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What is your vision? Featuring Eric Gee. Podcast Session 1.
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Tell me about your vision.
You know, I would just, I would really love for everyone to just understand that the things around us don't necessarily, might not necessarily match who we're meant to be. And I think that's a big thing. Um, when you realize that half the population fit into like one personality pack or group. I call them packs because I use animals to signify my personality type. So, um, that's a lot of people that fit into one pack and their values and their, their desires tend to get pushed on the other half of the population. I think it's just important. My vision is that everyone figures out what truly makes them happy. So, and as early as possible, so they can kind of go towards that for the rest of their life versus like spending half our lives pursuing something that we really don't love.
And you know, with that being said, I think that there's a little bit more of a challenge with social media. How does that uh, take place in this personality and, and, and where do you go with that?
You know, it's great. I had this, I'm just going to disclose, I have a student and I always like to ask my students, if you had, if a genie came out of the bottle and gave you one wish, what would you want to be? And I had a student say, real estate agent. I'm like, okay, that's great. Like, I want to know what you want to do because I can help you try to get towards that path, right? Or go on that path. And I was like, why do you want to be a real estate agent? And she was like, the lifestyle. I was like, the lifestyle? Hmm. What are you talking about? I'm like, are you watching too much Selling Sunset? And I think that was a big part of it. Like, I think in general, she was of the personality type that is really into excitement and visceral like sensation. So something like watching like social media or looking at social media and watching these shows that really glamorize
um, like professions would have a strong effect on her, even though I had to break it to her that that's, come on, that's not really the reality like, um, but it still doesn't mean that you can't find an exciting life. You just got to go towards that versus like, you know, chasing these illusions, right?
Absolutely. And it's so funny you say that, Eric. I am a real estate agent. And I'm sitting here like, what? You know, like full time? That's what I am. I, I wanted to go like this. Tell me more.
Selling Sunset, I was like, she had to be watching that. She had to be watching something that glamorized the the field. So if she is watching right now, slow down, take a look, read a little bit more, you know, it's it's it's not the sunset or or the sunrise, you know, it's literally um, something you definitely have to work at. And and as I speak to most individuals on here as entrepreneurs and people such as yourself that are life coaches and authors, you know, it's it's this big thing that I I realize that influences not only us as adults,
but children and and this idea of what life could be like. If I must mention, if I can mention, my ten year old had saw me reading a book and it says, the millionaire real estate agent. And she goes, Mom, are you a millionaire? And I was like, I'm gonna be. She, Eric, she ran across the house and she's yelling, Mom's a millionaire. Mom's gonna be a millionaire. And so with that being said, I've realized how how our personalities and how the the world can influence what we do and who we are on the inside. So as you have started with such younger children,
and have you had some students all the way through college? And if so, what what changes did you notice?
You know, it really depends on their personality. I tend to, I would admit that I probably work best with certain personality types. And I don't want to get into all the specifics, but the personality types that are a little more soul searching. So obviously, something that what I'm bringing is really appealing to them, but they don't necessarily know it's appealing until they hear it. And then they're like, oh, okay, it's like, this is great, you know. So I think I've seen those students tend to work with me for a long period of time. And there's nothing more satisfying than, you know, like, let's say Ten years after you stopped working with someone and they text you and you're like, hey, I just wanna say hi and let you know that what you know, all that personality typing. Stuff really meant to me because I really discovered myself.
Um, I have a student who, what they told me, first thing they told me was, uh, for that genie question, right, was they're like, I wanna be governor of North Carolina. And I'm like, that's great, cuz actually I know where that's going. Now, you might not necessarily get there, but I definitely know it means that you're on the path. You know what your direction is and whether you become governor of North Carolina or something else within politics, like I get that. And I've worked with this student throughout through college and now he's going to Georgetown. And I think that's, he's on the right path because he truly knows what he wants. And I think that's the most important thing.
Absolutely. That's, that's amazing to hear. And I, and I love how you help them figure it out, right? And, and the way that, that I'm, I'm getting this, that your, your personality is protruding through the camera, right? I feel a soulfulness in you. So it's like you're totally easygoing and flow. And with that allows a lot of people that may meet with you to be able to just calmly figure out their personality, you know what I mean? Rather than this, this, I have to do it and I have to figure it out now. Or I may not be what I wanna be on, you know, in the future or even now. Um, how did you get started?
You know, it's funny, like I was, I, I had mentioned my academic background was in screenwriting and I studied that at UCLA. But before then, I was that same awkward student that I tend to work with all the time. Or I would say awkward, I was probably moody. Um, I guess that might be the same thing. Um, and so, you know, I felt a little different. My personality is one of the personality types that's not that common. I mean, but there's a lot. There's like maybe eight personality types that are, that are like in the six, in sixteen percent of the population, which is kinda small. Um, so you know, you grow up, you're feeling that way and you're like, oh, God, like, why are my values different than other people's values? Maybe I'm doing something wrong. And. Being that way, I read up a lot on different personality typing systems and methodologies like MBTI.
And well, I guess that's Myers-Briggs and the Enneagram. And I studied those. And eventually I went to college for something totally different. But coming out of that, I realized, oh, you know, this is really fun to learn about these things. And I started my own education company at that point. And that's when I really started using it and developing my personality typing methodology more. Um, we saw about a thousand students, a thousand students a year. So I would teach my teachers to use it in that realm. And that's kind of where this all developed from.
That's, that's awesome. And, and when you work with individuals, is writing one of the things that you have them do?
Yes, um, I generally, that's what I tend to get hired for at the beginning. Um, and then I lean into the life coaching quite a bit because I think life coaching is one of those things that, you know, I think as we're older, we realize, oh, this is an important aspect, just like therapy, right? Everybody should go to therapy. I mean, who doesn't like, it's always helpful. But I think at a younger age, especially with parents, they're not necessarily going to say, oh, this is, I'd rather have my kid learn how to do algebra or whatever versus something like this. When I think it's important because that's kind of how you get kids on the right path. You know, like intra and interpersonal intelligence are so important. And then I think they're kind of not developed at an early age because we don't learn that in school.
Absolutely. So I'm gonna ask, what did you get your degree in?
Oh, you know, I was an English and screenwriting major. So English, yeah, English, you're reading a lot. I mean, that's essentially what, you know, I, I always tell kids, like when they do all the character personality stuff, um, when they're in school and when they read books, I'm like, you know, it's not about knowing what happens to the book. Because at the end of your life, no one's going to come up to you and say, okay, I'm going to test you on all the books you read. And do you remember what happened in chapter 12 of Moby Dick? Like, no one's gonna care about that stuff. But I think what's important is you're meeting these fictional characters. And these fictional characters are just like real people. They're really deep. They have feelings, why do they feel a certain way? And I think it's, learning about them is helping us learn about ourselves ideally.
Um, but I think a lot of that tends to get lost in school where, you know, kids are just focused on remembering what happens in the book. But it's like, no, understand the people because that'll help you understand yourself and the people around you.
Oh, that's, that's never thought of it like that. Um, and as I sit here and think about kids doing book reports, right? I wonder, is that really the focus is the characters rather than the outcome of the book? Interesting. Never thought about that at all. Um. What's your why?
Why? Oh, that's, you know, I, I actually don't necessarily think of why I do things as much as, as long as it's making me feel good. And I know that's such a simplistic uh, mode of thought, but I generally think that if something is making you feel good while you do it and time goes quickly while you're doing it, then I think you got your why already.
Okay. And you know, that's that, um, that statement that's often said to do something that doesn't make you feel like you're at work or do something that makes you happy and, and expand on that. So I, I totally get that. And a lot of people do have this big why. And so I love the simplicity of of that because it definitely says, you know, you don't have to necessarily have this big, big why. Um, and regarding your vision and your uh, methodology of personalities, how many personality types are there?
So there are, yeah, there are sixteen types. And I think a lot of people will be familiar with that because I think Myers-Briggs has, not that I think, I know, Myers-Briggs has sixteen types. And they are similar to mine, but I think I've evolved it um, through my, you know, I would say experimentation, but my practical research and in observation with my uh, education company. And um, mine focuses more on motivations and desires. So, so this is gonna get kinda wonky, but there are, I, I find there are four different personality packs. And each one of those has a core desire. And then within those personality packs are four animal personalities. So four times four is sixteen. So
you're, if you're within a pack, you're gonna share a lot more in common with the animal types within that pack versus the animal types like in this pack. Right, and I think that's the thing. It's like, we do, we are similar to people, but we're also going to be different in our own way. And I think if you think of like, one of the packs, their main desire is safety and security. And then another pack, their main desire is like visceral excitement. And I think those two things are very like in conflict, right? So you can imagine the conflict that's gonna happen with someone who wants to always feel somewhat comfortable and safe, and someone who's like, no, I want like things thrown at me because it's exciting, you know? And so animal types within those packs are gonna relate to each other better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I I get that totally. Um, with with learning the personality, is there a space? Or an area in which, yes, you might be that personality, but you might, there's a certain time or a certain point? In your life that you may shift to a different personality?
You know, I don't believe in shifting or changing. I do think we grow into better versions of who we are or worse versions. Um, I I'm always of the like, because I worry because, so the gatherer types, that's one of the personality packs. They love safety and security and they make about half the population. So they're the type of person who tells, let's say, the one who likes visceral excitement. Let's say, um, there you have a kid who's, I call them hunters, right? So hunters love like grabbing things and doing things within their surroundings. Um, they love things thrown at them that are different, so they can like react to it. Um, if you have a kid like that, a gatherer kid, um, parent would probably say like, hey, you know what? You're like that, but just wait till you get old, older. You're gonna wanna settle down and you're gonna wanna have kids and da, da, da, da, da.
And it's like, well, no, that they only think that because you're a gatherer. So that's what your natural desire is for comfort, safety, security, building a family, building a home. But a hunter, they like Hemingway is a hunter, they will just travel the whole world like their whole life and have all these different experiences. And they might have kids, they might not, they might settle down, they might not, but whatever they're gonna do, they're gonna do it not because they wanna feel safe. They're gonna do it because they wanna like feel like the world is like spinning them around, you know? And I'm not saying either one of those is bad or good. I think it's just funny to see the influence out, the outside influence from how uh, different personalities can just assume that that's something that we all want, when it's not.
And you know what's crazy is as I'm sitting here thinking about number one of being a business owner. And then on the other side of that is being a parent. You just said something that we all have this thought process of like, oh, you'll settle down, you'll, you know. We don't ever, and and like you said, it's not wrong, but in my head, I'm like, I know I'm right, right? Because I'm an adult and I know that I'm right. But as you just stated, never thinking that that's something that because they're they're different, you know what I mean? And and and they're okay with being the hunter, right? And I'm okay with being safe and secure. And I guess that's another thing, it's not only social media that presses upon,
you know, a a child or a person's personality or finding out who they are. It's also your parents, it's also in your home. So I I that just sounds challenging to me.
Yeah, you know, I had a cousin, and I've been telling this story quite a bit. I was talking to my cousin's kid over New Year's and my cousin's kid is a hunter. And he has just graduated pharmacy school. And my cousins are both them or the husband and wife are gatherers. And um, they kind of, I won't say forced him, but he very strongly encouraged him to go to pharmacy school. You know, because pharmacy is a very, I won't say it's a safe profession, that sounds like, but it is, it's like a very steady. Uh, you know, you're gonna get your shift, whatever it is, I know the, when you first start, the shifts aren't that great. But like, eventually people love to get that nine to five or ten to six shift. And so I asked my cousin's kid, who's the hunter. He, I'm like, okay, now that you graduated, what do you want to do? And he's like, I don't know, as long as it's a job where I don't have to be in the same place all day long.
I'm like, I hate to break it to you, but that is exactly what a pharmacist is gonna do. Um, so I said, hey, maybe you should try to get into pharmaceutical sales. Because that's something where you can go travel, you can use your experience from pharmacy school. You can, you're gonna have to hustle, but that's okay, hu- hunters do not mind hustling. You know, and you can kind of do the sales aspect. And he's like, oh, that sounds fun. He's like, but I don't want to waste the years of um, that I learned at pharmacy school. And I was like, well, yeah, but do you want to waste your life? You only get one of those, and you don't want to do something you don't want to do, right? And I think, but his parents had a hard time seeing that because they're gatherers, right? They're like, wait, no, not the business side. We want him to do this, the route that's, we know he's going to make money, right? Or be safe and secure. I'm like, you know, well, number one, you can make a lot of money going to the C-suite on the opposite side,
right? It's just a different experience. You might have to have years where they're pretty lean, or you might have to have years where you're really stressed out because you're trying to make sales and you're kind of like traveling all over. But funny thing is hunters don't mind that. They're not stressed out about that stuff. They enjoy it. For them, they're like, wow, this is really fun. Am I going to do well? I don't know. But if I do do well, I'm going to get rewarded. And that is kind of fun for them.
Thank you for being here today. I'm really happy that you tuned in to Vision Pros Live. I'm looking forward to seeing your reactions as these episodes continue to move forward. This is going to get more and more fun. We'll have more and more engagement as well. We'll invite people to participate in the show. And thank you for giving us your time and attention. Have an excellent time building out your vision and becoming a vision pro yourself.
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