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2:06 David Imel? I'm Andrew.
2:07 Speaker 01 And I'm Nintendo Switch 2. So you thought...
2:10 Andrew Manganelli? That was gone.
2:11 David Imel? But it was always gonna come back.
2:12 Speaker 01 We're back. Uh, today's episode, we've got a case manufacturer leaking iPhone 17s. You know, this, this sort of life cycle of pre iPhone releases is in full swing. Uh, the S25 Edge, a new Google FavaCon slash logo, and also Whoop getting some massive backlash for their new 5.0 band. Whoops. But first, yeah, I was gonna make that.
2:34 Andrew Manganelli? That is the first of probably 10 puns we will do with that one.
2:37 Speaker 01 I already have that joke built into the soundboard. I've already, I made that joke months ago. I was first. Uh, but first, let's just dive into the stuff that we were looking forward to last week, because we mentioned it was coming. The Android show, pre-Io this year, so we have Google I/O, but pre-Io, we had an Android specific 15 or so minute livestream from Google, where they went over some Android 16 updates. They went into Material 3, expressive, they went into, uh, some new Gemini features. Thoughts? Thoughts and opinions?
3:10 David Imel? Many thoughts and opinions.
3:11 Andrew Manganelli? I think my first thought was, I was wishing it'd be longer.
3:14 David Imel? Yeah.
3:14 Andrew Manganelli? Like, I, I was hoping, getting this a week early, I was excited for, because it felt like maybe IOs realized it's gonna be AI focused, let's give the people what they want on the Android side, and let's have an event event. Like, it didn't feel like an event.
3:29 David Imel? No, totally. It was like a shorter, it was about 22 minutes, and they did a little, uh-
3:34 Speaker 01 Felt shorter.
3:35 David Imel? Yeah, they, they did a little, but also a thing at the very end where they brought Dieter out, which is kind of an homage, just specifically for people who care about this stuff, the, to the level that we care about it.
3:48 David Imel? They introduced some new stuff that will be in Android 16, and then also some new design elements, and some new stuff for cars and whatever. But it's all like later this year, which is very nebulous.
4:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
4:01 David Imel? And I feel like the reason they're doing this is because all of I/O is going to be Gemini. But the funny thing is, half of this was Gemini.
4:09 Speaker 01 This has kind of happened with an Apple keynote before, maybe one or two years ago, where they had a section that they essentially cut out of the main keynote, and it came at a separate time.
4:17 David Imel? Yeah.
4:18 Speaker 01 This feels like, oh wow, we have an hour- To give people about Gemini AI. Why don't we just take the Android stuff out and and publish it for the Android audience who wants to see that?
4:26 David Imel? Right.
4:27 Speaker 01 So now we saw it.
4:28 David Imel? Yeah.
4:29 Speaker 01 It it's yeah, a couple neat things here and there, some new rounded corners and bold looks and obviously the stuff that we talked about last week. You know, the thing that caught my eye, that was interesting. I tweeted about this.
4:41 Andrew Manganelli? I missed it.
4:42 Speaker 01 Well, we were working on a video about this, but they keep doing this thing where they will use a Samsung phone to demo all of the new Android features. And I hadn't tweeted about this in a while, so I did. I put it on threads. I put it on Twitter. And I got all kinds of different explanations as to why they're doing this. I had maybe two or three things in my head. I got maybe seven or eight people that were very sure about why Google keeps doing this.
5:09 David Imel? And they're all wrong.
5:10 Speaker 01 And they're well, I think they're all kind of right in a way, like if you combine them all.
5:14 David Imel? That's true.
5:14 Speaker 01 You know, there's people saying, look, people recognize Samsung phones as Android phones, so this is a no brainer for them. It's a good collab. People were saying, oh, Samsung paid them to do that and just put it on stage in front of people, which I don't necessarily know if that's true, but maybe they have a.
5:31 David Imel? Well, there was that report that went out recently that Samsung pays Google an enormous sum of money to put Gemini on Galaxy phones.
5:39 Speaker 01 So they have a relationship.
5:40 David Imel? I mean, they obviously like for the last two years, there have been Google X Samsung ads on the side of the bus stop. Yeah, have said like, Google works best on Samsung.
5:49 Speaker 01 Yeah, there's also, I mean, Pixel devices are are not popular in in comparison to Samsung.
5:56 David Imel? In comparison.
5:56 Speaker 01 And especially most of the countries that we talked to.
5:59 David Imel? Unless you live in my neighborhood and then you only see Pixel devices for some reason.
6:02 Andrew Manganelli? I think what's kind of weirder about it is like, we're not, we've seen plenty of Samsung inside of Google events too, like a lot of wasn't it like watch OS from a few years ago, they were showing on Samsung watches because there wasn't really, there wasn't the Pixel watch out yet, but it's this. Not even mentioning it as like Galaxy series where they're just like demoing it and like very right into the camera like this is not a Pixel device and this was the the edge, right?
6:30 Speaker 01 Yeah.
6:30 Andrew Manganelli? For this show, it's like
6:31 Speaker 01 Oh, the S25 Ultra.
6:32 David Imel? It was the Ultra.
6:32 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, was it the Ultra? Yeah.
6:34 David Imel? They talked about the edge briefly at the end. I think Dieter talked about it. Famously, in the Google Pixel 9 event last year, the first half of the event was demoed Gemini on an S24 Ultra.
6:47 Speaker 01 That's the weirdest one to me. And even if it is like, okay, now you have your own Pixel phones, you'll surely you'll use Pixel phones to demo new Android features and they continue to use Samsung.
6:55 David Imel? It's also crazy that they wouldn't demo it on a Pixel 8 and then be like, and that you thought that was the best of the best.
7:01 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:01 David Imel? Here's our 9.
7:02 Speaker 01 Yeah.
7:03 David Imel? Yeah.
7:03 Speaker 01 Another explanation that I saw a lot of was Google is getting ahead of any antitrust sort of accusations by showing how rich and competitive the hardware landscape is that they're surely not favoring their own Pixel devices because look, we've shown so many Samsung ones. And then, of course, there was Dieter's section at the end highlighting like 8 or 9 others.
7:24 David Imel? Pixel has such little market share.
7:26 Speaker 01 Exactly.
7:26 David Imel? No chance that this is gonna be a problem.
7:28 Speaker 01 But you know, that is like another angle that I saw in my replies a lot.
7:31 David Imel? Sure.
7:32 Speaker 01 So, yeah, there's, there's a lot of that. They also very clearly showed like the Android XR is launching on a Samsung headset, the Project Muhan thing. They very clearly show, you know, lots of other devices, but that just caught my eye.
7:45 David Imel? It is interesting considering Google's whole thing has been look at all your options, but most of the time they're like Samsung, Samsung, Samsung, Samsung. They probably just know that people recognize Samsung more than they recognize other brand names. So it is a strategic advantage to be able to demo Android features on devices that people have recognition with.
8:05 Speaker 01 It just seems like an opportunity to make Pixel devices more recognized than they already are.
8:09 David Imel? Yeah, 100%.
8:10 Speaker 01 You know?
8:11 David Imel? 100%.
8:12 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I guess the people watching this, would you argue 99% of the people watching the Android show?
8:18 David Imel? Probably have Pixel phones.
8:19 Andrew Manganelli? Probably knows. Yeah, that's, that's, at that point, it's more of like Like the people watching this are probably, but uh.
8:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, but I would still use it, even if they know about it already, I would still use it. But I don't know. Either way, that's something I had to bring up. But uh, yeah, there's some other stuff, what there's some new color themes, new physics in swiping away notifications.
8:37 Andrew Manganelli? I like the physics.
8:39 David Imel? Do you want to just go through like the different sections?
8:41 Speaker 01 Sure.
8:42 David Imel? Um, okay, we'll, we'll start with, they started with RCS updates. It was just kind of a little fun blurb that they had where there are now 1 billion RCS messages sent every day.
8:51 Speaker 01 Thanks, Tim.
8:52 David Imel? I was gonna say that. I would love to know how many of those is because all the iPhones suddenly got updated. Uh, that's very funny. But then we moved on to Material 3 Expressive, which we talked about before. And obviously this got very leaked and we even got screenshots and stuff before from this. But it was nice to see a lot more videos of it in action. And it seems like the primary changes in Material 3 Expressive are really aligned around the expressive angle of it, where the physics are very different. They really talked about a lot of the snapping and the jiggle and all the stuff that all the windows will do on your phones. When you're like pulling up a notification, you're pulling it to the right, but you decide not to dismiss it. It'll kind of like snap and kind of like bounce back.
9:36 Speaker 01 Yeah.
9:36 David Imel? And assuming the phones are fast enough to make sure this doesn't lag, um, it will be great.
9:43 Andrew Manganelli? You need high refresh rate to get the most out of your Material 3 Expressive.
9:47 David Imel? Actually, yes. I would like to know more about Material 3 Expressive. And we had a briefing about this where I asked like, do you have any more to share? Cause they were just like, more color themes, it's more expressive, it has better physics. And that's all they said. And I would really like to know like, okay, can you tell me everything else? Cause you're, you're saying that this is like a generational update in UX. But you're not saying what else is new besides some dynamic physics stuff and some color. You say more colors. What does that mean? I don't know what that means.
10:18 Speaker 01 I guess to an extent Android has matured over the years where in previous generations, there would be like a total overhaul on what it looked like and what it meant to be Android. It would go from flat to hollow, which was like glowing and like Tron-like. And then they'd try something else and then they, they sort of have slowed down and landed on this more consistent, rough look for what Android is. So I guess it makes sense that they're not doing this enormous change and it seems very subtle. It's physics and it's little buttons and circles and colors. But it also just kind of feels like we're.
10:50 David Imel? Spinning tires a little bit, just kind of tweaking.
10:52 Andrew Manganelli? I like agree with you that it feels weird that they're saying it's like the one of the biggest updates when it it's meaningful. I think all of these things are really good, but it doesn't feel like the bigger thing was introducing Material UI a few years ago. And like, this is the really nice upgrade to that.
11:07 David Imel? Yeah.
11:08 Andrew Manganelli? Um, I do think although like physics and stuff are, they're cool to see. I think they're actually super helpful for people who might not understand phone UI that well, because when things are a little more meaningful of where it snaps to, I'm, I'm sure every one of us have had a parent or a relative who are like, I just swiped something away and I don't know what it is. And now if it's a little harder to do that.
11:27 David Imel? Right.
11:28 Andrew Manganelli? Or a little more obvious of when you're like accidentally moving something or like you said, if something like wiggles, you're like, oh, that probably means an actions available here. How do I figure that out? That's a really, really simple way of making something more intuitive, which is like Android needs probably because they're the worst.
11:46 David Imel? I saw something on Blue Sky this morning where someone was like Material 3 Expressive is, is Android Senior Citizen Edition, because all the buttons are way bigger. Everything is a little bit harder to accidentally do. It's more obvious and in your face. The sections are more section. I mean, that's something we talked about last week is like in an email, you now have like sections for what's going on. You've got the compose window. You've got the keyboard section. You've got this section and everything's like cut out and kind of floating. And that does help you delineate like where am I, you know, on the phone.
12:17 Andrew Manganelli? Some people in our comments did not like that apparently. Why would my email look like a chat log? It's like.
12:23 David Imel? Cause people understand.
12:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I didn't think that was, I thought it was a great change.
12:27 David Imel? Yeah, I think it's great.
12:28 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
12:29 Speaker 01 I think the haptics is underrated. I've seen, there's a couple of devices in the past couple of years that have come out with like extremely clever little haptics things. I don't know if you know on the, on Oppo phones, if you have a bunch of notifications and you hit clear all, it goes like, and you can feel all the notifications swipe away at once.
12:44 David Imel? Awesome.
12:44 Speaker 01 Just like little things like that. I want more of that built into Android.
12:48 David Imel? Remember when Nothing made a huge deal about the fact that when you hit airplane mode, it like had a little animation of the plane like taking off?
12:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:56 David Imel? They had a whole press release for that.
12:58 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny. Really cool haptics in the Android ecosystem is really funny, though, because then when you get that phone with the terrible vibration motor or something, all of that just feels like garbage. But I'm still happy they're making.
13:12 David Imel? Yeah. So some more universal changes on that. They're going to have more customizable quick settings and there's a subtly blurred background, which honestly kind of looks a little bit like the iOS update that we are anticipating, where everything's more Vision OS like. They did have more translucency in the Android OS with this update, which seemed interesting to me. They're adding a new live updates feature, which is the Dynamic Island live updates. When your phone's locked, it looks just like.
13:41 Speaker 01 Is it Dynamic Island or is it more like live activities?
13:44 David Imel? Live activities.
13:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:45 David Imel? But Dynamic Island and live activities like play together.
13:48 Speaker 01 Yeah. If you're waiting for an Uber or some ongoing action is happening.
13:53 David Imel? Yeah. They look almost exactly the same, which I'm OK with because it's a really great feature.
13:59 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. It's so funny.
14:00 Speaker 01 Copy the good stuff.
14:01 David Imel? Yeah.
14:02 Andrew Manganelli? It's so funny, like, seeing all this when I just got the One UI 7 update and like, it's very different, but also confusing. I'm just trying to, like, get something to play. And now, like, I have kind of like a live thing.
14:14 David Imel? That looks like the live activities that Google showed off.
14:17 Andrew Manganelli? But it's to, like, the left side now and there's...
14:20 David Imel? Yeah.
14:20 Andrew Manganelli? I've... My thoughts really quickly on One UI 7 so far is I've actually really enjoyed it. It's just a little bit of getting used to things. And I think for a big, like, visual change, that's a really good thing to say. Like, everyone needs their time to get used to it, but I'm not immediately hating it. So.
14:40 David Imel? Yeah.
14:41 Andrew Manganelli? The glowing review for One UI 7.
14:43 David Imel? Small learning curve because you don't want to change too much and have it take forever.
14:46 Andrew Manganelli? No. But it is really funny, like, seeing all this and being like, damn, there's all these cool things. And then my phone completely changed to something totally different.
14:53 David Imel? Yeah. Well, I mean, that update kind of looked very similar to the live activities that came into this. So maybe there was some cross pollination there. We're talking about Samsung developing things with Google. You know, maybe they're in there. Also, apparently Material 3 Expressive is more battery efficient than Material U? Somehow.
15:10 Speaker 01 Somehow.
15:11 David Imel? Uh, which I'm down for.
15:12 Speaker 01 Okay.
15:13 David Imel? And it's coming to Pixels later this year.
15:16 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:17 David Imel? Which probably just means it's launching on the Pixel 10.
15:20 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:21 Andrew Manganelli? That's a very fair guess.
15:22 David Imel? Yeah, but we'll probably see a beta in the next couple of weeks, considering iOS in one week.
15:27 Speaker 01 Keeping my eye out for that.
15:28 David Imel? Yeah.
15:28 Speaker 01 Everybody, if you, if anybody sees the Android 16 beta with this stuff in it before I see it, tweet it at me, because I want to install it on my Pixel.
15:37 David Imel? Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
15:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:39 David Imel? Um, WearOS 6 is coming out, which adds Material 3 expressive as well, which is just kind of a visual refresh of WearOS.
15:47 Speaker 01 Big buttons.
15:48 David Imel? Big buttons.
15:49 Speaker 01 Big buttons.
15:50 David Imel? Shape morphing elements, as they call it.
15:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
15:52 David Imel? 10% better battery life, which is always welcome, if that's true. They are also adding Gemini to the watch.
16:01 Speaker 01 Yeah, they added Gemini to all the things.
16:03 David Imel? They added Gemini to all the things. That was actually a bigger.
16:06 Speaker 01 I, the one thing they didn't add it to was their home products, but they, they went Gemini to the watch, then they also went Gemini to Android Auto and, and Gemini to Android Google TV.
16:15 David Imel? Isn't that ironic?
16:16 Speaker 01 Which is.
16:17 Andrew Manganelli? We'll get there in a minute.
16:18 Speaker 01 It, it deserves to be in all those places. If you bought a Google Home and it's still Google Assistant, that's the one place where I'm like, are they going to update those to Gemini? Or are those forever Google Assistant?
16:28 David Imel? Which is the irony, because Google Assistant came out first on the first Google Home.
16:31 Speaker 01 Yeah, so, so is it doomed? They have to buy another one with Gemini? That seems terrible.
16:37 David Imel? Yeah.
16:37 Speaker 01 But you can software update those things.
16:39 David Imel? It'll probably update it to it.
16:40 Speaker 01 I hope.
16:40 Andrew Manganelli? They'll just explode. A resident Pixel Watch user wants to say something.
16:44 Speaker 01 Oh, boy.
16:44 Speaker 04 I'm so excited. It's gonna be so good.
16:48 Speaker 01 All of it?
16:49 Speaker 04 Just the watch.
16:50 Andrew Manganelli? Your shape morphing elements just really.
16:53 Speaker 04 Yeah, I'm excited for new shapes, new sounds.
16:55 Speaker 01 Different colors.
16:56 Speaker 04 It's gonna be great.
16:56 Speaker 01 Fun buttons.
16:57 David Imel? Fun buttons.
16:58 Speaker 01 Honestly, it seems like it's a nice little upgrade for the watch.
17:00 Andrew Manganelli? Do you trust Gemini on your watch, Mariah?
17:02 Speaker 04 I trust nobody. It's not personal.
17:05 David Imel? It's not Gemini or not Gemini.
17:07 Speaker 01 Well, because at this moment, if you want to trigger assistant on the watch, it's Google Assistant on the watch. So if you have a phone assistant and a watch assistant that are two different assistants with different capabilities, that's annoying.
17:18 David Imel? And then you got Bixby on the, you know.
17:20 Speaker 01 Yeah, so, so at least having Gemini be as many places as possible makes sense. I really do wonder, though, about Google Homes.
17:27 David Imel? Yeah.
17:27 Speaker 01 We'll see.
17:28 David Imel? Um, okay, I'm very excited that it is coming to Google TV, that Gemini is coming to Google TV. There is actually a lot of natural language use cases with Google TV that make tons of sense, where you can say, "Show me a movie that's..." and then just describe the type of movie you want to see.
17:42 Speaker 01 Yeah.
17:42 David Imel? Assuming it works, could be cool.
17:45 Andrew Manganelli? Not only that, but more importantly, which freaking platform it's on. Like, because like, Google TV has all the different platforms integrated into it. You don't have to be like, sometimes we pick the movie and then I have to Google what streaming service it's on.
17:59 David Imel? Well, when the Chromecast with Google TV first came out, that was probably the best feature.
18:03 Andrew Manganelli? I agree, yeah.
18:03 David Imel? Is that you can say the movie and it shows you where you can watch it.
18:07 Speaker 01 That's ideal.
18:08 David Imel? It's so ideal.
18:09 Speaker 01 Yeah.
18:10 David Imel? Um, so that's really nice. You can, you can ask for a type of movie that you want to watch. You can also like, look up more info about certain characters. You can ask just Gemini random questions where it'll pull up web info. So it kind of makes your TV this like, catch-all portal where you can watch content and also sort of surf the web with your voice, in a way. Which is gonna be useful for kids, obviously, because they're just gonna have a million questions about cocoa melon.
18:33 Speaker 01 Hey, cocoa.
18:36 David Imel? You know.
18:37 Andrew Manganelli? How do I tell my TV to ban cocoa melon? Yeah, but I think the, the worst part about smart TVs is controlling them. So the more we can use our voice in a, a better way than just like, finding the, the microphone icon, pressing the microphone icon and then trying to get it to actually listen to you, like,
18:54 David Imel? Yeah.
18:54 Andrew Manganelli? being able to control it a bit more should make smart TVs a better experience.
18:57 David Imel? Possibly, hot take, but Google's ecosystem of like, other stuff that's running on Android, like, Google TV is like, so much better than Apple TV, in my opinion.
19:07 Andrew Manganelli? I don't use Apple TV, and I agree with you.
19:09 David Imel? The remote is the worst thing in history, and even the new remote is like, better, but not that much better.
19:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, from an F to a C minus.
19:16 David Imel? Yeah, pretty much.
19:19 Speaker 01 It's also coming to cars, which is gonna be really useful because it can read things back to you. You can send things back. You can just do Gemini Live in the car, which is very
19:27 David Imel? Whoa.
19:28 Speaker 01 I kinda hate myself for this, but I really like Gemini Live now.
19:32 David Imel? Welcome to the train, brother. I love Gemini Live. I've been talking to it a lot.
19:36 Speaker 01 Me too! And if I just like wanted to Google something and probably will have a follow-up question or two, I just default to Gemini Live now, because I'll just think of my question and then just keep talking.
19:46 David Imel? Yeah.
19:46 Speaker 01 Versus having to go, "Hey G, again," and then phrase a new question about the thing I asked about before. It's just better.
19:51 David Imel? I had, okay, I just wanna give this example. So I was biking somewhere two days ago, and my chain came off, and I was like panicking, and I was like, "I have no idea how to get this chain back on my bike." And instead of, you know, Googling a step-by-step guide that I would be like guided to WikiHow or whatever, it just told me, and it was like, "Most bikes have this spoke thing. You just pull back on it." And I was just, I just did, and then it worked, and I was like...
20:16 Speaker 01 And it's so funny that you mentioned WikiHow, because they were getting all the traffic from that query before.
20:20 David Imel? I know.
20:21 Speaker 01 And now it's just Google telling you the answer, which is a success for the user, because I got the answer. But that's a whole rabbit hole of...
20:28 David Imel? Yeah, we talked about that before, like, who's gonna write the content?
20:31 Speaker 01 Yeah.
20:32 David Imel? So that's a whole nother thing.
20:35 Andrew Manganelli? Can I say something really quick?
20:36 David Imel? Please.
20:36 Andrew Manganelli? Did you notice that they said "coming to Android Auto" or "cars with Google built-in"?
20:42 David Imel? Which is, uh, the Polestar.
20:44 Andrew Manganelli? But are we, so it used to be Android Automotive.
20:47 David Imel? Oh, right.
20:48 Andrew Manganelli? Was a car that specifically had the UI running Android versus your phone running Android.
20:53 David Imel? Yeah.
20:53 Andrew Manganelli? I do agree that that's like a little confusing, Auto, but I don't know why "cars with Google built-in" sounds worse.
21:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, it doesn't roll off the tongue. It's horribly branded, but it is a very useful feature. There's a, we're testing a Cadillac Lyric right now that has Google built-in.
21:08 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
21:09 Speaker 01 Has a Play Store. You can just download Spotify right in there, download Waze. It shows up in the car. It's all built-in. Those cars all have Google Assistant right now. Throw Gemini in there too. Yes, please.
21:18 Andrew Manganelli? With that brand-new car has Google Assistant?
21:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:20 David Imel? It'll probably be updated to Gemini.
21:22 Speaker 01 Exactly. That's what, yeah. It'll be in, and Android, obviously Android Auto is beaming from your phone to the car. That will obviously get the new Gemini as well. So it's all useful.
21:32 David Imel? This is everything I ever wanted.
21:35 Speaker 01 Yeah. Also, Gemini is coming to Android XR, which we already knew. I don't know why they showed that again.
21:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, and it seems like at the end of it, they said like, we'll be, didn't they like, make a little tease to showing off?
21:48 Speaker 01 The glasses, they did.
21:50 Andrew Manganelli? They showed the, him putting on glasses, but then the video they showed was what we saw in Project Muhan.
21:56 Speaker 01 Right.
21:57 David Imel? Yeah.
21:57 Speaker 01 At the very, very end, they teased a pair of glasses, which I guess they haven't ever actually shown yet.
22:04 Andrew Manganelli? They have.
22:04 Speaker 01 Have they shown them?
22:05 David Imel? Yeah, there was a, there was a whole section where there was like a Google person like, using the glasses to talk to her grandma in a different language or something.
22:13 Speaker 01 They used him putting the shades on to signify that there's more coming on that front.
22:16 David Imel? Yeah.
22:17 Speaker 01 And then that was it. So we don't know what more is, but.
22:20 Andrew Manganelli? We've seen some weird glasses stuff in the past. I don't know if we've seen like a specific model or anything. The Samsung event had the timeline where it showed glasses next to Muhan and also next to a triple folding.
22:32 Speaker 01 Google has shown actual glasses off, though.
22:34 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, have they? I know they did the thing where all the reporters got to go to it, but they weren't allowed to like, show photos or anything?
22:41 Speaker 01 That was Muhan. That was like, an early.
22:44 Andrew Manganelli? I think that was. No, because we were the first people who saw Muhan, and that was before that.
22:47 David Imel? I read about, there was people who did demos of the glasses as well.
22:50 Andrew Manganelli? It was in like, December.
22:51 David Imel? They couldn't show photos or videos of it, but they could describe it to people.
22:54 Speaker 01 Oh, I feel like I haven't even.
22:55 Andrew Manganelli? It's very confusing. The way they're, seem to be rolling this out, seems really confusing, but we were the first people to see, or show Muhan, at least.
23:02 Speaker 01 Well, there were reports that the new Google glasses are going to be at I O, and that reporters are going to be able to test them. I will be there, so I'll give you my hot takes.
23:10 David Imel? We shall see. If they let you record it, definitely.
23:13 Speaker 01 Yeah, yeah, we'll see.
23:15 Andrew Manganelli? If we can break your embargo.
23:17 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:17 Andrew Manganelli? Let us know.
23:18 Speaker 01 Google also made a Find My Hub.
23:20 David Imel? Yeah, so they had, they had one, they had Find My Device.
23:24 Speaker 01 Yeah.
23:25 David Imel? But they updated it.
23:26 Speaker 01 They updated it. I mean, we all know, or you've probably seen what iPhones have, which is this hub where you can find my friends, find my devices, find, or AirTags all in one place, basically. And that's what they put together here. So you can share all of your contacts, locations, you can find these in one place, you can also find any of.
23:44 Andrew Manganelli? The things that are in your devices like trackers, chipola cards, whatever it is. And it's all in one place and that's
23:52 David Imel? Yeah.
23:52 Andrew Manganelli? Nice and convenient.
23:53 David Imel? But it's cool because you can also do find my for your friends. Which you could name find my friends, but that's already taken.
24:00 Andrew Manganelli? It's taken.
24:01 David Imel? So it's
24:02 Andrew Manganelli? Find my with friends built in.
24:04 David Imel? Yeah. Find
24:05 Andrew Manganelli? Or friends with find my built in.
24:07 David Imel? Find my built in.
24:08 Andrew Manganelli? Find my Google friends.
24:09 David Imel? Find my Google friends.
24:10 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
24:10 David Imel? Yeah, I think it's cool. I think Google is really trying to mirror Apple's ecosystem and they're finally getting to that point. The main problem for them right now is nobody wants a Chromebook. And that's really the main problem.
24:24 Andrew Manganelli? Is that the main?
24:25 David Imel? They've got pretty much everything else and they have arguably more because you know, they have stuff in the cars. Cause Apple never launched their built in CarPlay thing that they talked about.
24:35 Andrew Manganelli? Is so popular.
24:36 David Imel? Yeah.
24:37 Andrew Manganelli? Like, like Apple, even without launching the built in CarPlay thing is still on a lot of people's
24:41 David Imel? For sure.
24:42 Andrew Manganelli? Screens.
24:43 David Imel? Either way, this is definitely an effort to sort of match what Apple's doing there.
24:47 Andrew Manganelli? I did like, there was one and I don't, cause I don't use find my friends. So I don't know if this is available in it, but it was like, you could share your tracking for A time limit too. So it could be like,
24:58 David Imel? Oh.
24:58 Andrew Manganelli? Because like, maybe I don't want someone tracking me all the time, but I want them to make sure I get home. Okay. So it could be like, share my location for one hour.
25:05 David Imel? Which they have on
25:06 Andrew Manganelli? Do they have that on there?
25:07 David Imel? Yeah.
25:07 Andrew Manganelli? Great idea.
25:07 David Imel? Yeah, they're just copying all of the stuff, which is great. I'm, it's good that they're doing it.
25:12 Andrew Manganelli? Use it.
25:12 David Imel? Uh, also with the find my stuff, they announced some collaborations with some airlines. They didn't say what airlines it was, but they said that you could share your find my tags and find my devices with the airlines. So it was easy for them for Which I'm never doing.
25:27 Andrew Manganelli? Never doing.
25:28 David Imel? I agree with you because they're gonna lie to you.
25:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
25:31 David Imel? And you have the info, like you know.
25:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
25:34 David Imel? Yeah. Why would the airline, the airline? Should already know where my bags are because they tag everything and scan it every time.
25:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
25:41 David Imel? But if they somehow lose it, then I have the information of where GPS is. I'm not sharing that with anybody.
25:46 Andrew Manganelli? And also, why, why do I want, I'm sure there's some sort of cutoff for it, but why do I want the potential of United knowing where my bag is at all times? Now it knows where I live. Now it knows where it's been to. Like, I, you do not need to know that, United.
25:59 Speaker 01 Yeah. And they announced a collaboration with a couple of actual suitcase partners that are going to have Androids find my built-in as well, which is interesting.
26:09 Andrew Manganelli? The airlines should be finding a couple of new air traffic controllers for Newark instead of my bag. Okay, grandpa.
26:14 David Imel? Be nice.
26:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's facts, though.
26:16 David Imel? When I fly out of Newark today, we'll see if I even fly out of Newark today.
26:19 Speaker 01 Godspeed, David.
26:20 David Imel? Thank you.
26:21 Speaker 01 Keep us posted on if your delay is over or under. I'm setting it at five and a half hours.
26:25 David Imel? It's already at one hour and I'm supposed to leave at five, so we'll see.
26:29 Speaker 01 Like I said.
26:29 David Imel? Yeah.
26:30 Speaker 01 Five and a half.
26:31 David Imel? Yeah.
26:31 Speaker 01 One last thing for Google.
26:33 David Imel? Yeah.
26:33 Speaker 01 There's a new logo, kinda. It's not actually the new Google logo so much as, you know how when you have a tab with Google open, there's a little icon that represents the, the, the Fabicon is what it's called?
26:45 David Imel? Yeah.
26:46 Speaker 01 It's just a new one of those.
26:47 David Imel? Yeah.
26:47 Speaker 01 This logo doesn't really appear anywhere else.
26:50 David Imel? I believe they updated it in the iOS app for Google Search and potentially the Android app as well.
26:58 Andrew Manganelli? The G, the singular G logo.
27:01 David Imel? The singular G logo.
27:02 Speaker 01 Okay, that has.
27:03 David Imel? Where that appears.
27:03 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it's four different colors. It used to have a hard cutoff. Now it is a gradient between the colors. I hate it.
27:12 David Imel? I think it's beautiful.
27:13 Andrew Manganelli? I hate it.
27:13 David Imel? It's beautiful. Gemini, like, they're, they're adding all this brand cohesion and Gemini is already this really nice, like, aquamarine sort of cyan blue that kind of melds into green. And it's very cool. And so they're, they're sort of just blending that with the regular Google logo.
27:30 Andrew Manganelli? Google blends too much. They already screwed up all the other app logos by making them all look exactly the same. Like, Maps looks exactly the same, Photos looks, like, they're all too similar.
27:40 David Imel? Cause they feel compelled to use all four colors in every logo.
27:44 Andrew Manganelli? Which is funny though, cause Gemini is not that.
27:46 David Imel? Right.
27:46 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:47 David Imel? And it's fine. Yeah, I think it's yeah, I could talk. They didn't have to go that hard.
27:53 Andrew Manganelli? We asked Michael and Tim about this because we're like, oh, designers, tell us what to think. And then we realized that the old logo itself also doesn't really make a lot of sense. It is not equally portioned off. None of the lines really connect to each other, like the line between green and yellow connecting to the end of the top of the G. There's like a bunch of extra space on the G and I don't know.
28:17 David Imel? Interesting to me now is how do you say what the official hex value colors of this is? And also, also, uh, they seem to be different. Like, it seems like they upped the luminance values of all four colors. So that they're not lighter. All, all of them are lighter. Even the green, the green is lighter, unless that's one of those optical illusion things.
28:40 Andrew Manganelli? For some reason, I think this specific image is a little less, a little lower quality than the other ones. So I don't know if that's part of it, but the, the green is long and makes the red feel.
28:51 David Imel? Orange.
28:51 Andrew Manganelli? A third, like 30% shorter.
28:54 David Imel? I love it.
28:56 Andrew Manganelli? I hate it.
28:57 David Imel? Uh, I want to say one more thing really quickly before we take a break. Speaking of Google, they are replacing, or at least testing, replacing the I'm feeling lucky button, which if you don't know what that is, it's, it's a callback to the original version of Google. When you could just press this button and it would send you to a random webpage, which was very similar to, uh, or a random search, I think. Which is similar to the Wikipedia random article button. And they've just kept it there forever, which I found very funny because it probably got almost no use. But they're replacing it with an AI mode button, which is basically like when you put in a search query,
29:40 David Imel? you press the AI mode button and it's just Gemini, but in a separate UX where it kind of looks like a search, but you're talking to it. And I really think that, cause originally, remember what happened is they basically made AI mode like default and they would put the AI answer at the top. People got mad about that. They've kind of been messing around with it, but now they're giving you the option to just like, you want to chat about this query instead of searching for this query?
30:06 Andrew Manganelli? If that takes away it defaulting to the AI right off the top and lets me choose, all for it.
30:11 David Imel? Yeah.
30:12 Andrew Manganelli? Also, the I'm feeling lucky button was a little different. It was you typed in your query and then it took you to one of the random results of what that was. So rather than having to scroll down.
30:21 David Imel? That's a horrible idea. It also, if you press it without a search query, will take you to a random.
30:27 Andrew Manganelli? Then it just went to random? Okay.
30:29 David Imel? That's dangerous, but it's also. Not random, it's curated. Well, yeah. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of a horrible idea to take you to a random link based on that search query, though, because like, doesn't, isn't the point of Google that they rank things and that's their whole thing?
30:42 Andrew Manganelli? I feel like.
30:42 Speaker 05 I thought it was specifically a top ranked.
30:45 David Imel? It might be the top ranked.
30:46 Speaker 05 I thought it was the.
30:46 David Imel? You're feeling lucky. You feel like the number one thing is gonna be whatever. Like, you don't even have to look at the list. It just takes you to the first one. Yeah. That would make sense. Yeah.
30:54 Andrew Manganelli? I'm seeing some people say it was a random result based on the search query.
30:58 David Imel? R slash is millennials.
31:01 Andrew Manganelli? Where I get all my information.
31:02 David Imel? Nice.
31:03 Speaker 05 I think I have an answer, folks. I'm, I'm trying to find a second source that confirms this.
31:07 David Imel? But if I ask Gemini.
31:08 Speaker 05 My preliminary research indicates that it would take you to the top ranked result for your query.
31:16 Andrew Manganelli? That makes sense.
31:16 David Imel? So it's just a faster way to get to your webpage if you trust Google that much.
31:21 Speaker 05 Or if you're feeling lucky.
31:24 David Imel? Go to the casino.
31:25 Speaker 05 Let's, well, actually.
31:27 David Imel? And I was gonna say, by that, I mean.
31:30 David Imel? Trivia.
31:31 Speaker 05 Was that, I was sort of, I was sort of flirting with the idea.
31:35 David Imel? Yeah.
31:35 Speaker 05 I decided to just send it.
31:36 David Imel? Now, you should have sent it.
31:38 Andrew Manganelli? Always send it.
31:39 David Imel? Hey.
31:42 Speaker 05 All right, folks. Google's logo has changed a bunch over the years. But one thing has always stayed consistent. Their logo has always been six characters long. G O O G L E, six characters. But what I just said was a lie, because from October 30th, 1998 to May 30th, 1999, Google's logo had seven characters in it. What was the seventh character?
32:16 David Imel? Seven.
32:17 Andrew Manganelli? Sleepy.
32:18 David Imel? Oh, I think I know it.
32:19 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
32:21 Speaker 05 Sleepy. Hey, very nice. Scrappy Doo. Is he actually the seventh dwarf?
32:27 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, that Scrappy Doo is not a dwarf?
32:30 Speaker 05 No, I'm just naming like peripheral.
32:31 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, I was talking about the seven dwarfs.
32:33 Speaker 05 Yeah, I got that.
32:36 Speaker 05 Wait, you weren't talking about Sleepy Doo? You know, like all of the different personified Scooby Doo expanded siblings? Expanded universe.
32:43 Andrew Manganelli? That's the next.
32:44 Speaker 05 Grumpy Doo. Grumpy Doo. I don't know any of the other dwarfs. Squirtle.
32:51 Speaker 05 Name. We'll be, we'll be right back.
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35:08 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. We got one real phone and one not yet real phone to talk about. Which one should we do first? The real one. I agree. I think we should do the real one first. The real phone is, we got first hands on and impressions with the Samsung Galaxy S25 Edge. I saw you went to go to reach for it. I have, I have here the Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, which by comparison is a mega thick phone at 8.2 millimeters. It's crazy. So I, we, we got to see it, we got confirmed specs, we got confirmed dimensions for the first time when we saw it. And I still like, even looking at it right in front of me, before they let me pick it up, I was like, "It's, it's thin, but it's not that much thinner." And then I said the dimensions, they
35:52 Speaker 01 said 5.8 millimeters thick. And I was like, "Hmm, okay, yeah, it's thinner, but whatever." And then you hold it and you're like, "Oh, whoa, this, this is really, really thin." Really? Yeah. It's weird. It even on video of my own hands holding it, it doesn't look that much thinner, but it is very noticeably thinner to hold. So that's what Edge is. The Edge is a phone that lives somewhere between the S25 and S25 Plus and the S25 Ultra. It's $1099 US. It's more expensive. It's more expensive than the Plus. It's less expensive than the theoretically brand new Ultra. And it's just thinner. It has the camera from the Ultra, the primary camera from the Ultra. That's weird.
36:34 Speaker 01 It has a 12 megapixel ultra wide. It has no telephoto. And it has a 3,900 milliampere battery, titanium rails. Yeah, it's just a thin, thin phone. So question. Yeah. It's not silicon carbon? It's not. Yeah, let's play the, play the sound.
36:52 Andrew Manganelli? Which, what?
36:53 Speaker 01 I don't like a sad, sad one.
36:54 Andrew Manganelli? Any sound?
36:55 Speaker 01 Not like a sad one, like a trombone.
36:57 David Imel? Bad. No, don't do that.
36:59 Speaker 01 Thank you.
36:59 David Imel? That worked pretty well.
37:00 Speaker 01 That was good. Yeah, yeah, it's not silicon carbon and, and I, and people asked about this and we got a no from Samsung. And I kind of wonder if it was how much bigger the battery could have been because the obvious comment is, "Hey Samsung, we all just want a phone with better battery at the same thickness." And all of your new phones don't have silicon carbon. If you did do this ultra-thin phone, if you did silicon carbon, it could have had the same battery life and that would have been fine. But they didn't. So that was a little bit of a head scratcher.
37:30 David Imel? Really weird.
37:31 Speaker 01 Maybe the next version, maybe some, I don't, I don't know when they plan on moving to that. I think it is a scale question. Um, if you ever look at the numbers and how, how much volume these silicon carbon battery phones are. Samsung would be by far the biggest, so maybe they can't quite secure quality batteries at that scale yet.
37:50 David Imel? I have so many things that I want you to test during the review. Cause like, I want to know, does it get hotter when you're charging it? Cause there's less thickness.
37:59 Speaker 01 Yeah. So I said, so I, I would say, watch the, watch the impressions video if you haven't already seen it. We'll link it in the show notes. My main questions, I mean, obviously there's less room in the phone, which means, okay, less battery, probably less room for thermal, I mean, not probably, obviously less room for thermal solutions.
38:15 David Imel? Yeah.
38:15 Speaker 01 So is it going to get warm? It charges at 25 watts, which is the same as the S25 plus. Um, but the S25 plus had a 4,900 milliampere battery and this is 3,900.
38:25 David Imel? Yeah.
38:25 Speaker 01 And it is, yeah, it's just, it's so, it's so thin.
38:29 David Imel? Silicon carbon is the perfect opportunity for this.
38:32 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:33 David Imel? Seems like a big miss.
38:34 Speaker 01 One, I just.
38:34 Andrew Manganelli? Sounds like their easy upgrade for next year.
38:37 Speaker 01 Yeah. I wonder, I wonder about.
38:39 Andrew Manganelli? Thinking ahead, man.
38:39 Speaker 01 Scale. So that is the edge. I, I'm curious to review the phone. It's going to come out. I know for a fact the battery will be worse than all the rest of the S25 lineup because it's the same chip, the same screen. It's the same everything else. It's just a smaller battery. So how much worse is TBD? And then the other question is like, who is this for? And will they actually be okay with this phone? And that's, that part is tricky. I think there's a theoretical person out there that does want the camera from the Ultra, the main camera.
39:13 Speaker 01 And does want to upgrade from the base S25s, but doesn't want a thick, large phone with a stylus that they don't have to carry around.
39:25 Andrew Manganelli? It's not even thick.
39:26 Speaker 01 I don't know who this person is or how many of this person exists, but is, it could be a good fit for them.
39:33 David Imel? I just think if you weren't sacrificing arguably one of the most important things in the phone.
39:37 Speaker 01 Yeah.
39:38 David Imel? If they were able to fit the same capacity.
39:40 Speaker 01 Hmm.
39:40 David Imel? It would make sense because it would be like, I'm paying the extra money for the extra flashiness of it being thinner. But I'm not really sacrificing much.
39:49 Speaker 01 Hmm.
39:49 David Imel? But now you're sacrificing a lot and you have to pay more money for a feature that nobody asked for.
39:54 Speaker 01 I think this is, the big question is going to be, does Apple have the same angle and do they secure silicon carbon at their scale?
40:02 David Imel? That's a great question.
40:03 Speaker 01 Because Apple's going to ship a lot of iPhones, like they usually do.
40:07 David Imel? Hmm.
40:07 Speaker 01 Probably more than Samsung will ship this S25 Edge. Are they going to have silicon carbon in that or are they also not going to have silicon carbon?
40:14 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think so.
40:15 Speaker 01 You don't think so?
40:15 Andrew Manganelli? They never say anything about their battery size or anything. They're consistently the smallest battery sizes. They seem to not care. They're.
40:21 Speaker 01 Which is what?
40:21 Andrew Manganelli? They have software efficiency.
40:23 Speaker 01 That's what makes it a hard sell for me because if you're Apple, I feel like the magic of that is you have to be able to go, we did this amazing magical Apple thing where we have a thinner phone that has the same battery.
40:33 David Imel? Which you could do with silicon carbon and not say silicon carbon.
40:35 Speaker 01 Yeah.
40:36 David Imel? You could just go, we have this magic.
40:38 Andrew Manganelli? I still don't think they do it.
40:39 Speaker 01 And I think you're probably right.
40:41 David Imel? We should bet because I think they do it.
40:43 Speaker 01 I, if I have to go pure logic on Samsung couldn't, I know they would want to, right? It makes too much sense. Samsung couldn't. Makes me think that Apple also can't.
40:54 Andrew Manganelli? Here's my other reasoning why. This has a 3900 milliamp hour battery.
40:59 Speaker 01 Hmm.
40:59 Andrew Manganelli? The iPhone 16 has a 3200 milliamp hour battery. So if you can fit a 3900 milliamp into this small one, you can also fit a 32 milliamp. Why, I don't think they're going to want to make the battery that much bigger.
41:11 Speaker 01 So.
41:12 Andrew Manganelli? So they can already fit what they had.
41:14 David Imel? Plus or is that?
41:15 Andrew Manganelli? No, there's a regular 16.
41:16 David Imel? This is a tall phone though, right? Like the, the Air.
41:19 Speaker 01 The Air.
41:20 David Imel? Edge. Sorry. The Edge is big.
41:22 Speaker 01 The Edge is the same size as the S25 Plus.
41:24 David Imel? Plus. Yeah.
41:25 Andrew Manganelli? That's, yeah, it's still.
41:28 Andrew Manganelli? Thirty-two between thirty-nine, like, what is the iPhone sixteen?
41:32 Speaker 01 So I think you're right about battery size, but iPhones have always had relatively small battery capacities compared to Android phones. Because they're so optimized that they don't have to have that raw.
41:45 Andrew Manganelli? Sixteen's thirty-five hundred, sorry.
41:47 Speaker 01 So I think it will be smaller, but I still think relative to the larger iPhones, it's going to be a smaller battery. And it has to be because of how thin it is. And I think that's going to make the battery life worse. And I think they have to either justify that or fix it.
42:03 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
42:03 Speaker 01 So it will probably be a twenty-seven-hundred-milliampere battery in the iPhone Air. Then what do they do?
42:10 Andrew Manganelli? Well, if we want to talk about the iPhone Air, one thing they're already getting rid of, according to this case manufacturer leak, they're getting rid of one of the cameras on the iPhone Air.
42:19 Speaker 01 Yeah.
42:19 Andrew Manganelli? So there is more room in there already.
42:21 Speaker 01 One camera.
42:22 Andrew Manganelli? One camera and a Pixel visor.
42:25 Speaker 01 Okay, this is the also thing.
42:27 Andrew Manganelli? Literally.
42:28 Speaker 01 The thing that I am, I'm trying to figure out is where will they position it in the lineup? Because Samsung just put the edge right in the middle of their lineup. Apple has used the word "air" before to mean the bottom of the lineup.
42:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
42:39 Speaker 01 And I think they might do that considering what they've, what we've seen from these leaks, which is one camera. It feels like it's the bottom of the line.
42:47 Andrew Manganelli? Well, wait, isn't air for the iPad in between the regular iPad and the Pro?
42:52 Speaker 01 So with the iPad, it's the base iPad, then the iPad Air, then the iPad Pro.
42:57 Andrew Manganelli? So it's like, it's not the Pro, but it's, it's the shape, it's the shape of a Pro, right? That's what they usually do, like, it's fancier and it's flashier, but it isn't as powerful as the Pro model.
43:08 Speaker 01 But with the MacBooks, at the bottom is the Air, and then there's the MacBook Pro above that. So the Air is the bottom, and it's the thinnest and lightest, and that's what Air meant. And then you have Pro above it, is you need more power. And so the baseline that most people buy is the Air.
43:23 Andrew Manganelli? Right.
43:23 Speaker 01 So which one of those do they do? With me, when I see single camera, I think baseline. I think, I mean, the SE has, or the 16E is the only one with one camera right now. So if the Air is gonna have one camera and then the Base has two cameras and the Pro has three cameras, to me, that hierarchy makes sense.
43:39 Andrew Manganelli? It makes sense, but if you think about it as less of how many cameras it has and how many cameras did it take away? Samsung took away a camera, but put it above a phone that has three cameras, which is weird.
43:53 Speaker 01 Yeah.
43:53 David Imel? Yeah.
43:54 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny that you went to, how many cameras does it have? One feels like the bottom. And I first thought of, how many cameras did they take away? And where can it go?
44:03 Speaker 01 I guess Samsung is less clear about like Pro has the most cameras because, well, the Ultra has an extra, extra telephoto. And then the S25s have a single telephoto. And this Air, this Edge has no telephoto.
44:17 David Imel? I have a, I have a take.
44:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
44:18 David Imel? Okay, so I think that Apple is way more fashion forward and like, do you have the new thing forward, right? Like the Samsung people who, the people who buy Samsung phones are either people who just need a phone and just go to the carrier store and just buy the Android thing. Because they know Samsung, the brand. Or they're like the power users who wanna buy the Ultra and they know that the Ultra is consistently one of the best Android phones of the year and they want the most powerful thing. And so the, the Air for them is like, there's not really that big of a group of Samsung users who are like, I wanna show off to people that I've got the thinnest, newest thing. Whereas Apple consistently tries to slightly tweak the look of something just to make sure people know you have the new one.
45:03 David Imel? Like with the, the Ultra 2 watch, it's just black.
45:06 Speaker 01 Yeah, exactly.
45:07 David Imel? Right, that's how you know. And so I think the Air for Apple, they, they can charge more for. Because people are going to be more willing to pay for something that is clearly newer than Samsung users are, who just want something that is better and don't care as much about it being newer.
45:25 Andrew Manganelli? What I'll fight back on that is, is according to this other, they show, this case manufacturer, Autofly, also showed the iPhone 17 Pro, which is a totally different back as well. So it kind of feels like the entire lineup is going to be newer.
45:38 Speaker 01 For sure.
45:38 Andrew Manganelli? For showing, so then. All, no matter what you buy is the newest thing.
45:43 Speaker 01 I think that's the take because if the iPhone 17 Air, the only things that we know about it is it has less battery and less cameras. How do you charge more for it? So I think because all of the new iPhone 17s have this new visor aesthetic, then that's their aesthetic thing to be like, oh, you have the new one. And then it'll be single camera, thin one is the base. Dual camera is the mid and then three cameras is the pro.
46:11 David Imel? Can you believe that they just released the E and now they're gonna do this? And then they're gonna have the fold next year? How many iPhones are we gonna freaking have?
46:19 Speaker 01 I keep hearing that, but like Samsung has 17 million phones. Like, we never complain, but it's like, oh, the iPhone is usually only three phones. So now when they have five, it's like, it's a lot.
46:27 David Imel? I feel like arguably part of the reason that a lot of people who don't want to think about their purchase by iPhones is because it's like, the lineup is, you don't have to use a single brain cell to decide what phone you want.
46:37 Speaker 01 Yeah, you just go and it's like, here's how much I want to spend?
46:39 David Imel? Exactly.
46:40 Speaker 01 And then, okay, they've got a phone at your price. Although with Samsung, it's like, do you want to spend $99? Do you want to spend $119? Do you want to spend $149? Do you want to spend $229? Because they have a phone at every single price.
46:49 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
46:50 Speaker 01 Where with Apple, you walk in and you're like, alright, we've got 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1,000, 11, 12, and 13. So pick one.
46:57 David Imel? Right.
46:58 Speaker 01 So they're gonna have like a folding one that's even higher? And maybe the Air slots in somewhere too?
47:02 David Imel? I feel like, I think that they are going to say it's gonna have the same battery life. And because they're going to do that, I think it is going to be more expensive than the regular iPhone, but less than the Pro.
47:16 Speaker 01 So you're going silicon carbon?
47:17 David Imel? Yeah.
47:18 Speaker 01 Okay.
47:18 David Imel? That's my guess.
47:19 Speaker 04 Oh, I just wanted to say, I'm constantly confused as the person editing these videos, trying to figure out the hierarchy of what phone is which is a total nightmare.
47:28 Speaker 01 Yeah.
47:29 Speaker 04 And if you skip a year, you don't pay attention, suddenly there's something new.
47:32 David Imel? Yeah.
47:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, Air, Air has more than one meaning in Apple land already, which is why it's not like a guaranteed sure thing where they're gonna put this one.
47:41 David Imel? Yeah.
47:42 Speaker 05 Do you know the, uh, we're not allowed to make basketball references on the podcast anymore?
47:46 Speaker 01 Why? I thought we were only allowed to make basketball references.
47:48 Speaker 05 Everyone likes that except for me. Yeah, yeah, everyone sure loves when we make basketball references.
47:52 Speaker 01 There's a lot of comments.
47:53 Speaker 05 But to reference another sport that no one said we're not allowed to talk about yet. Uh, Colin Chapman, the founder of Lotus.
48:01 Speaker 01 What's Lotus?
48:02 Speaker 05 A car company that competes in F1.
48:05 Speaker 01 Oh.
48:08 Speaker 05 They don't anymore?
48:09 Andrew Manganelli? Lotus?
48:09 Speaker 05 Yeah. When did they stop?
48:12 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know.
48:13 David Imel? That's Gemini.
48:14 Speaker 05 Fake fan.
48:15 Andrew Manganelli? That's the guy who said the wrong thing to start.
48:19 Speaker 05 No, no, no, no, no. Anyway, he has this quote talking about the Lotus F1 cars of the 60s, where he says, um, he talks about his design philosophy and he says, simplify and add lightness. It's never take stuff away to make the car lighter. It's always add lightness. And I feel like that is the Apple philosophy with what they put air on. Like, we're gonna add more and it's gonna be less.
48:46 Andrew Manganelli? Huh.
48:47 David Imel? The Renault Sport Formula One team, which later became Alpine.
48:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, it said the Lotus stopped in 2015.
48:56 David Imel? They got sold to Renault.
48:57 Andrew Manganelli? Was purchased by Renault and then Renault is Alpine.
49:00 David Imel? Fake fan.
49:01 Speaker 05 I'm the real F1 fan here, everybody.
49:05 Andrew Manganelli? Taking the chicane back to Chase.
49:09 David Imel? What is that? What is chicane?
49:10 Speaker 01 An attempted F1 segue.
49:12 David Imel? Is that a racer?
49:13 Speaker 01 I got it. I understood it.
49:14 Speaker 05 Chicane is actually the most winning F1 driver in history. His name is Chick Aine.
49:21 David Imel? Chick Aine?
49:22 Speaker 05 Yeah, and he's just stellar. Yeah. Sixty-eight championships.
49:26 Speaker 01 He's gonna believe this.
49:27 David Imel? You have to stop messing with me. There's no way that I can tell whether or not this is real or not.
49:31 Andrew Manganelli? He's going to believe this.
49:33 Speaker 05 Sixty-eight championships.
49:34 Andrew Manganelli? We've been talking about basketball the whole time.
49:36 Speaker 05 Yeah, chicane is a basketball player.
49:38 David Imel? I literally would have believed that if you had not.
49:41 Andrew Manganelli? Back to the iPhones.
49:43 Speaker 05 Kevin Durant, baby. Kevin Durant.
49:45 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I agree with David that I think this will be a middle of the lineup. I don't think this is cheapest. And I, I also think it will have the same battery life, but not be silicon carbide. But that's because the battery life's just all-day battery life. Stop asking questions. It's all day. The day might be December 25th, and it only is the day till 5 o'clock, but it's an all-day battery.
50:08 David Imel? What if it is worse battery life, but they just still say all day? That is so real.
50:11 Andrew Manganelli? I agree. We all know that's what's gonna happen, right?
50:15 David Imel? I would just be insulted if I was an Apple customer and they were like, yeah, here's our much, much thinner phone that has much less battery. But it's
50:23 Speaker 01 But it's the same all day battery.
50:25 Speaker 05 If it is worse, though, what older iPhone are they gonna like, you know how like with the 16 either like the iPhone 12 like, are they gonna be like compared to the iPhone 7?
50:35 Andrew Manganelli? Compared to Ellis's iPhone 12 mini.
50:38 Speaker 05 Compared to my 2000 milliamp hour 12 mini.
50:41 David Imel? Speaking of old iPhones, I was trying and failing to switch back to Android this weekend. Because iMessage is just the worst thing ever and trying to deregister it. Yeah, it's a great service that is horrible in every other way. I was trying to deregister it and get RCS working. And anyway, Apple has a manual like deregister your account from iMessage page on their website where you can put in your phone number and it it theoretically puts it through the servers, even though it didn't do it for me.
51:12 Speaker 01 I don't trust that.
51:12 David Imel? The phone they show on that is an iPhone 5. They've not, they've intentionally not updated that page since the iPhone 5 because they're like, yeah, we'll give you the resource, but you know, we don't want you to use it.
51:25 Speaker 01 Yeah, we don't want you to feel like we're prioritizing this.
51:27 David Imel? Yeah.
51:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's why I have two phones is I just.
51:32 David Imel? I need to ask you about that later. Anyway, that's a whole nother thing.
51:35 Andrew Manganelli? I'm surprised that page doesn't have the like, are you sure you want to go away from this? It's scary out there.
51:41 David Imel? Apple cannot control what happens on Android.
51:44 Speaker 05 And then it texts like all of your contacts automatically like.
51:48 David Imel? David's a loser. David's a loser. Okay, well, we're gonna take a hard left turn. Just like you would. Through the chicane, just like you would if you were.
51:59 Andrew Manganelli? Left and a right.
52:00 David Imel? On a run while you were wearing a Whoop.
52:04 Andrew Manganelli? A Whoop. Did you guys follow this at all this week?
52:06 David Imel? I did.
52:07 Andrew Manganelli? It's pretty funny.
52:09 David Imel? It is really funny.
52:09 Andrew Manganelli? If you on right now, search on Google.
52:14 Andrew Manganelli? Whoop 5.0, you get three.
52:18 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, three links, all one day apart. That goes, uh, whoop wants everyone to give a whoop about their new band. Then it goes, whoop angers users over free upgrade promises. Whoop backpedals on a paid upgrade. Whoops.
52:32 David Imel? So whoops. So let's just define what a whoop is for people that might not know. Uh, it's a smart watch for people who don't want the watch.
52:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
52:41 David Imel? Which it is a smart bracelet, which, you know.
52:46 Speaker 01 I say fitness band.
52:47 Speaker 05 Well, and it's, it's specific. I don't wear one, so correct me if I'm wrong, but it's specifically focused on recovery.
52:53 David Imel? Right.
52:53 Speaker 05 Right? Like, that's what sort of sets it apart.
52:55 Speaker 01 That's sort of, it's like headlining features or recovery score.
52:59 Speaker 05 Okay. The body battery, that's a.
53:01 Andrew Manganelli? No, that's a garment. Body batteries garments. I think whoop, I'm sure they didn't start it, but they were very focused on recovery and training, like to start. And I think a lot of ones caught up, which I'll talk about later, but yes, that's their whole thing. Everyone thinks whoop kind of has like the best performance metrics.
53:18 David Imel? Yeah, right.
53:19 Andrew Manganelli? But yeah, it's a, there's no time, there's no anything on the actual device. Um, it's a bracelet.
53:26 David Imel? But I like seeing the time.
53:29 Speaker 04 It kind of looks like a slot bracelet.
53:30 Andrew Manganelli? It does look like a slot bracelet.
53:33 David Imel? Uh, Andrew, do you want to break down the drama?
53:35 Andrew Manganelli? Sure, I'll go, um, well, let's start it off with what they released, which is the whoop 5.0. Actually, they released the whoop 5.0 and the whoop MG, which stands for medical grade. These new devices, um, what?
53:48 David Imel? Milligram.
53:49 Andrew Manganelli? Milligram. Um, they offer new bands, there's leather options, which are not backwards compatible with the old devices. And one of the big things they released is new tiers of subscriptions. So whoop is like famously because the device itself is pretty simple. So much of it comes in the software and the algorithm that they're playing with all the different metrics. And it's super expensive. You usually are buying like one or two years subscriptions to it, paying in advance to get discounts on that. And you upgrade as you go with the subscriptions and they're not cheap.
54:20 David Imel? But notably, uh, you don't need, you never needed to buy a new whoop if you had the subscription. So if you had a whoop one, whoop two, whatever, when the new one would come out, you were supposed to get the band for free because the subscription is so expensive.
54:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, the band, the little, uh,
54:36 David Imel? The actual tracker.
54:36 Andrew Manganelli? Not just the band, the actual tracker too that like connects into.
54:38 David Imel? Sorry, I meant the band.
54:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
54:40 David Imel? Yeah.
54:40 Andrew Manganelli? Um, and so there's different tiers now. So there's, depending on the tier and depending on which device you have, since there's two different ones, they all do different things. They're either $199 a year, $239 a year, or $359 a year, and they include different.
54:56 David Imel? Yeah.
54:57 Andrew Manganelli? Tracking, or whatever you want to say. Um, I'm sure if you're really into this, you like all the different ones, but, uh, yeah, I don't really care about anything other than the, the lowest tier.
55:08 David Imel? Yeah.
55:08 Andrew Manganelli? Um, and then, so like what David said, or actually, real quick, I wanted to say something because I think it's very funny. When you look at these memberships, there's a little link that says additional medical information below, which basically just brings you to four different asterisks about how all these different things are not actual for medical use, which we all agree on, but then calling something the medical grade version and then immediately saying, this is not for medical use, felt weird. Just don't call it the medical grade version.
55:35 David Imel? Right.
55:36 Andrew Manganelli? Anyways.
55:36 David Imel? We're using the same components as they use at the hospital, but it hasn't actually been certified.
55:41 Andrew Manganelli? And like the stuff we're giving you doesn't necessarily mean we're giving you all the correct information that.
55:46 David Imel? Right.
55:46 Andrew Manganelli? Actual.
55:47 David Imel? This is not financial advice.
55:48 Andrew Manganelli? This, yeah.
55:49 David Imel? Basically.
55:50 Andrew Manganelli? Basically. It's literally that.
55:52 David Imel? Pretty much that.
55:53 Andrew Manganelli? Um, but the backlash comes from when they announced this, they showed that you could extend your membership for 12 months and receive the new hardware, or you can pay a one-time upgrade fee, which was either $49 for the 5.0 or $79 for the new hardware. The issue is, right before they announced this, and up to within, I think, two months of when like the, the Verge posted this screenshot, um, from their website as late as, it's like March 28th, so not that long ago. And on their website, it says, just like other memberships, Whoop is committed to releasing new and regular updates constantly without requiring the purchase of a new device. All updates are available within the app.
56:33 Andrew Manganelli? Additionally, instead of purchasing new hardware every time an updated model is produced, Whoop members receive the next generation for free after having been a member for six months or more. Yeah, this was saying you need to renew for 12 months. So totally different.
56:48 David Imel? Yeah, so they removed this verbiage that said that you got new hardware for free as long as you were a member for 12 months.
56:54 Andrew Manganelli? Six months.
56:55 David Imel? Six months or more, like a couple of months before the new one came out. Which required an upgrade is what they're saying.
57:02 Andrew Manganelli? Which required either buying 12 more months or a one-time fee.
57:07 David Imel? Of buying the actual device.
57:08 Andrew Manganelli? The reason this is like really important is because a lot of people, the way they sell the Whoop membership is you can buy within, you can buy a year or you can buy two years. You may even be able to buy three years, but they, they make each month cheaper. You get a discount by doing that.
57:23 David Imel? Yeah.
57:23 Andrew Manganelli? So being, there are a lot of people who are six months into their Whoop membership and still have a year and a half left, who don't want to add 12 more months on top of that or pay 50 bucks. It's just straight up not what they were promised.
57:36 David Imel? Right.
57:37 Andrew Manganelli? So, you know, Whoop posts this to Reddit, their Whoop Reddit to get a bunch of feedback and immediately just get annihilated by the comments. Because
57:46 David Imel? Shocker.
57:47 Andrew Manganelli? Of course, yeah, it's the internet. It lives forever. People immediately found where it promised. And everyone in the comments was like, I'm canceling. This is literally the exact opposite thing of why I purchased Whooped. I was going to get free upgrades on devices. I only ever had to care about my subscription. Now you're charging me 50 or 80 dollars.
58:05 David Imel? The number one rule of the internet is never charge for something that was previously free. Yeah.
58:11 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, this was, this like semi reminds me of like the Rivian, like, oh, you guys all made your preorder and now we're charging more for it. And then had to backtrack on it. I'm glad we're at the point where the internet's big enough where we can, uh, make companies give us what they actually promised.
58:27 David Imel? Well, a lot of people were canceling.
58:29 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure they were.
58:31 David Imel? This is a community that's like, you know, the Apple Watch, if Apple did something like this, it probably wouldn't, it would cause a backlash, but not as big because like, there's a lot of people are just not connected to the news whatsoever. But this is like a specialty fitness tracker and I, most of the people who own these things are probably like on the subreddit, like talking about this thing all the time. Community thing, yeah. Yeah. So they have a lot more power.
58:53 Andrew Manganelli? They fixed it. They went back to, um, if you have 12 months remaining on your membership, uh, Or if you extend another 12 months, you'll get the device for free. So they did go back and they did fix it.
59:06 Speaker 01 Yeah.
59:07 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. Other than that, it's a new whoop device. I still have no idea why anyone would want one. I think most smartwatches give all of the things that-
59:14 Speaker 01 They don't want smartwatches.
59:16 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, I will agree there. If you don't, if you want to wear like a regular watch and still want all the tracking.
59:21 Speaker 01 But then-
59:22 Andrew Manganelli? This is great. I just don't think-
59:24 Speaker 01 How is it? It's not a regular watch, though. That's the thing.
59:26 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
59:27 Speaker 01 What do you mean? Like, it's a band.
59:29 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. So you wear like a real watch, like your Casio on your left hand and then the band on your right hand?
59:34 Speaker 01 On your right hand.
59:34 Andrew Manganelli? Then you get all of the uh-
59:36 Speaker 01 Your, or your bicep or somewhere else.
59:38 Andrew Manganelli? Can you put it on your bicep?
59:39 Speaker 01 Yeah. I mean, you can wear it. There's attachments to wear it on your chest strap or to wear it on your bicep or whatever.
59:44 Andrew Manganelli? Underwear that you can put-
59:45 Speaker 01 What? I don't know about that.
59:47 Andrew Manganelli? They do. Hey, they do. I'm just saying, I'm not saying- There's underwear where it has a little thing and it like-
59:52 Speaker 01 I didn't know that.
59:53 Andrew Manganelli? Clips into there or something.
59:54 Speaker 01 But yeah, that, I guess the point of it, the point of a whoop that I've seen is is people who want to do the fitness tracking, the sleep tracking, don't want a big bulky smartwatch, just want the band and that's it.
1:00:03 Andrew Manganelli? I think my issue is I think a lot of the people early on were like their metrics blow everyone else out of the water. And I think a lot of people still think that, but I don't know how much I believe it anymore with so many other smartwatch manufacturers really diving into health metrics and-
1:00:17 Speaker 01 I could tell you right now, their step tracker is doo doo water.
1:00:20 Andrew Manganelli? Is it really?
1:00:20 Speaker 01 It's trash.
1:00:21 Andrew Manganelli? It's beta. It's in beta. It might be out of beta by now, but-
1:00:24 Speaker 01 I did the thousand steps thing.
1:00:25 Andrew Manganelli? With the whoop?
1:00:26 Speaker 01 It was like 10% off. It was really far off.
1:00:29 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, my gosh.
1:00:30 Speaker 01 You can watch that short if you want. I took a thousand steps in every type of wearable.
1:00:33 Andrew Manganelli? I remember that and it is kind of insane how bad a lot of these things are at actually tracking accurately.
1:00:40 Speaker 01 Yes. Yeah. I think the whoop was so bad, we didn't even put it in the video.
1:00:44 Andrew Manganelli? I think if anyone wants like to know, watch our Dr. Mike interview if you want a little more about how much you should take into account what these trackers are. It's mostly for fun and entertainment and sometimes a good motivation and look at trends versus looking at-
1:00:59 Speaker 01 Right. It's all trend data. Like you're not, you shouldn't be looking at the exact, just like how calories are definitely not accurate. Like the FDA allows you to be like 20% off when you list calorie counts on things.
1:01:10 Andrew Manganelli? As long as you're the same 20% off every time.
1:01:14 David Imel? Vaguely.
1:01:14 Speaker 01 And that way you can track your trend instead of the count of the calories.
1:01:17 David Imel? Yeah.
1:01:18 Speaker 01 Which is, yeah, that's what Apple does with temperature.
1:01:20 David Imel? Yeah, right.
1:01:21 Speaker 01 So, yeah.
1:01:21 David Imel? That's what Pixel does with the thermometer on the phone for some freaking reason.
1:01:26 Speaker 01 Case anyone was wondering, spoiler alert, 1,000 steps with every wearable. The iPhone measured 1,033 steps. The Pixel phone measured 1,021 steps.
1:01:35 David Imel? Are you talking about watches?
1:01:36 Speaker 01 No, I'm doing all the wearables.
1:01:38 David Imel? But.
1:01:39 Speaker 01 You can wear a pedometer. It counted 1,074 steps. I wore a Pixel watch. It counted 1,012. I wore an Apple watch. It counted 991. I wore a Galaxy Ring that counted 1,006. And the Whoop counted over 1,200 steps.
1:01:54 David Imel? Oh, my gosh.
1:01:55 Speaker 01 So we went, eh, probably. Wow.
1:01:57 Speaker 04 Another W for the Pixel watch?
1:01:59 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:01 Speaker 01 Another W.
1:02:01 Andrew Manganelli? And the Samsung Ring.
1:02:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:02:03 David Imel? Yeah, I'm surprised about that.
1:02:05 Speaker 01 The more you know.
1:02:06 David Imel? The more you know.
1:02:07 Speaker 01 All right, we'll take a quick break, which means trivia.
1:02:13 Speaker 05 Scooby dooby doo, where are you? Yeah, not to toot my own horn, but you guys notice it's been like months since the lights broke.
1:02:22 Speaker 01 Why would you say that out loud?
1:02:24 Speaker 05 Because I'm proud of myself, man.
1:02:25 Speaker 01 Well, when they don't work for the answers later.
1:02:28 Speaker 05 Can I?
1:02:30 David Imel? For the what?
1:02:30 Speaker 05 Oh, my gosh. Anyway, so earlier in the episode, we talked about a phone case company leaking a new iPhone, which is not the first time we've seen it. But guys, if you ask me, we're living in a boring timeline. You know, okay, like, yeah, someone got the specs and accidentally. Remember back in the old day? Remember when Apple employees were leaving iPhones at bars at Redwood City?
1:02:55 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, brother.
1:02:56 Speaker 05 What iPhone did that guy leave in a bar?
1:02:59 Speaker 01 Oh, I almost just said it out loud.
1:03:01 Andrew Manganelli? Do you remember when, was it the iPhone X that slipped out of Tim Cook's pocket on Steve?
1:03:06 David Imel? Yeah.
1:03:07 Andrew Manganelli? That was awesome.
1:03:08 David Imel? Yeah.
1:03:08 Andrew Manganelli? Did that really happen?
1:03:08 Speaker 05 You don't remember that? No, yeah.
1:03:10 David Imel? It slipped out of his, his pocket while he was giving an interview on stage.
1:03:14 Andrew Manganelli? And we all saw it.
1:03:16 David Imel? Conference or something?
1:03:17 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, iPhone X.
1:03:18 Speaker 05 I.
1:03:19 Andrew Manganelli? You remember.
1:03:19 Speaker 05 I am very proud to have seen an iPhone 5 in the wild before it was released.
1:03:25 Speaker 01 Are you allowed to say how?
1:03:27 Speaker 05 Yes, because this is so long ago. I, in high school, took the subway to school every day. And I was getting on the subway.
1:03:33 David Imel? In LA?
1:03:34 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:03:34 David Imel? They have subways in LA.
1:03:35 Speaker 05 Get, get, get out. Leave right now, literally.
1:03:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, I just remember seeing a guy with a tall, skinny metal iPhone on the subway and just thinking, that's definitely an iPhone. Like, it has the home, like, that is unmistakably an iPhone, but I have never seen that before in my life.
1:03:52 Speaker 01 And he's just using it?
1:03:53 Speaker 05 Yeah, just using it, like, yeah. I'd like David said, you know, the subway is not a particularly used thing in Los Angeles.
1:04:00 Speaker 01 Yeah, there are many other good sandwich options there.
1:04:05 Andrew Manganelli? This is, this is the video real quick. At the start of this video, it is already halfway out of his pocket.
1:04:10 Speaker 05 It's like-
1:04:11 Andrew Manganelli? And it was the double camera, like, you could tell it was a totally different phone at that point.
1:04:15 Speaker 01 It's being birthed.
1:04:16 Andrew Manganelli? And it just, it just slides out and goes on the-
1:04:19 Speaker 01 I totally forgot about this.
1:04:20 Andrew Manganelli? And then he, like, picks it up kind of nonchalantly.
1:04:22 Speaker 01 Wow. I forgot that that happened. Yeah.
1:04:25 Andrew Manganelli? I'm surprised Tim Cook didn't pull out the Men in Black flash thing and just hit the whole audience with it right there.
1:04:31 Speaker 05 The secret Apple police, like, breaks through the windows.
1:04:35 Speaker 01 It falls onto the chair that he's sitting on and it falls so that it's face up. And I think he realizes, like, well, if it's face up, people won't be able to see the camera bump. And that's the number one thing I'm worried about. So he doesn't put it back in his pocket. He just, like, leaves it there.
1:04:48 Andrew Manganelli? He leaves it there, yeah.
1:04:50 Speaker 01 I just, I'm surprised they would let Tim Cook go onstage with an unreleased product-
1:04:55 Speaker 05 Especially an iPhone.
1:04:56 Speaker 01 In his pocket.
1:04:56 Speaker 05 Especially-
1:04:57 Speaker 01 Like, just had, just give it to your assistant backstage while you're out there. I just, I'm surprised they let him do that.
1:05:01 Speaker 05 I wonder if this was like a turning point for Mr. Cook, because watching this video, this is pre-Sneaker Tim Cook. He's wearing what looks like Oxford's in this. And I wonder if, if this was the moment where he was like, nah, I can't be-
1:05:15 Speaker 01 He had his Zuck glow up?
1:05:16 Speaker 05 I got it.
1:05:17 Speaker 01 Interesting. All right. Well, we'll think about that answer, about the, the, you know, unreleased iPhone that was in a bar that one time.
1:05:24 Speaker 05 The question that we did ask.
1:05:25 Speaker 01 Answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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1:07:41 Speaker 01 All right, we back. Last story we wanted to talk about real quick is Spotify AI DJ. I've been a long time user and I'm curious to hear you guys thoughts on Spotify AI DJ, but it just got a new feature. Oh, not a fan.
1:07:55 David Imel? Not a fan.
1:07:55 Speaker 01 That's not a fan.
1:07:56 David Imel? Not a fan.
1:07:57 Speaker 01 And I want to hear why, but it just added a feature that lets you talk to it and actually request things. So as of, as of this moment, before this feature got added, you open the DJ and it just does its thing. It decides what the vibes are. It starts with a bank of five songs or whatever, and it just moves from beat to beat and narrates in between and it does this thing. And then sometimes it hits, sometimes it doesn't. You just skip, skip, skip if you don't like it.
1:08:21 David Imel? Yeah.
1:08:21 Speaker 01 But if you want to specifically request a specific type of song or a certain song, like you would with an actual DJ, that's now a feature. And I think that's fire. I just did about a 15 hour road trip that was a whole bunch of cities in a row and I listened to a lot of songs, thanks to the Spotify AI DJ.
1:08:42 David Imel? Wow.
1:08:42 Speaker 01 No regrets.
1:08:43 David Imel? What's up, David?
1:08:45 Speaker 01 Is that your impression?
1:08:46 David Imel? Now we're gonna take it back to 1997. Your parents were arguing in the other room. You didn't know what to do. You started crying.
1:08:55 Speaker 01 It does.
1:08:56 David Imel? Here's Mariah Carey.
1:08:57 Speaker 01 History. It does know what you, because it has your entire listening history as well. So it'll be like, this is what you were listening to in 2010.
1:09:04 David Imel? Which I really like because subtle flex. I was the 53rd person in the United States to use Spotify.
1:09:12 Speaker 01 Oh, so you got a lot of listening history.
1:09:13 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:14 Speaker 01 Wow.
1:09:14 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:14 Speaker 01 So, yeah.
1:09:15 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:16 Andrew Manganelli? When you said you could request a song, my first thought was, that's what the search bar is for. But I wanted to test it this morning and I listened to the DJ the whole car ride in and I think I've changed my mind on it.
1:09:26 David Imel? Oh, my goodness.
1:09:27 Andrew Manganelli? And I think I like X now.
1:09:29 David Imel? It's great.
1:09:30 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, I think I like X the DJ, not X the website.
1:09:32 Speaker 01 The DJ.
1:09:33 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, Xavier. I want to make that very clear. But I think I'm pro Spotify DJ, even though I don't have the request button yet.
1:09:40 David Imel? Yeah.
1:09:40 Andrew Manganelli? But it played some bangers. It went from Bleachers to the Demon Slayer theme song pretty quickly. And I was like, oh, and then it did Higher by Creed, back to back to back. So I was like, you just know me.
1:09:55 David Imel? Xavier was like, how do I get him? How do I get him?
1:09:58 Speaker 01 I know just the thing.
1:10:00 David Imel? Ellis, why don't you like the Spotify DJ?
1:10:02 Speaker 05 I am so glad you asked, Marquez, because it's not about Mr. Xavier himself.
1:10:07 Andrew Manganelli? Can I take a guess?
1:10:08 Speaker 05 Sure.
1:10:09 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry to interrupt.
1:10:09 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:10:10 Andrew Manganelli? The crossfading between songs is like-
1:10:12 David Imel? I hate that. I do hate that.
1:10:13 Andrew Manganelli? It's too much.
1:10:14 David Imel? It's too early.
1:10:15 Speaker 05 Well-
1:10:16 Andrew Manganelli? It's too early.
1:10:17 Speaker 05 It is not good, and it's, there's this sort of like extra rub it in factor of like, I'm one of those people that really appreciates like the skill of DJing, and I don't mean just like scratching and doing all that, just like, a DJ's ability to pick good music in an age where there's so much music, and then creatively blend all that music together, I just think is a really great thing.
1:10:41 David Imel? So you say that.
1:10:41 Speaker 05 Mm-hmm.
1:10:42 David Imel? But have you tried the-
1:10:43 Speaker 05 Yeah, all the time. It does some interesting things, and it's not like I've, it's not like every single recommendation is bad, but compared to what could be, I think it's pretty trite.
1:10:57 David Imel? Mostly what the DJ seems to do for me is that it just plays music that I listened to like a couple of years ago.
1:11:04 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:11:04 David Imel? And like, that's nice because it gets me out of my current loop. But it doesn't really introduce new music to me, and then when it does introduce new music to me, it's usually music I absolutely hate.
1:11:16 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I think it, the two things I found it does is, it's either basically just like, here's your most played playlist from X amount of years ago.
1:11:24 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:24 Andrew Manganelli? Or it was doing, uh, like, here's an artist you like, but a song from them you don't listen to.
1:11:30 David Imel? Mm-hmm.
1:11:30 Andrew Manganelli? And I thought that was interesting. Like, that's a good way to bring some music in, but again, that's very user database.
1:11:36 David Imel? Yeah.
1:11:36 Andrew Manganelli? And I don't, I agree with Ellis, I don't necessarily know if they all mesh together. I think this request thing, though, I'm hoping can be like, play me, I just, all I've thought of was the Android thing the other day of like, make me a playlist for a 10-minute one-mile run, which is just-
1:11:53 David Imel? Two songs.
1:11:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yes, two songs. But anyways, but like, play me music that's like more low-key, or maybe something that's more upbeat for pump up because I'm going to play an Ultimate Frisbee game. I'm hoping it can bring that better.
1:12:05 Speaker 05 I just want to say also, like, I do think this works- On YouTube because for two reasons. One, we're still in the Wild West of YouTube, right? There's no like, there's no for sure way that you know how to classify a YouTube video and assign traits to a YouTube video. And the, the things we get out of YouTube videos are very different than music. With music, we have like 300 years of academic data on like how we can describe music and classify music and assign traits to music. And a strong curator can use that 300 years of data to make really insightful and moving and cool recommendations. And so I think the idea of just throwing all of that away for retention maxing is like,
1:12:50 Speaker 05 what's the point?
1:12:51 David Imel? I will say, so something that Spotify has created over time is basically these smaller artists that will now tour with each other because they know that when you listen to a certain artist on Spotify, it will recommend you another artist that is like similar in the user data metric of like, oh, people who liked this artist also liked this artist. The problem with it is that it's a circle. It's a flat circle of like six artists. So in 2017, I was like listening to Cake and then I got, then I got recommended Lawrence and then I got recommended like a couple of other artists, but they only recommend each other. It goes in a circle where they only recommend each other. It never peaks out of that like contained bubble.
1:13:35 David Imel? And this has worked for Spotify because then they introduced these features where it's like artists near me and it can recommend shows that are playing. I'm sure that they're getting a kickback from that, right? And so it created this kind of micro market where they can tour artists together that maybe wouldn't have enough of an audience on their own, but because people that like that artist, like other artists, they have more incentive to go to these shows. That's a kind of cool thing, but it doesn't peak out of the bubble. So now it's like the artists that I'm listening to are the same artists I was listening, that I discovered in 2017 off of that one off thing that Spotify helped me with. But I want to keep learning about more music.
1:14:13 Speaker 05 And then it also, it creates. And then it also creates an issue in like the economy of it all, right?
1:14:19 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:19 Speaker 05 Because on YouTube, when a user clicks on a video, in theory, there is money waiting in escrow that a corporation has put forward into the AdSense auction.
1:14:30 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:30 Speaker 05 Is going to go to that creator, right?
1:14:33 David Imel? Yeah, right.
1:14:34 Speaker 05 The Spotify platform, where there is a bulk of money that is then divided amongst all the streams, there's only so much pie each artist, only so many shares of the pie each artist can get. And when there's no data to explain why something was recommended to you, there is nothing to stop payola.
1:14:52 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:52 Speaker 05 Right? There's literally no way we could stop it.
1:14:54 David Imel? Which is why Espresso was the song of the summer.
1:14:57 Speaker 05 Oh, we're not gonna, we're not gonna get into conspiracy theories.
1:15:00 David Imel? Listen to the Today Explained episode on it.
1:15:02 Speaker 05 But also, or it's like, it's, anyway, I think it creates all these issues. I think it's not, it becomes not about music and just about retention maxing. And so, yeah, Spotify, Spotify DJ Xavier, I'm sure you're a lovely guy, but the robot incarnate of you, I really am not a fan of.
1:15:18 Andrew Manganelli? It's funny, because everything you said there about retention maxing, Spotify's like,
1:15:22 David Imel? Hell, yeah.
1:15:22 Andrew Manganelli? working perfectly.
1:15:24 David Imel? Working as intended.
1:15:25 Andrew Manganelli? Thanks for the greatest compliment, Ellis.
1:15:26 David Imel? Yeah, I mean, it's also why they're making the AI-generated playlists and songs and stuff, so they don't have to pay out anybody, but.
1:15:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, I think, I think there's like levels to how much you can randomize. Like, music discovery is ideal. You were saying like it's a flat circle, so there's no way out of the circle.
1:15:39 David Imel? Yeah.
1:15:39 Speaker 01 There's also no way into the circle. Like, if you listen to other stuff, you're not gonna get recommended into that circle.
1:15:43 David Imel? Yeah.
1:15:44 Speaker 01 But I do think, in general, people want to be recommended some extra music outside of their current bubble.
1:15:52 David Imel? For sure.
1:15:53 Speaker 01 And if you just, literally, I'm feeling lucky, all of music, you're gonna get random crap that you don't care about.
1:15:59 David Imel? Yeah, there's a lot.
1:15:59 Speaker 01 So the whole idea is how does Spotify find just the right mix of things that are just a little bit outside your bubble that it can bring you into and start to expand your horizons? And pure shuffle wouldn't do it, but I think the AI DJ is a little bit better than just my own music.
1:16:16 David Imel? Well, I also imagine that like all of those metrics that Ellis was talking about earlier, like music can be defined as a gradient, right? Because you could have all of these characteristics of different bands and different songs. And if you've got a band and song that's very close in most characteristics, but has one or two different, you could slowly transition a user to an artist they've never heard of before that has very similar style and characteristics. That's what I would love.
1:16:41 Speaker 01 So on my ridiculously long road trip, I had several instances of, oh, my God, I think I've run out of all of the music. Because I've just listened to all of music. It's been 12 hours and what am I still doing here? I think I've heard every song. And so if I go in and I think I randomly just went in, just give me greatest hits by Michael Jackson. So I typed in Michael Jackson and went to his artist page and started with the first one and just let it go. And once you get past the top 10, then it starts shuffling in others that are other Michael Jackson songs or other hits from related artists to Michael Jackson. And it starts moving. And that's not the AI DJ, but that's the same type of behavior I'm looking for, which is take my music library, shuffle that a bit, but also once in a while poke out of the bubble a little bit and give me some new stuff.
1:17:25 Speaker 01 So I plan on asking the AI DJ for all kinds of random genres and beats for next time I'm driving.
1:17:32 Andrew Manganelli? I think AI DJ is just, it's like their new smart playlist at this point. Calling it a DJ like makes it a little more personal and feel more like AI. But I really just feel like they fixed their playlist because I've never loved their playlist. Because it's either so short that, like you said, it starts bringing in other stuff or it's so long that I feel like all listen to the same songs and never get to the half of the other songs that are in my playlist.
1:17:54 David Imel? Well, people have different opinions on this and it can be good or bad. But I created something many moons ago that is much better than this. You can just go to bangersonly.net and you'll get all the best music. That's all you need to do.
1:18:07 Speaker 04 Good plug.
1:18:07 David Imel? Still hosting. We're still streaming 24/7.
1:18:11 Speaker 04 Can I say my call with Spotify DJ? He gets stuck in loops where if you only exclusively listen to Spotify DJ, he'll just keep giving you the same exact playlist over and over.
1:18:21 David Imel? Oh, yeah, true.
1:18:23 Speaker 04 And he needs to figure it out because I asked him for my Brat Summer playlist and he played me the Brat's Dolls movie. So that's all I want to say.
1:18:31 David Imel? The most Siri thing ever.
1:18:33 Speaker 04 So work on it a little bit.
1:18:34 Andrew Manganelli? Was that a request you did or?
1:18:36 Speaker 01 A DJ request?
1:18:37 Speaker 04 Yep.
1:18:38 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, really?
1:18:38 Speaker 04 I said Brat Summer and he said Brat's Dolls, you won it. So.
1:18:43 Speaker 01 I guess that's a tough.
1:18:44 Andrew Manganelli? Did you listen? Did you listen to the song?
1:18:47 Speaker 04 To the Bratz?
1:18:48 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:18:48 David Imel? Bratz movie.
1:18:49 Speaker 04 Unfortunately, I did.
1:18:50 Andrew Manganelli? You did?
1:18:51 David Imel? Soundtrack?
1:18:51 Speaker 04 It was kinda good, I'm not gonna watch it. I mean.
1:18:54 Andrew Manganelli? That sounds, that sounds like a win.
1:18:56 David Imel? By the black eyes.
1:18:56 Andrew Manganelli? It sounds kind of like an old DJ where you have a crappy cellphone connection, you waited on hold for 10 minutes, asked them for their request, they didn't hear you correctly, and played something completely different in it.
1:19:06 David Imel? Could happen. I think this is a perfect place.
1:19:08 Andrew Manganelli? For trivia?
1:19:08 David Imel? To put the train back on the rails with some trivia.
1:19:13 David Imel? Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam.
1:19:15 Speaker 01 Alan.
1:19:16 David Imel? Adam.
1:19:17 Speaker 01 Alan.
1:19:18 Speaker 05 So, guys, question number one. The Google logo has always had six characters, except for one time between October of 98 and May of 99. Google's logo had seven characters during that period. What was the seventh character?
1:19:38 Speaker 05 Look at those working lights. Look at them, look at them go. Look at them.
1:19:43 Andrew Manganelli? Don't you dare.
1:19:47 David Imel? Hot Goblin strikes again.
1:19:48 Andrew Manganelli? Hot, oh, yeah, he's the hot Goblin.
1:19:50 David Imel? Also, this is the market that doesn't work.
1:19:52 Andrew Manganelli? At all?
1:19:53 David Imel? Oh, do you want? It works barely.
1:19:57 Andrew Manganelli? We'll throw that one out.
1:19:57 David Imel? Is it illegible? Kind of.
1:19:59 Andrew Manganelli? Alright. Do you want to use this one?
1:20:01 David Imel? Yeah, it's okay. Alright.
1:20:04 Speaker 05 Alright, boys, flip those boards around and read.
1:20:07 David Imel? Ah, I.
1:20:08 Andrew Manganelli? No, we all said something different.
1:20:10 Speaker 05 Marquez, why don't you go first?
1:20:11 Speaker 01 We all said different things. I said an extra O.
1:20:14 David Imel? Oh, thank God. That was gonna be my guess.
1:20:16 Andrew Manganelli? I said a period.
1:20:18 David Imel? I said an exclamation point.
1:20:19 Speaker 05 That is correct. For that brief period, Google was what they said.
1:20:24 David Imel? Yeah. That, no, the brief period, which is what an exclamation point is.
1:20:30 Speaker 05 Google having an extra O does sound kind of.
1:20:32 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, because when, well, I feel like.
1:20:35 David Imel? At the bottom of the page, there's all of the, it has a bunch of extra Os, and the Os are just links to the other pages.
1:20:41 Andrew Manganelli? We live in a time right now where no one's made it that far down the Google search.
1:20:45 Speaker 01 Yeah, it's been a while since you're at the bottom of the page, huh?
1:20:48 Andrew Manganelli? Actually, do they even still do it?
1:20:49 Speaker 01 They do.
1:20:51 David Imel? Get on that point?
1:20:51 Speaker 01 Actually, no, they just infinite scroll now, don't they?
1:20:53 Speaker 05 Alright, guys, question number two.
1:20:55 David Imel? Take down the website.
1:20:57 Speaker 05 Boring iPhones like the 17 Air get leaked via case websites. But which iPhone was accidentally left in a bar in Redwood City, California?
1:21:10 David Imel? In which Tim Cook called the reporter and was like, we are going to sue the hell out of you. Sorry, not Tim Cook. Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs.
1:21:20 Speaker 05 What's the difference? I'm sorry.
1:21:22 Andrew Manganelli? If you put Google with 42 O's in the URL, it doesn't bring you to Google. It brings you to a WordPress page that says something new is coming.
1:21:32 Speaker 05 Are they saving it for the Pixel 42?
1:21:38 Speaker 05 Alright guys, who would like to go first?
1:21:40 Andrew Manganelli? Me.
1:21:41 Speaker 05 Andrew.
1:21:41 Andrew Manganelli? Six. There we go.
1:21:45 David Imel? 'Twas the iPhone 4.
1:21:48 Speaker 05 It was indeed the iPhone 4.
1:21:49 David Imel? All new design.
1:21:51 Speaker 05 David and one point for Marquez. Alright, guys. The scores for trivia right now are getting pretty crazy. I think we might need to extrav this pretty soon. Because Andrew, what's like the opposite of pole position? What is?
1:22:09 Andrew Manganelli? DNF.
1:22:10 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:22:10 Andrew Manganelli? Oh no, starting from the pits.
1:22:12 Speaker 05 You're gonna F, so don't worry.
1:22:15 Speaker 05 It means I'm out of lies to tell. I've told too many. DNF stands for did not finish. It's a racist thing.
1:22:21 Andrew Manganelli? Also, I'm starting from the pits.
1:22:22 Speaker 05 There you go. Yeah, Andrew's starting from the pits. Also, just see, a chicane is not a basketball player. It's like an S-turn in a racetrack.
1:22:29 David Imel? Chican O'Neil?
1:22:30 Speaker 05 Yeah, exactly. That's where they get the name from.
1:22:36 Speaker 05 I can't stop lying.
1:22:38 David Imel? Shaq Fu.
1:22:39 Speaker 05 So Andrew, you are starting in the pits with 12 points.
1:22:43 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:22:45 Speaker 05 Pretty, you know, pretty competitive.
1:22:47 David Imel? 12's a good number though.
1:22:47 Speaker 05 Because Marquez is only one point ahead of you with 13. I'm just kidding. He has 23 points. He is 11 points ahead of you. And David is in first place with 28 points.
1:23:01 Andrew Manganelli? Sheesh.
1:23:02 Speaker 05 28 points. So we're definitely gonna need to do some ginormous point offerings.
1:23:09 Speaker 05 And trivia extravaganza, which I'm still accepting ideas for how we want to do it.
1:23:12 Speaker 01 Give me an opportunity, Ellis. I still haven't won any of them.
1:23:15 Speaker 05 Really? You've never won a season of trivia?
1:23:17 Speaker 01 No, Mark has won twice and Andrew won once. Yeah. Well, you know, mathematically, we'll make it possible for anyone. Yeah.
1:23:24 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:23:25 Speaker 01 Google lost once because it got negative.
1:23:27 Speaker 05 We'll just have like, we'll just have a 100 point section about the X-Pan and.
1:23:32 Speaker 01 Hmm, sounds a little brave if you ask me, but thanks for watching and listening this week. We appreciate, well, my Google lit up. That was random. We appreciate you all for subscribing. And also if you have suggestions for what we should do with the trivia extravaganza, feel free to leave it in a comment. Next week is I-O week. It is, and many more things, of course. Feel free to request your Spotify AI DJ plays more waveform in between your hype tracks. It just starts a waveform episode.
1:23:59 Andrew Manganelli? That is the hype track.
1:24:01 Speaker 01 That is maybe the hype track. And then it plays the weird song that Ellis made to play every three songs. And then loops all three of those things. It'll be great.
1:24:07 Speaker 05 And then some, and then some gets in your car.
1:24:10 Speaker 01 And you have to drive them somewhere. See you next week. Peace. Goodbye.
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1:24:22 Andrew Manganelli? She did everything.
1:24:23 Speaker 01 You said some words.
1:24:23 Andrew Manganelli? And we're partnered with Vox Media Podcast Network and our introductory music was created by Mariah Zink. Just kidding, Vane still.
1:24:29 Speaker 01 Dang, she's a music. Have you ever seen Vane still and Mariah Zink in the same room? Oh, shoo. Bingo.
1:24:48 Speaker 05 You guys want to hear the only Spanish language joke I know?
1:24:52 Speaker 01 Si.
1:24:53 Speaker 05 Que es in English? Pollo as chicken, pero re pollo no es re chicken.
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