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1:15 Speaker 01 and more time actually shipping. Learn more at jira.com. That's J-I-R-A dot com. Catch you guys next week in April. Peace. Did you guys hear that the Super Mario Galaxy movie is bad?
1:26 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Really?
1:27 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah, because it's preying on your nostalgia. It's not good. The first one was good. Yeah, yeah.
1:33 Andrew Manganelli? Are you excited for backyard baseball?
1:35 Speaker 01 Of course.
1:37 Speaker 01 BYB? Is it out yet?
1:39 Speaker 02 We weren't recording.
1:42 Speaker 01 April. My stomach actually dropped because I was like, I have a flight. Don't do this to me.
1:52 Speaker 01 Yeah. What is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
1:57 Speaker 02 I'm Andrew.
1:58 Speaker 01 And I'm David. And it's April.
2:00 Speaker 02 Fools.
2:01 Speaker 01 We finally got to April.
2:02 Speaker 02 I never have to hear tarch again.
2:04 Speaker 01 That's maybe not true.
2:06 Speaker 02 I hope it is.
2:06 Speaker 01 We'll see in about 12 months. But as of the day of recording, it's actually April Fool's Day. So happy, happy April Fool's Day to those to celebrate. We actually dropped videos today that I thought were really fun. You can go back and watch them and they still have actually some value outside of April Fool's Day. I'll put it that way. But in today's episode, we have a eulogy for a deceased product. We have Google allowing you to change your username on Gmail, which is interesting. Some smart glasses from another new company, a Pixel 9, I mean 10, I mean 11 leak. That's a weird way to say Pixel 8. I mean 7. Really brand new stuff. And we're also going to name our top five apps of all time. I have my Mount Rushmore and then some honorable mentions. I've got to pick one from my honorable mentions to graduate to a top five.
2:51 Speaker 01 I will do that mentally at some point during this podcast.
2:53 Speaker 02 Yeah, right now I only have four. I'm just going to let the fifth one come to me.
2:56 Speaker 01 That's a good idea. I like that. What if we overlap? We're going to overlap. That's fine. We don't have to agree on our top five, but we all have to. We're bringing it to the table. All right. Probably for the comments to debate how wrong we are or who has the hottest takes.
3:06 Speaker 02 Always.
3:06 Speaker 01 The coldest takes. Anyway, does anybody have a, did they even test this for this week?
3:11 Speaker 02 Oh, boy, do I.
3:12 Speaker 01 You do?
3:13 Speaker 02 So recently I have been trying to get into my PayPal account because I haven't used it in so long that the last time I used it, I had a different phone number. So I go to log in.
3:25 Speaker 01 It's over.
3:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's a wrap. And they're like, hey, we just sent you a code, a six-digit code. And I'm like, to what? Like, I don't have that number anymore. So fast forward three days and multiple customer service reps later, they were finally able to get me to reset my password with my email after. But it makes no sense because the whole time I call, they have you like first with the little AI robot thing, verify who you are, not only with the phone number, but with your, your last four of the social. So I should be able to just change my. Phone number right from there with the AI like just let me do it. They know it's me, but they refuse to do it to the point that they had to do like a crazy
4:07 Speaker 02 reset on their side so that I couldn't log in for 24 hours or attempt to log in or they would think it was a security thing. And then after 24 hours, I had to call back and get someone else on the phone and then they could be like, oh yeah, now we can do like a hard reset on your password. I say all this to say, phone number two factor is stupid. There are apps for this. We've solved this problem. Stop being lazy. PayPal is one of the biggest companies and they're still using phone number two factor. And it was just so frustrating, so annoying.
4:36 David Imel? Adam famously made a video on Android Authority.
4:40 Speaker 02 Don't trigger me, David.
4:41 David Imel? A long time ago called that we should get rid of phone numbers and people are very angry.
4:47 Speaker 02 People made great points as to why we should.
4:49 Andrew Manganelli? You should not have gotten rid of your phone number and none of this would have ever happened.
4:53 Speaker 02 That's fair.
4:53 David Imel? Well, if you just use pass keys, this would not be a problem.
4:56 Speaker 01 Use our indicator app PSA. PSA, then you'll never have to test that process in your life.
5:03 Speaker 01 Alrighty, okay, so this week we made two different shorts so far and I say so far because it might keep going, but the idea was kind of fun. It was to take the same photo on every single iPhone generation that's ever been made, one through 17.
5:19 Andrew Manganelli? Just shout out Jono real quick. This was his idea. He was basically like, we've done these every Apple phone, every Google phone. The short version of the shorts version of this is take a photo with everyone and just let's see how it goes. That's really cool, like in ascending order.
5:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, because they talk, you know, these companies talk about the smartphone's camera so much that you'd assume there'd be like a huge difference year to year of a lot of these things. You take all these, and by the way, it's like kind of a hilarious process of taking 17 straight photos with all these different phones. We have to fire them all up, get them all set up, make sure they're all in their default settings, sit still for 15 minutes while we get every single one perfectly lined up, take all 17 photos. But then like throwing them all on the timeline and seeing them back to back in broad daylight, you might've watched that first short, not a lot of difference, especially year to year with a lot of these iPhones. Didn't shock me because in broad daylight, that's like the perfect best case scenario. I think it starts to break down around like the iPhone 4S, but when you watch the low light one, that is much more.
6:17 Speaker 01 That exposed a lot more of the differences between these sensor sizes. You know, we have the years that they switch from four megapixels to eight megapixels to 12, and there's 12 for a while, and they bump it up again. You can see those differences. You can also see the first iPhone that gets night mode, which is the 11. So there's way more interesting information in that second one of low light. I think we'll do more because it's fun to... I'm not even narrating them. I might later make a long form, like what we learned video about all this stuff. But maybe we'll do like all the Google phones because we know there's like a moment where the pixel gets really good camera. Maybe we'll do a Samsung phones one because we've reviewed every Samsung phone. We can keep going with this stuff and maybe if comments, if you have good comments, let us know what you want to see.
7:01 Speaker 01 I think a good close up photo would be interesting because close up photos got good in the last 10 years, but they were always really bad before. So that can be fun, too.
7:11 Andrew Manganelli? I'll say two things about it. One is while the actual end photo, a lot of them might look different, the like UI and interface and taking the photos was... I took all the photos in the first one. It gets real slow, real fast. Like taking the pictures are just such a nicer experience in the newer ones. And I think the way, after posting this, I realized this short went really viral is how many people just straight up stole all of the content in it and posted it all over social media?
7:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. I mean, I posted a video because people like to take like a frame or two out of it and then post them as their own post, basically.
7:49 Andrew Manganelli? It's really annoying that we do this thing of like this goes from 17 and you get to watch all the way down to one. And then someone goes, I'm just going to clip out the two final things and post it with no credit on Twitter and get 5 million views. It's infuriating.
8:03 Speaker 01 That does happen.
8:04 Andrew Manganelli? It happened all over. I mean, Instagram, everything, even, even posting at MKBHD feels really crap because like maybe it goes to you, but I don't know.
8:14 Speaker 01 At least tag me.
8:15 Andrew Manganelli? Monetizing all of these different social media platforms to just allow stolen content like that has destroyed social media.
8:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, monetization over engagement is, is probably the worst thing that's happened to social media.
8:26 Andrew Manganelli? For sure.
8:27 Speaker 01 I think you should still be able to get your precious engagement and tag the source. You could still do that.
8:33 Andrew Manganelli? Straight up aren't even doing that.
8:34 Speaker 01 Please do that.
8:35 Andrew Manganelli? But that's also like a... The comparing the final two, so you don't even go watch the like, why would you watch the content? That's a spoiler. That's like taking every one of our reviews and just posting the last frame with the final sentence across it and spamming all of Twitter, which now I might have given someone that I
8:50 David Imel? At Grodd, you summarize this video for me, please?
8:53 Speaker 01 People love taking the title and thumbnail of a review and then just commenting about it as if that's the review. Because the packaging of the video, but there's way more nuance to the video.
9:02 David Imel? Right.
9:02 Speaker 01 Anyway, that happens a lot. I was gonna say something else about this. Oh, um, since this was every iPhone, we had to get all the photos from the iPhones to my computer to edit it. And you know, the latest iPhones are easy. You just open up AirDrop and AirDrop it to the Mac. I was surprised at how far do you, David, how, how, how old of an iPhone do you think I was able to AirDrop the photo to myself?
9:25 David Imel? Hmm, 4S.
9:27 Speaker 01 That's exactly right.
9:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
9:28 Speaker 01 That is the newest, the oldest iPhone that I was able to AirDrop to myself. After that, we had to
9:35 Andrew Manganelli? Fun fact on this.
9:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:37 Andrew Manganelli? So I did the final four or five of them. Uh, I was like looking online, how do I get these out? Because it used to be iTunes, right? We had the, it was basically everything with a 30 pin connector.
9:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:47 Andrew Manganelli? I had to do. And I'm searching on Reddit and people are like, oh, use, what's it called? Image capture on?
9:52 Speaker 01 On Mac.
9:53 Andrew Manganelli? On Mac. It could see all of the files, but it wouldn't open them or import them. And then I'm just like, you know what? Windows file management is so much better than Apple. I literally, all I had to do was plug it in and I could just go into it like a hard drive and pull the
10:07 Speaker 01 It as a drive.
10:08 Andrew Manganelli? So it was just easier to pull it out on a Windows computer than it was on the company that makes it. So top to bottom integration, my butt, if you have an older thing.
10:18 Speaker 01 They figured it out somewhere around the 4S or the 5, yeah.
10:21 David Imel? I think Apple has always been forward, like they've been not wanting people to have to even think about folder structures. And that's why like the iPad didn't even get folders until like way, way, way too late. So everyone wants them, obviously, but the whole what's a computer campaign, like the kids don't care about.
10:38 Speaker 02 It's genuinely crazy how many young people don't know like the file structure of computers.
10:42 David Imel? Yeah.
10:43 Speaker 01 Yeah, I learned that recently. That seems like a pretty fundamental thing. Obviously, our parents grew up with other, yeah, our parents grew up with other fundamentals that we think is ridiculous. It turns out, young people are growing up not Caring about file structures?
10:55 David Imel? Yeah, I saw a meme that was like, if you're Gen Z, the tech literacy bar is whether or not you installed Minecraft mods when you were a kid. And if you didn't do that, then you probably don't understand computers.
11:07 Speaker 01 File structure.
11:07 Andrew Manganelli? There's a like weird video game thing like that, that is the source of every major software engineer right now. You either bought it RuneScape, you played Gary's mod, you installed Minecraft mods, like there are different. Roblox is gonna be the new one.
11:20 David Imel? Yeah. I mean, my gateway was definitely Android and like, and flashing ROMs.
11:25 Andrew Manganelli? Flashing ROMs.
11:26 David Imel? That was my gateway to like, learning technology.
11:28 Andrew Manganelli? We're in the middle of doing that for the Google phone we're setting up right now, and it's a pain in the neck.
11:33 Speaker 01 I do have a super, super niche version of that, which I've brought it up, I think, once on this podcast before. I played a truck simulator game on PC called 18 Wheels of Steel. And you could download your own mods from these forums. And then drop into the right folder structure and you could have your own custom trucks. And you could change the attributes of the truck, get the text file, change the engine power, drop that in there.
11:57 David Imel? What are any of them Thomas the Tank Engine?
11:58 Andrew Manganelli? I was gonna say, this is like Skyrim.
12:02 David Imel? There's an amazing, have you seen the Skyrim with the dragon flying down, but it's just Thomas the Tank Engine? Just like breathing fire on people, yeah.
12:09 Speaker 01 That is funny though.
12:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, but file structure, no one knows. Listen, if you want your computer to go faster, find system 32, delete that [BLEEP]. You're gonna fly.
12:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, it is funny, actually. You know how the boomers will be like, do you kids even know what a floppy disk is? I feel like the newer version of that is, do kids know what a file folder is? Have they ever seen a physical file folder?
12:31 Andrew Manganelli? Well, no one's ever seen a physical file folder.
12:33 Speaker 01 Like the Manila.
12:34 David Imel? Yeah, like Manila.
12:36 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, like a Manila folder. You are talking physical folder.
12:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:39 Andrew Manganelli? Oh damn, yeah, no, probably not.
12:40 Speaker 01 I mean, yeah, at my first ever job, I had to like.
12:43 Andrew Manganelli? A filing cabinet?
12:44 Speaker 01 Like a filing cabinet. Kids probably have never seen filing cabinets.
12:47 Speaker 04 I had a moment like that recently because I was thinking about how like, in our parents' generation, like inbox and outboxes were a thing. Like you would literally have two boxes on your desk. Remember there was an inbox and an outbox? And it occurred to me that those sit. On your desktop. And I was like, that's what the
13:07 Speaker 01 File structure?
13:07 Speaker 04 The folders sit on the desktop.
13:10 Speaker 01 Damn.
13:10 Speaker 04 Just like, and that's when I realized that every desk I've ever owned in my whole life had a computer on it. So.
13:16 Speaker 01 Yeah. And on your desktop, it's like, your desktop is your, is your home, you know?
13:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
13:21 Speaker 01 Is that and everything sits on top of your desktop.
13:23 Speaker 04 And then also like, it makes sense how like, the original conception of the desktop was things would only live there temporarily before you'd move it into your documents folder.
13:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, too. They realized we're all hoarders and desktops are disgusting.
13:35 David Imel? All the older people watching this right now are like, goddamn these people.
13:39 Speaker 01 And we're like in our 30s, bro.
13:41 Speaker 04 I know, I know.
13:42 David Imel? It's like, not good.
13:43 Speaker 04 But it's interesting, the thing you brought up earlier, proof that I'm actually Gen Z is I learned my first scripts and like, how to use terminal and stuff from Minecraft.
13:54 Speaker 01 Perfect.
13:55 Andrew Manganelli? Nice.
13:55 David Imel? Very good.
13:56 Speaker 01 Cool. Well, uh, speaking of computers, old computers. Apple did finally officially wait until right after we recorded the podcast last week to kill the Mac Pro.
14:07 David Imel? It was like the day after.
14:08 Andrew Manganelli? I've never been more sure that they waited till Thursday afternoon.
14:13 Speaker 01 Cause who else would care this much?
14:14 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. No one.
14:15 Speaker 01 Yeah.
14:16 Andrew Manganelli? Thursday afternoon. Yeah, afternoon. The afternoon part is how I know. Cause then we couldn't even do a breaking.
14:22 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. So they, you know, they, they kept it on the site for a while. It was always available, but it hasn't gotten updates since the M2 generation, M2 Ultra Mac Pro. I've had it on my desk. I talked about in the, in the desk tour that I did, which is like, this product is officially, is effectively end of life, but not officially dead yet. Last week, they officially removed it from the Apple Store, removed it from their website. And now they've confirmed, I think from a statement somewhere, I don't know.
14:50 Andrew Manganelli? Nine to five Mac.
14:51 Speaker 01 Nine to five.
14:51 Andrew Manganelli? Reached out.
14:52 Speaker 01 Yeah. They said they're, they're not going to, you know, update it anymore. So.
14:55 David Imel? Yeah. It felt like they only made that product because people had been begging for it for so long and it just was very useless.
15:01 Speaker 01 No, I, okay, Andrew's giving me this look like the Mac Pro.
15:04 Speaker 04 Do you remember us cheering? Like, everyone looked at you in the audience.
15:08 Speaker 01 I remember that. I remember being at, it was probably Dub Dub, and they said, "New Mac Pro", and I felt everyone turn around.
15:16 Speaker 01 Ah, yeah. Yeah, you know, the Mac Pro, the idea of the Mac Pro is, it's basically just a bigger enclosure with more cooling and PCI expansion.
15:24 David Imel? Yeah.
15:24 Speaker 01 And all Apple missed on was really facilitating this ecosystem of PCI expansion accessories. There's a couple. I had an OWCC SSD. I have that still on my Mac Pro.
15:36 David Imel? Yeah.
15:36 Speaker 01 There's some networking cards. There's still some GPUs that are potentially useful for very specific applications, like decoding video. But it really never materialized as like a really vibrant ecosystem, because Thunderbolt's good. And you can just plug in basically anything you need via Thunderbolt in a Mac Studio and get effectively the same thing. PCI is still faster, but Thunderbolt's really, really fast now. So the market for people who can't get it done with Thunderbolt, but can with the Mac Pro,
16:07 David Imel? Yeah.
16:07 Speaker 01 was about three people. I'm not even one of those people. I could just be using Thunderbolt. Uh, but yeah, the Mac Pro, I'm sure nobody bought that thing for a couple of years.
16:15 David Imel? Yeah.
16:16 Speaker 01 It finally was officially, uh, deceased.
16:18 David Imel? And it's funny, because they made the version that had the feet, and then they made the version that was supposed to go in like server centers.
16:23 Speaker 01 The rack, yeah.
16:24 David Imel? The rack version. And it was like, did anybody buy that for server centers? I just don't think.
16:30 Speaker 04 I know one person who had a rack-mounted Mac Pro.
16:33 David Imel? Did they just buy it for personal use, though? And they just happened to buy the rack-mounted version?
16:36 Speaker 04 They, they did buy it for personal use. They bought it as a touring computer for lighting and video stuff, for like pro, you know, arena shows.
16:45 David Imel? Okay.
16:45 Speaker 04 And it was just way more convenient to have it rack-mounted, because then you could put it directly in a flight case and get to a venue.
16:51 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know what's more convenient? A Mac Studio now.
16:54 Speaker 04 Yeah.
16:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was gonna say, did they, do you know if this person used PCI cards?
16:58 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah.
16:59 Speaker 01 They did.
16:59 Speaker 04 Because when you're doing like really complex video output stuff, um, you need like a, like what's called like a DeckLink from Blackmagic is like an example of like a really intense video I/O that, yeah. Yeah, you guys know, I don't need to explain.
17:11 Speaker 01 We know what you're talking about. It was just, it was a, it was a confusing product the second it switched to Apple silicon. Because then now it was like all this unified memory, no more expandable RAM. And GPU support was effectively nothing. But they still have PCI slots, so you could still do some very specialized stuff. And it was like. I mean, don't you have like 18 terabytes of SSD storage? I have a 64 terabyte PCIe SSD. And I, I speed test it to this day. Like I have a equivalent Thunderbolt 5 version of the same thing. And it gets three times the speed from the PCI SSD. But three times and also very fast speed is still like it was 9,000 versus 3,500. So I was like, I, I should have been using a Mac Studio all these years ago, but I'm, I was stubborn. I didn't buy a new one.
17:54 Speaker 01 I think when they hopefully soon make the M5 Ultra seems like what they're gonna do. I've heard, yeah, it's coming soon. That I think is what I will finally upgrade to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll just have a Thunderbolt drive.
18:06 Andrew Manganelli? Just a Thunderbolt?
18:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:07 Andrew Manganelli? You, I mean, you almost, uh, why can't I think of the word? Manifested this because like within the month before you just kept going like, I don't think I need this anymore. I think I could just use the Studio with this and the new Studio owners and blah, blah, blah. And then Apple was like, finally he said it, get rid of it.
18:25 Speaker 01 I did the, the Studio Display review. I said Studio is the new Pro. Cause that couldn't have been any more clear. They literally came out with the new Studio Display XDR and discontinued the Pro Display in the same announcement. And it was like, oh, no more Pro because Studio is good enough and here's the new thing. And then the Mac Pro sitting over there kind of shaking like, yeah, yeah, that's true. So we know Mac Studio is already more than enough for all of the Pros who are using Macs for all these things. There's a couple who are still using Pro Displays. There's a couple who are still using Mac Pros. They'll still use those things, but it's like Studio is, is where it's at. Yeah. So, yeah.
19:04 Andrew Manganelli? Kudos to the nine to five Mac people who made their banner image a Mac Pro upside down with its little feet up. And just looks like a piece of roadkill. So funny. I also have a quick question for all of you.
19:16 Speaker 01 Sure.
19:16 Andrew Manganelli? For funsies, I put Marquez's maxed out M2 Ultra Mac Pro in the trade-in program for Apple. What do you think? You would get back.
19:25 Speaker 01 How much did you buy it for? It was over 10, 10 racks.
19:28 Andrew Manganelli? Are we doing closest without going over?
19:29 Speaker 01 Which is not bad considering the Intel ones. It started at 7,000. Yeah, the Intel ones were absurd. 50,000? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. This has, it was maxed out. It had 8 terabytes of storage and it had 192 gigs of unified memory. I think I spent 13 on it or something. I don't think Apple's gonna give me very much. I think they would give me less than 5, probably 3,000. Probably less. I guess. Cause remember the 50, wasn't the $50,000 one, I, I tried the trade-in and it was like a thousand bucks?
19:57 Andrew Manganelli? I thought those were 500 to all recycle it for you.
20:01 Speaker 01 I think it was a thousand bucks. Was that because Apple silicon had come out and so the Intel ones were like useless? Just melted down for metal? Yeah, basically. Yes, for scraps.
20:10 Speaker 04 I think they're gonna give you
20:12 Speaker 01 A G.
20:13 Speaker 04 280 dollars.
20:15 Speaker 01 That would be insulting. That'd be insane. That's less than an iPhone. That's how much it takes to ship it.
20:19 Andrew Manganelli? I think they will recycle it for you.
20:22 Speaker 01 I'm gonna say a G.
20:23 Andrew Manganelli? I think Mark has the closest. It is 2,665. That's not that bad. I almost wonder if the trade-in program got the memo that these got discontinued yet. Um, but I think that price will go down very fast now.
20:38 Speaker 01 How much is an M2 Ultra Max Studio?
20:41 Andrew Manganelli? But that means in 3 years, right? 2023 is when you bought this?
20:46 Speaker 01 So I'm like, uh, yeah, something like that.
20:48 Andrew Manganelli? It's a fifth of the value?
20:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, you can get a fully loaded
20:54 Andrew Manganelli? It's not that crazy.
20:55 Speaker 01 M4 Max, Mac Studio for that price.
20:58 Speaker 04 It's still a crazy computer.
21:00 Speaker 01 Yes, it's a really good computer. How much does this, how much did they cost on eBay? The thing is just how good Apple silicon keeps getting. Remember I benchmarked them M5 Max MacBook Pro 16 inch? And it's the fastest single-threaded Mac CPU core ever. And it's like, most of the stuff you do, that's the thing, like, most of the stuff I do on a Mac most of the time is not editing. It's like all the regular stuff. It's writing, it's the, you know, whether it's thumbnails or like all the everyday web browsing stuff, emails that I do. And then 5% of the time, it's really, really heavy video editing. So all the sacrifices that I made in, in daily usability. To go into video editing, it's like those probably should just be two different computers.
21:41 David Imel? Yeah.
21:43 Speaker 01 And so now, yeah, it's just, the new stuff is good at both.
21:46 David Imel? These vary a lot. For your spec, they've sold on eBay for as little as $2,500 and as high as $7,800.
21:54 Speaker 01 I, you know, it's funny to complain about how little Apple would give me for it, but how much would I pay for that computer now? You couldn't.
22:01 Speaker 02 You would.
22:01 Speaker 01 I would never buy it now.
22:02 Speaker 02 Why? Yeah.
22:03 Speaker 01 Cause you could get a way better computer.
22:05 David Imel? For the, yeah, I guess the RAM is in the.
22:06 Speaker 01 Cause I don't need the PCI expansion.
22:08 David Imel? In the Mac Studio.
22:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
22:09 David Imel? Yeah. Damn, that's crazy.
22:12 Speaker 02 See ya.
22:13 Speaker 01 See you later.
22:13 Speaker 02 I'm sure there's someone somewhere that has like a couple of these doing some very niche business stuff that would just go buy this.
22:21 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. I was hoping, I think secretly hoping for like a really sick video card that would like decode red code.
22:28 David Imel? Afterburner.
22:28 Speaker 01 Like an afterburner card, yeah. And that just never happened.
22:31 Speaker 04 Also, like as much as I'm, you know, I love these big 16-inch MacBook Pros, they're not like thermally perfect. You know what I mean? Like you do benefit from having the, the big, the big, what do you call it?
22:43 Speaker 01 Chamber.
22:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
22:45 Speaker 01 Mac Studio.
22:46 Speaker 04 Or I was gonna say the Mac Pro. Like even though you're not gonna get a chipset, that's like, you know, you probably would still get better speeds on a thermally throttled 16-inch M5 Max, but I don't know, there's something nice about knowing you're cool.
23:00 Speaker 01 I, I would say the best case scenario for Abusilicon today was if they put the highest-end chip in the Mac Pro and just let us, let us cool the crap out of it. And do whatever we want. But that's another story. RIP Mac Pro.
23:14 Speaker 02 So if you're still here watching this with us, then you probably like tech, so you should subscribe if you're, if you're hanging around here on whatever podcast platform of choice. Anyway, this has been a crazy week for kinda like software development. There was like an Axios NPM hack earlier this week. Then Axiom, Axiom, thank you, we were just reading Axios. We were just reading Axios, that's all. There was an NPM thing, whatever. We're not the place for that. What we are the place for is to laugh at the fact that Anthropic accidentally. leaked their own Claude code code to the internet and it is now freely floating around Twitter.
23:55 Speaker 02 But fair warning, be careful if you go looking for this code because if you get caught with it on your computer or if you're sharing it or whatever, there's like legal terms of service things where you could be sued by Anthropic, which we just found pretty ironic.
24:10 Speaker 04 It's hilarious.
24:12 Speaker 02 You stole our stuff and we stole all the other stuff.
24:14 Speaker 04 Yeah. Wait, wait. We steal, not you guys. It's like, no, no, it's not theft if all you do is train a model on it, but also don't train your models on our code.
24:24 Speaker 02 Yeah.
24:25 Speaker 04 Which by the way, love Claude, pay for it. Happy with my $20 a month leaving my bank account. But still, joke's on you, buddy. This is, this is dumb.
24:34 Speaker 02 I will never feel bad for an AI company getting anything stolen from them. Sorry, they have all stolen everything and they're just like, people do that. They had it coming. Yeah, all this stuff is like ongoing. So by the time you're listening to this, there's probably been way more developments, but just be aware.
24:49 Speaker 04 Yeah. But there's some, there's some interesting stuff aside from, you know, getting to laugh and do the little jester dance. Like there's some interesting stuff in the leak, for example, they were planning this like thing called Buddy, which was like a, seemed like a Tamagotchi style interface for Claude. And there were these goofy, do you know what a distillation attack is? Nope. So a distillation attack, you take like a pipsqueak AI and then you take a big chat AI. And then you take the pipsqueak AI just prompts the chat AI over and over and over again.
25:18 Speaker 02 And learns from it.
25:19 Speaker 04 Yeah. And like pays attention to like how it's doing its reasoning and then it trains itself on the kind of reasoning that the chat AI is doing. And it's a way you could make something weak, like a 13 million parameter quen learn from something like Claude Opus 4.6. And there were these goofy anti-distillation measures in there that would like create fake API calls. That like, so that it would be, it would like poison the training data for like these distillation attacks.
25:49 Speaker 02 Nice.
25:50 Speaker 04 There's a lot. I'm Anthropic, I'm sorry this happened, but also.
25:55 David Imel? Well, moving on to the biggest news of the week, possibly the year, possibly the entire decade. Did you guys create your email accounts in like 2003?
26:03 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
26:04 Speaker 02 Yes, long time ago.
26:05 David Imel? Gmail?
26:06 Andrew Manganelli? Well, that's the problem. It wasn't Gmail. All my cringe emails are on AOL.com. AOL, Yahoo, Hotmail.
26:13 David Imel? But you're not still using them, right?
26:14 Andrew Manganelli? No.
26:15 David Imel? Yeah, okay. Well, Google has just announced that they are allowing you to change your email address. Yes, this is a big deal because I have five email addresses.
26:26 Speaker 02 Oh, boy.
26:27 David Imel? Yes, big deal. So now, you're able to change your account username once every 12 months on your Google account. Your previous address will still be saved as an alternate email address and can still be used to sign into your account if you want. But, and you can switch back to your alternate at any time. So if you have like [email protected] , you can now become...
26:49 Andrew Manganelli? Now you can be MemeLord67.
26:50 David Imel? That's right.
26:51 Speaker 02 See, I thought this along those lines, where I have a professional email account because I had the foresight when I was a young high school student to just like use my name. I want to change it now. Yeah, no, I'm a nerd. I want to change it to MemeLord67. What is the point?
27:06 David Imel? Yeah, that's true.
27:07 Speaker 01 So, does this work where like you kind of have like a trail now of usernames and all of them still work? Like you've had your old username, then you change it to the new username. But you still get emails if people email the old username.
27:20 David Imel? Yeah.
27:21 Speaker 01 And then a year later, you change it again. You still get both old?
27:26 David Imel? I don't know how that would work.
27:28 Andrew Manganelli? Google will kill this program before one year goes by, so it doesn't matter.
27:32 David Imel? I'm not sure how that would work.
27:33 Speaker 02 It just uses email alias, so I would assume it would work.
27:35 Andrew Manganelli? It's like mail forwarding, pretty much.
27:37 Speaker 01 I'm gonna start my land grab of all the best email addresses. Just keep going.
27:41 David Imel? But you could do that already by just creating new Google accounts.
27:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, but then I have to log into each one of them.
27:46 David Imel? Yeah, true.
27:47 Speaker 02 My two questions are, one...
27:51 Andrew Manganelli? Aren't most of the reasons we have bad email addresses just because the one we wanted was taken already? So like by the time I try and change it to just [email protected] , that's probably been taken for 10 years. I haven't, I'll try.
28:03 David Imel? I saw a lot of people on, online getting the ones that they thought were taken before, but are no longer taken.
28:09 Andrew Manganelli? To be fair, they've probably at this point purged a lot of inactive accounts. I know Yahoo did that a while ago. They just purged a ton of accounts that weren't used for X amount of time. So maybe.
28:19 Speaker 02 My dream is to just get at Adam everywhere. Because yes, it is my actual name, but it is also such a common name that it is like completely anonymous.
28:27 Andrew Manganelli? Bro, that ain't even gonna happen in your dreams.
28:28 Speaker 02 Every time the new social media app comes up and I rush in early beta to get at Adam, there's already someone, I guess internally at the company named Adam.
28:37 David Imel? Literally the first guy.
28:39 Andrew Manganelli? It's the first letter of the alphabet. You're still, yeah, that's true. Sorry, bro.
28:44 David Imel? Did you get it on T2?
28:45 Speaker 02 I did not get it on T2. It was like Adam 348 or something like.
28:49 Andrew Manganelli? You couldn't get Adam by L Scott Dad. That's.
28:53 David Imel? Dad is just God. So I guess he was first. He was before Adam.
28:57 Andrew Manganelli? My other question on this is, there's so many websites that use email as the username for login. So I'm assuming the old ones still will just work.
29:06 David Imel? Yeah.
29:07 Andrew Manganelli? This is going to break something along that pipeline somewhere.
29:10 David Imel? Almost definitely.
29:10 Andrew Manganelli? And it's going to cause major frustration.
29:13 David Imel? I was thinking, because I, you know, my original email address that I ever made, which is so cringe, it is my login for everything because.
29:21 Speaker 02 I was gonna just bully you into saying it, but maybe you shouldn't.
29:24 David Imel? Yeah, no, don't. I will not say it.
29:26 Speaker 04 Andrew, your last name is two L's, right?
29:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
29:30 Speaker 04 You have like 30 seconds to get [email protected] .
29:36 David Imel? Wait, it is available right now?
29:37 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm claiming it.
29:40 Andrew Manganelli? Is that real? How can I do this?
29:41 David Imel? Okay, I'll show you how to do it. So go to your Gmail.
29:44 Speaker 04 Wait, not live on the pod, please?
29:46 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I'll do it.
29:46 Speaker 04 Andrew, I'm kidding.
29:47 David Imel? Actually, I think you have to do it on your phone.
29:48 Speaker 04 I mean, I do literally have it up.
29:49 Andrew Manganelli? It actually says it's available?
29:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, yeah, but I'm not, I'm not actually gonna claim it. But you should claim it before this episode.
29:55 David Imel? Before, yeah, yeah.
29:56 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
29:57 David Imel? Yeah.
29:57 Andrew Manganelli? I'll do it later.
29:58 David Imel? Yeah. My full name was taken by a famous marine biologist.
30:01 Andrew Manganelli? You use it for logging into everything?
30:03 David Imel? I don't remember what I was gonna say. I totally lost my train of thought.
30:06 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
30:07 Speaker 02 Speaking of losing the train of thought, Nothing is gonna make glasses? What? This is a rumor.
30:15 Andrew Manganelli? Famous Nothing leaker, Mark Gurman.
30:19 Andrew Manganelli? Wrote an article about nothing potentially working on smart glasses for 2027. More like losing the train of plot, am I right?
30:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, everybody is working on glasses, allegedly.
30:30 Andrew Manganelli? Hey, I'll go real quick into this. There's not a ton of information. They apparently will have built-in cameras, microphones and speakers, no display. AI features would be offloaded to smartphone in the cloud, essentially Meta Ray-Bans. Yeah, but not Meta, so there's that. Yeah, like, I'm not gonna lie.
30:45 Speaker 04 They don't need glasses, okay? I, I, I mean, they don't need cameras, because I prompt an AI once every two days, minimum. Okay, I'm a heavy AI user. Never once have I given it a prompt that required a photograph. Sure, sometimes I take screenshots and include that in my prompt.
31:03 Andrew Manganelli? You've never uploaded a photo?
31:04 Speaker 04 Never. I've uploaded screenshots, I've uploaded screenshots of my computer screen, but never once have I ever needed an AI that the input needed a photo. And I'm sorry, the only reason these stupid glasses have cameras is because they know they're gonna sell all the data they illegally scrape from their life.
31:20 Andrew Manganelli? While that is true, I think it might only be you that has never uploaded a photo to one of these. Also, guys, you can just take pictures and videos without AI needing to send it to AI. I want these because there's so many times.
31:32 Speaker 04 Your glasses, you can do it with your phone.
31:34 Andrew Manganelli? Not if I'm holding Wayne with two hands.
31:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, so there's a lot of, I will, I will just. I will remind you that the number one use case of the Meta Ray-Bans for most people is first-person hands-free video.
31:46 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
31:46 Speaker 01 It's 1,000% what most people buy those glasses for.
31:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, they probably don't use the AI most of the time.
31:51 Speaker 01 There, there is like, always gonna be the argument of, I can do this with my phone, because most stuff that these tiny computers can do, you have a computer in your pocket, they can do all of that already. But there's this race for like, putting the thing on your face, because, kinda like AI, a lot of them believe that this is the next frontier of computing or whatever. And if the smartphone's gonna die and it's gonna be glasses next, well, I better get in now. So they're all, they're all trying it, they're all getting in something on the ground floor to have a first-gen glasses product in the next year.
32:19 Speaker 01 What will Nothing's advantage be? Seems like they're gonna, I mean, they do design, so they're gonna probably have some fun with design.
32:25 David Imel? Do you think Google will announce the Gemini glasses at I O this year? Like officially?
32:29 Speaker 01 I think that would feel about right, because we've heard about this like being worked on for a while, and we've seen it.
32:35 David Imel? They had demos at I O last year.
32:36 Speaker 01 I think they're very useful. I think the the feature that I got the most of a kick out of was like coming out of the subway or coming off of like getting out of a taxi and having maps navigation, like look through the camera and figure out where you're oriented and put an arrow where you're supposed to be going right away. That's super useful, and I feel like the Google ones-
32:54 David Imel? It's like Google Glass did this in 2012.
32:56 Speaker 01 Well, Google Glass would not oriented on the display in front of me. It would show me like what street I should be looking for, and then I'd look for the street sign. Not that that's that difficult, but it's just the magic of I pop out and it's like, go this way.
33:10 David Imel? Yeah.
33:11 Speaker 01 Pretty sweet.
33:12 David Imel? Yeah.
33:12 Speaker 01 So like, they're gonna all try to come up with their own killer features and their own reasons for why you should buy their version. Am I shocked that Nothing's making this? No. Uh, they also are the same ones that were like, we don't have to have a flagship phone every year just because everyone's doing it.
33:26 David Imel? But they gotta make glasses, though.
33:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, Carl Pei is also a big, big AI guy, so.
33:31 Speaker 02 Yeah, but I genuinely believe that if they release these glasses without any internet connection and just the ability to record with glasses, they will sell just as many.
33:41 David Imel? That's true.
33:41 Andrew Manganelli? I agree.
33:42 David Imel? I agree with that.
33:43 Andrew Manganelli? I am essentially excited for these because, one, I think Nothing does make cool looking products. I think these might look pretty cool.
33:50 David Imel? They're like dorky.
33:50 Andrew Manganelli? I think these are going to be cheaper because it's nothing, which is like, then I wouldn't feel bad paying that money because I would just be wearing them as sunglasses. I'm not the, I don't feel like wearing fake lenses and fake glasses like indoors for everything, so I would just buy these as sunglasses. And honestly, the AI is probably gonna suck because it's nothing, so I don't care. I just want to take some videos with Lane sometimes, like first person videos where I can use both my hands. And like, this will probably be cheaper, and also, I'll still give Nothing a ton of credit for this. Both their new phones has a red recording light on it. So hopefully these glasses will have an actual real recording light. So people can tell when you're recording on glasses. It would be so funny and it wouldn't also not surprise me. Yeah.
34:34 Speaker 01 We're like, I think appropriately assigning a lot of the attributes of nothing's current phones to what we think these glasses will have.
34:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
34:41 Speaker 01 And like the headphones too. Did you like the headphone design? I'm trying to remember.
34:44 Andrew Manganelli? So I, I, no, I like the earbud design.
34:47 Speaker 01 The earbud design.
34:48 David Imel? I like the headphone design.
34:49 Speaker 01 So like.
34:49 Andrew Manganelli? It's fine.
34:50 Speaker 01 Most people with glasses on your face, I'm guessing here, but they kind of want them to sort of fade away and just like look like glasses and not draw too much attention.
34:58 Andrew Manganelli? No, I want glyphs on mine.
35:00 Speaker 01 I was like, cause there's other people who would like, you could get the transparent glasses. You can have the computer showing and the lights and all this.
35:06 Andrew Manganelli? Those are the best Meta Ray-Bans. The clear ones were the best looking Meta Ray-Bans.
35:10 Speaker 01 They were the most hype.
35:11 David Imel? I think they were the coolest ones. Look, what I was just about to say is I, all of you people that bought those limited edition clear ones, I know you think they look cool. They really don't. Oh, they're sick.
35:20 Andrew Manganelli? They look, they're so.
35:21 Speaker 01 Oh my god. It depends on where you are. It's very specific to where you are. If you are walking around a place where lots of other people have Meta Ray-Bans, then it's cool to have the one that looks a little different.
35:31 David Imel? Sure, on Meta's campus.
35:33 Speaker 01 On Meta's campus mostly is where I was like experiencing this. But if you're just kind of like out around in a normal place, having the computer on your glasses look, computer on your face look is not as appreciated.
35:47 Speaker 01 It was like the same thing with Google Glass. Like Google Glass, when I was testing them as a student in, in Hoboken, New Jersey, I remember walking around like Hoboken, wearing Google Glass.
35:58 David Imel? Yeah.
35:58 Speaker 01 Feeling unbelievably self-conscious because like I, I feel everyone looking at me. I'm wearing a computer on my face, but like you guys don't know, like I got the directions up here. Like I got the notifications up here.
36:09 Andrew Manganelli? It's like the meme of the guy in the corner of the party. They don't know I have a computer on my face.
36:14 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was such an isolating, like weirdly antisocial thing.
36:19 Andrew Manganelli? That's what I'm looking for.
36:20 Speaker 01 But now this is going to be the thing where like if glasses blow up and everyone has glasses, then the design actually becomes a part of like why you might pick one over the other.
36:28 Andrew Manganelli? If I'm just always, well, no, I'll look like a creep if it's just always recording. But if you're recording, no one's going to want to come up and talk to me.
36:34 Speaker 01 The design is very important. That's why Google is partnering with like Gentle Monster, you know?
36:38 David Imel? Like Meta did Ray-Ban. It's gonna be the, you know, it's gonna be the car-phone collab of the glasses world.
36:46 Speaker 01 Yeah, and you're putting a computer on their face, you need it. I think everyone has to partner with some existing, like, "We make glasses people want to buy" company, because I just, like, Google learned from this from Glass already. They had a compelling product that was not only 15 years too early, but nobody wants to wear an obvious computer on your face.
37:05 David Imel? Yeah.
37:06 Speaker 01 So if you just have it in glasses, and it just looks like regular glasses, you're already at the peak of what people want.
37:12 David Imel? Yeah.
37:13 Speaker 01 So, we'll see some of that.
37:14 Andrew Manganelli? Dibs on Revenant.
37:16 David Imel? Maybe I shouldn't go there.
37:17 Andrew Manganelli? If they're clear, I don't.
37:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, I O is, what, June?
37:21 David Imel? It's June... No, sorry, it's May 17th.
37:25 Speaker 01 I'm expecting Android, Gemini, and AI glasses. It's mostly just AI.
37:31 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. But I mean, they showed off the glasses early last year at I O. So I feel like they gotta be ready to launch them, right?
37:40 Speaker 01 Um, not necessarily.
37:43 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, sometimes they just show stuff off. I mean, Meta's like eating everybody's lunch right now.
37:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
37:47 David Imel? They're like three years ahead of everybody else.
37:50 Speaker 01 It was funny, Meta showed off the stuff they were working on, and then suddenly it was, you could buy it, which was crazy.
37:55 David Imel? Yeah.
37:55 Speaker 01 So, yeah, we'll see.
37:57 David Imel? All right.
37:57 Speaker 01 Speaking of Google, quick thing, we did see some Pixel 11 leak renders start to pop out, and shocker, a lot of similarities to the Pixel 10, like, a lot.
38:10 David Imel? No way.
38:10 Speaker 01 Matter of fact, I saw it, I saw it on my timeline, and I thought, oh, another Pixel 10.
38:15 David Imel? That's what it looks like, same color.
38:17 Speaker 01 I honestly just saw thinner bezels and more RAM. That's all I saw, as like, expected new things.
38:24 Andrew Manganelli? What I saw, so it's from on leaks, the CAD drawings that are then rendered. It does seem like maybe thinner bezels. It also will be 0.1 millimeter thinner than the Pixel 10, but don't get too excited, because the Pixel 9 was already 0.1 millimeter. This is the same dimension as the Pixel 9, just Pixel 10 had to maybe be a little thicker because of the battery, or the magnets.
38:44 David Imel? 0.1 millimeters.
38:46 Andrew Manganelli? Some of this stuff, and this is really early and not confirmed... But I'm still seeing people say this is gonna be 128GB base storage. And Google, I promise you, if it comes out 128GB base storage, same price, I will do everything in my power to convince Mark has to give this bust of the year because it deserves it. I tried real hard last time, but 16E came out.
39:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:11 Andrew Manganelli? I will lose my [BLEEP].
39:13 Speaker 01 I think if, because I'm again assigning what would happen in the past to the future. I think if Tensor G6 is again underwhelming and not much of a, you know, big improvement from G5. And it's the same price and it's the same cameras and it's the same design, same dimensions, same features and same battery and same 128GB of storage. I think that takes the front for bust of the year so far. Like what worst deal has come out so far?
39:41 David Imel? Something worse will happen, I guarantee.
39:43 Speaker 01 I'm pretty sure something worse. It's only April. It's like, we got plenty of time.
39:46 David Imel? We have a lot of time.
39:46 Speaker 01 But that would be incredibly disappointing, I would say.
39:48 David Imel? Um, I will say, and this is just on the renders, so nobody really knows, but people are saying that it doesn't seem like there's a thermometer sensor on it anymore.
39:56 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no.
39:57 David Imel? So, you know, if you were cooking your meat with your pixel, then RIP to you. Guess you can't do that anymore.
40:06 Speaker 01 I'm surprised it's not already gone.
40:08 Andrew Manganelli? I, I don't want to go, I don't know if it's actually 128GB base, but if it is.
40:14 Speaker 01 We'll see. We'll give him a chance. We'll give him a chance.
40:16 Andrew Manganelli? If Apple is really the like, the budget, not budget, not budget, I did not say budget. Price, price conscious, big player in the US in 2026. We've lost the plot.
40:27 Speaker 01 Hey, watch SE, 17E, Neo, iPad.
40:32 Andrew Manganelli? Even just base 17 was great.
40:34 Speaker 01 Base 17, yeah, true. Okay.
40:36 Andrew Manganelli? Andrew, Apple show over here. That's crazy.
40:39 Speaker 01 Well, you know what's, you know what's the opposite of changing a lot every time? You know what's super consistent?
40:45 David Imel? Thing we do every single time.
40:46 Speaker 01 Trivia.
40:48 David Imel? It's consistent that we always get it wrong.
40:50 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:51 David Imel? Of course. We gotta do an extravaganza soon, by the way.
40:53 Andrew Manganelli? Soon.
40:54 Speaker 04 Soon. We had a, we had a conversation about extravaganza yesterday.
41:00 David Imel? It's exciting.
41:00 Speaker 04 But it probably, we probably won't see an extravaganza till June. That's when I think it makes the most sense. So you'll have many more weeks to stock up on points.
41:09 David Imel? That's what Trailer Manifesto told me, and then it didn't happen till a year later.
41:12 Speaker 01 You start studying.
41:13 Speaker 04 There will be, there will be another trivia extravaganza in 2026.
41:18 Speaker 02 It will return in Avengers.
41:19 Speaker 04 Yeah. But we are, we are reaching the point where it's getting really hard to come up with extravaganza questions because we've done a few too many of them.
41:28 David Imel? No.
41:30 Speaker 04 But guys.
41:31 David Imel? Yes.
41:32 Speaker 04 We just talked about yet another Pixel leak. Seems like pixels leak more than...
41:40 David Imel? My faucet.
41:42 Speaker 04 I, I was gonna say, I don't know anything that's notorious for leaking, other than pixels, frankly.
41:46 Andrew Manganelli? Plodd.
41:49 Speaker 04 Sitting right in front of me. But, but, but, there was an iPhone that didn't just leak, leaked so badly that Gizmodo was able to do a full teardown because they found it left at a bar.
42:06 David Imel? Yeah, we know this.
42:07 Speaker 04 Which iPhone was it?
42:09 David Imel? Simple.
42:10 Andrew Manganelli? I remember this.
42:10 David Imel? Simple questions deserve simple points.
42:13 Speaker 01 There are so many other stories that spiraled out of this story.
42:17 David Imel? Yeah.
42:18 Speaker 01 This is like an all-time tech story.
42:20 David Imel? Steve Jobs called this man.
42:21 Speaker 01 Like, we'll never, we're never gonna get another leak story like this one.
42:25 David Imel? I don't think so. I think this is the penultimate.
42:27 Speaker 01 Yeah. This is what everyone who does leaks now dreams of.
42:31 Speaker 04 Yeah. The engineer that leaked that phone, he, he vanished in sort of just like, oh.
42:40 Andrew Manganelli? Also, I don't even know if leakers dream of it, because didn't they sue the hell out of the guy who took it from the bar?
42:45 Speaker 01 A lot, yeah.
42:46 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
42:46 Speaker 01 They definitely sued him.
42:47 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
42:48 Speaker 01 Uh, because it was stolen property. The, the police got involved, there's a whole thing.
42:51 David Imel? Yeah.
42:51 Speaker 01 Those of you who know the story already know which phone it was.
42:54 David Imel? Yeah.
42:54 Speaker 01 If you don't, you're gonna find out.
42:56 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know what phone it was.
42:58 Speaker 01 You'll find out by the end of this episode, baby.
43:00 David Imel? The ones who know.
43:00 Speaker 01 Enters at the end like usual.
43:02 David Imel? We'll be right back.
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45:16 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. We've got to settle something here. Last week on the pod, I mentioned, and it may or may not have been the title, that Flighty was a top five app of all time. Unbelievably useful, super good. If you use it, you know. And it turned out to be kind of a hot take. There's a lot of people who like a lot of other apps. I decided it would be fun if we all, actually Andrew decided this, if we all brought our top five apps to the table.
45:38 Andrew Manganelli? It's kind of calling your bluff. I want to see if you're really going to put it in your top five apps when we make you list your top five.
45:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, I actually, I actually thought about it now for a while. I went through both, I went through both my iPhone and my Android phone, and I did, I really thought about this. And I've got my top five apps and my honorable mentions. If it's not in the top five, Flighty's gonna be really sad.
45:58 Speaker 01 Because I tweeted about it last week. Really good point. I can start it off if you want.
46:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, we, we all, I asked everyone to do this. So that's what we're gonna do. We're all gonna do our top five.
46:07 Speaker 04 So, there's one question I had about this, because you, you specified mobile apps, not desktop apps. Does that include tablet apps? Because that, yes, because that alters my, my list.
46:20 Andrew Manganelli? My question on desktop apps is, is that not just software? You know, I guess it's just like.
46:26 Speaker 01 But there's so many like web apps. When I hear app, I think. Top five progressive web apps of all time.
46:33 Speaker 01 I also think there's not that many good apps.
46:34 Andrew Manganelli? The spirit of it in my eyes was mobile.
46:36 Speaker 01 Really good.
46:36 Speaker 04 Okay, then I'm gonna do, I'm gonna do only phones. So no, no staff ad, no procreate.
46:42 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, yeah, let's go just mobile phone.
46:44 Speaker 01 Okay, top five mobile phone apps. I have my top five. I'm gonna give my honorable mentions first that just barely missed my top five. Copilot, finance app. There's a lot, there's a lot of apps like it. Not, not Microsoft Copilot.
46:58 Andrew Manganelli? Damn it.
47:00 Speaker 01 There's a lot of apps like it, but it's just, it's the best one. What is it? It's a, it helps you, you log into your accounts, your bank accounts. You can see all of your transactions and source, sort through things, budget through things, keep, keep an eye on it. There's lots of apps like it, but this is one of the best ones, in my opinion, it's the best one. Subscription. I think there's a subscription tier. I don't want to comment, let me see.
47:20 Speaker 04 There is a subscription tier. I pay for it. It's.
47:23 Speaker 01 Is it worth it?
47:24 Speaker 04 It's $9. It was worth it.
47:26 Speaker 01 $9?
47:26 Speaker 04 Mine broke recently, and I've been going back and forth with their support for about three months, trying to get it fixed. And they just sort of were like, yeah, it doesn't work. And I was just sort of like.
47:37 Speaker 01 Neither does my credit card.
47:39 Speaker 04 It's on my credit card. It stopped syncing with my Venmo. And so my Venmo transactions don't show up in my Copilot anymore, which is like not like I can still keep track of my finances, but it's really annoying that it worked for years, stopped working, and they're just sort of like, no, it's a backend issue. We just can't fix it.
47:56 Andrew Manganelli? That's one of those things where like, if the whole point of the app is to do everything, and then it loses one of them, it severely stresses.
48:04 Speaker 04 I'm still a big fan of Copilot. It's just.
48:05 Speaker 01 Yeah.
48:06 Speaker 04 It stopped working.
48:07 Speaker 01 In finance, there is a lot of extra work in the backend sync stuff. I happen to know like people who work for these companies, and it is a lot of work. So yes, stuff does periodically break with it, but it is super useful to me. So it's in my honorable mentions.
48:21 Speaker 04 All right.
48:21 Speaker 01 Athletic also makes my honorable mentions.
48:23 Speaker 04 What's that?
48:24 Speaker 01 It essentially takes all of the data my Apple Watch is collecting and formats them and displays them in different ways. Kind of like Whoop. Like it shows me a lot of the same scores and like calculates like how much exertion I can do today, when I should work out, all these other things, how much sleep is factoring in. Really useful for anyone who's an athlete and wants to keep track of a whole bunch of stuff.
48:44 Andrew Manganelli? That's $2 a month versus $239 a month.
48:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is going to be a theme. A lot of these are subscriptions.
48:49 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna yell about Whoop after the break.
48:50 Speaker 01 You said $239 a month? No.
48:52 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry, a year.
48:53 Speaker 01 Oh, thank God. That's still, wait.
48:55 Andrew Manganelli? I'll talk, trust me, I'm gonna yell about it at the end of this episode. I have a whole Whoop section.
49:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, so Athletic's good. It's also iPhone only like Copilot. Blip. Blip, I discovered this year.
49:08 Speaker 04 Already?
49:08 Speaker 01 It's in my honorable mentions. We've been airdropping things to each other in the studio for so long, and it's kind of a running joke of how, maybe it's just the environment we're in. Like, there's like 20 airdrop devices within range of any one of these. So you open airdrop and suddenly things start popping up and you try to click one and it moves and you actually get the one you want, and then it doesn't work or it declines, even though they never saw the notification. Airdrop is just, it's supposed to be great, but it's kind of fidgety in the studio. And Blip is just, it's money every single time. File transfer app, super useful. So Blip's honorable mention.
49:39 Andrew Manganelli? Incredible.
49:40 Speaker 01 Geekbench. I use it enough and it's been good for long enough. I'm on Geekbench 6. I paid for Geekbench Pro. I regularly use Geekbench in videos. You guys are familiar with this already. Geekbench honorable mention. YouTube.
49:54 Andrew Manganelli? Where? YouTube.
49:56 Speaker 01 My last honorable mention is YouTube.
49:57 Andrew Manganelli? Last honorable.
49:58 Speaker 01 Oh, honorable mention. Wait, so you're gonna do like 10 apps? Yeah. Just, these are just ones that are close and I thought, you know, they have like slide downsides didn't make it, but YouTube is, is obviously great. Uh, my top five. In no particular order.
50:10 Andrew Manganelli? What? No, it, it literally has to be in an order.
50:14 Speaker 01 It's not in order.
50:14 Andrew Manganelli? This has to be in order.
50:15 Speaker 01 I can't put these in.
50:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, you can.
50:17 Speaker 01 Does that mean you have to start at five and go up to one? I can try, but I might regret, I might regret my top five. Alright, number five.
50:26 Andrew Manganelli? Don't edit that.
50:29 Speaker 01 Um. Okay, number five, Relay for Reddit. Dude, fu- ah. It's an Android app. Yeah. Uh, it's the best Android Reddit app by a mile. It's so good. It's awesome. It has a paid tier. It's worth it. If you use Reddit, if you sort through things, it's just, it's super useful. It's a no question top five Android app ever, and it's in my top five. Waze. Waze is kind of not the prettiest app. It's not. But it is one of the most functional. It's crowdsourced. It has all of your potholes and all of your closed roads and all of your routing and everything. Traps. Every, most of the reason people want CarPlay is so they can put Waze instead of Google Maps on their car screen. Mm-hmm. Waze is goaded.
51:12 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, wait. I almost put Google Maps in.
51:14 Speaker 01 Hmm.
51:15 Andrew Manganelli? Google Maps has everything from Waze now. It's like all officially in it.
51:20 Speaker 01 Almost.
51:21 Andrew Manganelli? What doesn't it have?
51:22 Speaker 01 A lot of the smaller, like, granular, like, what it's alerting you about things, like, Google will say things like, I don't think it does potholes.
51:29 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, there's like object in road.
51:31 Speaker 01 It does object on road. It does.
51:32 Andrew Manganelli? I'm not 100% sure about potholes, but I would assume it comes in.
51:35 Speaker 01 I've never been in Google Map, uh, to be fair, I haven't used Maps as much lately, but fog, bad weather, flooding on the road, closed roads.
51:42 Andrew Manganelli? Visibility, closed roads. Do you know what the one I don't notice, which I'm fine with, is the, like, vehicle stopped on side of road, which on Waze is every three miles, it feels like, and.
51:53 Speaker 01 It does get annoying, and I wish I could be even more granular with like what it notifies me about, but I still think Waze is goaded. Dude, if a vehicle's stopping on your shoulder, you probably gotta go to the hospital. Jesus Christ.
52:03 Speaker 02 Wait, quick question about these, because I was debating using Google Maps in my top five as well. But that's almost like a utility to me at this point. Does that count?
52:10 Speaker 01 If the app is good enough, I think you should count it. It's kind of like YouTube.
52:15 Speaker 01 Number three, Flighty. Flighty, it's, we talked about it last week. If you fly enough, Flighty is unquestion- it's like, it's almost a utility.
52:25 Speaker 02 Even if you don't fly enough, like, I just like looking back at my passport and looking at the different places and trips and stuff.
52:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, the rewind, the whole thing. I need someone to convince me that it's worth it. Flighty? Yeah. Oh, my god. Next time you fly, like, get on a trial. You could probably get like a trial version of it. I used the trial, and I was like, what's the value of this? But I don't under- I mean, it's a great. It's great. Looking app. You're gonna be on a flight that gets delayed, and you know from Flighty 45 minutes before everyone's sitting at the gate knows, and you get to rebook your flight before everyone else does. And you're gonna go, wow, I'm glad I had Flighty.
52:58 Speaker 02 Are you speaking from experience?
52:59 Speaker 01 Yes. Literally, that's happened to me. Alright. Alright, two more. Number two,
53:07 Speaker 01 Tic Tic. My task app.
53:09 Speaker 02 Saw that one coming.
53:10 Speaker 01 You know, there's a lot of task apps like this, there's a lot of planning apps, there's a lot of calendar apps. This is just the one I keep coming back to, and I do constantly try to switch to other ones. Superlist almost made my honorable mentions. But Tic Tic is just that goat. It's just that goat. So I'm putting that in my top five. Number one, Carrot Weather. Number one? And I'm not like, I'm not locking in the order of my top five. But Carrot Weather is by such a margin my most often used weather app that it's not even, it's not even really close. It has essentially stolen the layout from Dark Sky, which no one else has really cloned. I don't know if it's like not allowed to clone it, or if they're just the only ones bold enough to do it.
53:54 Speaker 01 But they've one-to-one cloned the layout from Dark Sky, which was incredibly intuitive, the data's super accurate, the radar's really good, a lot of these apps are really good, and then the radar sucks. It's good radar, good multiple sources. It's just a default app on my phone. It's also unfortunately iPhone-only, but that's my top five. It's a bunch of iPhone apps and one Android app, top five apps of all time. Tear my list apart. Anybody have any objections?
54:17 Speaker 02 No YouTube, no YouTube Studios?
54:19 Andrew Manganelli? YouTube is honorable mention.
54:20 Speaker 01 YouTube honorable mention. YouTube Studios, pretty good. It's not, it is, it kind of does feel like utility to me, but yeah, it is, it's good. But it's not like-
54:31 Speaker 01 Amazing. I don't know. It's fine. It does what I want it to. I never really, I actually don't like editing descriptions and metadata in the Studio app because I've had to truncate my input before. So I have a long description and then I'll edit it from the app and I'll hit submit. And then I'll view it on the desktop and it cuts off like after however many characters.
54:49 David Imel? Oh.
54:50 Speaker 01 So I've had issues with the app before.
54:51 David Imel? Yeah, there's also some things you can only do in the YouTube Studio app on your phone. Like you can only add thumbnails to shorts in the YouTube Studio app.
54:59 Speaker 01 No, I can only do that in the YouTube app.
55:01 David Imel? The YouTube app.
55:02 Speaker 01 The YouTube Studio app, I can't change the thumbnail, but when I go into the YouTube app and go into my videos and I go to edit, that's where I can change the thumbnail of a short. Isn't that weird?
55:09 David Imel? You'd think they'd have- It's not weird for Google.
55:11 Andrew Manganelli? I guess they do. I swear it sometimes feels like YouTube doesn't have that many actual creators on their platform because the amount of things that are just broken for-
55:20 David Imel? Yeah, well, they have different teams for YouTube Studio and YouTube-
55:23 Andrew Manganelli? Where's the chapters?
55:24 Speaker 01 Probably different buildings.
55:25 David Imel? Yeah, probably different buildings. Chapters.
55:27 Andrew Manganelli? I know you're out, I know there's creators out there. We know one of them very well, but like-
55:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, if they add chapters, I'd add this to my-
55:33 Andrew Manganelli? If you- Justice for chapters UI.
55:38 David Imel? Yeah, actually, just add a UI for chapters, please.
55:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:41 David Imel? Like a real one.
55:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
55:43 David Imel? Like, why, why wouldn't you do that? I, I, I found out recently that it really, really helps to add chapters because then Google Search can index the chapters. So that when you, someone asks a question on Google Search, it'll bring you to the exact spot because it knows what the chapter was about.
55:59 Speaker 01 Huge.
56:00 David Imel? It's helpful and yet you still have to just put timestamps in the description and then it breaks 85% of the time.
56:07 Speaker 01 Talk about breaks a lot.
56:08 David Imel? We do it every week.
56:09 Speaker 01 Every week on this podcast.
56:10 David Imel? Every week. And what is the number one tweet getting sent to us? Chapters? Why are there no chapters?
56:16 Andrew Manganelli? Our comment section backs us up now at least. Usually now it's like, this is great, chapter's working as of time.
56:23 David Imel? If, if you see somebody and they're complaining about us not having chapters, please tell them what's going on. Please inform them, educate them.
56:31 Speaker 01 So there it is. That's my list.
56:32 David Imel? Okay. I have two honorable mentions. Number one, of the honorable mentions, Google Opinion Rewards. Hmm. Oh. Okay. Damn, that's a good one. Deep cut. All time. This is a deep cut. That was really awesome. If you don't know what Google Opinion Rewards is, it's been around since like 2010. It's freaking amazing. It came out very soon after Android came out. It will periodically, based on your search data, based on other things, location data, whatever, send you a little survey. And it's usually one to, sometimes it can be up to like 12 questions. Weirdly enough, it, so it pays you money, which is cool. Weirdly enough, it pays you based on the amount of questions you answered. So if you just lie to it, it'll keep giving you more questions. Don't do that, don't do that.
57:17 David Imel? I don't do that. But, the only app that I have a subscription for on my phone that isn't part of like a family bundle or something, is the Pokemon Trading Card Game app.
57:30 David Imel? And, Google Opinion Rewards pays for my subscription for that, which is pretty awesome. That's the only app you have a subscription for? Uh, that isn't part of like a family plan. So like, I have a Google Family Plan. YouTube. That has YouTube Premium in it. Spotify? I don't, I don't have Spotify, YouTube Music, which is part of the. Oh, I see. And then I have the Apple One Family Plan, which also comes with Apple Music, that kind of stuff. But I don't, we talked about this in the car at South By or something, I only have like, one subscription that isn't part of other stuff. Yeah, I'm terrified of subscriptions. Anyway. Honorable mention, if you're not using Google Opinion Rewards, you should be using it because it gives you at least one like every couple of days. Sometimes it gives you like five.
58:15 David Imel? Yeah, most people forgot it was still around. Other thing, if you have multiple phones, you can set it up on the same account with multiple phones and it'll serve you like multiple, it's crazy. I mean, I don't do that. They're essentially scamming. Big client farming. I know, I don't do that. But anyway, it's great. Okay. Honorable mention number two? Telegram. I know, okay, the stickers and the emoji are all animated. It's so awesome. It's so amazing. Telegram is cross-platform, it's got a desktop app. Yeah, you can get your porn bots anywhere. It's amazing. Well, I pay, oh, I, oh.
58:56 Speaker 01 We didn't even get one app further.
58:58 David Imel? No, I realize I do have another subscription. It's Telegram Premium.
59:01 Speaker 01 Wow.
59:02 David Imel? Because it's like $20 a year, but it completely removes the porn apps, porn bots.
59:06 Speaker 01 It makes it usable, basically.
59:07 David Imel? Yeah, it makes it usable. Because there is a feature in Telegram Premium where you can charge people to message you if they're not in your contacts already.
59:15 Speaker 01 Wow.
59:16 David Imel? Yeah, so it's like, you can spam me, but you gotta pay.
59:20 Speaker 01 Wow.
59:21 David Imel? You know, which is pretty cool. No one has ever paid. Uh, okay, now we're on to the actual apps and this might be a top five, like in order of actual best.
59:32 Speaker 01 You made me pick a five.
59:33 David Imel? I didn't, Andrew did.
59:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:35 David Imel? Yeah, that's right.
59:36 Speaker 01 Agreed.
59:37 David Imel? Number five, Libby.
59:39 Speaker 01 I had that on mine, too.
59:40 David Imel? You can use it.
59:41 Speaker 01 No, I took it off, it's fine.
59:42 David Imel? Uh, Libby is great, is a library app. It's so good. In New York City, it's amazing because we have three public libraries and you can get a library card for all three of them. And Libby will let you rent eBooks, it'll let you rent audiobooks. Um, it just has so many resources. I think you might get like a free New York Times subscription if you're part of the Brooklyn Public Library or something. It's pretty awesome. So, it's a great app and I can't believe it's free. Very cool. Number four, Relay for Reddit. Uh, also, I used Relay for so, so, so long and eventually they did go subscription because of the Redditpocalypse.
1:00:19 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:00:20 David Imel? Um, my honorable mention for Reddit would be obviously Christian Selig's app, Apollo. Rest in pieces. Uh, number three, Nova Launcher.
1:00:31 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:00:32 David Imel? Yeah.
1:00:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, that is an app.
1:00:33 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah, I think, uh...
1:00:35 Speaker 01 So RIP.
1:00:36 David Imel? I was looking at, because I was just trying to rack my brain this morning for like, what are the most popular apps? You know Nova Launcher is one of the most downloaded apps of all time with over 5 million downloads.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 I could see that because of all time, there's such a long period of like the last 15 years where everyone who didn't have a Google phone but wanted a better launcher, like all the TouchWiz phones, that's the first thing I installed on all those phones.
1:00:59 David Imel? Yeah, totally.
1:01:00 Speaker 01 And a lot of people did the same thing.
1:01:01 David Imel? Totally.
1:01:02 Speaker 01 So good.
1:01:03 David Imel? Uh, number two, Viewfinder Preview. This is an app that I use to frame my film photos for when my cameras don't have viewfinders, uh, like my 3D printed cameras. It's really, really good. You can do various different aspect ratios. You can test things. You can take sample pictures with it. It's super basic, but I use it literally every week and I've been using it every week for like six years. So I think it's worth being in my top five. Number one for me, Pocket Casts. I think, uh, I think Pocket Casts is probably the greatest app ever made.
1:01:37 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
1:01:37 David Imel? It's really, really old.
1:01:39 Andrew Manganelli? Multi-platform.
1:01:40 David Imel? It's multi-platform. It has a web app. Uh, it has been passed around. It used to be owned by NPR for a while. Now it's owned by, uh, what are they called? The people that do make WordPress. Automatic. Automatic. Uh, but it is a really insanely good UI.
1:01:56 Andrew Manganelli? You don't pay for plus.
1:01:57 David Imel? So the thing about it, and no, I don't. I bought it for $7 in 2012 or whenever, cause they had a one time, cause subscriptions were not very popular back then. So I bought it for $7 and then when I switched to subscription, anyone who had bought it for $7 got the pro version for free for life.
1:02:18 Andrew Manganelli? Nice.
1:02:18 David Imel? So I'm grandfathered in. So I actually don't know what the free version of Pocket Casts is like. So I'm sorry if it sucks, but, uh, I just think it's just.
1:02:27 Andrew Manganelli? It's pretty good. You just can't do like folders and stuff.
1:02:29 David Imel? Insanely good podcast app. Why would you need that?
1:02:33 Andrew Manganelli? That's the best, that's a good app though, is when like the subscription thing is really for a power user, but the free version gives you like 90% of what it is already.
1:02:42 David Imel? Totally.
1:02:42 Andrew Manganelli? That's a good app.
1:02:43 David Imel? So not as exciting as Mark has as weather apps, but.
1:02:47 Andrew Manganelli? Agreed.
1:02:47 David Imel? Yeah. What you got, Andrew?
1:02:50 Andrew Manganelli? All right, let's go. Number five, no honorable mentions here. If it is not in this list, it's a dog water app.
1:02:56 David Imel? Wow.
1:02:58 Andrew Manganelli? Number five, Taco Bell.
1:03:01 David Imel? What?
1:03:02 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. I don't actually use it that much.
1:03:04 David Imel? The app's that good?
1:03:05 Andrew Manganelli? The app is actually pretty solid.
1:03:07 David Imel? You're not jaded by the restaurant.
1:03:08 Andrew Manganelli? I usually, I'm totally jaded by the restaurant, but.
1:03:11 David Imel? Why are you jaded by the restaurant?
1:03:13 Andrew Manganelli? Or I'm shilling for the restaurant. I don't know. Like, I like this app because of the restaurant.
1:03:18 David Imel? Of course.
1:03:19 Andrew Manganelli? But Taco Bell has the most times that I want to add things onto like different items. And I am way too embarrassed to say that in the drive through. Therefore, this is the app that I use out of all of them. I'm a plus potatoes, plus jalapenos, plus this, minus that, whatever. I ain't saying all that in the drive through because there's no way it gets it right. App.
1:03:40 Speaker 04 Dude, it's, it's the only fast food app that works a hundred percent of the time. There's no upsell, pop up, like all other fast food restaurants, their apps are like so brutally just unusable. And I mean, I say unusable from like the, I'm spoiled. Like it just, things are kind of slow and choppy, but still it's like.
1:03:59 David Imel? Or they send you like eight thousand push notifications.
1:04:01 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:04:02 David Imel? They all do. I'm sure Taco Bell's does. It sends you notifications.
1:04:05 Andrew Manganelli? I disable notifications on every single app that I use.
1:04:08 David Imel? Yeah, I did that too.
1:04:09 Speaker 04 The McDonald's app dude, like a fifth of the time, it'll just only show you the breakfast menu and it's not breakfast time. So you just can't order anything. And it's like, this should be the easiest thing to figure out as an app. What time is it not breakfast?
1:04:23 David Imel? Why does McDonald's only do breakfast between certain times?
1:04:26 Speaker 04 I don't know. I'm sorry, Andrew.
1:04:27 Andrew Manganelli? All day breakfast?
1:04:28 Speaker 04 You really struck a chord here.
1:04:29 Andrew Manganelli? No, no. Well, Taco Bell's has got to be easy because there's only essentially seven ingredients on the entire menu and it's just a different version of that. Can we talk about the Popeyes thing on the podcast?
1:04:39 David Imel? No, don't, no, we don't want people to know about this.
1:04:41 Andrew Manganelli? All right, nevermind. I have no idea what they're talking about, but that's okay. Number four, I don't use, but I'm gonna hype it up anyways.
1:04:50 David Imel? Interesting.
1:04:50 Andrew Manganelli? Old school RuneScape app. This is a game that has been around for so long. That is the most simple web browser game from like 2007. They relaunched it years ago. They're still updating this game. It has a huge user base and because it's so simple, it makes sense on an iPad or a phone. The other thing about it is it is the most grind intensive, time consuming, AFK-able like game possible. That being able to go on your computer and do different like boss battles or quests or stuff that are more intensive. And then just wood cut to 99 on your phone without paying attention is perfect. Now you don't.
1:05:30 David Imel? It's like having an extra job.
1:05:32 Andrew Manganelli? It basically is, but this lets RuneScape people go outside because now you can still grind XP and touch this, touch grass. Yeah.
1:05:41 David Imel? Very important.
1:05:42 Andrew Manganelli? Although I was also looking, this has like 5 million plus downloads on the Play Store.
1:05:47 David Imel? Oh.
1:05:47 Andrew Manganelli? Great rating, except apparently like within the last month is the login's completely broken on Android. So, uh, Jagex, if you're listening, fix that for the homies out there. I still don't even play the game. I just watch a lot of content about it, but
1:06:01 David Imel? Nice.
1:06:02 Andrew Manganelli? The, the app seems awesome. Number three, Blip. Blip has changed everything we've done here. The amount of times I've had to pull stuff off of phones to then send to Marquez's Mac Pro to be like in a video or something. Blip has helped that so much.
1:06:18 David Imel? Everyone's so hype on Blip, but nobody's ever blipped me anything. So why is this better than Airdrop again? Can you explain?
1:06:23 Andrew Manganelli? Cross-platform.
1:06:24 David Imel? Cross-platform faster.
1:06:26 Andrew Manganelli? Different.
1:06:27 David Imel? Works every time.
1:06:28 Speaker 04 You can blip someone, someone from across the country.
1:06:30 David Imel? Oh, really?
1:06:30 Andrew Manganelli? It's all, it's not wifi dependent. It's just, you just send it.
1:06:34 David Imel? It's free?
1:06:34 Speaker 04 It checks to see if you're on the same network as someone. And if you are, it just does like local, you know? But if you're not, it goes P to P over the internet. So it's not, it's just dependent on your actual connections. Like you don't like, it's not like, oh, Dropbox is a really slow server. So I'm, no, it's just 50 to 60 megabytes per second across the country.
1:06:55 David Imel? Is there a file size limit?
1:06:57 Speaker 04 Not that I've found.
1:06:58 David Imel? That's crazy.
1:06:59 Speaker 04 I blip, I blip myself the 10 gigabyte, uh, pod audio after every session.
1:07:06 David Imel? No file size limit.
1:07:07 Andrew Manganelli? That's crazy. Blip is awesome. I'm a Blip evangelist. Yeah. I'm full on Blip. If there's Blip merch, I'll buy Blip.
1:07:17 David Imel? I'll wear it on the back.
1:07:18 Andrew Manganelli? No joke. Rufus really put us on that one.
1:07:20 David Imel? That's crazy. Yeah.
1:07:21 Andrew Manganelli? Number two, Google Tasks. Y'all change me.
1:07:24 David Imel? Wow.
1:07:25 Andrew Manganelli? Google Tasks may have like legitimately changed my life.
1:07:28 David Imel? Wow.
1:07:29 Andrew Manganelli? I, I will also argue that the simplicity of it
1:07:33 David Imel? Yeah.
1:07:33 Andrew Manganelli? has maybe helped me because I remember David Pierce, which we should bring back on again. I know he mentioned that recently on like threads.
1:07:39 David Imel? He wants to come back.
1:07:40 Andrew Manganelli? Um, it sounds like he just wants to talk about productivity apps, but that episode did great. So
1:07:44 David Imel? It did.
1:07:45 Andrew Manganelli? Come join us, David. Uh. But like being, I just have to type it in every time. At this point, a third of the time, like I just do the, the task before it even pops up because I typed it in, which like in my brain had me remember it. It works great with that. It works great with just Android Auto being able to like, remind me, do it in one hour when I get to work with all voice, not hands off the wheel at all. Like, yeah, it's changed my life.
1:08:13 Speaker 02 You saying that is gonna end up at Google I O this year.
1:08:16 Andrew Manganelli? No one.
1:08:17 Speaker 02 Andrew Mangani.
1:08:21 Andrew Manganelli? Next quote, 128 gigabytes, I will ruin you.
1:08:27 Andrew Manganelli? And then my number one is the most niche one possible, but as a disc golf player, Udisc is exactly what I was talking about before of the free version of this app, gives you 90% of the things to either find a disc golf course, record your score, do pretty much anything disc golf related. It is a super cheap sport. Anyone can do. If you want to find a course near you, it's on there. My favorite thing about it is every year they release this giant post about how many people are playing in how many different countries. And it's essentially just so people can use that data to give to their local townships, to build more disc golf courses. And if at any point you want to request the data, you can just reach out to them
1:09:08 Andrew Manganelli? and do it to try and build more community building things. So people who run that app are great. The app itself is great. There, there's a $30 a year subscription. If you want some like really premium things, like getting it on my Garmin watch. Other than that, it's free. Great app.
1:09:23 Speaker 02 Cool.
1:09:25 Andrew Manganelli? Play disc golf.
1:09:26 Speaker 02 I'll go next. So first two honorable mentions. Okay. Specifically because I'm on Android now, so they're iOS only. One of them being Flighty, like Rik has mentioned. All right, I'll download it. All right, I'll download. Flighty is great. There's a cross-platform one by Air that's also really good, but it doesn't have the new airport intelligence feature that Flighty just dropped. Yeah, so Flighty is, Flighty is goaded. The other one is Gentlestreak, which was the fitness app that I was using on Apple with my Apple Watch Ultra. It was awesome. Miss it, but now I'm on Android, so it is what it is, but. Number five for me is KWGT, which is like a widget app on Android.
1:10:08 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:10:11 Speaker 02 And that thing, I've customized so many home screens, it lets you do basically.
1:10:15 Speaker 01 What is it called?
1:10:15 Speaker 02 Powerful KWGT.
1:10:17 Speaker 01 What does it stand for?
1:10:18 Speaker 02 Great question. No idea.
1:10:19 Andrew Manganelli? It's.
1:10:20 Speaker 01 K-Widget?
1:10:21 Andrew Manganelli? Custom widget maker.
1:10:22 Speaker 02 But with a K, custom.
1:10:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, with a K.
1:10:24 Speaker 01 I've never heard of that.
1:10:25 Speaker 02 Yeah, it's awesome. If you, well, whenever you get back on Android, David, Mr. iPhone only over there, download it. It's really cool. It's a little confusing. There's like a little learning curve, but there's such a good community behind it where you could just like import widgets that other people made and it's awesome.
1:10:40 Speaker 01 That's most of what I did. Like, there is some incredibly complex widgets where I import it and I'm like, what if I just tweak this other? And I break it. I'm like, you know what?
1:10:47 Speaker 02 I'm just gonna.
1:10:47 Speaker 01 It was fine. It was fine. Yeah.
1:10:50 Speaker 02 Number four is Duolingo, just because even though I still suck at speaking other languages, it's just, it changed everything. Like gamifying apps started, I think, because of Duolingo. The widget is awesome. What happened, Andrew? You look like you're about to say something.
1:11:04 Andrew Manganelli? I thought you said duel, like D U A L lingo? Or no, no, D E U L lingo? And I was like, do they have like a Battle Royale version of this?
1:11:13 Speaker 02 Can't speak English.
1:11:14 Andrew Manganelli? Cause like.
1:11:14 Speaker 02 It's funny, speaking about language apps.
1:11:16 Andrew Manganelli? No, but if you're gamifying languages, they should make a foreign language Battle Royale game where.
1:11:22 Speaker 01 Duolingo.
1:11:22 Andrew Manganelli? Duel.
1:11:23 Speaker 02 Duelingo.
1:11:24 Speaker 01 Duelingo. It's time to duel. You just have to like curse at other people.
1:11:28 Andrew Manganelli? I know that Green Owl is listening. Send it.
1:11:30 Speaker 02 Yeah, their, their whole team is killing it with the marketing. So, uh, number three is an app that I just found and it's already in like my top all time. It's called Stellarium. It's having like a moment on TikTok, basically, but it is a, you know, those old apps that uses like the accelerometer on the phone and stuff to like, see the stars and stuff like that?
1:11:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:48 Speaker 02 It lets you zoom in and I immediately paid for the pro version because you get high version, high res images of planets and stars and stuff. So as you look around, you can zoom in on planets and see actual like images. It's, it's super dope.
1:12:03 Andrew Manganelli? Did you download this like two weeks ago when we were talking about it, getting water?
1:12:07 Speaker 02 Oh, no, no, no. I downloaded it like two weeks ago because I was seeing someone on, it was going viral like on TikTok or something. And someone was like zooming into a picture and I was like, what the hell? And then I checked the comments and they were like, yeah, this isn't a telescope. This is an app. And I immediately downloaded it.
1:12:22 Speaker 01 There, I just Googled it and their web app is unbelievable.
1:12:25 Speaker 02 Oh, I didn't even know they had a web app.
1:12:26 Andrew Manganelli? A web app? Do I lift my computer up into the sky?
1:12:29 Speaker 01 No, he just.
1:12:31 Speaker 02 But I found a Starlink. That would be crazy. That's wild. Okay. My number two app is an app called Storygraph, which is basically Goodreads from Amazon, but by an independent maker. Super awesome app. They have a lot of good features that Goodreads doesn't have because Goodreads got purchased by Amazon and Amazon forgot it existed and just hasn't done anything with it for a decade. So Goodreads, I think, is the one that everyone uses just because of like the social graph effect and everything, but highly recommend getting on Storygraph. Jess, my fiance, has found so many great books because like their recommendation algorithm is just amazing. And my number one app is Obsidian because I'm a big note taker guy and Obsidian is super complex and super
1:13:14 Speaker 02 like you can do a lot with it. It is like a local first only note taking app for desktop and Android and iOS and all this stuff. But I'm surprised at how much I get on my phone for things that I thought would like not look right or like not format correctly or something like that. Because I used to be an Android, I mean Android, Apple Notes or Samsung Notes guy. But obviously they're locked into an ecosystem. I'm trying to like pick apps that go between everything. And I use the, I think it's called Forever Notes, which is like an Apple Notes taking system that lets you link between notes to make Apple Notes way more powerful. It's a whole thing. But I replicated that in Obsidian. So now basically everything that I need
1:13:56 Speaker 02 in my life is in Obsidian. So I use Obsidian all the time and I'm always surprised at how much I'm actually able to do on it, especially in Dex mode.
1:14:07 Speaker 02 You know. And now the moments you've all been waiting for. Top apps from a one Mr. Ellis Robyn.
1:14:14 Speaker 04 All right. So guys, as you know, for a long time, iPhone 12 mini, I couldn't install apps on it.
1:14:24 Speaker 04 December 2025, I get a new phone. So I've been using apps now for three months.
1:14:29 David Imel? This is huge. Okay.
1:14:31 Speaker 04 Huge. I have a few honorable mentions because I have very fond memories of apps I used in my childhood on the iPod Touch. Just because I feel like that was like a really golden era of like weird dinky apps like.
1:14:46 David Imel? Yeah. The beer app.
1:14:47 Speaker 04 When we were backstage. Yeah, well, I was. Yeah. So the beer app, because I was gonna bring up back being backstage at a, at South by Southwest, I installed the beer app on the office iPad and chugged giant beers in front of all you guys and you laughed.
1:15:04 Speaker 04 Another, another honorable mention for me that I don't think is still in the App Store. And if it is, it's like a shell of its former self. Do you guys remember Urban Spoon?
1:15:14 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
1:15:14 Speaker 04 Yeah. I loved Urban Spoon. That was just a restaurant I went to once. Or no, Urban Spoon was a restaurant slot machine where you entered in how much money you wanted to spend. It would go. What? And then it would give you a restaurant near you. And you'd be like, that's where I'd eat, I guess.
1:15:29 David Imel? My nightmare. That reminds me. Do you, do you know the app Too Good To Go?
1:15:33 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:15:33 David Imel? Yeah. Too Good To Go is kind of like that, too. It just tells you the restaurants that are closing and they'll get rid of, they'll just be getting rid of stuff and you can get like really big meals for $7 or you can get miso soup for $7.
1:15:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:15:45 David Imel? They, you don't know what they're gonna give you. It's very random.
1:15:48 Speaker 04 Okay, but Ellis's top five. Are you ready?
1:15:51 David Imel? I'm ready. Yep.
1:15:52 Speaker 04 Number five.
1:15:53 David Imel? Blip.
1:15:55 Speaker 04 No, I did not include blip on here, even though it's just phenomenal. But number five, Discogs. It's number five because please integrate the blog posts with the app. I hate that when I click on a blog post, it opens my browser. Wait, what is it? Discogs is like Goodreads slash Letterboxd, but for music.
1:16:16 David Imel? Yeah.
1:16:16 Speaker 04 So like you can keep track, but it's a few other things. Like, so you can like log your record collection. And then also, there's like an eBay style buying and selling platform built into it. So like, you can see someone's collection if they, and then they can list something as like, you know, I'm okay getting rid of this. And then you mentioned, message them like, I'll buy this, or I'll trade this. And then you can do it all in the app. It's very cool. And then there's also like, an actual like publication side where they have, anyone can upload a blog post and then they have like staff writers that write about music. Articles are very good. They're very fun to read. They're very interesting.
1:16:50 Andrew Manganelli? I just remember one time, you came up to me, this is the only time I've ever heard of it. You're like, I'm so amped right now. It's like, why? You're like, I uploaded an album and it was the first one ever uploaded on Discord.
1:17:01 Speaker 04 Yeah, that was a big day for me. When, when, when I bought an album that was so rare, no one had, had logged it on Discogs before. So I got to scan everything and like, upload the track listing and spend like an hour of my day, being the guy. All right, number four. This is another app that I don't know if it's still in the App Store. And if it is, you absolutely should not buy it because it is the biggest, biggest privacy boo-boo of all time. It's called Fog of World. And it was this early iOS app that would just destroy your phone's battery by leaving location on all the time. This is so early in iOS that location was not like on all the time. And essentially, it was like a big map. And it would just like, that would be blank,
1:17:46 Speaker 04 like, or like white it out. And then as you would go around.
1:17:49 Andrew Manganelli? Like an RTS.
1:17:50 Speaker 04 Yeah, it would. And then so you could see every single place you've ever been. And if you travel a lot, like I, for some reason is doing as a teenager, you could like, you would zoom out to see the whole world and you'd see all these stripes. Cause you could, because if you were like me and you, you said, I don't care about your rules, you would leave your phone off of air, like not on airplane mode on flights. And you'd get these big stripes across the country.
1:18:16 Speaker 04 And then there was like, there was achievements for like all the states and countries you've visited. And like, it would keep track of the total like square mileage that you've covered and like percent of the world that you've seen. This is a goaded idea, but the app cannot be top five. You're just leaving your location. Goaded aspirationally, in practice, like nightmare, utter, utter nightmare. How would this work on your iPhone 12 mini? Don't, don't get this app. Don't get this app unless you want the Chinese government to know every single thing about you. Okay, number three, number three, Seesaw. Seesaw. Number three is Seesaw. Seesaw is like a,
1:18:57 Speaker 04 it's for galleries in New York City. I don't know. You can see all the art that's on display in New York. That's it. Why is it called? Seesaw. Like you see it and then after you see it, you saw it. Got it. Like Reddit. I get it. Yeah. Yeah, I read it on Reddit. I'm quite fond.
1:19:11 Andrew Manganelli? Like you check off things you've seen?
1:19:13 Speaker 04 No, it doesn't do that much. It shows you galleries in a map and it shows you galleries in a list. I like the logo. And that's all it needs to do. Like, I like apps that do one thing and do it really well. Number two, I have to reopen my list because I can't remember. Oh, number two, the Moment Pro Camera. Yeah. Which I am legally required to disclose. They gave me for free. I didn't pay for it. That's true. So if, I don't know if I'd feel differently about it if I did pay for it, but this was not something that I just happened to stumble upon. This was Moment saying, Ellis, here's a code. You have the app for free. I liked the, I didn't like the Moment Pro Camera. In fact, when I first downloaded, I said, ew, stinky. To be clear, this is our second.
1:19:58 Speaker 04 This is Moment Pro Camera two. Yeah, this is much better. But then, but then they launched an update where you could save profiles, which is like, it like saves literally every single setting in the.
1:20:13 Speaker 04 The thing, David, I'm airdropping you a photo I took. Why are you not blipping it?
1:20:17 Andrew Manganelli? Is this?
1:20:17 Speaker 04 Because I can't find you on Blip. I can tell you.
1:20:20 Andrew Manganelli? Is this one-time payment?
1:20:22 Speaker 04 I'm saying no. Yeah, it's a one-time payment.
1:20:24 Andrew Manganelli? $10 one-time payment. Listen, if you do the Google Rewards thing, what's it called again? Opinion? You could pay for this.
1:20:30 Speaker 04 Just load up 20 phones. Let me tell you, the reason I like Moment Pro Camera, wait, before you describe the photograph. Is this a straight-up camera? Yeah, yeah. I love Moment Pro Camera because I think the iPhone camera, the iPhone 17 Pro camera, forced to be between 640 and 800 ISO is one of the most pleasing things in the world. It like flattens everything. There's very little dynamic range. There's a nice amount of grain. Almost gives it like a half-tone effect. Yes. So David, is the picture I sent you dope as hell? Yeah. And the number one app in the App Store, the one app I think every single person on planet Earth should download onto their phone yesterday, right? Universal, universally applicable to all human beings.
1:21:14 Andrew Manganelli? I hope it's Taco Bell.
1:21:15 Speaker 04 It could be iMessage or something. The Brooklyn Public Library app. BPL, baby. Dude, it just works. It just works. Nothing takes any time at all. If you live in Timbuktu, get a Brooklyn library card.
1:21:29 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
1:21:29 Speaker 04 You do that?
1:21:30 Andrew Manganelli? Can you get a library card online or something?
1:21:33 Speaker 04 No, you gotta go to the library.
1:21:35 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, right? That's the lazy part of Libby is I haven't gone to the library to actually get the card.
1:21:41 Speaker 04 Well, at least with the Brooklyn Public Library, you need to go to the library. But other libraries, anyway, this is all to say, dude, the other day, I was like, oh my God, I think I need to give my library book back. And I opened the app and within 10 seconds, I saw, ten hold. I have three more days. I hit the renew button. In zero seconds after hitting the renew, I had 30 more days. Why are all apps not as good as the thing that costs zero money, the library? I just don't, anyway, Brooklyn Public Library backend and frontend app team, boy, you're just crushing it. Why do they call it BKLYN? It's like not, it's not saving that many letters.
1:22:22 Andrew Manganelli? It's like WF.
1:22:23 Speaker 04 Saving a lot of letters.
1:22:24 Andrew Manganelli? Why say more? When say less, do just.
1:22:26 Speaker 04 It's literally saving five. Yeah, it's not that many. That's a lot. It's more than half.
1:22:30 Andrew Manganelli? For an app icon, that's actually a lot of real estate.
1:22:33 Speaker 04 They should call it Brooklyn Public Library.
1:22:37 Speaker 02 Or just Brooklyn.
1:22:38 Speaker 01 Yeah, just Brooklyn.
1:22:39 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:22:40 Speaker 04 But how would you know it's a public? What if it's a private library?
1:22:42 Speaker 02 It says book. Oh, because you can download it.
1:22:45 Speaker 01 You could call that Brooklyn Public Library.
1:22:47 Speaker 04 Brooklyn.
1:22:48 Speaker 01 Or just put the R in parentheses.
1:22:50 Speaker 04 Anyway, that's Alice's. As someone who is brand new to the world of apps.
1:22:55 Speaker 01 Nice.
1:22:56 Speaker 04 Also, let me know what LUTS I should be getting for Moment Pro Cam because I'm starting to play around with LUTS.
1:23:03 Speaker 01 Nice. I guess then without any further ado.
1:23:05 Speaker 02 Everyone's number one app trivia.
1:23:07 Speaker 01 Trivia.
1:23:09 Speaker 01 Oh, yes.
1:23:10 Speaker 02 It took longer for that music to go in than Brooklyn Public Library app did.
1:23:14 Speaker 01 BKLN.
1:23:16 Speaker 02 Biggest news of the week for humanity is we are sending people to the moon today.
1:23:20 Speaker 01 That's true. We're not.
1:23:21 Speaker 02 Uh, well.
1:23:22 Speaker 01 We're sending them around.
1:23:22 Speaker 02 Around the moon. They're going around the moon. They will be the furthest that humans have ever been away from Earth. Isn't that crazy?
1:23:29 Speaker 01 I'm scared.
1:23:29 Speaker 04 Marquez, you could still say you went to Niagara Falls if you didn't jump in the water. Okay, like.
1:23:34 Speaker 02 But that's different because people have actually been on the moon.
1:23:36 Speaker 01 Did Katy Perry go to space?
1:23:38 Speaker 02 Oh, good question.
1:23:40 Speaker 01 The definition is.
1:23:41 Speaker 02 Yeah, we're gonna have to wait till Artemis 4 for people on the moon.
1:23:44 Speaker 01 Anyway, we're sending people around the moon.
1:23:45 Speaker 02 Sending people around the moon. They're gonna slingshot around Earth, go back to the moon, slingshot around the moon, come back home. It's gonna be awesome. You listening to this already know how the launch went. Today is April 1st. At the time of recording, we are, we are waiting for the. Wait, when does it? It launches today? It launches today, later today.
1:24:00 Speaker 01 About 7:00 PM.
1:24:00 Speaker 04 Aren't we supposed to get a Tesla Roadster in the winter? How much astrophage do they use to get to the moon?
1:24:07 Speaker 02 Two billion pounds. Uh, okay, but the question is.
1:24:11 Speaker 01 Of Kit Kats? Sorry, continue.
1:24:14 Speaker 02 Artemis 2 mission. That's what it is. It's the Artemis 2 mission.
1:24:17 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:24:18 Speaker 02 But did you know that in Greek mythology, Artemis has a twin brother named what?
1:24:24 Speaker 01 I don't know Greek mythology very well.
1:24:26 Speaker 04 Oh, wait, I think I know this.
1:24:28 Speaker 01 Socrates.
1:24:29 Speaker 02 You should know this.
1:24:30 Speaker 01 So this is a Greek mythology question.
1:24:32 Speaker 04 Nah, I'm wrong. Wait.
1:24:34 Speaker 02 It is, but it isn't. That's your hint.
1:24:37 Speaker 01 Oh. Which probably has ties to some other NASA-related space program.
1:24:40 Speaker 02 Hmm.
1:24:42 Speaker 01 Probably. Either way, if you know it, you already know it. If you don't, you'll find out the end just like the rest of us. We'll be right back.
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1:27:17 David Imel? Welcome back. Okay, we got a couple of little quick stories for you guys. There was some fairly big news. It could be big news to you, or it could be just like a nothing burger news to you.
1:27:26 Speaker 02 Define big.
1:27:27 David Imel? Um, you know, the amount of Kit Kats that were stolen on the, on the road this week. Uh, okay, so the news is that Apple is opening up Swift as a programming language for Android. Which is fairly big, maybe? I asked a friend of the show, Christian Selig, about this, a famous developer for many different apps, including Apollo for Reddit, which is no longer available. And he said, "I don't think you can use it for UI yet, can you?" So kinda eh, being able to write general algorithmic stuff in the same across iOS and Android is cool. But until you can do the whole thing in Swift, I don't know if it's gonna bring over many iOS developers. For instance, especially if I just am able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs.
1:28:13 David Imel? Has, yeah, this is a text, so it's kinda complicated. If just being able to blast through Kotlin with modern LLMs hasn't done it for people for whatever reason. So I guess what he's saying is like Kotlin is just so standard now, and you can use modern LLMs to code things that like Swift is not that big of a deal. So maybe it's not a big deal.
1:28:33 Speaker 02 I guess if you just like tell Claude, which just got leaked. But if you tell Claude to like, "Look at this Kotlin code and make a, make it Swift." Maybe that's what he means? Like, does that, does it work?
1:28:44 David Imel? I, I guess.
1:28:46 Speaker 02 I refuse to mention anything about software engineering because I don't want to get yelled at.
1:28:50 David Imel? That's fair. I, yeah. If you think this is a big deal, let us know.
1:28:55 Speaker 02 Was it? I ain't reading all that. Congratulations or sorry that happened?
1:29:01 David Imel? Yeah. It's funny because Swift used to sort of be the like, "Oh, we're just making our iOS apps in Swift and like we can't, I'm sorry, we only have an iOS app because we can't port it to Android," whatever. And so now you have less of a reason not to, I suppose, but... I was like, what's their angle?
1:29:15 Speaker 04 I don't, I don't quite understand, but also like, I thought one of the big selling points of Swift is how easy it plugs into the Apple APIs, which give you hardware access. So like, how does?
1:29:25 David Imel? Yeah, and that's probably why it's not as big of a deal.
1:29:27 Speaker 04 Yeah, like, can you port over something that is using like the Face ID API or like?
1:29:33 David Imel? You'd probably have to configure that separately.
1:29:35 Speaker 04 You have to be like, "Claude."
1:29:38 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. I think, yeah, who knows? I mean, we were thinking, what was the meta one where you can code for both in it? React Native?
1:29:45 Speaker 02 React Native, yeah.
1:29:46 David Imel? Yeah, and a lot of people like don't like React Native. So I think Apple maybe saw an opportunity there. But like Christian said, if you can just, you know, vibe code through Kotlin, then it's whatever. So just wanted to mention that.
1:29:57 Speaker 02 Yeah, I think this would have been cooler like two years ago.
1:29:59 David Imel? Yeah, two years ago.
1:30:01 Speaker 02 Like now, I feel like they just had this waiting. And then now that everyone just does it with AI anyway, they're like, okay, sure, release it. Like, who cares?
1:30:07 David Imel? Yeah. All right, Andrew?
1:30:10 Andrew Manganelli? All right, I'm about to crash out.
1:30:11 David Imel? I'm ready.
1:30:12 Andrew Manganelli? Not really. Okay. If you know about Whoop, we've talked about it on this podcast before.
1:30:17 David Imel? There it is.
1:30:18 Andrew Manganelli? Nice. There it is. I like your big whoop, who cares? Whoever added that?
1:30:23 David Imel? That was me. It's a big whoop.
1:30:25 Speaker 04 What the?
1:30:26 David Imel? What?
1:30:27 Speaker 04 That was straight up me.
1:30:28 David Imel? No, it wasn't.
1:30:29 Speaker 04 Yes, it was.
1:30:30 David Imel? No, it wasn't.
1:30:30 Speaker 04 Look at the document history. I just typed.
1:30:32 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, you typed that in?
1:30:33 David Imel? In Slack three days ago.
1:30:35 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, well, I tweeted it.
1:30:36 David Imel? I tweeted that six years ago. Actually, yeah.
1:30:39 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:30:43 Andrew Manganelli? Whoop just announced that their just got evaluated at $10.1 billion, which is three times more than the previous valuation.
1:30:50 David Imel? That's a lot of money.
1:30:52 Andrew Manganelli? That is a big fake number. Listen, I've used a bunch of wearables. My stupid bed tracks my sleep. I pay attention to all sorts of different activity trackers. I've been down this rabbit hole and the more I think about Whoop, the more I can't just not think Whoop is a marketing company and not really an activity tracker company. And I just, I don't know. Everyone's always like, oh, my Whoop, it's so cool. It has the best statistics ever and it's so much better than all the other ones, which just reminds me of all the people who have Mac and are like, oh, Mac is so much easier than Windows. That's why I bought it, which just feels like something they marketed really well and now you believe that.
1:31:34 Andrew Manganelli? And there are probably some really niche people who like the Whoops. I know some people like it because they like to wear a regular watch. But the fact that this stupid little tracker. One has a notification motor, but can't notify me when I get actual notifications. Sounds wild. It can't tell me the time and this If you want whoop 5.0 is somewhere between $239 and $359 a year, depending on what features you want, and you aren't paying monthly, you have to pay yearly. So at a certain point, this just feels like the Planet Fitness like
1:32:10 David Imel? Scam.
1:32:11 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, scam, pretty much. Like, yeah, it feels like they're just doing the Planet Fitness thing where it's like, you pay upfront for a year and you lock into a year contract. And then they hope you basically just forget about it after you submit.
1:32:25 David Imel? That was the blip sound. Did that happen on my computer? I happen to know that that's the blip sound.
1:32:30 Andrew Manganelli? The blip sound.
1:32:32 Speaker 04 David, David blipped the computer that's recording the Waveboard.
1:32:36 David Imel? Sorry.
1:32:37 Andrew Manganelli? That's happened so many times on this.
1:32:40 David Imel? It is a nice sound though, I gotta say.
1:32:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. A big reason they're probably at this evaluation right now is because they just became a perk on Chase Sapphire, which is like one of the most popular credit cards in the country, which means I'm sure thousands of thousands of people went, oh, I get a free whoop membership. I'm going to sign up and then put that shit in a drawer one month later and never think about it again.
1:33:01 David Imel? You get one year.
1:33:02 Andrew Manganelli? You get a year because you have to sign up for a year. So you get a year for free.
1:33:05 David Imel? Yeah.
1:33:06 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, a ton of people on Twitter were saying this. I've seen this so many times. I think activity trackers, I don't know about you all, but the second most popular question I get about different like consumer technology after phones is an activity tracker. They're super popular now. Garmin's, Apple Watches, whoops, I get asked about all the time. And every single person that has ever asked me about it and bought one has given up with it within two months. I mean, it's a small, that's anecdotal evidence, but I don't know. I hate these stupid things. I might be the number one whoop hater, but
1:33:36 David Imel? I have a hot take.
1:33:37 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:33:38 David Imel? A lot of people are like, oh, I don't need much from my activity tracker. I just need to track my steps. Your phone already does that.
1:33:44 Andrew Manganelli? Sure.
1:33:45 David Imel? Yeah. Why do you need to, you don't need the other stuff.
1:33:48 Andrew Manganelli? Here's my thing about whoop though, is if you want to, the thing I use on my Garmin the most is in the gym, I just have like the heart rate level, uh, you know, like levels one through five. And that's what I look the most at.
1:34:02 David Imel? Zone.
1:34:02 Andrew Manganelli? Because the zones. Yeah, thank you. Whoop, you can't see any of this stuff unless your phone is out at the gym because you all, it's no screen. Everything you have to track on your screen.
1:34:11 David Imel? See, but I would argue that's the benefit.
1:34:13 Andrew Manganelli? I want to put my phone down in the gym.
1:34:15 Speaker 02 No, but you can work out without looking at any screens. Like, that's why I like.
1:34:19 Andrew Manganelli? I know, but I like looking at my heart rate zones in the middle. Like, that's how I time my workouts is.
1:34:24 Speaker 01 Depends on the workout you're doing.
1:34:25 Andrew Manganelli? Do a lift or do a, I used to do when I was climbing. It's like, do it heart rate up, wait for heart rate to go down. Know I'm ready for the next time and I'm like properly rested in between.
1:34:33 Speaker 02 Yes, but a lot of the thing that Whoop does differently and, or at least used to, because now everyone has this. But it used to be recovery. That was their thing.
1:34:42 Andrew Manganelli? Exactly.
1:34:43 Speaker 02 You work out, you have the watch on the other wrist, whatever.
1:34:45 Speaker 01 Body battery.
1:34:46 Speaker 02 And yeah, and Garmin's body batteries.
1:34:48 Andrew Manganelli? You know what has it? Athletic for $2 a month.
1:34:51 Speaker 02 Yeah, Athletic has it.
1:34:51 Andrew Manganelli? And it's like almost one to one replica of it. So I don't know. And first of all, all of these things are toys. None of these are really that important. Listen to our episode with Dr. Mike about activity trackers. It's, I am fully in for, of turning health into a game. And if that helps you be healthy, be healthy. That's great. But there's so many better options than these stupid Whoop bands. They're not comfortable either. They're really annoying to have this big plastic piece. But there are.
1:35:19 Andrew Manganelli? There are some other ones I haven't gotten to try. There's another one. I forgot what it's called. It's like 100 bucks, no subscription. It looks exactly like a Whoop.
1:35:26 Speaker 01 They've just dominated that exact space of like, well, there's a bunch of different, there's like the people like the rings, the Aura rings and all those. And then there's all the competitors to that, which is just like, I want a minimal thing. Then there's the small band with no screen, which they've dominated. But there's also Fitbits and there's other things that do that. And they have, you know, the most customers and maybe the most data and maybe the most accuracy. Who knows? Then you have the thing with a screen from the Garmin watch, the Apple watch. And then people want to be able to look at their heart rate while they're working out. That's a space dominated by one player. And so there's a bunch of different versions of these. The $10 billion, I don't even, I don't really care about the $10 billion, but it is interesting that like, all I really use it for, and this is someone who actively trains and constantly looks at the data,
1:36:07 Speaker 01 is to like gamify and try to make sure I hit certain metrics or hit certain numbers. The whole thing we talked about with Dr. Mike is it might tell you, you didn't hit your number or you, you know, oh, you got a bad sleep score today. So you start to feel worse because you saw the number was worse. And then that's. Whole cycle that you spiral into, that's not ideal. But yeah, I think whoop is, is like, I don't know how else to, it's like the default for, I just want, it's either that or Fitbit. I just want a fitness tracker that can tell me at the end of the day, if I did enough and if I should be feeling better the next day.
1:36:42 Speaker 04 I think I agree with Andrew because I do think there's a part of like the whoop ethos. I don't know if it was like this at the beginning, but it's definitely like this now. Just because like so many, uh, like big time CEOs and celebrities who feel like they can't be seen with a smartwatch, either for like PR reasons or like they don't want to be seen as endorsing the specific company reasons, like choose whoop as their, um, fitness tracker. Like, like if you, I feel like I, especially at South by, I feel like whenever I saw either a picture or like some sort of famous person, they were all wearing whoops. I think it is sort of a thought of as like the, if you're at a certain status level, whoop is the only option.
1:37:24 Speaker 01 Really?
1:37:25 Andrew Manganelli? Their endorsements of athletes are gigantic.
1:37:29 Speaker 04 Marquez, if, do you know like Equinox?
1:37:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, I was literally just gonna make that.
1:37:32 Speaker 04 I would associate whoop with like the Equinox crowd.
1:37:35 Speaker 01 Is that because it's way more expensive than Fitbit?
1:37:37 Speaker 04 I think it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. It's, it's because it's, it's the high price point option. And then it's just because it's associated with this level of prestige where I can't be seen with a, with a clearly branded product. And I know at this point, whoop is a clearly branded product. But at the same time, it's, it's sort of an unbranded product in the sense that there are, there are pretty much no identifying details. So I do think if you're the kind of person who wants to be thought of as part of the CEO, high prestige crowd, whoop is now.
1:38:09 David Imel? It's a status thing for sure. It's like, I care about the absolute minutia of metrics about my body and I'm going to push it to the extreme.
1:38:18 Andrew Manganelli? And I don't think it gives any extra information than any other thing.
1:38:21 Speaker 01 But their marketing has.
1:38:23 Speaker 04 It's also totally an if you know, you know, product. You know what I mean? Like, I totally think it's, it's a marketing.
1:38:29 Andrew Manganelli? I think I just think the yearly, it used to be worse. It used, well, I guess you would get discounts, but like you sign up for two or three years at a time. It just feels predatory at this point. It is definitely doing the Planet Fitness model of like, hey, look, here's a time in your life right now. You want to be healthy, buy this thing. And then realize a month into it, like, I don't care if you give up because I already got a year's worth of your money out of it.
1:38:51 Speaker 04 You're freaking me out because I was going to sign up for Planet Fitness today and now you're making me feel like I maybe shouldn't. We'll talk.
1:38:56 Andrew Manganelli? The hardest thing about Planet Fitness is canceling it.
1:38:58 Speaker 01 Yeah, I would say I wouldn't want to like shun people away from fitness tracking and like trying to. There's a lot of people who are looking to take a first step in fitness who don't really know where to start. And this is a thing, well, it's one of the many things that you can try that can give you some information that you don't know before. Like you have your phone in your pocket that can tell you your steps. I have no idea what my heart rate is until I'm wearing a wearable. There's a ton of choices. This is one of them. Yeah. And then it's just all positioning. Like, yeah, they're going to, they're going to have ads with celebrities. I think Oura Ring kind of does some of the same stuff. You literally have a gold ring on, which is like this unbranded thing. So there's, there's different positioning moves.
1:39:36 Speaker 01 I'm not as familiar with Whoop because I don't use one and I don't know which metrics they're showing. I assume they're at least decently accurate because they're not, you know, getting flamed for accuracy. But yeah, I have an Apple Watch and I, I, I follow maybe five or six of the metrics and I know they're not accurate. I've done the step counting things and I know they're not accurate. I've done the heart rate stuff. I know the carly counters aren't accurate, but it's just something to have, to focus on slash gamify and then get in that world. And if you can get one that's not hundreds of dollars a year with a mandatory 12 month subscription, that's probably ideal.
1:40:08 David Imel? Speaking of which, breaking news, two hours ago, Fitbit is going to be launching a Whoop like product that does not have a screen. Two hours ago.
1:40:18 Speaker 01 It is April Fool's Day.
1:40:20 David Imel? Well, sure, but Steph Curry put out a video where he is wearing a band without a screen on it. And he says, he describes it as a first of its kind product before saying that he doesn't want to spoil what it is.
1:40:34 Andrew Manganelli? It's definitely not first hand. It's not first hand. Because we've brought it up based on something else, which is fine.
1:40:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:39 Speaker 02 Selfishly, I'm just hyped for this because I like wearing real watches. And that means that I can't wear.
1:40:47 Andrew Manganelli? Are you trying to say?
1:40:48 Speaker 02 Garmin watch.
1:40:49 Andrew Manganelli? This is not real?
1:40:50 Speaker 02 I mean, it tells time, so it's real.
1:40:51 Speaker 01 You know what?
1:40:52 Speaker 02 I like wearing like actual watches.
1:40:54 Speaker 01 You know what they need to make? They need to make whoop, but it's just a, it's just the band for an actual watch.
1:40:59 Andrew Manganelli? There's, Alex saw something the other day that's essentially a puck that would go under your normal watch and have.
1:41:06 Speaker 01 Well, yeah.
1:41:06 Speaker 02 Oh, yeah.
1:41:06 Speaker 01 Specifically for Casios.
1:41:08 Speaker 02 Yeah.
1:41:09 Speaker 01 But I want like, if, if the band of your watch was basically a whoop and it, it got the information from like below your wrist or whatever.
1:41:16 Speaker 02 I think I've seen something like that.
1:41:17 Speaker 01 And then you could wear it on whatever watch you wanted.
1:41:18 Andrew Manganelli? Is that the best way to get the information?
1:41:20 Speaker 02 Yeah, but I also wouldn't want to like, wear my actual watch in the gym, you know, like, or to sleep. Because I like bigger watches usually. I like the whoop and now this new Fitbit thing, like the reason I've been liking these bands is because I can wear them on the other wrist and just forget about them. And they have such crazy battery life, I don't have to think about them.
1:41:37 Andrew Manganelli? I've gotten to the point where I mostly only like looking at heart rate zones and getting my notifications on it. Cause I just don't like my phone ever vibrating or doing anything. I'm so close to just giving up on a smart watch, but then I have to change my phone more often.
1:41:51 Speaker 04 I do it for the.
1:41:52 Andrew Manganelli? Or look at my phone more often.
1:41:53 Speaker 04 I do it for the exact same things, like, or heart rate and then like a timer, like if I'm doing, uh, like a plank, I like that.
1:41:59 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
1:42:00 Speaker 04 You know, but I'm right there with you. Like the only time, literally the only time I ever go back and check my recorded data is to find out, how many days did I work out this week? Which I could literally do with a fridge and a cooker or your brain.
1:42:14 Speaker 01 A lot of it is, I, I usually frame it as it's all comparative. So like, I know that the calorie counter in the Apple watch is not accurate. But if I want to know if my workout today was actually harder than the workout I did last week, I can see if it was a higher or lower number. That's like, kind of as much as I can get out of it.
1:42:34 Speaker 02 My issue is the whoop people will be like, know everything and this is gospel. It feels like, I've seen some people on, online talking about whooping, like this is the most accurate. This is so much better than everything else with zero sources or real information based on that, just like.
1:42:51 Andrew Manganelli? I'm better than you, therefore this better. I don't know, there's probably people out there who love Whoop. There's, again, I don't want to vilify this as like, if this is what helps you work out, do it. Who cares what that price is, but I don't like Whoop.
1:43:06 David Imel? Big Whoop.
1:43:07 Andrew Manganelli? 10 billion, my butt, stock market's fake, what OpenAI just got.
1:43:12 David Imel? I think Whoop should give a $10 billion investment to OpenAI, who then can give it to Nvidia, who then can give it to Oracle, who then can give it to Whoop. Yeah.
1:43:20 Speaker 04 Oh, I have an announcement.
1:43:22 David Imel? What?
1:43:23 Speaker 04 I am pledging $50 billion to OpenAI over the next 50 years.
1:43:30 David Imel? And it's a intent, buying intent, right?
1:43:32 Speaker 04 Yeah, no, this is just, this is the speculative intent.
1:43:37 David Imel? Intent.
1:43:37 Speaker 04 It's part of an investment package called the Pinky Promise. Oh wait, no, that's actually serious.
1:43:42 David Imel? Yeah, you can't break that.
1:43:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:43:43 David Imel? That's legally binding.
1:43:44 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:43:45 David Imel? Yeah.
1:43:45 Speaker 04 It's also, it is April 1st.
1:43:47 David Imel? Oh, right, true.
1:43:48 Speaker 04 That's my-
1:43:48 Andrew Manganelli? Not when this comes out.
1:43:49 Speaker 04 This is so bad.
1:43:50 David Imel? Well, RAM prices are actually collapsing right now. And the reason is because everyone thought that OpenAI had purchased 40% of the world's RAM supply for 2026. Turns out, uh, no, Sam Altman just signed an intent to purchase, which is not actually a legally binding thing, and then OpenAI is like, actually, we don't need the RAM. And so, uh, now RAM prices are crashing. Thank God, um, we can finally have our Steam Deck at a reasonable, uh, Steam box at a reasonable price. Maybe.
1:44:20 Andrew Manganelli? Hmm, they'll keep the same up. Just make more money on it.
1:44:23 David Imel? They have actually reduced the prices of RAM quite a bit. They've crashed a lot, so it's pretty awesome.
1:44:28 Speaker 04 Rare good news.
1:44:29 David Imel? Rare good news.
1:44:30 Speaker 04 Very nice. But you know what hasn't crashed and remains at an all-time high?
1:44:35 David Imel? Trivia? I don't know how that was.
1:44:38 Speaker 04 Not my trivia points.
1:44:41 Andrew Manganelli? My points have been crashing over the last three months.
1:44:44 Speaker 04 Oh, they've been steady.
1:44:45 Andrew Manganelli? They've been steady, that's the problem.
1:44:47 Speaker 04 They haven't gone up at all, but that's fine. Guys, which iPhone was left at a bar and subsequently leaked by Gizmodo?
1:44:56 David Imel? What do you think, Andrew?
1:44:58 Andrew Manganelli? I don't want to give you guys the answers.
1:45:04 Andrew Manganelli? Why am I second guessing myself?
1:45:07 Andrew Manganelli? You're sure?
1:45:08 Speaker 04 You really should not second guess yourself.
1:45:10 Andrew Manganelli? I'm pretty sure it's- This would be pretty embarrassing. It would be.
1:45:15 Andrew Manganelli? Just gonna throw it out there. I'm pretty sure I'm right. I don't think anyone would be able to take you seriously if you got this wrong.
1:45:21 Speaker 04 Oh my god.
1:45:24 Andrew Manganelli? Oh! That's what I like to see.
1:45:26 Speaker 04 Okay. Everyone wrote the same thing, so would you like to read the answer at the same time? One, two, three-
1:45:34 Andrew Manganelli? iPhone 4. Wait, David wrote sour.
1:45:39 Speaker 04 I wrote in closer.
1:45:40 Andrew Manganelli? It's a 4.
1:45:42 Speaker 04 It was, in fact, the iPhone 4.
1:45:44 Andrew Manganelli? But I had a moment where I was like, is it the 4S?
1:45:46 Speaker 04 Nah.
1:45:46 Andrew Manganelli? But no, it was the new design.
1:45:47 Speaker 04 Because it was huge design.
1:45:48 Andrew Manganelli? The new design.
1:45:49 Speaker 04 Yeah. iPhone 4 was the one where they changed the outside and iPhone 4S was the one where the inside sort of became the-
1:45:54 Andrew Manganelli? TikTok.
1:45:55 Speaker 04 The modern iPhone. On the clock. Um, I'm gonna do this score update this time, but Adam, did you already give them that point? Oracle. Or- Oracle. Marquez.
1:46:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
1:46:07 Speaker 04 Caboose in it with 20 points.
1:46:09 Andrew Manganelli? Cooking.
1:46:10 Speaker 04 Andrew, smack dab in the middle, Sammy Nestico tune, 21 points.
1:46:17 Speaker 04 David, King David, biblical King David. Didn't he get his head chopped off or something? I don't think so. Okay.
1:46:25 Andrew Manganelli? Don't Google it. That was Artemis. Just revel in the mystery of whether he might have gotten his head chopped off or not. Pandora's head. No.
1:46:34 Speaker 04 Schrodinger's head.
1:46:35 Andrew Manganelli? Schrodinger's head.
1:46:38 Speaker 04 24 points.
1:46:41 Andrew Manganelli? How am I smack dab in the middle?
1:46:42 Speaker 04 Cause you're in between them.
1:46:44 Andrew Manganelli? But not smack dab.
1:46:46 Speaker 01 You're technically the median.
1:46:47 Speaker 04 You are technically- You're a point and a half away. I'll give you a point and a half right now, so you're smack dab in the middle. I'm just kidding. April Fool's.
1:46:57 Speaker 04 Alright, here's Adam for the space question. Artemis has a twin brother named what? Go.
1:47:05 Speaker 04 Fun fact, guys, the mission is called Artemis because they're not, they're gonna do like the gravity cyst, like they're not landing on the moon, so they're, they're gonna miss. Are they gonna miss?
1:47:17 Speaker 04 That's why they called it that.
1:47:18 Andrew Manganelli? I don't even know enough of these names to just guess on this one.
1:47:23 Andrew Manganelli? No, that's the rock guy.
1:47:25 Speaker 01 Dwayne the Dwayne Dwayne.
1:47:30 Andrew Manganelli? Lemon Reed, what do you got?
1:47:34 Speaker 01 Discovery. I wrote discovery.
1:47:39 Speaker 04 That doesn't sound Greek to me.
1:47:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, it doesn't. That is not it.
1:47:42 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote Zeus.
1:47:44 Speaker 01 At least it's Greek.
1:47:46 Speaker 04 I'm probably wrong.
1:47:46 Andrew Manganelli? Is it?
1:47:47 Speaker 04 I wrote, yeah.
1:47:48 Speaker 01 That's wrong.
1:47:48 Speaker 04 I wrote Gemini. Yeah.
1:47:50 Speaker 01 Wrong, guys.
1:47:51 Speaker 04 Twins.
1:47:53 Speaker 01 Apollo.
1:47:56 Speaker 04 Damn. It was right there. It's really right there.
1:48:00 Speaker 01 As much as I know slash like about Apollo.
1:48:02 Andrew Manganelli? I'm so glad I got to watch your reaction when you got that wrong, because I knew it'd piss you off.
1:48:07 Speaker 01 Nice. Wow. Well, you know, another learning experience on the pod.
1:48:11 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, Apollo twin?
1:48:14 Andrew Manganelli? Can we call?
1:48:15 Speaker 04 Oh my god, Apollo twin.
1:48:16 Andrew Manganelli? Can we call it Artemis then? Is your?
1:48:19 Speaker 04 Apollo's twin is Artemis.
1:48:20 Andrew Manganelli? Why can't I think, is your universal audio interface actually Artemis?
1:48:23 Speaker 01 It's called the Apollo twin, which is the Artemis. That's wow.
1:48:28 Speaker 04 That's crazy.
1:48:29 Speaker 01 I hate that. Well, now we know. I'm gonna study up on Greek mythology for next week's trivia, just in case. But hey, leave your comments on why, who had the best top five apps list? I want to know in the comments section. Now, now that you made it this far, you've heard all of our top five apps lists. Who had the best list? Comment below.
1:48:47 Andrew Manganelli? And why was it me?
1:48:48 Speaker 04 It's probably Adam.
1:48:49 Speaker 01 Yeah. Thanks for watching. Catch you guys next week in April. Peace.
1:48:54 Speaker 04 Bye.
1:48:55 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform is produced by Emily and Nellis Rovin, a partner of Vox Media Podcast Network, and our intro to our music was created by Vane Sill.
1:49:09 Andrew Manganelli? Quick pickup.
1:49:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:11 Andrew Manganelli? Twin brother.
1:49:14 Speaker 01 There we go.
1:49:14 Speaker 04 That's it.
1:49:17 Andrew Manganelli? Trivia this week. Twin brother.
1:49:20 Speaker 04 You're gonna cut that.
1:49:22 Speaker 01 Wait. Oh, I think I know.
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