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1:20 David Imel? You can now adjust the intensity which HGR content displays.
1:25 Andrew Manganelli? Woo!
1:26 David Imel? There's a slider now. So it'll show you like, the brightness that the HGR content comes through.
1:31 Speaker 01 I'm dragging it all the way up.
1:33 David Imel? Marquez.
1:33 Speaker 01 I'm dragging it all the way up.
1:34 Andrew Manganelli? That's what it was.
1:35 Speaker 01 I want it, I want to be scrolling with low brightness. And I want to see your picture on Instagram and just boom.
1:42 Andrew Manganelli? Marquez wants that flashbang in his bed.
1:45 Speaker 01 I want that impactful media.
1:47 David Imel? I just want to turn it all off.
1:49 Speaker 01 Turn it all the way up.
1:49 David Imel? I hate HGR.
1:54 Speaker 01 Yeah, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts, I'm Marquez.
2:00 Speaker 03 I'm Andrew.
2:01 Speaker 01 And it's your birthday. Nice.
2:03 Andrew Manganelli? Happy birthday.
2:04 Speaker 01 Happy birthday, Marquez. Today is, as of the day of recording, my birthday. My 32nd birthday.
2:12 Andrew Manganelli? And what's your listening age, by the way?
2:13 Speaker 01 Yeah. We'll get to that later. My Spotify Wrapped seems to agree.
2:18 Speaker 01 Yeah, so in this episode, we have like kind of a lot, actually, to go through. A bunch of stuff, for some reason, all happened this week, in the first half of the week. Very convenient for us to talk about it on the pod. Galaxy Z Trifold, for real, for real, this time. Tons of Android features. YouTube also finally did the thing. You know what I'm talking about.
2:36 Speaker 03 YouTube Rewind.
2:36 Speaker 01 Yeah, actually, yeah. I miss it. I miss it. And also, we're gonna wrap it up with our Waveform Creators Wrap to see how many of you continue to listen to us. So that's what we're gonna do. K-pop.
2:48 Speaker 01 I also had K-pop on my Spotify Wrapped. So the case is that. Alright. K-pop Demon Hunters.
2:54 Andrew Manganelli? Well, it is your birthday, and we thought we'd open this episode with...
2:58 Speaker 01 A gift.
2:59 Andrew Manganelli? Adam, could you grab this? That, um, we got you a little present.
3:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
3:02 Andrew Manganelli? Oh. We know it's hard to get something for the man who has everything, but last week, you told us there is something you didn't really understand. So, we thought it would be a perfect time to get you that thing and see if you can live the magic of...
3:18 Speaker 03 Live the magic, and then we'd also be curious, as the greatest tech reviewer on earth, the greatest product reviewer on earth, because if you could give a brief review, like, you know, instant stream of...
3:27 Andrew Manganelli? Unboxing.
3:28 Speaker 01 This must be a lububu. There's...
3:30 Andrew Manganelli? Can you please explain for the audio listeners?
3:33 Speaker 03 Well, I just think you'd have the ability to make it crystal clear what a lububu is for everyone else.
3:38 Andrew Manganelli? Wow, way to ruin the surprise.
3:40 Speaker 01 Do a hands-on review. Alright, I'll unbox this. Oh, oh. I'll unwrap this. And it is in fact, I'm pretty sure this is a LaBubu. Does it say LaBubu anywhere? Is that a nickname? It doesn't say LaBubu on it.
3:53 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, it doesn't? I've also never witnessed this happen.
3:57 Speaker 01 It says, it's, well, it says, uh...
3:59 Andrew Manganelli? Did you get a knockoff, Ellis?
4:01 Speaker 03 No, I did not get a, I did not get a LaFufu.
4:04 Speaker 01 Well, is, what is LaBubu anyway?
4:05 Andrew Manganelli? They're blind boxes.
4:06 Speaker 01 Is that like what people call it as a?
4:08 Andrew Manganelli? No, it's the real name.
4:08 Speaker 03 That is in fact a LaBubu.
4:10 Speaker 01 It doesn't say it anywhere. I think people already know what it is. It says, "Exciting Macron, the Monsters, Vinyl Face, Popmart." It doesn't say LaBubu anywhere, but here's a box. It's a pla, it's a colorful box. It's got pastel colors. Um, I'm going to... So it's a blind box, so you can get any of those ones on the side?
4:31 Andrew Manganelli? And there is like an extremely rare one, right? We all know he's going to pull it.
4:35 Speaker 03 In this series, the extremely rare one is a one out of 12 chance.
4:39 Speaker 01 Secret.
4:39 Speaker 03 Uh, that's not the rare. The rest of them are one out of six.
4:41 Speaker 01 Got it. So there's six, six of them on the side and then one secret one that's a one out of 12. So it's exactly twice as rare or half as common. Ah, 12 is not that. I will open it.
4:52 Andrew Manganelli? No, that's not RuneScape drop rate. That's fantastic.
4:55 Speaker 01 It's in a bag now.
4:56 Andrew Manganelli? Ooh.
4:57 Speaker 01 It also does not say LaBubu. It says, "Exciting Macron." I'm actually starting to wonder why people call these LaBubu.
5:03 Andrew Manganelli? I thought they had like a tear thing on the inside. This has like a sticker on the top that feels like it got tampered with already.
5:10 Speaker 03 I went to the Popmart store in World Trade and purchased this.
5:16 Speaker 01 Smells kinda...
5:19 Speaker 01 Artificial. Smells tough. It smells kinda like a carpet. Um, okay. It's a secret one? So this is... It's beige. I'm gonna go based on colors.
5:28 Speaker 03 I believe there's a card in the bag that, that tells you what, in the, in the, the blind bag.
5:33 Speaker 01 Oh my god, it's ugly.
5:34 Andrew Manganelli? It's pretty cute.
5:35 Speaker 01 Okay, this card.
5:36 Andrew Manganelli? This is very like Patagonia jacket colored.
5:38 Speaker 01 Yeah. Beige.
5:42 Speaker 01 I got Toffee, it says.
5:45 David Imel? Oh, okay.
5:45 Speaker 01 So one of the middle, normal rarity ones. Toffee is, I guess that's the color too. Uh, so it's a little furry character with, um, it's, it has like regular hands and feet and the face, but then the rest is completely covered by fur. Uh, it's got a keychain on the top, so you could pitch your keys on this. Oh shit.
6:09 Speaker 04 Are you gonna do that for the rest of the day? We would be very hurt if you wouldn't, if you don't put your keys on this.
6:13 Speaker 01 I actually don't carry any keys with me. So I, I will not have any keys to put on this, but it is a nice little keychain, I will say. And it says the monsters on it. So at no point anywhere does anything say LeBubu.
6:26 Andrew Manganelli? I'm also good. The exciting macaron thing is that that's this one's like, uh, I believe that is the series, right?
6:33 Speaker 01 Okay.
6:33 David Imel? Oh, yeah, but there are no macarons.
6:37 Speaker 03 Well, I believe all of the colors are references.
6:40 David Imel? Oh, to macaron color?
6:42 Speaker 03 Uh, or flavors perhaps? I don't know.
6:43 David Imel? I think it's just macaron colors.
6:45 Speaker 01 Toffee.
6:47 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
6:47 Speaker 01 Yeah, Toffee.
6:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah. I think audio listeners love that section.
6:50 Speaker 03 Yeah.
6:51 Speaker 01 I cannot say I understand any of the hype, but it is a pretty unique looking, uh, character.
6:57 Speaker 03 How's the build quality?
6:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, it feels, so it's kind of like a bobblehead. It feels like I could rip the head off. I don't want to. I'm not going to, but it kind of, doesn't it feel, doesn't it look like I could?
7:07 David Imel? It does.
7:08 Speaker 01 How small the neck is.
7:09 David Imel? It's pretty malleable.
7:10 Speaker 01 I'm just saying.
7:11 Andrew Manganelli? I think that's, that's good build quality that they're confident enough in a tight neck.
7:16 David Imel? Can I feel it?
7:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:17 David Imel? Here, you can try it.
7:18 Speaker 04 Happy birthday!
7:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:20 Andrew Manganelli? Happy birthday. I know you love your presents so much and will never get rid of it.
7:23 Speaker 01 Thank you.
7:23 Andrew Manganelli? We'll carry it everywhere you go.
7:24 David Imel? Yeah, you guys know me.
7:25 Speaker 01 You know what's funny? On the tag, they have a little area to cut it.
7:28 David Imel? Nice.
7:29 Andrew Manganelli? That's smart.
7:29 David Imel? You should cut it off, because it takes up like a lot of the space.
7:32 Andrew Manganelli? You'll lose resale value, isn't it?
7:34 Speaker 01 Honestly, decent build quality.
7:37 Speaker 01 Is resale value something I should be thinking about? Very soft. Not anymore. No, right. Already opened it. This is just a normal mass-produced product that everyone can buy.
7:44 Speaker 03 Here, let me, I can find the resale value.
7:46 Speaker 01 Okay. There's just no way it's high. That's soft. How much actually is a, is, is a Labubu? Or whatever. It depends on how rare it is.
7:54 Speaker 03 About thirty dollars on this.
7:56 Speaker 01 Whoa. You spent.
7:58 Speaker 03 This was. This was.
8:00 Speaker 01 To be fair.
8:00 Speaker 03 A corporate card purchase.
8:02 Andrew Manganelli? What? It was for the podcast, we forgot it was your birthday. Which maybe makes this worse, but we wanted to do it just for the pod and then it happened to land on your birthday.
8:11 Speaker 01 Research, research. There was a mint green, human-sized Labubu that sold for a hundred seventy thousand dollars. Mint green, but that's like a one of one, human-sized one. Yeah. I feel like these are just regular stuffed animals.
8:26 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
8:27 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah, but they're creepy.
8:28 Andrew Manganelli? Collectible, yeah.
8:29 Speaker 01 With like a unique face that is. Like, remember the trolls?
8:31 Andrew Manganelli? And gambling.
8:32 Speaker 01 Do you remember the trolls? Yeah. With the long weird hair? Yep, yep. It's not different. Yeah. Everything is the same. I agree. I'm gonna. Nice.
8:40 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
8:40 Speaker 01 We live in a circulated society. Oh, perforated, nice. Yeah. Well.
8:45 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
8:45 Speaker 03 Marcus, it does seem that Toffee sells on eBay for slightly more than it was paid for in the blind box.
8:53 Speaker 01 So how easy was it for you to walk in and buy this in the blind box?
8:56 Speaker 03 Uh, that easy. I, I walked into the Popmart store and grabbed one of the blind boxes and took it to the register and, uh.
9:04 Speaker 01 Swiped my corporate card.
9:05 Andrew Manganelli? Are we past the major hype of these of like?
9:08 Speaker 03 The hardest, the hardest part of the whole thing was that the corporate card does not have a tap chip. Um, and I had to actually physically insert it. Um, I do believe we, I don't know if we're necessarily past the hype as much as every single thing is a recession indicator.
9:23 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:24 Speaker 03 But, uh, there, there were more than four blind boxes available for purchase in the NYC Oculus Popmart store.
9:33 Speaker 01 Yeah. Yeah, nice perforated box, nice perforated tag, good build quality.
9:39 Speaker 01 I have no idea how much you spent, but without looking at the receipts on the corporate card, I'm gonna, that's what I was gonna guess, thirty dollars.
9:45 Speaker 03 Yeah, it was, it was, I think, before tax, it was like twenty-eight, and after tax, it was like thirty-one. Would you describe that as an experience worth thirty-one dollars?
9:54 Speaker 01 I can tell that this is not about the physical product at all, because it's not impressive at all. It's definitely more about this social plugin and like relating to other people who got one and like the Pokemon card opening type of experience. It's like not really about the thing, it's more about the the stuff around the thing, the aura, the aura.
10:15 David Imel? The aura. Yeah. Are you farming right now?
10:18 Speaker 01 This thing is, for sure.
10:19 David Imel? Yeah.
10:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:19 Andrew Manganelli? We've blessed this episode with Labubu aura.
10:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
10:23 Speaker 03 To everyone that begged me to buy Marquez's Labubu after last week's episode, you know who you are.
10:30 Speaker 01 Yep.
10:30 Andrew Manganelli? You're welcome.
10:31 Speaker 03 You made this happen.
10:32 David Imel? Well, happy birthday.
10:35 Speaker 01 Thank you.
10:35 David Imel? Uh, I have another birthday gift for you.
10:37 Speaker 01 Oh. That is a segue.
10:40 David Imel? It's more dystopian bull.
10:42 Speaker 01 Nice.
10:43 David Imel? Okay, so this is actually-
10:44 Andrew Manganelli? That's what you asked for.
10:45 David Imel? This is actually a birthday gift for Ellis. Um, okay, Ellis. Yes. I know how much you let, you love AI overview. I know that, and when I said that that Labubu sold for a hundred seventy thousand dollars at auction, it was an AI overview answer. It might be a lie, I'm not sure. But because I know how much you love AI overview, I've got a really fun new headline for you, which is, in the Google Discover feed on some phones, well, you know, the thing where you swipe over to the left.
11:14 Speaker 03 Yes.
11:14 David Imel? Um, notably, my friend actually liked the articles that were being served to her because they were about chimpanzees.
11:22 David Imel? They are now experimenting with using AI to replace the headlines with like four-word headlines. And it's going about as well as you would expect.
11:33 Speaker 01 This sounds like when Apple tried to summarize its notifications and it just went horribly wrong.
11:37 David Imel? Yes, yes. So, so here are some of the summarized headlines.
11:41 Speaker 01 Okay.
11:41 David Imel? PC Gamer, Baldur's Gate 3 players exploit children.
11:45 Speaker 01 Hmm.
11:46 Speaker 03 Hmm.
11:47 David Imel? Not what the article is about.
11:48 Speaker 03 Do you know what the article was about?
11:50 David Imel? No.
11:52 Andrew Manganelli? And like, if I type that in-
11:53 David Imel? About that.
11:55 Speaker 03 I think I found the article.
11:56 David Imel? I think I did.
11:57 Speaker 03 It's about how Baldur's Gate three players had discovered that since kids are not killable in the game, they could control an army of them to make the game very easy, but they're virtual children.
12:08 David Imel? Maybe not that far off.
12:11 Speaker 03 Extremely far off.
12:12 David Imel? Virtual children, that's true. Very different from real children. All right, here's another one. Chi2 slows older pixels.
12:19 Speaker 04 I have no idea what that could be about.
12:21 David Imel? That can't use Chi2 on older pixels.
12:23 Speaker 03 That Chi2 is, oh.
12:25 David Imel? Yeah, Chi2 is on the newest pixel, not the older pixels. From The Verge, Microsoft developers using AI.
12:33 Speaker 01 Nice.
12:35 Speaker 01 To be fair, that does narrow down. Or I should click this article.
12:40 David Imel? Ars Technica, Steam Machine price revealed. It was not.
12:47 David Imel? It was, well, no, it was not actually revealed.
12:49 Speaker 04 I know, that's.
12:50 David Imel? Correct. PC Gamer, Schedule One Farming Backup.
12:57 David Imel? Probably a farming simulator headline of some sort.
13:00 Andrew Manganelli? It's this like crazy game where you're like, you like grow drugs and sell drugs in this town.
13:06 David Imel? Right, right.
13:07 Andrew Manganelli? You can like experiment with it and feed it to the like people around the town and they get like, they'll like vomit on the streets. It's this crazy game that for like a month had a ton of hype. So there must have been, not The Sims quite, but yeah, it's like drugs, drug dealer simulator, pretty much.
13:29 Speaker 01 I'm getting flashbacks to SimCity and actually one of my favorite games of all time that I almost guarantee none of you played, which is called Sid Meier's Sim Golf. And you could build a golf course and a business around that golf course and you had to lay it out. You bought a plot of land.
13:49 Andrew Manganelli? This is the most Marquez game.
13:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, you bought a plot of land and you had to buy a plot based on how hilly it was or how flat it was and how malleable hell rocky or whatever. And then you start building and it costs a certain amount and you start off with a three hole golf course, a little pitch of putt, and then you destroy things and you add new holes and you build a nine hole course and an 18 hole course. You build a whole business out of it until you have, and then you build a golfer as well. God, and the soundtrack to this game was so good.
14:13 David Imel? This is the ideal Marquez video game.
14:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, I put a lot of hours into that game.
14:17 David Imel? Yeah.
14:18 Speaker 01 Remembering it.
14:18 David Imel? Dang.
14:19 Speaker 01 Wow.
14:19 David Imel? Incredible.
14:20 Speaker 01 Good times.
14:20 David Imel? Well, anyway, last one from PC Games and AI Tag Debate heats.
14:28 David Imel? Because they're just trying to use like as few words as possible.
14:33 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like the funniest thing about AI stuff is they're like, we're gonna pull all this stuff from articles that we didn't write, you know, into AI overviews and stuff and give terrible credit towards it. And now they're like, do you know what else we could do better than them, even though they're doing all of it in the first place? Rename their headlines like
14:50 David Imel? Dude.
14:50 Andrew Manganelli? Everyone online, we are people like this. It's like a title is extremely important. I think the people writing these articles know how important the titles are and that some garbage black box LLM is gonna do it better than.
15:04 David Imel? Google forced this industry to be developed, like Google forced the SEO industry. There are conferences, there are expos that people go to to talk about search engine optimization. And now Google's like, we don't care that you did that. We're just gonna like randomly mess with it now.
15:21 Speaker 01 Yeah, that is not my favorite feature.
15:23 David Imel? Yeah.
15:25 Speaker 03 I've never worked at a tech company. I don't really understand how things go on in there, but it just sort of feels like someone woke up some morning, some like VP, middle manager type person. I was just like, man, I haven't given anyone any new ideas in like a month. I gotta, I gotta think, I, I, I got it. Well, AI, the, the headlines.
15:45 David Imel? Yeah. I know we've already made all the videos and images slop.
15:49 Speaker 03 Yeah.
15:49 David Imel? Let's make the headlines slop now. Anyway, The Verge did reach out to Google about this and their official statement was, "We are testing a new design that changes the placement of existing headlines to make topics easier to digest before, before they explore links from across the web."
16:04 Andrew Manganelli? I want articles to be harder to digest by just the title.
16:08 David Imel? Literally.
16:09 Andrew Manganelli? And I want you to have to click it and go into it's.
16:11 David Imel? The more you still is, you're flat, the more you flatten an idea, the more it's gonna be misinformation spread across.
16:17 Andrew Manganelli? It's one of the best things Twitter has ever done, which was the.
16:21 David Imel? Please read this before you.
16:22 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, before you retweet it, it's like, are you sure you want to? Cause you could still read the article. That's, well, that actually is one of my biggest gripes about AI overview just in Google is. I can read it and be like, okay, that is exactly what I'm looking for. I just want to double check it because it's an AI overview. And then you click the link and then it shows like three articles that it possibly pulled that from. I just want to be like, I just want, where did this quote come from?
16:47 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:48 Andrew Manganelli? This would actually be helpful because it is right some of the times. And when it's, I just want to make sure it's right because I will never take it at face value.
16:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:56 Andrew Manganelli? And it makes that part really hard. That's my biggest frustration.
16:59 Speaker 01 Well, hopefully people will hate this as much as I do and they will not end up shipping this full time. Cause it's just an experiment right now.
17:06 Andrew Manganelli? How long until this comes to YouTube and we don't have to think about titles anymore?
17:09 Speaker 01 That would, that's, that would hit so much harder for me because like I, it's, the packaging is part of the product. And, and that's like a generic statement about like every industry and every product, but also with articles, like the, the headline and the, the opening, like in the newspaper, this was true. And now about online articles, the packaging is a part of the product. And for us, videos, the thumbnail and the title, even though you can A B test it or whatever, it's still very true that the packaging is a part of the product. It leads you in the thumbnail. Sometimes it's the opening scene of the video, things like that. For AI to just gobble that up and summarize it, like we've seen that go poorly so many times. There's no way that that works well.
17:49 Andrew Manganelli? I think for people listening to us or even maybe in our shoes, sometimes it's, it feels like it hits harder for, if they took this to YouTube because it's so much easier to be personal on seeing a face. But like, we probably know some of the people that wrote these articles. This is like nine to five Google. This is Verge. You just put an article on the verge. Like this could have been yours up there that you took time to doing. We know people at nine to five Google, not Android, everywhere. And like, these are actual people that think the same way we do. It's just a written form and you don't see their face.
18:18 Speaker 03 You guys are stuck in the past, man. You're stuck in the past. Don't you realize that all Google's doing, they're lowering the barrier to entry, bro? It's like, what if you really want to be a journalist, but like you're really bad at writing and you don't want to learn how to write? Now you can just have the AI do it for you, dude.
18:33 Andrew Manganelli? What if you want to review a phone, but you just don't have the phone? Like AI can just see how the phone's doing online and.
18:39 Speaker 03 Get with the times, guys. Like you should be able to do anything without trying and give Google money in the process.
18:47 Speaker 01 There was, there was a part of my brain that was like trying to reason with like, the old skill that we had growing up was we wanted to find information on the internet. So we had to learn how to Google something.
19:01 David Imel? Yeah, SEO language.
19:02 Speaker 01 An SEO language and not only that, then like how to navigate the top couple of links to figure out like which sources you trust and like how to gather the information to find the answer.
19:12 David Imel? Yeah.
19:12 Speaker 01 And over time, that became like the established thing that we all had to learn. And now there's kids growing up where they're going to Google something and they have to have a totally different mindset about how to find the right answer to their question. Which is going to involve like a lot of times looking at an AI overview and then like clicking all of the links that it references.
19:29 David Imel? But the kids aren't gonna click all those links.
19:31 Speaker 01 I don't know, like I, I want them to also have some sort of process that they can trust to find reliable answers to questions on the internet. And it's definitely going to be different today versus how we grew up 10 years ago. But I, yeah, there, it just doesn't seem like it's better.
19:46 David Imel? What Google wants is they want to make an answer engine, not a search engine.
19:50 Speaker 01 Right.
19:50 David Imel? They want you to be able to just type a natural language question into a box and it just tells you and you don't have to go to a website. It just wants to be like the answer to everything in one little.
19:59 Speaker 04 Which is fine, but then let me go one level deeper.
20:02 David Imel? But it's not fine.
20:03 Speaker 04 No.
20:03 David Imel? Nobody's gonna make the information.
20:05 Speaker 04 If I Google like, okay, Samsung trifold, I don't mind them taking the top 10 articles, summarizing it and being like, this is a thing that happened. But I should be able to click that and see all the actual articles. Like, give me the answer, sure, but then when I click it, just pop up the things you're pulling from.
20:19 David Imel? The lowest common denominator is people generally are not going to go to those articles. You are because you grew up in an era of skepticism.
20:25 Speaker 01 It's kind of like commoditizing surface level knowledge. So it lets you like speed run the beginning of learning about something into the middle. Like at the beginning of like, let's say we know nothing about, what do we, we know nothing about lemurs, whatever, like labubus, right?
20:40 David Imel? Yeah.
20:41 Speaker 01 The first, the first four or five Googles of me trying to figure out what labubus are in 2003. Where like, what does the word mean? Where do they come from? And like figuring out all the stuff and like going to Wikipedia and reading a bunch of stuff. Now, the first four to five Googles is just giving me an AI answer where I just go, what is a labubu? And it has an AI overview and then I Google, uh, why are they so popular? And it gives me an AI overview and then I just read the first three or four and now I've just speed run all of the like, probably very useful understanding to just getting the high level stuff. And to Google, that's a success for them because they keep you Googling and that's great.
21:19 David Imel? Well, that's true. Yeah, that's true in everything that they're making. I mean, even with anti-gravity with the coding stuff. It's like.
21:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, you speedrun learning how to code.
21:27 David Imel? Yeah, you're understanding the very, very high level things of like, oh, I need a Google Maps API key. It told me that, but it did it for me. So I don't know how to implement it.
21:38 Speaker 01 You don't know what that means or how it did it or why it did it or what it means to do that again.
21:42 David Imel? Yeah.
21:43 Speaker 01 Or improve upon it. You just know that you did it.
21:45 David Imel? Right.
21:46 Speaker 01 Tough.
21:46 David Imel? Not, not great.
21:47 Speaker 01 Not, not better.
21:48 David Imel? Not fantastic.
21:49 Speaker 01 Definitely not better. Um, well.
21:51 Andrew Manganelli? Man, you sound old on your birthday.
21:53 Speaker 01 I know. Oh, these kids.
21:55 Andrew Manganelli? I just think.
21:56 David Imel? New title, Old Man Yells at Cloud.
21:57 Speaker 01 I feel like Old Man Yelling at Cloud, but I do think there is some.
22:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yelling at the cloud.
22:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, the cloud, literally.
22:02 Speaker 03 I just want to throw out there, you know, without getting too.
22:07 Andrew Manganelli? Too late.
22:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, without getting too late.
22:09 Speaker 01 We're all in.
22:10 Speaker 03 It's just like, you know, there's all this talk in the United States about how, about, about China's censored internet. You know what I mean? And how crazy it is that you can't Google certain things or certain information is just unavailable to you in certain countries, you know? And, uh, you know, when we live in the world where there's just an answer machine and there's no transparency as to where it gets its answers from. That's the same thing. That's, that's, that's exactly the same thing. All of a sudden you could be like, what's Google Plus? And Google could be like, there's no such thing as Google Plus. We, we've never done anything that stupid, you know? And then there'd be no way to fact check that. And, uh, that's.
22:46 Speaker 01 We do ask it for sources, like when they sort of start to put this, they sprinkle the links in now for where.
22:53 Andrew Manganelli? We're just being clear that right now there are sources and all of this. And it also is the top of a Google search where you can scroll past it and all of the normal links.
23:01 Speaker 03 Yeah. Also, eventually all of these, these companies do want what David's describing, like, like a text bot. That does not take you to any other places.
23:10 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just making sure we all, right now that is not the situation we're in and.
23:14 Speaker 03 Yeah.
23:15 Speaker 01 It's where we're going though.
23:16 Speaker 03 It's where we're headed.
23:16 Speaker 01 It's the direction we're pointing. It doesn't really have to go all the way.
23:19 Andrew Manganelli? Definitely the direction.
23:20 Speaker 01 But it's the direction we're pointing.
23:21 Speaker 03 No, but that's like, we've already seen it with Grokapedia. You know, that's literally the entire point of Grokapedia.
23:26 Andrew Manganelli? I don't take Grok seriously in the least.
23:30 David Imel? Side note, I found it. You have to click the little icons and it shows you all the articles.
23:35 Andrew Manganelli? The little.
23:36 Speaker 01 A tiny, a tiny little button that you have to remember to find.
23:39 Andrew Manganelli? No, that button's the thing I don't like about on browser is it's like. I wish it just brought me to the exact article, but it's usually when you click it. I'm clicking it at the end of a sentence, which probably should be just a sentence from an article. And then it shows me like three articles. So now I have to go back and find it in there like it. I it should direct me to the sentence in the article, I feel like, and that would actually make it useful. Because then in one minute, it can be true or false and I can confirm and it did.
24:06 David Imel? Gemini does do that, actually.
24:08 Speaker 03 And so does so does AI overviews.
24:10 David Imel? If you click on.
24:10 Andrew Manganelli? No, AI, I'm talking about AI over like it has the link and then it shows me three articles by the sentence. And then I have to go find it like it should just show me the article that it brought me to.
24:19 David Imel? In Gemini, when it shows you sources on the side, if you click one of the sources, it automatically brings you to the part. And it highlights it too, where it took the information from.
24:28 Speaker 03 I wonder if we are getting different stages of AI over because my AI overviews do that too. Like when I click on the little chain, it'll take me to the exact sentence in the article.
24:36 David Imel? Yeah, mine just did that as well.
24:39 Speaker 03 It's still wrong all most of the time, but.
24:41 David Imel? Yeah, I just Googled Sid Meier's golf release date. And the AI overview is correct. And then I click on it and it says it's pulling from Wikipedia and a fandom.
24:51 Speaker 03 And it is correct.
24:52 David Imel? And it's correct. Nice. Yeah, that's good. Wikipedia is correct. So that was easy for them. That's true.
24:57 Speaker 03 Well, I looked up the milliamp hour battery life of a phone that I'm going to ask you about at trivia later. And it linked to the Wikipedia thing and it just made up a number. It links.
25:06 David Imel? Is the Wikipedia right?
25:08 Speaker 03 No, no, the Wikipedia number was right, but the number it gave me in AI overview, despite linking and highlighting the number Wikipedia was a different number.
25:16 David Imel? Nice. All right. Well, I have something positive to talk about.
25:25 David Imel? Have you ever wanted to consume YouTube Shorts, TikTok and Instagram Reels at the exact same time?
25:34 Speaker 01 With three different scrolls happening at three different rates?
25:36 David Imel? Do I have a phone for you?
25:38 Andrew Manganelli? You ever wanted to watch Quibi, Tubi and Phoebe at the same time?
25:43 David Imel? Bring back Quibi.
25:44 Speaker 01 Samsung.
25:44 David Imel? Too early.
25:45 Speaker 01 Galaxy Z Trifold.
25:47 David Imel? Z Trifold, baby. We finally got an announcement. We were waiting for this. They were saying by December. They technically did it December 1st.
25:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:56 David Imel? I think.
25:56 Speaker 01 So to be clear, we got some information.
25:58 David Imel? Yeah.
25:58 Speaker 01 We didn't get a price yet.
25:59 David Imel? No.
26:00 Speaker 01 But we got, uh, we got to see the device.
26:03 David Imel? Oh, we did.
26:03 Speaker 01 Korean price.
26:04 David Imel? Okay.
26:04 Speaker 01 And we got to see the device in action. There's a couple YouTube videos out about it now and some specs. And we can see how it folds. So there's the single display and then there's the unfolding, the inside for the triple display.
26:15 Andrew Manganelli? Explain how folds to audio listeners.
26:17 Speaker 01 Okay, so, um, picture a, picture one of those pamphlets, one of those tri-fold pamphlets, right? Where you have like a left, a right and a middle and just go ahead and fold the left and the right over each other. So you have a single column. That single column is a six and a half inch screen, single screen setup. And then you open both at the same time and you have a 10 inch tablet on the inside.
26:41 David Imel? Kind of.
26:41 Speaker 01 So there is no like two-screen version because there's only a single or a tri. But it's like one of those pamphlets, you know?
26:48 Andrew Manganelli? Like a menu. Like a big menu.
26:50 Speaker 01 Like a, yeah.
26:51 David Imel? A map.
26:51 Speaker 01 Yeah, like a map. Or I'm thinking of like the souvenir shop and like they have like a.
26:56 David Imel? At the zoo.
26:57 Andrew Manganelli? Like a brochure.
26:58 Speaker 01 A brochure. Thank you. Yeah.
26:59 David Imel? A brochure.
27:00 Speaker 01 That's what I'm picturing.
27:01 David Imel? They should, they should have just called it the Samsung brochure.
27:03 Speaker 01 Samsung Galaxy Z brochure. Yeah, so tri-fold.
27:05 David Imel? Z brochure.
27:06 Speaker 01 So this phone will have a Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy, which is the last gen. It's not the 8 Elite Gen 5. But Snapdragon 8 Elite for Galaxy. It will be, like I said, six and a half inches on the front, 1080p, 120 Hz AMOLED. It will be 10 inches, 16 by 11, 120 Hz, 2160 by 1584.
27:23 David Imel? Which feels low resolution.
27:25 Speaker 01 A little low, a little low, but I think that will work hand in hand with its 5,600 milliamp hour total battery, which is not huge. It's a 10" screen, so I think having less pixels will be better for battery life.
27:38 David Imel? We're spoiled.
27:39 Speaker 01 Uh, triple cameras, you have a 200-megapixel main camera, seems like a flagship camera. Haven't tested it myself yet, but that's a good sign. Also a 12-megapixel ultra-wide and a 10-megapixel 3X telephoto. Which, to which a lot of people replied to my tweet, "How will a 10-megapixel 3X telephoto be better than punching in on the 200-megapixel uh, primary camera?"
28:00 David Imel? Yeah.
28:00 Speaker 01 To which I replied, "Eh, I don't know." Optics, the optics and the lens of the 3X telephoto could make it feel better than the crop on the primary.
28:10 David Imel? The photo sites are much larger on a 10-megapixel.
28:12 Speaker 01 It, yeah, so maybe in lower light, it will be better, so we'll see.
28:16 David Imel? Yeah.
28:16 Speaker 01 We'll see.
28:18 David Imel? Ironically, because usually the telephoto is the worst at low light.
28:21 Speaker 01 Exactly.
28:21 David Imel? So.
28:22 Speaker 01 Uh, titanium hinge, aluminum body, IP48 rating, and all the way unfolded, it's all the way down to 3.9 millimeters.
28:30 David Imel? Which is the thinnest Samsung phone they've ever made, even thinner than the Fold 7.
28:34 Speaker 01 I don't know if you realize how thin 3 millimeters is, like, when we talk about the thinnest phones that we've seen so far.
28:40 David Imel? Yeah.
28:40 Speaker 01 Were in the range of 5 to 6 millimeters, and those are, that's like iPhone Air, that's a S25 Edge. Those are 5-millimeter phones. 3.9 millimeters is crazy thin. I haven't held this yet.
28:53 David Imel? That's true.
28:53 Speaker 01 But watching the video, it seems crazy, and to fit like, meaningful compute and battery and storage and all that in this phone is genuinely impressive.
29:02 Andrew Manganelli? Well, it's funny though, because then when it's folded, it's apparently stupid thick.
29:07 Speaker 01 Right.
29:07 Andrew Manganelli? And like, this doesn't even feel like a normal phone.
29:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly. Folding this thing up is gonna be its weak point, it's gonna feel like a chunk like a 12, 13-millimeter thick phone.
29:17 David Imel? Yeah.
29:17 Speaker 01 Which you guys probably haven't used a phone that thick in many years, but unfolded is, is kind of the point.
29:24 David Imel? Big chunker.
29:25 Speaker 01 Unfolded, it's, yeah, it's, it's 4.2... The Fold 7 was 4.2. So it's, it's slightly thinner than the Fold 7.
29:34 David Imel? Yeah.
29:34 Speaker 01 Yeah, which is crazy.
29:36 Andrew Manganelli? The first iPhone was 11.6 millimeters thick.
29:39 Speaker 01 Yeah. This is the, the goodness.
29:40 Andrew Manganelli? This is the good than that.
29:42 David Imel? It does do 45-watt wired charging, which is kind of surprising for something that thin. I'm curious about the heat dissipation.
29:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, what kind of heat dissipation, what kind of...
29:51 Andrew Manganelli? What heat dissipation?
29:52 David Imel? Yeah.
29:53 Speaker 01 3 millimeters thick, you can't have very much.
29:55 David Imel? Yeah, 309 grams, it's very heavy. The Z Fold 7 was 215, so just add another third to that. As you would.
30:04 Speaker 01 Everything kind of steps up in thirds, right? 200 something grams for the dual screen.
30:08 David Imel? The battery capacity did not quite step up in thirds.
30:11 Speaker 01 True, true, true.
30:12 David Imel? Yeah.
30:12 Speaker 01 The price did.
30:14 David Imel? It's true.
30:14 Speaker 01 So what was the price?
30:15 David Imel? So, okay, people are expecting this to cost $2,800. That's about the conversion rate from, from the Korean price.
30:25 Speaker 01 Okay.
30:25 David Imel? Which is a $3,000 phone.
30:29 Speaker 01 But think about it, you have a 10-inch tablet in your pocket now.
30:32 David Imel? That's true. Yeah.
30:33 Speaker 01 I could get an iPad and an iPhone. But then you'd have to carry an iPad that you can't fold up and an iPhone. What if you could fit that in your pocket? You could get an iPad and a MacBook.
30:45 David Imel? Well, what they need next is they need, they need to make some sort of like omega-thin keyboard and mouse. Because the whole, the whole point for me for this is that I can just have a little laptop in my pocket at all times.
30:58 Speaker 01 Interesting.
30:58 David Imel? Like a 10-inch laptop.
31:00 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:00 David Imel? Um, you can use, obviously, a Bluetooth mouse and keyboard with it, and it has Dex. I would like to see your Dex, Adam.
31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, now Adam's in. Okay, I'm all in.
31:10 David Imel? And, uh...
31:10 Speaker 01 Wait, can I, I have this huge screen, so I can plug it into a bigger screen.
31:15 Speaker 04 Can I, like, fold it so that two of the screens are a screen and the third screen is, no?
31:19 David Imel? The Huawei can do that, but I can't do that. I know, yeah. Uh, but it does have a really interesting form of Dex. So there's the traditional Dex where you plug it into a monitor and then you can use it as a second display. And it's like, it's a 10-inch second display, so it's pretty big. But it also has a on-device Dex mode. Where you enable Dex mode and it becomes basically like the tablet where everything, all apps become windowed. So you can just, like, throw apps around instead of, you know, taking up the full screen, they're all windowed. So it's sort of like what happens when you attach a pixel to a display and it becomes like the, the Android-on-computer type thing. But it's just on your phone, as a little tablet. Other cool thing, you can make app groups with it now, so you can make it so two to three windows always open up
32:04 David Imel? at the same time in certain, um, orientations. So if you're always, like, working on Google Docs on one and then you've got YouTube on another and you've got another thing on another, you can pin that to your taskbar and when you click it...
32:16 Speaker 01 Opens all of them at once?
32:17 David Imel? In the same positions.
32:19 Speaker 01 Perfect.
32:19 David Imel? Which is very cool.
32:21 Speaker 01 Adam is ring ah on the inside.
32:23 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I don't want to.
32:24 Speaker 01 Um, yeah, there was. So there was a Mr. Who's the boss video that went out about this that was like probably the first video that went out. I think maybe him and Superstop put the same video at the same time. Aaron said that it the inner glass is so soft that he leaned it against a vase, which I don't know what kind of vase he was looking at, but it's it produced very deep gouges in the screen by leaning it against a vase.
32:49 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, it's not like soft screen where like, I mean, we've seen fingernails and that kind of stuff produce like dense. So I guess weight of phone plus leaning on a thing for a shot, I'm guessing is.
33:00 Speaker 01 But like deep gouges?
33:01 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that's. I mean, like, yeah.
33:03 Speaker 01 Red flag. It's kind of spooky. It kind of it gives me Galaxy Fold 1 vibes. I was thinking the same thing. Like, this is a super, super limited thing. This is two YouTubers who got to hand like play with it hands on in Korea and that was it. And it'll slowly start to show up later, I'm sure. But this is the type of thing where it's so expensive and it's so limited that they probably aren't going to have the masses really approaching this thing and they can kind of handle the crazy crisis stories better than maybe the first fold, which was everyone getting excited and then a bunch of YouTubers trying it and then a bunch of people breaking it.
33:36 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Do we think it's any different from the fold screen? Like, why would the material have to be different?
33:42 Speaker 01 It is different. I think because of the both folds and folds in, I guess, the same direction.
33:48 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, it's like still only 100 degrees fold. Yeah, but it doesn't matter.
33:53 Speaker 01 I think it does. I think the key to like when, so we saw this with a razor, right? So they had this like little piece of the chin where when you unfold it, it would slide a little bit more screen out. Because when it folds, it like pulls it up and when you unfold it, it stretches it over that crease.
34:09 Andrew Manganelli? But that's, why would that make a difference in what the material is rather than just how much room it has to move? The razor is just it gave itself more room to do that.
34:17 Speaker 01 Right. Well, all these films have some level of stretching over the crease to flatten it out. I'm saying when you have two creases, you have to stretch it twice as much. And so you probably need to do accomplish that in the same amount of room, you have to make it softer.
34:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, so it stretches.
34:34 David Imel? You have more total stretch.
34:35 Speaker 01 Malleable. Yeah.
34:36 Speaker 03 Not just that, but like the, when you, like when you fold the screen, you're, you're applying tension. Like because the screen is being stretched out, right? That tension has then dissipated over the entire rest of the screen. It's not like there's like a hard wall where the screen is clamped somewhere and the rest of the screen is not under tension, but right next to the crease. So when you have two creases, there's now way less room for that tension to dissipate. You're applying all of that force into a much smaller area.
35:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
35:05 David Imel? Well.
35:05 Speaker 03 I went to music school.
35:06 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know if I believe any of you.
35:08 Speaker 01 It's just that I'm picturing, because the first fold, the issue that they mostly dealt with was that, uh, that layer that they put on top of the soft glass was like not close enough to the edge and people would pull it off.
35:19 Andrew Manganelli? Well, yeah, we pulled it off.
35:21 Speaker 01 But like that, they have to put that on top because that is harder. And when you have that fold unfold, that hard layer on top is essentially eliminating the crease. Like we've seen some get really close to having no crease now. But I just feel like this one, I mean, if you've seen the video, there's a ton of crease in these. And it's inherently not as hard because it has to stretch twice instead of once.
35:46 David Imel? Yeah.
35:47 Speaker 01 Intuitively, it makes sense in my brain. I can't really explain it very well, but I guess that's TBD on how durable this actually is.
35:53 David Imel? I'm picking up what you're putting down.
35:54 Speaker 01 Cool. Perfect.
35:55 David Imel? Maybe it's because you're 32. Maybe that's why.
35:57 Speaker 01 It's also IP48 is kind of crazy.
35:59 David Imel? It's not, yeah, it's not great. It can, it can withstand one millimeter or larger particles.
36:07 Speaker 01 Yeah, the dust part, I'm not, I'm not expecting much.
36:10 David Imel? I'm a little worried about that.
36:11 Speaker 01 But the eight is full submersion, no?
36:15 David Imel? Like one meter or something?
36:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:17 David Imel? Yeah.
36:17 Speaker 01 I can dunk this underwater.
36:18 David Imel? I mean, that's, that's more about the seals.
36:20 Andrew Manganelli? They know the dust will break it before it goes into water, so it doesn't have to get to that point.
36:24 David Imel? Exactly.
36:25 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny because I'd be more worried about larger particles because.
36:27 David Imel? Dude, you don't want to see my pockets.
36:29 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, like folds generally.
36:31 David Imel? What goes on in there?
36:32 Speaker 01 I wouldn't want to be in there.
36:33 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like folds generally, the issue is not that it's getting inside, but that, or inside the hinges, it's that it's getting inside when it folds. So now you fold it once and you have a particle in it and now you fold it again and smash the particle in even more.
36:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
36:46 Andrew Manganelli? So now every piece that's inside your screen gets closed twice.
36:50 Speaker 01 And.
36:51 Andrew Manganelli? And if it's, if it's on the second one. So it's either getting in between two screens and folded again, or one side folds in and then it's between a screen and a hard piece. Which means it's not getting absorbed by both sides. It's only getting absorbed by the screen side.
37:07 David Imel? For those that don't remember, the Galaxy Fold 1, the screens were breaking immediately and they had to like do a little recall before they actually sold the devices and then they put a screen protector on it or whatever. I don't know, man. I feel like they would have learned their lesson by now, so I'm gonna like look at this with optimism.
37:27 Speaker 01 I tweeted this phone out.
37:28 David Imel? It feels sketchy to me.
37:30 Speaker 01 It definitely does. I ended my tweet with like, you know what? Shout out to Samsung for being insane enough to try this. Cause they don't have to try this. Huawei has done a try-fold.
37:39 David Imel? Try.
37:40 Speaker 01 Yeah, try.
37:41 David Imel? I got it.
37:42 Speaker 01 But yeah, they are, they're crazy enough.
37:46 Speaker 01 Thanks.
37:47 Andrew Manganelli? One thing I thought was cool was, so in order to fold it, unfold it, the, the screen that has the camera on is actually a little bit wider than the other two screens, so it creates kind of a lip. So as you're holding in your hand, you can press your thumb down on that lip to then pop the first fold open. And then when that happens through a magnet, the interior screen kind of opens up a little bit, which gives you then a lip to pull it open.
38:12 David Imel? Isn't the front screen that has the lip?
38:14 Andrew Manganelli? No, it's the back screen.
38:14 David Imel? Oh, it's the back screen?
38:15 Andrew Manganelli? The camera area. So you can kind of like hold it open.
38:18 David Imel? Yeah.
38:18 Andrew Manganelli? And then that part pops up a little.
38:20 David Imel? Yeah.
38:21 Andrew Manganelli? I thought that was a neat way of doing that because if you're just digging your fingernails into it to open it up every time is probably not great.
38:28 David Imel? Yeah. So it comes with a case, and the case has a little kickstand on it. Back to the kickstand phones. Thank God we back. That's nice because you're going to be able to, you know, use a mouse and keyboard with it. It also comes with a 45 watt charger, at least where it's on sale right now.
38:44 Andrew Manganelli? G2?
38:45 David Imel? I don't think it has G2. It does have wireless charging, but it's 15 watts, so I don't think it's G2. So it's coming out in Korea earlier, but it is launching in the US in Q1 of 2026.
38:57 Speaker 01 Pretty incredible. I'm gonna work to try to get my hands on this thing. I'm very curious about it. The Huawei Mate XT was a fascinating phone, but at no point would I like buy one or recommend one to anyone.
39:09 David Imel? Services on it.
39:09 Speaker 01 Yeah, but even just like as a hardware concept, it was like kind of insane.
39:13 David Imel? Yeah.
39:14 Speaker 01 This is Samsung. It's gonna like really launch and really go on sale. Real people are gonna be able to buy it. So I'm just curious to see how this goes. I'm gonna try and see what kind of usability it actually kind of wheels for people.
39:27 David Imel? It is ironic that the Huawei Mate XT actually folded like a Z. And this is called the Z tri-fold, but this folds like a U.
39:35 Speaker 01 Like a, yeah.
39:37 Andrew Manganelli? Like a G, when it's fully folded.
39:40 David Imel? Yeah, it's true, like a G.
39:41 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:42 David Imel? Like a G.
39:43 Andrew Manganelli? Six, seven?
39:45 David Imel? Jesus. Don't do this.
39:48 Speaker 01 Your joke age is 12.
39:51 Speaker 03 Guys, we-
39:52 David Imel? The life of a meme.
39:53 Speaker 03 Every year, we inch closer and closer-
39:56 David Imel? To hell.
39:57 Speaker 03 To crumple phone.
39:58 Speaker 01 Aye, not wrong.
40:00 Andrew Manganelli? Can I share something someone sent on Discord about the tri-fold that was funny? This guy Elliot on our Discord said, "Samsung tri-fold unboxes are out. I showed my grandma a video and she said, 'I'm getting better at spotting AI.' That one was pretty obvious."
40:17 Andrew Manganelli? To which I say, "Kudos grandma. I'm glad you're looking for-"
40:21 Speaker 01 I'd rather you err on that side, honestly.
40:23 David Imel? I would say that the AI is probably more prominent for more people than foldable phones are.
40:29 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah.
40:29 David Imel? So it would make sense that she had just never seen a foldable phone before.
40:33 Andrew Manganelli? I'd rather her live not knowing there's folding phones and be very wary of AI.
40:37 Speaker 01 Although, remember that granny in the airport that I saw with the foldable phone?
40:42 Andrew Manganelli? Do you think this granny knows more about the Apple Vision Pro or the Steam Deck?
40:46 Speaker 01 I can ask.
40:48 Speaker 04 I'll ask. He'll probably listen to this episode.
40:51 David Imel? Probably neither, man.
40:52 Speaker 01 There's probably a Vision Pro in the store she bought the phone in.
40:54 David Imel? Did she go in though, or did she just have her daughter buy it for her?
40:58 Speaker 01 I think people go to stores in the US.
41:00 David Imel? A granny, though?
41:01 Speaker 03 Yeah. Dude, grannies love dinosaurs.
41:04 David Imel? Yeah. Dinosaurs?
41:06 Speaker 01 Stores.
41:06 Speaker 03 The, no, the dinosaur experience that comes with, the only thing the Vision Pro does.
41:11 David Imel? Oh.
41:12 Speaker 03 Wow, most exciting product of the year, huh?
41:14 David Imel? That's why I said it was the Steam Deck.
41:16 Speaker 04 And still more than the Steam Deck. I'm standing on it.
41:19 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, yeah. That was obvious. Anyone who disagreed with us is a moron.
41:22 David Imel? Yeah.
41:23 Andrew Manganelli? ChatGPT was the correct answer. It was the most boring answer. We were thinking of physical gadgets.
41:27 David Imel? Yeah. Alright, well, we got a lot more to talk about soon. We were gonna put it in this section, but I feel like we should move it to the next section. So, uh, maybe let's throw it to trivia, and then we got a ton of Android features to talk about after that.
41:38 Speaker 01 Let's do it.
41:39 David Imel? So, please don't leave. Retention.
41:42 Speaker 03 Guys.
41:42 Speaker 01 Thirty-six hundred.
41:44 Speaker 03 How did you know?
41:46 Speaker 01 That's just a shot in the dark.
41:49 Speaker 03 Nah, I'm just kidding.
41:53 Speaker 03 Um, guys.
41:58 David Imel? What's that from?
41:59 Speaker 04 The Office.
42:00 Speaker 03 No.
42:02 Speaker 03 It's from, is it from Rent? It's either Rent or it's in the Heights. I can't remember.
42:06 David Imel? No, it's Rent.
42:07 Speaker 03 Okay.
42:08 David Imel? Yeah.
42:09 Speaker 03 Uh, a few weeks ago, I asked if you wanted to do a question about socks or batteries, and you guys went with socks. And today, I'm gonna finally get around to asking my dope-ass battery question.
42:20 Andrew Manganelli? I was hoping for socks.
42:21 David Imel? What was that sock question?
42:22 Speaker 03 It was about which sock is the cheapest or the most expensive.
42:25 David Imel? Oh, yeah.
42:26 Speaker 03 And it wasn't the iPhone sock, or was it? I don't remember. Either way, guys, the new OnePlus 15, a, uh, a, a, a fan favorite around the office. I guess that doesn't make it a fan favorite. A favorite, a regular favorite, regular old favorite.
42:39 David Imel? Marquez's favorite.
42:40 Speaker 03 Marquez's favorite. It has crazy battery life. Everyone knows this. Um, but you know what does not have crazy battery life?
42:51 Speaker 01 Oh, this is iPhone 12 mini?
42:52 Speaker 03 My iPhone 12 mini.
42:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:54 Speaker 03 How many times larger in milliamp hours is the OnePlus 15's battery than my iPhone 12?
43:01 Speaker 01 Are we going decimals?
43:02 Speaker 03 Battery?
43:03 Speaker 04 Yeah.
43:03 Speaker 03 Yes, and we're gonna do delta.
43:06 Speaker 01 Okay.
43:06 Speaker 04 How many times?
43:08 Speaker 03 So you are encouraged to get as specific with decimal points as possible. Because it will likely, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna add something here. No calculators.
43:21 Speaker 01 Well, yeah.
43:22 Speaker 03 We're doing long division today, boys.
43:24 Speaker 01 In your head.
43:25 Speaker 03 You can do long division on the whiteboard.
43:26 Speaker 01 I have no idea how to divide these numbers.
43:29 Speaker 04 Make the house, make the house.
43:30 Speaker 03 Make the house, bro.
43:32 Speaker 01 The house? You doing square roots over here?
43:33 Speaker 03 You guys rich or something? With these roots?
43:38 Speaker 04 You guys need to go back to second grade.
43:41 Speaker 04 What, were you born in 1948?
43:42 Speaker 01 It's been 20 years since I manually divided numbers.
43:45 Speaker 03 You know what, honestly, honestly, real quick, let's do a mini, mini rapid fire trivia round.
43:50 Speaker 01 Okay.
43:50 Speaker 03 Which of the following is the answer to a division problem? The dividend, the divisor, or the quotient?
43:59 Speaker 01 The quotient. I knew that.
44:00 Speaker 04 Yeah, I knew that.
44:01 Speaker 01 Dividend.
44:01 Speaker 04 I didn't understand.
44:02 Speaker 01 Divisor. Dividend and divisor are. Numerator, denominator.
44:06 Speaker 03 Oh, he's cooking, he's cooking.
44:07 Speaker 01 The quotient is the answer.
44:08 Speaker 04 Wait, okay, we had a question a couple of weeks ago, and I was like, Marquez would know what the difference is. And now you're here.
44:14 Speaker 01 Okay.
44:15 Speaker 04 What is the difference between an ocean and a sea?
44:17 Speaker 01 Didn't we talk about this on the podcast? Sea? Yeah. Was that was, while he was gone?
44:21 Speaker 04 Yeah, he was gone that week.
44:22 Speaker 01 Oh. A sea? I don't know.
44:24 Speaker 04 I was like, Marquez would know the answers.
44:25 Speaker 01 That there's a formal.
44:26 Speaker 04 Differences between rivers and lakes.
44:28 Speaker 01 I don't know if there's a formal difference. There is. I know that a lake is an enclosed body of water, and that an ocean is not enclosed. It's closed. But a sea, is that different from an ocean? I actually don't know.
44:40 Speaker 04 It is.
44:41 Speaker 01 All right, well, we'll think about that, and we'll either learn something new, or we'll figure out what the answers are. Answers will be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.
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47:04 David Imel? All right, welcome back. We got a bunch of new Android drops, uh, kind of out of nowhere. They are trying to make Android drops much more frequent so that there's big platformer, like, instead of big platform releases where it's like Android 16, Android 17, there's just big new feature drops that come out through Android.
47:20 Speaker 01 Love it.
47:20 David Imel? And kind of out of nowhere, I believe it's yesterday as of timer recording, maybe two days ago, we got a lot of new features. Um, so we're just going to run through a lot of them. Some of them are Android wide and some of them are pixel drops. So it's kind of those like, oh, this is on pixel only, maybe for now, maybe forever, but probably just for now.
47:38 Speaker 01 Kind of like airdrop?
47:40 David Imel? Kind of like airdrop.
47:41 Speaker 04 Until it gets iPhone only for only 15 years.
47:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:45 David Imel? So, let's just go through this. Circle to search scam detection. Upgrade to circle to search.
47:52 Speaker 01 Dope.
47:52 David Imel? Now, you can circle a scam, or what you think might be a scam, which Adam's mom apparently needs. And
47:59 Speaker 01 This is so useful.
47:59 David Imel? It'll bring up a little thing that'll, that guides you through why it may or may not be a scam. It references it against all known scams.
48:07 Speaker 01 Hmm.
48:07 David Imel? And then it'll tell you, oh yeah, this is a common scam that does this, blah, blah, blah, you know?
48:11 Speaker 01 So this is great if it works.
48:13 Speaker 04 Yes.
48:14 Speaker 01 Cause imagine you circle to search an actual scam, but it's so new that it's not referenced yet.
48:20 David Imel? For sure.
48:21 Speaker 01 Tells you it's not a scam.
48:22 David Imel? My other concern is that the people that will make the most benefit of this is the people that are not good at knowing what a scam is on their phone and that demographic probably also doesn't know how to use circle to search.
48:34 Speaker 01 But they probably have a nephew that can be like, hey, real quick, just circle to search by doing this one two-step. And it'll tell you.
48:42 Speaker 04 I will say that I just did circle to search on the message that my mom sent me, the screenshot of the obvious scam. And it said, if you were not expecting this message, or do not have a paid cloud subscription, it is likely a scam. So it does do it.
48:54 Andrew Manganelli? It's also like, people search scams all the time. I got a letter in the mail the other day that looked super official to where like, it had three perforations where you tear it, kind of like, like, that usually means like check.
49:06 Speaker 01 Or it says, open immediately.
49:07 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah, and it was
49:09 Speaker 01 Time sensitive.
49:09 Andrew Manganelli? The funny thing was that initially got me is, uh, There was clearly a placeholder text in one part that it didn't change because I think it's was supposed to know who my lender was and it just said like lender in bold when it just didn't replace it. But anyways,
49:23 David Imel? Yeah.
49:23 Andrew Manganelli? I searched the exact thing and just in Google's a million search results of like letter, same exact amount, same exact font. So like people search these. So it has the database to be able to find a lot of,
49:35 David Imel? For sure.
49:35 Andrew Manganelli? You can't circle search a letter, but I'm sure plenty of that happens.
49:38 David Imel? You can use Gemini live.
49:40 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I think it's huge if it works. Facebook about to be real sad that all their scam things on Facebook aren't gonna sell.
49:47 Speaker 03 Allegedly, allegedly.
49:48 Andrew Manganelli? Allegedly.
49:49 Speaker 03 Allegedly. But yeah, no, like I, what was it? Like 10 to 30, somewhere between 10 and 30% of their business allegedly might go down too.
49:57 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
49:57 Speaker 03 Allegedly.
49:58 David Imel? Yeah, cuz that many people are gonna use circle search. I don't know about that.
50:02 Andrew Manganelli? They watch them make it so circle to search can't work inside of Facebook.
50:05 David Imel? Oh, my God. Yes, I wanna, the, these are, first of all, these are the, the Android wide features for the phones that have these capabilities. Emoji Kitchen is getting new expanded sticker combinations.
50:16 Andrew Manganelli? Not useful.
50:18 David Imel? Wow.
50:18 Andrew Manganelli? But fun.
50:19 David Imel? They're different people. I love Emoji Kitchen. It is fantastic. You can make monkeys hug each other on Emoji Kitchen. That's the example they used.
50:27 Andrew Manganelli? Cool. But I'm saying not useful.
50:30 David Imel? All right. Call reason. This is interesting. You can now mark a call as urgent so that when the other person is getting the phone call, it will say it's urgent on the call. So that is useful because sometimes people call me while I'm busy and I'm like, I'm not gonna answer right now. But if it did say urgent, I would pick up and be like, what's wrong?
50:50 Andrew Manganelli? I can't wait to call Ellis at 3 o'clock in the morning with an urgent tag. And he goes, what? And I'll be like, you know nothing about C's.
50:59 David Imel? So the caller, just to be clear, the caller marks their own call as urgent.
51:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
51:04 David Imel? So that the receiver sees an urgent tag? Yeah, it'll have, it'll put a little tag on it. This is urgent. I think it has to be Android to Android.
51:11 Speaker 03 But then you can circle to search the call screen and.
51:15 David Imel? Yeah.
51:15 Andrew Manganelli? Can, is, is urgent the only tag?
51:17 David Imel? Yes.
51:18 Andrew Manganelli? I would so much rather have one that says not urgent. So when I call my mom and she doesn't pick up, when she sees that later. Parents have to assume the worst about every single phone call.
51:30 David Imel? Hmm.
51:31 Andrew Manganelli? So that can just be like.
51:32 David Imel? Yeah.
51:32 Andrew Manganelli? Just wanted to. Lean just wanted to say hi. Like, you don't have to stop everything you're doing to call me back.
51:37 David Imel? Well, I saw something online that was like, I mean, if you're calling me instead of texting me, it's probably urgent. Yeah, there is that. Um, I, they did call it call reason and not like urgent call. So I'm wondering if they're planning on potentially adding more reasons later. Like, did you pick up the groceries? I don't know. At this point, just send a text, I guess. It's crazy. Yeah, yeah.
51:59 Andrew Manganelli? I thought this was gonna be, just because this happened to me recently, is.
52:02 David Imel? Yeah.
52:02 Andrew Manganelli? I got a phone call from a number I didn't know, but rather than say probably spam, it just said potentially medical because it was a, a new doctor I'd went to calling me back that I didn't have their.
52:13 David Imel? I've seen that before.
52:14 Andrew Manganelli? Whoa, wait, that's actually really useful.
52:16 David Imel? Yeah.
52:17 Andrew Manganelli? I never pick up calls that I don't know the number to. And since it didn't populate, I was like, oh, this is probably who I think it is.
52:23 David Imel? Right.
52:23 Andrew Manganelli? And it was.
52:24 David Imel? Right. Uh, there's a new safety check feature in Google Messages. So if you've ever been added to a group chat in Google, which you can now get added to in like Google Messages, which is like, usually it's like a Bitcoin group chat, like a thousand people in it. This happens in WhatsApp all the time. Um, this is why WhatsApp is not very good. Have never happened to me, but okay. Wow.
52:46 Andrew Manganelli? Telegram, though.
52:47 David Imel? I never get Telegram. Every other Tuesday. Do you pay the? I pay for it. Anyway, okay. Uh, so now if you get added to one of these spam group chats, it will identify that and it will immediately have a little pop up that's like, do you want to leave and report this?
53:02 Andrew Manganelli? Hmm.
53:03 David Imel? Immediately. So it just assumes that you can sort of identify when things are kind of spam, spam group chats, which is nice. Chrome on Android is now getting pinned tabs. So if you're a big Chrome on Android person, you can now constantly have certain tabs that are always at the top of your tab groups.
53:20 Andrew Manganelli? That's actually nice. I like that.
53:21 David Imel? There are now expressive captions across videos. So when you're like watching captions on like YouTube or something, it will be like joyfully. And then it'll put the caption, which is interesting. And it, they're like colored and it's trying to like, help you understand the energy that's coming from, from the, the speaker.
53:40 Andrew Manganelli? Sarcasm in videos is gonna get way funnier.
53:43 David Imel? That would be so useful sarcastically.
53:46 Andrew Manganelli? Or just like it not understanding it. It's gonna be like, joyfully, but like Marquez is saying something super sarcastic about like a new feature on an iPhone and.
53:54 David Imel? Yeah, so that's that's coming to YouTube across all devices like immediately, which is cool. Uh, the guided frame feature, which is sort of the people with disabilities who cannot really like have trouble using their phone camera and it speaks out to them and says like where to move it so that they can center on the thing. That's getting a lot better. Um, you can now tell Gemini to make changes while you are voice typing. So you can type out a message and if you decide you wanted to change something, you say, actually change the part that says this to this and it'll do that.
54:27 Speaker 01 Wow, I would never. That's the type of thing that I would like see my parents do and I'd be like, that doesn't work. It doesn't. And then just starts typing, starts typing what they were saying.
54:36 David Imel? Yeah.
54:37 Speaker 01 But the fact that it'll actually do that now would be kind of awesome.
54:40 Andrew Manganelli? Stop. Like, so you write the whole, you speak the whole message out.
54:45 David Imel? Yeah.
54:45 Andrew Manganelli? You have to then stop and then say, change this part.
54:48 David Imel? Um, not completely sure. I think you can do it. I think you can do it fluidly.
54:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. So can I be like?
54:54 David Imel? Identify when you're saying certain things.
54:56 Andrew Manganelli? Hey, Marquez, I'm going to be a little late to work. Oh, wait, erase that part. I'm going to be really late to work. Like it will do that mid-sentence and not just type the whole thing out.
55:05 Speaker 04 I thought it already did that.
55:07 Andrew Manganelli? Maybe I don't, I don't use text.
55:09 Speaker 04 On Pixel specifically, because the text speech is really good.
55:11 David Imel? The text speech is really good, but I haven't had, I haven't been able to go back and edit parts of what I already typed.
55:18 Speaker 04 I think it's specific, like key phrases that will trigger it like that, like what you said, Andrew, it would actually do that.
55:24 Andrew Manganelli? Actually, wait, actually erase that.
55:25 David Imel? Actually.
55:26 Andrew Manganelli? Like it'll go back and.
55:27 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
55:27 Andrew Manganelli? That's pretty awesome.
55:28 David Imel? So that's pretty cool. There's now better voice dictation that lets you edit certain words or shorten messages automatically. Um, and then there are also better parental controls that make it easier to be a parent, I suppose.
55:39 Speaker 01 Boo.
55:40 David Imel? Boo.
55:40 Speaker 01 Boo.
55:43 David Imel? Lame. Thirty-two.
55:48 David Imel? Okay, we're adults.
55:50 Speaker 04 Which all of those are coming to all Android devices.
55:52 David Imel? Uh, yeah, that's like the platform wide. And then there's Android 16 QPR to pixel drop. There's too many acronyms. Okay, actually useful notification summaries. So now allegedly.
56:07 Speaker 04 We'll see about that.
56:08 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, right, I'll be the check.
56:09 David Imel? So this is like a more thoughtful version of Apple's notification summaries. If you either have a very long message or you have a notification from a group chat, it will summarize it, but then you can click the little dropdown menu and it'll just show you the whole thing. It'll also show you like the messages from the group chat in the little dropdown thing, or it'll show you the whole message, but overall it'll just summarize it if it's a super long message or if it's a group chat.
56:34 Speaker 04 So it doesn't do like all notifications, it's just like per app?
56:38 David Imel? It's.
56:38 Speaker 04 And like group messages?
56:39 David Imel? Yeah, it's like in messages.
56:41 Andrew Manganelli? This is gonna hurt so much more when you get broken up with over a text message and it's a really long thoughtful thing and then Google's just like chain into you.
56:50 David Imel? Well, there's that famous like, cause you know how iMessage will do the like animations when you say certain words? There's like this famous screenshot where someone says, "Congrats, you threw away our entire relationship for a guy." And it's got the kid screaming.
57:05 Andrew Manganelli? On Samsung, it's like the wacky waving like inflatable arm guy.
57:12 David Imel? Topless. Okay, there's notification organizer, so now your notifications get separated into categories, which is so useful. So now it'll be like news, it'll be like, it'll be like offers, that kind of stuff, so you just, I love that. I think that's amazing.
57:28 Speaker 04 Where is this?
57:29 David Imel? In your notification shade.
57:31 Speaker 04 So they're just turning into like Gmail kind of?
57:33 David Imel? The old inbox app used to do that. Yeah, sort of.
57:36 Speaker 04 Like those like pre-made.
57:37 David Imel? You can kind of think about it in a similar way. Your notifications are like. Is this your inbox or your whole phone? Yeah. Basically? Yeah. Which is different types of stuff. Um, and it'll silence lower priority ones so that you don't have to deal with like random little offers and stuff like that, which is nice. They now have custom icon shapes, so you don't have to just be circles anymore, you can be like little weird X thing, you can be like.
58:00 Speaker 04 Squirls?
58:01 David Imel? Yeah, just different, there's like a triangle one, like a one that's like flat on the bottom, but then like a half circle on the top. Very strange. They're kind of just, you know, they're leaning into the material you kind of.
58:11 Speaker 01 A lot of other launchers have this too. It's just like one more customization for your home.
58:15 David Imel? Yeah, yeah. Expanded themed icons. So before it was like you would, you would theme all the icons, but there would be of course like one or two apps that didn't support it and it looked horrible. Now they truly will force it on every single app. So it will work for every single app.
58:32 Andrew Manganelli? Are you, are we sure? The amount of times I've heard this will for sure work.
58:36 Speaker 04 It does work.
58:37 Andrew Manganelli? But I will say it doesn't work in the drawer. The drawer is still just a regular.
58:41 David Imel? Yeah, which is.
58:42 Andrew Manganelli? I'm a little, I'm more okay with that, but.
58:45 David Imel? Yeah.
58:45 Andrew Manganelli? There, I'm, there will be one icon that does not work somehow.
58:49 Speaker 04 Well, Duolingo famously changes its icon all the time and it does have, like it did work on Duolingo. So if it worked on Duolingo, I would imagine it works on everything else.
58:57 David Imel? Yeah.
58:58 Andrew Manganelli? We did it.
59:01 David Imel? There's now an option to force dark mode on every app as well. So apps that don't have a dark mode, it'll basically just like invert the white colors to black, but it does it in a like smart, dynamic way.
59:12 Speaker 01 You know what happened to me recently? I saw a screenshot on Twitter of Spotify light mode. And I went, wait a minute. I've never seen Spotify light mode. And I actually went into Spotify and started digging through settings. I was like.
59:25 David Imel? Is there actually a light mode in settings?
59:27 Speaker 01 I found that there is not. Somebody just inverted Spotify.
59:31 David Imel? Oh.
59:32 Speaker 01 And it kind of looked decent. I'm sure AlbumArt looks weird, but um, yeah, there is no light modes for Spotify.
59:37 David Imel? Interesting.
59:38 Speaker 04 Yeah.
59:39 Andrew Manganelli? I'm, I'm interested in this one because without that, I already have this issue where sometimes on my Pixel, it decides that uh, so like the notification bar on the top that has my time and battery percentage, it won't invert that correctly with the mode of the app that I have open. So let's say I have YouTube open and it's got a white background. It won't change the time and battery to now invert to black. So now it's just fading into, we, I showed you this the other day. Or sometimes, yeah, like it's supposed to be black text and I have a dark mode thing. And I just lose my battery percentage.
1:00:13 David Imel? Yeah, cause it disappears.
1:00:15 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. And I'll close the app and open it back up and that'll fix it. But like, I have very little faith in this if it's already screwing up that normally.
1:00:22 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah. There's kind of just a lot of features that they announced a long time ago, but they're like, I swear it works now.
1:00:28 Andrew Manganelli? On God for real.
1:00:29 David Imel? On God for real.
1:00:30 Speaker 01 No cap, no cap.
1:00:31 David Imel? You have expanded split screen options to like have multiple apps up in and now you can, you can like drag one to like show the amount that you want the app to be open. There's even a 90/10 split, so you can have an app open 10% and then have the other app open 90%.
1:00:48 Speaker 01 Just like a sliver of the top of the app?
1:00:50 David Imel? Yeah, you got your little app ticker.
1:00:52 Andrew Manganelli? 90% waveform podcast, 10% homework notes you should really be studying.
1:00:58 David Imel? Exactly. So that's, that feels like they are putting it in it to prepare for more foldable stuff, to be honest, just to be able to be more, more malleable in that way. One of the biggest changes, which Adam actually posted about on threads, you can now, no, not on threads, he posted about this in the Slack, you can now adjust the intensity which HDR content displays. There's a slider now, so it'll show you like the brightness that the HDR content comes through.
1:01:24 Speaker 01 Dragging it all the way up.
1:01:26 David Imel? Marques.
1:01:26 Speaker 01 I'm dragging it all the way up.
1:01:27 Andrew Manganelli? That's what it was.
1:01:28 Speaker 01 I want it, I want to be scrolling with low brightness and I want to see your picture on Instagram and just boom.
1:01:35 Andrew Manganelli? Marques wants that flashbang in his bed.
1:01:38 Speaker 01 I want that impactful media.
1:01:41 David Imel? I just want to turn it all off.
1:01:42 Speaker 01 Turn it all the way up.
1:01:42 David Imel? I hate HDR. And then I wrote, thank [bleep] below that.
1:01:49 David Imel? Okay, there is a new remove toggle when you're removing apps from your home screens. Now you don't have to like click and drag to the little like X in the top or bottom or whatever. When you like, when you press on it, there's just a little remove like option.
1:02:04 Speaker 01 Lots of other launchers have that already also.
1:02:05 David Imel? Yeah, it's faster, yeah.
1:02:06 Speaker 01 Wait, no, just dragging it to this trash is faster.
1:02:09 David Imel? I don't think so, because you have to, you have to like long press it and then drag it?
1:02:12 Speaker 01 That's always been faster for me, because there's always like five little, there's like uninstall, view info, and then the short, whatever shortcuts there are, so if it's a calendar event, it'd be like. If you long press on the calendar icon, it'll show new event, view calendar, uninstall, close, remove, and I have to find remove every single time. So I just found that just highlighting and just dragging them to the trash is faster.
1:02:33 David Imel? Hmm. Adam, do you have this yet?
1:02:35 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's awesome. It's just like, um, not smart launcher.
1:02:40 Andrew Manganelli? Is there a chance you could accidentally press remove?
1:02:42 David Imel? Can you show?
1:02:43 Speaker 04 Yeah, it's
1:02:44 Speaker 01 You have to find it.
1:02:45 Speaker 04 You long press the icon and it just pops up like one of the little options there is just remove.
1:02:51 David Imel? So that's
1:02:51 Speaker 04 Yeah, Mark has had a bunch of other, yeah, a bunch of other
1:02:53 Andrew Manganelli? That's one of those things where I'm going to love that, but when my mom tells me like, Facebook is off my phone, it's like, you probably accidentally long pressed and hit remove.
1:03:02 David Imel? Oh my god.
1:03:02 Speaker 01 I have to find remove.
1:03:04 Andrew Manganelli? It's the top, it's the first one.
1:03:06 Speaker 01 It's in a different place every time. Like in Instagram, it was, it's the top this time.
1:03:11 Andrew Manganelli? Things change.
1:03:12 David Imel? There is a new quick adding of app shortcuts in that same menu.
1:03:17 Andrew Manganelli? Awesome.
1:03:17 David Imel? Yeah. So Adam, you want to explain that since you have a new phone?
1:03:20 Speaker 04 I have this already and this is basically the same little gesture. If you just like long press something, certain apps have like quick functions you can do, like for example, Duolingo, if I long press, will just say, do you want to open Duolingo or do you want to like jump straight into a lesson? So instead of always clicking Duolingo, always clicking to my most recent lesson, I can do one of these app shortcuts and just hit do a lesson and it pops up as like a little shortcut on my like home screen. So then I can remove the actual Duolingo app and just have that there. So I can just go straight into a lesson every time.
1:03:51 David Imel? That's nice.
1:03:52 Speaker 04 There's a bunch of other apps that like also have similar things like YouTube. You can jump straight into shorts if you want for some reason. You could jump into subscriptions.
1:04:03 David Imel? Of course they would add that.
1:04:04 Andrew Manganelli? I know.
1:04:06 Speaker 04 There's a reason I chose YouTube. But yeah, there's like a, not all apps have this. I think it needs to be like implemented by the developer privacy, but like the WNBA app, I just have it straight up to give me the schedule, just like the games, show me the next games. That's it. I don't need to go in through, looking through the whole app. Yeah, it's pretty cool.
1:04:21 David Imel? That's nice.
1:04:22 Andrew Manganelli? If Instagram has a shortcut to go straight to Reels, we just brought back IGTV.
1:04:28 David Imel? It's essentially what it was.
1:04:29 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:04:30 David Imel? Yeah.
1:04:30 Andrew Manganelli? It was a separate app.
1:04:31 David Imel? Just too early.
1:04:32 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:04:33 David Imel? Okay, there's a new widgets view. So if you, we remember Android only decided to care about widgets again after Apple started doing widget stuff, but better. Cause they hadn't updated them since like 2012. Now there's a very rich widget showcase that has two little options. There is a featured tab and there is a. I wrote it down here. Uh, where is it? Yeah. Featured tab. Oh, sorry. There's a featured tab and there is a browse tab. The featured tab will show like. The richest, most fun, most interesting widgets that it assumes you want to use. And then the browse will just like. Kind of showcase all the widgets. What's nice about it is that it's rich, so it shows them sort of moving and doing the things that they do.
1:05:14 David Imel? Instead of the old version of adding widgets where it was just like, you would just select from a number and you didn't really know what they looked like and all this stuff. Yeah, it's much better now.
1:05:24 David Imel? Quick share now allows you to do the tap thing that you can do on iPhones where you tap your phones together. So if you have quick share on, you can tap to connect to another.
1:05:34 Andrew Manganelli? Do you think that would work with an iPhone?
1:05:35 David Imel? No.
1:05:37 Andrew Manganelli? Do you think it does like a cool animation?
1:05:38 David Imel? No.
1:05:39 Andrew Manganelli? Really?
1:05:39 David Imel? It doesn't. I saw someone demo it. It doesn't do an animation.
1:05:42 Andrew Manganelli? How have I never realized that like? The tap to share thing is kind of like two phones dabbing each other up or like. Send me your contact info.
1:05:53 David Imel? Yeah.
1:05:53 Andrew Manganelli? Works to me.
1:05:54 Speaker 03 A lot of these features, this is the first time we've seen Google do Android stuff that iOS had already implemented and not the other way around.
1:06:03 David Imel? No, no, it's, it's, this has happened many times. They steal from each other.
1:06:06 Speaker 03 Okay. I, I thought it was always Apple just copying.
1:06:09 David Imel? It was at the beginning and then they would innovate and then Android was like.
1:06:13 Speaker 04 This is almost Google copying other launchers.
1:06:17 David Imel? Yeah.
1:06:17 Speaker 04 They're making a Pixel launcher just like straight up.
1:06:19 David Imel? They're Sherlocking other launchers.
1:06:20 Speaker 04 Yeah, just like, oh, you wanted this? Here it is. Now, if I could just get rid of the add a glance widget, that'd be great.
1:06:25 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, my God. Yeah, how is that not? I would return all of these just to remove add a glance on my home screen.
1:06:32 David Imel? Oh, my gosh.
1:06:33 Andrew Manganelli? It's insane. What is add a glance? It's, okay.
1:06:36 David Imel? Oh, God.
1:06:37 Andrew Manganelli? Here's my.
1:06:37 David Imel? I know what it is.
1:06:39 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis, this is why it's insane. It takes up a part of your home screen and can be a bunch of small, little notifications or the weather or time. You can turn it off, but it keeps it there. Just it doesn't give you the notifications. You can never take it off of your home screen.
1:06:56 David Imel? It's permanent real estate.
1:06:57 Andrew Manganelli? And it's just like the date. And then it just goes like the date and time, which I already have.
1:07:02 David Imel? In the corner.
1:07:03 Andrew Manganelli? In the corner. And I have my clock widget that I like. Clock widget is almost unnecessary with that, but I still prefer a bigger clock. But that means I also have to have add a glance. If there, if there's something I can't wait to be on killedbygoogle.com, it's add a glance widget.
1:07:22 David Imel? Okay, there are expanded biometrics options. So you can select apps that you want to force to use like face detection for phones that support, you know, face, their version of Face ID, which is, you know, not usually not IR, but you can force it to have additional security through face unlock, which is helpful. And then a little small thing, there's now a time zone changed notification that you can enable. So if you live in the European Union, you love trains and you're not sure.
1:07:55 Speaker 04 As you know.
1:07:55 David Imel? As you do. And you're not sure if your phone has updated the time zone yet, which is important for when you're setting calendar appointments and you're doing all that kind of stuff. You can now make it so your phone will give you a notification saying the time zone changed to this time zone.
1:08:10 Andrew Manganelli? That's sick.
1:08:10 David Imel? Yeah.
1:08:11 Speaker 04 Very useful.
1:08:12 Andrew Manganelli? I immediately thought of a short. Where you go on the the line of a time zone difference and you jump back and forth between it and see how many notifications.
1:08:21 Speaker 01 That's another one of those things. That's like oceans and seas. Like, when am I actually in the other time zone? Like, I know that there's a time zone line on a map, but is it really like a two foot difference between time zones? There's no way like I can step two feet over. Time isn't real, Marquez. I mean, I know that.
1:08:36 Andrew Manganelli? I think.
1:08:37 Speaker 01 Talk to Arizona. We know.
1:08:38 Andrew Manganelli? I think I'm developing this too much as like that one spot in Arizona where you can jump between like four states.
1:08:44 Speaker 01 Which that part is real, which is super cool. I just wonder like I know whenever I whenever I land at an airport in a new time zone and I take my phone off airplane mode, it takes like 10 seconds and it like goes, oh, you're on a new time zone. And it just changes the clock. Nothing happens. So it's like cool that it'll tell me I'm in a new time zone. But I do wonder, where exactly does that switch over? Yeah, there's probably, there's gotta be a little. I wanna know. I kinda wanna know.
1:09:10 Speaker 03 What do you mean? It's just the state lines.
1:09:12 Speaker 01 Yeah, but is it?
1:09:13 Speaker 03 In the US, it's the state line.
1:09:14 Speaker 01 So if I, because when I'm driving on a road and I see the welcome to New York sign, that's not the exact state line. That's often like 800 yards later.
1:09:23 Speaker 03 If there's no people in a place, it doesn't matter what time it is.
1:09:27 Speaker 01 Yeah. Multiple states have, and it's not the state line. But there's a, there's a time zone line, let's say in Ohio, right?
1:09:36 Speaker 03 Michigan. Michigan, Michigan's the farthest one.
1:09:38 Speaker 01 Alright, so if I live on one side of the line and I drive my car to the next town over on the other side of the line, my phone will switch.
1:09:47 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:09:48 Speaker 01 At what moment is my phone triggered to switch? Is it when my GPS coordinates are exactly one meter past an exact line, which is somewhere?
1:09:57 Speaker 03 I would imagine so, yeah.
1:09:58 Speaker 01 And then can I just ping back and forth over that line by like two yards and switch my time zone back and forth? This is useless.
1:10:05 Andrew Manganelli? I think it will, yeah, yeah.
1:10:06 Speaker 03 No, I would imagine so, yeah.
1:10:08 Andrew Manganelli? I just wanna check. I don't think it's, I don't think it's state lines.
1:10:11 Speaker 03 Really?
1:10:12 Andrew Manganelli? Which is confusing.
1:10:13 Speaker 03 Are there states in multiple time zones?
1:10:14 Andrew Manganelli? According to this map, and this is not an AI overview.
1:10:18 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:10:19 Andrew Manganelli? Um, but it's funny because I didn't think it. Then you said that I was like, that would make the most sense. Like, because it's weird to be in the same state on multiple lines.
1:10:27 Speaker 04 Time zones in general don't make sense. Tom Scott has a great video about this from like a decade.
1:10:31 Andrew Manganelli? I, that's all you have to tell me and I agree.
1:10:34 David Imel? I just would like to, this is like, this is something I would do for a YouTube short is just go to the line with my phone and just walk across the line and see what happens.
1:10:42 Andrew Manganelli? Well, what's confusing though also else is it looks like sometimes it uses a state line and sometimes it doesn't.
1:10:49 David Imel? That's wrong.
1:10:50 Andrew Manganelli? It seems like Texas.
1:10:52 Speaker 03 Kansas? Brutal.
1:10:57 Speaker 03 For more than that reason.
1:11:00 Andrew Manganelli? I don't even talk about time zones.
1:11:03 Speaker 03 Oh no, I was right. Michigan is the far, I mean, unless you count that little sliver of Indiana.
1:11:06 David Imel? It's a little sliver of Indiana.
1:11:08 Speaker 03 Yeah, but that's why Michigan is so fun in the summer because it's so far west that the sun doesn't set until like nine or 10 p.m.
1:11:18 David Imel? That's nice. That's awesome.
1:11:18 Speaker 03 It's so fun.
1:11:19 Andrew Manganelli? Wow. Isn't there a city in Michigan that you yelled at a couple of months ago? Anyway. Detroit?
1:11:26 Speaker 03 What's really funny is I talk all this smack about Detroit, which then gets cut from the podcast, I really hope. But my Safari, uh, my, my Safari, like when I open Safari, the default background is Cade Cunningham. So playoff Cade.
1:11:39 David Imel? All right. That was a basketball reference. Cave's really good right now.
1:11:42 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Chris Paul too.
1:11:45 Speaker 03 Too soon.
1:11:47 Andrew Manganelli? That's gonna age really poorly if something crazy comes out in the next two days.
1:11:53 David Imel? Anyway, are they like, okay, anyway, sorry, time zone change.
1:11:57 Speaker 03 Not gonna answer that.
1:11:58 David Imel? Time zone change on Android, biggest feature. Um, that's about it for that. So, so if you've got a Pixel or you're on Android, exciting times. It's kinda, I'm kinda jealous. I've been on iOS for a little bit now and I'm pretty jealous that they just get like random feature drops like this.
1:12:14 Speaker 03 I will say, it has been very nice being on Android this time around.
1:12:17 David Imel? Yeah.
1:12:18 Speaker 03 Like every year I jump back and forth and I stand by it that iOS I think has better apps. But Android as an operating system is so fun.
1:12:27 David Imel? Dude, it's so much more fun. Liquid, liquid ass is so bad. It's so bad. And like, and material three expressive, horrible name, is great.
1:12:38 Speaker 03 Or like material pee expressive.
1:12:44 Andrew Manganelli? It was on print.
1:12:46 David Imel? Yeah, well, it's good.
1:12:47 Speaker 01 Material limoncello.
1:12:48 David Imel? Right, right, limoncello.
1:12:50 Speaker 01 Do you want to talk about YouTube recaps?
1:12:51 Andrew Manganelli? Why don't we make after the next ad break, all our recap?
1:12:55 David Imel? All the recaps.
1:12:56 Andrew Manganelli? Because it's all recap news.
1:12:58 David Imel? Yeah, that's true. All right, just to wrap it up. Related to last week, last week, we talked about how DJI, or maybe it was two weeks ago, I don't know. It was either the last week or the week before. I don't know what time zone I was in.
1:13:11 David Imel? So we talked about how DJI might get banned from the United States before the end of the year because of this. They have to do a security clearance thing that they're probably not going to do because they're lazy. And if that happens, that would be weird because the Osmo Pocket 4, which if for those that don't know, the Osmo Pocket is probably DJI's most popular product for creators. It's this little tiny thing that's basically a smartphone sensor, but I don't know why people buy it, but they like it.
1:13:37 Speaker 01 It's pretty good.
1:13:37 David Imel? It's good. It's popular. The Pocket 4 just passed the FCC, which is the Federal Communications Commission in the United States. It was just certified by the FCC, which means it is, its launch is usually quite imminent after things pass the FCC, like within a month or two, but they're going to be banned within three weeks. So the options here are like, they pass the FCC, but they just never sell it in the US? Or it passes the FCC and it's sold for two weeks?
1:14:08 Speaker 01 If it passes the FCC, would they revert it? Because once it's banned, everything, everything they make, period, is banned?
1:14:14 David Imel? They can't import any devices into the United States after that. So unless they did the Nintendo Switch 2 thing where they just fly as many in as possible.
1:14:23 Speaker 01 I was picturing a timeline where they're like, this just got approved. Everyone scrambles, ship as many to the US as possible and just store them somewhere. So that when they get banned, we can at least profit from selling the ones that we made over the line.
1:14:34 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:34 Speaker 01 Before the door closed.
1:14:35 David Imel? It is possible.
1:14:36 Speaker 01 That's crazy.
1:14:37 David Imel? Yeah, it's crazy. So it's kind of like a will they, won't they kind of thing.
1:14:43 David Imel? Or we'll just go to Canada.
1:14:44 Speaker 01 Buy one from Best Buy in Canada.
1:14:46 David Imel? Oh, true. Yeah, I guess I could do that.
1:14:48 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:14:49 David Imel? Anyway, okay, we're gonna do trivia and then we're gonna recap our years
1:14:53 Speaker 01 All the things.
1:14:54 David Imel? through various data tracking algorithms. And we're gonna like it.
1:14:59 Speaker 03 But first, I have to correct myself. One, Andrew, thank you for pointing out that I do not know how time zones work. Totally lie.
1:15:06 Andrew Manganelli? I realize I know way less about time zones than I thought I did.
1:15:09 Speaker 03 Time.gov is a really cool website I found.
1:15:11 David Imel? I love it.
1:15:12 Speaker 03 The second correction is earlier I said in between 10 and 30% of Meta's profits come from scams. Allegedly, I was wrong about that. The Reuters article claims that Meta internal documents say that 10% of their profits come from scams. Adam?
1:15:31 David Imel? What does Arizona think they're so much better than everybody else?
1:15:34 Andrew Manganelli? They're right.
1:15:35 David Imel? Arizona mountain standard time.
1:15:37 Speaker 01 Come on, y'all.
1:15:38 David Imel? Come on, guys.
1:15:38 Speaker 01 But also, we kind of are jealous a little bit.
1:15:40 David Imel? I'm pretty jealous.
1:15:41 Andrew Manganelli? Very jealous.
1:15:41 David Imel? They just never have to deal with this bullshit.
1:15:43 Speaker 03 Basically, daylight savings. Question number two. So we just spent most of that segment talking about all the new Android features in the QPR2 release, right?
1:15:54 David Imel? Yeah, yeah.
1:15:54 Speaker 03 What does that stand for?
1:15:56 David Imel? I have an idea, but I'm not sure.
1:15:58 Andrew Manganelli? Zero.
1:15:59 David Imel? I forgot.
1:15:59 Speaker 01 I did know this like a couple of months ago, and I just don't remember anymore at all. It's totally escaped me. Which means I'm gonna guess, and then r/Android is going to declare me an idiot.
1:16:11 Speaker 03 Well, that's just like...
1:16:11 David Imel? That's already happened. That's already happened.
1:16:13 Speaker 01 That's unavoidable. I just was forecasting a little bit.
1:16:17 Speaker 03 Fun fact, the people who make QPR2 are the same people that make the mayonnaise. You know, that was originally gonna be my question, but I was like, they're not gonna know what I'm talking about.
1:16:25 David Imel? I love QP mayonnaise.
1:16:26 Speaker 03 QP mayonnaise.
1:16:27 David Imel? Rich brought in QP mayonnaise.
1:16:29 Speaker 03 Eric brought it.
1:16:30 Speaker 01 Eric brought the QP mayonnaise. That did happen. All right, well, we'll all either know it, or we'll take a guess. And answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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1:18:34 Speaker 01 All right, this week YouTube proved that they do at least hear what we are saying to them. Because they announced a feature that I, and others, Hank Green notably, have been pitching on Twitter for years since they killed YouTube Rewind, which is, we want wrapped.
1:18:53 David Imel? I still want them to call it Rewind.
1:18:54 Speaker 01 I want, I, I said they should have called it Rewind, and that's totally fine, I get it, they want to abandon the name, but the idea would be, I just want to know like, all the stats and numbers and insights and analytics from the videos that I watched on YouTube this year. I watch a lot of YouTube. And, contra, or kinda similarly to Spotify wrapped, I feel like it's kind of like a window into who you are. It's kind of like an interesting insight into your year. So, YouTube did finally do that this year, and it's rolling out this week. Almost all of us have it, Andrew still hasn't gotten it, it's supposed to be like, this week globally.
1:19:27 Andrew Manganelli? Arguably the most Google faithful here.
1:19:29 Speaker 01 With the Google phone, doesn't have it yet. But, it's called YouTube Recaps, and if you do have it, you can open it up, it's in your account page, and it can walk you through, it was, it's kinda like a first gen product. It's not the most insightful thing in the world, but it shows you like, the channels you watch the most, and like, the genres you watch the most, and it's kinda interesting, and I feel like I've had some things that I learned, and some things that were like, clearly wrong in there.
1:19:51 David Imel? Yeah.
1:19:51 Speaker 01 But, uh, it was cool. It did, I think my most interesting stat is I watched, allegedly, 1,880 channels this year.
1:19:59 David Imel? Oh my god.
1:20:01 Speaker 01 I watched 538. You watched 3 times as much YouTube as me.
1:20:05 Andrew Manganelli? Do you scroll shorts on there?
1:20:06 Speaker 01 Uh, on the YouTube app?
1:20:07 David Imel? Does that count?
1:20:08 Speaker 01 Yeah, that would count.
1:20:09 Andrew Manganelli? That has to count.
1:20:10 David Imel? Really?
1:20:10 Andrew Manganelli? I could see that fly.
1:20:12 Speaker 01 That shouldn't. Well, it's interesting, yeah, I guess that would instantly bump up the number of channels you watch.
1:20:16 David Imel? This doesn't show any shorts channels when I look at the channels, though.
1:20:19 Speaker 01 It also didn't.
1:20:20 Andrew Manganelli? What do you mean?
1:20:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:20:22 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, like, these 2 have shorts on them, so like...
1:20:25 David Imel? I mean, they have shorts on them, but they're not main shorts.
1:20:27 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, but it still can show up in the shorts.
1:20:29 Speaker 01 This could just be long form. It could be. I'm not sure that it includes shorts, and it doesn't say, there's no like, numbers to any of this, it's just kinda telling me like, here's what you watched, but I feel like this could just be long form.
1:20:40 David Imel? Well, my top channel?
1:20:42 Speaker 01 Is the waveform podcast. Hell, yeah. I bet some people watching this, their top channel is waveform podcast. Yeah. Uh, so shout out to you guys. Maybe send us the screenshots on Twitter.
1:20:50 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, they have.
1:20:50 Speaker 01 Oh, they have. Appreciate it all.
1:20:53 Andrew Manganelli? I would argue, most people watching this probably has it as their top channel, because if you watch it on YouTube, the hours you are putting in.
1:20:59 Speaker 01 That's true.
1:21:00 Andrew Manganelli? It's just default.
1:21:01 Speaker 01 And again, it doesn't. It doesn't say how it's measuring it. Is it by hours? Is it by total views? Is it by percentage of catalog watched? Cause I saw a couple of channels in here that like, I haven't watched that many videos of them, but. I'm in the top 3% of waveform viewers. That's pretty definitive. You watch a lot of it and most, more than most people. And I make a lot of it.
1:21:21 Speaker 03 How many channels did you say you watched?
1:21:23 Speaker 01 Mine said 1,880 channels.
1:21:25 Speaker 03 Okay, I, I got 1,707.
1:21:28 Speaker 01 Hell, yeah.
1:21:29 Andrew Manganelli? Do you watch shorts on YouTube?
1:21:30 Speaker 03 No.
1:21:30 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:21:31 Speaker 01 So, yeah, it feels like it could just be long form. And then it shows like a screenshot of like a bunch of channels and it seems like it's. So while I'm playing Dota, you're watching YouTube. Yeah.
1:21:39 Speaker 03 What I.
1:21:39 Andrew Manganelli? Elvis is sleeping.
1:21:40 Speaker 03 The thing is that, Mark has, you were not on the list of my tech channels that I watched.
1:21:45 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:21:45 Speaker 03 You were, you were categorized in my recap as a business insights channel.
1:21:49 Speaker 01 Oh, that's really interesting.
1:21:50 Speaker 03 Yeah, the number one business insights reviewer in the world.
1:21:53 Speaker 01 Business, I mean, I'll take it.
1:21:56 Andrew Manganelli? I saw someone say that waveform clips was categorized under gaming.
1:21:59 Speaker 01 Yeah, I saw that too.
1:22:00 Andrew Manganelli? We know a lot about gaming. We've never had anything wrong about it.
1:22:03 Speaker 03 We are the Nintendo Switch 2 podcast.
1:22:06 Andrew Manganelli? Honestly, maybe that's why.
1:22:08 Speaker 01 There's a good amount, so it gives me. YouTube recap gave me my top three genres. So one was tech news, two was sports content, three was comedy. Didn't know that, but I guess that's technically true. Uh, and then it gives me a couple of other things. It doesn't show me, I would say Spotify rap is a more developed product. Yeah. With more interesting insights. Very developed. But shout out to YouTube for actually listening. This is a good first try. Now, next year.
1:22:35 Andrew Manganelli? Do better.
1:22:35 Speaker 01 Build in some interesting like, like, number crunching or like insights like how many hours of YouTube did I watch this year? I want to know that. I want to know, uh, something Spotify did this year with Rapped is they analyzed your listening history and just came up with a, a listening age. And it gives you a number of like, you have the listening habits of a 20 year old or a 70 year old. Um, interestingly, today is my 32nd birthday and it said mine was exactly 32. Hilarious.
1:23:07 David Imel? Crazy.
1:23:07 Speaker 01 Um, I also think like if Amazon did a Rapped, it would know way too much about you to get it wrong. And it would just tell you your exact age.
1:23:14 Andrew Manganelli? This is totally not because I'm really salty that I'm the only person here without recap right now. I feel like, like the reason Spotify Rapped works so well is because it has a singular day where everybody is sharing it. So to roll this out gradually and like not have everyone having it and sharing it at the same time. It's just the amount of people who are gonna be like, oh, I'm hyped. I want to go look at it. And it's not in your profile. You've just lost.
1:23:39 Speaker 01 Sounds like a you problem. Yeah.
1:23:41 David Imel? YouTube problem.
1:23:42 Speaker 01 Well, YouTube rolls out features in stages and waves a lot. And I, I almost wonder if they even have the ability to like, I mean, other than removing the like dislike button.
1:23:51 David Imel? They can do it.
1:23:52 Andrew Manganelli? They're a trillion dollar company. They can do this.
1:23:54 Speaker 01 They should be able to pull, they should be able to hit a button and every single thing on the second largest website on the planet should change.
1:23:59 David Imel? What was your YouTube award? Mine is the most likely to have the latest tech and still know the best local coffee shop.
1:24:06 Speaker 01 That is extremely accurate. That's pretty specific.
1:24:10 David Imel? Extremely accurate.
1:24:11 Speaker 03 Mine was the most likely to know what's going on behind the scenes of a news story before other people have heard the news story.
1:24:19 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
1:24:20 Speaker 01 That's also very specific.
1:24:21 Andrew Manganelli? That's not insinuating.
1:24:23 Speaker 01 You just know.
1:24:23 Speaker 03 I'm a fucking genius, right?
1:24:26 David Imel? He's the one that committed the crime.
1:24:29 David Imel? My award is most likely to find the coolest new gadget before everyone else.
1:24:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, that's mine.
1:24:35 David Imel? That seems pretty generic.
1:24:36 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:24:37 David Imel? To be honest. Are you the curious mind? I'm the curious mind. I'm the That's my personality. The wonder seeker.
1:24:42 Andrew Manganelli? I'm the wonder seeker. Marquez, do we have the same YouTube recaps?
1:24:45 David Imel? Maybe. Tech product reviews.
1:24:47 Andrew Manganelli? Did you also, was Bad Bunny also your top listen to?
1:24:49 David Imel? No, I've never heard a Bad Bunny song in its entirety.
1:24:52 Andrew Manganelli? That is a lie.
1:24:53 David Imel? In its entirety?
1:24:55 Andrew Manganelli? Bad Bunny was yours?
1:24:56 Speaker 07 Yeah.
1:24:57 David Imel? On my Spotify?
1:24:58 Speaker 07 Hey!
1:24:59 Andrew Manganelli? Bad Booney.
1:25:00 David Imel? Yeah.
1:25:00 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know that line in the office where he's like, "I love inside jokes. I'd love to be part of one one day." That's how I feel right now with all you guys. I don't know what any of you are talking about.
1:25:09 David Imel? You know, it's funny, after you watch your YouTube recap, it has you do a questionnaire to whether or not you think that it It was good. It was good or not. Hey. Whether or not it actually, it says, "Rate your level of agreement. This recap reflects who I am, my interest preferences, et cetera." It's, they're trying.
1:25:24 Andrew Manganelli? The first screen, if you look, very small text at the bottom, it says, "AI can make mistakes." So it was definitely made with AI.
1:25:31 David Imel? Damn. I mean, I don't, I'm not shocked. Microsoft uses AI. Yeah, I can make mistakes. It does say that, very tiny, very small text. I'm sorry, Andrew. Yeah.
1:25:40 Andrew Manganelli? Anyway. So irrationally mad about it.
1:25:44 David Imel? It's kind of like
1:25:45 Andrew Manganelli? And before everyone asks my, I don't have my history deleted or anything, like I don't have any of the special things that would not let me have it. YouTube just hates me.
1:25:53 David Imel? Well, I still have my Google Photos recap, which was what we were about to talk about.
1:25:57 Andrew Manganelli? No, I don't have that either. That I do have, which is
1:26:00 David Imel? You have it?
1:26:00 Andrew Manganelli? I do have that.
1:26:01 David Imel? Wow. So Google gave that
1:26:03 Andrew Manganelli? Do you want to go to that? Yeah, we'll go to Google. Are you guys done with?
1:26:05 David Imel? We'll just finish up Google, yeah.
1:26:06 Andrew Manganelli? YouTube recap?
1:26:07 David Imel? Yeah. Still should have been called, should have been called YouTube.
1:26:10 Andrew Manganelli? Agreed, that's the
1:26:11 David Imel? And I, I do want to say really quickly, I know that YouTube Rewind got progressively more cringe, but I like, I feel like there's something cultural about that, you know?
1:26:19 Andrew Manganelli? Keep the name, like, own the name. I know if, they must have really, really realized how bad it was.
1:26:26 David Imel? Corporate wanted to bury it, but it would have been way better to own it. What has changed though, like, that, this is something I've been thinking about a lot recently. There's not really like, a singular cultural event that everyone, like, it doesn't happen that much anymore, that there is one topic that everyone is watching and seeing and talking about. So. Because of algorithmic timelines and everything being curated to for you. So now like the YouTube rewind. You know, it already felt a little out of touch because it would be some like. Artists that you hadn't you've never heard of them before. And it was like, oh, they were really popular. That's crazy. But now it'd be like, I would not recognize literally anything that happened on it.
1:27:04 Speaker 01 Which is why this is a perfect replacement for it. So it's just telling you about yourself and what you watch.
1:27:09 David Imel? But I want to feel more connected to the world.
1:27:11 Speaker 01 That's why the best YouTube rewinds, the best YouTube rewinds were the first few where it was just the extremely, extremely small selection of the couple of memes.
1:27:21 David Imel? Yeah.
1:27:21 Speaker 01 Everyone was aware of.
1:27:23 David Imel? Which there are like no memes that everyone's aware of anymore.
1:27:26 Speaker 01 There's only like five, like six, exactly. Six, seven. You've all seen it.
1:27:29 David Imel? The only thing.
1:27:30 Speaker 01 They've all heard, you've all seen maybe like one major sports event of the year.
1:27:35 David Imel? Yeah, I was gonna say sports.
1:27:36 Speaker 01 Major cultural like event or one or two celebrities that like. Had a big moment or something like that. That would be it.
1:27:44 David Imel? But I feel like.
1:27:45 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, in tech space, even now, the Android releases are not going to be like a big Android 17.
1:27:50 David Imel? I know.
1:27:50 Andrew Manganelli? They're all just coming out all the time constantly.
1:27:53 David Imel? There used to be stuff every day on Twitter that we would, they would be the topic of the day. That does not happen almost at all anymore.
1:28:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:28:02 David Imel? Every now and then, but not very often.
1:28:04 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:28:04 David Imel? If you were in charge.
1:28:06 Speaker 01 If you were in charge of YouTube Rewind today and you were trying to do it the same style as the last few rewinds, you have a list like 70 pages long of things to include and it would just be impossible.
1:28:15 David Imel? Yeah.
1:28:15 Speaker 01 So glad they didn't try that.
1:28:17 David Imel? Like K-pop.
1:28:18 Speaker 03 Yeah, I feel like it'd be like.
1:28:19 David Imel? K-pop Demon Hunters.
1:28:20 Speaker 03 K-pop Demon Hunters, Coffeezilla.
1:28:22 David Imel? K-pop.
1:28:23 Speaker 03 Like, I feel like this was kind of his breakout year. Or did he start?
1:28:25 David Imel? No. That was like two to three years ago. His breakout year was probably two to three years ago.
1:28:32 Andrew Manganelli? I think when like the bigger NFT crypto scam.
1:28:35 David Imel? Yeah, the 2022.
1:28:37 Andrew Manganelli? It might be longer than last year.
1:28:38 Speaker 03 No, no, no, no, no. In 2022, I think he was still a coffee channel.
1:28:42 Andrew Manganelli? I didn't even know he was a coffee channel.
1:28:44 David Imel? Doing a lot of the crypto stuff during the metaverse wave.
1:28:48 Andrew Manganelli? His most popular video, three years ago, four years ago, two years ago, two years ago.
1:28:52 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah.
1:28:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:28:55 David Imel? Twenty twenty two.
1:28:56 Andrew Manganelli? Probably actually two years ago was his really big year.
1:28:59 David Imel? The biggest YouTubers were still Mr. Beast and like the most obvious ones that you're thinking of. T series.
1:29:06 Andrew Manganelli? And that's fine.
1:29:06 David Imel? All right. Tell us about Google Photos recap that apparently only you have, Andrew. Yeah, this is the pixel reward.
1:29:12 Andrew Manganelli? This is, this is my pixel reward, not the other Google product from YouTube. Um, I mean, Google Photos is awesome already in that it does a lot of these like memories together or like this day back, like photos from this day in previous years. Um, but it pretty much just gives you at the top of your screen, a like twenty twenty five year recap. Um, and you just scroll through it and it pretty much is just going to show the people you took the most photos of. I have eighteen hundred photos of Lane apparently from this year. Which is then funny because then it's Claire and then my, the third person is just Lane, but it doesn't
1:29:50 Andrew Manganelli? put Lane's name to the face. So, uh, but yeah, it's just kind of going through all how, people you've taken photos of.
1:30:00 Andrew Manganelli? You know, mine is just all Lane pretty much, but exploring new places, things you've done. I've gone to a lot of Devil's Games, theme parks, I guess. It's.
1:30:10 David Imel? It's another good service to have a rewind.
1:30:12 Andrew Manganelli? And then it throws some videos at the end, just like clips them all together, which is awesome. I think as a parent right now.
1:30:19 David Imel? Yeah.
1:30:19 Andrew Manganelli? This is like one of the coolest things ever.
1:30:21 David Imel? Maybe that's why I gave it to you first.
1:30:23 Andrew Manganelli? Possibly. Um, and this is really cool because I can share it just through Google Photos with other people. I, I think like, one last thing about.
1:30:32 David Imel? Yeah.
1:30:32 Andrew Manganelli? Harping on being a parent is like, you have a kid, start a shared Google Photos album with everyone who might take pictures of them that they can then look at and it's the best thing ever.
1:30:42 David Imel? Yeah.
1:30:42 Andrew Manganelli? I, I think that's really awesome.
1:30:44 David Imel? Yeah. They also added a new feature to this Google Photos recap where you can now export directly to CapCut. For some reason, it's specifically CapCut and they have a bunch of different templates where you can put different photo reel stuff in it.
1:31:02 David Imel? Yeah, I guess it's like they really want you to make a short out of it or something.
1:31:06 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure to share it.
1:31:07 David Imel? Yeah.
1:31:08 Andrew Manganelli? The other funny thing is there's also an option called replace people or photos. So I guess if you, cause I guess we all take photos of like random things all the time, maybe a receipt.
1:31:18 David Imel? Yeah.
1:31:19 Andrew Manganelli? Maybe just like, this is where I am. So like, if that happens to pop up, you can replace the photo. Replace people is really funny. I guess maybe if you take too many photos at like work and there's someone from work that you don't want to be with all your other family members, I'm assuming it will take out the couple slides that's dedicated to that person.
1:31:37 David Imel? The tags that recognizes, yeah.
1:31:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. So you can edit it.
1:31:42 Speaker 04 I'm glad because not to go dark, but that could also be a thing if you lost a family member this year and then it's giving you a recap of like.
1:31:49 David Imel? Yeah.
1:31:50 Speaker 04 Look at all these pictures and I don't want to see that right now.
1:31:53 David Imel? That might be like good to see the memories of the person, but like if you broke up with somebody, then you don't want to see the memories of the person.
1:31:58 Speaker 04 Yeah.
1:31:59 David Imel? Yeah. I can see that. Well, that's depressing.
1:32:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:32:02 David Imel? Spotify.
1:32:05 David Imel? Um, is the next one. Spotify got kicked off this whole like recap thing and now frigging eight sleep is probably doing a recap. Wait, I want that. How you slept this year. Wait, I want that. Eight sleep wrapped?
1:32:18 Speaker 04 I didn't get the Spotify age thing.
1:32:20 Andrew Manganelli? You didn't?
1:32:21 Speaker 04 No.
1:32:21 David Imel? It's in, it's in the.
1:32:22 Speaker 04 I know, I was looking.
1:32:23 Andrew Manganelli? In your rap, it didn't, huh?
1:32:25 Speaker 04 No, I guess I'm timeless.
1:32:28 Andrew Manganelli? That's what I want to ask. I think there was two main things in raps this year that were different that were fun. And one is it calculates your age based on music you listen to. And also the last one was towards the end, it created files of kind of like your most music listening day. It would be like the day you listen to the most different genres, the day you listen to this one artist too many times and had a little recap, but I wanted to ask what everyone's listening age was.
1:32:56 Speaker 04 Mine is forty seven.
1:32:57 Andrew Manganelli? Forty seven?
1:32:58 David Imel? Mine is thirty two.
1:32:59 Andrew Manganelli? Thirty two. That's hilarious because it's your birthday.
1:33:01 David Imel? Yeah.
1:33:02 Andrew Manganelli? I think David and I are on the older end.
1:33:03 David Imel? Mine was eighty seven.
1:33:05 Andrew Manganelli? I thought it was seventy two.
1:33:07 David Imel? Oh, was it seventy two?
1:33:08 Andrew Manganelli? Mine was, so mine's kind of interesting because it's also old. I believe it's sixty eight. The only thing is. And Marques had an interesting point about this, so maybe he's right. I listen to a lot of older music.
1:33:21 David Imel? Oh, seventy-three.
1:33:21 Andrew Manganelli? Seventy-three, okay.
1:33:22 David Imel? Sorry, not eighty-seven. Alice doesn't have it.
1:33:24 Andrew Manganelli? That's wild.
1:33:25 David Imel? Yeah. Who is the oldest?
1:33:26 Andrew Manganelli? It knows you make fun of Spotify all the time.
1:33:28 David Imel? I'm the enigma, baby. I mean, my genres are indie pop, ska punk, Minneapolis sound, whatever that means. That's Prince. Pop and alternative rock. And how is that seventy-three?
1:33:41 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's more based on when the music came out and when you're in a process, it'd be.
1:33:46 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, it plays Joni Mitchell when I, um.
1:33:49 Andrew Manganelli? Mine's, wait, mine played Bruce Springsteen when it said sixty-eight, but it also said in my top genres, number four was lullaby because of how many things I played for Lane, which makes me wonder if my age should be way higher and that's actually pulling my average down really hard, but then you said.
1:34:05 David Imel? I thought it was interesting, like, obviously, a lot of one-year-olds listen to lullabies, but maybe they're not the ones listening to it on Spotify. It's their parents who are listening to the lullabies on their Spotify, so it knows based on you listening to lullabies that you are around a parent's age.
1:34:19 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:34:20 David Imel? Potentially. Great point. They also just know how old you are.
1:34:24 Andrew Manganelli? That was the thing. I, I think you just, it just knows that, but it's supposed to just tell you your listening age. It's just sad that mine's the same as my age. If it was just trying to actually guess our age, it's all really bad.
1:34:34 David Imel? It's perfect.
1:34:35 Andrew Manganelli? It's boring.
1:34:35 David Imel? I also found a very funny, I, I forgot to mention this. I found a very funny bug in the YouTube recap. So as many people know, I watch almost every video at, at least two X speed.
1:34:48 Andrew Manganelli? Unfortunately.
1:34:48 David Imel? The YouTube music, the YouTube recap will play music in the background based on a song that you've listened to through YouTube Music, apparently. I don't really know how it picks it, but if the last video that you watched on YouTube before you start your recap, you were watching at two X speed or, or something else, it plays that song at two to three X speed.
1:35:08 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:35:08 David Imel? Nice. So watch this. So if I, I don't know if we can play this because I, copyright, but if I switch, let me just switch this playback speed to, to three X. Okay.
1:35:18 Andrew Manganelli? You're just in like a random video right now?
1:35:20 David Imel? Just a random video. And then I go to my YouTube recap.
1:35:28 David Imel? And it's like doing the recap, but it's like playing it at 3X.
1:35:33 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, can you find royalty free music to do this?
1:35:36 David Imel? It just picks. No, no, you don't get to pick. Only does your most played song through YouTube Music as your background.
1:35:41 Speaker 03 Streetlight Manifesto sped up just sounds like Through the Fire and Flame.
1:35:44 David Imel? I thought it was Through the Fire and Flame. Yeah, well, that song's not technically out yet, so maybe it's not copyrighted.
1:35:52 Speaker 03 I'm pretty sure Through the Fire and Flame's been out for quite some time, baby.
1:35:57 David Imel? I played Through the Fire and Flame at a party and someone was like, what is this? And I was like, oh, my God. Is that person uncultured?
1:36:03 Andrew Manganelli? That's why your listening age is 73.
1:36:07 David Imel? Dragonforce. That is really funny.
1:36:10 Andrew Manganelli? Well, anyway, if you guys, if you guys have us on your wrapped or your recap, because we could be on your YouTube recap or your Spotify wrapped, send it to us.
1:36:21 David Imel? Yeah.
1:36:21 Andrew Manganelli? I want to see it.
1:36:22 David Imel? Yeah, I want to see it.
1:36:23 Andrew Manganelli? I also wanted to end this with one other wrapped we got is in Megaphone, we get wrapped for creators, which if you guys want to open the link, you can, we have not looked at this, but this is basically our wrapped for waveform of people who listen to us. I thought we'd go through it really quick. I think we usually do this every year. So if you guys want to pull it up at the production desk, let's go. 2025, this year is quite the year for you. Scroll down.
1:36:50 Speaker 03 This is just on Spotify or is this across?
1:36:52 Andrew Manganelli? Well, no, Megaphone is across all audio.
1:36:54 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:36:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. So this should do everything. It's just that Megaphone's owned by Spotify now. So little proof that hard work pays off. 2.3 million total plays. Again, audio only. 9% increase of total audience from last year.
1:37:08 Speaker 03 Okay.
1:37:09 Andrew Manganelli? 122,000 total new audience. Wait, what? Isn't that what we just, a total audience, total new audience, 56.8K, up 350% from last year.
1:37:21 David Imel? Our audience. I'm not sure how it's.
1:37:23 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know what that means.
1:37:25 David Imel? Well, this is audio, right? This is, this is just through Spotify? Or is this?
1:37:29 Andrew Manganelli? No, it's Megaphone. This is all, this is what pushes to RSS.
1:37:32 David Imel? Yeah. It's cool.
1:37:34 Andrew Manganelli? That sounds like a totally wrong number. Total followers, 274,000, up 7% from last year.
1:37:41 David Imel? Is that right?
1:37:42 Andrew Manganelli? 52.6 million minutes of listening.
1:37:46 David Imel? How many, uh, do I have more hours in Dota 2 than?
1:37:48 Andrew Manganelli? Hours, well, here we go. Hours of listening, 877,000 hours of listening.
1:37:53 David Imel? Pretty close.
1:37:54 Andrew Manganelli? That is 36.5,000 days, 5.2,000 weeks.
1:38:01 David Imel? Is that just this year?
1:38:02 Andrew Manganelli? 1.2,000 months and 100 years, centennial.
1:38:09 David Imel? Wow.
1:38:10 Speaker 04 We're a blue zone.
1:38:11 Andrew Manganelli? This is our centennial.
1:38:14 Speaker 03 Blue zone. That's so many dishes.
1:38:17 David Imel? It's a lot of dishes.
1:38:18 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, is that it?
1:38:19 Speaker 04 Yeah, that's it.
1:38:20 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, wait, no, no, the charts.
1:38:21 David Imel? Number nine?
1:38:22 Andrew Manganelli? We hit number.
1:38:24 David Imel? Number nine, what?
1:38:25 Andrew Manganelli? The charts, Waveform FKBHD Podcast, you hit number nine.
1:38:29 David Imel? Like total?
1:38:30 Speaker 03 Number nine, we're sorry. We know we had hands. We didn't think it hurt that bad.
1:38:35 David Imel? Do we hit the number nine?
1:38:37 Andrew Manganelli? I just, what is the chart? It just says the charts. You were on the charts for 43 weeks. You charted in eight countries.
1:38:44 David Imel? That's not me.
1:38:46 Speaker 03 What does that mean?
1:38:47 David Imel? Clearly, they did not put as much work into.
1:38:49 Andrew Manganelli? They put way too much work in the animations for all of this because they're really good.
1:38:54 Speaker 03 Thanks, daddy.
1:38:55 David Imel? One episode, ooh, our most popular episode.
1:38:57 Andrew Manganelli? What do you think are, what episode rose above the rest?
1:38:59 David Imel? You already know which one it is. Vision Pro.
1:39:01 Speaker 03 Apple iPhone.
1:39:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, was it Vision Pro?
1:39:04 David Imel? Our live, oh, yeah, our Apple Park event.
1:39:08 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, 40,000 more than the average episode.
1:39:11 David Imel? Wow, nice.
1:39:13 Speaker 03 Wait, was that our, that wasn't the?
1:39:14 Andrew Manganelli? No, it was the one right after.
1:39:16 Speaker 03 I was gonna say, yeah.
1:39:17 Andrew Manganelli? We're still quoting it.
1:39:19 David Imel? Whatever that means.
1:39:21 Andrew Manganelli? Hot takes, leave notes, and everything in between. Love notes.
1:39:25 David Imel? What does that mean?
1:39:26 Speaker 03 These are all the comments we haven't enabled.
1:39:28 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, it's the comments that we barely know how to read.
1:39:33 David Imel? Well, there's hundreds of them.
1:39:34 Andrew Manganelli? YouTube needs to fix this episode, got the most comments. Or, uh, the most used emoji was a thumbs up. The United States left 716 comments. Most comments were left on June 19th. Sorry, were you gonna say something else?
1:39:49 David Imel? Is that just?
1:39:49 Speaker 03 Is this on Spotify?
1:39:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this is through Spotify. Sorry, if you comment on Spotify.
1:39:56 David Imel? Good job.
1:39:57 Speaker 04 We've never seen it.
1:39:59 Andrew Manganelli? It's just, we don't have a process in place to like actively.
1:40:01 David Imel? Can't reply to them.
1:40:02 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, replying to them.
1:40:03 David Imel? Yeah.
1:40:04 Andrew Manganelli? Our listening pass. Oh, this is the most fun part. They're like 158 countries reached.
1:40:09 David Imel? There are 158 countries?
1:40:11 Andrew Manganelli? There's, I can't name all the planet.
1:40:14 David Imel? Uh, oh, oh. All right. Top countries, United States, United Kingdom, India, Canada, Germany. Everybody else needs to step it up.
1:40:26 Andrew Manganelli? Come on, man.
1:40:28 David Imel? Get your friends to listen. You're never gonna chart at this rate. You're charted. You charted number nine.
1:40:35 Andrew Manganelli? Um, your show made it to the top of many fans lists.
1:40:39 David Imel? What's a list?
1:40:40 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know. It's, it's next to charts. You're a top 10 show for 71,000 fans. That's pretty awesome.
1:40:46 David Imel? That's cool.
1:40:47 Andrew Manganelli? Top five for 55,000 fans. Number one show for 18.7,000 fans.
1:40:52 David Imel? That's great.
1:40:53 Andrew Manganelli? Shout out fans.
1:40:54 David Imel? Including me on YouTube.
1:40:57 Andrew Manganelli? Your top fans streamed 2.6 times more than everyone else. Yeah.
1:41:03 Speaker 03 I feel like this has to just be Spotify. There's no way they could collect.
1:41:05 David Imel? Yeah, this feels like Spotify only data. I don't think they can collect this data.
1:41:09 Speaker 03 They don't have user data from RSS.
1:41:11 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:41:12 Speaker 03 Unless they're like logging everybody's IP all the time.
1:41:15 Andrew Manganelli? Minutes and stuff like that.
1:41:17 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:41:17 Andrew Manganelli? Total, err.
1:41:18 Speaker 03 That could probably be.
1:41:20 David Imel? This is a Spotify URL.
1:41:21 Andrew Manganelli? I have no idea. Well, it's a Spotify URL because it's through Megaphone, which is what pushes to RSS for us.
1:41:25 David Imel? There's a Spotify logo on the corner.
1:41:27 Andrew Manganelli? Because Spotify owns Megaphone.
1:41:28 Speaker 03 Yeah, but.
1:41:29 David Imel? I think it's pretty clear it's Spotify.
1:41:31 Andrew Manganelli? This is all just Spotify? Then that's crazy because all these numbers are way higher because Spotify isn't even our most listened to.
1:41:36 Speaker 03 I don't know because Megaphone gives us, um.
1:41:42 Andrew Manganelli? Megaphone gives us numbers outside of Spotify.
1:41:43 Speaker 03 Gives us numbers outside of Spotify. That's what I'm saying. I think the, I would guess that the listening numbers are probably from all platforms because you can detect how many times an RSS feed is polled from Megaphone servers. But I don't, I don't know how they would know like our, like your users' top shows from RSS infrastructure. It's, it's really simple syndication.
1:42:03 David Imel? Keep scrolling. These, these get really interesting when you scroll down.
1:42:06 Andrew Manganelli? The top artists?
1:42:07 David Imel? The top artists from people who listen to our podcast. What?
1:42:12 Andrew Manganelli? Do you know, I don't know one or two, which is probably.
1:42:15 David Imel? I don't know one. I don't know two.
1:42:17 Speaker 03 Yeah, who's four?
1:42:19 Speaker 01 Three is Kendrick Lamar, four is Taylor Swift, and five is Drake.
1:42:22 Speaker 03 Who?
1:42:22 Speaker 01 Top audiobooks you guys listen to. Number one, John Green, Everything is Tuberculosis. Number two, Ezra Klein, Abundance. Number three, Gary Stevenson, The Trading Game.
1:42:34 Speaker 03 Whoa.
1:42:35 Speaker 01 Number four, James Clear's iconic Atomic Habits book. And number five, Mark Manson, The Subtle Art of Not Giving a [BLEEP]. Wow.
1:42:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's, there's something funny about talking about not giving a [BLEEP] and then censoring the word [BLEEP] on the cover.
1:42:52 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:42:53 Andrew Manganelli? Sounds like you give a little bit.
1:42:55 Speaker 01 You gotta sell the book everywhere. You gotta sell the book. And then other top shows that you guys listen to.
1:43:00 Andrew Manganelli? Let's just say number two.
1:43:01 Speaker 01 Number one, well, Jerry is the most popular podcast on earth, so Joe Rogan is number one. The Wann Show, number two. The Verge Cast, number three. The New York Times Daily, number four. The Bill Simmons Podcast, number five.
1:43:13 Speaker 03 Waveform listeners know ball.
1:43:14 Speaker 01 You know ball? Y'all know ball? Okay.
1:43:17 Andrew Manganelli? Pretty awesome that the Jerry Rick Everything Experience is the number one podcast. That's, that is interesting.
1:43:22 Speaker 01 Um, who's Bill Simmons? Sports commentator. Just leave it at that. Sports guy. Big sports guy.
1:43:29 Speaker 03 Alright.
1:43:30 Speaker 01 Yeah, the, the last thing says, fans listen to you for longer than 99% of other shows. So we have a show that keeps people listening for long durations.
1:43:39 Speaker 03 Wow.
1:43:39 Speaker 01 Which for a podcast, I feel like is a pretty big achievement. That's pretty cool.
1:43:42 Speaker 03 Honestly, shout out to Adam for that, because if you were in the room with us, you would leave so fast.
1:43:47 Andrew Manganelli? It's a good.
1:43:48 Speaker 01 I haven't left yet.
1:43:50 Andrew Manganelli? Contractually, very close guys. I have to cut them sometimes where you leave to the bathroom.
1:43:54 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, that's true.
1:43:55 Andrew Manganelli? You receive more shares than 99% of other shows?
1:43:58 Speaker 01 Really?
1:43:59 Andrew Manganelli? That feels like something.
1:44:00 Speaker 01 It is a lot.
1:44:01 Andrew Manganelli? That feels like a great accomplishment.
1:44:03 Speaker 01 They shared all the iPhone, the iPhone video. iPhone.
1:44:06 Andrew Manganelli? And that's it.
1:44:07 Speaker 03 Nice.
1:44:08 Speaker 01 Well, we charted.
1:44:11 David Imel? Whatever that means, we did that. Doc, I charted. We charted.
1:44:15 Speaker 03 We charted, we listed.
1:44:19 David Imel? And now we trivia. Unlike Nathan Drake, who uncharted, we charted. We charted. Sea of Thieves. Chatted the seas.
1:44:28 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, relax.
1:44:32 Andrew Manganelli? And another thing!
1:44:34 David Imel? Also, I just blinked. What's an ocean, anyway? I just blinked and this animation thing was like in my... Cause it's like pulsing.
1:44:42 Speaker 03 I learned when I was really young, that C is for cookie. And that's good enough for me.
1:44:51 David Imel? We could have solved that whole argument with that one. I did long division for this one, so this is... Was that the first question, though?
1:44:57 Speaker 03 How did you do long division?
1:44:59 David Imel? For the first question?
1:45:00 Speaker 03 I don't see, I don't see any... In this class, you gotta show your work, brother.
1:45:04 David Imel? I did long division.
1:45:05 Andrew Manganelli? Would you ask ChatGPT?
1:45:07 Speaker 03 Okay. Guys, the 1+15's battery is insane. How many times larger in milliamp hours? Is it larger or longer? Doesn't matter.
1:45:16 David Imel? Larger.
1:45:16 Speaker 03 How many times more in milliamp hours is the 1+15 than my 12 Mini?
1:45:25 Andrew Manganelli? Closest delta.
1:45:25 Speaker 03 Closest?
1:45:27 David Imel? Oh, boy.
1:45:27 Speaker 03 Delta.
1:45:28 David Imel? Oh, wait.
1:45:33 Speaker 03 We have really milked this piece of music for so much at this point.
1:45:36 David Imel? It's incredible. It's timeless.
1:45:38 Speaker 03 I wish I remember who wrote it.
1:45:40 David Imel? Let's switch to Sid Meier's Sim Golf theme song next. You guys probably haven't heard it. Sid Meier's Civilization. I was gonna say, we were both like, Marcus, everyone's heard of Civilization. I heard of Sid Meier's Sim Golf.
1:45:55 David Imel? Oh, boy. Oh, please, please give me the win. No.
1:45:59 Andrew Manganelli? These are close answers.
1:46:00 Speaker 03 These are close answers.
1:46:01 David Imel? It ain't 2,400 million hours.
1:46:02 David Imel? I showed more work than both of you guys, David.
1:46:05 Speaker 03 What is your answer?
1:46:07 David Imel? 4.2X.
1:46:09 Speaker 03 All right, I will tell you now that you are the farthest.
1:46:11 David Imel? What?
1:46:12 Speaker 03 Away.
1:46:12 David Imel? Oh.
1:46:13 Speaker 03 From what I can see.
1:46:13 David Imel? All right.
1:46:15 Speaker 03 Andrew. Yes. What did you put? 3.15. 3.15. That puts you point 12 away from the correct answer. Mark has, what did you put?
1:46:27 David Imel? I think he's right. I, I know that 1 plus 15 has a 7300 milliampere battery.
1:46:32 Speaker 03 That is correct.
1:46:33 David Imel? I was guessing that your phone's in the ballpark of 2400, which I think might be too high.
1:46:38 Speaker 03 It is too high.
1:46:39 David Imel? I have.
1:46:39 Speaker 03 That's too high.
1:46:40 David Imel? I was thinking it was 1500. I have 3.1X, which I'm realizing is a little low.
1:46:45 Speaker 03 I'm sorry, I, I'm going to round that to 3.10 because you do not have. Oh, wait, that's what you meant by, that you weren't like, X was not a variable. Oh, yeah.
1:46:54 David Imel? No, no, no.
1:46:55 Speaker 03 3.1 times.
1:46:55 David Imel? Right.
1:46:56 Speaker 03 The correct answer is 3.27, which gives Andrew.
1:47:02 David Imel? Yeah.
1:47:02 Speaker 03 The point.
1:47:03 David Imel? So what is the milliampere of the iPhone?
1:47:06 Speaker 03 I believe it is, I believe it is 2227.
1:47:10 David Imel? For some reason, I was guessing like 1500.
1:47:12 Speaker 03 I was guessing more.
1:47:13 David Imel? You know, you know why I guess 1500? It was the usable milliampères of Ellis's battery.
1:47:18 Speaker 03 That's what I was guessing.
1:47:20 David Imel? Wow.
1:47:20 Speaker 03 It's like 800.
1:47:21 David Imel? Probably 1500 by this point. That's what I was thinking.
1:47:24 Speaker 03 I was in Chinatown buying fish balls for David and I, and.
1:47:27 David Imel? They're so good.
1:47:28 Speaker 03 I, the guy, the fish ball at Mr. Chang's Fish Ball Store was, was like, oh, you should scan this QR code and leave a review of my fish balls. And I was like, yeah, I love it, man. I come here all the time. And I opened my camera app to scan it and my camera broke. It didn't work. So I, like, at this point.
1:47:47 David Imel? Hmm.
1:47:47 Speaker 03 This point.
1:47:48 David Imel? Are you just gonna upgrade your phone?
1:47:49 Speaker 03 It's a feature phone.
1:47:50 David Imel? Are you gonna upgrade it?
1:47:52 Speaker 03 As soon as I can get a 17 Pro for under $1,200, sure, but like, come on, man.
1:47:59 David Imel? Are you gonna get the small one?
1:48:01 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:48:01 David Imel? The small one's not 1,200.
1:48:03 Speaker 03 It starts at, it starts at 11 and then now you should never buy base storage iPhones, so.
1:48:08 David Imel? Doesn't it start at 999?
1:48:09 Speaker 03 No.
1:48:09 David Imel? Yeah.
1:48:10 Speaker 03 Yeah?
1:48:11 David Imel? 10, 10. Oh, a Pro? Oh, it's 1099. 1099.
1:48:14 Speaker 03 A Pro. It starts at 1099.
1:48:15 David Imel? 1099. Yeah.
1:48:17 Speaker 03 All right, I'm gonna pass it over to Adam to do a score update and hit you with question number two. Get him.
1:48:25 Speaker 04 Well, that's getting cut.
1:48:29 Speaker 04 Quick update on the score. Marquez with 10. Andrew, after that correct answer with 13. David bringing up the reader with 9. David, this is your chance. What does QPR2 mean?
1:48:44 Speaker 04 For the Android updates that we spoke about.
1:48:48 Speaker 03 QPR2 is when you exchange a bribe for fish eggs. Quid pro quo.
1:49:00 Speaker 04 One point to Alice.
1:49:06 Speaker 04 This is it. Flip him and Reed, what do you got? I'll go David first.
1:49:10 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, duh.
1:49:12 Speaker 01 I did.
1:49:12 Speaker 04 Oh, wait.
1:49:13 Speaker 01 Oh.
1:49:15 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, I think Marquez is right.
1:49:16 Speaker 01 I think Marquez is right.
1:49:17 Speaker 04 Okay, well.
1:49:18 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote, "It means nothing," hoping that it just didn't really mean anything. Because I couldn't even pretend to make up letters.
1:49:24 Speaker 04 That would have been hilarious, but no.
1:49:25 Speaker 01 I wrote Quarterly Pixel Release 2.
1:49:28 Speaker 04 Okay, and Marquez, what did you write?
1:49:30 Speaker 01 I wrote Quarterly Public Release 2. It's Marquez, huh? I don't think it's public, though.
1:49:35 Speaker 04 Neither of you were correct. It's Quarterly Platform Release 2. Close enough, close enough.
1:49:40 Speaker 01 Nice work. And neither of us can claim close as Delta because we're both one word off.
1:49:44 Speaker 04 Yeah, you're both one word off.
1:49:45 Speaker 01 Because it's a word. Unfortunately, that means I.
1:49:48 Speaker 01 There's not distance between words. Actually, there isn't 3D space, so. Well, hey, nobody gets those points, but we all learned something today. Shout out to those of you who have a singer wrapped or your recaps. And, yeah, because I get it wrong every week. So I just learn something every week. And thank you for watching and for listening and subscribing. We'll catch you very soon in our more regularly scheduled programming in Techember.
1:50:12 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:50:13 Speaker 01 We're just forcing it at this point. Techember. See you soon.
1:50:16 Speaker 03 It's his birthday.
1:50:17 Speaker 01 Oh, true. You're right, Marquez.
1:50:21 Speaker 03 Waveform is produced in a small studio in between the Labrador and Sargasso Seas by Ellis Rovin and Adam Molina.
1:50:28 Speaker 04 The Caspian Sea is a lake!
1:50:30 Andrew Manganelli? Bingo!
1:50:31 Speaker 03 Our theme music is written by Vane Sill, and we're part of the Vox Media Podcast Network.
1:50:36 Speaker 01 We're written by the Vox.
1:50:38 Speaker 04 Written by the Vox Media.
1:50:47 Speaker 03 I'm on oceanservice.noa.gov.
1:50:50 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:50:51 Speaker 03 And they say, "A sea is the part of the ocean that is near land." That's it.
1:50:56 Speaker 04 Oh, I thought it came after "be."
1:50:58 Andrew Manganelli? That's a terrible explanation.
1:51:00 Speaker 03 That's not.
1:51:01 Andrew Manganelli? I can go to the Atlantic Ocean.
1:51:03 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:51:04 Speaker 01 So not all ocean is sea, but all sea is part of ocean.
1:51:09 Andrew Manganelli? So it's some of the parts of the ocean that are near land.
1:51:13 Speaker 03 It's a part of an ocean that's vaguely near land. That's not just like far out of the ocean.
1:51:17 Speaker 04 So it's not like a hard line. It's like a gradient.
1:51:19 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:51:22 Andrew Manganelli? That's a weird way of describing it.
1:51:23 Speaker 03 I don't think so.
1:51:24 Andrew Manganelli? But it's just like, it makes you think any parts of the ocean that are near land are seas, which is not true.
1:51:30 Speaker 03 Well, think of it this way, is like, when you're, when you're actually sailing, right? Like, land, these like, big masses of stuff really affect weather patterns.
1:51:39 Andrew Manganelli? So we're talking about land's land?
1:51:41 Speaker 03 What? Nah, I'm talking about air land.
1:51:43 Speaker 01 I like my chat GPT definition, actually. Oh, no. Okay, and mine is personalized to give me analogies. So, so think of the ocean as the plant's giant main stage of salt water. There's only a few, they're immense, they're deep, and they connect continents. A sea is like a side room off of that stage, smaller, shallower, often partly enclosed by land, and commonly linked to an ocean. So oceans shape global circulation and climate with broad uninterrupted waters. Seas sit on continental margins, like the Caribbean Sea, the Mediterranean Sea. They can have distinct conditions and ecosystems and are more influenced by nearby land and rivers. Do they have to be a certain size?
1:52:23 Andrew Manganelli? That's a better...
1:52:23 Speaker 04 Alice has the perfect image for this. So if anyone is confused, look at the video version, because I will have this image in the podcast.
1:52:30 Speaker 01 Do they need to be of a certain size?
1:52:31 Andrew Manganelli? If you say, "It's the part of ocean by land," that's a confusing way of describing it.
1:52:37 Speaker 01 Wait, so the, um, because in Santa Cruz...
1:52:41 Speaker 01 Like that's a like that's a bay because there's Santa Cruz, there's the Monterey Bay, which is like the area that separates Santa Cruz and Monterey.
1:52:49 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, wait, so what's the difference between a bay and a sea?
1:52:51 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:52:52 Speaker 04 A bay?
1:52:52 Speaker 03 We're, we're, we're thinking of these terms as like, you know, these hard geographical, or I guess not geographical, it's the ocean, but, but the reason I would, I would assume the reason that these terms are different is because when you're sailing on the water, the conditions, the average weather, it's going to be different when you're out in the open ocean versus vaguely near a massive land, right? So just saying the Atlantic Ocean has these conditions is not specific enough because the Labrador Sea and the Sargasso Sea are going to be, require different sailing techniques to traverse them.
1:53:27 Speaker 04 Also, all the oceans are connected.
1:53:29 Andrew Manganelli? So the Gulf of Alaska, Alaska goes all the way down to?
1:53:34 Speaker 03 The Bering Sea. Oh, all the way down?
1:53:36 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, where like?
1:53:38 Speaker 01 Chilean.
1:53:39 Speaker 04 It's like the general.
1:53:40 Andrew Manganelli? Like this is a bunch of seas nobody's uses and then all of a sudden it's like.
1:53:45 Speaker 04 Does it have something to do with like the ocean floor, like where it drops off to deeper parts and that would be the ocean?
1:53:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, we could go to the Labrador Sea. I've never heard of most.
1:53:53 Speaker 04 Lincoln Sea?
1:53:54 Speaker 03 We're not, you're not, we're not sailing, like they don't, we're not traversing the oceans, they don't have meaningful differences.
1:54:00 Speaker 01 Also, the Gulf of Mexico is a gulf.
1:54:02 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just saying like this thing is.
1:54:03 Speaker 01 Not a sea. So it's even more enclosed because I'm looking at the, the Bay of Bengal right now. I'm feeling like that's kind of a gulf.
1:54:11 Andrew Manganelli? We brought up a map that has a bunch of seas. None of us use the terms for it, but then it's also just missing a giant portion.
1:54:18 Speaker 01 There's a lot of seas.
1:54:19 Andrew Manganelli? That's like still land connected to ocean.
1:54:22 Speaker 01 Yeah. Anyway.
1:54:23 Speaker 04 This didn't help me at all.
1:54:24 Speaker 03 Yeah, this didn't help.
1:54:25 Speaker 01 What was your question? Wait, Ellis, what was your question?
1:54:28 Speaker 04 What's the difference between the?
1:54:30 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just saying the, the original explanation was a poor explanation and Ellis is trying to prove it with a map that nobody cares about and is still proving me right. What's the sea off California? Near land.
1:54:43 Speaker 03 It might, it might not have a denotation because it's not necessary to separate from the rest of the Pacific Ocean.
1:54:50 Speaker 01 This doesn't even show Gulf of Mexico.
1:54:51 Speaker 03 The Pacific Ocean is called the Pacific Ocean because it's-
1:54:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, but all, nevermind. This is a pointless conversation.
1:54:56 Speaker 01 What about around like Hawaii? Is there like a sea?
1:54:58 Speaker 04 No, it's the Pacific. I feel like that's too small.
1:55:01 Speaker 01 It doesn't talk about the Gulf of Mexico at all.
1:55:04 Andrew Manganelli? It's supposed to be seas, which is weird that it says Gulf of Alaska.
1:55:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:55:09 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just saying, I think the saying seas are oceans near land is confusing because there are also oceans near land.
1:55:16 Speaker 01 I Google Hawaii Sea.
1:55:17 Andrew Manganelli? And I think just a step further explaining it is not that unreasonable.
1:55:20 Speaker 01 Apparently the Hawaii Sea is the Pacific Ocean surrounding the Hawaiian Islands.
1:55:23 Speaker 03 Yeah.
1:55:24 Speaker 01 But that is, that might be made up.
1:55:26 Speaker 04 So I think you're agreeing with Ellis. You just wish that it was more specific.
1:55:29 Andrew Manganelli? Exactly. That's all I've ever said.
1:55:31 Speaker 01 Less, he wants less specific.
1:55:33 Andrew Manganelli? No, I want more specific.
1:55:34 Speaker 01 I thought you didn't want the seas. You just wanted those.
1:55:36 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, I'm just saying the very vague definition of a sea is ocean next to land. Which is what you first said, right? Or am I wrong on that? And then my whole argument's dead.
1:55:47 Speaker 01 It's technically not wrong, but it's not actually-
1:55:50 Andrew Manganelli? I just don't think it's a good description.
1:55:52 Speaker 01 Wait, but look at this. The Caspian Sea is not even connected to the ocean. That's a, that's a lake. The Caspian Sea is a lake.
1:55:57 Andrew Manganelli? You just don't see it?
1:55:58 Speaker 01 The Caspian Sea is-
1:55:59 Andrew Manganelli? Black Sea is also connected.
1:56:00 Speaker 01 Fully landlocked. Really? I can see how the Black Sea is connected. I just don't see how the Caspian Sea is connected. Yeah, wait, that, that is, the Caspian Sea isn't connected. It's landlocked. I mean, maybe it is. It's the biggest lake in the world. It might have a river that connects it to the ocean. Like the Great Lakes. No, I know this. The Caspian Sea is the biggest lake. Caspian?
1:56:16 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, you're right.
1:56:17 Speaker 04 Maybe they just named it that before they made all these definitions.
1:56:19 Speaker 01 This is bull****, man. This is bull****. The Caspian Sea is-
1:56:25 Speaker 03 Do you realize there's not like-
1:56:26 Andrew Manganelli? Also the Black Sea.
1:56:27 Speaker 03 Like a, like a, like, you realize there's not like some group of guys in suits who are like, the, the official government of, of seas and saltwater that decide all this stuff?
1:56:36 Speaker 01 I mean, they, they just did that with the Gulf of Mexico.
1:56:39 Speaker 03 These are, these are, these are, these are terms that have been developed and cultivated over millennia of, of ocean faring. Like, like there doesn't have to be a reason.
1:56:49 Speaker 04 Then why did you ask us a trivia question about?
1:56:51 Speaker 03 I didn't! I didn't! I didn't do any of this!
1:56:55 Speaker 01 This is Adam.
1:56:55 Speaker 03 I'm trying to respect that sometimes language is cultivated by, over time, people doing cool stuff. And we can learn about that stuff. And we don't need to be like, that's **** stupid. Cause it's not stupid.
1:57:09 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's I guess my My argument is if we want to learn more about it, then we should have a better descriptor of it than just sea is ocean next to land. I think that doesn't give it enough credit. And I think there's a better way to describe it.
1:57:23 Speaker 01 And the Black Sea?
1:57:24 Speaker 03 Explain, I think that we can use the simple it's near land because that will affect the ocean conditions, which is important because you need to know what kind of conditions your ocean craft is going to face.
1:57:37 Andrew Manganelli? I'm not doing this anymore.
1:57:39 Speaker 03 He's just not listening.
1:57:40 Andrew Manganelli? I have an analogy. I think it's like how you still have the floppy disk as the save button. It's not actually a floppy disk. It's like an analogy for how we used to do.
1:57:48 Speaker 01 The Caspian Sea is the only one that's not connected to the ocean. When it was called the sea, they should rename it as.
1:57:53 Speaker 03 Yeah, the Caspian Lake. Did you watch the Hank Green video about fish recently? He talks about how there's all this argument, argument about whether sharks are fish or jellyfish fish. What actually is a fish? And the deeper you get into it, the more you realize it's literally impossible to decide.
1:58:12 Andrew Manganelli? I'm just, I don't know why you're because you're so mad at me because you think I don't believe you, but I believe you. And I'm just saying it would be easier for an average person to understand it with one more sentence tacked on to that.
1:58:27 Speaker 03 And what I'm trying to say is the average person does not need to understand it because the actual cool, interesting, functional truth is complicated.
1:58:37 Speaker 01 The truth isn't complicated.
1:58:38 Speaker 03 It's, it's based on all of this.
1:58:40 Andrew Manganelli? But your answer to a complicated thing is to be as vague as possible as a definition of it.
1:58:48 Andrew Manganelli? I, I honestly don't understand.
1:58:50 Speaker 01 What does AI overview say? AI overview did say that Listen to God. The Hawaii Sea is the ocean around Hawaii.
1:58:58 Speaker 04 No, it did not.
1:58:59 Speaker 01 I Googled Hawaii Sea though, so I let it on. I definitely. Does Hawaii Sea exist? I don't know. AI overview seems like so.
1:59:05 Andrew Manganelli? You were asking for it, Marcus.
1:59:06 Speaker 01 All I did was Google Hawaii Sea and it said, oh yeah, Hawaii Sea. That's, that's the water around Hawaii. I figured that's all I need to know. All right. All right.
1:59:15 Andrew Manganelli? Are you leading into the Android features?
1:59:17 Speaker 01 Android stuff. Okay.
1:59:19 Andrew Manganelli? Let's hit it.
1:59:21 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back.
1:59:22 Speaker 04 What's the difference between the ocean and the sea?
1:59:25 Speaker 01 Oh my gosh.
1:59:27 Andrew Manganelli? I will.
1:59:27 Speaker 01 Chat GPT knows.
1:59:28 Andrew Manganelli? This all stemmed from me being horribly wrong about seas in the first place two episodes ago.
1:59:34 Speaker 01 Really?
1:59:35 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I just said like, no, seasoned oceans are different.
1:59:38 Speaker 04 They are different.
1:59:39 Andrew Manganelli? I know, and I know that.
1:59:40 Speaker 04 Oh, but you said it like joking back then.
1:59:42 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, no, I thought they were, or like a...
1:59:45 Speaker 01 I use them as synonyms, because people say the seven seas all the time.
1:59:48 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, it all...
1:59:50 Speaker 01 Guys.
1:59:50 Andrew Manganelli? I'm saying, no, no, no.
1:59:52 Speaker 04 No, no, no.
1:59:53 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, it did start from me being like...
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