Pod Insights Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast WWDC 2026: Is Siri Actually Good Now? About this episode This week is all about Apple WWDC! Marques, Andrew, and David go over everything new coming to your Siri. Including some improvements to Siri, new features for Siri, and believe it or not a whole new Siri! Oh yeah, and they talk about some of the new things coming to iOS, MacOS, and VisionOS too. Then they wrap it all up with some trivia. Enjoy!
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1:21 Andrew Manganelli? I just want to say, the Xbox 25th Anniversary Xbox Series X25, in transparent green.
1:28 David Imel? Is that the [bleep] name of the thing?
1:31 Andrew Manganelli? They're calling it the Xbox Series X25.
1:33 Speaker 01 You said Xbox like four times.
1:35 David Imel? Xbox, X25, Xbox Series.
1:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of The Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.
1:46 Andrew Manganelli? I'm Andrew.
1:47 David Imel? And I'm David.
1:48 Speaker 01 And this week was WWDC week from Apple, so of course, we'll be talking about that quite a bit. New software, new AI, a lot of thoughts, maybe some hot takes.
1:57 David Imel? Old Siri.
1:57 Speaker 01 Old Siri, but maybe some other stuff, too. We've got potentially a couple of nostalgic video game stories. You know how I feel about nostalgia?
2:05 David Imel? Backyard baseball?
2:05 Speaker 01 Yep.
2:08 Speaker 01 It's never gonna knock come up.
2:10 David Imel? Pick it and choose it.
2:10 Speaker 01 It's always gonna come up.
2:13 Speaker 01 By the way, if you're a new listener, just trying to hear what happened at Dub Dub, hit that subscribe button. We talk about all the newest tech stories every week. So of course, whenever the next big show is, we'll be talking about that too. Get subscribed so you hear that ASAP when it drops. Audio version's like five in the morning or something crazy.
2:28 David Imel? Four in the morning.
2:29 Speaker 01 You get to listen on your commute, no matter what time you commute.
2:31 David Imel? Even ASAP-er.
2:32 Speaker 01 Yeah. So, but first, did they even test this? Does anybody have a digi?
2:38 David Imel? Adam's got one.
2:39 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, this was my turn. Okay, so my did they even test this is, I think it is a universal experience if you have the services that I have, which is a weird way to phrase this.
2:52 David Imel? 14 people.
2:52 Speaker 03 On the Apple TV, if you have YouTube downloaded and you also have YouTube TV downloaded. I am one of those people that like to put related things together. So I will sit there and rearrange my icons, rearrange the apps, everything to put them together. So I was like, oh, YouTube and YouTube TV, I'll put them together. They have like the exact same icon and it is so confusing. And every time I'm trying to pick one, I accidentally pick the other one. The only difference is that one is in light mode, one is in dark mode. And the YouTube TV one says TV at the end of it. But like, besides that, they look exactly the same. So there's been so many times that like, just my fiance will sit down and try to go to YouTube and she'll accidentally pick YouTube TV. Or I will try to pick YouTube TV and I'll just like not really thinking about it, pick YouTube. And I'm like, they need slightly different icons.
3:37 Speaker 01 Or hear me out. You just go to YouTube and they have a tab that says TV and then it.
3:42 David Imel? Kind of assumed that's what it was.
3:43 Speaker 03 I think that's only on, I could be wrong. I think that's on other, like Roku or something like that, because Roku and them didn't have a deal, something like that. I forget. But.
3:54 Speaker 01 Why don't they just do that?
3:55 Speaker 03 I'll tell you on iPad. TV, there is an app for it.
3:57 Speaker 01 I have the iPad YouTube app and the YouTube TV app and I regularly, they are almost exactly the same icon as well, just with a little TV at the bottom. So I also sometimes hit the wrong one.
4:06 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, this might just be just an app thing, not even just for Apple TV. They might just have too similar an app.
4:11 Speaker 01 Probably. Yeah. You know what they should change it to? Remember when the old iOS original YouTube app was a TV?
4:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
4:18 Speaker 01 That's what the YouTube TV.
4:19 David Imel? Should be the old.
4:20 Speaker 01 Icon.
4:21 David Imel? Icon.
4:22 Speaker 01 Yeah, just throw it all the way back. Nostalgia.
4:24 David Imel? Nostalgia.
4:25 Speaker 03 Nostalgia sells. Sex is so last decade.
4:28 Speaker 01 Yeah. Speaking of did they even test this, by the way, um, one of our readers did go and create a did they even test this subreddit?
4:36 David Imel? So if people want to submit their own, did they even test this? We will be looking through those. We don't moderate it, but we will be looking at it.
4:42 Speaker 01 Are you saying we'll test them?
4:44 David Imel? Um, we may, we may, because sometimes the things that we bring, we didn't even test, to be honest.
4:51 Andrew Manganelli? That's like last week's title for the podcast.
4:53 David Imel? Yeah, like last week's title.
4:55 Speaker 01 If you know, you know.
4:55 David Imel? Yeah.
4:56 Speaker 01 If you know, you know.
4:57 David Imel? Draft.
4:57 Speaker 01 Okay.
4:58 David Imel? It was great.
4:58 Speaker 03 Notification.
4:59 David Imel? Big deal. Tim Cook's last good morning at Dub Dub this year.
5:03 Speaker 04 Good morning. Thank you for joining us today at Apple Park.
5:07 Speaker 01 It was interesting. It was interesting. There's a lot of, um, I was just telling you guys off camera, but I feel like there are a bunch of little things that were slightly different about this keynote that they've technically never done before.
5:18 David Imel? Yeah.
5:19 Speaker 01 Little, it might not make much of a difference at all, but like, did you notice that there were people, for the first time I've ever seen this, walking in the background behind the presenter in Apple Park? Like, like Craig would walk out of the woods and they're in the, in the blurry in the background, there'd be like two people walking with binders, just like having a conversation.
5:36 Andrew Manganelli? There's a few instances where people were in the background. It was like not enough people to think that the campus was, because like normally it feels just closed down.
5:44 Speaker 01 Normally it's totally sterile and nobody's in the background.
5:46 Andrew Manganelli? But there were still so few that it still felt closed down and like possible. There was one where they were by the, what's that, like reflecting pool?
5:54 Speaker 01 Some big shallow pool.
5:55 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
5:56 Speaker 01 I don't even know where that is.
5:56 Andrew Manganelli? In the background, there was two people talking to each other, but one was wearing all black and just blended in. So just sort of like one person talking to themselves for a little bit, but yeah. I'm, I can't tell if they were told to be there.
6:09 Speaker 01 I noticed that. I felt like that's, it's definitely, it's such a big production. It has to be an intentional choice of like, oh, we're shooting it on campus. We might as well make it feel more like the campus is alive. But that was a small thing I noticed.
6:19 David Imel? A lot of the productions seemed to be a little less high quality than usual.
6:22 Speaker 01 Well, that's exactly, okay, that's another thing I was gonna say. Did you notice a lot of the shots felt a little bit more handheld?
6:28 Andrew Manganelli? We were freaking out. We probably missed the first 15 minutes of it because we're all like, is this fake handheld? Is this real? Some of it was good. Some of it was really bad.
6:37 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. Distra, and again, it's definitely, it's definitely an intentional decision of like, let's make it feel a little more alive, a little more dynamic. Those are such big productions that every little thing is being considered. And someone decided that they would do a little bit less big, sweepy, slow mo and a little bit more. Wobbly handheld.
6:55 David Imel? But the thing I will say is that they, they didn't even do any drone shots this year. Uh, when they announced the new macOS version, which we will get to, they didn't have any shots of them in front of that location. Like, they didn't do any crazy location stuff this year.
7:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:10 David Imel? Which made me think that maybe they did rush the video production, like they only did it a few weeks ago, maybe?
7:15 Speaker 01 Here's, here's one more thing I noticed that I've never seen before. Did you notice that they didn't diffuse the light as much and it was clearly broad daylight instead of the super, super soft?
7:24 David Imel? Yes.
7:25 Speaker 01 So it's a small thing.
7:26 David Imel? Well, this is what I'm saying. It felt less produced, which.
7:29 Speaker 01 It just felt a little different. I don't know if it felt to me less produced. It just felt a little bit more natural, a little less hyper polished.
7:36 Speaker 03 My theory is because they were announcing all the AI stuff and they wanted to feel human. Before it's sterile and robotic and beautiful, sweeping, we're so cool. Now it's like, they're gonna be talking about AI for an hour? Let's make it handheld. Let's have people in the background.
7:51 Andrew Manganelli? That tracks with all the transitions. The transitions were very like low frame rate, uh, like match cuts and stuff. It looked very human, I guess is a way of saying. Which I liked, really liked that. Then they ruined it all with that rap at the end. That was.
8:04 David Imel? That was hor- dude, that was incredible. That was such a great. That was amazing. No way, bro.
8:11 Speaker 03 That's the only thing I've been listening to.
8:14 David Imel? It was just the corporate appeasement rap. They were like. The Gap and Walmart. Come on.
8:19 Andrew Manganelli? That's one way of looking at it.
8:20 David Imel? What do you mean? It was also like, all the developers were there and they were like, please shout out my app. And they did and they went. Yeah, but there were so many corporate apps, though.
8:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, but the developers of those apps still people.
8:31 Andrew Manganelli? That was the equivalent of when a YouTuber puts all of the Patreon members on the, at the end of their YouTube video. That was just them shouting them out at the end.
8:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah. And you know, I can't attribute any of this unique stuff to being like Tim's last dub dub or like the handoff to Turner's or whatever. But I, you know, those were things that we noticed and we always seem to think of Apple's keynotes as like the staple of like what you expect a tech keynote to be and what everyone seems to be chasing. So it's interesting to notice that stuff.
8:58 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know if either of you guys went to it. But I saw like 400 selfies with John Turnus.
9:04 David Imel? I was there. So I was there. Yeah, they brought. So John Turnus was not in the event at all, which was interesting. He was not in the video. It was kind of surprising.
9:11 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
9:11 David Imel? But yeah, there was a little, there's like a little media mixer every year that traditionally has only been for international people. And then now they finally added US people to it. I went to just mingle with my friends, like the Verge team and stuff. And yeah, they brought John Turnus in and he basically just did like a power walk through there, like slowly just boom, boom, boom, boom. And he was there for like maybe half an hour and then he pieced out. And I think that they just wanted to bring him in to be like, he's human, he's accessible, he's cool.
9:43 Andrew Manganelli? It made me think he was gonna be in the event somewhere.
9:46 David Imel? Yeah, and he was not in it at all.
9:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, I mean, Tim Cook's still the CEO, you know? Craig's still the head of software.
9:52 David Imel? For now.
9:53 Speaker 01 So for now, this is a, a normal WWDC cast of characters. We never see John at Dub Dub because he's the hardware.
9:59 Andrew Manganelli? I kind of thought there would be like a handoff or like a, an ode somewhere in the end, like a, a...
10:06 David Imel? The ode, so...
10:07 Speaker 01 Something happen in person. Yeah, so I guess in person, what they'll typically do, I've said this in videos before, but they tried out the CEO and then Craig for like five minutes of speech before the livestream starts. So people who are there will get that livestream. So it was Craig, he walks out, he goes, "This is, you know, big round of applause, Tim's last Dub Dub, 15 years of leadership, it's all been great."
10:24 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, he did say...
10:24 Speaker 01 Yeah. Tim comes out, he gives about 25 thank yous.
10:28 David Imel? Yeah.
10:28 Speaker 01 Because everyone's like standing, you know, everyone there is super loves Apple, so they're all standing applauding, "Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you." Then he gives a five minutes of, "This has been the honor of my life and enjoy the show."
10:38 David Imel? Yeah.
10:39 Speaker 01 So that was the ode, I think.
10:41 Andrew Manganelli? Why can't they just show that?
10:43 David Imel? I was surprised at that, too.
10:44 Andrew Manganelli? I've been always wondering that. This felt the best time to do it.
10:48 Speaker 03 If I was Tim Cook, I would not want that shown in that way because I don't think he wants it to be about himself. He wants it to be about what Apple does and what it means to developers and the world and all this stuff. Like, take the focus off of him.
11:01 Speaker 01 There was a tiny, tiny bit at the very end, didn't he say? Like, "The last 15 years has been great," basically. That was kind of it.
11:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
11:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:09 Andrew Manganelli? He didn't actually, I don't think he actually said goodbye in that. Like, he doesn't mention, he just said like, "This has been life-changing, yeah, it's been great."
11:17 Speaker 03 Well, he still has the September.
11:18 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, but it was still his last event and they didn't really...
11:21 David Imel? He's not gonna be headlining that, though.
11:23 Andrew Manganelli? But he's, he'll still be CEO. Oh no, he takes over September 1st.
11:26 Speaker 01 September 1st. Yeah, so he won't be CEO anymore. Yeah, they'll be in the audience just like a fan.
11:31 Andrew Manganelli? He'll be making a new Ferrari by then.
11:34 Speaker 01 I really hope not.
11:36 David Imel? Yeah, okay, so well, I did tweet a video of, uh, six years ago, of Tim Cook saying thank you 25 times. So if you actually want to see it, even though it wasn't in the live stream, you can head to my Twitter. But, we gotta get into the actual announcements.
11:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:50 David Imel? We're breaking this out, the way that we're gonna handle this is because it was a crazy, there's, this is one of the years where there's just like 8,000 little updates. So the way that we're gonna break this down is that we're gonna go through the platform changes, which is the Apple Watch, the iPhone, the iPad, the Mac, all that kinda stuff. And then, we are going to go into the...
12:10 Andrew Manganelli? Parental safety and Siri AI.
12:12 David Imel? Parental safety stuff, and then we're gonna do Siri separately, because this year is a big Siri year, it's the Siri Part 2 Electric Boogaloo comeback story.
12:22 Speaker 01 I just wanna say, I was close. I said they would call it Siri OS, they called it Siri AI.
12:25 David Imel? They called it Siri AI, which is very, sure.
12:30 Andrew Manganelli? Six total letters.
12:31 David Imel? Different, but physically very close.
12:34 Speaker 01 True.
12:34 David Imel? Yeah, so we're gonna, we're gonna handle Siri completely separately, but I think first, we should just go through the individual platform updates, and I specifically stripped the Siri stuff from the platform updates, because we're gonna all handle it all together.
12:46 Speaker 01 Sure. Yeah, a lot of people have been describing this as like the snow leopard of, uh, you know, it's a bunch of small incremental combing through, attention to detail, performance increases, like no big design overhaul, no huge features really needed, just fix the buggy crap.
13:03 David Imel? Yeah.
13:04 Speaker 01 You know, like you've been, you've been building all this wonderful new stuff, but it's been kind of a show behind the scenes, like fix that part, you know? So now, much more efficiencies, much more, we heard things like faster app opening, faster file loading, faster indexing and things like that.
13:22 Andrew Manganelli? My favorite part about that is, did you notice when, uh, that she came up and she's talking about all these things that are faster and has this big list that keeps scrolling?
13:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:30 Andrew Manganelli? And I was like, oh man, it's in alphabetical order and there's still an M. Then I realized every single time it scrolls, it's just because it starts with faster.
13:37 Speaker 01 Faster.
13:38 Andrew Manganelli? It's like a list of like 50 things that just all start with faster.
13:41 Speaker 01 And I welcome that. That's great. I want everything to feel super snappy. 80% faster airdrops is like, alright.
13:47 David Imel? Yeah.
13:47 Speaker 01 Great.
13:48 David Imel? Up to.
13:48 Speaker 01 Up to, obviously. Maybe once in a while it'll be 80% faster.
13:52 Speaker 03 Oh yeah, by the way, we should mention Rufus is here.
13:53 Speaker 01 Oh yeah. Hey.
13:54 David Imel? Hey. Alison's on vacation.
13:56 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:56 David Imel? Look at me.
13:58 Andrew Manganelli? He's up to now.
14:00 Speaker 01 So I'm, I'm happy to see that stuff.
14:03 David Imel? Yeah. So, so if you guys know what Snow Leopard is, I was looking more into Snow Leopard. It's an old macOS version that was the follow-up to OSX Leopard.
14:11 Andrew Manganelli? Where's Snow Leopard in California?
14:14 David Imel? It's in Lake Tahoe. So, anyway, there, the tagline for Snow Leopard, I just wanted to call this out, was zero new, zero new features. Which is very funny. Hell yeah. Yeah, I just think. Embrace it. That's such a.
14:28 Speaker 01 A thing you already know and love.
14:29 David Imel? Steve Jobs thing.
14:30 Speaker 01 Which just works better.
14:31 David Imel? Yes.
14:32 Speaker 01 Yes.
14:32 Andrew Manganelli? Trust me.
14:33 Speaker 01 They, they shouted out things like improved crisper icons, matching corner radii.
14:39 David Imel? That actually, that was great.
14:41 Speaker 01 Which, it's huge. That's why I was specifically looking, I haven't downloaded the beta yet, but you know that thing where you go to airdrop someone and then you select all of the like, people to airdrop to and then you're about to click one and then it just shifts them all over? And the one you click is not the one you wanted and it shifts them all over again?
14:56 David Imel? The worst.
14:56 Speaker 01 This better be one of those improvements. They better fix that.
14:59 David Imel? It's supposed to fix it.
15:00 Speaker 01 They better fix that.
15:01 David Imel? Alright, so number one, when you first boot up your new iPhone with iOS 27 or your Mac, there are now liquid glass sliders. So you can decide whether or not you want it to be fully glassy, little in the middle, or very opaque.
15:17 Andrew Manganelli? Did you test, try it at all?
15:19 David Imel? I did.
15:20 Andrew Manganelli? Am I correct in saying they said for people who want it more transparent, there's ultra clear, so that slider now?
15:26 David Imel? It's not more than before. It's like just before.
15:30 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
15:30 Speaker 01 So the middle is, is not.
15:33 David Imel? In between.
15:33 Speaker 01 So like, if I were to compare today's liquid glass with the middle of the slider for tomorrow's liquid glass.
15:41 David Imel? I would say it's between the original, what they shipped at the very beginning.
15:45 Speaker 01 That was like really translucent.
15:47 David Imel? With what they shipped later where they made it a little more opaque. It's like in the middle of those.
15:51 Speaker 01 Okay.
15:52 David Imel? Yeah.
15:52 Andrew Manganelli? I will say, I love this.
15:53 David Imel? Yeah.
15:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, this is, this is the thing. I feel like people mocked this up on Twitter for like months after it came out, like, "Give us a slider, we just want to adjust it." And then the fact that you can make it more clear or less clear is hilarious. Cause there are people on both sides of the fence, so.
16:06 David Imel? They.
16:07 Speaker 01 There it is.
16:07 Andrew Manganelli? They did say, "For some users who would like liquid glass to be even more clear and others prefer a more tinted appearance."
16:14 David Imel? Which, remember, they sort of pulled it back.
16:17 Andrew Manganelli? Pre, it's like alpha.
16:18 David Imel? However, however, there is a universal change that makes it more readable. And that is that they basically sharpened the edges of all of the liquid glass interfaces. So anything that has the translucency on it, it's got like, it's got sharpening around the perimeter, which just makes it easier to like read things. It makes it easier to like see the difference between the liquid glass interface and what's below it.
16:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:41 David Imel? It's better across the board, by far. So, that is good.
16:45 Andrew Manganelli? Good.
16:46 David Imel? Yeah. Um, as you mentioned, Marquez, apps launch up to 30% faster. This is especially obvious on older iPhones because this OS does go back to the iPhone 11.
16:55 Andrew Manganelli? Mm-hmm.
16:56 David Imel? Which is really cool.
16:56 Speaker 01 Can I just say, again, making older iPhones much faster, without adding any new features, is a great software update.
17:04 David Imel? Yes.
17:05 Speaker 01 The iPhone 11 is how old now? I mean, that's an older, that's seven years old, that phone?
17:10 David Imel? Yeah, it's.
17:11 Speaker 01 That's a long time ago to be getting a software update to make it dramatically faster.
17:14 David Imel? Yeah.
17:15 Speaker 01 Thumbs up for that. Big thumbs up.
17:16 Andrew Manganelli? The CPU scheduler will go all the way back to iPhone 11 as well. And they said, that was one where it was like, "This is what it does, but it will probably be helping those phones way more than the newer phone."
17:26 David Imel? Yes, yes. Uh, we're also getting automatic Wi-Fi to cellular switching to be much faster, which is good. They basically mentioned that, you know, you're in your house, you walk into your garage, but then your phone doesn't want to connect to your cellular, but it's also on too weak of a Wi-Fi connection, so you can't actually start your music fast enough. Now, when it detects that you're on a very weak Wi-Fi connection, it'll just instantly switch to cellular. So.
17:48 Andrew Manganelli? That happens in the gym here, every single time.
17:51 David Imel? All the time.
17:51 Andrew Manganelli? I have to just manually swap to data instead?
17:54 David Imel? Yes. Okay. Genmoji got overhauled.
17:57 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, we can skip this part.
17:59 David Imel? I specifically flushed this out, baby, cuz I love it.
18:03 Andrew Manganelli? These are some good things, and then Genmoji has like six.
18:06 David Imel? Genmoji. Okay, but it's a completely different interface now. Like, they totally changed the Genmoji interface.
18:11 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
18:11 David Imel? And, and, Genmoji used to make your phone like catch on fire, and now it doesn't at all.
18:16 Speaker 03 Does it still send as a sticker?
18:18 David Imel? Um, well, it's different. It's not a sticker. Well, you can create a sticker, but a Genmoji is, it's like sort of in between a sticker and an emoji.
18:27 Speaker 03 It sends as an.
18:27 Andrew Manganelli? It's revolutionary.
18:28 David Imel? It's like a, it's a scalable image vector file.
18:31 Speaker 03 But it sends as a sticker.
18:34 David Imel? Shut up, Adam.
18:35 Speaker 01 Trying to make it sound useful as a scalable image vector file is hilarious.
18:38 David Imel? Okay, well, before you had to like select a person to use as a base, and then you had to like mix it with an emoji, and it was just weird and not good. I still loved it, but it was still not good. Now, you can use any image, and it will basically like make like a Genmoji of that image, which is crazy.
18:55 Speaker 03 I love all these too, like Emoji Kitchen on Gboard. Freaking awesome. But like, they send us images, and it kind of ruins the like comedic effect when a giant.
19:04 David Imel? This is not, no, well, I mean, I could try to send this to you, Adam. Do you wanna see what happens? Yeah, I'm gonna send it to you, Adam.
19:11 Speaker 03 I'm not on iOS, by the way.
19:12 David Imel? I know. That's why.
19:14 Andrew Manganelli? So it's definitely coming in as a JPG.
19:15 David Imel? All right, we're gonna make.
19:17 Speaker 01 JPG.
19:17 David Imel? Okay, this is the new Genmoji UI, right? It's way better. You can start recording. I'll screen record. Thank you.
19:23 Andrew Manganelli? It looks very like AI prompts.
19:26 David Imel? You look like an AI prompt.
19:28 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I, probably will look cooler than that Genmoji. It also says, "Imagine." It says, "Emoji. Describe an emoji."
19:35 David Imel? Let's say, I'm gonna make this, this is me as Link from Zelda, and let's say.
19:42 Speaker 03 Dude, copyright is just not a thing?
19:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
19:46 David Imel? Well, I'm not even describing anything. I'm just developing a genmoji.
19:49 Andrew Manganelli? It is. It's got a little bubble around it.
19:51 David Imel? Look at this. That's pretty bad.
19:53 Andrew Manganelli? Actually, I don't think that's that bad, except for the fact that, so it-
19:56 David Imel? It actually did use me with my, like, stick Na'vi and everything, you know?
20:00 Andrew Manganelli? The biggest issue is, it looks like it's really poorly cut out from a background, even though it's a generated emoji. Why does it have, like-
20:07 David Imel? So it looks that way at first, but when you actually send it, it doesn't go through like that. Describe a change, though. What would you like to change about this?
20:13 Andrew Manganelli? Get rid of the crappy white outline.
20:15 David Imel? We can mix it with a real emoji. Let's mix it with the crying laughing. Did you say beaver?
20:20 Andrew Manganelli? Beer. There is a-
20:22 David Imel? Oh, let's do crying laughing and beer. Wait, is there a beer emoji?
20:25 Andrew Manganelli? It was right before it.
20:26 David Imel? I know that we're spending a lot of time on this. Here, there's a cheers emoji. Okay, let's see what happens. Boom, baby.
20:32 Speaker 01 I'm so sorry, listeners.
20:33 David Imel? And this is a, and-
20:34 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, interactive thing?
20:35 David Imel? There's a little liquid glass thing that goes around. Oh, you can't. All right, no beer. Anyway. No, that's fine. We'll end it there.
20:42 Andrew Manganelli? There's a couple of-
20:42 David Imel? I don't wanna, all I gotta say is I love emojis.
20:45 Speaker 01 Genmoji's overhauled. I know a lot of you guys are waiting for-
20:47 Andrew Manganelli? David really just sold genmoji for everyone.
20:50 David Imel? I mean, way improved performance, like, multi-element designs, interactive editing. It's pretty cool. Speaking of that whole image generating model, Image Playground got revamped with photorealistic generation and new editing tools.
21:04 Speaker 01 Hmm.
21:05 David Imel? I'm pretty sure this is sort of using the same stuff as, like, Nano Banana, you know?
21:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:11 David Imel? It's not directly Nano Banana, because none of this is directly Gemini, but-
21:14 Speaker 01 Sure.
21:15 David Imel? That's what they say.
21:16 Speaker 01 Slop generator just got way more-
21:18 David Imel? Yeah, slop generator. I actually did write that down.
21:21 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, you wrote slop like 14 times in a couple of sentences.
21:25 David Imel? It'll also suggest slop wallpapers for you, which is fun and not fun.
21:30 Andrew Manganelli? Slop papers?
21:30 David Imel? Look under your seat. It's more slop.
21:34 David Imel? It's more slop. Okay, okay.
21:36 Andrew Manganelli? You get slop.
21:37 David Imel? You get slop. Okay, we have new photo editing tools within the Photos app.
21:42 Speaker 01 Okay, these are interesting.
21:43 David Imel? These are actually interesting, and I got to, like, talk to them about how they work, and it's really interesting. It uses a lot of Vision Pro technology, actually, so the Vision Pro was not for nothing.
21:53 Speaker 01 Okay, so there's three new photo editing tools.
21:55 David Imel? Yes.
21:55 Speaker 01 The first one, well, is not new, but it's improved. Cleanup. You've probably heard of Cleanup.
21:59 David Imel? Improved by a lot.
21:59 Speaker 01 You just tap the item in the front or the background, and it deletes it. We've seen a lot of comparisons of people, like, comparing it to, like, a Samsung phone, where the Samsung phone reconstructs your face, and the Apple one doesn't do it well.
22:08 David Imel? Yeah.
22:08 Speaker 01 Seems like this one's much better. So Cleanup is better. The second one is extend. So if you have a shot that you want to add to the side or top of, you know, I wish you were standing further away, or you don't have an ultrawide because you have an iPhone Air, you want to get more of the background. You can extend an image up to 25% on any edge, and it'll generate more of what it thinks the rest of the photo would look like. Now, I think you can then just take that and extend it again, and then just take that and extend it again. So the 25% limit is for each pass, but eventually it's gonna find-
22:44 Andrew Manganelli? It's gonna get worse. It's like a game of telephone with the edges at that point.
22:48 Speaker 01 Yeah. The examples they showed us were like a person in the center of the frame perfectly, and it's just like background, and you just add more background.
22:55 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. It's funny, because I feel like the most useful that would be is when you're not centered, and maybe you want to upload to something like Instagram, which is square, and you're like, "I just want to not have to crop in order to center myself, but just add some stuff that no one on Instagram cares about." If the left side of the frame is 15%.
23:12 Speaker 01 I have tried this a few times, and we have to give a disclaimer that this is all beta software, legally. But I took a photo of V-Song from The Verge, and her arm was slightly cut off here, and she was sitting on a chair, and her sweater was like hanging off the back of the chair. And part of the sweater was cut off, and her arm was cut off. So I extended it out, it like added arm pixels, and it looked very, very realistic. And the part of the chair that it added, it also had her sweater draping along the back of the chair. It looked very, very realistic. Sounds, I've seen, I mean, the examples look good. I think I'm going to try it with the not, I mean, it'll be best with just pattern backgrounds, so it just makes more pattern. But I'm gonna try it with all the other things, like arms and legs and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So-
23:56 Andrew Manganelli? Extending images in like Photoshop or whatever is always either like, "Holy cow, that was incredible, and I did no work," or "What on earth are you trying to add to this photo?"
24:05 Speaker 01 Just add a third arm. Yeah.
24:07 Speaker 03 Do you think you can use this to make yourself look taller?
24:09 Speaker 01 Probably.
24:11 David Imel? Like, who needs leg lengthening surgery?
24:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, it depends on how, what it decides to do.
24:15 David Imel? Extend my legs.
24:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, cuz you can't tell it directly what to do in this version.
24:20 Andrew Manganelli? But I guess if you're, if you're wearing shorts and it like cuts off at the shins, will it just keep adding shins longer and longer down?
24:26 Speaker 01 Yeah.
24:27 David Imel? I think it'll probably.
24:27 Speaker 03 At some points, it has to decide there's feet.
24:29 Speaker 01 Yeah, if I just keep extending it.
24:31 Andrew Manganelli? I wanna try that so bad.
24:32 Speaker 01 It's gonna draw legs until it draw, it's gonna figure out what shoes it wants to add.
24:35 David Imel? Damn.
24:36 Speaker 01 So that's, yeah, that is extend, fun for changing aspect ratios. Lastly, there is this rotating feature. What is it called?
24:43 David Imel? Reframe.
24:44 Speaker 01 Spatial reframe.
24:45 David Imel? Yeah, spatial reframe.
24:46 Speaker 01 Okay, spatial reframe is really trippy. So the idea is you took a photo where you actually wanna change the place you took the photo from in 3D space. You wanna rotate over a little bit, or up, or down a little bit, and it will use generative fill and, like you said, the spatial reconstruction. Cuz when you looked at a photo and turned it 3D with the Vision Pro's tech, it was a pretty convincing like 3D reconstruction. So it's, it's generating pixels in between to try to adjust your perspective.
25:20 David Imel? Yeah.
25:21 Speaker 01 I would love to test this a lot. I really don't know how good this could possibly be.
25:27 David Imel? It's pretty good.
25:27 Speaker 01 It's really impressive when you're just moving around in the preview and it looks like you're literally warping and like if someone was sitting in a photo and like looking to the side of the camera and then you just move it over so that you're in their eye line, suddenly you're making eye contact in a photo where they weren't making eye contact. Trippy.
25:43 David Imel? Yeah.
25:44 Speaker 01 But it'll do it, and then it'll reconstruct the background, reconstruct the angles of the face, et cetera.
25:49 David Imel? Yeah.
25:49 Speaker 01 And, I don't know, that should be interesting.
25:51 David Imel? The way that the Vision Pro does it and the way that the iPhones now do it is they do Gaussian splatting, which is basically they create, they recreate a 3D scene using, using Gaussian splats. And then it uses that sort of 3D model to do generative fill on the areas.
26:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
26:08 David Imel? It's really realistic.
26:10 Speaker 01 It's quite realistic.
26:11 Andrew Manganelli? It feels like one of those things that, like... You know, you see it and you want to test it and you test the extreme of it and you're gonna find all of the issues with it.
26:19 David Imel? Yeah.
26:20 Andrew Manganelli? But when I think of it, I think of like, when I've taken a photo of like, a corner of a building and I was like, one degree off.
26:27 David Imel? Oh, true.
26:27 Andrew Manganelli? You know, like, it should probably be ultra minor, like, adjustments where you're just like, I was just like, this little tiny angle off of the, the thing I was trying to frame in with this, and like, a little tiny tweak can probably, it's almost content.
26:42 David Imel? Yeah.
26:42 Andrew Manganelli? We're filling it in that.
26:43 David Imel? Which, to be fair, like, there's, there's, in Lightroom and Photoshop, there's tools where you can just auto align and it'll, it'll spatially align things anyway.
26:51 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
26:51 David Imel? So you don't.
26:52 Speaker 01 It's just not as pretty to like, you can drag it with your hand and like, watch it turn someone's head, which is crazy. They did mention, when I first saw this, I thought this was just gonna be photos like, shot with the latest couple of iPhones, because you have more depth information, but they said it's any photo from any camera. I don't know if it means it's better from iPhones, or if it's just the same quality from whatever.
27:11 David Imel? They told me that they trained most of the image model that does the reconstruction on iPhone photos, but they have other photos that they also trained it on.
27:19 Speaker 01 I tried this with a photo I took on my X100, and it was a better result than a photo I tried on an iPhone.
27:25 David Imel? Interesting. Interesting.
27:27 Speaker 01 It might have just been because.
27:28 David Imel? Was that a higher resolution too?
27:29 Speaker 01 Probably was a higher resolution, probably was a little sharper. That might have something to do with it.
27:33 David Imel? Yeah, but they, so you can like, you can use one finger to sort of like, move, kind of pivot around the object, but if you use two fingers, you can physically move the camera up and down.
27:42 Speaker 01 So strange.
27:43 David Imel? Which is very strange.
27:44 Speaker 01 And then again, you can only go a certain amount, but then you can save and then
27:48 David Imel? Do it again.
27:48 Speaker 01 go further and go further, and I just feel like, I want to take like, a picture of someone like, blowing out candles, and then just go to the back of their head.
27:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
27:54 Speaker 01 And see all the people in front of them, like.
27:56 Andrew Manganelli? The Thousand Upload Project.
27:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, yes.
27:59 David Imel? Yeah.
27:59 Speaker 01 Damn, wait, wow.
28:00 David Imel? It's a good idea.
28:01 Speaker 01 This is a good short.
28:02 David Imel? Maybe.
28:02 Speaker 01 Like, just keep rotating.
28:03 David Imel? Yeah.
28:04 Speaker 01 Just see what it reconstructs on the other side.
28:06 Andrew Manganelli? Can we 360 a person?
28:07 Speaker 01 Whoa. Okay, yeah, we're doing that.
28:09 Andrew Manganelli? I want to do it with the legs also. I think the leg thing is hilarious.
28:13 Speaker 01 Definitely would do that with the legs.
28:14 David Imel? The legs will be funny.
28:15 Andrew Manganelli? Wemba Yana out of nowhere.
28:17 David Imel? So they changed the camera UI yet again. They now have three little settings at the top, so you can change the format. You can turn flash on and off, and you can turn live photos on and off. And then now, they used to have the extra options in the top right. Now it's just more accessible near the shutter button, which is interesting. And now, and we'll get to this later, there is now a Siri mode. So this is basically for visual intelligence, because before, you had to use camera control to access visual intelligence. Now you can just use the Siri mode within the camera app itself.
28:48 Speaker 01 And you can still use camera control.
28:49 David Imel? And you can still use camera control to access that, yeah. And the UI is way better than the... The last UI for camera intel... for visual intelligence was like, it was like one button and a little screen.
28:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
28:59 David Imel? Yeah.
29:00 Speaker 01 Chat with your photo.
29:01 David Imel? Last... yeah, very not well thought out. Okay, now Wallet is adding a create a pass feature, so you can scan physical passes in the real world and create digital versions of them to keep in your Apple Wallet. If they... I believe if they have like NFC capability, you can also scan it and it'll become a digital NFC pass, which is pretty cool.
29:21 Speaker 01 That's nice. There's also the menu thing, or the receipt thing.
29:26 David Imel? Yes.
29:26 Speaker 01 So if you have a receipt, you can take a picture of it with the Siri camera, and then it will like itemize it and break it all out. And then you can split the bill and then charge everyone with Apple Cash or something.
29:34 David Imel? You have to use Apple Cash. I did try this last night, and it is actually a very cool UI, because it seman... it like breaks down each individual item, and it's like, who got this item? Who got this item? This is the exact price. And then you put in the percentage of the tip that you put in, and it splits it between everybody. It's a very good UI.
29:50 Speaker 05 It is really cool to see that demo and like use it every once in a while, but I don't remember the last time I actually did something like that.
29:57 Speaker 01 I do think this is a tech demo feature. People never use it. They always just take a picture and Venmo each other. But for the tech demo, it's like, oh, that's cool that that worked.
30:06 Andrew Manganelli? It's cool, yeah. And I guess a more complicated split check of a bunch of people getting all sorts of different levels of hungriness.
30:11 Speaker 05 Everyone has Apple Cash?
30:13 David Imel? That's the problem. Apple Cash is easy to connect to your bank account, but not a lot of people use it.
30:18 Andrew Manganelli? Well, but doesn't it also split it and just tell you the numbers? And then you don't have to pay through it? You can just tell everybody this is how much it actually is?
30:24 Speaker 01 Ooh, this is something I wanted to do in my recap video, but I didn't have enough time to write it all in. But I think it would have been really clever. I wanted to do a Sherlock counter. And that is definitely an app in the App Store is like, uh, like even Splitwise, I'm sure would have had something like this where you just take a picture of the receipt and it just breaks it up and tells you how to pay.
30:42 David Imel? Hundred percent.
30:43 Speaker 01 Sherlocked. There you go. Right there. Counter. One.
30:46 Andrew Manganelli? Here's one. I have another one for you where all of them are probably wrong.
30:51 Andrew Manganelli? Taking pictures to calorie track items. Didn't they throw that in here too?
30:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
30:56 Andrew Manganelli? It doesn't, it's not gonna work. It does, you can't tell what people are using or what's on this food.
31:02 Speaker 01 They're gonna try. Yeah.
31:03 Andrew Manganelli? It's gonna be. It's just never going to work.
31:05 Speaker 01 It's never gonna be accurate.
31:06 David Imel? Yeah. The reason it won't be accurate is because you just don't know how much oil that, that.
31:10 Andrew Manganelli? Oil or seasoning or anything.
31:12 David Imel? Oil, honestly.
31:13 Andrew Manganelli? A lot of times, but like, it could be a handful of almonds. Like this could be anywhere from four to like 10 and like, who knows? Yeah. Why'd you pick that example?
31:26 David Imel? The humane almonds.
31:27 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know. It's just never gonna work.
31:29 David Imel? Or a closed burrito, a closed burrito. As we talked about last time.
31:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
31:34 David Imel? Uh, okay. Big change. Passwords can now automatically fix themselves if they have compromised or weak credentials.
31:41 Speaker 01 This is, this is crazy.
31:43 David Imel? Yeah.
31:43 Speaker 01 This to me was the biggest new feature.
31:46 David Imel? It's like agentic in a way.
31:47 Speaker 01 This is the most agentic new feature as well.
31:49 David Imel? One of them. Yeah.
31:50 Speaker 01 So the way it works is the Passwords app, which for years it's already been telling you, hey, your passwords are weak, your passwords are compromised. If you have, uh, the same password in more than one site, it'll tell you this is a weak password. So all of these have always been flagged before, but people don't often do anything about it. This new Passwords app will, if you decide to give it permission to, it will agentically go in to these websites one by one, log in, and change your password to a more secure password that it then saves and remembers so that it can log you in in the future.
32:20 David Imel? Yeah.
32:20 Speaker 01 So it's a, it's so polarizing because I posted about this. It's a good thing.
32:25 David Imel? Yeah.
32:25 Speaker 01 Because it makes all of your passwords more secure, makes them like 30 characters long and alphanumeric and all this fun stuff.
32:31 David Imel? Yeah.
32:33 Speaker 01 But it also means it has to identically go do that and you are now
32:36 David Imel? Locked in.
32:37 Speaker 01 Not locked in, but much more likely to just keep using the passwords app.
32:41 Speaker 05 Is there any way to export that?
32:43 Speaker 01 Yes.
32:43 David Imel? Yeah, you can.
32:44 Speaker 01 Okay, so you can go through and export and then save it to pass, you know, seven, what is it? One password, I use that, but like that, it's very clever what they've done with that.
32:52 Speaker 05 And I hope it works.
32:53 Andrew Manganelli? Sherlock also.
32:55 Speaker 01 Could be a Sherlock as well. I mean, it's not fully, I don't know if any other app has done that exact feature where they will identically go in and change that, but just as far as an agent going and acting on your behalf.
33:05 David Imel? I think this also requires like the, we'll get to the new series stuff later, but it requires the personal context of your email because most of these websites, when you change the password, will send you a one-time code.
33:16 Speaker 01 Mm hmm.
33:16 David Imel? And then so it needs to know what that one-time code is so they can go back to the website, put the code in and.
33:21 Speaker 05 Unless it's Meta AI, then you just tell the AI, no, I don't have access to that email and it resets the password.
33:27 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I'm thinking, cause like Megaphone makes us change our password every six months and I've forgotten it every single time, but like that's a, you have to do a captcha every time you do it. So would this be able to go through, that feels like an immediate.
33:42 David Imel? I mean, all, okay, every single one of the demos is good if it works, but I have so many questions about what happens if it doesn't work.
33:50 Speaker 01 For sure.
33:51 David Imel? And that is a good, that is a good example of like, what happens if there is a captcha?
33:53 Andrew Manganelli? It probably just decides.
33:55 David Imel? The UI.
33:55 Andrew Manganelli? We can't do this one, you go do it.
33:56 David Imel? They showed a little UI of like showing all of your passwords and you select the ones that are compromised or weak and you said, change these for me. And over time it'll like light up green if it's changed it successfully.
34:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:08 David Imel? So maybe it'll just show the ones that it hasn't been able to change successfully.
34:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
34:11 David Imel? I know that Google has like eight times introduced the feature where it can automatically unsubscribe from emails for you.
34:18 Speaker 01 Allegedly.
34:19 David Imel? Exactly. Because half the time, every time it doesn't work.
34:23 Speaker 05 I specifically tested this like a week ago because I was like, okay, I'm looking at this exact email that I got from this company.
34:29 David Imel? Yeah.
34:29 Speaker 05 I'm clicking on subscribe and if it shows up again, I'm going to take note and it did.
34:33 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know, it's usually because those places then in their unsubscribe list are like, well, you can unsubscribe from sales or reminders or this. And so like, it's probably
34:42 David Imel? Picking ones.
34:43 Andrew Manganelli? Slow, cause I have one, name them, name and shame, Stickly Furniture. I, yeah, I've done the unsubscribe button in Gmail probably every other day for like the last two weeks and I'm still getting emails from them.
34:56 Speaker 05 Well, I had a few years ago, I had an idea to do a bonus episode of does the unsubscribe button even work? And basically the answer was very boring because I spoke with the superhuman CEO, which now got purchased by Grammarly, which changed its name to Superhuman.
35:08 Andrew Manganelli? Also might get Sherlock later in this episode.
35:11 Speaker 05 Yeah, but he was telling me that basically because of laws and stuff in different parts of the world, it comes down, there are laws. It comes down to the company that is running it to just do it correctly.
35:23 David Imel? Yeah.
35:24 Speaker 05 So it's like not a, yeah, like it's not a fun answer. It's just like, yeah, they just have to go do it or have something in place to do it, you know?
35:30 David Imel? I guarantee you that my local, like my favorite restaurant sends me like 20 emails a week and I keep hitting unsubscribe and they don't do it. And I want to be mad at them, but they are my favorite restaurant. So it's difficult.
35:41 Speaker 01 I have a snail version of this and I'm way off topic, but I have this like clean, this clean energy company that like sends me mail, sends me the same please switch to this clean energy source piece of physical mail every couple of weeks.
35:55 David Imel? Damn.
35:56 Speaker 01 And I have solar on my house. Like I don't need to do this. Like please stop asking. And I've, I've tried to get off this list. I've called them. I've sent mail. I've sent emails. I've tried. And I think the last time I tried, they're like, oh, it could take six to eight weeks to get you off the list. It's been months. I'm still on the list. I got one today. It's really.
36:14 Andrew Manganelli? Name it right now.
36:15 Speaker 01 It's just like clean energy, something, something. I'll find the name.
36:18 David Imel? Clean Energy Corporation.
36:20 Speaker 03 I still get a paper paste up.
36:23 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
36:23 Speaker 03 Every time I get paid here.
36:25 David Imel? We got one today.
36:26 Speaker 03 It's on my desk right now.
36:28 David Imel? Yeah.
36:29 Speaker 03 I have tried for a year to stop this.
36:32 David Imel? Damn.
36:33 Speaker 01 Clean Choice Energy, named and shamed. I got one today.
36:37 David Imel? That's like with Verizon. I have Fios and when you sign up, they start sending you paper mail and then you can say, I don't want to receive paper mail. And then you receive a paper mail saying, thanks for unsubscribing.
36:49 Andrew Manganelli? At least it's the last one. At least it's fine.
36:51 Speaker 01 So many companies do that.
36:52 David Imel? They say that and then they send you a bunch of brochures anyway.
36:55 Andrew Manganelli? I try and say like, if your crap ends up in my mailbox, I'm never, never using you ever. It's such a waste.
37:03 David Imel? Yeah. Yep. All right.
37:04 Speaker 05 Back to Apple.
37:05 David Imel? Yeah, back to Apple. Okay. Apple Maps got Gaussian splatting in Apple Maps.
37:09 Speaker 01 It looks a little better in their demo.
37:11 David Imel? Higher quality. Looks a little better.
37:12 Speaker 05 They keep saying Gaussian splatting. Isn't this just generative?
37:15 David Imel? No.
37:16 Speaker 05 They said that?
37:17 Speaker 03 Well, you can.
37:18 David Imel? No, yeah, it's.
37:18 Speaker 03 You can generate a Gaussian splat.
37:21 David Imel? Well, you can't. Well, not really. You have to take photos from a bunch of angles and then generate it.
37:26 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:27 David Imel? Yeah.
37:27 Speaker 03 Well, the Gaussian splat is just like you. You could train a model on a bunch of Gaussian splats and you could generate them. Which I'm sure they're doing some of.
37:34 David Imel? Yeah, but they're using mostly like satellite data and like flyover data and stuff.
37:38 Speaker 03 For maps, yeah.
37:39 David Imel? For maps.
37:39 Speaker 03 Yeah.
37:39 David Imel? Yeah. So it looks a little bit better. Uh, they now have para menopause and menopause tracking, which I know a lot about. Um, added to Apple Health. Uh, new CarPlay features, including video apps in CarPlay now, which I think got added to Android Auto pretty recently.
37:55 Speaker 01 Yes.
37:56 David Imel? They called.
37:56 Speaker 01 The new Android Auto has YouTube specifically.
37:59 David Imel? Yeah, YouTube. Is it still called Android Auto or do they change it to Google?
38:02 Andrew Manganelli? It's still Android Auto.
38:03 David Imel? Not for long.
38:03 Speaker 05 For now, yeah.
38:04 David Imel? It's gonna be Google Drive soon.
38:05 Speaker 03 Shit.
38:06 David Imel? Um, you can now share a one phone number between two iPhones.
38:10 Speaker 01 One phone number between two, and they're both getting data and voice and everything?
38:15 David Imel? I don't know about that. They said that the carrier has to support it, though.
38:19 Speaker 05 Why would you want to do this? I'm confused.
38:21 David Imel? I, I don't know.
38:22 Speaker 01 I could see doing the opposite, putting two different.
38:25 Andrew Manganelli? So your open claw can have its own phone?
38:27 David Imel? Well, you can do two different phone numbers.
38:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:30 Speaker 05 You joked, you're very.
38:32 David Imel? What'd you say? Wait, what'd you say?
38:33 Andrew Manganelli? So your, your open claw can have its own phone and.
38:36 David Imel? And call people?
38:37 Andrew Manganelli? Or, or take calls for you.
38:38 David Imel? Jeez, my agent's in the corner. Uh, I don't know. Someone made a joke that so you can have your iPhone Air for the weekend and your iPhone Pro for the weekday.
38:47 Andrew Manganelli? Marcus!
38:51 Andrew Manganelli? Marcus does switch the watches already.
38:54 David Imel? Hold on.
38:55 Speaker 03 Wait a minute.
38:56 David Imel? It's actually not terrible. I don't know, whatever.
38:58 Andrew Manganelli? So you can party in the back.
38:59 Speaker 01 Well, if I'm going to, if I'm going to Dub Dub, I need the Pro Max and then when I go back to regular.
39:03 David Imel? That's what I'm saying. I mean, I would love that because I love my Air.
39:06 Speaker 01 I might Google that later.
39:07 David Imel? Yeah.
39:08 Speaker 01 Okay.
39:09 David Imel? Um, they added independent alarms for, uh, independent volume for basically every volume.
39:14 Speaker 01 Finally.
39:15 David Imel? Thing on the phone.
39:16 Speaker 01 God. This is another thing. This is another thing. Like, when you ask iPhone users, like, what's the biggest annoyance with the iPhone? Almost at the top of everyone's list is, I just miss alarms sometimes because my alarm volume was zero because the last thing I watched, I turned the volume down. Like, it just doesn't work all the time.
39:31 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, when you wrote this, I thought you meant like. Individual alarms can have different, you just mean that there's like a separate volume slider for alarms, timers and all that?
39:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, the thing Android's had for decades.
39:43 Andrew Manganelli? I thought this was even further, like, I want this timer, I have set to be this volume, but this timer to be...
39:48 Speaker 01 There's always been a separate volume for like, media and like, alarm volume, but alarm volume encompassed alarms, timers, and like, every other little, small thing.
39:57 David Imel? Yeah.
39:58 Speaker 01 Which is insane.
39:58 David Imel? And they finally went and combed through the little things, and I'm glad that this was big enough to make it through that comb.
40:04 Speaker 01 Yes.
40:05 David Imel? Um, big deal, big deal, big deal, this one's really fun. Shortcuts, you can now just describe the shortcut you want in natural language and it'll make it for you.
40:13 Speaker 01 Good AI.
40:14 David Imel? Which is very cool. Um, we saw a bunch of demos of this, if you're a shortcuts fiend, this is gonna be cool for you.
40:20 Speaker 01 And it just builds it in the shortcuts editor, so you can edit it after the fact. So it builds it all, you can go in the editor and like, change stuff if you want.
40:26 David Imel? Yeah, and it'll sync to your Mac, and you can also share the shortcut with other people, so, pretty cool. Uh, overhaul dictation, supposedly powered by Gemini-powered dictation, so that should correct spelling, punctuation, capitalization, basically the dictation on iPhone should be way better.
40:42 Speaker 03 Is that out right now? Is that in iOS 27?
40:45 David Imel? That's in 27, yes.
40:46 Speaker 03 It doesn't, it doesn't feel any better.
40:48 Speaker 01 It's only better on the phones with 12 gigs of RAM. So the most advanced, improved on-device models are only on iPhone Air and iPhone 17 Pro.
41:00 David Imel? But is dictation in the advanced models?
41:02 Speaker 01 And dictation, and one other thing, are the, I was told, the only two things that are new in that, like, that super new, advanced, best on-device model.
41:14 David Imel? Wow.
41:14 Speaker 01 So if you don't have better dictation, it may be because that's one of the things that didn't make it, if you don't have 12 gigs of RAM.
41:20 David Imel? Strange.
41:20 Speaker 01 Are you on not one of those two phones?
41:22 Speaker 03 No, I have a 17 Pro.
41:23 Speaker 01 So it should be better.
41:24 David Imel? That's weird.
41:25 Speaker 03 It's not...
41:25 Speaker 01 Should be.
41:26 Speaker 03 It's not much better.
41:27 Speaker 01 Yeah. I can't tell.
41:29 Speaker 03 Up to.
41:29 Speaker 01 I haven't seen it yet, but I was like not super.
41:33 David Imel? Yeah, this is a kind of random one. You can now have subscription bundles in the App Store. So if you're a developer and you sell multiple apps, you can do a subscription bundle that comes with a bunch of your apps. You can also partner, do a little partnership with another developer and offer your app plus another developer's app for a bundle price.
41:51 Andrew Manganelli? It is a bundle price.
41:52 David Imel? It's a collab.
41:53 Speaker 01 It's a collab.
41:53 David Imel? Yeah, it's a collab.
41:54 Speaker 01 That's cool.
41:55 David Imel? Yeah, it's kind of cool.
41:58 David Imel? Yeah, okay.
41:58 Andrew Manganelli? Like a bundle of all the apps that are about to get Sherlocked from the virus.
42:02 David Imel? Please keep us alive bundle. You can now create calendar events with natural language. So you could just go into your calendar and say lunch with at Supernica with James at 3:00 P. M. And it'll add all the little details.
42:14 Speaker 01 Sherlock counter is now two. That's specifically fantastical. That's like one of the things a lot of these new calendar apps, a primary feature is that you can add things with natural language.
42:25 David Imel? Yeah.
42:26 Speaker 01 Add a repeating event and it just does it for you. There it is. Sherlock counter number two.
42:30 David Imel? Find my update, they should have added a long ass time ago and I don't know how they didn't. You can now, so they redesigned the Find My UI a little bit. That's fine. But the big thing is it used to be that you could only share your live location for one hour until the end of the day or indefinitely. You can now set custom amounts of time to share your location.
42:47 Speaker 01 Wow, that's nice.
42:49 David Imel? Yes.
42:49 Speaker 01 For my one week vacation.
42:50 David Imel? It is crazy that it took that long.
42:52 Speaker 01 Cool.
42:53 David Imel? You can now say, save any video frame as a photo. So if you stop in any video, you can just hit export as photo. That's something Android has had forever. So it's not major.
43:03 Andrew Manganelli? But it's nice.
43:04 David Imel? Something.
43:04 Andrew Manganelli? That's nice.
43:05 David Imel? Shared albums in Apple Photos now support full resolution photos. I did not even realize they didn't before. And Android and Windows users can also contribute photos now.
43:15 Andrew Manganelli? Could they really not before?
43:16 David Imel? Apparently not.
43:17 Andrew Manganelli? So funny.
43:17 Speaker 01 You just view it.
43:18 David Imel? Yeah.
43:19 Andrew Manganelli? I love shared albums. Ever since kids and having like nieces and nephews now, every single one of my nieces or nephews or children has a shared album with all the grandparents, all the uncles.
43:29 Speaker 05 I wonder who's gonna adopt this because same thing in my family, but we all use Google Photos.
43:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yep, we all use Google Photos.
43:35 Speaker 05 It's like, yeah, Google Photos is the default. So I guess now they have this, which is nice.
43:39 David Imel? Yeah, but you know, I don't know. Yeah. You can now also set photo albums to expire after a certain period of time. I wish you could just do this with group chats because I don't freaking want to be in another group chat for indefinitely.
43:50 Andrew Manganelli? Expire immediately.
43:52 David Imel? Expire. Yeah. Well, every time I make a temporary group chat, I name it going to destroy after event temporary.
43:59 Speaker 01 Nice.
44:00 David Imel? And then the three people.
44:00 Speaker 01 If you destroy it on your phone, does it destroy on everyone's phone? No, right?
44:03 David Imel? Um, probably not. You just leave it.
44:05 Andrew Manganelli? This group chat will self-destruct.
44:06 David Imel? Oh, you leave it. You leave it. Yeah.
44:08 Speaker 01 Smart.
44:08 David Imel? Uh, okay. The dual camera feature where you can record what is in front of you as well as your face is now available in FaceTime. I didn't realize this wasn't true before and it makes a lot of sense.
44:18 Andrew Manganelli? Hmm.
44:18 David Imel? So before in FaceTime, you had to just switch between your face and the thing that you were looking at, which was stupid. And it's very nice that you can actually, you know, do both at the same time now. I like that. When you pay with things online with Apple Pay, there is a much better UI now to select the card that you're using. Previously, and I've had to do this a million times, you, it's so complicated to like pick the right card because you have to scroll down to the bottom menu and then click like use different card, even though it was just a confusing UI before and they made it way better. So that's cool. They synced the step counts across the health and fitness apps. This was not synced before. It was annoying.
44:55 Speaker 01 So little things.
44:56 David Imel? Yeah. Health and fitness, like I think it was because like your Apple Watch and your phone like recorded different step amounts and they would get out of sync. And then if you opened the fitness app, it would show a different amount of steps than the health app sometimes. Like they were tracking steps differently, which is really dumb. So this is very much a snow leopard feature. Um, okay, this one's kind of cool. Call context, so this is like magic cue on the Pixel.
45:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
45:22 David Imel? When you call like an airline, it'll know that you're calling the airline, so it'll look through your email and pull up your confirmation number and put it on the screen.
45:30 Speaker 01 This one is cool if it works.
45:33 David Imel? Cool if it works.
45:33 Speaker 01 I can see lots of ways that it wouldn't work.
45:35 David Imel? Yes.
45:36 Andrew Manganelli? They also, at the end of it, if I remember correctly, had this weird way of saying like, "We're listening for the context, but we're not listening to the phone call."
45:44 David Imel? Yeah.
45:45 Andrew Manganelli? It was like a very like, "We're listening, but we're not listening. We're not listening. I promise we're not listening."
45:49 Speaker 01 It seems like they have to get the context somehow, and if you are calling the airline and you have a recent reservation from that airline, then that may be enough context for them to surface for latest.
46:01 Andrew Manganelli? You usually have like seven reservations though, so...
46:02 Speaker 01 That's why I think it would be tough. It might not work every time.
46:05 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. Might give you an old reservation number. So that was most of the major stuff with just the iPhone. Okay.
46:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
46:12 David Imel? Next, we got the Mac, and we finally got the new name for the Mac, and it is Golden Gate.
46:17 Speaker 01 Is that a state park? It is, right?
46:19 Andrew Manganelli? Another obscure reference. It's a bridge.
46:21 David Imel? What the hell is a Golden Gate? It's not a state park.
46:23 Speaker 01 It's typically been...
46:24 Andrew Manganelli? I think it is.
46:25 Speaker 01 So we had all the cats, leopards, no leopard.
46:27 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:28 Speaker 01 Tiger. Then we had places in California, but typically they were state parks.
46:33 David Imel? There's Golden Gate Canyon State Park, but it's about the bridge, though.
46:37 Andrew Manganelli? It's the bridge.
46:37 David Imel? The other ones...
46:38 Speaker 01 Is it now just landmarks?
46:39 David Imel? So we've broken out of state parks. I guess the other ones were state parks, because it was Yosemite. Well, that was National... Yosemite's a national park. Joshua Tree is a...
46:46 Andrew Manganelli? National park?
46:46 David Imel? National park. Big Sur is not a national park, that's a state park.
46:51 Speaker 01 We never got Joshua Tree.
46:52 David Imel? Yeah, we did. No, we didn't.
46:53 Speaker 01 No, we didn't.
46:54 David Imel? No, we didn't. How... We didn't do that yet?
46:56 Speaker 01 No.
46:56 David Imel? That's crazy.
46:57 Andrew Manganelli? Damn, that would have been a good one.
46:58 David Imel? Dude, all the Apple people getting high on ayahuasca and Joshua Tree, and they didn't even use it as a name for Mac OS.
47:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that's how they made that animation with Craig.
47:05 David Imel? Yeah, that's great.
47:05 Andrew Manganelli? And the hippie buzz.
47:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, the hippie buzz.
47:07 Andrew Manganelli? That was actually pretty funny.
47:08 David Imel? They lean into that.
47:09 Andrew Manganelli? That was a good one. I'll give them a lot of credit for that.
47:11 David Imel? I asked them straight up why they call it the crack marketing team, and they wouldn't give me an answer.
47:15 Speaker 01 It's... I think that's... I think that's just a Craig joke that he is just keeping alive by himself. That's my theory. Is he gets on stage and he's like, "Are you gonna say it again?" And he's like, "Yeah." And I'm like, "All right, we're using it."
47:26 David Imel? They just kept saying, "We like to have fun." So that was interesting.
47:31 Andrew Manganelli? Watch this rap.
47:32 David Imel? Anyway. macOS Golden Gate. Now, something we should say is that a lot of the features that came to the iPhone come to every other Apple platform.
47:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:41 David Imel? So the calendar.
47:41 Speaker 01 App opening, transparency slider, faster airdrop, all the stuff we were talking about.
47:46 David Imel? Yeah.
47:46 Speaker 01 Also here.
47:47 David Imel? Yeah, so these are gonna be truncated.
47:49 Speaker 01 Corner Radii.
47:50 David Imel? Corner Radii.
47:52 Andrew Manganelli? That's the name of this episode.
47:55 David Imel? macOS Corner Radii.
47:57 Speaker 01 There's a couple of cool things in Safari, I think that they did here.
47:59 David Imel? Yeah, totally.
48:00 Speaker 01 So one of them was, you can ask it, similar to building a Siri shortcut, you can ask it to build an extension, a Safari extension, to do a very specific thing.
48:09 David Imel? Yeah.
48:10 Speaker 01 And I got a demo of this and I watched and still you basically, in natural language, can type out or write out what you want it to do and it'll build that extension. If it sees an extension that is similar to what you're asking for, it will actually surface them.
48:22 David Imel? Yeah.
48:22 Speaker 01 So not a full-on Sherlock of every single extension. But it will still show you extensions.
48:27 Andrew Manganelli? Could you say, "I don't want to use that one, though, keep making it"?
48:30 David Imel? Yeah, totally. You can. Yes.
48:31 Andrew Manganelli? So then now it's Sherlock's. It went from not Sherlocking to Sherlocking literally anything you want.
48:36 David Imel? But it's more like, oh, something already exists that you could use.
48:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah. If it's just like, "Make me an extension to save bookmarks and rate recipes", it's like, "Well, okay, that exists. Like, that's a thing you can get here", and it'll actually do the nice thing and show you that.
48:48 David Imel? Yeah.
48:48 Speaker 01 But if you want to keep going, yeah, it'll make you an extension from scratch.
48:52 Andrew Manganelli? Build an extension to scroll past Google AI overview every time I search something.
48:58 David Imel? That might work.
48:59 Speaker 01 That is really cool, though, because I feel like a lot of my developer friends that will have an idea to build something will want to make a Chrome extension. Like, that is where their brain goes first. There's like a thriving developer community for Chrome extensions and not so much for Safari extensions. So this could be like a way to get people back building Safari.
49:16 David Imel? And I was gonna say about this, like, Apple is very good at taking things that people are doing outside of Apple ecosystem and then instead of being like, "We have a platform now that you can vibe code whatever you want", they're like, "In Safari. Now Safari supports vibe coding of Safari extensions."
49:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:33 David Imel? Instead of having like a nebulous terminal where you're like, "Code me a Chrome extension", you just say, "This is what I want to be able to do in my browser", and then it does it.
49:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
49:41 David Imel? Which I think is better for most people, probably. Yeah.
49:44 Speaker 01 There's a couple of other smart things there. It will, if you want it to, use AI to organize your tabs into tab groups based on topics. So if you have like, what does Harper have, 75 tabs open at any point? You can just kind of group them together into things that are related to each other. And then as you keep browsing, it'll keep sorting.
50:00 David Imel? They kind of ripped that from DIA, not gonna lie.
50:02 Speaker 01 There's a lot of browsers that do this now. I don't know if I call that a full-on Sherlock, but that is definitely taken from other browsers.
50:07 Speaker 05 Okay, wait, if you have 75 tabs open and it's auto-sorting them into tab groups?
50:13 Speaker 01 Yes.
50:13 Speaker 05 What if there's something that could be split between two tab groups?
50:16 Speaker 01 So.
50:16 Speaker 05 How do I find that as a user?
50:18 David Imel? Good question. We're not sure.
50:22 David Imel? Yeah, I think I asked someone like that, like, if I have two, because I asked them, like, how is it deciding how to group them? And I was like, if I, if there's a, if there's two Google Docs documents open and the contents of one Google Docs is about cats? And then I have a pet store page open. Is it gonna group the Google Doc with the cat pet store, with the pet store? Or is it gonna group the Google Doc with another Google Doc?
50:49 Speaker 01 Yeah.
50:50 David Imel? And they didn't really have an answer for me.
50:51 Andrew Manganelli? That's funny, because it's like, are you just matching Favacons? Or are you actually like reading the content of the page?
50:57 Speaker 05 Or like, you're looking up cats and you're also looking up Japan? And then you start looking up cats in Japan.
51:02 David Imel? Right.
51:03 Speaker 05 Where does it go?
51:04 David Imel? I don't know. They just go, alright, put them all back together.
51:06 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. It would be cool if the tab group had a reasoning, if you like right-click.
51:10 David Imel? If it gave you a reason?
51:11 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, of like why it chose that. Because it would be really funny.
51:14 Speaker 01 Somewhere in the code, yeah.
51:15 David Imel? Yeah, somewhere in the thinking.
51:16 Speaker 01 I don't know, in DIA, it's interesting because when I have tab groups, I don't make tab groups. But when I right-click and like open a new tab, a bunch of stuff, that creates a tab group. Because it knows I'm doing this tree of things and it keeps them together. So that's, I imagine there'll be animations that at least make it clear what is happening while it's happening.
51:31 David Imel? Yeah.
51:32 Speaker 01 So that's cool.
51:33 David Imel? Safari is also adding an ability to monitor a webpage for if it changes. So this, the common use case of this is obviously like concert tickets. But you can only have it checked once a day, which means you definitely cannot use it for scalping.
51:50 Speaker 01 Well, as...
51:51 David Imel? And you have to tell it when to check, I believe.
51:54 Andrew Manganelli? There was a different one, though, that was like using context. It could see, I guess it's kind of the same just because we're talking about concert tickets, but it was like, there's a lottery for this concert. And it's like, I think they took a screenshot of it and said, like, "Remind me when this lottery is opening," which was kind of cool and felt like a vast difference between I/O, where they're like, "I want to go to this concert, do everything for me."
52:17 David Imel? Yeah.
52:18 Andrew Manganelli? Siri's like, "I'll remind you when you can pay for it yourself."
52:21 David Imel? Yeah, and it's sort of just a, it's more of a little reminder tool than it is an agentic, like, "We're gonna completely get you the concert ticket." Yeah.
52:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
52:30 David Imel? So that might Sherlock something, to be honest, but it's not, probably not as powerful as some other extensions are. So maybe it's not quite Sherlock. The other major thing that they made a big deal about, the sidebars are now stretching to the screen edge.
52:43 Speaker 01 Huge.
52:44 David Imel? So, yeah, if you have like the Finder window open or something, it's basically just making better, it's taking more advantage of the screen real estate.
52:53 Speaker 01 Better use of space.
52:54 David Imel? Better use of space, unlike the HTC One Eleven.
52:57 Speaker 01 If you know, you know.
52:58 David Imel? If you know, you know. Okay, and then, oh yeah, the one big thing that they didn't ask about, that they didn't really mention, but I asked if there was anything that they didn't really mention. They said Mac OS is now much better at remembering the orientation of the screens you have plugged in.
53:15 Andrew Manganelli? This is like the biggest, this is...
53:16 David Imel? Actually huge.
53:17 Andrew Manganelli? They could have only said that and I would have stood up and clapped.
53:19 Speaker 01 This is, this is big. As a person who recently, like very recently, switched to being a laptop person who's plugging into multiple sets of monitors.
53:27 David Imel? Yeah.
53:27 Speaker 01 I am frequently annoyed by the jumbling of monitor windows that happens when I unplug the monitor and replug it back in. And they never go back to where they're supposed to.
53:35 David Imel? Yeah.
53:36 Speaker 01 Allegedly, they're gonna go back to where they're supposed to.
53:38 David Imel? Allegedly. I think, I think Windows announced that they had this like quite a while ago, so it's nice to see this on Mac. But they said it'll know if you're plugged into one screen, two screens, three screens, and then it'll, it'll just automatically, you know, it'll bound it when I set it up.
53:50 Speaker 01 Fire.
53:51 David Imel? Which is cool. iPadOS 27 gets everything that the iPhone got. There are some other strange improvements, like transferring files from an external drive to an iPad and vice versa is now five times faster than it was before.
54:04 Speaker 05 Wow.
54:05 David Imel? I'm not really sure what the roadblock was there previously.
54:08 Speaker 05 Only the Thunderbolt ones or all of them?
54:09 David Imel? I... It says up to, just like the AirDrop.
54:13 Speaker 05 Okay.
54:13 David Imel? So, who knows?
54:16 Speaker 05 Five times faster.
54:17 David Imel? Yeah. Other than that, it basically gets all the same improvements as the iPhone and then you also get sort of the Safari benefits that you're getting from the back. Apple Watch, they didn't change a lot here. We're gonna note as well, like, they didn't even have like an Apple Watch section really in the keynote and same with tvOS and also Home.
54:37 Speaker 05 And Vision Pro, yeah, because no one cares.
54:39 Andrew Manganelli? They showed a couple of Vision Pro things.
54:41 Speaker 05 They showed us floating Siri bar that three people are gonna use.
54:45 David Imel? I will have.
54:45 Andrew Manganelli? Should've been Finder guy.
54:46 David Imel? I am very excited about the Vision Pro, we'll get there. Apple Watch, they changed, they have this like dynamic app view now where when you press the digital crown, it shows your six most used apps first, instead of just bringing up all of the apps and then you can click into all of the apps after. That's basically the only change.
55:04 Speaker 05 There it is. WatchOS 27.
55:06 David Imel? WatchOS 27!
55:07 Speaker 05 There you're seeing it.
55:08 David Imel? Apparently there's a better Workout Buddy that has upgrades and better sleep tracking. You get the better Wi-Fi connectivity, faster music playback. If you click the music playback on the watch and it's playing from your phone, it'll apparently happen faster because the connection is better. There's better battery efficiency. However, this was a big deal. People were very upset about this. They dropped support for a lot of Apple Watches on this one. So on the keynote, they said it's only supported by Apple Watch Series 9... Series 10 and above, I think, which everyone was like, the Series 10 just came out.
55:40 Speaker 05 That's the last two generations.
55:42 David Imel? Yeah, last two generations.
55:43 Speaker 05 Yeah.
55:43 David Imel? But then, someone from Apple said, "We made a mistake on the keynote. It's actually Series 9 and above," which is still only the last three generations.
55:50 Andrew Manganelli? And I checked online and they... It does say that now. It at least says Series 9, because I was like, this is something that you can tell us is wrong, but until it's showing up somewhere and it is changed.
55:59 David Imel? Yeah. It's still kinda surprising that, you know, Apple Watch Ultra 1 does not have support for WatchOS 27, which is kinda crazy, the SE 2. Yeah, very weird. Okay, Vision Pro.
56:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
56:13 David Imel? This was the David update.
56:14 Andrew Manganelli? There it is.
56:15 David Imel? No, this was the David update.
56:16 Speaker 01 Vision OS 27.
56:18 David Imel? Vision OS 27, baby.
56:19 Speaker 01 Oh, this is, I did, yeah, I did mention.
56:22 David Imel? Yeah.
56:22 Speaker 01 I thought, as soon as they announced this, I was like, oh, David's gonna do that.
56:25 David Imel? Yes, I am.
56:26 Speaker 01 So what are you gonna do on Vision Pro, David?
56:27 David Imel? The major change in Vision Pro, besides all the, you know, Wi-Fi speed, whatever, who cares about Wi-Fi speed? I don't care about Wi-Fi.
56:33 Speaker 01 You guys remember Vision Pro?
56:34 David Imel? You can get rid of the Wi-Fi, I'm still excited about this feature. So now, on Vision Pro, there's a feature, where you, there was always a feature where you could spatialize photos, right? Now, you can spatialize panoramas, that's not something they had access to before, and, and, in the Vision Pro, there's a thing called Environments, and they had them built into the Vision Pro, where you could like turn the digital crown and you would slowly blend into these beautiful worlds that were handpicked by Apple, they were hand-scanned by Apple with these special cameras. No, no, no, no, no, you can use your own panoramas as Environments now.
57:06 Speaker 01 So to be clear, before, on the Vision Pro, I looked it up, there was exactly six Environments.
57:12 David Imel? Yeah.
57:13 Speaker 01 So when you like shut down the transparency and like go into one of those worlds, you could either be in Yosemite, Mount Hood.
57:20 Andrew Manganelli? This is where Joshua Tree is.
57:21 Speaker 01 Maui, Joshua Tree, White Sands, and the moon. That's it.
57:26 Andrew Manganelli? All California.
57:28 David Imel? The moon is also California.
57:29 Speaker 01 And the moon, yeah, California.
57:30 Speaker 03 Well, the soundstage isn't.
57:31 David Imel? On my website, I offer 60 different Environments, so Apple, uh, Apple, if you wanna buy them from me, you can.
57:40 Andrew Manganelli? Apple was like, how do we get Waveform to talk about Vision Pro?
57:42 David Imel? That's probably what happened.
57:43 Andrew Manganelli? That was exactly why I added that.
57:44 Speaker 01 And they nailed that.
57:45 David Imel? They also couldn't really make a ton of updates to Vision Pro, because the guy that used to head up the Vision Pro is now the head of Siri, and so that's why Vision Pro is kind of like spiraling at the moment.
57:55 Speaker 01 King of, nevermind. Things that people don't use very much.
57:59 David Imel? Uh, but there is like, there is, we're gonna talk about Siri in a bit, but there is a floating Siri orb now that you can interact with, uh, that's just always there.
58:07 Andrew Manganelli? This is my favorite thing they announced, period.
58:11 David Imel? What?
58:11 Andrew Manganelli? In the whole.
58:12 David Imel? The floating, the floating Siri orb?
58:13 Andrew Manganelli? The floating Siri orb.
58:14 David Imel? And the fact that you can move it around?
58:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yep. It should've been Finder Guy.
58:18 David Imel? It should've been, but it's not going to be, and I'm okay with it.
58:20 Andrew Manganelli? Imagine him like popping.
58:21 David Imel? But the cool thing about the Siri. You don't want another Clippy, you know, like.
58:23 Andrew Manganelli? No! Exactly what I want.
58:26 Speaker 01 You want to create memes.
58:27 Speaker 05 He does want another Clippy.
58:29 David Imel? You know the Palantir orb in Lord of the Rings, not Palantir, the missile company?
58:34 Speaker 05 The same thing.
58:35 Speaker 01 Lord of the Rings evil guy?
58:36 David Imel? Yeah. Do you know the Palantir orb in Lord of the Rings?
58:39 Speaker 01 No.
58:40 David Imel? Okay, well, it's the thing that they like can look into, they basically teleports you to a different place and you can like look around at it. That's why they call that Palantir, because it's like we're spying on everyone on the planet. And I wish I was joking. But, uh, anyway, that's basically what the Siri orb looks like. You like look at it and then suddenly you have magic access.
59:00 Speaker 05 I just want my digital assistant to be that orb. I think that is genius.
59:05 David Imel? Yeah.
59:05 Speaker 05 Put it everywhere.
59:07 David Imel? Other interesting things about Vision Pro, you can now like look at things in your real environment and just like ask Siri about them.
59:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, they circled search.
59:15 David Imel? Circle search, but in the real world.
59:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:17 David Imel? And, and there's new, there's a new app kit for Safari so that you can make 3D environments inside of Safari. So if you're in Safari in Vision Pro, you can tap a little thing and then it envelops you in the entire environment.
59:29 Speaker 01 They also added Iceland. Yeah, we can take Marcus to Iceland.
59:32 David Imel? You know, I also offer Iceland. I also offer Iceland environment, just so you know.
59:37 Speaker 01 So.
59:37 David Imel? And they're probably better.
59:38 Speaker 01 Does Google.
59:39 Andrew Manganelli? Enjoy the Apple lawyers on that one.
59:41 David Imel? Iceland, yeah. Iceland, okay. Okay, we're basically done with the hardware because tvOS didn't really get upgraded. The HomePod, they just forgot existed, I think because
59:52 Speaker 01 Didn't mention it once.
59:53 David Imel? It cannot run any of the Siri stuff because it just doesn't have any RAM.
59:56 Speaker 01 Isn't that crazy? The Siri box doesn't do the new Siri? And everyone who's bought a HomePod, by the way, all the, all the $400 HomePods out there and the HomePod Mini's and all those, they're not gonna get the new Siri. So everyone who's sort of bought into, like the people who are most likely to accidentally use Siri once in a while are not gonna see these improvements.
1:00:18 Speaker 05 Doesn't the iPhone 16 not even have the new Siri?
1:00:22 Speaker 01 No, they'll have the new Siri, just won't have the most advanced on device models, which is like the couple of small things like the notation or dictation. But, uh, yeah, the Siri box doesn't get better Siri.
1:00:31 David Imel? To be fair, the original HomePod came out in 2018, so they were not thinking about this.
1:00:34 Speaker 01 It's still like, I bought my Google Home Assistant in like 2018 or whatever, and that has a new assistant. That just got updated this year.
1:00:41 David Imel? But that's all cloud-based, whereas Apple is like, we're taking your personal context from your local stuff.
1:00:47 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:00:48 David Imel? Yeah.
1:00:49 Speaker 01 So yeah. One thing as well, we didn't notice, we didn't know earlier is that on the iPhone, like when you update, there's now this persistent notification in your settings that's just like indexing and progress. Yeah, it's a big deal. And we'll talk about Siri, so we might get to this in the next section, but this is a big part of what makes Siri the new Siri. Yeah. Is it's going to have way more personal context. It will index all of your stuff. It may take some time to do that, but when it's done, it'll be worth it. Yeah. There's a few small last minute things. AirPods now have customizable EQ. Oh, thank God.
1:01:20 Andrew Manganelli? Rufus cheered out loud during that.
1:01:22 Speaker 03 Finally. It's, it's years over date. I can't believe it took this long. It's so, yeah, no, this is should be, this should have been a feature that came with them like in AirPods one 10 years ago.
1:01:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:34 Speaker 03 And it's, it's ridiculous that it hasn't had it forever. And it's a little disappointing that it's only three bands because.
1:01:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:41 Speaker 03 That's $3,000? No. Yeah. It's so expensive.
1:01:45 Speaker 01 Why does it use the word? Is it just high, medium, low? That's it? That was?
1:01:48 Speaker 03 Yep. Yeah. You have high, high, high end, mid.
1:01:51 Speaker 01 I'll take what we can get. I'll take it.
1:01:53 Speaker 05 I have a question about this.
1:01:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:01:55 Speaker 05 Because isn't the whole point of AirPods Pro and AirPods and stuff that it has the adaptive EQ that will like adjust to your ears and hearing? So why even have this?
1:02:03 Speaker 01 So yes, and that was basically their, their argument the entire time. And I think if you asked if Ellis was here, he'd be fuming about how things don't sound like other things. I can feel that. But like, yes, Apple's AirPods are computers in your ears and they're constantly adapting to sounding differently all the time based on your environment and based on what's playing. And so the EQ theoretically is also not like other EQs. It will, it will generally, it'll generally affect what you're listening to, but not in a precise scientific way. I still think that's fine. I'm glad to have the customization. It's about time. Every time I review earbuds, I always talk about how they sound out the box, but also eh, this kind of doesn't matter that much because you can make them sound the way they want to. Yeah. But I've never been able to say that about AirPods. Now I can. That's true.
1:02:48 Speaker 01 I hope it's for all AirPods. Some people think that the AirPods Pro 2 sound better than the AirPods Pro 3. Exactly.
1:02:53 Speaker 03 I have one of them.
1:02:54 Speaker 01 And that was a balance thing. And ideally this is what you can use to dial that bass back a little bit and actually make it sound the way you want.
1:03:00 Speaker 03 You can have your AirPods 2 again.
1:03:01 Speaker 01 I have a much, I have a much more granular critique that I will spare our dear viewers. Take it. But.
1:03:07 David Imel? No, I want to hear it.
1:03:08 Speaker 03 You want to hear it?
1:03:09 David Imel? Yeah.
1:03:09 Andrew Manganelli? Speedrun.
1:03:10 Speaker 03 So when I listen to noises on my AirPods Pro 3, which I did buy and I still have, they're sitting on my desk in case they ever get firmware updated. When I type on a keyboard, I have this little resonance in like somewhere between 600 and 2000 Hz. That's like bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Every time I'm typing, it feels a little thocky. And I just don't really like that. It's just annoying. Every time I get in a car and I close the door, it sounds like a bomb goes off in my ear.
1:03:37 David Imel? That's actually very common.
1:03:39 Speaker 03 Yeah, Pro 3s do that all over the place. The Pro 2s never did it. I don't know what changed. And sometimes I feel like the noise cancelling is so... It's really good, but it's so powerful that I'm like, I've just alienated from my environment. It's just uncomfortable and I don't like it. And just overall, the sound of the Pro 2s is... It feels a little more balanced. I feel like the Pro 3s have like a sharp, high-end, like the high mid-range can get sharper, but that's a three-band EQ, isn't going to solve that. And I just still use my Pro 2s, even though I have three on my desk.
1:04:22 Speaker 03 I have the Pro 3s on my desk and I only ever use the Pro 2s because they just like are the ones that I don't hate. I also won't be using the EQ with them because I am so used to the way the Pro 2s sound.
1:04:32 David Imel? Yeah.
1:04:32 Speaker 03 I use them to listen to so much material. That's like how I check everything I ever mix. I'm not changing that for anything. Like that is my... I know what that sounds like really well. I'm not...
1:04:42 David Imel? I've heard from a few people that the Pro 2s sound better than the Pro 3.
1:04:45 Speaker 03 I do.
1:04:45 David Imel? And I'll just trust you guys because I'm not the audio master.
1:04:47 Speaker 05 Rufus, how do you feel about frequency response charts?
1:04:50 Speaker 03 I, you know...
1:04:51 Andrew Manganelli? Cut it off.
1:04:52 David Imel? Cut them off.
1:04:53 Speaker 03 I don't have too much to say about that.
1:04:56 David Imel? Good.
1:04:56 Speaker 01 And that is a good place to take a quick break.
1:04:59 David Imel? Yeah.
1:04:59 Speaker 01 Because we got plenty more to talk about with Siri. And also, we have a dad here, so we can talk about parental controls. Because I want thoughts. But before we do that, trivia.
1:05:15 Speaker 01 I'm gonna add this in post, but were you paying attention? Of course I was paying attention. Of course you were. So you know that in the Siri AI section, a notification popped up that said the Golden Gate Bridge is painted in a color officially known as... Oh. What? Oh, I did see that. Oh, what did it say?
1:05:32 Andrew Manganelli? I remember the obvious color part.
1:05:34 Speaker 01 Oh, I do know it. Oh, yes.
1:05:36 Andrew Manganelli? I don't remember the specific adjective.
1:05:38 Speaker 01 I remember that. Well, I watched it. Okay, yeah, I'm writing this down.
1:05:41 Andrew Manganelli? I was surprised by it. It's not what I expected.
1:05:44 David Imel? It's not what you think. It's like Mermaid Tail or something.
1:05:49 David Imel? They would.
1:05:50 Speaker 01 Dang, you know what's funny? Because when you do the "were you paying attention" clips, typically I'm a mix of paying attention. I'm paying close attention sometimes, but I'm also live tweeting.
1:06:00 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:00 Speaker 01 And I'm also taking pictures. And so a lot of times I'll see something and I'll go, "Wow, that's really interesting." And I'll take a picture and I'll write it in my notes and I'll live tweet it. And then I'll look up and people are applauding. And I definitely just missed something. I missed something for sure.
1:06:13 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:14 Speaker 01 So, uh, all right, I'm glad I got that one.
1:06:16 David Imel? Yeah, okay.
1:06:18 Speaker 01 Yes.
1:06:18 David Imel? Well, we'll get back to Daddy after the break.
1:06:21 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:06:25 Speaker 01 Should we keep that?
1:06:26 David Imel? Yeah, because if you want, I don't know.
1:06:27 Speaker 01 All right, let's keep that. Yeah.
1:06:28 David Imel? I'm talking about Andrew, by the way.
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1:09:48 Andrew Manganelli? All right, we're back. More Dub Dub. Something I was pretty, even though this is, you know, my kids are not old enough to really be doing parental controls. Lane does not have an iPhone. I'm keeping her on Android right now. But, um, so there's
1:10:03 David Imel? How old is she?
1:10:04 Andrew Manganelli? She has two.
1:10:08 Andrew Manganelli? A bunch of new parental controls, which I think, first of all, they did all of this because next they're going to talk about AI. So they wanted to be like, look at us. We're safe. We're private. Applaud us. Then we're going to talk about AI, which you're way more skeptical about. And two, just because these are important and so many more kids have phones. And ultimately with all the announcements they did in this, I think the biggest thing they did was the redesign of setting up child accounts, which is like just a much easier setup process to be able to include all of these new restrictions and screen time and everything. So they added a new child's account, which one thing they did was if you have a regular account already on one of you, for one of your kids, you can convert those accounts back to this new children's account.
1:10:53 Andrew Manganelli? There's a new setup assistant that I just mentioned. Some of them are like pre-made groups. One was just called like Essentials Only, which has like FaceTime, phone, messages, maps and settings. Like those are the only apps you are allowed. And then one thing they also announced in that is being able to gradually allow apps after you already do the setup process with the phones you're setting up, which is cool. One of the ways that can happen is whether it's through the App Store or I guess apps on your phones, kids can request to be able to use apps or download apps with their parents. So like, Even in this spot right now, we've had parental controls on computers and phones and everything. They're just trickier to set up. This is like a much more granular
1:11:37 Andrew Manganelli? practice of it. So you can start it off totally locked down. You know, like I got my first smartphone, or sorry, my first phone when I was in seventh grade.
1:11:47 Speaker 01 Old.
1:11:48 Andrew Manganelli? Because, yes. And it was because I started playing sports and there was a kid in our school who got, or a different school that got left behind at a school and the parents couldn't find them. So my mom was like, you need a way to contact me.
1:12:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:00 Andrew Manganelli? We're gonna do this, even though you're probably too young to have a phone.
1:12:02 Speaker 01 That kid is still traumatized from that. Probably. Cause you started playing sports and your mom wanted to bet on FanDuel. We never found him.
1:12:09 Andrew Manganelli? I have no, he's gone. Maybe listening out there somewhere.
1:12:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:12:12 Andrew Manganelli? But, um, so like, lock them down. You can call me in an emergency. That's really all you should be able to do first. Okay. Now you're showing you're more responsible. You can open up this or that. Uh, so I think that's a cool way of doing it. There's also the browser website request. So you can just request to visit different websites, depending on how locked down you are.
1:12:31 Speaker 01 Polly market.
1:12:33 Andrew Manganelli? If you're a parent and get that Kalshi request.
1:12:35 Speaker 01 You get the Kalshi request?
1:12:38 Speaker 01 That's hilarious.
1:12:40 Andrew Manganelli? So I really like that idea of kids being, asking for approval. They also have a new screen time redesign, which does a bunch of different things. It lists groups or apps in like different categories and you can adjust allowances based on the categories or based on times of day, which is awesome because you can really limit screen time during school hours.
1:13:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. Pretty specifically.
1:13:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:13:04 Speaker 01 Like you can request, like you can use apps out of school hours more freely, but if you're in school, you better not be on Instagram, bro.
1:13:13 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Or really on your phone at all.
1:13:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
1:13:16 Andrew Manganelli? And so, and then I do think it has, uh, inside the settings, a way to adjust allowances kind of like on the fly. So I'm sure whether your kid was bad or good, you can then change allowances based on that. Like, oh, you did great on your test. You can have 30 more minutes of YouTube tonight. Like, that's probably a pretty cool way of.
1:13:35 Speaker 01 That would've been huge for me. 30 more minutes of Kalshi. She baby.
1:13:37 David Imel? Is that gonna be your parenting style?
1:13:39 Andrew Manganelli? Mine?
1:13:40 David Imel? Yeah.
1:13:40 Andrew Manganelli? She's never gonna have a phone?
1:13:41 David Imel? Really?
1:13:42 Andrew Manganelli? No, she'll have a phone for sure. But like, just thinking about.
1:13:46 Speaker 01 You may need an AI pen, because you can't do anything.
1:13:49 David Imel? I think straight to smart glasses is a move, yeah.
1:13:51 Andrew Manganelli? Straight to smart glasses?
1:13:53 David Imel? Straight to AI glasses.
1:13:54 Speaker 03 Well, the glasses will be the paradigm by the time she's old enough to have.
1:13:56 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, sure.
1:13:57 David Imel? Won't even need a phone.
1:13:57 Andrew Manganelli? I do think about it all the time of like, the [BLEEP] I got away with as a kid.
1:14:01 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:01 Andrew Manganelli? And how my kids will not be able to get away with anything. I will know pretty much everything that happens.
1:14:07 Speaker 01 That's what we think, but it's because the new generation will be getting away with different stuff.
1:14:12 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, well, new generations don't have a dad who's on a tech podcast that knows all the [BLEEP] that I can do, so they're screwed. Sorry, guys.
1:14:18 Speaker 03 Do you know what your kids are doing in the metaverse?
1:14:21 Andrew Manganelli? They won't be in the metaverse.
1:14:22 Speaker 03 How do you know? How will you know?
1:14:23 Andrew Manganelli? Because the metaverse already is given up on by Meta.
1:14:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, but the ner- but they're gonna be in Neuralink.
1:14:29 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, gosh.
1:14:30 Speaker 01 They're gonna be trading on CalShea.
1:14:31 Speaker 03 Yeah, I don't know what my kids are thinking about.
1:14:33 Speaker 01 No.
1:14:33 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:14:35 Speaker 01 Unfortunately, but the computer does.
1:14:36 David Imel? Elon Musk does.
1:14:38 Andrew Manganelli? One question I had for you guys who had.
1:14:41 Speaker 01 No kids.
1:14:41 Andrew Manganelli? Went through.
1:14:43 David Imel? Thirty-one years old? Unmarried?
1:14:46 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, that's.
1:14:47 David Imel? Childless tech man?
1:14:51 Andrew Manganelli? So they're doing a thing where you can also approve new contacts in apps. They just called it where FaceTime messages, phone are pretty obvious. Do you know if it extends into other apps? Because the contacts that I would be the most worried about are Roblox, are WhatsApp, are a little more online-y things. And I don't know if they even would be able to do that, but they first just said contacts and apps. And I was like, in the online video game world, that's where the predators are. That's where I want my kids requesting.
1:15:19 Speaker 01 I do think that is, for a long time, been the challenge of a lot of these tools, is you can restrict which apps they do or don't have access to. But then, once you go into those apps, the content in the apps is kind of like, if you just give them YouTube. YouTube is all of the stuff on YouTube. So I think that's, that's more of like a high level control of like, once they're in that app, it's everything that comes with that app.
1:15:41 David Imel? Remember during the Epic and Google trial, they had like a three day long disposition on what a game is. So I don't think.
1:15:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it probably won't, but that would be something.
1:15:51 Speaker 05 I mean, they did add the like age API thing that developers could implement. So that's like maybe one indicator of how they're looking at doing this kind of stuff.
1:16:00 Andrew Manganelli? It all is pretty cool. I like how granular it is. And I just really think the most important thing here is how easy it is to set up for parents. So parents will just actually use it.
1:16:11 David Imel? And Apple launched a dedicated website for parents to actually learn how to use this, which is helpful. Again, I think that these features are like super important. I also think that most parents don't know they exist. So any way that Apple can get out, even Google, Apple, whoever's making these parental control features, like to bring awareness to these things, I think that's very, very important. They should have a setup. Yeah. But they will say like, when you do set up an iPhone, there is a, I'm setting this up for someone else. And then it asks, is it a kid? And then I think they probably give you some sort of setup flow for like parental controls. So.
1:16:46 Speaker 01 And their age and all that.
1:16:47 David Imel? Yeah. So that's great.
1:16:49 Speaker 01 I was in my briefing for this with a bunch of parents and they loved this part of the briefing.
1:16:56 Andrew Manganelli? I'm so happy I don't have to deal with it yet. I've got a few years.
1:16:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, there were people, I guess most of them were actively trying to do some sort of like parental controls with the existing tools and the, the requests that they had were basically all solved by these new sets of tools. So that was cool.
1:17:11 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just imagining me with my phone up and being like, Lane, clean up your toys. And I have this slider for like YouTube allowance like right here. And she's watching it tick down as she's not doing what I want.
1:17:21 David Imel? Yeah. No Roblox for you?
1:17:22 Speaker 01 My other read on this, which was, I don't know, this is just the way I think about tech companies, but it's just like, get your kid an iPhone.
1:17:29 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:30 Speaker 01 Get your kid an iPhone. Because you have all these tools and it'll be super great. And also when the kid gets used to the iPhone super, super early, they are much more likely to continue to buy iPhones as they grow up.
1:17:39 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:40 Speaker 01 And we know the story of, yeah, we know. The story of the iPhone in the US is like, kids just want iPhones. So
1:17:46 David Imel? Yeah.
1:17:46 Speaker 01 Now you have a good reason to get them.
1:17:47 David Imel? Get your mom an iPhone.
1:17:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:17:49 David Imel? Get your kid an iPhone.
1:17:50 Speaker 01 So that's that.
1:17:51 David Imel? Biggest, baddest, most anticipated two-year wait of all time, bigger than Avengers Endgame. It's Siri and Siri AI, which is just Siri with another name.
1:18:03 Speaker 01 So the new Siri.
1:18:04 David Imel? Be back.
1:18:05 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:18:06 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:06 Speaker 01 At a high level.
1:18:08 David Imel? Yeah.
1:18:09 Speaker 01 I feel that the new Siri is not that crazy. It is about what we expected, as far as capabilities, anyway. The thing that Apple always does when they introduce a new thing, especially if it's in a new product category, is they make it the thing that works with the iPhone and the rest of the ecosystem really well. So you have other AI tools, especially large language models that you can use. You've been able to get Gemini on your iPhone and Claude and ChatGPT. What is the thing about Siri that would make you even try to use it when you already have those things? Well, it's the one that can plug deeply into your, your personal context and the stuff that's on your iPhone. Okay, great. What does that mean?
1:18:49 Speaker 01 That means it can read your iMessages, it can look at your calendar, it can see things that were in your group chats and your notes and your email because it's on your phone. And it can actually search through that stuff. It's indexed very, very specifically. And can even take some actions on your behalf, mostly just by digging into apps. It can send messages for you. It can add calendar events, reminders, notes, all using those like first-party Apple apps. My immediate question, seeing all of that stuff was, well, what if I don't use all those Apple apps, right? I, I, obviously you can use iMessage, but what if I use WhatsApp? What if I use Google Calendar? What if I use Spotify? What if I use a different podcast app? Is this stuff gonna work?
1:19:31 Speaker 01 Anyway, the idea is if you have a specific app that you want it to use for requests, like if I have, say, Pocket Casts that I want it to open podcasts with, if I ever go, "Hey Siri," which, sorry for triggering all of your series. If I ever say that and go, "What is that podcast that Kevin recommended a week ago? Can you play that?" It'll go search through your iMessage, find the podcast and play it by default.
1:19:55 David Imel? And it'll just play away for him. If it's a supported app.
1:19:58 Speaker 01 It'll play it. It'll play it by default in Apple Podcasts. But if I ask for it to play in Pocket Casts and the developer has enabled that, then it should work.
1:20:06 David Imel? You can go into the default apps section, and there are default app. For email messaging, calling, call filtering, browser, translation, passwords.
1:20:15 Speaker 01 But that's for clicks, not for Siri.
1:20:17 David Imel? I think Siri will access these as well.
1:20:20 Speaker 01 Really?
1:20:20 David Imel? So if I say, let's see, let's try this, because I just changed my default email app to Gmail.
1:20:25 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:20:26 David Imel? Hey Siri, send an email to Adam Melina telling him he needs to pick me up. Oh, it just died.
1:20:34 Speaker 01 It's a bug.
1:20:34 David Imel? Let's try again.
1:20:35 Speaker 01 It's beta software.
1:20:36 David Imel? Send an email to Adam Melina telling him to pick me up milk after work.
1:20:39 Speaker 01 Got you fam.
1:20:40 David Imel? All right. Yeah, yeah, it didn't do Gmail. But it did say pick up milk after work, except for my iPhone.
1:20:48 Speaker 01 And it did Apple Mail?
1:20:49 David Imel? It did Apple.
1:20:49 Speaker 01 Okay, so that's my suspicion. So we'll see how that works and we'll see.
1:20:53 David Imel? Wait, let me ask.
1:20:54 Speaker 01 Well, it composed it and then you can.
1:20:55 David Imel? Let me ask, let me ask to do Gmail.
1:20:58 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:20:59 David Imel? Hey Siri, send an email with Gmail telling Adam Melina to pick me up milk after work.
1:21:06 Andrew Manganelli? Is obviously not as quick outside of its own app.
1:21:09 David Imel? Yeah, that's true.
1:21:10 Andrew Manganelli? Didn't, well, while that's loading, wasn't there something that in order to not set off anyone's Siri's during the event? That they like broadcast?
1:21:19 David Imel? Allegedly.
1:21:20 Speaker 01 They cut certain frequencies that I guess were in the S and whatever other letter made it easy to identify the word Siri.
1:21:28 David Imel? I want to try it out.
1:21:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:21:30 David Imel? This beta software is really taking its time.
1:21:33 Andrew Manganelli? I think the Siri loading icon, which is like six dots spinning around, should have been the beach ball. It would have been.
1:21:42 David Imel? Beep it out.
1:21:42 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
1:21:44 David Imel? Adam at Melina dot com.
1:21:47 David Imel? It still opened Apple, Apple Mail.
1:21:50 Andrew Manganelli? After all.
1:21:51 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't, yeah, you can't do it.
1:21:54 Speaker 01 So, not right now. As an iPhone user, like many others, who use things like Google Calendar and not Apple Calendar? Who use things like Tic Tic and not Apple Reminders, et cetera, et cetera. I wonder how much of this stuff will work or be feasible to use.
1:22:11 David Imel? I'm now sad because yeah, that kind of, yeah, because. Google Maps, I use Google Maps, I use Gmail, I use Pocket Casts.
1:22:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:22:19 David Imel? I don't want to use only Apple apps.
1:22:21 Speaker 01 There's lots of developers at that keynote that make alternatives to Apple's apps.
1:22:25 David Imel? Yes.
1:22:25 Speaker 05 But I would imagine they would still have to implement this, right? Like, not all of these features have been built into Gmail yet.
1:22:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. True. Maybe there are updates to these apps coming that will support, and then this will work flawlessly.
1:22:38 David Imel? Technically, yeah. I think Apple basically said that the developers have to support. It wasn't App Clips, it was App Intents.
1:22:45 Speaker 01 App Intents, yeah.
1:22:46 David Imel? Which is a thing that they've had for a while now, but apparently Google has just not really supported them in a lot of Google apps. Because they have that little micro war, which is really annoying, even if they both pay each other like a billion dollars.
1:22:57 Speaker 01 And also.
1:22:57 David Imel? Web server financing.
1:22:58 Speaker 01 The other thing is like, how much of it is going to be on the device? Because I know like iMessage, it knows all my iMessages.
1:23:04 David Imel? Okay.
1:23:04 Speaker 01 But what about my Google Calendar? It's not, that's not all on my phone.
1:23:08 David Imel? It's kind of nebulous. They did go into detail about the different models and how much they access the cloud versus how much they'd happen on-device. They didn't say what apps can do on-device versus what can't. I know that there was a rumor going around that even in setting a timer would hit the private cloud compute server. But I asked someone at Apple about this, and they were like, "It'll get worked out." The things that can happen on the iPhone should just happen on the iPhone without having to leave. So there's five, there's five models. And this is a little bit confusing. It's not actually using Gemini allegedly. Apple says that they, they are licensing a 1 trillion, 1.2 trillion parameter Gemini model
1:23:53 David Imel? for about a billion a year as a teacher for the Apple Foundation models. It sounds like they're building their own foundation models by basically distilling Gemini answers.
1:24:03 Speaker 01 Siri got a tutor.
1:24:05 David Imel? Kind of. It's a tutor.
1:24:06 Speaker 01 It's a private tutor.
1:24:07 David Imel? They're building their own models based on their own data sets, is what they said. But they're using Gemini to sort of like, teach their model how to be a model. I don't understand any of this.
1:24:16 Speaker 01 If I was a car company, and I had a billion-dollar-a-year partnership with another car company.
1:24:22 David Imel? Yeah.
1:24:23 Speaker 01 And I was going to make my own car, but I was going to use that partnership to have the other car company teach me how to build a car.
1:24:30 David Imel? Toyota.
1:24:31 Speaker 01 You would end up with a car that looks and works and acts a lot like the one you're getting tutored from. But you'd be able to technically say.
1:24:40 David Imel? Correct.
1:24:41 Speaker 01 That it's not a copy.
1:24:44 David Imel? They did say they use their own data sets, so that's something.
1:24:48 Speaker 01 Yeah, we used our own tires and our own materials. I have no idea how to put them together.
1:24:52 David Imel? Right.
1:24:52 Speaker 01 But I have the blueprint of a Toyota Prius.
1:24:55 David Imel? Yes.
1:24:55 Speaker 01 And so when I put these things together, using the instructions from the Prius.
1:24:59 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:00 Speaker 01 It's probably gonna end up looking like the Prius.
1:25:02 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:02 Speaker 01 But it's not Toyota's tires, it's my tires.
1:25:05 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:05 Speaker 01 So don't you call it a Toyota car.
1:25:07 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:08 Speaker 01 Okay?
1:25:08 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:09 Speaker 01 That's how Craig kinda said it.
1:25:10 David Imel? Sounds a lot like distillation.
1:25:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:25:12 Andrew Manganelli? Do you think for a billion a year, they just, now they only pay nineteen billion dollars to Apple to be the, uh?
1:25:17 David Imel? The default.
1:25:18 Andrew Manganelli? Search engine?
1:25:18 David Imel? Search engine, yeah. There's, there's a lot of back and forth financing going on.
1:25:22 Andrew Manganelli? Discount on the receipt after.
1:25:23 David Imel? So there's five main models. There's two on-device models. There's AFM3 Core, which is Apple Foundation Model 3 Core. That happens for a very simple task. It's a three billion parameter model. That should be able to do things like setting a timer, et cetera. AFM3 Core Advanced, which is their most advanced on-device model, which has twenty billion parameters, but it kinda uses the like mixture of experts technique, where it only accesses between one to four billion parameters at a time to actually do stuff. So I believe that's the one that can only work on the like iPhone Pro and like the latest one that won't work on the regular iPhone 16 or iPhone 50 Pro, et cetera.
1:25:59 Andrew Manganelli? The one built from the ground up?
1:26:00 David Imel? Built for Apple Intelligence. You guys who bought that iPhone that was built for Apple Intelligence better get your ninety-five dollars now. Uh, and then there's three private cloud compute models. There's AFM3 Cloud, which is heavier cloud requests, which I assume is just stuff that the local model can handle. AFM3 Cloud Image, which is, sounds like a distillation or some form of version of Nano Banana that is Apple's version of Nano Banana. And then there's AFM3 Cloud Pro, um, which is their heaviest tool. They specifically called out that it uses Google Cloud infrastructure and it specifically called out that it uses Nvidia GPUs.
1:26:37 Speaker 01 Is this the one you think that we'll go through and unsubscribe if you do that?
1:26:42 David Imel? Like the agentic stuff?
1:26:43 Speaker 05 Agentic stuff, yeah. Or not unsubscribe, change your passwords.
1:26:45 David Imel? Change your passwords?
1:26:46 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:26:46 David Imel? Oh. Maybe. I don't know.
1:26:49 Speaker 05 That seems like complex.
1:26:50 David Imel? Which ones they're gonna need Nvidia GPUs for, or if they just did that because there's some weird payment going on between Nvidia. I have no idea.
1:26:58 Speaker 05 It feels weird because like the most, like that is a very privacy centered thing, which I would assume would go through their private stuff. But they're saying the heavier stuff like that would be through.
1:27:08 David Imel? There was some murkiness because they were saying all of the cloud models are through private cloud compute. But then some people were saying that the most hardcore one that uses Google Cloud infrastructure, they said it still has the benefits of private cloud compute. And they were very specific about that verbiage.
1:27:25 Speaker 05 Yeah, because Google made their own version of it, basically.
1:27:27 David Imel? I get, that's probably what it is.
1:27:29 Speaker 05 Are just being routed through Google servers.
1:27:31 David Imel? Probably what it is.
1:27:32 Speaker 05 But then they wouldn't say it's only on Apple servers. Like, I feel like Apple still wouldn't do that.
1:27:36 David Imel? Yeah.
1:27:37 Speaker 05 I don't know. It's all very.
1:27:38 David Imel? It's all too nebulous and we don't want to make any big claims.
1:27:41 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:27:41 David Imel? Um, okay. I think that we should get down to what Siri actually does. Because there's three main pillars of what Google or what Apple is saying that Siri can actually do. So there's personal context, which is Siri can draw from all your personal apps, like messages, Google Photos, email and calendar to take actions for you. So you can say like, hey Siri, when's mom's flight landing? And because it had news you have a contact called mom and it can search through your messages. And she texted you when her flight is landing, it'll just tell you and that's helpful. There's on-screen awareness, which is Siri being able to analyze what's on your screen. It's basically circle search. Um, it can add things to your calendar. It can, you can ask it things about the things that are on your screen, et cetera.
1:28:23 David Imel? And then there's in-app actions, which is where Siri can perform and chain tasks together across tasks. So if you pull a photo into an email or you make a schedule based on your notes, that's where it's manipulating your apps for you.
1:28:36 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:28:38 David Imel? To do this, they now also have a dedicated Siri app.
1:28:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, so all of your apps, all of your devices are gonna get this Siri app. And it's essentially like a memory bank for all the things that you've been asking Siri. So obviously, if you use any of these others, you've seen like the sidebar of all your previous queries. This isn't 100% of your queries, because you might just ask Siri what the weather is and doesn't want to save everything. But it's the things that are, you know, a little more context, you might want to come back to them. It's all your memories and it will sync across devices. So you can pick up where you left off from one request or one conversation to the next.
1:29:11 David Imel? Yeah.
1:29:12 Speaker 01 And this little hub where all your Siri stuff will be.
1:29:15 David Imel? And there's, there's an interesting interface on the iPhone specifically, but I'm sure you can do it on other computers as well. Where when you ask Siri a question, it will give you like a high level answer. But then you can pull down the little orb that kind of pops up and it'll, it'll just sort of like fluidly open the app.
1:29:32 Andrew Manganelli? It'll splat open.
1:29:33 David Imel? Splato, yeah. It'll Gaussian splat. It doesn't feel like it's opening an app, but it's sort of just like this extension of itself, but it is the app.
1:29:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Something strange about how black the background is of it.
1:29:46 David Imel? Yeah.
1:29:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's just like.
1:29:47 David Imel? It's a very basic looking.
1:29:48 Andrew Manganelli? Cause it looks like a dynamic island pops open, but then it looks like the dynamic island just takes over your whole screen, except for a little bit of transparency at the bottom. And it's just black, white text.
1:29:58 Speaker 01 I kind of liked it. So I had one thing that I really liked and one thing I really didn't like.
1:30:01 David Imel? Okay.
1:30:01 Speaker 01 The thing that I really liked was the way it seems to, it, it comes out of the dynamic island and then you can extend it. And it just seems to always act like an overlay. So I thought that that visual consistency of it always just happening on top of whatever you're doing makes sense. That's the same thing like Gemini will do. If you want to show it stuff on your screen, it always feels like it's on top. So I thought that visually that made a lot of sense. And that's the same on the Mac and the iPad. It always looks like a little window. The thing I didn't love, and it's subtle, but I think it makes a big difference for confidence using it is it doesn't transcribe what you're saying visually as you're talking. It just listens and shows a little orb and then when you're done talking. Boom, that's the text that you just inputted. And it's a little thing, but when it shows the text as I'm talking,
1:30:46 Speaker 01 which like the rest of, like Google especially does this really well. That gives me a good sense of like, okay, it's understanding what I'm saying. And here's what it has so far. And here's the rest of what I want to say.
1:30:55 David Imel? Yeah.
1:30:55 Speaker 01 I wish it, I wish it did that.
1:30:56 David Imel? Yeah.
1:30:57 Andrew Manganelli? Cause if you say something really long, but it doesn't get it right in the beginning. Now you've said the whole thing, but all of that could be wrong because of the first sentence. Where if you see it in live, you can be like, oh, no, no, no.
1:31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, I can start over. Yeah. So that, that's a little thing that I wish they did differently. Maybe they will. There's still time to update the software.
1:31:14 David Imel? Yeah.
1:31:15 Speaker 01 Uh, but yeah, it does seem like it's sort of over, always an overlay mode.
1:31:18 David Imel? Yeah.
1:31:19 Speaker 01 Happening on top of whatever you were just doing on your phone.
1:31:21 David Imel? Yeah. Have you messed with Siri at all and tried to get it to do edge cases and stuff yet?
1:31:25 Speaker 01 No, I'm updating my, my Pro right now. That's what I'm going to be beta testing on. Cause I wanted it on my main device. So all of this for me is just from keynote and from hands on. I got at Apple Park.
1:31:35 David Imel? Yeah. I had a couple delightful experiences with Siri where I didn't expect it to work and it did.
1:31:40 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:31:41 David Imel? And I have, I had a couple where it just utterly failed.
1:31:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:31:44 David Imel? Um, as is classic, but one that was really surprising to me. So I was, uh, the way that these events work is we get, we get briefing schedules before the keynote. But the, but on the schedule, it'll be like 1pm to 2pm. It just says briefing because they want you to know like what to prepare for, but not like what specifically to prepare for, because you haven't seen the keynote yet. Then you go to the keynote and then you've learned everything. And then they give you another briefing schedule that tells you what the actual briefing is about.
1:32:13 Speaker 01 Unmasks the names of the briefing.
1:32:14 David Imel? Yeah. So I had been referencing my briefing email like all day to make sure I was like making it to my briefings on time. And it got really annoying because I had to keep searching my email like a bunch of times. It was like, oh, this is an interesting Siri dynamic. So I was like, hey Siri, can you make a note of my WWDC briefing schedule? And it did it just in, it was like, here you go. And it, so it pulled it out of my email, but it pulled out the original schedule. So it just said briefing.
1:32:43 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:32:44 David Imel? So I said, hey, can you actually update that with the most recent one that gives more details? And then it did that.
1:32:49 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:32:50 David Imel? And it was cool.
1:32:51 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:32:51 David Imel? And I was like, damn, that actually worked. Then I said, actually, can you add this to my email or to my calendar? And it added the first two to my calendar. And then I said, can you add the other three to my calendar? And it added two more to my calendar. I said, can you add the last one to my calendar? And then it finally added the last one. So there's weird chunks. And then also it only added it to my Apple calendar and I can't get it to my Google.
1:33:15 Speaker 01 That's what I expected.
1:33:16 David Imel? This is the problem. That's the main problem.
1:33:19 Speaker 05 A part of me wants to just go all in on Apple's ecosystem.
1:33:23 David Imel? Oh, this is what it's designed to do.
1:33:25 Speaker 01 This is what they want.
1:33:27 David Imel? We got him.
1:33:28 Speaker 01 You're the last person that could even do this, man.
1:33:30 Speaker 05 Listen, it's for science. I like jumping between things just to see.
1:33:33 Speaker 01 Look, the golden gates of this walled garden are so shiny. If you are, if you are just entirely in Apple walls.
1:33:41 David Imel? Everything works.
1:33:42 Speaker 01 Dude, it's awesome.
1:33:43 Speaker 05 But right now I'm in Google's golden gate bridge.
1:33:46 Speaker 01 And that's fine. And if you use Gemini, it's all going to be great. Looking your email, looking your Google Calendar, just always looking through all your stuff. But if you do, if you do the Apple thing, it will use Apple reminders. It will use Apple podcasts, it will use Apple Calendar, you use iMessage. You'll do all the stuff you want because that's all the services you use.
1:34:02 David Imel? Right.
1:34:03 Speaker 01 And that sounds pretty nice. But don't, don't, don't let yourself become that person. Because they haven't shrunk everything yet.
1:34:10 David Imel? Yeah, so we're, we're obviously still in the very early testing stages of Siri. I tried it again with another thing, like I was heading towards the airport, but I had some time for dinner. And I wanted a burrito, but I wanted to sit outside, but I wanted to be on a back patio. So I was like, this is awesome. So I just gave it a million different parameters of this query and it did find me some places. One of them was not Mexican, but most of them were. So I, you know.
1:34:35 Speaker 01 This is what's going to happen.
1:34:36 David Imel? We're getting there.
1:34:37 Speaker 01 Everyone's going to have to start testing this stuff and using it. And it's either going to work all the time in ways that are surprising and great. Or, and this is what I think is more likely to happen, is people are going to try to push it to its limits and try to ask it to do more and more interesting things. Because remember, every time something new comes out, people try to break it.
1:34:54 David Imel? Yeah.
1:34:54 Speaker 01 All the way back to Bing, like people are just trying to break it and it's going to fail. And I wonder what it's going to look like slash act like slash say when it fails. How does it fail? Does it confidently get things wrong? Or does it just go, hey, I can't do that? That'll Be what we start seeing in videos and how we judge if it's actually capable or good or not.
1:35:11 David Imel? One thing, so I kind of, I ran into that because I asked it, what time does my flight board? Because I don't think that's necessarily something that it tells you in the email, but I was like, maybe you can find that information anyway. So I asked it and it went around forever. It was like, and eventually it came back with, I can't tell you the exact time, however, most flights board about 40 minutes before. So that's something.
1:35:35 Speaker 01 Unless you're Marcos.
1:35:36 David Imel? Or you're going internationally, which they want you to board an hour before. So I, I mean, at least it wasn't just, I can't help with that, which was the entire Siri experience before this.
1:35:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:35:46 David Imel? Hey, set a timer. I can't help with that. What did you say?
1:35:49 Andrew Manganelli? And now it's just even longer saying, I can't help with that.
1:35:52 David Imel? And it takes someone else for sure. Yeah. Really quickly, on the Mac, when you're using Siri, they built into Spotlight. So that's a cool interaction.
1:35:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:35:59 David Imel? Paradigm. So.
1:36:00 Speaker 01 Raycast, be careful.
1:36:01 David Imel? It's basically.
1:36:03 Speaker 01 Be careful.
1:36:03 David Imel? Careful.
1:36:04 Speaker 01 I haven't put up the third finger yet for the Sherlock, but it's close.
1:36:08 David Imel? So when you use your command space to use Spotlight, not only Spotlight way faster and way faster at finding files, because that indexing stuff we talked about earlier, but now if it detects that it's a question or an action that it can take, there's a do this with Siri button and it's cool. And then also in the screenshot tool, which is Command Shift four or Command Shift five, there's a Siri option now too, where you can basically circle the search on your screen and take action with it, add it to your calendar, do stuff like that. That's really cool. And then there's a dedicated Siri app on the, on the Mac as well. So.
1:36:37 Speaker 01 And the floating orb on Vision Pro.
1:36:39 David Imel? The floating orb.
1:36:40 Speaker 01 Adam's favorite.
1:36:40 David Imel? Yeah, the Palantir orb.
1:36:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:36:43 David Imel? Yeah. So that's practically it. There's some weird things. It's not going to be Siri on the iPhone is not going to be available in the EU or China for now because of DMA stuff, but it is available on the Mac in the EU because their thing only covers smartphones and not computers.
1:37:00 Speaker 01 And it's English only, right?
1:37:01 David Imel? And it's English only for now as well. You can also now customize Siri's voice and change the expressiveness and speed.
1:37:11 David Imel? It's definitely not a leading class voice model. I'm going to be honest.
1:37:14 Speaker 01 Heard some samples.
1:37:16 David Imel? It's not terrible.
1:37:17 Speaker 01 Sounds all right.
1:37:18 David Imel? It sounds all right.
1:37:19 Speaker 01 Sounds all right.
1:37:20 David Imel? Yeah.
1:37:20 Speaker 01 I'll definitely be testing all this stuff, reviewing it, obviously when the time comes. Definitely get subscribed. If you guys have any questions, you're listening to this, you want to know, like if I try to do something, if it works or not, leave that down below. I want to know what you want to see if it's capable of or not.
1:37:34 David Imel? Yes.
1:37:35 Speaker 01 Well.
1:37:35 Andrew Manganelli? That's fun.
1:37:35 Speaker 01 That was Dub Dub. What's the question? We did it. Oh, yeah. Trivia time.
1:37:46 Speaker 01 I have question. So when Apple were demonstrating the features of the new Siri AI in Vision Pro, they gave us a demonstration of a user looking at a backpack they were thinking about buying for a trip, and they asked, does this backpack fit on my flight? Where was that flight going?
1:38:05 David Imel? Damn, that's so specific.
1:38:07 Andrew Manganelli? Is it bad that I remembered the website they were using for the backpack?
1:38:09 Speaker 01 I remember everything else about it.
1:38:10 David Imel? I remember what the backpack looks like.
1:38:12 Speaker 01 And like the boots. I remember the boots, and they said, do the boots fit? And it said, yes, but just barely. I remember everything else.
1:38:16 David Imel? Those are the boots they had in real life, right?
1:38:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:38:18 David Imel? They're like, would they fit in the backpack?
1:38:19 Speaker 01 They had real boots, and they asked if it would fit in the backpack.
1:38:21 David Imel? That's interesting.
1:38:21 Speaker 01 That was on the website. Where were they going?
1:38:22 David Imel? Totally realistic scenario.
1:38:24 Speaker 01 But where is the flight going?
1:38:27 David Imel? I have a random thought, but it's not probably right.
1:38:30 Speaker 01 Damn.
1:38:31 David Imel? Yeah, I'll figure it out.
1:38:32 Andrew Manganelli? They'll fit, but it'll be tight.
1:38:35 Speaker 01 Well, let's find out after the break.
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1:40:41 Andrew Manganelli? Welcome back. This is the dub dub episode, but we're going to talk about nostalgia.
1:40:44 David Imel? Gaming.
1:40:44 Andrew Manganelli? Run really quick. I just want to say it. The Xbox 25th Anniversary Xbox Series X25 in transparent green.
1:40:56 Andrew Manganelli? They're calling it the Xbox Series X25. But the way I rewrote this like three times because I was so confused. The ROG Ally.
1:41:04 David Imel? You said Xbox like four times. Xbox X25, Xbox Series X.
1:41:09 Andrew Manganelli? She green, she transparent, she pretty.
1:41:13 David Imel? I feel like she's more translucent.
1:41:14 Speaker 01 This is nostalgia?
1:41:15 Andrew Manganelli? This is nostalgia. There was like an old Xbox.
1:41:18 David Imel? Yeah.
1:41:19 Andrew Manganelli? Limited.
1:41:19 David Imel? Gotcha.
1:41:20 Andrew Manganelli? I really thought it was like a Master Chief Edition, but I might be wrong about that, but.
1:41:23 Speaker 01 I already did that.
1:41:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. That was a different one. Yeah.
1:41:27 David Imel? It's fine.
1:41:28 Andrew Manganelli? It's so good, though.
1:41:29 David Imel? It looks nice.
1:41:29 Andrew Manganelli? It's nostalgia.
1:41:30 Speaker 01 It does look nice if I played it. As someone who has never seen the actual old Xbox that it's based on?
1:41:36 Andrew Manganelli? This looks cool.
1:41:37 David Imel? What?
1:41:37 Andrew Manganelli? I like it. Yeah.
1:41:39 David Imel? Ever seen?
1:41:39 Andrew Manganelli? I had to show them the green one this morning.
1:41:41 Speaker 01 Old Xboxes, but they're all black.
1:41:42 David Imel? He's never seen the clear.
1:41:44 Speaker 01 I've never seen whatever this is referencing, but it looks, it looks cool.
1:41:48 David Imel? Okay, I have a quick rant about Ocarina of Time.
1:41:51 Speaker 05 And then I have a quick rant, but go on.
1:41:53 David Imel? Why didn't I bring my Ocarina?
1:41:54 Speaker 05 I didn't put this into doc, so it'll be a surprise for everyone.
1:41:56 David Imel? I should have brought my Ocarina and just played you Song of Storms.
1:41:59 Speaker 05 I was debating asking you to bring it in, but I.
1:42:01 David Imel? Well, I flew directly from Dub Dub, but I'll play it next.
1:42:04 Andrew Manganelli? You didn't bring it to Dub Dub with you?
1:42:05 David Imel? Yeah, that'd be cool. I'll play it next week. Nintendo announced a remaster again. They have remastered Star Fox and Ocarina of Time like four times each.
1:42:14 Speaker 05 Oh, God.
1:42:16 David Imel? Ocarina of Time and Star, okay. There's a scene in the trailer. They just showed a trailer and they only showed what Link looked like and then like what the intro looked like, but they didn't show any gameplay. But Nintendo now is going for hyper realism, which is just the thing that Nintendo never did.
1:42:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:42:34 David Imel? And it's, in my opinion, a horrible idea because the amount of Zelda games that they've made and they just do different art styles and it's always really interesting and cool when they switch up the art style. But now, I don't know if you guys have ever seen those like Mario, but if it was made in Unreal Engine, like fan videos. And they look ridiculous. Like they've been making those for the last like 10 years and they look like, they can look kind of cool, but you can't have hyper realism and timelessness at the same time because those graphics will always become outdated. Whereas if you go with cartoon and cel shaded and something that never was made to look realistic anyway, it is timeless.
1:43:15 David Imel? Like, like Wind Waker, as Zelda Wind Waker, always gonna look amazing because it's cel shaded. Anyway, Ocarina of Time is my favorite game of all time and I just really feel like they massacred my boy.
1:43:24 Andrew Manganelli? This, this video of him in like pretty realistic kind of just looks like, do you remember Polly Pockets?
1:43:31 David Imel? The link.
1:43:32 Andrew Manganelli? He looks like a Polly Pocket in this. It's like. Yeah.
1:43:36 Speaker 01 I'll reserve judgment for when we actually see gameplay, but Link.
1:43:41 Andrew Manganelli? It is weird to just show.
1:43:43 Speaker 01 Guys, you can, you can vote with your wallets. You don't have to keep buying the same game.
1:43:47 David Imel? Disagree.
1:43:47 Speaker 01 You don't have to.
1:43:48 Andrew Manganelli? Do you have a free order for backyard baseball?
1:43:49 Speaker 01 No. No.
1:43:51 David Imel? Yeah.
1:43:51 Speaker 01 No, you, if you, look, backyard baseball is gonna be the same game as well, but it'll have online multiplayer, so that's new. If the only thing that's new is, cause you said remastered.
1:44:00 David Imel? Yeah.
1:44:00 Speaker 01 Is it the same game, just higher quality?
1:44:02 David Imel? But it's not, like, for the 3DS, they basically just put like a, like a, like a sharpening shader on the original game.
1:44:10 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:44:11 David Imel? But for this one, they're like making all new assets. I mean, it's supposed to be.
1:44:16 Speaker 01 When you say new, you mean old but better looking.
1:44:19 David Imel? But redone, like.
1:44:20 Speaker 01 The same characters, but drawn again.
1:44:23 David Imel? Differently.
1:44:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's my point.
1:44:25 David Imel? Yeah.
1:44:26 Speaker 01 Just don't buy it.
1:44:27 David Imel? I prob- I won't. I probably won't. I don't buy all these games. I didn't buy Star.
1:44:32 Speaker 01 I guess my angle is if you do buy it, if you do buy it, this will be confirmation for the companies that it works and they'll do it again.
1:44:38 David Imel? Yeah, I know what you're saying.
1:44:39 Andrew Manganelli? It clearly works. They keep doing it.
1:44:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:44:41 David Imel? Hollywood.
1:44:41 Speaker 01 They're gonna keep doing it. Anyway, I just wanna say they massacred my boy and Nintendo needs to stop doing hyper realism.
1:44:47 Speaker 05 And speaking of Nintendo and hyper realism, they somehow got the trailer for Kingdom Hearts IV. And I am so excited for this, for this game to come out. And there was already a trailer three years ago and then radio silence. And now there's another trailer. So we'll see how long it takes until the next trailer.
1:45:03 Speaker 01 I've always been surprised that they can just be like Soul Calibur, but Mickey Mouse, and that's popular, but.
1:45:08 Speaker 05 Exactly. And Donald Duck, don't forget Donald.
1:45:10 Speaker 01 Go off King and Goofy. Love it.
1:45:12 Speaker 05 Sora was in Smash, so.
1:45:14 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:45:14 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Maybe Lane and I can play this.
1:45:18 Speaker 01 Maybe.
1:45:18 Speaker 05 Kingdom Hearts? You should play the first 13 games just so you really understand the story.
1:45:22 Andrew Manganelli? 13? You just said four.
1:45:23 Speaker 01 Well, they have like 2.5 and then 2.5. They do have remastered.
1:45:28 Andrew Manganelli? Last season.
1:45:29 Speaker 01 They have multiple remasters.
1:45:30 Speaker 05 You should watch just a YouTube supercut on the story, cause there's like a bunch of story that happens only in like mobile games that were specifically released in Japan and that's like actually canon to the actual gameplay.
1:45:41 Andrew Manganelli? Does he ever find the door? That he's trying to unlock with that big key?
1:45:45 Speaker 05 No spoilers, cuz that is.
1:45:49 David Imel? He does carry that key around.
1:45:51 Speaker 05 Great game, great story. It's insane, it's an insane story that everyone should know cuz it's amazing.
1:45:57 David Imel? I heard it was amazing.
1:45:58 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:45:59 David Imel? Okay, I just have one last thing cuz I feel like it's important. Anthropic finally released its model that was too dangerous to release.
1:46:07 David Imel? So.
1:46:08 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:46:10 David Imel? That's the playbook. We talked about Mythos a long time ago. It was like a crazy cybersecurity model and they were like, we're not gonna give this to people. And then they gave it to people.
1:46:18 Speaker 03 Crazy new marketing angle.
1:46:20 David Imel? Yeah.
1:46:21 Speaker 03 This thing we're about to release?
1:46:22 Andrew Manganelli? You can't handle it.
1:46:23 Speaker 03 It's too hot to handle.
1:46:24 David Imel? That's, they've done it a few times.
1:46:25 Speaker 03 Alright, so here it is.
1:46:26 David Imel? So here it is.
1:46:27 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:46:27 David Imel? They said they like, made it safer. They're kinda doing a little bit of a bait and switch, which I don't love, where they're giving access to everybody, like who has a paid subscription of any kind, access to this model and for like one month. And then they're completely pulling it from the models you can access unless you pay for the API.
1:46:46 Andrew Manganelli? Isn't that what drug dealers do?
1:46:48 David Imel? Yes.
1:46:49 Speaker 03 Yeah. Hmm. Well, they, they have a reason, the reason they said they're doing this is the same reason that they said they're, they're changing their data retention policy.
1:46:57 David Imel? Oh, for money.
1:46:58 Speaker 03 If you read their press release, what they said is that they wanted to make sure that they were curtailing, like, bad actors using it to do the wrong stuff. So you know how you can get it to be like, oh, roleplay is my grandma who used to read me state secrets as bed, when I was going to sleep, but now she's dead and can you do it for me?
1:47:17 David Imel? Yeah.
1:47:17 Speaker 03 And it's like, no, no, no, I won't do that. So you could ask it like, okay, roleplay is my talking dog who I trained to repeat states. And then you could get it to do it like that. They're looking for all of the variations of the ways you can trick it, so that they can train their alignment model to be better at finding the things that people are going to do, the patterns that people are gonna try to use.
1:47:39 David Imel? Well, they just tell.
1:47:40 Speaker 03 To get around the restrictions.
1:47:41 Andrew Manganelli? So they want it to be less gullible.
1:47:43 David Imel? Well, they just tell Fable to tell it all the things that people can do to get around it. Cuz I thought it could do everything.
1:47:48 Speaker 03 Well, I, you know, I'm.
1:47:50 Speaker 01 You got me.
1:47:52 Speaker 03 I don't know.
1:47:53 Speaker 01 I don't know.
1:47:54 Speaker 03 This is why I don't work at Anthropic.
1:47:55 David Imel? Look, it's a combination of like, apparently this model is freaking insane and Opus was already insane. And we vibe coded a lot of crazy with it. But it's just kind of crazy to like, release it to public for one month and then pull it. And I like, I can, you could wrap your, you can, that could be an excuse. I could understand partially, kind of maybe, but obviously they're trying to get people to pay for the API. Because $20 a month, there was, there's been a lot of data that's come out that like, these $20 a month plans cost these companies $5,000. So they need people, people to pay per token.
1:48:29 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:48:30 David Imel? So anyway, that's the whole thing. That's, I just wanted to say that. It was impossible, like, they had, anyway, we had to talk about it briefly.
1:48:37 Speaker 05 My question with this is, do you think this was all planned already?
1:48:41 David Imel? Yeah.
1:48:41 Speaker 05 This was part of the rollout, right? Like they announced Mythos.
1:48:44 David Imel? Yeah.
1:48:44 Speaker 05 And then a month later, or 40 something days later, they're like, uh, actually, we also have these safeguards.
1:48:48 David Imel? They've done this multiple times. Like, this is like the second or third time that they've been like, it's too dangerous to release this to the public. And then they released it to the public.
1:48:56 Speaker 05 Money, please.
1:48:57 David Imel? Money, please. Yeah, because the economy is going to crash pretty soon after the SpaceX IPO and the Anthropic IPO and the OpenAI IPO.
1:49:03 Speaker 03 They need the money now.
1:49:04 David Imel? Uh, by the way, on the same day as Dub Dub, uh, OpenAI filed two confidentially, um, IPO, which was not that confidential.
1:49:11 Speaker 05 Yeah, do these companies know what confidential means? Because we keep hearing about it.
1:49:15 Speaker 01 It's not going to be confidential if you just file, right? That's like.
1:49:18 David Imel? Yeah, but then they say that they did it.
1:49:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:49:20 David Imel? Oh, yeah, I don't know.
1:49:22 Speaker 05 Is it confidentially or confidently?
1:49:25 David Imel? Both. I also think it's cool that Apple and ChatGPT are breaking up a little bit. They haven't officially broken up.
1:49:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, that, that whole thing where you could like, you'd ask Siri a question and it would go, you mind if I ask ChatGPT this question? It doesn't necessarily need to do that anymore.
1:49:42 David Imel? Yeah. So that's nice.
1:49:43 Speaker 01 So that's cool.
1:49:44 David Imel? Yeah. All right. I know that we're running low on time.
1:49:48 Speaker 01 It's time.
1:49:51 David Imel? For trivia.
1:49:54 Speaker 01 That was nice.
1:49:55 Speaker 05 Trivia, dude.
1:49:57 Speaker 01 You have marker?
1:49:57 Speaker 05 So.
1:49:58 Speaker 01 I do.
1:49:58 Speaker 05 Points. Marquez, 26. Andrew, 25. David, 31.
1:50:05 Speaker 01 Hey.
1:50:06 Speaker 05 First question. In the Siri AI section, a notification popped up that said, "The Golden Gate Bridge is painted in a color officially known as..." What?
1:50:17 Speaker 01 Sure did.
1:50:18 David Imel? Tim Cook.
1:50:19 Speaker 01 I can't believe I remember this. This is one of those...
1:50:22 Speaker 05 If you get this right, I will be shocked.
1:50:24 Speaker 01 This is maybe the most specific thing you could ask me that I remember reading the notification, and I'm pretty sure I haven't.
1:50:30 Speaker 05 That's crazy.
1:50:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50:31 Speaker 05 We'll see.
1:50:31 Andrew Manganelli? Reading the notification?
1:50:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, like the notification.
1:50:34 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, like...
1:50:34 Speaker 01 On the screen.
1:50:35 Andrew Manganelli? Well, because the other question's about a no... Oh, no, it's about a destination.
1:50:38 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:50:39 Andrew Manganelli? Just kidding.
1:50:40 Speaker 05 Is it the journey or the destination?
1:50:43 Speaker 05 Flip them and read. What do you got?
1:50:46 David Imel? Oh, I think you're right, Marquez.
1:50:49 Speaker 01 I remember it saying it was painted in this international orange, which is like this universal color of like, high contrast or whatever, that they use for the... The button on your Apple Watch Ultra.
1:51:00 David Imel? Oh.
1:51:02 Speaker 05 Correct!
1:51:03 Speaker 01 The Apple Watch Ultra button is the same color as the Golden Gate Bridge? It didn't age the same, but...
1:51:07 Speaker 05 That's true.
1:51:07 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I mean, that hasn't been around as long as the Golden Gate Bridge.
1:51:10 Speaker 01 Exactly.
1:51:11 Speaker 05 Oh, like international.
1:51:11 Andrew Manganelli? I knew it was orange, so I wrote Nixon 5.
1:51:15 Speaker 01 Nice.
1:51:16 Speaker 05 Correct!
1:51:17 Andrew Manganelli? That'll be really funny, because there's a game tonight, and we don't know.
1:51:20 Speaker 05 I won't give him the game. Uh, I won't give him the point. All right. David, what'd you say?
1:51:23 David Imel? I wrote California poppy.
1:51:25 Andrew Manganelli? Did you say correct?
1:51:26 Speaker 05 Good guess. Yeah, I was saying correct. I was gonna give you the point, but then David yelled.
1:51:29 David Imel? Because he also agrees that it's Nixon 5.
1:51:31 Speaker 05 It's Nixon 4.
1:51:32 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
1:51:33 Speaker 05 They already swept. We just live in an alternate reality.
1:51:35 David Imel? Okay.
1:51:37 Speaker 05 All right, next question.
1:51:38 David Imel? Nixon 4.
1:51:39 Speaker 01 Where is the flight to? Okay, somewhere you go hiking, I guess.
1:51:43 Speaker 05 Wait, what's the question again?
1:51:43 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:51:44 Speaker 03 When demonstrating new Siri AI functionality in Vision Pro, they showed us a person going on a trip somewhere and checking if their backpack would fit in the overhead bin of a flight. Where were they going?
1:51:59 Speaker 05 Cupertino.
1:52:02 David Imel? Little Bear. Big Bear Lake. Big Bear Lake, which we were wrong about.
1:52:11 David Imel? I'm okay with Golden Gate. I like- New Jersey. Golden Gate-
1:52:13 Speaker 01 This is tough for me because I was just in an airport where I was reading lots of abbreviations for different airports, and that's in my head right now, and I can't think of anything else.
1:52:23 David Imel? Atlanta.
1:52:24 Speaker 01 I learned a lot of new airport city codes yesterday.
1:52:26 Andrew Manganelli? Name all of them.
1:52:28 David Imel? Oh, you like airports? Alright, what do we got?
1:52:32 Speaker 01 I said Patagonia. For fun.
1:52:35 David Imel? I wish.
1:52:36 Andrew Manganelli? I said Rocky Mountain.
1:52:38 Speaker 01 I said Norway.
1:52:40 Andrew Manganelli? It was international, right?
1:52:41 Speaker 01 It was international. They were going to Iceland.
1:52:46 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, right. I did know that. I remember that, because yeah.
1:52:50 David Imel? That's the Vision Pro environment. Wait, why would he have to go on that trip if he just has the Vision Pro environment?
1:52:56 Andrew Manganelli? He wants to wear his boots in Vision Pro.
1:52:58 David Imel? He can already do that. He wears boots and just uses the Vision Pro and being in the environment.
1:53:02 Andrew Manganelli? It was an REI backpack or was it La Sportiva boots? Like, I'm remembering all this stupid stuff.
1:53:09 Speaker 03 The first iteration of this question was gonna ask what the backpack was, but we thought it was more fun to ask where the-
1:53:16 Andrew Manganelli? It was REI.
1:53:17 Speaker 01 Well, that is it for this week's recap episode of Waveform. Obviously, a lot more to come. We'll be testing these things. Let us know, again, like I said, in the comments, if there's certain things you want us to test for future episodes and for the full reviews. But yeah, like I said, thanks for subbing. Catch you guys in our next regularly scheduled programming. And since you made it this far, Kool-Aid.
1:53:41 Speaker 01 See you in the next one.
1:53:42 David Imel? Where do you come up with these? Two minutes after the episode goes live, it's gonna be all Kool-Aid somehow.
1:53:48 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and- Have I ever said your last name out loud? Rufus-
1:53:55 Speaker 01 You have, you are, you will now.
1:53:57 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. Do you want to tell me, or do you want me to try?
1:53:59 Speaker 05 No, no, try it.
1:54:00 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, but I'm going, and we ain't coming back. Alright. Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Rufus Mopar.
1:54:09 Speaker 03 Nope.
1:54:11 Andrew Manganelli? We coming back. I'm just kidding.
1:54:13 David Imel? Mulhoutz.
1:54:14 Andrew Manganelli? Mulhoutz. Okay.
1:54:19 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Rufus Mulhaupt. We are partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our trial term was created by Vane Seel.
1:54:26 David Imel? Bingo.
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1:54:29 David Imel? I miss bingo. Bingo. Bingo.
1:54:32 Andrew Manganelli? Let's go.
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1:54:46 Andrew Manganelli? Did I put enough gel in my hair this morning?
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