Pod Insights Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast It’s Like Photoshop, But Free! About this episode In this episode, Marques, Andrew, and David talk about everything from the upcoming Samsung tri-fold to Affinity taking on Adobe. After that, Adam talks about the newest product from Teenage Engineering before everyone gets into the newest thin Motorola phone. It all wraps up with a new game where Andrew pits Marques and David against Adam and Ellis. It's a fun one!
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Teenage Engineering EP-40: https://teenage.engineering/products/ep-40
Verge - Motorola Edge 70 phone: https://www.theverge.com/gadgets/813377/motorola-edge-70-review
Kotaku - SouljaBoy scandal: https://kotaku.com/souljaboy-is-selling-someone-elses-retro-handhelds-for-as-much-as-a-switch-2-he-does-not-have-permission-2000640828
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1:21 David Imel? The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough.
1:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, those bezels were.
1:26 David Imel? They were thick. I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take? I'm curious now.
1:40 Speaker 01 My hot take on bezels is...
1:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
1:52 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
1:52 Speaker 01 And I'm David. So, okay, this week, we have a bunch of free software. That's pretty good. A new teenage engineering product that Adam's very excited about. Also, our first real look at the Samsung Trifold. I don't know if that's exactly what it'll be called, but it's the Trifold. We're going to call it that. Soulja Boy scamming again. Sorry. Uh, and we're gonna wrap it up with a game that Andrew's made for us. That'll be fun.
2:14 Andrew Manganelli? But first, I want to come in with a little Nothing Phone 3A response from Nothing and a correction from last week.
2:20 Speaker 01 I thought you were gonna apologize to me again.
2:22 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
2:23 Speaker 01 I got excited.
2:23 Andrew Manganelli? Do I have something to apologize for?
2:25 Speaker 01 I don't know. You could figure it out.
2:26 Andrew Manganelli? All right. If you figure out what I, figure it out by the end of this article.
2:29 Speaker 01 Okay, okay, okay.
2:30 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
2:30 Speaker 01 I'm ready.
2:31 Andrew Manganelli? Um, so last week we talked about the 3A Lite and how it's basically just the CMF Phone 2 with a Nothing Design Language. $10 more expensive and a bunch of.
2:39 Speaker 01 Phone 2A Pro.
2:41 Andrew Manganelli? No, just 2.
2:42 Speaker 01 2 Pro.
2:42 Andrew Manganelli? You are, yeah.
2:43 Speaker 01 Christ, okay.
2:44 David Imel? We were thinking of the 3A Lite.
2:46 Speaker 01 Right.
2:46 David Imel? Which is the budget sub, anyway, you can continue.
2:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Um, but yeah, so it was $10 more expensive and has a bunch of bloatware and ads. So first I want to correct something. Last week I said the cameras were exactly the same, but I was wrong. The 3A Lite ditches the CMF 2 Pro's 50-megapixel telephoto and adds a 2-megapixel macro camera instead.
3:07 Speaker 01 You'd love to see it.
3:08 Andrew Manganelli? Love to see it. So they're not the same. In fact, I think we can all, CMF Phone is better cameras.
3:15 Speaker 01 That's crazy.
3:16 Andrew Manganelli? Even though it's less expensive. Um, and then since the release, Nothing's been basically getting dunked on nonstop. Um, Ben Shune had a great article about basically just how Twitter's compiled all the, the age-old, uh.
3:29 Speaker 01 Receipts?
3:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, the receipt, like how companies are like, let's make fun of other companies and they always just do that thing later.
3:36 Speaker 01 This is why Twitter's still so goaded.
3:38 Andrew Manganelli? It is.
3:39 Speaker 01 Everyone has five-year-old tweets. It's just, yeah.
3:41 Andrew Manganelli? I'll link Ben's article in it. It compiles a bunch, but one is, um, I keep forgetting his name. He's one of the co-founders.
3:47 Speaker 01 Akis.
3:47 Andrew Manganelli? Akis. He tweeted in 2023, "2-megapixel third-camera sensors are the biggest scam of the 21st century."
3:54 Speaker 01 Which is such a great take, because I've said before, like, they're pretty useless. But to be in charge of a phone company that might do it in the future and to say it's the biggest scam of the 21st century is really putting yourself out there.
4:05 David Imel? I think people need to remember that you can just not tweet things.
4:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:09 David Imel? Like, you don't have to say.
4:10 Speaker 01 No, I'm glad he tweets this, because you know how he really feels now.
4:13 David Imel? Yeah.
4:14 Andrew Manganelli? Well, so he, he since then replied to the. Almost three year old tweet and said, add to add context.
4:22 David Imel? Oh my god.
4:22 Andrew Manganelli? First of all, if you have to add context to a three year old tweet, you've lost already. He said, this is regarding depth sensors to optimize portrait mode as the second sensor can serve that purpose. Purpose for the 3A light, the options were either remove the third camera or converted to a macro lens. And then since the community has been doing some fun, great macro photography, we want it the later. This feels so much like when they, uh, the quote unquote placeholder images where he's just like, no, no, no, we didn't make a mistake. Check out all these sweet pictures our people on nothing phones have taken.
4:54 David Imel? This macro of someone's eye that he posted looks like an AI photo because it's so low resolution.
4:59 Andrew Manganelli? Because it's two megapixels.
5:00 David Imel? It's like so over sharpened. Yeah.
5:02 Andrew Manganelli? It's one of those things that looks great in the thumbnail preview and then you blow it up and you're like, oh.
5:07 David Imel? It's pretty bad. Yeah.
5:08 Andrew Manganelli? It's not great, but.
5:09 Speaker 01 And also two megapixels, like these aren't two megapixel photos. I'm pretty sure you can't take these photos with a two megapixel macro camera. Maybe I'm wrong.
5:18 Andrew Manganelli? It is. Yep. Two megapixels. So the three cameras are 50 megapixel wide, eight megapixel ultra wide, two megapixel macro.
5:26 David Imel? Yeah, this photo is 1600 by 901, which fits within two megapixels. So.
5:30 Speaker 01 Wow. Maybe you can take amazing macros with a two megapixel macro camera.
5:34 David Imel? Define amazing.
5:36 Andrew Manganelli? Amazingly sharp.
5:37 Speaker 01 Good enough to get tweeted by the company's marketing guy.
5:41 Andrew Manganelli? In a basically apology.
5:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
5:43 Andrew Manganelli? So other than that, nothing has also been known a lot of times to talk about. NothingOS takes out the bloatware. Carl Pei has tweeted a bunch of times like, no, that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook, straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta.
6:01 David Imel? Apps.
6:02 Andrew Manganelli? Service apps. And so their response to it was, we heard your feed. So on the 30th, they said, these apps come because they offer faster startups, smarter background performance, better power efficiency, seamless camera access. That's the reasoning for happening, but.
6:18 David Imel? That's the reason for having them pre-installed?
6:19 Andrew Manganelli? Mm hmm.
6:20 David Imel? What?
6:21 Andrew Manganelli? But don't worry, you still retain full control. All of those can be uninstalled.
6:26 Speaker 01 I raise you that.
6:28 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like Instagram should be able to be uninstalled.
6:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, all of the, I don't know how many of these things are true because they're pre-installed. If they're doing some special optimizations, I don't know, but if I just install it from the Play Store, all of those advantages will still be there, right?
6:41 Andrew Manganelli? They're pretty.
6:42 Speaker 01 They can always be installed if I want them. The definition of bloatware is apps that are installed that I didn't want and are just taking up space.
6:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
6:51 Speaker 01 This is by definition.
6:53 David Imel? The only reason that they're saying that this is like not really bloatware is because the bloatware that we're used to from the very early phone and smartphone era was like, I don't know, a random Verizon or AT&T.
7:03 Andrew Manganelli? Candy Crush or like, also like games pre-installed.
7:06 Speaker 01 Verizon Messenger.
7:07 David Imel? Verizon Messenger, yeah, that kind of stuff.
7:09 Andrew Manganelli? We'll talk about that later.
7:10 David Imel? There was like an NFL app on my first smartphone, my like HCC Thunderbolt I had, like, yeah, people don't use that, but I don't know, they're saying it's not bloatware, but it's like, if you have TikTok pre-installed, I don't want.
7:22 Andrew Manganelli? They're claiming these are the most widely used apps globally, and so they're just.
7:26 Speaker 01 Which is, it doesn't matter.
7:27 Andrew Manganelli? It takes five seconds to download these.
7:29 Speaker 01 I think our definition of bloatware is you put a bunch of stuff on my phone that I don't want and I don't want to use and it's just taking up space. Now I have to go uninstall it. Their rebuttal to that is, oh, but you do want to use these. These are the popular ones. It's Instagram and TikTok, right? But I don't necessarily think everyone wants to use the Facebook app or any or all of these meta properties. So it's like, it is still bloatware. Not everyone is going to use them, but it is not as offensive bloatware as the ones that we're used to.
7:56 David Imel? Sure, and they're adding it because they get paid to add it so they can monetize the phone.
8:00 Andrew Manganelli? Which I feel like, just say that.
8:02 David Imel? You could literally say it. Dude, I'm, yes, exactly. They could literally go like, the only way we were able to make this so, we were able to make this so cheap by installing this stuff because we assume you want it anyway. You can uninstall it if you want, but that's how we're able to make our products like affordable.
8:18 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
8:19 David Imel? But when you like dance around it, people are not stupid. People know how this works.
8:23 Andrew Manganelli? Yep. They also said, so the meta service apps at first couldn't be taken off. They could only be disabled. And he like, he wrote how to disable it as this like, settings, app things. There's like four or five steps to get into it.
8:37 David Imel? I didn't know that they could still do that. I remember that being a thing where you couldn't actually uninstall apps. You could only disable them and it would like turn them off, but it still retained the app data or whatever.
8:46 Speaker 01 And storage.
8:47 David Imel? I thought that they got rid of that, but I guess not.
8:49 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, there's still system apps you can't disable, can't remove.
8:52 David Imel? I was surprised that they could do that for like such obvious third party.
8:56 Speaker 01 That's what I'm saying.
8:57 David Imel? Yeah.
8:58 Speaker 01 Yeah.
8:58 David Imel? Like I wouldn't.
8:59 Speaker 01 I get it for system 32.
9:00 David Imel? A non-removable Facebook app is kind of crazy.
9:03 Speaker 01 Yeah. Unless you have the HTC first, you know?
9:08 Andrew Manganelli? I think you can remove the Facebook app, but it's just like the meta services stuff. Or I don't know, I might be wrong about that.
9:14 David Imel? That's so bad.
9:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Community is not happy, I think is the safest way to say it. Nice little update.
9:22 David Imel? Because they're pre-installed, they offer faster startup. What does that even mean?
9:26 Speaker 01 I don't understand what that.
9:27 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, I think it means like when you first set up the phone, it is now faster.
9:31 David Imel? You can get to Instagram quicker when you first unbox your Nothing 3A Lite.
9:35 Speaker 03 Important to the experience. Like on a Pixel, I can't uninstall Gmail. I'd have to like.
9:40 David Imel? Can't you?
9:41 Speaker 03 No, I'd have to disable it. Yeah. I could like root my phone and then uninstall.
9:45 David Imel? Try doing it right now.
9:45 Speaker 03 I did. I can only disable or archive.
9:48 David Imel? Interesting.
9:48 Speaker 03 I cannot.
9:49 Andrew Manganelli? It's like Google on Google. Like I'm sure Nothing also can't.
9:52 David Imel? Yeah.
9:52 Andrew Manganelli? You can't take off the Nothing apps that are on it, but people don't consider that bloatware because it's the, you know, the phones, the company. Yeah.
9:59 David Imel? Right. Yeah.
10:00 Andrew Manganelli? When you start putting all these third party things in there, it's a little more annoying.
10:03 David Imel? Yeah. Didn't Apple get in trouble for not letting you uninstall like preloaded Apple apps or something?
10:11 Speaker 01 Every year, not, maybe not even every year, but it feels like every one or two years with the new iOS update, we get one or two more default apps. I think with iOS 26, there was a preview app that got added and I think maybe one more app that got like by default. And they just snuck them in there and they show up with a software update and people usually just remove them and it's no big deal. But there's a bunch of stuff now that comes on the iPhone and.
10:36 David Imel? We kind of just accept it. By the way, the preview app is very frustrating. I made a folder on my iPad of photos and every time you click it, it opens preview. And then it looks at that in preview and you can't, you can't just like move over to the next photo in the folder. Like normally on a Mac, like you can just hit the, the next button and it goes through the folder. Right. But because it opens preview and just opens that singular image in preview. Wow. You can't just scroll. So you have to go back to the folder. Files app is the other one. Yeah. Yeah. It's so annoying. That's, it doesn't quite work like a Mac. Otherwise you would just have a Mac. Yeah. And Apple can't have that.
11:13 Andrew Manganelli? They did update it one more time, saying, we're hoping to roll out a way to just take off Meta app installer, app manager and Meta services.
11:21 David Imel? We're hoping.
11:22 Andrew Manganelli? But it should be out at the end of the month.
11:24 David Imel? But. So. But Meta already paid us, so. Yeah.
11:28 Andrew Manganelli? Or, or hoping to be able to uninstall them. It'll still come default.
11:31 David Imel? Yeah.
11:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. All right. Do you want to talk about Affinity?
11:34 David Imel? This is. Yeah. Fill me in because I don't use any Affinity products.
11:38 Andrew Manganelli? Neither do I.
11:38 David Imel? But I've heard people at the studio losing their absolute minds over.
11:43 Andrew Manganelli? And one of them is sitting right next to me.
11:45 David Imel? Yeah. So please, please tell me why it's such a big deal, what, what Affinity is doing.
11:49 Andrew Manganelli? So, yeah. Do you, do, does anyone use Affinity here at all?
11:53 Speaker 04 I started last month, like towards the tail end of this whole thing.
11:57 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. I, sorry.
11:59 David Imel? I also want to note that this is important because they are basically the Adobe competitor.
12:03 Andrew Manganelli? For sure.
12:03 David Imel? For like their Adobe's whole suite. And ever since Adobe moved over to Creative Cloud a number of years ago, and every single thing is a subscription. You no longer were able to just buy creative software that you can buy once and use forever. Affinity in like 2016 basically started like making a bunch of parallels to all the Adobe apps. So I'd heard about Affinity Photo. That's like Lightroom.
12:26 Andrew Manganelli? Affinity Photo is like Photoshop. Affinity Designer is like Illustrator and Affinity Publisher is like InDesign.
12:32 David Imel? Yeah. Okay. And they're not subscriptions? No.
12:34 Andrew Manganelli? They were like 70 bucks a piece. I think iPad app was like 20 bucks. Um, but they varied. Yeah.
12:39 David Imel? Yeah. And they had an iPad app, which was great.
12:42 Andrew Manganelli? Uh huh. The reason we're bringing this up again is because last week, Ellis on Wednesday was like. Hey everyone. I don't know if this is going to be the same as on Friday, like when it releases, but right now Affinity is free. And it felt like, because they they had been bought by Canva in 2024. And on Wednesday, there was this feeling of an announcement that was going to come out on the 30th that we knew about, which was Thursday. So for us, you know, Wednesday, Thursday, then release Friday.
13:07 David Imel? Sure.
13:07 Andrew Manganelli? So it was like, is this going to be free? Because tomorrow Canva is going to say we're shutting down Affinity or changing it. Like, are you going to get a free version that doesn't get upgraded? You know, we all kind of expect the worst out of stuff like that when we see it. But on the 30th, what they did is they actually announced two things. One is that the three different apps that they had are now combined into this singular piece of software that you can now switch between essentially Photoshop Illustrator InDesign through a tab switch on the top and get all the different tools without having to go through different programs, including your file moving between all of them.
13:45 David Imel? That's awesome.
13:45 Andrew Manganelli? Which is awesome.
13:46 David Imel? That's really cool, actually.
13:47 Andrew Manganelli? Mega app. Yeah, I think it's really neat. And that they're completely free.
13:51 David Imel? Out of video editor.
13:52 Andrew Manganelli? Well, that's fair, but we can sort of get to that later. But like, so now that all of them are three, at times like we mentioned, they could be up to $70 each. Yeah, Canva just was like, hey, here you go. These are all free and just available.
14:10 David Imel? Canva's reasoning for this was that Canva itself has like a corporate plan, which is very popular. Because their competitor is basically Adobe Photoshop Express, which nobody really uses.
14:22 Speaker 01 So that's a subscription, the Canva thing.
14:24 David Imel? Canva is a subscription and their corporate subscription is like much more expensive. And they make a, they sell a lot of those subscriptions.
14:31 Speaker 04 I also, I didn't read this anywhere, but this is a theory of mine. Like, I think a lot, a lot of what you get out of the Canva subscription is you get access to this library of assets that's made by Canva designers. And I believe with a subscription, you would get access to those assets in.
14:47 Andrew Manganelli? I can jump ahead.
14:48 Speaker 04 Thank you.
14:50 Andrew Manganelli? The AI tools inside of the new Affinity stuff is only available through Canva Premium, which is, that's like the main thing you're unlocking.
14:59 Speaker 01 Oh, so it's like-
14:59 Andrew Manganelli? Generative fill.
15:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:00 Andrew Manganelli? But for the most part, the main tools that are like Photoshop competitors, other than, you know, we're seeing this multitude of new AI tools coming into design programs. Those are the things that are locked behind a subscription, which is Canva Premium.
15:13 Speaker 01 That makes sense then. So it's like they're making Canva free with a bunch of its basic tools as a vessel-
15:19 Andrew Manganelli? A lot of really powerful tools.
15:21 Speaker 01 Sure, definitely.
15:22 Speaker 04 They're making Affinity free.
15:22 Andrew Manganelli? Affinity free.
15:23 Speaker 01 Affinity, sorry. Affinity is free as a vessel to hopefully get you to subscribe at some point for some of the more advanced slash AI tools, because those are good.
15:31 David Imel? Yeah, think about it like this. Like, if you are a business and you, you are more likely to buy a Canva Pro subscription for your designers if it also comes with all these other design tools, so that you don't have to also have an Adobe Cloud subscription for all of the, you know, InDesign and Illustrator and Photoshop. So if you, if you have Canva, which is sort of a, like a rapid prototyping design tool in a way-
15:55 Andrew Manganelli? It's also-
15:57 Speaker 04 It's like everyone's first, like everyone who's not a-
16:01 David Imel? It's like babies first, yeah.
16:03 Speaker 04 Dude, I wouldn't even describe it as that. Like, I can't remember the last time I got like a wedding invite or like really any document ever that wasn't made in Canva.
16:13 David Imel? Because they have a lot of like very stylish designs that are-
16:16 Speaker 04 And it's, it's so easy.
16:18 David Imel? Made by actual designers.
16:19 Speaker 04 Like, it's, like, like, I feel like all other platforms, when they use the term drag and drop are like ish.
16:25 David Imel? Kind of like, yeah.
16:26 Speaker 04 And Canva is like literally the most drag and drop, I'm graphic designing thing ever.
16:30 David Imel? Yeah. So from a business perspective, it's like, they already have an incentive to use Canva, but then if you want your entire team to be using it, a lot of those actual designers on your team are gonna need more pro creative tools and usually they'd have to go to Adobe Creative Cloud. So now, if they make these free, then it's like, it's much more incentive for a business to subscribe to Canva Pro.
16:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:53 David Imel? Because you also get these creative tools.
16:55 Speaker 01 Makes sense.
16:55 Andrew Manganelli? And if, I have the breakdown of what Canva Premium costs and what Adobe costs, if we wanna look at that real quick.
17:01 David Imel? Head to head.
17:01 Andrew Manganelli? Because even still, Canva Premium, thirteen dollars a month or a hundred dollar, a hundred and twenty a year, if you pay yearly, which I, ten dollars a month.
17:10 David Imel? Yeah.
17:10 Andrew Manganelli? Creative Cloud Pro, it's so confusing how this pricing works. And this is non-business. This is if just you're an individual buying.
17:16 David Imel? Yep.
17:17 Andrew Manganelli? So $105 a month, if you pay just monthly. If you pay monthly but commit to annual, it's $70 a month or $780 a year. This is a little different because Creative Cloud Pro comes with everything.
17:31 David Imel? There's a ton of.
17:31 Andrew Manganelli? There's a ton of it, all the AI stuff.
17:33 David Imel? Yeah, storage.
17:34 Andrew Manganelli? If you're picking individual programs, it generally runs $23 a month with an annual just subscription. So we're talking about half the price for Affinity. And that's even half the price of one singular program.
17:47 David Imel? Yeah.
17:48 Andrew Manganelli? Of Adobe.
17:49 David Imel? And that's if you want the Canva Pro features, because if you just want to use Affinity without all of the like AI generative stuff, it's all free.
17:57 Andrew Manganelli? It's just free.
17:57 David Imel? Yeah. So as you wrote down here, you can basically make any creative project now for completely free. Because you can take your phone, film a video, edit in DaVinci Resolve, which is like a pro video editing app that is also free. Create your own graphics and thumbnails in Affinity and then you spent no money.
18:19 Andrew Manganelli? That's awesome.
18:19 David Imel? Pretty big deal.
18:21 Andrew Manganelli? It's the best time ever to be, to want to try creating.
18:24 David Imel? Yeah.
18:24 Andrew Manganelli? With like very low risk.
18:26 Speaker 04 I've only used Affinity on my iPad so far, and I will say it's my favorite iPad design app. Like, I think it's way better than the Adobe Illustrator.
18:38 Speaker 04 Procreate is better at like the brush simulation stuff. Like, there is like a bunch of like under the hood stuff in Procreate that just makes it like butter, which I feel like is their whole thing.
18:48 David Imel? Yeah.
18:48 Speaker 04 But it's so much easier to work in the vector space and work with text and like do things that aren't literally drawing. And it was, and I've found that the brushes in Affinity Design are like not that much worse. Yeah.
19:03 Andrew Manganelli? I want to try it because this is one of those things where I've used Photoshop for so long begrudgingly and luckily work at a company that pays for my Adobe suite. So like that makes it, but like. This is the kind of stuff where there's no one around me who is like, I just want to edit some photos or that I'm ever going to suggest Photoshop for. Like, it's just too expensive. So the free version of this without some AI tools is like, at least you can learn the basics of everything and really see if you want to do this.
19:30 Speaker 04 For the same price of a year of Photoshop, you could buy a Pixel and just put all of your photos in the Google Magic Editor and just do it all like that, like.
19:40 David Imel? Yeah, I think that there's more mounting pressure on Adobe to either lower their prices or create some sort of freemium software that people can use without having to pay for the whole subscription.
19:50 Speaker 03 I'm still a little confused why Affinity did this in the first place. Because I feel like their subscriber base is typically professionals.
19:59 David Imel? Affinity or Canva?
20:00 Speaker 03 You know?
20:01 David Imel? Affinity or Canva?
20:02 Speaker 03 Uh, Canva, you're right. Yeah, sorry.
20:03 David Imel? Well, they did it to get more Canva subscribers.
20:05 Speaker 03 But I don't think people that are signing up to use Affinity are gonna inherently use Canva because no one.
20:11 David Imel? I think it's the other way around.
20:12 Speaker 03 You mean, people using Canva are just gonna now use Affinity?
20:15 David Imel? Businesses are more incentivized to have a Canva Pro subscription if it also comes with a bunch of creative software for their more professional users.
20:24 Andrew Manganelli? So like, in order to get the, all the AI tools and stuff out of, which I keep saying AI tools and it's easy to dunk on AI, but like, more and more design programs are having tools that just help you save time. It's not, I'm not saying it's like a go into Affinity and create an entire thing using just AI. It's like, subject select, advanced generative fill. Like, those are super helpful tools.
20:44 Speaker 04 Also, just like, so many people subscribe to Canva. You know what I mean?
20:49 Andrew Manganelli? That, yeah.
20:49 Speaker 04 So.
20:51 Speaker 03 I disagree.
20:51 Speaker 04 No, dude.
20:52 Speaker 03 A lot of marketing departments subscribe to Canva, but regular people just use the free version to make.
20:56 David Imel? Yeah, well, but that's the whole thing. They're subsidizing Affinity for regular people by getting more and more marketing departments to sign up for Canva Pro.
21:06 Speaker 04 This also might be, I, I know, I personally have so many friends who are not professional designers, are not creative professionals, and keep a Canva subscription going just because anytime they need to format, and like, people use it instead of Google Docs.
21:20 Andrew Manganelli? Can I?
21:20 Speaker 04 Yeah. You know what I mean?
21:21 Speaker 03 But like, everyone I know that uses Canva has one project that they just edit constantly because they refuse to pay for the subscription.
21:28 Speaker 04 I, I got my payers out there, okay?
21:30 Andrew Manganelli? This is totally anecdotal. But teachers use Canva like crazy.
21:35 Speaker 03 Yeah, Canva is the new PowerPoint. It's like everyone uses Canva.
21:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:39 Speaker 03 When Jess worked in an ad agency, all of their decks were made in Canva. Everything was made in Canva. But that's what I mean. Like, those are not people who are making thumbnails for YouTube videos. I think it's a happy accident that now it's free for all of us. But I'm just confused why they did it. That like, what is their incentive? But David's make point makes sense, which is that like, it's just another tool that their people can use now since you're already paying for the canvas subscription, you know?
22:04 Speaker 01 And there's like such an entrenched, uh, there's still so many businesses that use Adobe stuff, like all of, there's so much After Effects and Photoshop and all of the, you know, Adobe design stuff that people have been using forever. And the only way to get someone out of that is to offer something that gives you substantially more value or seems like it would be a better deal to actually get you to unsubscribe from the Adobe thing. So if you're gonna get someone to leave Adobe, you gotta make moves. And this is one of the moves I just tried to try to make.
22:33 Speaker 03 Yeah, I just feel like that's still gonna, like, I don't know. I think it's cool. I think it's awesome because we get to play with a new thing that's free. But like, Tim is not leaving Photoshop.
22:42 Andrew Manganelli? That you're never gonna convert people who like went to school for design and are doing this forever.
22:47 Speaker 03 Like the real professionals are sticking to their tools.
22:50 Andrew Manganelli? Now you start the new generation of professionals.
22:53 Speaker 01 If you're an individual paying for the Adobe suite and you realize you could save a lot of money by using the Canva stuff. Every individual is very unhappy with how much they have to pay for Adobe.
23:03 Speaker 03 Marques, as someone that pays for all of our Adobe subscriptions, are you tempted at all by this?
23:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, dude, every time you guys are like, hey, can we add one more seat for Adobe? I'm like, do you really, really want this? Yes, because this will cost me $1,500 a month for every single person we add. 1,500? It's so much.
23:20 Andrew Manganelli? Not quite, but it's, it's a lot of it.
23:22 Speaker 01 It might as well be.
23:23 Andrew Manganelli? The pro version's way more because it comes with like more AI tokens or.
23:27 Speaker 01 But it's not like I can just add. Yeah.
23:30 Speaker 03 That's so.
23:31 Speaker 01 I would love to be able to just go, I can add one seat for just Photoshop. But of course Adobe doesn't want you to be able to do that.
23:36 Andrew Manganelli? As a business.
23:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:37 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Um, I'll just tack onto this as we're talking about, uh, like bringing people off of Adobe is like, this is free for now. We always have to just be aware. They've claimed that I think it's going to stay free.
23:54 David Imel? But you can never trust.
23:55 Andrew Manganelli? It said free forever, but also nothing said two megapixel cameras are the biggest scam of the 21st century. So just remember, any of these things can change at any time. So we won't be surprised when that happens.
24:09 David Imel? I mean, that's the reason that people often are like, you need to just host everything yourself because everything is like free and great until it's not. And companies will always like bait and switch you eventually. So, you know, use it while you got it.
24:23 Andrew Manganelli? Use it. Yeah. Now's the best time, better time than ever to try and make that channel or whatever you've been thinking about because you can, between Resolve and Affinity, you can do pretty much everything that you could do when you first started your YouTube channel, right?
24:38 David Imel? Yeah.
24:39 Andrew Manganelli? It's wild.
24:40 David Imel? To be set to go.
24:40 Speaker 03 The new Affinity app now has like a new file format, I believe.
24:44 David Imel? Yeah.
24:44 Speaker 03 I wonder if that's gonna be compatible with anything else.
24:48 David Imel? Is that the .af?
24:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
24:49 David Imel? I love it.
24:51 Andrew Manganelli? I wonder if, is that because so it can switch between, I wonder if that's so it can switch between.
24:56 Speaker 03 Yeah, but I mean more so like what you're getting at is like in 10 years, if they decide, oh, now we're charging. And now you have like a backlog of all your professional work. That's a .af. What do you do?
25:06 David Imel? Darkness.
25:09 David Imel? Gotcha.
25:09 Speaker 04 On Sakura, an interesting thing I found.
25:13 David Imel? What is Sakura?
25:13 Speaker 04 It's like, uh, the same thing as, uh, Statista, but it's like, not Statista, what's the, the, is Statista for money? You know what I'm talking about?
25:22 Andrew Manganelli? Polly market?
25:23 Speaker 04 Jeez. Uh, it's like, it's like, like they accrue data from shareholder.
25:28 David Imel? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, something research.
25:31 Speaker 04 Whatever.
25:31 David Imel? SharePoint research or something like that.
25:33 Speaker 04 That thing. Uh, but, uh, Affinity's growth has outpaced almost all their competitors. Here they, it says they outpaced Figma, Miro and Adobe in year over year growth.
25:46 David Imel? Damn.
25:46 Speaker 04 Um, and they also do. More revenue than Figma and Miro. So I think they literally just are like-
25:54 David Imel? Than Figma?
25:55 Speaker 04 Yeah.
25:56 David Imel? Wow.
25:57 Speaker 04 So-
25:57 David Imel? That's crazy.
25:58 Speaker 04 Well, that's what I'm saying is like, like Canva, I don't think we, we were, I think we're underestimating how used and paid for Canva is.
26:06 David Imel? For sure.
26:07 Speaker 04 Like, and so I just think it makes sense for Affinity to be like, if we have the, the casuals cornered in the market, you know, let's get the power users in.
26:16 David Imel? Yeah.
26:18 Speaker 04 And maybe they'll start charging us. Eventually, yes.
26:21 David Imel? Just to be accurate, if I add a seat to our Adobe Creative Cloud Pro Plus for Teams, it's about $1,500 a year. Excel, Excel Ultra.
26:31 Speaker 04 Yeah.
26:31 David Imel? 1,500? Okay. Well, um, speaking of adding things, uh, Samsung added another screen to its tri-fold and we've been talking-
26:42 Speaker 04 Another screen to its tri-fold?
26:43 David Imel? Well, it's actually the same amount of screens. It's just they added a fold. True. They added an additional fold. They added a fold. We finally got our first look at the Samsung tri-fold phone. We had previously just seen animations of this and they had mentioned it would come out before the end of the year. It is currently November 5th. We'll see if that happens.
27:02 Speaker 01 This is the most careful, slow rollout imaginable. Like first it's an animation-
27:08 David Imel? Yeah.
27:08 Speaker 01 And the name, and then it's like a little glyph on their, on their presentation. Now it's behind a glass, so no one can touch it, but it's showing it closed and open. So you can't see it closed or open, but you can see what it looks like closed and opened.
27:23 David Imel? Yeah.
27:23 Speaker 01 And it is indeed a roughly, what, 6.7 inch phone closed and a 10 inch tablet open.
27:30 David Imel? Yes.
27:31 Speaker 01 So that's exciting. That's the whole point. You get a real tablet sized screen while it's open.
27:36 David Imel? The thing that is slightly less exciting is that those bezels are thick with multiple Cs.
27:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, I have a hotter take about that.
27:43 David Imel? Oh, interesting. The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough.
27:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, those bezels were.
27:49 David Imel? They were thick.
27:52 David Imel? I mean, I mean, the main screen on the front was like, it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone. So, you know, this is better than that. What is your hot take? I'm curious now.
28:04 Speaker 01 My hot take on bezels is YouTube comments and most of us nerds way overreact to bezel thickness. And I, I get this comment a lot, like I'll have two phones next to each other and I'll compare them and I'll be like, see, man, this phone looks like basically just as premium. And someone will go, look at the bezels on the S26 FE. Disgusting, horrible, unacceptable. And they're next to each other and it's literally one millimeter more bezel and they're serious and they're like, I could never use a phone with that much bezel. I'm like, dude, if you, maybe it's because I'm old or something, but if you rewind like seven, eight, nine years, when phones actually had thick bezels. I'm like, dude, every phone today, north of $200 has thin bezels. I don't care. Like, I'm not looking at the bezels.
28:49 Speaker 01 Do you remember the bathtub notch? Do you remember like the actually thick bezels? So I see this and I, you know, yeah, the bezels are a little thicker, but they're not even that much thicker than.
28:59 Andrew Manganelli? Real bezels.
29:01 Speaker 01 The first fold had that crazy like outside screen like that. That was genuinely, you can complain about how thick the bezels are.
29:08 David Imel? For sure.
29:08 Speaker 01 But now as I'm using basically all of these phones, all of them have thin enough bezels. And I'm reviewing a phone right now that has like, they're bragging about how thin the bezels are. They invented a new technology to fold the OLED even closer to the edges to get 1.15 millimeter bezels instead of 1.5 millimeter bezels. Which to them is like a 40% improvement, but to me, I'm like,
29:29 Speaker 01 hey, man, thin bezels all the way around. It looks great.
29:32 David Imel? Retina bezels.
29:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I, I love thin bezels as much as anyone else, but I am not getting nearly as worked up. I think people are overreacting to thick bezels.
29:40 David Imel? Yeah, I'm, I'm not really worked up about it.
29:42 Andrew Manganelli? What I will say is funny about this is the thick bezels are on the front and the inside, whereas like the inside's this crazy new technology to get all of that. And I understand it. The outside's still really thick for just the front side of the phone, which I presume is something they've done already. Maybe I'm wrong. It's just, I think it's also just how square the thing looks, that the, the really black big bezels do the whole thing just makes it look. Like a toy almost.
30:09 David Imel? Yeah, I have a prediction.
30:11 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
30:11 David Imel? My prediction is that it will come out this year, but only in Korea.
30:15 Andrew Manganelli? That was mine also, too.
30:16 David Imel? Very likely.
30:17 Andrew Manganelli? Mine was, yeah, announced and comes out this year, and I don't think we see it in the US till next year.
30:23 David Imel? Yeah, and it'll be like limited, like a thousand units, something like that.
30:28 Andrew Manganelli? For some reason, if you've never heard us talk about the tri-fold before, and you don't know why it's so weird as well.
30:35 David Imel? Yeah.
30:36 Andrew Manganelli? Is the way it folds.
30:38 David Imel? Yeah.
30:38 Andrew Manganelli? And we got to see kind of a picture of it closed from the top. And because it folds where the, so the, this is always hard to convey audio.
30:48 David Imel? Yeah.
30:49 Andrew Manganelli? So if you are holding your phone, what you're gonna do is you're going to take the screen and flip it to the left. And then that part is going to have to flip out one more time. And so you, the way you look at it from above, almost looks like if you took the letters, the number six and like squashed it.
31:06 David Imel? So the letter G.
31:08 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, the letter G. It looks like a squash letter G. And what that happens is on the back now, which we haven't seen before, is we have a triple camera setup, very similar to like the.
31:19 David Imel? S25.
31:20 Andrew Manganelli? Like S25, regular S25s. And when you're looking at it from the back, you have the, the camera panel in the back on the left.
31:27 David Imel? Then the front screen.
31:28 Andrew Manganelli? Then the front screen on the right, and then just a blank panel.
31:31 David Imel? Yeah.
31:31 Andrew Manganelli? On the side of that, because that is the screen that is kind of living on the inside of it.
31:36 David Imel? Yeah.
31:36 Speaker 03 Wait, so the screen is in the center, you mean?
31:38 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
31:38 David Imel? Yeah, the center of the back, when it's open. Yeah, which is awesome, because the Huawei tri-fold, every time you open it, you think you're gonna break it. So. I actually think this is, this is pretty ideal. Yes. Ideal tri-fold setup. Yeah, I can't wait, dude.
31:53 Andrew Manganelli? It's pretty cool. What I want to know is.
31:54 David Imel? Can't wait.
31:55 Andrew Manganelli? If we're going to, let's assume this is the same thickness as the Fold 7, which is 4.2 millimeters.
32:03 David Imel? Thicker.
32:04 Andrew Manganelli? I also think it's going to be thicker, but even still, just thinking of it as the, the really thin new 4.2 thinness of like the opened Fold 7.
32:14 David Imel? Yeah.
32:15 Andrew Manganelli? Now we add that together and we're at 12.6 millimeters thick. At closed, which is funny, because that actually would fall between the Fold 5 and the Fold 6.
32:25 David Imel? Wow.
32:25 Andrew Manganelli? In terms of thickness, which is kind of impressive. I thought it would have.
32:29 David Imel? Crazy.
32:29 Andrew Manganelli? Original fold was 17 millimeters thick.
32:32 David Imel? Oh, my gosh. Again.
32:35 Speaker 01 That phone has some thick, thick bezels, thick dimensions, and that's fine. Yeah, yeah, so.
32:41 Andrew Manganelli? But that's still really, that's still a chunker phone.
32:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, I'm curious about it because I want to hold it too. I want to like use it while it's close and I, I think with a 10 inch inside screen, you kind of have to go a little thicker to have more battery because Samsung's not doing silicon carbon. So how much battery do you get to fit in this phone? I don't know.
33:01 David Imel? Unless they move to silicon carbon with that phone.
33:03 Speaker 01 Maybe with this low volume, they could. I don't know. They haven't done it in any of their phones yet, so I kind of don't.
33:07 David Imel? But couldn't you put battery in all three of the folds?
33:09 Speaker 01 Yes, definitely. So you have more room for more battery, which is great. And you only need the compute and theoretically one of the three.
33:16 David Imel? Yeah.
33:16 Speaker 01 Parts. So maybe it's just all battery in the rest?
33:18 Andrew Manganelli? Especially because normally you have to add it into, so when it's a folding phone and has two batteries, one of them has a screen on the front and back and the other has screen and cameras on the back.
33:27 David Imel? Now one can be all.
33:28 Andrew Manganelli? There's a whole panel that's only screen on the front now. So I wonder if that gives them more room to shove battery in.
33:34 Speaker 01 That'd be nice. Yeah, that'd be nice.
33:36 David Imel? Be cool.
33:37 Speaker 03 I have a question for you guys.
33:38 Andrew Manganelli? We probably don't have an answer.
33:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
33:40 Speaker 03 It's more of a speculation. How many more times do you think they're going to tease this before it launches?
33:45 David Imel? Multiple.
33:46 Speaker 01 Okay, so they're going to keep going.
33:47 Speaker 03 Five?
33:48 Speaker 01 They're going to keep going on this path. So, right, it was just a glyph?
33:51 David Imel? Well, first, first it was an animation that was in like the system files within the Galaxy Fold 6.
33:59 Andrew Manganelli? No, it first was when they said the, because I remember a very funny story about this, is in the beginning of the year when they announced XR at the Galaxy Unpacked event, they had this timeline.
34:09 Speaker 01 Yes.
34:09 Andrew Manganelli? And in the timeline, there was just a trifle that no one mentioned. And we were, that's what, that's what you're talking about with the glyph? Yeah.
34:15 David Imel? Yeah.
34:15 Andrew Manganelli? We were talking to our VRP, or the people we talked about because we did the Muhan.
34:20 David Imel? The Android XR people.
34:21 Andrew Manganelli? And I was just like, so what do you guys think of, like, do you think that timeline's going to be accurate that you guys posted? And like, one of them was just thinking of only about the headset, like blah blah, and the one other guy was like, hold on. We don't know about that. I like very clearly saw me trying to prod at the tripod.
34:36 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
34:36 Andrew Manganelli? That nobody said anything about. So yeah, that's when we first saw it. Then, yeah, it was like a new Android animation.
34:41 David Imel? Yeah, it was like an animation that was like in the system files of Android that someone had uncovered that showed the way that it unfolded.
34:48 Andrew Manganelli? And how to not fold it.
34:49 David Imel? Yeah.
34:49 Andrew Manganelli? The wrong way.
34:50 David Imel? Yeah.
34:50 Speaker 01 So if I continue to extrapolate and, you know, Samsung's now showing us the phone behind glass, but no one can touch it. I think then they're going, they're going to have a small number of people go in and be able to point cameras at it and probably just take pictures of it. And then someone will be able to unfold it on video and then someone will be able to maybe make a whole review of it. They're going to tease this out as deliberately and slowly as possible because they've seen what happens when they maybe aren't so careful with their folding devices.
35:21 David Imel? They're gonna give us that IV drip, you know?
35:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. I was gonna say, remember the Surface Duo embargo?
35:28 David Imel? I was literally gonna say that.
35:30 Andrew Manganelli? Also just gonna ask about this.
35:32 David Imel? I almost mentioned that.
35:33 Andrew Manganelli? What if we create a new rule? You get one embargo per screen on your device. So I would be okay if this has three embargos on it.
35:41 David Imel? So the Nintendo DS would have had two.
35:43 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. One embargo. I'm also just joking. It should always be one embargo. Maybe an impressions and a release.
35:48 David Imel? For reference, the Surface Duo embargo situation, there was three embargos. There was one that was just, you could talk about the thing at the event. There was one where you could review the hardware, but not show the screen on, which was insane. And then there was like the full embargo, which came out on the day that people got their phones. Which was like-
36:10 Speaker 01 Where you can review the rest of the phone.
36:11 David Imel? The red flags were very prominent.
36:13 Speaker 01 That was such a, the clearest red flag of all time because in the meantime, we're testing it behind the scenes and we're like, oh, the software's really bad.
36:20 David Imel? The digitizer didn't work.
36:22 Speaker 01 Really buggy. But when you turn the screen off, it's like stunningly thin and really, really beautiful. And then the embargo says, you're allowed to show off the stunningly thin and beautiful part, but you can't show the software until people are already pre-ordering the thing. That was-
36:33 David Imel? I think it was the day that they got their devices. Like, the day the pre- came in was the day that the actual review embargo lifted.
36:39 Speaker 01 Okay, yeah, even worse.
36:40 David Imel? So many red flags.
36:41 Speaker 01 So that's a, that's a huge red flag. That still happens today, by the way. Like, there are lots of phones where I skip the first embargo because the first embargo is, "You're allowed to acknowledge its existence." And then the second embargo is, "You're allowed to publish photos taken on its camera." And then the third embargo is, "You're allowed to unbox it." And then the fourth embargo is, "You're allowed to review it." And I just skip all of the first three. Why would I participate in the free press and just wait until I review the thing? So, yeah, it, it happens to this day. It's kind of rampant. I think that's going to happen with this phone when people get in their hands to review. We're gonna, I'm gonna try to get one anyway. I'm gonna try to, like, source one through retail or Dbrand and whatever we can, just to, just to review the thing because it seems sick.
37:19 David Imel? Yeah.
37:20 Speaker 01 But yeah, I guarantee they're gonna slow drip this thing.
37:22 David Imel? Yeah. I don't mind multiple embargoes as long as the last one is before people can spend their money.
37:26 Speaker 01 That all heart agree. It's a good rule.
37:28 David Imel? Yeah, that's a good rule. Speaking of spending money,
37:33 David Imel? me, if I were to bet money on trivia.
37:38 David Imel? But, uh, we can't do that according to the FCC. And we shouldn't do that. I'm just joking. We probably could.
37:46 Speaker 01 Online gambling is melting.
37:47 David Imel? By the way, speaking of gambling, I was at, I was at a party that, the other night, and they had, uh, they had poker tables. Hmm. And I walked in like a big baller. And I played one hand, and I won one hand, and then I pieced the [bleep] out. And it was great. I was like, "I'm statistically improbably up."
38:05 Speaker 01 Casinos hate him.
38:06 David Imel? Yeah.
38:07 Speaker 01 And I made-
38:07 David Imel? Casinos hate him. They hate this one rule. And $37, baby, $37. I got three aces. That's a crazy-
38:17 Speaker 01 Wait, you sat down for one hand and, and hold them?
38:20 David Imel? David-
38:20 Speaker 01 And got triple aces?
38:21 David Imel? You can't, wait.
38:22 Speaker 01 And then pieced?
38:23 David Imel? Yeah, because I'm not gonna get that luck again. If you have two aces and there's one in the-
38:27 Speaker 01 Oh, okay.
38:28 David Imel? Or in the river. And, yeah.
38:29 Speaker 01 That's insane. When I, I got, I think. Did you have, like, a good poker face the whole time? Like, you sat down for your first hand, holding two aces?
38:36 David Imel? Yeah.
38:37 Speaker 01 And you got a, an ace on the turn and just- How did you not take everyone's money? Those $37?
38:43 David Imel? There was a guy that tried to, he was like 15, because the minimum bet was five. And he, he was like 15, and I was like, "Okay."
38:51 David Imel? I should've just gone all in because it was a hundred dollar buy-in, but whatever.
38:55 Speaker 04 That is hilarious. Well, I'm glad it worked out.
38:58 David Imel? Alright, I guess. Yeah, whatever. I mean, I have a basis.
39:01 Speaker 04 Well, you know what's not worth 15? Unless you give me 15 points on? Today's trivia question? Yeah. I'll think about it. Okay. But low-temperature polycrystalline oxide, or LTPO, was developed by Apple when they were trying to get a more efficient OLED screen together. Okay. Samsung, to navigate patent law, actually developed their own similar technology, which can be found in the S25 lineup. What is Samsung's version of LTPO called? It has a very silly name.
39:40 Speaker 03 That's a great question, and I didn't know it.
39:43 Speaker 04 Very goofy. I thought I knew it, but now I'm feeling like I might not. I'll give you a hint. Big speed pixels? I'll think of a hint that doesn't give it all away. Mark has really bold.
39:54 Speaker 03 He already wrote it.
39:56 Speaker 04 Anyway. Fan Edition.
40:03 Speaker 04 Finally, a tech question on the Waveform Podcast. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. Okay.
40:08 David Imel? Wow.
40:08 Speaker 04 Well, hey, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll either get it right, or we'll learn something. Be right back.
40:13 David Imel? We're bold.
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42:30 Speaker 03 Welcome back. This is now the Adam Cast because for the next 48 minutes, I'm just going to yell at you about the new Teenage Engineering product and you are going to sit there and be happy. Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor. No, basically Teenage Engineering released a new sampler product called the Rhythm and Ting, getting major inspiration from Jamaican reggae. Oh, it's on purpose. Yeah, yeah, it's on purpose. They collabed with a bunch of artists to like get custom sounds and samples in there from Jamaica and everything like that. Also, some of the proceeds go to Hurricane relief, I believe, which is cool.
43:08 David Imel? Nice.
43:09 Speaker 03 You guys had questions, you said?
43:10 David Imel? What is it?
43:11 Speaker 03 What is it? What is it?
43:14 Andrew Manganelli? What is it and why do I want it despite not knowing what it is?
43:17 Speaker 03 Everything they make looks like a fun toy. It's a fun, cool thing. If you remember, I think last year, was it last year, early this year? I forget, but we interviewed on this very podcast, someone from Teenage Engineering, one of the co-founders, to talk about their release of the EP133, which was a sample little box thing. So this is also based on that platform. This is the, wait, checks notes, checks notes, the EP40. So the EP is just the platform that they have, which is this like box situation with a bunch of buttons and they all kind of look the same. Like they developed it specifically so they can make a bunch of different versions of these things with different sounds and looks and features and all that stuff.
44:02 Speaker 03 So the first one was the EP133 that we spoke about during that interview a year ago. The second one was the medieval one, which was like, when it launched, I think everyone here in the studio was a little confused. We were like, is this a joke or not? But it's, it kind of was. It's like, it's a sampler box, but with medieval sounds.
44:22 David Imel? I loved it.
44:22 Speaker 03 In it, like harpsichord and stuff.
44:24 David Imel? I love it.
44:25 Speaker 03 Yeah.
44:25 David Imel? I own a harpsichord, by the way.
44:26 Speaker 03 Nice. Big organ guy. When are you gonna bring it in? They had organ in there too, I believe.
44:30 David Imel? Yeah, I can bring it in whenever you want. What?
44:33 Speaker 04 I've been to your apartment. Where's your harpsichord?
44:35 Andrew Manganelli? It's in the harpsichord room.
44:38 Speaker 03 It is a room.
44:39 David Imel? Yeah, it's in my mom's house.
44:40 Speaker 04 Oh, okay. I was like, it took me a second to register, because that's not like a small instrument.
44:45 David Imel? Fun fact, in high school, I played harpsichord and I played ocarina and I also played didgeridoo.
44:50 Speaker 04 Why can't you play a normal instrument?
44:52 David Imel? That is unreal.
44:56 Andrew Manganelli? I'm imagining like the, those like, uh, street performers that have a bunch connected together and him having those three somehow.
45:04 David Imel? Dude, you would have crushed with that. What's this one?
45:06 Andrew Manganelli? Accordion?
45:06 David Imel? Accordion? We had an accordion in my band.
45:08 Speaker 04 Accordion's too normal. He needs like harmonium.
45:10 David Imel? Yeah.
45:12 Speaker 03 Yeah, sorry.
45:13 David Imel? You would have been the greatest one man band of all time.
45:16 Speaker 03 I was a special type of hippie in high school, I'll tell you that.
45:19 David Imel? David, I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that. I'm really sorry.
45:21 Speaker 03 No, I totally deserved that. Anyway, continue. I think it's cool, David. Thanks, Adam. Continue. Yeah, so this EP40 is their latest installment of the platform, basically, which has a bunch of like rhythm sounds and bass sounds. It has a new synth engine that they're calling Supertone. And I think, I believe you got like seven different synths in it, which is cool. That is something that the other versions did not have, so that is like purely new. But the coolest thing, the thing that you guys mentioned probably before we started recording, but it is the little like walkie talkie device. The coolest thing. The coolest thing. Nice, nice.
45:57 Andrew Manganelli? What is the like trucker radio called, Ellis?
46:02 Speaker 03 Like the always on like?
46:03 David Imel? Like ham?
46:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like this looks like the thing, like if you're a truck and you're like breaker breaker. Or like a cop and yeah, it's like connected to the side.
46:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, but if like Fisher Price made it.
46:13 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, like really sick Fisher Price.
46:15 Speaker 03 Yeah, because it's like multiple colors. PBT Fisher Price. So basically, all that thing is, is a microphone. That's it. Yes. But it has certain features. So for example, the, I think if you guys listen to,
46:31 Speaker 03 I think the most recent Trivia Extravaganza, Ellis had a section where he transformed his voice into a bunch of different things. That is something that this does. It has chipmunk sound, it has robot sound, it has just be, being like a regular microphone, so you could like talk into it, kind of like a walkie talkie. Then there's a fourth option, which is like a lofi version, so it makes it sound like it's coming out of like an old radio kind of thing. It's pretty cool. And then the microphone also has two buttons that let you play for samples, I believe. Like preloaded samples. So the whole thing, basically, it's not too much different than their last two products, which is, it's basically just a sampling machine.
47:10 Andrew Manganelli? With a theme?
47:12 Speaker 03 With a theme, yeah. So they're all kind of the same. You can, like, if you have an older sampler machine, you can pretty much just load up all of these samples onto it, for the most part, minus the, the new synth, and they also have new loops that you can do on here. But for the most part, it's like, you can just get these sounds, anything. It's just the cool aesthetic of it. They all kind of match the, the vibe for every individual.
47:32 Andrew Manganelli? The orange, green is so good on like the cream color. It's... It is.
47:38 David Imel? I like their running with these new themes because even though they really set the bar for the style that they had with their old stuff, they had been doing that specific style for such a long time that it became a little bit like other people were copying them and it started to be a kind of an old aesthetic. And now that they're getting into the medieval stuff and the reggae styled stuff, like I think that it's cool that they're just like reaching out like that.
47:59 Andrew Manganelli? They're keeping their like identity in it with like these bits of orange, but then they, when like normal teenage engineering is very like robotic.
48:07 David Imel? Yeah.
48:08 Andrew Manganelli? They're bringing in all these fun new fonts and like colors and yeah, like pictures on it while still keeping that like creamy with hints of orange and then adding another hint of some color. And it's just.
48:19 David Imel? I really wish I was artistically talented.
48:22 Andrew Manganelli? Agreed. I mean, me too.
48:24 David Imel? Yeah, same.
48:26 Speaker 04 What is, what does this thing do that the old EP133 does, doesn't do? And what does the EP133 do that this doesn't do?
48:34 Speaker 03 The old EP133, I believe, does nothing different than this one. This new one has two new features. That is the supertone synth engine and live looping, I believe, or looping, something with looping. It's like a new looping mode that they have. So you can like play along with preloaded loops and stuff. So they just like kind of built on top of what the EP133 already did. And the original EP133 also had like 64 megabytes of memory. This one has 128, so it has double that, baby. A whole 128 megabytes.
49:13 David Imel? Taking every ounce of restriction in my body to not buy the $630 Bluetooth speaker.
49:19 Speaker 03 Oh, that Bluetooth speaker's fire.
49:21 David Imel? Because the top of it looks, look at this.
49:24 Andrew Manganelli? It kind of looks like a battery, like a car battery.
49:27 David Imel? Yeah. Don't you want a car battery looking speaker?
49:29 Speaker 03 Teenage engineering is like one of those companies where everything they release has like huge fanfare and everyone loves them. And then a whole other side of the internet that everyone hates it. It's like, why is this thing so expensive?
49:41 David Imel? Because it's form over function.
49:43 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's just like a fun thing and they charge for that.
49:47 David Imel? Yeah, for sure. They have a $900 version with a sticker on it. Sick. The little John Lennon.
49:53 Speaker 03 They have a desk that's like two G's or something. Like it's crazy.
49:56 David Imel? Yeah. No, I, this is not. They also had a free computer case, so they just mess around sometimes.
50:02 Speaker 03 Yeah, they just mess around and do things.
50:03 Andrew Manganelli? The loop thing, it says a live loop performance mode. So it seems like you can loop live.
50:08 David Imel? Ooh, Mark R. B. A. is salivating.
50:10 Andrew Manganelli? Speaker or something.
50:11 David Imel? Um, Adam, did you already buy the, the pack that comes with the rhythm ting and the bag?
50:17 Andrew Manganelli? The bag is.
50:18 Speaker 03 I did not get the bag, but I.
50:19 David Imel? Didn't get the bag?
50:20 Speaker 03 Cause I already have a Teenage Engineering bag that John will.
50:23 David Imel? You're the bag guy.
50:24 Speaker 03 I know, but I have too many bags, bro. I'm trying to like cut back.
50:27 David Imel? Bag guy by Billy Eyelash.
50:28 Speaker 03 Got the, the version that did not have the bag.
50:31 Andrew Manganelli? Did you get the socks?
50:33 Speaker 03 No, no.
50:33 Andrew Manganelli? Thirty dollars socks.
50:35 Speaker 03 Thirty dollars.
50:35 David Imel? That ain't bad. It comes with two pairs. Oh, no, it doesn't. Two pack.
50:39 Speaker 03 Two pack?
50:40 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, two pack. No, that is two pairs.
50:41 Speaker 03 Is that two socks or two pairs?
50:42 David Imel? No, two pack. I think it comes with two socks.
50:44 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, two socks.
50:46 Speaker 03 A two pack?
50:47 David Imel? They should not come out of two pack.
50:49 Andrew Manganelli? No.
50:49 David Imel? Wait.
50:50 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, it comes with.
50:51 David Imel? Are you sure?
50:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, I'm sure. It's one's green and one's white.
50:54 David Imel? Well, yeah. Well, yes, that's two socks.
50:56 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, one pair is green, one pair is white. Look, yep, rhythm ting, rhythm ting.
51:03 David Imel? Okay.
51:04 Speaker 03 You guys really think a two pack of socks is only two socks?
51:07 David Imel? I, you can never tell with Teenage Engineering. You can never tell.
51:11 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's hard.
51:12 David Imel? Like you call it a pair of pants. You know what I mean? But it's one pant.
51:15 Speaker 03 It's pants.
51:16 David Imel? It's, you get two pant legs, but they're connected, but you still call it a pair.
51:21 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I guess. I don't want to do the sock argument any longer. I don't think.
51:24 David Imel? I kinda wanna stay in the sock argument.
51:27 David Imel? Two pack socks and green and white pair. That still isn't clear.
51:32 Andrew Manganelli? A green and white pair.
51:33 David Imel? That's not clear.
51:34 Andrew Manganelli? A green pair and a white pair.
51:35 David Imel? That's not, a green and white pair, a green and white pair.
51:39 Andrew Manganelli? You can count four socks, cause they have the names on them. They have the diff, cause each sock.
51:43 David Imel? Oh, you have to scroll. You have to scroll. Okay, it's two pairs. Confirmed. It's not clear until you scroll through the pictures that you're getting. Because one picture of a green and a white sock could just be something quirky that they're doing.
51:56 Speaker 03 Yeah.
51:56 David Imel? And then it says.
51:57 Speaker 03 I agree with that. I did originally think one was green.
51:59 David Imel? Which could be a pair that is green and white. You should say a green pair and a white pair if they want to be clear. That's what they should say. If they want to be clear. Anyway.
52:06 Speaker 03 Well, yeah, this is, uh, pretty much if you are at all paying attention to what Teenage Engineering has been doing with this platform, if you were a fan of the other ones, you'd probably be a fan of this one. If it's not for you, then you're not going to like this one either.
52:19 David Imel? Do you already own the other one, Adam?
52:20 Speaker 03 Yeah, I own both of these. And now I ordered this one, so I own all three.
52:24 Speaker 04 I want it. This is like the first Teenage Engineering product I've wanted. You can play with it. I'll bring it in.
52:28 Speaker 03 Yeah.
52:29 David Imel? And yet you sold your OP1.
52:31 Speaker 03 I did. I sold the OP1 many moons ago. I miss it.
52:34 David Imel? Okay. Well, speaking of green things, um, Fairphone launched the green Fairphone 6 this year.
52:40 Speaker 03 Nice.
52:41 David Imel? Wow. I know, pretty green. Evergreen. And, uh, we talked about it quite a lot, but Fairphone has traditionally only been a European brand, and that's kind of been a bummer. Right. I did, uh, get one of my close friends on a Fairphone very recently. I was very proud of her because she came from an iPhone and...
52:59 Speaker 03 From an iPhone to a Fairphone?
53:01 David Imel? Yeah, I know. It was crazy.
53:03 Speaker 03 That's an amazing accomplishment. What did you do to sell this to her?
53:05 David Imel? No, so it was amazing. So actually what happened was that we, I had just had a briefing with Fairphone about the Fairphone 6 being sent to us. And then she texts me randomly and she was, she sent me a link to the Fairphone 5 and she was like, "If I get this, then I can like offload. I don't have to deal with Apple anymore." And I was like, "Oh, well, I'm getting a 6." Anyway, it's incredible. And...
53:26 Speaker 03 I have never heard anyone utter that sentence.
53:28 David Imel? Yeah. She's complained about it a lot for sure, but I keep saying I won't be upset if you move back to your iPhone. And she's like, "No, I'm committed." She's committed. But the fun thing about it is that she broke one of the cameras. And I was like, "Oh, I'm going to get you a new camera." And she's like, "No, no, no, it's fine." And I said, "This is more for me than for you." Because... Let me do this. The whole point of this phone is that you can order individual parts. I need this use case to be real. Yes. So I was able to order an individual camera module that I can replace in her.
53:57 Speaker 03 How much was the camera module?
53:58 David Imel? Uh, I don't know.
53:59 Speaker 03 Do you remember?
53:59 David Imel? No, I don't remember. But anyway, the news is that they are finally moving out of Europe. They are finally coming to the United States. So through Amazon, at launch, they're going to be launching the Fairbuds XL, which we talked about last year a little bit, but they have a new version coming out that apparently improves on everything. So that's nice.
54:19 Andrew Manganelli? Everything?
54:20 David Imel? Yeah, we had the briefing, he was like, "It's better drivers, it's a better headband, it's more replaceable." And they're not changing the name at all, which is interesting. They're just sort of improving everything and making them nicer.
54:29 Andrew Manganelli? Sure.
54:30 David Imel? So those are coming out very soon on Amazon. And then also in the future, they will be launching the Fairphone 6 in the United States as well. They're in advanced talks with a lot of US carriers to actually get it registered on carriers. So you will officially be able to, you know, put a SIM card in it and, you know, do that and maybe do eSIM. So I think that apparently the company grew 61% year over year this year, which means that people are really starting to be excited about their whole, you know, low mining movement and stuff like that, very repairability movement, at least in Europe. And I think that there is a similar kind of movement in the United States,
55:14 David Imel? although we are mostly dominated by iOS, so we'll see how that happens in the US. But either way, it's like exciting that you can finally officially buy this and not have to, you know, import it and then kind of have it work on your carrier.
55:26 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I mean, a lot of our listeners are based in the US and they hear us talk about Fairphone, so now they might actually be able to.
55:32 David Imel? Yeah, so that's a pretty good deal.
55:34 Speaker 03 I'm really curious to see how it does.
55:37 David Imel? Yeah, me too.
55:37 Speaker 03 Yeah, like Europe, it's a lot of Android phones. So it's like a bigger pool for them to kind of dominate. That is not the case here, although it is growing, I guess.
55:47 David Imel? There's a growing environmentally conscious swath of people in the United States.
55:52 Speaker 03 I mean, Ellis is very environmentally conscious, but good luck getting him off of iOS.
55:56 David Imel? Well, exactly. His way of contributing to environmental protectionism is just never upgrading from his iPhone 12 mini, which, you know, he's doing his part. Anyway, so that was some quick news. Also, we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin, only slightly thicker than the iPhone Air, but it has a 4,800-million-hour battery, which is wild.
56:29 Speaker 01 That's crazy. The S25 Ultra has a 5,000 milliamp hour battery.
56:35 Andrew Manganelli? Imagining Marques like in a cave painting 4,800 milliamp hours.
56:42 David Imel? Silicon carb.
56:44 Speaker 01 Yeah, I love me some silicon carb. This is, this is how you enable this form factor to actually be usable because this is what I was saying with the S25 Edge and the iPhone Air, which is like, okay, they're super thin and they have obviously worse batteries because physics. But silicon carbon allowing you to get greater energy density in these smaller batteries. This is the thing that would make it usable and at least be less concerning to me that you could use the phone all day. And here comes Motorola of all people, Moto Edge 70. They go ultra thin. It is silicon carbon. Yes. And it is 4,800 milliamp hours. So it probably has a bigger battery than the phone you're using now. The S25 Plus battery today is 4,900 milliamp hours.
57:24 David Imel? So it's almost the same.
57:25 Speaker 01 So it's basically the same battery as a regular phone.
57:28 David Imel? Yeah, love that. Yeah, you know, I am still on team. Instead of making it thinner with the same battery life, just make it the same thickness with way better battery.
57:37 Speaker 01 Well, those phones are coming. Don't worry.
57:39 David Imel? Yeah, don't worry. That's true. I'm excited.
57:41 Speaker 01 But if you want the ultra thinness, that too can be.
57:44 David Imel? Yeah. And if everyone wants to eventually make foldables, it makes sense to make things that are ultra thin now so that they can just adapt it to a foldable in the future.
57:53 Andrew Manganelli? When I was writing this, I kept getting confused because it's called the Edge, which to Motorola's credit, they've had the Edge name for a while.
58:00 David Imel? Yeah.
58:01 Andrew Manganelli? It's been, it's been their flagship.
58:03 David Imel? They had the Razor Edge for a while too.
58:05 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. And so this makes perfect sense, but I kept writing Samsung Edge.
58:08 David Imel? Oh.
58:09 Andrew Manganelli? Or I kept writing Edge, but then I had to, because I was comparing it to the Samsung, which if you want exact thicknesses, this is 5.99 millimeters thick.
58:16 David Imel? Yeah.
58:16 Andrew Manganelli? iPhone Air is 5.6 millimeters and the Samsung Edge is 5.8 millimeters. Also, battery wise, 4,800 milliamp hours on the Motorola Edge, 3149 in the Air, 3,900 in the Samsung Edge.
58:29 David Imel? Wow.
58:30 Andrew Manganelli? So it is doing great versus all of those, despite being barely, barely thicker. I think it's like.
58:36 David Imel? Yeah, less than a millimeter.
58:38 Andrew Manganelli? Less than a third of a millimeter or like a third of a millimeter.
58:42 David Imel? Yeah.
58:42 Andrew Manganelli? But so we haven't gotten one. There's some reviews up on it. There's two things I found interesting. For $920.
58:49 David Imel? Which is a lot.
58:50 Andrew Manganelli? This phone is apparently just cooked with bloatware and ads. It includes things like Candy Crush, Monopoly, Pinterest, Copilot, all pre-installed.
59:02 David Imel? Nothing's looking pretty good right now, not gonna lie.
59:05 Andrew Manganelli? Including, that's why I said then, like, we'll talk about bloatware.
59:08 David Imel? Yeah.
59:09 Andrew Manganelli? Including a ton of Motorola apps, apparently.
59:11 David Imel? Wow.
59:12 Andrew Manganelli? And then they also have ads in two different forms from what I've seen, which is, one is a folder in the app drawer that dynamically recommends apps that you might want.
59:20 Speaker 01 That you don't have installed.
59:21 Andrew Manganelli? That you don't have installed.
59:22 Speaker 01 My least favorite thing.
59:22 Andrew Manganelli? And then also a live lock screen. And according to The Verge, sometimes it shows links to articles, but about every fourth lock screen change is just a fullscreen Timu ad.
59:33 David Imel? No way, dude.
59:35 Andrew Manganelli? So, for, that is crazy. For like a hundred dollar phone, it's $920 and you get this.
59:42 Speaker 04 Not the, the, the capitalist nightmare phone. This is.
59:46 David Imel? Marquez is your, still, ying right now.
59:49 Speaker 01 This is the thing about Motorola, like, they've had a bunch of phones come out over the past couple of years that are like, they, they, they're a blip on the radar and we see them and we go, huh. And then we just kind of move on. Like, they've been, like, strong in the budget space for a while. And then every six to eight months, they come out with a flagship and we go, ah, it's not really hitting. Like, they, they did an okay job here and it will kind of pass, but like, this is another version of, and this isn't even a flagship, like, chip in this phone or flagship camera in this phone, this is just a very thin phone.
1:00:20 Andrew Manganelli? It's also not a US device.
1:00:21 Speaker 01 It's a Snapdragon 7 Gen 4, uh, 900 something dollars to just, I mean, silicon carbon is great, but it's another.
1:00:29 David Imel? Other silicon carbon.
1:00:29 Speaker 01 It's another, like, weird kind of miss from Motorola in the flagship space, but they are doing things.
1:00:36 David Imel? They had to pay for the Pantone color swatch.
1:00:38 Andrew Manganelli? That was the other interesting thing I saw, I was like, is that a Pantone swatch on the bottom of?
1:00:42 Speaker 01 They've been doing this.
1:00:43 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think it's even a glass back, so I'm assuming the back's gonna change colors very quickly.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 Well, so they're.
1:00:48 Andrew Manganelli? And it's just a Pantone swatch also?
1:00:49 Speaker 01 They're for some reason obsessed with this, even, I think, like, four or five years ago, on the Razr. They were like, this, they have this, we have a, we have a phone in like, black, white, gray, and the Pantone Color of the Year, bright pink. And it was like, a whole big deal that they could use the Pantone Color of the Year, and they've just been doing it ever since, as if anyone cares about the Pantone Color of the Year.
1:01:10 David Imel? Yeah.
1:01:11 Speaker 03 But this one has the swatch picture on the back of the phone.
1:01:15 Speaker 01 They're leaning even more into it now.
1:01:16 David Imel? That goes kinda hard.
1:01:17 Speaker 01 It's kinda.
1:01:18 David Imel? I was gonna say, that is really cool.
1:01:19 Speaker 01 They have to explain to someone why you have a swatch on the back of your phone. And you gotta be like, oh, this is the Pantone color. And someone goes, well, what's that? And you have to go, oh.
1:01:28 Speaker 03 This would be so funny if it had the same manufacturing flaws the 17 orange did, where the whole phone starts shifting color, but the Pantone stays exactly the same. And you just can now see the difference.
1:01:40 Speaker 01 It would also be funny if Motorola stopped paying Pantone and then it just turned black like it did in Photoshop.
1:01:45 David Imel? You just lose access to the color.
1:01:47 Speaker 01 That would be crazy.
1:01:48 David Imel? That would be.
1:01:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, see, they did this last year. This was the Pantone color of the year.
1:01:51 David Imel? Mocha, moose.
1:01:53 Speaker 01 And the year before was Fiesta red.
1:01:55 David Imel? It's just brown.
1:01:56 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's just brown.
1:01:56 David Imel? To be clear.
1:01:57 Speaker 01 But it's a certain hex value of brown.
1:01:59 David Imel? Yeah, it's a special brown that you have to pay way too much for.
1:02:02 Speaker 01 That will eventually start wiping off in your pocket.
1:02:04 David Imel? Appreciate it, and no one else can appreciate it like you.
1:02:06 Speaker 03 I miss old Motorola. Honestly, I know they're still dominating the budget space, but like, they're still dominating.
1:02:12 Speaker 01 It's cliche to say, I miss the old insert whatever here, but old Motorola cooked for a while. They had the Droid, obviously, back in those days, but then they had like the Droid X and they had that sort of hard hitting.
1:02:24 David Imel? Droid.
1:02:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, and they had some bad phones too, like they usually do, but they had some good phones back in the day. It's good stuff.
1:02:30 Speaker 03 Well, that's the thing, they always had like a bunch of options.
1:02:33 Speaker 01 Moto X.
1:02:34 Speaker 03 Yeah, Moto X was a good one. Like, you can get a budget good Motorola, you could get a really cheap crappy Motorola phone, or like a top tier premium good Motorola phone. And then it just kinda like, they just shifted towards budget.
1:02:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:48 Speaker 04 Now, that's all one phone, baby. You get the top tier flagship and the disgusting budget experience all in one package.
1:02:55 Speaker 01 Candy crush, baby.
1:02:56 David Imel? Speak, real quick, speaking of like Google stuff, that like, that, cause we were, this is kinda, cause it's Android. And we were talking about the Fairphone. I just want to make one more observation about my friend who's been using the Fairphone. She was like, she was like, oh, and also like, when I swipe to the left, it has like these Google article recommendations and they're like amazing. And I was like, what?
1:03:18 Speaker 01 I wish I was that innocent.
1:03:20 David Imel? I was like, everything it ever-
1:03:21 Andrew Manganelli? My brother-in-law uses them too.
1:03:22 David Imel? Everything it ever serves me is just like shovelware, like horrible-
1:03:27 Andrew Manganelli? Mine are pretty good.
1:03:28 Speaker 04 Mine is awesome. What are you talking about? No, no, no. I stopped using the OnePlus phone because I couldn't turn that off. I was so upset.
1:03:36 Andrew Manganelli? My brother-in-law uses no social media, so that's just where he gets news from, pretty much. And so like-
1:03:42 David Imel? That's the same with her.
1:03:43 Andrew Manganelli? He always sends me stuff and he's like, oh, I just saw it on the whatever.
1:03:46 David Imel? She, she's like in school right now and she's been taking like these classes about monkeys. And apparently she's serving her a bunch of like different random chimpanzee articles and she finds it interesting. That's cool for you.
1:03:58 Speaker 01 Google knows a little bit about her.
1:03:59 David Imel? I told her, I was like, there is one Google engineer who is like, oh my God, it's working.
1:04:05 Speaker 01 The engagement on this one note is through the roof.
1:04:07 David Imel? Yeah, they just got a raise. That's how.
1:04:09 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. I've got one more thing to talk about and I'll try and make it really fast, even though it looks like I wrote a million things on it.
1:04:14 David Imel? Soulja Boy?
1:04:15 Andrew Manganelli? But it is new Soulja Boy copyright infringement just dropped.
1:04:18 Speaker 01 Tell them, man. Tell them.
1:04:21 Andrew Manganelli? You know, sometimes we just miss the old days in like 2017.
1:04:25 David Imel? You miss the old Soulja Boy?
1:04:25 Andrew Manganelli? I miss the old tech days of like DXO mark and screen to body ratios. And you know, sometimes you get something that reminds me of those days, which is Soulja Boy ripping off a fake gaming console and selling it for way too much money on his website.
1:04:39 David Imel? He did it again?
1:04:40 Andrew Manganelli? He did it again. And I just have to say-
1:04:44 David Imel? Holy crap.
1:04:44 Andrew Manganelli? My favorite part about this is it's available at SouljaBoy.net, which is the greatest domain name that's ever existed. But essentially this is, uh, it's called the Soulja Boy Flip for $436, has a 5.5 inch 1080p AMOLED screen, Snapdragon 865, 8 gigs of RAM, Android 13 for a premium retro gaming experience, active cooling, Wi-Fi 6, a 5,000 milliamp hour battery, which also something called the Retro pocket flip 2 does for $230.
1:05:14 David Imel? Yes, double the price.
1:05:16 Andrew Manganelli? It is the exact same thing, including all of the product photos on SouljaBoy.net are the exact same thing.
1:05:22 David Imel? SouljaBoy.net is a work of art. I just want to, just for audio listeners, I just want to tell you one by one, as I scroll down SouljaBoy.net, what you encounter.
1:05:31 Speaker 01 The first thing you see is him in a screenshot flexing a watch on a livestream. Then you scroll down and there's a tour and shop button. You scroll down again, there's a device, the flip. You scroll down one more time and there's smart glasses. Oh boy. And you scroll down one more time and there's just a Soulja Boy Tell Me Music video embedded from YouTube. What, what, why would you buy Soulja Boy smart glasses?
1:05:56 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, there's, he has a forum, forum posts?
1:05:59 Speaker 01 Where?
1:06:00 Andrew Manganelli? Forum comments.
1:06:01 Speaker 01 Oh no.
1:06:02 Andrew Manganelli? But.
1:06:02 Speaker 01 I love this website so much.
1:06:04 Speaker 04 Click on a 404s, it says there's nothing here.
1:06:08 Andrew Manganelli? There is one picture that is not directly ripped from the Retroid website. And that is a box that says Soulja Game, www.soulja boy.net as a sticker on a box. But if you look to the side, you can see the front of the box is the Retroid logo. So it's literally being shipped in the same box, which is a sticker on the side that says Soulja Game.
1:06:31 Speaker 01 How does this happen? Like, so I, sometimes I see this stuff and I'll see what looks like an obviously not very tech savvy celebrity who like, actually they got duped, where like someone came to them and they were like, I have an idea. We can sell these, this gadget with your name on it and your fans will love it. And then it's actually the celebrity that got duped. And this happened arguably with like, um, some other people with like crypto stuff. And now with this Soulja Boy thing, like, I don't, I don't understand how this, this guy who's online and knows this.
1:07:03 Andrew Manganelli? This time I can't answer that for you because I, I agree. This kind of feels like a drop shipper paying a celebrity to help them drop ship. It's really hard to do this when you've done this already and got in trouble for it.
1:07:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think you lose the benefit of the doubt.
1:07:17 Speaker 04 Is it really so bad to sell a white label product?
1:07:19 Andrew Manganelli? But this isn't even, this is like, not even AliExpress drop ship white label. This is like US company with a patent he's buying.
1:07:27 Speaker 01 And also without permission.
1:07:28 Andrew Manganelli? Putting a sticker on it. And that company has said, we have the patents for it.
1:07:31 Speaker 04 No one got mad at Aston Martin when they did it.
1:07:33 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know that reference.
1:07:35 Speaker 04 At, look, Google Aston Martin Signet. C Y G N E T.
1:07:39 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure people got mad.
1:07:40 Speaker 04 It's literally, it's literally a, it's a, it's a Toyota IQ that they just put an Aston Martin badge on and sold it as an Aston Martin.
1:07:49 Speaker 03 Did they buy it from Toyota?
1:07:50 Speaker 04 Uh, no, you could get it. This is a Toyota IQ at the same time. They just, it was when the EU changed their fuel economy laws so that the, you had to have an average MPG across your whole line.
1:07:59 David Imel? Is that when Volkswagen got in trouble because they were lying?
1:08:02 Speaker 04 No, this is separate. This is like, they needed to sell a really efficient car and all of Aston Martin's cars at the time were like these big V10.
1:08:11 Speaker 04 And anyway, so yeah, they just, but, but no one was like, oh, they're scamming people. You know what I mean? So why come after Solja?
1:08:18 Speaker 04 Tell me, tell me.
1:08:20 David Imel? If you buy the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 from Retroid, it's $209. So it's literally half the price.
1:08:26 Speaker 04 But maybe you want the Solja brand.
1:08:28 David Imel? No, but.
1:08:28 Andrew Manganelli? But the Solja brand is just not a sticker on the box.
1:08:31 David Imel? It's a sticker on the box. It's not even on the device.
1:08:33 Andrew Manganelli? Nothing on the device says Solja brand. It's literally, it comes in the box that he bought it from Retroid in.
1:08:39 David Imel? With a small sticker.
1:08:41 Speaker 04 I think, I think we live in a world where everything is just a white labeled something. So.
1:08:45 David Imel? Yeah.
1:08:46 Speaker 04 I'm, I'm whatever.
1:08:47 David Imel? I'm even white labeled.
1:08:48 Speaker 04 I told my cousin to buy a pair of Tozo earbuds this morning.
1:08:52 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know what that is. You must hate your cousin.
1:08:54 Speaker 04 We're too deep.
1:08:55 David Imel? The fact that the company who makes it is angry should probably.
1:09:01 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah, yeah. They're mad. They said he does not have permission to rebrand our products and sell them. Yes. Retroid has responded about this.
1:09:07 David Imel? So this is not an official collaboration?
1:09:09 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:09:09 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah. I just assumed that he, he, he bought a bunch from.
1:09:12 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. I was wondering where all that defending was. No, Retroid said he does not have permission to do this.
1:09:17 Speaker 04 That's.
1:09:18 David Imel? That's cool.
1:09:19 Speaker 04 All right. I take it all back.
1:09:20 Andrew Manganelli? The last game he sold had to get taken down as well for the same.
1:09:24 Speaker 04 You know, you can just like legally do this, right? Damn. All right. Leave this all in, Adam. I need to. Wow.
1:09:32 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, cool. That's enough of that. But it was way too funny and reminded me of the last time he did this.
1:09:36 David Imel? Solja boy, tell him.
1:09:37 Speaker 04 You know, uh, what I'm never wrong about?
1:09:42 Speaker 01 But.
1:09:43 Andrew Manganelli? I please open this with a correction.
1:09:47 Speaker 01 Correction from last.
1:09:48 Speaker 03 It kind of is a correction from many years ago, though. Many years ago, I gave you guys a trivia question and I'm bringing it back. It's the same exact question because at that time I got the answer wrong. And I think I corrected it, but I just want to see if you guys remember. So what was Teenage Engineering's first product?
1:10:08 Andrew Manganelli? The exact name or just like, what was it?
1:10:10 Speaker 03 What was it?
1:10:11 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:10:11 Speaker 03 Because last time I said this, I gave the wrong answer. Someone from Teenage Engineering actually reached out, told me what it was. I then told you guys the following.
1:10:19 Speaker 01 I sort of vaguely.
1:10:21 Speaker 03 And now I want you guys to tell me about this.
1:10:22 Andrew Manganelli? I remember that happening. I don't remember what it was.
1:10:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, same. But it was one of those like, you wouldn't know this unless you followed it back then type of lore.
1:10:31 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, but those people who followed.
1:10:32 Speaker 01 But obviously, if you work for the company, you're well aware of that.
1:10:35 Speaker 03 I will say that the proof that this person gave me was a Tumblr page. So that's how long ago it was.
1:10:40 Andrew Manganelli? I think he was also like, super chill about it.
1:10:42 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, they were super nice. He was just like, hey, just a heads up. That wasn't our first product.
1:10:47 Speaker 01 Interesting. Well, once again, we will either know the answer or we will relearn something. So stay tuned for that at the end. We'll be right back.
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1:12:53 Andrew Manganelli? All right, welcome back. We are changing things up a little bit for video listener or video watchers. You might have noticed Andrew is now in the producer's chair and Alison and Adam are at the table. And also David sitting next to Marquez because Hi. I have a little trivia game for you all. The closer we get to Thanksgiving, the less news stories we get. So I decided to create somewhat of a game. I closed my laptop.
1:13:17 David Imel? Yeah, we're good.
1:13:17 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, can I close my laptop? Yep. No laptops are No laptops. Yeah, buddy. So what I did was I stole a category from Jeopardy. So if you're a Jeopardy watcher, you may recognize this. It's called before and after. Chef Jeopardy. Do you know how that works? Yes. You do? Okay. I do not. So you can tell me if I'm wrong on this, but I believe I have it already. You're wrong. If you are unaware of how this works, this category is a word puzzle where each question contains two clues that are connected by a shared word. Oh, man. I pulled a couple of examples from Jeopardy. I didn't do tech examples here because it took me a really long time to think of these. So I'm going to tell you two Je- two Jeopardy examples as an idea of how this works.
1:13:59 Andrew Manganelli? So old cat and mouse team who throws chairs at each other during a daytime talk show. The answer would be Tom and Jerry Springer. Say that again, David? Oh. Or you're Justin Kelly? No, so, so ready? You're gonna get two clues.
1:14:13 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
1:14:14 Andrew Manganelli? And the answer for it is two words connected by a shared word. And the way you tell me that answer is not by saying the shared word twice. So I'll give you another example. Paul McCartney's Bond theme plays as Bruce Willis fights off bad guys at Nakatomi Building. Correct.
1:14:29 Speaker 01 Oh, my man.
1:14:30 Andrew Manganelli? Great job.
1:14:30 Speaker 03 You guys are cooked.
1:14:31 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. Pop culture references?
1:14:34 Speaker 01 My cousin and I don't know anything about pop.
1:14:36 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, it's not this. I made all the questions tech. Those were just to go through the examples.
1:14:40 Speaker 03 Okay, great.
1:14:41 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:14:42 Speaker 03 Cool.
1:14:42 Andrew Manganelli? So, um, like I said. Are we teams?
1:14:45 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's you and me.
1:14:46 Speaker 03 It's Marques and David versus Ellis and I have faith in us.
1:14:49 Andrew Manganelli? I'm going to, one, I'm not as creative as Jeopardy. So they make the, the sentences and phrases very, mine are just like blank and blank. And you create the word. Um, and I have two clarifying rules that I'm sure will be asked. Nothing in front of one.
1:15:06 Andrew Manganelli? One of them is, uh, both of these kind of are rules because of how annoying tech companies are naming things. Yeah, we all know that. Um, my first is as long as the pronunciation is the same, I'm count, it can be the linked word. Example, lift and lift. So like lift the company with a Y and lift, I will count those as the same connected word. Okay. My other one is a lot of companies like to put two words together as one. I will allow those individual words inside of a singular name to be the word. So, so if I use the example, a web and native whiteboard app and what Jeff Bezos is the chairman of at Amazon, the answer would be Google Jam Board of Directors. Holy smoke.
1:15:49 Speaker 03 This is insane.
1:15:50 Speaker 01 All right, all right.
1:15:51 Andrew Manganelli? So I've made.
1:15:52 Speaker 03 Don't worry like this.
1:15:53 Andrew Manganelli? Alice, how's your back?
1:15:53 Speaker 03 Wow. Cause you're gonna be carrying, that's my guy.
1:15:56 Andrew Manganelli? I really hope I did a good job because I feel like there's a lot of.
1:16:01 Speaker 03 Yeah, it's good.
1:16:01 Andrew Manganelli? There's a lot of potential here. It's just. I'm so bad at this in actual Jeopardy. It's like. The couple, last couple of rules, I'm gonna say 60 seconds to give me a final answer.
1:16:12 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:16:12 David Imel? So are we writing it down?
1:16:13 Andrew Manganelli? No, you guys are gonna say, so the way I want it is I want you to discuss with each other, since you're on a team. I'm going to do turns, though, where
1:16:21 Speaker 04 So what do you?
1:16:22 Andrew Manganelli? Each Each question
1:16:27 Andrew Manganelli? To make it fair, each question's worth two points. I'm gonna go in turn. If you don't get it, it can get passed to the next team, but they'll only get one point if they get it right, because they got to hear all of your deliberations.
1:16:37 David Imel? Oh, I see.
1:16:38 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah.
1:16:38 Andrew Manganelli? So I want you to discuss it during these 60 seconds, because this is still a podcast, so it has to be interesting.
1:16:43 Speaker 04 How do we discuss it whether the other team hear?
1:16:46 Andrew Manganelli? No, you can hear, but they, when they steal it, they'll only get half credit for the point.
1:16:49 David Imel? Exactly.
1:16:50 Andrew Manganelli? So that's my way of trying to combat that, because I don't want you guys to be like, shh, don't let them. I want it to be a podcast still.
1:16:56 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:16:57 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so I have an even amount of questions, and I have a tiebreaker question, just in case.
1:17:02 Speaker 04 Okay. What's our team name?
1:17:04 David Imel? I was gonna go with Markavid, but
1:17:06 Speaker 04 Mark
1:17:07 Speaker 01 I'm in.
1:17:10 Speaker 04 Can we do Team Meat?
1:17:12 David Imel? Team Meat?
1:17:13 Speaker 04 Because it's just Team backwards, so Team Meat? Yeah, and it also stands for Molina Ellis Adam.
1:17:21 Speaker 01 Team.
1:17:21 Speaker 04 Team.
1:17:22 David Imel? The Molina Ellis Adam Team.
1:17:23 Speaker 04 There it is.
1:17:24 Speaker 01 Teampeoplemeat.com.
1:17:25 Speaker 04 Yeah. Team, Team Farmers Meat, Farmers Only.
1:17:29 Andrew Manganelli? All right, I have one more clarification. Because some of these were so hard to do, every question has at least one tech thing. There's a couple pop culture references in there. They're all fairly easy, and I tried to make them tech-related.
1:17:42 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:17:43 Andrew Manganelli? Okay?
1:17:44 Speaker 04 Okay.
1:17:45 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. Who would like to go first?
1:17:48 David Imel? American Eagle.
1:17:48 Andrew Manganelli? I'll let you two decide.
1:17:49 Speaker 01 Theoretically, it doesn't matter who goes first, points-wise, because even questions, so.
1:17:53 Speaker 04 I feel like they can go first, right?
1:17:54 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:55 Speaker 04 Okay. We'll let Host go first.
1:17:57 David Imel? Yeah, we'll go, we'll go clockwise.
1:17:58 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Again, I'm just going to reiterate the rules. Don't say the linked word twice. Say it as one phrase.
1:18:05 David Imel? Right.
1:18:05 Andrew Manganelli? And then you have 60 seconds. I'll, I'll tell you when you're almost done.
1:18:09 David Imel? I'm ready.
1:18:09 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so question number one.
1:18:10 David Imel? All right.
1:18:11 Andrew Manganelli? An announced but never released home device and a Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work in today's technology.
1:18:18 Speaker 01 Bixby Home Alone.
1:18:19 David Imel? Yeah, Bixby Home Alone.
1:18:20 Speaker 01 But it's Galaxy Home, right? Is it the name of the product?
1:18:22 David Imel? Galaxy Home Alone.
1:18:23 Speaker 01 Samsung Galaxy Home is the name of the product, right?
1:18:25 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:25 Speaker 01 Okay, and it's Home Alone.
1:18:27 David Imel? Wait, what was the movie again? Say it again.
1:18:29 Andrew Manganelli? A Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work with today's technology.
1:18:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, Home Alone. So I think it's Samsung Galaxy Home Alone.
1:18:37 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:18:38 Speaker 01 All right. Samsung Galaxy Home Alone. Final answer.
1:18:42 Speaker 01 Yeah, let's go.
1:18:44 Speaker 03 Not Home Alone 2?
1:18:46 Speaker 01 Was that from 1990? Lost in New York.
1:18:47 Speaker 03 Lost in New York.
1:18:49 Speaker 01 That was good.
1:18:50 Speaker 03 That was good.
1:18:50 Speaker 01 I'm glad I knew the movie because I usually don't know the movie.
1:18:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:18:52 Speaker 01 Damn.
1:18:53 Andrew Manganelli? I tried to make the pop culture references not too crazy, but some of them, it's hard to link a lot of names when every product device just ends in a number. And it's really hard to link a number into another tech product.
1:19:04 Speaker 04 You know what weirdly gave it away for me?
1:19:06 Andrew Manganelli? What?
1:19:06 Speaker 04 I, it is burned into my brain that Home Alone is, came out in 1990 because of how many bar trivia questions are this 80s movie? Uh, did not actually come out in the 80s.
1:19:18 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:19:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, this quintessential 80s movie.
1:19:21 Andrew Manganelli? Best Christmas movie.
1:19:22 Speaker 01 Ellis and I have slated bar trivia before, by the way.
1:19:24 Speaker 04 It is true.
1:19:25 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. A Siri-based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPad and broadcast.
1:19:31 Speaker 03 HomePod.
1:19:32 Speaker 01 What is a portmanteau? Oh, I get it.
1:19:35 Speaker 03 HomePod mini, wait, portmanteau of what?
1:19:38 Speaker 04 Of, of broadcast and.
1:19:41 Andrew Manganelli? iPod.
1:19:42 Speaker 03 iPod.
1:19:42 Andrew Manganelli? A Siri-based smart speaker and the portmanteau of iPod and broadcast.
1:19:48 Speaker 04 Home, wait, uh, this, the Siri smart speaker? So it'd be like HomePodcast, HomePodProCast, HomePodcastPro?
1:19:57 Andrew Manganelli? You just gotta give me a final answer on that. I can't clarify it.
1:20:00 Speaker 04 It's definitely one of those.
1:20:01 Speaker 03 It's HomePod.
1:20:02 Speaker 04 Apple HomePodcast.
1:20:04 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:20:07 Speaker 01 We wrote that too. Very nice. Make a good job.
1:20:09 Andrew Manganelli? All right.
1:20:10 Speaker 03 I still, I blanked out. I don't know what we just answered.
1:20:14 Speaker 01 Portmanteau, yeah. Portmanteau. Like a port wine.
1:20:17 Speaker 03 I don't know what a portmanteau is, so that's when you smashed two words.
1:20:20 Andrew Manganelli? I put that in because I know Ellis has used that word in trivia before.
1:20:24 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:20:24 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:20:24 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:20:25 Andrew Manganelli? All right. Ready, Marquesan David?
1:20:27 Speaker 01 Toe is black from hiking so much.
1:20:31 Andrew Manganelli? You should get that checked out.
1:20:33 Speaker 01 I could show you.
1:20:33 Andrew Manganelli? How is that not a soundboard?
1:20:37 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:20:37 Speaker 01 All right.
1:20:38 Andrew Manganelli? Ready?
1:20:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:20:39 Andrew Manganelli? Microsoft's cloud service and the documentary that got Americans interested in the most technologically advanced motor racing.
1:20:47 Speaker 01 Okay, the documentary, the F1 documentary is called Drive to Survive.
1:20:52 David Imel? And then it's Azure.
1:20:53 Speaker 01 Azure Drive? What is it? Is it Azure Drive? Can you say the first one again?
1:20:58 Andrew Manganelli? Microsoft's cloud service.
1:21:00 David Imel? Cloud.
1:21:00 Speaker 01 Microsoft Azure.
1:21:02 David Imel? I got it. Oh, OneDrive. Nice. Drive to Survive.
1:21:05 Speaker 04 Drive to Survive.
1:21:05 David Imel? I gotta stop writing this down.
1:21:06 Speaker 01 Microsoft OneDrive to Survive.
1:21:08 David Imel? Microsoft OneDrive to Survive. I sold us out. Yes, Microsoft OneDrive to Survive.
1:21:13 David Imel? Damn it! Yeah, sick.
1:21:14 Andrew Manganelli? Sid, maybe you don't need 60 seconds, but we'll keep going.
1:21:16 Speaker 04 No, no, no, we need 60 seconds.
1:21:18 Andrew Manganelli? One of the worst Microsoft operating systems and a website known for selling custom business cards and other marketing materials.
1:21:26 David Imel? Oh.
1:21:27 Speaker 01 What?
1:21:27 Speaker 04 It's, uh, it's... One of the Vista...
1:21:32 David Imel? Print?
1:21:32 Speaker 04 Windows Vista Print.
1:21:34 David Imel? Yeah.
1:21:35 Andrew Manganelli? Correct. Sorry, I have a button.
1:21:37 Speaker 01 We have used Vista Print in the past.
1:21:39 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:21:40 David Imel? It's actually gonna fire.
1:21:40 Speaker 01 I regret to inform you.
1:21:41 Speaker 04 Wait, did you say it was bad?
1:21:43 David Imel? Vista Print?
1:21:43 Andrew Manganelli? No, I said Microsoft, no, it's one of the worst Microsoft.
1:21:45 Speaker 01 Gotcha, gotcha.
1:21:46 Speaker 04 Vista Print's kinda dope.
1:21:47 David Imel? Alright, in my head, I was like, Windows 8?
1:21:50 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:21:51 Andrew Manganelli? I was like, XP. That's why I said one of, I didn't want to...
1:21:53 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:21:54 Andrew Manganelli? I'm being... Okay, these seem easy, I hope they get harder. I was worried these would either all be way too easy or way too hard.
1:22:00 David Imel? Yeah.
1:22:00 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, Marques and David, ready?
1:22:02 David Imel? Mm-hmm. Marcavid.
1:22:03 Andrew Manganelli? Marcavid.
1:22:04 David Imel? Team name?
1:22:05 Speaker 01 Team.
1:22:05 Andrew Manganelli? The third best-selling non-bundled Wii game and the 2020 MKBHD Phone of the Year.
1:22:12 David Imel? Oh, shit. Oh, I know it, I know it, I know it! Start that countdown so I can... Mario Kart. Kill this! Mario Kart was probably the first best-selling non-bundled.
1:22:23 Speaker 01 Oh, Wii, you said Wii game?
1:22:24 Andrew Manganelli? Wii game.
1:22:25 David Imel? Come on, baby!
1:22:26 Speaker 01 Wait, stop, stop, okay, so...
1:22:27 David Imel? Was it Wii Sports Resort?
1:22:29 Speaker 01 Wii Sports was bundled.
1:22:30 David Imel? That was bundled. What about Super Smash Bros.? Super Smash Bros. Brawl? So what was your, what was your phone of the, which phone of the year?
1:22:37 Speaker 01 That's what I'm trying to think back to, 2020. I think it was this Galaxy S20 FE. I think. If I go back for it, was it S22 or S20? Let's go with Samsung Galaxy S20 FE.
1:22:50 David Imel? Third best selling.
1:22:52 Andrew Manganelli? Forty seconds.
1:22:54 Speaker 04 Left?
1:22:55 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, I have forty seconds.
1:22:56 David Imel? Uh, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, um.
1:22:59 Andrew Manganelli? Hmm.
1:23:00 David Imel? Third best selling Wii game that was not bundled.
1:23:03 Andrew Manganelli? S20? What was S?
1:23:05 David Imel? Oh, Wii Sports Resort or?
1:23:08 Speaker 04 Give it to me.
1:23:09 David Imel? Wii Music?
1:23:09 Speaker 04 Give it to me.
1:23:11 Andrew Manganelli? I have no idea. I don't know the third best selling non bundled Wii game.
1:23:14 Speaker 04 It's Super Mario Galaxy S20 Ultra, baby! So close! What?
1:23:21 Andrew Manganelli? He said it out loud. No, there's just no points.
1:23:24 David Imel? Super Mario Galaxy S20 FE.
1:23:26 Speaker 04 You said time's up!
1:23:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I know, but you said.
1:23:29 David Imel? You got it wrong.
1:23:29 Andrew Manganelli? S20 Ultra.
1:23:31 Speaker 04 As opposed to?
1:23:32 David Imel? FE.
1:23:32 Andrew Manganelli? I said S20 FE. And Marques said it out loud. Yeah.
1:23:36 Speaker 04 I didn't think an FE would ever would.
1:23:37 Andrew Manganelli? The S20 Ultra was a very bad phone. That might have been the bust.
1:23:40 Speaker 04 I am so, do you, I just had to sit there and listen to them not remember, they said the word galaxy and Wii game.
1:23:46 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, what was the Wii game?
1:23:47 Speaker 04 You can't give me, you can't give me the points for that?
1:23:50 David Imel? Incredible and I'm glad it sold well.
1:23:52 Andrew Manganelli? And I'll also say like, that's a good way of, of taking this is like, you guys had one that you were sure of. So how do you then link that into something else? I wasn't sure of it. I was like, I couldn't remember the phone.
1:24:03 David Imel? I should have thought about Galaxy.
1:24:04 Andrew Manganelli? I was really surprised you didn't when Marques said Galaxy S20 FE.
1:24:08 David Imel? Yeah.
1:24:08 Andrew Manganelli? And then I'm surprised, the reason I picked 2020 is because Ultra's won so many times. Did you know that Super Mario Galaxy was a game?
1:24:14 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:24:15 David Imel? It's an amazing game.
1:24:16 Andrew Manganelli? I knew David knew it. I thought this was a perfect David Marques question. There were definitely people in the comment section like.
1:24:22 Speaker 04 Me, me, is this how it feels when you guys beg me for points? Cause I'm, I'm pretty hot right now.
1:24:27 David Imel? Yeah, this is why people are always like, David takes this too seriously.
1:24:32 Speaker 04 That was sixty seconds of excruciating pain.
1:24:35 Andrew Manganelli? What's gonna be?
1:24:37 Speaker 04 That is possibly the best Wii game.
1:24:40 David Imel? It is so good.
1:24:41 Andrew Manganelli? I'm a little worried this next one's gonna be hard, but it feels, to me, that felt like an, a Marques David question. This feels like an Adam Ellis question.
1:24:47 Speaker 04 Excuse you.
1:24:48 David Imel? But they had sixty seconds.
1:24:50 Andrew Manganelli? Team meat. Okay. The acronym BIOS and a folder you should never delete.
1:24:57 Speaker 04 System 32? Is that the folder? The acronym, like.
1:25:01 Andrew Manganelli? BIOS.
1:25:03 Speaker 04 Wow, brother.
1:25:04 Andrew Manganelli? What?
1:25:05 Speaker 03 B I.
1:25:06 Andrew Manganelli? Bro, you send us acronyms all the time.
1:25:08 Speaker 01 Okay, that is what I'll stand for.
1:25:10 Speaker 04 It's canon that I'm annoying.
1:25:14 Speaker 03 Everyone.
1:25:14 Speaker 01 B I O system thirty two.
1:25:16 Speaker 04 Is it like bin?
1:25:19 Speaker 04 B I O S.
1:25:22 Speaker 03 Can I ask Gemini?
1:25:24 Speaker 04 No, B O operating system thirty two. It's the, it's something, something operating system thirty two, right? Or is it forty two?
1:25:32 Speaker 03 Bit integer operating system thirty two? People are yelling at us.
1:25:35 Andrew Manganelli? Let me know in for final answer and I'll.
1:25:36 Speaker 04 Is it thirty two or forty two?
1:25:38 Speaker 03 Forty two? I don't know.
1:25:39 Speaker 04 That's true. I hate Windows so much.
1:25:45 Speaker 03 David just said it earlier this episode, I feel like.
1:25:47 Speaker 04 I did.
1:25:48 Andrew Manganelli? David did mention.
1:25:49 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:25:50 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, five seconds.
1:25:51 Speaker 04 Five seconds?
1:25:52 Andrew Manganelli? I'll let you answer.
1:25:53 Speaker 04 B I.
1:25:54 Speaker 03 I'll let you take it.
1:25:57 Speaker 04 Is the first word bin? All right.
1:26:00 Speaker 01 Okay, before we say it, before we say it, it's just because we can talk for this game.
1:26:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:26:03 Speaker 01 They have, how long? Do you start in the timer again?
1:26:05 Speaker 04 This is right. If they get one syllable off, you cannot.
1:26:08 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, no, they have to get this. It's very specific.
1:26:10 Speaker 01 I think it's clearly operating system because it's system thirty two.
1:26:13 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:26:13 Speaker 01 The question is, what is the B and I stand for? Isn't that when you boot up? Isn't it like the BIOS is when you first boot up? So is it something like boot up something operating system?
1:26:21 Speaker 04 I don't.
1:26:22 Speaker 01 Or is it like boot?
1:26:23 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sorry, we're gonna get flamed so hard by Windows users.
1:26:26 Speaker 03 Every tutorial I've ever watched is like collapsing in words on itself.
1:26:29 Speaker 01 I mean, we all know what the BIOS is, like when you boot into the BIOS. But like, when have we ever had to know what BIOS stands for? I don't.
1:26:35 Speaker 04 Boot.
1:26:36 Speaker 01 What we wrote was binary integer operating system. Yeah, I don't think that's right. So I have to think a little more. Binary boot.
1:26:45 Speaker 04 I swear to God, if you give it.
1:26:46 Andrew Manganelli? Twenty seconds? Oh, it's, it's very, it's, it's literally could be.
1:26:50 Speaker 04 What do you, what do you think? Bin is short for?
1:26:54 Speaker 01 Binary?
1:26:55 David Imel? Bin.
1:26:56 Speaker 01 Bin? But I don't know if it's Bin though. B I O S.
1:27:00 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, five seconds.
1:27:01 David Imel? Binary integer operating system 32.
1:27:05 Speaker 01 Damn.
1:27:05 Speaker 03 Thank god.
1:27:06 David Imel? Yeah, we're gonna get flamed.
1:27:07 Andrew Manganelli? Basic input-output system 32.
1:27:09 Speaker 01 Ahhh. Basic input-output system. That's what BIOS stands for.
1:27:14 David Imel? Huh, well.
1:27:14 Speaker 01 Damn. I don't think I knew that.
1:27:15 David Imel? I don't think I knew that.
1:27:17 Speaker 03 I don't think I knew that either.
1:27:17 David Imel? Which makes me feel stupid. They don't teach you that in computer science, I'll tell you that.
1:27:21 Speaker 03 I didn't take computer science.
1:27:22 David Imel? At least not in my hippie school.
1:27:23 Speaker 03 I've just broken a lot of phones.
1:27:24 Speaker 01 I've booted into plenty of BIOSs. I've never seen basic input-output.
1:27:28 David Imel? I did a lot of vector calculus and never taught me that.
1:27:32 Andrew Manganelli? No, you guys should be winning because you stole one.
1:27:34 David Imel? No, we didn't.
1:27:35 Andrew Manganelli? Or you didn't. Okay, then you're tied.
1:27:36 Speaker 01 We're tied.
1:27:37 Andrew Manganelli? We're tied.
1:27:37 David Imel? It's 2-2?
1:27:38 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I'm going to kind of give a hint here, but not really, but only because I sort of messed the question up, but I still want to use it.
1:27:44 David Imel? Okay.
1:27:45 Andrew Manganelli? The linked word, one of them uses the plural, one of them uses the singular, all except either way you say it.
1:27:52 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:27:53 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think that's too much of a hint. Alright, ready?
1:27:55 David Imel? Yeah.
1:27:56 Andrew Manganelli? This is Markes and David.
1:27:57 David Imel? Uh huh.
1:27:58 Andrew Manganelli? One of Google's many killed services and the quote "internet's phone book."
1:28:03 Speaker 01 The internet's phone book is wicked... Wait, no.
1:28:06 Speaker 03 Yeah, I thought the same thing.
1:28:07 Speaker 01 Phone book? Internet's phone book. H T T P.
1:28:10 Speaker 03 I got it.
1:28:11 David Imel? Oh, DNS. DNS.
1:28:16 Speaker 01 But this is like something with a plural or a singular.
1:28:18 David Imel? What is the first part of that, Andrew?
1:28:20 Andrew Manganelli? One of Google's many killed services.
1:28:22 Speaker 01 What does DNS stand for?
1:28:23 David Imel? Domain name system.
1:28:24 Speaker 01 Domain name system?
1:28:25 David Imel? So what is the killed service?
1:28:26 Speaker 01 Google domains got killed. So Google domain name system. That would be it. Google domains got killed and domain domains.
1:28:31 David Imel? Google domain name system.
1:28:32 Speaker 01 Yes, yes.
1:28:33 Andrew Manganelli? Final answer?
1:28:34 David Imel? Google domains name system.
1:28:37 Speaker 03 Yes!
1:28:38 David Imel? Damn it!
1:28:39 Speaker 01 Fire!
1:28:39 Speaker 03 That was a good one! Why can't we get that one? We got system 32!
1:28:43 Speaker 01 That was good! Okay. There's just so many Google services to choose from.
1:28:49 David Imel? They did kill it and now I have to [bleep] pay sorry.
1:28:53 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:28:53 Speaker 01 You Squarespace. Did you know that the week that we changed mkbhd.com, we were on Google domain, we were on Squarespace for forever. And I was finally like, you know what? Let's change Google domains once and for all. And then we switched and they were like, oh, this still exists. And they killed it. Yeah, they sold it. Yeah.
1:29:12 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:29:12 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:29:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:29:14 Andrew Manganelli? Adam and Ellis. I mean, Team Me, sorry.
1:29:16 Speaker 01 Thank you.
1:29:16 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:29:17 Speaker 01 Team Me, finally.
1:29:18 Andrew Manganelli? Google's magnetic technology and a social media app with a spooky logo.
1:29:23 Speaker 01 What is Pixel Snapchat? God. Yeah, I was literally so good. So easy.
1:29:27 Andrew Manganelli? I can't believe Ellis got Pixel Snap that quick.
1:29:29 Speaker 01 I mean. Yeah, I had that too. Spooky logo. Need a timer.
1:29:35 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, this one, I think these next two are potentially a little harder.
1:29:39 Speaker 01 Oh, no.
1:29:40 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. An all in one productivity app and an app that destroys productivity.
1:29:47 Speaker 01 Okay, so these are actual app names. Yeah. So an all in productivity app is like, all in one. Yeah, but it's probably multiple. An app that destroys productivity, which would be. Social media. TikTok. TikTok. Tic Tic. Oh, an all in one. Oh. Productivity app being Tic Tic and. Tic Tic Talk. Destroying productivity being TikTok. I like that. Tic Tic Talk. Tic Tic Talk. Tic Tic Talk. Yeah, let's go Tic Tic Talk. Ayy. Nice. That was good.
1:30:15 Speaker 03 It was a fun game.
1:30:16 Speaker 01 We got there. Yeah. I like this game.
1:30:18 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:30:18 Speaker 01 Tic Tic is not an all in one productivity app, by the way.
1:30:20 Andrew Manganelli? It's literally how it.
1:30:21 Speaker 01 It's a couple in one.
1:30:22 Speaker 03 It's a couple in one.
1:30:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:30:24 Andrew Manganelli? I took it.
1:30:24 Speaker 01 All.
1:30:25 Speaker 03 I'm sure that's how they market themselves.
1:30:27 Andrew Manganelli? It's literally, you Google it, it says Tic Tic, your all in one productivity app. It is straight from there.
1:30:32 Speaker 01 Got a calendar in there. Define all.
1:30:36 Andrew Manganelli? Team Me.
1:30:36 Speaker 01 Team Me.
1:30:37 Andrew Manganelli? The subject.
1:30:38 Speaker 01 Said Marcaivit again.
1:30:39 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry, I will try and remember. Okay.
1:30:41 Speaker 01 Ship name.
1:30:42 Andrew Manganelli? The subject of the most organically viewed mkbhd video.
1:30:47 Speaker 01 Organically.
1:30:49 Andrew Manganelli? And a product that appears twice on Marquez's desk.
1:30:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:30:55 Speaker 03 The most organically.
1:30:57 David Imel? Oh.
1:30:58 Andrew Manganelli? Is that?
1:30:58 Speaker 03 Hmm.
1:30:59 Speaker 01 It reached twice on my desk?
1:31:01 Speaker 03 Two speakers.
1:31:02 Speaker 04 No, wait, what's the most organically viewed? I was just looking at this yesterday for a, a deck.
1:31:07 David Imel? No?
1:31:08 Speaker 03 I have no idea.
1:31:09 David Imel? Okay. But is that kind of a video?
1:31:10 Speaker 04 Pro.
1:31:11 Speaker 01 Oh. The way he phrased it, yes.
1:31:13 Speaker 04 Cause you're, you, by organically, you mean.
1:31:15 Andrew Manganelli? There's, there's a retro tech that's number one, yeah. And when, and there's another one.
1:31:19 Speaker 04 It's not exactly.
1:31:20 Andrew Manganelli? Actually, no, this is higher than that. It's at thirty seconds, by the way.
1:31:23 Speaker 04 It's.
1:31:24 Speaker 01 Phrase the first part.
1:31:24 Speaker 03 To have.
1:31:25 Andrew Manganelli? I'll phrase it again for you if it comes to.
1:31:27 Speaker 03 It has to be pro.
1:31:28 Andrew Manganelli? Do you want me to phrase the question again?
1:31:29 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:31:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, please. The subject of the most organically viewed MKBHD video and a product that appears on Marquez's desk twice. You have fifteen seconds.
1:31:37 Speaker 04 Is it Apple Vision Pro Display XDR?
1:31:41 David Imel? Oh my god. That was nice, Alice.
1:31:44 Speaker 01 We got there. I just want you to know, I was almost tricked by that one.
1:31:48 Speaker 03 That's.
1:31:49 Speaker 01 That was hard.
1:31:49 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:31:50 David Imel? Okay, good, good, good.
1:31:51 Andrew Manganelli? I have.
1:31:52 Speaker 03 Yeah, I think this is tiebreaker.
1:31:52 Andrew Manganelli? Two more for each of you and then a tiebreaker.
1:31:54 David Imel? Okay, let's go, baby.
1:31:55 Andrew Manganelli? All right. Mark David.
1:31:57 David Imel? Yep.
1:31:57 Speaker 03 Thank you.
1:31:59 Andrew Manganelli? An app to hire a same day handyman and a barely reviewable AI assistant device.
1:32:04 David Imel? Task Rabbit. Oh, it's Task Rabbit. It's just Task Rabbit.
1:32:08 Andrew Manganelli? Rabbit.
1:32:08 David Imel? Rabbit R1. Task Rabbit R1. Yes.
1:32:13 Andrew Manganelli? I'm trying.
1:32:14 Speaker 04 It's rigged.
1:32:15 David Imel? That's pretty good.
1:32:16 Speaker 01 What are you talking about?
1:32:17 Speaker 04 No, that was good.
1:32:17 David Imel? I went to Handy. Handy's an app.
1:32:18 Speaker 04 Yeah, I went to Handy.
1:32:19 Andrew Manganelli? I'm a little worried this next question more favors Marquez and.
1:32:23 David Imel? Like the last one?
1:32:24 Andrew Manganelli? Marquez and Dave. Hasn't stopped us yet.
1:32:26 Speaker 01 But now it's their turn, so it's.
1:32:28 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just making sure I keep score. Okay.
1:32:30 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:32:30 Andrew Manganelli? Ready?
1:32:31 Speaker 03 Ready.
1:32:31 Andrew Manganelli? The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.
1:32:38 Speaker 03 A vibrant smartphone user interface? So Samsung One UI? And the third version?
1:32:45 Speaker 04 Console? I don't know a single.
1:32:46 Andrew Manganelli? The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.
1:32:53 Speaker 03 Okay, Steam Deck?
1:32:54 Speaker 04 It's, is he talking about?
1:32:55 Speaker 03 Game Boy?
1:32:56 Speaker 04 DS?
1:32:57 Speaker 03 DS?
1:32:58 Speaker 04 But the 3DS is the fourth iteration of that console.
1:33:00 Speaker 03 So maybe it can't be that.
1:33:03 Speaker 04 The third is the DSI? Is there any like Android?
1:33:06 Speaker 03 DS iOS?
1:33:09 Andrew Manganelli? You guys can't look at me for like hints on that?
1:33:11 David Imel? Yes, that's it for sure.
1:33:12 Andrew Manganelli? The third version of a popular handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.
1:33:19 Speaker 04 Is there one that like starts with switch? Like is there an interface?
1:33:23 Andrew Manganelli? Fifteen second slide.
1:33:24 David Imel? We about to dub.
1:33:25 Speaker 03 I kinda wanna go with DS iOS, but I'm, I feel like that's wrong. I don't know, cuz thriving is what's killing me. A thriving.
1:33:33 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know any. Vibrant smartphone UI.
1:33:36 Speaker 04 Vibrant?
1:33:37 David Imel? What the f*** does that mean?
1:33:38 Speaker 04 How much time they got left?
1:33:39 Speaker 03 There's one UI, there's a harmony UI.
1:33:42 David Imel? The answer is Game Boy Color OS.
1:33:45 Speaker 04 What is Color OS?
1:33:47 David Imel? It's the Oppo operating system.
1:33:48 Speaker 01 Oppo skin.
1:33:50 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah.
1:33:50 Speaker 03 I was just watching a video about Color OS this morning. I'm so mad I didn't get that.
1:33:54 David Imel? That's so good.
1:33:55 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:33:57 David Imel? Combo breaker.
1:33:58 Speaker 01 That's huge for the program.
1:33:59 David Imel? Game Boy Color was the third version?
1:34:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:34:01 David Imel? Cuz it was so.
1:34:02 Speaker 01 Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket.
1:34:04 David Imel? No, Pocket was not the second one.
1:34:05 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, it was. No, no, you're right. Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket. If you wanted to try and be a little specific, there was a Japan-only Game Boy Lite that came out the same year as the Game Boy Color.
1:34:15 David Imel? I was not trying to be that specific.
1:34:16 Andrew Manganelli? But yes, the Game Boy Color is the third iteration of the Game Boy.
1:34:19 Speaker 03 Okay, fine.
1:34:20 David Imel? Well, yeah, baby. Let's go.
1:34:22 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:34:22 Speaker 03 Oh, my f***.
1:34:25 Speaker 03 I can't even buy an Oppo.
1:34:26 Andrew Manganelli? I, I thought both of those were, it was pretty easy to get Color.
1:34:31 David Imel? Yeah.
1:34:31 Andrew Manganelli? And then you get to, we, we talk about Color OS pretty often on the podcast. It's, it at times has been part of real me and one plus.
1:34:41 David Imel? Yeah, Oxygen.
1:34:42 Speaker 01 TouchWiz, Oxygen, Color OS.
1:34:45 Speaker 03 When you said vibrant, I was thinking like one of the super popular ones.
1:34:48 Andrew Manganelli? I thought vibrant was a, a pretty good way to just mention, it's another way of saying color, pretty much. Um, okay.
1:34:55 Speaker 03 I thought, whatever.
1:34:56 Andrew Manganelli? All right, Mark Haven. Okay, don't worry, Ellis. This one fills up your alley and it's for them, so we'll see. Okay.
1:35:04 Andrew Manganelli? The official name for the worst product Marques has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.
1:35:11 Speaker 01 Humane AI pin?
1:35:14 David Imel? Prepaid is is a is US wireless and.
1:35:20 Speaker 01 No any prepaid.
1:35:21 David Imel? Wait, say the second, say the whole thing again.
1:35:22 Andrew Manganelli? The official name for the worst product Marques has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.
1:35:30 David Imel? Um.
1:35:31 Speaker 01 An American.
1:35:32 David Imel? Was the worst product the Humane AI pin or was that the Fisker?
1:35:34 Speaker 01 Fisker was the worst car. The Humane AI pin was the worst product, dot, dot, dot, for now.
1:35:40 David Imel? Okay.
1:35:41 Speaker 01 But I feel like it's still.
1:35:41 David Imel? So prepaid is sing, there's a singular that's Boost Mobile.
1:35:46 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:35:47 David Imel? There's, um.
1:35:49 Speaker 01 So do any of them start with?
1:35:50 David Imel? Mint?
1:35:51 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, hold on. I will, okay. I'm gonna redo this and give you 30 seconds since you got to try.
1:35:56 David Imel? Thirty?
1:35:57 Andrew Manganelli? Realized I messed up a part of the question.
1:36:00 David Imel? But they shouldn't give us sixty?
1:36:03 Andrew Manganelli? I'll give you forty five because you've gotten to talk about half of it. Okay, ready?
1:36:06 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:36:07 Andrew Manganelli? The official name for the dumbest product Marques has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.
1:36:12 Speaker 01 What is dumbest? Dyson headphones. The Dyson?
1:36:16 David Imel? I don't remember.
1:36:16 Speaker 01 Uh, oh, wait.
1:36:18 David Imel? What was the name of the Dyson headphones?
1:36:19 Speaker 01 The.
1:36:20 Andrew Manganelli? I'll give you the full sixty seconds since it was that different and both of you seem to change.
1:36:24 David Imel? What was the name of the Dyson headphones?
1:36:26 Speaker 01 I'm trying to think now. Okay, so this is the Dyson.
1:36:28 David Imel? Think of the wireless providers, I guess. There's singular.
1:36:31 Speaker 01 Oh, something boost. It was definitely something boost.
1:36:34 David Imel? Was it something boost?
1:36:34 Speaker 01 Dyson.
1:36:35 David Imel? DynaBoost or something?
1:36:37 Speaker 01 Why is DynaAttack in my head? That's not it.
1:36:39 David Imel? Yeah.
1:36:39 Speaker 01 Dyson headphones had a name and Dyson headphones were called.
1:36:44 David Imel? Was it Boost something?
1:36:45 Speaker 01 V.
1:36:46 David Imel? Vtech?
1:36:47 Speaker 01 Their vacuums.
1:36:48 David Imel? V-Boost?
1:36:49 Speaker 01 Oh, I don't know that. Wait, okay. Prepaid services are.
1:36:52 Andrew Manganelli? Twenty seconds left.
1:36:53 Speaker 01 Boost Mobile and what else?
1:36:54 David Imel? Mint.
1:36:55 Speaker 01 Mint.
1:36:55 David Imel? US Singular and US Mobile.
1:36:58 Speaker 01 It's not US.
1:36:58 David Imel? So it's probably Boost.
1:36:59 Speaker 01 Okay, so Dyson.
1:37:03 David Imel? Dyson.
1:37:04 Andrew Manganelli? Ten seconds.
1:37:05 David Imel? Boost, air boost.
1:37:07 Speaker 01 Dyson something boost mobile.
1:37:09 Andrew Manganelli? Need an answer?
1:37:10 David Imel? I'm just gonna, we're just gonna say Dyson Boost Mobile.
1:37:13 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:37:15 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, starting your timer.
1:37:18 David Imel? Dude, air boost, super.
1:37:20 Speaker 03 Dyson.
1:37:21 David Imel? Superbook.
1:37:22 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny because, I don't know if that's a hint or not.
1:37:26 David Imel? Don't say anything.
1:37:27 Andrew Manganelli? I'm so proud of this one coming together.
1:37:29 Speaker 03 This one's good.
1:37:29 Andrew Manganelli? Because it was not easy to put together, but at the same time.
1:37:32 Speaker 03 Headphones, what were they called? This isn't the one with the face mask. This is the second one you said.
1:37:37 Andrew Manganelli? I'm not answering that question, but.
1:37:39 Speaker 04 It is the one with the face.
1:37:40 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny.
1:37:40 Speaker 03 It is the one with the face.
1:37:41 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so if you got the linked word, you would almost automatically know the other one.
1:37:44 Speaker 04 It's not Metro Boost Visible Mint.
1:37:48 Andrew Manganelli? Thirty seconds.
1:37:49 Speaker 04 There's another cheap one. I don't know. The, it's definitely not Boost, because we would have.
1:37:57 Andrew Manganelli? I'm really hoping there's a, a big sigh after hearing these.
1:38:00 Speaker 04 Blade.
1:38:01 Andrew Manganelli? Fifteen seconds.
1:38:02 Speaker 03 What is this one?
1:38:02 Speaker 04 Mint.
1:38:03 Speaker 03 Mint, Visible Boost, the Dyson Invisible? Dyson In?
1:38:10 Speaker 04 I don't know.
1:38:10 Andrew Manganelli? Five seconds.
1:38:11 Speaker 04 I'm, I'm stumped. You got me.
1:38:13 Speaker 03 I'm going Dyson Invisible. Damn it.
1:38:17 Andrew Manganelli? It is the Dyson On Track Phone Wireless.
1:38:21 David Imel? A track phone.
1:38:22 Speaker 01 On Track.
1:38:23 Andrew Manganelli? On Track is the name of the Dyson product.
1:38:25 Speaker 03 Like.
1:38:26 Andrew Manganelli? O-N-T-R-A-C, and Track Phone is T-R-A-C-F-O-N.
1:38:31 Speaker 03 That's a good one. I've never heard of that wireless service, though. I did know about Track Phone.
1:38:35 Speaker 01 Wireless provider?
1:38:36 Andrew Manganelli? No, Track Phone is the wireless provider. On Track is the.
1:38:40 Speaker 03 I forgot that it was called the On Track.
1:38:41 Speaker 01 It's called the On Track?
1:38:43 Andrew Manganelli? Mm-hmm. The Dyson On Track.
1:38:44 Speaker 03 Why is it called the On Track?
1:38:45 Speaker 04 We are getting, uh.
1:38:46 Speaker 01 Toast.
1:38:47 Speaker 04 I think we should look at Andrew's FanDuel account, just to make sure.
1:38:53 David Imel? Huh, sports page.
1:38:55 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, this is for Adam and Ellis.
1:38:57 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:38:58 Andrew Manganelli? And this is, this is a Mark has and David.
1:39:00 David Imel? Of course.
1:39:01 Andrew Manganelli? It's fun.
1:39:02 David Imel? They're gonna get it right. That's what they're gonna get it right.
1:39:05 Andrew Manganelli? A 2013 self-healing smartphone and a 2018 smartphone that sounds like it needs healing.
1:39:13 Speaker 03 Okay, the LG G Flex was the first one in 2013.
1:39:18 Speaker 04 You're talking about the Flex Pi.
1:39:19 Speaker 03 The LG G Royal Flex Pi?
1:39:24 Speaker 01 The LG Flex Pie?
1:39:27 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna ask for the final answer, but remember how this has to work.
1:39:29 Speaker 04 How does it have to work?
1:39:31 Andrew Manganelli? How the phrase has to work.
1:39:33 Speaker 04 So they have, it has to be like-
1:39:34 Speaker 01 A linked word.
1:39:35 Andrew Manganelli? A linked word.
1:39:36 Speaker 04 You said it's the-
1:39:37 Speaker 01 LG-
1:39:39 Speaker 04 G Flex? Was that what it was called?
1:39:41 Speaker 01 G Flex Pie?
1:39:43 Speaker 04 And then the Royal Flex Pie?
1:39:46 Speaker 01 Royal Flex Pie. I think it was the LG Flex, straight up, from 2013. I don't think it was G Flex.
1:39:53 Speaker 04 Or was it G Flex? Ah, damn, I can't remember. I'm gonna let you-
1:39:55 Andrew Manganelli? 20 seconds-
1:39:56 Speaker 03 I could see the video with Marques with a razor just-
1:39:59 Speaker 04 Say something, I wasn't alive in 2013.
1:40:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:40:03 Andrew Manganelli? Adam, you should give an answer in 10 seconds.
1:40:05 Speaker 01 The LG-
1:40:06 Speaker 04 LG Royal Flex Pie.
1:40:07 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:40:09 Andrew Manganelli? The LG Royal-
1:40:10 Speaker 04 No, not that. You say something. I don't understand the rules.
1:40:13 Speaker 01 But you just, the LG- Flex Pie. So close.
1:40:19 Speaker 04 Damn it.
1:40:20 Andrew Manganelli? Adam said it like three times and Ellis-
1:40:23 Speaker 01 Yeah, you did say it. It's the LG G Flex Pie.
1:40:25 Speaker 03 Damn it!
1:40:26 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah.
1:40:27 Andrew Manganelli? You just didn't have to say Royal, is what I was trying to say, like-
1:40:30 Speaker 01 And you had to say G.
1:40:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, you had to say G, which you didn't do.
1:40:34 Speaker 01 Cause it was the G Flex.
1:40:35 Andrew Manganelli? It was the G Flex, which-
1:40:36 Speaker 01 LG G Flex.
1:40:37 Andrew Manganelli? Which Adam had, and then you said the G Flex Royale Flex Pie.
1:40:41 Speaker 04 Super Mario Samsung Galaxy FE20?
1:40:44 Speaker 01 You said Ultra. You said Ultra.
1:40:45 Andrew Manganelli? You said Ultra.
1:40:46 Speaker 04 But Samsung is in between Super Mario and Galaxy.
1:40:49 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't say it's just the Galaxy S20 FE. So you just-
1:40:53 Speaker 01 Roll back the tape.
1:40:55 Andrew Manganelli? The la- it didn't work for you the last time we rolled back the tape, Alice.
1:40:59 Speaker 01 You give us the points?
1:40:59 Andrew Manganelli? Yep.
1:41:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's a steal point. Yeah.
1:41:02 Andrew Manganelli? That's a steal point. Okay.
1:41:03 Speaker 03 That's it, we lost.
1:41:04 Andrew Manganelli? There's two more questions, and I'm doing the tiebreaker either way, but-
1:41:08 Speaker 01 Let's do it.
1:41:08 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:41:09 Speaker 04 Damn it!
1:41:10 Andrew Manganelli? Mark Haven?
1:41:10 Speaker 01 Thank you. Yes.
1:41:12 Andrew Manganelli? The 2016 version of a bezel-less smartphone and a Twitch competitor that didn't last very long?
1:41:17 Speaker 01 Oh, I got this.
1:41:18 Speaker 04 What was the Twitch competitor? It was-
1:41:20 Speaker 01 Wait, no, I can do the phone.
1:41:21 Speaker 04 Okay, I'll do the Twitch competitor.
1:41:23 Speaker 01 2016 upstairs.
1:41:25 Speaker 04 It was the Microsoft.
1:41:26 Speaker 01 Oh, the first one? No, no, no, it's the one with the fat chin.
1:41:28 Speaker 04 It's the Microsoft.
1:41:30 Speaker 01 Okay, it's either the-
1:41:33 Speaker 04 Microsoft.
1:41:34 Speaker 01 The Sharp Aquos? What was the second thing?
1:41:38 Speaker 04 It was the-
1:41:38 Andrew Manganelli? A Twitch competitor that didn't last very long.
1:41:41 Speaker 01 It was the one after, which was the Xiaomi Mi Mix, Mixer.
1:41:44 Speaker 04 Mixer.
1:41:45 Speaker 01 Xiaomi Mi Mixer. Xiaomi Mi Mixer.
1:41:48 Speaker 04 Xiaomi Mi Mixer.
1:41:48 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:41:50 Speaker 03 Yes.
1:41:51 David Imel? I didn't know either of those.
1:41:52 Speaker 04 What the?
1:41:54 Andrew Manganelli? I know phones. That's the one thing I know.
1:41:57 Speaker 03 That was crazy. Okay.
1:41:58 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. I think you guys have this one, but this one's insane.
1:42:04 Speaker 01 Perfect.
1:42:05 Andrew Manganelli? I'm pretty proud of this one.
1:42:06 Speaker 01 Let's hear it.
1:42:07 Andrew Manganelli? And I hope I, I hope I did it right. Okay.
1:42:09 Speaker 03 Yeah, these are good.
1:42:10 David Imel? These are good, Andrew.
1:42:10 Andrew Manganelli? Ready?
1:42:11 David Imel? Yeah.
1:42:11 Andrew Manganelli? The last version of a poorly named wireless headphone before the design change and a location-based social network that helps discover new places.
1:42:22 Speaker 04 Before the design change?
1:42:24 Andrew Manganelli? Hmm.
1:42:24 Speaker 04 It's, oh, you're gonna make me say the whole headphone name?
1:42:27 Andrew Manganelli? It's a poorly named wireless headphone.
1:42:29 Speaker 04 It's four square and it's the Samsung, it's the Samsung thing with a million letters that no one can ever remember.
1:42:33 Andrew Manganelli? It's not the Sony one?
1:42:34 Speaker 04 This is lit, yeah, no, it's, sorry, Sony one.
1:42:36 Speaker 03 Sony WH1000XM3s?
1:42:39 Speaker 04 No, it's the four and then four square is the connecting one.
1:42:42 Speaker 03 Sony WF1000XM4square.
1:42:46 Andrew Manganelli? Is that your final answer?
1:42:47 Speaker 03 Sony WF1000XMWH?
1:42:51 Speaker 04 I do, I don't know. What? I don't know. I don't know. There are better.
1:42:56 David Imel? This is crazy.
1:42:57 Andrew Manganelli? You've got 25 seconds.
1:42:59 Speaker 03 Okay, wait, wait, wait. Let me think.
1:43:00 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, everyone give Adam the floor.
1:43:01 Speaker 03 It's four square.
1:43:02 Andrew Manganelli? Give Adam the floor.
1:43:03 Speaker 04 And WH whatever, whatever.
1:43:05 Speaker 03 Sony WH1000XM4square.
1:43:10 Andrew Manganelli? No way.
1:43:11 Speaker 03 God.
1:43:12 Speaker 01 Way to get there, guys. Way to get there.
1:43:14 Speaker 03 Five years of reviewing headphones for this moment.
1:43:17 Speaker 01 That was almost really painful.
1:43:19 Andrew Manganelli? So.
1:43:20 David Imel? That was the tiebreaker?
1:43:22 Andrew Manganelli? No, I have a tiebreaker, even though Mark Haven won this round.
1:43:26 David Imel? We did.
1:43:26 Speaker 04 If they get it wrong and we steal, technically we're then tied.
1:43:29 David Imel? Yeah.
1:43:30 Andrew Manganelli? And then I don't have a tiebreaker for the tie.
1:43:32 David Imel? Just ask ChatGPT for one.
1:43:34 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, funny story. I did ask ChatGPT to start this and it was horrible. It gave me all these things and I went, that's not how this game works. Can you make them better? And it had like a total meltdown. It said, you're right. I should be doing it more like this and then it did it and then without even me prompting it said, "Wait, that's not right either." And then did another section, then said, "This still isn't right. I need to be more..." And did like six sections of it correcting itself and still none of them were any good.
1:44:04 Speaker 03 Infinite loop somehow.
1:44:05 Andrew Manganelli? Basically, it would just kept doing two totally different things and then the answer was two things next to each other.
1:44:11 Speaker 03 That's hilarious.
1:44:12 Andrew Manganelli? It was pretty bad, but it was how I, I tried.
1:44:16 Speaker 03 Sick.
1:44:17 Andrew Manganelli? So do you want to do the tiebreaker?
1:44:18 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:44:19 Andrew Manganelli? This is how we're gonna do the tiebreaker for just fake points.
1:44:22 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:44:23 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna say it out loud. The first team to say it.
1:44:26 Speaker 03 Gets five points.
1:44:28 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:44:28 Speaker 01 I have a proposition for another way to do it.
1:44:30 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:44:31 Speaker 01 Both teams have a whiteboard and a pen in front of them?
1:44:33 Andrew Manganelli? No, because I need, um, the enunciation needs to be correct on this one.
1:44:38 Speaker 01 Okay, nevermind. Say it out loud.
1:44:41 Speaker 03 So the first, the first team to say it out loud gets the point.
1:44:45 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:44:45 Andrew Manganelli? Correctly. I need it to be perfect.
1:44:47 Speaker 03 Okay. So I apologize in advance to everyone listening to us. I'll talk over each other for about 60 seconds.
1:44:53 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, here's what I'll do. You guys talk to each other, but whoever says final answer first, then they'll say it after that and I will pick that person. All right, ready?
1:45:01 Speaker 03 Let's do it.
1:45:02 Andrew Manganelli? This is.
1:45:03 Speaker 01 We only get one final answer.
1:45:04 Andrew Manganelli? Extremely specific, so please listen carefully.
1:45:07 Speaker 03 More specific than WXM.
1:45:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yes and no.
1:45:11 Speaker 01 WH is wireless headphones.
1:45:15 Andrew Manganelli? All right, ready?
1:45:15 Speaker 01 All right.
1:45:16 Andrew Manganelli? The rating that shows a device is completely dust-tight and protected from submersion up to one meters for 30 minutes and the current most popular children's meme.
1:45:26 Speaker 01 One meter for 30 minutes?
1:45:27 Speaker 03 What is IP 6.7? Ingress Protection, what is Ingress Protection 6.7?
1:45:32 Andrew Manganelli? Final answer.
1:45:33 Speaker 03 It's a final answer, damn it!
1:45:34 Speaker 01 What is IP 6.7? No, but and a.
1:45:38 Andrew Manganelli? The correct answer.
1:45:39 Speaker 03 What, final answer, what is Ingress Protection 6.7?
1:45:45 Andrew Manganelli? The correct answer is IP 6.7?
1:45:49 Speaker 01 Oh my god.
1:45:50 Speaker 03 Hold on.
1:45:55 Speaker 01 Okay. What? You're never gonna get that, right?
1:45:58 David Imel? Well, the benefit to us is that.
1:46:00 Andrew Manganelli? I was just. That's so perfect. I was just looking up IP ratings and then saw six, seven dice to each other. I was like, I have to do this.
1:46:06 David Imel? I hope that us doing this killed that meme.
1:46:09 Speaker 03 I think it's been dead for a while.
1:46:12 Andrew Manganelli? Always has been.
1:46:14 David Imel? Another dead meme. All right.
1:46:16 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:46:17 David Imel? Well, that has not been. That has not been it because we still have to do trivia.
1:46:21 Speaker 01 We have to go back to, uh, regular trivia.
1:46:23 Andrew Manganelli? That was fun, right? That was fun. I had a really fun time doing that.
1:46:27 David Imel? Thank you. Thank you.
1:46:28 Speaker 03 I still think that the comments will be on our side with many of those questions.
1:46:31 David Imel? I think this was rigged against us.
1:46:33 Speaker 03 But it's fine. It's fine.
1:46:34 Speaker 01 We'll check the comments. Okay.
1:46:37 Andrew Manganelli? So mad I got G flexed.
1:46:38 Speaker 01 Well, speaking of trivia. Pause and reorganize and we will be back for the regular trivia at the end of the episode, starting.
1:46:45 Andrew Manganelli? Whoa.
1:46:45 Speaker 01 Okay, we're back. Time to do the actual trivia for this episode. Let's get into it.
1:46:53 Speaker 01 Fan edition.
1:46:55 David Imel? Trivia happy.
1:46:57 Speaker 04 All right, guys. LTPO is an Apple thing. I did not know it was an Apple thing. If I had asked that as a trivia question, would you have gotten that right?
1:47:05 Andrew Manganelli? Nope.
1:47:05 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:47:06 Speaker 04 Damn.
1:47:06 Speaker 01 Maybe.
1:47:07 Speaker 04 All right, because I, well, Samsung's version of LTPO is called what?
1:47:14 Speaker 01 And it's like a silly thing?
1:47:15 Speaker 04 It's a very silly word.
1:47:20 Andrew Manganelli? It's a word, huh?
1:47:21 Speaker 04 It's a word? Do you want another hint?
1:47:23 Andrew Manganelli? A word?
1:47:24 Speaker 04 It's a word. Well, it's an acronym, but it's a word. Like, like it reads out pretty obviously as a word. And, uh...
1:47:38 Speaker 04 I can't think of a hint that's not like super obvious, you know, like.
1:47:42 Andrew Manganelli? I have no idea.
1:47:43 Speaker 04 There's, there's one pancake themed hint I can kind of think of. All right.
1:47:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I don't know. I think we're all wrong.
1:47:50 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:47:51 David Imel? I, I wrote, yeah.
1:47:53 Speaker 04 Wait, sorry. I'm sorry, Marquez. What, what did you write?
1:47:56 Speaker 01 I wrote dynamic refresh rate.
1:47:58 Speaker 04 Hmm, no.
1:47:58 Speaker 01 Yeah. I wrote Bix BPO.
1:48:01 Speaker 04 And what does the PO stand for?
1:48:06 Speaker 04 No, I'm just kidding.
1:48:08 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't write anything.
1:48:09 Speaker 04 The correct answer is HOP. It is called a HOP screen and HOP stands for Hybrid Oxide and Polycrystalline Silicon.
1:48:17 Andrew Manganelli? Polycrystalline silicon is one word?
1:48:20 Speaker 04 Uh, no, but they just called it HOP because it's easier. I think in...
1:48:25 Andrew Manganelli? I wish all abbreviations worked like that. You just take out all the letters you don't want.
1:48:29 David Imel? They kind of do that in like all of the like congressional bills.
1:48:32 Speaker 04 HOP is also a thing too. Like you could be like...
1:48:34 David Imel? HOP's like in beer?
1:48:35 Speaker 04 Yeah, like in beer.
1:48:37 David Imel? I don't know if Samsung would do that. I mean, actually they would.
1:48:40 Speaker 04 Yeah, I think so.
1:48:41 David Imel? Koreans like... I don't think I've ever heard that before. The Koreans like beer.
1:48:45 Speaker 03 Alright, alright. Learn something new. So yeah, just like we said we would.
1:48:48 Andrew Manganelli? I already forgot.
1:48:50 Speaker 03 Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10, Andrew with 10, David with 6.
1:48:57 David Imel? Can we go back to Mark David, please?
1:48:59 Speaker 03 Mark David.
1:49:00 David Imel? Can we split the difference?
1:49:01 Speaker 03 Next question. The Media Center Remote that Marquez made a video on.
1:49:07 Andrew Manganelli? Wait.
1:49:08 Speaker 03 16 years ago.
1:49:09 David Imel? His first video.
1:49:10 Speaker 03 And the company that I am obsessed with. Go!
1:49:14 Speaker 04 And, and I, and you need to get every letter perfect.
1:49:18 David Imel? Marquez knows this and we don't.
1:49:23 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, this is not the question you asked before?
1:49:25 Speaker 03 Yep, it's the same game.
1:49:27 David Imel? This is not what you asked before, though.
1:49:29 Speaker 03 Nope, it is not.
1:49:30 Andrew Manganelli? The Media Center Remote?
1:49:31 Speaker 03 The Media Center Remote and the company I'm obsessed with.
1:49:37 David Imel? Like, come on, man.
1:49:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, what is it? Huh?
1:49:41 David Imel? Huh? Huh? Come on, man.
1:49:43 Speaker 03 What was the, what was the question before?
1:49:45 David Imel? I don't remember Marquez's. I know that...
1:49:50 David Imel? I wrote, "Does this count enough, HP Pavilion, Teenage Engineering?"
1:49:55 Speaker 03 I don't know.
1:49:56 Speaker 01 Come on, but I don't.
1:49:57 Speaker 03 No.
1:49:57 Speaker 01 I don't know how to count. But I'm not, I'm not literally Marquette.
1:50:01 Speaker 03 We're not salty, you're salty.
1:50:03 Speaker 01 I don't know how to combine these, so I, I don't know if this is right, but I wrote HP Pavilion DV7 Teenage Engineering.
1:50:10 Speaker 03 There it is.
1:50:11 Andrew Manganelli? No, not right, though, because he wrote T and T.
1:50:14 Speaker 01 Well, I couldn't.
1:50:14 Speaker 03 No, no, no, wrong then, sorry.
1:50:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50:17 Speaker 03 No, we got a point, look at that, okay, anyway.
1:50:19 Speaker 01 Thank God.
1:50:19 Speaker 03 To the real question.
1:50:20 Speaker 01 Well, that was fake.
1:50:22 Speaker 03 Yeah, well, I would have given you the point if you had.
1:50:24 Speaker 01 Well, I kinda got it.
1:50:25 Speaker 03 Okay, okay.
1:50:25 Speaker 01 Whatever, okay.
1:50:26 Speaker 03 Uh, what was Teenage Engineering's first product they ever made?
1:50:30 Speaker 01 Your mom.
1:50:30 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:50:31 Speaker 03 Got them.
1:50:33 Speaker 01 They were playing cards in the 1800s.
1:50:41 Speaker 03 It was actually a rice cooker.
1:50:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50:44 Speaker 03 Sony.
1:50:46 Speaker 01 Um.
1:50:49 Speaker 03 Here we go.
1:50:49 Speaker 01 I feel, I knew this at one point.
1:50:51 Speaker 03 Yeah, because it was a previous question.
1:50:53 Speaker 01 It was in Slack a while ago, probably.
1:50:55 Speaker 03 Oh, yeah, I definitely put it in Slack.
1:50:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50:57 Speaker 03 All right, flip him and read, what do you got?
1:50:59 Speaker 01 Are we about to get "I'm Actually" again by Teenage Engineering?
1:51:01 Andrew Manganelli? That would be really funny.
1:51:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, we're all probably wrong. I wrote a desk.
1:51:06 Speaker 03 Nope.
1:51:07 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote a pencil.
1:51:09 Speaker 03 No.
1:51:10 Andrew Manganelli? That'd be sick.
1:51:10 Speaker 03 That would be cool.
1:51:11 Speaker 01 I'm probably, I hope I'm closest, a radio receiver.
1:51:15 Speaker 03 Wrong, but you are closest, because one of the products they debated doing was a clock radio, but instead they actually did a lamp.
1:51:22 Speaker 01 Oh, yeah, the lamp, the lamp. A lamp? Yeah.
1:51:25 Speaker 03 I was not closest.
1:51:26 Speaker 01 I love lamp, dude.
1:51:30 Speaker 01 All right, hopefully now we for sure won't forget that Teenage Engineering started with a lamp and.
1:51:37 Andrew Manganelli? Next week's question.
1:51:39 Speaker 03 We're all wrong.
1:51:42 Speaker 01 We should just keep having this be a question until we all get it right. Anyway, well, like we said, we might not have gotten it right, but we did learn something, so that's for sure useful, right? Thanks for watching this episode, thanks for listening, and for playing along, of course, in our trivia segment, we have a lot of fun with those. See you soon in the next episode in November. Peace. Oh, it's November now.
1:52:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's November now.
1:52:04 Speaker 01 I know.
1:52:05 Andrew Manganelli? As we're, okay.
1:52:06 Speaker 01 Okay.
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1:52:12 Speaker 01 Bingo.
1:52:13 Speaker 03 Let's go.
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