen.

• 1:22:02Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:22:03Speaker 03

  I'm playing an open tuning.

• 1:22:04Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  I think it might be open tuned, I strummed it, I think it's.

• 1:22:07Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  So you got it prepared for you.

• 1:22:09Mark Normand?

  Woo. All right, let's see if he can get us to cub in four minutes or less.

• 1:22:18Speaker 03

  Let's see.

• 1:22:23Mark Normand?

  By ear.

• 1:22:33Mark Normand?

  Woo, there it is.

• 1:22:39Speaker 03

  I like this, what is it, Epiphone?

• 1:22:43Mark Normand?

  You don't fucking know.

• 1:22:57Speaker 03

  We can play slide with that.

• 1:22:59Mark Normand?

  Oh, hell yeah, that's when you know you got a problem.

• 1:23:05Mark Normand?

  That's awesome.

• 1:23:09Mark Normand?

  12 million buck guitar. Who needs it? Yeah, it's a piece of junk.

• 1:23:15Speaker 03

  You know, it'd be better if I could tune it, but it does the job.

• 1:23:19Mark Normand?

  Alright, we threw it on you last minute.

• 1:23:24Mark Normand?

  But look how natural. You just, you fall right on that thing.

• 1:23:27Speaker 03

  Do you play?

• 1:23:27Mark Normand?

  Mm-mm.

• 1:23:28Sam Morril?

  No, no, I can't.

• 1:23:29Mark Normand?

  I'm a piano man.

• 1:23:30Sam Morril?

  Not at all. That's crazy.

• 1:23:33Mark Normand?

  Wow.

• 1:23:33Sam Morril?

  That was awesome.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  Well, that's fun.

• 1:23:35Sam Morril?

  Well dude, congrats on all these nights at the Beacon. It's amazing. And congrats on all the successes.

• 1:23:39Speaker 03

  It's pretty fun, man. The Beacon runs are something else. So, you know, we've had some friends in the neighborhood. Warren Haynes, who I played for 15 years. The Allman Brothers showed up the other night and it was, it was awesome to see the, the crowd response when he walked out. There's a lot of appreciation for the time he's put in there. So, you could, you could, there's, it's a really educated audience for our type of music, um, at our Beacon shows. Like, they know the history.

• 1:24:04Mark Normand?

  Ah, I love that.

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  They know all the backstories. So, when, when we finished, uh, the other night and he walked off, it was an awesome ovation. You could, it's nice to see, uh, see one of your, one of your musical compadres just get it, when the people give it up properly.

• 1:24:19Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  Like in old, in church, you get house.

• 1:24:22Mark Normand?

  Right, right.

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  He got house. It was good.

• 1:24:24Mark Normand?

  I'm such a dork. I only learned about him from, uh, Dave Matthews.

• 1:24:27Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:24:28Mark Normand?

  Back in college.

• 1:24:30Sam Morril?

  I had a friend who was really into the Allman Brothers back in the day. So that was like, you know, when you're drinking in, in a, in a bar, jukebox, you just play a bunch of Allman.

• 1:24:38Mark Normand?

  Ah, Blue Sky. Nothing better.

• 1:24:39Sam Morril?

  Yeah. Great music.

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, Blue Sky is probably my favorite track of theirs.

• 1:24:43Sam Morril?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:43Mark Normand?

  Yeah, it's the best.

• 1:24:44Speaker 03

  Dwayne Allman and Dicky at their best.

• 1:24:46Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:47Speaker 03

  Such a groove. Pretty incredible.

• 1:24:49Mark Normand?

  It's so good. Any, any, uh, artist you hate, real quick, before we go.

• 1:24:52Speaker 03

  I mean, there's quite a few, but I should probably not name them at this point.

• 1:24:56Mark Normand?

  Alright, I understand. Take that, Marcus King. No, I'm just kidding. No, we like Marcus. No, but thank you, Derek. You're the man. You're a legend. Thanks for coming on.

• 1:25:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Sam Morril?

  Please, the Knicks.

• 1:25:08Mark Normand?

  And get some goddamn ass pocket.

• 1:25:10Sam Morril?

  Get some ass pocket whiskey and, uh, awesome.

• 1:25:13Speaker 03

  Thank you, guys.

• 1:25:13Mark Normand?

  Thank you. Wow.

• 1:25:16Mark Normand?

  Hey, boy, that was a great combo. That was fun.

• 1:25:18Sam Morril?

  Man, he was awesome.

• 1:25:19Mark Normand?

  He is so good. He can talk. I guess when you're on a tour bus for 30 years with those freaks, you gotta be able to-

• 1:25:24Sam Morril?

  Since you're nine.

• 1:25:25Mark Normand?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:26Sam Morril?

  I didn't know since I knew he was a prodigy. I didn't know he was on the road since he was nine.

• 1:25:29Mark Normand?

  I didn't either.

• 1:25:30Sam Morril?

  That is wild, yeah. Amazing, huh?

• 1:25:31Mark Normand?

  As a kid, he was shredding. That was so cool.

• 1:25:33Sam Morril?

  I can't believe he played for us, too. That was incredible. Clip that.

• 1:25:36Mark Normand?

  Good, good thinking, Sally.

• 1:25:39Speaker 02

  So we got some dates, Mark. Where are you at?

• 1:25:40Mark Normand?

  Yeah, I'm in Fort Lauderdale. Come on out. Working on a new hour. It's rusty, it's clunky, it's sweaty, but it's fun. Then I'm in Chattanooga at the Walker Theater, Raleigh at Goodnight. Haven't been there in years. Love that club. Uh, LA for the Netflix Fest. Special's cooking. Then I'm in Ontario, Nuvo Brunswick, Spokane, and Philly, and Milwaukee in Irvine, California at the Improv, and Tempe, Arizona, Royal Oak, Michigan, Cleveland, and Tampa. That's enough. Seattle. Seattle as well. All right, San Francisco at Cobb's. Can't wait to get back to SF.

• 1:26:22Mark Normand?

  All right, come on by. Where you at, Samuel?

• 1:26:26Sam Morril?

  Um, fuck, I'm trying to find updated.

• 1:26:28Mark Normand?

  Okay.

• 1:26:29Sam Morril?

  For me, because I have some stuff.

• 1:26:30Mark Normand?

  Well, he's gonna be at the Netflix Fest.

• 1:26:31Sam Morril?

  Yeah, Netflix Fest. What else we have? Oh, yeah, Verona, yeah, that's May 7th at the United Theater on Broadway. I'm with Jordan Jensen, Joe List, and Rachel Feinstein. It's gonna be super fun. We got Verona, New York, Turning Stone Casino, June 6th, Lisbon, Portugal, and then I'm adding a bunch of shit all over Europe. It should be out by now. It should be on the site, punchup.live/samuel. Lisbon, Portugal, I believe we have Athens, Greece, Budapest, Croatia, Vienna, uh-

• 1:27:01Mark Normand?

  Wow, that's fun.

• 1:27:02Sam Morril?

  Yeah, Warsaw, Poland, Helsinki, Finland, Stockholm, Sweden, and Copenhagen.

• 1:27:08Mark Normand?

  Woo!

• 1:27:09Sam Morril?

  So, and I'll add some more. Uh, yeah, follow us and all that junk.

• 1:27:13Mark Normand?

  Oh, that was the last one. That was it.

• 1:27:15Sam Morril?

  You guys are the best. Great app. See you guys soon. Buy some Bodega Cat Whiskey.

• 1:27:18Mark Normand?

  Yes!

• 1:28:05Speaker 05

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