The Nintendo Switch 2 is Finally Here!

This week, Marques, Andrew, and David start off by going over all of the WWDC rumors. Then they give their live reactions to the Nintendo Switch 2! After that, they take a trip down memory lane and reminisce about all of their favorite phones that they've ever used. Enjoy! ⁠Vox Media survey!⁠ Links: Bloomberg iOS 26 rumors MacRumors WWDC rumors 9to5Mac Homepod rumor MKBHD Nintendo Switch 2 video Waveform Fediverse episode Music provided by Epidemic Sound Shop the merch: https://shop.mkbhd.com Social: Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Hosts: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:23Speaker 01

  That's J-I-R-A dot com. Can I do a quick double, double-check sound check? Type beat? Nintendo Switch 2. As well. Nintendo Switch 2 OLED. Nintendo Switch 2 OLED Pro XL. All right, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say that's good. Andrew, you one more time?

• 1:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Nintendo Switch 2 Lite. Nintendo Switch 2 A. Nintendo Switch 2 Pro.

• 1:47Andrew Manganelli?

  Nintendo Switch 2 3.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  Okay, can you pretend I said something really funny, please?

• 1:52Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I've never imagined that in my life.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

• 2:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm Andrew.

• 2:04David Imel?

  And I am the Nintendo Switch 2. Finally.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Only video viewers will appreciate what just happened. Audio listeners think we are just exhausting this joke, but I swear David's holding a Switch 2.

• 2:16David Imel?

  I am, in my hands.

• 2:18Speaker 01

  His name's actually David, but there is a Switch 2 right there. Yeah, wow. In today's episode, we got some predictions for WWDC, because that's next week. So we can chat about that a little bit. But also, Switch 2 in the hand, first slash second impressions, looking at it again alongside my Switch 1 and your Switch OLED. And also, we're gonna have a fun little game slash activity where we're gonna go through our smartphone chronology. Every smartphone we've owned. It's gonna be different slash difficult for some of us, but you'll see. You'll see what we mean. But first, the great distraction of 2026.

• 2:55Speaker 01

  Which is that to distract the world from its perhaps slightly lackluster WWDC announcements, Apple is going to rename all of their software operating systems to 26 to match next year's year, 2026. So where we would ordinarily have gotten, I actually wrote, I took a screenshot of this to make sure I could remember.

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Where we ordinarily would have gotten iOS 19, iPadOS 19, TVOS 19, macOS 16, WatchOS 12, and VisionOS 3.

• 3:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Two, I thought.

• 3:28Speaker 01

  Instead.

• 3:29David Imel?

  No, three.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  Instead, we will get iOS 26, iPadOS 26, TVOS 26, macOS 26, WatchOS 26, and VisionOS 26. Thank you, Mark Germain, for that write-up.

• 3:41David Imel?

  Can I give you a hot take?

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:43David Imel?

  I'm like all for this in general, but also, I never really understood the car thing. Like, I know that it is.

• 3:50Speaker 01

  Oh. You know, car model years are always just the name of the year.

• 3:53David Imel?

  Yeah, but do cars always come out at the end of the year?

• 3:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Don't kind of.

• 3:56Andrew Manganelli?

  So to go on that, it's all matching the year, except that this comes out in 2025. But it's because it's like the end of 2025. So I guess the majority year is the default.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  It's not really the end of 2025. But it sounds way more.

• 4:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Way closer to the end.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Think about this, it's software, you want to sound futuristic. Imagine using 2025 software in January 2026. It already feels out of date, right? That's true. So you might as well just name it 2026 so that all of next year it feels right. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I get it. Software. Uh, yeah, I think this is fine. It's gonna make it easier to remember. When I make my video, I won't accidentally say watchOS 9 or 10 instead of the wrong number. It's just gonna be easy. Everything's 26. Cool. This is what Samsung did with their phones not too long ago. I think starting in 2020, we got the Galaxy S20, just to match the year. Cool. Well, I'm at least still glad that they're putting the place names on the macOS versions at the end. So it should be macOS 26 Tahoe. Yeah. Is it Lake Tahoe or just Tahoe? My hometown. Um. Oh, cool. Yeah, it's cool. Wow. Yeah.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Didn't they have like a picture of someplace you recognize or something?

• 4:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a rattlesnake den.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  It's a picture of Chuck Yeager.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  That's a deep cut, Ellis. But no, I think what we're actually expecting to see, the main, maybe most exciting thing, if we don't get many in the way of, of AI updates, is this new visual refresh of iOS, which has, we're expecting glass. We're expecting visionOS-like, uh, crystal-like, foggy, glass-looking type UI across the board. Aplacemorphic, realistic. I think it qualifies as skeuomorphic because it's material design, if you will. If you will. It's material. Uh, but things. By any other name. Yeah, things will feel transparent and it will change the looks and shapes and aesthetics of, of the entire OS. Yeah, I think it'll be fun. Are they gonna do this with the watchOS too, or is it just the phone? I imagine it should be everything.

• 5:46Speaker 01

  Oh, everything. macOS, watchOS, tvOS, vision, everything is gonna be classy. Yeah. That's cool. I'm like, I'm very curious in how this ends up feeling, but any big difference is kinda nice because the last big update on the iPhone at least was iOS 7. So it's kinda cool seeing, you know, a nu- a big visual refresh. Tech just goes in circles though, doesn't it? Remember? Oh, yeah. Windows 7? Oh yeah. The whole thing was Aero. Uh huh. Which is just glass. I feel like that's not.

• 6:15David Imel?

  Also, if you watch any of Microsoft's ads, they all have like that Aero glassy design.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  Aero glass, yeah.

• 6:22David Imel?

  So, you know.

• 6:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I like that they're putting them all more similar together, like the names. Their whole thing is that they're trying to make this easier to switch between everything. Which I think Mac for so long has been, the iPhone or the Mac is the easier thing to use for like non-tech people. But at the same time, I'm so interested to see what all of our like family thinks about this big update. Cause I still know, like, change is very scary to people who aren't in our world. I know people who still haven't switched to iOS 18 because the gallery change.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:56Andrew Manganelli?

  And like.

• 6:57Speaker 01

  That one's totally fair though. The new Photos app is dramatically worse.

• 7:00Andrew Manganelli?

  It is, but like that also means none of them have RCS, which means we did a bad job converting them. But there is someone in our office who hasn't switched because of the gallery. And I shamed him the other day.

• 7:10Speaker 01

  Oh, you can, you can name him.

• 7:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Tim.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  Tim. Tim. Tim, RCS, man, you're missing out.

• 7:17David Imel?

  Yeah, wow.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 7:18David Imel?

  Yeah, I message him on Telegram, so it's fine.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's fair, yeah.

• 7:22Andrew Manganelli?

  But like, yeah, I'm, this is supposed to be easier.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I think a lot of people are gonna be scared of it outside of our world.

• 7:29David Imel?

  Well, we'll see, cause I mean, there's a lot of like weird natural elements. And Sebastian Jowith, who makes Halide and Lux and all this stuff. He did a really good write-up about what he imagines that it will probably end up looking like. And he was mentioning in this write-up that a lot of the stuff that it's probably going to look similar to, Apple's been kind of quietly adding to the iPhone for the last few years. If you'll remember, the shortcuts section of the iPhone on the shortcut button.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Oh yeah.

• 7:57David Imel?

  Looks nothing like the rest of the UX.

• 7:59Speaker 01

  I talk about that a lot. And it's weird because a lot of other phones have copied that since then. Like the action button looks like they just like bolted on this weird UI that doesn't match the rest of the phone.

• 8:09David Imel?

  Yes.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  And then look at OnePlus's like new thing. It looks exactly the same. It just looks totally different from the rest of the phone. But you're saying this is gonna become like.

• 8:17David Imel?

  I think that that will sort of set the standard for what a lot of the rest of UI will look like. Uh, you've also got things like the dynamic island and how it's sort of like fluid, but also kind of like skeuomorphic in a way, very wavy. Uh, it's a very good blog. You should go read it and we'll see how close it is to the actual announcement.

• 8:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, he does some like mockups and they.

• 8:38David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 8:38Andrew Manganelli?

  They look really nice. I mean, I think it would be a good UI update.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  They look so good that I saw people that were reporting on them as leaks. And everyone was like, these are not leaks.

• 8:49Andrew Manganelli?

  This is one of those things, though, are people gonna make these really beautiful like mockups? And then we're gonna see the real thing and be like, I wish it was the mockup.

• 8:58David Imel?

  It'll be fun to compare this to Material 3 expressive, horrible name. But, uh, you know, they're very different directions. Uh, so it's kind of nice to have two very distinct styles instead of just having all technology that just converges.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  True, because there was a while there where everything was like flat white.

• 9:16David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 01

  Lots of blank spaces, super minimal.

• 9:18David Imel?

  Like you could not tell the difference between the setting screen of the Pixel and the iPhone for quite a while.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:24David Imel?

  They look the same.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I like, I like that they're diverging a little bit. I do think Material 3 expressive, despite its horrible name, is actually really nice.

• 9:31David Imel?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 9:32Speaker 01

  Just been using it on my Pixel 9. So yeah, we'll see.

• 9:34David Imel?

  Okay.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  Okay. Well, some other, some other smaller WWDC rumors slash predictions.

• 9:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Heard some down. You mentioned AI already.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Mark Gurman does not seem to think we're gonna get a lot of AI from, uh,

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:49Andrew Manganelli?

  this one. He says, first of all, he says he does, he just doesn't think new series ready yet. And he claimed he doesn't think AI will be the headliner.

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Despite Apple needing a comeback.

• 9:58David Imel?

  Very stark contrast to Google I/O. Literally two weeks ago, it was like, this will be an hour and a half straight of AI advancements.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:07David Imel?

  Go. Which is why they did the Android show separately.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And now Google, Apple's gonna get on stage and go, mm, new designs, new names.

• 10:15David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Don't worry about the future.

• 10:17David Imel?

  It's like what WWDC used to be before they got forced to do a bunch of AI stuff by the investors. And now they're like, we're not ready, so we're just gonna go back to what we know. But there have been a few little sprinkles of AI that a lot of rumors have been speculating on. Apparently the Shortcuts app is set to get Apple intelligence, which allows you to create shortcuts with natural language, which I think is very cool, because even though the shortcut, the Shortcuts app is not that used by normal people, because it has a very if this, then that kind of structure, which for people that haven't taken programming, might be a little bit. confusing to use if you could just say hey when I get home I want you to blah blah blah I want you to open my blinds and turn on my lights and it creates a shortcut that does that I think that could be very powerful

• 11:01Speaker 01

  is this vibe coding

• 11:03David Imel?

  this is vibe coding for if this then that

• 11:06Speaker 01

  for everyone

• 11:07David Imel?

  yeah yeah for everybody

• 11:08Speaker 01

  essentially you just tell your phone we wanted to do and it figures out what you said and and makes the Siri shortcut command to do it

• 11:14David Imel?

  yeah

• 11:14Speaker 01

  I think that's smart

• 11:15David Imel?

  yeah yeah they also had announced last year that Gemini was going to be an option instead of chat GPT to use on iPhone when it needed to check stuff

• 11:24Speaker 01

  I would do that

• 11:25David Imel?

  and I think that this year might be the year where they actually introduce it

• 11:28Speaker 01

  I would love that yeah I use Gemini all the time

• 11:30David Imel?

  yeah

• 11:31Andrew Manganelli?

  couple other things charging estimates on the lock screen that was something I read and as an iPhone user I was like this is the typical like wait it doesn't have that

• 11:43Speaker 01

  I think everyone I've tested for the last decade other than the iPhone has had this

• 11:47Andrew Manganelli?

  it's wild

• 11:47Speaker 01

  as soon as you plug it in it's like yeah it'll be four hours thirty four minutes before your phone's full it's like yeah and you put on a slow charger it tells you a longer time you put on a fast charger you're like oh this is better it'll take less time

• 11:55David Imel?

  they're not burning that under Apple Intelligence are they

• 11:58Speaker 01

  I think they might I think they might because that was one of the one of the things I read was they're supposed to be doing a battery optimizations using Apple Intelligence so this could easily be looped in under this where it's like oh we can tell you how long your phone's gonna take to charge

• 12:11David Imel?

  what if they are just like we are expanding Apple Intelligence and they just announce a bunch of stuff that's not using AI at all and then they're like forget all the things that we said we were going to announce

• 12:21Speaker 01

  they can up their we shipped it percentage

• 12:23David Imel?

  yeah exactly

• 12:24Andrew Manganelli?

  what do we think how little do they mention Siri in WWDC since it's not new Siri we were supposed to have

• 12:32Speaker 01

  I mean unless it is ready it could be ready

• 12:35Andrew Manganelli?

  that would be the surprise of dub dub

• 12:37Speaker 01

  they would have to say it is shipping in the developer beta today if they're going to mention it at all

• 12:43David Imel?

  do you guys want to bet on an over under how many times they say Siri bet your points

• 12:47Andrew Manganelli?

  dub dub with no Siri

• 12:49Speaker 01

  I think they'll say it once they have to say it I'm taking the over if it's one but I think it's gonna be a few they have to say Siri shortcuts right because shortcuts is a Siri shortcuts

• 12:57David Imel?

  was it called Siri shortcuts

• 12:58Speaker 01

  I think so it's just a shortcuts app but I think they're called Siri shortcuts

• 13:02David Imel?

  that's dumb

• 13:03Speaker 01

  so maybe they'll say Siri like four times

• 13:07Speaker 01

  because they don't the the thing that we're hoping happened is they learned their lesson a little bit

• 13:12David Imel?

  yeah

• 13:12Speaker 01

  and they won't go announcing a bunch of features that aren't ready and might not ship for months slash years

• 13:18David Imel?

  yeah

• 13:19Speaker 01

  But that also means that there's probably way less for them to talk about because a lot of the stuff they're working on is not ready and won't be for months slash years. So if they're gonna talk about Siri, which last time they said they're having this huge update for.

• 13:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:33Speaker 01

  It better be ready.

• 13:34David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Like.

• 13:35David Imel?

  It is funny. Apple, I think, needs to, they worry so much more about when they ship something, it working flawlessly, continuously, like, most of the time. Because all of these other AI companies, you know, they'll show a demo, and it'll work in the demo, or it doesn't work in the demo, like Google's done. And then they actually ship it, and it basically doesn't work, and it's like unusable.

• 13:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:55David Imel?

  But Apple, I don't think that they want to do that, because they're just afraid of all the bad press they're gonna get.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:00Andrew Manganelli?

  And on top of it, it sounds like, not only was it not perfect, it sounds like it wasn't even remotely close, and so messed up that they couldn't even fix it.

• 14:09David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:09Andrew Manganelli?

  So they're in a rough spot.

• 14:11David Imel?

  I feel like there was some engineer at Apple that was just so terrified to like, tell their manager that they weren't done with their project yet, and they're just like, oh, it's too late at this point.

• 14:19Speaker 01

  Your thing's in the presentation. It's good to go, right?

• 14:22David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's ready.

• 14:24David Imel?

  And then he takes a flight somewhere, and never comes back.

• 14:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, yeah. So my favorite rumor was Mark Gurman said they might be bringing live translation to AirPods, which I think Ellis has somehow created 2025. That's the year of live translation.

• 14:40David Imel?

  Again.

• 14:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Through, like, finally snapping at the end of last year.

• 14:44David Imel?

  Silicon Valley investors.

• 14:46Speaker 01

  Finally.

• 14:46David Imel?

  I did this for you.

• 14:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. So that sounds like you would be wearing AirPods. At least one person's wearing AirPods, and you speak your language, they can't understand you, but if they speak.

• 14:58Andrew Manganelli?

  If I'm wearing them, you speak to me in Spanish, it sends that to my iPhone. My iPhone translates it, and then plays it out of the iPhone, I think, is what Mark Gurman said.

• 15:08David Imel?

  By the way, if that's the case, why don't you just do it from the phone? I've always done this, where you have Google Translate, you can just speak into it in your language, it comes out in the other language, and it goes back and forth. What's the big deal with totally on the headphone?

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Totally true, but just think about, think about, you saw her, right?

• 15:24David Imel?

  No [BLEEP].

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Think about the, I've, I said this last episode. I've said this last episode.

• 15:29David Imel?

  Have you seen her, Mark?

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Yes, but the, the platonic ideal of AI live translation is humans just walk around speaking their language, and everyone understands them, and you understand everyone. So I don't want to have to have a device out, I don't want to have to, whatever, I just got this little AirPod in my ear, and boom, I have the superpower.

• 15:47Andrew Manganelli?

  But you do, because it plays. It has to play out the iPhone.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  Well, if I want to talk back.

• 15:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, I guess if, yeah, if you want to.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, so you either are both wearing AirPods, which in which is.

• 15:58David Imel?

  Which is Apple's perfect world.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  That's the Apple perfect world magic moment. Matter of fact, they might have a commercial. Or some ad where both people are wearing AirPods doing live translation to each other, speaking totally different languages and understanding each other. Cause that's what, that's the visual they want.

• 16:12David Imel?

  I hate this.

• 16:13Speaker 01

  Which is like a magic, I don't know what language you're speaking, but I understand you, the human.

• 16:17David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  They want that moment.

• 16:18David Imel?

  It's just so rare that you're going to be hearing another language where you don't need to communicate back.

• 16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 16:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is funny, and maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but this is also, this is a rumor, so I don't even know. But like you said, if the phone is out, you just speak into the phone and turn it and it speaks back. In this scenario, you speak back to me in another language into my phone and then I listen to it on a delay. But you just watch me sit there like.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I know.

• 16:43Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't hear if it's talking or know when it's done.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:45David Imel?

  Cause I don't get the audio cue that he's actually listening to it. You know what I mean?

• 16:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:50Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm just listening to Creed in my headphones while you're talking to my phone.

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Maybe one person has the AirPods with the live translation. And the other person is like, let's say I'm a, so here's the situation, this is gonna work, right?

• 17:02David Imel?

  All right.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  I'm a tourist. I go to a country that people speak a different language. I have the AirPods in.

• 17:07David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 17:07Speaker 01

  So I'm glad I have my AirPods because when I walk up to someone and go, hey, where is this street? They have no idea what I said.

• 17:16David Imel?

  Right.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Never mind. That's okay. They have something to tell me, but I don't have, I don't have anything to say to them. That's when it works. So if they walk up to me and say something and I go, I understand, and then I walk away. That's it. That's what you get. Cause I can't communicate back.

• 17:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It is me, tourist. Please ask me a question about my city.

• 17:34David Imel?

  The most magical technology can be amazing moment I ever had was when I was in like the remote mountains of Japan and the taxi driver had no idea where to take me. And I was able to just speak into my phone and it, it came out in Japanese and he spoke back in and it came out in English.

• 17:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:48David Imel?

  That helped him understand that we were having communication.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right. Yeah.

• 17:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Now you can lean over and put your AirPods in his ear.

• 17:56David Imel?

  No, the better scenario, the better scenario is you take one of your waxy earwax, earbuds out of your ear and you stick it in the stranger's ear.

• 18:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, no.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  That cannot be the ad.

• 18:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I just.

• 18:09Speaker 01

  That can't be.

• 18:09David Imel?

  I really wonder how they, because the original Pixel Buds had this, the ones with the wire.

• 18:13Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 18:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Tried to have this.

• 18:15David Imel?

  Well, yeah, but it was practically the same thing, right?

• 18:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:18David Imel?

  Unless Apple is actually able to do something special that we're, some scenario that we're not thinking of.

• 18:23Andrew Manganelli?

  I can't wait to see this. I feel like we're either missing something or this is gonna be so funny.

• 18:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the ad has to be, I have my AirPods in and also I have my phone out to read something in a different language.

• 18:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  So I go to a place, I don't, you, nobody speaks the same language as me. I say it to my phone, they hear something, they reply back, and I just hear it on my earbuds.

• 18:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 18:42Speaker 01

  And then that's how we're talking.

• 18:43David Imel?

  But that sucks.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Which is not as good, because they're not really fully seeing that I'm hearing what they're saying.

• 18:48David Imel?

  Right.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  If, I just want to say, if we get to Dub Dub and we see this commercial and at the end, little text at the bottom of the screen says, "Coming 2026," I am gonna laugh so hard.

• 18:58David Imel?

  Well, according to the OS number, it's already 2026.

• 19:01Speaker 01

  Coming iOS 2026. How about that?

• 19:03David Imel?

  Uh oh.

• 19:05Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 19:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Got them.

• 19:05David Imel?

  Got it. Okay. Some other existing app features that may be updated according to Mac rumors. Messages may get automatic translations and support for calls, which I don't really know what support for calls means, like VoIP, but you can already do that via FaceTime, so I'm not really sure. FaceTime audio, I don't know. Maybe they'll change FaceTime audio to not be called FaceTime audio, because that already is a horrible name. Music may get fullscreen animated lockscreen art.

• 19:34Speaker 01

  Cool. That's like a Android-y thing.

• 19:36David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. Apple Notes may get markdown support,

• 19:43David Imel?

  which is a lot of years in the run in here.

• 19:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Let's go.

• 19:47David Imel?

  Also, a very nice one. You may only need to log into a captive Wi-Fi portal once and all of your devices will already be logged in. So you know how when you like go on your computer and you're at a hotel Wi-Fi and it's like, enter your room key number and all that, and you have to do it on every single device you have? You have to do it on your phone or your laptop? Apparently, you only have to do it on one device.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  Would this work on airplanes where they want you to only be online with one device at a time?

• 20:12David Imel?

  I doubt it, because you wouldn't even get. I don't know. What I'm on.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  It's an airplane, you're paying.

• 20:17David Imel?

  It's account based on the airplane, though, and it knows how many devices you're on. Oh, I just figured it was all the portals. It might be, it might. I don't know. Good question. Uh, also, there is apparently going to be a lot of big Apple Home updates. So there is this rumor that there may, they may actually finally announce the Home Pad, which is sort of just, I don't know if that's actually going to be the name. With the screen? But it's, yeah, it's basically the, the Home Pod with the screen, which is their response to the Nest Hub Mini that launched a bazillion years ago. But twice the price, maybe? Yeah, but at least twice the price. I mean, but this potentially could be the robotic one that they were talking about, because remember they were working on one with a robotic arm that would like turn and move with you?

• 21:02David Imel?

  Yeah. Which would be quite cool. I just don't see them ever doing that. It, it does seem not very Apple-like to me. It's like the least Apple-like sounding product I've ever heard. They would use software. They'd be like, our continuity camera is two millimeter, has a two millimeter focal length and it just zooms in on anywhere in your home.

• 21:20Speaker 05

  Can I tell a funny Home Pad story that I realize I've never told on the podcast before?

• 21:24David Imel?

  Oh, wow, sure.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  I, um, so I have this family friend who is a home automation consultant professionally. Like you are really rich and have a giant home and want it automated throughout the entire thing. You call him and he like, we'll make sure it's set up properly for you.

• 21:38David Imel?

  That's a great job.

• 21:39Speaker 05

  And I was in his really beautiful home one time and there is this amazing, he obviously had set it up for himself too. And he had this beautiful screen in the wall and he like, it was this software that I think he had wrote himself to like control all of his own things. And what was so beautiful was that the screen was completely bezel-less. It was just like wall to, to pixel. And it had the most perfect sort of like bulge, like it was sort of like rounded and, and just barely protruding out of the wall in this like really beautiful way. And I was like, where did you find? This beautiful display.

• 22:13David Imel?

  It's an iPad.

• 22:14Speaker 05

  He was like, oh, bro, that's a second generation iPad and the battery is just swelling really bad.

• 22:20David Imel?

  Beautiful bulge.

• 22:20Speaker 05

  Oh. He's like, I just mounted it in the wall really well.

• 22:23David Imel?

  Dang.

• 22:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 22:25David Imel?

  Putting iPads in walls.

• 22:26Speaker 05

  Putting a bulging battery in your wall is.

• 22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's not very smart.

• 22:31Speaker 05

  Don't do that at home. I mean, I'm sure he had it figured out. You know, he's a really smart guy, but yeah, that was a funny. Anyway.

• 22:37David Imel?

  Yeah. 95 Mac was like, this may happen. And the only reason it may happen is that they are planning a pretty big refresh of the home system. And so they, it would be nice to have hardware that actually like runs Apple Home because they don't really have dedicated Apple Home hardware right now.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  I think Mark Gurman was pretty strong on saying he didn't think any hardware was gonna be here, but I don't even use any Apple Home stuff, but like an iMac G4 as the homepad with that like rotating arm would be the sickest thing ever.

• 23:06David Imel?

  There are a lot. Remember we used to shoot in breathers or like random studios? Like there's a lot of iPads on walls. And I feel like if they just wanted to make a dedicated product that was super premium and designed for that environment, they could do something cool. Easily, easily. Yeah. I mean, everybody has been making third-party software to basically control your Apple Home anyway. So it would be smart of them to Sherlock everybody else like they always do.

• 23:30Speaker 01

  Home OS 26.

• 23:32David Imel?

  Home OS. Also, they could just move forward a bunch of projects that are like kind of ready, just because Apple Intelligence is still not ready.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  I was gonna say, that's what most of this feels like. It feels like everyone else who's got something going on, we're shipping it this year.

• 23:44Speaker 05

  Can we ship it?

• 23:45Speaker 01

  Because the AI thing isn't here yet.

• 23:47David Imel?

  Can we move that up by six months, please?

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, yeah. No, we'll see. This is gonna be next week. So if you're listening to this on Friday, literally in a three-day span, we'll be listening to them on stage on Monday, hearing what they have to say.

• 23:58David Imel?

  Which is crazy.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  It's happening quick.

• 24:00David Imel?

  And then the last thing, we talked about it last week, but just the dedicated Apple gaming app that replaces the Game Center.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Games.

• 24:07David Imel?

  Games.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  You got games on your phone?

• 24:09David Imel?

  I got games on my phone. The lotro. Not gambling.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  Well, speaking of games, we have.

• 24:14Speaker 05

  Certified by who?

• 24:15David Imel?

  Certified by me.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  We have some gaming stuff to talk about. Well, here at Creek.

• 24:20David Imel?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  We got some gaming stuff to talk about pretty soon. Does that creak?

• 24:24David Imel?

  Not at all.

• 24:25Speaker 01

  See, there's none of this.

• 24:25David Imel?

  I mean, that's, that's eight years old.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  We got a lot more to talk about there. Uh, so we're gonna do that after the break, but first.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Trivia.

• 24:37David Imel?

  Ooh, it's quieter.

• 24:38Andrew Manganelli?

  That sounds very quiet.

• 24:40David Imel?

  It looks like there was a delay too between hitting it and...

• 24:43Speaker 05

  Wow, guys, just tell me what else I did wrong.

• 24:46David Imel?

  I think that your brand new system is kinda trash.

• 24:49Speaker 01

  It might be off key.

• 24:50Speaker 05

  The people watching the video podcast may have, with an eagle eye, noticed that a few things are different on the producer table. We have switched off of the Rodecaster.

• 25:01David Imel?

  Switch?

• 25:02Speaker 01

  Nintendo Switch 2.

• 25:04Speaker 05

  And we are now controlling the lights with a stream deck. So yes, you may see a few kinks that need to get ironed out over the next few days. But so far, I'm pretty stoked. I can do this now? I could do it before, but...

• 25:15David Imel?

  There was a delay.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  One quick question. Speaking of kinks that need to be ironed out, this is a question that I was asked in a group setting last weekend, and I now need to ask all of you. Do you own an iron? Raise your hand if you do.

• 25:29Andrew Manganelli?

  What? Wow, that felt like your exact...

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Now, raise your hand if you use it regularly.

• 25:34Andrew Manganelli?

  What do you consider regularly?

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Every week.

• 25:36David Imel?

  You all own irons?

• 25:38Speaker 05

  No, I don't use it every week.

• 25:39Andrew Manganelli?

  I use it every time I wear like a dress shirt.

• 25:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, there are shirts I won't wear without ironing.

• 25:43David Imel?

  Okay, question. Do you own a shower?

• 25:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I know where you're getting, but that's a far less efficient way.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  My answer, by the way, was no. I don't use an iron ever. I have a steamer. Anytime I need something that I was gonna iron, I have a steamer for that.

• 25:55Speaker 05

  The steamer for most stuff is easier, but there are a few things you can't get done with a steamer.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  I probably don't own those things.

• 26:01Andrew Manganelli?

  What, like the collar on a collared shirt?

• 26:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Steamer's kinda tough to like get that.

• 26:05Speaker 05

  Or pleated pants are often better.

• 26:09David Imel?

  Well, I just put it in the shower.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  Anyway, sorry to distract. Sorry to distract. That was just a random topic question.

• 26:13Andrew Manganelli?

  David just wastes 50 gallons of water to steam his shirt.

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Trivia, yes.

• 26:19David Imel?

  Yeah, or I could make one AI career. He would waste the same amount.

• 26:22Speaker 05

  Exactly. Guys, it is obviously the day of Switch 2.

• 26:27David Imel?

  That's right.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  And I wanted to ask a trivia question about my favorite thing Nintendo has ever made, which is the Me. I think the Me is a genius idea. I think every part of every piece of Me software ever released has been perfect.

• 26:43David Imel?

  Me software? Metopia?

• 26:45Speaker 05

  Metopia. All the Japanese ones, I can't remember the name of. The OG Me Creator, the Street Pass?

• 26:53David Imel?

  Street Pass.

• 26:54Speaker 05

  Street Pass. I think, I just think Me's are terrific. Anyway, so...

• 26:59David Imel?

  Our guest is like, what is a Me?

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Talking about the Nintendo.

• 27:02David Imel?

  It came out on the Wii.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  It's a portmanteau of Wii and me.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Okay, I, yeah.

• 27:08David Imel?

  That's right. And you can play as the me swordfighter or the me archer on Super Smash Bros. Ultimate.

• 27:14Speaker 05

  This is true. This is true. Everyone, but especially Marquez.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Marquez, you're not getting any of this.

• 27:22Speaker 05

  Starting in 2007, Nintendo would occasionally release what they called special me's. These were famous Japanese entertainers and celebrities, as well as the occasional Nintendo executive. And these me's were not editable. You would get them on your console and they would just live on your console. Other than being uneditable, what visually made a special me distinct from a normal me?

• 27:49David Imel?

  They were ungovernable, too.

• 27:54Speaker 05

  It's like when you hit the button on the Wii to make them all like stand in formation, the one of them would just like go through.

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Wow, I, I know almost nothing about these. Other than if you like swung your arm back in bowling and looked back, they would all jump in.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:10Speaker 05

  Do you know about the other Wii bowling little Easter egg? So there was like a practice, like I loved Wii bowling. It was like, but yes, there's like a practice mode where you would start with like a 10-pin thing and move up to a 100-pin thing, right? On the 100-pin go, go around.

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:28Speaker 05

  If you moved all the way to the side through your ball and got the ball to ride on the rail. There were no gutters, there were rails. And if you got it to ride on the rail all the way to the end, like you'd hear a muffled explosion sound and all 100 pins would knock down.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  What? I got that. I think I did that because my friend, my friend had Nintendo Wii and I didn't. So anytime I went over to his house, it was like, we gotta do the bowling thing. We gotta do the golf thing. Yeah, I spent a lot of time in Wii Sports.

• 28:57David Imel?

  Wii was amazing.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Good times.

• 28:59David Imel?

  Generational.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Well, we'll think about that. Answers will be at the end of the podcast like usual. We'll be right back.

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• 30:47Speaker 01

  All right, welcome back. I'm holding a switch too. Ideally, you've already seen our unboxing by the time you're watching this pod or listening to this pod.

• 30:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Is it ideally because you're not sure if you've gotten the edit done yet? Or ideally because maybe they haven't watched it and they're listening to this?

• 31:04Speaker 01

  A little bit of both.

• 31:05Andrew Manganelli?

  We're pretty unsure about when that's actually-

• 31:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna try. Anyway, but yeah, we have it now. It's out the box, it's here in the studio. We get to do whatever we want. It's not tethered to something and you can only play like one game on repeat. We can actually jump around the settings and compare them. To our other switches, which is, I have my Switch 1, which was colorwared. I've had this forever. You've had a Switch OLED.

• 31:24David Imel?

  OLED.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  And so you're curious if we'd notice more differences there.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, we can just jump right in. So if you watch that impressions video, there are some things that we noted. My main two things about the Switch 2, it's just bigger and it's, it's more comfortable because it's bigger. The Joy-Cons are bigger, the buttons are bigger, the screen is bigger. The battery is also bigger, but probably doesn't last much longer. But the whole thing is just bigger, which is nice.

• 31:50David Imel?

  You have much bigger hands than me.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I think people will all generally like the bigger Joy-Cons and bigger buttons.

• 31:55David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 31:56Speaker 01

  Is that?

• 31:56David Imel?

  When I, when I hold that,

• 31:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:58David Imel?

  I feel like this is a better size to just hold. Like, that feels very large.

• 32:02Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 32:03David Imel?

  When I just hold that. The Joy-Cons are great, are better when you're like using them sideways, but

• 32:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:08David Imel?

  It is pretty big.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then I guess my slightly more nuanced take is like in the same thing as the world of smartphones.

• 32:16David Imel?

  Hmm.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Where people, uh, in our world will have a lot more to say about the fidelity and the sharpness and the contrast ratio and the pitch black blacks of the OLED.

• 32:26David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  I think a regular person just sees bigger, brighter, higher refresh rate, and that looks better.

• 32:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:32Speaker 01

  And so if you are in the more nuanced crowd, I think the Switch 2 OLED that eventually comes out will speak to you more.

• 32:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Um, but for most people, I think just this being bigger is, it just feels like an upgrade.

• 32:45David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 01

  To all of the switches that came before it.

• 32:47David Imel?

  It feels a lot like a Steam Deck, to be honest.

• 32:49Speaker 01

  It's

• 32:49David Imel?

  That size, yeah.

• 32:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Size-wise, I almost wonder if they were like, oh, well, we can make it bigger because look at how well the Steam Deck did.

• 32:55David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm sure there were, it was probably well into development by then, but.

• 33:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, fair. And also just like, how do we make this console where we've kind of nailed the form factor of it already different than the Switch before? So like, bigger is the most obvious.

• 33:10David Imel?

  Yeah. We did this off the pod, but Marquez, can we compare the unlocking sounds?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna do a magnet sound.

• 33:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I just wanna feel the magnet so bad. That's all I care about.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  So you unlock the Switch OLED?

• 33:20David Imel?

  Yeah, this is gonna be Switch OLED, right?

• 33:26Speaker 01

  It's pretty iconic.

• 33:26David Imel?

  So good.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  Now here's a Switch 2.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  No.

• 33:35David Imel?

  What the heck is that?

• 33:36Speaker 01

  It's so wet.

• 33:37David Imel?

  It's so like staccato.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  No, it's goopy.

• 33:41David Imel?

  It's cleaner.

• 33:41Speaker 01

  It's like goopy and wet and resonant.

• 33:43David Imel?

  It's like, but it shouldn't be clean. It should be like.

• 33:46Speaker 01

  Wait, on the home screen, flipping between apps, what does that sound on yours?

• 33:52Speaker 01

  A little high pitched. This is the Switch 2.

• 33:56David Imel?

  What the heck is that?

• 33:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I think I like that. That almost sounds more like the unlocking of that.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yes, click here.

• 34:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Switch ASMR.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  The thing that really matters, okay, the thing that really matters. Remove and reattach a Joy-Con.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Whoa! Was that from the speaker? That's from the speaker. Oh, I didn't realize that had a sound.

• 34:23Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's really good.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  Oh, because your screen is on probably. Okay, hold on, let me see. Let me do the same thing on the Switch 2 now with the magnet. Yeah, it doesn't. Ooh.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  That was kinda nice. I like the like.

• 34:38Speaker 01

  Sorry, sorry. I messed it up.

• 34:42David Imel?

  I like the momentum that that sound had. Can you do it one more time?

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and there's a, there's a little, just watch the display as well.

• 34:50David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, there's an animation, yeah.

• 34:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, it like, and I bet, and the right side's orange. I'm assuming the left side's blue because of the Joy-Cons are orange or blue. That's kinda nice.

• 35:02David Imel?

  And it kinda mirrors the, the sounds, the sound mirrors the sound of taking it off because it's like, push the button, pull it out, click. And it's like. It's nice, yeah.

• 35:13Andrew Manganelli?

  I also think the, despite that sounding really good, David, from the OG Switch, the process of that is like the worst ever. I hate sliding it on.

• 35:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 01

  This has a little animation.

• 35:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I want to try this so bad. I just want to try the magnets.

• 35:29David Imel?

  This is Andrew. This is your first time actually holding it.

• 35:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I watched you unbox it, but I tried not to like really hold it.

• 35:35David Imel?

  So this is someone who's seen the videos, but is now holding a Switch, Jim.

• 35:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 35:38David Imel?

  Yeah. So there's definitely going to be a much, much, much, much, much bigger difference between Switch 1 and Switch 2.

• 35:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 35:45David Imel?

  There had been rumors that the Switch OLED was originally going to be like a Switch Pro or a Switch, some sort of Switch Pro, but they like couldn't get a Nvidia part in time or something. So they ended up just keeping the same internals, but changing it slightly.

• 35:59Speaker 01

  That is funny branding because only like enthusiasts are going to care deeply about.

• 36:05David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  OLED display.

• 36:06David Imel?

  Yeah. Funny enough, all three of these switches have very different kickstands. So the original Switch has a horrible kickstand, which is just like a tiny little nub.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  It's bad.

• 36:16David Imel?

  That comes out the back.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:18David Imel?

  That breaks off really easily.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't like it at all.

• 36:21David Imel?

  Um, wow, yeah, it's horrible.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:23David Imel?

  They made the Switch OLEDs way better. It's a big piece of metal and it like swivels really far back, kind of like a Surface Pro.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:29David Imel?

  And allows you to do it at like all different angles. With the Switch 2, they sort of did a in-between where they still have the angled kickstand, but it is now sort of like hollow.

• 36:42Speaker 01

  It's full width, but it's, uh, here, I'll hold it up.

• 36:44David Imel?

  Also, is that plastic or metal?

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Metal.

• 36:47David Imel?

  It is metal?

• 36:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:48David Imel?

  Okay, this is also metal. This is obviously much like wider and thicker and fuller, so I'm.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Probably more sturdy.

• 36:54David Imel?

  So I'm wondering if the OLED's more sturdy. I don't know.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, the Joy-Cons are so good.

• 36:59David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 36:59Andrew Manganelli?

  This magnet aspect is just such, and it's so interesting that it literally is just magnets and then like one little physical lever that basically is physically pushing it away.

• 37:09David Imel?

  Yep.

• 37:10Andrew Manganelli?

  But it snaps in so nice. What do we call this thing?

• 37:12David Imel?

  The grip.

• 37:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the like, the grip to make two Joy-Cons into a singular controller.

• 37:17David Imel?

  It sucked on the first one.

• 37:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It was so bad and this is so nice. And this mouse?

• 37:22David Imel?

  Yeah, the mouse mode.

• 37:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Is actually. Kinda nice.

• 37:25David Imel?

  Does it give you hand pain? A lot of people are talking about.

• 37:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, I mean, I haven't used it long enough.

• 37:30David Imel?

  Very long, yeah.

• 37:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It's pretty good, though.

• 37:31David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:32Andrew Manganelli?

  But like.

• 37:33David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:34Andrew Manganelli?

  I love these mag- these magnets are the best part about.

• 37:37David Imel?

  The Switch 2.

• 37:37Andrew Manganelli?

  The Switch 2.

• 37:37David Imel?

  Remember when we got all excited because we were thinking that the button like reversed the polarity?

• 37:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  It turned out, though, this is like a very elegant solution. Like, it's just the perfect strength magnet and just the exact far enough push off of the switch that it will separate.

• 37:52David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  Which I'm sure took a lot of development time, but ends up feeling really satisfying to attach and detach.

• 37:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 37:59Speaker 01

  And then, yeah, I honestly think that's the two hugest things, no pun intended, about the Switch 2 upgrade are the way bigger display and the Joy-Cons just being awesome.

• 38:07David Imel?

  I will say, these bezels are way bigger than I thought they would be on the left and right side.

• 38:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're still pretty big. I don't mind as much. I kinda feel like they're leaving room for, are the OLED bezels smaller?

• 38:21David Imel?

  Uh, yeah. It's got a bigger outer bezel, but a smaller sub bezel by a lot.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I'm thinking the Switch 2 OLED is gonna be pretty sick.

• 38:32David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  And expensive.

• 38:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I like how this has gotten from, since we first talked about Switch 2, like, they will probably make a Switch OLED and then like throughout this day of having it, you're basically like, when the Switch 2 OLED comes out in 2027.

• 38:44Speaker 01

  The, I mean, the Switch 2 OLED is way contrastier, way better viewing angles.

• 38:49David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  It looks, sorry, yeah, Switch OLED, it looks way better.

• 38:52David Imel?

  It kinda looks better.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Fidelity-wise, it's just smaller.

• 38:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Much better.

• 38:55David Imel?

  Yeah, it does.

• 38:56Speaker 01

  So I feel like there's no doubt they gotta do an OLED version of the Switch 2. But the other thing, though, is, uh, what was I about to say? The Switch 2 OLED.

• 39:06David Imel?

  Like, I'm not gonna cancel my preorder?

• 39:07Speaker 01

  Oh, that's for the price.

• 39:09David Imel?

  But, yeah.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  The price, uh, $449 for the Switch, which means an OLED version is gonna be even more.

• 39:15David Imel?

  That is...

• 39:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Gamers can afford this.

• 39:18David Imel?

  True.

• 39:19Andrew Manganelli?

  If you're a gamer, you cannot afford this. I'm sorry.

• 39:22David Imel?

  To be clear, I was talking about like a gaming chair or something, but yeah, that's a, yeah. And then you gotta buy the, you gotta buy the Micro SD Express cards. But look at these speakers, they're very large.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Speakers are big and nice and loud. And the second, that's the first thing I noticed when I started playing with it is, oh, these speakers are quite loud.

• 39:38David Imel?

  Yeah. So they announced a bunch of updates. I think even today, they announced additional updates and they showed some reporters new games, the updated version of the new games. And apparently the newer Pokemon games, Scarlet and Violet, run like exceptionally better on Switch 2. And apparently they don't lag like at all. It's like a stable 60 the whole time.

• 39:57Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 39:57David Imel?

  Which, you know, kinda probably should have been the norm, but here we are.

• 40:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. There are a bunch of things, a bunch of games I want to run and test for a full review. The other interesting headline that we saw, remember, um, there is a built-in screen protector on the Switch 2.

• 40:12David Imel?

  Right.

• 40:13Speaker 01

  And if you look right on the very corner, you can actually kinda see it. It's not as bad as like, I was having flashbacks to the original Galaxy Fold, which is like, it's, it looks like someone installed one in the store after you bought it. And it's like, I should just peel this off.

• 40:26David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 40:26Speaker 01

  Uh, it's not that bad. So it is a pre-installed screen protector and you're, you're apparently not supposed to remove it. So I did, I removed it. I'm just kidding. Don't remove it. We left it on. If you want to install a screen protector over the top, you would literally install it over the top of this.

• 40:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. I would never know there's a screen protector on that if you didn't tell me. It is really close to the edge. The, the article I read said that the instruction manual says not to open it because it will prevent glass shattering in, from going all over the place, like, which to me just feels like.

• 40:59David Imel?

  Yo, it's a Cybertruck.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  It's a laminate layer.

• 41:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels like, yeah, it's like a windshield, but like, also, I mean, that's nice that glass shards wouldn't go anywhere if I broke it, but like, I'm probably more upset that my screen is broken.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Than.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  It's broken.

• 41:13Andrew Manganelli?

  That it's not broken on the floor now.

• 41:15David Imel?

  Yeah, that's a pretty big bezel though, is it not?

• 41:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It's a big bezel.

• 41:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:20David Imel?

  Bigger than I thought it would be.

• 41:21Speaker 01

  It's a bigger screen and a bigger body and everything is bigger. The thickness, the z-axis thickness is the only thing that's roughly the same as the previous switches. Otherwise, you just feel like you're holding like a switch that's so and just like stretched.

• 41:34David Imel?

  Right.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  In every other dimension.

• 41:35David Imel?

  Interesting.

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:37David Imel?

  Yeah, I'm pretty excited to be able to use these Joy-Cons and not have my hands cramp like crazy, especially because I'm now thirty and have pain everywhere.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  That's when it starts.

• 41:46David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:47David Imel?

  So, but these are made of, what, steel?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  The buttons, so the, the, yeah.

• 41:52David Imel?

  Didn't see that.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  The buttons on the left and right in the inside of the Joy-Cons are steel because the magnets inside the switch are magnetizing to the steel.

• 42:02David Imel?

  They're so much bigger, like, look at this.

• 42:04Andrew Manganelli?

  It's so much better than the old.

• 42:05David Imel?

  I don't know if you can zoom in on this, Adam, but like, here's Switch OLED buttons and here's Switch 2 buttons. Look at the size difference.

• 42:12Andrew Manganelli?

  The old Joy-Cons, the-

• 42:13David Imel?

  Keep it closer to you. Closer to me, because it's in focus.

• 42:16Andrew Manganelli?

  The old Joy-Con, the bumper you would put on with the wrist strap would give you a bigger button that would, it was literally just a piece of plastic that pushed down on the really small button.

• 42:25David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:26Andrew Manganelli?

  These new bumpers now-

• 42:27David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Are just even out the, I'm putting the wrong one on, just even out, you know, the top part of it and gives you some feat for the mouse features, but you're still using the buttons because they're actually good buttons.

• 42:40David Imel?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 42:41Andrew Manganelli?

  The SR and SL.

• 42:42David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:43David Imel?

  It has this nice matte finish too, that's like a sprayed matte.

• 42:47Speaker 01

  So I'm curious how long that's going to last. My Colorware Switch one, I also have matte paint on it and, uh, let me just say, it's a choice. Whenever I get something Colorware, I have to think about how it's going to wear.

• 43:01David Imel?

  Right.

• 43:01Speaker 01

  And if you, if I use my Switch a lot more, it would be more obvious, but there's like shiny spots. Same thing on a laptop with like a matte keyboard, like you get shiny spots. So we'll see how this ages. It's obviously currently pristine condition.

• 43:13David Imel?

  Yeah, I'm not very careful with my Switch OLED. See, it sounds just me. I'm not very careful with my Switch OLED and it's definitely got a lot of scars and like scuffs all over it, so, yeah. We'll see how it goes. But um, yeah, very exciting. I'm, I'm pretty excited to replay Breath of the Wild because I never actually finished it. I just got close to finishing it, but I didn't want to finish it because I didn't want to have to start over. And then uh, I did never, I never played Tears of the Kingdom, so I want to play that as well.

• 43:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I am currently still stuck in a temple in Breath of the Wild. It like glitched in a weird way that like I can't revert out or get out of it. I'm just like completely stuck. So I have to just start completely over.

• 43:48David Imel?

  Well, maybe the Switch 2 update will fix that bug.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, turn on the Switch 2, it'll like find you a way out or something. Sick update.

• 43:55David Imel?

  The big questions I'm going to have are battery life.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 43:58David Imel?

  How is battery life? It's gonna be a big question. Uh, also, I would like to know how Mario Kart World is? Because I was told by many people that this game, I have a lot of friends who have played this already. And they've said that this game is like much bigger than just racing around in Mario Kart. It is like, the open world aspect is actually, there's something to it there.

• 44:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Here's, I heard this about the open world part that sounds like kind of a bummer, but you still have, you still get the same uh, like slowness on non-tracks, which in free roam, sounds like such a pain in the neck. Like in your race, when you go off the track on the grass, you go slower because you're racing. But if you have, I saw that you get the same slowness when you're like wandering around, which when you're doing that, you're only not on the track. So you're just driving slower.

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Maybe when you're not like in a race, it would tear in that off?

• 44:50Andrew Manganelli?

  That's what I, I heard it was in the free roam.

• 44:52David Imel?

  I'll try. Also Nintendo.

• 44:54Andrew Manganelli?

  What?

• 44:55David Imel?

  The crab?

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Sidestopper?

• 44:57David Imel?

  Nintendo, please make an update for Super Smash Bros. Ultimate on Switch 2, because I don't think they've announced that yet. And that's crazy.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  There's a lot of, there's a lot of Mario games.

• 45:07David Imel?

  Well, that's not a Mario game. I mean, it's kind of a.

• 45:11David Imel?

  It's coming with the, yeah, yeah. Considering it's gonna be another eight years until Switch. How long was it between Switch 2 and, or Switch 1 and Switch 2?

• 45:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I think you're right. I think it's eight years.

• 45:21David Imel?

  It's been eight years since the original one.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  OLED release date. I think that was only like three years ago. Oh, 2021.

• 45:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Four years.

• 45:30Speaker 04

  Side note, I've been getting into Forza lately and Ellis had to explain to me the difference between the games and your whole Super Mario thing going off-road and being slower. That's kind of how it also works in Forza, in like Horizon Worlds.

• 45:45Speaker 01

  So in Forza, you can also go off the road?

• 45:47Speaker 04

  You can like drive off the road and then you're just like going slower.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, but is there like a free roam area?

• 45:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, like the Horizon world. So I just learned this like two days ago. Ellis had to explain this all to me, but there's like a free roam part of the game and when you drive off-road, it's just slower.

• 46:01Andrew Manganelli?

  It's also a crazy realistic game and this is an Italian plumber driving a go-kart.

• 46:06Speaker 04

  Which makes it better.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Which is realistic.

• 46:09David Imel?

  This was the conversation we were having in the car. Forza Motorsport is a fairly realistic game.

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:14David Imel?

  I would argue Horizon is like one step above Mario Kart as far as realism goes. Like there may as well be a drift button.

• 46:22Andrew Manganelli?

  You can be Poki as a character. I didn't even know that was its name, but the like the tall guys from the desert levels in Super Mario, Mario 64.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  You guys ever play two different racing games in the same day with drastically different levels of realism? I don't really like racing games. So no. Anybody, just me?

• 46:42Andrew Manganelli?

  What are the two?

• 46:43Speaker 01

  So if you go from like Forza to Need for Speed or back to Forza, like you play on Forza and you get like one tire on the gravel and you're like, you feel it in the controller and you're like, no, I gotta get back on my line. And it's like, it infects your speed. And then you do Need for Speed.

• 46:58Speaker 01

  Just driving the straight line. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it's a, it's a really funny dichotomy, but anyway. Yeah, Switch 2. We will, I'll be testing this. I'll be gaming. I'm on a couple of flights soon. Big flight to, to Europe. Maybe I'll have a just a Switch 2. Yeah, the whole thing.

• 47:14David Imel?

  You're going to the whole of Europe?

• 47:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:16David Imel?

  You're going to Europe?

• 47:17Speaker 01

  No, just kidding. But the, the whole flight.

• 47:19David Imel?

  European tour, baby.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  Hopefully it can last the entire flight. It probably won't though.

• 47:21David Imel?

  It probably won't. That's, that's what I'm most nervous about because I use the Switch 2 mostly not in docked mode.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:27David Imel?

  So it's going to be interesting. I, I've been playing Majora's Mask on my OLED, which is a Nintendo 64 online thing. And it's fine. It doesn't lag. So if this is not significantly, you know, if the battery life on this is significantly worse, I don't know.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:43Andrew Manganelli?

  There are a lot of characters in Mario Kart World. A lot of them you have to unlock.

• 47:47David Imel?

  Yeah, there's eight billion.

• 47:49Andrew Manganelli?

  There are.

• 47:49David Imel?

  That's why it's called World.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:52David Imel?

  Nice.

• 47:53Andrew Manganelli?

  There are a lot of them, and a lot of them are just like, kind of, you can be like, the Penguin.

• 47:59David Imel?

  Hell, yeah.

• 48:00Speaker 05

  The Penguin from what?

• 48:00David Imel?

  They added the cow.

• 48:01Andrew Manganelli?

  The Penguin that you race at, like, you lose against it in Mario 64.

• 48:06David Imel?

  64, yeah.

• 48:07Speaker 05

  Oh, I wasn't born yet.

• 48:10Andrew Manganelli?

  You weren't born in 64?

• 48:11David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 48:12Andrew Manganelli?

  It's year-based.

• 48:13David Imel?

  Yeah, it's just like the OS versions. That would be wild. Yeah.

• 48:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Alright, before I just literally start playing this game, instead of talking, do you want to talk about the Fediverse?

• 48:24David Imel?

  Oh, yeah. Okay, I forgot. Do you? Do I, indeed, okay. We got a little Fediverse corner for you guys today. It's exciting. If you didn't hear, which you probably didn't, because it's really niche, Fediform happened.

• 48:38Speaker 04

  What?

• 48:39David Imel?

  Yeah, Fediform.

• 48:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Without me? The Fedora Con?

• 48:41David Imel?

  No, Fediform. No, Feddy. Fediverse Forum. So much cheese. It's an online conference that has happened. When we did our Fediverse episode, which you should go back and watch if you did not watch it back when we released it, we talked a little bit about something called Bridgyfed, which was this little project by a guy named Ryan Barrett. And the whole point of Bridgyfed was being able to bridge an account from one platform to another, where they did not support the same protocol. So a few months ago, Bridgyfed expanded and turned into this project called A New Social, which is sort of this extension of Bridgyfed, but they're getting more funding, they're getting more people and community involvement,

• 49:21David Imel?

  to try to actually be able to, you know, bridge accounts between social media platforms with non-native protocols, so that people never have to be tied to any social media platform, okay? So, at Fediform, they... Come on, guys, it's cool, I promise! It's a great name. Fediform. They announced a new feature called Bounce, and the idea of Bounce is this platform that allows you to jump, bounce between one network to another. So, the demo that they showed off was from, basically if you have a Blue Sky account, and you decide you want to make a Mastodon account, and... Basically not have to like, you know, just start from scratch, move all your followers.

• 50:04David Imel?

  The problem with this, obviously, is because like, the dream of Blue Sky or the dream of Activity Pub is when you're moving to a different platform, it uses the same protocol. But because Blue Sky and Mastodon did not use the same protocol, this bounce feature effectively creates a Mastodon account for you, based on your Blue Sky account. But it creates it within this like, area in between, that feeds information between the two. So, when you are, when you have a Blue Sky account and you create the Mastodon account,

• 50:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:36David Imel?

  All of your followers, sort of stay on Blue Sky.

• 50:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:41David Imel?

  You know, they're all following you. But you automatically like, follow all the same people with bridged accounts on Mastodon. Right now, they're still in very early stages, obviously. And the demos that they're showing off are like, kind of useful, they're really useful. If other people have bridged accounts, if you can get all of your friends to bridge their accounts, then it's amazing, but that's obviously not very possible right now.

• 51:02Speaker 04

  Hard.

• 51:03David Imel?

  Uh, so it was just a little exciting demo that they showed me that kind of like, shows the future of the Fediverse, which I think was cool. And I just wanted to call that out, because we're on Team Fediverse over here.

• 51:14Speaker 04

  I can't even get Ellis on Blue Sky.

• 51:16David Imel?

  I am on Blue Sky. I'm literally on Blue Sky. Right now, I'm Blue Skying right now. No, I'm not on Blue Sky, I'm at work right now, but... That's true. Anyway, that probably didn't make a lot of sense, but I hope that they succeed. It's still the one I wanted to say. I think we should take it to trivia.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  I think we should, "Bridge to Trivia."

• 51:35David Imel?

  Ohhh. Another word for a segue is a, "Bridge." Take it to the bridge. Take it to the bridge. So... Yeah. Yeah.

• 51:46Speaker 04

  I'm just gonna hold it like this, why not? There are no rules anymore.

• 51:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that an extra bike port on the back of that mix?

• 51:51David Imel?

  Don't worry about it. So... No, it's not happening, it's not happening.

• 51:56Speaker 04

  What was the first Super Mario game where Mario would take a nap when the player was idle? Was it A, Super Mario Odyssey? B, Super Mario 64? C, Super Mario World? Or D, Super Mario Kart? Marquez, you're welcome for the multiple choice. You have 25% chance.

• 52:17David Imel?

  It's literally exactly 25% chance, because I'm gonna throw a dart at a board and it's just gonna hit one of them and that's what I'm gonna pick.

• 52:23Speaker 04

  And then the story would be great.

• 52:25David Imel?

  Remember when I was like, "There's a 25% chance?" And you're like, "Why?" And I was like, "'Cause there's four options."

• 52:33Speaker 01

  Well, we'll think about this one. Answers at the end. We'll be right back.

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• 54:39Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, welcome back. I asked all of you to do me a favor because we had a sub, a post on our subreddit who someone made an infographic of just the chronological list of all of the phones they have ever owned, period. And there were like 100 plus comments of people just listing all of their phones. So I asked all of us to list our phones chronologically and we're going to go through them and I guess rate them or you guys can tell us how stupid we are by the phones that we've had or ask questions about specific ones, but

• 55:12Speaker 05

  Own it if it was an absolute banger.

• 55:16Speaker 05

  Come on. I Wait, I have a question before we start, which is what are we gonna do about this guy to my left? Who literally switches phones every six days?

• 55:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I asked everybody to pick

• 55:30Speaker 05

  You are worse than him.

• 55:33Andrew Manganelli?

  I asked everyone to pick the phone that they used the most for that year. So yeah, one phone per year max.

• 55:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, okay, pro max.

• 55:41Andrew Manganelli?

  But yes, because between Adam, Marquez and David, we would be here for three hours.

• 55:46Speaker 05

  Name all the

• 55:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, you like phones?

• 55:52Speaker 05

  I think I changed phones every week for like five years. So yeah, yeah.

• 55:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I have a feeling Alison and I have the smallest lists.

• 55:59Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. You want to start? Sure. I mean, do you want me to start? I feel like I have kind of the most boring one. Ellis was born with an iPhone 13 mini in his hand.

• 56:08Speaker 05

  And then I downgraded to 12 mini. No, okay. Gentlemen. My first phone is something is a phone I loved so, so dearly. I saved up. I think I've told the story before. Yeah, I, my parents did not want me to have a cellphone. So I saved up for like years and it in the beginning of eighth grade, I finally had enough money for the phone and for a year of service.

• 56:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Commit crimes?

• 56:34Speaker 05

  Do it. Don't know if it's a crime, but maybe it was. Who knows? It was a Samsung Intercept. It was specifically the Virgin Mobile version of the Samsung Intercept, which did not support EVDO Revision Zero, which is, uh, means it was slower than the Sprint one. It had a, I believe, a three-megapixel camera, which was perfect because the screen was only 240 by 400 pixels. And I believe it ran Android 2. Android. I had that for a few years and then in 10th grade, no, a few years later, I dropped it so many times that the slide-out keyboard hinge stopped working. Nice. So that's when I switched to the Kyocera Rise,

• 57:18Speaker 05

  another phone I loved to death. Amazing. I was a slide-out keyboard person. Like, that was the only thing I needed on my phones was a slide-out keyboard. Kyocera Rise had pretty similar specs. I don't think it's even worth going through them, but it did, I think by the time I left that, I was running Android 4. So I was a real trailblazer, played a lot of Pokemon in trigonometry class. I'm sorry, Mr. True.

• 57:41Speaker 05

  And then after that, I began my journey on the iPhone, starting with the iPhone 4S. And we all know about these phones. So instead of talking about them, I'm going to tell you the, back, I was, I was a real music guy. I still am, but like in my teenage years, it was like my whole personality. And so my iPhone 4S, my first iPhone, had a Flying Lotus case on it with the art, the, um, the art for his album Cosmogramma. Oh, my goodness. Then I had a iPhone 5 with an Earl Sweatshirt phone case that I loved super dearly. Then I moved to an iPhone 8, which, uh, no one in here knows what this is, but there's a plugin called Ontaris Autotune.

• 58:24Speaker 05

  Uh, and I took the, the, the picture for that plugin and then slapped that on a Redbubble phone case. So I had an autotune phone. That was also the only phone I ever bought refurbished. And it did not last a year before literally bricking itself. It lasted about nine months before it was bricked. And I have not bought a refurbished electronics since then, which I know is an outdated and bad opinion. But after spending $600 on an iPhone with no warranty, that was a brick. I was like, all right, well, that was stupid of me. After that, jumped a few years ahead, got the XS, which I always called the XS because it was in gold. And I had the idea of having a gold phone that had the word XS in it. It was really funny. Definitely. A lot of reviews did that too.

• 59:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, I thought that phone was fantastic. And I thought the camera in it was my favorite iPhone camera I've ever had. On which I know it's like, not as good as my 12 mini's camera. I think the seven camera on the iPhone, the iPhone seven. It was just so good. Then I, I went to, I think I told the story in the pod, so I'll make it really quick. But iPhone XS, loving that thing, was living in Philly. There was a hurricane scheduled to come through. And my friends and I all had the great idea to drive two hours to a theme park called Dorney Park, which is in Pennsylvania. And we called Dorney Park and we were like, you guys open? They were like, we're open, but the first lightning strike or thunder, the whole park is closed. And like, you're not getting a refund. And so we were like, bet, let's try. Why would you do?

• 59:51Speaker 05

  So we drove two hours, we get there, the park's still open. It's pouring rain, no, no thunder, no lightning. We spent the whole day at amusement park with literally being the only people there. Like, it was the kind of thing where like, you'd finish a roller coaster, there'd be no one in line and you could just be like, again.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  But because it was pouring rain all day, every ride was a water ride, regardless of whether water was involved. And so that phone, the iPhone XS, did not survive. Oh, really? Did not survive, which was funny because that's when I went on my Boost Mobile Payne arc, where it was this like completely brutal few weeks where I, my bank locked me out of my accounts and needed me to confirm my identity, which you could only do on your phone. And I didn't have a phone because it was broken and I couldn't buy a new phone. Because I didn't have access to my bank accounts. And also Boost Mobile only let you buy phones with the credit card already associated with your account.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  So I couldn't start a new card or like ask my parents to help me out and what they're like. So for like a month and a half, like six weeks, I had no money and no phone. And was just like trying to figure out how to go. Eventually I took the SIM card out of the XS and put it back in the Kyocera Rise. Because 3G towers were still operational at that point. And so I was rocking the Kyocera Rise for like the last like three weeks of that experiment and freaking loved it. It was like my first dumb phone foray. And even though it was running Android four, I keep this thing on my keys. That is a, it's a, it's a dummy 3.5 millimeter plug.

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  So that if you have like a dongle, like a splitter dongle or any kind of dongle, you can just plug it into there. And it like stays on your keys and stuff. But the Kyocera Rise was so light that you could just plug the phone's headphone jack into this and wear the phone on your belt. Like an accessory.

• 1:01:49David Imel?

  That sounds dangerous. That sounds like you're never gonna find that phone.

• 1:01:52Speaker 05

  Then I eventually got the 12, the famous purple 12 mini, which I now split my time between the 12 mini.

• 1:01:59David Imel?

  We see the Kyocera Rise until the iPhone 12 mini?

• 1:02:02Speaker 05

  Well, no, there were lots of phones between those, but then I came back to the Kyocera Rise because I had no money and no phone.

• 1:02:08David Imel?

  Nice.

• 1:02:08Speaker 05

  Then, oh my gosh, sorry. The funniest part of this Boost Mobile thing is like, there was a Bank of America who at the time I was banking with. And there was a Boost Mobile store and they were like four blocks from each other in Center City, Philadelphia. And so while I spent so much time, but going to one, they'd be like, you need to figure this stuff out at your bank. Go to the bank to be like, you need to do this on your phone. Go back to the Boost Mobile store. They'd be like, we can't do anything like without your cards. So one day I went to the Boost Mobile, like this whole thing exploded. The Boost Mobile store is like, you gotta come back tomorrow. I went back to the Boost Mobile store the next day and it had closed. They had literally shut down that location, which is the most Boost Mobile thing in the whole world. I know I'm making this story take way too much time.

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  Anyway, this is all to say, now I'm like 75, 25, iPhone 25, minimal phone 75. And I'm so happy to be back on a physical keyboard. And that's my phone journey. Aren't you glad I went first?

• 1:03:01David Imel?

  You're not gonna stay on the phone, right?

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  I am.

• 1:03:04David Imel?

  It doesn't have to be on it now.

• 1:03:06Speaker 05

  The reason I'm not gonna stay on the minimal phone is because

• 1:03:10Speaker 05

  my really kind, nice, generous boss, Marques Brownlee, is actually paying for my separate phone line on that phone, which is only, is only gonna be another two months, so...

• 1:03:22David Imel?

  What if you just put your phone line on it?

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  Visible is not a supported carrier for the minimal phone. Otherwise, I would. Otherwise, I would. Or I wouldn't have opened up a Boost Mobile line, anyway. But yeah, so, back on the physical keyboard, back on the dumb phone, with a little-

• 1:03:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Back on the Boost?

• 1:03:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, back on-

• 1:03:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Back on the Boost, baby!

• 1:03:42Speaker 05

  Anyway, um, yes, I feel like this was not very interesting, but, uh, thank you. Thank you for listening, and, uh, someone, I'm just gonna do this. Shut up, bitch!

• 1:03:53David Imel?

  Nice. Okay. Yeah, I'll go. Okay. Uh, I had originally this really, it was a knockoff Razr, because, I dunno, the Razr was expensive or something, I dunno. I remember going to the Verizon store, and they had the Razr, and it was really cool, but, you couldn't afford it, so, they gave me the, like, really cheap, like, knockoff, like, Samsung one or something. And it was, but, the battery life was amazing. It was thick, it was a thick boy, very nice. Uh, it lasted, it lasted about two weeks, I think, on a charge, yeah, and used mini USB. The iPhone came out, um, the famous, famous plug that I make that I was in the audience there. Okay.

• 1:04:34David Imel?

  And I was like, "It's cool!", but it was only on AT&T, and also it was really expensive, or I guess it was Singular at the time, and I couldn't afford it, so I was like, "Well, boo hoo." Then Android came out, and I was like, "Mmm." And so, when the Sam's, uh, the HTC Thunderbolt got announced, which was the first 4G phone in America- Oh, yeah. I was like, "Oh my god, there's finally an Android phone on Verizon." Worst battery life I've ever tested on a- Dude, oh my god! Not only, okay, so I had it for about a week, and it was ama-, it was sort of a precursor to the, like, the HTC 1M6, M7, M8, M9 stuff.

• 1:05:14David Imel?

  So the build quality was amazing, it was like made of metal, it was super nice, had a really good screen, but, not only was the build quality, like, horrible, I mean, not build quality, the battery life horrible? It literally burned my hand. Because I was trying to do Skype and one other thing at the same time. So it burned my, it was so cool. Look how cool it looks. The, the old clock widgets on Android are. Their peak. They're just amazing. And it looks so cool. It had front-facing speakers, had a kickstand built into it. It was dope as hell, but unfortunately it burned my hand and so I had to return it. Uh, so I switched it out for a Samsung Droid Charge and the build quality of Samsung Droid Charge was

• 1:05:54David Imel?

  doo-doo water. Much worse, it was made of plastic. It was flimsy. It was crappy. Did I review that? Yeah, the Droid Charge, it was pretty bad. I don't, I honestly should have just dealt with the pain. Um, but then the Samsung Galaxy S3 got announced and that was like a big deal in the phone world. Everyone was super, super hyped for that phone. I think it was like one of the first 1 gigahertz processor phones. I think it was the first 1 gigahertz processor phone. It was a big deal. I was really excited for that. I pre-ordered it. It was the first phone I pre-ordered. And that was amazing. Galaxy S3, that was the first one to introduce the like touch whiz like water droplet sounds when every time you unlock it, it'd go like

• 1:06:38David Imel?

  you know, very nice. Uh, LGG3 was the next phone. It was the first 1440p phone. And it came with all these demo videos on it that was like, look at 1440p resolution. And it was like all those YouTube videos that you watch where it's like sweeping through vistas and it was like bright and it was like, show this to your friends and buy more LG stuff. And that was great because like that was an awesome LG phone. It had, uh, the volume rockers were on the back underneath and the power button was right in between. It was so dope. It was super cool. It had a huge screen. So I really liked that. Uh, next, so Nexus 6P gets announced, or sorry Nexus 6 gets announced. Shamu.

• 1:07:19David Imel?

  Shamu. Previously, I had wanted to have Nexus phones because they were all so cool and so affordable, like the LG, like the Nexus 4 was the sparkly back and it was like $300. It was so awesome. But it wasn't available everywhere. It was not available everywhere. Definitely not. On Verizon. Most of the Nexus's were not on Verizon and I was on my family's plan and I could not get off and it sucked. But the Nexus 6 got announced and it came out and it got announced at $650, which was unbelievably expensive at the time. There was all this outrage on Droid Life, the comment section were going crazy. And I was just like, wow, I can't believe they do this. And then the next day I bought one. And um, yeah, I really got convinced because Google Fi got announced with the Nexus 6.

• 1:08:04David Imel?

  It was like, now it's called Google Project Fi or Project, oh no, Google Fi Wireless now is what it's called. The name has changed a few times, but because it got announced, I was like, you know what? I'm finally a freshman in college. I should get off my mom's phone plan, gonna be totally independent. So I got a Nexus 6. That phone was awesome. It was basically a Moto X 2013, but way bigger. Because the rumor was that they were gonna work with Huawei on that phone and Huawei pulled out at the last minute. And Moto was like, we could just make a bigger Moto X. Have the dimple on the back. Yeah. And so that's what they did for that. Nexus 6P was the next one. That's when Huawei came back swinging.

• 1:08:48David Imel?

  It was basically the build quality of the HTC Thunderbolt, but even better. Many people revere the Nexus 6P as the like nicest designed smartphone ever made. And I still think that it's like really high up there.

• 1:09:00Speaker 04

  I would argue the current Pixels look the way they do because of the 6P.

• 1:09:04David Imel?

  Yeah, well, sort of. Yeah.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  Hmm, it had the visor.

• 1:09:07David Imel?

  It had the visor. Sure, that's true. Yeah, it was pretty sweet. Uh, and then from there on out, because I was on Project Fi, I was able to live that Google goodness life. They announced the Pixel 1 and I bought that and I bought the Pixel 2 and then I bought the Pixel 3 XL with the Omega bathtub notch. That was pretty sweet. Um, then I had the Pixel 4 XL with the radar that would destroy the battery and never work. Uh, and then the Pixel 4A came out. And I still hold that I think the Pixel 4A was one of the best smartphones ever made. Cause it was back to like $350. Uh, it just had a really, really seamless UI, like the Pixel UI was really maturing. Had Google Assistant was really amazing at that time.

• 1:09:51David Imel?

  It was really light, had one camera, it was really small, it was a small phone, smallandroidphone.com. 5.81 inch. Um, yeah, it was awesome. Rear fingerprint reader. Yeah, I think my-

• 1:10:01Speaker 01

  Accent power button.

• 1:10:02David Imel?

  The accent and power button. So I'm telling you. Yeah, I think my title for my review of that phone was like, "A phone so good you won't even have to use it." Because you just use Google Assistant for everything. Oh, yeah. And then the screen was really good when you did actually use it.

• 1:10:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Smallandroidphone.com is a real website.

• 1:10:20David Imel?

  I know, and it's-

• 1:10:21Andrew Manganelli?

  And that's a petition to be small.

• 1:10:22David Imel?

  It's run by Eric Michikovsky, which is the Pebble guy.

• 1:10:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, really?

• 1:10:26David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28David Imel?

  He actually was really excited about the, uh, minimal phone getting the Android layer unlocked because it's a small phone, so. Or it's the Light Phone 3, Light Phone 3, sorry.

• 1:10:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, minimal phone is huge.

• 1:10:40David Imel?

  Yeah, anyway, Pixel 5, also small, really awesome, it was that, uh, it was a little bit cheaper and a little bit, like, it was made of plastic again, but it was that cool, like, they had, it was made of metal but also plastic, and they were able to get the wireless charging through the metal because they like carved a hole in the metal in the center. That was really awesome. Pixel 6, super exciting because it was the big redesign of the Pixel, they added material U to the Pixel 6, super awesome. Then, I-

• 1:11:14David Imel?

  Say it with your chest. Became depressed and bought an iPhone 14 Pro. And the reason I bought it, if we're gonna be honest, is because it was square.

• 1:11:26David Imel?

  And I just, that really won me over, but then I moved to the Pixel Fold because that was dope. And then the iPhone 15 Pro came out and it had USB-C, and it was also square. So it brought me back, I was back on the iPhone 15 Pro Max. Uh, then the Pixel Fold 2 came out and I was on that for a while because it was cool, it was pretty cool, and then the iPhone 16 Pro came out and it looked exactly the same as the-

• 1:11:52Andrew Manganelli?

  I love how the, the Pixel needs to add a whole second screen and the iPhone's like, "USB-C," and David's like, "Damn it."

• 1:12:00David Imel?

  Yeah, anyway, that's pretty much where I'm at. Um, I will say, I reviewed probably like 200 phones in between there and I liked a lot of them, didn't like a lot of them, but probably my favorite phone that I reviewed in between there was the Oppo Find X2 Pro.

• 1:12:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:15David Imel?

  Want to say that that phone rocked.

• 1:12:16Andrew Manganelli?

  God, a lot of throwbacks here.

• 1:12:17David Imel?

  Yeah, so that's my chronology. This is gonna be a long podcast episode.

• 1:12:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Mine's not that long. I can go quick. Mine is mostly like, haha, look, he's old.

• 1:12:26Speaker 05

  I I looked at yours and I I was I realized where I misremembered the Samsung flip phone thing, but you have one Samsung flip phone in here that when I was in elementary school was like, if you had that thing, you were the coolest kid.

• 1:12:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, really? I generally, well, my first, my first phone, so 2003, I put timestamps for this. The Audiovox CDM 9100.

• 1:12:51David Imel?

  God damn, you are old.

• 1:12:53Andrew Manganelli?

  This thing was a.

• 1:12:57Andrew Manganelli?

  This phone, I had the worst phone out of all of my friends, but this thing was indestructible.

• 1:13:03Speaker 05

  I have a question.

• 1:13:04David Imel?

  It looks like it.

• 1:13:05Speaker 05

  When you owned it, were the buttons that color of yellow or is that because of time? No, that is, that was a design choice.

• 1:13:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, I mean, it was also like the backlight kind of had this like greenish hue to it. Greenish yellow hue to it. So you could see it in the dark.

• 1:13:21Speaker 05

  I believe it's a greenish yellow dew, if you will.

• 1:13:24David Imel?

  Yeah, I might have had this phone.

• 1:13:26Andrew Manganelli?

  This thing, no, my, my friends used to be like, oh, this phone sucks. And they would take it and throw it against the wall. The battery would pop out. And then I just pop the battery back in and it was totally fine.

• 1:13:36David Imel?

  R I P removable batteries.

• 1:13:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, you really had to learn like T nine on that thing.

• 1:13:40David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Andrew Manganelli?

  To type at any sort of speed.

• 1:13:44David Imel?

  For the young people that listen to us, T nine is when you have a number pad and each of them have three letters on them and you learn how to like touch type words underneath the table.

• 1:13:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, it's a little weird because you could either do A B C, which was like if the two key has A B C, A is one touch, B is two touch, but T nine was like predictive. So you would just type all the letters that were in the word and then, so if you press, if it was dog, you would press three, six. What's G four? And it would either say dog, or you would press the arrow buttons to pick other words that have those amount of letters in it. I used to get into the table so fast. It's a pro. You really on this phone had to learn about, uh, it was called like button lock or, cause like if you just stuck this in your pocket, it would just press buttons and call people and you would just leave voicemails to random people and you're like on your bike. So that was a fun time.

• 1:14:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Then I got my first flip phone, the Samsung S E H A sixty seven, A six seventy, um, whatever. It's a silver Samsung flip phone, had a camera on it. First time I had a camera in two thousand and five. I was Verizon for everything. Okay. Until I, which also you getting a, your own phone line in high school is very mature. I think I was dating, living with Claire before I got my own phone. Yeah. It was a thing that I had to like, I had to beg for, cause I was never around.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  I think college is when I got my own.

• 1:15:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Your own, own phone line? Yeah. Wait, your own line?

• 1:15:15Speaker 01

  My own, yeah, I was on my family plan with Verizon until college.

• 1:15:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, you mean your own plan?

• 1:15:20Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, that's what I was talking about. Got it. Yeah. Um, then I did get an LG Voyager. This was when I was like, I like phones. I want this, this thing's sick. Screw the iPhone and all the iPhone lovers. Oh, my God, that's right, cause this is two thousand and seven. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, this is, who needs an iPhone? I mean, I was also someone who didn't have an iPod. I had a creative zen. Hmm. Um, and like, so I didn't like, I don't know why I didn't like Apple stuff back then. Um, so I got the Voyager. It was us versus them. It was us versus them. Back then though, them, Apple was the nerdy thing. Kinda, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't the mainstream thing in two thousand and seven. iPhone was the Android of phones. It kind of feels like iPhones. iPhones started, I would say, I would say Mac.

• 1:16:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Android of iPhones. Mac beforehand was like the. Yeah. Coder, really nerdy. Yeah. I liked it a bit, cause I did video editing and like that was, but I really liked Windows better. Um, but anyways, got my Voyager until one day I tripped and broke both screens when it was in my pocket. So then I got the Samsung Alias.

• 1:16:26David Imel?

  That's the one I was talking about.

• 1:16:28Andrew Manganelli?

  This phone was, do you remember this phone?

• 1:16:29David Imel?

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:16:30Andrew Manganelli?

  It's so cool. For those of you who, if there's not a picture on the screen, you could open it like a flip, upwards, upwards, or a fold because it had this one hinge on the top right corner. So you could either have it like regular keypad on a phone, or if it was sideways, then it was like a landscape.

• 1:16:47David Imel?

  This is the LG Wing of 2008.

• 1:16:50Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I was looking for some and there was an LG Wing of 2008 from Samsung.

• 1:16:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:54Andrew Manganelli?

  I forget what it was called. Then my first real Android phone, the Droid Eris.

• 1:16:59David Imel?

  Which, yeah, by the way, this is, this is around when the 3D, uh, 3D cameras and 3D screens were like, they were trying to make it a thing. And the Evo 3D came out around that time too. Do you remember this? I think it was Sprint only or something?

• 1:17:12Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't remember. I remember at my time on Verizon, like if you were doing the Verizon upgrade plan, your two choices were this or the Droid, the first Droid.

• 1:17:21David Imel?

  And you did this instead?

• 1:17:22Andrew Manganelli?

  This was cheaper.

• 1:17:23David Imel?

  My mom got this.

• 1:17:25Andrew Manganelli?

  I got this, the little, it had a little trackball on it. Uh, but again.

• 1:17:29David Imel?

  Flames.

• 1:17:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Old Android clock widget.

• 1:17:32David Imel?

  It's so good.

• 1:17:32Andrew Manganelli?

  It's just nostalgic.

• 1:17:34David Imel?

  That's the HTC Sense widget, yeah.

• 1:17:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, this thing was awesome. I remember, uh, like rooting this and thinking I broke it a hundred different times.

• 1:17:43David Imel?

  Hell, yeah.

• 1:17:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Then I got a Droid 2, then, then I started in the Galaxy stuff, S3, S5. This is very clearly, you can tell my plan was an upgrade every two years. So S3, S5, S7, then I started working here.

• 1:17:58David Imel?

  Oh.

• 1:17:58Andrew Manganelli?

  We got a some, it wasn't a review unit. It was, I think you did something with Casey and they sent like a gift package that had a Note 8 in it. And you didn't want it. So I was like, I'll take it. Favorite phone I've ever had.

• 1:18:11David Imel?

  Note 8 was fire.

• 1:18:12Andrew Manganelli?

  Note 8, best phone I think that's ever come out. It was peak.

• 1:18:15David Imel?

  Wasn't fire because the Note 7 was fire.

• 1:18:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It was, yes. This was, um, fire though. Um, but the, I think like the coolest part of this is the home button was like this button kind of under the screen. So it was just a screen button, but it had a physical press and like a feedback to it.

• 1:18:31David Imel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Just fantastic.

• 1:18:32David Imel?

  That was awesome.

• 1:18:33Andrew Manganelli?

  Then I started my Pixel Journey, Pixel 3 XL, Bathtub, Pixel 4 XL, Soli, Pixel 6, Pixel 7, Zenfone 10.

• 1:18:42David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:18:42Andrew Manganelli?

  And now I am back on the Galaxy train with a Galaxy S24.

• 1:18:46David Imel?

  This is a crazy way to tell the passage of time because I've known you since your 4 XL days. And then I keep scrolling. I'm like, whoa, I've known him for so many phones. I have a question for you, Andrew.

• 1:18:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57David Imel?

  Why'd you go back to the Galaxy S24? I feel like Samsung is the most boring, like boring phone right now, especially the regular one.

• 1:19:04Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't.

• 1:19:05David Imel?

  Like you get a Pixel.

• 1:19:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't even remember why I was like, I kind of miss Samsung and went back to it. I like the size of it. Um, the price of it is pretty solid and.

• 1:19:16Speaker 01

  From a Zen phone, so you also gained like an extra camera and wireless charging and.

• 1:19:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Gain an extra camera from the smaller Pixel too.

• 1:19:23David Imel?

  New Zen phone has wireless charging.

• 1:19:25Andrew Manganelli?

  This one did have wireless charging.

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Didn't they, didn't they add wireless charging to the last one that was cool?

• 1:19:30Andrew Manganelli?

  That's this one.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  The 10.

• 1:19:31David Imel?

  Yeah, the 10. Yeah.

• 1:19:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:19:33David Imel?

  Oh, true. Yeah.

• 1:19:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, sorry. I did. This did have wireless charging. That's why I switched to it.

• 1:19:37Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 1:19:37Andrew Manganelli?

  I beat the hell out of that phone. Um, oh, I also really, the real reason I went from Zen phone to S24 and didn't stay on Zen phone, other than it didn't was small is.

• 1:19:47David Imel?

  They got boring.

• 1:19:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I wanted a Dbrand case that had the MagSafe puck on it. I still think MagSafe is the best accessory on any phone, period. So it has to have a case.

• 1:19:58David Imel?

  But you could, I mean, the Zen phone 10 doesn't, definitely doesn't need a case.

• 1:20:02Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I had the sticker on the back. It's still annoying to like hold with like this magnetic sticker on it.

• 1:20:07David Imel?

  I see.

• 1:20:08Andrew Manganelli?

  But no, I think mine's still on my desk. It, uh, but yeah, mine's kind of a boring, except for that Audiovox CDM9100.

• 1:20:14David Imel?

  I think you should switch to a Kyocera Rise.

• 1:20:17Andrew Manganelli?

  I might have to look for one.

• 1:20:19Speaker 05

  Also, Andrew, I just want to say, in my heart, you will forever be a Zen phone 10. That's just the phone. I can't, I see that phone and I'm just like, that's Andrew's phone.

• 1:20:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I like that.

• 1:20:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29David Imel?

  You may think that you're a Zen phone 7.

• 1:20:30Andrew Manganelli?

  My spirit animal.

• 1:20:31David Imel?

  But you'll always be a Zen phone 10 to me, Andrew.

• 1:20:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:35Speaker 05

  The man of the hour.

• 1:20:37Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. Here's how I did this. I, I just went year by year since, every year since 2006, I picked what I believe to be the phone that I used the most during that year. Some of these years were hard where I had two or three phones that I used a lot during the year, but I tried to just pick the one that I used the most. So presented without nuance, every year from 2006 to 2025, my daily driver. Oh, six, uh, Samsung flip phone. I believe it's called the U340.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  2007 Motorola Droid. 2008, the same Motorola Droid. 2009, the same Motorola Droid. Overclocked.

• 1:21:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, custom ROM, the whole thing. 2010, the Droid X. These are all Verizon phones.

• 1:21:21David Imel?

  Droid.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  2011, the first and only phone I've ever waited in line for. The Samsung Galaxy Nexus.

• 1:21:28David Imel?

  Oh, so jealous.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  2012. That phone was how I found you on YouTube. Yeah, I did a bunch of videos on that phone, yeah. That was on Verizon as well.

• 1:21:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Droid X was sick.

• 1:21:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, Droid X was sick. Droid X was a good one.

• 1:21:39David Imel?

  Droid X was awesome.

• 1:21:41Speaker 01

  Then 2011, Galaxy Nexus, so then 2012, Galaxy Note 2. 2013, HTC One M7 Google Play Edition. Let's Google. The smile on your face, reading that out loud is like... That phone was perfect. That phone was actually perfect. 2014, OnePlus One. 2015, Galaxy Note 5. 2016, Nexus 6P.

• 1:22:09David Imel?

  Yes.

• 1:22:10Speaker 01

  2017, Google Pixel XL. 2018, OnePlus 6. 2019, OnePlus 7T Pro McLaren Edition.

• 1:22:19David Imel?

  Oh my god, okay, the 7T.

• 1:22:21Speaker 01

  Also perfect, that phone is also perfect.

• 1:22:23David Imel?

  The 7T also is perfect.

• 1:22:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. 2020, iPhone 12 Pro Max, because I split my Android phones too much. Android, uh, 20, sorry, 2021, Galaxy S21 Ultra. 2022, Pixel 7 Pro. 2023, Zenfone 10. 2024, S24 Ultra. 2025, S25 Ultra.

• 1:22:44Andrew Manganelli?

  You put the Zenfone 10 on there?

• 1:22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. I use that, I use the Zenfone 9 a lot. It didn't make the cut over the Pixel 7 Pro, but those two Zenphones in a row were heavy for me. Yeah, that's my, that is my list.

• 1:22:56David Imel?

  Wow, and do we think that Pixel 10 is gonna be good enough to dethrone the S25 Ultra?

• 1:23:02Speaker 01

  I'm hoping, honestly, yeah. Pixel, Pixel 10 Pro, or 10 Pro XL, whatever, and the big one ends up being, that could be, that could be interesting.

• 1:23:11David Imel?

  It's supposed to come out in August.

• 1:23:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, because there hasn't been a Pixel as my number one on here since... Pixel 7 Pro.

• 1:23:18David Imel?

  That's crazy.

• 1:23:19Speaker 01

  And I remember Pixel 3 XL almost made my list, but that I think was the same year as one of those OnePlus phones that I that was just amazing.

• 1:23:26David Imel?

  I tried to run the regular Pixel 3 because the XL had the Omega notch. The regular Pixel 3 had the worst battery life since like, yeah, since like.

• 1:23:35Speaker 01

  The 3 XL was good though. Great cameras.

• 1:23:37Andrew Manganelli?

  The notch was so funny.

• 1:23:38Speaker 01

  It was a ridiculous notch.

• 1:23:40Andrew Manganelli?

  So funny.

• 1:23:40David Imel?

  I'm just wondering who like okayed that.

• 1:23:43Speaker 01

  It was character. Honestly, you look at phones today and they all have like some visual character thing. You look at the Pixel 3 XL. It's like, yep, that's the phone with the notch.

• 1:23:49David Imel?

  Omega.

• 1:23:50Speaker 01

  Fine.

• 1:23:51David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:51Speaker 01

  I wish it had more software features though with that notch. Anyway.

• 1:23:54David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Adam.

• 1:23:55Speaker 04

  Uh, T-Mobile Sidekick 3, Motorola Droid, Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Samsung Galaxy S3, LG Nexus 5, Motorola Nexus 6 Shamu, Apple iPhone 6S, Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge, uh, Google Pixel, Google Pixel 2 XL, iPhone X, Google Pixel 3, Google Pixel 4A, the perfect phone, Google Pixel 6A, Google Pixel 7, Apple iPhone 12 Pro, Apple iPhone 15 Pro, Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, Google Pixel 9 Pro.

• 1:24:23Speaker 01

  Big, uh, big Pixel history for this guy.

• 1:24:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:25Speaker 01

  Wow. Well, there you have it.

• 1:24:28David Imel?

  Loves his pixels.

• 1:24:29Speaker 01

  I think it's about time for our final trivia break.

• 1:24:35Speaker 01

  Trivia dude.

• 1:24:37David Imel?

  I think we like phones.

• 1:24:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Nah.

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  Not anymore.

• 1:24:40David Imel?

  Now we just like.

• 1:24:41Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like, I feel like.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  That was me back then.

• 1:24:44Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm all in on AI now.

• 1:24:45Speaker 04

  Not anymore, bro.

• 1:24:46Speaker 01

  I just have a pin on it.

• 1:24:48Andrew Manganelli?

  I feel like that just made all of us realize like five years ago, we loved phones.

• 1:24:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Cause like everything we said from like 2015 to 2020, we were like, oh my God, that was awesome.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  When you look at the pictures of these things, they're so cool looking and now they just look the freaking same. The grin on my face when I got to say HTC One and then it slowly faded away. Like the light left my eyes. I said S24, S25.

• 1:25:13David Imel?

  Practically the only thing that differentiates these things now is how the freaking camera looks.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:18David Imel?

  That's it.

• 1:25:19Speaker 05

  And whether or not it comes in gray or.

• 1:25:22Speaker 01

  I gotta say, power ranking, if I were to power ranking like phones that I could go back to and use today, the top two by a head and shoulders are the HTC One M7 Play Edition and the OnePlus 7T Pro McLaren Edition. Those two phones were flawless, no notes.

• 1:25:40David Imel?

  I'm bringing back. Okay, but the OnePlus 7T Pro McLaren Edition had like an issue where like it, because they had the curved, no, the curved sides.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:25:50David Imel?

  It would like have ghost touches all the time.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  I just got used to it. It was incredible software, fast charging, great cameras for a OnePlus phone.

• 1:25:57David Imel?

  That's true.

• 1:25:58Speaker 01

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:25:58David Imel?

  And it was good value.

• 1:25:59Andrew Manganelli?

  It had like 12 gigs of RAM.

• 1:26:00David Imel?

  Yeah, extra RAM.

• 1:26:01Speaker 01

  Extra RAM.

• 1:26:02David Imel?

  It did have 12 gigs of RAM.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Sorry, I interrupted.

• 1:26:04David Imel?

  Okay.

• 1:26:05Speaker 01

  Trivia time.

• 1:26:06Speaker 05

  So, starting in 2007, ending, I couldn't find a clear end date for this, but it seems like me's are slowly getting phased out anyway. But for a while, starting in 2007, Nintendo would occasionally release what they called special me's. These were Japanese celebrities and mostly Nintendo executives. And they were not editable, but there was one other distinguishing visual feature that signaled that your me was a special me. What was that distinguishing feature? Hit it.

• 1:26:37David Imel?

  That the, the special ones were special, right?

• 1:26:42David Imel?

  Like the, the ones they distributed.

• 1:26:44Speaker 05

  What?

• 1:26:44David Imel?

  Not, not the ones you made, the ones they distributed.

• 1:26:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:26:47David Imel?

  The celebrity me's?

• 1:26:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, yes, yes.

• 1:26:51Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:26:52David Imel?

  Hey.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  Ungovernable.

• 1:26:58David Imel?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Speaker 05

  For those, actually even video viewers would know this, it's like 100 degrees in this room right now. It's so hot.

• 1:27:05Speaker 01

  I don't think it's that bad.

• 1:27:08Andrew Manganelli?

  We're getting, tomorrow's gonna be worse.

• 1:27:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, there you go. Alright, who wants to read their answer first? Uh, I put little stars above their head. Mm-hmm, but it seems like you wrote a pun that I'm pretty stoked for. I wrote Reggie fills a me. I kinda wanna give him a point just for that. We'll, I'll talk about it with my host. But yeah, that is wrong. There were no, there were no stars.

• 1:27:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I just wrote they sparkle.

• 1:27:30Speaker 05

  They do not sparkle. I said there would be some object floating over their head. Unfortunately, that is also wrong. The correct answer is they had gold pants. Very nice.

• 1:27:40Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. And no one else could have gold pants?

• 1:27:41Speaker 05

  No, me's had gray pants, or if a me was favorited on your Wii console, it received red pants. Hmm.

• 1:27:50Speaker 01

  I'm wearing that.

• 1:27:52Speaker 04

  Alright, quick update on the score. Marquez with 25, Andrew with 15, David 29, potentially 30.

• 1:28:00Speaker 05

  Nah.

• 1:28:01Speaker 04

  No?

• 1:28:01Speaker 05

  If you were losing, I would've given it to you, but I can't, I can't, yeah. You can't just be giving David. You're already winning. But it could match my age.

• 1:28:07Speaker 01

  Oh, you're ridiculous.

• 1:28:08Speaker 05

  That'd be cool.

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  You gotta earn that point.

• 1:28:10Speaker 04

  It would be cool, but still at 29. Alright, next question. What was the first Super Mario game where Mario would take a nap when the player was idle?

• 1:28:22Speaker 04

  A, Super Mario Odyssey. B, Super Mario 64. C, Super Mario World, or D, Super Mario Kart? Marquez is just straight up guessing.

• 1:28:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I'll hold it and throw the marker point at it.

• 1:28:40Speaker 05

  They're actually doing.

• 1:28:41Speaker 04

  They're, oh my god. Hurry up, the time's almost out. Oh.

• 1:28:45Speaker 05

  What did you just do?

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  I think it hit the middle.

• 1:28:47Speaker 04

  For audio listeners, Marquez drew, Marquez drew like a dartboard. And he threw a marker at it. And picked A, which is wrong. Uh, David, what'd you say?

• 1:29:01Speaker 05

  I said B.

• 1:29:02Speaker 04

  Andrew, what'd you say?

• 1:29:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I said 64.

• 1:29:05Speaker 04

  Which was B?

• 1:29:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't remember.

• 1:29:07Speaker 04

  It was correct either way. Two points for both of you.

• 1:29:09Speaker 05

  Let's go.

• 1:29:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Two points for both of us?

• 1:29:11Speaker 04

  No. Two collectively shared amongst both of you.

• 1:29:14Andrew Manganelli?

  I get both.

• 1:29:16Speaker 05

  Hey, I'm 30, okay? Told you it'd be cool if my score matched my age.

• 1:29:21Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:29:23Speaker 01

  Cause now I have 30 points.

• 1:29:24Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a good trend.

• 1:29:25Speaker 05

  I thought your birthday was like, was two months ago.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  Wait, what letter was it?

• 1:29:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's still the same age from two months.

• 1:29:30Speaker 05

  Well, why are you talking? This is old news. You've been 30 for a minute now.

• 1:29:33Speaker 01

  I know, but I'm just saying if my score became the same age as me.

• 1:29:36Speaker 05

  If my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a bike.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  What, what letter was the right answer?

• 1:29:41Speaker 05

  B, as in boy.

• 1:29:42Speaker 01

  I'd be the first.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 1:29:48Andrew Manganelli?

  My plan worked.

• 1:29:49Speaker 01

  Well. This has been a long podcast. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening with us and thanks for uh doing trivia with us and all of our rambling. Check out the Switch unboxing slash impressions video. Let us know what you want to see in the full review and also let us know what you think is gonna happen at WWDC. See you there. Bye. Thank you to the Nintendo Switch 2.

• 1:30:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, for us produced by Adam. Wait, for us produced by Adam, Melina and Ellis Sorban, our partners Vox Media Podcast Network and our track track music is created by Vane Sil.

• 1:30:18Speaker 01

  Bingo.

• 1:30:35Speaker 01

  The Nintendo Switch 2 is the hash swinging slash blinging Nash tinging prash.

• 1:30:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you okay?

• 1:30:44Speaker 01

  Nah.

• 1:30:45Speaker 05

  Alright, we should be.

• 1:30:46Speaker 01

  Blinging.

• 1:30:47Speaker 05

  We should be good to go.

• 1:30:48Speaker 01

  Hash swinging slasher.

• 1:30:50Speaker 05

  Um.